From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 01:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11899; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:40:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:40:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:40:09 -0800 Subject: Re: children of the Lord Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4F9A57DA-453B-11D6-A287-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are we forgetting that Jesus died and came back to life? That made him a zombie, so along with the hammond, I wonder why theremins and basic horror movie music are not used at this time of zombie children of god, ex slaves eating crackers and bunnies. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 08:13 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > I have been admiring Gospel and related music for 25 years. It has some > incredibly power that drives tears into my eyes immediately: "The color > purple", Aretha, Mrs Jackson, S. Wonder, Sweet Honey on the Rocks,,, > Today I finally went to Church to see where it comes from. And I was > deeeply moved by the sounds I heard, even hours after I left. I admire > those people and their way to praise! > Not only was I the only white skinned, not dressed up, but for some sad > reason, they painted Jesus oversized on the front wall looking just > like me, even simpler dressed ;-) > They also got a problem because I put a CD of mine into the basket > instead of $. > > The most holy was the real Hammond Organ with two Leslies (you may find > that trivial, but in Europe they only have pipe organs and in Brasil > only Asian plastic, so for me the Hammond was a rock and jazz > instrument). I always loved (and modified) Hammonds and today, at the > first chords of the lady, I understood how all that power was attached > to the sound! Sure it was an inspired work of Mr Hammond who almost > broke his fathers enterprise to give something better than clockworks > to the world, but it may be the use of the instrument that really forms > its spirit... > > While sitting there, just one thought looped in my mind: > I only believe in sound! > Words are twisted, especially after being brought through generations > and translations. Some professional musicians may learn to lie at work > just like lawyers must, but the churches little black drummer was only > about 8 years old and he certainly lies to his mother as we all did, > but he played relaxed and naturally - how could he lie? > > When they started to yell at me that the only truth was in the bible, I > left. > But I had loved to praise Jesus for teaching us to be sincere up to > whatever hard end and to find faith and valorize our inner voice and > destiny. > The result of it lives on after we are gone, thats probably as close as > we can get to resurrection... > > So trash these words and thank for your talent to put out your sound > and listen to it over and over and over ! > or to mine if you want :-) > > http://www.mp3.com/MatthiasBira > http://matthiasgrob.iuma.com > http://Matthias.Grob.org > > There is actually a collection of all my work at: > http://matthias.grob.org/sound/ > User: listener > Password: sunpeace > This link is not meant to spread, since the servers capacity is > limited... > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 01:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12536; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:51:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-681968778 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-681968778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jonathan is correct. If you could prove your gear was stolen, the local=20= authorities have to help you get it back. Selling stolen goods is=20 illegal in every state of the union, including Pennsylvania. I had a=20 friend that had a MIDI guitar taken away from him from the police, as he=20= bought it from a woman who had stolen it from a man she cleaned house=20 for. He had it for a few years, then decided to sell it. When he put=20= the add in the paper, he got a little call from the local police. Since=20= the original owner had been paid off from his insurance, it now belonged=20= to the insurance company, who sold it to the highest bidder (a local=20 music shop) I ended up actually buying it from that shop. The only guy=20= who was screwed was the guy who bought the hot guitar, and he was given=20= first chance of purchasing it, but didn't want it. I felt bad, but=20 someone was going to get it. It more or less sucked anyway. Mark On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 04:33 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > =A0 > What a horrible story! I'm gald it turned out ok though. > =A0 > I'm glad you got your toys back; just having to deal with people as=20 > evil as that=A0would ruin my week. I had a room mate in college that=20= > bought a stolen computer once. The relationship didn't last long :/ > =A0 > I think you did what any decent person would do in the situation, but=20= > next time you might want to sue the pawn shop instead of settling. The=20= > only way to=A0discourage practices like=A0this from happening is to = make=20 > the process of fencing stolen gear as painful as possible. Even if = they=20 > get a slap on the wrist, it's not a process they will be interested in=20= > making a habit of. > =A0 > >& amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, = but=20 > way outside anything > >ethical in how they dealt with me. > =A0 > Really? Shit. That's not what I've heard but the laws are different in=20= > different parts of the country. Where did you hear that 'Fencing' was=20= > legal? > =A0 > You might have to go out of your way to do so, but remember you surely=20= > weren't the only person who got screwed. You have to take every chance=20= > you get in life to fight wrongs of this sort, since people get away=20 > with bad things like this more often than not - it sounds like it was=20= > part of that particular store's business model. (Did they show you a=20= > receipt for $300?) Getting a court date set up in small claims is not=20= > quit as hard as it seems before you begin. > =A0 > Good luck, and don't leave you gear lying around again. > =A0 > Jonathan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 3:47 PM > Subject: OT: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned > > Here is a story for ya which might tellya somethin about pawn shops > > Last summer I bought A beautiful Black-Ovation Celebrity w/ = deliciously=20 > low action, in mint condition, for & $75 US-Dollars; i'm not an = ovation=20 > fan but became one at that price and fell in love with that acosutic=20= > and used it ofen fro finger picked passages or coffee house jazz folk=20= > gigs with a more traditional singer songwriter type band i sometimes=20= > play with for fun. > > Also, Last summer in say July, I bought a Fender Ultimate Chorus Amp=20= > for $150USD from the very same Pawn shop where i had gotten a great=20 > deal on the ovation > > & how could I have ever passed up this deal on the Ultimate Chorus as=20= > the amp literally looked and even smelled brand new > > So, I bought the Fender Amp & al l was very happy with me. > > Now....Let's Cut to November, last year, just Before thanksgiving. > > I'm in surburban=A0 Philadelphia - The idyllic Bucks County - PA. > > & I was stooopid enough to leave 2 archtop guitars Epiphone Emporor = Joe=20 > Pass Model & My Beloved Carlo Robelli JB 17 Deep Dish Balck Jazz Bomb=20= > in addition to my floor unit including a GR-30, Line 6/DL4, Boss GT-3=20= > in addition to a Boss Sp202 and Zoom 234 Drum Machine left carelessly=20= > in the back section of my Isuzu Trooper while i went into a radio = shack=20 > to buy a battery for my Cam-Corder. > > Again...very stooopid of me twas this act. > > And justly, according to the law of stooopidty and the Karma of a Fool=20= > who had exhausted his Foolish excemption from harm, I came out of = radio=20 > shack, got in my car quite happy that i had finnally gotten a spare=20 > camcorder battery and drove off to go to the local McDonald's for a=20 > lite lunch. > > While driving on my way to the local Mc'Donals, I realized that it was=20= > awfully drafty in my car as i usually even in cold weather keep my=20 > windows cracked, but this time in particular i was feeeling really=20 > drafty so i went to roll up the windows the automatic window buttons. > > But this draft i was feelin wasnt goin away and i noticed i could hear=20= > the sound of traffic more prominently than ever b4 & then whammo: it=20= > really hit me....Holy S**T! > > As ya can imagine My left-driver -back windows were smashed out and of=20= > course all my gear was missing. > > I just lost it - then i got calm=A0 - and then i pulled over - and = then=20 > lost it all over again. > > I hurriedly went back to where I had parked my car in the shopping=20 > center i was at saw the glass everywhere, and then got on my mobile=20 > phone and called the cops who showed quickly & took an incident report=20= > and then left. > > I was literally going nuts and in a severe state of both dire sadness=20= > and desperation and pain over losing stuff that i couldnt even begin = to=20 > replace as that i never backed anything data up via sys-ex with custom=20= > patches on the gt-3 which are irreplaceable. > > and in terms of cash towards replacement gear, heck, i couldnt just go=20= > out of pocket and make replacements...this was a sever blow to me and=20= > AKASH and my progress. > > Compounding my sense of loss was My car insurance Co. for my car said=20= > that since it was personal property that it would be covered not under=20= > my car insurance but rather=A0 my gear would be covered under my=20 > homeowners insurance... > > which just made my depression meter dip to an all time low as i dont=20= > have a home that i own and i definitely dont have renter's insurance,=20= > so the loss is immediately compounding in its impact on my both = psyche,=20 > nerves & soul. > > then a light goes off in my head... > > Now, i dont know how or why or what triggered this thought but i said=20= > well=A0 this crime is still fresh and that based upon the locat6ion of=20= > where it happened and the likelyhood of the person wanting to get rid=20= > of the gear as soon as possible meant that there were possibly 2=20 > choices as to where the person would go - if - they in fact were=20 > looking to take the gear and sellit quick. > > One of the places which was on the way directly back to philadelphia=20= > and very close to where the theft occured was the very Pawn shop I had=20= > been to and shopped at and bought both the ovation and fender ultimate=20= > chorus > > So on this hunch alone, I head out to this pawn shop, just a fluke as = i=20 > walk in and see the very same guy who sold me all my equipment i had=20= > bought from them and i ask him jis he had by chance seen any new gear=20= > come by their attention like an epiphone emporor and carlo robelli and=20= > floor units like a gr-30 and he asks me to look directly behind wherei=20= > was standing...VOILA all of my gear is there behiond me and theres a = 12=20 > yr old p[laying=A0 Crazy train on my Epiphone . > > Now here is where it all gets real interesting. > > I was relieved and felt lke the luckiest person in the world as that=20= > out of all the possibilities which were where my gear could have been=20= > located, i found it on the 1st try. > > And it turned out the pawn shop bought all of my gear for $300=20 > USdollars cash they said which they paid to "an unidentified man" with=20= > no id or name they could actively recall or no physical features they=20= > could remember as the whole trasanction was so quick. > > And so i said to the pawn shop folks "geee ....that is a shame but = your=20 > business insurance will cover this and since its stolen gear, u can=20 > hand it over to me as i will be on my way with it". > > And then the pawn shop said not so fast. > > My temper began to flare as I sensed this matter wasnt as close to=20 > being resolved as i thought it would be at this point. > > They declared "this isnt your property", "its our property" that we=20 > bought in good faith and that if u want it back, just how much is it=20= > worth to you and that i should also consider them kind and pay a=20 > reduced fee on the gear - MY GEAR - which they were just about = finished=20 > figuring out what the markup price would be though for me being=A0 = loyal=20 > customer, they would give me a discount. > > I'm not a voilent person but at this point violence was what consumed=20= > my every thoiught and inner being as that i felt that it was the only=20= > appropriate response... > > but a another light immediately went off in my head saying u are not = in=20 > a position to compound your misery and that the evil doers are in the=20= > hotseeat and that they - the evil-doers of the pawn shop=20 > priprietorship - would love to have me hauled off in handcuffs and or=20= > to have my case weakened against them by me losing my calm and cool = and=20 > legitimacy to my own gear. > > So i picked up my mobile phone & dailed the police who promptly came = on=20 > the scene and decided to confiscate the gear. > > And after much back and forth over the course of a week i made a deal=20= > with the pawn shop to pay $150USD which was 1/2 the amount of what = they=20 > paid as i couldnt bear the separation any longer. > > But the whole ordeal taught me a number of intense lessons and brought=20= > insight into how these places of pawn work and what they trade upon = and=20 > how low they will stoop to make a buck and replenish their = inventories. > > & amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but=20= > way outside anything ethical in how they dealt with me. > > and I came to find out that pawn shops apparently have powerful enuff=20= > lobbies in every state which are set up to ensure that essentially = they=20 > are gonna have it on the books in terms of the law being on their side=20= > where the victim of a crime with porperty at a pawn shiop is not=20 > immediately set straight or restored back to where they were before as=20= > that apparently this type of occurence happens with pawn shops = everyday=20 > in every town in America. > > But the law essentially says these pawn shops once they buy something=20= > it is theirs and that the only recourse a vctim of crime has is to sue=20= > them in court. > > i wasnt going to wait to do that even though i knew and the pawn shop=20= > knew I would win. > > they just bled me for $$$ which they probably wrote off as losses = based=20 > upon the market value of the gear as opposed to what they actually = paid=20 > for it. > > But i never leave any of my gear unattended anymore ( i know ,=A0 i = was=20 > stooopid ) and i never will buy anything from a Pawn Shop ever again. > > I still have the ovation and fender amp i bought from the Pawn Shop=20 > last year... > > i just dont know if getting rid of the gear just compounds whatever=20 > karma came with the stuff or not. > > but i assume & accept the karma for the gear i bought at that [awn = shop=20 > as i still look for great deals these days that are"steals", but not=20= > stolen and never again will i ever buy something from a pawn shop. > > Im also the type where if i see a 100 dollar bill which isnt mine=20 > sitting there in the middle of the street, i wont pick it up or any=20 > money at that matter and claim it as mine becasue i just dont know the=20= > circumstances of why it ened up there and who it came from. > > I now only buy gear either online from major chains or local &=20 > reputable music stores which is not necessarily a gurantee that im=20 > buying legitimate merchandise, but i sorta think the odds are a lot=20 > lower at a music store or vendor with a reputation within the local=20 > community that i will get gear that is stolen. > > but i also wonder whose gear i really have now and what pain the = person=20 > has had where if in fact the gear I now have were stolen. > > i will never know the truth about the guitar and amp i bought and i=20 > cant think of any way to deal with the karma behind this stuff other=20= > than hold on to it ( God that sounds self serving ). > > But i also can never forget the very real pain i went thru in my own=20= > loss & > i kinda chalk it all up to debt paid- if there were one i needed to = pay. > > & i do consider myself fortunate. but that's my take on pawn shops . > > others here may pawn shops differently and have had vastly different=20= > and more perhaps positive experiences but do beware as u just might=20 > find your own personal property on the shelves of these places and u=20= > may have to buy back your very own property. > > Warm Regards, > John Price/AKASH > BUY THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" > www.mp3.com/akashmusic & www.akashmusic.com > 215.592.9963 business phone > 215.485.6128 mobile > > > > --Apple-Mail-3-681968778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jonathan is correct. If you could prove your gear was stolen, the local authorities have to help you get it back. Selling stolen goods is illegal in every state of the union, including Pennsylvania. I had a friend that had a MIDI guitar taken away from him from the police, as he bought it from a woman who had stolen it from a man she cleaned house for. He had it for a few years, then decided to sell it. When he put the add in the paper, he got a little call from the local police. Since the original owner had been paid off from his insurance, it now belonged to the insurance company, who sold it to the highest bidder (a local music shop) I ended up actually buying it from that shop. The only guy who was screwed was the guy who bought the hot guitar, and he was given first chance of purchasing it, but didn't want it. I felt bad, but someone was going to get it. It more or less sucked anyway. Mark On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 04:33 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: =A0 ArialWhat a horrible story! I'm gald it turned out ok though. =A0 ArialI'm glad you got your toys back; just having to deal with people as evil as that=A0would ruin my week. I had a room mate in college that bought a stolen computer once. The relationship didn't last long :/ =A0 ArialI think you did what any decent person would do in the situation, but next time you might want to sue the pawn shop instead of settling. The only way to=A0discourage practices like=A0this from happening is to make the process of fencing stolen gear as painful as possible. Even if they get a slap on the wrist, it's not a process they will be interested in making a habit = of. =A0 4040,0000,4040>& amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but way outside = anything 4040,0000,4040>ethical in how they dealt with me. =A0 ArialReally? Shit. That's not what I've heard but the laws are different in different parts of the country. Where did you hear that 'Fencing' was = legal? =A0 ArialYou might have to go out of your way to do so, but remember you surely weren't the only person who got screwed. You have to take every chance you get in life to fight wrongs of this sort, since people get away with bad things like this more often than not - it sounds like it was part of that particular store's business model. (Did they show you a receipt for $300?) Getting a court date set up in small claims is not quit as hard as it seems before you begin. =A0 ArialGood luck, and don't leave you gear lying around again. =A0 ArialJonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: = 1999,1999,FFFFAKASHMUSIC@aol.com<= /underline> To: = 1999,1999,FFFFLoopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: OT: Re: LONG STORY pawn shops + My Lesson learned Times New = Roman4040,0000,4040Here is a story for ya which might tellya somethin about pawn shops Last summer I bought A beautiful Black-Ovation Celebrity w/ deliciously low action, in mint condition, for & $75 US-Dollars; i'm not an ovation fan but became one at that price and fell in love with that acosutic and used it ofen fro finger picked passages or coffee house jazz folk gigs with a more traditional singer songwriter type band i sometimes play with for fun. Also, Last summer in say July, I bought a Fender Ultimate Chorus Amp for $150USD from the very same Pawn shop where i had gotten a great deal on the ovation & how could I have ever passed up this deal on the Ultimate Chorus as the amp literally looked and even smelled brand new So, I bought the Fender Amp & al l was very happy with me. Now....Let's Cut to November, last year, just Before thanksgiving. I'm in surburban=A0 Philadelphia - The idyllic Bucks County - PA. & I was stooopid enough to leave 2 archtop guitars Epiphone Emporor Joe Pass Model & My Beloved Carlo Robelli JB 17 Deep Dish Balck Jazz Bomb in addition to my floor unit including a GR-30, Line 6/DL4, Boss GT-3 in addition to a Boss Sp202 and Zoom 234 Drum Machine left carelessly in the back section of my Isuzu Trooper while i went into a radio shack to buy a battery for my Cam-Corder. Again...very stooopid of me twas this act. And justly, according to the law of stooopidty and the Karma of a Fool who had exhausted his Foolish excemption from harm, I came out of radio shack, got in my car quite happy that i had finnally gotten a spare camcorder battery and drove off to go to the local McDonald's for a lite lunch. While driving on my way to the local Mc'Donals, I realized that it was awfully drafty in my car as i usually even in cold weather keep my windows cracked, but this time in particular i was feeeling really drafty so i went to roll up the windows the automatic window buttons. But this draft i was feelin wasnt goin away and i noticed i could hear the sound of traffic more prominently than ever b4 & then whammo: it really hit me....Holy S**T! As ya can imagine My left-driver -back windows were smashed out and of course all my gear was missing. I just lost it - then i got calm=A0 - and then i pulled over - and then lost it all over again. I hurriedly went back to where I had parked my car in the shopping center i was at saw the glass everywhere, and then got on my mobile phone and called the cops who showed quickly & took an incident report and then left. I was literally going nuts and in a severe state of both dire sadness and desperation and pain over losing stuff that i couldnt even begin to replace as that i never backed anything data up via sys-ex with custom patches on the gt-3 which are irreplaceable. and in terms of cash towards replacement gear, heck, i couldnt just go out of pocket and make replacements...this was a sever blow to me and AKASH and my progress. Compounding my sense of loss was My car insurance Co. for my car said that since it was personal property that it would be covered not under my car insurance but rather=A0 my gear would be covered under my homeowners insurance... which just made my depression meter dip to an all time low as i dont have a home that i own and i definitely dont have renter's insurance, so the loss is immediately compounding in its impact on my both psyche, nerves & soul. then a light goes off in my head... Now, i dont know how or why or what triggered this thought but i said well=A0 this crime is still fresh and that based upon the locat6ion of where it happened and the likelyhood of the person wanting to get rid of the gear as soon as possible meant that there were possibly 2 choices as to where the person would go - if - they in fact were looking to take the gear and sellit quick. One of the places which was on the way directly back to philadelphia and very close to where the theft occured was the very Pawn shop I had been to and shopped at and bought both the ovation and fender ultimate chorus So on this hunch alone, I head out to this pawn shop, just a fluke as i walk in and see the very same guy who sold me all my equipment i had bought from them and i ask him jis he had by chance seen any new gear come by their attention like an epiphone emporor and carlo robelli and floor units like a gr-30 and he asks me to look directly behind wherei was standing...VOILA all of my gear is there behiond me and theres a 12 yr old p[laying=A0 Crazy train on my Epiphone . Now here is where it all gets real interesting. I was relieved and felt lke the luckiest person in the world as that out of all the possibilities which were where my gear could have been located, i found it on the 1st try. And it turned out the pawn shop bought all of my gear for $300 USdollars cash they said which they paid to "an unidentified man" with no id or name they could actively recall or no physical features they could remember as the whole trasanction was so quick. And so i said to the pawn shop folks "geee ....that is a shame but your business insurance will cover this and since its stolen gear, u can hand it over to me as i will be on my way with it". And then the pawn shop said not so fast. My temper began to flare as I sensed this matter wasnt as close to being resolved as i thought it would be at this point. They declared "this isnt your property", "its our property" that we bought in good faith and that if u want it back, just how much is it worth to you and that i should also consider them kind and pay a reduced fee on the gear - MY GEAR - which they were just about finished figuring out what the markup price would be though for me being=A0 loyal customer, they would give me a discount. I'm not a voilent person but at this point violence was what consumed my every thoiught and inner being as that i felt that it was the only appropriate response... but a another light immediately went off in my head saying u are not in a position to compound your misery and that the evil doers are in the hotseeat and that they - the evil-doers of the pawn shop priprietorship - would love to have me hauled off in handcuffs and or to have my case weakened against them by me losing my calm and cool and legitimacy to my own gear. So i picked up my mobile phone & dailed the police who promptly came on the scene and decided to confiscate the gear. And after much back and forth over the course of a week i made a deal with the pawn shop to pay $150USD which was 1/2 the amount of what they paid as i couldnt bear the separation any longer. But the whole ordeal taught me a number of intense lessons and brought insight into how these places of pawn work and what they trade upon and how low they will stoop to make a buck and replenish their inventories. & amazingly, the Pawn shops were in fact within the bounds of law, but way outside anything ethical in how they dealt with me. and I came to find out that pawn shops apparently have powerful enuff lobbies in every state which are set up to ensure that essentially they are gonna have it on the books in terms of the law being on their side where the victim of a crime with porperty at a pawn shiop is not immediately set straight or restored back to where they were before as that apparently this type of occurence happens with pawn shops everyday in every town in America. But the law essentially says these pawn shops once they buy something it is theirs and that the only recourse a vctim of crime has is to sue them in court. i wasnt going to wait to do that even though i knew and the pawn shop knew I would win. they just bled me for $$$ which they probably wrote off as losses based upon the market value of the gear as opposed to what they actually paid for it. But i never leave any of my gear unattended anymore ( i know ,=A0 i was stooopid ) and i never will buy anything from a Pawn Shop ever again. I still have the ovation and fender amp i bought from the Pawn Shop last year... i just dont know if getting rid of the gear just compounds whatever karma came with the stuff or not. but i assume & accept the karma for the gear i bought at that [awn shop as i still look for great deals these days that are"steals", but not stolen and never again will i ever buy something from a pawn shop. Im also the type where if i see a 100 dollar bill which isnt mine sitting there in the middle of the street, i wont pick it up or any money at that matter and claim it as mine becasue i just dont know the circumstances of why it ened up there and who it came from. I now only buy gear either online from major chains or local & reputable music stores which is not necessarily a gurantee that im buying legitimate merchandise, but i sorta think the odds are a lot lower at a music store or vendor with a reputation within the local community that i will get gear that is stolen. but i also wonder whose gear i really have now and what pain the person has had where if in fact the gear I now have were stolen. i will never know the truth about the guitar and amp i bought and i cant think of any way to deal with the karma behind this stuff other than hold on to it ( God that sounds self serving ). But i also can never forget the very real pain i went thru in my own loss & i kinda chalk it all up to debt paid- if there were one i needed to pay. & i do consider myself fortunate. but that's my take on pawn shops . others here may pawn shops differently and have had vastly different and more perhaps positive experiences but do beware as u just might find your own personal property on the shelves of these places and u may have to buy back your very own property. Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH BUY THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" www.mp3.com/akashmusic & www.akashmusic.com 215.592.9963 business phone 215.485.6128 mobile = --Apple-Mail-3-681968778-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 01:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12850; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:52:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:52:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <141.c1bac34.29d95d70@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:51:28 EST Subject: Re: children of the Lord To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_141.c1bac34.29d95d70_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_141.c1bac34.29d95d70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, You suck life. -Justin Sable Fobes --part1_141.c1bac34.29d95d70_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark,

You suck life.

-Justin Sable Fobes --part1_141.c1bac34.29d95d70_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 02:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13486; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:00:54 -0800 Subject: Re: children of the Lord Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-682548507 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <141.c1bac34.29d95d70@aol.com> Message-Id: <357AC30A-453E-11D6-A287-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-682548507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm not totally sure what that means, but I'll take it as a complement even though I aim to bite life gently, then give it a little lick to show I didn't mean it in a harmful way. Mark On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 10:51 PM, Briscoe23@aol.com wrote: > Mark, > > You suck life. > > -Justin Sable Fobes > --Apple-Mail-4-682548507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I'm not totally sure what that means, but I'll take it as a complement even though I aim to bite life gently, then give it a little lick to show I didn't mean it in a harmful way. Mark On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 10:51 PM, Briscoe23@aol.com wrote: ArialMark, You suck life. -Justin Sable Fobes --Apple-Mail-4-682548507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 02:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13877; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: <118.f2b78ae.29d961b3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:09:39 EST Subject: Re: children of the Lord To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_118.f2b78ae.29d961b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_118.f2b78ae.29d961b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, At least you're funny. -Justin Sable Fobes --part1_118.f2b78ae.29d961b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark,

At least you're funny. 

-Justin Sable Fobes --part1_118.f2b78ae.29d961b3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 06:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22026; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 06:43:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 06:43:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:43:24 +0100 Subject: re: Children Of The lord? From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Are we forgetting that Jesus died and came back to life? That made him a zombie, so along with the hammond, I wonder why theremins and basic horror movie music are not used at this time of zombie children of god, ex slaves eating crackers and bunnies.<<< ...now that's a new one, reanimation and resurrection being the same thing??? shurely shum mishtake.. :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 08:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25398; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:23:16 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: children of the Lord To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CA85F44.CCF2C659@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4F9A57DA-453B-11D6-A287-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am not a religious guy but know enough not to make fun of someone's deeply held beliefs, if for no other reason than common courtesy. Perhaps you are attempting to be funny rather than outrageous in which case I apologize for not getting the joke. Mike Killian Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Are we forgetting that Jesus died and came back to life? That made him > a zombie, so along with the hammond, I wonder why theremins and basic > horror movie music are not used at this time of zombie children of god, > ex slaves eating crackers and bunnies. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 08:13 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > > I have been admiring Gospel and related music for 25 years. It has some > > incredibly power that drives tears into my eyes immediately: "The color > > purple", Aretha, Mrs Jackson, S. Wonder, Sweet Honey on the Rocks,,, > > Today I finally went to Church to see where it comes from. And I was > > deeeply moved by the sounds I heard, even hours after I left. I admire > > those people and their way to praise! > > Not only was I the only white skinned, not dressed up, but for some sad > > reason, they painted Jesus oversized on the front wall looking just > > like me, even simpler dressed ;-) > > They also got a problem because I put a CD of mine into the basket > > instead of $. > > > > The most holy was the real Hammond Organ with two Leslies (you may find > > that trivial, but in Europe they only have pipe organs and in Brasil > > only Asian plastic, so for me the Hammond was a rock and jazz > > instrument). I always loved (and modified) Hammonds and today, at the > > first chords of the lady, I understood how all that power was attached > > to the sound! Sure it was an inspired work of Mr Hammond who almost > > broke his fathers enterprise to give something better than clockworks > > to the world, but it may be the use of the instrument that really forms > > its spirit... > > > > While sitting there, just one thought looped in my mind: > > I only believe in sound! > > Words are twisted, especially after being brought through generations > > and translations. Some professional musicians may learn to lie at work > > just like lawyers must, but the churches little black drummer was only > > about 8 years old and he certainly lies to his mother as we all did, > > but he played relaxed and naturally - how could he lie? > > > > When they started to yell at me that the only truth was in the bible, I > > left. > > But I had loved to praise Jesus for teaching us to be sincere up to > > whatever hard end and to find faith and valorize our inner voice and > > destiny. > > The result of it lives on after we are gone, thats probably as close as > > we can get to resurrection... > > > > So trash these words and thank for your talent to put out your sound > > and listen to it over and over and over ! > > or to mine if you want :-) > > > > http://www.mp3.com/MatthiasBira > > http://matthiasgrob.iuma.com > > http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > There is actually a collection of all my work at: > > http://matthias.grob.org/sound/ > > User: listener > > Password: sunpeace > > This link is not meant to spread, since the servers capacity is > > limited... > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 09:44:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28548; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c1d982$ebfd33a0$f84565d5@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: References: <008001c1d86f$11c24b80$630f5cd1@-> Subject: Rep. pitch control Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:30:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA28492 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the new Beringer FCB to control repeater. Partly couse I have this kinki idea of playing polyphonic lines with my feet. Anyways what happends is that when I program the FCB the way REP. manual says for ex. prm# 28, value 60 what should make -1(or -13) it does lower the pich to major 6. Besides I only managet to program six differnt pich shift the rest just get the pich one octave upp or down when it should get it to -3, 5 or what ever. What I'm missing? and how to read the rep. manual when it says 12? does it conut semitones, steps or some else? Elias Faingersh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 09:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28982; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:46:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017601c1d98d$39863f40$2469aacf@pavilion> From: "Phil and Mary Bush" To: References: <200203272228.RAA32069@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020328110526.02affd60@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:55:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7ZTaQB.A.eDH.FLHq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubsribe Phil and Mary Bush (972) 382-2178 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: re: Cable my Ass > you guys are cracking me up. > > the funniest ones are those who think they know what they are talking about > and try to talk authoritatively about it. Such great imaginations! It is > always such fun to listen in on people discussing your field of expertise. > > it happens the job i do in real life is called "signal integrity > engineering" where I actually get paid reasonably well to know things about > how to get electrical signals from point A to point B. In my case the > frequencies are much higher than audio, but the laws of physics are the > same. So I actually do know if cables can have direction or not, and why. > > But I'm not going to tell you. If I did I would miss out on some of these > really funny theories! > > keep it coming, > kim > > > At 02:49 PM 3/26/2002, you wrote: > > >Whew!!!!! I thought this was going to be some juicy S & M porn > >spam.......................but................NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 11:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32331; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Rep. pitch control Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:11:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003a01c1d982$ebfd33a0$f84565d5@elias> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elias, When the manual says +12/-12, you should regard the numbers in reference to an index value of 64 (=no pitching). Please check that you have programmed the FCB to send only the midi command you want; it is possible to have it sending out ten simultaneous midi commands on each foot press. The manual is not easy to understand and if you (like I was) are reading the Swedish transcription, bear in mind that it is simply not accurate on some parts. Cool idea to play "kinki feet" on the 'peater ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Elias Faingersh [mailto:elias@mbox306.swipnet.se] > Skickat: den 1 april 2002 15:30 > Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Ämne: Rep. pitch control > > > I use the new Beringer FCB to control repeater. > Partly couse I have this kinki idea of playing polyphonic lines > with my feet. > Anyways what happends is that when I program the FCB the way > REP. manual says > for ex. prm# 28, value 60 what should make -1(or -13) it does > lower the pich to major 6. > Besides I only managet to program six differnt pich shift the > rest just get the pich one octave upp or down > when it should get it to -3, 5 or what ever. > What I'm missing? > and how to read the rep. manual when it says 12? does it conut > semitones, steps or some else? > > Elias Faingersh > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 12:06:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02171; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:04:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:04:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Cable my Ass Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:05:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c1d99f$7e5f0b30$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <017601c1d98d$39863f40$2469aacf@pavilion> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, perhaps you wouldn't mind telling me (private mail?) if cables for DC currents (the audio signals are in fact basically DC currents from an HF/RF point of view) have a direction, and why. I have in fact heard stories about cables which have a direction (these cables are for some obscure reason called "isolators"), but the physical effect in question responsible for this does not apply for DC or LF - in fact, the cables I've seen with this property couldn't even be used to carry a DC current. So, please, please, enlighten me - I swear I will not tell anyone from this list! Rainer Rainer Straschill Engineering Consultant HF semiconductor technology, HF simulations > you guys are cracking me up. > > the funniest ones are those who think they know what they > are talking > about > and try to talk authoritatively about it. Such great > imaginations! It is > always such fun to listen in on people discussing your > field of expertise. > > it happens the job i do in real life is called "signal integrity > engineering" where I actually get paid reasonably well to > know things > about > how to get electrical signals from point A to point B. In > my case the > frequencies are much higher than audio, but the laws of > physics are the > same. So I actually do know if cables can have direction or > not, and why. > > But I'm not going to tell you. If I did I would miss out on > some of these > really funny theories! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 12:32:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03362; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:30:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:30:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:30:03 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subharmonic Synth Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I distinctly remember seeing the then Frank Zappa band circa 1981 which had Scott Thunes on bass play a his Carvin 4-string through a DBX subharmonic synthesizer at different points during the concert. Imagine a synth bass on steroids (sort of like doubling electric and synth bass but playing the same lines) and you get the idea. Anyway, I was wondering just how massive a sound you'd get looping it. Huge monolithic glaciers of sound. I imagine any sound you'd put through it would then have an octave below line for your amusement. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 13:33:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07098; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:31:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:31:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA8A74A.2FF10DC3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:30:28 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: children of the Lord References: <4F9A57DA-453B-11D6-A287-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3CA85F44.CCF2C659@swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apology accepted. The joke is about language, and how cultures mix together in the most amazing ways. (I bet Jesus really didn't look like Matthias, not coming from that part of the world) >From Webster: Zombie...a : the supernatural power that according to voodoo belief may enter into and reanimate a dead body. where the bunnies come in, I still have not figured out, but they sure are cute. I like the candy too. Mark Sottilaro Mike Killian wrote: > I am not a religious guy but know enough not to make fun of someone's deeply > held beliefs, if for no other reason than common courtesy. Perhaps you are > attempting to be funny rather than outrageous in which case I apologize for > not getting the joke. > > Mike Killian > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Are we forgetting that Jesus died and came back to life? That made him > > a zombie, so along with the hammond, I wonder why theremins and basic > > horror movie music are not used at this time of zombie children of god, > > ex slaves eating crackers and bunnies. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 08:13 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > > I have been admiring Gospel and related music for 25 years. It has some > > > incredibly power that drives tears into my eyes immediately: "The color > > > purple", Aretha, Mrs Jackson, S. Wonder, Sweet Honey on the Rocks,,, > > > Today I finally went to Church to see where it comes from. And I was > > > deeeply moved by the sounds I heard, even hours after I left. I admire > > > those people and their way to praise! > > > Not only was I the only white skinned, not dressed up, but for some sad > > > reason, they painted Jesus oversized on the front wall looking just > > > like me, even simpler dressed ;-) > > > They also got a problem because I put a CD of mine into the basket > > > instead of $. > > > > > > The most holy was the real Hammond Organ with two Leslies (you may find > > > that trivial, but in Europe they only have pipe organs and in Brasil > > > only Asian plastic, so for me the Hammond was a rock and jazz > > > instrument). I always loved (and modified) Hammonds and today, at the > > > first chords of the lady, I understood how all that power was attached > > > to the sound! Sure it was an inspired work of Mr Hammond who almost > > > broke his fathers enterprise to give something better than clockworks > > > to the world, but it may be the use of the instrument that really forms > > > its spirit... > > > > > > While sitting there, just one thought looped in my mind: > > > I only believe in sound! > > > Words are twisted, especially after being brought through generations > > > and translations. Some professional musicians may learn to lie at work > > > just like lawyers must, but the churches little black drummer was only > > > about 8 years old and he certainly lies to his mother as we all did, > > > but he played relaxed and naturally - how could he lie? > > > > > > When they started to yell at me that the only truth was in the bible, I > > > left. > > > But I had loved to praise Jesus for teaching us to be sincere up to > > > whatever hard end and to find faith and valorize our inner voice and > > > destiny. > > > The result of it lives on after we are gone, thats probably as close as > > > we can get to resurrection... > > > > > > So trash these words and thank for your talent to put out your sound > > > and listen to it over and over and over ! > > > or to mine if you want :-) > > > > > > http://www.mp3.com/MatthiasBira > > > http://matthiasgrob.iuma.com > > > http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > There is actually a collection of all my work at: > > > http://matthias.grob.org/sound/ > > > User: listener > > > Password: sunpeace > > > This link is not meant to spread, since the servers capacity is > > > limited... > > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 13:48:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08240; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:46:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA8AB25.69BF6D42@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:47:03 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C9B9119B847E3B39EB3DCD80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------C9B9119B847E3B39EB3DCD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by dreamland. bobdog --------------C9B9119B847E3B39EB3DCD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by dreamland.

bobdog --------------C9B9119B847E3B39EB3DCD80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 14:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09452; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:05:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:05:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Gigspam- Robert Dick & Steve Sandberg From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203152238.RAA02023@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3100514730_223662_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <8qbKq.A.KTC.O9Kq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3100514730_223662_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just want to let it be known that I will be playing with the wonderful Robert Dick this coming Friday in NYC. We'll be doing 2 sets, Robert on his flutes and toys, me on two EDPs, wind synth, vocals and -- tada! -- an acoustic grand piano. If anyone from the looping community comes, please introduce yourself. The concert is this Friday, April 5, at 8 PM (we'll do two sets, probably be done by 10 or 10:30) at InHouse, 474 Greenwich St (just below Canal), 5th Floor. 212-925-8534. $10, $7 students/seniors. Cheers! --MS_Mac_OE_3100514730_223662_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Gigspam- Robert Dick & Steve Sandberg Just want to let it be known that I will be playing with the= wonderful Robert Dick this coming Friday in NYC.  We'll be doing 2 set= s, Robert on  his flutes and toys, me on two EDPs, wind synth, vocals a= nd -- tada! -- an acoustic grand piano.  If anyone from the looping com= munity comes, please introduce yourself.
The concert is this Friday, April 5, at 8 PM (we'll do two sets, probably b= e done by 10 or 10:30) at InHouse, 474 Greenwich St (just below Canal), 5th = Floor. 212-925-8534.
$10, $7 students/seniors.
Cheers! --MS_Mac_OE_3100514730_223662_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 14:29:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11011; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA8B52B.26ECEC4D@friendlyspider.com> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:29:57 -0600 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently acquired the Peavey Kosmos subharmonic bass processor. I am principally using it on my acoustic guitar rig for playing live. I have a Jam Man in the signal path, prior to the Kosmos. I've never heard the DBX, but I imagine there are some similarities. I run the subwoofer output of the Kosmos to a separate subwoofer amp and speaker. My mains are stereo - everything starts with a Yamaha AG Stomp. The Kosmos gives me what I want, a very full sound and at times I can imagine a bass player is jamming along, but you must be very careful with it. When recording, be sure you check your output with some different speaker systems because it is easy to overdrive the bass and start your speakers fluttering..... and if this problem is looped, it will only become that much more obvious. It is probably safer to run the ouput of your looper into such devices, rather than have the bass processing permanently laid into your loops, particularly if you plan to save one of your gems. -- gary @friendlyspider.com Todd Madson wrote: > I distinctly remember seeing the then Frank Zappa band circa 1981 > which had Scott Thunes on bass play a his Carvin 4-string through > a DBX subharmonic synthesizer at different points during the concert. > > Imagine a synth bass on steroids (sort of like doubling electric > and synth bass but playing the same lines) and you get the idea. > > Anyway, I was wondering just how massive a sound you'd get looping > it. Huge monolithic glaciers of sound. > > I imagine any sound you'd put through it would then have an octave > below line for your amusement. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 15:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13555; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:13:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:13:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c1d987$4b2f54d0$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <000501c1d99f$7e5f0b30$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Cable my Ass Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:12:43 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I swear I will not tell anyone from this list!" yeah, telling the list-members might actually be beneficial...and we can't have that happening, now can we?! -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 15:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14419; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:27:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA8C20A.CCBA7F1B@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:24:42 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Late-Breaking Los Angeles Gig Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, Another LA show which I'm hideously late in spamming you about: Tuesday, April 2 Lulu's Beehive 13203 Ventura Blvd. Studio City 8:00 PM It's a free show. This will be the first public gig for my EDP duo with Eric Oberthaler. It may well sound something like this: http://www.altruistmusic.com/archive/rmx.html Wish us luck in running our audio cables in the proper direction! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 15:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15084; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:40:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:40:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:38:05 -0800 Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth From: Stan Card To: loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CA8AB25.69BF6D42@pseudobuddha.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3100509485_80391_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3100509485_80391_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit fer anybody that was @ 'lopstack' real early and heard my little set,that infernal boom!boom!boom! you heard all along w/ the loops was the inimitable dbx120 taking a click track and drop pin it down into the pit! s the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by dreamland. bobdog --MS_Mac_OE_3100509485_80391_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Subharmonic Synth fer anybody that was @ 'lopstack' real early and heard my little set,that i= nfernal boom!boom!boom! you heard all along w/ the loops was the inimitable = dbx120 taking a click track and
drop
      pin it down into the pit!
s

the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear = my use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth can= al" on motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" fr= om the underwater cd by dreamland.

bobdog

--MS_Mac_OE_3100509485_80391_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 15:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15300; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:43:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:43:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017101c1d9be$2ee41e00$dd55e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <3CA8C20A.CCBA7F1B@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Speaking of gig-spam... Robert Rich + dreamSTATE - Toronto Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:45:39 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Rich and dreamSTATE are all know loop abusers so don't tip off the loop police... This Sunday, April 7th @ Art System, 327 Spadina Ave. map: http://www.theambientping.com/map_327spadina.html The Ambient Ping and Stained Productions proudly present ambient electronic music pioneer ROBERT RICH in concert with special guests, Toronto soundscape artists dreamSTATE and an analog light environment by General Chaos Visuals. Read complete artist bios at the Stained Productions website http://www.stainedproductions.com/events/rich/index.html Out-of-towners can also reserve advance tickets at this link. $12 in advance - $15 at the door - Doors open at 8:00 PM dreamSTATE at 8:45 PM - Robert Rich at 10:00 PM An all ages and non-smoking event advance ticket outlets: ROTATE THIS (620 Queen St. W.- just west of Bathurst) SOUNDSCAPES (572 College St.- 4 blocks w of Bathurst) Robert Rich - http://www.rrich.com/rrframeset.html dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to THE AMBiENT PiNG - http://www.theambientping.com STAiNED PRODUCTiONS - http://www.stainedproductions.com * Please forward this e-mail to friends who may be interested. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 15:56:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15983; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:53:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:53:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA8C8BD.2680B87A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 12:53:12 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF Gig Spam Reminder References: <000701c1d91d$41a97c70$062f04d1@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, my band "Sleeping" is playing tonight from 11 to midnight at 26mix (http://www.26mix.com/). Come on by and have a drink and listen to our chill tunes. Mark Sottilaro http://www.mp3.com/0crossing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 15:58:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16417; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:57:11 -0600 Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427CF6@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Late-Breaking Los Angeles Gig Spam Thread-Index: AcHZu+vDqYlYj0WtEdab+QBQi3KHBwAAh7Wg From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA16329 Resent-Message-ID: <0YLE2C.A.Y_D.omMq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you with the inclination, here's an interesting exercise: Let's say you have, oh I don't know, the following equipment: Electrix Repeater Electrix Filter Factory Line6 DL4 (2) Line6 FM4 Line6 POD SansAmp Bass D.I. Korg AM8000R Lexicon MPX100 t.c. electronic M-One Behringer FCB1010 Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") Neutrik 48-point patchbay Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler Boss drum-machine (model unknown) Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O Propellerhead Reason Propellerhead ReBirth Cubase VST/32 5.0 Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. Question: knowing that you want to loop guitar and bass and perhaps utilize sequenced tracks from the drum machines or software, how would you sequence the signal flow? Just a question. I'm personally curious in the many, many answers. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 16:12:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17356; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:00:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427CF6@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy April Fools! I knew you we're kidding when you omitted the midi patch bay :-) _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham, Lindsay [mailto:lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 > > > For those of you with the inclination, here's an interesting exercise: > > Let's say you have, oh I don't know, the following equipment: > > Electrix Repeater > Electrix Filter Factory > Line6 DL4 (2) > Line6 FM4 > Line6 POD > SansAmp Bass D.I. > Korg AM8000R > Lexicon MPX100 > t.c. electronic M-One > Behringer FCB1010 > Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) > Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") > Neutrik 48-point patchbay > Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler > Boss drum-machine (model unknown) > Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O > Propellerhead Reason > Propellerhead ReBirth > Cubase VST/32 5.0 > Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. > > Question: knowing that you want to loop guitar and bass and > perhaps utilize sequenced tracks from the drum machines or > software, how would you sequence the signal flow? > > Just a question. I'm personally curious in the many, many answers. > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 16:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17882; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Late-Breaking Los Angeles Gig Spam Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:06:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3CA8C20A.CCBA7F1B@altruistmusic.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Based on what I heard on his site and your stuff, should be great. If your record it please post (with techie liner notes too :-) _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:25 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Late-Breaking Los Angeles Gig Spam > > > Hello list, > > Another LA show which I'm hideously late in spamming you about: > > Tuesday, April 2 > Lulu's Beehive > 13203 Ventura Blvd. > Studio City > 8:00 PM > It's a free show. > > This will be the first public gig for my EDP duo with Eric Oberthaler. > It may well sound something like this: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/archive/rmx.html > > Wish us luck in running our audio cables in the proper direction! > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 16:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20434; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:54:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:54:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427CF7@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:53:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like the joke is indeed on me--no MIDI patchbay. There is a cheap-ass MIDI in/out connected to a SoundBlaster card, but no other MIDI gear other than the Behringer. So, to rectify the potential holes in the set-up, allot yourself $500 for miscellaneous gadgets and frivolous necessities. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Happy April Fools! I knew you we're kidding when you omitted the midi patch bay :-) _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham, Lindsay [mailto:lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 > > > For those of you with the inclination, here's an interesting exercise: > > Let's say you have, oh I don't know, the following equipment: > > Electrix Repeater > Electrix Filter Factory > Line6 DL4 (2) > Line6 FM4 > Line6 POD > SansAmp Bass D.I. > Korg AM8000R > Lexicon MPX100 > t.c. electronic M-One > Behringer FCB1010 > Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) > Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") > Neutrik 48-point patchbay > Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler > Boss drum-machine (model unknown) > Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O > Propellerhead Reason > Propellerhead ReBirth > Cubase VST/32 5.0 > Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. > > Question: knowing that you want to loop guitar and bass and > perhaps utilize sequenced tracks from the drum machines or > software, how would you sequence the signal flow? > > Just a question. I'm personally curious in the many, many answers. > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 17:04:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21043; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:04:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c1d9c9$2af09bb0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1D9D9.EE796BB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427CF6@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 0000000089B97DFE9438D31181120080C8E54836044E6300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1D9D9.EE796BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, let me post a few questions to some pieces of equipment, so I don't have to research them myself: 1. how many inputs has the mackie console? 2. Do I understand this correctly that the 01V can be connected with 16 channels in any direction to the Hammerfall 3. How many alaogue connections are there on the 01V ? 4. What is Propellerhead Reason ? ...and then look forward to my following suggestions :-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham, Lindsay [mailto:lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu] > Sent: Montag, 1. April 2002 22:57 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 > > > For those of you with the inclination, here's an interesting exercise: > > Let's say you have, oh I don't know, the following equipment: > > Electrix Repeater > Electrix Filter Factory > Line6 DL4 (2) > Line6 FM4 > Line6 POD > SansAmp Bass D.I. > Korg AM8000R > Lexicon MPX100 > t.c. electronic M-One > Behringer FCB1010 > Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) > Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") > Neutrik 48-point patchbay > Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler > Boss drum-machine (model unknown) > Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O > Propellerhead Reason > Propellerhead ReBirth > Cubase VST/32 5.0 > Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. > > Question: knowing that you want to loop guitar and bass and > perhaps utilize sequenced tracks from the drum machines or > software, how would you sequence the signal flow? > > Just a question. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ahhh...and 5. you're using only a D.I. to form the Bass's signal (prior to any effects processing) ? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham, Lindsay [mailto:lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu] > Sent: Montag, 1. April 2002 22:57 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 > > > For those of you with the inclination, here's an interesting exercise: > > Let's say you have, oh I don't know, the following equipment: > > Electrix Repeater > Electrix Filter Factory > Line6 DL4 (2) > Line6 FM4 > Line6 POD > SansAmp Bass D.I. > Korg AM8000R > Lexicon MPX100 > t.c. electronic M-One > Behringer FCB1010 > Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) > Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") > Neutrik 48-point patchbay > Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler > Boss drum-machine (model unknown) > Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O > Propellerhead Reason > Propellerhead ReBirth > Cubase VST/32 5.0 > Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. > > Question: knowing that you want to loop guitar and bass and > perhaps utilize sequenced tracks from the drum machines or > software, how would you sequence the signal flow? > > Just a question. I'm personally curious in the many, many answers. > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1D9DA.3F3C2A10 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="winmail.dat" eJ8+IiAWAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANIHBAACAAAABgAAAAIA5wAB A5AGABwKAAApAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAA AAAAHgBwAAEAAAAdAAAARmFudGFzeSBQYXRjaGluZyBFeGVyY2lzZSAjMQAAAAACAXEAAQAAABYA AAABwdnJexFcWI3uW5FNu75GAHcSr5s/AAACAR0MAQAAABQAAABTTVRQOlJTQE1PSU5MQUJTLkRF AAsAAQ4AAAAAQAAGDgCUBmjJ2cEBAgEKDgEAAAAYAAAAAAAAAIm5ff6UONMRgRIAgMjlSDbCgAAA AwAUDgEAAAALAB8OAQAAAAIBCRABAAAAZwUAAGMFAAAsCAAATFpGdTaw8kIDAAoAcmNwZzEyNeIy A0N0ZXgFQQEDAff/CoACpAPkBxMCgA/zAFAEVj8IVQeyESUOUQMBAgBjaOEKwHNldDIGAAbDESX2 MwRGE7cwEiwRMwjvCfe2OxgfDjA1ESIMYGMAUDMLCQFkMzYWUAumIGH6aB0ALh0wAHALMQrACoSh CoA1LiB5CGAnGCBEIHUAkG5nIAIgbEJ5HOAgRC5JHmB0pG8gAhBybSAAaB7QNEJhBBAnBCAAkGdu 8QdAIChwBRAFsSARAHA3H4ABEQWQdAQgIcBvY+MHkB8CKSA/HZoMggfwnwtxBJAdmiT0BgB0ciDg zxPQAxAYAB2jTW8LgAtgomIEIEdGWCJBZAYAKwhgHXB3BbBrBCAtIFp3KWAuBGAnpC4BACCEPGgC QHA6Ly8pbdY+CuMKgGQhUGkBkAMgbnAJ8AQAIoB4LNAAICCrCcAIYHApNWQs0GcqLvsuZSvWVCCh J4IokxDBJtFGdgeRKUVwMy4FoG1+LymmKlwyfSvWHZor0C1dNpJPBRAscCFyTSNRYaxnZTaTNhZG A2E6KABDJqAT4G0sIEwLgGQ7N6AfgFsAwAMQIBA6bIMJwDkyQHBvc3QykEEEAC5zbXUuCYB1/l02 FgZgAjA48CeAAjA3sHU5cDEeYEEhwQMgAdAwQRRAMjI6NTc2FlQTOnA5gG9vLVFzLUTsZWwhUCpw QBewP5QBAMdAEzKSPCd1YmoiwTjwtE9UOPBGAHABkHMfgJhQYXQm0R8hRXgEkLs7YR7QIxrzNlJE vkYh8uZoOyAe0G9mHnIpUCyAtmgggwuAY0AQIXB0IeD+bjlwIKAYICERA5ELgA6wXxggOzAfEg7A RCQ6RL5MfxQgIRI54UcCE+AxwDlwb1FHcEkgZAIgJwVAa/hub3c5cCCSAhAnAE2geUnDcXUFIAeA PMFEvkXWbCLBBRB4B/BlLNBDgPslNlBJRjpBEoFC8CLQBbCWeUsXJRE2H7BMNCGgRDIpU2xGTTRT bFDsT0Q8JwBxQTJgIMMfs402FksFsB8wQU04PiB0MFJLGHgN4AIgBdBQ/FgxPiA2FjtBHmBAAFCC PwIgDeAF0DbQJSA2FkJlzmgFEB8gUsJDQlrQWtA1NhZNANBrCJAGAFIyxjRUYVQgQXV4OXBUYLZC HvBUp1k5UDkxIF4wplYhoFRgIkcXsGIhgfRPdSLgIlSnB8BigAUQ8mtgIDgtOxBJQSMAQ4IvYjBT V1jjUGViHtBFU7wtMQYBMmBQcFFnQjsgwQQgZHJ1bS0AwUOxvR7QKARiAyAosE2CblSnpER1IYFQ SWqALVlRBUNgQzlwUk1FIEgzOVAHgHJmB0ADIEFEZEFUTPAvT1RyOXBTsWpwRElGbHI2FlADYO8s 0CcABJAgoGEocFDwIOCnAiBtv27FQmkAIGg2Fg5DQjAg4B7QVlNUL64zFEAeUFr3RU2QdUAw/CBj AaBQcAQgIBFNICJC9yCQHxJHAm1AIilQQwF0JPtYVzYWUQpQSaECIDjwTYL/HxIgkEOARvR11UBy LZBO4P8BkAXAKFJx4UjyKHA2Fi1RnRPgcAQgYoADEGl6HtD/FBBO0AnwI0AocCaRXwAEIP8DUiCD Z+J1UGhEBCAFsTYW/29AAYB1wBggSIFNoClQCGC+bChwRwJ8tiCDIUVmTlH0PyBFL0oe8AVAH6B8 0fd3ox5gTPAnIHA/ogIga/H9H4BjCHEIYAQgC4AggwOB/nk5cIcSIkED4D+xhQFKn985pH9oXEIB AFChdB7wT1fPUHABgEbCQAFvdDYWKnWni8JG0IxDLmloAGFBagUdlH2PsAAeAEIQAQAAAEIAAAA8 NkFFODIxNjBFODQzRDUxMUIwM0UwMDA4QzdFNjUwMTQwNDQyN0NGNkBzMzF4ZTEuc3lzdGVtcy5z bXUuZWR1PgAAAAMACVkBAAAAAwAAfAUAAAALAAGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAA AAMAA4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAAAwAHgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA UoUAACdqAQAeAAmACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA5LjAAHgAKgAggBgAA AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AC4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeF AAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAAyACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAACwA6 gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADADyACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAARhQAA AAAAAAMAPYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAACwBTgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYA AAAABoUAAAAAAAADAFSACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAABhQAAAAAAAAIB+A8BAAAAEAAAAIm5 ff6UONMRgRIAgMjlSDYCAfoPAQAAABAAAACJuX3+lDjTEYESAIDI5Ug2AgH7DwEAAACSAAAAAAAA ADihuxAF5RAaobsIACsqVsIAAG1zcHN0LmRsbAAAAAAATklUQfm/uAEAqgA32W4AAABFOlxEb2N1 bWVudHMgYW5kIFNldHRpbmdzXG1vaW5cTG9jYWwgU2V0dGluZ3NcQXBwbGljYXRpb24gRGF0YVxN aWNyb3NvZnRcT3V0bG9va1xvdXRsb29rLnBzdAAAAAMA/g8FAAAAAwANNP03AAACAX8AAQAAADEA AAAwMDAwMDAwMDg5Qjk3REZFOTQzOEQzMTE4MTEyMDA4MEM4RTU0ODM2ODQ0RTYzMDAAAAAAAwAG EAbt380DAAcQsAQAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAEAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABBSEhIQU5ENVlPVVJFVVNJ TkdPTkxZQURJVE9GT1JNVEhFQkFTU1NTSUdOQUwoUFJJT1JUT0FOWUVGRkVDVFNQUk9DRVNTSU5H KT9SQUlORVJSQUlORVJTVFJBU0NISUxMTU9JAAAAANmP ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1D9DA.3F3C2A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 17:14:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21961; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:12:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:12:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427CF9@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:11:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Answers: 1.) 24 analog inputs, 20 mic/line, 2 stereo line pairs, 6 aux, 4 bus, stereo master 2.) No, the 01V ADAT expansion card is limited to eight channels of I/O. 3.) 16 analog inputs (12 XLR mic pres) 4.) "Really cool" is the best answer. Software sampler, pattern and linear sequencer, effects, mixer. MIDI controllable. It rocks. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Graham, let me post a few questions to some pieces of equipment, so I don't have to research them myself: 1. how many inputs has the mackie console? 2. Do I understand this correctly that the 01V can be connected with 16 channels in any direction to the Hammerfall 3. How many alaogue connections are there on the 01V ? 4. What is Propellerhead Reason ? ...and then look forward to my following suggestions :-) Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham, Lindsay [mailto:lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu] > Sent: Montag, 1. April 2002 22:57 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 > > > For those of you with the inclination, here's an interesting exercise: > > Let's say you have, oh I don't know, the following equipment: > > Electrix Repeater > Electrix Filter Factory > Line6 DL4 (2) > Line6 FM4 > Line6 POD > SansAmp Bass D.I. > Korg AM8000R > Lexicon MPX100 > t.c. electronic M-One > Behringer FCB1010 > Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) > Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") > Neutrik 48-point patchbay > Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler > Boss drum-machine (model unknown) > Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O > Propellerhead Reason > Propellerhead ReBirth > Cubase VST/32 5.0 > Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. > > Question: knowing that you want to loop guitar and bass and > perhaps utilize sequenced tracks from the drum machines or > software, how would you sequence the signal flow? > > Just a question. I'm personally curious in the many, many answers. > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 21:27:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01790; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:25:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:25:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: OT: stuff for sale Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:24:27 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: stuff for sale Thread-Index: AcHZ7XwWl/StXPzSQhqUNCLyb+Xzew== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA01728 Resent-Message-ID: <3ukVSB.A.Pb.fZRq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cleaning out the rack... Alesis Midiverb 4 multi effects. EMU Procussion midi drum sound module. Both are clean with manual $125 each -Bill NYC http://www.eyuck.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 21:35:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02513; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:33:43 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Website for musicians buying/selling equipment? Message-ID: <20020401213342.E4541@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ggnetworks@jps.net on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:09:44PM -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:09:44PM -0800, Larry Stites wrote: > Is there a dedicated website (besides Ebay!) where musicians buy and sell > their used and sometimes new equipment? A site dedicated to musicians > selling everything; drum sets, guitars, PA systems, sound modules, midi > controllers, keyboards, CD's... Is there a site like that? > > I am in the market for a few things such as sound modules, a rack mount > case, an amplifier, Echoplex and maybe another Zen Drum > > What might you have to sell? > Not really a selling/buying site, but http://www.prepal.com/ is a good resource to get some idea what good prices are for gear. Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 23:41:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08342; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:35:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:35:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020402043508.98368.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:35:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Dateline April 1, 2002 from Analogue Heaven To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ---Begin Forwarded message--- > > Buena Park, CA., April 01, 2002 /PRNewswire via > COMTEX/ -- Today, > Yamaha Corporation (NASDAQ: YFM) announced the > shocking and unexpected > purchase of Buchla & Assoc. (OTC BB: BUCKY). After > a secret bidding war > against rival Roland Corp. (NYSE: GROOVE), Yamaha > Corp. emerged the > winner. > Yamaha shareholders were ecstatic as the stock > price soared $12.00 in > equal trading. On the downside, Buchla & Associates > stock dropped $0.89 > after shareholders dumped the stock in favor of > Global Crossing, Enron, > and AOL-Time Warner. > PRNewswire caught up with Don Buchla to hear his > take on the buyout of > his company: > > PRNewswire - "Mr. Buchla, please give us your > comments on this buyout." > Don Buchla - "Well I felt it was time to make a > change. After 30 odd > years of manufacturing equipment that appealed > only to those who > couldn't afford it, I came to the realization > that all I had really > wanted to create was a nice little preset > sound making device for > home use." > PRNewswire - "Wouldn't it have been easy for you > to create a new product > line as opposed to selling the entire > company?" > Don Buchla - "Yes. But in the end, Yamaha gave > me an offer I couldn't > refuse. I will now be the head project > manager over the PSS > product line!" > PRNewswire - "I see. Will you be bringing your > alternate controller > technology to future Yamaha products?" > Don Buchla - "Yes! In fact, we had a > brainstorming session just this > past week at Starbucks. Since Yamaha owners > spend so much time > slamming the owners manual around the room, we > decided to make it an > alternative controller. Yamaha has already > patented the technology > and will be filing lawsuits against other > Japanese manufacturers." > PRNewswire - "What about the German > manufacturers?" > Don Buchla - "Well we all know that their > products are so well designed > that no one actually reads their manuals." > PRNewswire - "Any final comments?" > Don Buchla - "FM BABY!" > > While representatives of Roland Corp. were > unavailable to comment on > their unsuccessful bid for Buchla & Associates, > PRNewswire did receive > email which confirmed rumors that the company was > indeed in talks with > Big Briar Inc. (ASE: MGRFGR). Founded by > synthesizer pioneer Robert > Moog, the Big Briar buyout would only be seen as an > East/West rivalry > being fueled by large corporate greed. > Bob Moog, himself, talked to PRNewswire about the > rumors: > > PRNewswire - "Mr. Moog, what can you tell us > about the Roland bid?" > Bob Moog - "Well they have been in touch with me, > but I can assure > you that my company isn't for sale!" > PRNewswire - "But in today's market strategy, > wouldn't an alliance > with a larger corporation assure longevity and > marketability?" > Bob Moog - "Certainly. But I refuse to negotiate > with a company > who thinks that they should...and I quote, > "put the _vogue_ back > in Moog"." > > With the buyout possibilities limited for Roland > Corporation, it > appears that Yamaha has gained a one-up on the > competition. > > SOURCE D. Doepher > > ---End Forwarded Message--- > > APRIL FOOLS! (as if you couldn't figure it out) ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 1 23:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09208; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:47:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:47:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020402044704.59263.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:47:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Dateline April 1, 2002 from Analogue Heaven To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020402043508.98368.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops! I tidyed up the message tooooo well. That's from Tony Clark over on AH. I particularly like the idea of using the manual as an alternate controller. Kim, is it too late to work that into the EDP upgrade? :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 00:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10927; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:17:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:17:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:17:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Todd Reynolds' EDP Etudes From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CA6BADB.EC53A1D5@altruistmusic.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-idZU.A.ppC.k7Tq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Duuuuuudde... Thank you so much for your thourough addressing of my issues... I'll do my replies in all caps to be clear... And you WILL hear the tune... As soon as I've been able to lay it down... And I'm trying to grab a file from phil so I can share the chart with you.. It'll just be a standard midi file though..., unless I can print it as a pdf... Perhaps... On 3/31/02 2:29 AM, "Andre LaFosse" wrote: > todd reynolds wrote: > >> Dear andre... > > Yo Todd! Sorry for the delay in replying... just got back into town > this afternoon. > >> Todd here... An ardent fan, by the way... > > The feeling is mutual, good man. Thanks for posting the new > Max/MSP-related sounds... WONDERFUL stuff! (As is the non-MAX stuff of > yours I've heard, as well.) > >> I posted some issues I'm having earlier today... Subsequent to reading your >> offer, I wonder perhaps if you might have some advice... I hope my posts are >> clear enough... It's using the edp in a completely composed setting... > > I'll try to address your questions as best I can (which honestly isn't > saying a whole lot!) > > ...though I must admit I'd probably have an easier time of formulating > an idea if I could hear the tune itself. Depending on how quickly you > need to undo layers, how many layers there are, how they get built up in > the first place, and so forth, it might be easier to try and answer. > > But: > >> Basic concept of this etude is... Build up 5 loops, then play over it >> removing one loop at a time, leaving original two... > > My first thought is, "OK. Could you not simply use NextLoop to > backtrack from Loop 5 back down to Loops 1 and 2?" I know you touch on > that later on... THAT IS THE ROUTE I'M TRAVELING, WITH THE ABILITY TO TRIGGER EACH LOOP AT WILL WITH MY MIDI FOOTPEDAL. THIS IS INDEED THE BEST OPTION. THE PROBLEM IS NOW RECORDING SMOOTHLY BECAUSE IN NEXTLOOP WITH AUTORECORD, YOU MUST LET IT COMPLETE THE CYCLE BEFORE THE NEXT LOOP WILL ENGAGE... IS THAT UNDERSTANDABLE? SEE NEXT QUESTION... > >> Barlines are seamless, so >> cannot have double button pushes... > > I'm not totally clear on what you mean here... which double button > pushes are you thinking of, and what is it specifically about the > textures in the loops that would make such button pushes unfeasible? I'M RECORDING WHOLE NOTES OVER WHOLE NOTES... SO AT THE END OF A LOOP, OVER THE BARLINE, I HAVE TO MANAGE A SMOOTH CONNECTION... SO DOUBLE FOOT MOVEMENTS WOULD NOT BE FAST ENOUGH TO DO THAT... WHAT I HAVE NOT TRIED YET, HOWEVER IS HOW TWO COMMANDS SET TO ONE BUTTON WOULD WORK... I'LL LOOK THERE NEXT... IMAGINE THIS THEN... TRIGGER RECORD, PLAY EIGHT BARS, END WITH OVERDUB RECORD ANOTHER EIGHT BARS, HIT NEXTLOOP, AND YOU'RE IN WITH MULTIPLY ON, TURN MULTIPLY OFF, AND YOU'RE SET RIGHT? YES, BUT NOT IF YOU HIT NEXTLOOP AGAIN, 'CUZ IT WON'T SEE THAT UNTIL IT'S RUN IT'S COURSE THROUGH THE CYCLE. ON YOUR SECOND PASS THROUGH LOOP 2, YOU CAN HIT NEXT LOOP TO GO TO LOOP 3, AND SO ON... THIS IS THE CURRENT ISSUE... > >> Having moreloops set to 5, by the >> way... > > I'll suggest a different approach here in a second... > >> First, the Undo option... Seems to take two button pushes to have anything >> happen anyway, then only partially undoes... So virtually unreliable... > > As Cliff so astutely pointed out, Undo is a deceptively complex thing. > And honestly, I don't personally understand it very well myself. (That > says very little about the EDP, and very much about my own lack of > studiousness in that particular regard.) NOPE, UNDO JUST IS TOO FINICKY TO DEAL WITH IN REALITY, I'VE CHECKED THE ARCHIVES, AND THINK I UNDERSTAND IT PRETTY WELL, BUT IT'S NOT THAT RELIABLE ANYWAY... LONG PRESS OR SHORT PRESS... NO DISRESPECT TO OUR FRIENDLY EDP OR KIM OR MATTHIAS... > >> Next, the Nextloop option... > [snip] >> then cycle back >> through the loops, back to loop 2, then back to loop 1, etc... The problem >> is that I don't really have the time at the end of the piece to go through 5 >> whole cycles to undo one level at a time using nextloop... > > If you have SwitchQuant set to either On or Confirm, then you could jump > from any loop to any other loop, and you could do so either manually or > quantized to the length of each loop. Would that make matters easier? YES, IT IS EXACTLY AS YOU DESCRIBED... SWITCHQUANT IS ON... AND IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE IT TRIGGERED TO THE LENGTH OF THE LOOP..., IN FACT PERFECT... IT'S JUST THE LINEAR NATURE OF GETTING THE MATERIAL IN THAT IS CURRENTLY THE PROBLEM STATED ABOVE... > >> Well, now I've confused myself... > > I'm afraid you're not the only one! :() > >> Questions... Is there something about undo that I'm missing? Such that a >> button depression would actually immediately take off layers without going >> through a whole other cycle? Yes, there is plenty of memory available... > > One thing to be aware of is that the Undo feature uses a software noise > gate. The purpose of the gate (so far as I understand it) is to divide > each successive overdub into a different partition in the EDP memory, so > that when the input level drops below the threshold of the noise gate, > the memory allocates that as the end of one "chunk" and the beginning of > another "chunk" which can be dealt with via Undo. > > But depending on how noisy your input signal is, you could potentially > be filling up a lot of memory with extraneous sounds that are quiet > enough to not really hear, but loud enough to be above the noise gate > threshold. (I have that problem with guitar pickup noise from time to > time). You might try closing Overdub after each new phrase you layer on > top, just to make sure that the memory isn't spilling out beyond the > musically intended end of the phrase. > > NO idea if this is at all relevant to your problem, of course, but I had > to try and make myself feel useful somehow! :) AND YES IT'S RELEVANT, I'M SURE... BUT I'M DEFINITELY ABOVE THE GATE... I'M GOING TO SAVE THIS EXPLANATION FOR MY OWN ARCHIVES THOUGH AS I CONTINUE TO DELVE INTO UNDO SOME MORE... > >> And is there a way of using nextloop as a sort of overdub function?f > > One thing I do a lot of is setting AutoRecord to On, and LoopCopy to > Sound. This means that after I've recorded something on loop one, I can > instantly copy that to another loop via NextLoop. YES, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I HAVE IT SET UP... THANKS... > > And as soon as you're in the next loop, you're multiplying cycles out. > If you wanted the length of the new loop to be the same as the initial > one, you'd hit multiply again in order to keep it down to one cycle > length (or however many cycles you want.) SO RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE ABOVE MENTIONED PROBLEM STARTS... I HIT MULTIPLY TO HAVE IT DO ONE CYCLE ONLY, BUT CAN'T MOVE TO THE NEXT LOOP FROM THERE... > > One other idea I have is to use MORE than 5 loops in the piece. Even > though your etude may be composed for 5 distinct compositional units, > that doesn't mean you can't use more than 5 EDP loops in the sonic > representation of those musical figures. > > You might think about allocating some of the 9 possible loops as "short > term" deals, which would only be accessed once or twice in the duration > of the piece. Your followup email made reference to wanting to overdub > something once and then erase it... so what if you copied a loop to, > say, Loop 6, overdubbing as you enter the new loop, let it repeat once, > and then switch back to the loop you copied from originally, never going > back to Loop 6 again? I'M STILL TRYING TO SEE HOW I CAN USE THIS IDEA, HAVEN'T QUITE MADE IT YET... > > Jeez, I'm getting dizzy. :) PLEASE LIE DOWN... > > Tell you what, Todd... let me know if this makes any sense, or is in any > way relevant to what you're trying to do. If not, maybe someone else > here has some insights. > > If nothing else, I might have some other ideas if I can actually hear > the piece in question. We can work out a way to do that if need be > (this is genuinely interesting stuff to me). SO HAPPY TO BE JAMMIN' WITH YOU... NOW I KNOW THESE CAPS SEEM LIKE I'M YELLING, but really, I'm not... I'm quite happy and calm... Thanks andre... Check me out, see if I'm right in my assumptions or am I missing something... Thanks for your participation... I'll be performing this one on April 8th in manhattan, if you happen to be passing through... Best to you, of course... Todd > > ANYWAY... hope this has been of at least some help. Or amusement, at least! > > Take care, > > --Andre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 00:44:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11917; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:42:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:42:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:42:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <62Ba7B.A.F6C.FTUq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my >use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on >motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by >dreamland. > >bobdog It can easily be modified to work for guitar. Not quite as firm as my Polysubbass but quite usefull! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 04:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22779; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 04:39:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 04:39:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:39:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c1da2a$59811d40$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9AnPHB.A.AiF.0wXq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see a few different models- there is a digital one etc- any that are better/worse? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth >the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my >use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on >motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by >dreamland. > >bobdog It can easily be modified to work for guitar. Not quite as firm as my Polysubbass but quite usefull! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 09:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06402; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:33:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:33:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DA53.4952D2F0" Resent-Message-ID: <5ix_1.A.hjB.hEcq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DA53.4952D2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is the new Peavey Kosmos similar? Any opinions on that box? Seemed interesting though I usually stay away from Peavey. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:38 PM To: loopers Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth fer anybody that was @ 'lopstack' real early and heard my little set,that infernal boom!boom!boom! you heard all along w/ the loops was the inimitable dbx120 taking a click track and drop pin it down into the pit! s the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by dreamland. bobdog ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DA53.4952D2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Subharmonic Synth
Is the new Peavey Kosmos similar? Any opinions on that box? Seemed interesting though I usually stay away from Peavey.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:38 PM
To: loopers
Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth

fer anybody that was @ 'lopstack' real early and heard my little set,that infernal boom!boom!boom! you heard all along w/ the loops was the inimitable dbx120 taking a click track and
drop
      pin it down into the pit!
s

the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by dreamland.

bobdog

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DA53.4952D2F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 11:53:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15074; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:52:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:52:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402114931.02817a78@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:49:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: looking 4 show - new england Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey folks i'm doing a show in amherst on 4/17 and i would love to hook something up in that region for the following night or 2. i wouldn't send out an SOS like this but for it all came together so last minute. any ideas or leads, please reply off-list... for more info about what the hell's an anti:clockwise, go here thanks! here's a preliminary on the details for the amherst show. it's ok for non-students to attend and it's all-ages... Wednesday, April 17th, 2002 Dakin Squad Buttfire anti:clockwise Wolf Eyes Hampshire College Prescott Tavern 893 West St., Amherst, MA Doors: 8:00pm Set Time: 9:15pm Door Price: $4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 13:54:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22605; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:52:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:52:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA9FE56.6146E777@friendlyspider.com> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 12:54:16 -0600 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kosmos Review... References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the Kosmos with a Jam Man and my acoustic guitar rig.
It works well for me, but I've never heard the DBX.  The
Kosmos has a separate subwoofer output which is nice for
running to a sub or recording on a separate track.
The Kosmos also has a stereo expansion feature, but I
use it very sparingly....  it boosts the highs a bit much
and starts adding some hiss.  I am currently setting up some
new percussion samples for my MIDI rig and plan on passing
them thru an AG stomp for its mic modeling and effects and
then thru the Kosmos for some punch.  Check out the latest
Electronic Musician (April)  for a review of the Kosmos.
I
I don't know whether the DBX unit has that separate sub out,
but that is a great feature....  you can send the sub out the mains
as well if you want, but having that additional control is nice....and
it can be recorded onto a separate track for adding during mixdown.
gary@
friendlyspider.com

"Reid, Benjamin" wrote:

 Is the new Peavey Kosmos similar? Any opinions on that box? Seemed interesting though I usually stay away from Peavey.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:38 PM
To: loopers
Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth
 
fer anybody that was @ 'lopstack' real early and heard my little set,that infernal boom!boom!boom! you heard all along w/ the loops was the inimitable dbx120 taking a click track and
drop
      pin it down into the pit!
s
 
the dbx 120 is my friend. bigass deep undertones. you can hear my use of one on "ephod" from the original ct cd's, "moth canal" on motive by pseudobuddha & on "underwater" from the underwater cd by dreamland.

bobdog

--
gary
@friendlyspider.com
  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 14:10:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24787; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:07:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CA9FFF2.2092E641@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:01:06 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: stuff for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: RogueStore@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about $225 for both?(if they are still available) Mark "Wolf, Bill" wrote: > Cleaning out the rack... > Alesis Midiverb 4 multi effects. > EMU Procussion midi drum sound module. > Both are clean with manual > $125 each > > -Bill > NYC > http://www.eyuck.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 14:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26177; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427CF6@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427CF6@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:25:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >For those of you with the inclination, here's an interesting exercise: > >Let's say you have, oh I don't know, the following equipment: > >Electrix Repeater >Electrix Filter Factory >Line6 DL4 (2) >Line6 FM4 >Line6 POD >SansAmp Bass D.I. >Korg AM8000R >Lexicon MPX100 >t.c. electronic M-One >Behringer FCB1010 >Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) >Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") >Neutrik 48-point patchbay >Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler >Boss drum-machine (model unknown) >Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O >Propellerhead Reason >Propellerhead ReBirth >Cubase VST/32 5.0 >Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. > >Question: knowing that you want to loop guitar and bass and perhaps >utilize sequenced tracks from the drum machines or software, how >would you sequence the signal flow? > >Just a question. I'm personally curious in the many, many answers. Given with what I've had to deal with lately, both with my own setup and others, I'd sell almost everything but a few key pieces, and get down to making music with what's left! :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 14:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27086; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:39:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:39:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501404427D03@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:39:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <5V65w.A.clG.qjgq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd sell almost everything but a few key pieces, and get down to making music with what's left! < Oh, that's the exact reason for my alt-country alter-ego: acoustic or maybe--maybe--a Tele and an amp. Still, what's life without scrotum- (or uterus-) grinding frustration? Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 16:38:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03086; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c1da8e$2f59a5a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: News from SLO Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:34:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1DA4B.1FB5E020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1DA4B.1FB5E020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just in from www.theonion.com I guess he didn't know about the looping shows! Acid Trip Better Planned Than Vacation SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA- Jonathan Andriesko's weekend acid trip was better = planned than his trip to Arizona last month, friends of the 22-year-old = video-store clerk reported Monday. "Jon spent hours making sure = everything was right," coworker Craig Jaeger said. "He requested two = days off from work well in advance, rented 2001: A Space Odyssey, filled = up his CD changer with Aphex Twin and Boards Of Canada discs, took the = phone off the hook, stocked up on vitamin-C tablets, set up all the food = he was going to need for the next 12 hours... You'd think he was = planning a wedding." By contrast, Andriesko merely expressed vague plans = to "get going sometime Saturday" before embarking on a mid-March trip to = Scottsdale. http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1DA4B.1FB5E020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just in from www.theonion.com
 
I guess he didn't know about the looping = shows!
 
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SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA=97 Jonathan Andriesko's weekend = acid trip=20 was better planned than his trip to Arizona last month, friends of the=20 22-year-old video-store clerk reported Monday. "Jon spent hours making = sure=20 everything was right," coworker Craig Jaeger said. "He requested two = days off=20 from work well in advance, rented 2001: A Space Odyssey, filled = up his CD=20 changer with Aphex Twin and Boards Of Canada discs, took the phone off = the hook,=20 stocked up on vitamin-C tablets, set up all the food he was going to = need for=20 the next 12 hours... You'd think he was planning a wedding." By = contrast,=20 Andriesko merely expressed vague plans to "get going sometime Saturday" = before=20 embarking on a mid-March trip to Scottsdale.
http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1DA4B.1FB5E020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 17:47:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09104; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:44:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:44:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:44:10 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > Given with what I've had to deal with lately, both with my own setup > and others, I'd sell almost everything but a few key pieces, and get > down to making music with what's left! :-) This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you consider "key pieces"? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 17:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10030; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:49:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:49:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402164721.024a00d0@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rjholland@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:48:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Holland Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) In-Reply-To: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Latop Mixer (mackie 1604) Turntables Technics 1200s Numark DJ mixer Various delay units Lexicon JamMan Synth (Juno 106) At 02:44 PM 4/2/02 -0800, you wrote: >--- Dave Trenkel wrote: > > > Given with what I've had to deal with lately, both with my own setup > > and others, I'd sell almost everything but a few key pieces, and get > > down to making music with what's left! :-) > >This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you >consider "key pieces"? > >Greg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 17:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10696; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:53:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:53:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:52:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 22:52:09.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[0576AE80:01C1DA99] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you > consider "key pieces"? > A partial list is below :> >Electrix Repeater >Electrix Filter Factory >Line6 DL4 (2) >Line6 FM4 >Line6 POD >SansAmp Bass D.I. >Korg AM8000R >Lexicon MPX100 >t.c. electronic M-One >Behringer FCB1010 >Mackie SR244 (6 Aux, 4 Bus) >Yamaha 01V (4 "Global Outs") >Neutrik 48-point patchbay >Korg Electribe ES-1 Sampler >Boss drum-machine (model unknown) >Dual PIII-800 PC, RME Hammerfall ADAT I/O (2), SPIDIF I/O >Propellerhead Reason >Propellerhead ReBirth >Cubase VST/32 5.0 >Enough cables to do anything you might want to do. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 18:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12356; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:00:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:00:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:52:30 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) In-reply-to: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:44 PM -0800 4/2/02, Greg House wrote: >This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you >consider "key pieces"? My luggage cart and my Volvo station wagon. They are the most-used pieces of gear for any gig. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 18:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12806; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:07:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:07:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:07:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Gig: Tim and Matthias in San Francisco Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thursday, April 4th, 7pm, Minna Gallery opens the exposition of SURACER, 8 female artists works about multidimensional experiences. At 7pm, I start to loop the background and maybe some spontaneous interpretation of the art exposition. Alien Sugar (= Tim Crowe, also on this list) will come in with light looped percussion and make it grow until: At 10pm - 2am it turns into a dancing party with Samira spinning vinyl and Alien Sugar looping and filtering percussion. Minna Gallery is between 2nd and new Montgomery http://www.111minnagallery.com/ Is that all correct, Tim? This may be the only time I play in San Francisco, and its a nice space and Tim is a great friend, so dont miss it! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 18:12:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13006; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:10:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:09:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Fwd: Jack West SF gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9GsT5.A.zKD.Apjq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jack is an old EDP user and plays guitar very nicely, rather traditional style. Probably one of the few professional loopers. I hope I can see this concert of his and take the oportunity to present him to the list - or is he known? >Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:21:59 -0800 >From: Jack West/Ahead Behind Music >Reply-To: jack@aheadbehind.com >Organization: Ahead Behind Music >X-Accept-Language: en >To: Matthias Grob >Subject: Re: gigs planned? > >Hi, > >Yes, I do remember. Nice to hear from you. Our gig page isn't >updated anyway, but yes we have an unusual gig this Friday at the >Legion of Honor (info below) that you might want to catch. I'll be >using my Echoplex a lot. > >We'll be performing this Friday as a part of the Dada & Surrealist >Art show. We will be playing as a trio on and off from 6-8:30pm >along with performers from the San Francisco Dada Festival. There >will also be lectures on Dadaism, cocktails, dinner, live art, etc. > >In keeping with the theme, we will be taking Curvature's music deep >into surreal and improvisational territory! This will be a rare >opportunity to see us at our most "out". > >Hope to see ya there. > >Jack > > >WHAT: Jack West & Curvature in Concert > >WHO: Jack West: 8-string acoustic guitar, slide > David Phillips: pedal steel > Darian Gray: drums > >WHEN: Fri. April 5, 6-8:30pm >WHERE: California Palace of the Legion of Honor, San Francisco >TICKETS: $8 >INFO: 415-682-2480 > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 18:12:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13251; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:11:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:11:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020402231057.94841.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Gear setup/sequence question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I play guitar and I'm currently using a POD, a GP-16, a Vortex, and a Repeater (connected in that sequence) and I'm a bit frustrated with how to most effectively hook it all up. I like the POD, but it's on loan from a friend, who will probably want it back before too long. I may end up buying one myself someday. The Repeater, I also like. But the effects units are irritating. The GP-16 is mono-in/stereo-out, which means it has to go first in the chain, but I don't want it first because it does things like reverbs and delays, which I want later on. Yet another of those sorry all-in-one do-everything boxes that wasn't designed to use with any OTHER GEAR. Most of it's effects are pretty lack-luster, and it doesn't have tap tempo. I put it after the POD, since I don't really need to use the POD's stereo effects. The Vortex has some interesting sounds, but it's not really designed to work at line level, which messes up the Repeater, which wants line level. I could put a little line mixer in there to boost the level, but that seems like another hunk of electronics in the signal path that I don't need. I don't want delay and modulation effects in front of things that make distortion (especially when the unit really shines in stereo and the other two devices only have mono inputs), so it needs to go after the POD & the GP-16. Beyond that, it requires a lot of front panel button pushing and isn't MIDI controllable, but that doesn't have much to do with how it's hooked up. I'd love to replace the GP-16 and the Vortex with something like a TC Fireworx or G-Force, but I can't swing the cost so I need to make do for awhile. I'm getting some interesting sounds, so I'm not really complaining, but keeping the levels balanced and optimal is a constant chore. Any suggestions? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 18:15:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13725; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:13:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:13:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:13:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Gig: Tim and Matthias in San Francisco Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh, typo: its SURFACER -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 18:19:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14058; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:17:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:17:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:25:09 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) In-Reply-To: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Greg House wrote: > This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you > consider "key pieces"? My most used piece of gear? Korg Pandora PX-3B, as a portable self-powered headphone amp with metronome for practicing. Other items I reach for more often than the rest of the gear, not necessarily in most-preferred or -used order: Roland GR-30 Nord Micro Modular Electrix Warpfactory vocoder Electrix Repeater (or at least my Akai Headrush - I've got to have a looper somewhere) Z-Vex Woolly Mammoth bass fuzz Z-Vex Seek Wah Way Huge Blue Hippo analog chorus BigBriar Moogerfooger lowpass filter BigBriar analog delay Handsonic (for the loops, not necessarily as a live performance piece) Raagini Pro sampled - tanbura - in - a box E-Bow best, Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 18:53:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15763; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:52:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:52:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:51:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Greg House wrote: > > > This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you > > consider "key pieces"? Well, a real "key piece" of mine is my old Alesis MMT8 sequencer. I use it to automate panning for two Repeater tracks (sound clip at http://loopboy.tk ). This is a subtle effect but I like it a lot, since it doesn't take the attack out of the guitar sound. And it can be used on anything, not only the guitar. I like to play sax as well and I also have this, yet untried, concert concept of hidden microphones bringing audience noise into my loopers (did this with looong tape loops once and it was very funny). Oh, I almost forgot to tell that the sequencer is synced to the repeater - so all that rhythmic panning will follow any crazy tempo changes made. Best wishes Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 19:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17639; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:06:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:11:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Gig Spam Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be opening the show for one of my favorite musicians on the planet, Tony Levin and Band at the Rio Theater in Santa Cruz, Ca. on Tuesday April 16th. Playing with Tony will be original Peter Gabriel alumni, Jerry Marotta, and Larry Fast. I somehow weaseled my way on to the bill the last time they were in town, and they are letting me do it again. Damn, I better be good. Hope to see some of you there. Thanks Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 19:18:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18295; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:16:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020403001635.62822.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Gig Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "William R. Walker," wrote: > I'll be opening the show for one of my favorite musicians on the > planet, > Tony Levin and Band at the Rio Theater in Santa Cruz, Ca. Man, that's a show I'd love to see! Being stuck in the Kansas wastelands limits your possibilities. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 20:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22472; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:16:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:16:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.11997c.29dbb199@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:15:05 EST Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.11997c.29dbb199_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a7.11997c.29dbb199_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Live Setup these days is real simple and functional: Portable CD Disc-Man, Boss GT-3, Line 6/dl4, Epiphone Emperor Archtop, Carlo robelli J-100 - Jumbo Flat top-Acoustic 6 string w Dean Markley Insertable-Pickup+ The New Logo-Peavey Bandit with the Fauxtube setup and an E-bow & bkup 9volt batt. For Straight Ahead Jazz Gigs or coffee houses & even Philly Street Music, I will carry The Carlo robelli Jumbo w/pickup, a Battery Powered - Peavey 10watt Portable Amp, the Line6DL/4 with 2 bkup sets of D=Cell batteries along with The E-bow and a bkup 9volt batt. For Performance Art gigs where I gotta have a stereo sound, i will carry the GT3, DL4, GR=30, The Epiphone, The Carlo robelli Jumbu with Pickup, 2 Carlo Robelli 10watt Practice Amps (which for $29.00 USD and their performance, I couldn't be more pleased with these little amps). But these days, my lower back has been thanking me ever since i lieave the big stuff mixer, rack gear, at home. Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH BUY THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" www.mp3.com/akashmusic & www.akashmusic.com 215.592.9963 business phone 215.485.6128 mobile --part1_1a7.11997c.29dbb199_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Live  Setup these days is real simple and functional:

Portable CD Disc-Man, Boss GT-3, Line 6/dl4, Epiphone Emperor Archtop, Carlo robelli J-100 - Jumbo Flat top-Acoustic 6 string w Dean Markley Insertable-Pickup+ The New Logo-Peavey Bandit with the Fauxtube setup and an E-bow & bkup 9volt batt.

For Straight Ahead Jazz Gigs or coffee houses & even Philly Street Music, I will carry The Carlo robelli Jumbo w/pickup, a Battery Powered - Peavey 10watt Portable Amp, the Line6DL/4 with 2 bkup sets of D=Cell batteries along with The E-bow and a bkup 9volt batt.

For Performance Art gigs where I gotta have a stereo sound, i will carry the GT3, DL4, GR=30, The Epiphone, The Carlo robelli Jumbu with Pickup,  2 Carlo Robelli 10watt Practice Amps (which for $29.00 USD and their performance, I couldn't be more pleased with these little amps).

But these days, my lower back has been thanking me ever since i lieave the big stuff mixer, rack gear, at home.

Warm Regards,
John Price/AKASH
BUY THE NEW AKASH CD "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT"
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 --part1_1a7.11997c.29dbb199_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 20:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24139; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:58:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:58:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.64.84.3] From: "Dan Nerroth" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New to the scene Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:57:48 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 01:57:49.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4E3D3D0:01C1DAB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all- Been lurking on the list for a few weeks and thought I'd post. I'm looking to get a Jam Man but haven't had too much luck finding one. I've seen a few on ebay but I have been outbid each time. Does anybody know of any other paths I should explore to try a locate one? Any and all suggestions welcome. I'm also looking for a DigiTech XP-100 wah pedal. Thanks for your time, Dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 21:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26049; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:15:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:15:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dgoat@quik.com Message-ID: <3CAA64E2.4436F422@quik.com> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:11:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) References: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg House wrote: > This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you > consider "key pieces"? Guitar: Parker Nitefly SA Boxes: JD-10 (overdrive/distortion), Morley Volume/Wah, Line6 DL4 Amp: Fender Reissue 65 Deluxe Reverb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 21:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26984; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c1dab9$f397c7a0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: Subject: Re: New to the scene Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:47:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd forget the Jamman and get a Repeater. It's not that much more expensive. Those Jammen are still commanding too high a price to my mind, although I've always liked the delay on the unit. Or look at a Boomerang. They're in the Jamman price range. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Nerroth" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: New to the scene > Hi all- > > Been lurking on the list for a few weeks and thought I'd post. I'm looking > to get a Jam Man but haven't had too much luck finding one. I've seen a few > on ebay but I have been outbid each time. > > Does anybody know of any other paths I should explore to try a locate one? > Any and all suggestions welcome. I'm also looking for a DigiTech XP-100 wah > pedal. > > Thanks for your time, Dan > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 21:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27704; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:54:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:54:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: loops gigs in NYC Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:58:11 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1dac3$c6b4cc60$666e580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey there all - plugging for a home girl grace period. Symphonie Spastique degenerative music + experimental vidigeo @ Chama 8-10 pm tomorrow Wed. 4.3.02 332 east 4th street, nyc and on Thurs. I'll be performing at Chama at 9:30 p.m. I like smashings sounds utilizing Digitech delays and an EDP and will be doing my musical thing solo for who really knows how long and am expecting to be able to show up on time and play as is intended. with a smile. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 22:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30035; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:17:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:17:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:08:55 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1dac5$45ad91e0$666e580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com key: Selina (modded Berger) Digitech 7.6 mod switches ideal (and what I gig with): Selina Digitech 7.6 (x2) edp mod switches modded Sundown A50 best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Greg House To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) > >--- Dave Trenkel wrote: > >> Given with what I've had to deal with lately, both with my own setup >> and others, I'd sell almost everything but a few key pieces, and get >> down to making music with what's left! :-) > >This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you >consider "key pieces"? > >Greg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 22:18:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29921; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20020402221221.00a09b70@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:15:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --OT: looking for contact info-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody on the list know Robbie Rob, the electronic musician from Chicago? I know he was part of our little community a couple years ago. I'm looking for contact info for him. Please reply off-list if you can help. Thanks, peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 22:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30187; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Review: Pedro Felix at Chama 3.28.2002 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:21:35 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1dac7$0abead60$666e580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mike k- i'm real big on trading cd-r's if you're interested. among my cd's are: Existension, something rather new with me working out two Digitechs in real time, real whoomph ass stuff, and flaking the delays against an edp, just really going to town, its three tracks running at, I think 66 mins. D3- nine tracks of pretty varied tracks, just some ideas worked out with delays in varied order and experimenting with some switches that work rather well together. i'm a little farther away from that now playing wise, much more into the whoomph ass stuff :) so if you're interested i'd love to hear what kind of sounds you're making. if not, I also sell the discs but it almost defeats my purpose. tap me on or off list. best wishes, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, March 29, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Review: Pedro Felix at Chama 3.28.2002 >In a message dated 3/29/02 2:09:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, db@biink.com >writes: > > >> Who does the Pedro Felix Experience sound like? >> Sorta like Pauline Oliveros crossed with John Zorn or >> Elliott Sharp, but different - he sounds like himself. >> What I heard sounds like a kid abusing a turntable in realtime >> with guitar player from Mars as the source and that's good! >> > >there ya go!.....i want to hear it!.....michael k > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 22:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31095; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 3 Apr 2002 03:24:45 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: Re: Gig: Tim and Matthias in San Francisco X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:24:43 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: seemso@directvinternet.com Message-Id: <20020402192445.27508.c007-h003.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is that our set? just kiddin. this looks good but don't forget to mention that at ten pm Minna will be charging at the door. $8. full bar full art i had a blast at loopstock thanks to everyone involved i still feel the wave. . . tim Matthias Grob wrote > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Message-Id: > From: Matthias Grob > Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:07:37 -0500 > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18274 > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:07:25 -0800 > Received: (cpmta 8148 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 15:10:56 -0800 > Received: from 207.228.238.9 (HELO hemlock.violacea.com) > by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.205) with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 15:10:56 -0800 > Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12806; > Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:07:37 -0500 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > Resent-Message-Id: > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > X-Received: 2 Apr 2002 23:10:56 GMT > Subject: Gig: Tim and Matthias in San Francisco > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: directvinternet.com%seemso@directvinternet.com > Return-Path: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Old-Return-Path: > > Thursday, April 4th, 7pm, Minna Gallery opens the exposition of > SURACER, 8 female artists works about multidimensional experiences. > > At 7pm, I start to loop the background and maybe some spontaneous > interpretation of the art exposition. Alien Sugar (= Tim Crowe, also > on this list) will come in with light looped percussion and make it > grow until: > At 10pm - 2am it turns into a dancing party with Samira spinning > vinyl and Alien Sugar looping and filtering percussion. > > Minna Gallery is between 2nd and new Montgomery > http://www.111minnagallery.com/ > > > Is that all correct, Tim? > > This may be the only time I play in San Francisco, and its a nice > space and Tim is a great friend, so dont miss it! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 2 23:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02559; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:50:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:50:12 -0800 Subject: Re: --OT: new Electrix EQKillers for $70-- From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c1d65c$997b3b50$420e88cf@stevespc> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EQKiller can be really nice to put post-looper in the signal chain assuming that you've got the looper on a parallel FX loop. In my non-minimalist rig, I do this so that I can have the loop fill just part of the audio spectrum. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 03:07:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15494; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 03:06:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 03:06:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017c01c1dae6$59c069c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Gig Spam Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:05:28 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! Yikes! Reportedly they're ALL great chaps to be around. I've read some reports on the Manzanera site that Tony and Co. like to come early and see the opening act as well. Wow. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 01:11 AM Subject: Gig Spam > I'll be opening the show for one of my favorite musicians on the planet, > Tony Levin and Band at the Rio Theater in Santa Cruz, Ca. on Tuesday April > 16th. Playing with Tony will be original Peter Gabriel alumni, Jerry > Marotta, and Larry Fast. I somehow weaseled my way on to the bill the last > time they were in town, and they are letting me do it again. Damn, I better > be good. > Hope to see some of you there. > Thanks > Bill > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 05:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23527; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:16:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:16:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <49.1b2767a0.29dc3040@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:15:28 EST Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I see a few different models- there is a digital one etc- any that are > better/worse? > Hi Cliff, I've been messing about with the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024. Has a very nice sub oct patch. It can produce a synthetic bass note which tracks the lowest note from the guitar, (but allows chords to be played normally). You can decide "how far up the neck" you want the effect to go. This sounds like one of those octave stomp boxes, except that in only works on the lowest notes. Tracking is excellent. Also on the same patch there's also a sort of subharmonic generator which works even if your speakers don't go down far enough, (tricks the ear into hearing a fundamental that isn't really there). This is very smooth and transparent. Makes the guitar sound bigger and more bassy. I haven't tried the DBX units, so can't give you a comparison, but the Behringer would seem to have more options. (and a cheapo harmoniser if you want to do sub-oct that way on occasion) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 05:22:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23902; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:21:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:22:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1daf9$7d1dc760$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49.1b2767a0.29dc3040@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andy- I will definitely have to check it out- the tracking of lowest bass note while still playing chords sounds VERY cool- my DOD Octave won't be missed. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth > I see a few different models- there is a digital one etc- any that are > better/worse? > Hi Cliff, I've been messing about with the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024. Has a very nice sub oct patch. It can produce a synthetic bass note which tracks the lowest note from the guitar, (but allows chords to be played normally). You can decide "how far up the neck" you want the effect to go. This sounds like one of those octave stomp boxes, except that in only works on the lowest notes. Tracking is excellent. Also on the same patch there's also a sort of subharmonic generator which works even if your speakers don't go down far enough, (tricks the ear into hearing a fundamental that isn't really there). This is very smooth and transparent. Makes the guitar sound bigger and more bassy. I haven't tried the DBX units, so can't give you a comparison, but the Behringer would seem to have more options. (and a cheapo harmoniser if you want to do sub-oct that way on occasion) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 06:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28954; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:35:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <49.1b2767a0.29dc3040@aol.com> References: <49.1b2767a0.29dc3040@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 03:35:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I see a few different models- there is a digital one etc- any that are >> better/worse? >> > >Hi Cliff, >I've been messing about with the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024. >Has a very nice sub oct patch. >It can produce a synthetic bass note which tracks the lowest note >from the guitar, (but allows chords to be played normally). >You can decide "how far up the neck" you want the effect to go. >This sounds like one of those octave stomp boxes, except that >in only works on the lowest notes. >Tracking is excellent. > > >Also on the same patch there's also a sort of subharmonic generator >which works even if your speakers don't go down far enough, >(tricks the ear into hearing a fundamental that isn't really there). >This is very smooth and transparent. Makes the guitar sound >bigger and more bassy. > >I haven't tried the DBX units, so can't give you a comparison, but the >Behringer would seem to have more options. (and a cheapo harmoniser >if you want to do sub-oct that way on occasion) looks like an interesting unit... and probably cheap ;-) I had planned to do a digital version of the Polysubbass for a long time so I wonder how his one works. The idea is the same. But mine only works with separate strings. You say: "only works on the lowest notes." I hardly ever switch my Polysubbass off. Does this unit allow to combine it with most other effects? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 09:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09730; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:55:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:56:20 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello all-i was wondering if you would mind answering a question for me-i have been using my repeater/dl4 live for awhile now with just one open mic that is inserted deep into my waterphone-recently i have been working on a project at home that involves 5 open mics and my mixer-my question is this: what possible problems should i look for? i do not want to get caught in a feedback loop.. i really do not want to compress my audio at all either as it fights against my sound aesthetic quite a bit-any of you have some suggestions or stories to share? thanks in advance c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 10:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11612; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:07:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:07:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:06:52 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam: Night Of The Fretless Guitar, Saturday April 6th [Seattle] From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Night Of The Fretless Guitar: Ned Evett, Tom Baker and Franck Vigroux 7:30PM, Saturday April 6th Seattle Circle House (603 NW 65th Street), Seattle WA The Seattle Circle is very pleased to present a special performance by Ned Evett (Boise), Tom Baker (Seattle) and Franck Vigroux (France) on Saturday, April 6th. All three musicians will be performing on fretless guitars, in both solo and ensemble contexts. And, there will be looping. Earlier that afternoon (3PM) the trio will be offering a workshop on the fretless guitar at the Experience Music Project Sound Lab. For more information see: www.fretlessguitar.com and www.seattlecircle.com Travis Hartnett Seattle Circle Performance Coordinator -- Seattle Circle: A non-profit corporation to develop and promote appreciation of music in the Puget Sound area through education, workshops and music events. http://www.seattlecircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 10:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12374; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:15:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:15:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040501c1db22$3bad2ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:14:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Christopher! Wicked situation... suggestions: 1) Use as few open mics as possible. Perhaps one wireless mic that you wear is better than several stationary mics. If you can, keep unused mics off or padded down. I use the pad switches on my Tascam board. (Most of the time I actually remember to unpad them before I use them...) 2) Keep the mics away from your monitors. At least have the "dead-side" of the mics pointed at the monitors. If possible, use headphones or earphones to monitor. 3) Keep the monitor volume as low as possible. I find small, mic-stand-mounted monitors work better than floor monitors, at least as far as reducing feedback. 4) Stay behind the house speakers. Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? > hello all-i was wondering if you would mind answering a > question for me-i have been using my repeater/dl4 live for > awhile now with just one open mic that is inserted deep > into my waterphone-recently i have been working on a > project at home that involves 5 open mics and my mixer-my > question is this: what possible problems should i look > for? i do not want to get caught in a feedback loop.. i > really do not want to compress my audio at all either as > it fights against my sound aesthetic quite a bit-any of > you have some suggestions or stories to share? > thanks in advance > c. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 10:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13489; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:32:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:32:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRowkRd0PRi8a3fsWLFUeC6QEXMXgIUe/9ixxDNGxhWILClB7cMPpa3FVY= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:32:15 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: O.T. faster didgeridoo playing Message-ID: <24269-3CAB207F-275@storefull-2351.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-27035-104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --WebTV-Mail-27035-104 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit For the didge players on the list. This helped me alot. Bill/Las Vegas --WebTV-Mail-27035-104 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-8.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.45) by storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-102-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 75B2D139; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:02:55 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: billybuddha@webtv.net Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by smtpin-102-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id A3931190 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from RRDusek@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id a.96.f51ebff (4468); Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:59:55 -0500 (EST) From: RRDusek@aol.com Message-ID: <96.f51ebff.27a74feb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:59:55 EST Subject: Fwd: faster didgeridoo playing To: MAlber@email.msn.com, billybuddha@webtv.net, kfsears@worldnet.att.net, jsnyder@atech.org, fotonewz@lvcablemodem.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_96.f51ebff.27a74feb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 85 --part1_96.f51ebff.27a74feb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_96.f51ebff.27a74feb_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb01.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:01:00 -0500 Received: from smtpmta1.lvvwd.com (smtpmta1.lvvwd.com [198.22.184.12]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:00:36 -0500 Received: by smtpmta1.lvvwd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 882569E3.0052C5F2 ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:04:06 -0800 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LVVWD From: Rick.Dusek@lvvwd.com To: rrdusek@aol.com Message-ID: <882569E3.0052C4B2.00@smtpmta1.lvvwd.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 06:58:19 -0800 Subject: faster didgeridoo playing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I ran across this post (http://www.garply.com/harp-l/archives/harp-l-digest/October/0511.html), authored by Winslow Yerxa, of the Harmonica Information Press. It covers double and triple tonguing in a really clear way, and almost all of it applies to didge playing directly. Applying these techniques increased my tongue speed instantly. Uh, what are you all looking at? ;->) Samuel Gravina marvels at Steve Baker's speed on a particular lick, and wonders how he can tongue so fast: If I put my harp down and just try to say "da - da - da - da" that fast I eventually fail. There's an easier way. What you describe is called single tongueing. There are also double and triple tongueing: Ta - ka, Ta - ka (double) Ta - ka - ta, Ta - ka - ta (triple) These have been in use by brass and woodwind players for centuries. However, I find the "T" and "K" consonants can cause a couple of problems. - The front-of-mouth chamber formed with the "K" consonant has a specific resonance - it's the same chamber formed when bending - and if the resonance doesn't match the ptich of the reed being played, it won't sound. Consequently the T - K combination requires practice so that notes will not refuse to speak. - The T - K consonants are formed in two different places on the tongue - the "T" at the front, the "K" farther back, so the tongue has to do a "toe-heel" dance to alternate them. This helps avoid singloe point fatigue but is also a speed limiter. While the T - K combination can be marvellously percussive on the harmonica, sometimes it's too percussive. I have an alternate method that is smoother and easier to do. It involves the nonsense word "duddle," as in: Da - dl - a - dl (double) Da - dl - a, da - dl - da (triple) The "a" all by intself is articulated nicely by the "dl" preceding and the "d" following. You could say "da - dl - da", but I find that extra "d" isn't really necessary. The beauty of the Duddle syllable is that you can get two "hits" from one touch. Every time you touch the tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth, you get two articulations, instead of just one like with "T" or "K." When you say the first "Duh" you touch not only the tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth, but enough of the front rim of your tongue to completely cut off the airflow. The you drop your tongue and let the air through for the "uh" part. Repeating this would be virtually the same as the "ta - ta - ta" you find hard to sustain. Now come back and say "uddle," and pay attention to what your tongue does. It rises to the roof of your mouth and seals off the air flow completely, for the "D" part. But for the following "L" part, the tip of the tongue STAYS PUT while the sides disengage from contact with the roof. Both "D" and "L" touch the tip of the tongue to the roof of the mouth. The only difference is that "D" adds the neighboring areas to stop the airflow. It's possible to play and even bend while holding an "L" sound - it changes the tone a little. Saying the "D" gives you the first hit. Dropping to the "L" gives you the second hit, with minimal motion. Once precaution for all the front-of-mouth tongue articulations, including "T," "D," and "L" - move them back from the teeth. Hitting the back of the teeth - for me at least - stretches the tongue out of its normal orbit and also interferes with the airflow. I like to touch my tongue to the "shoreline" area - the edge of flat space behind the teeth just before the roof heads steeply into deep waters. YMMV (your mouth may vary). By Winslow Yerxa Hope this helps promote didgeridoo playing, domestic relations, and World Peace. --part1_96.f51ebff.27a74feb_boundary-- --WebTV-Mail-27035-104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 10:40:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14000; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:39:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:39:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c1db25$90304540$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <040501c1db22$3bad2ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: silly mic idea (was Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback?) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:38:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i was just thinking, what if you had a way (gating, whatevah) to trigger different mics (but only one or two at a time) in sync to something? if you had a triggerable quad gate, for example, you could use a four way panner controlled by LFO or tap or something to send a trigger tone into each of the four gates in sequence. unnecessarily complicated perhaps ... not really any help with your issue, but i think it might be neato ... mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? > Hi Christopher! > > Wicked situation... > > suggestions: > 1) Use as few open mics as possible. Perhaps one wireless mic that you wear > is better than several stationary mics. > If you can, keep unused mics off or padded down. I use the pad switches on > my Tascam board. (Most of the time I actually remember to unpad them before > I use them...) > > 2) Keep the mics away from your monitors. At least have the "dead-side" of > the mics pointed at the monitors. If possible, use headphones or earphones > to monitor. > > 3) Keep the monitor volume as low as possible. I find small, > mic-stand-mounted monitors work better than floor monitors, at least as far > as reducing feedback. > > 4) Stay behind the house speakers. > > Hope this helps. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:56 AM > Subject: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? > > > > hello all-i was wondering if you would mind answering a > > question for me-i have been using my repeater/dl4 live for > > awhile now with just one open mic that is inserted deep > > into my waterphone-recently i have been working on a > > project at home that involves 5 open mics and my mixer-my > > question is this: what possible problems should i look > > for? i do not want to get caught in a feedback loop.. i > > really do not want to compress my audio at all either as > > it fights against my sound aesthetic quite a bit-any of > > you have some suggestions or stories to share? > > thanks in advance > > c. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 11:12:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17293; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:10:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAB290A.EE9CA25C@pa.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:08:42 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) References: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6VyLqC.A.xNE.Glyq8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg House wrote: > -This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you > consider "key pieces"? Chroma Polaris as a controller since I can split the keyboard into two MIDI channels. Roland TR-808s, master clock as well as drum sounds. Arp Odysseys and Avatars, triggered by the 808s. Emu Vintage Keys Plus. Lexicon Vortexes. Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay. Etherwave Theremin. Mellotron M400. (for studio only, it won't fit in the car) John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 11:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18128; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020403162456.20852.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: tony levin in cleveland tonight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204031457.JAA09981@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if anyone else will be at the tony levin show tonight, i'll be sporting the looper's delight shirt. 5'10", clippercut hair, goatee. stop and say hello. peace, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 11:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18129; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:25:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:25:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Wed, 3 Apr 02 10:29:45 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:23:36 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Key equipment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was this thread about key pieces for looping or just...? me. chapman stick. carvin stagemate. erm....and a tuner :) if I'm not going battery-powered, an alesis wedge is nice. -K >>> mcintyre@pa.msu.edu 04/03/02 10:08AM >>> Greg House wrote: > -This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you > consider "key pieces"? Chroma Polaris as a controller since I can split the keyboard into two MIDI channels. Roland TR-808s, master clock as well as drum sounds. Arp Odysseys and Avatars, triggered by the 808s. Emu Vintage Keys Plus. Lexicon Vortexes. Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay. Etherwave Theremin. Mellotron M400. (for studio only, it won't fit in the car) John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 11:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19334; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:43:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAB30E3.A9274682@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:42:11 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth References: <200204031457.JAA09980@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll add my two cents to this discussion before somebody buys the Wrong Thing and gets disappointed. I can't remember who originally asked about this one, but I think he'll want an octave divider, not a subharmonic synthesizer, for tweaking with sounds. I use the dbx 120xp (the previous model) Subharmonic Synthesizer, and I like it a lot. I run it on my main mix before the crossover to fatten out the bottom end, and it's great for that as long as your subs can handle it. However, the dbx 120 only analyzes 54-110 Hz to generate its sub-octaves; so it's nice on, say, bass or kick drum or tuba, but otherwise it won't touch anything over 110 Hz. I'm guessing from the available Peavey literature that the Kosmos is pretty much the same thing, plus a spatializer. -Hans > > I see a few different models- there is a digital one etc- any that are > > better/worse? > > > > Hi Cliff, > I've been messing about with the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024. > Has a very nice sub oct patch. > It can produce a synthetic bass note which tracks the lowest note > from the guitar, (but allows chords to be played normally). > You can decide "how far up the neck" you want the effect to go. > This sounds like one of those octave stomp boxes, except that > in only works on the lowest notes. > Tracking is excellent. > > Also on the same patch there's also a sort of subharmonic generator > which works even if your speakers don't go down far enough, > (tricks the ear into hearing a fundamental that isn't really there). > This is very smooth and transparent. Makes the guitar sound > bigger and more bassy. > > I haven't tried the DBX units, so can't give you a comparison, but the > Behringer would seem to have more options. (and a cheapo harmoniser > if you want to do sub-oct that way on occasion) > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 11:55:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19981; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:54:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:54:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.1919d3.29dc8d82@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:53:22 EST Subject: cd trade.....i luvs new music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pedro.....ill send you my newest offings, a full c.d. of my stuff "THE M KLOBUCHAR BAND" music.....its becoming somewhat '"ambient" much to my surprise, im moving away from the guitar and using my air synth/fx and casio cz 5000.....send me your address and ill get it off to ya in a day or so.....cant wait to give your tunes a listen.....michael klobuchar 352 grace st. pittsburgh pa. 15211 p.s. anyone else up for a trade (i cant listen to mp3s or stuff on the puter so i know im missing a world of tunes) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 12:01:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21575; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:00:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.949daa4.29dc8eed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:59:25 EST Subject: Re: cd trade.....i luvs new music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike, In a message dated 4/3/02 8:54:18 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >p.s. anyone else up for a trade (i cant listen to mp3s or stuff on the >puter so i know im missing a world of tunes) You were so kind as to buy one of my CDs at Loopstock the least I can do is return the favor. Since a trade is no longer an option how much will you sell one for? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 12:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22347; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:12:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:12:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020403171158.98763.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: New to the scene To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007501c1dab9$f397c7a0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Butch wrote: > I'd forget the Jamman and get a Repeater. It's not that much more > expensive. > Those Jammen are still commanding too high a price to my mind, > although I've > always liked the delay on the unit. Or look at a Boomerang. They're > in the Jamman price range. The problem with the Jamman is that it's been discontinued for a long time now, so finding one is difficult. Plus, units like the EDP and the Repeater add a more features/functionality for a fair price, as previously said, not much more then a used Jamman. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 12:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22343; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:12:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:12:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:11:19 EST Subject: Re: cd trade.....i luvs new music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e5.161cf2b0.29dc91b7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e5.161cf2b0.29dc91b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 12:00:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Since a trade is no longer an option how much > will you sell one for? > ted.....my stuff is pretty "priceless".....sure!.....my cds have no art work or anything, its just a bunch-o-tunes.....the esteemed mr. rickardo walker has a copy that he must pass on but if you are not planning on seeing him anytime soon send me your address and ill get one off to ya, then you can return the flavor in the future.....michael k --part1_e5.161cf2b0.29dc91b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 12:00:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Since a trade is no longer an option how much
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ted.....my stuff is pretty "priceless".....sure!.....my cds have no art work or anything, its just a bunch-o-tunes.....the esteemed mr. rickardo walker has a copy that he must pass on but if you are not planning on seeing him anytime soon send me your address and ill get one off to ya, then you can return the flavor in the future.....michael k --part1_e5.161cf2b0.29dc91b7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 12:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23492; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:31:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 4/19 Show of music from field recordings in SF Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:30:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 17:30:17.0591 (UTC) FILETIME=[38CEC870:01C1DB35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I'll be presenting two intricately composed pieces of music created entirely from field recordings at this event. ---------- 964 NATOMA EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT : APRIL 19, 2002 ---------- Field Effects 3: a night of beauty made by the world Friday, April 19 964 Natoma, San Francisco, CA, USA Doors 8:00 pm, performance 8:30 pm sharp. $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- The world makes music, remember to listen. Field Effects 3 offers a night of prepared field recording compositions. The third in an ongoing series of concerts showcasing sound artists who work with found and quiet sounds, Field Effects 3 focuses on precomposed work (or 'tape music'). Work in this tradition is usually too complex, subtle or exacting to permit live 'performance.' At the same time, it is precisly these qualities that prevent it from being well reproduced in casual listening environments, where attention wanders and often only two speakers are available. For Field Effects 3, each work will be presented in person by the artist and tuned live to the space, high quality sound system, multiple speakers, and shared listening experience. The artists will also be available to answer questions about their work. Come out for a rare night of comfortable, communal deep listening! Field Effects 3 will feature sound work by artists steve roden, j. frede, Leticia Castaneda, Matt Davignon and Aaron Ximm (Quiet American). ----> About the artists: <---------------------------------------------- steve roden (LA) steve roden will present 'resonant cities,' a recent 45 minute work composed for kunst radio, and made up entirely of field recordings from cities around the world. the work explores roden's interest in the resonant wonders of intimate activities - a woolen scarf moving against a glass window in japan, a child kicking a tin can in greece coat hangers in a motel room closet in phoenix, the wind on parking lot lamp posts in palm springs... the work attempts to downplay the location-specific and the exotic aspect of the source material in order to achieve something closer to abstraction - to a purer listening experience that allows one to focus on the sound rather than the source. steve roden is a visual and sound artist from los angeles. he has recently shown his visual work at the UCLA Hammer Museum of Art and will create a large scale site specific sound installation for the Stadgalerie Museum in Saarbrucken, Germany in September. http://www.inbetweennoise.com Leticia Castaneda (LA) Leticia Castaneda is interested in the sound that remains when the mind shuts off. Her work is composed from moments of extreme external confusion and/or deep innate clarity, which are combined to build a dramatic pause of time and sound. The intent is to reveal the process of integrating the things one cannot control: like a society bombarded within technological ambivalence; or the attempt to be quiet, though surrounded by existence. j. frede (LA) j.frede creates subtle listening environments using multiple cd players and very small speakers. He is currently working with field recordings of natural and urban environments, sine wave frequencies, and digital compositions built using acoustic sounds. Frede's work is always informed by the acoustic space it is presented in. j.frede has performed at festivals around the world, and his work has been presented at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Denver, the Boulder Museum of Contemporary Art, and the Fisk Planetarium. http://www.ritualdocument.com Matt Davignon (Oakland) Matt Davignon uses handheld cassette recorders to collect sounds from the San Francisco Bay Area. Primarily an improvisationalist, for Field Effects 3 Matt will present meditative compositions that reveal hidden nuances of our common soundscape through the careful application of specific processes. http://www.mp3.com/field_recordings (Tape Recorder) Quiet American (SF) Field Effects host Aaron Ximm intends his Quiet American project to remind us to listen to the music made by the world. Sounds from his journeys around the world will be fragmented and juxtaposed to emphasize the telling, lovely or unexpected moments we so often forget to hear. For this evening, Aaron will introduce new work composed from sound form his recent travels in Asia. http://www.quietamerican.org The Field Effects series showcases artists who are interested in framing the hidden beauty of the everyday world: beauty on the surface, awaiting our attention. Beauty that must be delicately extracted. And beauty in potential, awaiting juxtaposition, collage, repetition and mutilation. Field recordings are made out in the world, not the studio. Fair game: machines, animals, weather, vehicles, buskers, hawkers, hawks, preachers, telephones, taxis, and the mad. (Things have voices: do you hear?) Seating mostly on futons to encourage comfortable deep listening. Depending on weather, hot or cold drinks will be available. ----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ 964 Natoma (between 10th and 11th, and Mission and Howard) San Francisco, CA 94103 A few blocks from Civic Center BART. One block from Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. Questions? Contact Aaron at ghede@well.com. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 12:36:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23814; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:34:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:34:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:33:40 -0800 Subject: Re: New to the scene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020403171158.98763.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I suggested a JamMan because I figured with the Repeater, DL4, Boomerang and Echoplex in production, prices would have come down to earth. I wouldn't pay more than $200 for one. Mark On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 09:11 AM, Greg House wrote: > > --- Butch wrote: >> I'd forget the Jamman and get a Repeater. It's not that much more >> expensive. >> Those Jammen are still commanding too high a price to my mind, >> although I've >> always liked the delay on the unit. Or look at a Boomerang. They're >> in the Jamman price range. > > The problem with the Jamman is that it's been discontinued for a long > time now, so finding one is difficult. Plus, units like the EDP and the > Repeater add a more features/functionality for a fair price, as > previously said, not much more then a used Jamman. > > Greg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 12:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25057; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:52:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:52:14 -0800 Subject: MIDI footpedal Controller on ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <87D9D796-472B-11D6-817E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <8J-vEB.A.YGG.QF0q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I put my Yamaha MIDI pedal on ebay, for those interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=855010728 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 13:06:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26885; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:05:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:05:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:03:58 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #207 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26828 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy (=me) said > >I've been messing about with the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024. > >Has a very nice sub oct patch. > >It can produce a synthetic bass note which tracks the lowest note > >from the guitar, (but allows chords to be played normally). > >You can decide "how far up the neck" you want the effect to go. > >This sounds like one of those octave stomp boxes, except that > >in only works on the lowest notes. Matthias said > > looks like an interesting unit... and probably cheap ;-) £109 GBP > I had planned to do a digital version of the Polysubbass for a long > time so I wonder how his one works. The idea is the same. But mine > only works with separate strings. > > You say: "only works on the lowest notes." > I hardly ever switch my Polysubbass off. Does this unit allow to > combine it with most other effects? It has a Low Pass Filter before the sub-oct generator. which just produces a synth tone, without even an envelope very effective, although you can't get just the sub-oct andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 13:10:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27237; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:08:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:08:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:09:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CAB30E3.A9274682@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for whatever it's worth... i have the dbx unit with the wood sides (the earlier , non-tweakable version) and i think it sounds great. i had a client in the studio last month with the cosmos, and while it had some strong points, it was still PEAVEY, (that is to say it almost worked great...) the dbx is a lot less flexible but actually sounds great.. in my opinion.. monk on 4/3/02 11:42 AM, Hans Lindauer at hans@ERNIEBALL.COM wrote: > I'll add my two cents to this discussion before somebody buys the Wrong > Thing and gets disappointed. > > I can't remember who originally asked about this one, but I think he'll > want an octave divider, not a subharmonic synthesizer, for tweaking with > sounds. > > I use the dbx 120xp (the previous model) Subharmonic Synthesizer, and I > like it a lot. I run it on my main mix before the crossover to fatten > out the bottom end, and it's great for that as long as your subs can > handle it. > > However, the dbx 120 only analyzes 54-110 Hz to generate its > sub-octaves; so it's nice on, say, bass or kick drum or tuba, but > otherwise it won't touch anything over 110 Hz. I'm guessing from the > available Peavey literature that the Kosmos is pretty much the same > thing, plus a spatializer. > > -Hans > > >>> I see a few different models- there is a digital one etc- any that are >>> better/worse? >>> >> >> Hi Cliff, >> I've been messing about with the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024. >> Has a very nice sub oct patch. >> It can produce a synthetic bass note which tracks the lowest note >> from the guitar, (but allows chords to be played normally). >> You can decide "how far up the neck" you want the effect to go. >> This sounds like one of those octave stomp boxes, except that >> in only works on the lowest notes. >> Tracking is excellent. >> >> Also on the same patch there's also a sort of subharmonic generator >> which works even if your speakers don't go down far enough, >> (tricks the ear into hearing a fundamental that isn't really there). >> This is very smooth and transparent. Makes the guitar sound >> bigger and more bassy. >> >> I haven't tried the DBX units, so can't give you a comparison, but the >> Behringer would seem to have more options. (and a cheapo harmoniser >> if you want to do sub-oct that way on occasion) >> >> andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 13:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27424; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:09:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:09:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:05:34 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:56 AM -0500 4/3/02, Christopher White wrote: >recently i have been working on a project at home that involves 5 >open mics... what possible problems should i look for? Assuming the rest of your acoustic instrumental battery is comparable to the Waterphone with respect to dynamics, you probably don't have much to worry about as long as you observe some basic sound reinforcement practices: Keep your mics out of the sound field of the speakers. If you're using directional mics and you're using stage monitor speakers, keep the the mics pointed away from the speakers. Keep the mics as close as is practical to the sound sources. If multiple directional mics are placed near to each other, be careful of phase cancellation effects. Pan them to opposite sides of a stereo mix. If you're mixing in mono and there's a problem, try flipping polarity on one mic, or try using mismatched mics. If you're using dynamic mics, be aware of proximity effect (more bass sensitivity closer to the mic). Watch out for resonances in the performance area. [True story - I was once called on to help get rid of a feedback problem for a Phil Glass piece for amplified tympani and amplified double bass. The instruments were set up in a tiny shoe box shaped stage area in a multifunction room. The sound reinforcement system provided consisted of a pair of vocal mics plugged into a pair of Peavey guitar amps. All I could do was to turn the amps so the speakers didn't point directly toward the mics and then use the woefully inadequate amp tone controls to roll off problem frequencies. I got rid of the feedback at the expense of most of the tone of the bass. After the performance Phil remarked that he'd never heard a bass sound like a Farfisa organ before. If you have a set of noise gates you could try putting them into the inserts of the mixer input channels. PS - I'll be doing a presentation for EAAA in Atlanta on May 20. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 13:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28114; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:18:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:18:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:17:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >for whatever it's worth... i have the dbx unit with the wood sides (the >earlier , non-tweakable version) and i think it sounds great. i had a client >in the studio last month with the cosmos, and while it had some strong >points, it was still PEAVEY, (that is to say it almost worked great...) > >the dbx is a lot less flexible but actually sounds great.. in my opinion.. > I have the later, more tweakable DBX unit, and it also sounds great. It's very handy for adding subtle heaviness to a mix w/out becoming overbearing, I've used it to master a number of bass-weak mixes. Also, I use it regularly on kick drum and bass, particularly when I'm feeling Laswellian... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 13:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28440; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:21:41 -0800 Subject: Re: silly mic idea (was Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006f01c1db39$9b735410$6445230a@melon> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I returned my Roland Groove Effects, as I thought it was... I can't put a finger on it, but I didn't like it much. Couldn't seem to get a big variation of sounds out of it. For cheap, you might try and Alesis AirFX. I love mine. I paid $149, but I think they usually go for $200. My wife uses a Korg KAOSS pad, and that baby's a classic for sure. Again, cheap at $219. I'm VERY psyched about the KAOSS pad II that's been announced (anyone know when that will be released?) It's especially interesting to me, as it takes a MIDI clock and basis it's effects on the clock. Will also do beat detect and base the effects on that if you'd like. I think this might just replace the AirFX and Vortex in my rig. Mark On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 10:01 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > oh yeah, i was checking out the cheap roland grooveeffects unit > just for incidental stuff like that. i've wanted to do realtime > audio manipulations along the lines of Tuareg ever since i first > played with that program. the 'slicer' is equivalent to the > programmable gating function, now i'm just looking for a > realtime Recycle ;-) > > haven't sprung for it though yet, got enough to play with. what > other 'dj oriented' tools are you aware of? any specific > hardware solutions? i don't want to bring software on a pc to > any gigs right now ... > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: "Michael LaMeyer" > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: silly mic idea (was Open mics + Looper + > Live=Feedback?) > > >> there are lot's of DJ oriented tools that do an effect called > "Slicing" >> that more or less does what you're describing. It's pretty > cool for an >> occasional effect. >> >> Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 13:32:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28977; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:30:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:30:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:29:07 -0800 Subject: Re: silly mic idea (was Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, how could I forget? Get an Adrenalinn! it's another mono to stereo devices (one of my big pet peeves) but it's well worth it for about $270 retail. (don't buy it direct at $399!) I LOVE mine. Mark On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 10:21 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I returned my Roland Groove Effects, as I thought it was... I can't put > a finger on it, but I didn't like it much. Couldn't seem to get a big > variation of sounds out of it. For cheap, you might try and Alesis > AirFX. I love mine. I paid $149, but I think they usually go for $200. > > My wife uses a Korg KAOSS pad, and that baby's a classic for sure. > Again, cheap at $219. I'm VERY psyched about the KAOSS pad II that's > been announced (anyone know when that will be released?) It's > especially interesting to me, as it takes a MIDI clock and basis it's > effects on the clock. Will also do beat detect and base the effects on > that if you'd like. I think this might just replace the AirFX and > Vortex in my rig. > > Mark > > On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 10:01 AM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > >> oh yeah, i was checking out the cheap roland grooveeffects unit >> just for incidental stuff like that. i've wanted to do realtime >> audio manipulations along the lines of Tuareg ever since i first >> played with that program. the 'slicer' is equivalent to the >> programmable gating function, now i'm just looking for a >> realtime Recycle ;-) >> >> haven't sprung for it though yet, got enough to play with. what >> other 'dj oriented' tools are you aware of? any specific >> hardware solutions? i don't want to bring software on a pc to >> any gigs right now ... >> >> mike >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >> To: "Michael LaMeyer" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:48 PM >> Subject: Re: silly mic idea (was Open mics + Looper + >> Live=Feedback?) >> >> >>> there are lot's of DJ oriented tools that do an effect called >> "Slicing" >>> that more or less does what you're describing. It's pretty >> cool for an >>> occasional effect. >>> >>> Mark >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 13:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29577; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:37:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020403183643.48617.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:36:43 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re:Tony Levin in Cleveland tonight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204031736.MAA24118@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> In my case, just look for the brown haired guy who looks too young to know who Tony Levin is. ;-) Seriously, I'll be wearing silver shoes, and probably a Larks Tongues In Aspic shirt and carrying a bag with goodies that I'm hoping to have Tony sign (mainly just the Three Of A Perfect Pair cover, but I may decide to bring a couple others at the last minute). I'm about 6 feet tall, and a bit on the non-anorexic looking side, if you know what I mean. ;-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 14:22:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00690; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:20:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020403192013.12976.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:20:13 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020402224410.89243.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com first off, kudos to greg for creating a thread that everyone seems to be interested in chiming in for and is not about cable directionality... > This presents an interesting topic for discussion. > What do all of you > consider "key pieces"? > > Greg > my rig is VERY basic, but very effective... - warwick fna corvette bass - boss auto-wah set to sound as an envelope filter - repeater with a digitech footswitch (although i'm about to make the move to the behringer for full footal control) i find that the most key piece in my rig is creativity...with all of the different music out there, it doesn't matter at all what your sound is going through as much as how you use it to create a unique voice...each piece of equipment is an instrument and an extension of what is available to you... was it really all about the shoes for jordan? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 15:36:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06028; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:35:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:35:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <178.63108e8.29dcc122@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:33:38 EST Subject: Re: cd trade. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <0QNRO.A.BdB.Md2q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, In a message dated 4/3/02 9:12:23 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >ted.....my stuff is pretty "priceless".....sure!.....my cds have no art work >or anything, its just a bunch-o-tunes.....the esteemed mr. rickardo walker >has a copy that he must pass on but if you are not planning on seeing him >anytime soon send me your address and ill get one off to ya, then you can >return the flavor in the future.....michael k Well, If I were closer to the Bay Area I'd love to see/hear all of those guys a lot more often. But I'm up in Oregon and pretty much out of the "loop" (pun intended). I have a collection of earlier stuff burned to CD-R that I could send you if you're interested. Or...I when I do some new stuff I could send an advance sample. My address is 1811 Patrick Street Medford, OR 97504 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 15:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07014; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:52:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:52:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.25aaa22e.29dcc52c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:50:52 EST Subject: Re: cd trade. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7c.25aaa22e.29dcc52c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <05eqcB.A.EtB.ct2q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7c.25aaa22e.29dcc52c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 3:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > when I do some new stuff I could send an advance > sample perfect.....michael --part1_7c.25aaa22e.29dcc52c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/02 3:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


when I do some new stuff I could send an advance
sample


perfect.....michael --part1_7c.25aaa22e.29dcc52c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12965; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:02:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:02:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403165604.02b38b20@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:00:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: aint no such thing as a "silly idea"... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...leastways, that's what my momma always said as we'd speed away from the banks we'd just robbed. anyway. "Michael LaMeyer" said: > hey i was just thinking, what if you had a way (gating, > whatevah) to trigger different mics (but only one or two at a > time) in sync to something? prob easier than you'd think using the "key" input on any 1/2way decent gate... just key the gate from an EQ that's dialed up to pass the particular frequency range you're miking. that's my momma on the post office wall... a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13557; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAyRX6FCjgQDS4G9JcvZlhuLzNMdQCFQCVDe3/tYOynCHunyP16ml0dXuMvA== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) Message-ID: <20759-3CAB7D95-686@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: John McIntyre 's message of Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:08:42 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Etherwave therimin? Where can I check one of those babies out? Thanks, Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:15:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13994; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:13:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:13:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:21:01 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) In-Reply-To: <20759-3CAB7D95-686@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, William Mcallister wrote: > Etherwave therimin? Where can I check one of those babies out? Thanks, > Bill/Las Vegas http://www.bigbriar.com/ Click on the Products link and look for the theremin. Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 17:37:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15323; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:36:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:35:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB5F.ED7E54A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB5F.ED7E54A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" While we are on topic of Moog stuff: Anyone ever use their Control Processor for CV? Looks super cool but it's not cheap... Ben -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, William Mcallister wrote: > Etherwave therimin? Where can I check one of those babies out? Thanks, > Bill/Las Vegas http://www.bigbriar.com/ Click on the Products link and look for the theremin. Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB5F.ED7E54A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1)

While we are on topic of Moog stuff:

Anyone ever use their Control Processor for CV? Looks super cool but it's not cheap...

Ben

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:21 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, William Mcallister wrote:

> Etherwave therimin? Where can I check one of those babies out? Thanks,
> Bill/Las Vegas

http://www.bigbriar.com/

Click on the Products link and look for the theremin.

Steve Burnett
burnett@pobox.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DB5F.ED7E54A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 18:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18346; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:14:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:14:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 00:13:27 +0100 Subject: Fretless guitar guys in Seattle... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Night Of The Fretless Guitar: Ned Evett, Tom Baker and Franck Vigroux 7:30PM, Saturday April 6th Seattle Circle House (603 NW 65th Street), Seattle WA The Seattle Circle is very pleased to present a special performance by Ned Evett (Boise), Tom Baker (Seattle) and Franck Vigroux (France) on Saturday, April 6th. All three musicians will be performing on fretless guitars, in both solo and ensemble contexts. And, there will be looping.<<< Can I just throw in a quick endorsement for both Franck and Ned's fretless playing (not heard Tom, but he might be fantastic as well... :o) - I've got a trio with Franck and a hand percussionist from near Paris, he's a fab musician, very creative indeed. Ned is also very good - gigs with a Boomerang often, and plays a rather unique fretless with a glass fingerboard - he recently opened for John Scofield. Definitely one not to miss, Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 20:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26091; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:08:11 -0500 (EST) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_TqdnD.A.RWG.3W6q8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Reid, Benjamin wrote: > While we are on topic of Moog stuff: > > Anyone ever use their Control Processor for CV? Looks super cool but it's > not cheap... > > Ben Yes, I have it as well. It's as super cool as you think it is. You can use it with an expression pedal to control 3 different CV parameters on the other moogerfoogers. So you only need 1 pedal + the CP + 3 cables instead of an expression pedal for each of the three moogerfooger pedals. Ok, so that's more expensive than three BB expression pedals, but it takes up less space on the floor. It's also great if you want an extra LFO (rate controllable by a exp. pedal) for any given parameter. I haven't used the CV mixder for anything, but the lag processor is great for smoothing out changes on either or both the rise & fall. The sample&hold is classic. best, Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 3 22:04:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32309; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:57:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:57:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c1db85$8013d040$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <7c.25aaa22e.29dcc52c@aol.com> Subject: Re: cd trade. Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:04:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0117_01C1DB5B.96F303A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C1DB5B.96F303A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, where's my copy of your stuff? Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: Re: cd trade. In a message dated 4/3/02 3:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, = ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: when I do some new stuff I could send an advance sample perfect.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C1DB5B.96F303A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, where's my copy of your = stuff?
 
Paul
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In a = message dated=20 4/3/02 3:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com = writes:


when I do some new stuff I could send an=20 advance
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perfect.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C1DB5B.96F303A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 08:07:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03731; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c1dbda$07838da0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: sample trigger software Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:09:57 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need a sample triggering software for "tape and string quartet" piece. What I would like to do is to be able to trigger 13 samples from my laptop keyboard. ( assigning every sample to a different key on the keyboard ) Can I use Sounforge or Acid for this? Or should I use software samplers? If I have to use software samplers, which one suits my purpose the best? Thanks a lot. Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 09:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06212; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:58:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:58:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: cd trade.....i luvs new music Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:02:35 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1dbe9$c0ff3c20$1e6b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <_aQH5B.A.7gB.NwFr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mike - many thanks! I will send you D3 (recording in Oct 2001) and maybe a track off of Existension or something else tomorrow. the music is recorded sans reverb and such and I am actually quite proud as to the tones i've been able to capture my address is: Pedro Felix 240 East 48th Street Apt 4R New York, New York 10017-1564 best wishes, Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: cd trade.....i luvs new music >pedro.....ill send you my newest offings, a full c.d. of my stuff "THE M >KLOBUCHAR BAND" music.....its becoming somewhat '"ambient" much to my >surprise, im moving away from the guitar and using my air synth/fx and casio >cz 5000.....send me your address and ill get it off to ya in a day or >so.....cant wait to give your tunes a listen.....michael klobuchar 352 grace >st. pittsburgh pa. 15211 > >p.s. anyone else up for a trade (i cant listen to mp3s or stuff on the puter >so i know im missing a world of tunes) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 09:28:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09054; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:21:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:21:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <115.f5c8a88.29ddbb1a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:20:10 EST Subject: Re: cd trade.....i luvs new music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pedro and ted.....you're out the door tamari.....thanks for the addresses.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 09:43:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10176; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: erdemhel@turk.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sample trigger software Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:39:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, SONAR 2.0 has the perfect soft synth for what you are looking to do. Cyclone DXi allows you to load up to 16 different ACID-format loops or wav files and trigger them from a MIDI keyboard, your computer keyboard, or mouse. If you include key/pitch & tempo data, you can also get the loops to follow the tempo and pitch changes of your project. This is a really cool synth with a lot more applications than what I just described: Check it out here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SR/SR2-DXi.html Just for the sake of full disclosure, I do work for Cakewalk. But I do really think you will love this synth. Carl Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: erdem helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@turk.net] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sample trigger software I need a sample triggering software for "tape and string quartet" piece. What I would like to do is to be able to trigger 13 samples from my laptop keyboard. ( assigning every sample to a different key on the keyboard ) Can I use Sounforge or Acid for this? Or should I use software samplers? If I have to use software samplers, which one suits my purpose the best? Thanks a lot. Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 10:05:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12796; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:03:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:03:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010801c1dbe9$95d65880$6a0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Key equipment (was: Fantasy Patching Exercise #1) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:01:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- >Greg House wrote: >> -This presents an interesting topic for discussion. What do all of you >> consider "key pieces"? I think that what key pieces are needed, change from one situation to another. The two basic situations are: 1. Live Performance 2. Studio And I'm sure that each basic situation can be subdivided into many pieces. Most of my performances require a sax only (I'm in a concert band) or a bass guitar only (I plug into the PA!). None of these situations require any looping. I'm currently preparing to return to Georgia for the Ricochet Dreams event in Okefenokee. Essential gear: slide lap guitar Fender Telecaster guitar Ebow Boss GT-5 pedal Akai Headrush Nord Modular keyboard Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Please see http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox/oke/oke2001.html#oke2001 for information about my first CD: "Okefenokee Dreams 2001" on the Neu Harmony and Quantum Records labels. It also features Free System Projekt (Marcel Engels), Dave Brewer, and 2/3 of AirSculpture (John Christian and Peter Ruczynski). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 10:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14723; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020404153421.18024.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: OT: Fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > Ned is also very good - gigs with a > Boomerang often, and plays a rather unique fretless with a glass > fingerboard I've heard samples of Ned's playing before and it's phenomenal. I do have one gear-related question though. I can understand the advantage of the glass fingerboard (brighter, better sustain), but how can this work in practice? Wouldn't it negate the effects of the trussrod? Isn't it fragile to travel with? There's a French company that makes a fretless guitar with a metal fingerboard. Seems like that would be more serviceable for the traveling musician. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 10:56:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15486; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:48:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:48:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020404154822.31018.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:48:22 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Gear setup/sequence question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020402231057.94841.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I'm replying to myself here, but... I've seen from msgs in other threads that others of you have similar equipment issues. How do you work around the mono-in/stereo-out problem in your rigs? How about the level mismatch issues? Of course, I suppose the ultimate answer is to buy better gear (which consistantly has stereo in/outs and runs at LINE level), but I see a lot of MI/prosumer type gear in the "key gear" lists you've sent around, so I'm sure many of you have fought these battles already. I guess adding a mixer would help to fix the level and interface problems. That way an aux send could go to each efx unit (at the level the device wants, returning at the level it returns at). This would give you more control over what's routed where. This would come at the expense of a lot more complexity and more weight (always a consideration as I get older). Greg --- Greg House wrote: > The GP-16 is mono-in/stereo-out, which means it has to go first in > the > chain, but I don't want it first because it does things like reverbs > and delays, which I want later on. > The Vortex has some interesting sounds, but it's not really designed > to work at line level, which messes up the Repeater, which wants line > level. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 11:28:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18694; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:19:01 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Gear setup/sequence question In-reply-to: <20020404154822.31018.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020404154822.31018.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:48 AM -0800 4/4/02, Greg House wrote: >How about the level mismatch issues? > >Of course, I suppose the ultimate answer is to buy better gear (which >consistantly has stereo in/outs and runs at LINE level) > >I guess adding a mixer would help to fix the level and interface >problems. For what I do a mixer is essential. Funnily enough, although my Eventide processors are stereo in and out I frequently feed one or more of them in mono. This is partly to do with an insufficient number of auxiliary sends on the mixer and partly to simplify my performance interface. My typical setup is optimized for processing of multiple sources from other musicians or from CD and tape playback. I "perform" the mixer and am constantly changing sends and returns to/from the processors. The more aux sends I'm using, the more I have to keep track of, so sending in mono makes a certain amount of sense. In addition, even though the Eventides have two inputs many of the algorithms sum the inputs to mono anyway! This is particularly true of the H3000, where some of the algorithms use the left input only (bad design that was fixed in later generations). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 11:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18677; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:27:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:27:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cf01c1dbf5$3a37f220$6a0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Gear setup/sequence question Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:24:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg House >> The GP-16 is mono-in/stereo-out, which means it has to go first in >> the >> chain, but I don't want it first because it does things like reverbs >> and delays, which I want later on. I have the GP-8 and have replaced it by the Boss GT-5 pedal board. I'd suggest that you use the GP-16 for tonal effects and let a nice Lexicon at the end of the chain handle the reverb. Of couse, you could always use the GT-16's reverb and phase or flange it by a stereo FX box later in the chain. That's a different sound from phasing or flanging the guitar and putting the reverb last. Could be interesting. I forgot. Is the GT-16 your only mono-in/stereo-out piece? Or are you trying to integrate more than one piece of this nature? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 11:34:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19445; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:33:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: SONAR guy? Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:32:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, that was me: carljacobson@cakewalk.com And the web address I posted was: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SR/SR2-DXi.html Best regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sweetriver Bellus [mailto:sweetriver@naflute.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SONAR guy? There was recently a message here from someone about/from the company who makes SONAR. I lost that message before I got the address. Can you eMail me with your address? Thanks- RSB ...and yes, I'm looping with Native American Flutes.... Robert Sweetriver Bellus Sweetriver Sounds - "Rediscovering Native American Flute" sweetriver@naflute.com www.naflute.com POB 1010, Calistoga, CA 94515 707.942.0101 Performance and Booking Information: www.naflute.com/RSB.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 11:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19080; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:28:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:28:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020404082425.00b4ad48@pop.calicom.net> X-Sender: spidey@pop.calicom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:27:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Robert Sweetriver Bellus Subject: SONAR guy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a mail server 66.81.12.230 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: sweetriver@naflute.com [66.81.12.230] X-Declude-Spoolname: D7ebf0b2.SMD X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Organization: Please send abuse reports to abuse@naflute.com.". Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was recently a message here from someone about/from the company who makes SONAR. I lost that message before I got the address. Can you eMail me with your address? Thanks- RSB ...and yes, I'm looping with Native American Flutes.... Robert Sweetriver Bellus Sweetriver Sounds - "Rediscovering Native American Flute" sweetriver@naflute.com www.naflute.com POB 1010, Calistoga, CA 94515 707.942.0101 Performance and Booking Information: www.naflute.com/RSB.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 12:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23008; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020404173550.54108.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Gear setup/sequence question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01cf01c1dbf5$3a37f220$6a0c5cd1@-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1xLyAD.A.pmF.47Ir8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Bill Fox wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg House > >> The GP-16 is mono-in/stereo-out > I have the GP-8 and have replaced it by the Boss GT-5 pedal board. I've heard good things about the GT pedal board series. I'd like to check one out sometime. > I'd suggest that you use the GP-16 for tonal effects and let a nice > Lexicon at the end of the chain handle the reverb. Yeah, I forgot to mention that I also have a Lex MPX-100 which occasionally makes it into my looping rig. Unfortunately, it plays doubletime and is usually set up in my recording rig. Kind of a hassle to have to move stuff around for different purposes. Right now, I primarily use the GP-16 for auto-filter and pitch shift type things. I like the fact that you can take the internal LFO or the touch sensitivity thing and assign 'em to control any parameter. I also use some of it's "weird" factory presets for background noises. Occasionally I use it's overdrive, but while I have the POD, I generally use it. If I had a foot pedal (exp pedal) for it, I'd probably use that a lot too. I'm planning on getting a midi foot controller to control several of these things. > I forgot. Is the GT-16 your only mono-in/stereo-out piece? Or are > you trying to integrate more than one piece of this nature? I'm also using a POD, but I'm not too strung out about using it purely in mono, since I haven't found it's effects to be something I use often (so far). Thanks, Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 12:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23901; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:51:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:51:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:52:17 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Fretless guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008301c1dc01$762e2c20$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020404153421.18024.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" > --- Steve Lawson wrote: > > > Ned is also very good - gigs with a > > Boomerang often, and plays a rather unique fretless with a glass > > fingerboard > > I've heard samples of Ned's playing before and it's phenomenal. > > I do have one gear-related question though. I can understand the > advantage of the glass fingerboard (brighter, better sustain), but how > can this work in practice? Wouldn't it negate the effects of the > trussrod? Isn't it fragile to travel with? > > There's a French company that makes a fretless guitar with a metal > fingerboard. Seems like that would be more serviceable for the > traveling musician. Viger. See also http://microtones.com * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 15:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03477; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:28:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:28:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jason Sawyer (Electrix)" To: "'analogue@hyperreal.org'" , "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" , "'mc505@yahoogroups.com'" , "'EMU-ESI32_and_4000@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Electrix units for sale directly from the Electrix online store Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:27:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, We've discovered a small quantity of Electrix Performance FX (Warp Factory, Mo-FX, EQ Killer and Filter Queen) and have added these to our online store! They are all new in box with full Electrix warranty. Only a couple of each, though, so act fast if you want one. http://www.electrixpro.com/purchase/store.html Cheers, Jason Sawyer Electrix Technical Support jason@electrixpro.com www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 16:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07160; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:25:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CAB30E3.A9274682@ernieball.com> References: <200204031457.JAA09980@hemlock.violacea.com> <3CAB30E3.A9274682@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:24:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1n5JfD.A.YvB.3SMr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >However, the dbx 120 only analyzes 54-110 Hz to generate its >sub-octaves; so it's nice on, say, bass or kick drum or tuba, but >otherwise it won't touch anything over 110 Hz. thats what I am speaking about: a few capacitors change that easily into the lower guitar range. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 16:38:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07859; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:36:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:35:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy! I did not finish my idea here: > > You say: "only works on the lowest notes." I wanted to ask whether it can really find the one lowest note (as Polysubbass) or just a low range (like dbx120 and such). In other words, if you feed it with two low notes, does it put out the woomering mix of the two or just the octave of the lower one? > > I hardly ever switch my Polysubbass off. Does this unit allow to >> combine it with most other effects? > >It has a Low Pass Filter before the sub-oct generator. >which just produces a synth tone, >without even an envelope > >very effective, although you can't get just the sub-oct This you may not have understood either: Its about the ability of the unit to generate several effects at once. If it can only creat the low bass with a special patch and no other effect simultaneously, its not so interesting, because some one like me would have to carry the thing arround just for the bass. Ideally, it should be always on plus any other effect chosen ;-) Or at least Bass and Reverb. Thank you! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 16:53:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08699; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:50:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:50:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020404214955.13123.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: eletrix filter factory question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have been looking into some analog effects for my rig recently and i stumbled across the filter factory. if i am a bass player (which i am) and i want to play my bass through this, is it possible? i looked on the electrix site, but it seems like i would need to run my signal through something else first (the site mentions a line6 POD). any and all help or guidance is appreciated. also, anyone out there use the filter queen? do you like it? and what do you use it with? sloopslo.. e va n|s sa b __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 17:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10331; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:00:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:00:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:59:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote about this at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/Acoustic.html and there are more articles on the tips page... >hello all-i was wondering if you would mind answering a question for >me-i have been using my repeater/dl4 live for awhile now with just >one open mic that is inserted deep into my waterphone-recently i >have been working on a project at home that involves 5 open mics and >my mixer-my question is this: what possible problems should i look >for? i do not want to get caught in a feedback loop.. i really do >not want to compress my audio at all either as it fights against my >sound aesthetic quite a bit-any of you have some suggestions or >stories to share? >thanks in advance >c. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 17:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12889; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:29:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:29:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Open mics + Looper + Live=Feedback? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:33:52 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks A lot Matthias On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:59:46 -0800 Matthias Grob wrote: >I wrote about this at >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/Acoustic.html >and there are more articles on the tips page... > > >>hello all-i was wondering if you would mind answering a >>question for me-i have been using my repeater/dl4 live >>for awhile now with just one open mic that is inserted >>deep into my waterphone-recently i have been working on a >>project at home that involves 5 open mics and my mixer-my >>question is this: what possible problems should i look >>for? i do not want to get caught in a feedback loop.. i >>really do not want to compress my audio at all either as >>it fights against my sound aesthetic quite a bit-any of >>you have some suggestions or stories to share? >>thanks in advance >>c. > > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 17:35:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12896; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:29:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:29:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Adrenalinn videos Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:17:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/adrenalinn.shtml#video Roger demos it, plays some cool gtr too. just doin my part to keep the gear lust workin' for the list... _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 17:41:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13527; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:34:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c1dbee$24aa3b40$20f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020404214955.13123.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: eletrix filter factory question Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:33:59 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <68Nx0B.A.BTD.UTNr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you're in the market for a filter, don't overlook the sherman. i own one and love it. by the way, if anybody has a mutator or knows where one is, please let me know. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 17:56:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14802; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:53:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CA7D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: eletrix filter factory question Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2B.8961D880" Resent-Message-ID: <42feHD.A.XlD.flNr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2B.8961D880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" there's one on harmony central right now - - $1,100 stig by the way, if anybody has a mutator or knows where one is, please let me know. -jim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2B.8961D880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: eletrix filter factory question

there's one on harmony central right now - - $1,100

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by the way, if anybody has a mutator or knows where one is, please let me
know.

-jim

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DC2B.8961D880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 20:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25289; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <192.4debdf1.29de59dd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:37:33 EST Subject: gig spam and back to basics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com went to a neat show this past saturday, knew some of the folk, got invited to play a show next thursday the 11th at the 31st. st pub in pittsburgh's colorful "strip district".....only played with one of the four folks in this quasi one show only group "the axis of evil", percussion, a fellow with a lap-top etc., my buddy nick probably on bass and i am going: alesis air synth--->boomerang--->alesis air fx--->fender "champ", i CANT WAIT!.....the temptation is there to take more stuff, i can resist, i can resist, i can resist.....i will give the bat-time next week for the event.....michael k n.p."stoic sex pro" a cd by maurice rickard, the above mentioned lap-top dude, serious, serious loopage.....play-mates at last.....now if they will only wear tinfoil hats From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 22:46:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01010; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:39:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:39:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:39:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mathias, I was the one who started this thread, not understanding how these devices work , and if they might be interesting to try on things like vocalizations that have very wet effects applied to them. I guess I'm still somewhat unclear on the capabilities of these tools. The impression I now have is that both the kosmos and the dbx120 analyze the incoming material and more or less synthisize audio that is an octave below the lowest(determined by some algorithm?) sounds of the incoming material. The kosmos does this stereo image enhancement thing, but most reviewers are not that impressed with that effect. Not sure exactly what the Polysubass can do, and if its a standalone processor like the others. I remain intersted in a device that might work as the dbx does, but perhaps also operate into a higher freq range without making the result muddy, etc. I'd like to use it for Stick and vocalizations - both with other effects applied to them, which could include pitch shifting. Would one of these units do this? modifications required? thanks! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) Andy! I did not finish my idea here: > > You say: "only works on the lowest notes." I wanted to ask whether it can really find the one lowest note (as Polysubbass) or just a low range (like dbx120 and such). In other words, if you feed it with two low notes, does it put out the woomering mix of the two or just the octave of the lower one? > > I hardly ever switch my Polysubbass off. Does this unit allow to >> combine it with most other effects? > >It has a Low Pass Filter before the sub-oct generator. >which just produces a synth tone, >without even an envelope > >very effective, although you can't get just the sub-oct This you may not have understood either: Its about the ability of the unit to generate several effects at once. If it can only creat the low bass with a special patch and no other effect simultaneously, its not so interesting, because some one like me would have to carry the thing arround just for the bass. Ideally, it should be always on plus any other effect chosen ;-) Or at least Bass and Reverb. Thank you! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 4 23:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04255; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:11:59 -0500 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 4/6: open open loop loop loop/tobi's last NY show (for now) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com open loop con-con-con-con-continues. At 1pm, Tobi Joi plays his last open loop show for the moment with more Alp Horn and guitar and stuff through the classic Echoplex Digital Pro looper. After that, it's more live looping till 7pm with the regulars playing and the usual unpredictable drop-ins. (Regulars include David Beardsley, Harry Esq, Pedro Felix, Jeremy Halpern, Tobi Joi, Stv Jns, Tom Ritchford and Lena Strayhorn.) open loop is live electronic looping of live and electronic instruments. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 1pm to 7pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. This week, Chama is proud to feature a brand-new issue, #10, of Patrick Huyghe's unique and ground-breaking journal, "The Anomalist". Chama is probably the only shop in New York City to have all the available issues of "The Anomalist", a journal that studies anomalous events and manages to be authoritative and exciting at the same time. Too demented for the debunkers, too critical for the credulous, "The Anomalist" walks a fine line between starshine and rigidity. http://anomalist.com /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 00:18:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09357; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:06:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:06:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:06:26 -0500 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001701c1dc5f$a378eea0$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know I've missed something somewhere here. What is a Polysubass, and what company is it made by? BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) > Hi Mathias, > I was the one who started this thread, not understanding how these devices > work , and if they might be interesting to try on things like vocalizations > that have very wet effects applied to them. I guess I'm still somewhat > unclear on the capabilities of these tools. > The impression I now have is that both the kosmos and the dbx120 analyze the > incoming material and more or less synthisize audio that is an octave below > the lowest(determined by some algorithm?) sounds of the incoming material. > The kosmos does this stereo image enhancement thing, but most reviewers are > not that impressed with that effect. > Not sure exactly what the Polysubass can do, and if its a standalone > processor like the others. > > I remain intersted in a device that might work as the dbx does, but perhaps > also operate into a higher freq range without making the result muddy, etc. > I'd like to use it for Stick and vocalizations - both with other effects > applied to them, which could include pitch shifting. Would one of these > units do this? modifications required? > > thanks! > -Qua > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) > > > Andy! > > I did not finish my idea here: > > > You say: "only works on the lowest notes." > > I wanted to ask whether it can really find the one lowest note (as > Polysubbass) or just a low range (like dbx120 and such). In other > words, if you feed it with two low notes, does it put out the > woomering mix of the two or just the octave of the lower one? > > > > I hardly ever switch my Polysubbass off. Does this unit allow to > >> combine it with most other effects? > > > >It has a Low Pass Filter before the sub-oct generator. > >which just produces a synth tone, > >without even an envelope > > > >very effective, although you can't get just the sub-oct > > This you may not have understood either: Its about the ability of the > unit to generate several effects at once. If it can only creat the > low bass with a special patch and no other effect simultaneously, its > not so interesting, because some one like me would have to carry the > thing arround just for the bass. > Ideally, it should be always on plus any other effect chosen ;-) > Or at least Bass and Reverb. > > Thank you! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 03:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20529; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:06:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:06:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:04:11 EST Subject: Re: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias! > Andy! > > I did not finish my idea here: > > > You say: "only works on the lowest notes." > > I wanted to ask whether it can really find the one lowest note (as > Polysubbass) or just a low range (like dbx120 and such). In other > words, if you feed it with two low notes, does it put out the > woomering mix of the two or just the octave of the lower one? Well at first i couldn't tell exactly what was going on, as you can't hear the effect without the dry sound. but then I discovered that the sub-oct is mono, and the dry signal stereo, so fed signal in on left and listened to output on right. So now i can hear just the synth output. It does seem to be able to pick out the lowest note fairly reliably. It can be made to woomer on minor thirds and seconds if both notes are in the range, but even then, if the low note is loud enough it picks it out. Sometimes theres a bit of fuzzyness as the end of the note, especially at the top end of the range. It's a synthesised note, not generated from the input signal. > > > > I hardly ever switch my Polysubbass off. Does this unit allow to > >> combine it with most other effects? > This you may not have understood either: Er , nope, not enough made up words;-) > Its about the ability of the > unit to generate several effects at once. If it can only creat the > low bass with a special patch and no other effect simultaneously, its > not so interesting, because some one like me would have to carry the > thing arround just for the bass. Only one patch at a time, there are the usual combinations of flange& reverb etc. but generally you only get one effect at a time. Get two and glue them together. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 04:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26238; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:13:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:13:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:11:49 +0100 Subject: Great review!!! From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just got this review through from Ed Friedland of Bass Player magazine, about my new album (orderable now via my website, release date April 22nd - you can listen to lots of it on real audio and MP3 as well) - It's really nice when a review actually provides you with new ways of describing what you do that are accurate rather than hyperbolic... :o) "Lawson and Carr alternate playing Jekyl to the other's Hyde. Dreamy pastoral visions interrupted by an invasion of drunk Martians. Steve's sonic pallette allows him to blend beautifully, or create havoc, a dichotomy he clearly enjoys. A fascinating listen. A Little Nitrous Music anyone?" there's also a lovely review written by Andre LaFosse on my site, if you want to check that out, who also 'gets it' in quite a remarkable way. Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 04:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26236; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:11:48 +0100 Subject: fretless guitar questions From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I do have one gear-related question though. I can understand the advantage of the glass fingerboard (brighter, better sustain), but how can this work in practice? Wouldn't it negate the effects of the trussrod? Isn't it fragile to travel with?<<< If I remember rightly, it is a bit of a bitch to travel with, and Ned has broken boards before now, but as I think he's the inventor of the system, he's in a position to carry spare boards and fix it! :o) it's certainly worth emailing Ned with more questions - the sound is fantastic. http://www.nedevett.com or http://www.fretlessguitar.com >>There's a French company that makes a fretless guitar with a metal fingerboard. Seems like that would be more serviceable for the traveling musician.<< That's what Franck Vigroux uses, and he has a great sound, though very different from Ned's sound. It's a Vigier, as has been mentioned. I tried one of their metal fingerboard basses and hated it, but the guitars sound fantastic. I'll stick with the Granadillo board on my Modulus 6... :o) I'm going into the studio with Franck in Paris at the end of this month, so there should be some stuff on the net after that... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 06:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02219; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:43:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:43:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:43:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth (Virtualizer) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Mathias, >I was the one who started this thread, not understanding how these devices >work , and if they might be interesting to try on things like vocalizations >that have very wet effects applied to them. I guess I'm still somewhat >unclear on the capabilities of these tools. >The impression I now have is that both the kosmos and the dbx120 analyze the >incoming material and more or less synthisize audio that is an octave below >the lowest(determined by some algorithm?) sounds of the incoming material. >The kosmos does this stereo image enhancement thing, but most reviewers are >not that impressed with that effect. the dbx filters 4 bands out and puts an octivider on each and then filters the result again. Its impressive, but not acurate. >Not sure exactly what the Polysubass can do, and if its a standalone >processor like the others. http://matthias.grob.org/pParad/ParaPoly.htm#Polysub it asks for separate signals for each string. You can use several kinds of polyphonic pickups though (since the original may not be avalable for you instrument), as long as the level is right (could be modified in the Polysubbass). All the basses of my music are made with it. I usually use the unfiltered piezo or magnetic sound mixed with it and dampen the string a bit with the back hand (or wrist or... you know) at the attack. > >I remain intersted in a device that might work as the dbx does, but perhaps >also operate into a higher freq range without making the result muddy, etc. >I'd like to use it for Stick and vocalizations - both with other effects >applied to them, which could include pitch shifting. Would one of these >units do this? modifications required? pitch shifting is not in phase and therefore does not so much sound as a part of the original sound. Also they all have some glitches, especially when you feed it with a mix of notes. > >thanks! >-Qua > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 08:34:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08298; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:27:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:27:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405132652.33504.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #210 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204050346.WAA01238@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:48:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Greg House > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Gear setup/sequence question > > Ok, I'm replying to myself here, but... > > I've seen from msgs in other threads that others of > you have similar > equipment issues. How do you work around the > mono-in/stereo-out problem > in your rigs? i use a behringer eurorack 1604 which is extremely lightweight and rackmountable. i run stereo guitar on channels 1 and 2, but all of my efx are mono, so i only send channel one to them. which i like because the right side of the stereo delay is a little more distinct coming out of second amp, often "contrapuntal" to the efx, if that makes any sense. in terms of level matching, that's basically the reason i bought a mixer. running too many efx in line was creating too much noise (very much a result of mismatched levels), and using the auxes solves this problem. both the boomerang and d12 that i use have variable input levels, and by using the auxes, i can use hotter input settings without incurring noise. peace phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 09:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12652; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.35.244.101] From: "Andrew Altman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jamman memory upgrade Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:47:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 14:47:24.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC76B110:01C1DCB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Hi, I am new to the list.  I have found this website very interesting and it also helped me make the tough decision of what looper I wanted to use for performaces.  I decided on the Jamman and purchased one about a year ago but I can't seem to find the memory upgrade.  I read the archives on the website but all the information is from 1997 so all the phone numbers and websites are outdated.  Could anyone possibly tell me a current place to get the memory cheaper than from Lexicon?  I would really appreciate it because 8 seconds just ain't cuttin' it!  You can respond directly to my email address ujinthym@hotmail.com and thank you in advance.
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 10:02:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14550; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020405085824.024d3060@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rjholland@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:58:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Holland Subject: Re: Jamman memory upgrade In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/jamman/jamman.html At 02:47 PM 4/5/02 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, I am new to the list. I have found this website very interesting and >it also helped me make the tough decision of what looper I wanted to use >for performaces. I decided on the Jamman and purchased one about a year >ago but I can't seem to find the memory upgrade. I read the archives on >the website but all the information is from 1997 so all the phone numbers >and websites are outdated. Could anyone possibly tell me a current place >to get the memory cheaper than from Lexicon? I would really appreciate it >because 8 seconds just ain't cuttin' it! You can respond directly to my >email address ujinthym@hotmail.com and thank >you in advance. > >Andrew Altman > > > >---------- >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18819; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:00:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:00:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405155925.15439.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1cTXL.A.HlE.encr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Neil Goldstein wrote: > http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/adrenalinn.shtml#video > > Roger demos it, plays some cool gtr too. Very impressive demo! Made ME want to go buy one (and I wasn't even lookin). I went home and experimented with the LFO controlled filters (phase shift) in the GP-16 and it sounded totally lifeless and bogus in comparison. I was thinking about getting a POD to front-end my looping rig, but now I'm seriously considering an Adrenalinn instead. >From previous posts, I know Mark S. has one of these. Perhaps others too. Could you give us more "real world" thoughts on the Adrenalinn? How good are the amp sims? They seem to work for Roger's playing, but that doesn't necessarily say much for anyone else's playing. Obviously it's got the infamous mono-in/stereo-out issue, are there any other potential setup headaches? The interface looks pretty intuitive, but it seems odd to me that they'd do it up as a foot pedal instead of a rackmount unit. How sturdy/roadworthy do you thing it is? > just doin my part to keep the gear lust workin' for the list... Yeah. Thanks a bunch... Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19214; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:08:37 EST Subject: Re: Great review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, In a message dated 4/5/02 1:12:57 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >just got this review through from Ed Friedland of Bass Player magazine, Congratulations! I don't seem to be able to find the review in the most recent BP that I have (the April/Mingus issue). Maybe it's in another date. Nor can I find Andre's review on your site. But, nevertheless your music is worthy of all the praise it's getting. I've only listened to the downloads so far -- I really need to get on the stick and order a CD -- but your work is most impressive. >It's really nice when a review actually provides you with new ways of >describing what you do that are accurate rather than hyperbolic... :o) Yeah. Don't get me started on that particular thread. Heh, heh, heh. My own CD has continued to get positive reviews since I last posted on the topic. But, as often as not, even the positive reviewers don't really "get it." Though I have to admit some of their hyperbolae does stroke the ol' ego in many ways. Cheers, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19573; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405161239.79849.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: eletrix filter factory question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004301c1dbee$24aa3b40$20f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where can i find more information about the sherman? i'm looking for an analog filter that i can use with my bass. i use a repeater, so i can probably hook everything together, but ideally, i'd like something that i can just plug my bass into and then send out to a PA or an amplifier. thanks for the help, e va n|s sa b --- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > if you're in the market for a filter, don't overlook > the sherman. i own one > and love it. > > by the way, if anybody has a mutator or knows where > one is, please let me > know. > > -jim > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:24:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20186; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:21:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:21:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405162006.64483.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:20:06 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: really stupid repeater warranty question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004301c1dbee$24aa3b40$20f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was told that there are no stupid questions, but this one is kind of stupid... i want to send in my warranty card for my repeater that i purchased recently and i'm not exactly sure which number on the back is my serial number. there are only 2 numbers that i see... one is a number that is after the word repeater and just before the date that the unit was made (mine is from oct 01) and then there is another number that has some letters intermingled with it. which is the serial #? thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:36:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20889; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:34:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:34:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pop.pan.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020405162006.64483.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020405162006.64483.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:27:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: really stupid repeater warranty question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:20 AM -0800 4/5/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >i'm not exactly sure which number on the back is my serial number. there >are only 2 numbers that i see... > >one is a number that is after the word repeater That's the serial number. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2203 fax http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:37:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20454; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:24:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405162421.30461.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:24:21 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: re: adrenalinn prices? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Oh yeah, how could I forget? Get an Adrenalinn! it's another mono > to stereo devices (one of my big pet peeves) but it's well worth it for > about $270 retail. (don't buy it direct at $399!) I LOVE mine. Where'd you find it for $270? I'm finding prices in the $339-349 range. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:41:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20886; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:34:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:29:16 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: eletrix filter factory question In-reply-to: <20020405161239.79849.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020405161239.79849.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2Za2j.A.LEF.IGdr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:12 AM -0800 4/5/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >where can i find more information about the sherman? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22sherman+filter+bank%22 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21562; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:41:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:41:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c1dc86$15455c00$16f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020405161239.79849.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: eletrix filter factory question Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:41:36 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.sherman.be From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21684; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:42:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:36:56 -0800 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: eletrix filter factory question To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020405164138.UIER18078.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA21576 Resent-Message-ID: <4sPc2.A.XRF.hPdr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com although i generally stay away from peavy gear, the spectrum analog filter is a really well built unit, and sounds great...if you can find one, you should check it out. deknow >> where can i find more information about the sherman? >> i'm looking for an analog filter that i can use with >> my bass. i use a repeater, so i can probably hook >> everything together, but ideally, i'd like something >> that i can just plug my bass into and then send out to >> a PA or an amplifier. >> thanks for the help, >> e va n|s sa b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 11:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22391; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:45:44 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: re: adrenalinn prices? In-reply-to: <20020405162421.30461.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020405162421.30461.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:24 AM -0800 4/5/02, Greg House wrote: >Where'd you find it for $270? I'm finding prices in the $339-349 range. $299.95 at -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 12:32:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25467; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:30:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:30:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: New to list, with a couple of tired old questions From: Jon Brown To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Time for a new guy to ask a couple of no doubt tired old questions. I'd like to add a looper to my usual guitar/VG-8 combo, and I'd like a bit of guidance about what to buy. Would anyone care to offer opinions about what's what in April '02 and what's important to look for? My main use is for a home studio, with occasional venturing out to a small bar or coffeeshop. I'd prefer a rack device unless a foot pedal---say, the Line 6---is an extraordinary value. Because of the Loopers Delight tools page, I'm looking at the Jamman (they seem to go for about $350; are they still favored, though somewhat out of date?) and the digital Echoplex ($600 or more). Other ideas? Thanks for any advice! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 12:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25834; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:36:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:36:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:36:06 -0500 Subject: Re: New to list, with a couple of tired old questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1066260947 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9BEA9AF0-48BB-11D6-A0A7-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-1066260947 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I have the same setup, go with an EDP, especially for performance uses. > I'd like to add a looper to my usual guitar/VG-8 combo .................................................................. Doug Miller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-2-1066260947 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I have the same setup, go with an EDP, especially for performance uses. I'd like to add a looper to my usual guitar/VG-8 combo Arial.................................................................. Arial BlackDoug MillerArial < http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-2-1066260947-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 12:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26745; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:53:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:53:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CADD5B7.2B1BDDC8@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:49:59 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory =?iso-8859-1?Q?question=A8=5D?= References: <20020405164138.UIER18078.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@dean> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dean and all Isnt this peavey bashing a little old story ?? so we have: The spectrum analog filter well built unit, and sounds great The PC1600X midi controler well build unit, tres tres powerfull and cheap any other good peavey toys ? anti rumor Claude Dean Stiglitz wrote: > > although i generally stay away from peavy gear, the spectrum analog filter is a really well built unit, and sounds great...if you can find one, you should check it out. > > deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 13:01:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28305; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:00:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:00:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Steve Lawson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:01:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Great review!!! Message-ID: <3CADF4A2.12635.161C0B9@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a message dated 4/5/02 1:12:57 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > > >just got this review through from Ed Friedland of Bass Player magazine, > > Congratulations! > > I don't seem to be able to find the review in the most recent BP that I have > (the April/Mingus issue). Maybe it's in another date. Nor can I find Andre's > review on your site. But, nevertheless your music is worthy of all the praise > it's getting. I've only listened to the downloads so far -- I really need to > get > on the stick and order a CD -- but your work is most impressive. Hi Ted, the review hasn't gone into BP yet (and possibly won't in that exact format) - Ed sent the comments direct to me... My first solo CD was reviewed in the mag, about a year ago... As for Andre's review, here it is - " 'Conversations' finds pianist Jez Carr and bassist/loopist Steve Lawson deftly walking a fine line between new age and avant-garde, drifting from meditative serenity to angular abstraction so smoothly that the seams barely show. With its extended and often reflective feel, the highly-attuned duo improvisations allude to the vintage eras of record labels like ECM or Windam Hill. But Lawson's use of live electronic looping throughout the album is the real wild card here: sometimes injecting traces of ambient, dub, and even post-Warp abstraction into the mix, while other times seamlessly adding a virtual third instrumental voice to the proceedings. We've all heard live performances filtered and chopped through a non-linear post-DJ mentality, but 'Conversations' pulls the remarkable trick of inverting that equation, by placing a choice selection of digital- age flourishes into the overall framework of sensitive, sympathetic, and highly organic instrumental improvisation." ...Mr LaFosse, you definitely have a side career brewing as a writer... :o) > >It's really nice when a review actually provides you with new ways of > >describing what you do that are accurate rather than hyperbolic... :o) > > Yeah. Don't get me started on that particular thread. Heh, heh, heh. My > own CD has continued to get positive reviews since I last posted on the > topic. But, as often as not, even the positive reviewers don't really "get > it." > Though I have to admit some of their hyperbolae does stroke the ol' ego > in many ways. Indeed it does, but it also breeds a curious contempt for those who heap misguided praise onto your work... or if not contempt, at least bemusement... i had a couple of reviews for the first album that were fantastic (I didn't get any bad ones, but anyway) - too fantastic - my album's quite good but certainly not worth '10/10' by any objective measurement - Kind Of Blue? 10/10, Dolittle? 10/10, Steve McQueen? 10/10, What's Going On? 10/10, Hejira? 10/10... I'm pretty sure that my first solo effort isn't really in that company! :o) It's still worth buying (if albums that were less than perfect weren't worth buying, CD shops would be very small indeed), and is certainly one of the better solo bass CDs out there (believe me, I've heard a lot, and many are unlistenable - it's not without reason that bass soloists are viewed with much suspicion) ...and I'm also very very grateful to everyone who has bought it thus far, and rather chuffed to know that a few people have started playing solo bass as a direct result of hearing it, and a few others have got turned onto other people doing similar things by hearing my stuff first - but that sort of subjective response is different to a journo who hasn't done their homework... ...Which is why when people like Andre and Ed write stuff that even sheds light on the way that I perceive my own music, I cherish it even more... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 13:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29157; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.e9eb91c.29df44da@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:20:10 EST Subject: Re: Great review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <2bxyGC.A.CHH._rer8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, In a message dated 4/5/02 10:00:08 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >...and I'm also very very grateful to everyone who has bought it thus far I just logged on and bought one (though I have no idea what 10 pounds looks like in dollars). Thanks! Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 13:33:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30169; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:32:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CADED84.5FFD2D53@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:31:32 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Peavey (was:Re: eletrix filter factory question) References: <20020405164138.UIER18078.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@dean> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I used to have the same attitude about Peavey, having sold it during the early and 80s. In 1989, I was looking for an inexpensive bass. I tried every singel bass in the $500 range, and was mostly unimpressed. I didn't even look at the Peavey because of my past experience. At the time, the manager of the store (Banana's At Large in San Rafael) was in my brother's band, and was a pretty good friend. He swore I should check out the Peavey Bass, which was about $250, if memory serves. I was blown away. It was significantly better than anything I had played. I totally changed my mind about them at that point. I still use a pair of KB-60 keyboard combo amps and they sound great for most small to medium (cafe sized) gigs. We played a club called 26mix last monday, and we all had wished I'd brought those babies along, as their system sucked. Now, is Peavey top 'o the line audiofile stuff? Not a bit. However, if you're going to buy a middle to low pricepoint piece of Fender or Gibson gear, I'd take a serious look at Peavey. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, they're stuff built like tanks, and you're keeping a Mississippian in a job. Mark Sottilaro Dean Stiglitz wrote: > although i generally stay away from peavy gear, the spectrum analog filter is a really well built unit, and sounds great...if you can find one, you should check it out. > > deknow > > >> where can i find more information about the sherman? > >> i'm looking for an analog filter that i can use with > >> my bass. i use a repeater, so i can probably hook > >> everything together, but ideally, i'd like something > >> that i can just plug my bass into and then send out to > >> a PA or an amplifier. > > >> thanks for the help, > >> e va n|s sa b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 13:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30037; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:31:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:31:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405183113.64992.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:31:13 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: New to list, with a couple of tired old questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My main use is for a home studio, with occasional > venturing out to a small > bar or coffeeshop. it really depends on what kind of looping you are looking to do. i am by no means an expert in this, but about a month ago i made my final decission on a repeater after looking pretty closely at each...the deciding factor for me was the separate tracks to loop on...this allows me to loop a groove and then on an independant track, throw a loop on top, and then remove the initial track and play with my second loop still going...i also find it very useful in creating ideas because with the multiple tracks, you can easily loop other instruments into your loop without having to lose anything from your original loop...because all of the tracks are independant of each other... these machines all vary by a few key features like that and depending on what exactly you are looking to do with a looper...you may be able to get off easy and purchase one of the low end loopers, but damn are the expensive ones some great little toys! hope that helps... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 13:57:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31607; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:55:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:55:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405185543.77574.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: Banjology Subject: Extending time on a digitec 2 second To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CADF4A2.12635.161C0B9@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I heard about someway to extend the time on the Digitec 2 second samplers, how do i do this? John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 13:58:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31443; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:51:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CADF215.1DA2F2DD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:51:01 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New to list, with a couple of tired old questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7XbT6.A.9qH.cIfr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The JamMan is a good 'ol workhorse (still, IMO) but for studio use, I'd go for (I did) the Repeater. Why? MIDI synchable. Really good pitch shift and tempo shift in real time. Good sound quality (needs to get and give line level) You can get LOTS of memory (I think up to 256 meg) into it. (Non volitile Compact Flash cards) It's stereo. Really flexible stereo effects send. Lot's of people say it's clunky to use live, but since I purchased a Behringer 1010 midi pedal, I find it pretty easy. I've also now gotten comfortable with it, and practice helps. There's also the Echoplex, I'm not sure if it's still in production at this point, but there's still new stock around. (Gibson killed Oberheim, who was manufacturing them) I won't talk more on that, because I really don't know what's going on. It's a great box though, and has a lot of features that make it a great live looper. The choice between the Echoplex and the Repeater was not easy. I think what put me over the edge was the stereo looping, time stretch and non volitile memory (you can yank out the card, put it into a USB reader and bring your loops into the computer pretty easily with just a little editing, I find I really don't use it like that though) Mark Sottilaro Jon Brown wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > Time for a new guy to ask a couple of no doubt tired old questions. > > I'd like to add a looper to my usual guitar/VG-8 combo, and I'd like a bit > of guidance about what to buy. Would anyone care to offer opinions about > what's what in April '02 and what's important to look for? > > My main use is for a home studio, with occasional venturing out to a small > bar or coffeeshop. I'd prefer a rack device unless a foot pedal---say, the > Line 6---is an extraordinary value. Because of the Loopers Delight tools > page, I'm looking at the Jamman (they seem to go for about $350; are they > still favored, though somewhat out of date?) and the digital Echoplex ($600 > or more). Other ideas? > > Thanks for any advice! > Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 14:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00697; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:57:30 -0800 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory question=??B?qF3=?= To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020405190220.PMDH21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA00666 Resent-Message-ID: <7oCDX.A.xK.bTfr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can't say i see myself as a "peavy basher" per se....the 2 pieces of peavy gear i own (ever owned) are the 2 you listed below, and i recomend them all the time (although i almost never see anyone using the filter). that said, if a company wants it's name associated with only good things, then it should not put it on really crappy mixing boards, and soso speaker setups. deknow >> Dean and all >> Isnt this peavey bashing a little old story ?? >> so we have: >> The spectrum analog filter well built unit, and sounds great >> The PC1600X midi controler well build unit, tres tres powerfull and >> cheap >> any other good peavey toys ? >> anti rumor >> Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 14:37:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02302; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:36:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:36:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <13.9675923.29df5671@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:35:13 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Peavey=20was=20[eletrix=20filter=20factory=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?question=A8]?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: <9JFui.A.kj.Vyfr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 4/5/02 12:53:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > The PC1600X midi controler well build unit, tres tres powerfull and > cheap > I have to admit that I never thought that I would purchase a Peavey product. Then Peavey released the PC-1600. It is a very nice MIDI fader unit. I use it all the time. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 15:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06754; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:45:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:45:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_Peavey_was_=5Beletrix_filter_factory_question=A8=5D?= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:45:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <13.9675923.29df5671@aol.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw a demo at the recent NAMM show for the Peavey Feedback Ferret, an impressive feedback eliminator. I think the days of Peavey being second rate are probably over. Gary -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory question¨] In a message dated 4/5/02 12:53:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > The PC1600X midi controler well build unit, tres tres powerfull and > cheap > I have to admit that I never thought that I would purchase a Peavey product. Then Peavey released the PC-1600. It is a very nice MIDI fader unit. I use it all the time. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 15:50:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07132; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:48:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:48:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020405183113.64992.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:47:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 20:47:46.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[242F4890:01C1DCE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Can anyone recomend a good source for Repeater TRS pedals? After a using the Behringer pedal for a while, I've come to the conclusion I'd be happier with a dedicated trigger. Furthermore, there is a bit of latency - just enough to make things feel 'spongy'. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: New to list, with a couple of tired old questions > > My main use is for a home studio, with occasional > > venturing out to a small > > bar or coffeeshop. > > it really depends on what kind of looping you are > looking to do. i am by no means an expert in this, > but about a month ago i made my final decission on a > repeater after looking pretty closely at each...the > deciding factor for me was the separate tracks to loop > on...this allows me to loop a groove and then on an > independant track, throw a loop on top, and then > remove the initial track and play with my second loop > still going...i also find it very useful in creating > ideas because with the multiple tracks, you can easily > loop other instruments into your loop without having > to lose anything from your original loop...because all > of the tracks are independant of each other... > > these machines all vary by a few key features like > that and depending on what exactly you are looking to > do with a looper...you may be able to get off easy and > purchase one of the low end loopers, but damn are the > expensive ones some great little toys! > > hope that helps... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 15:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07474; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:52:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAE0E92.2C7984A3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 12:52:33 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please References: <20020405155925.15439.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg House wrote: > > >From previous posts, I know Mark S. has one of these. Perhaps others > too. Could you give us more "real world" thoughts on the Adrenalinn? It's an odd bird, but overall, really sweet. If you read my previous post about a future "pro" version, I think that still stands. > > > How good are the amp sims? They seem to work for Roger's playing, but > that doesn't necessarily say much for anyone else's playing. I think they're OK, but I still feel like my Digitech 2120 sounds better overall. I still haven't given the Adrenalinn a good a/b comparison to anything else, but my first reaction is that the amp sims are good, but not great. The filters are what this baby's about. I am planning on taking it out as part of a "micro rig" where I have that, another pedal, JamMan and keyboard amp. I'll let you know how it goes. > > > Obviously it's got the infamous mono-in/stereo-out issue, are there any > other potential setup headaches? Not really. I wish the drums and guitar each had their own stereo outs... Stereo input with line or instrument level selector. (see future pro version) > > > The interface looks pretty intuitive, but it seems odd to me that > they'd do it up as a foot pedal instead of a rackmount unit. How > sturdy/roadworthy do you thing it is? It's all die cast metal, seems very well made. The weird thing is all you have is a drum start/stop button and a bypass/tempo button. This thing REALLY needs at LEAST a patch up and a patch down button. I've kept it on a table top and just twisted the knob to control patches. It's an awkward box, not fully a table top, not a good floor pedal. Great time based effects. I'd love to see this thing with my mods as a rack unit with some more knobs to tweak and a dedicated foot pedal. > > > > just doin my part to keep the gear lust workin' for the list... > > Yeah. Thanks a bunch... > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10921; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:15:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:15:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 21:14:34 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 29 2001) Message-Id: <20020405211437.XVCD15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh. oh. I was just going to buy one of the Behringer pedals. If only Electrix would have included a LOOP UP/DOWN button... Regards, Paul > > Hi, > > Can anyone recomend a good source for Repeater TRS pedals? After a using > the Behringer pedal for a while, I've come to the conclusion I'd be happier > with a dedicated trigger. Furthermore, there is a bit of latency - just > enough to make things feel 'spongy'. > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: New to list, with a couple of tired old questions > > > > > My main use is for a home studio, with occasional > > > venturing out to a small > > > bar or coffeeshop. > > > > it really depends on what kind of looping you are > > looking to do. i am by no means an expert in this, > > but about a month ago i made my final decission on a > > repeater after looking pretty closely at each...the > > deciding factor for me was the separate tracks to loop > > on...this allows me to loop a groove and then on an > > independant track, throw a loop on top, and then > > remove the initial track and play with my second loop > > still going...i also find it very useful in creating > > ideas because with the multiple tracks, you can easily > > loop other instruments into your loop without having > > to lose anything from your original loop...because all > > of the tracks are independant of each other... > > > > these machines all vary by a few key features like > > that and depending on what exactly you are looking to > > do with a looper...you may be able to get off easy and > > purchase one of the low end loopers, but damn are the > > expensive ones some great little toys! > > > > hope that helps... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11001; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:15:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:09:35 -0800 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory question=??B?qF2=?= To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020405211444.IEEK3676.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA10863 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gary, i'm not so sure that is a fair analysis. i don't know exactly what year the spectrum filter and 1600 came out, but there are referances to them at musicmachines (hyperreal) from at least 1995. while i'd like to see peavey make better stuff (and i'm glad to hear the feedback ferret is a good product), 3 products in 7 or more years doesn't even come close to showing that peavey is now making only first rate products. deknow >> I saw a demo at the recent NAMM show for the Peavey Feedback Ferret, an >> impressive feedback eliminator. I think the days of Peavey being second >> rate are probably over. >> Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11908; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:23:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:23:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_re=5B2=5D:_Peavey_was_=5Beletrix_filter_factory_ques?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?tion=A8=5D?= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020405211444.IEEK3676.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@dean> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3VpjbD.A.l4C.-Whr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'm not claiming everything they make is great . . . But in the beginning the name Peavey was synonymous with junk. I think those are the days I am claiming are over. Even so, I think their bang for the buck is pretty good. I am certainly impressed with my new 1600x--it's a pretty progressive machine, being from Mississippi and all . . . G -----Original Message----- gary, i'm not so sure that is a fair analysis. i don't know exactly what year the spectrum filter and 1600 came out, but there are referances to them at musicmachines (hyperreal) from at least 1995. while i'd like to see peavey make better stuff (and i'm glad to hear the feedback ferret is a good product), 3 products in 7 or more years doesn't even come close to showing that peavey is now making only first rate products. deknow >> I saw a demo at the recent NAMM show for the Peavey Feedback Ferret, an >> impressive feedback eliminator. I think the days of Peavey being second >> rate are probably over. >> Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12393; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:34:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:34:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020405211437.XVCD15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:33:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 21:33:21.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[824C1740:01C1DCE9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't get me wrong - it's a great pedal and I totally recomend it. I don't think the spongyness is coming from the pedal, in any case - it seems to the repeater response, or just my brain, having gone from button push to pedal push. A TRS pedal couldn't cost too much, wouldn't take up too much floor space, and would give me a dedicated overdub button. My main regret on the FCB is the lack of 'release' messages as well as 'press' messages. (Being able to program the CC pedals for multiple channels would be my second regret). This would allow it to double as a bass pedal, have separate pedals for momentary and static EDP record pushes and otherwise keep me programming instead of making music, which is what gear is all about :> OAN, to my ears, the repeater playback is bit 'spongy'. I'll play something right on when I record it, and have it feel a little 'off' when it loops. Am I the hearing things? I'm thinking of rewiring my midi cables, to see if the making the unit closer to the master clock would improve things. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? > Oh. oh. I was just going to buy one of the Behringer > pedals. > > If only Electrix would have included a LOOP UP/DOWN > button... > > Regards, Paul > > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone recomend a good source for Repeater TRS pedals? After a using > > the Behringer pedal for a while, I've come to the conclusion I'd be happier > > with a dedicated trigger. Furthermore, there is a bit of latency - just > > enough to make things feel 'spongy'. > > > > bIz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Evan Meyers" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:31 AM > > Subject: Re: New to list, with a couple of tired old questions > > > > > > > > My main use is for a home studio, with occasional > > > > venturing out to a small > > > > bar or coffeeshop. > > > > > > it really depends on what kind of looping you are > > > looking to do. i am by no means an expert in this, > > > but about a month ago i made my final decission on a > > > repeater after looking pretty closely at each...the > > > deciding factor for me was the separate tracks to loop > > > on...this allows me to loop a groove and then on an > > > independant track, throw a loop on top, and then > > > remove the initial track and play with my second loop > > > still going...i also find it very useful in creating > > > ideas because with the multiple tracks, you can easily > > > loop other instruments into your loop without having > > > to lose anything from your original loop...because all > > > of the tracks are independant of each other... > > > > > > these machines all vary by a few key features like > > > that and depending on what exactly you are looking to > > > do with a looper...you may be able to get off easy and > > > purchase one of the low end loopers, but damn are the > > > expensive ones some great little toys! > > > > > > hope that helps... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12716; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:35:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:35:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAC8FF7.25C052B0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:40:07 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gear setup/sequence question References: <20020404173550.54108.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: RogueStore@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <7FarZD.A.4DD.Cihr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone out there selling a GP8 please let me know. I happen to love the noisy compressor and effects in that unit. Mark at Rogue Greg House wrote: > --- Bill Fox wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg House > > >> The GP-16 is mono-in/stereo-out > > > I have the GP-8 and have replaced it by the Boss GT-5 pedal board. > > I've heard good things about the GT pedal board series. I'd like to > check one out sometime. > > > I'd suggest that you use the GP-16 for tonal effects and let a nice > > Lexicon at the end of the chain handle the reverb. > > Yeah, I forgot to mention that I also have a Lex MPX-100 which > occasionally makes it into my looping rig. Unfortunately, it plays > doubletime and is usually set up in my recording rig. Kind of a hassle > to have to move stuff around for different purposes. > > Right now, I primarily use the GP-16 for auto-filter and pitch shift > type things. I like the fact that you can take the internal LFO or the > touch sensitivity thing and assign 'em to control any parameter. I also > use some of it's "weird" factory presets for background noises. > Occasionally I use it's overdrive, but while I have the POD, I > generally use it. If I had a foot pedal (exp pedal) for it, I'd > probably use that a lot too. I'm planning on getting a midi foot > controller to control several of these things. > > > I forgot. Is the GT-16 your only mono-in/stereo-out piece? Or are > > you trying to integrate more than one piece of this nature? > > I'm also using a POD, but I'm not too strung out about using it purely > in mono, since I haven't found it's effects to be something I use often > (so far). > > Thanks, > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12649; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:35:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:35:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:34:49 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200204052134.g35LYnSM012893@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re[2]: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory question=??B?qF2=?= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com deknow@deknow.com writes: i don't know exactly what year the spectrum filter and 1600 came out, but there are referances to them at musicmachines (hyperreal) from at least 1995. while i 'd like to see peavey make better stuff (and i'm glad to hear the feedback ferre t is a good product), 3 products in 7 or more years doesn't even come close to s howing that peavey is now making only first rate products. _------------------------------------------- This IS reflexive Peavey bashing. They excellent equipment. Period. Their Cirrus basses are as good or better than anything at their price point. Same with their Classic series of tube guitar amps, their Raptor entry level electric guitars, their bass amps, PA systems, etc. If you go see working musicians anywher between the coasts you'll see Peavey gear featured prominently. When anybody comes into my store looking at small tube guitar amps, I always show the Classic 30 right after the Fender Blues Jr. They almost always pay the extra $20 for the Peavey. I spent 14 years on the road in Dr Hook, and we had a peavey endorsement from the get go, thanks to one of the other guitarists being one of Hartley's high school buddies. Frankly, the early stuff sucked, but it was free and we needed it. But the company listened to us, worked with us, and their stuff improved rapidly. Unfortunately, it took way too long to build what is the flagship product of any serious guitar amp company, a tube-driven lead guitar amp. And that is the source of most of the anti-Peavey bias that I'm aware of. And I'm still using the CS400 power amp I took when we folded the band almost 20 years ago, and it was 5 or 6 years old then. Sounds great, and if we ever get nuked, I expect that they'll be able to pull it out of the smoking rubble, plug it in and use it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:44:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13369; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405214204.42345.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 'spongy'. I'll play something > right on when I record it, and have it feel a little > 'off' when it loops. Am > I the hearing things? I'm thinking of rewiring my you aren't hearing things...if you check in the manual, it says that the repeater pads the loop a bit to leave room for trimming...i believe you can adjust the default of the padding, but i've just gotten used to it and i compensate for it when using my digitech FS300 footswitch. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 16:57:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14240; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:55:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020405214204.42345.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:54:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 21:54:13.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C7516D0:01C1DCEC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing. Could you explain the "padding"? I was refering to the actual timing of the loop, when following a midi clock. It sound to me like the unit is time stretching in real time, in anticipation of the the next midi clock 'tick'. Midi clock being the peice of crap that it is, this means that the repeater is constantly stretching and squeezing the audio as it plays it back, very slightly, and subtly. It would be nice if you could adjust it's 'stretch tolerance' or threshold, but I don't recall any mention of this in the manual, unless I mistook the aforementioned padding. The alternative, explanation is that I'm feeding my repeater crappy, off-time loops, but being a rather poor workman, I think I'll stick to blaming my tools :> Thanks! bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? > > 'spongy'. I'll play something > > right on when I record it, and have it feel a little > > 'off' when it loops. Am > > I the hearing things? I'm thinking of rewiring my > > you aren't hearing things...if you check in the > manual, it says that the repeater pads the loop a bit > to leave room for trimming...i believe you can adjust > the default of the padding, but i've just gotten used > to it and i compensate for it when using my digitech > FS300 footswitch. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16407; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:09:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020405155925.15439.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <3CAE0E92.2C7984A3@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:08:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 22:08:31.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BB8B9C0:01C1DCEE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > How good are the amp sims? They seem to work for Roger's playing, but > > that doesn't necessarily say much for anyone else's playing. > > I think they're OK, but I still feel like my Digitech 2120 sounds better > overall. I still haven't given the Adrenalinn a good a/b comparison to Mark, we need to trade patches. I think the 2120 preamp's a pile of crap. Prove me wrong, and I'll send you my 'signature sound' looping patches. The knowledge that they are in the public domain might motivate me to work on some better ones :> > box, not fully a table top, not a good floor pedal. Great time based > effects. I'd love to see this thing with my mods as a rack unit with some > more knobs to tweak and a dedicated foot pedal. Why not hook up the behringy-thingy? > > > > > just doin my part to keep the gear lust workin' for the list... > > > > Yeah. Thanks a bunch... > > Yeah. My wallet says screw you all. I say: http://www.pedalpad.com http://64.7.11.61/ http://www.wiard.com http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm http://www.harmony-central.com/cgi-bin/buyer.pl?wtb=Forsale+%2B+Wanted+Ads&c ategory=Don%27t+Care&subject=emu&price=99999&age=99999&condition=0+-+Don%27t +Care&date=3&buyerzip=&owner=on&dealer=on bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16218; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:06:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:12:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020405214204.42345.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8qx-TD.A.x7D.d_hr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While Repeater does pad the loop, this padding is *outside* of the initial loop points. Meaning that if you want to set the loop point sooner than when you hit record, you can, as it buffers the input. I think that your "sponginess" may be from the quantization of the loop points to falling right on the down beat. I find that I can kill any sponginess (read: my initial sloppy tempo and record button press) by entering trim seconds mode (hit trim twice), then rapidly hitting play while turning the dial. This way I can find the perfect attack location for the loop trigger point. If you need the initial loop point "nailed down" initially, all I can recomend is work on timing. I don't play guitar (at the moment) and utilize my repeater in electronic music production and experimentation. With Repeater's internal clock perfectly synched to the beat, I have witnessed near perfect timing with the repeater. -Nathan .-. .-. .-. / \ / \ .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ --/-----\-----/---\----N-a-t-h-a-n---@---G-i-z-a-.-c-o-m------/-------\ / \ / \ / \ / '-' \ / \ '-' \ / '-' \ / \ / \ / '-' '-' -----Original Message----- From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 3:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? > 'spongy'. I'll play something > right on when I record it, and have it feel a little > 'off' when it loops. Am > I the hearing things? I'm thinking of rewiring my you aren't hearing things...if you check in the manual, it says that the repeater pads the loop a bit to leave room for trimming...i believe you can adjust the default of the padding, but i've just gotten used to it and i compensate for it when using my digitech FS300 footswitch. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:23:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17159; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:21:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:20:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 22:20:27.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[169CC880:01C1DCF0] Resent-Message-ID: <5qMOSD.A.XKE.KNir8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I think that your "sponginess" may be from the quantization of the loop > points to falling right on the down beat. I find that I can kill any > sponginess (read: my initial sloppy tempo and record button press) by > entering trim seconds mode (hit trim twice), then rapidly hitting play while > turning the dial. This way I can find the perfect attack location for the > loop trigger point. > The repeater is actually following a midi clock. The 'spongyiness' I'm refering is how a bassline, for instance, will sound less than perfectly grooving with a drum loop, though the people I'm playing with will tell me that I had hit the groove dead on when I played it, so I know it's not just the shock of hearing myself :> > If you need the initial loop point "nailed down" initially, all I can > recomend is work on timing. I don't play guitar (at the moment) and utilize > my repeater in electronic music production and experimentation. With > Repeater's internal clock perfectly synched to the beat, I have witnessed > near perfect timing with the repeater. > Hmm. People have been complaining about the midi clock from the XL-7 and other devices. Perhaps a different master clock would be better. The repeater, for instance? Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:36:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18138; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:34:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:34:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:34:34 -0500 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c1dcf2$0ff1dd70$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020405155925.15439.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <3CAE0E92.2C7984A3@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ken Hughes just gave this thing a KEY BUY award in Keyboard magazine. Sez it's a nice piece to run his Keyboards thru, and compares the filter to the one on the Alesis Andromeda. I dunno, it looks a like a cheez-box to me, but I still have to take it for a test drive myself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please > > > Greg House wrote: > > > > > >From previous posts, I know Mark S. has one of these. Perhaps others > > too. Could you give us more "real world" thoughts on the Adrenalinn? > > It's an odd bird, but overall, really sweet. If you read my previous post > about a future "pro" version, I think that still stands. > > > > > > > How good are the amp sims? They seem to work for Roger's playing, but > > that doesn't necessarily say much for anyone else's playing. > > I think they're OK, but I still feel like my Digitech 2120 sounds better > overall. I still haven't given the Adrenalinn a good a/b comparison to > anything else, but my first reaction is that the amp sims are good, but > not great. The filters are what this baby's about. I am planning on > taking it out as part of a "micro rig" where I have that, another pedal, > JamMan and keyboard amp. I'll let you know how it goes. > > > > > > > Obviously it's got the infamous mono-in/stereo-out issue, are there any > > other potential setup headaches? > > Not really. I wish the drums and guitar each had their own stereo outs... > Stereo input with line or instrument level selector. (see future pro > version) > > > > > > > The interface looks pretty intuitive, but it seems odd to me that > > they'd do it up as a foot pedal instead of a rackmount unit. How > > sturdy/roadworthy do you thing it is? > > It's all die cast metal, seems very well made. The weird thing is all you > have is a drum start/stop button and a bypass/tempo button. This thing > REALLY needs at LEAST a patch up and a patch down button. I've kept it on > a table top and just twisted the knob to control patches. It's an awkward > box, not fully a table top, not a good floor pedal. Great time based > effects. I'd love to see this thing with my mods as a rack unit with some > more knobs to tweak and a dedicated foot pedal. > > > > > > > > just doin my part to keep the gear lust workin' for the list... > > > > Yeah. Thanks a bunch... > > > > Greg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:37:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17855; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:30:58 -0500 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: Peavey [makes VERY nice basses] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001c01c1dcf1$8eec89a0$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <13.9675923.29df5671@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <51o7m.A.SVE.OWir8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just thought I'd chime in to say I LOVE MY PEAVEY CIRRUS 5, (WALNUT & WENGE). If you haven't played these basses, DO SO !. They sell for $1300-$1500, and play like $3000-$4000 instruments. Even my buddies who play a Ken Smith & Fodera basses love my Cirrus (although I couldn't convince them to trade with me). Other than that, I can also say that I owned a PV power amp that kicked serious ass and was VERY reasonably priced. I wasn't getting alot of use out of it though, so I sold it to Dan Ash (hi Dan) a while back. Bottom Line....ain't nuthin wrong with PV. (except it's sometimes hard to find the dealers, cause they usually ignore the big chains and focus on the Mom & Pop stores....and that's by their choice too) Bill Cummings Electric Billyland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory question¨] > In a message dated 4/5/02 12:53:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch > writes: > > > The PC1600X midi controler well build unit, tres tres powerfull and > > cheap > > > I have to admit that I never thought that I would purchase a Peavey > product. Then Peavey released the PC-1600. It is a very nice MIDI fader unit. > I use it all the time. > Marc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18337; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:35:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:35:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [129.120.255.198] From: "adam P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory question¨] Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:34:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 22:34:37.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[112135B0:01C1DCF2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use Peavey amps exclusivly... Encore 65 (Great sounding Tubed amp with 12" spk) Supreme 160 (solid state with LOTS of power and AWSOME bottom end, i play an ibanez tuned in B, so its now a Baritone guitar, and it drives that sound with no problem)(personally, It sounds better with that guitar than on a marshall any day!) ----Original Message Follows---- From: Claude Voit Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Peavey was [eletrix filter factory question¨] Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:49:59 +0200 Dean and all Isnt this peavey bashing a little old story ?? so we have: The spectrum analog filter well built unit, and sounds great The PC1600X midi controler well build unit, tres tres powerfull and cheap any other good peavey toys ? anti rumor Claude Dean Stiglitz wrote: > > although i generally stay away from peavy gear, the spectrum analog filter is a really well built unit, and sounds great...if you can find one, you should check it out. > > deknow Pi=3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196442881097566593344612847564823378678316527120190914564856692346034861045432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436..."love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law."Galatians5:22 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:55:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19307; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:49:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:49:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:48:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 22:48:14.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[F88CB860:01C1DCF3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >of crap that it is, this means that the repeater is constantly stretching >and squeezing the audio as it plays it back, very slightly, and subtly. It Jonathan- Maybe try the tempo-lock button. If I recall correctly this button is to be engaged when you are sure that the tempo source is going to be very steady. I've had good luck using this feature in beat-detect mode (it cuts down on the effect you're hearing), but I'm not sure if it works the same way in midi-mode. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 17:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19649; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:54:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:54:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405225405.11630.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:54:05 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Great review!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11e.e9eb91c.29df44da@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I just logged on and bought one (though I have no idea what 10 pounds > looks like in dollars). http://www.xe.com/ucc/ says that 10 GBP comes out to $14.3164 USD at the current exchange rate. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 18:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22482; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405232249.37992.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE:_re[2]:_Peavey_was_[eletrix_filter_factory_question¨] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > Well, I'm not claiming everything they make is great . . . But in the > beginning the name Peavey was synonymous with junk. Not really "junk", exactly. As far as I can remember back, Peavey products were always sturdy and had a good feature set, especially for the price they sold at. It's just that most of 'em didn't sound all that great. But it was tough to break 'em (ie, they sounded bad forever). > I think those are the days I am claiming are over. I still think they produce some bad sounding, cheap stuff. I've used some of their new(ish) mixers and I wouldn't buy one. They still make some nasty sounding guitar amps, etc. But...they also make some very good sounding things. The 5150 amps were nice, the Classic tube amps were pretty good. Some of their new instruments are excellent for the price. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 18:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23298; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:33:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:33:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:37:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: repeater pedals Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too have a behringer midi pedal. And after reading what Jonathan had to say, I went and pulled out my fs300 footswitch and AB'd the two. I had trouble noticing the latency, frankly, and though I do bring the smaller footswitch with me to gigs,as backup I now use the Behringer. Why? Because it gives me hands free operation of everything I want to be able to do with my repeater. Pretty much any front panel operation for that matter. It took me a while to understand the poorly translated manual and realize this thing's power. I agree that the feel of the pedal is different, more spongy like a boss momentary switch, but I'm used to that feel. I will give it more critical tests involving syncing to other devices, it was'nt that noticeable with just the midi pedal and the repeater. mmmm.... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 18:36:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23084; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:30:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:30:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405233016.39085.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you have it set to sync to midi clock, or is it doing this with it set to it's own internal clock? I haven't noticed mine doing this, but I don't do any midi with it right now. re: Evan I thought the padding was just in the wav file that's stored internally? I didn't think any of that was actually audible, so it shouldn't affect the repeater while you're using it, only when you take the wav files and import them into a computer from the CFC. Greg --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing. Could you > explain the > "padding"? > > I was refering to the actual timing of the loop, when following a > midi > clock. It sound to me like the unit is time stretching in real time, > in > anticipation of the the next midi clock 'tick'. Midi clock being the > peice > of crap that it is, this means that the repeater is constantly > stretching > and squeezing the audio as it plays it back, very slightly, and > subtly. It > would be nice if you could adjust it's 'stretch tolerance' or > threshold, but > I don't recall any mention of this in the manual, unless I mistook > the > aforementioned padding. > > The alternative, explanation is that I'm feeding my repeater crappy, > off-time loops, but being a rather poor workman, I think I'll stick > to > blaming my tools :> > > Thanks! > > bIz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 18:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23512; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020405233016.39085.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:34:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 23:34:24.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B1F4270:01C1DCFA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Do you have it set to sync to midi clock, or is it doing this with it > set to it's own internal clock? Everything's midi clocked. It's not massive, just a subtle bit off. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 18:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24030; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:42:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:42:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405234142.59728.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: RE: Repeater pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nathan Bannow wrote: > I think that your "sponginess" may be from the quantization of the > loop points to falling right on the down beat. YES! I've definitely experienced that. Forgetting to set the tempo before starting a new loop persistantly messes me up. It picks it's trim point by the tempo it's set at, so if it's tempo isn't your tempo, it'll do it's "Loop Point Assist" automatic trimming in the wrong place. > I find that I can kill any > sponginess (read: my initial sloppy tempo and record button press) by > entering trim seconds mode (hit trim twice), then rapidly hitting > play while turning the dial. This way I can find the perfect attack > location for the loop trigger point. Good tip, after the loop's recorded? Any tips on getting it right while you're doing the first time through? Obviously this is something that requires some practice, something I need to work on to get nice loops without a couple of botched attempts. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24894; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020405235716.46870.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Everything's midi clocked. > > It's not massive, just a subtle bit off. Well, mine is subtly off sometimes too, but I've always attributed that to my generally poor timing and my lack of coordination with the foot pedal button presses (using a FS-300). It sounds like your situation is probably different. As you said, maybe it's drift in your midi clock source. Seems like I've heard of sequencers that couldn't keep totally steady clock when they were doing a lot of stuff. Maybe your idea of a different clock source would help. Speaking of the fs-300, it's not my favorite pedal. It's too small, causing you to sometime press things unintentionally. Plus it won't stay steady on a carpeted floor (like in my studio). I'm going to try mounting it on a larger plate. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27041; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:11:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:11:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 00:10:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2002 00:10:11.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AEEA340:01C1DCFF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what its worth, here's what I've noticed as both an EDP and a repeater user: I CANNOT consistantly make good rythmically sounding loops (either start or stops are in the wrong place so there's a rhymic hiccup at the loop point) on the repeater. This is in user mode with no external syncing, and using either midi triggers or front panel buttons. It is very frustrating. I constantly wonder if I'm missing some repeater setup parameter or something. I'm a drummer so I know I hit the trigger on beat1 and the loop still sounds screwed up, its embarrasing and sounds bad. I CAN consistantly make good ryhmically sounding loops on the EDP using either midi triggers or front panel buttons. So this tells me that I can indeed hit my trigger on beat 1 consistantly. (For those of you who are used to drummers who can enterpret beat 1 a little more loosely:) The result: I never use the repeater without having it synced to an external clock or beat detect source, and for external synce it does a wonderful job. I usually start my loops on the EDP and sync my repeater to the EDP's midi clock output. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27665; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAE3E5F.A7050030@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:16:32 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? References: <20020405214204.42345.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You don't hear that "pad" unless you screw with the trim. Evan Meyers wrote: > > 'spongy'. I'll play something > > right on when I record it, and have it feel a little > > 'off' when it loops. Am > > I the hearing things? I'm thinking of rewiring my > > you aren't hearing things...if you check in the > manual, it says that the repeater pads the loop a bit > to leave room for trimming...i believe you can adjust > the default of the padding, but i've just gotten used > to it and i compensate for it when using my digitech > FS300 footswitch. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27264; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:13:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:13:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c1dcc5$253605d0$24f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_re=5B2=5D:_Peavey_was_=5Beletrix_filter_factory_ques?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?tion=A8=5D?= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:13:01 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "being from Mississippi and all . . . excuse me, but i live in mississippi. pardon you. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27470; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:15:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Barry Gordon" To: Subject: RE: Repeater pedals? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:20:43 -0800 Organization: Barry Gordon Music Production Message-ID: <000201c1dd00$e45aa9d0$0200a8c0@Business> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020405234142.59728.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm brand new on here. Today I bought Recycle. Any advice or comments? Barry Gordon Protools Studio. -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 3:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater pedals? --- Nathan Bannow wrote: > I think that your "sponginess" may be from the quantization of the > loop points to falling right on the down beat. YES! I've definitely experienced that. Forgetting to set the tempo before starting a new loop persistantly messes me up. It picks it's trim point by the tempo it's set at, so if it's tempo isn't your tempo, it'll do it's "Loop Point Assist" automatic trimming in the wrong place. > I find that I can kill any > sponginess (read: my initial sloppy tempo and record button press) by > entering trim seconds mode (hit trim twice), then rapidly hitting play > while turning the dial. This way I can find the perfect attack > location for the loop trigger point. Good tip, after the loop's recorded? Any tips on getting it right while you're doing the first time through? Obviously this is something that requires some practice, something I need to work on to get nice loops without a couple of botched attempts. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:26:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27397; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAE3DE0.F1130525@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:14:25 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater pedals? References: <20020405211437.XVCD15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a test where I recorded the audio of a drum machine that was feeding the Repeater midi clock, and it was almost dead on. A little flanging, but no noticable delay. This was a BIG change from OS 1's midi synch issues. I'm using the Digitech FS300, and I think it's dead on for triggering and synch. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > OAN, to my ears, the repeater playback is bit 'spongy'. I'll play something > right on when I record it, and have it feel a little 'off' when it loops. Am > I the hearing things? I'm thinking of rewiring my midi cables, to see if the > making the unit closer to the master clock would improve things. > > bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28026; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:21:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAE3F72.356E85E0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:21:07 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please References: <20020405155925.15439.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <3CAE0E92.2C7984A3@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm. Maybe it's just a combo of my Steinberger and the 2120. You're using a stick, eh? Could just not be voiced well for that instrument. I go out of my 2120 into my board, and that's it. Most of my presets are based on ones that came with the unit, with some tweaks. I may just not be very discerning. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Mark, we need to trade patches. I think the 2120 preamp's a pile of crap. > Prove me wrong, and I'll send you my 'signature sound' looping patches. The > knowledge that they are in the public domain might motivate me to work on > some better ones :> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:35:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28207; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:24:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:24:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CAE4011.694E16F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:23:46 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please References: <20020405155925.15439.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <3CAE0E92.2C7984A3@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually, now that I think of it, I'm always having issues getting Katrin's Stick to sound good. She's broke, so we first tried a Behringer V-Amp, and that didn't work, now she's using a new cheap Digitech pedal... $149 or so. Sounds pretty good for the most part. I think it's the Stick's pickups need...something guitar products don't have. Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Mark, we need to trade patches. I think the 2120 preamp's a pile of crap. > Prove me wrong, and I'll send you my 'signature sound' looping patches. The > knowledge that they are in the public domain might motivate me to work on > some better ones :> > > > box, not fully a table top, not a good floor pedal. Great time based > > effects. I'd love to see this thing with my mods as a rack unit with some > > more knobs to tweak and a dedicated foot pedal. > > Why not hook up the behringy-thingy? > > > > > > > > just doin my part to keep the gear lust workin' for the list... > > > > > > Yeah. Thanks a bunch... > > > > > Yeah. My wallet says screw you all. > > I say: > > http://www.pedalpad.com > http://64.7.11.61/ > http://www.wiard.com > http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm > http://www.harmony-central.com/cgi-bin/buyer.pl?wtb=Forsale+%2B+Wanted+Ads&c > ategory=Don%27t+Care&subject=emu&price=99999&age=99999&condition=0+-+Don%27t > +Care&date=3&buyerzip=&owner=on&dealer=on > > bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 19:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29549; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:57:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 19:57:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020405155925.15439.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> <3CAE0E92.2C7984A3@zerocrossing.net> <3CAE4011.694E16F@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:55:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2002 00:55:57.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0164560:01C1DD05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hmmmm. Maybe it's just a combo of my Steinberger and the 2120. You're using a >stick, eh? Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on the idea. I'm tempted to put a pair of AT7 in my 2120s to see if I can tame the gain into something a little musical. Are there any preamp tubes with even >less< gain? >Most of my presets are based on ones that >came with the unit, with some tweaks. I may just not be very discerning. None of the presets use nearly enough of the box's power for mangling and looping. Give it another look - it's capable of some really wild stuff. I'll send you some examples. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please > actually, now that I think of it, I'm always having issues getting Katrin's > Stick to sound good. She's broke, so we first tried a Behringer V-Amp, and > that didn't work, now she's using a new cheap Digitech pedal... $149 or so. > Sounds pretty good for the most part. I think it's the Stick's pickups > need...something guitar products don't have. > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > > Mark, we need to trade patches. I think the 2120 preamp's a pile of crap. > > Prove me wrong, and I'll send you my 'signature sound' looping patches. The > > knowledge that they are in the public domain might motivate me to work on > > some better ones :> > > > > > box, not fully a table top, not a good floor pedal. Great time based > > > effects. I'd love to see this thing with my mods as a rack unit with some > > > more knobs to tweak and a dedicated foot pedal. > > > > Why not hook up the behringy-thingy? > > > > > > > > > > > just doin my part to keep the gear lust workin' for the list... > > > > > > > > Yeah. Thanks a bunch... > > > > > > > > Yeah. My wallet says screw you all. > > > > I say: > > > > http://www.pedalpad.com > > http://64.7.11.61/ > > http://www.wiard.com > > http://www.musiclab.com/products/rpl_info.htm > > http://www.harmony-central.com/cgi-bin/buyer.pl?wtb=Forsale+%2B+Wanted+Ads&c > > ategory=Don%27t+Care&subject=emu&price=99999&age=99999&condition=0+-+Don%27t > > +Care&date=3&buyerzip=&owner=on&dealer=on > > > > bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 21:01:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01719; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:00:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:00:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.54] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater pedals Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 01:59:13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2002 01:59:23.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC771310:01C1DD0E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi master Chilly B, and Loopers..... this is Papa Dave..... my  behringer is doing some interesting things and changing the settings on the Proteus 2000 and sometimes other things when I am not expecting it... :- )~   I am getting used to it though and I am amazed how much easier it is to use the Repeater.....I am having alot of fun........I am also springing for a sampler as the deals I'm getting are sinful, the Emu E 5000....I am in a 12 step group for G.A.S.(gear acqusition syndrom) but so far it's not working.....what the hell....life is short and why wait....let me know when you can come by again.....I may come and hear you tonight....

              Loop on my brothers......             Om and Out, Grasshopper

>From: "William R. Walker,"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: repeater pedals
>Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:37:59 -0800
>
> I too have a behringer midi pedal. And after reading what Jonathan had to
>say, I went and pulled out my fs300 footswitch and AB'd the two. I had
>trouble noticing the latency, frankly, and though I do bring the smaller
>footswitch with me to gigs,as backup I now use the Behringer. Why? Because
>it gives me hands free operation of everything I want to be able to do with
>my repeater. Pretty much any front panel operation for that matter. It took
>me a while to understand the poorly translated manual and realize this
>thing's power. I agree that the feel of the pedal is different, more spongy
>like a boss momentary switch, but I'm used to that feel. I will give it
>more critical tests involving syncing to other devices, it was'nt that
>noticeable with just the midi pedal and the repeater. mmmm....
>Bill
>
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 21:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03312; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:47:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:47:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020406024706.63249.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on the > idea. Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... > I'm tempted to put a pair of AT7 in my 2120s to see if I can tame the > gain into something a little musical. Are there any preamp tubes > with even >less< gain? IIRC, the 12AU7 has less gain in that same pinout. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 21:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03341; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:47:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:47:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:45:29 +0800 Subject: Re: Line 6 Purple Filter Modeler From: Darrell Havard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <146.b266cba.29c475aa@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3100884329_79694_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <17Z3xC.A.C0.FHmr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3100884329_79694_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3/16/02 6:17 PM, PJBMHB@aol.com at PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: Anyone have one of these? How are they? thanks, PJ I own one and I love it. The different q-tron/mu tron sounds rock. I think they're about as good or better than the q-trons and mu-trons out now. Tweaking it is a bit of a problem, though. The controls are relative to how you saved the patch so you might get a little frustrated trying to dial up the same tone you did the day before. Just save it when you get it and you'll have a lot more fun. Some sounds can be pretty harsh on one instrument but sound really good on another. --MS_Mac_OE_3100884329_79694_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Line 6 Purple Filter Modeler on 3/16/02 6:17 PM, PJBMHB@aol.com at PJBMHB@aol.com wrote:

Anyone have one of these? How are they? thank= s, PJ

I own one and I love it.  The different q-tron/mu tron sounds rock. &n= bsp;I think they're about as good or better than the q-trons and mu-trons ou= t now.  Tweaking it is a bit of a problem, though.  The controls a= re relative to how you saved the patch so you might get a little frustrated = trying to dial up the same tone you did the day before.  Just save it w= hen you get it and you'll have a lot more fun.  
Some sounds can be pretty harsh on one instrument but sound really good on = another. --MS_Mac_OE_3100884329_79694_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 21:49:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03178; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020406024258.43770.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CAE3F72.356E85E0@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I may just not be very discerning. I'm sure you're plenty discerning. My guess is that it's just a subjective thing, based on the sounds you want to hear for the music you make. I've heard all kinds of sounds that are cool in other people's music, but just don't work for me. Some people like Fender amps, some like Marshalls. Viva la differance (sic). Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 23:14:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08341; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:12:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b801c1dce6$8abb3d00$24f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Line 6 Purple Filter Modeler Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 22:12:05 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C1DCEE.EBA6AA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C1DCEE.EBA6AA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Line 6 Purple Filter Modelerdarrell- i was wondering when you might pop up. are you looping yet? ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C1DCEE.EBA6AA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Line 6 Purple Filter Modeler
darrell-
 
i was wondering when you might pop up.  are you = looping=20 yet?
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C1DCEE.EBA6AA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 5 23:26:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08873; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:24:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:24:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c1dd23$36563de0$a755e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <00b801c1dce6$8abb3d00$24f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Robert Rich + Radio In Ambience Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:26:24 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4Pa-n.A.UKC.ihnr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week features two special Ambient Ping co-presentations: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's finally here! - This Sunday, April 7th - ROBERT RICH live at Art System Gallery, 327 Spadina Ave.(just north of Dundas) The Ambient Ping and Stained Productions proudly present ambient electronic music pioneer ROBERT RICH in concert with special guests, soundscape artists dreamSTATE and a light environment by General Chaos Visuals. $15 at the door - Doors open at 8:00 PM dreamSTATE at 8:45 PM - Robert Rich at 10:00 PM This is an all ages and non-smoking event Juice and soft drinks will be available For this gallery concert event, floor space will be reserved in front of the stage area for people bringing pillows, cushions, blankets or sleeping bags to get comfy on, followed by rings of chairs and then space for standing. See you there! More information at the Stained Productions website: http://www.stainedproductions.com/events/rich/index.html For a flyer with a map, that you can print on one page, click: http://www.theambientping.com/map_327spadina.html * Robert Rich - http://www.rrich.com/rrframeset.html * dreamSTATE - http://www.dreamSTATE.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday - April 9th 2002 - RADIO in AMBIENCE 9PM @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. This special free presentation for Deep Wireless in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art features several experimental artists making extensive use of radio as a live ambient sound source. * Deep Wireless - http://www.soundtravels.ca/deepwireless.html Jakob Thiesen and "audio contortionist" Neil Wiernik (naw) plan a "soundclash of biblical proportions" using live short-wave radios being shredded with custom sound manipulation software. Granular-synthesis is the word of the day as they remix material from from each others computers on the fly. * Jakob Thiesen - http://www.theambientping.com/thiesen/home.html * Neil Wiernik - http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com/naw.htm Susanna Hood and Nilan Perera will perform with radios prepared to be constantly scanning through stations, lingering sometimes on a clear signal and sometimes on the in-between static, bleeps and whirs. Applying treatments and loops, they will be merging the signals with electric guitar, voice and other odds and ends. The sound information from the radio will direct the rest of their sound choices, from mimicking to accompanying the radio. Sometimes the audience will hear only their interpretation of the source materials and not the sound of the radio itself. * Susanna Hood - http://www.humprojects.org/subio.html * Nilan Perera - http://www.interlog.com/%7Espeeb/cinn_bio_perera.htm Between sets CD - "Plight and Premonition" (Virgin) by David Sylvian & Holger Czukay < Beautiful and elusive ambience from 1988 with radio as one of it's source materials > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 04:22:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24308; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 04:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 04:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c1dc83$739ed4a0$5a62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200204052341.SAA23926@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: PEAVEY was................ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:22:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Rik, I'm so glad someone had the chutzpah to say good things about Peavey equipment. Another thing that radicalized the industry was that Peavey put excellent reliable equipment into the hands of a lot of people who could not afford most other more expensive gear. They were a great populist company!. Early on, their KB300 was the ONLY affordable drum synth/synth amp on the market for a struggling young professional musician like myself. As a drummer/percussionist, I would have never gotten deeply into sampling and triggering and processing so early on without this piece of gear. No, I don't own it anymore (those powered Mackies have me spoiled) but I smile everytime I see one on stage or for sale. kudos to Hartley Peavey and his company and kudos to you for saying what you did. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) Rik Elswit wrote: "This IS reflexive Peavey bashing. They excellent equipment. Period......." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 09:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06856; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:56:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:56:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:50:31 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: PEAVEY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CAEFD26.F926A348@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200204052341.SAA23926@hemlock.violacea.com> <007001c1dc83$739ed4a0$5a62f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dittos on Peaveys' reliability. In the last few weeks, I switched to bass (on an ADG tapper) in our group and my bass amp blew up. I had a Peavey amp that has to be 16 or 17 years old in the basement, pulled it out and it worked great at a gig last night. Now if I can find a brace for my back I'll be fine. Mike Killian "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Dear Rik, I'm so glad someone had the chutzpah to say good things about > Peavey equipment. > > Another thing that radicalized the industry was that Peavey put excellent > reliable equipment into the hands of > a lot of people who could not afford most other more expensive gear. They > were a great populist company!. > > Early on, their KB300 was the ONLY affordable drum synth/synth amp on the > market for a struggling > young professional musician like myself. As a drummer/percussionist, I > would have never gotten deeply > into sampling and triggering and processing so early on without this piece > of gear. > No, I don't own it anymore (those powered Mackies have me spoiled) but I > smile everytime I see one on stage or > for sale. > > kudos to Hartley Peavey and his company and kudos to you for saying what you > did. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > Rik Elswit wrote: > "This IS reflexive Peavey bashing. They excellent equipment. > Period......." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 09:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08895; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:09:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:09:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Ivens de Carvalho" To: Subject: New on the list Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:21:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello! My name is Frank Carvalho. Joined this list as I have been looking for a forum to discuss reel-to-reel machines, tape delays etc. I make prog rock with an experimental electronic edge, and to get some really great effects I use a ReVox A77 and an old Bang&Olufsen Beocord 2000 to supplement a Boss DD-3 and some funky Yamaha effect unit. So as you see, lo-fi is not a big problem for me, but maybe rather an interesting property of the equipment. Is there anybody on this list that would know anything about maintaining a Beocord 2000? I have several problems with this machine, but I would like to get it to work properly, as it records in 2 track, has a very slow speed and built in S-on-S. My problem is that it seems not to have the force anymore to drive the tape forward at the fastest speed. What are the most common problems of this sort? Another question related to the A77. I recently put on some app. 20 ys. old masters to transfer the music to computer. I properly cleaned the heads, but horror, it sounds like the head make big noisy scratches on the magnetic surface. I am afraid that I may have lost a lot of precious information on the old tapes, and I am afraid to put more original master tapes onto it. Is this a problem with the heads, or is it the tape age? The tapes seemed to leave quite a lot of residue. If it is the tapes, what is the procedure of baking tapes? Cheers Frank Carvalho From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 10:17:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12513; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1dd7e$43b46c40$c756e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: New on the list Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:18:11 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Another question related to the A77. I recently put on some app. 20 ys. > old masters to transfer the music to computer. I properly cleaned the > heads, but horror, it sounds like the head make big noisy scratches on the > magnetic surface. I am afraid that I may have lost a lot of precious > information on the old tapes, and I am afraid to put more original master > tapes onto it. Is this a problem with the heads, or is it the tape age? > The tapes seemed to leave quite a lot of residue. If it is the tapes, > what is the procedure of baking tapes? > > Cheers > > Frank Carvalho Frank - You likely were using Ampex 456 or 406 and around 20 years ago, they were switching formulas from one that used a whale-oil based tape-binding agent to a more humane one. It took them a while to get the replacement formulas working well and many/most tapes from that era suffer from your problem. You are on the right track - the tape will have to be 'baked' at a very stable 55 degrees (Centegrade) temperature for about 24 hours to drive out the humidity and then transferred to another medium - hopefully in one pass, though I've read that the treatment will last for months if the tape remains in very low humidity storage. Incubators and suitably sized food dehydrators can do the job. A friend of mine reported success with his gas oven, though the tape was beginning to smoke - so that's not recommended! No microwaves either. Good luck. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 13:02:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23572; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:01:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:01:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:00:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020406024706.63249.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <39D3EE2F-4988-11D6-A725-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? Mark On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:47 PM, Greg House wrote: > > --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on the >> idea. > > Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 13:06:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23395; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:00:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:00:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020406092607.03142ec0@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 09:53:14 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Tom Heasley Subject: Music At Noon, Wed., April 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6595712==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_6595712==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Santa Clara University presents > >Tom Heasley, Composer/Performer > >ambiences for electroacoustic tuba > > >Music at Noon >Santa Clara University >500 El Camino Real >Wednesday, April 10, 2002, 12 PM >www.scu.edu >408.554.4429 >FREE > >"...a rich and sonorous aural experience that flies in the face of all the >dumb cliches about what tuba music is." - Richard Zvonar, Ph.D. > >"...In a rare pattern, I have actually listened to the CD three >times! That may not mean much to you but for me that is a big deal - when >I often barely listen one time through. So that tells me your CD - Where >the Earth Meets the Sky (www.hypnos.com) - definitely has lots to offer." > - Stuart Dempster, sound gatherer, trombonist > >Look for Heasley's latest release, On the Sensations of Tone (Innova), >soon in stores everywhere. And of course, let me know if you would rather not receive these occasional announcements. Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 E: heasley@hypnos.com --=====================_6595712==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Santa Clara University presents

Tom Heasley, Composer/Performer

ambiences for electroacoustic tuba


Music at Noon
Santa Clara University
500 El Camino Real
Wednesday, April 10, 2002, 12 PM
www.scu.edu
408.554.4429
FREE

"...a rich and sonorous aural experience that flies in the face of all the dumb cliches about what tuba music is."  - Richard Zvonar, Ph.D.

"...In a rare pattern, I have actually listened to the CD three times!  That may not mean much to you but for me that is a big deal - when I often barely listen one time through.  So that tells me your CD - Where the Earth Meets the Sky (www.hypnos.com) - definitely has lots to offer." 
  - Stuart Dempster, sound gatherer, trombonist

Look for Heasley's latest release, On the Sensations of Tone (Innova), soon in stores everywhere.


And of course, let me know if you would rather not receive these occasional announcements.


Tom Heasley
Composer/Tubist
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html

427 Alma St., Suite 206         
Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                
F:  419.831.3809
E:  heasley@hypnos.com --=====================_6595712==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 13:12:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24128; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:11:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:11:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:07:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020406024258.43770.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <29745060-4989-11D6-A725-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So true! I always admire some people's tone, yet there are some that although I like they're playing, I just never can dig their guitar sound. Mark On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:42 PM, Greg House wrote: > > Some people like Fender amps, some like Marshalls. Viva la differance > (sic). > > Greg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 13:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24217; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:11:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:11:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:11:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <0-u95D.A.63F.Gpzr8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 04:55 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > I'm tempted to put a pair of AT7 in my 2120s to see if I can tame the > gain > into something a little musical. Are there any preamp tubes with even > >less< > gain? I hate to say that I've never changed the tubes in this baby. Haven't found the need yet. > >> Most of my presets are based on ones that >> came with the unit, with some tweaks. I may just not be very >> discerning. > > None of the presets use nearly enough of the box's power for mangling > and > looping. Give it another look - it's capable of some really wild stuff. > I'll > send you some examples. > Ooooo goodie! Send away! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 13:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25325; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:29:06 -0800 Subject: Re: PEAVEY was................ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007001c1dc83$739ed4a0$5a62f93f@global> Message-Id: <2DDF7804-498C-11D6-A725-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 01:22 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > Dear Rik, I'm so glad someone had the chutzpah to say good things about > Peavey equipment. > Hey! What about me? :^) I'm the one who's lower back is still sore from lugging a pair of KB60s around! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 16:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03451; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:08:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 16:08:37 -0500 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: PEAVEY was................ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004a01c1ddaf$38b054e0$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200204052341.SAA23926@hemlock.violacea.com> <007001c1dc83$739ed4a0$5a62f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: <9SKg0.A.Y1.NP2r8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, I used to have a KB300 too. Man I broke my back carrying that sucker around. I traded mine in many years ago, and I too am now spoiled by the Mackies 450s with the S1500 subs. (which I don't like to lift alone either) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:22 AM Subject: PEAVEY was................ > Dear Rik, I'm so glad someone had the chutzpah to say good things about > Peavey equipment. > > Another thing that radicalized the industry was that Peavey put excellent > reliable equipment into the hands of > a lot of people who could not afford most other more expensive gear. They > were a great populist company!. > > Early on, their KB300 was the ONLY affordable drum synth/synth amp on the > market for a struggling > young professional musician like myself. As a drummer/percussionist, I > would have never gotten deeply > into sampling and triggering and processing so early on without this piece > of gear. > No, I don't own it anymore (those powered Mackies have me spoiled) but I > smile everytime I see one on stage or > for sale. > > kudos to Hartley Peavey and his company and kudos to you for saying what you > did. > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > Rik Elswit wrote: > "This IS reflexive Peavey bashing. They excellent equipment. > Period......." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 17:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08588; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001c01c1dcf1$8eec89a0$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> References: <13.9675923.29df5671@aol.com> <001c01c1dcf1$8eec89a0$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 14:55:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Peavey [makes VERY nice basses] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Just thought I'd chime in to say I LOVE MY PEAVEY CIRRUS 5, (WALNUT & >WENGE). If you haven't played these basses, DO SO !. They sell for >$1300-$1500, and play like $3000-$4000 instruments. Even my buddies who play >a Ken Smith & Fodera basses love my Cirrus (although I couldn't convince >them to trade with me). > >Other than that, I can also say that I owned a PV power amp that kicked >serious ass and was VERY reasonably priced. I wasn't getting alot of use out >of it though, so I sold it to Dan Ash (hi Dan) a while back. > >Bottom Line....ain't nuthin wrong with PV. (except it's sometimes hard to >find the dealers, cause they usually ignore the big chains and focus on the >Mom & Pop stores....and that's by their choice too) I played a Peavey 6-string bass recently that was very very nice, though the fingerboard was not to my taste (too wide for my dinky hands), it was clearly a very well built and playable instrument. I also own the PC-1600 and SPAF filter, and they're both quite useful, nothing magical, but they do what the should and I wouldn't be without them. A studio I work at has their tube mic pre, and it's also nice. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 6 18:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10422; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 18:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 18:12:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:11:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Peavey [makes VERY nice basses] Resent-Message-ID: <98GQzC.A.UhC.6C4r8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great musicians playing peavey instruments: proof that it really is in the fingers. nice instruments are a privelage, not a necessity. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 00:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30877; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:25:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:25:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.254692ea.29e13238@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:25:12 EST Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.254692ea.29e13238_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <3QHPnC.A.0hH.Dh9r8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9f.254692ea.29e13238_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/02 1:10:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > I always admire some people's tone, yet there are some that > although I like they're playing, I just never can dig their guitar sound. > > an interesting thing about looping.....you cant blame anyone else.....sometimes makes me want to cry.....sometimes makes me feel free.....mayhaps i should have stuck with photography.....i should sell everything.....or if i only had an adrenalin.....ooooohhhhh.....michael --part1_9f.254692ea.29e13238_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/02 1:10:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


I always admire some people's tone, yet there are some that
although I like they're playing, I just never can dig their guitar sound.



an interesting thing about looping.....you cant blame anyone else.....sometimes makes me want to cry.....sometimes makes me feel free.....mayhaps i should have stuck with photography.....i should sell everything.....or if i only had an adrenalin.....ooooohhhhh.....michael --part1_9f.254692ea.29e13238_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 00:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31156; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.1c3c8195.29e132e2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 00:28:02 EST Subject: p.s. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i hate this spring forward stuff.....it jams me up!.....talk about messin with a loop!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 11:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04374; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:04:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:04:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <169.bab1847.29e1b9a1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:02:57 EDT Subject: Re: Music At Noon, Wed., April 10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_169.bab1847.29e1b9a1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_169.bab1847.29e1b9a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New! "World Class Guitar Music"... CD release Coming Soon from Wannadu! Stay tuned for details...and visit our website: http://www.wannadu.com "Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul) featuring Jazzamenco guitarist/songwriter, Wayne Wesley Johnson Nylon & Steel String Acoustic & Electric Guitars, Requinto, & Glissentar... by Wayne Wesley Johnson with special guest virtuoso artist appearances... in alphabetical order T.W."Tom" Doyle (guitar) & Nokie Edwards of "The Ventures" (guitar), Gao Hong (pipa), Consuelo Luz (ethereal voices), Mario Reynolds (pan flute / charango), Matt Vaughn (violin) with accompaniment by Ben Lucero / Tim Stroh (bass) , Josef Martinez (latin percussion) & K.C. Morris (drums & l.p.) Executive Producer Wannadu, LLC Produced & Arranged by Wayne Wesley Johnson Associate Arranger Fire of the Gypsy, Sambaleo, Camina no corras, Venus & The River Suite T.W. "Tom" Doyle WWJ's Original Music Publishing Wannadu Music a division of Wannadu, LLC Song Sequence Rumba Azul aka Blue Rumba currently aired on WBTV's "Roswell" Baile de la paloma aka Dance of the Dove John Lennon Songwriter's Contest Winner Cancion del alma aka Song from the Soul Segovia's Dream Fire of the Gypsy heard on Discovery Channel's "Outward Bound" Chi di di cha cha Camina no corras aka Walk Don't Run Venus Rumba Oriental Sambaleo The River Suite Pharoah's Journey Pipeline Melancolia Recorded Analog at Stepbridge Studios, Santa Fe, N.M. "Stepbridge Studios/Santa Fe, NM - New Mexico's Premiere Recording Studio Featuring SSL & Neve" and Sound Control Studios, Nashville, Tn. Engineering Tim Stroh Mark Mosley Mixing T.W. "Tom" Doyle Tim Stroh 24 bit HD-CD digital mastering Terra Nova Digital, Austin, Texas Pressing & Packaging Sound Recorders, Austin, Texas Wannadu, LLC P.O. Box 212 Oldwick, New Jersey USA 08858-0212 phone: 001.908.236.2900 fax: 001.908.236.2985 email. Wjguitar@aol.com http://www.wannadu.com "Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & fine drummer, too!" Living Guitar Legend, Les Paul at the Iridium, NYC ---------------- A message from Dr. Mark Pritcher, CAAS President As President of the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society it is my pleasure to recommend Wayne Wesley Johnson as a fine guitarist and a fine entertainer. He has performed at our annual convention for over five years in Nashville, Tennessee. He is accomplished in several styles of music, including jazz, flamenco, and thumbstyle playing in the Atkins/Travis style. His unique compositions combine the worlds of jazz and flamenco. I hope you have an opportunity soon to invite Wayne Wesley Johnson to perform his music for you. Mark Pritcher --------- Learn more about what WWJ's been up to... Sites to visit: http://wannadu.com http://guitarsforlife.com http://bresh.com ----------- --part1_169.bab1847.29e1b9a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

New!  "World Class Guitar Music"... CD release Coming Soon from Wannadu!
Stay tuned for details...and visit our website:
http://www.wannadu.com


"Canciones del alma" (Songs from the Soul)
featuring Jazzamenco guitarist/songwriter,  Wayne Wesley Johnson

Nylon & Steel String Acoustic & Electric Guitars, Requinto, & Glissentar... 
by Wayne Wesley Johnson

with special guest virtuoso artist appearances... 
in alphabetical order
 T.W."Tom" Doyle (guitar) & Nokie Edwards of "The Ventures" (guitar), 
Gao Hong (pipa), Consuelo Luz (ethereal voices),
Mario Reynolds (pan flute / charango),  Matt Vaughn (violin)

with accompaniment by
Ben Lucero / Tim Stroh (bass) , Josef Martinez (latin percussion) & K.C. Morris (drums & l.p.)

Executive Producer
Wannadu, LLC

Produced & Arranged by
Wayne Wesley Johnson

 Associate Arranger 
Fire of the Gypsy, Sambaleo, Camina no corras, Venus & The River Suite
T.W. "Tom" Doyle

WWJ's Original Music Publishing
Wannadu Music
a division of Wannadu, LLC

Song Sequence

Rumba Azul aka Blue Rumba currently aired on WBTV's "Roswell"
Baile de la paloma aka Dance of the Dove John Lennon Songwriter's Contest Winner
Cancion del alma aka Song from the Soul
Segovia's Dream
Fire of the Gypsy heard on Discovery Channel's "Outward Bound"
Chi di di cha cha
Camina no corras aka Walk Don't Run
Venus
Rumba Oriental
Sambaleo
The River Suite
Pharoah's Journey
Pipeline 
Melancolia

Recorded Analog at
Stepbridge Studios, Santa Fe, N.M.
  "Stepbridge Studios/Santa Fe, NM - New Mexico's Premiere Recording Studio Featuring SSL & Neve"
and
Sound Control Studios, Nashville, Tn.

Engineering
Tim Stroh
Mark Mosley

Mixing 
T.W. "Tom" Doyle
Tim Stroh

24 bit HD-CD digital mastering 
Terra Nova Digital, Austin, Texas

Pressing & Packaging 
Sound Recorders, Austin, Texas

Wannadu, LLC
P.O. Box 212
Oldwick, New Jersey USA
08858-0212
phone: 001.908.236.2900
fax: 001.908.236.2985
email. Wjguitar@aol.com
http://www.wannadu.com




















"Wayne Wesley Johnson is a fine guitarist & fine drummer, too!"
Living Guitar Legend,  Les Paul at the Iridium, NYC

----------------

A message from Dr. Mark Pritcher, CAAS President

As President of the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society it is my pleasure to recommend Wayne Wesley Johnson as a fine guitarist and a fine entertainer. He has performed at our annual convention for over five years in Nashville, Tennessee. He is accomplished in several styles of music, including jazz, flamenco, and thumbstyle playing in the Atkins/Travis style. His unique compositions combine the worlds of jazz and flamenco. I hope you have an opportunity soon to invite Wayne Wesley Johnson to perform his music for you.   Mark Pritcher

---------

Learn more about what WWJ's been up to...

Sites to visit:

http://wannadu.com
http://guitarsforlife.com
http://bresh.com

-----------


--part1_169.bab1847.29e1b9a1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 12:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08892; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:12:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: NYC: 4.10.2002, Microtonal guitar at Chama To: "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , tuning@music.columbia.edu, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , Ohmbient list , extremeNY@topica.com, thewire-announcements@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002801c1de4f$161a75a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oa4n2rcy86fTtVsOLlHgyg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_oa4n2rcy86fTtVsOLlHgyg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DAVID BEARDSLEY Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, fretless guitar, echoes, loops, drones, minimalism and video. "Microtonal GOD" Downtown Music Gallery, NYC. "Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl. Wednesday April 10th, 2002 8 p.m., $2.00 Chama 332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D East Village, NYC 646-654-6472 http://biink.com * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_oa4n2rcy86fTtVsOLlHgyg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
DAVID BEARDSLEY
 
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar,
fretless guitar, echoes,
loops, drones, minimalism
and video.
 
"Microtonal GOD"
Downtown Music Gallery, NYC.
 
"Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another."
Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl.
 
Wednesday April 10th, 2002
8 p.m., $2.00
 
Chama
332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
East Village, NYC 646-654-6472
 
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_oa4n2rcy86fTtVsOLlHgyg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 13:41:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13916; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:39:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.f42e083.29e1de22@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:38:42 EDT Subject: I'm BACK!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11c.f42e083.29e1de22_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11c.f42e083.29e1de22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow so many e-mails, such a busy list... I accidentally unsubscribed thinking I was unsubscribing to something else possibly, I just went in and cleaned house on mailing lists ... at any rate for anyone who cares, I used to sign on as kkstrtchby ... and now I'm back! mp3.com loopers please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html --part1_11c.f42e083.29e1de22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow so many e-mails, such a busy list... I accidentally unsubscribed thinking I was unsubscribing to something else possibly, I just went in and cleaned house on mailing lists ... at any rate for anyone who cares, I used to sign on as kkstrtchby ... and now I'm back!

mp3.com loopers please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to:
looping9string@aol.com
for:
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html


--part1_11c.f42e083.29e1de22_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 13:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14392; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:46:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020407174543.42934.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <39D3EE2F-4988-11D6-A725-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, yeah, but it's the same sort of thing. He used to play Chapmans. Tony Levin still plays Chapmans and he uses distortion, so perhaps a more accurate example. Greg --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? > > Mark > > On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:47 PM, Greg House wrote: > > > > > --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > >> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on > the > >> idea. > > > > Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 14:15:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16632; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:09:09 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New on the list In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:21 PM +0200 4/6/02, Ivens de Carvalho wrote: >I recently put on some app. 20 ys. >old masters to transfer the music to computer. I properly cleaned the >heads, but horror, it sounds like the head make big noisy scratches on the >magnetic surface. I am afraid that I may have lost a lot of precious >information on the old tapes, and I am afraid to put more original master >tapes onto it. Is this a problem with the heads, or is it the tape age? >The tapes seemed to leave quite a lot of residue. If it is the tapes, >what is the procedure of baking tapes? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=baking+tapes turns up the following: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/tape/Baking_Tapes.html http://www.radiocollege.org/rc/baking.html http://www.audio-restoration.com/baking.htm http://www.josephson.com/bake_tape.html http://lists.themacintoshguy.com/Lists/MacProAudio/Message/967.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 14:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16964; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11c.f42e083.29e1de22@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:20:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: I'm BACK!!! Cc: looping9string@aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA16858 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>mp3.com loopers please submit your artist name and first choice of your >>available works to: >>looping9string@aol.com >>for: >>http://stations.mp3 >>s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html I have a page http://www.mp3.com/justjohn , tho I haven't been updating it recently. Of the loop-intensive tracks, "I Cut It Sparse, Grey" is the calmest and "Sleeping Through Xmas" is the rattliest ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 15:51:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22887; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB0B0DE.AD0CD353@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:54:42 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: OT: harry partch in netherlands Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From Bob Gilmore I have received news of a series of concerts of the music of Harry Partch in the Netherlands. Bob says that from the outset the idea was to create an opportunity for young Dutch musicians to perform Partch's music alongside a seasoned veteran, and in this instance he is referring to John Schneider. Schneider will be heard in Barstow, Three Intrusions, December 1942, and parts of Bitter Music (in the last he is joined by Huib Ramaer in the role of actor and the Flemish pianist Daan Vandewalle). One of the other notable features of the series is the first public outing of a new Adapted Viola, commissioned from the Amsterdam violin-maker Ronald de Jongh by the viola player Elisabeth Smalt. Elisabeth together with the singer Johan Lippens will perform eight of the Seventeen Lyrics by Li Po. HARRY PARTCH: THE TRUTH ABOUT TUNE 7 April, Muziekcentrum 's-Hertogenbosch Prins Bernhardstraat 4-6 (near Parkeergarage Wolvenhoek) Talk: 19.00, concert: 20.30. Reservations: +31 (73) 6122 123 / info@hetmuziekcentrum.nl 9 April, Grand Theatre, Groningen Grote Markt 35, Groningen Talk: 19.30, concert: 20.30. Reservations: +31 (50) 3140550. 14 April Teylers Museum, Haarlem Spaarne 16, 2011 CH Haarlem Concert: 15.00 Entry free on admission to the Teylers Museum Reservations: +31 (23) 5319010 15 April, Felix Meritis, Amsterdam Keizersgracht 324, Amsterdam Talk: 19.00, concert: 20.30 Reservations: +31 (20) 6231311 17 April, Theater Lantaren/Venster, Rotterdam Gouvernestraat 133, Rotterdam Talk: 19.00, concert: 20.30 Reservations: +31 (10) 2772277 / http://www.lantaren-venster.nl 20 April, Zaal Conservatorium, Maastricht Noord-Amerika Festival Conservatorium Maastricht Bonnefantenstraat 15, Maastricht Talk: 19.00, concert: 20.30 Reservations: +31 (43) 3250511, stichtingintro@compuserve.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 15:52:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23229; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:51:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:51:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:50:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020407174543.42934.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <5G5y3.A._pF.iMKs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, all I was saying was that the Stick isn't a bass and guitar slapped together. The pickups sound very different, and your standard guitar effects just don't sound all that good on them. Perhaps bass processors work better? The only evidence of that is that I can get some pretty good tone out of a Behringer V-Amp, yet the stick generally sounded bad through it. When we went out and tried the Digitech BP-200 we found a lot of it's presets sounded fairly good with just a bit of tweaking. Now, neither box would be called high end, but there was something about the general voicing of the BP-200 that made a big difference, on the high and low strings of the Stick. So Jon, what are you using as a preamp these days? I thought you sounded good when we played together, you using the Digitech 2120s. I also though you sounded really good when I saw you at Hush Hush in SF. When I saw Trey last, he and the other Warr guitarist in his band were both using Line6 Pod pros, bass and guitar models. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 10:45 AM, Greg House wrote: > Well, yeah, but it's the same sort of thing. He used to play Chapmans. > > Tony Levin still plays Chapmans and he uses distortion, so perhaps a > more accurate example. > > Greg > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? >> >> Mark >> >> On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:47 PM, Greg House wrote: >> >>> >>> --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >>> >>>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on >> the >>>> idea. >>> >>> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 16:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24941; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:01:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:01:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 13:59:08 +0800 Subject: Re: Line 6 Purple Filter Modeler From: Darrell Havard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b801c1dce6$8abb3d00$24f8c440@g0wn7> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3101032748_82700_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3101032748_82700_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 4/6/02 5:12 AM, Jimmy Fowler at jimfowler@prodigy.net wrote: darrell- i was wondering when you might pop up. are you looping yet? sorry, it took me a while to get used to handling so many emails. The batteries on my rc-20 just died so I lost everything I had stored on there. I needed a fresh start anyway. Garritt has been helping record the songs that I do with the loop pedal. Maybe I'll have a whole CD's worth of material by the end of the summer. I've been trying to find some spots to perform the pieces just for motivation sake. I've been a bit lazy lately. See ya Monday. D --MS_Mac_OE_3101032748_82700_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Line 6 Purple Filter Modeler on 4/6/02 5:12 AM, Jimmy Fowler at jimfowler@prodigy.net wrote:

darrell-
i was wondering when you might pop up.  are you looping= yet?


sorry, it took me a while to get used to handling so many emails.  The= batteries on my rc-20 just died so I lost everything I had stored on there.=  I needed a fresh start anyway.  Garritt has been helping record = the songs that I do with the loop pedal.  Maybe I'll have a whole CD's = worth of material by the end of the summer.  I've been trying to find s= ome spots to perform the pieces just for motivation sake.  I've been a = bit lazy lately.  

See ya Monday.

D --MS_Mac_OE_3101032748_82700_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 16:12:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25816; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:11:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:11:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Peavey [makes VERY nice basses] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9BE458F8-4A63-11D6-A725-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >> Bottom Line....ain't nuthin wrong with PV. (except it's sometimes hard >> to >> find the dealers, cause they usually ignore the big chains and focus >> on the >> Mom & Pop stores....and that's by their choice too) >> I think it's because Peavey does not give volume discounts. (they didn't when I worked music retail) That means Joe's Guitar Palace in Cowville pays the same amount for a piece Peavey gear that Sam Ash pays. Sam Ash doesn't like that, as they're geared to make money on high volume, not small individules. (funny somewhat related story) as a skinny 18 year old, I ventured to NYC's guitar store strip to purchase a Stratocaster, or the equivalent. I could NOT get a single salesman to help me. Finally, I stuck a hundred dollar bill (I CAME TO BUY!) on my forehead (teen face grease is amazing) and walked around saying, "La la la, I WANT TO BUY SOMETHING." Finally a laughing guitar god salesman came and helped me. (I ended up with a G&L Skyhawk, which I still own and LOVE) Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 16:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26285; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:14:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <0YLi5.A.UZG.CiKs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm relatively new to the list, and interested in learning more about looping. I am learning the Stick, and am fairly familiar with what folks are using with it. I can say that a lot of pro audio effects work great with it. I'm not looking for a 'guitar' sound on my Stick , so I'm not so interested in guitar effects per se. GregHoward creates wonderfully rich lead and bass sounds on his stick using TC Electronix fireworks, Lexicon multi-effects and Boss SE-70, etc. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 12:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Well, all I was saying was that the Stick isn't a bass and guitar slapped together. The pickups sound very different, and your standard guitar effects just don't sound all that good on them. Perhaps bass processors work better? The only evidence of that is that I can get some pretty good tone out of a Behringer V-Amp, yet the stick generally sounded bad through it. When we went out and tried the Digitech BP-200 we found a lot of it's presets sounded fairly good with just a bit of tweaking. Now, neither box would be called high end, but there was something about the general voicing of the BP-200 that made a big difference, on the high and low strings of the Stick. So Jon, what are you using as a preamp these days? I thought you sounded good when we played together, you using the Digitech 2120s. I also though you sounded really good when I saw you at Hush Hush in SF. When I saw Trey last, he and the other Warr guitarist in his band were both using Line6 Pod pros, bass and guitar models. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 10:45 AM, Greg House wrote: > Well, yeah, but it's the same sort of thing. He used to play Chapmans. > > Tony Levin still plays Chapmans and he uses distortion, so perhaps a > more accurate example. > > Greg > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? >> >> Mark >> >> On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:47 PM, Greg House wrote: >> >>> >>> --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >>> >>>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on >> the >>>> idea. >>> >>> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 16:17:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26608; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Sun, 7 Apr 02 15:20:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 15:14:26 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: , Subject: Re: (OT) Stick Distortion (was Adrenalinn - more info please) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <56fUgD.A.deG.kjKs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been trying with varying degrees of success to find distorted voices with the stick (treble) and have had some marginal success. The problem that I typically run into is that a particular device configuration will sound wonderful at certain registers/positions and rapidly begins to sound strange when you stray too far from that position on the instrument. I tend to have the best luck with a series of devices run in parallel with a fairly strong clean sound component in the resulting voice. IMHO, after listening to years of distorted guitar I had to re-evaluate what I was actually wanting out of a stick voice. I can't and shouldn't want my grand to sound like a pawn-shop iceman through a laney pro-tube and peavey (hey!) 4x12". That's where a lot of the "amp emulation" based effects processors sort of fall down in my (complete hack) opinion - the stick is NOT a guitar, nor is it a bass. Kudos to Trey and Co. on their success with the PODs, but I would bet that the custom bartolinis in his Warr sound hella different than a standard stick pickup. His lead voice (on stick) on the RFSQ's "Bridge Between" and accompanying live video is really great, and IIRC is from a couple of ART boxes. In particular, I recall him saying something about modifying the attack of the instrument, which is *another* big difference in how I hear the Stick vs. Guitar. My first impulse was to try to find an "angry gorilla pounding on the gates of hell" sound with the stick, but soon realized that most of that aggressive quality that I appreciate in a guitar sound was really in my approach to playing the guitar, and less in the effects themselves. So now I attempt to find the "demented craftsperson carving intricate scrollwork on the gates of hell" tone :) -K >>> sine@zerocrossing.net 04/07/02 02:50PM >>> Well, all I was saying was that the Stick isn't a bass and guitar slapped together. The pickups sound very different, and your standard guitar effects just don't sound all that good on them. Perhaps bass processors work better? The only evidence of that is that I can get some pretty good tone out of a Behringer V-Amp, yet the stick generally sounded bad through it. When we went out and tried the Digitech BP-200 we found a lot of it's presets sounded fairly good with just a bit of tweaking. Now, neither box would be called high end, but there was something about the general voicing of the BP-200 that made a big difference, on the high and low strings of the Stick. So Jon, what are you using as a preamp these days? I thought you sounded good when we played together, you using the Digitech 2120s. I also though you sounded really good when I saw you at Hush Hush in SF. When I saw Trey last, he and the other Warr guitarist in his band were both using Line6 Pod pros, bass and guitar models. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 10:45 AM, Greg House wrote: > Well, yeah, but it's the same sort of thing. He used to play Chapmans. > > Tony Levin still plays Chapmans and he uses distortion, so perhaps a > more accurate example. > > Greg > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? >> >> Mark >> >> On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:47 PM, Greg House wrote: >> >>> >>> --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >>> >>>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on >> the >>>> idea. >>> >>> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 17:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29973; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Ivens de Carvalho" To: Subject: Re: New on the list Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:20:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-UEhLC.A.ATH.BULs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Another question related to the A77. I recently put on some app. 20 ys. >old masters to transfer the music to computer. I properly cleaned the >heads, but horror, it sounds like the head make big noisy scratches on the >magnetic surface. I am afraid that I may have lost a lot of precious >information on the old tapes, and I am afraid to put more original master >tapes onto it. Is this a problem with the heads, or is it the tape age? >The tapes seemed to leave quite a lot of residue. If it is the tapes, >what is the procedure of baking tapes? Thanks for your replies. I'll try the baking procedure. I am surprised that the temperature should be as low as 55 C, but I'll try and see if it makes any difference. Frank Carvalho From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 20:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09104; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.142.235.112] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Stick Distortion Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:55:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 00:55:34.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[16E50E70:01C1DE98] Resent-Message-ID: <_0GG4.A.RNC.lqOs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kev, I think I read that Tony blends his fuzz sound (EH-Big Muff) with his clean sound. I use the SansAmp Bass Driver &/or the PSA-1 on my Chapman/NS sticks. Although I love the sound a Rat through a loud tube amp. As far as Trey goes, I find it strange that he uses the POD on a Warr with custom pickups? Great Grapes->Bad Wine Cheers Lou From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: (OT) Stick Distortion (was Adrenalinn - more info please) >Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 15:14:26 -0500 > >I've been trying with varying degrees of success to find distorted >voices with the stick (treble) and have had some marginal success. The >problem that I typically run into is that a particular device >configuration will sound wonderful at certain registers/positions and >rapidly begins to sound strange when you stray too far from that >position on the instrument. I tend to have the best luck with a series >of devices run in parallel with a fairly strong clean sound component in >the resulting voice. > >IMHO, after listening to years of distorted guitar I had to re-evaluate >what I was actually wanting out of a stick voice. I can't and shouldn't >want my grand to sound like a pawn-shop iceman through a laney pro-tube >and peavey (hey!) 4x12". That's where a lot of the "amp emulation" >based effects processors sort of fall down in my (complete hack) opinion >- the stick is NOT a guitar, nor is it a bass. Kudos to Trey and Co. on >their success with the PODs, but I would bet that the custom bartolinis >in his Warr sound hella different than a standard stick pickup. > >His lead voice (on stick) on the RFSQ's "Bridge Between" and >accompanying live video is really great, and IIRC is from a couple of >ART boxes. In particular, I recall him saying something about modifying >the attack of the instrument, which is *another* big difference in how I >hear the Stick vs. Guitar. > >My first impulse was to try to find an "angry gorilla pounding on the >gates of hell" sound with the stick, but soon realized that most of that >aggressive quality that I appreciate in a guitar sound was really in my >approach to playing the guitar, and less in the effects themselves. So >now I attempt to find the "demented craftsperson carving intricate >scrollwork on the gates of hell" tone :) > >-K > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 21:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12664; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d101c1dea1$259e0b20$c9168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: , "Mark Sottilaro" Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:46:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on the >>> idea. >> >> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... >>Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? Yes, he does now. Part of the reason is the pickups. He spoke with me about his Stick sound, as he was not pleased with their lack of "rock and roll aggressiveness." I do some custom guitar work, and he was seeking a resource for custom pickups. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 7 22:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14540; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Barry Gordon" To: Subject: I'm NEW! Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:20:11 -0700 Organization: Barry Gordon Music Production Message-ID: <000d01c1dea3$e9630220$0200a8c0@Business> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <01d101c1dea1$259e0b20$c9168bd1@Douglas> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does this group deal with Drum Loops? Recycle? Barry Gordon -----Original Message----- From: K. Douglas Baldwin [mailto:dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 6:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please >>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on >>> the idea. >> >> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... >>Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? Yes, he does now. Part of the reason is the pickups. He spoke with me about his Stick sound, as he was not pleased with their lack of "rock and roll aggressiveness." I do some custom guitar work, and he was seeking a resource for custom pickups. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 01:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25969; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:49:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:49:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: OT: FS: Single space mixer Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1dec1$0f256d50$e140e40c@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1DE86.62C81BF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 05:48:51.0177 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F6A6590:01C1DEC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1DE86.62C81BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon the gear spam -- but given the rack-mixer discussions from a few weeks ago, I thought I'd offer this here before going to ebay. Rolls RM203 10 ch. single space mixer. Each channel has volume, pan, aux send (mono) with stereo aux return. Tape in. Master out. Master volume. Headphone out. Excellent condition. $130 + shipping. Email me off-line: g716_loop@hotmail.com More specs: http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.RLLRM203 &z=1346098920230 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1DE86.62C81BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1DE86.62C81BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 02:22:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28315; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 02:21:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 02:21:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: , , "Mark Sottilaro" References: <01d101c1dea1$259e0b20$c9168bd1@Douglas> Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:20:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 06:20:20.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[7583A590:01C1DEC5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on the > >>> idea. > >> > >> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... > >>Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? > Yes, he does now. Part of the reason is the pickups. He spoke with me about > his Stick sound, as he was not pleased with their lack of "rock and roll > aggressiveness." I do some custom guitar work, and he was seeking a resource > for custom pickups. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > It's not just the pickups - it's also the (lack of) attack on the instrument, and, from a rhythm guitar standpoint, the way the intrument lends itself to a diads and sparser chord voicings and arpegiation, instead of dan-dan-daann-chugga-chug-chugga-chugga-chugga style of play. Mores the pity :< Will someone hurry up and prove me wrong on this one? The inability to play anything loud apart from basslines is my biggest niggle with the instrument... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 09:30:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22897; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Mon, 8 Apr 02 08:32:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:26:25 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Stick Distortion (with Obligatory Loop Content!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a track called "Pothead" off of Nick Beggs' "Stick Insect" that is pretty darned aggressive. Plus there are quite a few tracks that feature looping (in both arranged and "live" tracks) using a Jamman. I have no idea where one would buy the CD from, as I purchased it when John Paul Jones opened for Crimson in St. Louis. For me, it serves as a pretty good direction. Although caveat emptor, as he may not be using the stock pickup! -K >>> ssrndpty@hotmail.com 04/08/02 01:20AM >>> > >>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on the > >>> idea. > >> > >> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... > >>Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? > Yes, he does now. Part of the reason is the pickups. He spoke with me about > his Stick sound, as he was not pleased with their lack of "rock and roll > aggressiveness." I do some custom guitar work, and he was seeking a resource > for custom pickups. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > It's not just the pickups - it's also the (lack of) attack on the instrument, and, from a rhythm guitar standpoint, the way the intrument lends itself to a diads and sparser chord voicings and arpegiation, instead of dan-dan-daann-chugga-chug-chugga-chugga-chugga style of play. Mores the pity :< Will someone hurry up and prove me wrong on this one? The inability to play anything loud apart from basslines is my biggest niggle with the instrument... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 09:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23568; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 06:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <44tHyC.A._uF.p1Zs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm a beginning stick player, not sure if I get exactly what you mean regarding playing "loud" on Stick, and "diads". But I feel that some Stick players play some pretty hot leads, and amazingly intricate rythm lines with some real oomph. though perhaps more prog rock or jazz, Greg Howard is amazing, very dynamic. (the stick, properly set up, has a great deal of dynamic range) also the newer Stick PASV-4 pickups are quite a bit hotter and sound great! But then I love the Stick sound for what it is even on the std pickups. just depends what is the right tool for the job you want to do -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 11:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please > >>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on the > >>> idea. > >> > >> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... > >>Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? > Yes, he does now. Part of the reason is the pickups. He spoke with me about > his Stick sound, as he was not pleased with their lack of "rock and roll > aggressiveness." I do some custom guitar work, and he was seeking a resource > for custom pickups. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > It's not just the pickups - it's also the (lack of) attack on the instrument, and, from a rhythm guitar standpoint, the way the intrument lends itself to a diads and sparser chord voicings and arpegiation, instead of dan-dan-daann-chugga-chug-chugga-chugga-chugga style of play. Mores the pity :< Will someone hurry up and prove me wrong on this one? The inability to play anything loud apart from basslines is my biggest niggle with the instrument... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 09:45:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24293; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:44:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 09:45:47 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c1df03$b063a1e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <3u-n1D.A.r5F.v6Zs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" > Hi, > I'm a beginning stick player, not sure if I get exactly what you mean > regarding playing "loud" on Stick, and "diads". A diad has only two notes. A chord has more then two. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 09:53:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25070; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 06:51:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000f01c1df03$b063a1e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0GyiWC.A.kGG.gBas8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks David. btw, in my previous post, I didn't mean to characterize GregHoward's music as progressive rock. Its probably more jazz and fusion. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" > Hi, > I'm a beginning stick player, not sure if I get exactly what you mean > regarding playing "loud" on Stick, and "diads". A diad has only two notes. A chord has more then two. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 10:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30731; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:44:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012b01c1df0c$1dd53c40$e40c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:46:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" > I'm [snip] not sure if I get exactly what you mean > regarding playing "loud" on Stick, and "diads". A diad has only two notes. A chord has more then two. === David is essentially correct. In music theory class, we discussed diads (two notes, not considered to be an entire chord) and triads (three note chord, built in thirds). Seventh chords are still built in thirds like triads, but include a fourth note. To the best of my memory (granted that's not as good as it used to be!), chords this large and larger were never given a name regarding the number of notes. Diads and triads were it. Nothing for chords of four or more notes. But we all knew that seventh chords had four notes, ninth chords had five, etc. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 11:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01344; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:58:45 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c1df0d$e2689c40$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <012b01c1df0c$1dd53c40$e40c5cd1@-> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone using the Adrenalinn with the EDP? I am really interested in it's ability to go mono-->stereo, and this would save me the expense of buying another edp, for the purpose of stereo-ifying my 2 turntables/edp rig. Or......should I just save up the 800-1000 bucks and get another edp....damn....decisions, decisions.... I think there are more possibilities with 2 edp's than with an edp and a stinky ol' Adrenalinn. Be well, D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 11:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02679; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020408152139.1018.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: (OT) Stick Distortion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Louis Rossi wrote: > I think I read that Tony blends his fuzz sound (EH-Big Muff) with his > clean sound. There seems to be more interest in blending distorted and clean sounds these days, even for guitar. Perhaps an overdrive that has a mix control, like the Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive, would be good on Stick? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 11:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03643; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017901c1df13$6f45c2a0$e40c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #263 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:37:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #263 April 4, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Saul Stokes. Saul Stokes is a synthesist who builds his own instruments and feels that live performance is where his music is best created. The Featured CD at midnight was "Zo Pilots" on the Hypnos label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "Risky Business" by Tangerine Dream on the Virgin label. I played the music of Eric Wollo who will be at the Gathering on April 27. Saul Stokes http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#apr Eric Wollo http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tangerine Dream The Dream Is Always the Risky Business (Virgin) Same Spacecraft Plateau People Inside the Inside (Space for Music) Eric Wollo Dream Lines Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) VA [Mikael Hillborg] Nights ambient@hyperreal.02 (aquaFM) Jim Cole A Wishing Thing Godspace (Spectral Spiral) Craig Padilla Folding Space * Folding Space and Melting Galaxies (Space for Music) James Johnson Odyssey * Odyssey (Zero Music) 12:00 am Saul Stokes Fast Creatures Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Altitude & Architecture Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Saul Stokes First Jump Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Downtown Inaka Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Open Your Eyes Maitreya Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Wire Light Hills Zo Pilots (Hypnos) Saul Stokes The Zo Pilots * Zo Pilots (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the the month-long focus on Saul Stokes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "A Collection of Live Recordings" which is a limited CDR published by Stokes that comes in a wooden case made by the artist himself. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Pure Gamma" by Pure Gamma on the Defective Records label Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 13:31:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11345; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:24:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:24:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB1D227.A2EBCB24@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 09:23:51 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please References: <004401c1df0d$e2689c40$6142a8c0@dyland> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, it's the difference between stereo and stereo-izing. It's quite clear that you need both, but I don't think that the Adrenalinn would be great for a turntable setup. It's really geared for guitar. I'd save and wait for the new KAOSS II Pad. Mark Dylan DeAnda wrote: > Is anyone using the Adrenalinn with the EDP? > > I am really interested in it's ability to go mono-->stereo, and this would > save me the expense of buying another edp, for the purpose of > stereo-ifying my 2 turntables/edp rig. > > Or......should I just save up the 800-1000 bucks and get another > edp....damn....decisions, decisions.... > > I think there are more possibilities with 2 edp's than with an edp and a > stinky ol' Adrenalinn. > > Be well, > > D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 13:44:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12410; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB1D665.733E93EC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 09:41:57 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick Distortion (with Obligatory Loop Content!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, we saw him play with JPJ, and he was in metal wank-o-rama mode most of the time. Not only was the sound distorted and aggressive, but he's 80's metal god rock posturing was extremely entertaining. Jon, maybe this could help? Mark KEVIN SIMONSON wrote: > There's a track called "Pothead" off of Nick Beggs' "Stick Insect" that > is pretty darned aggressive. Plus there are quite a few tracks that > feature looping (in both arranged and "live" tracks) using a Jamman. I > have no idea where one would buy the CD from, as I purchased it when > John Paul Jones opened for Crimson in St. Louis. > > For me, it serves as a pretty good direction. Although caveat emptor, > as he may not be using the stock pickup! > > -K > > >>> ssrndpty@hotmail.com 04/08/02 01:20AM >>> > > > >>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on > the > > >>> idea. > > >> > > >> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... > > >>Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? > > Yes, he does now. Part of the reason is the pickups. He spoke with > me > about > > his Stick sound, as he was not pleased with their lack of "rock and > roll > > aggressiveness." I do some custom guitar work, and he was seeking a > resource > > for custom pickups. > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence > > dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > > > It's not just the pickups - it's also the (lack of) attack on the > instrument, and, from a rhythm guitar standpoint, the way the > intrument > lends itself to a diads and sparser chord voicings and arpegiation, > instead > of dan-dan-daann-chugga-chug-chugga-chugga-chugga style of play. Mores > the > pity :< > > Will someone hurry up and prove me wrong on this one? The inability to > play > anything loud apart from basslines is my biggest niggle with the > instrument... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 14:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14637; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020408105417.01f3b238@popmail.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: jthornton@popmail.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:02:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: (OT) Stick Distortion In-Reply-To: <200204081733.NAA11913@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've owned a few Sticks in my time, and yeah, distortion doesn't really sound good on the standard pickups. Actually, I'm, not really that big of a fan of the standard pickups overall, except on the lower bass strings. I switched over to a Stick with an active block (with EMGs), as well as a GK2A that I never use, and I like the sound a lot more. The sound is a lot more substantial, and guitar effects, including distortion, sound a LOT better. Right now I'm just running the melody side through a couple of Boss distortion/overdrive pedals (the DS1 and SD1), a Danelectro Vibrato stomp box, an Ernie Ball volume pedal and a DL4, all into a Fender amp. The bass side is going through a Bass POD - the flange and phaser effects are decent, as are a couple of the distortions. Also, what's cool about the active block is that it has a stereo/mono switch, so I can run both sides through the Bass POD for a more uniform sound. I'd like to add another looper to the bass/mono chain at some point. Cheers! Jason From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 16:05:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23531; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:00:01 +0800 Subject: Re: (OT) Stick Distortion (was Adrenalinn - more info please) From: Darrell Havard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/8/02 4:14 AM, KEVIN SIMONSON at RITX075@revenue.state.il.us wrote: > I've been trying with varying degrees of success to find distorted > voices with the stick (treble) and have had some marginal success. The > problem that I typically run into is that a particular device > configuration will sound wonderful at certain registers/positions and > rapidly begins to sound strange when you stray too far from that > position on the instrument. I tend to have the best luck with a series > of devices run in parallel with a fairly strong clean sound component in > the resulting voice. > > IMHO, after listening to years of distorted guitar I had to re-evaluate > what I was actually wanting out of a stick voice. I can't and shouldn't > want my grand to sound like a pawn-shop iceman through a laney pro-tube > and peavey (hey!) 4x12". That's where a lot of the "amp emulation" > based effects processors sort of fall down in my (complete hack) opinion > - the stick is NOT a guitar, nor is it a bass. Kudos to Trey and Co. on > their success with the PODs, but I would bet that the custom bartolinis > in his Warr sound hella different than a standard stick pickup. > > His lead voice (on stick) on the RFSQ's "Bridge Between" and > accompanying live video is really great, and IIRC is from a couple of > ART boxes. In particular, I recall him saying something about modifying > the attack of the instrument, which is *another* big difference in how I > hear the Stick vs. Guitar. > > My first impulse was to try to find an "angry gorilla pounding on the > gates of hell" sound with the stick, but soon realized that most of that > aggressive quality that I appreciate in a guitar sound was really in my > approach to playing the guitar, and less in the effects themselves. So > now I attempt to find the "demented craftsperson carving intricate > scrollwork on the gates of hell" tone :) > > -K > > >>>> sine@zerocrossing.net 04/07/02 02:50PM >>> > Well, all I was saying was that the Stick isn't a bass and guitar > slapped together. The pickups sound very different, and your standard > > guitar effects just don't sound all that good on them. Perhaps bass > processors work better? The only evidence of that is that I can get > some pretty good tone out of a Behringer V-Amp, yet the stick generally > > sounded bad through it. When we went out and tried the Digitech BP-200 > > we found a lot of it's presets sounded fairly good with just a bit of > tweaking. Now, neither box would be called high end, but there was > something about the general voicing of the BP-200 that made a big > difference, on the high and low strings of the Stick. > > So Jon, what are you using as a preamp these days? I thought you > sounded good when we played together, you using the Digitech 2120s. I > > also though you sounded really good when I saw you at Hush Hush in SF. > > When I saw Trey last, he and the other Warr guitarist in his band were > > both using Line6 Pod pros, bass and guitar models. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 10:45 AM, Greg House wrote: > >> Well, yeah, but it's the same sort of thing. He used to play > Chapmans. >> >> Tony Levin still plays Chapmans and he uses distortion, so perhaps a >> more accurate example. >> >> Greg >> >> >> --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: >>> Doesn't Trey use Warr guitars? >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:47 PM, Greg House wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. I'd pretty much given up on >>> the >>>>> idea. >>>> >>>> Someone better tell Trey Gunn about that... >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >> http://taxes.yahoo.com/ >> > I have the same problem with distortion on my Stick. The only thing that I've used that worked across the wide frequency range is overdrive, like the green Ibanez pedal or (believe it or not) a Marshall half stack (God bless Tubes!!!) with the volume and gain on 7 or above. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 16:11:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22030; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:57:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:57:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:54:25 +0800 Subject: boss wp20g wave generator From: Darrell Havard To: looper delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if anyone owns or has played with a boss wp20g wave generator. It's in the same production line as the RC-20 and the Amp Factory. It runs off of a midi pickup and generates sine, square, and saw waves. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 16:37:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25124; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:29:00 +0100 Subject: Nick Beggs Stick Sound From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>There's a track called "Pothead" off of Nick Beggs' "Stick Insect" that is pretty darned aggressive. Plus there are quite a few tracks that feature looping (in both arranged and "live" tracks) using a Jamman. I have no idea where one would buy the CD from, as I purchased it when John Paul Jones opened for Crimson in St. Louis. For me, it serves as a pretty good direction. Although caveat emptor, as he may not be using the stock pickup!<<< Nick's main multi FX unit now is his Lexicon MPX-G2. Live he also runs the top half of the stick through a Marshall rig, and the Bass side through SWR, I think... His website has all the details - http://www.nickbeggs.co.uk or perhaps .com - very nice guy and very fine Stickist and Bassist. BTW, i think all his 'live' looping is done with the loop function in the MPX-G2... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 18:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01613; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB226B9.594774B7@wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 01:24:41 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stick References: <200204081733.NAA11911@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I don't own a Stick anymore, but a Belgrado (Belgian luthier extraordinaire), the idea remains the same. I have been having nice results with a lag spitfire ( asmall cheap tube preamp) and a Behringer Vamp1 and Vamp2 which I use as a swiss army knife, because my Belgrado don't go into my VG-8. It fits as well in the bass dept as in the treble one... Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 19:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05873; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:23:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020408232319.98957.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012b01c1df0c$1dd53c40$e40c5cd1@-> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A diad has only two notes. A chord has more then > two. diad, triad...more than one note at a time is a chord. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 19:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06764; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <60.1dffd8ff.29e383d0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:37:52 EDT Subject: Got your CD! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, Got the CD today and it's great! I have no idea how you are generating most of those sounds (AirSynth? Theremin? Analog synth? A bunch of FX on 100% feedback and 100% regeneration?). But it sounds really cool. I like the live aspect of it too. Great effort. This ought to be heard more widely. Keep up the good work! Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 20:17:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10278; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:16:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:16:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:15:56 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) In-reply-to: <20020408232319.98957.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020408232319.98957.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:23 PM -0700 4/8/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >diad, triad...more than one note at a time is a chord. That's how the Grove Dictionary of Music defines it. That's not to say that it isn't useful to talk about dyads and triads and seventh chords and beyond. I also wonder if it makes any sense to refer to a cluster of pitches as a "chord." Also, there are times in polyphonic music when it might be more useful to refer to a set of simutaneous notes as a "simultaneity" rather than a "chord." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 22:07:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18521; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:01:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:01:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10e.f53897a.29e3a4b6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:58:14 EDT Subject: Re: Got your CD! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10e.f53897a.29e3a4b6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10e.f53897a.29e3a4b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/02 7:38:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Got the CD today much thanks ted.....glad you like it.....michael k --part1_10e.f53897a.29e3a4b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/02 7:38:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Got the CD today


much thanks ted.....glad you like it.....michael k --part1_10e.f53897a.29e3a4b6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 22:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18928; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:09:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Also, there are times in polyphonic music when it might be more useful to refer to a set of simutaneous notes as a "simultaneity" rather than a "chord."- i agree, but the end result is a chord, wouldn't you say. so effectively, there's no difference, yes? i guess it depends on how you look at a given composition. i would think that a composer would focus on the group result (i.e. chords). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 22:27:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19690; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:21:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:21:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.65b78f.29e3a9fa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:20:42 EDT Subject: Got your CD! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ted.....the two axlotal pieces used the air-synth and the air-fx.....the rest were done with guitar, casio cz-5000, and the rest of my boxes.....it totally blows my "old" mind that this sort of stuff can be done in real time "live", you know what i mean!.....i think greg campbell was going to put a tune of mine on his "looper" radio station or do some mp3 voodoo with it, i dont know if thats still afloat.....anyhow, you can hear several other pieces of mine as well as a ton-o-tunes by LD members at www.loopxchange.com thanks for the kind words.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 8 23:40:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23860; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020407233844.00807b80@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 23:38:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please In-Reply-To: References: <01d101c1dea1$259e0b20$c9168bd1@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri quoted: >> >>> Sticks don't sound so good distorted. and wrote about the Stick (R): >It's not just the pickups - it's also the (lack of) attack on the >instrument, and, from a rhythm guitar standpoint, the way the intrument >lends itself to a diads and sparser chord voicings and arpegiation, instead >of dan-dan-daann-chugga-chug-chugga-chugga-chugga style of play. Mores the >pity :< > >Will someone hurry up and prove me wrong on this one? The inability to play >anything loud apart from basslines is my biggest niggle with the >instrument... Trey Gunn has been known to strum bar chords (!) on the Stick (melody side, anyway) even before he switched from Stick to Warr. Maybe his crafty tuning makes that easier? FWIW, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 00:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27896; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.1e1c4871.29e3c468@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:13:28 EDT Subject: Re: Got your CD! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6a.1e1c4871.29e3c468_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6a.1e1c4871.29e3c468_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/2002 9:21:35 PM Central Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > ted.....the two axlotal pieces used the air-synth and the air-fx.....the > rest > were done with guitar, casio cz-5000, and the rest of my boxes.....it > totally > blows my "old" mind that this sort of stuff can be done in real time > "live", > you know what i mean!.....i think greg campbell was going to put a tune of > mine on his "looper" radio station or do some mp3 voodoo with it, i dont > know > if thats still afloat.....anyhow, you can hear several other pieces of mine > > as well as a ton-o-tunes by LD members at www.loopxchange.com thanks for > > the kind words.....michael k > ABSOLUTELY Michael, I'm just waiting on a new computer... This one is really bogged down and is having tons of problems ripping mp3s... I will be creating an mp3.com page for you in the next couple of weeks, I'm sorry it is taking so long. mp3.com loopers please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html --part1_6a.1e1c4871.29e3c468_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/2002 9:21:35 PM Central Daylight Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:


ted.....the two axlotal pieces used the air-synth and the air-fx.....the rest
were done with guitar, casio cz-5000, and the rest of my boxes.....it totally
blows my "old" mind that this sort of stuff can be done in real time "live",
you know what i mean!.....i think greg campbell was going to put a tune of
mine on his "looper" radio station or do some mp3 voodoo with it, i dont know
if thats still afloat.....anyhow, you can hear several other pieces of mine
as well as a ton-o-tunes by LD members at www.loopxchange.com    thanks for
the kind words.....michael k


ABSOLUTELY Michael, I'm just waiting on a new computer... This one is really bogged down and is having tons of problems ripping mp3s... I will be creating an mp3.com page for you in the next couple of weeks, I'm sorry it is taking so long.

mp3.com loopers please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to:
looping9string@aol.com
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--part1_6a.1e1c4871.29e3c468_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 01:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01266; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 01:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 01:56:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:21:56 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Got your CD! In-reply-to: <1a0.65b78f.29e3a9fa@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <1a0.65b78f.29e3a9fa@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:20 PM -0400 4/8/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >the two axlotal pieces I just bought a book titled "Developmental Biology of the Axolotl." No lie: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1527271580&ed=1017536511&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:US:2 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 09:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26792; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.67f5a9.29e44202@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:09:22 EDT Subject: Re: Got your CD! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19a.67f5a9.29e44202_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19a.67f5a9.29e44202_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/02 12:14:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Looping9string@aol.com writes: > I'm sorry it is taking so long. > greg.....take your time!.....im just happy that you are doing this for me.....thanks.....michael k --part1_19a.67f5a9.29e44202_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/02 12:14:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Looping9string@aol.com writes:


I'm sorry it is taking so long.


greg.....take your time!.....im just happy that you are doing this for me.....thanks.....michael k --part1_19a.67f5a9.29e44202_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 09:15:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27017; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:11:45 EDT Subject: Re: Got your CD! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.2508cada.29e44291_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c8.2508cada.29e44291_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/02 1:56:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > I just bought a book titled "Developmental Biology of the Axolotl." > > No lie: > richard.....why doesn't this surprise me!.....:).....michael k --part1_c8.2508cada.29e44291_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/02 1:56:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


I just bought a book titled "Developmental Biology of the  Axolotl."

No lie:


richard.....why doesn't this surprise me!.....:).....michael k --part1_c8.2508cada.29e44291_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 09:50:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28696; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:44:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:44:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1dfcc$7e7b0b40$3d954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Got your CD! / Axolotl Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:43:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA28622 Resent-Message-ID: <9QdfSD.A.d_G.hAvs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 10:20 PM -0400 4/8/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >>the two axlotal pieces Richard Z replied: >I just bought a book titled "Developmental Biology of the Axolotl." >No lie: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1527271580&ed=1017536511&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:US:2 To anyone even remotely interested in these curious amphibians, I would recommend a great experimental short story, "Axolotl" by the late Julio Cortázar: http://www.cis.vt.edu/modernworld/d/axolotl.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 12:04:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09984; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <14d.bf27d6b.29e46a33@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:00:51 EDT Subject: Re: Axlotal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, In a message dated 4/8/02 7:21:35 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >axlotal Hmmm. Mexican salamanders, able to reproduce while still in the larval stage and occasionally displaying canabalism . . . I guess that is a kind of looping in a way . . . an interesting metaphor to say the least. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 12:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13244; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:48:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: Axlotal Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:48:26 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <14d.bf27d6b.29e46a33@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a duplicate loop it would seem - the little beast just appeared unannounced on another email list out of the blue. very strange. omjn > -----Original Message----- > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 12:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Axlotal > > > Michael, > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:21:35 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > > >axlotal > > Hmmm. Mexican salamanders, able to reproduce while still in the larval > stage and occasionally displaying canabalism . . . I guess that is a kind > of looping in a way . . . an interesting metaphor to say the least. > > Ted > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 13:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16461; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:20:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:20:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAB3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:20:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEA.E63B93D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEA.E63B93D0 Content-Type: text/plain ** i think that what richard is getting at here is the idea of polyphinc music in something like renaissance vocal music (as well as many others) where the *lines* and counterpoint are more important than harmony . . . mostly because (and i could be wrong here) these types of folks aren't/weren't necessarily thinking about harmony - - functional or otherwise. anyway, that's my guess. stig -Also, there are times in polyphonic music when it might be more useful to refer to a set of simutaneous notes as a "simultaneity" rather than a "chord."- i agree, but the end result is a chord, wouldn't you say. so effectively, there's no difference, yes? i guess it depends on how you look at a given composition. i would think that a composer would focus on the group result (i.e. chords). -jim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEA.E63B93D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)

** i think that what richard is getting at here is = the idea of polyphinc music in something like renaissance vocal music = (as well as many others) where the *lines* and counterpoint are more = important than harmony . . . mostly because (and i could be wrong here) = these types of folks aren't/weren't necessarily thinking about = harmony  - - functional or otherwise.

anyway, that's my guess.

stig



-Also, there are times in polyphonic music when it =
might be more useful to refer to a set of = simutaneous
notes as a "simultaneity" rather than a = "chord."-

i agree, but the end result is a chord, wouldn't you =
say.  so effectively, there's no difference, = yes?  i
guess it depends on how you look at a given
composition.  i would think that a composer = would
focus on the group result (i.e. chords).

-jim

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEA.E63B93D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 13:22:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16581; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:16:31 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Axolotl poem In-reply-to: <14d.bf27d6b.29e46a33@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <14d.bf27d6b.29e46a33@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a parody of Wordsworth's "The Daffodils" that appeared in Mad Magazine circa 1958. This is as much of it as I can reconstruct. Does anyone know the rest? I wandered lonely as a clod Just picking up old rags and bottles, when on the lonely road I trod I came upon some axolotls. Beside the lake, beneath the trees, A sight to make a man's blood freeze. Some had handles, some were plain- they were orange, pink, and green, in the main. My hair stood up, my blood ran cold. I fled with fear upon my soul. I find my solace now in bottles, and I forget them axolotls. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 13:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18813; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:42:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c1dfed$ceb38800$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <14d.bf27d6b.29e46a33@aol.com> Subject: Re: Axolotl poem Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:41:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8hjBm.A.HkE.Bgys8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a 7 cd set of all mad magazines- I'll try to find it sometime. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Axolotl poem > There's a parody of Wordsworth's "The Daffodils" that appeared in Mad > Magazine circa 1958. This is as much of it as I can reconstruct. Does > anyone know the rest? > > > I wandered lonely as a clod > Just picking up old rags and bottles, > when on the lonely road I trod > I came upon some axolotls. > Beside the lake, beneath the trees, > A sight to make a man's blood freeze. > > Some had handles, some were plain- > they were orange, pink, and green, in the main. > My hair stood up, my blood ran cold. > I fled with fear upon my soul. > I find my solace now in bottles, > and I forget them axolotls. > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 13:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19458; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1dfbb$ccf7e100$33f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAB3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:43:41 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1DFC4.2D955530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3NcUYC.A.NsE.Oiys8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1DFC4.2D955530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)are you referring to music such as perotin or = gesualdo (a bit later)? in those instances, the composer may have = focused less on the outcome but wouldn't the "lines/counterpoint" still = be a function of the harmony, although it may be incidental. i have a hard time believing that the end result (i.e. the harmony) was = happen-stance, not that i disagree with anything that's been said; = rather, personally i have a difficult time understanding writing a = "line" that doesn't take into consideration the "chord" it forms with = other instruments playing different "lines". i may be going nowhere with this. if so, please forgive. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1DFC4.2D955530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)
are you referring to music such as perotin or = gesualdo (a bit=20 later)?  in those instances, the composer may have focused less on = the=20 outcome but wouldn't the "lines/counterpoint" still be a function of the = harmony, although it may be incidental.
 
i have a hard time believing that the end result = (i.e. the=20 harmony) was happen-stance, not that i disagree with anything that's = been said;=20 rather, personally i have a difficult time understanding writing a = "line" that=20 doesn't take into consideration the "chord" it forms with other = instruments=20 playing different "lines".
 
i may be going nowhere with this.  if so, = please=20 forgive.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C1DFC4.2D955530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 13:51:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19327; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:45:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:45:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.1c3c469d.29e48264@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:44:04 EDT Subject: Website additions. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! It's that time again . . . I just got an e-mail from my pal, avant trumpetmeister, Jeff Kaiser who owns/runs the pfMENTUM label my CD is out on. He's put up a bunch of new stuff on my part of his site . . . A couple of new reviews by Jason Bivens (Cadence, magazine) and Rent Romus (Bay Area Improvisers Network). Nice words by nice guys . . . A list of radio stations that have been silly enough to play my music at least once (some have done it more than once -- go figure) . . . And a "bio" section that is probably even sillier still (now THAT should generate some chuckles -- who would care) . . . Still none of this has translated in to bunches of sales but it is kind of amusing . . . [:-)> So, for a good laugh go to: http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 13:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20962; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEF.2E515A60" Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:51:31 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Thread-Index: AcHf7jByMrPG4KPyTFWZefLq53EETgAAI6YA From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEF.2E515A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just need to make sure that neither diads nor triads have direction. = I wouldn't want to use them backwards. =20 Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 6:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) =20 are you referring to music such as perotin or gesualdo (a bit later)? = in those instances, the composer may have focused less on the outcome = but wouldn't the "lines/counterpoint" still be a function of the = harmony, although it may be incidental. =20 i have a hard time believing that the end result (i.e. the harmony) was = happen-stance, not that i disagree with anything that's been said; = rather, personally i have a difficult time understanding writing a = "line" that doesn't take into consideration the "chord" it forms with = other instruments playing different "lines". =20 i may be going nowhere with this. if so, please forgive. =20 -jim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEF.2E515A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)

I = just need to make sure that neither diads nor triads have direction.  I wouldn’t want to use = them backwards.

 

Lindsay=

sonic = detritus:=

left of = eliot=

http://lef= tofeliot.iuma.com=

<= span class=3DEmailStyle15> 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy Fowler = [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, = 2002 6:44 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn)

 

are you referring to music such as perotin or gesualdo (a bit later)?  in = those instances, the composer may have focused less on the outcome but = wouldn't the "lines/counterpoint" still be a function of the harmony, = although it may be incidental.

 <= /p>

i = have a hard time believing that the end result (i.e. the harmony) was happen-stance, = not that i disagree with anything that's been said; rather, personally i = have a difficult time understanding writing a "line" that doesn't = take into consideration the "chord" it forms with other instruments = playing different "lines".<= /p>

 <= /p>

i = may be going nowhere with this.  if so, please forgive.<= /p>

 <= /p>

-jim<= /p>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFEF.2E515A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 14:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22683; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAB9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:59:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFF0.44A1BD00" Resent-Message-ID: <3Bmv_C.A.IPF.dvys8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFF0.44A1BD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my understanding is that these guys were thinking in terms of lines in *modes* - - not in functional harmony. isn't this also how indian music works (not that i know a damn thing about this), they work in ragas (which are vaguely analogous to modes) and dont't really have harmonic pregression? stig are you referring to music such as perotin or gesualdo (a bit later)? in those instances, the composer may have focused less on the outcome but wouldn't the "lines/counterpoint" still be a function of the harmony, although it may be incidental. i have a hard time believing that the end result (i.e. the harmony) was happen-stance, not that i disagree with anything that's been said; rather, personally i have a difficult time understanding writing a "line" that doesn't take into consideration the "chord" it forms with other instruments playing different "lines". i may be going nowhere with this. if so, please forgive. -jim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFF0.44A1BD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)
my understanding is that these guys were thinking in terms of lines in *modes* - - not in functional harmony. isn't this also how indian music works (not that i know a damn thing about this), they work in ragas (which are vaguely analogous to modes) and dont't really have harmonic pregression?
 
stig
 
 
are you referring to music such as perotin or gesualdo (a bit later)?  in those instances, the composer may have focused less on the outcome but wouldn't the "lines/counterpoint" still be a function of the harmony, although it may be incidental.
 
i have a hard time believing that the end result (i.e. the harmony) was happen-stance, not that i disagree with anything that's been said; rather, personally i have a difficult time understanding writing a "line" that doesn't take into consideration the "chord" it forms with other instruments playing different "lines".
 
i may be going nowhere with this.  if so, please forgive.
 
-jim
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFF0.44A1BD00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 14:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23345; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:54:15 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAB3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAB3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RZ wrote: >Also, there are times in polyphonic music when it might be more >useful to refer to a set of simutaneous notes as a "simultaneity" >rather than a "chord." At 10:09 PM -0500 4/8/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >i agree, but the end result is a chord, wouldn't you say. so >effectively, there's no difference, yes? i guess it depends on how >you look at a given >composition. i would think that a composer would focus on the group >result (i.e. chords). At 1:20 PM -0400 4/9/02, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** i think that what richard is getting at here is the idea of >polyphinc music in something like renaissance vocal music (as well >as many others) where the *lines* and counterpoint are more >important than harmony . . . mostly because (and i could be wrong >here) these types of folks aren't/weren't necessarily thinking about >harmony - - functional or otherwise. Yes. It's the difference between polyphonic and homophonic music. I'm not saying that in analyzing polyphonic music that you have to deny that a harmonic simultaneity is a "chord." I'm saying that it can be misleading to think chordally when the music is primarily melodic. Another thing to consider is that in some musical situations a "chord" may function more as a "fused ensemble timbre." In this case the sound is more than a group of simultaneously sounding pitches; the aggregate effect is of a single sound. You have to think more in terms of the composite spectrum of all the instruments sounding and fusing together. The "notes" of the underlying chord are only part of the picture. This is probably a bit beyond the original discussion, which was more about the preferred terminology for multiple notes or musical tones, but it leads to some more subtle and advanced areas that might be useful to some of us. Notions of polyphony versus homophony versus versus timbral fusion are quite useful in analyzing loop music. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 14:25:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24826; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:19:18 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) In-reply-to: <004e01c1dfbb$ccf7e100$33f8c440@g0wn7> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAB3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <004e01c1dfbb$ccf7e100$33f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: <-pwbPC.A._BG.0Gzs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:43 PM +0100 4/9/02, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >are you referring to music such as perotin or gesualdo (a bit >later)? in those instances, the composer may have focused less on >the outcome but wouldn't the "lines/counterpoint" still be a >function of the harmony, although it may be incidental. > >i have a hard time believing that the end result (i.e. the harmony) >was happen-stance, not that i disagree with anything that's been >said; rather, personally i have a difficult time understanding >writing a "line" that doesn't take into consideration the "chord" it >forms with other instruments playing different "lines". Polyphonic composition doesn't disregard the harmonic implications of the pitch simultaneities, its just that the primary interest is in the harmonic lines and the dynamic relationships between them. Gesualdo is interesting because he did use harmony in deliberate ways to underscore the meaning of the text. Some of his "chords" were quite dissonant when used to illustrate passion or heartbreak. But they tended to be coloristic devices rather than functional harmony. Your line of argument seems to spring from a harmonic bias (you're a guitarist, right?), with such statements as "wouldn't the 'line/counterpoint' still be a function of the harmony" or "the end result (i.e. the harmony)." In discussing polyphonic music I'm more inclined to say that "the harmony is a function of the polyphony" or the end result is "a polyphonic fabric given support by careful attention to the harmonic implications of the voice leading." But then, I was a singer before I was a guitarist. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 14:26:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24917; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:24:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:21:47 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Axolotl poem In-reply-to: <001001c1dfed$ceb38800$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <14d.bf27d6b.29e46a33@aol.com> <001001c1dfed$ceb38800$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6DaxTD.A.iBG.xGzs8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:41 AM -0700 4/9/02, Clifford Novey wrote: >I have a 7 cd set of all mad magazines- I'll try to find it sometime. There was also a Mad book "For Better or Verse" that may have had it. I'm pretty sure it first appeared do earlier than the 1957-58 school year, because my 7th grade teacher Bertha Mueller (we called her "Bert" behind her back) made us memorize "The Daffodils." We also memorized Masefield's "Sea-Fever," which was parodied thus: I must go down to the city dump, To the lonely dump and the sky, And all I ask is a garbage truck And a start to steer her by. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 14:26:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25040; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:24:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:24:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:20:55 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:51 PM -0500 4/9/02, Graham, Lindsay wrote: >I just need to make sure that neither diads nor triads have >direction. I wouldn't want to use them backwards. They can both have direction, particularly in tonal music. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 14:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26714; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020409185025.50005.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: OT: Line6 filter efx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c1dfed$ceb38800$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone using a FilterPro of purple stomp? I'm thinking I'd like to add some filter type efx to my setup and was wondering if these are any good. I can't seem to find _any_ information online about the purple floor box. Line6 has downloadable manuals for their other equipment, but I couldn't find one for this one. I noticed that the FilterPro has an Electrix Filter Factory emulation. Is it any good? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 15:33:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29584; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:26:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:26:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:25:34 -0500 Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Resent-Message-ID: <5LzGjD.A.SMH.vA0s8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >They can both have direction, particularly in tonal music. ah, true true. if you look at gesualdo's music (sacred music for five voices), you won't find very much functional harmony, which is pretty odd considering the nature of the music (initially, it sounds like it would be functional) and the time period. easily one of my favorite compositions. i think the same (re: polyphony "lines" etc.) to african music, particularly tribal stuff. the emphasis is indeed on the lines and their relevance to one another. african music really blows me away. ...not to mention the rhythmic complexity, which is one big can of worms. i'm up for talking about african polyrhytm if you are... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 15:48:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31098; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:43:04 -0700 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Chords (was Adrenalinn) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020409194551.MRFA15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA30968 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm, the impression i've been under (due to music history classes in college) is: 1. bach did not have a "chordal" language to work with, he worked with interweaving melodies (to say the least)....he did not think in major and minor triads. (at least not verticaly...i believe that intervals were considered important as they were presented in melodic lines (doctrine of affections). 2. the "music theory" that we are exposed (subjected) to in music school is really rameau's analysis (100 years later) of what bach did naturally...the chord progressions, no paralell 5ths, contrary movement are all "rules" set up to emulate what bach's intuition and ear made him do instinctavly. 3. it really is a testament to bach's genius that his work was so in tune with "nature" (the physics of sound) and the overtone series....these structures of sound were seemingly transparent to bach, and he intuitively was able to make "nature speak through music". please correct me where i'm wrong...some other time, i'll post some of my own "theory of modern music" ideas. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 15:49:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31180; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:47:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:47:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CABB@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:47:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFFF.6A614A60" Resent-Message-ID: <113SOD.A.1mH.FV0s8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFFF.6A614A60 Content-Type: text/plain Polyphonic composition doesn't disregard the harmonic implications of the pitch simultaneities, its just that the primary interest is in the harmonic lines and the dynamic relationships between them. ** simple lines intertwining . . . but seriously, it is about the idea of imitative counterpoint and so forth, tone painting with melodic lines. Gesualdo is interesting because he did use harmony in deliberate ways to underscore the meaning of the text. Some of his "chords" were quite dissonant when used to illustrate passion or heartbreak. But they tended to be coloristic devices rather than functional harmony. ** funny thing is that with wagner onward (through debussy, etc.), harmony starts to be much more coloristic and loses its *functionality* . . . Your line of argument seems to spring from a harmonic bias (you're a guitarist, right?), with such statements as "wouldn't the 'line/counterpoint' still be a function of the harmony" or "the end result (i.e. the harmony)." In discussing polyphonic music I'm more inclined to say that "the harmony is a function of the polyphony" or the end result is "a polyphonic fabric given support by careful attention to the harmonic implications of the voice leading." ** yeah, i was thinking abou the fact that most of us (coming from music that has been dominant since the baroque era) tend to think "chordally" first. my hunch is that the dominance of *harmony* (that is, chord progression and function) didn't really arrive until the late renaissance when things started moving over to the baroque (but people *had* been doing troubadour music and all, which is pretty much sung lines with some sort of chordal accompaniment), bach et al seemed to be very involved with that sort of thing. the only instance i've read about of someone putting harmony before melody (that is, *line*) was jean phillipe rameau, who theorized that melody was driven by harmony, not the other way around. (that is, most people seem to start with a melody that would lead the harmony as it goes, he had the harmony lead the melody). but this is all really western classical music theory - - it doesn't really even touch on the folk tradition in europe. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFFF.6A614A60 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)

Polyphonic composition doesn't disregard the harmonic imp= lications of
the pitch simultaneities, its just that the primary inte= rest is in
the harmonic lines and the dynamic relationships between= them.

** simple lines intertwining .  . . but seriously, i= t is about the idea of imitative counterpoint and so forth, tone painting w= ith melodic lines.

Gesualdo is interesting because he did use harmony in del= iberate ways
to underscore the meaning of the text. Some of his "= ;chords" were
quite dissonant when used to illustrate passion or heart= break. But
they tended to be coloristic devices rather than functio= nal harmony.

** funny thing is that with wagner onward (through debuss= y, etc.), harmony starts to be much more coloristic and loses its *function= ality* . . .

Your line of argument seems to spring from a harmonic bia= s (you're a
guitarist, right?), with such statements as "wouldn= 't the
'line/counterpoint' still be a function of the harmony&q= uot; or "the end
result (i.e. the harmony)." In discussing polyphoni= c music I'm more
inclined to say that "the harmony is a function of = the polyphony" or
the end result is "a polyphonic fabric given suppor= t by careful
attention to the harmonic implications of the voice lead= ing."


** yeah, i was thinking abou the fact that most of us (co= ming from music that has been dominant since the baroque era) tend to think= "chordally" first.

my hunch is that the dominance of *harmony* (that is, cho= rd progression and function) didn't really arrive until the late renaissanc= e when things started moving over to the baroque (but people *had* been doi= ng troubadour music and all, which is pretty much sung lines with some sort= of chordal accompaniment), bach et al seemed to be very involved with that= sort of thing. the only instance i've read about of someone putting harmon= y before melody (that is, *line*) was jean phillipe rameau, who theorized t= hat melody was driven by harmony, not the other way around. (that is, most = people seem to start with a melody that would lead the harmony as it goes, = he had the harmony lead the melody). 

but this is all really western classical music theory - -= it doesn't really even touch on the folk tradition in europe.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFFF.6A614A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 16:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02239; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:23:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:23:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:17:04 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CABB@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CABB@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:47 PM -0400 4/9/02, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** funny thing is that with wagner onward (through debussy, etc.), >harmony starts to be much more coloristic and loses its >*functionality* . . . One story has it that Debussy was greatly inspired by hearing gamelan music at the Exposition of 1885 and tried to emulate those timbres orchestrally. With Wagner especially, sonic "objects" started to attain symbolic significance. My favorite example of a composer moving beyond functional harmony is Varese. >** yeah, i was thinking abou the fact that most of us (coming from >music that has been dominant since the baroque era) tend to think >"chordally" first. In my early songwriting days I typically started by strumming a chord progression and then roamed around vocally in search of a suitable melody. Later on I started composing away from an instrument and would occasionally create entire songs before harmonizing the tunes. >jean phillipe rameau, who theorized that melody was driven by >harmony, not the other way around. Yeah, blame it on Rameau! That's been pretty much the pattern in art and scholarship: first the intuitive artists put it together and then the analysts take it apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate the masters by rule-based exercises, and most of them get throttled in the process. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 16:39:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02747; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CABD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:31:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E005.94AC6970" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E005.94AC6970 Content-Type: text/plain One story has it that Debussy was greatly inspired by hearing gamelan music at the Exposition of 1885 and tried to emulate those timbres orchestrally. ** you know, debussy went to bayreuth, he was a big wagner fan and then had to break away from that for personal musical, as well as nationalistic, reasons. funny thing: if you take the beginning of tristan und isolde and invert it, you pretty much have the beginning of prelude to the afternoon of a faun . . . With Wagner especially, sonic "objects" started to attain symbolic significance. ** sure, but he also loved certain non-functional/traditional resolutions. Yeah, blame it on Rameau! ** okay! That's been pretty much the pattern in art and scholarship: first the intuitive artists put it together and then the analysts take it apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate the masters by rule-based exercises, and most of them get throttled in the process. ** sure, but bach and earlier composers (like vivaldi, etc.) used block chords for their choral music. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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One story has it that Debussy was greatly inspired by hea= ring gamelan
music at the Exposition of 1885 and tried to emulate tho= se timbres
orchestrally.

** you know, debussy went to bayreuth, he was a big wagne= r fan and then had to break away from that for personal musical, as well as= nationalistic, reasons. funny thing: if you take the beginning of tristan = und isolde and invert it, you pretty much have the beginning of prelude to = the afternoon of a faun . . .

With Wagner especially, sonic "objects" started= to attain symbolic
significance.

** sure, but he also loved certain non-functional/traditi= onal resolutions.



Yeah, blame it on Rameau!

** okay!

That's been pretty much the pattern in art and scholarshi= p: first the
intuitive artists put it together and then the analysts = take it
apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate the ma= sters by
rule-based exercises, and most of them get throttled in = the process.

** sure, but bach and earlier composers (like vivaldi, et= c.) used block chords for their choral music.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E005.94AC6970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 16:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03159; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:39:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020409194551.MRFA15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@dean> Subject: Re: re[2]: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:38:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2002 20:38:39.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[87C86F50:01C1E006] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hmm, the impression i've been under (due to music history classes in college) is: > > 1. bach did not have a "chordal" language to work with, he worked with interweaving melodies (to say the least)....he did not think in major and minor triads. (at least not verticaly...i believe that intervals were considered important as they were presented in melodic lines (doctrine of affections). > Actually, it is just the opposite. Harmonic tension and resolution are at the root of Baroque and Classical music. The >melodies< are the 'afterthought'. The coolness factor was considered how interesting and intricate you could get this afterthought to sound - the harmonic 'rules' are there to let you know where the bum notes are. > 2. the "music theory" that we are exposed (subjected) to in music school is really rameau's analysis (100 years later) of what bach did naturally...the chord progressions, no paralell 5ths, contrary movement are all "rules" set up to emulate what bach's intuition and ear made him do instinctavly. > I don't know - Bach's music was heavily based on the harmonic concepts of counterpoint arrived at during the middle ages. I've read music articles written about bach during his time, with quotes where he discusses the 'rules' of Cantus Firmus and counterpoint. He wasn't just 'jamming' at all - he had a lot of structure and theory he was working with. However, this wasn't the 'theory' you learn in school - this was thoery you learnt by playing lots of music, so that your fingers know the rules too. > 3. it really is a testament to bach's genius that his work was so in tune with "nature" (the physics of sound) and the overtone series....these structures of sound were seemingly transparent to bach, and he intuitively was able to make "nature speak through music". > I think that either your teacher was very mistaken, or a number of mine have been. Bach was a legendary as a musician and improviser during his own time (he was famous as a keyboardist before he becamse famous as a composer), but it wasn't all 'by ear' :> Mozart was. >that's been pretty much the pattern in art and scholarship: first the >intuitive artists put it together and then the analysts take it >apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate the masters by >le-based exercises, and most of them get throttled in the process. Most? All. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 16:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03525; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:42:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c1dfd4$9a586670$08f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CABB@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:41:13 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1DFDC.FAFF2970" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8kXnt.A.k1.EI1s8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1DFDC.FAFF2970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)>That's been pretty much the pattern in art = and scholarship: first the intuitive artists put it together and then = the analysts take it apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate = the masters by rule-based exercises, and most of them get throttled in = the process.< the same thing has happened with jazz. gotta hand it to bach: he pretty = much wrote the book on "music theory" without meaning to do so. >most people seem to start with a melody that would lead the harmony as = it goes< this is not always the case with traditional jazz. often, composer x = will start with harmonically interesting chord changes (think giant = steps, countdown, etc.) and the melody comes next. it makes the most = sense this way. since the harmonic progression (changes) will be the = basis on which composer/musician x will be improvising, the chords = therefore have more significance than the melody and thus come first. = charlie parker wrote new melodies over old tunes, keeping the chord = progression intact...although this has just as much to do with not = wanting to pay royalties on tunes he played/recorded. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1DFDC.FAFF2970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)
>That's been pretty much the = pattern in=20 art and scholarship: first the intuitive artists put it together and = then the=20 analysts take it apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate the = masters=20 by rule-based exercises, and most of them get throttled in the=20 process.<
 
the same thing has happened with = jazz. =20 gotta hand it to bach: he pretty much wrote the book on "music theory" = without=20 meaning to do so.
 
>most people seem to start with a = melody that=20 would lead the harmony as it goes<

this is not always the case with traditional jazz.  often, = composer x will start with harmonically interesting chord changes (think = giant=20 steps, countdown, etc.) and the melody comes next.  it makes the = most sense=20 this way.  since the harmonic progression (changes) will be the = basis on=20 which composer/musician x will be improvising, the chords therefore have = more=20 significance than the melody and thus come first.  charlie parker = wrote new=20 melodies over old tunes, keeping the chord progression intact...although = this=20 has just as much to do with not wanting to pay royalties on tunes he=20 played/recorded.
 
-jim
 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1DFDC.FAFF2970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 16:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04016; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:48:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:48:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c1e007$adf39820$ef934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:46:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA03831 Resent-Message-ID: <49ILzB.A.K8.IO1s8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart wrote: >my understanding is that these guys were thinking in terms of lines in >*modes* - - not in functional harmony. isn't this also how indian music >works (not that i know a damn thing about this), they work in ragas (which >are vaguely analogous to modes) and dont't really have harmonic pregression? Yes and no. Indian ragas are similar to modes, but are more specialized in that each raga has its own definitive individual melodic contour. In some ragas this is a straightforward ascending and descending pattern, in others more of a zigzag pattern. Due to the variance in the melodic shape, different ragas can be based on the same "mode" or "scale." There is absolutely no idea of harmonic progression, or "harmony" at all in Indian music. The classical music is entirely monophonic, with the melody occurring over an unchanging tonic drone. Since it is primarily a soloist's music (singer or instrumentalist, accompanied by drum and drone) there is no interweaving of melodic material, but a long, unfolding development of the raga. Even in instances where vocalists perform with their students for backup, the additional voices are singing in unison with the main vocalist. In contemporary practice, instrumental duets and trios (called "jugalbandi" - Hindi for "tied together") are becoming more common. But the same ethos applies -- the instrumentalists will perform precomposed material together in unison, and then play solo individually, coming back together in unison for the "gat" or "bandish" ("composition" -- akin to the idea of the "head" in jazz). One of the reasons for the lack of harmony in Indian music is that so little of the melodic material is precomposed, and so much is improvised on the spot by the soloist, based on the "rules" of the raga. Another reason that Indian music developed along non-harmonic lines (no pun intended) is the microtonal nature of the raga system. Another is the use of very large (or very small) intervallic leaps within the melodies. For example, in North Indian music there's a very popular raga called Todi. Its scale is as follows: Tonic flat Second flat Third (which is "extra flat" microtonally) raised Fourth Fifth flat Sixth natural Seventh Octave As you can see, this sort of melody does not lend itself well to harmonization. There have been some attempts to "harmonize" Indian ragas, but it seems to me a futile task, and a waste of time trying to apply the mechanics of one musical system inappropriately to another. Something like trying to "square the circle" so as to improve automobile tires :-) My two paisa. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 16:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04409; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:53:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:51:44 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CABD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CABD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:31 PM -0400 4/9/02, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** sure, but bach and earlier composers (like vivaldi, etc.) used >block chords for their choral music. It makes particular sense that chorales would be largely homophonic, making it easier for a congregation to sing and keeping florid polyphonic complexities from obscuring the text. Of course Bach turned even that relatively "serviceable" form into sophisticated art. Although I think it's interesting to trace artistic developments and say that "so-and-so" did "such-and-such" and influenced "what's-his-face," one thing I've noticed is that creative artists (and other thinkers) often come up with ideas that subsequently lie fallow. Sometimes these ideas are found again and serve as inspiration to others; sometimes they are independently invented by others and have to be considered as precursors rather than as direct influences. Trying to figure out which is which is part of the fun of scholarship, and it can lead either to great aesthetic revelations or to interminable and pointless arguments. It's not always easy to figure out which is which. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 17:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06860; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.bf0be7e.29e4b2d6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:10:46 EDT Subject: GIG SPAM PITTSBURGH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is the blurb that went out about our thusday gig, it should contain at least 75% loop content or there abouts, bring your "loop-o-meter" and see.....michael k The Stem Cell Liberation Front at The 31st St. Pub, Thursday April 11, 2002 And now it's time for another evening of the Elastic Concept...this one even more elastic than the last. Rather than have the same old configurations, we're doing something different. The band lineup is this: * The Stem Cell Liberation Front: Drummer par excellence Ryan Sigesmund and I are back with another set of wildly danceable noise. We rocked the Rex, and now it's time to rock the Strip. * Axis of Evil: twisted minimal (that's the goal, anyway) improv performance I'll be doing with Nick and Ty from Clutter and Mike Klobuchar, who laid down some fascinating noise (air-fx and Boomerang pedal) at the last Sonic Roulette. Total improv. * Template, a group of young rockers from the middle of Nowheresville, PA. (Patricia thinks they should amend their name to "Template of Doom" and I think I'm going to mention this to them.) Bring flannel and earplugs and get ready to rock, tough guy. * AND! Robert "Unfinished Symphonies" Press will also introduce each act with a custom-composed Elastic Overture. * Also some things * And the other stuff Obviously this will be an evening of unparalleled variety. For everyone who missed the Rex show, come on out to watch us slowly work our way through every Pittsburgh bar and club. 9:30. $3. The 31st St. Pub, 3101 Penn Avenue, in the Strip District, Pittsburgh. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 17:37:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08268; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:30:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:30:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <01d101c1dea1$259e0b20$c9168bd1@Douglas> <3.0.6.32.20020407233844.00807b80@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Adrenalinn - more info please Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:29:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2002 21:29:56.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1F71040:01C1E00D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Trey Gunn has been known to strum bar chords (!) on the Stick (melody side, anyway) even before he switched from Stick to Warr. Maybe his crafty tuning makes that easier? > You can strum, but that unfortunatley takes your second hand away from playing whatever it is supposed to be playing :> Unfortunately, since I'm currently using that hand to control 12 other things as well as the bass line, things get difficult fast :> Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 17:46:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08959; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:44:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:44:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01c1e018$a6735de0$096e580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) >RZ wrote: > >>Also, there are times in polyphonic music when it might be more >>useful to refer to a set of simutaneous notes as a "simultaneity" >>rather than a "chord." > >At 10:09 PM -0500 4/8/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > >>i agree, but the end result is a chord, wouldn't you say. so >>effectively, there's no difference, yes? i guess it depends on how >>you look at a given >>composition. i would think that a composer would focus on the group >>result (i.e. chords). > >At 1:20 PM -0400 4/9/02, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >>** i think that what richard is getting at here is the idea of >>polyphinc music in something like renaissance vocal music (as well >>as many others) where the *lines* and counterpoint are more >>important than harmony . . . mostly because (and i could be wrong >>here) these types of folks aren't/weren't necessarily thinking about >>harmony - - functional or otherwise. > >Yes. It's the difference between polyphonic and homophonic music. > >I'm not saying that in analyzing polyphonic music that you have to >deny that a harmonic simultaneity is a "chord." I'm saying that it >can be misleading to think chordally when the music is primarily >melodic. Another thing to consider is that in some musical situations >a "chord" may function more as a "fused ensemble timbre." In this >case the sound is more than a group of simultaneously sounding >pitches; the aggregate effect is of a single sound. You have to think >more in terms of the composite spectrum of all the instruments >sounding and fusing together. The "notes" of the underlying chord are >only part of the picture. ah ha. agreed and then some. i was talking to the mrs. the other night and ask how some program might go about transcribing my compositions. we laughed. you see, i really think westerners can't help but hear the sound and then quickly try to identify what is causing friction. whereas, some others hear music as a full on sound wave, not necessairilly fit for transcribing consumpion, eh? > >This is probably a bit beyond the original discussion, which was more >about the preferred terminology for multiple notes or musical tones, >but it leads to some more subtle and advanced areas that might be >useful to some of us. Notions of polyphony versus homophony versus >versus timbral fusion are quite useful in analyzing loop music. >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD yup. bw, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 18:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14261; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAC3@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: re[2]: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:46:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E018.6027E9F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E018.6027E9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think that either your teacher was very mistaken, or a number of mine have been. Bach was a legendary as a musician and improviser during his own time (he was famous as a keyboardist before he becamse famous as a composer), but it wasn't all 'by ear' :> Mozart was. ** so was beethoven and (i believe) brahms - - who supported his family as a teen by playing in the brothels of hamburg ( i think it was), my guess being that no one would mind if he just jammed. bach was supposed to be able to improvise 4-part fugues (scary!) - - the nusical offering being born out of just such an exercise, i believe. my personal take is that much of 19th-cent comp was codified piano improvisations. unless you were bruckner and then they were organ improvs (i think you can really hear the way the composer's main instrument colored how they wrote). >that's been pretty much the pattern in art and scholarship: first the >intuitive artists put it together and then the analysts take it >apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate the masters by >le-based exercises, and most of them get throttled in the process. Most? All. ** hmm, to be fair, that sort of thing has also helped people as well. even though i'm sort of an auto-didact, i acknowledge that there is stuff to be learned from people who do that sort of thing. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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I think that either your teacher was very mistaken, or a = number of mine have
been. Bach was a legendary as a musician and improviser = during his own time
(he was famous as a keyboardist before he becamse famous= as a composer), but
it wasn't all 'by ear' :> Mozart was.

** so was beethoven and (i believe) brahms - - who suppor= ted his family as a teen by playing in the brothels of hamburg ( i think it= was), my guess being that no one would mind if he just jammed. bach was su= pposed to be able to improvise 4-part fugues (scary!) - - the nusical offer= ing being born out of just such an exercise, i believe.

my personal take is that much of 19th-cent comp was codif= ied piano improvisations. unless you were bruckner and then they were organ= improvs (i think you can really hear the way the composer's main instrumen= t colored how they wrote).

>that's been pretty much the pattern in art and schola= rship: first the
>intuitive artists put it together and then the analy= sts take it
>apart. Finally, the poor students have to emulate th= e masters by
>le-based exercises, and most of them get throttled i= n the process.

Most?

All.

** hmm, to be fair, that sort of thing has also helped pe= ople as well. even though i'm sort of an auto-didact, i acknowledge that th= ere is stuff to be learned from people who do that sort of thing.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E018.6027E9F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 18:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15472; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:58:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:58:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAC5@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:58:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.19828440" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.19828440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" snipping bit here . . . >Yes and no. Indian ragas are similar to modes, . . . There is absolutely no idea of harmonic progression, or "harmony" at all in Indian music. < ** well i suppose that this was my point, not the more nuanced view of how ragas are really constructed and so on. i was just trying to point out different musics that might not have any "harmonic" foundation (not to be confuse with tonal foundation). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.19828440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)

snipping bit here . . .

>Yes and no.  Indian ragas are similar to modes,&= nbsp; . . .

There is absolutely no idea of harmonic progression, or &= quot;harmony" at all in Indian music.  <

** well i suppose that this was my point, not the more nu= anced view of how ragas are really constructed and so on. i was just trying= to point out different musics that might not have any "harmonic"= foundation (not to be confuse with tonal foundation).



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.19828440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 19:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16918; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAC6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:03:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.C1CCCAC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.C1CCCAC0 Content-Type: text/plain It makes particular sense that chorales would be largely homophonic, making it easier for a congregation to sing and keeping florid polyphonic complexities from obscuring the text. Of course Bach turned even that relatively "serviceable" form into sophisticated art. ** yeah, and i was wondering if there is some correlation between that and the fact that the singin started to get away from the more "priestly" caste and more into the concgregation at large - - and then whether that had something to do with the move away from "nobility?royalty" and toward burgeoning merchant/middle class in the late renaissance and so forth. Although I think it's interesting to trace artistic developments and say that "so-and-so" did "such-and-such" and influenced "what's-his-face," one thing I've noticed is that creative artists (and other thinkers) often come up with ideas that subsequently lie fallow. Sometimes these ideas are found again and serve as inspiration to others; sometimes they are independently invented by others and have to be considered as precursors rather than as direct influences. ** well don't you think a lot of that can come down to people who may not have had the success of someone like beethoven, so their ideas weren't really recognized? Trying to figure out which is which is part of the fun of scholarship, and it can lead either to great aesthetic revelations or to interminable and pointless arguments. It's not always easy to figure out which is which. ** sometimes stuff is just in the air - - it's the onslaught of history??? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.C1CCCAC0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)

It makes particular sense that chorales would be largely = homophonic,
making it easier for a congregation to sing and keeping = florid
polyphonic complexities from obscuring the text. Of cour= se Bach
turned even that relatively "serviceable" form= into sophisticated art.

** yeah, and i was wondering if there is some correlation= between that and the fact that the singin started to get away from the mor= e "priestly" caste and more into the concgregation at large - - a= nd then whether that had something to do with the move away from "nobi= lity?royalty" and toward burgeoning merchant/middle class in the late = renaissance and so forth.


Although I think it's interesting to trace artistic devel= opments and
say that "so-and-so" did "such-and-such&q= uot; and influenced
"what's-his-face," one thing I've noticed is t= hat creative artists
(and other thinkers) often come up with ideas that subse= quently lie
fallow. Sometimes these ideas are found again and serve = as
inspiration to others; sometimes they are independently = invented by
others and have to be considered as precursors rather th= an as direct
influences.

** well don't you think a lot of that can come down to pe= ople who may not have had the success of someone like beethoven, so their i= deas weren't really recognized?

Trying to figure out which is which is part of the fun of=
scholarship, and it can lead either to great aesthetic r= evelations or
to interminable and pointless arguments. It's not always= easy to
figure out which is which.

** sometimes stuff is just in the air - - it's the onslau= ght of history???

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E01A.C1CCCAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 19:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15185; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:55:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAC4@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:56:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E019.B85D21C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E019.B85D21C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" the same thing has happened with jazz. gotta hand it to bach: he pretty much wrote the book on "music theory" without meaning to do so. ** don't you think that bach picked up a lot from other folks and then just made it his? he seemed to have at least borrowed from people like buxtehude and vivaldi, no? >most people seem to start with a melody that would lead the harmony as it goes< this is not always the case with traditional jazz. often, composer x will start with harmonically interesting chord changes (think giant steps, countdown, etc.) and the melody comes next. it makes the most sense this way. since the harmonic progression (changes) will be the basis on which composer/musician x will be improvising, the chords therefore have more significance than the melody and thus come first. charlie parker wrote new melodies over old tunes, keeping the chord progression intact...although this has just as much to do with not wanting to pay royalties on tunes he played/recorded. ** well, i did say *most* - - not *all*. in my opinion, for parker the tunes were more a means to blow, not necessarily for being themselves; it was nice that they were good tunes, but not really necessary. a guy like ornette, on the other hand, doesn't really use chords - - neither did miles in some of his more modal moments. i think they're thinking more in *tonal areas* or some such. art pepper didn't know anything about chord theory for quite a while, it was all by ear. people who really play well through "rhythm" changes are probably not really thinking about the chords at all. but, i guess my original point is that the melody better really sing or the harmonic hipness may be of no real import. a real synergy is to be hoped for. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E019.B85D21C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Chords (was Adrenalinn)
 
the same thing has happened with jazz.  gotta hand it to bach: he pretty much wrote the book on "music theory" without meaning to do so.
  
 ** don't you think that bach picked up a lot from other folks and then just made it his? he seemed to have at least borrowed from people like buxtehude and vivaldi, no?
 
>most people seem to start with a melody that would lead the harmony as it goes<

this is not always the case with traditional jazz. often, composer x will start with harmonically interesting chord changes (think giant steps, countdown, etc.) and the melody comes next.  it makes the most sense this way.  since the harmonic progression (changes) will be the basis on which composer/musician x will be improvising, the chords therefore have more significance than the melody and thus come first.  charlie parker wrote new melodies over old tunes, keeping the chord progression intact...although this has just as much to do with not wanting to pay royalties on tunes he played/recorded.

** well, i did say *most* - - not *all*. in my opinion, for parker the tunes were more a means to blow, not necessarily for being themselves; it was nice that they were good tunes, but not really necessary. a guy like ornette, on the other hand, doesn't really use chords - - neither did miles in some of his more modal moments. i think they're thinking more in *tonal areas* or some such. art pepper didn't know anything about chord theory for quite a while, it was all by ear. people who really play well through "rhythm" changes are probably not really thinking about the chords at all. but, i guess my original point is that the melody better really sing or the harmonic hipness may be of no real import. a real synergy is to be hoped for.
 
stig
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E019.B85D21C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 20:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23505; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:40:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:40:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020410003935.71975.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004501c1e007$adf39820$ef934e0c@u73x0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- James Pokorny wrote: > Since it > is primarily a soloist's music (singer or > instrumentalist, accompanied by drum and drone) > there is no interweaving of melodic material In South Indian (Karnatic) music, in contrast to North Indian (Hindustani) traditions, a violin usually echos portions or the entirety of the main vocalist/instrumentalist's melodic phrases about a second or two behind them. This echo and the main melodic phrases frequently overlap, but as you suggest, they don't 'interweave' as separate melodies forming harmonies. Fun to imitate with an EDP :-) > One of the reasons for the lack of harmony in Indian > music is that so little of the melodic material is > precomposed, Karnatic music in contrast has a wealth of precomposed pieces. It is curious (basking in broad generalizations here) that a culture (western European) that tends to value individualism creates classical music requiring an extraordinary number of musicians to cooperate to perform that music, while another culture that tends to value social conformity (Indian) creates classical music traditions that glorifies the creativity of the individual. /soapbox Sometimes I think I bought the EDP just to create kick-a** drones! Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 23:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06387; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:06:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.53.253.140] From: "link marlow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #214 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:05:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 03:05:34.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[94BF7740:01C1E03C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 9 23:59:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11445; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020410035728.17537.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Banjology Subject: EXTENDING PDS 1002 TIME.......DO YOU SEE THIS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0rNN8B.A.VvC.pg7s8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah i was wondering about extending the delay time on my pds 1002......how do i do this? And do you people see this?....because i never get any replys! John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 00:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14610; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:09:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new to LD - advice please Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:08:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 04:08:08.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[52C6F3A0:01C1E045] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All- I am a guitarist who is about to buy the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro but I'd like to ask- When you use 100% feedback, does the original signal eventually degrade like most delay units? Thanks for any input Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 00:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16112; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:35:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:35:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c1e048$b68fd070$e4ae7141@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:32:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, it just keeps on going, and going, and going.... You're going to like it. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin gallagher" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: new to LD - advice please > Hi All- > > I am a guitarist who is about to buy the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital > Pro but I'd like to ask- When you use 100% feedback, does the original > signal eventually degrade like most delay units? > > Thanks for any input > > Kevin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 01:10:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18920; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:08:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:08:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020410050737.93084.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EXTENDING PDS 1002 TIME.......DO YOU SEE THIS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020410035728.17537.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, When speaking to upper classmen, newbies are required to render honors thusly...... 1) Stand at attention 2) Form circle with finger & thumb of right hand. Remaining 3 fingers should be extended. 3) Slowly raise right arm in salute. The circle should come to rest in the middle of your forehead. 4) Recite the following: Kim is phat Kim is dope Let us thank him for our loop amen Or..you can always call us a bunch of useless puddknockers & shame us into submission. Here's some info on extending the delay time on the Digitech RDS delays. I don't know if the same applies to the pedals. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/timemachine/timemachine_mod.html Good luck! John --- Banjology wrote: > Yeah i was wondering about extending the delay time > on > my pds 1002......how do i do this? And do you people > see this?....because i never get any replys! > > John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 04:39:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30780; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1b9d254e.29e55341@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:35:13 EDT Subject: re: Chords (harmony for loops) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <0-yyz.A.qgH.ym_s8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard said >Notions of polyphony versus homophony versus >versus timbral fusion are quite useful in analyzing loop music. and then he said > "the harmony is a function of the polyphony" (about polyphonic music) ...and reading a text on Counterpoint confirms this to be the case. The direction that each melody line follows and the way the intervals between them change, are considered before the harmony becomes defined. (but only prog-rockers use this stuff nowadays) stig said >isn't this also how indian music works with a single line over a continuous drone there's a tension between the melody and the tonic(=drone note) which kind of makes up for the lack of "western" harmony. The emphasising of a particular note of the scale, by phrasing, means that the music still has a system of tension and release. (I bet most of us do this by ear already). When looping, I've been using an approach which (to me anyway) sounds more like South East Asian music (gamelan etc) The notes from a mode are introduced into a loop to produce a kind of hanging effect. Seeming to have some sort of harmonic direction but never resolving, always floating. This then allows the start/end of the loop to be obscured, or totally lost, which gives less impression of mechanical repeatition. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 09:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16265; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:41:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Wed, 10 Apr 02 08:46:10 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:39:48 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: EXTENDING PDS 1002 TIME.......DO YOU SEE THIS? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi John. In the RDS 7.6 there were a couple of trim pots internally in the unit that could be used to change the bias and resolution of the delay. Lower resolution = longer delay time. The 1002 may have these, I don't know. If you change them, make sure to mark or remember their original position! -K >>> banjology@yahoo.com 04/09/02 10:57PM >>> Yeah i was wondering about extending the delay time on my pds 1002......how do i do this? And do you people see this?....because i never get any replys! John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 10:44:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20684; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:43:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:43:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:41:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 14:41:50.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[D96867B0:01C1E09D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the advice on the echoplex- I just ordered the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex from ebay for $649 (w/o shipping/handling)- it's the best price I could find. I can't wait to start using it!!! I guess I'll need to get a foot controller too- anyone know of any deals on foot controllers out there? Musician's friend is selling for $115- does that seem reasonable? Thanks again Kevin _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 10:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21205; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQtduEFar9nT8qyO1WV/H4+caNYFAIUc38FM0XNZagyBnGk3yPhdaSo9sM= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:48:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Message-ID: <19084-3CB450BC-120@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Stephen 's message of Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Talking about Karnatic music and Hindustani traditions, is'nt a Serangi not a violn the melodic indtrument(traditionally) and the ragas flow with the time of day, like morning ragas, afternoon ragas, and evening ragas in order to flow with the rhythm of life. A musician has to be pretty tuned in to play them properly. Peace'Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 10:59:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21807; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:58:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:57:08 -0700 Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please From: Rik Elswit To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/9/02 9:08 PM, kevin gallagher at kgal696969@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi All- > > I am a guitarist who is about to buy the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital > Pro but I'd like to ask- When you use 100% feedback, does the original > signal eventually degrade like most delay units? > > Thanks for any input > > Kevin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- If you use 100% feedback, you're signal will cycle forever, as near as I can tell. I've checked on mine after having it run for several days and there was no degradation at all. However, when you're in overdub mode, feedback drops automatically to something like 95% to avoid excessive buildup of gain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 11:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23052; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:58:06 -0700 Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please From: Rik Elswit To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/10/02 7:41 AM, kevin gallagher at kgal696969@hotmail.com wrote: > Thanks for the advice on the echoplex- I just ordered the Gibson/Oberheim > Echoplex from ebay for $649 (w/o shipping/handling)- it's the best price I > could find. I can't wait to start using it!!! > > I guess I'll need to get a foot controller too- anyone know of any deals on > foot controllers out there? Musician's friend is selling for $115- does that > seem reasonable? > > Thanks again > > Kevin > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > Sounds about right. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 11:14:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23854; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:12:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: myoder@dusty.tamiu.edu Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:11:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Yoder Subject: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -- Hi fellow loopers, After searching the LD archives, I really didn't find too much of a definitive answer to my question: What's the best product for sampling, storing, and sequencing loops? I use the Line 6 and Boss RC-20 loopers, primarily with fretless bass and e-bow. Currently, I back up my favorite loops to a minidisc walkman, but this is not suitable for recalling the loops in live performance. Some loops can be recreated on the spot (the pieces are often based on developing loops through time), but some loops are too harmonically intricate to reproduce accurately in a live setting, especially with a fretless instrument. What I seek is a suitable sampler/sequencer---a dedicated unit in one box without the need for a computer---that can easily be carried to a performance, to play back stored loop ideas as supplements to my live looping. It might be nice to also be able to sequence percussion parts and synth washes, etc. Would any of the modest-priced units such as Boss SP-505, Korg Electribe S, Zoom ST224, Yamaha SU700, etc. with "Smart Media Cards" be adequate for storing and sequencing a bunch of 2-14 second loops? If anyone has done something like what I've described, and/or has any suggestions for me, I'd surely appreciate it. Thanks. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 11:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25659; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:40:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 15:40:36.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EDB71A0:01C1E0A6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about a unit that allows stereo 44.1k loops, upto 80 mins in length for ~$20? Buy a cd player, and burn your own cds. You'll probably want a volume pedal for it too. Make sure you get one that doesn't pause between tracks, or when on repeat, and doesn't beep or make other noise when you press the buttons. It won't synch up with other gear, but that shouldn't be a problem for you, since neither do your other loopers. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Yoder" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops > > -- > Hi fellow loopers, > > After searching the LD archives, I really didn't find too much of a > definitive answer to my question: What's the best product for > sampling, storing, and sequencing loops? > > I use the Line 6 and Boss RC-20 loopers, primarily with fretless bass > and e-bow. Currently, I back up my favorite loops to a minidisc > walkman, but this is not suitable for recalling the loops in live > performance. Some loops can be recreated on the spot (the pieces are > often based on developing loops through time), but some loops are too > harmonically intricate to reproduce accurately in a live setting, > especially with a fretless instrument. > > What I seek is a suitable sampler/sequencer---a dedicated unit in one > box without the need for a computer---that can easily be carried to a > performance, to play back stored loop ideas as supplements to my live > looping. It might be nice to also be able to sequence percussion > parts and synth washes, etc. > > Would any of the modest-priced units such as Boss SP-505, Korg > Electribe S, Zoom ST224, Yamaha SU700, etc. with "Smart Media Cards" > be adequate for storing and sequencing a bunch of 2-14 second loops? > > If anyone has done something like what I've described, and/or has any > suggestions for me, I'd surely appreciate it. > > Thanks. > Cheers, > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 11:45:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25359; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:38:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:38:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020410153824.23838.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Yoder wrote: >What's the best product for sampling, storing, and sequencing >loops? That depends. It sounds like you need a looper to store the loops in, so that they'll loop while you perform with them. I don't know if samplers can do that or not. If it were me, I'd probably get a Repeater. It stores the loops on Compact Flash cards, allowing many loops to be stored persistantly. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 11:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26464; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c1e0a7$c7a7aea0$54b94e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:52:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA26390 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill asked: >Talking about Karnatic music and Hindustani traditions, >is'nt a Serangi not a violn the melodic indtrument >(traditionally) and the ragas flow with the time of day, >like morning ragas, afternoon ragas, and evening >ragas in order to flow with the rhythm of life. A musician >has to be pretty tuned in to play them properly. Not to dwell too long on (OT) Indian music, but here are some quick answers: In the Carnatic (South Indian classical) tradition, the violin is *the* standard accompanying instrument in every recital, whether vocal or instrumental. The western violin was first brought into India by Portuguese explorers in the colonial era, and in South India it has been in continuous use since the 1700's. So much so that it's no longer even thought of as being a "foreign" instrument! In the North Indian (Hindustani) tradition, the sarangi had for years been the preeminent accompaniment for vocal music. Sadly, it has given way to the (western) harmonium, due to several factors such as the difficult playing technique, the near impossibility of retuning the 30+ strings for each separate melody, compared to the relative ease of harmonium technique. Unfortunately the harmonium cannot reproduce the microtonal nuances of the Indian tuning system. Violin is also sometimes used as vocal accompaniment in North Indian music. In both Northern and Southern traditions, the violin is tuned openly in fifths (e.g., d-a-d-a) and the instrument is balanced with the scroll resting on the player's foot, and the body held against the chest so that the left hand is free to move easily up and down the neck without having to support the weight of the violin. As far as the "time of day" and "seasonal" nature of melodies, this only occurs in the North Indian system. There's no time association with South Indian ragas. So even though there are some shared melodies in the Northern and Southern systems, for instance a melody that will only be played after sunset in the North may be performed at any time in the Southern tradition. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 12:55:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30895; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020410165312.40141.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:53:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Banjology Subject: Re: EXTENDING PDS 1002 TIME.......DO YOU SEE THIS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020410050737.93084.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info. Sorry about the disrespect and all.....bye bye ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:09:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00379; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:03:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:03:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020410170329.30321.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems reasonable, but he said he already had the loops on MD and that wasn't adequate for his performance purposes. He didn't say why though. I presumed it was because he wanted variable lengths on them, which recording long sections of the loops and adding the volume pedal you suggested would resolve. It seems to me that the quality of an MD would be good enough for live performance, especially considering that he thinks it's good enough for loop archival purposes. Or maybe his reasoning is the ability to select and start loops quickly, without a pause, without changing media. If so, the Repeater would rectify that. It'd also add the ability to change the tempo & pitch of the saved loops on the fly. So, I guess the question goes back to you, Michael. What are your needs as far as a performance machine? Greg --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > How about a unit that allows stereo 44.1k loops, upto 80 mins in > length for > ~$20? Buy a cd player, and burn your own cds. You'll probably want a > volume > pedal for it too. Make sure you get one that doesn't pause between > tracks, > or when on repeat, and doesn't beep or make other noise when you > press the > buttons. > > It won't synch up with other gear, but that shouldn't be a problem > for you, > since neither do your other loopers. > > bIz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Yoder" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:11 AM > Subject: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops > > > > > > -- > > Hi fellow loopers, > > > > After searching the LD archives, I really didn't find too much of a > > definitive answer to my question: What's the best product for > > sampling, storing, and sequencing loops? > > > > I use the Line 6 and Boss RC-20 loopers, primarily with fretless > bass > > and e-bow. Currently, I back up my favorite loops to a minidisc > > walkman, but this is not suitable for recalling the loops in live > > performance. Some loops can be recreated on the spot (the pieces > are > > often based on developing loops through time), but some loops are > too > > harmonically intricate to reproduce accurately in a live setting, > > especially with a fretless instrument. > > > > What I seek is a suitable sampler/sequencer---a dedicated unit in > one > > box without the need for a computer---that can easily be carried to > a > > performance, to play back stored loop ideas as supplements to my > live > > looping. It might be nice to also be able to sequence percussion > > parts and synth washes, etc. > > > > Would any of the modest-priced units such as Boss SP-505, Korg > > Electribe S, Zoom ST224, Yamaha SU700, etc. with "Smart Media > Cards" > > be adequate for storing and sequencing a bunch of 2-14 second > loops? > > > > If anyone has done something like what I've described, and/or has > any > > suggestions for me, I'd surely appreciate it. > > > > Thanks. > > Cheers, > > Michael > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01716; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:17:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:17:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CACA@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Chords (harmony for loops) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:16:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E0B3.85A07DA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E0B3.85A07DA0 Content-Type: text/plain with a single line over a continuous drone there's a tension between the melody and the tonic(=drone note) which kind of makes up for the lack of "western" harmony. The emphasising of a particular note of the scale, by phrasing, means that the music still has a system of tension and release. (I bet most of us do this by ear already). ** yeah sure, european church composers used a similar technique around the 12th or 13th century (i think it is) - - leonin and perotin. unfortunately the name of the technique is on the tip of my tongue right now. in any event it was one held note by one voice and the free line sung by another voice. i think that most counterpoint is about the lines intersecting and creating tension and release against each other - - both rhythmically and tonally. when talking about "western harmony" i think it's probably to talk about the when/who quotient - - fer instance, i'm a self-styled western composer but, for the most part, don't use standard harmonic language and prefer to work with monophonic instruments to yield polyphonic results (or something, but i think you get the point). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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with a single line over a continuous drone there's
a tension between the melody and the tonic(=3Ddrone note= )
which kind of makes up for the lack of "western&quo= t; harmony.
The emphasising of a particular note of the scale, by ph= rasing,
means that the music still has a system of tension and
release. (I bet most of us do this by ear already).

** yeah sure, european church composers used a similar te= chnique around the 12th or 13th  century (i think it is) - - leonin an= d perotin. unfortunately the name of the technique is on the tip of my tong= ue right now. in any event it was one held note by one voice and the free l= ine sung by another voice. i think that most counterpoint is about the line= s intersecting and creating tension and release against each other - - both= rhythmically and tonally. when talking about "western harmony" i= think it's probably to talk about the when/who quotient - - fer instance, = i'm a self-styled western composer but, for the most part, don't use standa= rd harmonic language and prefer to work with monophonic instruments to yiel= d polyphonic results (or something, but i think you get the point). =

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E0B3.85A07DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:28:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02769; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:22:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:22:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: What's going on? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops Thread-Index: AcHgseMLjgo1Fpr2SZqPbNWk+h+ClwAAV7pQ From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA02404 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm listening to the KCRW Morning Becomes Eclectic show in which Mt. Torn appears and thought, "damn, I wish I could have seen what was going on." The looping is so fluid and seamless. I myself am stuck in a bit of a part1, part2, overdub, part3, whatever mode. I would *love* a play-by-play of this recording, seeing it's live and very much in the spirit of where I'd like to be headed. I searched backwards in the archive and found some nuggets from Andre (if I remember correctly) about what was going on, but I don't really have a good picture. What equipment was being used? What are the controllers? David has mentioned a couple of MIDI controllers, the Peavey thing, this or that. What is EDP? What is repeater? What is Lexicon? Man, so much I don't know. The link (for newbies or lazy people [and I consider myself both]): http://www.kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=3/11/02&tmplt_type=show Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops Seems reasonable, but he said he already had the loops on MD and that wasn't adequate for his performance purposes. He didn't say why though. I presumed it was because he wanted variable lengths on them, which recording long sections of the loops and adding the volume pedal you suggested would resolve. It seems to me that the quality of an MD would be good enough for live performance, especially considering that he thinks it's good enough for loop archival purposes. Or maybe his reasoning is the ability to select and start loops quickly, without a pause, without changing media. If so, the Repeater would rectify that. It'd also add the ability to change the tempo & pitch of the saved loops on the fly. So, I guess the question goes back to you, Michael. What are your needs as far as a performance machine? Greg --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > How about a unit that allows stereo 44.1k loops, upto 80 mins in > length for > ~$20? Buy a cd player, and burn your own cds. You'll probably want a > volume > pedal for it too. Make sure you get one that doesn't pause between > tracks, > or when on repeat, and doesn't beep or make other noise when you > press the > buttons. > > It won't synch up with other gear, but that shouldn't be a problem > for you, > since neither do your other loopers. > > bIz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Yoder" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:11 AM > Subject: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops > > > > > > -- > > Hi fellow loopers, > > > > After searching the LD archives, I really didn't find too much of a > > definitive answer to my question: What's the best product for > > sampling, storing, and sequencing loops? > > > > I use the Line 6 and Boss RC-20 loopers, primarily with fretless > bass > > and e-bow. Currently, I back up my favorite loops to a minidisc > > walkman, but this is not suitable for recalling the loops in live > > performance. Some loops can be recreated on the spot (the pieces > are > > often based on developing loops through time), but some loops are > too > > harmonically intricate to reproduce accurately in a live setting, > > especially with a fretless instrument. > > > > What I seek is a suitable sampler/sequencer---a dedicated unit in > one > > box without the need for a computer---that can easily be carried to > a > > performance, to play back stored loop ideas as supplements to my > live > > looping. It might be nice to also be able to sequence percussion > > parts and synth washes, etc. > > > > Would any of the modest-priced units such as Boss SP-505, Korg > > Electribe S, Zoom ST224, Yamaha SU700, etc. with "Smart Media > Cards" > > be adequate for storing and sequencing a bunch of 2-14 second > loops? > > > > If anyone has done something like what I've described, and/or has > any > > suggestions for me, I'd surely appreciate it. > > > > Thanks. > > Cheers, > > Michael > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:31:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03250; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB4749F.8ED0473B@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:21:35 -0500 From: Henry Heine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Human drummer:oxymoron? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gKpaC.A.cy.UVHt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to all, I am about to spring for a Repeater. Does anyone have experience setting up the Repeater to chase a human drummer? If so, what kind of sensor is used, and where is it placed on the drum kit? How good is the Repeater at locking to syncopated rhythms? Am I expecting too much from this machine? TIA Henry Heine bassist/mechanic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04683; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:41:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CB4749F.8ED0473B@bagend.com> References: <3CB4749F.8ED0473B@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:38:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Human drummer:oxymoron? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Henry Heine wrote: >Does anyone have experience setting up the Repeater to chase a human drummer? >If so, what kind of sensor is used, and where is it placed on the drum kit? >How good is the Repeater at locking to syncopated rhythms? >Am I expecting too much from this machine? I've been watching for that sort of thing on the list and haven't seen anyone talk about that. It works pretty well at syncing to other musical material if it has a strong kick drum or equivalent but it's a little weird around the edges. I don't use that feature in shows so I'm not really that familiar with it. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:53:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05631; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:52:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:52:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: aurlite@prodigy.net Message-ID: <003301c1e0d3$b6284be0$cb89ff3f@user> To: Subject: Chicago Loopers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:07:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C1E0B2.2E027CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C1E0B2.2E027CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Chicago loopers, My name is Jim I'm a looper from Detroit. traveling to Chicago soon. Any info on the electronic/loop/etc... will be appreciated thanks Jim=20 MUSIC LINKS EM www.cdstreet.com/artists/em visionEar www.cdbaby.com/visionear Detroit Improv Duo http://www.loudenergy.com/artists/Promo/Promoindex.asp?Bio=3Dtrue&BandID=3D= 5155 Sonic Nggets http://www.loudenergy.com/artists/Promo/PromoIndex.asp?Bio=3Dtrue&BandID=3D= 4307 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C1E0B2.2E027CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Chicago loopers,
My name is Jim
I'm a looper from Detroit.
traveling to Chicago soon.
Any info on the electronic/loop/etc...
will be appreciated
thanks
Jim 
MUSIC LINKS
 
EM
www.cdstreet.com/artists/em
 
visionEar
www.cdbaby.com/visionear
 
Detroit Improv Duo
http://www.loudenergy.com/artists/Promo/Promoindex.as= p?Bio=3Dtrue&BandID=3D5155
 
Sonic Nggets
http://www.loudenergy.com/artists/Promo/PromoIndex.as= p?Bio=3Dtrue&BandID=3D4307
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C1E0B2.2E027CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 13:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05718; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Human drummer:oxymoron? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Human drummer:oxymoron? Thread-Index: AcHgtOUmCKJ0AEyoEdab/QBQi3KHBwAAuWqw From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA05651 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm assuming you do not actually want to loop the drum audio, but rather just the bass (or whatever you might be playing). In which case, you'll need something like the RedSound Micro Sync or something similar to take the drummer's audio and convert it to MIDI clock and then run it to the Repeater. Knowing that the Repeater syncs to MIDI fairly well (and there are some that will argue this, but not by much), then it is really a question of how well the Micro Sync works--that and how to send drum audio to the Micro Sync and then MIDI info to the Repeater. A mic on the bass drum to an empty mixer channel to an unused aux send or straight out via the mixer's insert to the Micro Sync to the Repeater via a long-ass MIDI cable? Something like that. Never tried it (don't know a good drummer). http://www.redsound.com Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Henry Heine [mailto:henry@bagend.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Human drummer:oxymoron? Hello to all, I am about to spring for a Repeater. Does anyone have experience setting up the Repeater to chase a human drummer? If so, what kind of sensor is used, and where is it placed on the drum kit? How good is the Repeater at locking to syncopated rhythms? Am I expecting too much from this machine? TIA Henry Heine bassist/mechanic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 14:13:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08541; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:12:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB48045.D22B82DD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:11:12 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Human drummer:oxymoron? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2wYQBB.A.1EC.VBIt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a test to see how well the Repeater's bpm synch worked by hooking it up to the audio output of my Roland MC-307 and going through a lot of it's preset drum/synth loops. No MIDI involved. It did amazingly well on every type of beat, but I must say that this is a dance orientated box for sure, but some of the stuff was drum and bass and it followed it well, even when I was changing the tempo on the 307. (there was some lag, but it would lock after a bit) The issue is, there is no alternate "audio synch in" as Lindsay said, so that's it. "Graham, Lindsay" wrote: > I'm assuming you do not actually want to loop the drum audio, but rather just the bass (or whatever you might be playing). In which case, you'll need something like the RedSound Micro Sync or something similar to take the drummer's audio and convert it to MIDI clock and then run it to the Repeater. Knowing that the Repeater syncs to MIDI fairly well (and there are some that will argue this, but not by much), then it is really a question of how well the Micro Sync works--that and how to send drum audio to the Micro Sync and then MIDI info to the Repeater. A mic on the bass drum to an empty mixer channel to an unused aux send or straight out via the mixer's insert to the Micro Sync to the Repeater via a long-ass MIDI cable? Something like that. Never tried it (don't know a good drummer). > > http://www.redsound.com > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Heine [mailto:henry@bagend.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Human drummer:oxymoron? > > Hello to all, > > I am about to spring for a Repeater. > > Does anyone have experience setting up the Repeater to chase a human drummer? > If so, what kind of sensor is used, and where is it placed on the drum kit? > How good is the Repeater at locking to syncopated rhythms? > Am I expecting too much from this machine? > > TIA > Henry Heine > bassist/mechanic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 14:16:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08761; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:15:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:15:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c1e0bb$6e11efe0$4c35230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: What's going on? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:13:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that's a very, very open ended question, and really too much for someone to cover in a casual email. i would recommend checking out more of the www.loopersdelight.com site, particuarily the Tools of the Trade links, and search the archives for specific topics of interest. per david's technique, perhaps one good introduction might be to check out his 'painting with guitar' videos. there's a part 1 & 2 to this. i believe these videos deal primarily with delay based looping (a la lexicon pcm reverb/delays), but from what i've gathered, should be widely applicable to looping techniques in general, especially guitar looping. i know they're still available, because i ordered them both recently at my local music store. ;-) have fun, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: What's going on? > I'm listening to the KCRW Morning Becomes Eclectic show in which Mt. Torn appears and thought, "damn, I wish I could have seen what was going on." The looping is so fluid and seamless. I myself am stuck in a bit of a part1, part2, overdub, part3, whatever mode. I would *love* a play-by-play of this recording, seeing it's live and very much in the spirit of where I'd like to be headed. > > I searched backwards in the archive and found some nuggets from Andre (if I remember correctly) about what was going on, but I don't really have a good picture. What equipment was being used? What are the controllers? David has mentioned a couple of MIDI controllers, the Peavey thing, this or that. What is EDP? What is repeater? What is Lexicon? > > Man, so much I don't know. > > The link (for newbies or lazy people [and I consider myself both]): http://www.kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=3/1 1/02&tmplt_type=show > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops > > Seems reasonable, but he said he already had the loops on MD and that > wasn't adequate for his performance purposes. He didn't say why though. > > I presumed it was because he wanted variable lengths on them, which > recording long sections of the loops and adding the volume pedal you > suggested would resolve. > > It seems to me that the quality of an MD would be good enough for live > performance, especially considering that he thinks it's good enough for > loop archival purposes. > > Or maybe his reasoning is the ability to select and start loops > quickly, without a pause, without changing media. If so, the Repeater > would rectify that. It'd also add the ability to change the tempo & > pitch of the saved loops on the fly. > > So, I guess the question goes back to you, Michael. What are your needs > as far as a performance machine? > > Greg > > --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > How about a unit that allows stereo 44.1k loops, upto 80 mins in > > length for > > ~$20? Buy a cd player, and burn your own cds. You'll probably want a > > volume > > pedal for it too. Make sure you get one that doesn't pause between > > tracks, > > or when on repeat, and doesn't beep or make other noise when you > > press the > > buttons. > > > > It won't synch up with other gear, but that shouldn't be a problem > > for you, > > since neither do your other loopers. > > > > bIz > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Yoder" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:11 AM > > Subject: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Hi fellow loopers, > > > > > > After searching the LD archives, I really didn't find too much of a > > > definitive answer to my question: What's the best product for > > > sampling, storing, and sequencing loops? > > > > > > I use the Line 6 and Boss RC-20 loopers, primarily with fretless > > bass > > > and e-bow. Currently, I back up my favorite loops to a minidisc > > > walkman, but this is not suitable for recalling the loops in live > > > performance. Some loops can be recreated on the spot (the pieces > > are > > > often based on developing loops through time), but some loops are > > too > > > harmonically intricate to reproduce accurately in a live setting, > > > especially with a fretless instrument. > > > > > > What I seek is a suitable sampler/sequencer---a dedicated unit in > > one > > > box without the need for a computer---that can easily be carried to > > a > > > performance, to play back stored loop ideas as supplements to my > > live > > > looping. It might be nice to also be able to sequence percussion > > > parts and synth washes, etc. > > > > > > Would any of the modest-priced units such as Boss SP-505, Korg > > > Electribe S, Zoom ST224, Yamaha SU700, etc. with "Smart Media > > Cards" > > > be adequate for storing and sequencing a bunch of 2-14 second > > loops? > > > > > > If anyone has done something like what I've described, and/or has > > any > > > suggestions for me, I'd surely appreciate it. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Cheers, > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 14:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09933; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:27:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410110149.04e91680@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:12:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops In-Reply-To: <20020410170329.30321.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:03 AM 4/10/2002, you wrote: >Or maybe his reasoning is the ability to select and start loops >quickly, without a pause, without changing media. If so, the Repeater >would rectify that. It'd also add the ability to change the tempo & >pitch of the saved loops on the fly. Unlike a sampler, when you trigger loops on the Repeater there is about a half second pause before it plays the loop. An actual sampler is a better choice if you want to be triggering different prerecorded loops live from midi or a sequencer. I think all the ones Michael mentioned have the same tempo and pitch change features for loops that Repeater has. Also, he said he wanted a sequencer built in, which neither a cd player nor the repeater have. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 15:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07531; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:59:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:59:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:58:01 -0700 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: Human drummer:oxymoron? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20020410175819.XKWJ15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@dean> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA06343 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you talk to the ppl at electrix, they will tell you that the audio-sync function is really just for taking loops, and not for syncing recorded loops to an audio source. my experiments (with the audio out from drum machines, not human drummers), seem to indicate that the repeater (in this mode) is speeding up and slowing down a little durring recording (it's probably easier to hover around the tempo than to nail it exactly...and not all rhythmic loops are consistent in tempo throughout their duration). if i try to sync the other drum machines (via midi) to the repeater syncing to a drum machine audio output, the tempo drifts up and down a little. with ambient loops, it seems acceptable (although i haven't done this enough to figure out when it sonds bad), with drum machines and rhythmic loops, its drag down and catch up. it would be a nice feature on a future os to have a more solid tempo base from an audio source, preferably on one of the inputs, and be able to record loops from the other input (ie, it would be super cool to set up a mic in a drum circle to sync to the beat, and play/record loops live while synced). deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 15:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14252; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:15:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Every Echoplex is tested for decay at 100% Feedback , for 24 hours before leaving the factory. This is with three layers of Overdub, but Overdub is switched off for the 24hours as Rik is correct in the reduced FB when in OD mode. We figured that would be enough for anyone, but I left one looping for a week once and my incredibly bad bass playing sounded exactly the same at the end of the week :) -----Original Message----- From: Rik Elswit [mailto:rik@well.com] Sent: 10 April 2002 15:57 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please on 4/9/02 9:08 PM, kevin gallagher at kgal696969@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi All- > > I am a guitarist who is about to buy the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital > Pro but I'd like to ask- When you use 100% feedback, does the original > signal eventually degrade like most delay units? > > Thanks for any input > > Kevin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- If you use 100% feedback, you're signal will cycle forever, as near as I can tell. I've checked on mine after having it run for several days and there was no degradation at all. However, when you're in overdub mode, feedback drops automatically to something like 95% to avoid excessive buildup of gain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 15:50:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17601; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:48:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:48:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Human drummer:oxymoron? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:47:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 19:47:35.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[9009FFE0:01C1E0C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does anyone have experience setting up the Repeater to chase a human >drummer? I'm a human drummer. The repeater chases me. Now if it can catch me is the question :) I've had very good luck with the beat detect on the repeater. My only gripe is that the only way it can beat detect, is from its audio source. So if you don't want to loop the beat detect source too, you're in for a little gymnastics. You'll need to use the left input for the beat detect source signal, and the right input for your bass. Then stereo lock the tracks together and mute the left track. So the repeater WILL loop the beat detect source (your drummer) but you won't hear it because the left tracks are muted. Congradulations, you now have only two tracks to work with. Or three if you're fancy - I can explain how if you really want. Experiment with micing the drum kit. A good place to start is an SM57 on the hi-hat, or the bass drum. While the repeater is trying to lock onto the tempo, you can help it out by tapping the tap tempo button. Once the beat detect led stops blinking, signaling that it found the tempo, press the tempo-lock button and now it will only react to little variations in the drummer's tempo - syncopations shouldn't shake it at this point. Let us konw how it goes! Jon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 15:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18240; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:50:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 19:50:57.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[08440B90:01C1E0C9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the help and info- I'm looking forward to learning about this machine through the group and of course by experimenting. BTW- I did order everything from alto music- the deal there was much much better than the other internet deals- echoplex was $649 + shipping and the footcontroller $99. Already the group has helped me make a good choice- so thanks again! Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 16:27:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22850; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:25:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:25:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRkP6b1Ud42JOF5y4W7BD9yvOgXGwIUL15fHnew3s+Qrd1ZhUSgW59BDtY= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: O.T. Computers Message-ID: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank you all. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 16:55:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25490; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:49:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c1e0d1$34db0480$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to look for in your future "Hog": If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. CDR is a must. Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt printable sheets!" Make sure that your computer case has slots available for expansion of devices, such as adding a sound card or i/o board, etc. Just think about what your system may look like in 2 years, and if you'll be able to attain that with your current plan for a box. Good luck, D -----Original Message----- From: William Mcallister [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:25 PM To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: O.T. Computers Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank you all. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27533; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:03:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: re: Chords (harmony for loops) Message-Id: <100402100.50568@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:02:54 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy Butler: >When looping, I've been using an approach which >(to me anyway) sounds more like South East Asian >music (gamelan etc) >The notes from a mode are introduced into a loop >to produce a kind of hanging effect. >Seeming to have some sort of harmonic direction >but never resolving, always floating. >This then allows the start/end of the loop to be >obscured, or totally lost, which gives less >impression of mechanical repeatition. Nice! -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:14:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28532; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:12:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <5FpWwC.A.R9G.KrKt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Visit a local computer dealer and have a system built to your specifications rather than buy one off the shelf from Best buy. You will get more bang from your buck, and only you will only get the things you need. SCSI drives are the best but very expensive. If money is an option, Fast EIDE drives will usually suffice under most situations. Find out what applications you want to use, and if they all run under XP, choose windows XP as your operating system. You will get the best audio performance from the XP OS. Suggested audio interface manufacturers: Aardvark, Frontier Design, ECHO, M Audio. All are good choices. Select the card that offers the i/o choices that best fit your needs. Optical, SPDIF, Unbalanced XLR, 1/4 inch, numbers of I/O etc. Try to avoid a motherboard that has a modem or audio interface built into the board. These tend to cause hardware conflicts. Dual processor systems are sweet. You can't go wrong with intel. If you are going to go with a fast AMD processor, add extra cooling to your system. These tend to run hot and get glitchy after long sessions if they overheat. Selecting a large case for your computer will ensure room for expansion, and also improve airflow. I disapprove of pirating software. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement weather it's music, software or any other type of intellectual property. Why are you entitled to have people working for you with no benefit to themselves? It's also a bad idea. Hackers sometimes introduce viruses into cracked copies of software. Best regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Dylan DeAnda [mailto:dylan@loudcloud.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to look for in your future "Hog": If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. CDR is a must. Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt printable sheets!" Make sure that your computer case has slots available for expansion of devices, such as adding a sound card or i/o board, etc. Just think about what your system may look like in 2 years, and if you'll be able to attain that with your current plan for a box. Good luck, D -----Original Message----- From: William Mcallister [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:25 PM To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: O.T. Computers Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank you all. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28943; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:15:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <-ynKjB.A.iDH.-tKt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One more thing. Build your system with multiple hard drives. One as your boot drive (where you install your programs); and one or more to hold your audio data, backups etc. Having a dedicated drive for just your audio will greatly improve your performance. -----Original Message----- From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Hi, Visit a local computer dealer and have a system built to your specifications rather than buy one off the shelf from Best buy. You will get more bang from your buck, and only you will only get the things you need. SCSI drives are the best but very expensive. If money is an option, Fast EIDE drives will usually suffice under most situations. Find out what applications you want to use, and if they all run under XP, choose windows XP as your operating system. You will get the best audio performance from the XP OS. Suggested audio interface manufacturers: Aardvark, Frontier Design, ECHO, M Audio. All are good choices. Select the card that offers the i/o choices that best fit your needs. Optical, SPDIF, Unbalanced XLR, 1/4 inch, numbers of I/O etc. Try to avoid a motherboard that has a modem or audio interface built into the board. These tend to cause hardware conflicts. Dual processor systems are sweet. You can't go wrong with intel. If you are going to go with a fast AMD processor, add extra cooling to your system. These tend to run hot and get glitchy after long sessions if they overheat. Selecting a large case for your computer will ensure room for expansion, and also improve airflow. I disapprove of pirating software. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement weather it's music, software or any other type of intellectual property. Why are you entitled to have people working for you with no benefit to themselves? It's also a bad idea. Hackers sometimes introduce viruses into cracked copies of software. Best regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Dylan DeAnda [mailto:dylan@loudcloud.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to look for in your future "Hog": If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. CDR is a must. Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt printable sheets!" Make sure that your computer case has slots available for expansion of devices, such as adding a sound card or i/o board, etc. Just think about what your system may look like in 2 years, and if you'll be able to attain that with your current plan for a box. Good luck, D -----Original Message----- From: William Mcallister [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:25 PM To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: O.T. Computers Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank you all. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30142; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:18:06 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:25 PM -0700 4/10/02, William Mcallister wrote: >Whats the best bang for the buck? I eventually want to use it for >recording and all things musical. I'm a Macintosh partisan and will recommend one. What's your budget? Do you need a portable to take on gigs, or will a desktop model with slots be more to the point? An iBook with an external audio convertor might be adequate. The list price range for an iBook is $1,199 to $1,799. The models with Combo Drives (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) are $1,499 and $1,799, the more expensive having a larger screen. The G4 PowerBook is a lot more powerful and consequently more expensive, with a price range of $2,299 to $3,699. All three models have Combo Drives. The cheapest desktop is the iMac, with a price range of $1,399 through $1,899. The bottom of the line has a CD-RW drive, the mid-price has a Combo Drive, and the top has a SuperDrive (CD-RW/DVD-R). The iMac has no expansion slots for sound cards, so if you're happy with a USB or FireWire audio interface this could be an ideal model for music production. It's also fairly compact, so it could be taken out on gigs as well. Desktop tower Macs range from $1,599 to $3,849, plus the cost of a monitor. The cheapest one has a CD-RW and the others have SuperDrives. They all have PCI slots for sound and video cards. The top models have dual 1GHz processors, but all of them are fast. Whichever model you decide on, you'll need an audio interface of some kind. There are four types, depending on how you want to connect them to the computer: USB, FireWire, PCMCIA, or PCI. All Mac models have USB and FireWire. The laptop models have PCMCIA and the desktop towers have PCI. Depending on your audio I/O needs you can spend under $50 or over $50,000 on a system. You can get and 8-channel FireWire interface for under $1000 and a 2-channel USB interface for under $500. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31475; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:33:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In support of the PC platform: 1. You can get a really powerful PC for a fraction of the cost of a powerful Mac. 2. PC's have the lion share of the marketplace. Most software developers now develop their products for the PC first, and then mac (if ever). 3. Cakewalk software is only available for the PC :) -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers At 1:25 PM -0700 4/10/02, William Mcallister wrote: >Whats the best bang for the buck? I eventually want to use it for >recording and all things musical. I'm a Macintosh partisan and will recommend one. What's your budget? Do you need a portable to take on gigs, or will a desktop model with slots be more to the point? An iBook with an external audio convertor might be adequate. The list price range for an iBook is $1,199 to $1,799. The models with Combo Drives (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) are $1,499 and $1,799, the more expensive having a larger screen. The G4 PowerBook is a lot more powerful and consequently more expensive, with a price range of $2,299 to $3,699. All three models have Combo Drives. The cheapest desktop is the iMac, with a price range of $1,399 through $1,899. The bottom of the line has a CD-RW drive, the mid-price has a Combo Drive, and the top has a SuperDrive (CD-RW/DVD-R). The iMac has no expansion slots for sound cards, so if you're happy with a USB or FireWire audio interface this could be an ideal model for music production. It's also fairly compact, so it could be taken out on gigs as well. Desktop tower Macs range from $1,599 to $3,849, plus the cost of a monitor. The cheapest one has a CD-RW and the others have SuperDrives. They all have PCI slots for sound and video cards. The top models have dual 1GHz processors, but all of them are fast. Whichever model you decide on, you'll need an audio interface of some kind. There are four types, depending on how you want to connect them to the computer: USB, FireWire, PCMCIA, or PCI. All Mac models have USB and FireWire. The laptop models have PCMCIA and the desktop towers have PCI. Depending on your audio I/O needs you can spend under $50 or over $50,000 on a system. You can get and 8-channel FireWire interface for under $1000 and a 2-channel USB interface for under $500. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:39:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31130; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000001c1e0d1$34db0480$6142a8c0@dyland> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:32:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 21:32:30.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[3847BAE0:01C1E0D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, of, let me say: Don't be intimidated by the complicated sounding advice you are going to receive on this topic. It is complicated, but mainly due to the number of choices available, not because the choice are going to make or break your system. You can put together a PC today more powerful than you will ever need, for a pittance (say under $500-$1,000). > If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to > look for in your future "Hog": > > If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of > processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. Music hobbyists are the only 'home user' who still need more power from their PCs :> I am running a PII 400 in my home studio. Antiquated and under powered, yes, but very adequate for ~16 stereo tracks of audio plus as much midi as I want. From the sound of it, that's more than you will need for a while :> I can run three or four nice plugins, and a couple of light virtual instruments at once - say, 8 voices of sampler and a synth. A lot of what you purchase will depend on what you want to do with the pc. 'Make music' could involve a wide variety of requirements. How much gear do you already have? What do you want to do with the pc. I'm in the process of adding an 8 input expander to my pc, so I can have friends come over, jam, and record everyone separately, simultaneously. Then, when they have gone home, I going to put together music by combining and mutilating their play - DT Splattecell style. While laying down the basic tracks (8 tracks simultaneous record) would work on my current system, it would be much smoother with something faster. The 'remix' portion of the work, however, probably needs more power, since I will need an eq, compressor on most tracks, and lots of effects, so I'm going to have to upgrade. (John Wagner, Mark Sottilaro, please stand by...) > > 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, > so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. > Avoid the P4 running the cheaper, older memory - you're buying a super fast cpu that will be choked by cheapo memory. A number of virtual instriment makers, such as Native Instruments recomend staying away from the AMD stuff too, though I have no firsthand experience of this. > You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will > allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. > Don't bother with SCSI - it's days are over. ultraATA 66 or 100 is is as fast and about 1/5 to 1/10 the price. SCSI used to be the only game in town but is no longer relevant in studios that don't require terabytes of storage and have their own IT department. > CDR is a must. Yes. Especially if you want to share stuff with others, and send out demos. > > Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the > rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times > manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky > applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use > "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt > printable sheets!" Yes, stay away from the 'brand's - dull, hewlett-craphard - the higher end is over-priced, and the low end ie (e-machines etc), are very poor quality. You are better off purchasing a kit machine, though the dell are pretty quiet, which is a good thing for audio work. Is it worth a x2+ premium though? Here is my favourite supplier - http://www.pixelusa.com though mainly because they are local to me. Here is a 'build your own' guide. I wouldn't recomend doing that if I'd never owned a computer, but someone else miught find it useful. http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/D6A94D6B2F7DA99186256A7F0 0747CC9 Good luck. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31484; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 10 Apr 2002 21:33:53 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:33:53 -0700 Subject: jamman/stellac vs. repeater From: Ben Furstenberg To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry this might be old and boring topic but if anyone cares to contrast and compare the Jamman maybe with the Stellac ROM upgrade vs. the Electrix Repeater, I'd be grateful. Maybe there is something already written on this that I could be directed to. I have a JamMan. Haven't used it much, not sure why, some problems getting it to work with MIDI clock and general interface dissatisfaction. The Repeater seems more up my alley: better sound, storable loops, friendlier interface, etc. Before I get rid of the Jamman, is there any reason to hold onto it? Can it, with the Stellac ROM do particularly unique and special things? How much should I try to get for the JamPerson? Where is a good place to buy a Repeater at the best price? Sorry if this is a boring topic, but at least it isn't OT... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32188; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB4B11F.BFE24624@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:39:38 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_nPj6D.A.G2H.lELt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or, you could buy a Macintosh, and save yourself a lot of headaches. In case you've not noticed, Microsoft *is the evil empire*, so why not spend a little extra and get a Unix based OS and go with the Macintosh OSX. Sure, there isn't a lot of MIDI/Audio software that's written for it, but until then there's OS 9. I'm running MOTU's Digital Performer 3 on a G4 system that I picked up for $1100, and it's a dream. Because of my job, I work with Windows 98, 2000, XP, Mac OS 9 and 10.1. There's no doubt in my mind that the current Macintosh OS (OSX [or OS 10 as I like to say, not being Roman[) is by far the best. Mark CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > Find out what applications you want to use, and if they all run under XP, > choose windows XP as your operating system. You will get the best audio > performance from the XP OS. > > Suggested audio interface manufacturers: Aardvark, Frontier Design, ECHO, M > Audio. All are good choices. Select the card that offers the i/o choices > that best fit your needs. Optical, SPDIF, Unbalanced XLR, 1/4 inch, numbers > of I/O etc. > > Try to avoid a motherboard that has a modem or audio interface built into > the board. These tend to cause hardware conflicts. > > Dual processor systems are sweet. > > You can't go wrong with intel. If you are going to go with a fast AMD > processor, add extra cooling to your system. These tend to run hot and get > glitchy after long sessions if they overheat. > > Selecting a large case for your computer will ensure room for expansion, and > also improve airflow. > > I disapprove of pirating software. Copyright infringement is copyright > infringement weather it's music, software or any other type of intellectual > property. Why are you entitled to have people working for you with no > benefit to themselves? It's also a bad idea. Hackers sometimes introduce > viruses into cracked copies of software. > > Best regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dylan DeAnda [mailto:dylan@loudcloud.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > > If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to > look for in your future "Hog": > > If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of > processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. > > 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, > so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. > > You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will > allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. > > CDR is a must. > > Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the > rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times > manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky > applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use > "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt > printable sheets!" > > Make sure that your computer case has slots available for expansion of > devices, such as adding a sound card or i/o board, etc. > > Just think about what your system may look like in 2 years, and if you'll be > able to attain that with your current plan for a box. > > Good luck, > > D > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Mcallister [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:25 PM > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: O.T. Computers > > Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. > BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from > the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I > eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank > you all. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00878; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:51:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:51:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3CB4B11F.BFE24624@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:50:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 21:50:54.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA2238D0:01C1E0D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yah Saturn drivin' freaks...:> Question for the mac guys: If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never have it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? What would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive unit, considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of software will 'never go away'? The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best price/features deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, does Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > Or, you could buy a Macintosh, and save yourself a lot of headaches. In case > you've not noticed, Microsoft *is the evil empire*, so why not spend a little > extra and get a Unix based OS and go with the Macintosh OSX. Sure, there isn't > a lot of MIDI/Audio software that's written for it, but until then there's OS > 9. I'm running MOTU's Digital Performer 3 on a G4 system that I picked up for > $1100, and it's a dream. > > Because of my job, I work with Windows 98, 2000, XP, Mac OS 9 and 10.1. > There's no doubt in my mind that the current Macintosh OS (OSX [or OS 10 as I > like to say, not being Roman[) is by far the best. > > Mark > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > > > Find out what applications you want to use, and if they all run under XP, > > choose windows XP as your operating system. You will get the best audio > > performance from the XP OS. > > > > Suggested audio interface manufacturers: Aardvark, Frontier Design, ECHO, M > > Audio. All are good choices. Select the card that offers the i/o choices > > that best fit your needs. Optical, SPDIF, Unbalanced XLR, 1/4 inch, numbers > > of I/O etc. > > > > Try to avoid a motherboard that has a modem or audio interface built into > > the board. These tend to cause hardware conflicts. > > > > Dual processor systems are sweet. > > > > You can't go wrong with intel. If you are going to go with a fast AMD > > processor, add extra cooling to your system. These tend to run hot and get > > glitchy after long sessions if they overheat. > > > > Selecting a large case for your computer will ensure room for expansion, and > > also improve airflow. > > > > I disapprove of pirating software. Copyright infringement is copyright > > infringement weather it's music, software or any other type of intellectual > > property. Why are you entitled to have people working for you with no > > benefit to themselves? It's also a bad idea. Hackers sometimes introduce > > viruses into cracked copies of software. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dylan DeAnda [mailto:dylan@loudcloud.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:49 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > > > > If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to > > look for in your future "Hog": > > > > If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of > > processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. > > > > 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, > > so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. > > > > You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will > > allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. > > > > CDR is a must. > > > > Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the > > rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times > > manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky > > applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use > > "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt > > printable sheets!" > > > > Make sure that your computer case has slots available for expansion of > > devices, such as adding a sound card or i/o board, etc. > > > > Just think about what your system may look like in 2 years, and if you'll be > > able to attain that with your current plan for a box. > > > > Good luck, > > > > D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Mcallister [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:25 PM > > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: O.T. Computers > > > > Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. > > BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from > > the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I > > eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank > > you all. Bill/Las Vegas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00509; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:47:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:46:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "MICROSOFT IS THE EVIL EMPIRE" wha.wha.wha. Come on. Do you think that Apple would act any "different" if they were the ones on top? PCs give you more flexibility/customability in your choice of options. But if they are not configured correctly, they can give you a headache like Mark says. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Or, you could buy a Macintosh, and save yourself a lot of headaches. In case you've not noticed, Microsoft *is the evil empire*, so why not spend a little extra and get a Unix based OS and go with the Macintosh OSX. Sure, there isn't a lot of MIDI/Audio software that's written for it, but until then there's OS 9. I'm running MOTU's Digital Performer 3 on a G4 system that I picked up for $1100, and it's a dream. Because of my job, I work with Windows 98, 2000, XP, Mac OS 9 and 10.1. There's no doubt in my mind that the current Macintosh OS (OSX [or OS 10 as I like to say, not being Roman[) is by far the best. Mark CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > Find out what applications you want to use, and if they all run under XP, > choose windows XP as your operating system. You will get the best audio > performance from the XP OS. > > Suggested audio interface manufacturers: Aardvark, Frontier Design, ECHO, M > Audio. All are good choices. Select the card that offers the i/o choices > that best fit your needs. Optical, SPDIF, Unbalanced XLR, 1/4 inch, numbers > of I/O etc. > > Try to avoid a motherboard that has a modem or audio interface built into > the board. These tend to cause hardware conflicts. > > Dual processor systems are sweet. > > You can't go wrong with intel. If you are going to go with a fast AMD > processor, add extra cooling to your system. These tend to run hot and get > glitchy after long sessions if they overheat. > > Selecting a large case for your computer will ensure room for expansion, and > also improve airflow. > > I disapprove of pirating software. Copyright infringement is copyright > infringement weather it's music, software or any other type of intellectual > property. Why are you entitled to have people working for you with no > benefit to themselves? It's also a bad idea. Hackers sometimes introduce > viruses into cracked copies of software. > > Best regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dylan DeAnda [mailto:dylan@loudcloud.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > > If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to > look for in your future "Hog": > > If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of > processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. > > 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, > so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. > > You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will > allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. > > CDR is a must. > > Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the > rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times > manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky > applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use > "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt > printable sheets!" > > Make sure that your computer case has slots available for expansion of > devices, such as adding a sound card or i/o board, etc. > > Just think about what your system may look like in 2 years, and if you'll be > able to attain that with your current plan for a box. > > Good luck, > > D > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Mcallister [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:25 PM > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: O.T. Computers > > Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. > BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from > the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I > eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank > you all. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:56:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01538; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:55:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:55:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:54:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <0QlfPD.A.lX.9SLt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many Ayn Rand books... -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Yah Saturn drivin' freaks...:> Question for the mac guys: If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never have it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? What would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive unit, considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of software will 'never go away'? The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best price/features deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, does Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > Or, you could buy a Macintosh, and save yourself a lot of headaches. In case > you've not noticed, Microsoft *is the evil empire*, so why not spend a little > extra and get a Unix based OS and go with the Macintosh OSX. Sure, there isn't > a lot of MIDI/Audio software that's written for it, but until then there's OS > 9. I'm running MOTU's Digital Performer 3 on a G4 system that I picked up for > $1100, and it's a dream. > > Because of my job, I work with Windows 98, 2000, XP, Mac OS 9 and 10.1. > There's no doubt in my mind that the current Macintosh OS (OSX [or OS 10 as I > like to say, not being Roman[) is by far the best. > > Mark > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > > > Find out what applications you want to use, and if they all run under XP, > > choose windows XP as your operating system. You will get the best audio > > performance from the XP OS. > > > > Suggested audio interface manufacturers: Aardvark, Frontier Design, ECHO, M > > Audio. All are good choices. Select the card that offers the i/o choices > > that best fit your needs. Optical, SPDIF, Unbalanced XLR, 1/4 inch, numbers > > of I/O etc. > > > > Try to avoid a motherboard that has a modem or audio interface built into > > the board. These tend to cause hardware conflicts. > > > > Dual processor systems are sweet. > > > > You can't go wrong with intel. If you are going to go with a fast AMD > > processor, add extra cooling to your system. These tend to run hot and get > > glitchy after long sessions if they overheat. > > > > Selecting a large case for your computer will ensure room for expansion, and > > also improve airflow. > > > > I disapprove of pirating software. Copyright infringement is copyright > > infringement weather it's music, software or any other type of intellectual > > property. Why are you entitled to have people working for you with no > > benefit to themselves? It's also a bad idea. Hackers sometimes introduce > > viruses into cracked copies of software. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dylan DeAnda [mailto:dylan@loudcloud.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:49 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > > > > If you want to use it for all things musical, here are some highlights to > > look for in your future "Hog": > > > > If you're doing digital recording, editing, you'll want a hefty amount of > > processor power, what's hefty? anything over 1GHz. > > > > 1GHz of RAM should cost you around 75-100 bucks, a mere pittance these days, > > so load it up with RAM, you can never be too thin or have too much RAM. > > > > You'll also want a fast disk, preferrably SCSI 10,000RPM disks, this will > > allow you fast reads and writes to all of that good musical data. > > > > CDR is a must. > > > > Go stripped down on the applications that it comes with, get an OS, the > > rest you can either download, pirate or purchase. A lot of times > > manufacturers (like compaq) load these machines with 100's of funky > > applications that sound neat on the showroom floor, but you'll never use > > "Ultra-Low-Fat-Magic-Colored-Disco-Roap-Map-Maker, with the iron-on T-shirt > > printable sheets!" > > > > Make sure that your computer case has slots available for expansion of > > devices, such as adding a sound card or i/o board, etc. > > > > Just think about what your system may look like in 2 years, and if you'll be > > able to attain that with your current plan for a box. > > > > Good luck, > > > > D > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Mcallister [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:25 PM > > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: O.T. Computers > > > > Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. > > BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from > > the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I > > eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank > > you all. Bill/Las Vegas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 17:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01825; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:48:16 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think we've pretty much defined the neophyte computer-user dilemma: Mac or PC? I don't want to instigate the customary debate, and I caution others to refrain. I do want to suggest that the choice between the two platform should be based, not on which is "better," but on other criteria. One thing to consider is whether there are any particular pieces of software that you really, really want to work with. For example, I lot of PC users really love Acid, and this is ample reason for them to use a PC. Similarly, a lot of Mac users are totally immersed in Max/MSP programming, so there is no reason to consider a PC. However, in each of these cases there might be, if not a direct equivalent, at least a comparable program that runs under the other operating system. Mac users have Live for loop-based composition and performance. PC users have PD for interactivity. So check out the tools and the alternatives before committing to a platform. Another consideration is your social/technical support system. What are your friends using? Are they happy with their computing environment? Do you want to easily exchange files with them? You might be best served by going along with the crowd, as long as the crowd is going someplace you also want to go. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:03:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03524; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:00:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well put! -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers I think we've pretty much defined the neophyte computer-user dilemma: Mac or PC? I don't want to instigate the customary debate, and I caution others to refrain. I do want to suggest that the choice between the two platform should be based, not on which is "better," but on other criteria. One thing to consider is whether there are any particular pieces of software that you really, really want to work with. For example, I lot of PC users really love Acid, and this is ample reason for them to use a PC. Similarly, a lot of Mac users are totally immersed in Max/MSP programming, so there is no reason to consider a PC. However, in each of these cases there might be, if not a direct equivalent, at least a comparable program that runs under the other operating system. Mac users have Live for loop-based composition and performance. PC users have PD for interactivity. So check out the tools and the alternatives before committing to a platform. Another consideration is your social/technical support system. What are your friends using? Are they happy with their computing environment? Do you want to easily exchange files with them? You might be best served by going along with the crowd, as long as the crowd is going someplace you also want to go. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04219; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:08:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:08:10 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: O.T. Computers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03a901c1e0dc$33b8f1b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm glad i'm not the only one... >... > ... That whole "evil empire" > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many Ayn > Rand books... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04733; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:11:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 22:11:03.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AEB66B0:01C1E0DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Another consideration is your social/technical support system. What > are your friends using? Are they happy with their computing > environment? Do you want to easily exchange files with them? You > might be best served by going along with the crowd, as long as the > crowd is going someplace you also want to go. I thoroughly agree. Get what your friends and musical conspirators have. Not only will they tease you less, but they will be able to help you fix stuff, and help you out. As long as you don't get a mac :> > However, in each of these cases there might be, if not a direct > equivalent, at least a comparable program that runs under the other > operating system. Mac users have Live for loop-based composition and > performance. PC users have PD for interactivity. So check out the > tools and the alternatives before committing to a platform. > PC users also have Live. I wouldn't necessarily compare it to ACID completely - it's cooler. There are a number of programs on each to do the beat stretching thing, and pretty much every technology will be on both within six months, if it's particularly special. But my real question: What's PD, and where can I get it? :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05732; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:17:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:09:36 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3CB4B11F.BFE24624@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:50 PM -0700 4/10/02, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >Yah Saturn drivin' freaks...:> I drive an '86 Volvo. >Question for the mac guys: > >If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never have >it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? What >would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive unit, >considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of software >will 'never go away'? If you buy a newer Mac you can always have multiple boot drives and take advantage of both OS X and the better legacy stuff. There are older G4s selling in the neighborhood of $1000 and G3s going for $700-800. OS X is fine and dandy, but OS 9 is perfectly suitable for a variety of music applications (and also remember that not all software is OS X compatibly anyway). It's what I'm using on a G4/500 and I'm not complaining. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:25:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06206; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB4B94B.53B6F0DA@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:14:35 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: O.T. Computers References: <200204102153.RAA01103@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill- You might want to check these guys out: http://www.carillonusa.com They're PCs built for audio, and you can buy them pre-configured for a number of audio applications, without all of the cute extras of other pre-built systems. The nice thing is, you won't have to figure out which tiny check box is screwing up your musical experience. I have a friend (some of you may know him as Ryan, as the soundman from Loopstock) who puts together audio PC systems as a side-job, and he says that he'll never build another PC from scratch now that these are available. I just ordered the Barebones Two model :) There's a 4-week lead time, BTW. -Hans P.S. SCSI drive are really loud - I'd stay away. > Subject: O.T. Computers > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. > BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from > the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I > eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank > you all. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:27:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07362; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:26:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:26:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB4BBFF.C8F84BBF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:26:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: The cheapest desktop is the iMac, with a price range of $1,399 > through $1,899. The bottom of the line has a CD-RW drive, the > mid-price has a Combo Drive, and the top has a SuperDrive > (CD-RW/DVD-R). The iMac has no expansion slots for sound cards, so if > you're happy with a USB or FireWire audio interface this could be an > ideal model for music production. It's also fairly compact, so it > could be taken out on gigs as well. > > Desktop tower Macs range from $1,599 to $3,849, plus the cost of a > monitor. The cheapest one has a CD-RW and the others have > SuperDrives. They all have PCI slots for sound and video cards. The > top models have dual 1GHz processors, but all of them are fast. > If you don't need the latest, greatest, you can save a couple of hundred dollars and still have a nice machine: http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g3/g4/imac/wag101/wag10001/ G4s starting at $1049 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07716; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:29:32 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: <3CB4B94B.53B6F0DA@ernieball.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://www.carillonusa.com > > They're PCs built for audio, and you can buy them pre-configured for a > number of audio applications, without all of the cute extras of other > pre-built systems. The nice thing is, you won't have to figure out > which tiny check box is screwing up your musical experience. I have heard a number of great reviews and have had friends buy with superlative results - BTO music PCs from Www.soundchaser.com Also really good prices on most things, give Mikey a call. I'm actually thinking about getting a PC too (I work as a Mac music studio tech, hence the "actually").I have started hearing pretty good reports on the ASUS P4B266-E motherboard.Any takers? How about a daredevil's homemade PC shopping list? L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07913; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:30:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:30:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200204102153.RAA01103@hemlock.violacea.com> <3CB4B94B.53B6F0DA@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:29:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 22:29:50.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AAF4B60:01C1E0DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been totally drooling over those boxes, but there are >so< expensive for what you get. The level III barebones unit - the only one that has a P4 with non-PC133 ram is $2,100, with no soundcard, running windows 98(!!). That's macintosh pricing!! For that price, you could buy a the same pc as a kit, and one of those silent enclosures for all your noisy gear. Hmmm.... bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > Hi Bill- > > You might want to check these guys out: > > http://www.carillonusa.com > > They're PCs built for audio, and you can buy them pre-configured for a > number of audio applications, without all of the cute extras of other > pre-built systems. The nice thing is, you won't have to figure out > which tiny check box is screwing up your musical experience. > > I have a friend (some of you may know him as Ryan, as the soundman from > Loopstock) who puts together audio PC systems as a side-job, and he says > that he'll never build another PC from scratch now that these are > available. > > I just ordered the Barebones Two model :) There's a 4-week lead time, > BTW. > > -Hans > > P.S. SCSI drive are really loud - I'd stay away. > > > > Subject: O.T. Computers > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) > > From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) > > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. > > BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from > > the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I > > eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank > > you all. Bill/Las Vegas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08894; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:41:50 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: <3CB4BBFF.C8F84BBF@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/10/02 3:26 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > If you don't need the latest, greatest, you can save a couple of hundred > dollars and still have a nice machine: > > http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g3/g4/imac/wag101/wag1000 > 1/ > I've had a couple of disasters from these guys, clients who bought from them and then ended up in trouble, Smalldog were sourcing their cheap macs from factories in weird parts of the world, and they only ran on the "z" system and had problems with cheap parts, I'm staying away. Mac users are notoriously bleeding edge anyway, all you have to do to get a cheap mac is wait until the day after they announce a new one and then get on Ebay or go to outpost.com While I remember, there are a bunch of really good articles on prorec.com about building your own audio PCDAW, I think under the title "roll your own" Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:48:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09706; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:44:48 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: <3CB4BBFF.C8F84BBF@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> <3CB4BBFF.C8F84BBF@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:26 PM -0700 4/10/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >If you don't need the latest, greatest, you can save a couple of hundred >dollars and still have a nice machine: > >http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/Power+Macintosh/g3/g4/imac/wag101/wag10001/ > I recently bought a hard drive from these folks. Nice outfit. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11213; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:54:48 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:11 PM -0700 4/10/02, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >But my real question: What's PD, and where can I get it? :> From the README file: >This is the README file for Pd, a free real-time computer music >software package resembling Max. You can get Pd for IRIX, NT, or >Linux. Some installation instructions follow for the three >platforms, but see also the HTML DOCUMENTATION >(doc/1.manual/index.htm in the Pd distribution). You can get Pd >from this site: http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html The Windows download link is: http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Software/pd-0.34-4.msw.zip -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 18:58:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11017; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:56:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:56:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c1e0e2$fd4f7c00$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <14945-3CB49FAE-581@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:56:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Save a grand, use last years models! I use a Pentium III 450Mhz that was assembled for about $1000 two years ago including a 20GB drive and the Live! soundcard. I run Win98 on it. I would imagine you could put together such a system for around $500 now. I run Cakewalk Sonar and CoolEdit 2000 for audio stuff and am still quite happy with the system. Here's a good place to compare prices http://www.pricewatch.com -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 19:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15337; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:42:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:42:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB4CDA7.8A53A2B3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:41:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > In support of the PC platform: > > 1. You can get a really powerful PC for a fraction of the cost of a powerful > Mac. Yes, it is true that Wintel boxes are cheaper, but the time you spend trying to get them to work correctly will eat up that extra $250 in no time. BTW, you can't measure mhz between platforms, as Macs use a RISK processor. I've raced my friends 1 gighz PC compressing an .aif file into an .mp3 and my 400 mhz Mac was nearly the same. > > > 2. PC's have the lion share of the marketplace. Most software developers > now develop their products for the PC first, and then mac (if ever). that's just not true. Almost all pro level software exists for both platforms, and most are already out for OSX. Music companies are a bit behind, but there's Deck and MOTU has committed to an OSX version of Digital Performer out later this year. > > > 3. Cakewalk software is only available for the PC :) Unless you consider Metro the Macintosh audio/midi program that Cakewalk distributes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > At 1:25 PM -0700 4/10/02, William Mcallister wrote: > >Whats the best bang for the buck? I eventually want to use it for > >recording and all things musical. > > I'm a Macintosh partisan and will recommend one. What's your budget? > Do you need a portable to take on gigs, or will a desktop model with > slots be more to the point? > > An iBook with an external audio convertor might be adequate. The list > price range for an iBook is $1,199 to $1,799. The models with Combo > Drives (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) are $1,499 and $1,799, the more expensive > having a larger screen. > > The G4 PowerBook is a lot more powerful and consequently more > expensive, with a price range of $2,299 to $3,699. All three models > have Combo Drives. > > The cheapest desktop is the iMac, with a price range of $1,399 > through $1,899. The bottom of the line has a CD-RW drive, the > mid-price has a Combo Drive, and the top has a SuperDrive > (CD-RW/DVD-R). The iMac has no expansion slots for sound cards, so if > you're happy with a USB or FireWire audio interface this could be an > ideal model for music production. It's also fairly compact, so it > could be taken out on gigs as well. > > Desktop tower Macs range from $1,599 to $3,849, plus the cost of a > monitor. The cheapest one has a CD-RW and the others have > SuperDrives. They all have PCI slots for sound and video cards. The > top models have dual 1GHz processors, but all of them are fast. > > Whichever model you decide on, you'll need an audio interface of some > kind. There are four types, depending on how you want to connect them > to the computer: USB, FireWire, PCMCIA, or PCI. All Mac models have > USB and FireWire. The laptop models have PCMCIA and the desktop > towers have PCI. Depending on your audio I/O needs you can spend > under $50 or over $50,000 on a system. You can get and 8-channel > FireWire interface for under $1000 and a 2-channel USB interface for > under $500. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 19:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15701; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:44:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:44:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: myoder@dusty.tamiu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410110149.04e91680@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410110149.04e91680@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:43:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Yoder Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My sincere thanks to all for the input thus far. Kim is right: I had thought about the CD player solution, but that would involve using my hands too much. What I like about the Line 6 and Boss loopers is that both hands can stay on the fretless bass and the feet operate the looper. Furthermore, it seems intuitively that a CD player would be harder to quickly change the number of times the loops would be played (I guess "last-minute arranging" is a good term for that?). A sequencer would, I believe, solve that sort of thing. From the hype, these Yamaha/Korg/Boss "groove boxes" are designed to loop samples. This seems to be what I desire most. My big concern is memory, followed by editing capabilities (how to "massage" each loop to be stored so that it sounds like the original loop produced in the Line 6 or Boss loopers.) But from what y'all are saying, it sounds like I need to find out more about the Repeater, because if I'm understanding it correctly, it seems to be a looper with a big-ass memory (with the 128 meg storage card), providing the capability to create loops on that unit in the first place, then store and recall the loops for later use. If what Kim says is correct about the half-second pause, however, the Repeater would be less appealing. From the "Tools of the Trade" section of the LD home site, there seem to be pros and cons that I need to better understand. Thus, more homework is in order. This leaves me with one question. . . .I really am not very elctronic/computer savvy: Is 128 megs on one machine the same thing as 128 megs on another, in terms of length of storage time at a given sampling rate? For example, the Boss SP505 can take a 128 meg card. Would that hold roughly the same length of sampling/looping time as the Repeater with 128 meg card? Thanks again. Michael >At 10:03 AM 4/10/2002, you wrote: >>Or maybe his reasoning is the ability to select and start loops >>quickly, without a pause, without changing media. If so, the Repeater >>would rectify that. It'd also add the ability to change the tempo & >>pitch of the saved loops on the fly. > >Unlike a sampler, when you trigger loops on the Repeater there is >about a half second pause before it plays the loop. An actual >sampler is a better choice if you want to be triggering different >prerecorded loops live from midi or a sequencer. I think all the >ones Michael mentioned have the same tempo and pitch change features >for loops that Repeater has. > >Also, he said he wanted a sequencer built in, which neither a cd >player nor the repeater have. > > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies Texas A&M International University Department of Social Sciences 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 19:47:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16017; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:46:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:46:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB4CEA7.11F1D53F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:45:38 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jamman/stellac vs. repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, other than the fact that the JamMan can't be totally controlled via it's front faceplate (the only way to get a loop to fade is via a midi message) I always thought the interface was simple and easy to use. Never had a problem getting it to synch to midi either, although I'd get a "click" at the start of a loop sometimes, but usually not, or not noticeable. I've been thinking of eBaying my JamMan, but I keep thinking it's worth hanging onto for a second loop rig for small/short gigs, like open mic nights. I do know that I do not use it since I purchased the Repeater though.... Mark Ben Furstenberg wrote: > I'm sorry this might be old and boring topic but if anyone cares to contrast > and compare the Jamman maybe with the Stellac ROM upgrade vs. the Electrix > Repeater, I'd be grateful. Maybe there is something already written on this > that I could be directed to. > > I have a JamMan. Haven't used it much, not sure why, some problems getting > it to work with MIDI clock and general interface dissatisfaction. The > Repeater seems more up my alley: better sound, storable loops, friendlier > interface, etc. > > Before I get rid of the Jamman, is there any reason to hold onto it? Can > it, with the Stellac ROM do particularly unique and special things? > > How much should I try to get for the JamPerson? Where is a good place to > buy a Repeater at the best price? > > Sorry if this is a boring topic, but at least it isn't OT... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16913; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:58:21 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying Apple is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your PC you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many Ayn > Rand books... > and for this question... > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never have > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? What > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive unit, > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of software > will 'never go away'? > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best price/features > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, does > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was the best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER write an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give up another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to DV, since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at work. So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot into OS 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's still very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a used high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:13:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19160; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:11:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 00:11:14.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[6479F630:01C1E0ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wouldn't worry too much about that. It's not a 'feature' that can last very long since it's ridiculous, and it can already be disabled, with help from some of those 'online support groups' bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying Apple > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your PC > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many Ayn > > Rand books... > > > > and for this question... > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never have > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? What > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive unit, > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of software > > will 'never go away'? > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best price/features > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, does > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was the > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER write > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give up > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to DV, > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at work. > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot into OS > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's still > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a used > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19807; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:16:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:16:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:09:40 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: O.T. Computers In-reply-to: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:58 PM -0700 4/10/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. http://www.well.com/user/cynsa/engine.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:19:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19365; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:06:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:54 PM -0400 4/10/02, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: >...maybe I've read one to many Ayn Rand books... Ah... you've read one, then? -C -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:19:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20188; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:18:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.35.244.101] From: "Andrew Altman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jamman/stellac vs. repeater Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:17:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 00:17:53.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[52DA96E0:01C1E0EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This might be a dumb question, but what is the Stellac ROM upgrade? >From: Ben Furstenberg >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: jamman/stellac vs. repeater >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:33:53 -0700 > >I'm sorry this might be old and boring topic but if anyone cares to >contrast >and compare the Jamman maybe with the Stellac ROM upgrade vs. the Electrix >Repeater, I'd be grateful. Maybe there is something already written on >this >that I could be directed to. > >I have a JamMan. Haven't used it much, not sure why, some problems getting >it to work with MIDI clock and general interface dissatisfaction. The >Repeater seems more up my alley: better sound, storable loops, friendlier >interface, etc. > >Before I get rid of the Jamman, is there any reason to hold onto it? Can >it, with the Stellac ROM do particularly unique and special things? > >How much should I try to get for the JamPerson? Where is a good place to >buy a Repeater at the best price? > >Sorry if this is a boring topic, but at least it isn't OT... > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:23:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20666; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:22:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:22:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CACF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:21:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E0EE.CACA5320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E0EE.CACA5320 Content-Type: text/plain really great stig -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers At 4:58 PM -0700 4/10/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. http://www.well.com/user/cynsa/engine.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E0EE.CACA5320 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: O.T. Computers

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E0EE.CACA5320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:23:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20869; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:22:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410110149.04e91680@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:22:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 00:22:00.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5FFA820:01C1E0EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My sincere thanks to all for the input thus far. > > Kim is right: I had thought about the CD player solution, but that > would involve using my hands too much. What I like about the Line 6 > and Boss loopers is that both hands can stay on the fretless bass and > the feet operate the looper. Furthermore, it seems intuitively that a > CD player would be harder to quickly change the number of times the > loops would be played (I guess "last-minute arranging" is a good term > for that?). A sequencer would, I believe, solve that sort of thing. I have mine on a volume pedal, so I can fade it in and out during performance. Yes, I have to use my hands to switch tracks, but with the loopers going, it's not a problem so far. Then again, I have a lot of other button pushing going on anyway. > > From the hype, these Yamaha/Korg/Boss "groove boxes" are designed to > loop samples. This seems to be what I desire most. My big concern > is memory, followed by editing capabilities (how to "massage" each > loop to be stored so that it sounds like the original loop produced > in the Line 6 or Boss loopers.) Actually, the groove boxes loop sequences not samples. I have the emu xl-7 (the other button pushing I refered to). I'd stay away from the Yamaha sampler/sequencers. The SCSI bus for loading samples is unusably slow. A band I know who are using one can only us it for every other song, while it loads the next set of loops (!). The Roland boxes have the signature Roland "bedroom tone" (ie sounds like a kiddie in his bedroom :>) though I've heard some really nice 'squelchy FM' sounds being made from them, good for IDM stuff. The Yamaha rm1x has some pretty nice live sequencing stuff I've heard, but the sounds are supposed to be rather naff. The emu sounds are >really< nice, but the sequencer isn't a full featured. Korg doesn't have a sequensizer. > > But from what y'all are saying, it sounds like I need to find out > more about the Repeater, because if I'm understanding it correctly, > it seems to be a looper with a big-ass memory (with the 128 meg > storage card), providing the capability to create loops on that unit > in the first place, then store and recall the loops for later use. If > what Kim says is correct about the half-second pause, however, the > Repeater would be less appealing. From the "Tools of the Trade" > section of the LD home site, there seem to be pros and cons that I > need to better understand. Thus, more homework is in order. It doesn't to pause if it's already looping - just waits for the end of the bar. > > This leaves me with one question. . . .I really am not very > elctronic/computer savvy: Is 128 megs on one machine the same thing > as 128 megs on another, in terms of length of storage time at a given > sampling rate? For example, the Boss SP505 can take a 128 meg card. > Would that hold roughly the same length of sampling/looping time as > the Repeater with 128 meg card? Yes. biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 20:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21385; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:26:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haha :) Two books actually, and I particularly found the Fountainhead to be inspiring. Well, except for the ending. I don't think that I've ever found a character in a book that I have so identified with on an aesthetic level than Howard Roark, the Architect and main character of the Fountainhead. Rand's work can be misappropriated by people to justify poor behavior, but I think that those individuals really miss the boat on her philosophy. Some of the most driven artists I know site those books as influences and that's how I stumbled upon them. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Muir [mailto:cbm@well.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers At 5:54 PM -0400 4/10/02, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: >...maybe I've read one to many Ayn Rand books... Ah... you've read one, then? -C -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 21:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27244; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c1e0f7$0d1d9130$4c35230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410110149.04e91680@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:20:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com - memory utilization of a given amount of ram should be physically equivalent on different platforms, given the same same sample resolution (i.e. 16-bit, 44.1khz). caveats for systems that use portions of this storage space for meta data, or any programatic method for compressing audio. - there's actually 8mb of ram built into the repeater. i'm using a 256mb flash card from simpletech as additional storage on the repeater with no tragic glitches resulting from the media. it may support as much ram as 512, if i'm not mistaken. media access latency does appears to be a factor in the repeater's 'drag', and i've been attempting to compensate for the repeater's latency on a continuing basis. i've recently been getting more accurate loop start/stop times whilst recording hand drums after plugging away for a while, and using the click *shudder*, i wish the click could send a midi signal or use it's own channel, but ob la di. we adapt by nature i guess. i haven't eliminated unintentional blarfs entirely, but i see the prospect of minimizing them. btw, is anyone aware of a midi string that will do a copy loop function? but i degress ... um, short answer for the boss vs. repeater is close enough. give or take a few bytes for meta data. hmmm, i know a tinker/carpenter guy who's first thought would probably be to rig a way to operate a cd player using foot switches, fine carved wood, and infra-red signals (aha! now i'll have to call him and tell him about this just to get him actually considering it). hmmm, maybe take a tip from the dj's and use two cd players and a crossfade pedal to avoid track seek latency and have layering. ;-) now I'M considering it ... nawwwww. wait ..... nawwwww. oooo, there's those cd dj thingines. you could be shwinging little plastic disks with your fingtips, cross fading with one foot and filtering with the other. nawwww... looping live material is jsut really fun and wacky. but infra-red switching now, hmmm. less wires, still only light speed, watch out for mirrored pants, mic stands, disco balls on the floor, and delinquents with infra-red pens and just enough wit to be challenging. hmmmm ... do de do, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Yoder" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops > My sincere thanks to all for the input thus far. > > Kim is right: I had thought about the CD player solution, but that > would involve using my hands too much. What I like about the Line 6 > and Boss loopers is that both hands can stay on the fretless bass and > the feet operate the looper. Furthermore, it seems intuitively that a > CD player would be harder to quickly change the number of times the > loops would be played (I guess "last-minute arranging" is a good term > for that?). A sequencer would, I believe, solve that sort of thing. > > From the hype, these Yamaha/Korg/Boss "groove boxes" are designed to > loop samples. This seems to be what I desire most. My big concern > is memory, followed by editing capabilities (how to "massage" each > loop to be stored so that it sounds like the original loop produced > in the Line 6 or Boss loopers.) > > But from what y'all are saying, it sounds like I need to find out > more about the Repeater, because if I'm understanding it correctly, > it seems to be a looper with a big-ass memory (with the 128 meg > storage card), providing the capability to create loops on that unit > in the first place, then store and recall the loops for later use. If > what Kim says is correct about the half-second pause, however, the > Repeater would be less appealing. From the "Tools of the Trade" > section of the LD home site, there seem to be pros and cons that I > need to better understand. Thus, more homework is in order. > > This leaves me with one question. . . .I really am not very > elctronic/computer savvy: Is 128 megs on one machine the same thing > as 128 megs on another, in terms of length of storage time at a given > sampling rate? For example, the Boss SP505 can take a 128 meg card. > Would that hold roughly the same length of sampling/looping time as > the Repeater with 128 meg card? > > Thanks again. > > Michael > > > > >At 10:03 AM 4/10/2002, you wrote: > >>Or maybe his reasoning is the ability to select and start loops > >>quickly, without a pause, without changing media. If so, the Repeater > >>would rectify that. It'd also add the ability to change the tempo & > >>pitch of the saved loops on the fly. > > > >Unlike a sampler, when you trigger loops on the Repeater there is > >about a half second pause before it plays the loop. An actual > >sampler is a better choice if you want to be triggering different > >prerecorded loops live from midi or a sequencer. I think all the > >ones Michael mentioned have the same tempo and pitch change features > >for loops that Repeater has. > > > >Also, he said he wanted a sequencer built in, which neither a cd > >player nor the repeater have. > > > > > >kim > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ _______ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > Department of Social Sciences > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 > http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 22:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00838; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.25b0ee8f.29e64c90@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:18:56 EDT Subject: axlotl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <9AIkXB.A.TK.1KPt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry about my previous mis-spelling (axlotal).....i really wasnt thinking of the little beastie (axolotal) actually.....what i had in mind (and isnt it interesting that the bushpuppet came down on cloning today) were the axlotal tanks used by the bene tleilax to grow their clones and golahs etc.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 10 23:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07117; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:20:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:20:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <9.263e7ad2.29e65ac0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:19:28 EDT Subject: Accu Groove To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.263e7ad2.29e65ac0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.263e7ad2.29e65ac0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received my pair of Accu Groove El Whappos today! WOW! It's like being able to see with your ears! I hooked up my drum machine and just tried to listen... At first I was like... "Where is this high end I love and expect and was told was there"? My ears quickly adjusted... I have been classically conditioned to think that if I don't hear hiss, then there is no high end... I could not believe the crystal clear bell tone harmonics were there without that hiss! It was like the first time you get to have sex without a condom! I hooked the drum machine back up so I could again concentrate and then I had my mind really blown! I was listening and thinking ... What the heck? The 12" is way too prominent! All of a sudden, a low frequency hip hop kick drum dropped through and I could audibly see that the frequencies were directed to certain speakers. So, the 12" wasn't annoying it was just that the particular drum seemed monotonous and horribly e q Ed due to the former compensation I must have had to do to make it sound good through those "OTHER" guys speakers... Now, one more thing ... This system defies "HEADROOM" there is no need for the word and it means nothing when it comes to my pair of Accu Groove "El Whappos"! i It would be a waste of time to speak of. It would be like trying or caring how far across the universe is! And even better ... the customer service at Accu Groove is the same way! Oh yah, these definitely open up the clarity of hearing my low F# on my NINE string bass! (23 Hertz) What an amazing day! I feel like a blind person regaining their vision only to find a spectacular landscape before them! And I haven't even run my bass through a pre-amp YET! You gotta go take a look at these cabs @ www.accugroove.com (You'll find me in the links section there as well!) I would strongly suggest you RUN, don't walk, to get a chance to hear yourself play through these cabs! And let me just say, "you get what you pay for!" mp3.com loopers please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to: looping9string@aol.com for: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html --part1_9.263e7ad2.29e65ac0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received my pair of Accu Groove El Whappos today!

WOW! It's like being able to see with your ears!

I hooked up my drum machine and just tried to listen...

At first I was like...

"Where is this high end I love and expect and was told was there"?

My ears quickly adjusted...

I have been classically conditioned to think that if I don't hear hiss, then there is no high end...

I could not believe the crystal clear bell tone harmonics were there without that hiss!

It was like the first time you get to have sex without a condom!

I hooked the drum machine back up so I could again concentrate and then I had my mind really blown!

I was listening and thinking ...

What the heck?

The 12" is way too prominent!

All of a sudden, a low frequency hip hop kick drum dropped through and I could audibly see that the frequencies were directed to certain speakers.

So, the 12" wasn't annoying it was just that the particular drum seemed monotonous and horribly e q Ed due to the former compensation I must have had to do to make it sound good through those "OTHER" guys speakers...

Now, one more thing ... This system defies "HEADROOM" there is no need for the word and it means nothing when it comes to my pair of Accu Groove "El Whappos"! i

It would be a waste of time to speak of.

It would be like trying or caring how far across the universe is!

And even better ... the customer service at Accu Groove is the same way!

Oh yah, these definitely open up the clarity of hearing my low F# on my NINE string bass! (23 Hertz)

What an amazing day!

I feel like a blind person regaining their vision only to find a spectacular landscape before them!

And I haven't even run my bass through a pre-amp YET!

You gotta go take a look at these cabs @ www.accugroove.com (You'll find me in the links section there as well!) I would strongly suggest you RUN, don't walk, to get a chance to hear yourself play through these cabs!

And let me just say, "you get what you pay for!"

mp3.com loopers please submit your artist name and first choice of your available works to:
looping9string@aol.com
for:
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/283/loopersdelight.html


--part1_9.263e7ad2.29e65ac0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 01:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18475; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:25:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:24:59 EDT Subject: Re: O.T. Computers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another factor in buying a new computer is whether the motherboard will support a more powerful processor when you want to upgrade. For instance, you could put together a computer with a 1.8 GHz processor ($198.00) now, and upgrade to a 2.2 GHz ($560.00) processor later (when the price comes down) if the Motherboard supports it. I know that Gateway is offering a computer with a 2.4GHz processor now. I'm sure a 3GHz processor is just around the corner. If you decide to go with a PC, take a look at mwave.com. Ultra ATA 7200rpm drives have worked fine for me. I know that SCSI offers 10,000 and 15,000rpm, but I don't think that you will need it. There are a few PC motherboards that offer USB2.0 ports now. I don't know if anyone has released any USB2.0 audio devices yet though. However, when they are released you may wish that you had those USB2.0 ports. I am not sure about Firewire on PC motherboards. All of the PC's that I have seen with Firewire have PCI Firewire cards installed. BTW, If you are planning to use Max/MSP, the wait for a PC version might actually be over this fall. I just got an email from Cycling'74 yesterday. They said that they were planning to release the PC versions in October of 2002. Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 01:30:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18977; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c1e119$9d842640$eb64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200204101950.PAA17908@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: An Oxymoron Replies Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:27:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a good human drummer (who is also a looper) and what I have found is that the only way realistically link your repeater and your drummer is to have your drummer LEARN how to play to loops. The programs that convert audio signals to midi work great if you have a four on the floor approach but suck when anything syncopated is thrown in the mix................at least that has been my experience. Learning how to play to loops in real time is a minor artform and I would be happy to address this issue (maybe in a thread) at some point a little later when I am not so overwhelmed with gigs and tour preparations (the next month or so of my life). Excellent monitoring seems to be an absolutely essential key!!!! A drummer who is not experienced with playing to click tracks, sequences and drum machines really owes it to themselves to learn how to do this. It actually took me dozens of hours of practising to get the hang of not only playing with a perfect click track but to also be able to play relaxedly and fluidly with good feel while doing so. Playing to loops that have human inconsistencies in them (like ALL of them) is even more problematic. I can always tell that I am improvising with a sophisticated looping musician when they can play to what the loop IS , not to what the loop SHOULD BE. Steve Lawson really turned me onto the idea of playing really long loops that 'hint' at metricity and then memorizing the loops until one can play against them. Since getting turned on to this cool concept (I think he played one loop for 17 hours while he did e-mail and farted around his house until he had every 'event' of the loop memorized) I have been experimenting with the whole idea of stretching time within a fixed loop length. This is, of course, what happens when rhythms 'swing' or are stretched (the way, say, that Brazilian batucada rhythms are not perfectly symmetrical. At some point I'll post a couple of cool exercises to learn how to play these different feels and to come up with your own. later, yours, in rhythym...........................Rick 'Oxymoron' Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 02:36:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25076; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015401c1e121$89d829e0$eb64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200204101719.NAA01908@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:24:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <1GivmD.A.KHG.swSt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear James, Thanks for the erudition about the role of violin in both north and south indian music. I found it fascinating and learned a few things. Not to be a stickler but you wrote: "the violin is tuned openly in fifths (e.g., d-a-d-a)" I believe this is an open D tuning and NOT a tuning in fifths. Tuning in fifths would be d-a-e-c wouldn't it? I know that in western classical music the violin IS tuned in fifths. Is the fifths tuning correct for indian music or is it d-a-d-a? yours, not an expert, but a good editor, :-) rick walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 02:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26575; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:35:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:34:57 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) In-reply-to: <015401c1e121$89d829e0$eb64f93f@global> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200204101719.NAA01908@hemlock.violacea.com> <015401c1e121$89d829e0$eb64f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:24 PM -0700 4/10/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >I believe this is an open D tuning and NOT a tuning in fifths. Tuning in >fifths would be d-a-e-c wouldn't it? Standard violin tuning is G-D-A-E. Viola and cello are C-G-D-A. 5-string electric violins cover both viola and violin range C-G-D-A-E. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 02:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27304; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:45:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:43:53 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: axolotl In-reply-to: <9b.25b0ee8f.29e64c90@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <9b.25b0ee8f.29e64c90@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's another copy of "Developmental Biology of the Axolotl" on eBay if anyone's interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1529743989 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 04:11:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04385; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:09:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <198.52644b4.29e69e91@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:08:49 EDT Subject: Re: O.T. Computers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Whats the best bang for the buck? I Essentially last year's technology is the best b for b. Buy the latest gear, and you pay much more, then see it drop in value very fast. SCSI disks are supposed to be the best, but now the IDE disks are easily good enough, and are cheaper and more importantly quieter. Also, the faster the disk spins, the louder it is, and the "slower" Hard Drives these days are quite fast enough. (unless you want to record 24 tracks at once). ...but do get the largest capacity disk you can. Fast processors will help if you want to use a lot of FX plug-ins and Soft-Synths, otherwise anything will do. A lot of noise comes from the power supply fan, and the fan on the processor, (beware!) Noise is generally a problem, best to take it into consideration right from the start. Like the guys say, lots of RAM is good. Don't even bother checking out PC Multimedia speakers! ...and go to someone who can make up the machine to your spec. Preferably someone you can trust. Specify that you may need to add a second Hard drive later. hope this (in conjunction with the other posts) helps andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 05:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08410; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007901c1e119$9d842640$eb64f93f@global> References: <200204101950.PAA17908@hemlock.violacea.com> <007901c1e119$9d842640$eb64f93f@global> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:55:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: An Oxymoron Replies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The programs that convert audio signals to midi work great if you have a >four on the floor approach but suck when anything syncopated is thrown in >the mix................at least that has been my experience. The Repeater needs a parameter where you can select whether the tempo detector listens to L, R or Efx return, where we could connect the signal which is already looped or regular (record, bass drum...) while playing into the loop whatever we want. >Excellent monitoring seems to be an absolutely essential key!!!! yes, give the drummer headphones. He may not use them most of the time but when it becomes difficult (bad room, unclear loop) he has them arround the neck. >A drummer who is not experienced with playing to click tracks, sequences and >drum machines really owes it to themselves to learn how to do this. certainly true for professional musicians, but even those want to speed up sometimes and we dreamt that the Repeater would be able to follow this, but in practice its hard... >It actually took me dozens of hours of practising >to get the hang of not only playing with a perfect click track but to also >be able to play relaxedly and fluidly with good feel while doing so. >Playing to loops that have human inconsistencies in them (like ALL of them) >is even more problematic. I can always tell that I am improvising with a >sophisticated looping musician when they can play to what the loop >IS, not to what the loop SHOULD BE. thats a good one! Really, sometimes we can make the loop seem what it should be if we interprete acordingly arround it, but thats us amateurs ;-) >Steve Lawson really turned me onto the idea of playing really long loops >that 'hint' at metricity and then memorizing the loops until one can play >against them. Yes, I start with a balad like 30-50sec chord or mixed loop sometimes and then play along once or twice until I take the chance to record the bass line to it. Or I record a melody first because its less critical (easyer to correct "passing" tones ;-) >later, yours, in rhythym...........................Rick 'Oxymoron' Walker oh, you wrote this, I thought it was of vigurous content! Love Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 05:24:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11118; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c1e139$520f3b80$1e2e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:59:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying Apple > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your PC > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many Ayn > > Rand books... > > > > and for this question... > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never have > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? What > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive unit, > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of software > > will 'never go away'? > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best price/features > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, does > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was the > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER write > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give up > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to DV, > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at work. > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot into OS > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's still > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a used > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 09:19:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29499; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:18:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:18:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c1e15b$272208e0$38944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:16:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA29452 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick said: >Not to be a stickler but you wrote: >"the violin is tuned openly in fifths (e.g., d-a-d-a)" >I believe this is an open D tuning and NOT a tuning in fifths. Tuning in >fifths would be d-a-e-c wouldn't it? My bad! You're absolutely right. I should have clarified that. I didn't think of it as meaning "progressing in fifths" (d-a-e-c). I guess it would be more of an "open" tuning, so that each pair of the four strings is tuned in the same relationship of tonic to fifth (d-a-d-a). Some Indian violinists have added an additional fifth string which is tuned to the octave above the higher of the two 'D' strings, and this is often plucked with the pinkie of the left hand to imitate the "chikari" (rhythm/drone) strings on instruments like sitar, sarod and vina. It serves as a sort of "punctuation mark" between phrases in the slower sections and is also used for rhythmic emphasis in faster playing. I've also seen one or two violinists who have added sympathetic strings to the violin as well (like those on the Renaissance viola d'amore or the Norwegian hardanger fiddle). There is also the great crossover artist, L. Shankar, who plays an electric, double-necked violin of his own design which (via octave dividers) can reproduce the ranges of violin, viola, cello and bass. >yours, not an expert, but a good editor, :-) rick walker (loop.pool) Definitely! Thanks for noticing this and pointing it out. Good catch! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 09:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32423; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: The music of blackholes Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:52:34 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c1e160$228fbd40$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amuzing article on the 'music' of the universe, and a report released today on the patterns that black holes give off. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=96&e=4&cid=96&u=/space/2002 0409/sc_space/the_music_of_black_holes Be well, D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 10:18:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02517; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:16:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:16:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: Mailing list recommendations Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:12:31 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c1e162$ebe78db0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <19nacD.A.Bm.7qZt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Can anyone recommend some good mailing lists for music composition or music making, that is pretty instrument agnostic (Doesn't have to be, but using an unconventional instrument, I'd prefer it). What I am looking for is discussions on song structure, song crafting, styling, etc. My interest is to start composing pieces for my turntables (scratching and looping), but I lack the empirical knowledge of song composition. Thanks for your time, Dylan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 10:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03150; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:22:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:22:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:21:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luigi, The most recent Windows 2000 is much more stable than 98se or Me. WDM drivers are more reliable in 2000. And you don't have the authorization issues that you have in XP. -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying Apple > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your PC > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many Ayn > > Rand books... > > > > and for this question... > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never have > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? What > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive unit, > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of software > > will 'never go away'? > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best price/features > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, does > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was the > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER write > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give up > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to DV, > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at work. > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot into OS > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's still > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a used > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 10:42:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05324; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:40:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c1e166$b348efe0$e52e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:39:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, But I can't use it with my desktop right now, since I use a Lexicon Core2 soundcard and it doesn't have compatible drivers. The last update (and full of bugs, I must say) is for win95, alas. I've already tried to write to Lexicon to ask if they'll update the drivers, since the win95/98 ones have some compatibility problems with Via Chipsets but their response was I had to change my motherboard. Great professionality from one of the big companies, I think. I think that as soon as I'll change the soundcard with another professional one with the right drivers I'll do the switch to win2000. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > Luigi, > > The most recent Windows 2000 is much more stable than 98se or Me. WDM > drivers are more reliable in 2000. And you don't have the authorization > issues that you have in XP. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it] > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 10:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04873; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1e166$742e7500$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <003301c1e162$ebe78db0$6142a8c0@dyland> Subject: Re: Mailing list recommendations Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:37:46 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "instrument-agnostic". I LIKE it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 15:12 PM Subject: Mailing list recommendations > Hey all, > > Can anyone recommend some good mailing lists for music composition or music > making, that is pretty instrument agnostic (Doesn't have to be, but using an > unconventional instrument, I'd prefer it). What I am looking for is > discussions on song structure, song crafting, styling, etc. > > My interest is to start composing pieces for my turntables (scratching and > looping), but I lack the empirical knowledge of song composition. > > > Thanks for your time, > > > Dylan > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 11:34:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09671; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:27:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411152714.87212.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i too have been looking into putting together a system for the sole use of music production. for my needs, i want to be able to cut pretty nice quality stuff and not be growing out of my gear quickly (when i first got into recording, i purchased a 4 track and within the matter of months, i had already grown out of the gear and needed something with more capabilities). i'm also hoping to be able to use my home studio setup as a learning tool to possibly break into a recording job or at least the field, so i'd like to work with industry standards and cutting edge software. after researching this for a while now, i've decided to go apple instead of pc. most of my friends who do this, use apples and it does seem to be the industry standard for this sort of thing. i've been looking into software/hardware packages and the digi001 seems to be the most all inclusive, easy-to-use package (not to mention, it runs off a light edition of pro tools). does anyone use the digi001? what do you know about it? what are your recommendations to someone in my situation trying to put a project studio together? i am still pulling my funds together for this and i'm willing to put the extra cash into this to make it as good as i can (within reason). also for this kind of setup (one where i can constantly be working on multiple music projects), what kind of system to you suggest? i was planning on taking the G4 route as it has been recommended to me by several people who are in the know. any and all thoughts, suggestions are welcome! thanks, e va n|s sa b evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 11:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11800; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhREB4TXEtmajcd3WLeEGbNRSgfi/AIUBuokYk6ACvLxluh57vxCJdV3I6w= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:57:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: O.T. more computer questions Message-ID: <17805-3CB5B259-1743@storefull-2351.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Evan Meyers 's message of Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I also would like to break into the recording biz on a small scale for x-tra income. But i would like to design my own website and possibly others. After I have the basic computer needs what else would I need to create websites. Thanks again, everyone has been very helpful in helping me pull out of he stoneage. Many Blessings'Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 12:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13768; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:05:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:05:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. more computer questions Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:04:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <88APlD.A.3VD.nQbt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I don't know if I would recommend the recording biz for extra income... But for building websites I would recommend Macromedia Dreamweaver or Adobe GoLive. Both offer a WYSIWYG means of laying out pages plus some deeper functionality for more advanced web coding. You might also want an image editing program like Photoshop. Best regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net [mailto:BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: O.T. more computer questions Yes, I also would like to break into the recording biz on a small scale for x-tra income. But i would like to design my own website and possibly others. After I have the basic computer needs what else would I need to create websites. Thanks again, everyone has been very helpful in helping me pull out of he stoneage. Many Blessings'Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 12:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15561; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411164244.91673.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Chords (was Adrenalinn) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006201c1e15b$272208e0$38944e0c@u73x0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7uYV0D.A.byD.F0bt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com L. Shankar is absolutely amazing. For those interested in the SF bay area, his brother L. Subramaniam (who is a virtuoso in his own right) is playing with a North and a South Indian percussionist next month: Classical Violin Solo by L. Subramaniam, with Anindo Chatterjee (tabla) and Mahesh Krishnamurti (mridangam). Organized by Harmoni Ventures. The Palace of Fine Arts Theater, 3301 Lyon St., San Francisco. 8:30 p.m. $18, $28, $38, $48. (415) 392-4400, (510) 843-9600, (408) 616-8864. Stephen --- James Pokorny wrote: > There is also the > great crossover artist, L. Shankar, who plays an > electric, double-necked violin of his own design > which (via octave dividers) can reproduce the ranges > of violin, viola, cello and bass. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 12:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15902; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:42:59 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) In-reply-to: <20020411152714.87212.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020411152714.87212.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:27 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >does anyone use the digi001? I use a Digi 001 in a PowerMac G4/500. I've recorded to an internal IDE drive and I recently bought a Firewire drive and am using that. I'm able to play back up to 24 tracks at 16/44.1 from either drive. I haven't tested the performance limits with many tracks at 24/48, but I'm presently working with that file format and recording four tracks at once. The Digi 001 hardware is fine, as long as you don't need to record at a higher rate than 48kHz. It's easy to use, with a pair of XLR/TRS inputs and headphone output on the front panel and the rest of the analog I/O on the back. The ADAT lightpipe connectors are on the PCI card itself, which can be a little kludgy. My only other complaint is that because Inputs 1 and 2 are on the front panel they are omitted from the rear panel. I'd rather they were duplicated. My principal softwares are Pro Tools LE 5.1 and Peak 3.0, though I have a number of other programs that work well with the Digi hardware. I have a lot of plug-ins including Waves, GRM Tools, Metric Halo's Channel Strip, Speed, and others. For MIDI sequencing I use Digital Performer. I haven't worked with the audio feature of DP yet. Previously I worked mainly in Studio Vision (which by the way is now freeware). Many people prefer Cubase or Logic. I've also amassed a collection of software synths, mainly those from Native Instruments. These are great, but I haven't done any serious work with them. I bought this system about a year and a half ago, and my decision was based primarily on the fact that two of my musical collaborators already had this system. File interchange was therefore simplified. By working with Pro Tools LE I also have easy file interchange with full-on Pro Tools TDM systems, though I haven't needed to do that yet. I'm considering at some point changing to Nuendo and RME hardware. The Nuendo software seems to be much more intuitive and efficient than Pro Tools, and it supports VST plug-ins. The RME hardware offers 96kHz at a good price. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 12:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17054; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:53:20 -0700 Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) From: Greg Kucharo To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020411152714.87212.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is the setup I have. Although I wish I could trade it in for Logic 5 and one of the Midiman audio cards. Digidesign seems to be the slowest pro audio developer to bring programs to OS X. Aside from that, it works pretty well. > From: Evan Meyers > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:27:16 -0400 > > i too have been looking into putting together a system > for the sole use of music production. for my needs, i > want to be able to cut pretty nice quality stuff and > not be growing out of my gear quickly (when i first > got into recording, i purchased a 4 track and within > the matter of months, i had already grown out of the > gear and needed something with more capabilities). > i'm also hoping to be able to use my home studio setup > as a learning tool to possibly break into a recording > job or at least the field, so i'd like to work with > industry standards and cutting edge software. > > after researching this for a while now, i've decided > to go apple instead of pc. most of my friends who do > this, use apples and it does seem to be the industry > standard for this sort of thing. i've been looking > into software/hardware packages and the digi001 seems > to be the most all inclusive, easy-to-use package (not > to mention, it runs off a light edition of pro tools). > > does anyone use the digi001? what do you know about > it? what are your recommendations to someone in my > situation trying to put a project studio together? i > am still pulling my funds together for this and i'm > willing to put the extra cash into this to make it as > good as i can (within reason). also for this kind of > setup (one where i can constantly be working on > multiple music projects), what kind of system to you > suggest? i was planning on taking the G4 route as it > has been recommended to me by several people who are > in the know. > > any and all thoughts, suggestions are welcome! > thanks, > e va n|s sa b > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19094; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:02:59 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <20020411100300-r01050000-4DEC2201-4D33-11D6-A88A-9F9724AAD0EC-0922-010c@66.120.47.142> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 4/11/02 at 9:53 AM, telecaster@mac.com (Greg Kucharo) wrote: > This is the setup I have. Although I wish I could trade it in for Logic 5 > and one of the Midiman audio cards. Digidesign seems to be the slowest pro > audio developer to bring programs to OS X. Don't hold your breath over Logic 5 either, I wouldn't say they'll be ready for a while. My vote is the same as the good Doctors, RME and Nuendo. I have a Multiface which I use with my Tibook and it's amazing. Peak is running natively in X, but what's the point when there are no drivers? Logic might go to X, but who uses EMI2/6? Maybe it would be an idea to get a PC until all of the nonsense blows over, then run it as a GIGA station or use Steinberg's VST link. L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20650; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:22:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411172203.70409.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I use a Digi 001 in a PowerMac G4/500. I've recorded what would a setup like that go for these days? what did it cost you when you initially set it up? and if you were setting something up now (knowing what you know now), what would you go with as far as computer processing speed and stuff like that? where would you look to get it? and would you try to get a system custom built for just these needs or just get a regular G4? sorry for the barage of questions, but this list is a great place to 'ask the experts' (so to speak). i was pretty much sold on the digi 001 after seeing a demo video and then talking to some users...whose complaints seemed to be beyond my needs. > The Digi 001 hardware is fine, as long as you don't > need to record at > a higher rate than 48kHz. why would one need to do this? > card itself, which can be a little kludgy. My only > other complaint is > that because Inputs 1 and 2 are on the front panel > they are omitted > from the rear panel. I'd rather they were > duplicated. i read somewhere that the 2 front inputs are a bit hotter than the ones on the back or at least different in sampling rate or something like that. do you run an ADAT out of your setup or just work with the harddrives that you have? > For MIDI sequencing I use Digital Performer. I > haven't worked with > the audio feature of DP yet. Previously I worked > mainly in Studio > Vision (which by the way is now freeware). Many > people prefer Cubase > or Logic. why don't you work with just the digi001 software? i'm looking to get something that i will be able to use for all of my needs and upgrade things as i go. i was under the impression that the digi001 has built in midi applications as well as some fx plugins (which i've heard is the primary difference between the light edition of the pro tools and the original). > I'm considering at some point changing to Nuendo and > RME hardware. > The Nuendo software seems to be much more intuitive > and efficient > than Pro Tools, and it supports VST plug-ins. The > RME hardware offers > 96kHz at a good price. thanks for all of the help, and i look forward to your further comments on the subject! take care, e va n (bassist to the stars, well not yet anyway) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20012; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:11 -0700 Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) From: Greg Kucharo To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020411100300-r01050000-4DEC2201-4D33-11D6-A88A-9F9724AAD0EC-0922-010c@66.120.47.142> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1o5qZB.A.E3E.gRct8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Incidentially, BIAS Deck is now available for OS X. Acutally shipping I believe. > From: Andrew Pask > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:02:59 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:02:52 -0400 > > On 4/11/02 at 9:53 AM, telecaster@mac.com (Greg Kucharo) wrote: > >> This is the setup I have. Although I wish I could trade it in for Logic 5 >> and one of the Midiman audio cards. Digidesign seems to be the slowest pro >> audio developer to bring programs to OS X. > > > Don't hold your breath over Logic 5 either, I wouldn't say they'll be ready > for > a while. My vote is the same as the good Doctors, RME and Nuendo. I have a > Multiface which I use with my Tibook and it's amazing. Peak is running > natively > in X, but what's the point when there are no drivers? Logic might go to X, but > who uses EMI2/6? > > Maybe it would be an idea to get a PC until all of the nonsense blows over, > then > run it as a GIGA station or use Steinberg's VST link. > > L8r > > A > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:26:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21426; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:25:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:25:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411172450.977.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020411100300-r01050000-4DEC2201-4D33-11D6-A88A-9F9724AAD0EC-0922-010c@66.120.47.142> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > a while. My vote is the same as the good Doctors, > RME and Nuendo. RME and Nuendo? what exactly are those? and where can i read about them? sorry, but i'm new to this stuff... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:27:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21710; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB5C700.8BD28FB9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:25:20 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) References: <20020411152714.87212.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might also want to check out the Mark Of The Unicorn gear. The main reason I went with them was they make really good audio interfaces (PCI and Firewire), good MIDI interfaces, MIDI drivers, AND sequencing/multitrack audio software. Pretty much the whole sha-bang. Why is this good? Because the whole system works together seamlessly. MOTU also has been one of the few companies that are promising OSX versions of their software. Mark Sottilaro Evan Meyers wrote: > > after researching this for a while now, i've decided > to go apple instead of pc. most of my friends who do > this, use apples and it does seem to be the industry > standard for this sort of thing. i've been looking > into software/hardware packages and the digi001 seems > to be the most all inclusive, easy-to-use package (not > to mention, it runs off a light edition of pro tools). > > does anyone use the digi001? what do you know about > it? what are your recommendations to someone in my > situation trying to put a project studio together? i > am still pulling my funds together for this and i'm > willing to put the extra cash into this to make it as > good as i can (within reason). also for this kind of > setup (one where i can constantly be working on > multiple music projects), what kind of system to you > suggest? i was planning on taking the G4 route as it > has been recommended to me by several people who are > in the know. > > any and all thoughts, suggestions are welcome! > thanks, > e va n|s sa b > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22389; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:28:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:28:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:27:37 -0700 Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) From: Greg Kucharo To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020411172313.12919.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. But as Andrew pointed out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > From: Evan Meyers > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:23:12 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:23:15 -0400 > >> This is the setup I have. Although I wish I could >> trade it in for Logic 5 >> and one of the Midiman audio cards. Digidesign seems >> to be the slowest pro >> audio developer to bring programs to OS X. >> Aside from that, it works pretty well. > > > why would you trade it for Logic 5 and a Midiman audio > card? what are the advantages of that kind of setup > over the digi001? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20939; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411172313.12919.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is the setup I have. Although I wish I could > trade it in for Logic 5 > and one of the Midiman audio cards. Digidesign seems > to be the slowest pro > audio developer to bring programs to OS X. > Aside from that, it works pretty well. why would you trade it for Logic 5 and a Midiman audio card? what are the advantages of that kind of setup over the digi001? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:34:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23276; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411173228.15367.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. > But as Andrew pointed > out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X is just super fast processing speed and low latency? again, when i say "new to this" i mean really new...the terminology even falls above my head on most of this stuff, but i'm trying to educate myself as much as possible to make the best decission for what i'm hoping to do. speaking of which, are their any recommended sites or magazines designed for someone like me trying to catch up with the technology? i'm looking for something that will have a minimal amount of implied previous knowledge. i'm not abc any more, but i'm certainly not at the level of using acronyms all over the place either. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23546; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020411152714.87212.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020411152714.87212.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:33:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a G4 733 with an antique Korg 1212io as my music computer. Logic Audio is my main audio and MIDI app. I added 1gig of RAM, and the system basically rocks. I recently finished mixing a CD for a Tool/Incubus style metal band, with sessions that had as many as 36 tracks, mostly mono but some stereo. Had some problems with disc speed at the beginning, when I was just using the internal 5400rpm drive, but after adding a 2nd 7200 rpm IDE drive, had no problems, I suspect I could get quite a few more tracks now. Used Logic's internal plugins and VST effects for most of the processing other than reverb. I don't have experience with the DIGI001, but can attest to the fact that the G4 733 is an excellent computer for music. >i too have been looking into putting together a system >for the sole use of music production. for my needs, i >want to be able to cut pretty nice quality stuff and >not be growing out of my gear quickly (when i first >got into recording, i purchased a 4 track and within >the matter of months, i had already grown out of the >gear and needed something with more capabilities). >i'm also hoping to be able to use my home studio setup >as a learning tool to possibly break into a recording >job or at least the field, so i'd like to work with >industry standards and cutting edge software. > >after researching this for a while now, i've decided >to go apple instead of pc. most of my friends who do >this, use apples and it does seem to be the industry >standard for this sort of thing. i've been looking >into software/hardware packages and the digi001 seems >to be the most all inclusive, easy-to-use package (not >to mention, it runs off a light edition of pro tools). > >does anyone use the digi001? what do you know about >it? what are your recommendations to someone in my >situation trying to put a project studio together? i >am still pulling my funds together for this and i'm >willing to put the extra cash into this to make it as >good as i can (within reason). also for this kind of >setup (one where i can constantly be working on >multiple music projects), what kind of system to you >suggest? i was planning on taking the G4 route as it >has been recommended to me by several people who are >in the know. > >any and all thoughts, suggestions are welcome! >thanks, > e va n|s sa b >evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:38:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24448; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411173727.58178.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com emagic, the makers of Logic have announced pending support for Pro Tools HD that will "support sampling rates up to 192 kHz". http://www.emagic.de/english/news/index.html Mackie's Logic Control is getting good reviews, but it's pricey! http://www.emagic.de/english/products/logic/control.html Stephen > > From: Evan Meyers > > why would you trade it for Logic 5 and a Midiman > audio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:41:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25032; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:39:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:39:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Thread-Index: AcHhfbSyjh9Sw8WdS6OuzKpHtE534AAASpcw From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA24856 Resent-Message-ID: <954MpB.A.nEG.Hpct8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is the set up I, too, am running. Very stable. http://www.rme-audio.com http://www.nuendo.com Note: the new Cubase release (soon?) seems to be a complete redesign of the software which includes the stable, stable NUENDO audio engines. Check out http://www.steinberg.net Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > a while. My vote is the same as the good Doctors, > RME and Nuendo. RME and Nuendo? what exactly are those? and where can i read about them? sorry, but i'm new to this stuff... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26098; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:45:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:45:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:44:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 17:44:57.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[98719A90:01C1E180] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a Vegas head - Between work and home, I spend about 4 hours using it, each day. What does Nuendo have that Vegas doesn't? Is it worth the switch? Most of my work is video also - can Nuendo handle that? Is there a demo? Thanks, Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: RE: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > This is the set up I, too, am running. Very stable. > > http://www.rme-audio.com > http://www.nuendo.com > > Note: the new Cubase release (soon?) seems to be a complete redesign of the software which includes the stable, stable NUENDO audio engines. Check out http://www.steinberg.net > > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > a while. My vote is the same as the good Doctors, > > RME and Nuendo. > > RME and Nuendo? what exactly are those? and where > can i read about them? sorry, but i'm new to this > stuff... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26762; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:48:05 -0400 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 4/13: loop ny open ny loop (w/o /t!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com open loop continues this week without me or Lena! it will be helmed by the redoubtable Stv Jns, and will include the loopy craziness that you have come to know and love, and, I hope, many of the regulars. I'll be back next week (and Lena the week after) so this will be a welcome respite from too much of me. (Regulars include David Beardsley, Harry Esq, Pedro Felix, Jeremy Halpern, Tobi Joi, Stv Jns, and Grace Period among others.) open loop is live electronic looping of live and electronic instruments. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 1pm to 7pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. see you at the loop! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:52:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25536; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:46:27 -0400 Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: ric hordinski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0CA78B7B-4D74-11D6-9830-000393073870@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have used digi001 and mac systems for a couple of years now. they are real stable and the audio (convertors aside) is very pristine. better than the 24mix systems for audio quality. the software is very intuitive (to me) and more logical than many others that i've tried... i also have the portable MOTU system ( and 828 and a g4 laptop...) and it has it's strong points but is not as logical or powerful as the protools set-up. having said that, i do think that the digidesign people are pretty snobby (not the tech folks, but the powers at the top) and i get the opposite feeling from motu.. they are very low to the ground and open to suggestions... my .02.. peace ric hordinski monkmusic.com On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 12:42 PM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:27 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > >> does anyone use the digi001? > > I use a Digi 001 in a PowerMac G4/500. I've recorded to an internal IDE > drive and I recently bought a Firewire drive and am using that. I'm > able to play back up to 24 tracks at 16/44.1 from either drive. I > haven't tested the performance limits with many tracks at 24/48, but > I'm presently working with that file format and recording four tracks > at once. > > The Digi 001 hardware is fine, as long as you don't need to record at a > higher rate than 48kHz. It's easy to use, with a pair of XLR/TRS inputs > and headphone output on the front panel and the rest of the analog I/O > on the back. The ADAT lightpipe connectors are on the PCI card itself, > which can be a little kludgy. My only other complaint is that because > Inputs 1 and 2 are on the front panel they are omitted from the rear > panel. I'd rather they were duplicated. > > My principal softwares are Pro Tools LE 5.1 and Peak 3.0, though I have > a number of other programs that work well with the Digi hardware. I > have a lot of plug-ins including Waves, GRM Tools, Metric Halo's > Channel Strip, Speed, and others. > > For MIDI sequencing I use Digital Performer. I haven't worked with the > audio feature of DP yet. Previously I worked mainly in Studio Vision > (which by the way is now freeware). Many people prefer Cubase or Logic. > > I've also amassed a collection of software synths, mainly those from > Native Instruments. These are great, but I haven't done any serious > work with them. > > > I bought this system about a year and a half ago, and my decision was > based primarily on the fact that two of my musical collaborators > already had this system. File interchange was therefore simplified. By > working with Pro Tools LE I also have easy file interchange with > full-on Pro Tools TDM systems, though I haven't needed to do that yet. > > I'm considering at some point changing to Nuendo and RME hardware. The > Nuendo software seems to be much more intuitive and efficient than Pro > Tools, and it supports VST plug-ins. The RME hardware offers 96kHz at a > good price. > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 13:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27401; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:43:49 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) In-reply-to: <20020411172450.977.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020411172450.977.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:24 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >RME and Nuendo? what exactly are those? and where can i read about >them? sorry, but i'm new to this stuff... The first thing you need to learn about is how to use a search engine to find information on the Web. You'll be able to answer some of your questions in a few seconds rather than waiting for a response from the list. Google is my favorite. Try this: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=RME+Nuendo&btnG=Google+Search -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 14:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31186; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:13:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:08:07 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) In-reply-to: <20020411172203.70409.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020411172203.70409.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:22 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >what would a setup like that go for these days? If you mean how much it would cost to buy an older G4/500 and a Digi 001 I suggest you check out used computer brokers such as Shreve Systems for the Mac, and on-line music vendors such as audioMIDI.com for the Digi stuff. >what did it cost you when you initially set it up? About the same as it would cost for a new system today, only the computer would be faster. >and if you were setting something up now (knowing what you know >now), what would you go with as far as computer processing speed and >stuff like that? If I had the money I'd buy a dual 1.0GHz PowerMac. >where would you look to get it? Prices on new Macs don't vary that much. I usually buy from MacZone. You can do comparison shopping at They list dual 1.GHz at $2899, MSRP is $2,999. >and would you try to get a system custom built for just these needs >or just get a regular G4? With Macs the idea of "custom built" is less prevalent than for PCs. You can order a custom Mac configuration from the Apple store, but a stock system is fine. PCI card installation and RAM upgrades are almost trivial and most software installation is totally straightforward. However, if you DO want a pre-configured system you can go to someone such as Wave Digital. > > The Digi 001 hardware is fine, as long as you don't >> need to record at >> a higher rate than 48kHz. > >why would one need to do this? You probably wouldn't, but a lot of people are moving up to 96kHz to achieve more high frequency reproduction. And even if they can't hear it, many clients will insist on working in 96kHz because it's state-of-the-art. >i read somewhere that the 2 front inputs are a bit hotter than the >ones on the back or at least different in sampling rate or something >like that. Same sampling rate, but because they double as mic and line inputs they do have adjustable gain. >do you run an ADAT out of your setup or just work with the >harddrives that you have? I do all my work in the computer. I did one piece where I needed to output to ADAT at the end, so I rented one for a day. >why don't you work with just the digi001 software? The MIDI features are rudimentary. Digital Performer started as a MIDI sequencer, so its MIDI functions are more highly developed. >i was under the impression that the digi001 has built in midi >applications as well as some fx plugins I haven't used the MIDI features. The plug-ins are OK, I guess. I tend to use Waves and other plug-ins instead. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 14:31:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32324; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:30:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:30:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020411172450.977.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: WWWWOT Search engines was Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:29:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 18:29:46.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBA167E0:01C1E186] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com see also: www.wisenut.com www.dogpile.com and don't forget to just type the phrase or word into IE and have it automatically call up msn search for you. If you haven't done this already, you might want to try typing your >own< name in to a search engine. Scary huh? Isn't technology cool? bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > At 10:24 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >RME and Nuendo? what exactly are those? and where can i read about > >them? sorry, but i'm new to this stuff... > > The first thing you need to learn about is how to use a search engine > to find information on the Web. You'll be able to answer some of your > questions in a few seconds rather than waiting for a response from > the list. > > Google is my favorite. Try this: > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=RME+Nuendo&btnG=Google+Search > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04170; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c1e18e$80e23ac0$3769aacf@pavilion> From: "Phil and Mary Bush" To: Subject: equip.fer sale Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:24:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E164.96EEDBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7YpZ9B.A.FAB.sDet8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E164.96EEDBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable don't really want to do it but.....for sale "like new" edp w/fc7 contact = me @ pmbush@metronet.com Phil and Mary Bush (972) 382-2178 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E164.96EEDBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E164.96EEDBE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:25:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05228; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: why i don't use a search engine for info... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The first thing you need to learn about is how to > use a search engine > to find information on the Web. yeah, i've considerred that and use it as a source of info, i've also considerred asking certain list members questions off-list, but then i remembered how many times i was poking around this list and someone brought up something interesting that i would not have known about and would not have looked for info on...but because it was asked to the list, i now know about it. for instance...there was some really interesting stuff on this list about creating beats via turn-tables and a repeater which blew my mind...i never would have found out about that stuff without the list... not to mention, posing questions to a list gets me replies from people who now have familiar names. certain people's posts have really made me respect their knowledge base and opinions and by asking list users specific questions, i get more of a human touch as opposed to reading product profiles. it is like asking a friend about a movie as opposed to reading the reviews. from my experiences, professional reviewers don't tend to have the same feelings that i do about things. unfortunately with lists like this, you also get tons of wise cracks and non-serious replies to questions...but i joined the list for a reason and not that i need to defend myself, but what makes you assume that i'm not getting information via search engines as well as asking list members who obviously have more hands on experience with these kinds of things than i do. and on a final note...it seems that most of you guys/gals really like to share your knowledge (whether for reasons of thinking that 'you da man' or because you are actually trying to be helpful is another discussion entirely)... all apologies to anyone who feels that my questions about equipment and opinions are more of a waste of time and bandwidth for y'all than discussions about cable directionality and what kind of car we all drive. being a new guy, i know how intimidating some of you guys with all the gear and knowledge can come across and honestly, i love seeing posts where someone asks a basic question, because there are probably 50 or so other lurkers out there wondering the same thing but fear getting jumped on by asking a stupid or basic quesiton. it's all about implied knowledge...eh? new to looping, but not to music, e v a n __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04997; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB5E2F2.57CA9463@friendlyspider.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:24:54 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sequencing loops in Repeater... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One more Repeater question: (until I loop back around again) I understand from the PDF manual that you can't sequence loops with Repeater alone, except by manual triggering, and that must be done prior to the transition point because of the delay calling up the next loop. Now I understand you can use an external sequencer to change the loops by using Program Bank control messages within a sequence to which the Repeater is synced. Does the Repeater output these program change messages so that you can record them back into the sequencer ? Is there any other way other than using a software sequencer or the program change knobs on a keyboard to obtain these messages to record onto a hardware sequencer ? I want to be able to use an older Yamaha QX5 or QX21 (I have both) to sync to and automate the loop playback. Excuse if this is old news and I should have searched the archives..... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05957; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411192910.80854.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: last search engine comment (i swear) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know i just ranted a bit about the search engine comment, but right here, you just proved why i prefer to ask the list as opposed to sifting through thousands of useless and out of date web pages... a clear conscise answer that provided more useful information to me than 7 hours digging through searched sites...thank you! --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 10:22 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >what would a setup like that go for these days? > > If you mean how much it would cost to buy an older > G4/500 and a Digi > 001 I suggest you check out used computer brokers > such as Shreve > Systems for the Mac, and on-line music vendors such > as audioMIDI.com > for the Digi stuff. > > >what did it cost you when you initially set it up? > > About the same as it would cost for a new system > today, only the > computer would be faster. > > >and if you were setting something up now (knowing > what you know > >now), what would you go with as far as computer > processing speed and > >stuff like that? > > If I had the money I'd buy a dual 1.0GHz PowerMac. > > >where would you look to get it? > > Prices on new Macs don't vary that much. I usually > buy from MacZone. > You can do comparison shopping at > > > They list dual 1.GHz at $2899, MSRP is $2,999. > > >and would you try to get a system custom built for > just these needs > >or just get a regular G4? > > With Macs the idea of "custom built" is less > prevalent than for PCs. > You can order a custom Mac configuration from the > Apple store, but a > stock system is fine. PCI card installation and RAM > upgrades are > almost trivial and most software installation is > totally > straightforward. However, if you DO want a > pre-configured system you > can go to someone such as Wave Digital. > > > > The Digi 001 hardware is fine, as long as you > don't > >> need to record at > >> a higher rate than 48kHz. > > > >why would one need to do this? > > You probably wouldn't, but a lot of people are > moving up to 96kHz to > achieve more high frequency reproduction. And even > if they can't hear > it, many clients will insist on working in 96kHz > because it's > state-of-the-art. > > > >i read somewhere that the 2 front inputs are a bit > hotter than the > >ones on the back or at least different in sampling > rate or something > >like that. > > Same sampling rate, but because they double as mic > and line inputs > they do have adjustable gain. > > >do you run an ADAT out of your setup or just work > with the > >harddrives that you have? > > I do all my work in the computer. I did one piece > where I needed to > output to ADAT at the end, so I rented one for a > day. > > > >why don't you work with just the digi001 software? > > The MIDI features are rudimentary. Digital Performer > started as a > MIDI sequencer, so its MIDI functions are more > highly developed. > > > >i was under the impression that the digi001 has > built in midi > >applications as well as some fx plugins > > I haven't used the MIDI features. The plug-ins are > OK, I guess. I > tend to use Waves and other plug-ins instead. > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:37:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06305; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c1e18f$28e2a700$232e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20020411173228.15367.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:29:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A good starting point could be Computer Music magazine. It also has a cd-rom included with some free samples and sometimes some free software (both for pc and mac). For something more general 'bout musical instruments (and computers) you can go take a look to Mix and to Future Music. Both have cds included with samples. Regarding recording techniques you can take a look to The Mix and to EQ magazines. If you are more interested in keyboards you can look for Keyboard Magazine. For a simpler approach you can read Home Recording. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. > > But as Andrew pointed > > out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > > > > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X is just super fast > processing speed and low latency? again, when i say > "new to this" i mean really new...the terminology even > falls above my head on most of this stuff, but i'm > trying to educate myself as much as possible to make > the best decission for what i'm hoping to do. > > speaking of which, are their any recommended sites or > magazines designed for someone like me trying to catch > up with the technology? i'm looking for something > that will have a minimal amount of implied previous > knowledge. i'm not abc any more, but i'm certainly > not at the level of using acronyms all over the place either. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:37:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06304; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411193007.92504.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: WWWWOT Search engines was Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com believe it or not, someone actually claimed my name as a domain name! --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > see also: > > www.wisenut.com > www.dogpile.com > > and don't forget to just type the phrase or word > into IE and have it > automatically call up msn search for you. > > If you haven't done this already, you might want to > try typing your >own< > name in to a search engine. Scary huh? > > Isn't technology cool? > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Zvonar" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > At 10:24 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > > > >RME and Nuendo? what exactly are those? and > where can i read about > > >them? sorry, but i'm new to this stuff... > > > > The first thing you need to learn about is how to > use a search engine > > to find information on the Web. You'll be able to > answer some of your > > questions in a few seconds rather than waiting for > a response from > > the list. > > > > Google is my favorite. Try this: > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=RME+Nuendo&btnG=Google+Search > > -- > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > > > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:49:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08342; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:43:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:38:36 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: why i don't use a search engine for info... In-reply-to: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3Rt9JB.A.qBC.ocet8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:23 PM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > The first thing you need to learn about is how to > use a search engine >> to find information on the Web. > >yeah, i've considerred that and use it as a source of info, i've >also considerred asking certain list members questions off-list, but >then i remembered how many times i was poking around this list and >someone brought up something interesting that i would not have known >about and would not have looked for info on...but because it was >asked to the list, i now know about it. There's nothing wrong with asking questions on the list, but it's important to do your homework first. For instance, questions such as "what would a setup like that go for these days? what did it cost you when you initially set it up?" are pretty wasteful of people's time. I answered them out of kindness, but quite frankly my first reaction was to respond with a wisecrack. I think you'll find that you get more useful information out of a greater number of list members if you try to answer the obvious stuff for yourself first. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 15:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09209; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:54:34 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 04/11/2002 03:54:35 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, loopers...I've been satisfied for a long while with a single 10-sec delay line with foot-pedal input volume and feedback control for my Min.Daily Req. of looped audio. But lately, I've been fantasizing about having multiple delay lines available, with their delay times sync'ed and their output sequenced so that instead of all sounding simultaneously, some kind of audio router or sequencer would cycle between their outputs, also in sync with the delay time...in other words, delay lines with timed gaps in their output that could be syncronised so that when one is off, another is on, etc... No doubt this is a rudimentary looper's wish, already more than fulfilled with the edp or repeater, but I've kinda been overwhelmed with the length and complexity of the disussions on these devices so far, and haven't noticed that anybody is talking about using them in exactly this way. Am I wrong? Anybody have any suggestions on how to do this? I've been imagining that a Kyma system, or a Switchblade plus computer sequencer, could do it easily, but is it necessary to spend so much? Appreciate any ponters! Thanks... David Coffin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11354; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:07:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:07:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.compact.dhs.org: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? Message-ID: <1018555613.3cb5ecdd4c70d@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:06:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting dcoffin@taunton.com: > in sync with the delay time...in other words, delay lines with timed > gaps in their output that could be syncronised so that when one is off, sounds like a potential modular synthesiser application to me ... you should get yourself a synthesizers.com sequencer, and a bunch of VCA modules ... and put it to work. btw, Roger Arrick (the owner of synthesizers.com) has said he will be making a voltage controlled digital delay line. i'm trying to convince him to give it a couple meg of memory. then you could build the whole system as a modular synth! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13779; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:38:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:37:46 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why i don't use a search engine for info... References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > time. I answered them out of kindness, but quite frankly my first > reaction was to respond with a wisecrack. Hey! I thought that was my job! But more importantly, amen to that brother. I've got a good friend that constantly emails me questions about stuff that he could easily find via google. A lot of the time, my answers are postings of search engine results. Now, why is he afraid of searching himself? I don't know, but it sure is annoying. This list is an incredible wealth of information, but you're better off doing some of the work yourself before hitting up the list. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:43:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14428; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB5F50E.B43DCA36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:41:50 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: <198.52644b4.29e69e91@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <51kxBC.A.-gD.UUft8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > SCSI disks are supposed to be the best, but now the > IDE disks are easily good enough, and are cheaper > and more importantly quieter. > Also, the faster the disk spins, the louder it is, > and the "slower" Hard Drives these days are quite > fast enough. > (unless you want to record 24 tracks at once). > ...but do get the largest capacity disk you can. Is this really true? Are SCSI disks louder? I've never really a/b'd two, but the difference has never been obvious to me. Fan noise is your biggest problem, IMO, and you can spend a bit more to get quiet fans. Frankly, I can't remember the last time I used a mic, and I really don't notice the sound of my G4 while I'm mixing, but I don't have a true "studio" environment. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:45:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14654; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB5F589.2094031@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:43:52 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> <000401c1e139$520f3b80$1e2e2697@o4z6b8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in my opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating Point Unit floats. Mark Luigi Meloni wrote: > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying > Apple > > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your > PC > > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many > Ayn > > > Rand books... > > > > > > > and for this question... > > > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never > have > > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? > What > > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive > unit, > > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of > software > > > will 'never go away'? > > > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > price/features > > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, > does > > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was > the > > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER > write > > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give > up > > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to > DV, > > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at > work. > > > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot > into OS > > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's > still > > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a > used > > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:47:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15096; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:46:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:46:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, This is a joke right? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in my opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating Point Unit floats. Mark Luigi Meloni wrote: > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying > Apple > > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your > PC > > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many > Ayn > > > Rand books... > > > > > > > and for this question... > > > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never > have > > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? > What > > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive > unit, > > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of > software > > > will 'never go away'? > > > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > price/features > > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, > does > > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was > the > > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER > write > > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give > up > > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to > DV, > > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at > work. > > > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot > into OS > > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's > still > > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a > used > > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15378; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:47:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:47:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411204704.48563.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: why i don't use a search engine for info... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "what would a setup like that go for these days? > what did it cost > you when you initially set it up?" are pretty > wasteful of people's > time. through list members' help i was pointed towards many great deals on gear and have saved quite a chunk of change going on recommendations. i agree it is important to do some independent looking, but these kinds of lists are designed for discussion purposes...and the spread of knowledge and expertise. > I answered them out of kindness, but quite > frankly my first > reaction was to respond with a wisecrack. nothing wrong with a wisecrack on a list...they are quite entertaining (as long as they don't become hostile, but at times even those are entertaining), but for someone who posts as regularly as you do, i don't think that keeping up with the volume of this list (even the pointless posts) is a problem for you. and wisecracks are just as much a waste of bandwidth and time as are silly questions (if not more). > I think > you'll find that > you get more useful information out of a greater > number of list > members if you try to answer the obvious stuff for > yourself first. try being the key word here...searching through even the archives of this listserve has proved pretty pointless and time consuming. i find i get answers much more quickly by asking people who know the info off-hand. i think you should take it as a compliment that i am seeking advice from you for what will most likely turn into a 3,000 dollar gear shopping spree (yeah, that's right, i actually care about the studio gear that you use and recommend as opposed to most of the others in your life who hear about it constantly but could care less - not to make any deliberate assumptions about the people that you spend your time with - and believe it or not, but i actually also am interested in hearing what you do with your gear, as opposed to all of the people who hear it but couldn't care less about it). i appreciate you taking the time out to answer my questions, but if you don't want to answer them, then don't...that's the great part about a listserve and email in general, you can delete messages without even reading them...as i'm sure many people are already doing to every message with this subject header. fighting about wasting time is the greatest way to waste time! i love this list! e va n __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:49:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15656; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:47:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:47:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <17805-3CB5B259-1743@storefull-2351.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: O.T. more computer questions Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:47:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 20:47:05.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[09EFD3D0:01C1E19A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes, I also would like to break into the recording biz on a small scale > for x-tra income. We all would. Unfortunately, there isn't any :> >But i would like to design my own website and possibly > others. After I have the basic computer needs what else would I need to > create websites. Thanks again, everyone has been very helpful in helping > me pull out of he stoneage. Many Blessings'Bill/Las Vegas > > Websites are easy. I recomend Dreamweaver software. There is a 30 trial on macromedia's site www.macromedia.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:52:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16433; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:56:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3CB5F589.2094031@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hahahahaha good one!!! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in my opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating Point Unit floats. Mark Luigi Meloni wrote: > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying > Apple > > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your > PC > > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many > Ayn > > > Rand books... > > > > > > > and for this question... > > > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never > have > > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? > What > > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive > unit, > > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of > software > > > will 'never go away'? > > > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > price/features > > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, > does > > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was > the > > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER > write > > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give > up > > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to > DV, > > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at > work. > > > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot > into OS > > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's > still > > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a > used > > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:55:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16957; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 11 Apr 02 15:59:28 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:52:24 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What would be voltage controlled on the delay line? Length? How would THAT work? What else? I'm curious. -K >>> erwill@suitandtieguy.com 04/11/02 03:06PM >>> Quoting dcoffin@taunton.com: > in sync with the delay time...in other words, delay lines with timed > gaps in their output that could be syncronised so that when one is off, sounds like a potential modular synthesiser application to me ... you should get yourself a synthesizers.com sequencer, and a bunch of VCA modules ... and put it to work. btw, Roger Arrick (the owner of synthesizers.com) has said he will be making a voltage controlled digital delay line. i'm trying to convince him to give it a couple meg of memory. then you could build the whole system as a modular synth! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 16:55:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17135; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1e19a$f616ff40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <198.52644b4.29e69e91@aol.com> <3CB5F50E.B43DCA36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:53:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SCSI discs are much louder- not sure why- and some ATA-100/133 drives are avail with some sort of liquid bearing and insulation which makes them very quiet- Seagate SoftSonic eqipped drives come to mind- www.tomshardware.com just did a review- best r/w across the entire platter also- I know Maxtor are very quiet also- and they have good support/return policy. Fan noise is a big one- but until I swapped a few drives out with newer ones I had no idea how much the high pitched hard drive noise contributed to the overall noise of the system- I would say it is close to 50/50 actually- Also- a decent 7,200 rpm ata-100 drive is as good as most scsi drives, and in some cases better- there is not much reason to go scsi unless you need 10000 or 15000 rpm with the best seek times. RAID arrays using IDE drives are great- and Tom's even tested a RAID array comprised of small, quiet notebook hard drives! c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > > > SCSI disks are supposed to be the best, but now the > > IDE disks are easily good enough, and are cheaper > > and more importantly quieter. > > Also, the faster the disk spins, the louder it is, > > and the "slower" Hard Drives these days are quite > > fast enough. > > (unless you want to record 24 tracks at once). > > ...but do get the largest capacity disk you can. > > Is this really true? Are SCSI disks louder? I've never really a/b'd > two, but the difference has never been obvious to me. Fan noise is your > biggest problem, IMO, and you can spend a bit more to get quiet fans. > Frankly, I can't remember the last time I used a mic, and I really don't > notice the sound of my G4 while I'm mixing, but I don't have a true > "studio" environment. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18918; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020411205845.67915.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: why i don't use a search engine for info... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But more importantly, amen to that brother. I've > got a good friend that > constantly emails me questions about stuff that he > could easily find via > google. A lot of the time, my answers are postings > of search engine results. > Now, why is he afraid of searching himself? I don't > know, but it sure is > annoying. This list is an incredible wealth of > information, but you're better > off doing some of the work yourself before hitting > up the list. i did the work myself at first and the best answer i found for this sort of stuff...via search engines and the like...was this list! not knocking either of you guys for having such a nice bank of knowledge...but why are you so annoyed that people seek your advice on things that can take you 2 seconds to answer, but others much longer? there are many different ways to find answers, but the best kinds of answers come from sources that you can ask follow up questions to...and come to a complete understanding about. a bit unclear of the purpose for these lists, e v a n __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:03:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19290; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c1e19b$f87e6ce0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020411192910.80854.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: last search engine comment (i swear) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:00:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must agree with RZ- starting with a search will get you far- not 7 hours of sifting IMO - the first full page of results on Google are all direct Nuendo links- and to say searching the archives is pointless is certainly not true in my experience. There is nothing wrong with asking questions- and I can understand the advice given esp. when someone mentions X product and is immediately followed by a post "where do I find out about X product" my $0.02 :) c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: last search engine comment (i swear) > i know i just ranted a bit about the search engine > comment, but right here, you just proved why i prefer > to ask the list as opposed to sifting through > thousands of useless and out of date web pages... > > a clear conscise answer that provided more useful > information to me than 7 hours digging through > searched sites...thank you! > > > --- Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 10:22 AM -0700 4/11/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > > > >what would a setup like that go for these days? > > > > If you mean how much it would cost to buy an older > > G4/500 and a Digi > > 001 I suggest you check out used computer brokers > > such as Shreve > > Systems for the Mac, and on-line music vendors such > > as audioMIDI.com > > for the Digi stuff. > > > > >what did it cost you when you initially set it up? > > > > About the same as it would cost for a new system > > today, only the > > computer would be faster. > > > > >and if you were setting something up now (knowing > > what you know > > >now), what would you go with as far as computer > > processing speed and > > >stuff like that? > > > > If I had the money I'd buy a dual 1.0GHz PowerMac. > > > > >where would you look to get it? > > > > Prices on new Macs don't vary that much. I usually > > buy from MacZone. > > You can do comparison shopping at > > > > > > They list dual 1.GHz at $2899, MSRP is $2,999. > > > > >and would you try to get a system custom built for > > just these needs > > >or just get a regular G4? > > > > With Macs the idea of "custom built" is less > > prevalent than for PCs. > > You can order a custom Mac configuration from the > > Apple store, but a > > stock system is fine. PCI card installation and RAM > > upgrades are > > almost trivial and most software installation is > > totally > > straightforward. However, if you DO want a > > pre-configured system you > > can go to someone such as Wave Digital. > > > > > > The Digi 001 hardware is fine, as long as you > > don't > > >> need to record at > > >> a higher rate than 48kHz. > > > > > >why would one need to do this? > > > > You probably wouldn't, but a lot of people are > > moving up to 96kHz to > > achieve more high frequency reproduction. And even > > if they can't hear > > it, many clients will insist on working in 96kHz > > because it's > > state-of-the-art. > > > > > > >i read somewhere that the 2 front inputs are a bit > > hotter than the > > >ones on the back or at least different in sampling > > rate or something > > >like that. > > > > Same sampling rate, but because they double as mic > > and line inputs > > they do have adjustable gain. > > > > >do you run an ADAT out of your setup or just work > > with the > > >harddrives that you have? > > > > I do all my work in the computer. I did one piece > > where I needed to > > output to ADAT at the end, so I rented one for a > > day. > > > > > > >why don't you work with just the digi001 software? > > > > The MIDI features are rudimentary. Digital Performer > > started as a > > MIDI sequencer, so its MIDI functions are more > > highly developed. > > > > > > >i was under the impression that the digi001 has > > built in midi > > >applications as well as some fx plugins > > > > I haven't used the MIDI features. The plug-ins are > > OK, I guess. I > > tend to use Waves and other plug-ins instead. > > > > > > -- > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > > > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19563; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022801c1e19b$ba51fb80$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:59:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin gallagher" >Thanks for the help and info- I'm looking forward to >learning about this machine through the group and of >course by experimenting. BTW- I did order everything >from alto music- the deal there was much much better >than the other internet deals- echoplex was $649 + >shipping and the footcontroller $99. Already the group >has helped me make a good choice- so thanks again! I also just ordered the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) from Alto Music. I spoke to a woman there who told me that Gibson had discontinued the unit and they (Alto Music) bought all the remaining stock. They have "quite a few" of them. On their website they are advertising them for $699, but they also have them listed on eBay for $649. They were willing to honor the eBay price when I called the store directly, but I was unable to get them to go below that. They did offer me the foot controller for $99, which I declined. I believe I saw something on the LD website about how to build one yourself. Anyone have any experience with building a foot controller for the EDP? They charged me $20 for 3-business-day shipping via FedEx from New York to California, which did not seem excessive. And they said they would ship the same day I ordered. If you think you might want an EDP you might think about getting one while they are still available. -Vance Gloster From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20695; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:14:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> <000401c1e139$520f3b80$1e2e2697@o4z6b8> <3CB5F589.2094031@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:13:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 21:13:27.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8DD9910:01C1E19D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if it's tone your looking for, you are probably best using an underclocked 486 (from '86- to '89), with no more than 4 megs of ram. You can't buy them any more, but there are two in my garage that I'm willing to part with for an exorbitant amount of money. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in my > opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating Point Unit > floats. > > Mark > > Luigi Meloni wrote: > > > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook > > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM > > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying > > Apple > > > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your > > PC > > > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > > > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > > > > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many > > Ayn > > > > Rand books... > > > > > > > > > > and for this question... > > > > > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never > > have > > > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? > > What > > > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive > > unit, > > > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of > > software > > > > will 'never go away'? > > > > > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > > price/features > > > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, > > does > > > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > > > > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was > > the > > > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER > > write > > > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give > > up > > > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to > > DV, > > > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at > > work. > > > > > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot > > into OS > > > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's > > still > > > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > > > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a > > used > > > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > > > > > Mark > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21010; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> <022801c1e19b$ba51fb80$7502a8c0@digex.net> Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:15:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 21:15:16.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA392A50:01C1E19D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know when the new OS comes out, seeing as the unit is no longer being made? bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vance Gloster" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevin gallagher" > >Thanks for the help and info- I'm looking forward to > >learning about this machine through the group and of > >course by experimenting. BTW- I did order everything > >from alto music- the deal there was much much better > >than the other internet deals- echoplex was $649 + > >shipping and the footcontroller $99. Already the group > >has helped me make a good choice- so thanks again! > > I also just ordered the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) from Alto Music. > I spoke to a woman there who told me that Gibson had discontinued the unit > and they (Alto Music) bought all the remaining stock. They have "quite a > few" of them. On their website they are advertising them for $699, but they > also have them listed on eBay for $649. They were willing to honor the eBay > price when I called the store directly, but I was unable to get them to go > below that. > > They did offer me the foot controller for $99, which I declined. I believe > I saw something on the LD website about how to build one yourself. Anyone > have any experience with building a foot controller for the EDP? They > charged me $20 for 3-business-day shipping via FedEx from New York to > California, which did not seem excessive. And they said they would ship the > same day I ordered. > > If you think you might want an EDP you might think about getting one while > they are still available. > > -Vance Gloster > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20646; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:13:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:13:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:15:05 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <022801c1e19b$ba51fb80$7502a8c0@digex.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For everyone's information, I'm in the middle of building a production run of 130 Echoplexes, the PCBs are finished and tested, just needing to be put into chassis and then soaked for 24 hours. After this I think the plan is to build a further 600 for Europe. There will be no shortage of supply!!!!! :))) -----Original Message----- From: Vance Gloster [mailto:vgloster@microvault.com] Sent: 11 April 2002 21:59 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin gallagher" >Thanks for the help and info- I'm looking forward to >learning about this machine through the group and of >course by experimenting. BTW- I did order everything >from alto music- the deal there was much much better >than the other internet deals- echoplex was $649 + >shipping and the footcontroller $99. Already the group >has helped me make a good choice- so thanks again! I also just ordered the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) from Alto Music. I spoke to a woman there who told me that Gibson had discontinued the unit and they (Alto Music) bought all the remaining stock. They have "quite a few" of them. On their website they are advertising them for $699, but they also have them listed on eBay for $649. They were willing to honor the eBay price when I called the store directly, but I was unable to get them to go below that. They did offer me the foot controller for $99, which I declined. I believe I saw something on the LD website about how to build one yourself. Anyone have any experience with building a foot controller for the EDP? They charged me $20 for 3-business-day shipping via FedEx from New York to California, which did not seem excessive. And they said they would ship the same day I ordered. If you think you might want an EDP you might think about getting one while they are still available. -Vance Gloster From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21284; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB5FD99.A04B5E66@friendlyspider.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:18:47 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe that Macs have all their copper wiring running in the proper direction.... I don't know about Intel boxes.... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:24:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22513; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014c01c1e19e$d19a5780$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <198.52644b4.29e69e91@aol.com> <3CB5F50E.B43DCA36@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:21:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my scsi's are the loudest thing on my box. and one of the first things i may replace, assuming i can't isolate the noise in my apt. w/o unduly increasing the heat in the box. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > > > SCSI disks are supposed to be the best, but now the > > IDE disks are easily good enough, and are cheaper > > and more importantly quieter. > > Also, the faster the disk spins, the louder it is, > > and the "slower" Hard Drives these days are quite > > fast enough. > > (unless you want to record 24 tracks at once). > > ...but do get the largest capacity disk you can. > > Is this really true? Are SCSI disks louder? I've never really a/b'd > two, but the difference has never been obvious to me. Fan noise is your > biggest problem, IMO, and you can spend a bit more to get quiet fans. > Frankly, I can't remember the last time I used a mic, and I really don't > notice the sound of my G4 while I'm mixing, but I don't have a true > "studio" environment. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:27:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22142; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020411173228.15367.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c1e18f$28e2a700$232e2697@o4z6b8> Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:20:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 21:20:11.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9E7AEE0:01C1E19E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are these magazines any better than Keyboard and Electronic musician? I subscribed to them both, but have to hide them under my mattress, so my mom doesn't catch me looking at them :> Is there any contemporary music magazine out there that isn't devoted to gear porn or catering to the 'fan/dj' with little worthwhile content? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > A good starting point could be Computer Music magazine. It also has a cd-rom > included with some free samples and sometimes some free software (both for > pc and mac). For something more general 'bout musical instruments (and > computers) you can go take a look to Mix and to Future Music. Both have cds > included with samples. > Regarding recording techniques you can take a look to The Mix and to EQ > magazines. If you are more interested in keyboards you can look for Keyboard > Magazine. For a simpler approach you can read Home Recording. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. > > > But as Andrew pointed > > > out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > > > > > > > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X is just super fast > > processing speed and low latency? again, when i say > > "new to this" i mean really new...the terminology even > > falls above my head on most of this stuff, but i'm > > trying to educate myself as much as possible to make > > the best decission for what i'm hoping to do. > > > > speaking of which, are their any recommended sites or > > magazines designed for someone like me trying to catch > > up with the technology? i'm looking for something > > that will have a minimal amount of implied previous > > knowledge. i'm not abc any more, but i'm certainly > > not at the level of using acronyms all over the place either. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23650; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:31:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c1e1a0$232aa9a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:30:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, You should have an official high tech email signature so people will know you role in the EDP production! c Chief Engineer Drudgery Dept of Neo Acoustic Generation and Manipulation, Om Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please > For everyone's information, I'm in the middle of building a production run > of 130 Echoplexes, the PCBs are finished and tested, just needing to be put > into chassis and then soaked for 24 hours. > After this I think the plan is to build a further 600 for Europe. > There will be no shortage of supply!!!!! :))) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vance Gloster [mailto:vgloster@microvault.com] > Sent: 11 April 2002 21:59 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: new to LD - advice please > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevin gallagher" > >Thanks for the help and info- I'm looking forward to > >learning about this machine through the group and of > >course by experimenting. BTW- I did order everything > >from alto music- the deal there was much much better > >than the other internet deals- echoplex was $649 + > >shipping and the footcontroller $99. Already the group > >has helped me make a good choice- so thanks again! > > I also just ordered the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) from Alto Music. > I spoke to a woman there who told me that Gibson had discontinued the unit > and they (Alto Music) bought all the remaining stock. They have "quite a > few" of them. On their website they are advertising them for $699, but they > also have them listed on eBay for $649. They were willing to honor the eBay > price when I called the store directly, but I was unable to get them to go > below that. > > They did offer me the foot controller for $99, which I declined. I believe > I saw something on the LD website about how to build one yourself. Anyone > have any experience with building a foot controller for the EDP? They > charged me $20 for 3-business-day shipping via FedEx from New York to > California, which did not seem excessive. And they said they would ship the > same day I ordered. > > If you think you might want an EDP you might think about getting one while > they are still available. > > -Vance Gloster > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:34:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23237; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Michael LaMeyer" , References: <198.52644b4.29e69e91@aol.com> <3CB5F50E.B43DCA36@zerocrossing.net> <014c01c1e19e$d19a5780$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:27:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 21:27:36.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2FF4CD0:01C1E19F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.quietpc.com Hard drive enclosures.(among other things) I'm not sure if there are scsi ones. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > my scsi's are the loudest thing on my box. and one of the first > things i may replace, assuming i can't isolate the noise in my > apt. w/o unduly increasing the heat in the box. > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > SCSI disks are supposed to be the best, but now the > > > IDE disks are easily good enough, and are cheaper > > > and more importantly quieter. > > > Also, the faster the disk spins, the louder it is, > > > and the "slower" Hard Drives these days are quite > > > fast enough. > > > (unless you want to record 24 tracks at once). > > > ...but do get the largest capacity disk you can. > > > > Is this really true? Are SCSI disks louder? I've never > really a/b'd > > two, but the difference has never been obvious to me. Fan > noise is your > > biggest problem, IMO, and you can spend a bit more to get > quiet fans. > > Frankly, I can't remember the last time I used a mic, and I > really don't > > notice the sound of my G4 while I'm mixing, but I don't have a > true > > "studio" environment. > > > > Mark > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:38:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23649; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:31:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> References: <200203261829.NAA16598@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f301c1ecb6$b37cfb40$9f63f93f@global> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:30:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: very OT: looking for senior Java developers in NYC area. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this is off-topic to the max but my company netomat is hiring a few very senior Java developers in the New York City area for some really cool art programming stuff. Contact me off-list for details. Back to llllloooping! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23812; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:32:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:32:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c1e1a0$4ba1dac0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020411173228.15367.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c1e18f$28e2a700$232e2697@o4z6b8> Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:31:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3zLeMD.A.1zF.yDgt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mix is a great rag IMO. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > Are these magazines any better than Keyboard and Electronic musician? I > subscribed to them both, but have to hide them under my mattress, so my mom > doesn't catch me looking at them :> > > Is there any contemporary music magazine out there that isn't devoted to > gear porn or catering to the 'fan/dj' with little worthwhile content? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luigi Meloni" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > A good starting point could be Computer Music magazine. It also has a > cd-rom > > included with some free samples and sometimes some free software (both for > > pc and mac). For something more general 'bout musical instruments (and > > computers) you can go take a look to Mix and to Future Music. Both have > cds > > included with samples. > > Regarding recording techniques you can take a look to The Mix and to EQ > > magazines. If you are more interested in keyboards you can look for > Keyboard > > Magazine. For a simpler approach you can read Home Recording. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Evan Meyers" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > > > > > > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > > Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. > > > > But as Andrew pointed > > > > out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > > > > > > > > > > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X is just super fast > > > processing speed and low latency? again, when i say > > > "new to this" i mean really new...the terminology even > > > falls above my head on most of this stuff, but i'm > > > trying to educate myself as much as possible to make > > > the best decission for what i'm hoping to do. > > > > > > speaking of which, are their any recommended sites or > > > magazines designed for someone like me trying to catch > > > up with the technology? i'm looking for something > > > that will have a minimal amount of implied previous > > > knowledge. i'm not abc any more, but i'm certainly > > > not at the level of using acronyms all over the place either. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:39:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24751; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027001c1e1a0$a0d95860$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:34:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ewen" > For everyone's information, I'm in the middle of building a production run > of 130 Echoplexes, the PCBs are finished and tested, just needing to be put > into chassis and then soaked for 24 hours. > After this I think the plan is to build a further 600 for Europe. > There will be no shortage of supply!!!!! :))) Sorry to spread misinformation. The woman really did say they had "the last ones that they will ever make." -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24755; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:38:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:38:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E0705228A@ksopsitexng.primediabusiness.com> From: "Zola, Joanne" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:37:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ya'll, I've been lurking for about a year now...and i finally feel the need to post! I've been working at Mix and Electronic Musician Magazines for over 10 years. And, we launched a new magazine over 2 years ago dedicated to dance music production and DJ performance, Remix. Chekc out: www.remixmag.com Our readers are a lot like y'all. Remix Subscribers are: Active Musicians 72% own a home studio Computer is the primary instrument 78% perform live 24% are full-time professional musicians 36% are part-time professional musicians 51% have studied music formally 58% are 20-30 years old I'd be happy to send an issue to anyone who wants to check Remix out. Just send me an email offline with your address. or, you can subscribe online and get a Free Sample CD from EastWest, Ilio or Big Fish @ www.remixfiles.com Not a bad incentive for $19 subscription. happy reading... -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Are these magazines any better than Keyboard and Electronic musician? I subscribed to them both, but have to hide them under my mattress, so my mom doesn't catch me looking at them :> Is there any contemporary music magazine out there that isn't devoted to gear porn or catering to the 'fan/dj' with little worthwhile content? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > A good starting point could be Computer Music magazine. It also has a cd-rom > included with some free samples and sometimes some free software (both for > pc and mac). For something more general 'bout musical instruments (and > computers) you can go take a look to Mix and to Future Music. Both have cds > included with samples. > Regarding recording techniques you can take a look to The Mix and to EQ > magazines. If you are more interested in keyboards you can look for Keyboard > Magazine. For a simpler approach you can read Home Recording. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. > > > But as Andrew pointed > > > out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > > > > > > > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X is just super fast > > processing speed and low latency? again, when i say > > "new to this" i mean really new...the terminology even > > falls above my head on most of this stuff, but i'm > > trying to educate myself as much as possible to make > > the best decission for what i'm hoping to do. > > > > speaking of which, are their any recommended sites or > > magazines designed for someone like me trying to catch > > up with the technology? i'm looking for something > > that will have a minimal amount of implied previous > > knowledge. i'm not abc any more, but i'm certainly > > not at the level of using acronyms all over the place either. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:51:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26258; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:50:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:50:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E0705228C@ksopsitexng.primediabusiness.com> From: "Zola, Joanne" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: FW: FW: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:48:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a response direct from Carillon re: thier computer systems. email Gil for more info. -----Original Message----- From: Gil Griffith [mailto:gil@wavedistribution.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:08 PM To: Zola, Joanne Cc: bill@CarillonUSA.com Subject: Re: FW: O.T. Computers I disagree. You get: P4 with 850 (not 845) chipset 800 mHz RAMBUS (not 133 SDRAM) 2 new Seagate hard drives in QuietPC enclosures, 5 year warranty dual-monitor video card Carillon AC-1 kick-ass drop-dead gorgeous rack-mount chassis, built like the proverbial brick sh*t house. The chassis alone would sell for $500, or $199 less than the Marathon rack-mount Mac chassis, which is no where near as nice, cool, or sexy. And our chassis is so quiet you won't even know it's turned on unless you look at the screen. 5000 (!) professionally recorded (through a Neve) samples convertted to 24 bit digital though Apogee AD8000 converters, and the application (Loop Station) to audition them, choose the ones you like, and drop them right into your application for immediate use. This feature alone is worth over $500. Emagic Zap file compression utility Cakewalk Pyro CD/MP3 burning software Carillon Help, application-specific, as HTML code right on the hard rive for instant access (no need for Adobe Acrobat) Carillon How software, as above Carillon Fix Virtual On-Site software allowing for remote troubleshooting and repair over the internet or phone line. Nortin charges $99 for their equivalent, known as PC Anywhere. Keyboard with application-specific shortcut stickers. 3 year warranty. Apple charges $249 for this. Tech Support provided by actual musicians familiar with your application - priceless. Let's add it up... Dell P4 in plain-vanilla chassis - $899 Carillon rack chassis - $500 Loop Station - $500 Emagic Zap, Cakewalk Pyro - $79 Virtual OnSite service app - $99 3 year warranty - $249 total - $2326 comparable rack-mounted 2 gHz G4 PowerMac - $3699!!!!!!!! Maybe I should raise my prices!! :) -gil On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 06:33 PM, Zola, Joanne wrote: > counter-point > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > I've been totally drooling over those boxes, but there are >so< > expensive > for what you get. > > The level III barebones unit - the only one that has a P4 with > non-PC133 ram > is $2,100, with no soundcard, running windows 98(!!). That's macintosh > pricing!! > > For that price, you could buy a the same pc as a kit, and one of those > silent enclosures for all your noisy gear. Hmmm.... > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Lindauer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:14 PM > Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > > >> Hi Bill- >> >> You might want to check these guys out: >> >> http://www.carillonusa.com >> >> They're PCs built for audio, and you can buy them pre-configured for a >> number of audio applications, without all of the cute extras of other >> pre-built systems. The nice thing is, you won't have to figure out >> which tiny check box is screwing up your musical experience. >> >> I have a friend (some of you may know him as Ryan, as the soundman from >> Loopstock) who puts together audio PC systems as a side-job, and he >> says >> that he'll never build another PC from scratch now that these are >> available. >> >> I just ordered the Barebones Two model :) There's a 4-week lead time, >> BTW. >> >> -Hans >> >> P.S. SCSI drive are really loud - I'd stay away. >> >> >>> Subject: O.T. Computers >>> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) >>> To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. >>> BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from >>> the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I >>> eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank >>> you all. Bill/Las Vegas >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 17:56:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26729; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:53:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ehdanilo@pop.erdbeerhund.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:52:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Danilo Rometsch Subject: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, is it true that Gibson discontinued the production of the Digital Echoplex Pro? I am waiting for the machine to come to the german market for about 1,5 years now... Alternatives? The Repeater? Danilo -- _________________________________ funky jazzy Pop'N'Groove: MISSIS RAINTOWN missis@missisraintown.com www.missisraintown.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 18:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29128; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:04:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c1e1a4$b4e6df40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:03:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No- this message just arrived from Andy Ewen - andy.ewen@btinternet.com -who works for the company currently producing the EDP- quote: For everyone's information, I'm in the middle of building a production run of 130 Echoplexes, the PCBs are finished and tested, just needing to be put into chassis and then soaked for 24 hours. After this I think the plan is to build a further 600 for Europe. There will be no shortage of supply!!!!! :))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danilo Rometsch" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? > Hello, > > is it true that Gibson discontinued the production of the Digital > Echoplex Pro? I am waiting for the machine to come to the german > market for about 1,5 years now... > > Alternatives? The Repeater? > > Danilo > > -- > _________________________________ > funky jazzy Pop'N'Groove: > MISSIS RAINTOWN > missis@missisraintown.com > www.missisraintown.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 18:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28905; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:02:45 -0400 From: Bill Cummings Subject: Re: O.T. Computers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005b01c1e1a4$9c693030$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> <000401c1e139$520f3b80$1e2e2697@o4z6b8> <3CB5F589.2094031@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hahahaha, they didn't make 486's till 92/93 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > Well, if it's tone your looking for, you are probably best using an > underclocked 486 (from '86- to '89), with no more than 4 megs of ram. You > can't buy them any more, but there are two in my garage that I'm willing to > part with for an exorbitant amount of money. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in my > > opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating Point > Unit > > floats. > > > > Mark > > > > Luigi Meloni wrote: > > > > > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my > notebook > > > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use > WDM > > > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > > > > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not > saying > > > Apple > > > > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to > your > > > PC > > > > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. > That's > > > > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > > > > > > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > > > > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil > empire" > > > > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to > many > > > Ayn > > > > > Rand books... > > > > > > > > > > > > > and for this question... > > > > > > > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would > never > > > have > > > > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the > beast? > > > What > > > > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive > > > unit, > > > > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of > > > software > > > > > will 'never go away'? > > > > > > > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > > > price/features > > > > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 > ms, > > > > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound > set, > > > does > > > > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. > Was > > > the > > > > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will > NEVER > > > write > > > > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I > give > > > up > > > > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and > to > > > DV, > > > > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at > > > work. > > > > > > > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot > > > into OS > > > > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's > > > still > > > > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > > > > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a > > > used > > > > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 18:09:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29615; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: FW: O.T. Computers Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FW: O.T. Computers Thread-Index: AcHhoraR526ffaikT+W3BkJUPmjzYAAAazsQ From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA29466 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm. Salesman's logic. Not to bash, but, if I am to buy this argument, then it should work in reverse... Carillon Barebones III PC: $2,100 minus Loop Station software (don't need it): -$500 minus Virtual OnSite Service app (not essential): -$99 minus Cakewalk Pyro (have other app): -$79 New Cost: $1,422. I'd buy one at that price. Also, you can't throw in the $249 warrantee cost that Apple charges on top of a Dell PC, which comes with a $139 3-year warrantee. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Zola, Joanne [mailto:JZola@primediabusiness.com] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:49 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: FW: FW: O.T. Computers Here's a response direct from Carillon re: thier computer systems. email Gil for more info. -----Original Message----- From: Gil Griffith [mailto:gil@wavedistribution.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:08 PM To: Zola, Joanne Cc: bill@CarillonUSA.com Subject: Re: FW: O.T. Computers I disagree. You get: P4 with 850 (not 845) chipset 800 mHz RAMBUS (not 133 SDRAM) 2 new Seagate hard drives in QuietPC enclosures, 5 year warranty dual-monitor video card Carillon AC-1 kick-ass drop-dead gorgeous rack-mount chassis, built like the proverbial brick sh*t house. The chassis alone would sell for $500, or $199 less than the Marathon rack-mount Mac chassis, which is no where near as nice, cool, or sexy. And our chassis is so quiet you won't even know it's turned on unless you look at the screen. 5000 (!) professionally recorded (through a Neve) samples convertted to 24 bit digital though Apogee AD8000 converters, and the application (Loop Station) to audition them, choose the ones you like, and drop them right into your application for immediate use. This feature alone is worth over $500. Emagic Zap file compression utility Cakewalk Pyro CD/MP3 burning software Carillon Help, application-specific, as HTML code right on the hard rive for instant access (no need for Adobe Acrobat) Carillon How software, as above Carillon Fix Virtual On-Site software allowing for remote troubleshooting and repair over the internet or phone line. Nortin charges $99 for their equivalent, known as PC Anywhere. Keyboard with application-specific shortcut stickers. 3 year warranty. Apple charges $249 for this. Tech Support provided by actual musicians familiar with your application - priceless. Let's add it up... Dell P4 in plain-vanilla chassis - $899 Carillon rack chassis - $500 Loop Station - $500 Emagic Zap, Cakewalk Pyro - $79 Virtual OnSite service app - $99 3 year warranty - $249 total - $2326 comparable rack-mounted 2 gHz G4 PowerMac - $3699!!!!!!!! Maybe I should raise my prices!! :) -gil On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 06:33 PM, Zola, Joanne wrote: > counter-point > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > I've been totally drooling over those boxes, but there are >so< > expensive > for what you get. > > The level III barebones unit - the only one that has a P4 with > non-PC133 ram > is $2,100, with no soundcard, running windows 98(!!). That's macintosh > pricing!! > > For that price, you could buy a the same pc as a kit, and one of those > silent enclosures for all your noisy gear. Hmmm.... > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Lindauer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:14 PM > Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > > >> Hi Bill- >> >> You might want to check these guys out: >> >> http://www.carillonusa.com >> >> They're PCs built for audio, and you can buy them pre-configured for a >> number of audio applications, without all of the cute extras of other >> pre-built systems. The nice thing is, you won't have to figure out >> which tiny check box is screwing up your musical experience. >> >> I have a friend (some of you may know him as Ryan, as the soundman from >> Loopstock) who puts together audio PC systems as a side-job, and he >> says >> that he'll never build another PC from scratch now that these are >> available. >> >> I just ordered the Barebones Two model :) There's a 4-week lead time, >> BTW. >> >> -Hans >> >> P.S. SCSI drive are really loud - I'd stay away. >> >> >>> Subject: O.T. Computers >>> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) >>> To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. >>> BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from >>> the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I >>> eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank >>> you all. Bill/Las Vegas >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 18:12:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30137; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:11:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:11:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB608FB.C87E623C@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:06:51 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #231 References: <200204112140.RAA25376@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try TapeOp Magazine - www.tapeop.com -Hans > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:20:11 -0700 > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > To: > > Is there any contemporary music magazine out there that isn't devoted to > gear porn or catering to the 'fan/dj' with little worthwhile content? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 18:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30520; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:14:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.be88963.29e7647d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:13:17 EDT Subject: mags Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16f.be88963.29e7647d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <7HY1iC.A.bcH.jqgt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16f.be88963.29e7647d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/02 5:39:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JZola@primediabusiness.com writes: > 58% are 20-30 years old > dang.....another group i dont fit into.....michael k --part1_16f.be88963.29e7647d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/02 5:39:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JZola@primediabusiness.com writes:


58% are 20-30 years old


dang.....another group i dont fit into.....michael k --part1_16f.be88963.29e7647d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 18:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31181; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:21:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:21:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB60C1E.1E0C1153@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:20:14 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? References: <200204112103.RAA19508@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dave- The EDP will do this, if you use multiple loops and the proper quantization settings. See Kim's message from the archives for the basics of where to start: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200107/msg00490.html It's just a matter of adding a MIDI sequencer of some type, and you're in business. A search of the archives for "samplerstyle" may reveal other pertinent info. The Repeater will do the same type of thing, but with it you're limited to four loops as opposed to the EDP's nine. However, you can play all four loops at once if you wish. I think the DL4 will also allow you have four synchronous loops. Anyone? -Hans > Greetings, loopers...I've been satisfied for a long while with a single > 10-sec delay line with foot-pedal input volume and feedback control for my > Min.Daily Req. of looped audio. But lately, I've been fantasizing about > having multiple delay lines available, with their delay times sync'ed and > their output sequenced so that instead of all sounding simultaneously, some > kind of audio router or sequencer would cycle between their outputs, also > in sync with the delay time...in other words, delay lines with timed gaps > in their output that could be syncronised so that when one is off, another > is on, etc... > No doubt this is a rudimentary looper's wish, already more than fulfilled > with the edp or repeater, but I've kinda been overwhelmed with the length > and complexity of the disussions on these devices so far, and haven't > noticed that anybody is talking about using them in exactly this way. Am I > wrong? Anybody have any suggestions on how to do this? I've been imagining > that a Kyma system, or a Switchblade plus computer sequencer, could do it > easily, but is it necessary to spend so much? > Appreciate any ponters! > Thanks... > David Coffin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 18:23:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31264; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:22:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:22:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: WWWOT Re: Carillon Audio Systems (long) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:21:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 22:21:55.0170 (UTC) FILETIME=[497B7420:01C1E1A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >P4 with 850 (not 845) chipset > >800 mHz RAMBUS (not 133 SDRAM) > As I mentioned, most of the offerings are running 133 sdram - this was the only "unbundled' one I could find that didn't. This generally a cost cutting effort to put P4 on the label, though the speed benefits are doubtful and a 133 sdram motherboard will be un-upgradeable and stuck in the dark ages in less than 6 months. >2 new Seagate hard drives in QuietPC enclosures, 5 year warranty > >dual-monitor video card >Carillon AC-1 kick-ass drop-dead gorgeous rack-mount chassis, built like the proverbial brick sh*t house. The chassis alone would sell for >$500, or $199 less than the Marathon rack-mount Mac chassis, which is no where near as nice, cool, or sexy. And our chassis is so quiet you >won't even know it's turned on unless you look at the screen. Yes, this is very nice. I can appreciate a machine built from the ground up. >5000 (!) professionally recorded (through a Neve) samples convertted to 24 bit digital though Apogee AD8000 converters, and the application >(Loop Station) to audition them, choose the ones you like, and drop them right into your application for immediate use. This feature alone is >worth over $500. Or you could pick up the Decker 10,000 samples for 30 bucks - definitely worth the price, if you are into samples. Without know who did the sampling, and what they sample , it's hard to know what this is worth, and especially if it the bulk are musically relevant to the end user. The site says : "sound content is subjective, so check out a selection on this website" ut I couldn't find the samples >anywhere< on the site. >Emagic Zap file compression utility >Cakewalk Pyro CD/MP3 burning software Bundleware doesn't turn me on much. Zap compression lost it's appeal since it's not that much better than winrar with the multimedia extension turned on, there are better freeware lossless compression technology available now. Besides, I've never seen anyone use it. Do people use it? As far as Cakewalk's "Pyrocy" software - there are a ton of other offering available. Cheap, or free. >Carillon Help, application-specific, as HTML code right on the hard rive for instant access (no need for Adobe Acrobat) >Carillon How software, as above >Carillon Fix Virtual On-Site software allowing for remote troubleshooting and repair over the internet or phone line. Nortin charges $99 for their >equivalent, known as PC Anywhere. But you can use norton anywhere you want, not just to have a technician go through your files. (BTW the free win2k terminal server is much easier to use than Norton's as long as you are networked and running win2k server) >3 year warranty. Apple charges $249 for this. > >Tech Support provided by actual musicians familiar with your application - priceless. > I don't know. Sales support provided by actual musicians at guitar center leaves a lot to be desired :> I think I'm becoming very skeptical regarding support options on my old age, but I'm sure it would be of use to the average user. >Let's add it up... >Dell P4 in plain-vanilla chassis - $899 >Carillon rack chassis - $500 >Loop Station - $500 >Emagic Zap, Cakewalk Pyro - $79 >Virtual OnSite service app - $99 >3 year warranty - $249 > >total - $2326 > >comparable rack-mounted 2 gHz G4 PowerMac - $3699!!!!!!!! > Maybe you should compare oranges to oranges and not apples :> Macs are totally overpriced. So are Dells, for that matter - I wouldn't buy one myself, though I'm sitting here surrounded by them, waiting for them to finsih processing as we speak :> Dells also come with full tech support. You can't order them without it, even if you don't want it. I agree. This is a primo machine, and probably worth the extra $1000 for how it's put together. But it does cost more than the competition (not Dell, and Apple though) I could put one together for considerably less but most people probably couldn't, and would appreciate the tech support. It looks like a great product. If don't have cash and time to spare though, there are other options. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 19:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04621; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c1e1b3$5ce6a6e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <027001c1e1a0$a0d95860$7502a8c0@digex.net> Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:48:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It doesn't sound like it's you spreading bad info... It sounds like it's Alto Music. I think Andy should call them personally and tell them to cool the lame sales tactics. But hey, that's just me. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vance Gloster" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Ewen" > > For everyone's information, I'm in the middle of building a production run > > of 130 Echoplexes, the PCBs are finished and tested, just needing to be > put > > into chassis and then soaked for 24 hours. > > After this I think the plan is to build a further 600 for Europe. > > There will be no shortage of supply!!!!! :))) > > Sorry to spread misinformation. The woman really did say they had "the last > ones that they will ever make." > > -Vance > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 19:50:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05159; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:50:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:55:40 +0200 Subject: Repeater From: Troissoeur To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody out there. I have some problems with the "time keeping" while using the repeater. I have a Behringer CFB 1010 footcontroll to controll all functions. When I start using the pitchcontrol for example track 1 I pitch 1 octave Below, track 2, 1 octave up, track 3, 1 fith below... I keep on doing this For a short period of time, when I change all tracks back to the original pitch, there occurs some time problems. The loop isn't into the groove anymore. It's because the pitch changements of course. But isn't there a way to control the pitch "extremely" without affecting the time Please help Pieter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 20:07:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08018; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c1e1b5$dd92cc40$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: Subject: Best multichannel solution Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:06:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, For doing live multiple simultaneous synchronized loops, what is the best solution? I want to be able to lay down several parts sequentially live, then drop out some of them and insert other parts. I know some folks are syncronizing several Echoplexes together to do something similar. Is that the best solution available today? Even including a computer using looping software? -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 20:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09004; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:19:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:19:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB62810.990AC553@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:19:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best multichannel solution References: <004801c1e1b5$dd92cc40$7502a8c0@digex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you could brother synch a few edps together, but that would be a lot of money at $650 each. Repeaters will do four mono tracks per loop, and they go for $500. Mark Vance Gloster wrote: > Hi, > > For doing live multiple simultaneous synchronized loops, what is the best > solution? I want to be able to lay down several parts sequentially live, > then drop out some of them and insert other parts. I know some folks are > syncronizing several Echoplexes together to do something similar. Is that > the best solution available today? Even including a computer using looping > software? > > -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 20:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09136; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:21:07 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: Best multichannel solution In-reply-to: <004801c1e1b5$dd92cc40$7502a8c0@digex.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <20020411172107-r01050000-82320380-4D70-11D6-B0FB-D07DB39499B2-0922-010c@66.120.47.142> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 4/11/02 at 5:06 PM, vgloster@microvault.com (Vance Gloster) wrote: > Hi, > > For doing live multiple simultaneous synchronized loops, what is the best > solution? I want to be able to lay down several parts sequentially live, > then drop out some of them and insert other parts. I know some folks are > syncronizing several Echoplexes together to do something similar. Is that > the best solution available today? Even including a computer using looping > software? > > -Vance > > > Maybe you could do that with a laptop and Digital Performer using Polar. You'd probably need to set tunes up in advance though, and it would be a RAM hog. I heard a rumour that Pat Metheny was using Polar a bit like that but maybe that was just marketing hype getting lost in my brain. A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 21:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12583; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f501c1e1be$90f20320$e43c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:08:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN SIMONSON >What would be voltage controlled on the delay line? Length? How would >THAT work? What else? I'm curious. === >btw, Roger Arrick (the owner of synthesizers.com) has said he will be >making a >voltage controlled digital delay line. i'm trying to convince him to >give it a >couple meg of memory. then you could build the whole system as a >modular synth! > >Eric Williamson The oscillator that clocks the delay line is a VCO. Modulating the VCO changes the speed at which samples are stored and retrieved from memory, thus changing the delay time. Of couse, anything clocked out of RAM at a different speed than it was clocked in, will have its pitch changed. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 21:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13113; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:20:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 11 Apr 02 20:25:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:19:04 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Bill! Well that's interesting. I was thinking of something more along the lines of having a delay line "sample" and then changing the start and end points of the delay line's playback with offsets whose locations are determined by incoming CV's. Is that possible? -K >>> billfox@fast.net 04/11/02 08:08PM >>> -----Original Message----- From: KEVIN SIMONSON >What would be voltage controlled on the delay line? Length? How would >THAT work? What else? I'm curious. === >btw, Roger Arrick (the owner of synthesizers.com) has said he will be >making a >voltage controlled digital delay line. i'm trying to convince him to >give it a >couple meg of memory. then you could build the whole system as a >modular synth! > >Eric Williamson The oscillator that clocks the delay line is a VCO. Modulating the VCO changes the speed at which samples are stored and retrieved from memory, thus changing the delay time. Of couse, anything clocked out of RAM at a different speed than it was clocked in, will have its pitch changed. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 21:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13638; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:25:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c1e1c0$fe051180$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <00f501c1e1be$90f20320$e43c5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:25:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" > The oscillator that clocks the delay line is a VCO. Modulating the VCO changes > the speed at which samples are stored and retrieved from memory, thus changing > the delay time. Of couse, anything clocked out of RAM at a different speed than > it was clocked in, will have its pitch changed. If you use a very short delay and modulate the VCO with a low frequency triangle or sine wave, the resulting effect is what we call chorus. What happens is the delayed material is shifed up and down slightly in pitch and when mixed with the unshifted signal the result is much thicker harmonically. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 21:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13403; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> <022801c1e19b$ba51fb80$7502a8c0@digex.net> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:23:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does anyone know when the new OS comes out, seeing as the unit is no longer >being made? > >bIz > yes, we have a dead line now: April 24 ! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 21:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14421; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:32:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:32:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E0705228A@ksopsitexng.primediabusiness.com > References: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E0705228A@ksopsitexng.primediabusiness.com > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:32:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi Ya'll, > >I've been lurking for about a year now...and i finally feel the need to >post! > >Remix. Chekc out: www.remixmag.com > wow, Joanne, to lurk for a year before making this little probably helpfull propaganda shows quite some respect for the list, thank you! I just did a little search on the site about looping and found a nice, rather tecnical article about the Repeater. The other links looked rather like non real time looping... Do you think most readers understand (feel) the difference between mounting loops on a computer and creating them in real time as most members of this list do it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 22:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17173; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:01:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:01:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c1e193$94fb3de0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> <022801c1e19b$ba51fb80$7502a8c0@digex.net> Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:00:49 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of new o.s., will we edp owners be able to download this from aurisis.com (sp?) or the loopers-delight page? how do we go about getting it? thanks. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 22:33:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18870; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:30:55 -0400 From: JH.KNICKS@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Message-ID: <404BF4E7.1290AD7C.006DDF79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-According to Gibson US there will be no more available here in the US-Alto Music bought the remaining supply-Around 80 units. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 23:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23213; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:38:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:38:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c1e1d3$af5de580$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <404BF4E7.1290AD7C.006DDF79@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:39:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1mApAD.A.6pF.Yalt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Andy Ewen of Gibson: For everyone's information, I'm in the middle of building a production run of 130 Echoplexes, the PCBs are finished and tested, just needing to be put into chassis and then soaked for 24 hours. After this I think the plan is to build a further 600 for Europe. There will be no shortage of supply!!!!! :))) ========== I'm not sure why it aggravates me so much - but between Alto Music claiming they have the last EDP's in the US, and boneheads like JH.KNICKS reinforcing it, I've got a burr in my shoe. Make it stop!! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? > Hi-According to Gibson US there will be no more available here in the US-Alto Music bought the remaining supply-Around 80 units. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 23:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23668; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:47:17 -0700 Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <-JuwV.A.GxF.Hjlt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EXCITING! We should have a party! Or at least get together for some beers. Mark On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:23 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> Does anyone know when the new OS comes out, seeing as the unit is no >> longer >> being made? >> >> bIz >> > > yes, we have a dead line now: April 24 ! > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 11 23:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24090; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:56:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:56:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP Loop 4 Release Party Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:56:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, party at Kim's warehouse--BYO single malt scotch. Seriously, this is great news. I am just now getting my double EDP setup squared away--using the Oxygen8 to play MIDI percussion parts into the second EDP, and using an SR-16 in the MIDI out so I can start with "live" simple percussion parts and introduce full blown beats midway through. Still pretty organic--certainly spontaneous--but I look forward to changing it all around when I find out what 6.0 can do! So put me down for two. Gary -----Original Message----- Mark Sottilaro observed: EXCITING! We should have a party! Or at least get together for some beers. Mark On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:23 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> Does anyone know when the new OS comes out, seeing as the unit is no >> longer >> being made? >> >> bIz >> > > yes, we have a dead line now: April 24 ! > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 01:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28344; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412045834.99478.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EDP upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How many bottles of Glenlivet will it cost? John --- Matthias Grob wrote: > > yes, we have a dead line now: April 24 ! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 01:58:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30041; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c1e1e6$bb46edc0$712e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> <000401c1e139$520f3b80$1e2e2697@o4z6b8> <3CB5F589.2094031@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:56:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just like black cdrs against green or blue... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in my > opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating Point Unit > floats. > > Mark > > Luigi Meloni wrote: > > > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my notebook > > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use WDM > > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not saying > > Apple > > > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to your > > PC > > > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. That's > > > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > > > > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil empire" > > > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to many > > Ayn > > > > Rand books... > > > > > > > > > > and for this question... > > > > > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would never > > have > > > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the beast? > > What > > > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more expensive > > unit, > > > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of > > software > > > > will 'never go away'? > > > > > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > > price/features > > > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to 1.5 ms, > > > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound set, > > does > > > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, ever. > > > > > > > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. Was > > the > > > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will NEVER > > write > > > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I give > > up > > > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera and to > > DV, > > > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card at > > work. > > > > > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I reboot > > into OS > > > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but it's > > still > > > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the "Classic > > > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for a > > used > > > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > > > > > Mark > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 01:59:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30215; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:58:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:58:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB676B6.F71A9A5C@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:55:02 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob , kim@aurisis.com Subject: Rather urgent EDP footpedal question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6B1DsD.A.nXH.Ydnt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I've been experiencing an anomaly with my EDP footpedal, and am wondering if anyone here might have suggestions on what to do at this point. The problem is: When tapping the insert button repeatedly and quickly, the EDP occasionally goes into multiply mode, and much less occasionally engages Overdub. Also sporadically, Multiply will be completely un-responsive to the footpedal hits for several seconds at a time. This is defintiely an issue with my specific pedal; I've used a friend's pedal with exactly the same technique, and it doesn't happen at all. Neither does this happen when using the front panel buttons. I've replaced both the Insert and Overdub switches, which makes no difference. The bottom wire linking the connections for all seven switches has been replaced (with non-resistant cable), and it doesn't make a difference. The resistors have each been electronically tested, and a new resistor (accurate to within .05 of the standard value) installed on the Insert button, which makes no difference. At this point the only conceivable thing I could think of would be to replace each of the resistors on the EDP, which I'm prepared to do, but I'm wondering if anyone else has suggestions on things to look for/test. The other alternative is buying a new footpedal (assuming I even CAN buy one... does Alto have them in stock right now?), but I'd certainly prefer not to do that unless I absolutely have no other choice. The EDP is basically unplayable for me in a standard manner (or at least MY standard manner) with the current footpedal problems, so any insights, suggestions, or footpedal donations which could be offered ASAP would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 02:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31814; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:05:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:05:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1e1e7$e99d9c40$712e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20020411173228.15367.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c1e18f$28e2a700$232e2697@o4z6b8> Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:04:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I just forgot about mentioning Electronic Musician, since I can'tfind it anymore here in Italy...But it is a great mag, too. Computer Music is more devoted, well, to Computer Music (software,hardware etc), while I have learned many of the things I currently use in my job as a recording engineer from The Mix and EQ (which is from the same publisher of Guitar Player and Keyboard). Craig Anderson's columns are really great, as far as you want to go about strange recording effects. And yes, I also like some Gear Porn sometimes...:-):-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > Are these magazines any better than Keyboard and Electronic musician? I > subscribed to them both, but have to hide them under my mattress, so my mom > doesn't catch me looking at them :> > > Is there any contemporary music magazine out there that isn't devoted to > gear porn or catering to the 'fan/dj' with little worthwhile content? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luigi Meloni" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > A good starting point could be Computer Music magazine. It also has a > cd-rom > > included with some free samples and sometimes some free software (both for > > pc and mac). For something more general 'bout musical instruments (and > > computers) you can go take a look to Mix and to Future Music. Both have > cds > > included with samples. > > Regarding recording techniques you can take a look to The Mix and to EQ > > magazines. If you are more interested in keyboards you can look for > Keyboard > > Magazine. For a simpler approach you can read Home Recording. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Evan Meyers" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > > > > > > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > > Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. > > > > But as Andrew pointed > > > > out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > > > > > > > > > > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X is just super fast > > > processing speed and low latency? again, when i say > > > "new to this" i mean really new...the terminology even > > > falls above my head on most of this stuff, but i'm > > > trying to educate myself as much as possible to make > > > the best decission for what i'm hoping to do. > > > > > > speaking of which, are their any recommended sites or > > > magazines designed for someone like me trying to catch > > > up with the technology? i'm looking for something > > > that will have a minimal amount of implied previous > > > knowledge. i'm not abc any more, but i'm certainly > > > not at the level of using acronyms all over the place either. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 02:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32086; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:08:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c1e1e8$5dc469a0$712e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <3CB4D1A2.69467871@zerocrossing.net> <000401c1e139$520f3b80$1e2e2697@o4z6b8> <3CB5F589.2094031@zerocrossing.net> <005b01c1e1a4$9c693030$fe17bd18@electric71xq89> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:07:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's the reason why his are so rare and sound better. I still have an AMD 486 dx2 80Mhz that I use for midi sequences with a very old Cakewalk version and Win3.11. 8Mb of ram and it sounds great. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cummings" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:02 AM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > hahahaha, they didn't make 486's till 92/93 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > > > Well, if it's tone your looking for, you are probably best using an > > underclocked 486 (from '86- to '89), with no more than 4 megs of ram. You > > can't buy them any more, but there are two in my garage that I'm willing > to > > part with for an exorbitant amount of money. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:43 PM > > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > > > > Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in my > > > opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating > Point > > Unit > > > floats. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > Luigi Meloni wrote: > > > > > > > That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my > > notebook > > > > and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can use > > WDM > > > > drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > > > > > > No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not > > saying > > > > Apple > > > > > is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware to > > your > > > > PC > > > > > you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. > > That's > > > > > pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like religion. > > > > > > > > > > CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil > > empire" > > > > > > thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to > > many > > > > Ayn > > > > > > Rand books... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and for this question... > > > > > > > > > > > If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would > > never > > > > have > > > > > > it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the > > beast? > > > > What > > > > > > would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more > expensive > > > > unit, > > > > > > considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind of > > > > software > > > > > > will 'never go away'? > > > > > > > > > > > > The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > > > > price/features > > > > > > deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to > 1.5 > > ms, > > > > > > ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample sound > > set, > > > > does > > > > > > Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, > ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture card. > > Was > > > > the > > > > > best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will > > NEVER > > > > write > > > > > an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if I > > give > > > > up > > > > > another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera > and > > to > > > > DV, > > > > > since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card > at > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I > reboot > > > > into OS > > > > > 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but > it's > > > > still > > > > > very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the > "Classic > > > > > environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look for > a > > > > used > > > > > high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 02:58:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01461; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:51:40 -0700 Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004c01c1e1e8$5dc469a0$712e2697@o4z6b8> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best thing about older PCs was they used to sometimes have "Turbo" buttons that would feed the exhaust back into the processor and you'd get a great kind of flanging tone from it. Mark On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 11:07 PM, Luigi Meloni wrote: > That's the reason why his are so rare and sound better. I still have an > AMD > 486 dx2 80Mhz that I use for midi sequences with a very old Cakewalk > version > and Win3.11. 8Mb of ram and it sounds great. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Cummings" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > >> hahahaha, they didn't make 486's till 92/93 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:13 PM >> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers >> >> >>> >>> Well, if it's tone your looking for, you are probably best using an >>> underclocked 486 (from '86- to '89), with no more than 4 megs of ram. > You >>> can't buy them any more, but there are two in my garage that I'm >>> willing >> to >>> part with for an exorbitant amount of money. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers >>> >>> >>>> Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in > my >>>> opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating >> Point >>> Unit >>>> floats. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> Luigi Meloni wrote: >>>> >>>>> That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my >>> notebook >>>>> and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can > use >>> WDM >>>>> drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers >>>>> >>>>>> No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not >>> saying >>>>> Apple >>>>>> is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware > to >>> your >>>>> PC >>>>>> you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. >>> That's >>>>>> pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like > religion. >>>>>> >>>>>> CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil >>> empire" >>>>>>> thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to >>> many >>>>> Ayn >>>>>>> Rand books... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and for this question... >>>>>> >>>>>>> If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would >>> never >>>>> have >>>>>>> it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the >>> beast? >>>>> What >>>>>>> would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more >> expensive >>>>> unit, >>>>>>> considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind > of >>>>> software >>>>>>> will 'never go away'? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best >>>>> price/features >>>>>>> deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to >> 1.5 >>> ms, >>>>>>> ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample > sound >>> set, >>>>> does >>>>>>> Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, >> ever. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture > card. >>> Was >>>>> the >>>>>> best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will >>> NEVER >>>>> write >>>>>> an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if > I >>> give >>>>> up >>>>>> another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera >> and >>> to >>>>> DV, >>>>>> since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card >> at >>>>> work. >>>>>> >>>>>> So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I >> reboot >>>>> into OS >>>>>> 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but >> it's >>>>> still >>>>>> very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the >> "Classic >>>>>> environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look > for >> a >>>>> used >>>>>> high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 03:07:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03309; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:06:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:06:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1e1f0$63674f00$432e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: O.T. Computers Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:05:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How right ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > The best thing about older PCs was they used to sometimes have "Turbo" > buttons that would feed the exhaust back into the processor and you'd > get a great kind of flanging tone from it. > > Mark > > On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 11:07 PM, Luigi Meloni wrote: > > > That's the reason why his are so rare and sound better. I still have an > > AMD > > 486 dx2 80Mhz that I use for midi sequences with a very old Cakewalk > > version > > and Win3.11. 8Mb of ram and it sounds great. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Cummings" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:02 AM > > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > > > >> hahahaha, they didn't make 486's till 92/93 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:13 PM > >> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Well, if it's tone your looking for, you are probably best using an > >>> underclocked 486 (from '86- to '89), with no more than 4 megs of ram. > > You > >>> can't buy them any more, but there are two in my garage that I'm > >>> willing > >> to > >>> part with for an exorbitant amount of money. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:43 PM > >>> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > >>> > >>> > >>>> Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in > > my > >>>> opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating > >> Point > >>> Unit > >>>> floats. > >>>> > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> Luigi Meloni wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> That is the reason why i still use Win98se. I've got WinMe on my > >>> notebook > >>>>> and I think it sucks. The only good thing in it is the fact it can > > use > >>> WDM > >>>>> drivers, which in cakewalk products allow a very little latency. > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" > >>>>> To: > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:58 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > >>>>> > >>>>>> No offense taken. I have Macs and PCs and drive a Golf. I'm not > >>> saying > >>>>> Apple > >>>>>> is without sin, but when I hear that every time you add hardware > > to > >>> your > >>>>> PC > >>>>>> you've got to get a new serial number to run Windows XP, I cringe. > >>> That's > >>>>>> pretty damn evil. I like this debate, but it's a lot like > > religion. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey I drive a Saturn and use a PC? What does that mean? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mark I meant no disrespect by my last message. That whole "evil > >>> empire" > >>>>>>> thing just gets under my skin sometimes...maybe I've read one to > >>> many > >>>>> Ayn > >>>>>>> Rand books... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and for this question... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I had a peice of gear that would only run on OS 9, and would > >>> never > >>>>> have > >>>>>>> it's drivers upgraded ever, what would you recomend to house the > >>> beast? > >>>>> What > >>>>>>> would be the cheapest option? What would I get from a more > >> expensive > >>>>> unit, > >>>>>>> considering that I will never be able to upgrade it? What kind > > of > >>>>> software > >>>>>>> will 'never go away'? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The gear in question is a Korg Oasys card. Probably the best > >>>>> price/features > >>>>>>> deal ever - more powerful than a Digi farm card, latency down to > >> 1.5 > >>> ms, > >>>>>>> ASIO, ADAT I/O, comes with more than half the Triton sample > > sound > >>> set, > >>>>> does > >>>>>>> Z1 style synthesis, awesome AD/DA, but no support, no drivers, > >> ever. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Well, here's the deal. I've got an Aurora Fuse video capture > > card. > >>> Was > >>>>> the > >>>>>> best I could afford at the time. Aurora has stated that they will > >>> NEVER > >>>>> write > >>>>>> an OSX driver for it. They will give me their Igniter card... if > > I > >>> give > >>>>> up > >>>>>> another $500. Frankly, at that point, I'd sooner get a DV camera > >> and > >>> to > >>>>> DV, > >>>>>> since I'm using Final Cut Pro anyway, and have the Igniter RT card > >> at > >>>>> work. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So.... When I need to capture analog video, or record in DP3, I > >> reboot > >>>>> into OS > >>>>>> 9. It's a pretty good OS, all in all. Sure, OSX is better, but > >> it's > >>>>> still > >>>>>> very new. I'm impressed at how little I've got to launch the > >> "Classic > >>>>>> environment" these days. If you really need a Mac box, I'd look > > for > >> a > >>>>> used > >>>>>> high end G3 or low end G4 and just stick to OS 9.2 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mark > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 03:39:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04351; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:32:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:32:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c1e1c1$e17c6c10$17f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <404BF4E7.1290AD7C.006DDF79@aol.com> <00c201c1e1d3$af5de580$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:32:15 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i may be stepping on toes with this and i apologize, but i don't think comments like this: "...boneheads like JH.KNICKS..." are necessary. if nothing else, they don't foster a welcoming environment. lets be nice and give mr. knicks the benefit of the doubt, politely correct the mistake, and carry on as if nothing really serious has occurred...because it hasn't. alto music comes across as a reputable and upstanding dealer, but it's safe to say that one generally shouldn't take a music store's word for much of anything. if alto music is misleading their customers, it may be that they bought a whole bunch of edp's and are now attempting to get rid of them. perhaps they too are mistaken. i'm not saying it's o.k., but it surely isn't mr. knicks fault. respect, -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 04:43:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07915; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:36:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:36:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412083607.55286.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004b01c1e1c1$e17c6c10$17f8c440@g0wn7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI... JHKNICKS has identified himself in the past as "Jon from Alto Music". I've always assumed that he is the owner or manager. He did post this awhile back..... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200203/msg01086.html John --- Jimmy Fowler wrote: > i may be stepping on toes with this and i apologize, > but i don't think > comments like this: > > "...boneheads like JH.KNICKS..." > > are necessary. if nothing else, they don't foster a > welcoming environment. > lets be nice and give mr. knicks the benefit of the > doubt, politely correct > the mistake, and carry on as if nothing really > serious has > occurred...because it hasn't. > > alto music comes across as a reputable and > upstanding dealer, but it's safe > to say that one generally shouldn't take a music > store's word for much of > anything. if alto music is misleading their > customers, it may be that they > bought a whole bunch of edp's and are now attempting > to get rid of them. > perhaps they too are mistaken. i'm not saying it's > o.k., but it surely > isn't mr. knicks fault. > > respect, > > -jim > > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 05:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12083; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB6AC31.6F9C0A6A@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:43:13 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sequencing loops in Repeater References: <200204111937.PAA07516@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a word - "yes". The Repeater outputs continuous control messages for each knob, which can be recorded, and played back. You'll need to set your sequencer to not echo midi messages, otherwise you'll get a midi loop (cause Repeater doesn't respond to "local off" messages like most synths do ????) BTW, I noticed something rather disconcerting while trying this. My Repeater sends timing clock messages even when "stopped". Is this normal behavior? Elby ------------------- One more Repeater question: (until I loop back around again) I understand from the PDF manual that you can't sequence loops with Repeater alone, except by manual triggering, and that must be done prior to the transition point because of the delay calling up the next loop. Now I understand you can use an external sequencer to change the loops by using Program Bank control messages within a sequence to which the Repeater is synced. Does the Repeater output these program change messages so that you can record them back into the sequencer ? Is there any other way other than using a software sequencer or the program change knobs on a keyboard to obtain these messages to record onto a hardware sequencer ? I want to be able to use an older Yamaha QX5 or QX21 (I have both) to sync to and automate the loop playback. Excuse if this is old news and I should have searched the archives..... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 05:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12301; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:40:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB6ACC9.EE4A434B@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:45:46 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reply from maillist page? References: <200204111937.PAA07516@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <61UDCD.A.4_C.ctqt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I went to the LD page today to cruise through some recent posts. I intended to reply to a post from the page, but couldn't find a "reply" button on the message page .... and I *just* got new glasses Am I missing something? That would certainly be a convenient feature, if it's not currently supported. Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 06:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14500; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:06:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:06:19 +0100 Subject: 'stretchy' loops (was An Oxymoron Replies) From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Steve Lawson really turned me onto the idea of playing really long loops that 'hint' at metricity and then memorizing the loops until one can play against them. Since getting turned on to this cool concept (I think he played one loop for 17 hours while he did e-mail and farted around his house until he had every 'event' of the loop memorized) I have been experimenting with the whole idea of stretching time within a fixed loop length.<<< I've been doing this again recently with Lafosse-ised glitch fest loops, playing random noisy messy loops, dropping bits in and out with the insert function on my EDP, and then listening to it till I can properly 'harmonise' it (I use the concept of harmony in the loosest sense, but they lines are rhythmically consonant...) I was rather lucky that as soon as I started playing solo the concept of stretching time within loops seemed to me to yet another low maintainance way of letting looped music 'breath' and of taking away that aspect of thing being 'wrong' by not having an absolute metric measurement of timing - instead, having a relative sense of 'space' and phrasing between the notes and the different sections within the loop... Interestingly enough, the tune of mine that I guess delved deepest into this is a tune called 'No More Us And Them', the title of which came about after a conversation with Rick about the Dalai Lama... :o) What goes around comes around. One of the other spin offs of working on rhythm from a 'control and awareness' point of view rather than having metronomic time as your absolute reference is that when playing Hip-hop/UK Garage/Drum 'n' Bass and Latin rhythms where the beats are displaced. Two of the three sessions I've had this week have required a non-metronomic reading of rhythm, the first was a hip-hop remix track, and the second a whole slew of UK Garage/R 'n' B type grooves... ...and I still can't work out what Pino is doing on D'Angelo's Voodoo album!!! big love Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (new CD with serious DL4 loopage available to listen and order here...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 06:58:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16956; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:57:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:57:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.130.220.5] From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:56:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E1D6.10D2B5A0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 10:56:49.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF16EF70:01C1E210] Resent-Message-ID: <0vnVlD.A.zIE.Q2rt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E1D6.10D2B5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very nicely said, Jimmy. I first learned about Alto Music nearly two years ago when everyone here = was in a frenzy about the Repeater getting ready to ship (remember that? = alas, some of us had to settle for the Againinator in our disappointment)= :-) Anyway, I got on the Alto buy list after finding out what their pric= e would be and, since then, I've bought almost all of my stuff from them.= They have really fabulous prices and they've always been upfront with me= and fair, I thought. In fact, about a month ago, I bought one of those slick 6 string Yamaha J= ohn Myung basses from them (cause I wanna be like Steve Lawson when I gro= w up). Anyway, gorgeous bass, but it came in damaged. I had never needed = any sort of follow-up customer service from Alto before, and so I thought= it would be interesting to find out what they'd do. Well, when I called = in, I asked to speak with Jon. I found him accessible, straightforward an= d concerned about my needs. Alto got on the phone with Yamaha immediately= and I actually had a new bass direct from the Yamaha warehouse here in L= .A. before UPS had gotten by to pick up the ol, damaged bass! In short, a= lthough I was disappointed that the first bass I received was damaged, I = ended up having a really pleasant experience. (And it's a fabulous bass.) I can't imagine Jon buying 80 EDPs in one batch unless he fairly believed= he was getting the last ones. That's an awful lot of stock to carry unle= ss there's some reason for it, don't you think? Based on my direct experi= ences with Jon and his company, if he tells me that Gibson USA told him t= hey were going to be the last units, well, I believe him and I think you = all should too. Kevin P.S. Yes, I am back!!! Hello everybody! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Fowler Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? i may be stepping on toes with this and i apologize, but i don't think comments like this: "...boneheads like JH.KNICKS..." are necessary. if nothing else, they don't foster a welcoming environmen= t. lets be nice and give mr. knicks the benefit of the doubt, politely corre= ct the mistake, and carry on as if nothing really serious has occurred...because it hasn't. alto music comes across as a reputable and upstanding dealer, but it's sa= fe to say that one generally shouldn't take a music store's word for much of anything. if alto music is misleading their customers, it may be that th= ey bought a whole bunch of edp's and are now attempting to get rid of them. perhaps they too are mistaken. i'm not saying it's o.k., but it surely isn't mr. knicks fault. respect, -jimGet more from the Web. 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Very nicely sa= id, Jimmy.
 
I first learned about Alto Music = nearly two years ago when everyone here was in a frenzy about the Repeate= r getting ready to ship (remember that? alas, some of us had to settle fo= r the Againinator in our disappointment) :-) Anyway, I got on the Alto bu= y list after finding out what their price would be and, since then, I've = bought almost all of my stuff from them. They have really fabulous prices= and they've always been upfront with me and fair, I thought.
=  
In fact, about a month ago, I bought one of those slick= 6 string Yamaha John Myung basses from them (cause I wanna be like Steve= Lawson when I grow up). Anyway, gorgeous bass, but it came in damaged. I= had never needed any sort of follow-up customer service from Alto before= , and so I thought it would be interesting to find out what they'd do. We= ll, when I called in, I asked to speak with Jon. I found him accessi= ble, straightforward and concerned about my needs. Alto got on the phone = with Yamaha immediately and I actually had a new bass direct from the Yam= aha warehouse here in L.A. before UPS had gotten by to pick up the ol, da= maged bass! In short, although I was disappointed that the first bass I r= eceived was damaged, I ended up having a really pleasant experience. (And= it's a fabulous bass.)
 
I can't imagine Jon = buying 80 EDPs in one batch unless he fairly believed he was getting the = last ones. That's an awful lot of stock to carry unless there's some reas= on for it, don't you think? Based on my direct experiences with Jon and h= is company, if he tells me that Gibson USA told him they were going to be= the last units, well, I believe him and I think you all should too.
 
Kevin
 
P.S. Yes, I a= m back!!! Hello everybody!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Fowler
=
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:33= AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
Subject: Re:= Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued?
 
i m= ay be stepping on toes with this and i apologize, but i don't think
co= mments like this:

"...boneheads like JH.KNICKS..."

are nece= ssary.  if nothing else, they don't foster a welcoming environment.<= BR>lets be nice and give mr. knicks the benefit of the doubt, politely co= rrect
the mistake, and carry on as if nothing really serious has
oc= curred...because it hasn't.

alto music comes across as a reputable= and upstanding dealer, but it's safe
to say that one generally should= n't take a music store's word for much of
anything.  if alto musi= c is misleading their customers, it may be that they
bought a whole bu= nch of edp's and are now attempting to get rid of them.
perhaps they t= oo are mistaken.  i'm not saying it's o.k., but it surely
isn't m= r. knicks fault.

respect,

-jim





Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Ex= plorer download : http://explorer.msn= .com

------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E1D6.10D2B5A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 07:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16718; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:54:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:54:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:53:19 -0400 From: JH.KNICKS@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Message-ID: <7BCA4647.28F5935C.006DDF79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-Call Gil Pini at Gibson to verify what I said-100% true From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 07:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19480; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB6C420.D6CF5C5D@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:25:20 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'stretchy' loops (was An Oxymoron Replies) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, the list is talking about looping! Stop the press... One very powerful way of playing with time within loops in an EDP is setting quantize=off, and ending multiply with record. This lets you COMPLETELY redefine the length of a loop, from ANY point within that loop to ANY other point (within the initial press of multiply and the ending press of record); it lets you take any fragment within a larger loop and turn it into a new loop/cycle. Very useful for turning rubato loops into highly rhythmic ones (or vica versa!) Another thing I've been doing a lot of lately has been, as Steve suggested, taking a loop with a lot of random, abstract, seemingly arhythmic stuff in it, and then trying to deduce where the pulse would be in that, and overdubbing a very straightforward and obvious rhythmic pulse under that. And... um, let's just say this particular thread and concept will be INFINITELY more interesting and exciting to discuss on the list post-April 24. ;) Ahem.... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com Steve Lawson wrote: > > >>>Steve Lawson really turned me onto the idea of playing really long loops > that 'hint' at metricity and then memorizing the loops until one can play > against them. Since getting turned on to this cool concept (I think he > played one loop for 17 hours while he > did e-mail and farted around his house until he had every 'event' of the > loop memorized) I have been experimenting with the whole > idea of stretching time within a fixed loop length.<<< > > I've been doing this again recently with Lafosse-ised glitch fest loops, > playing random noisy messy loops, dropping bits in and out with the insert > function on my EDP, and then listening to it till I can properly 'harmonise' > it (I use the concept of harmony in the loosest sense, but they lines are > rhythmically consonant...) > > I was rather lucky that as soon as I started playing solo the concept of > stretching time within loops seemed to me to yet another low maintainance > way of letting looped music 'breath' and of taking away that aspect of thing > being 'wrong' by not having an absolute metric measurement of timing - > instead, having a relative sense of 'space' and phrasing between the notes > and the different sections within the loop... Interestingly enough, the tune > of mine that I guess delved deepest into this is a tune called 'No More Us > And Them', the title of which came about after a conversation with Rick > about the Dalai Lama... :o) What goes around comes around. > > One of the other spin offs of working on rhythm from a 'control and > awareness' point of view rather than having metronomic time as your absolute > reference is that when playing Hip-hop/UK Garage/Drum 'n' Bass and Latin > rhythms where the beats are displaced. Two of the three sessions I've had > this week have required a non-metronomic reading of rhythm, the first was a > hip-hop remix track, and the second a whole slew of UK Garage/R 'n' B type > grooves... > > ...and I still can't work out what Pino is doing on D'Angelo's Voodoo > album!!! > > big love > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk (new CD with serious DL4 loopage available to listen > and order here...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 07:54:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21986; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:52:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:52:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:48:48 -0400 From: JH.KNICKS@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Gibson Digital Echoplex Pro discontinued? Message-ID: <6F1A7DFE.73694310.006DDF79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kevin The feeling is mutual From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 09:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29358; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:35:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:35:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FW: O.T. Computers Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:34:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Woah, Pyro's only $29. -----Original Message----- From: Graham, Lindsay [mailto:lgraham@post.cis.smu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FW: O.T. Computers Hmmm. Salesman's logic. Not to bash, but, if I am to buy this argument, then it should work in reverse... Carillon Barebones III PC: $2,100 minus Loop Station software (don't need it): -$500 minus Virtual OnSite Service app (not essential): -$99 minus Cakewalk Pyro (have other app): -$79 New Cost: $1,422. I'd buy one at that price. Also, you can't throw in the $249 warrantee cost that Apple charges on top of a Dell PC, which comes with a $139 3-year warrantee. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Zola, Joanne [mailto:JZola@primediabusiness.com] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:49 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: FW: FW: O.T. Computers Here's a response direct from Carillon re: thier computer systems. email Gil for more info. -----Original Message----- From: Gil Griffith [mailto:gil@wavedistribution.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:08 PM To: Zola, Joanne Cc: bill@CarillonUSA.com Subject: Re: FW: O.T. Computers I disagree. You get: P4 with 850 (not 845) chipset 800 mHz RAMBUS (not 133 SDRAM) 2 new Seagate hard drives in QuietPC enclosures, 5 year warranty dual-monitor video card Carillon AC-1 kick-ass drop-dead gorgeous rack-mount chassis, built like the proverbial brick sh*t house. The chassis alone would sell for $500, or $199 less than the Marathon rack-mount Mac chassis, which is no where near as nice, cool, or sexy. And our chassis is so quiet you won't even know it's turned on unless you look at the screen. 5000 (!) professionally recorded (through a Neve) samples convertted to 24 bit digital though Apogee AD8000 converters, and the application (Loop Station) to audition them, choose the ones you like, and drop them right into your application for immediate use. This feature alone is worth over $500. Emagic Zap file compression utility Cakewalk Pyro CD/MP3 burning software Carillon Help, application-specific, as HTML code right on the hard rive for instant access (no need for Adobe Acrobat) Carillon How software, as above Carillon Fix Virtual On-Site software allowing for remote troubleshooting and repair over the internet or phone line. Nortin charges $99 for their equivalent, known as PC Anywhere. Keyboard with application-specific shortcut stickers. 3 year warranty. Apple charges $249 for this. Tech Support provided by actual musicians familiar with your application - priceless. Let's add it up... Dell P4 in plain-vanilla chassis - $899 Carillon rack chassis - $500 Loop Station - $500 Emagic Zap, Cakewalk Pyro - $79 Virtual OnSite service app - $99 3 year warranty - $249 total - $2326 comparable rack-mounted 2 gHz G4 PowerMac - $3699!!!!!!!! Maybe I should raise my prices!! :) -gil On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 06:33 PM, Zola, Joanne wrote: > counter-point > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:30 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: O.T. Computers > > > I've been totally drooling over those boxes, but there are >so< > expensive > for what you get. > > The level III barebones unit - the only one that has a P4 with > non-PC133 ram > is $2,100, with no soundcard, running windows 98(!!). That's macintosh > pricing!! > > For that price, you could buy a the same pc as a kit, and one of those > silent enclosures for all your noisy gear. Hmmm.... > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Lindauer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:14 PM > Subject: RE: O.T. Computers > > >> Hi Bill- >> >> You might want to check these guys out: >> >> http://www.carillonusa.com >> >> They're PCs built for audio, and you can buy them pre-configured for a >> number of audio applications, without all of the cute extras of other >> pre-built systems. The nice thing is, you won't have to figure out >> which tiny check box is screwing up your musical experience. >> >> I have a friend (some of you may know him as Ryan, as the soundman from >> Loopstock) who puts together audio PC systems as a side-job, and he >> says >> that he'll never build another PC from scratch now that these are >> available. >> >> I just ordered the Barebones Two model :) There's a 4-week lead time, >> BTW. >> >> -Hans >> >> P.S. SCSI drive are really loud - I'd stay away. >> >> >>> Subject: O.T. Computers >>> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) >>> To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> Well I'm coming out of the closet, thats right I don't own a computer. >>> BUT, I'm getting ready to purchase one and would like some advice from >>> the intelligent LD community. Whats the best bang for the buck? I >>> eventually want to use it for recording and all things musical. Thank >>> you all. Bill/Las Vegas >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 10:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00354; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006a01c1e1c0$fe051180$7502a8c0@digex.net> References: <00f501c1e1be$90f20320$e43c5cd1@-> <006a01c1e1c0$fe051180$7502a8c0@digex.net> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:23:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Fox" >> The oscillator that clocks the delay line is a VCO. Modulating the VCO >changes >> the speed at which samples are stored and retrieved from memory, thus >changing >> the delay time. Of couse, anything clocked out of RAM at a different >speed than >> it was clocked in, will have its pitch changed. > >If you use a very short delay and modulate the VCO with a low frequency >triangle or sine wave, the resulting effect is what we call chorus. What >happens is the delayed material is shifed up and down slightly in pitch and >when mixed with the unshifted signal the result is much thicker >harmonically. yes, its how the legendary PCM 42 and other digital delay lines of that time work: The memory is digital but the control of it rather analog. You dont have the option to jump arround the memory and treat loops like samples, and FB does not go straight up to 1, so the loop fades sooner or later, but you gain a more natural way to change loop time without glitches and a quality of chorus which is hard to achieve digitally. (I love to say that while sitting in PCM 24 creator Gary Hall's nice little wooden house in Alameda!) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 10:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00706; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApwbtYsn0KcIJZPtBZ3fwhqEXQO8CFAmnomLZNww576Psm6yJuuSUn3Fi From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:27:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater sale Message-ID: <22510-3CB6EED3-1104@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Musicians freind's online catolouge has got the repeater on sale for $499.00 while supplies last. Wish I had the x-tra cash. I just bought an edp. I want both. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 10:30:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01025; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:28:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:28:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:28:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >EXCITING! We should have a party! Or at least get together for some beers. > that would be nice! It seems I will be playing some bits at the concert of Rick Looppool et al on the 22 in Berkeley, so that could turn into a meeting point... >On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:23 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>>Does anyone know when the new OS comes out, seeing as the unit is no longer >>>being made? >>> >>>bIz >>> >> >>yes, we have a dead line now: April 24 ! >>-- >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 10:33:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00644; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:26:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:25:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks, Bill! > >Well that's interesting. I was thinking of something more along the >lines of having a delay line "sample" and then changing the start and >end points of the delay line's playback with offsets whose locations are >determined by incoming CV's. Is that possible? thats a different kind of technology. Reminds of Dr. Zvonars concert at LoopStock, done with Eventides... you would probably end up using some pedal input to control this, which is similar to a CV input, but digitally interpreted. > >-K > >>>> billfox@fast.net 04/11/02 08:08PM >>> >-----Original Message----- >From: KEVIN SIMONSON > >>What would be voltage controlled on the delay line? Length? How >would >>THAT work? What else? I'm curious. >=== >>btw, Roger Arrick (the owner of synthesizers.com) has said he will be >>making a >>voltage controlled digital delay line. i'm trying to convince him to >>give it a >>couple meg of memory. then you could build the whole system as a >>modular synth! >> >>Eric Williamson > >The oscillator that clocks the delay line is a VCO. Modulating the VCO >changes >the speed at which samples are stored and retrieved from memory, thus >changing >the delay time. Of couse, anything clocked out of RAM at a different >speed than >it was clocked in, will have its pitch changed. > >Cheers, > >Bill -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 10:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01598; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:33:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:33:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007601c1e193$94fb3de0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> <022801c1e19b$ba51fb80$7502a8c0@digex.net> <007601c1e193$94fb3de0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:32:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-BpWtB.A.ZX.TAvt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >speaking of new o.s., will we edp owners be able to download this from >aurisis.com (sp?) or the loopers-delight page? how do we go about getting >it? no, you will have to order it (a pair of EPROMs) and pay some $ to keep us going... Just wait, Kim will inform here correctly in time. Dont drive him crazy with questions now! ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 10:49:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02794; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Steve Lawson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:49:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EDP discontinued? Message-ID: <3CB701ED.27512.7AC355@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>In fact, about a month ago, I bought one of those slick 6 string Yamaha John Myung basses from them (cause I wanna be like Steve Lawson when I grow up).<<< ...so do I, only the grown up version this time... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 10:56:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03375; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c1e1ff$9ad07f70$29f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020411192354.43966.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> <3CB5F41A.E44E8723@zerocrossing.net> <022801c1e19b$ba51fb80$7502a8c0@digex.net> <007601c1e193$94fb3de0$0bf8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:54:05 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >no, you will have to order it (a pair of EPROMs) and pay some $ to keep us going...Just wait, Kim will inform here correctly in time. Dont drive him crazy with questions now! ;-) > -- what!? pay money for the upgrade? kidding...no sweat...i will pretend to wait patiently. thanks for the info matthias. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 11:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06681; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:37:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:37:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:36:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Rather urgent EDP footpedal question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <061401c1e237$dc877cb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3CB676B6.F71A9A5C@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i had some trouble while i was making an edp switch and it turned out to be a bad contact at the jack. 1/4" cables and jacks actually have a very small contact point for the hot signal. you might try cramolin... if you don't have any handy, you could test if this is the problem by opening the pedal case and connecting the wires directly (bypassing the jack) another thing you might try, though i think it an unlikely fix, is lifting the ground from the case (using a plastic bezel on the jack) > >... > When tapping the insert button repeatedly and quickly, the EDP > occasionally goes into multiply mode, and much less occasionally engages > Overdub. Also sporadically, Multiply will be completely un-responsive > to the footpedal hits for several seconds at a time. > ... > Many thanks, > > --Andre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 11:51:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07257; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:50:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412154929.86390.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:49:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: O.T. Computers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CB5F50E.B43DCA36@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0i8cwB.A.NwB.LIwt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > SCSI disks are supposed to be the best, but now the > > IDE disks are easily good enough, and are cheaper > > and more importantly quieter. > Is this really true? Are SCSI disks louder? No. SCSI and EIDE disks use the same HDA assembly, just a different interface card. It's the HDA that contributes the mechanical noise, so the same drive should have the same noise level regardless of what interface it's hung on. That said, perhaps the drive is able to work faster on a SCSI bus because it's not waiting around for the CPU of the system to respond to IDE commands. That's the big performance advantage of SCSI, the controller is more intelligent so it requires less of your CPU (drivers, etc) to manage the interface. That means everything on your system runs faster, even if the I/Os themselves are going the same speed. Besides, nobody's making 10k or 15k RPM IDE drives yet. I have a friend that built up a DAW not long ago. It's got a 1GHz PIII processor and a 36GB 10k Ultra160 SCSI drive for audio (a seperate slower SCSI boot drive on a different interface), running Cubase. The "system analysis" application said he could get something like 160 tracks on this system. He tested it by ripping a bunch of CDs (so the audio tracks were different) and playing them back at the same time. I think he went to 75 tracks before he got tired of copying CDs. Then he started adding plug-ins on top of it. I don't remember how much he was able to use, but it was very very impressive. You couldn't do that with an IDE setup. ATA100 is a fairly fast interface, but it still has to steal CPU cycles to do management stuff that a SCSI host adapter does for you. Plus, if you have another disk on the bus, it shares the bandwidth in a performance-unfriendly manner. Sure, it's probably "good enough" for most people's audio needs, and it's certainly cheaper for more space, but if you want maximum performance, SCSI is better. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 11:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07465; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412155049.31751.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: O.T. Computers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CB5F589.2094031@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in > my opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that Floating > Point Unit floats. HAHAHAHA! BTW, it's RISC. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 11:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07960; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Ratte'" Subject: magazines To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204112348.TAA04682@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the US, I'd go for Keyboard. The guys are pretty old-skool but definitely know their shit and have some perspective. Which is refreshing since they're not so annoyingly 'gee-whiz' about tech stuff. Electronic Musician ain't bad, but feels like it never really got the hang of the electronic thing and is playing catch-up...kinda like a harried 40-year-old cover band keyboard guy buying his first groovebox or something to 'keep up with the kids.' M2 is entry-level, kid-with-Acid, 'how to make phat beats' in 1 page junk. Computer Music does the same 'DAWs are cool, Your Guide To Sampling!" articles month after month. You pay 10 bucks or whatever for a CD full of demos and free samples you could grab off the 'net. Remix is crap. Their 'artist' interviews seem to be written by their PR person..the worst being the Jamiroquai one a couple months back...goddamn that was some terrible BJ hack shit. They had a how-to guide on ReCycle recently (the app is what, 5 years old?) that anybody who'd actually used the thing more than a half-dozen times would've known was technically wrong. Big overviews of "MixMan Plus" or whatever, WTF?! G. Ratte'/cDc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 12:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09417; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:00:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:00:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412155946.34436.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <027001c1e1a0$a0d95860$7502a8c0@digex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Vance Gloster wrote: > Sorry to spread misinformation. The woman really did say they had > "the last ones that they will ever make." She's a sales person. Need I say more? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 12:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11345; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:36:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:36:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: MIDI magic - solicitation for ideas. Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: new to LD - advice please Thread-Index: AcHiO3QvML3VE04uEdab/gBQi3KHBwAA3IHQ From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA11300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My partner in crime and noisemaking is a pretty savvy software engineer and we stumbled into a MIDI application building tool called MIDI Share ( http://www.grame.fr/MidiShare/index.html ). Out of the recent Dallas Loopers' Guild meeting (I'm very glad we got together), came an idea for a program that could spit out random (but maybe synced) MIDI commands to the Repeater (or EDP or whatever) making the beast a spontaneous collaborator in your music making. This started an avalanche of ideas: one button push activates a quick, clock-synced stutter (essentially like hitting the "Start" button over and over), pitched down in semi tones or scale tones at specific intervals. Setting up MIDI note sequences to control my Filter Factory to create pulsing, in-key (or not!) filter sequences (ala as was demonstrated in the AdrenaLinn demo). Many, many more. So, as we embark on this adventure (and we will begin this weekend), I'd love to hear some ideas from you guys as to what you might want a Big Bag MIDI Brain to do. From the description, it looks like MIDI translate, scheduling, scripting, syncing and much, much more is possible. Of course, if Trey and I come up with anything useful, we will be glad to publish our results to the Looping community. What a great use for an older PC--and I have a few lying around. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please --- Vance Gloster wrote: > Sorry to spread misinformation. The woman really did say they had > "the last ones that they will ever make." She's a sales person. Need I say more? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 12:55:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12572; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:51:58 -0400 Subject: Digitech RDS 8000 For Sale From: Ed Drake To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CB701ED.27512.7AC355@localhost> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ocGVD.A.BED.7Dxt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopers, I thought I would let the folks on the list have first crack at a Digitech Time Machine RDS8000 that I'm offering for sale. I bought it new some years ago and it's in great shape as it's been in my rack at home. I still have the box and manual. Please contact me off list and make me an offer. I live in Virginia. Thanks! Ed PS : I also have two Roland SDE 1000 rack mount digital delays (max delay time 1.2 secs each) that I'm selling as well, if any one is interested. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 13:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14566; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:08:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412170810.48141.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Repeater sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <22510-3CB6EED3-1104@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- William Mcallister wrote: > Musicians freind's online catolouge has got the repeater on sale for > $499.00 while supplies last. Wish I had the x-tra cash. I just bought > an edp. I want both. I noticed recently that all the online vendors I was looking at had Repeaters for $499. Looks like that's become the "standard price". Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 13:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15499; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:21:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB71782.24A71BB2@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:21:07 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Computers References: <20020412155049.31751.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com woops, that's what you get when you hastily spell check your email. Hee hee. Mark Greg House wrote: > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Also, the G4 RISK processor sounds a lot warmer than Intel chips, in > > my opinion. I think it has something to do with the way that > Floating > > Point Unit floats. > > HAHAHAHA! > > BTW, it's RISC. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 13:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16125; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:30:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:30:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB719AA.B7BA76DA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:30:19 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8KyJGB.A.s7D.ymxt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is a good idea, I'm already going to try and get to that show. Mark Matthias Grob wrote: > >EXCITING! We should have a party! Or at least get together for some beers. > > > > that would be nice! It seems I will be playing some bits at the > concert of Rick Looppool et al on the 22 in Berkeley, so that could > turn into a meeting point... > > >On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:23 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >>>Does anyone know when the new OS comes out, seeing as the unit is no longer > >>>being made? > >>> > >>>bIz > >>> > >> > >>yes, we have a dead line now: April 24 ! > >>-- > >> > >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 13:32:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15337; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:21:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020412172043.63373.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Rather urgent EDP footpedal question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CB676B6.F71A9A5C@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andre LaFosse wrote:> The problem is: > > When tapping the insert button repeatedly and quickly, the EDP > occasionally goes into multiply mode, and much less occasionally > engages > Overdub. Also sporadically, Multiply will be completely > un-responsive > to the footpedal hits for several seconds at a time. > > This is defintiely an issue with my specific pedal; I've used a > friend's > pedal with exactly the same technique, and it doesn't happen at all. > Neither does this happen when using the front panel buttons. > > I've replaced both the Insert and Overdub switches, which makes no > difference. > > The bottom wire linking the connections for all seven switches has > been > replaced (with non-resistant cable), and it doesn't make a > difference. > > The resistors have each been electronically tested, and a new > resistor > (accurate to within .05 of the standard value) installed on the > Insert > button, which makes no difference. > > At this point the only conceivable thing I could think of would be to > replace each of the resistors on the EDP, which I'm prepared to do, > but > I'm wondering if anyone else has suggestions on things to look > for/test. > Since multiply and overdub are higher resistance than insert (14.3K ohms Overdub, 7.87K ohms Multiply, 4.75K ohms Insert) it sounds like resistence in your path from switch contacts to the edp. Since you replaced the switches, and the switch buss wire, and that did not resolve the issue, you should check the rest of the path. Connectors like the quarter inch jack and plug at the pedal end would be very suspect. I assume you tried another know good, low resistance cable from edp to footpedal, yes? You could take the footpedal with a known good. low resistance cable plugged in, hold the insert button depressed while measuring the resistance at the other end of the cable while you move the footpedal and cable around to see if you see any change in resistance as would be caused by intermittant connection. If you can see this dropout and make it repeatable, then you can trace to it's root as you measure. I have had this probem before when I had dirty switches, but again it seems you have ruled that out. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 14:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21067; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:06:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:06:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:05:18 -0400 From: JH.KNICKS@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater sale Message-ID: <25652131.4CD491C7.006DDF79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_82kKB.A.4FF.BIyt8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-Alto Music has them for $469.99 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 14:36:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22990; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:34:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:34:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:33:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Fox" >>> The oscillator that clocks the delay line is a VCO. Modulating the VCO >> changes >>> the speed at which samples are stored and retrieved from memory, thus >> changing >>> the delay time. Of couse, anything clocked out of RAM at a different >> speed than >>> it was clocked in, will have its pitch changed. >> >> If you use a very short delay and modulate the VCO with a low frequency >> triangle or sine wave, the resulting effect is what we call chorus. What >> happens is the delayed material is shifed up and down slightly in pitch and >> when mixed with the unshifted signal the result is much thicker >> harmonically. > > yes, its how the legendary PCM 42 and other digital delay lines of > that time work: The memory is digital but the control of it rather > analog. You dont have the option to jump arround the memory and treat > loops like samples, and FB does not go straight up to 1, so the loop > fades sooner or later, but you gain a more natural way to change loop > time without glitches and a quality of chorus which is hard to > achieve digitally. > > (I love to say that while sitting in PCM 24 creator Gary Hall's nice > little wooden house in Alameda!) lucky you matthias-i was gonna try to mention something about the PCM42s ability to voltage control loop length(yeah,i used it @ loopstock), but in a few simple statements you've said what i would have stumbled w/ for a paragraph or two!!thanx say hi to for me... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 14:37:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23177; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:35:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:36:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Stretchy loops From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200204121732.NAA16395@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Andre LaFosse Great stuff, Andre, I love these techniques. Another thing I just discovered yesterday is, you can set an EDP to delay mode and get something you like happening, then, while it's playing, change to loop mode -- and the loop you created in delay mode will continue playing, only now you're in loop mode! Very good for creating something and then soloing over it. > > One very powerful way of playing with time within loops in an EDP is > setting quantize=off, and ending multiply with record. This lets you > COMPLETELY redefine the length of a loop, from ANY point within that > loop to ANY other point (within the initial press of multiply and the > ending press of record); it lets you take any fragment within a larger > loop and turn it into a new loop/cycle. Very useful for turning rubato > loops into highly rhythmic ones (or vica versa!) > > Another thing I've been doing a lot of lately has been, as Steve > suggested, taking a loop with a lot of random, abstract, seemingly > arhythmic stuff in it, and then trying to deduce where the pulse would > be in that, and overdubbing a very straightforward and obvious rhythmic > pulse under that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 15:42:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28406; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:40:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:40:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB737E4.FA141423@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:39:45 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: nobukazu takemura, plaid References: <3CB719AA.B7BA76DA@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com saw these guys at the el rey here in los angeles last night. great show, one question to anyone who knows plaid's live setup: apparently they use logic on their g4's, but had a few items in a 4-space rack and a little mackie mixer that was put to great use in fading in/out various sounds, but atop the mixer was an amazing little articulated video camera system (looked like a piece of demonic dental equipment) that would dart around robotically, sending its live signals to a rear projection system. at any given time there were up to four discrete images of the musicians in rapid, cued rotation with recorded video. all in all, a very cool effect. anyone know what this thing is? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 16:54:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00610; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:53:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:52:51 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: MIDI magic - solicitation for ideas. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06b901c1e264$02c0a0b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey! i told you i was stealing that idea! no fair stealing it back... >MIDI Share ( http://www.grame.fr/MidiShare/index.html ). have you checked out keykit? http://freshmeat.net/projects/keykit/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 18:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06976; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: magazines (was RE: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers)) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:16:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E26F.AB547250" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E26F.AB547250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The ONLY mag for me is Tape Op www.tapeop.com which is written by musicians and actually has articles with useful info. EM is OK for the refresher articles (hey we all need them from time to time) but the rest of it is one big advertorial. Tape Op is a bit more geared to the analog/indie community but the tone is always great and I have gotten some of the best tips/explanations/damn good reading from that mag. Oh, did I mention subscriptions are FREE? Ben -----Original Message----- From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) Well, I just forgot about mentioning Electronic Musician, since I can'tfind it anymore here in Italy...But it is a great mag, too. Computer Music is more devoted, well, to Computer Music (software,hardware etc), while I have learned many of the things I currently use in my job as a recording engineer from The Mix and EQ (which is from the same publisher of Guitar Player and Keyboard). Craig Anderson's columns are really great, as far as you want to go about strange recording effects. And yes, I also like some Gear Porn sometimes...:-):-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > Are these magazines any better than Keyboard and Electronic musician? I > subscribed to them both, but have to hide them under my mattress, so my mom > doesn't catch me looking at them :> > > Is there any contemporary music magazine out there that isn't devoted to > gear porn or catering to the 'fan/dj' with little worthwhile content? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luigi Meloni" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > A good starting point could be Computer Music magazine. It also has a > cd-rom > > included with some free samples and sometimes some free software (both for > > pc and mac). For something more general 'bout musical instruments (and > > computers) you can go take a look to Mix and to Future Music. Both have > cds > > included with samples. > > Regarding recording techniques you can take a look to The Mix and to EQ > > magazines. If you are more interested in keyboards you can look for > Keyboard > > Magazine. For a simpler approach you can read Home Recording. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Evan Meyers" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:32 PM > > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers) > > > > > > > > > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > > Mainly because I wanted to be running under OS X. > > > > But as Andrew pointed > > > > out, Logic 5 is still not available even for OS X. > > > > > > > > > > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X is just super fast > > > processing speed and low latency? again, when i say > > > "new to this" i mean really new...the terminology even > > > falls above my head on most of this stuff, but i'm > > > trying to educate myself as much as possible to make > > > the best decission for what i'm hoping to do. > > > > > > speaking of which, are their any recommended sites or > > > magazines designed for someone like me trying to catch > > > up with the technology? i'm looking for something > > > that will have a minimal amount of implied previous > > > knowledge. i'm not abc any more, but i'm certainly > > > not at the level of using acronyms all over the place either. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E26F.AB547250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable magazines (was RE: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers))

The ONLY mag for me is Tape Op www.tapeop.com which = is written by musicians and actually has articles with useful info. EM = is OK for the refresher articles (hey we all need them from time to = time) but the rest of it is one big advertorial.

Tape Op is a bit more geared to the analog/indie = community but the tone is always great and I have gotten some of the = best tips/explanations/damn good reading from that mag. Oh, did I = mention subscriptions are FREE?

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: Luigi Meloni [mailto:Luigimeloni74@libero.it]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:05 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. = Computers)


Well, I just forgot about mentioning Electronic = Musician, since I can'tfind
it anymore here in Italy...But it is a great mag, = too. Computer Music is
more devoted, well, to Computer Music = (software,hardware etc), while I have
learned many of the things I currently use in my job = as a recording engineer
from The Mix and EQ (which is from the same = publisher of Guitar Player and
Keyboard). Craig Anderson's columns are really = great, as far as you want to
go about strange recording effects.
And yes, I also like some Gear Porn = sometimes...:-):-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" = <ssrndpty@hotmail.com>
To: = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. = Computers)


>
> Are these magazines any better than Keyboard = and Electronic musician? I
> subscribed to them both, but have to hide them = under my mattress, so my
mom
> doesn't catch me looking at them :>
>
> Is there any contemporary music magazine out = there that isn't devoted to
> gear porn or catering to the 'fan/dj' with = little worthwhile content?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luigi Meloni" = <Luigimeloni74@libero.it>
> To: = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. = Computers)
>
>
> > A good starting point could be Computer = Music magazine. It also has a
> cd-rom
> > included with some free samples and = sometimes some free software (both
for
> > pc and mac). For something more general = 'bout musical instruments (and
> > computers) you can go take a look to Mix = and to Future Music. Both have
> cds
> > included with samples.
> > Regarding recording techniques you can = take a look to The Mix and to EQ
> > magazines. If you are more interested in = keyboards you can look for
> Keyboard
> > Magazine. For a simpler approach you can = read Home Recording.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Evan Meyers" = <evanmeyers@yahoo.com>
> > To: = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:32 = PM
> > Subject: Re: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. = Computers)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- Greg Kucharo = <telecaster@mac.com> wrote:
> > > >   Mainly because I = wanted to be running under OS X.
> > > > But as Andrew pointed
> > > > out, Logic 5 is still not = available even for OS X.
> > > >
> > >
> > > i'm guessing the advantages of OS X = is just super fast
> > > processing speed and low = latency?  again, when i say
> > > "new to this" i mean really = new...the terminology even
> > > falls above my head on most of this = stuff, but i'm
> > > trying to educate myself as much as = possible to make
> > > the best decission for what i'm = hoping to do.
> > >
> > > speaking of which, are their any = recommended sites or
> > > magazines designed for someone like = me trying to catch
> > > up with the technology?  i'm = looking for something
> > > that will have a minimal amount of = implied previous
> > > knowledge.  i'm not abc any = more, but i'm certainly
> > > not at the level of using acronyms = all over the place either.
> > >
> > > = __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing = with TurboTax
> > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E26F.AB547250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 12 19:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11640; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200204122336.g3CNa38C022052@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro discontinued? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Hi-According to Gibson US there will be no more available here in the US-Alto Music bought the remaining supply-Around 80 units." Our Gibson rep misinformed us, as well. As Andy said, there are plenty. We have a bunch on the shelf at Bananas. Rik Elswit Bananas at Large From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 00:08:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29191; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:06:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:06:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020413040615.19950.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: MIDI magic - solicitation for ideas.-->Building Blocks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1F-2O.A.sHH.466t8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you seen this? http://www.midiworld.org/AuReality/products/buildingblocks/buildingblocks.html The free demo appears to be fully functional, except for saving your work. I've been having fun just running the LFOs to my Digitech 2120. If you have a midi/cv converter, you can seriously whack out a Digitech RDS 7.6. Hmmmm, I wonder what would happen with the Vortex? I need more play time. There seems to be some serious potential for using this software with the EDP & Repeater. Does anyone in the group already use it? John --- "Graham, Lindsay" wrote: > My partner in crime and noisemaking is a pretty > savvy software engineer and we stumbled into a MIDI > application building tool called MIDI Share ( > http://www.grame.fr/MidiShare/index.html ). Out of > the recent Dallas Loopers' Guild meeting (I'm very > glad we got together), came an idea for a program > that could spit out random (but maybe synced) MIDI > commands to the Repeater (or EDP or whatever) making > the beast a spontaneous collaborator in your music > making. This started an avalanche of ideas: one > button push activates a quick, clock-synced stutter > (essentially like hitting the "Start" button over > and over), pitched down in semi tones or scale tones > at specific intervals. Setting up MIDI note > sequences to control my Filter Factory to create > pulsing, in-key (or not!) filter sequences (ala as > was demonstrated in the AdrenaLinn demo). Many, > many more. > > So, as we embark on this adventure (and we will > begin this weekend), I'd love to hear some ideas > from you guys as to what you might want a Big Bag > MIDI Brain to do. From the description, it looks > like MIDI translate, scheduling, scripting, syncing > and much, much more is possible. > > Of course, if Trey and I come up with anything > useful, we will be glad to publish our results to > the Looping community. What a great use for an > older PC--and I have a few lying around. > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:00 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please > > > --- Vance Gloster wrote: > > Sorry to spread misinformation. The woman really > did say they had > > "the last ones that they will ever make." > > She's a sales person. Need I say more? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 00:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30975; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:38:28 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Multiple, sequenced delay lines...can it be done? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:19 PM -0500 4/11/02, KEVIN SIMONSON wrote: >I was thinking of something more along the lines of having a delay >line "sample" and then changing the start and end points of the >delay line's playback with offsets whose locations are determined by >incoming CV's. Is that possible? I've done that via MIDI control on the TC2290 delay. Since the 2290 works either as a delay or as a monophonic sampler it is possible to implement this concept in a couple different ways. In delay mode the signal is passing continuously through the delay and you can move the delay tap discretely from point to point (quite different from modulating the clock). I would sometimes "chase" the sounds as they passed down the delay line, making various repeat and stutter effects. In sampling mode I would move start and end points around at will, and I could save presets as I went so as to build up a repertoire of loops that could then be recalled as I wanted them. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 00:46:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30974; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:42:37 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: magazines In-reply-to: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:55 AM -0700 4/12/02, G. Ratte' wrote: >Electronic Musician ain't bad, but feels like it never really got the hang of >the electronic thing and is playing catch-up...kinda like a harried >40-year-old cover band keyboard guy buying his first groovebox or something >to 'keep up with the kids.' EM's editorial policy includes offering a lot of instructional articles targeted at beginners and novices. That makes for a lot of ho-hum reading (or not-reading) for the rest of us, but they also include a lot of articles focusing on the avant garde. I subscribe to both Keyboard and EM (as well as CMJ and a slew of others). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 02:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03300; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:03:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:03:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c1e27e$7b521c60$17f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: magazines Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:02:18 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think cmj has gone the way of such mags as alternative press, etc. where shudder to think once graced their cover, now resides the likes of slipknot and blink 182. magnet still focuses on the good stuff, for the most part. copper press is nice but brief. i still find guitar player useful from time to time. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 09:11:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23793; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:09:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:09:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro discontinued? Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:11:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200204122336.g3CNa38C022052@well.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All the confusion arises from the closure of Trace Elliot manufacturing in January. No one at the time had any idea what would happen next and which products would still be made, if any. We all thought that we'd go our separate ways and find employment elsewhere, even in un-related industries. It would seem though, that you can't leave the music industry however hard you try and we find ourselves all working together again :) As far as I can tell, information given by all parties has been honest, it's just situations and circumstances that have changed. I couldn't possibly comment on the speed & accuracy of the Gibson press machine! Regards, Andy Ewen Echoplex Production Manager, working for Gibson via Trace Elliot via Straightedge. -----Original Message----- From: Rik Elswit [mailto:rik@well.com] Sent: 13 April 2002 00:36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro discontinued? "Hi-According to Gibson US there will be no more available here in the US-Alto Music bought the remaining supply-Around 80 units." Our Gibson rep misinformed us, as well. As Andy said, there are plenty. We have a bunch on the shelf at Bananas. Rik Elswit Bananas at Large From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 12:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01266; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:22:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:22:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:15:00 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: magazines In-reply-to: <001e01c1e27e$7b521c60$17f8c440@g0wn7> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c1e27e$7b521c60$17f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:02 AM +0100 4/13/02, Jimmy Fowler wrote: >i think cmj has gone the way of such mags as alternative press, etc. where >shudder to think once graced their cover, now resides the likes of slipknot >and blink 182. I don't think we're talking about the same CMJ. I was referring to Computer Music Journal, which is published by MIT Press. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 13:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04174; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:01:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:01:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.16c6191d.29e9bdd1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:58:57 EDT Subject: cd trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pedro felix.....did you get mine, i didnt get yours.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 13:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04544; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:11:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:11:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020413095030.00b4cfc0@pop.calicom.net> X-Sender: spidey@pop.calicom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:52:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Robert Sweetriver Bellus Subject: Berkeley event In-Reply-To: <3CB719AA.B7BA76DA@zerocrossing.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a mail server 66.81.12.149 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: sweetriver@naflute.com [66.81.12.149] X-Declude-Spoolname: D663a0c6.SMD X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Organization: Please send abuse reports to abuse@naflute.com.". Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry - I missed the first reference to this performance. Can someone point me to more details? Thanks - Bob At 11:30 AM 4/12/2002, you wrote: >...concert of Rick Looppool et al on the 22 in Berkeley... Robert Sweetriver Bellus Sweetriver Sounds - "Rediscovering Native American Flute" sweetriver@naflute.com www.naflute.com POB 1010, Calistoga, CA 94515 707.942.0101 Performance and Booking Information: www.naflute.com/RSB.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 13:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05136; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:25:25 -0500 Subject: Re: magazines Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whoops...i was referring to "college music journal" -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 13:30:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05354; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:29:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:29:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c1e310$910b3fe0$122e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01c1e27e$7b521c60$17f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: magazines Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:28:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was talking about Computer Music published by Future Publishing (UK). And what I like mostly of the magazine are the cds (the full versions of the softwares it gives in them). Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: magazines > At 1:02 AM +0100 4/13/02, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > >i think cmj has gone the way of such mags as alternative press, etc. where > >shudder to think once graced their cover, now resides the likes of slipknot > >and blink 182. > > I don't think we're talking about the same CMJ. I was referring to > Computer Music Journal, which is published by MIT Press. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 14:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08603; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:20:16 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: magazines In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:25 PM -0500 4/13/02, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >whoops...i was referring to "college music journal" That's amusing. I never heard of that "CMJ." I'll be more careful of my acronyms in the future. Computer Music Journal is an academic computer music quarterly that has been in publication since 1977. College Music Journal is somewhat "younger" publication that appears to have started in 1995. Its target readership is evident from its title. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 15:03:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11944; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:01:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:01:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:59:31 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Re: magazines (was RE: G4 and digi001? (was O.T. Computers)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Reid, Benjamin wrote: > The ONLY mag for me is Tape Op www.tapeop.com which is written by musicians > and actually has articles with useful info. EM is OK for the refresher > articles (hey we all need them from time to time) but the rest of it is one > big advertorial. > > Tape Op is a bit more geared to the analog/indie community but the tone is > always great and I have gotten some of the best tips/explanations/damn good > reading from that mag. Oh, did I mention subscriptions are FREE? > > Ben I just started my subscription with the most recent issue, and love it for its tone and focus, it's a great magazine. And while subscriptions may be free, after just one free issue I now want to spend money and build my own plate reverb according to the instructions in the howto article :). best, Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 15:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14196; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:37:47 -0500 Subject: Re: magazines Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding college music journal, it's mostly used for charting and other radio station exclusive information. the "articles" aren't worth the paper they're printed on, in my opinion. sorry for the interruption. we now return to our regularly scheduled discussion. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 16:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18501; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB89A0F.9345848C@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:50:23 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tape Op Magazine References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes yes yes! What a ridiculously great mag. And the subscription is FREE. Click here: burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Reid, Benjamin wrote: > > > The ONLY mag for me is Tape Op www.tapeop.com which is written by musicians > > and actually has articles with useful info. EM is OK for the refresher > > articles (hey we all need them from time to time) but the rest of it is one > > big advertorial. > > > > Tape Op is a bit more geared to the analog/indie community but the tone is > > always great and I have gotten some of the best tips/explanations/damn good > > reading from that mag. Oh, did I mention subscriptions are FREE? > > > > Ben > > I just started my subscription with the most recent issue, and love it for > its tone and focus, it's a great magazine. And while subscriptions may be > free, after just one free issue I now want to spend money and build my own > plate reverb according to the instructions in the howto article :). > > best, > Steve Burnett > burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 17:07:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18758; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB89AB4.EF134024@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:53:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tape Op Magazine Take 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I NEVER used to let those emails loose before they were done. Sheeesh... Click here: http://tapeop.com/subscription.php It'll take one minute to fill out the form, and the subscription is free. It's the music magazine equivalent of a really cool independent record store that always has interesting stuff to check out. Also quite a bit of talk about computer-based production and looping (he says, steering things back on topic...) Huge, astronomical, 20-thumbs-up recommendations on Tape Op. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Reid, Benjamin wrote: > > > The ONLY mag for me is Tape Op www.tapeop.com which is written by musicians > > and actually has articles with useful info. EM is OK for the refresher > > articles (hey we all need them from time to time) but the rest of it is one > > big advertorial. > > > > Tape Op is a bit more geared to the analog/indie community but the tone is > > always great and I have gotten some of the best tips/explanations/damn good > > reading from that mag. Oh, did I mention subscriptions are FREE? > > > > Ben > > I just started my subscription with the most recent issue, and love it for > its tone and focus, it's a great magazine. And while subscriptions may be > free, after just one free issue I now want to spend money and build my own > plate reverb according to the instructions in the howto article :). > > best, > Steve Burnett > burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 17:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20359; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB88EDC.479513D8@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:02:36 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please References: <3CB719AA.B7BA76DA@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <43jOSD.A.w9E.d2Ju8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > That is a good idea, I'm already going to try and get to that show. > > Mark Mark be carefull you may "Have" to buy a pair of EDP's afterwards EAS ahead (Edp aquisition syndrome) Please hug Mathias for me Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 17:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20752; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:14:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.1b9f6460.29e9f96e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:13:18 EDT Subject: Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, In a message dated 4/13/02 1:57:31 PM, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: >Huge, astronomical, 20-thumbs-up recommendations on Tape Op. I concur. Tape OP is great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 18:15:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24387; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: Repeater start/stop messages Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:14:51 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c1e338$a21148c0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1E2FD.F5B270C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1E2FD.F5B270C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey gang-=20 =20 My current project finds me with my Repeater as master midi clock sending it through mucho stuff: ES-1, ER-1, EDP, M-One, Mo-Fx, Filter Factory, and also to my friend=92s Repeater which is being used for loopage of his keys and more- the issue is that I am using everything on a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time clock etc. Any info appreciated. =20 Cliff =20 PS- I subscribed to tape op after finding extra articles on their website that are fantastic. Thanks. =20 http://www.om-studios.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1E2FD.F5B270C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey gang-

 

My current project finds me with my Repeater as = master midi clock sending it through mucho stuff: ES-1, ER-1, EDP, M-One, Mo-Fx, = Filter Factory, and also to my friend=92s Repeater which is being used for = loopage of his keys and more- the issue is that I am using everything on a Thru = chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine which we do NOT = want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of the other devices either. We = just need the clock to lock to- the start/stop messages are part of the clock = stream which does not pay attention to midi channel- How can we filter this = data out without using a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and = installed the software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than = real-time clock etc. Any info appreciated.

 

Cliff

 

PS- I subscribed to tape op after finding extra = articles on their website that are fantastic. Thanks.

 

http://www.om-studios.com<= /font>

 

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1E2FD.F5B270C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 18:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24627; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:18:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:18:25 -0700 Subject: Re: new to LD - advice please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3CB88EDC.479513D8@vtx.ch> Message-Id: <5F733E36-4F2C-11D6-9254-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <-3Q4-.A.qAG.y6Ku8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Believe me, if money was no object, I'd already have a pair. The main reason I went to the Repeater camp was that I really wanted stereo, but didn't have $1300 to spend. Mark On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 01:02 PM, Claude Voit wrote: > > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >> That is a good idea, I'm already going to try and get to that show. >> >> Mark > > Mark be carefull you may "Have" to buy a pair of EDP's afterwards > > EAS ahead (Edp aquisition syndrome) > > Please hug Mathias for me > > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 18:42:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25789; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:40:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c1e33c$0926df90$cb68fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <001101c1e338$a21148c0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:39:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <0L10UC.A.eSG.mPLu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm solving this problem by using a motu midi timepiece ii. i filter everything but mtc and realtime messages on the repeater out port. got one on ebay reasonably cheap (for equipment like this), although not quite as cheap as some of the midi solutions stuff. and it takes one rack space, ob la di. i'm not personally aware of a little box a la midisolutions that can do this, but i would not be surprised to find one somewhere. btw, i updated the repeater OS to 1.1 and i STILL believe i'm hearing the clock bug when i sync my mofx delay up to it. i invariably hear the little pitch sweeps that sound like the delay time is being jerked around. have to try syncing the mofx to another clock to verify that it's the repeater, but i'm seriously thinking that because of this, and the midi out/thru issue, i'd like to try syncing the repeater clock to something else, but i want that something else to be small, protable, cheap, and track an accurate tap. just haven't had time to look around yet ... or you could build your own midi filter ... ;-) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Om_Audio" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Repeater start/stop messages Hey gang- My current project finds me with my Repeater as master midi clock sending it through mucho stuff: ES-1, ER-1, EDP, M-One, Mo-Fx, Filter Factory, and also to my friend’s Repeater which is being used for loopage of his keys and more- the issue is that I am using everything on a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time clock etc. Any info appreciated. Cliff PS- I subscribed to tape op after finding extra articles on their website that are fantastic. Thanks. http://www.om-studios.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 19:01:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26211; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:50:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:49:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008901c1e33c$0926df90$cb68fea9@melon> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA26172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are very right about the weird clock thing. I get that too. I've stopped using the Repeater as synch for anything, and just split everything from the clock of my Roland MC-307. I tried going 307-Repeater-MoFX, but it just does not work. I never complained about it, as it's not a big deal in my setup, but it sure doesn't work right. Mark On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 03:39 PM, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > btw, i updated the repeater OS to 1.1 and i STILL believe i'm > hearing the clock bug when i sync my mofx delay up to it. i > invariably hear the little pitch sweeps that sound like the > delay time is being jerked around. have to try syncing the mofx > to another clock to verify that it's the repeater, but i'm > seriously thinking that because of this, and the midi out/thru > issue, i'd like to try syncing the repeater clock to something > else, but i want that something else to be small, protable, > cheap, and track an accurate tap. just haven't had time to > look around yet ... > > or you could build your own midi filter ... ;-) > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Om_Audio" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 6:14 PM > Subject: Repeater start/stop messages > > > Hey gang- > > > > My current project finds me with my Repeater as master midi > clock > sending it through mucho stuff: ES-1, ER-1, EDP, M-One, Mo-Fx, > Filter > Factory, and also to my friend’s Repeater which is being used > for > loopage of his keys and more- the issue is that I am using > everything on > a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by > mine > which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of > any of > the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the > start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not > pay > attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out > without using > a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed > the > software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than > real-time > clock etc. Any info appreciated. > > > > Cliff > > > > PS- I subscribed to tape op after finding extra articles on > their > website that are fantastic. Thanks. > > > > http://www.om-studios.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 19:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28077; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:07:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:07:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:07:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c1e340$0d1cfc20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1E305.60BE2420" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1E305.60BE2420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My friend is selling his Mo-Fx because of this issue (and also sound quality when audio is passed thru- I use mine in aux send)- I think it is basically a result of midi clock not being super accurate and stable- pretty much every midi device I have ever used tracks midi and drifts slightly and also never seem to send perfect clock- if I watch the incoming clock on my M0-One it is changing all the time but the M-One does not adjust delay times based on these tiny fluctuations- the Mo-Fx seems more sensitive in this regard- definitely a topic for the Repeater forum at Electrix-=20 =20 As for filtering the midi- I have been looking at the MOTU MTP AV for awhile now but it is such overkill and $500 I can spend in other ways- I saw that MidiSoloutions can make custom boxes- I will get a quote and let you know what I hear- thanks. I would be interested in building my own but all I have is soldering skills - no tech guru here. =20 I just saw Mark's post- Mark, does your Mo-Fx refrain from sweeping/drifting when synced to 303? =20 Cliff =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 3:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages =20 i'm solving this problem by using a motu midi timepiece ii. i filter everything but mtc and realtime messages on the repeater out port. got one on ebay reasonably cheap (for equipment like this), although not quite as cheap as some of the midi solutions stuff. and it takes one rack space, ob la di. =20 i'm not personally aware of a little box a la midisolutions that can do this, but i would not be surprised to find one somewhere. =20 btw, i updated the repeater OS to 1.1 and i STILL believe i'm hearing the clock bug when i sync my mofx delay up to it. i invariably hear the little pitch sweeps that sound like the delay time is being jerked around. have to try syncing the mofx to another clock to verify that it's the repeater, but i'm seriously thinking that because of this, and the midi out/thru issue, i'd like to try syncing the repeater clock to something else, but i want that something else to be small, protable, cheap, and track an accurate tap. just haven't had time to look around yet ... =20 or you could build your own midi filter ... ;-) =20 mike =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Om_Audio" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Repeater start/stop messages =20 =20 Hey gang- =20 =20 =20 My current project finds me with my Repeater as master midi clock sending it through mucho stuff: ES-1, ER-1, EDP, M-One, Mo-Fx, Filter Factory, and also to my friend=92s Repeater which is being used for loopage of his keys and more- the issue is that I am using everything on a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time clock etc. Any info appreciated. =20 =20 =20 Cliff =20 =20 =20 PS- I subscribed to tape op after finding extra articles on their website that are fantastic. Thanks. =20 =20 =20 http://www.om-studios.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 http://www.om-studios.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1E305.60BE2420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My friend is = selling his Mo-Fx because of this issue (and also sound quality when audio is passed thru- = I use mine in aux send)- I think it is basically a result of midi clock not = being super accurate and stable- pretty much every midi device I have ever = used tracks midi and drifts slightly and also never seem to send perfect = clock- if I watch the incoming clock on my M0-One it is changing all the time but = the M-One does not adjust delay times based on these tiny fluctuations- the Mo-Fx = seems more sensitive in this regard- definitely a topic for the Repeater forum = at Electrix-

 

As for filtering = the midi- I have been looking at the MOTU MTP AV for awhile now but it is such = overkill and $500 I can spend in other ways- I saw that MidiSoloutions can make = custom boxes- I will get a quote and let you know what I hear- thanks. I would = be interested in building my own but all I have is soldering skills - no = tech guru here.

 

I just saw Mark's = post- Mark, does your Mo-Fx refrain from sweeping/drifting when synced to = 303?

 

Cliff

 

 

-----Original = Message-----

From: Michael = LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] =

Sent: = Saturday, April 13, 2002 = 3:39 PM

To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Subject: Re: = Repeater start/stop messages

 

i'm solving this = problem by using a motu midi timepiece ii.=A0 i filter everything but mtc and = realtime messages on the repeater out port.=A0 got one on ebay reasonably cheap = (for equipment like this), although not quite as cheap as some of the midi = solutions stuff.=A0 and it takes one rack space, ob la di.

 

i'm not personally = aware of a little box a la midisolutions that can do this, but i would not be = surprised to find one somewhere.

 

btw,=A0 i updated = the repeater OS to 1.1 and i STILL believe i'm hearing the clock bug when i sync my = mofx delay up to it.=A0 i invariably hear the little pitch sweeps that sound = like the delay time is being jerked around.=A0 have to try syncing the mofx to = another clock to verify that it's the repeater, but i'm seriously thinking that = because of this, and the midi out/thru issue, i'd like to try syncing the = repeater clock to something else, but i want that something else to be small, = protable,

cheap, and track an = accurate tap.=A0=A0 just haven't had time to

look around yet = ...

 

or you could build = your own midi filter ... ;-)

 

mike

 

----- Original = Message -----

From: = "Om_Audio" <clifsound@attbi.com>

To: = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

Sent: = Saturday, April 13, 2002 = 6:14 PM

Subject: Repeater = start/stop messages

 

 

Hey = gang-

 

 

 

My current project = finds me with my Repeater as master midi clock sending it through mucho stuff: = ES-1, ER-1, EDP, M-One, Mo-Fx, Filter Factory, and also to my friend=92s = Repeater which is being used for loopage of his keys and more- the issue is that = I am using everything on a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the = midi Out of any of the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- = the start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay = attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using a = computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the software for it = but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time clock etc. Any info appreciated.

 

 

 

Cliff

 

 

 

PS- I subscribed to = tape op after finding extra articles on their website that are fantastic. = Thanks.

 

 

 

http://www.om-studios.com <http://www.om-studios.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1E305.60BE2420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 19:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29501; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:39:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:39:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <156.c4035c9.29ea1b61@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:38:09 EDT Subject: magazines - non-loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A recent publication I recently "discovered" and that I'd highly recommend is <> No loop/ electronica content but applicable stuff non the less. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 19:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30315; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pop.pan.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <156.c4035c9.29ea1b61@aol.com> References: <156.c4035c9.29ea1b61@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:57:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: magazines - non-loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3YyfoB.A.gZH.pXMu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My personal magazine recommendation is Musicworks , a Canadian new music tri-annual publication in a magazine-and-CD format. Musicworks began publication in 1978, soon after EAR Magazine started in New York. They began to produce cassettes in 1983 and began producing CDs in 1992. The magazine has outlasted EAR and several other new music publications, and is still going strong. There is a strong emphasis on Canadian new music, but certainly not to the exclusion of the rest of the world. In fact, I've found that in many ways the Canadian music scene is more strongly connected to other music cultures than is much of the U.S. scene. Subscriptions are available either with or without the CD, and back issues are available - all the way back to 1978! -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2203 fax http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 20:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31950; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:06:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:06:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <48.9d98bca.29ea21f5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:06:13 EDT Subject: Re: magazines - non-loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_48.9d98bca.29ea21f5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10560 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_48.9d98bca.29ea21f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...ahh, EAR magazine. What a drag it's gone. I was shocked that it folded considering the big advertisers it was seeming to attract just before the end. Same goes for Musician magazine. I think that was my favorite music mag of all. Nowadays I look forward to my new issue of Wire in the mail. -a great deal considering all the great music you get along with it. (...come on! What other mag would be cool enough to have Alice Coltrane on the cover)! -Todd --part1_48.9d98bca.29ea21f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...ahh, EAR magazine.  What a drag it's gone.  I was shocked that it folded considering the big advertisers it was seeming to attract just before the end.  

Same goes for Musician magazine.  I think that was my favorite music mag of all.  Nowadays I look forward to my new issue of Wire in the mail.  -a great deal considering all the great music you get along with it.  

(...come on!  What other mag would be cool enough to have Alice Coltrane on the cover)!  -Todd --part1_48.9d98bca.29ea21f5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 21:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02608; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c1e352$3a0df060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: magazines Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:18:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about EQ magazine? It's not bad although much of the equipment is very expensive gear indeed. Lots of articles interviewing engineers & producers. Pics of immaculate studios with nary a single cable showing. Amazing! I have cables coming out of my ears. I dropped it after about a 2 year sub. I must be doing something right though. I'm getting Keyboard gratis. Yes! Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Ratte'" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: magazines > In the US, I'd go for Keyboard. The guys are pretty old-skool but definitely > know their shit and have some perspective. Which is refreshing since they're > not so annoyingly 'gee-whiz' about tech stuff. > > Electronic Musician ain't bad, but feels like it never really got the hang of > the electronic thing and is playing catch-up...kinda like a harried > 40-year-old cover band keyboard guy buying his first groovebox or something > to 'keep up with the kids.' > > M2 is entry-level, kid-with-Acid, 'how to make phat beats' in 1 page junk. > > Computer Music does the same 'DAWs are cool, Your Guide To Sampling!" > articles month after month. You pay 10 bucks or whatever for a CD full of > demos and free samples you could grab off the 'net. > > Remix is crap. Their 'artist' interviews seem to be written by their PR > person..the worst being the Jamiroquai one a couple months back...goddamn > that was some terrible BJ hack shit. They had a how-to guide on ReCycle > recently (the app is what, 5 years old?) that anybody who'd actually used the > thing more than a half-dozen times would've known was technically wrong. > Big overviews of "MixMan Plus" or whatever, WTF?! > > G. Ratte'/cDc > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 13 23:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08941; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:11:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--355510014 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c1e340$0d1cfc20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Message-Id: <4A624AF3-4F55-11D6-9254-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--355510014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 04:07 PM, Om_Audio wrote: > > I just saw Mark's post- Mark, does your Mo-Fx refrain from=20 > sweeping/drifting when synced to 303? > > =A0 Yes, the Mo-FX seems fine when dealing with MIDI from anything else BUT=20= it's brother, the Repeater. I use it with clock coming out of the 307=20= or coming out of my MOTU interface and it's fine. It's not the MO-FX,=20= it's the Repeater. Mark --Apple-Mail-1--355510014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 04:07 PM, Om_Audio wrote: Courier NewI just saw Mark's post- Mark, does your Mo-Fx refrain from sweeping/drifting when synced to 303? Courier = New=A0 Yes, the Mo-FX seems fine when dealing with MIDI from anything else BUT it's brother, the Repeater. I use it with clock coming out of the 307 or coming out of my MOTU interface and it's fine. It's not the MO-FX, it's the Repeater. Mark --Apple-Mail-1--355510014-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 01:08:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15207; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:53:16 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: magazines In-reply-to: <004b01c1e352$3a0df060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> <004b01c1e352$3a0df060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:18 PM -0400 4/13/02, Butch wrote: >How about EQ magazine? If you'll read back, you'll find that's where this discussion started, EM vs. Keyboard vs. a few lesser rags. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 01:43:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16639; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:41:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020414013751.02df64c0@marathon.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@marathon.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:41:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick ring Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been enjoying this thread to a degree, but geesh. People travel in packs. Will have the graphic designers stand over here, the "professional" musicians over there, and you dotcommers, well.... I work by day as a carpenter's assistant. At night I work as a waiter/host at a pretty funky restaurant (which has a very nice adjoining club -- www.clubhelsinkiweb.com). I also have a 14 month old daughter and a partner. I'm also involved in local politics and community groups. My jobs feel awfully plebian by comparison. But ah well....... -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 03:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23829; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:47:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:47:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:46:08 -0800 Subject: Re: magazines - non-loop From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48.9d98bca.29ea21f5@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3101589968_54384_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <3hQLw.A.xzF.pPTu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3101589968_54384_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Same goes for Musician magazine. I think that was my favorite music mag of all. Nowadays I look forward to my new issue of Wire in the mail. -a great deal considering all the great music you get along with it. (...come on! What other mag would be cool enough to have Alice Coltrane on the cover)! -Todd ahh 'musician magazine'...that was a fine rag and i saved them,every last one (i thinkk)! who or wot dropped the ball on that publication? s --MS_Mac_OE_3101589968_54384_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: magazines - non-loop

Same goes for Musician magazine.  I think that was my favorite music m= ag of all.  Nowadays I look forward to my new issue of Wire in the mail= .  -a great deal considering all the great music you get along with it.=  

(...come on!  What other mag would be cool enough to have Alice Coltra= ne on the cover)!  -Todd

ahh 'musician magazine'...that was a fine rag and i saved them,every last o= ne (i thinkk)!
who or wot dropped the ball on that publication?
s --MS_Mac_OE_3101589968_54384_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 03:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24600; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020414075649.38920.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Alice Coltrane To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204140748.DAA23909@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<...come on! What other mag would be cool enough to have Alice Coltrane on the cover>> OK, which of her albums should I check out? I know she did a few during the 70's, one with Carlos Santana, if memory serves, as well. But I've never heard any of them. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 04:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26337; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020414080237.6412.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re:What Do Looper's Do when they're not looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204140748.DAA23909@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wash dishes in a restaurant. I worked for 9 hours on Friday night, with about a 20 minute dinner break somewhere in the middle. :-| I need a new job. I've needed a new job for about 5 years now (when I realized how crappy this job is...it's not even just washing dishes that stinks, it's worked with the oldest bunch of children I've ever met, if you know what I mean). Apart from that, I listen to music, read science fiction novels, and go scuba diving (the latter not as frequently as I'd like). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 04:54:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32500; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:48:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.251ebc62.29ea9bf7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 04:46:47 EDT Subject: Behringer MIDI pedal review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: support@behringer.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA32456 Resent-Message-ID: <7vF5mB.A.d7H.4IUu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Finally got hold of the FCB1010 from Behringer. Solid looking machine, mainly metal construction. 68x22cm footprint. 10 midiswitches, 2 Expression pedals. Checked for latency with EDP , its OK!!! The switches are easy to press, by footswitch standards, obviously not as easy as the dedicated EDP switches, but quite a small amount of movement to activate . Pedals use a light sensitive system, so should be reliable. ..and can be recalibrated if you know the secret sequence. pedals feel fine, easy to move and stay in place. Each MIDI switch can send 5 prog Change, 2 CC, 1 note On-Off, and also defines which CC is sent (if any) by the pedals (and pedal range also). that make 10 "functions". ...and also 2 relays ( 1/4 in jack sockets) are either open or closed. and there's 10 banks, so that's 100 programs dedicated up/down switches for bank select. No wall wart so that's the good news. bad news follows. MIDI channel is assignable GLOBALLY for each function. so, for instance:- prog change 1 is always on the same channel (but you have 5 prog changes, so 5 possible channels) Each CC limited to one channel (so only 2 channels) Each expression pedal has a channel assigned. Note On-0ff on one channel only. The channels can be changed at will for each function. ..but you have to hold down a switch while powering up. So Behringers claims about programming everything with your feet are misleading. Programming is generally time consuming and not intuitive. Downside of the 10 functions thing is that if you want to use a pedal all the time, you have to program it into every switch that you use. there is no provision to send a second CC when the footswitch is released programming requires a "long press" of 2.5 seconds. which is a "very long time" . a bit of physical hum comes from the transformer, probably not enough to matter. SUMMARY the design concept behind this is to have one press to get you the sound you want, setting up all your gear in a flash, and including a couple of pedals each conected to its dedicated device. It's not really set up for interaction and control of a single device. Particularly you can't really program a different bank for each device and use all the features for that device. ...because you can't program channel change without getting down on the floor. But as a controller for a looper, it's by far the best option currently available (that I know). To get better functionality, you'd need a desktop unit, (and then you'd want this pedal to control it). The price is £110 GBP , so probably $199 or so in the states. As a controller for the EDP, its OK for basic stuff, and the 2 pedals are excellent . (although remember you always need an analog pedal for input vol) You can't program 2 Note-Ons at once for "clever functions". You can't use the CCs to control, unless you use up both CCs and specifically program a LongPress or ShortPress. Using 2 EDPs, you'd have to edit the MIDI channel on the EDPs to control them separately. But once the new Loop4 software for EDP comes out this pedal will really expand the EDP possibilities. (watch this space) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 05:33:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02744; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Alice Coltrane Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:33:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c1e397$6b0f0d80$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020414075649.38920.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only 2 I'd recommend are "Journey in Satchidananda" and another 2 album live show at UCLA- I think it is called Transfiguration but it's late and I can't be sure. The others don't float my boat at all- but that's just me. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 12:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alice Coltrane <<...come on! What other mag would be cool enough to have Alice Coltrane on the cover>> OK, which of her albums should I check out? I know she did a few during the 70's, one with Carlos Santana, if memory serves, as well. But I've never heard any of them. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 10:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20041; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:11:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c1e3be$341d2060$da54e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <156.c4035c9.29ea1b61@aol.com> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents karmafarm with Automatic Fats & Node Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:10:59 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday April 16th - karmafarm with Automatic Fats & Node karmafarm (synthesist/looper Steven Sauve) and Automatic Fats (downtempo groover Matthew Poulakakis) return to the Ping for a night of spacy ambient systems music, live sound design on vintage analog synthesizers and molasses-thick chill-out beats. karmafarm - http://www.karmafarm.ca Digital visual projections by Node (Calvin B. Grant & Dave Gesell). *Please note that due to a special scotch-tasting at C'est What - the door time (for this show only) is 9:30pm with 1st set at 10:00. Between sets CD - "From Within The Abyss" (Dark Duck) by Numina and Stephen Philips < Two fine modern ambient artists join together to produce a beautiful synthesis (2002) > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday April 23rd 2002 - Faceless Forces Of Bigness . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 12:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29405; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:53:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:53:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:53:18 -0500 Subject: RE: Alice Coltrane Resent-Message-ID: <8qRosB.A.FLH.AQbu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't forget that alice can be found accompanying her husband on some of his last recordings, mccoy having left the band around that time. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 14:47:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04400; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB9CD7A.945C50EE@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:42:03 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alice Coltrane References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the album "Illuminations" with Alice and (Devadip) Carlos AND Tom Coster on piano.....nice, peaceful psycheldelic stuff. Cool cover.... I've made a CD from my vinyl and copied all the artwork and liner notes..... Not for resale, mind you....just personal use........ I put her on my vintage shelf next to Jade Warrior..... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 14:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04600; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB9CEB1.AF10D339@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:47:15 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Art Ultrafoot vs Behringer or others... References: <3b.251ebc62.29ea9bf7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ShfSB.A.fHB.y4cu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone had any success using the Art X-5 Ultrafoot as a controller for the Repeater.... I have one that has been in the closet for 10 years..... I have to check the docs, but I believe it is totally programmable..... sounds a bit like the Behringer...... -- gary @friendlyspider.com SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Finally got hold of the FCB1010 from Behringer. > > Solid looking machine, mainly metal construction. > 68x22cm footprint. > > 10 midiswitches, 2 Expression pedals. > > Checked for latency with EDP , its OK!!! > The switches are easy to press, by footswitch standards, > obviously not as easy as the dedicated EDP switches, > but quite a small amount of movement to activate . > > Pedals use a light sensitive system, so should be reliable. > ..and can be recalibrated if you know the secret sequence. > pedals feel fine, easy to move and stay in place. > > Each MIDI switch can send 5 prog Change, 2 CC, 1 note On-Off, > and also defines which CC is sent (if any) by the pedals (and pedal range > also). > that make 10 "functions". > ...and also 2 relays ( 1/4 in jack sockets) are either open or closed. > > and there's 10 banks, so that's 100 programs > dedicated up/down switches for bank select. > > No wall wart > > so that's the good news. > > bad news follows. > > MIDI channel is assignable GLOBALLY for each function. > so, for instance:- > prog change 1 is always on the same channel > (but you have 5 prog changes, so 5 possible channels) > Each CC limited to one channel (so only 2 channels) > Each expression pedal has a channel assigned. > Note On-0ff on one channel only. > > The channels can be changed at will for each function. > ..but you have to hold down a switch while powering up. > So Behringers claims about programming everything with your feet > are misleading. > > Programming is generally time consuming and not intuitive. > Downside of the 10 functions thing is that if you want to > use a pedal all the time, you have to program it into > every switch that you use. > > there is no provision to send a second CC when the footswitch is released > > programming requires a "long press" of 2.5 seconds. > which is a "very long time" . > > a bit of physical hum comes from the transformer, > probably not enough to matter. > > SUMMARY > the design concept behind this is to have one press > to get you the sound you want, setting up all your > gear in a flash, and including a couple of pedals each > conected to its dedicated device. > > It's not really set up for interaction and control of > a single device. > Particularly you can't really program a different bank > for each device and use all the features for that device. > ...because you can't program channel change without > getting down on the floor. > > But as a controller for a looper, it's by far the best option > currently available (that I know). > To get better functionality, you'd need a desktop unit, > (and then you'd want this pedal to control it). > The price is £110 GBP , so probably $199 or so in the states. > > As a controller for the EDP, its OK for basic stuff, > and the 2 pedals are excellent . > (although remember you always need an analog pedal for input vol) > You can't program 2 Note-Ons at once for "clever functions". > You can't use the CCs to control, unless you use up both CCs and > specifically program a LongPress or ShortPress. > > Using 2 EDPs, you'd have to edit the MIDI channel on the EDPs to > control them separately. > > But once the new Loop4 software for EDP comes out this > pedal will really expand the EDP possibilities. > (watch this space) > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 14:57:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05271; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CB9D10F.358DBA3B@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:57:21 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ultrafoot.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <48N-u.A.ASB.PCdu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was the Art X-15 Ultrafoot...... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 15:59:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09174; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:58:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:58:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c1e3ef$bdfc4500$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com><004b01c1e352$3a0df060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: magazines Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:05:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh. Excuse me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: Re: magazines > At 9:18 PM -0400 4/13/02, Butch wrote: > >How about EQ magazine? > > If you'll read back, you'll find that's where this discussion > started, EM vs. Keyboard vs. a few lesser rags. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 16:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10881; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c1e3f0$fddf2380$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com><004b01c1e352$3a0df060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: magazines Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:14:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went back to the beginning. Didn't see any reference to EQ. That's E. Q. not E.M. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: Re: magazines > At 9:18 PM -0400 4/13/02, Butch wrote: > >How about EQ magazine? > > If you'll read back, you'll find that's where this discussion > started, EM vs. Keyboard vs. a few lesser rags. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 18:29:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20013; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:27:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBA0247.657B9087@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:27:27 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 2 References: <4b.1b9f6460.29e9f96e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-WDtAB.A.-3E.5Igu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Andre, > > In a message dated 4/13/02 1:57:31 PM, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: > > >Huge, astronomical, 20-thumbs-up recommendations on Tape Op. > > I concur. Tape OP is great. i'm glad word is getting around about this magazine. hopefully it'll be around for a good long time. gotta get on my plate reverb project now...:o) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 18:45:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20709; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:44:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:44:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:42:58 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: magazines In-reply-to: <005f01c1e3f0$fddf2380$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020412155512.97973.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> <004b01c1e352$3a0df060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <005f01c1e3f0$fddf2380$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:14 PM -0400 4/14/02, Butch wrote: >I went back to the beginning. Didn't see any reference to EQ. That's E. Q. >not E.M. OOPS! Mea culpa. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 19:15:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22772; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:04:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:04:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c1e408$71955d50$cb68fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3b.251ebc62.29ea9bf7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Behringer MIDI pedal review Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:02:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually, i think the newest rom lets you effectively use one CC switch as an on/off type at the expensive of having the 2nd switch operate independently. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: Behringer MIDI pedal review > Finally got hold of the FCB1010 from Behringer. > > Solid looking machine, mainly metal construction. > 68x22cm footprint. > > 10 midiswitches, 2 Expression pedals. > > Checked for latency with EDP , its OK!!! > The switches are easy to press, by footswitch standards, > obviously not as easy as the dedicated EDP switches, > but quite a small amount of movement to activate . > > Pedals use a light sensitive system, so should be reliable. > ..and can be recalibrated if you know the secret sequence. > pedals feel fine, easy to move and stay in place. > > Each MIDI switch can send 5 prog Change, 2 CC, 1 note On-Off, > and also defines which CC is sent (if any) by the pedals (and pedal range > also). > that make 10 "functions". > ...and also 2 relays ( 1/4 in jack sockets) are either open or closed. > > and there's 10 banks, so that's 100 programs > dedicated up/down switches for bank select. > > No wall wart > > > so that's the good news. > > bad news follows. > > MIDI channel is assignable GLOBALLY for each function. > so, for instance:- > prog change 1 is always on the same channel > (but you have 5 prog changes, so 5 possible channels) > Each CC limited to one channel (so only 2 channels) > Each expression pedal has a channel assigned. > Note On-0ff on one channel only. > > The channels can be changed at will for each function. > ..but you have to hold down a switch while powering up. > So Behringers claims about programming everything with your feet > are misleading. > > Programming is generally time consuming and not intuitive. > Downside of the 10 functions thing is that if you want to > use a pedal all the time, you have to program it into > every switch that you use. > > there is no provision to send a second CC when the footswitch is released > > programming requires a "long press" of 2.5 seconds. > which is a "very long time" . > > a bit of physical hum comes from the transformer, > probably not enough to matter. > > SUMMARY > the design concept behind this is to have one press > to get you the sound you want, setting up all your > gear in a flash, and including a couple of pedals each > conected to its dedicated device. > > It's not really set up for interaction and control of > a single device. > Particularly you can't really program a different bank > for each device and use all the features for that device. > ...because you can't program channel change without > getting down on the floor. > > But as a controller for a looper, it's by far the best option > currently available (that I know). > To get better functionality, you'd need a desktop unit, > (and then you'd want this pedal to control it). > The price is £110 GBP , so probably $199 or so in the states. > > As a controller for the EDP, its OK for basic stuff, > and the 2 pedals are excellent . > (although remember you always need an analog pedal for input vol) > You can't program 2 Note-Ons at once for "clever functions". > You can't use the CCs to control, unless you use up both CCs and > specifically program a LongPress or ShortPress. > > Using 2 EDPs, you'd have to edit the MIDI channel on the EDPs to > control them separately. > > But once the new Loop4 software for EDP comes out this > pedal will really expand the EDP possibilities. > (watch this space) > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 21:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00596; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:40:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: fs Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:41:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c1e41e$b437eb80$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1E3E4.07D91380" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1E3E4.07D91380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put a few items on ebay- theres a Rane SM82 and a Boss RPS-10 in the bunch- http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItem s &userid=clifsound&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1E3E4.07D91380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C1E3E4.07D91380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 14 22:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03746; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:16:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e101c1e424$9ed99620$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <001901c1e41e$b437eb80$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Subject: Miking Congas Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:24:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C1E403.176340E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C1E403.176340E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, all: I sold off my Handsonic a few months ago 'cause it was too much $$$ to = sit doin' nothing until I needed congas or bongos. But, I still like to use congas, et al every so often and popped for a = Toca pair. I tried miking them with something from my equipment = archives-an EV N/DYN. 257, I think. The results were okay but the drums seemed muffled. Not sharp like when = using the Roland Handsonic. What would be a reasonable-priced microphone = to use with the Tocas? Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C1E403.176340E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, all:
 
I sold off my Handsonic a few months = ago 'cause it=20 was too much $$$ to sit doin' nothing until I needed congas or=20 bongos.
 
But, I still like to use congas, et al = every so=20 often and popped for a Toca pair. I tried miking them with something = from my=20 equipment archives-an EV N/DYN. 257, I think.
 
The results were okay but the drums = seemed muffled.=20 Not sharp like when using the Roland Handsonic. What would be a=20 reasonable-priced microphone to use with the Tocas?
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C1E403.176340E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 03:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22245; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:57:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c1e45a$e23ca7a0$c756fea9@plainjane> From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: plain jane -> brother sean Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:52:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just letting everyone know that the email that used to be plain jane is now brother sean. It's good to be back! Kevin McPeak Brother Sean www.brothersean.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 04:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29403; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 04:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 04:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:47:11 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob , kim@aurisis.com Subject: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I'm still experiencing a very strange and intermittent problem with my EDP footpedal: When hitting Insert very quickly and repeatedly, it will occasionally trigger Multiply, and less occasionally Overdub. Here's what I've done to my footpedal over the last few days: -- Replaced every single switch with a brand new switch -- Replaced every resistor with a brand new resistor -- Put in a new jack -- Put in new wiring -- Re-soldered every connection, which in any event was newly soldered to begin with, since the various component parts being soldered together are all new In short, the only part of the old pedal I still have is the actual metal chassis. Everything else has been replaced, and I'm still getting the same basic problem. It's less pronounced that it was, but still very much present. The obvious answer would be that it's a problem with the EDP itself. Except... I've used a friend's footpedal with my EDP, and gotten this problem EXTREMELY rarely -- so infrequently that it hardly EVER happens. I also plugged my own problematic footpedal into his EDP, AFTER all of the modifications, and it behaves the same way in his unit as it does in mine. My pedal (and EDP) is an older Oberheim model, and his are Gibson models. But I've never noticed this particular problem prior to the beginning of this year. The only difference between the two footpedals is that my friend's newer model has insulation on the input jack, to keep it from connecting to the metal housing of the chassis itself. Even after modifying my unit with insulation, the problem persists. And I never noticed this for the previous six years that I've been using the pedal without insulation. Furthermore, Matthias tells me that, since the front panel buttons and the footpedal buttons are wired parallel, that any problem with the footpedal should be duplicated with the front buttons, and vica versa. When I do this test on the front panel buttons, it NEVER EVER happens at all. Not even ONCE. It's not a beta test issue, because I put Loop3 in and noticed the same thing (as well as my friend's unit, which is also on Loop3). So, I have two questions for the list: 1) Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should try now? 2) Can anyone with an EDP and a spare minute please perform the following test for me: -- Turn quantize off. Then press the Insert button on the footpedal as fast as you can, repeatedly (for 30 seconds at least). Watch the front panel display, and see if it goes into Multiply or Overdub at any point during this. I will assume that I now possess the EFC-7 equivalent of a Ouija board until such time as my pedal starts operating normally again... Big thanks for any ideas, and to everyone who already wrote in with suggestions. --Andre "Crowley" LaFosse http://www.EFC-7-busters.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 05:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31599; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:05:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1e45c$c0ef0aa0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't get Multiply but I got Overdub to come on. Odd Cliff Late Night Wild Insert Masher -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:47 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com; Matthias Grob; kim@aurisis.com Subject: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing Hello list, I'm still experiencing a very strange and intermittent problem with my EDP footpedal: When hitting Insert very quickly and repeatedly, it will occasionally trigger Multiply, and less occasionally Overdub. Here's what I've done to my footpedal over the last few days: -- Replaced every single switch with a brand new switch -- Replaced every resistor with a brand new resistor -- Put in a new jack -- Put in new wiring -- Re-soldered every connection, which in any event was newly soldered to begin with, since the various component parts being soldered together are all new In short, the only part of the old pedal I still have is the actual metal chassis. Everything else has been replaced, and I'm still getting the same basic problem. It's less pronounced that it was, but still very much present. The obvious answer would be that it's a problem with the EDP itself. Except... I've used a friend's footpedal with my EDP, and gotten this problem EXTREMELY rarely -- so infrequently that it hardly EVER happens. I also plugged my own problematic footpedal into his EDP, AFTER all of the modifications, and it behaves the same way in his unit as it does in mine. My pedal (and EDP) is an older Oberheim model, and his are Gibson models. But I've never noticed this particular problem prior to the beginning of this year. The only difference between the two footpedals is that my friend's newer model has insulation on the input jack, to keep it from connecting to the metal housing of the chassis itself. Even after modifying my unit with insulation, the problem persists. And I never noticed this for the previous six years that I've been using the pedal without insulation. Furthermore, Matthias tells me that, since the front panel buttons and the footpedal buttons are wired parallel, that any problem with the footpedal should be duplicated with the front buttons, and vica versa. When I do this test on the front panel buttons, it NEVER EVER happens at all. Not even ONCE. It's not a beta test issue, because I put Loop3 in and noticed the same thing (as well as my friend's unit, which is also on Loop3). So, I have two questions for the list: 1) Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should try now? 2) Can anyone with an EDP and a spare minute please perform the following test for me: -- Turn quantize off. Then press the Insert button on the footpedal as fast as you can, repeatedly (for 30 seconds at least). Watch the front panel display, and see if it goes into Multiply or Overdub at any point during this. I will assume that I now possess the EFC-7 equivalent of a Ouija board until such time as my pedal starts operating normally again... Big thanks for any ideas, and to everyone who already wrote in with suggestions. --Andre "Crowley" LaFosse http://www.EFC-7-busters.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 05:13:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31856; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:12:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c1e45d$b4808ea0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c1e45c$c0ef0aa0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS- I'm on the Oberheim model. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:Om-Studios@Om-Studios.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 2:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing I didn't get Multiply but I got Overdub to come on. Odd Cliff Late Night Wild Insert Masher -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:47 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com; Matthias Grob; kim@aurisis.com Subject: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing Hello list, I'm still experiencing a very strange and intermittent problem with my EDP footpedal: When hitting Insert very quickly and repeatedly, it will occasionally trigger Multiply, and less occasionally Overdub. Here's what I've done to my footpedal over the last few days: -- Replaced every single switch with a brand new switch -- Replaced every resistor with a brand new resistor -- Put in a new jack -- Put in new wiring -- Re-soldered every connection, which in any event was newly soldered to begin with, since the various component parts being soldered together are all new In short, the only part of the old pedal I still have is the actual metal chassis. Everything else has been replaced, and I'm still getting the same basic problem. It's less pronounced that it was, but still very much present. The obvious answer would be that it's a problem with the EDP itself. Except... I've used a friend's footpedal with my EDP, and gotten this problem EXTREMELY rarely -- so infrequently that it hardly EVER happens. I also plugged my own problematic footpedal into his EDP, AFTER all of the modifications, and it behaves the same way in his unit as it does in mine. My pedal (and EDP) is an older Oberheim model, and his are Gibson models. But I've never noticed this particular problem prior to the beginning of this year. The only difference between the two footpedals is that my friend's newer model has insulation on the input jack, to keep it from connecting to the metal housing of the chassis itself. Even after modifying my unit with insulation, the problem persists. And I never noticed this for the previous six years that I've been using the pedal without insulation. Furthermore, Matthias tells me that, since the front panel buttons and the footpedal buttons are wired parallel, that any problem with the footpedal should be duplicated with the front buttons, and vica versa. When I do this test on the front panel buttons, it NEVER EVER happens at all. Not even ONCE. It's not a beta test issue, because I put Loop3 in and noticed the same thing (as well as my friend's unit, which is also on Loop3). So, I have two questions for the list: 1) Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should try now? 2) Can anyone with an EDP and a spare minute please perform the following test for me: -- Turn quantize off. Then press the Insert button on the footpedal as fast as you can, repeatedly (for 30 seconds at least). Watch the front panel display, and see if it goes into Multiply or Overdub at any point during this. I will assume that I now possess the EFC-7 equivalent of a Ouija board until such time as my pedal starts operating normally again... Big thanks for any ideas, and to everyone who already wrote in with suggestions. --Andre "Crowley" LaFosse http://www.EFC-7-busters.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 05:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32058; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:15:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415091448.56670.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of suggestions from the dunce's corner before you consult NASA.... :) 1) I assume you've tried it with different cables connecting the EDP & footpedal 2) Have you cleaned the footpedal jack on the EDP rear panel? I hope you get well soon. John --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm still experiencing a very strange and > intermittent problem with my > EDP footpedal: > > When hitting Insert very quickly and repeatedly, it > will occasionally > trigger Multiply, and less occasionally Overdub. > > Here's what I've done to my footpedal over the last > few days: > > -- Replaced every single switch with a brand new > switch > > -- Replaced every resistor with a brand new resistor > > -- Put in a new jack > > -- Put in new wiring > > -- Re-soldered every connection, which in any event > was newly soldered > to begin with, since the various component parts > being soldered together > are all new > > In short, the only part of the old pedal I still > have is the actual > metal chassis. Everything else has been replaced, > and I'm still getting > the same basic problem. It's less pronounced that > it was, but still > very much present. > > The obvious answer would be that it's a problem with > the EDP itself. > > Except... > > I've used a friend's footpedal with my EDP, and > gotten this problem > EXTREMELY rarely -- so infrequently that it hardly > EVER happens. > > I also plugged my own problematic footpedal into his > EDP, AFTER all of > the modifications, and it behaves the same way in > his unit as it does in mine. > > My pedal (and EDP) is an older Oberheim model, and > his are Gibson > models. But I've never noticed this particular > problem prior to the > beginning of this year. > > The only difference between the two footpedals is > that my friend's newer > model has insulation on the input jack, to keep it > from connecting to > the metal housing of the chassis itself. Even after > modifying my unit > with insulation, the problem persists. And I never > noticed this for the > previous six years that I've been using the pedal > without insulation. > > Furthermore, Matthias tells me that, since the front > panel buttons and > the footpedal buttons are wired parallel, that any > problem with the > footpedal should be duplicated with the front > buttons, and vica versa. > When I do this test on the front panel buttons, it > NEVER EVER happens at > all. Not even ONCE. > > It's not a beta test issue, because I put Loop3 in > and noticed the same > thing (as well as my friend's unit, which is also on > Loop3). > > So, I have two questions for the list: > > 1) Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should > try now? > > 2) Can anyone with an EDP and a spare minute please > perform the > following test for me: > > -- Turn quantize off. Then press the Insert button > on the footpedal as > fast as you can, repeatedly (for 30 seconds at > least). Watch the front > panel display, and see if it goes into Multiply or > Overdub at any point > during this. > > I will assume that I now possess the EFC-7 > equivalent of a Ouija board > until such time as my pedal starts operating > normally again... > > Big thanks for any ideas, and to everyone who > already wrote in with suggestions. > > --Andre "Crowley" LaFosse > http://www.EFC-7-busters.com > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 05:27:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32496; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBA9BFA.F4E92867@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:23:07 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing References: <20020415091448.56670.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi John, > 1) I assume you've tried it with different cables > connecting the EDP & footpedal Yes indeed. > 2) Have you cleaned the footpedal jack on the EDP > rear panel? Yep! > I hope you get well soon. Me too! Thanks, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 05:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32681; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:28:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBA9C81.5C2004DD@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:25:21 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Matthias Grob , kim@aurisis.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing References: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com P.S. -- One other bit of strangeness, for whatever it may be worth: On a couple of occasions, the EDP actually responded as if the PARAMETER front button was being pressed (as opposed to Multiply or Overdub), which is interesting since the Parameter button resistor value isn't even in the footpedal...! Argh. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 05:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00715; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:40:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:40:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBA9131.6CB27119@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:37:05 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing References: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my finger and feet hurt but I could'nt get your exclusive bug :=) is the bug happening with a cool machine too claude ps:ober plex ~ year 98 Andre LaFosse wrote: > > Hello list, > > I'm still experiencing a very strange and intermittent problem with my > EDP footpedal: > > When hitting Insert very quickly and repeatedly, it will occasionally > trigger Multiply, and less occasionally Overdub. > > Here's what I've done to my footpedal over the last few days: > > -- Replaced every single switch with a brand new switch > > -- Replaced every resistor with a brand new resistor > > -- Put in a new jack > > -- Put in new wiring > > -- Re-soldered every connection, which in any event was newly soldered > to begin with, since the various component parts being soldered together > are all new > > In short, the only part of the old pedal I still have is the actual > metal chassis. Everything else has been replaced, and I'm still getting > the same basic problem. It's less pronounced that it was, but still > very much present. > > The obvious answer would be that it's a problem with the EDP itself. > > Except... > > I've used a friend's footpedal with my EDP, and gotten this problem > EXTREMELY rarely -- so infrequently that it hardly EVER happens. > > I also plugged my own problematic footpedal into his EDP, AFTER all of > the modifications, and it behaves the same way in his unit as it does in mine. > > My pedal (and EDP) is an older Oberheim model, and his are Gibson > models. But I've never noticed this particular problem prior to the > beginning of this year. > > The only difference between the two footpedals is that my friend's newer > model has insulation on the input jack, to keep it from connecting to > the metal housing of the chassis itself. Even after modifying my unit > with insulation, the problem persists. And I never noticed this for the > previous six years that I've been using the pedal without insulation. > > Furthermore, Matthias tells me that, since the front panel buttons and > the footpedal buttons are wired parallel, that any problem with the > footpedal should be duplicated with the front buttons, and vica versa. > When I do this test on the front panel buttons, it NEVER EVER happens at > all. Not even ONCE. > > It's not a beta test issue, because I put Loop3 in and noticed the same > thing (as well as my friend's unit, which is also on Loop3). > > So, I have two questions for the list: > > 1) Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should try now? > > 2) Can anyone with an EDP and a spare minute please perform the > following test for me: > > -- Turn quantize off. Then press the Insert button on the footpedal as > fast as you can, repeatedly (for 30 seconds at least). Watch the front > panel display, and see if it goes into Multiply or Overdub at any point > during this. > > I will assume that I now possess the EFC-7 equivalent of a Ouija board > until such time as my pedal starts operating normally again... > > Big thanks for any ideas, and to everyone who already wrote in with suggestions. > > --Andre "Crowley" LaFosse > http://www.EFC-7-busters.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 05:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00889; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:44:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:44:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:45:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1e462$4489e420$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CBA9C81.5C2004DD@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just changed Insert mode to Replace instead of Insert and yes- I get Multiply, and also Overdub. Only seems to happen in Replace mode here. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 2:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Matthias Grob; kim@aurisis.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing P.S. -- One other bit of strangeness, for whatever it may be worth: On a couple of occasions, the EDP actually responded as if the PARAMETER front button was being pressed (as opposed to Multiply or Overdub), which is interesting since the Parameter button resistor value isn't even in the footpedal...! Argh. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 07:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07534; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:36:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:36:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1be9415c.29ec1510@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:35:44 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #239 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4ZNG6B.A.c1B._sru8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 15/04/02 03:22:51 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > actually, i think the newest rom lets you effectively use one CC > switch as an on/off type at the expensive of having the 2nd > switch operate independently. > > mike > fraid not, it does a thing where alternate presses send alternate values. (for swicthing a setting "on" and "off" andy (didn't get the latest rom) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 10:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20248; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415143056.92513.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CB89AB4.EF134024@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > http://tapeop.com/subscription.php > > It'll take one minute to fill out the form, ...and then several months before they actually figure out that you did and start sending you the magazines. Guess I shouldn't complain, since it IS free. > It's the music magazine equivalent of a really cool independent > record store that always has interesting stuff to check out. Good analogy. The indie record shop will have great music that you can't (or wouldn't) find anywhere else, and it'll probably also have a bunch of stuff that you don't care for. TapeOp is like that for me. I like the vibe of the thing, and there's good practical stuff in it, but it seems to want to glorify the "lofi" aspect of recording. Perhaps that's to encourage people that anyone can get in and get their feet wet, but it appears to depreciate want a really _good_ recording studio has to offer. Don't get me wrong, I love home recording and I think anyone who wants to do it should give it a try. It's great when people can produce a great record on a small budget, but it would be stupid to think that a warehouse somewhere with a couple of ADATs and Mackie can somehow produce the same results as the Record Plant, or that a $500 Rode mic really sounds as good as a U67. Now, depending on what you're doing, you might not NEED the sound quality of a U67 or Studio A at Ocean Way (especially true in the experimental music realm many of you live in), but really nothing compares. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 10:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20542; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:35:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:35:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:34:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e001c1e48a$b56c2db0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9DET2D.A.SAF.RUuu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i may be misunderstanding your problem, but can't you solve this by setting his repeater to a different channel than your repeater? >... the issue is that I am using everything on > a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine > which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of > the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the > start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay > attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using > a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the > software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time > clock etc. Any info appreciated. > > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 10:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21211; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: MPC2000xl users Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:38:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1e48b$3e912050$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1E461.55BB1850" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1E461.55BB1850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm currently using a MPC2000xl to program drum loops and debating on purchasing the internal effects card. Anyone on the list have an opinion on this effects card? Also does anyone use their MPC live? If so do you give the soundman a stereo drum mix or do you use the 8 outs and allow the soundman to adjust the individual track levels from the board? Thanks! Kevin McPeak Brother Sean www.brothersean.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1E461.55BB1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m currently using a MPC2000xl to program drum = loops and debating on purchasing the

internal effects card. Anyone on the list have an opinion on this effects = card?

 

Also does anyone use their MPC live? If so do you = give the soundman a stereo drum

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1E461.55BB1850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 10:47:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21838; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:45:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:45:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: myoder@dusty.tamiu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e101c1e424$9ed99620$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> References: <001901c1e41e$b437eb80$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <00e101c1e424$9ed99620$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:44:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Yoder Subject: Re: Miking Congas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1193240647==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1193240647==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hey, all: > >I sold off my Handsonic a few months ago 'cause it was too much $$$ >to sit doin' nothing until I needed congas or bongos. > >But, I still like to use congas, et al every so often and popped for >a Toca pair. I tried miking them with something from my equipment >archives-an EV N/DYN. 257, I think. > >The results were okay but the drums seemed muffled. Not sharp like >when using the Roland Handsonic. What would be a reasonable-priced >microphone to use with the Tocas? > >Regards, Paul Paul, I use the Shure SM57 with great results for this purpose. I mic the top(s), not the bottom(s) to get a more "percussive" sound that cuts through the mix nicely. The number of mics I use on congas (1 or 2) depends on what else is being mic'd. For example, with cymbals, etc., I put a stereo pair of condenser mic's (Shure BG4.1) overhead for the whole thing, and one SM57 pointed at an angle to the midpoint between the two congas or bongos, about 8" away. If it's just the congas, I place one SM57 over each conga at an angle, about 6" away. If it's just the bongos, I use one SM57 pointed over the middle, between the two heads. The latter works fine with a pair of congas, too, if you only have one mic and you pull it back a bit, say 18" away. Try to minimize compression. Don't be afraid to use a tad bit of reverb at a small room setting. Hope this helps. Michael -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies Texas A&M International University Department of Social Sciences 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= --============_-1193240647==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Miking Congas
Hey, all:
 
I sold off my Handsonic a few months ago 'cause it was too much $$$ to sit doin' nothing until I needed congas or bongos.
 
But, I still like to use congas, et al every so often and popped for a Toca pair. I tried miking them with something from my equipment archives-an EV N/DYN. 257, I think.
 
The results were okay but the drums seemed muffled. Not sharp like when using the Roland Handsonic. What would be a reasonable-priced microphone to use with the Tocas?
 
Regards, Paul


Paul,

I use the Shure SM57 with great results for this purpose.  I mic the top(s), not the bottom(s) to get a more "percussive" sound that cuts through the mix nicely.  The number of mics I use on congas (1 or 2) depends on what else is being mic'd.  For example, with cymbals, etc., I put a stereo pair of condenser mic's (Shure BG4.1) overhead for the whole thing, and one SM57 pointed at an angle to the midpoint between the two congas or bongos, about 8" away.  If it's just the congas, I place one SM57 over each conga at an angle, about 6" away.  If it's just the bongos, I use one SM57 pointed over the middle, between the two heads.  The latter works fine with a pair of congas, too, if you only have one mic and you pull it back a bit, say 18" away.  Try to minimize compression.  Don't be afraid to use a tad bit of reverb at a small room setting.

Hope this helps.

Michael
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--============_-1193240647==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 10:56:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22607; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016a01c1e48d$678e1150$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <001901c1e41e$b437eb80$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com><00e101c1e424$9ed99620$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Miking Congas Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:54:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Miking Congas>> ...What would be a reasonable-priced microphone to use with the Tocas? ... > I use the Shure SM57 with great results for this purpose. ... Good advice, Michael! I also use SM57s alot. They work fine. In most situations I prefer one or two Sennheiser MD421 mics, though. I bought some used '421s for a good price, not much more than a '57 a few years ago. You might check around. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:15:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24888; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:12:08 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016201c1e48f$e8e40b40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe try using a single footswitch with just the insert resister attached. in other words, either disconnect all the other switches in your edp pedal, or connect a switch directly to a jack and trigger by hand... if it is still happening, this will at least eliminate the possibility that the other switches or wiring are at fault. if it stops happening then i would test each switch separately to see if mechanical movement causes false triggers. or maybe just connect the fs to edp and shake it... will try test on mine (oberheim edp with my custom footswitch) tonight... > 1) Does anyone have any ideas as to what I should try now? > > 2) Can anyone with an EDP and a spare minute please perform the > following test for me: > > --Andre "Crowley" LaFosse > http://www.EFC-7-busters.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:23:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25501; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRGMM37/zlOvuUlKoA2ZL1fmhcc1AIUHGZgTMl5HynQIhm9pbaxH59vksw= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miking Congas Message-ID: <880-3CBAF018-1223@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Dennis Leas" 's message of Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:54:11 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also use sm57 on most of my loud hand drums(congas, djembe,dumbek, klong yaw,bongos) the guitar center had them on sale a while ago for $79 and you got the mic a stand and a chord for one price. I bought six of them. Normally the go for$89 alone. Best"Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26474; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:36:36 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Miking Congas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017a01c1e493$53eed110$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <880-3CBAF018-1223@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com warning: percussion is not my first instrument(s?) i haven't used it a lot yet, but i like the audix d2, the low profile keeps it out of the way and it sounds a bit fuller than the 57. i use three congas with a mike on each, lp claws for mounting. i got the d2 free with my quinto. haven't yet decided to get two more. i saw an add for some sennheiser drum mikes that were very small, with built in mounting claws. looked pretty interesting, but haven't tried them... ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Miking Congas > I also use sm57 on most of my loud hand drums(congas, djembe,dumbek, > klong yaw,bongos) the guitar center had them on sale a while ago for $79 > and you got the mic a stand and a chord for one price. I bought six of > them. Normally the go for$89 alone. Best"Bill/Las Vegas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:44:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26479; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:37:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415153649.27810.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <016201c1e48f$e8e40b40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > maybe try using a single footswitch with just the insert resister > attached. > in other words, either disconnect all the other switches in your edp > pedal, > or connect a switch directly to a jack and trigger by hand... > > if it is still happening, this will at least eliminate the > possibility that the other > switches or wiring are at fault. > > if it stops happening then i would test each switch separately > to see if mechanical movement causes false triggers. > or maybe just connect the fs to edp and shake it... That's a good idea, perhaps vibration is causing false triggering on the other switches. Another thought is that it might have something to do with static. That's often a problem in carpeted areas especially in the wintertime when heating equipment dries out the air. I've seen static do some seriously strange things to electronic equipment from time to time. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:52:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27390; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c1e495$20315ad0$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <880-3CBAF018-1223@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> <017a01c1e493$53eed110$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Miking Congas Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:49:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0Kxsx.A.XrG.3Zvu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'Pick-up-the-world' is a vendor selling polymer film pickups which are useful for congas. They used to sell a turnkey 2-conga system with pickups and a preamp, it appears they don't do that anymore, but they still recommend their pickups for drums/percussion. http://www.pick-uptheworld.com/ see 'For Drums' testimonials at this page: http://www.pick-uptheworld.com/reviews.html -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:53:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27394; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415154924.3028.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Miking Congas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00e101c1e424$9ed99620$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Butch wrote: > But, I still like to use congas, et al every so often and popped for > a Toca pair. I tried miking them with something from my equipment > archives-an EV N/DYN. 257, I think. > > The results were okay but the drums seemed muffled. Not sharp like > when using the Roland Handsonic. What would be a reasonable-priced > microphone to use with the Tocas? I've used mics from that line of EV mics and always thought they had kind of a murkey sound. As suggested, for really low budget, the SM57 can sound ok. Personally, I prefer a small diaphragm condenser mic for hand percussion. On congas & djembe, I'll sometimes augment a condenser mic on the skins with a large diaphragm dynamic mic underneath. I have a pair of Neumann KM184s that I like. They're about $650 each. For less, I've heard really good things about the Oktava MC012. You can get this mic from Guitar Center for about $150 with a single cardioid capsule, but they're notoriously inconsistant so you might have to go through several of them before finding one that sounds great. The alternative is to buy them from The Sound Room (www.oktava.com). They screen the mics and only sell the highest quality ones. Not really that much more (currently $193 for single capsule, $299 with three capsules, cardiod, hypercardioid, omni). You can also get matched pairs, and nice wooden boxs for them from The Sound Room. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:57:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27815; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAm1tynIdhTDppo/FG7oun7Pcymm4CFQCiPrTBw5Ro/O5OnomKTPViOT5qjg== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:53:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miking Congas Message-ID: <886-3CBAF789-313@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: jim palmer 's message of Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:36:36 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the audix d2 for tom-toms on the dum kit. Audix sell this little drum mic kit which includes three different mic's the d2, d1 d3, for snare, bass drum and tom-toms. I think a d2 is a little more expensive. But the sm57 is time tested, lots of pros still use the 57 and they could have aything they want. I always check out the miking on stage at shows. But its a personnel choice in the end.Best'Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 11:58:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27521; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:51:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415155129.31183.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Miking Congas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <017a01c1e493$53eed110$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- jim palmer wrote: > i saw an add for some sennheiser drum mikes that were very small, > with built in mounting claws. looked pretty interesting, but haven't > tried them... I talked with someone on another mailing list who was using the small Sennheiser (condenser) mics with the clips on them, who said that he really liked them. I haven't heard 'em myself. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 12:07:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29844; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Then and Now Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:05:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2002 16:05:28.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C4E6240:01C1E497] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone- A few days ago, Matthias fowarded me a message he found while cleaning out his email account. It was my first post to LD two years ago. I found it really neat, as I had nearly completely forgotten about it. I thought it would be fun to start a "first post" thread. So go search the archives for your first post, and let us all see it! Then: see below Now: I've got an 8u rack with an EDP, Repeater, FilterFact, and Mofx. I use a mackie 1402 and several mics around my drum kit. I loop drums and percussion live. My ulitmate goal (below) is not yet realized, but I still think about it! I've been really thankful for this community, both for the great advise to another "what should I buy" poster, the patience, the incredible amount of musical and creative support, and for the great friends I now have as a direct result of joining the list. This'll be the first thread I intentionally start - lets see if it takes off... Jon >>Re: New List Member making critical equipment decisions >>Hey guys- >> For years I've had what I thought to be my own "unique" vision of a >>solo performance using loops to make my music:) I've never had the >>money to put together a rig or the time to build one myself. Just a >>few days ago, I stumbled across the looper's delight page and >>realized that there were others doing exactly the things I want to >>do! Needless to say, I am excited to join the community. >> After talking to as many people as I can find, I have narrowed my >>search (I think) down to either an EDP or an electrix repeater. I >>would be interested to hear your opinions on which might be the >>better choice for me (understanding that information on the repeater >>is somewhat harder to come by). >> I am a professional (I have a day job too though) jazz drummer and >>I'm looking to expand my live sound. I play mostly acoustically in >>small settings. I have no experience with midi devices, keyboards, >>and no interest in playing electronic drums. However, I would >>describe myself as technically very competent with much knowledge in >>recording technology and techniques. At one point I started to work >>out schematics for a simple digital looping device, then abandoned >>that for a failed attempt at coding a mac to do it. I gave up when >>I realized that there were quality options available commercially. >> >> *My first goal is to build a small looping unit consisting of a >>microphone, a looping device, and a keyboard type amplifier/speaker >>so that I can loop live auxiliary percussion while I play my drums >>acoustically. >> *If this is a success, I want to put together a more advanced rig >>(hopefully using the same looping device that I would then be >>familiar with) consisting of a well mic'ed drum kit, auxiliary >>percussion mic, 8 or 12 channel mixer, and a looping device to >>output to a PA. Possibly adding triggering ability and specialty >>effects. >> *My ultimate goal is to create a solo live act which would be sort >>of a performance art/looping musical journey. My vision calls for >>several percussion "stations" each mic'ed and hooked to a central >>looping device, with full control at each "station." >> >>I've landed a job which should support this nasty habit for a while, >>but I would really like to make the right choice in the equipment I >>buy. Any takers in doling out advise? >>bye- >>jon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 12:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30135; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:10:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:10:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415160948.8858.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Miking Congas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <886-3CBAF789-313@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- William Mcallister wrote: > I use the audix d2 for tom-toms on the dum kit. Audix sell this > little drum mic kit which includes three different mic's the d2, d1 > d3, for snare, bass drum and tom-toms. I think a d2 is a little more > expensive. > But the sm57 is time tested, lots of pros still use the 57 and they > could have aything they want. I always check out the miking on stage > at shows. But its a personnel choice in the end. Hmm... I interpreted the original question as asking about mics for recording congas, but after reading it again, it's not clear whether he was interested in stage mics or recording mics. If you wanted stage mics, forget my previous recommendations, you'll probably get too much feedback. For stage mics, the Sennheiser 421s that someone else mentioned, or the SM57s would be good choices. I'm not familiar with the Audix mic that Bill recommended above, but other Audix mics I've used have had a crisp clean sound. The PickUpTheWorld contact pickup sounds like an interesting option too. I've looked at their pickups for acoustic instruments in the past, but haven't actually heard one. I have heard a lot of glowing recommendations though. They do require a preamp, which will add to the cost of the setup. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 12:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32086; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:49:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020415124307.00ae4620@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:47:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: GIG: w. mass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a little bit o' looping and a whole lotta rawk! Wednesday, April 17th, 2002 Hampshire College Prescott Tavern 893 West St., Amherst, MA 01002 Dakin Squad Buttfire (toilets aplenty, third time around) anti:clockwise Wolf Eyes All ages Doors: 8:00pm Set Time: 9:15pm Curfew: 12:00am Other Bands, Line Up: then , then Door Price: $4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 13:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02222; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:07:27 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3CBB08CE.D5CECDA7@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200204150223.WAA04044@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > i'm glad word is getting around about this magazine. hopefully it'll > be > around for a good long time. Where I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, it seems many professional studios don't know about Tape Op. Perhaps that's because you have to pay for a subscription up here and it works out to a ridiculous amount per issue - $9.90CAN! However, I'm fortunate enough to have a brother living in the US, so he get the free sub and sends it to me. Tape Op is the only mag I know of that embraces both analog and digital technology, both with gusto. A great inspiration to novices, DIYers, and professionals! May their reels roll on forever...and who knows, maybe one day they'll find a way to let Canadians in on the free meal.[8^) By the way, I've got a TB303 for sale - original box, carry case, and manual - in minimally used condition. Anyone want it for the going rate, whatever that might be today? Interested parties email me off-list. your friendly next-door-neighbourhood daily lurking digest subscriber, Shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 13:17:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02727; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:16:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBB0B01.3F8489E2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:19:22 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 3 References: <20020415143056.92513.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg House wrote: > --- Andre LaFosse wrote: > > > http://tapeop.com/subscription.php > > > > It'll take one minute to fill out the form, > > ...and then several months before they actually figure out that you did > and start sending you the magazines. Guess I shouldn't complain, since > it IS free. > > > It's the music magazine equivalent of a really cool independent > > record store that always has interesting stuff to check out. > > Good analogy. The indie record shop will have great music that you > can't (or wouldn't) find anywhere else, and it'll probably also have a > bunch of stuff that you don't care for. TapeOp is like that for me. > > I like the vibe of the thing, and there's good practical stuff in it, > but it seems to want to glorify the "lofi" aspect of recording. Perhaps > that's to encourage people that anyone can get in and get their feet > wet, but it appears to depreciate want a really _good_ recording studio > has to offer. > > Don't get me wrong, I love home recording and I think anyone who wants > to do it should give it a try. It's great when people can produce a > great record on a small budget, but it would be stupid to think that a > warehouse somewhere with a couple of ADATs and Mackie can somehow > produce the same results as the Record Plant, or that a $500 Rode mic > really sounds as good as a U67. Now, depending on what you're doing, > you might not NEED the sound quality of a U67 or Studio A at Ocean Way > (especially true in the experimental music realm many of you live in), > but really nothing compares. > > Greg > not to start a tapeop debate here, but i don't see larry crane's editorial viewpoint arguing for adats/mackie somehow equivalent to SSL's and studers. there may be articles written from a lo-fi viewpoint, but i think the magazine is fairly balanced in that respect- if anything it's gotten a lot more oriented toward higher-end gear as of late. for example, i wish i could afford to travel around with several dozen channels of summit preamps, like featured engineer bryan carlstrom in the latest issue does...or have all the wonderful analog synthesis capabilities of john mcintire's soma studio at my disposal...i think the focus is more on the debate about how much control/creativity/intelligence can be brought to the recording experience without succumbing to the status quo of places like the record plant, which, god love it, probably doesn't have the time or interest to try out some of the more novel approaches one typically finds in the pages of tapeop... respectfully, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 13:46:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04298; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c1e4a4$54704d60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <00e001c1e48a$b56c2db0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:37:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No because the start/stop messages are just like midi clock- it doese,nt matter what chanel you are on because the info is broadcast on all channels regardless of selection. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > i may be misunderstanding your problem, but can't you solve > this by setting his repeater to a different channel than your repeater? > > >... the issue is that I am using everything on > > a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine > > which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of > > the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the > > start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay > > attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using > > a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the > > software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time > > clock etc. Any info appreciated. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 14:03:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05495; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:57:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:57:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c1e4a6$b896a8f0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <00e001c1e48a$b56c2db0$080210ac@jpalmer> <008301c1e4a4$54704d60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:55:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com would this apply? (from the most recent repeater manual): Advanced MIDI RT tweaking In some situations it may be desirable for Repeater to NOT send out MIDI RT start, stop and SPP messages. The output of these messages can be inhibited/enabled by sending Repeater the Inhibit MIDI RT Control CC message. The Inhibit MIDI RT Control CC message is: CC: 112 value: 0-63 (off) 64-127 (on) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Novey" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > No because the start/stop messages are just like midi clock- it doese,nt > matter what chanel you are on because the info is broadcast on all channels > regardless of selection. > > c > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim palmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > > > > i may be misunderstanding your problem, but can't you solve > > this by setting his repeater to a different channel than your repeater? > > > > >... the issue is that I am using everything on > > > a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine > > > which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of > > > the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the > > > start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay > > > attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using > > > a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the > > > software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time > > > clock etc. Any info appreciated. > > > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 14:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07333; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020415135825.00ae4768@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:03:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: used 421 caveat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as regards used 421's - just want to say that i think the world of 421's. i also know that they're the world's #1 leading "most-dropped-microphone-ever" owing to their uniquely frivolous mounting; clip which makes it very easy to position this mic at/near drums - or down on the floor, hard. def. an ownable mic, but purchasers of used 421's should look very carefully at the housing of the unit they're planning to buy. what dennis said was: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:54:11 -0500 From: "Dennis Leas" Good advice, Michael! I also use SM57s alot. They work fine. In most situations I prefer one or two Sennheiser MD421 mics, though. I bought some used '421s for a good price, not much more than a '57 a few years ago. You might check around. Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 14:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08163; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c1e4a9$5498a3a0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <00e001c1e48a$b56c2db0$080210ac@jpalmer> <008301c1e4a4$54704d60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <00b701c1e4a6$b896a8f0$6445230a@melon> <001601c1e4a7$c5c0c1e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:14:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry cliff, hope you don't mind if i post this to the list, i gotta subscribe with an account that i can properly set replies for ... mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Michael LaMeyer" Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > Hehe- YES! That helps- and of course it was in the manual- I'm smart. > Thanks!! > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael LaMeyer" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > > > > would this apply? > > > > (from the most recent repeater manual): > > > > Advanced MIDI RT tweaking > > In some situations it may be desirable for Repeater to NOT send > > out MIDI RT start, stop and SPP messages. The output of these > > messages can be inhibited/enabled by sending Repeater the > > Inhibit MIDI RT Control CC message. > > > > The Inhibit MIDI RT Control CC message is: > > > > CC: 112 > > value: 0-63 (off) 64-127 (on) > > > > mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clifford Novey" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:37 PM > > Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > > > > > > > No because the start/stop messages are just like midi clock- > > it doese,nt > > > matter what chanel you are on because the info is broadcast on > > all channels > > > regardless of selection. > > > > > > c > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jim palmer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > > > > > > > > > > i may be misunderstanding your problem, but can't you solve > > > > this by setting his repeater to a different channel than > > your repeater? > > > > > > > > >... the issue is that I am using everything on > > > > > a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being > > controlled by mine > > > > > which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi > > Out of any of > > > > > the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock > > to- the > > > > > start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which > > does not pay > > > > > attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out > > without using > > > > > a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and > > installed the > > > > > software for it but it only maps/converts messages other > > than real-time > > > > > clock etc. Any info appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 15:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13692; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:33:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:33:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <033801c1e4b4$69535640$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <20020415155129.31183.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Miking Congas Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:33:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-EhlrB.A.bVD.Asyu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best sounding recording setup I ever used was an MD421 at the rim of the congas and an AKG D-112 underneath. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" > I talked with someone on another mailing list who was using the small > Sennheiser (condenser) mics with the clips on them, who said that he > really liked them. I haven't heard 'em myself. Anyone have any feelings about the best small clip-on drum mics? I have seen the Sehnnheiser, the Audix, the AKG, and the Audio Technica ones. I have not been able to A/B them. I am looking to mic a doumbek live. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 15:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13398; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:28:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:28:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <033701c1e4b3$a0adace0$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020414013751.02df64c0@marathon.simons-rock.edu> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:27:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <62AoyC.A.vQD.0myu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I am the odd man out. I am Director of R&D at a software company. But I have produced a couple of indy albums. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 15:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14407; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415194049.25620.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <033701c1e4b3$a0adace0$7502a8c0@digex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah yes, the day gig. I do systems integration work and software development for a company that makes computer storage products (disk arrays). Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 15:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14561; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c1e4b5$c9b85980$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020415194049.25620.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:43:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0Sfr6D.A.DjD.A2yu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do we get a Loopers Disk Array Discount? :) C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > Ah yes, the day gig. > > I do systems integration work and software development for a company > that makes computer storage products (disk arrays). > > Greg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 15:54:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15079; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAE5@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:51:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E4B6.FDF66A10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E4B6.FDF66A10 Content-Type: text/plain hmmm. we did this before. i copy edit and proofread stuff - - right now i'm working on training materials for a new suv for a major japanese auto maker. hmmmm tasty. stig -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Ah yes, the day gig. I do systems integration work and software development for a company that makes computer storage products (disk arrays). Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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hmmm. we did this before.

i copy edit and proofread stuff - - right now i'm working= on training materials for a new suv for a major japanese auto maker.

hmmmm tasty.


stig

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Ah yes, the day gig.

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E4B6.FDF66A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 16:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16976; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:07:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:07:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c1e4b9$181cae20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20020415194049.25620.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:06:53 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I'm not looking for work (firing CVs off to the UK and the US, hawking my artistic, musical, computing and business experience!); do a monthly cartoon for Medialine (http://www.medialinenews.com, archives at http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html); and playing Quake III Arena as "Spud Patrol!". Oh, and filling in the time until recently as the secretary for our block's committee (tons of letters to everyone including the managing agents who "run" the block - though "ruin" might be more accurate, as this is after all the UK, where one doesn't ever own the land completely! Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 16:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16772; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:03:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c1e4b8$62509c50$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020415155129.31183.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> <033801c1e4b4$69535640$7502a8c0@digex.net> Subject: Re: Miking Congas Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:01:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what about phase relationships with this setup? have you ever had/tried to reverse polarity on the 112, or does the distance from the drum head mic make that consideration unnecessary? depends? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vance Gloster" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Miking Congas > The best sounding recording setup I ever used was an MD421 at the rim of the > congas and an AKG D-112 underneath. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg House" > > I talked with someone on another mailing list who was using the small > > Sennheiser (condenser) mics with the clips on them, who said that he > > really liked them. I haven't heard 'em myself. > > Anyone have any feelings about the best small clip-on drum mics? I have > seen the Sehnnheiser, the Audix, the AKG, and the Audio Technica ones. I > have not been able to A/B them. I am looking to mic a doumbek live. > > -Vance > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 16:18:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17575; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035d01c1e4ba$648e9380$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: Cc: "Michael LaMeyer" References: <20020415155129.31183.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> <033801c1e4b4$69535640$7502a8c0@digex.net> <013201c1e4b8$62509c50$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: Miking Congas Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:16:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" > what about phase relationships with this setup? have you ever > had/tried to reverse polarity on the 112, or does the distance > from the drum head mic make that consideration unnecessary? > depends? I always try the phase both ways when working with multiple mic setups. The correct phase is something that I don't think you can predict because it depends on mic distance. I try inverting the phase and leaving it uninverted and whichever one sounds better I use. If neither one sounds good I move the mics until it starts working. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 16:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17895; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBB435A.1C74215D@wanadoo.fr> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:17:14 +0200 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: behringer foot stuff References: <200204151718.NAA02815@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7B63x.A.XXE.GXzu8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a bit late but, Andy, can you tell me which version of the FCN you have? If it is like the Vamp i own, the revision II would be far better than it's predecessor... Olivier malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 16:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18692; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415203018.58180.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009f01c1e4b5$c9b85980$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haha! I wish! The "accessories" (host adapters, cables, etc) will kill ya, they're all fibrechannel. Greg --- Clifford Novey wrote: > Do we get a Loopers Disk Array Discount? > :) > C > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg House" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > > > Ah yes, the day gig. > > > > I do systems integration work and software development for a > company > > that makes computer storage products (disk arrays). > > > > Greg > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 16:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18292; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:25:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:25:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19a.ba58fd.29ec90e7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:24:07 EDT Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19a.ba58fd.29ec90e7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_19a.ba58fd.29ec90e7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/02 4:50:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: > Then press the Insert button on the footpedal as > fast as you can, repeatedly (for 30 seconds at least). andre!.....is this natural?.....michael k --part1_19a.ba58fd.29ec90e7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/02 4:50:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes:


Then press the Insert button on the footpedal as
fast as you can, repeatedly (for 30 seconds at least). 


andre!.....is this natural?.....michael k --part1_19a.ba58fd.29ec90e7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 17:08:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21538; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:03:24 +0800 Subject: anyone have a boss wp20g wave generator From: Darrell Havard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1XDgEC.A.9PF.jC0u8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/8/02 1:54 PM, Darrell Havard at darrell367@earthlink.net wrote: > I was wondering if anyone owns or has played with a boss wp20g wave > generator. It's in the same production line as the RC-20 and the Amp > Factory. It runs off of a midi pickup and generates sine, square, and saw > waves. I'm thinking of going midi on my stick just to get those sounds, and the wp20 seems a bit more affordable than maybe a whole keyboard tone module setup, and I don't feel like digging a moog. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 17:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22515; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:26:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415212537.96846.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CBB0B01.3F8489E2@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- lance glover wrote: > not to start a tapeop debate here, but i don't see larry crane's > editorial > viewpoint arguing for adats/mackie somehow equivalent to SSL's and > studers. Of course, you're right. Larry's one of the analog guys. My example with ADATs wasn't really a very good one. Perhaps I didn't articulate what I was trying to say very well. It was basically that over the last couple of years of reading TapeOp, it just gives me an overall feeling that they want to overly emphasize the lo-fi aspect of things. Creativity is an excellent thing. But nothing is going to make my basement sound like the Record Plant. It just wasn't designed for that. >...i think the focus is more on the > debate about how much control/creativity/intelligence can be brought > to the recording experience without succumbing to the status quo of > places like the record plant, which, god love it, probably doesn't > have the time or interest to try out some of the more novel > approaches one typically finds in the pages of tapeop... Not meaning to insult you, Lance, but this is exactly the kind of statement that I'm complaining about from TapeOp, the insinuation that if you have great tools and a great space, you're somehow going to be less creative and more "status quo" then if you don't. I think a creative person will do creative work no matter where they work. But hey, we're on the same page really. I LIKE reading TapeOp! It's a good magazine, and I recommend it to a lot of people. But I also like lookin at the big places in Mix. Sure would be nice to have those kind of tools available! Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 18:38:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27143; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:31:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:31:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020415223048.15784.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: cd trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8AGm8C.A.tnG.ZS1u8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pedro felix.....did you get mine, i didnt get yours.....michael k Michael - yes, just got it last week and still listening quite intently. Really nice sounds. i'm not sure what you're using but really like the results. Is this disc only you recording in real time or who/what else in your unit? how did your progression from guitar to other instruments spring up or was that tied into looping more? I was lame in getting your disc out, should be in your hands by tomorrow. you too Dave T.! Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 18:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28228; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mizuho@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:47:22 EDT Subject: Re: anyone have a boss wp20g wave generator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <85l1GB.A.f4G.ji1u8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had one for a day and sent it back. Bad sounds and no way to adjust string balance. Buy a VG-88. That is the answer. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 18:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28520; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:53:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:53:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <35.253658db.29ecb3ab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:52:27 EDT Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35.253658db.29ecb3ab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_35.253658db.29ecb3ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit running a recording studio. brian electric bird noise something about vampires and sluts check out something about vampires and sluts at:::::::: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/382/something_about_vampires_a.html recorded live (one guitar)with an edp.......2 keyboards,bass,vocals and beatbox.........lots of looping! --part1_35.253658db.29ecb3ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit running a recording studio.
brian
electric bird noise
something about vampires and sluts

check out something about vampires and sluts at::::::::
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/382/something_about_vampires_a.html
recorded live (one guitar)with an edp.......2 keyboards,bass,vocals and beatbox.........lots of looping!
 --part1_35.253658db.29ecb3ab_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 19:02:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28412; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:50:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:50:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:52:01 -0700 Message-ID: <008001c1e4d0$27bcce20$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020415153649.27810.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did my tests with no vibration- cool unit- no static. C -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing --- jim palmer wrote: > maybe try using a single footswitch with just the insert resister > attached. > in other words, either disconnect all the other switches in your edp > pedal, > or connect a switch directly to a jack and trigger by hand... > > if it is still happening, this will at least eliminate the > possibility that the other > switches or wiring are at fault. > > if it stops happening then i would test each switch separately > to see if mechanical movement causes false triggers. > or maybe just connect the fs to edp and shake it... That's a good idea, perhaps vibration is causing false triggering on the other switches. Another thought is that it might have something to do with static. That's often a problem in carpeted areas especially in the wintertime when heating equipment dries out the air. I've seen static do some seriously strange things to electronic equipment from time to time. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 19:35:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31753; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:33:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBB629D.CC2599B@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:30:38 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing References: <19a.ba58fd.29ec90e7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > andre!.....is this natural?.....michael k Michael K!...you're probably asking the wrong guy. :() --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 19:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32211; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBB63F7.8F283472@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:36:23 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing References: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> <3CBA9131.6CB27119@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6bzsSD.A.q2H.ZS2u8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit wrote: > my finger and feet hurt but I could'nt get your exclusive bug :=) I suffered for my art, and now it's your turn. :() Thanks for checking on it. > is the bug happening with a cool machine too Yes indeed - and again, I must emphasize that the bug appears localised to a FOOTPEDAL rather than an EDP. Time to look for clues in some crop circle formations, I think... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 20:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02109; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:02:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1e4da$023de9e0$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: Subject: Loop4 for EDP Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:02:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E49F.53F0AF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E49F.53F0AF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing has been heard for a couple of months about Loop4. Any = indications when it looks like it will be ready? I just got my EDP = today and it has a note in it that Loop4 will be available soon. And is = it still possible to get the beta, if the released version will not be = ready for a while? -Vance ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E49F.53F0AF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nothing has been heard for a couple of = months about=20 Loop4.  Any indications when it looks like it will be ready?  = I just=20 got my EDP today and it has a note in it that Loop4 will be available=20 soon.  And is it still possible to get the beta, if the = released=20 version will not be ready for a while?
 
-Vance
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E49F.53F0AF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 20:11:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02500; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:10:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:10:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:11:25 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c1e4db$3fd6d860$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E4A0.93780060" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <000e01c1e4da$023de9e0$7502a8c0@digex.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E4A0.93780060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Target completion date is April 24th- but Congress didn=92t pass any = laws about it. =20 C =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Vance Gloster [mailto:vgloster@microvault.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop4 for EDP =20 Nothing has been heard for a couple of months about Loop4. Any indications when it looks like it will be ready? I just got my EDP today and it has a note in it that Loop4 will be available soon. And is it still possible to get the beta, if the released version will not be ready for a while? =20 -Vance =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E4A0.93780060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Target completion date is April = 24th- but Congress didn=92t pass any laws about it.

 

C

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Vance Gloster [mailto:vgloster@microvault.com]
Sent: Monday, April 15, = 2002 5:03 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Loop4 for = EDP

 

Nothing has been heard for = a couple of months about Loop4.  Any indications when it looks like it will = be ready?  I just got my EDP today and it has a note in it that Loop4 = will be available soon.  And is it still possible to get the beta, = if the released version will not be ready for a while?

 

-Vance

 

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E4A0.93780060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 20:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03898; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:35:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:35:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020416003436.92957.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: loopy gig in NYC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <35.253658db.29ecb3ab@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will be wrangling loops this Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 9:30 p.m. @ Chama 332 East 4th Street btw C/D nyc, ny $2 646-654-6472 employing two Digitech delays and an EDP I loop, layer, alter, et cetera in real time, sans midi, synths, samples or even (gasp!) reverb. If any of ya'll can make it out, please be sure to say hello. i'll have some discs which I (usually) give away at gigs and if anyone has something (of their own art/music) they'd like to trade, i'd be very interested in same. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 20:43:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03519; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:32:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:32:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're interested. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 21:50:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09502; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBB8336.378C0779@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:50:10 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 3 References: <20020415212537.96846.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg House wrote: > --- lance glover wrote: > > not to start a tapeop debate here, but i don't see larry crane's > > editorial > > viewpoint arguing for adats/mackie somehow equivalent to SSL's and > > studers. > > Of course, you're right. Larry's one of the analog guys. My > example with ADATs wasn't really a very good one. > > Perhaps I didn't articulate what I was trying to say very well. It was > basically that over the last couple of years of reading TapeOp, it just > gives me an overall feeling that they want to overly emphasize the > lo-fi aspect of things. > > Creativity is an excellent thing. But nothing is going to make my > basement sound like the Record Plant. It just wasn't designed for that. > >...i think the focus is more on the > > debate about how much control/creativity/intelligence can be brought > > to the recording experience without succumbing to the status quo of > > places like the record plant, which, god love it, probably doesn't > > have the time or interest to try out some of the more novel > > approaches one typically finds in the pages of tapeop... > > Not meaning to insult you, Lance, but this is exactly the kind of > statement that I'm complaining about from TapeOp, the insinuation that > if you have great tools and a great space, you're somehow going to be > less creative and more "status quo" then if you don't. I think a > creative person will do creative work no matter where they work.... greg, of course YOU'RE right. where one works (or how many neumanns/neves/pultecs/vintage les pauls/portastudios/radio shack pzm's/noisy stomp boxes/casios, etc. one has access to) has little if anything to do with one's creativity. i shouldn't generalize so. i guess i get caught up in the indie credo myself from time to time, only because i personally can't afford to book a two-week stint at places like the record plant! i lust for great tools and a great space like most everyone on this list (and probably the vast majority of the readers of tapeop as well). but these things don't make great music by themselves...if some people are starting to learn to record well with fewer means (and in most cases, that means a lot more today than it did 10 or even 5 years ago, with so much technology getting so much cheaper) then by the time they can afford the really good stuff, they'll be that much better. at least that's my theory. i think it's a really exciting time to be making music... cheers, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 22:20:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11622; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:19:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:19:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17.26b40fda.29ece3fb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:18:35 EDT Subject: Re: cd trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.26b40fda.29ece3fb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17.26b40fda.29ece3fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/02 6:31:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pfelix28@yahoo.com writes: > i'm not sure what you're > using but really like the results. Is this > disc only you recording in real time or who/what else > in your unit? > it just me in real time..... <> i had the casio cz-5000 since 87 and it makes some funky sounds.....i went to other sound makers due to guitar "frustration"..... also playing "live" i think just guitar can become boring not only to me but to the listeners.....ill loop just about anything and find "charm" in it.....glad you enjoyed.....cant wait to give your cd a listen.....michael k --part1_17.26b40fda.29ece3fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/02 6:31:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pfelix28@yahoo.com writes:


i'm not sure what you're
using but really like the results. Is this
disc only you recording in real time or who/what else
in your unit?


it just me in real time.....

<<how did your progression from guitar to other
instruments spring up>>

i had the casio cz-5000 since 87 and it makes some funky sounds.....i went to other sound makers due to guitar "frustration"..... also playing "live" i think just guitar can become boring not only to me but to the listeners.....ill loop just about anything and find "charm" in it.....glad you enjoyed.....cant wait to give your cd a listen.....michael k
 --part1_17.26b40fda.29ece3fb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 23:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16140; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP wiring - please help Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:17:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2002 03:17:19.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[37C67D00:01C1E4F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All- well, as you might know, I just got the EDP and it's great but I have a problem and I am hoping someone can help. I am running a guitar synth (has no effects sends) which has a mono and stereo output. Usually I put both outs into my main keyboard amp and then connect that to another to get stereo effects. With the EDP however, I only can put the mono output from the synth into the EDP and then the EDP output is going into the main amp. The right (stereo) out from the synth is going into the main keyboard amp. Although both amps generate equal sound, the sound is MONO. All the stereo effects (Panning, tap delay etc) get flattened when I go through the EDP. Is there anyway I can get a stereo sound while using the EDP in this setup? Maybe a Y cable? or a Splitter Box? I hope something simpler than a mixer- I mean it's only me playing. ANY help at all would be very much appreciated. Thanks Kevin _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 15 23:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16074; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:17:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:17:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1e4f4$ed89aaa0$cb68fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: anyone have a boss wp20g wave generator Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:15:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com although you also want to check out a vg-8ex, a little cheaper, and it seems to be stronger on the HRM (resynthesis) than the vg-88, which focused more on better amp/guitar models. i've had a chance to compare both. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: anyone have a boss wp20g wave generator > I had one for a day and sent it back. > Bad sounds and no way to adjust string balance. > Buy a VG-88. That is the answer. > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 00:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20474; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Epoch: 1018930904 X-Sasl-enc: 8r6uUmA+ZVAVHynCZydHrQ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:28:11 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Miking Congas Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20020416042141.551B36D9A0@fastmail.fm> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA20420 Resent-Message-ID: <4dJNb.A.T_E.ib6u8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Generally when someone hires me to do sound and percussion instruments (e.g. congas, jembe) are involved I grab the nearest small diaphragm condensor. (On the jembe I add a PZM underneath.) Another possibility is K&K Sound. They are a small Oregon company that I have had good results with. I have only used their pickups and transducers so I cant recommend their mics from experience but I have been pleased with what I have used so far. They are at www.kksound.com ---Jazwell Wankerl phone: 715.833.2290 cell: 920.980.8311 'Duckbill Glass' Synths * Samples Effects * Engineering I Wonder as I Wander... ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ "He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad." -R Sabatini ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ J, S J 3:8, 11:35 A 17 1C 2:2, C 3:16-17 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 02:02:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28098; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:01:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020416060049.6937.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:00:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: FYI - Mackie B-Stock at Zzounds To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like a lot of mixer for the money. http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.MACCR1604B&z=1353017136888 If I win the lottery tomorrow, I'll buy one for each of you! :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 02:21:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29036; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:15:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP wiring - please help Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:14:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8dZD7B.A.vEH.NF8u8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there anyway I can get a stereo sound while using the EDP in > this setup? > Maybe a Y cable? or a Splitter Box? I hope something simpler than > a mixer- I > mean it's only me playing. ANY help at all would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks > > Kevin Hi, I would recommend using a mixer and putting the EDP on an aux send or a bus. Then bring back the EDP output into the mixer and mix it in with your direct signal playing. Direct signal playing will be possible in stereo while EDP looped material have to be all mono, unless you decide to use a separate stereo effect for the EDP signal. Best wishes Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 03:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04347; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:53:11 -0700 Subject: Re: OT Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3CBB8336.378C0779@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, On the other hand, as an ex recording engineer, I can tell you that, to quote my friend Cindy, "Money changes everything." If you've got the meter running at $200+ an hour and a record company breathing down your back, you're not going to be apt to try a lot of new wacky stuff. However, if you can own the gear (and you can own some amazing gear for not too much, in this day and age) and really learn how to use it, then you're on your way. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 06:50 PM, lance glover wrote: >> >> Not meaning to insult you, Lance, but this is exactly the kind of >> statement that I'm complaining about from TapeOp, the insinuation that >> if you have great tools and a great space, you're somehow going to be >> less creative and more "status quo" then if you don't. I think a >> creative person will do creative work no matter where they work.... > > greg, > > of course YOU'RE right. where one works (or how many > neumanns/neves/pultecs/vintage les pauls/portastudios/radio shack > pzm's/noisy stomp boxes/casios, etc. one has access to) has little if > anything to do with one's creativity. i shouldn't generalize so. i > guess i > get caught up in the indie credo myself from time to time, only > because i > personally can't afford to book a two-week stint at places like the > record > plant! i lust for great tools and a great space like most everyone on > this > list (and probably the vast majority of the readers of tapeop as well). > but these things don't make great music by themselves...if some people > are > starting to learn to record well with fewer means (and in most cases, > that > means a lot more today than it did 10 or even 5 years ago, with so much > technology getting so much cheaper) then by the time they can afford the > really good stuff, they'll be that much better. at least that's my > theory. > i think it's a really exciting time to be making music... > > cheers, > lance g. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 04:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09893; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:42:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c1e4f0$4c240ec0$1af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:42:04 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you go with a little mixer (best way to do what you want on the cheap, imho), check out raven labs...i believe they make a small (half-rack) mixer, although there are many units from which to choose. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 08:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31913; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:54:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2002 12:54:46.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[E312AA80:01C1E545] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the advice. I did figure out a way last night to get both signals running- but it is uneven and I don't think it will work as a final solution. I looked at mini mixer reviews today and I think I'm going to get a Soundcraft Spirit Note Pad. It got highest reviews from a few places and is small, inexpensive etc. If anyone has any other advice- I would be glad to hear it. Again, thanks for the help Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 10:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10711; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020416141931.58884.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:19:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: cd trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17.26b40fda.29ece3fb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/15/02 6:31:06 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > pfelix28@yahoo.com writes: > > i'm not sure what you're > > using but really like the results. Is this > > disc only you recording in real time or who/what > else> > in your unit? > > it just me in real time..... damn great results. a vocal quality and still quite gnarly in some places. just what I like! > < instruments spring up>> > > i had the casio cz-5000 since 87 and it makes some > funky sounds.....i went to > other sound makers due to guitar "frustration".....> also playing "live" i > think just guitar can become boring not only to me > but to the > listeners.....ill loop just about anything and find > "charm" in it.....glad > you enjoyed.....cant wait to give your cd a > listen.....michael k > ditto as to finding the charm in just about anything ya can loop. the more I play the guitar, the more I approach it as an instrument with strings and pickups and anyone can call it what they like, i'd just like to get as many sounds out of the bugger as possible. that's also one of the reasons I stopped usuing distortion and effects. live i've been trying to find that place also where the audience feels that their presence is actually taking the music somewhere different. I think it's working, just got to chat up some folks before the gig and get a feel for them. I was smart/lucky enough to have spent about 5 years doing spoken word and learned to gauge an audience without the pressures of having an instrument anywhere near. good for the senses. Are the venues in Pitts. receptive to your music? because I think you'd make a pretty good musical experience. check your Fed Ex this morning :) you too Dave T. in OR, got some kin in your fine town btw, great eats around campus! bestest, Pedro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 10:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11566; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:30:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:30:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:25:28 -0400 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <008c01c1e552$8f067a90$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the Aurisis Products page: "The EDP software has depth and breadth of Dirk Digglerian proportions, indeed." - Tom Spaulding, Former Oberheim Product Manager .....With that said, I'm looking forward to the new rev as well! D Thanks and best regards, Dylan DeAnda dylan@loudcloud.com 703-653-6883 "What is it men cannot be made to believe!" -Thomas Jefferson -----Original Message----- From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 9:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're interested. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 11:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16290; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <180.6dc3f13.29ed96b3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:01:07 EDT Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_180.6dc3f13.29ed96b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_180.6dc3f13.29ed96b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/02 4:42:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes: > if you go with a little mixer very shortly you will want a bigger one!.....michael k --part1_180.6dc3f13.29ed96b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/02 4:42:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfowler@prodigy.net writes:


if you go with a little mixer


very shortly you will want a bigger one!.....michael k --part1_180.6dc3f13.29ed96b3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 11:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16470; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sashjo@aol.com Message-ID: <170.c2c574b.29ed9729@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:03:05 EDT Subject: Re: Custom Klein For sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: <0d90iB.A.wAE.O1Dv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Custom Klein built by Steve Klein and Lorenzo German in 1995. This guitar is cherry red transluscent so you can see body grain. Very beautiful. Lots of Pics available upon request. Body is swamp ash / chambered / Very resonant and warm, articulate. Neck is mahogany. Super smooth feel. Trans Trem / You know these things. Amazing and accurate / Transpose whole chords in pitch / Pickups are three Bardens / Strat Deluxe type in Neck and Middle / Gets a great fat neck sound and all the inbetween type strat thing. Bridge pickup is the Barden Humbucker push/pull. When pulled up emulates a spanking tele type sound. When pushed down a gorgeous thick humbucker. These Bardens are very touch sensitive. Lots of gain. This Klein can be very warm and sweet or edgy depending on how you dial in / play/ your volume etc. etc. Versatile instrument. 5 position switch / Last two bridge position are the push/pull ones. Soft shell gig bag sold by Klein included in sale with guitar. These guitars take a long time if you have one made. Here is one beauty ready to be shipped. This one aside from the smallest dents in the finish ( truly tiny ) is practically mint. I did gig and record with it a lot. Not a collector. Please e mail with questions or if you want pics. Please serious interest only. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 11:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18281; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sashjo@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.25c9a3fa.29ed9b86@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:21:42 EDT Subject: re: Custom Klein for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: <1MlMdC.A.YbE.zGEv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The price of the Klein is $3800. Thanks First message describes instrument. Please e mail idf interested or want pics. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 11:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18329; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:22:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2002 15:22:44.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E708280:01C1E55A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you go with a little mixer very shortly you will want a bigger one!.....michael k That's what I tell my wife- I'm not a musician anymore- I'm a collector of gadgets who happens to play music LOL Best Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 11:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20324; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:44:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:44:50 -0700 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006101c1e55d$a5302680$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CAE5@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm an unemployed cad jockey / hardware designer / engineer who skateboards and daddys a lot right now. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 11:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20985; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RC-20 review Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:50:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E55E.7C0603A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E55E.7C0603A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I get the impression not a lot of other people use the Boss RC-20. I got it primarily because it's Boss, had long loops, and was affordable. Are there other RC-20 users on the list? Seems like the EDP and Repeater are most common. On the whole I like the pedal, esp for the price point (225 used) Things I see holding it back: + No midi synch. This seems so easy I can't explain why it's not on there. + Limited time stretch. + Also seems to be a minimum loop time (I might not have learned this properly yet) which won't allow you to get lower than 1 second. I was hoping to make sub-second/stuttering loops. Anyone else have similar experiences or opinions on the pedal? Ben ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E55E.7C0603A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RC-20 review

I get the impression not a lot of other people use = the Boss RC-20. I got it primarily because it's Boss, had long loops, = and was affordable. Are there other RC-20 users on the list? Seems like = the EDP and Repeater are most common.

On the whole I like the pedal, esp for the price = point (225 used) Things I see holding it back:

+ No midi synch. This seems so easy I can't explain = why it's not on there.
+ Limited time stretch.
+ Also seems to be a minimum loop time (I might not = have learned this properly yet) which won't allow you to get lower than = 1 second. I was hoping to make sub-second/stuttering loops.

Anyone else have similar experiences or opinions on = the pedal?

Ben

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E55E.7C0603A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 12:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21536; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <24.23fa7b49.29eda35d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:55:09 EDT Subject: Re: cd trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.23fa7b49.29eda35d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_24.23fa7b49.29eda35d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/02 10:20:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pfelix28@yahoo.com writes: > i'd just like to get as many > sounds out of the bugger as possible indeed!....."D3" proves this..... <> audience as feedback source is great, if they are tappin their toes and smilin i feel more free to do "my thing" and if they look like something stinks then i may reconsider what im doing, when they just sit there like a bunch-o-zombies then i really get worried..... <> what a nice thing to hear, thank you.....several times people have actually come up to me and given me a "i dont know what you just did but it was great" and that was better than being paid for the gig.....i think there are more venues willing to try a more "experimental" music here in pittsburgh and i hope this trend continues to grow.....last year, my music was more guitar centric, "jazzy" with lots of melody, toe tappin "pretty stuff", i kind of cut loose at an art opening with this newer stuff and it seemed to go over well although there were a few raised eyebrows.....the main thing i think about now regarding playing out live is the aspect of "performance", its one thing to see an old fat guy wankin on guitar and to see an ofg twistin knobs, rick walker, now im not sayin he's an ofg, was a great inspiration to me with his sense of "show", to paraphrase rob zombie: "no one ever came up to me after a show and said that i gave too much"..... pedro.....thanks for the cd, i hate commenting on music till i give a cd several listens but so far, this first run through was right up my alley, more later.....thanks.....michael k --part1_24.23fa7b49.29eda35d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/02 10:20:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pfelix28@yahoo.com writes:


i'd just like to get as many
sounds out of the bugger as possible


indeed!....."D3" proves this.....

<<live i've been trying to find that place also where
the audience feels that their presence is actually
taking the music somewhere different>>

audience as feedback source is great, if they are tappin their toes and smilin i feel more free to do "my thing" and if they look like something stinks then i may reconsider what im doing, when they just sit there like a bunch-o-zombies then i really get worried.....

<<Are the venues in Pitts. receptive to your music?
because I think you'd make a pretty good musical
experience>>

what a nice thing to hear, thank you.....several times people have actually come up to me and given me a "i dont know what you just did but it was great" and that was better than being paid for the gig.....i think there are more venues willing to try a more "experimental" music here in pittsburgh and i hope this trend continues to grow.....last year, my music was more guitar centric, "jazzy" with lots of melody, toe tappin "pretty stuff", i kind of cut loose at an art opening with this newer stuff and it seemed to go over well although there were a few raised eyebrows.....the main thing i think about now regarding playing out live is the aspect of "performance", its one thing to see an old fat guy wankin on guitar and to see an ofg twistin knobs, rick walker, now im not sayin he's an ofg, was a great inspiration to me with his sense of "show", to paraphrase rob zombie: "no one ever came up to me after a show and said that i gave too much".....

pedro.....thanks for the cd, i hate commenting on music till i give a cd several listens but so far, this first run through was right up my alley, more later.....thanks.....michael k

 --part1_24.23fa7b49.29eda35d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 12:04:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23306; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sashjo@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.cd9391c.29eda4c3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:01:07 EDT Subject: Klein for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $3800 Custom Klein built by Steve Klein and Lorenzo German in 1995. This guitar is cherry red transluscent so you can see body grain. Very beautiful. Lots of Pics available upon reguest. Body is swamp ash / chambered / Very resonant and warm, articulate. Neck is mahogany. Super smooth feel. Trans Trem / You know these things. Amazing and accurate / Transpose whole chords in pitch / Pickups are three Bardens / Strat Deluxe type in Neck and Middle / Gets a great fat neck sound and all the inbetween type strat thing. Bridge pickup is the Barden Humbucker push/pull. When pulled up emulates a spanking tele type sound. When pushed down a gorgeous thick humbucker. These Bardens are very touch sensitive. Lots of gain. This Klein can be very warm and sweet or edgy depending on how you dial in / play/ your volume etc. etc. Versatile instrument. 5 position switch / Last two bridge position are the push/pull ones. Soft shell gig bag sold by Klein included in sale with guitar. These guitars take a long time if you have one made. Here is one beauty ready to be shipped. This one aside from the smallest dents in the finish ( truly tiny ) is practically mint. I did gig and record with it a lot. Not a collector. Please e mail with questions or if you want pics. Please serious interest only. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 12:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24061; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <115.1005966d.29eda65e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:07:58 EDT Subject: unnatural To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andre.....i rapidly tapped on the "stack" button on my rang for 30 seconds, oh yea!.....i can feel where you're comin from baby!.....seriously (sure) though, thanks for this idea, i am becoming very interested in short loops and what can be done with them over a longer period of time.....perhaps the next time i do this, i wont fall down.....michael k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 12:45:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27889; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:36:56 EDT Subject: Re: Klein for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jc, you really oughta post this to the *klein* list (somewhere at yahoo), also. dude! best, dt >$3800 Custom Klein built by Steve Klein and Lorenzo German in 1995. > >This guitar is cherry red transluscent so you can see body grain. Very > >beautiful. Lots of Pics available upon reguest. > >Body is swamp ash / chambered / Very resonant and warm, articulate. > >Neck is mahogany. Super smooth feel. > > Trans Trem / You know these things. Amazing and accurate / Transpose whole > >chords in pitch / > >Pickups are three Bardens / Strat Deluxe type in Neck and Middle / Gets >a >great fat neck sound and all the inbetween type strat thing. > >Bridge pickup is the Barden Humbucker push/pull. When pulled up emulates >a >spanking tele type sound. When pushed down a gorgeous thick humbucker. >These >Bardens are very touch sensitive. Lots of gain. This Klein can be very >warm >and sweet or edgy depending on how you dial in / play/ your volume etc. >etc. >Versatile instrument. > >5 position switch / Last two bridge position are the push/pull ones. > > Soft shell gig bag sold by Klein included in sale with guitar. > > These guitars take a long time if you have one made. Here is one > >beauty ready to be shipped. This one aside from the smallest dents in the > >finish ( truly tiny ) is practically mint. I did gig and record with it >a >lot. Not a collector. > > Please e mail with questions or if you want pics. Please serious interest > >only. Thanks > > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (rly-xd02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.167]) >by air-xd05.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXD54-0416120210; >Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:02:10 -0500 >Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) >by rly-xd02.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXD29-0416120154; >Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:01:54 -0400 >Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23253; > Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:01:48 -0400 >Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:01:48 -0400 >Old-Return-Path: >From: Sashjo@aol.com >Message-ID: <13d.cd9391c.29eda4c3@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:01:07 EDT >Subject: Klein for sale >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 8 >Resent-Message-ID: >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18839 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 13:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32668; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020416171601.87435.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: FYI - Mackie B-Stock at Zzounds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020416060049.6937.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we're holding you to that! --- John Tidwell wrote: > It looks like a lot of mixer for the money. > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.MACCR1604B&z=1353017136888 > > If I win the lottery tomorrow, I'll buy one for each > of you! :) > > John > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 13:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32551; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020416171421.39795.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: RC-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got the pedal and was pretty happy with it for about a week and then i noticed all of its shortcomings. although the price tag is about half of that of the edp and repeater and less than all of the other pieces available...the question you need to ask yourself is "what am i planning to do with this in the long run?" it is a great toy, but without all of the functionality of the other devices, are you going to outgrow the rc-20 really quickly? by you being on this list, i'm guessing that you are actively trying to do something more with loops than just having something in the background and although boss makes pretty reliable boxes...it just isn't the beast that the repeater and edp are. some situations, you can go with lower end gear depedning on what you are doing, but for loop based stuff, you really need to make the plunge into the real deal stuff...again, depends on what you are doing...but having sync abilities and midi is super important to use this gear practically...but the rc-20 is a really fun and expensive toy for someone looking for that extra texture. just my opinion...e va n --- "Reid, Benjamin" wrote: > I get the impression not a lot of other people use > the Boss RC-20. I got it > primarily because it's Boss, had long loops, and was > affordable. Are there > other RC-20 users on the list? Seems like the EDP > and Repeater are most > common. > > On the whole I like the pedal, esp for the price > point (225 used) Things I > see holding it back: > > + No midi synch. This seems so easy I can't explain > why it's not on there. > + Limited time stretch. > + Also seems to be a minimum loop time (I might not > have learned this > properly yet) which won't allow you to get lower > than 1 second. I was hoping > to make sub-second/stuttering loops. > > Anyone else have similar experiences or opinions on > the pedal? > > Ben > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 13:30:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01276; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:28:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:28:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c1e539$affec310$3ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "JAMES R FOWLER, III" To: References: <20020416171421.39795.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-20 review Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:27:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > it is a great toy, but without all of the functionality of the other devices, are you going to outgrow the rc-20 really quickly? same situation with the akai headrush...best bet is to spend a little extra and get a pant-load of great bells and whistles. the akai was a great learning tool to get used to playing along with yourself, getting your foot to be more accurate, etc. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 13:37:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01000; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c1e538$fe891310$3ef8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <180.6dc3f13.29ed96b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:22:27 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1E541.5F43AC30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1E541.5F43AC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well, i went with a switchblade, so my applicable knowledge of how and = why to use a mixer is very limited... -jim ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1E541.5F43AC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well, i went with a switchblade, so = my applicable=20 knowledge of how and why to use a mixer is very limited...
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1E541.5F43AC30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 13:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01683; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:31:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:31:08 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP footpedal strangeness and a request for public testing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04e201c1e56c$7e97f0c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3CBA938E.82FF2BB1@altruistmusic.com> <016201c1e48f$e8e40b40$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > will try test on mine (oberheim edp with my custom footswitch) tonight... was able to get multiply to trigger on mine in replace mode, but only occasionally and with very rapid presses of ~10/sec (had to use my hand for this, no can do with foot) at this rate, i believe the buttons were not fully disengaging. certainly the actuator was not returning to full up. i tried this with record as well and actually got a parameter button activation... how rapidly are you pressing insert? i think something may be happening with debounce... i don't have an original edp fs, so i can't do the shake test. have you tried using a single switch? also there are several quantize and insert options, several of which i have never used. how exactly is yours set? does changing these have any effect on the error? i assume you are using loop mode (don't know if that makes any difference) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 13:43:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02821; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:41:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:41:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:40:35 EDT Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 15/04/02 23:54:38 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > I'm a bit late but, Andy, can you tell me which version of the FCN you > have? > If it is like the Vamp i own, the revision II would be far better than > it's predecessor... > FCB1010, there's only one version, but there's a new EPROM with a couple of minor features. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:04:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05784; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:02:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3CBC6670.E9BDD443@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OT Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 3 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:01:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2002 18:01:53.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA2A1D20:01C1E570] Resent-Message-ID: <_bdIuD.A.7ZB.wcGv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder how much of the draw of large expensive studios, to record companies, comes from the fact that they are so expensive that what you get out is always bland enough to sell well? Kind of, you pay more, so it will be more crappy, but that's what we want. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "lance glover" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: Re: OT Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 3 > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > On the other hand, as an ex recording engineer, I can tell you that, to > > quote my friend Cindy, "Money changes everything." If you've got the > > meter running at $200+ an hour and a record company breathing down your > > back, you're not going to be apt to try a lot of new wacky stuff. > > However, if you can own the gear (and you can own some amazing gear for > > not too much, in this day and age) and really learn how to use it, then > > you're on your way. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > point. > > lance g. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05474; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:59:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:59:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBC6670.E9BDD443@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:01:54 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: Tape Op Magazine Take 3 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > On the other hand, as an ex recording engineer, I can tell you that, to > quote my friend Cindy, "Money changes everything." If you've got the > meter running at $200+ an hour and a record company breathing down your > back, you're not going to be apt to try a lot of new wacky stuff. > However, if you can own the gear (and you can own some amazing gear for > not too much, in this day and age) and really learn how to use it, then > you're on your way. > > Mark Sottilaro point. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:15:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06360; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c1e571$8d158ef0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Fw: anyone have a boss wp20g wave generator Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:07:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *sigh* reply header .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: "Michael LaMeyer" Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: anyone have a boss wp20g wave generator > what are your feelings on filters with wave > generators? anyone, please chime in...i've been > researching and shopping for a good filter and any and > all advice is appreciated... > > regards, e va n > > --- Michael LaMeyer wrote: > > although you also want to check out a vg-8ex, a > > little cheaper, > > and it seems to be stronger on the HRM (resynthesis) > > than the > > vg-88, which focused more on better amp/guitar > > models. i've had > > a chance to compare both. > > > > mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: anyone have a boss wp20g wave generator > > > > > > > I had one for a day and sent it back. > > > Bad sounds and no way to adjust string balance. > > > Buy a VG-88. That is the answer. > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07822; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fb01c1e573$ff8e4c40$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop4 for EDP Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:24:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8ITbXD.A.S4B.HyGv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're > interested. I had checked there first. The latest news on the Aurisis site is from Aug. 1988. I greatly appreciate Om Audio letting us know that Kim & Co. are trying to get it out this month. I am certainly looking forward to it. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08567; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:34:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:34:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBC6E88.DA7BE11@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:33:45 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought a Spirit 8FX and was amazed at how cheap and flimsy it feels compared to my Mackie board. The sound is fine, though. I'm not sure I'd bring this box out on the road. (the reason I purchased this mixer is that my 1402 did not have a direct out for each channel, which I need so I can monitor all the input channels to my MOTU 828) Mark kevin gallagher wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I did figure out a way last night to get both signals > running- but it is uneven and I don't think it will work as a final > solution. > > I looked at mini mixer reviews today and I think I'm going to get a > Soundcraft Spirit Note Pad. It got highest reviews from a few places and is > small, inexpensive etc. If anyone has any other advice- I would be glad to > hear it. > > Again, thanks for the help > > Kevin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08956; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:35:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:23:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00fb01c1e573$ff8e4c40$7502a8c0@digex.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a feature list anywhere? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're > > interested. > > I had checked there first. The latest news on the Aurisis site > is from Aug. > 1988. I greatly appreciate Om Audio letting us know that Kim & Co. are > trying to get it out this month. I am certainly looking forward to it. > > -Vance > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09744; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:44:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c1e576$760623a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <3CBC6E88.DA7BE11@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:42:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1E66uC.A.-WC.TDHv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Behringer MX-802 is solid. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Re: EDP wiring - please help > I bought a Spirit 8FX and was amazed at how cheap and flimsy it feels compared > to my Mackie board. The sound is fine, though. I'm not sure I'd bring this > box out on the road. (the reason I purchased this mixer is that my 1402 did > not have a direct out for each channel, which I need so I can monitor all the > input channels to my MOTU 828) > > Mark > > kevin gallagher wrote: > > > Thanks for the advice. I did figure out a way last night to get both signals > > running- but it is uneven and I don't think it will work as a final > > solution. > > > > I looked at mini mixer reviews today and I think I'm going to get a > > Soundcraft Spirit Note Pad. It got highest reviews from a few places and is > > small, inexpensive etc. If anyone has any other advice- I would be glad to > > hear it. > > > > Again, thanks for the help > > > > Kevin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 14:46:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09785; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:44:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:44:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c1e576$75f55ac0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop4 for EDP Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:41:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8KzgVB.A.fXC.XDHv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Search the archives- I think some of it it is there somewhere- C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP > > Is there a feature list anywhere? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > > perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're > > > interested. > > > > I had checked there first. The latest news on the Aurisis site > > is from Aug. > > 1988. I greatly appreciate Om Audio letting us know that Kim & Co. are > > trying to get it out this month. I am certainly looking forward to it. > > > > -Vance > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 15:10:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12619; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:04:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:52:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00c401c1e576$75f55ac0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well if you find it let me know, tried several word combinations but failed to find the motherlode. I actually like the understated hype (oxymoron!) about this upgrade. I recall there will be saved parameter sets, and that alone excites me. NG > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loop4 for EDP > > > Search the archives- I think some of it it is there somewhere- C > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Goldstein" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:23 AM > Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP > > > > > > Is there a feature list anywhere? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > > perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're > > > > interested. > > > > > > I had checked there first. The latest news on the Aurisis site > > > is from Aug. > > > 1988. I greatly appreciate Om Audio letting us know that Kim > & Co. are > > > trying to get it out this month. I am certainly looking > forward to it. > > > > > > -Vance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 15:22:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14131; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:20:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e901c1e57b$88399de0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop4 for EDP Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:17:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200110/msg00499.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP > Well if you find it let me know, tried several word combinations but failed > to find the motherlode. I actually like the understated hype (oxymoron!) > about this upgrade. I recall there will be saved parameter sets, and that > alone excites me. > > NG > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:42 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Loop4 for EDP > > > > > > Search the archives- I think some of it it is there somewhere- C > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neil Goldstein" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:23 AM > > Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP > > > > > > > > > > Is there a feature list anywhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > > perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're > > > > > interested. > > > > > > > > I had checked there first. The latest news on the Aurisis site > > > > is from Aug. > > > > 1988. I greatly appreciate Om Audio letting us know that Kim > > & Co. are > > > > trying to get it out this month. I am certainly looking > > forward to it. > > > > > > > > -Vance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 16:13:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19289; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Miking Congas Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:10:00 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 29 2001) Message-Id: <20020416201001.UDLZ15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to thank everyone who replied regarding conga miking for the excellent information. I learned a lot! Regards, Paul > Generally when someone hires me to do sound and percussion instruments (e.g. > congas, jembe) are involved > I grab the nearest small diaphragm condensor. (On the jembe I add a PZM > underneath.) > > Another possibility is K&K Sound. They are a small Oregon company that I have > had good results with. > I have only used their pickups and transducers so I cant recommend their mics > from experience but I > have been pleased with what I have used so far. > They are at www.kksound.com > > ---Jazwell Wankerl > phone: 715.833.2290 > cell: 920.980.8311 > > 'Duckbill Glass' > Synths * Samples > Effects * Engineering > > > I Wonder as I Wander... > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > "He was born with the gift of laughter > and a sense that the world was mad." > -R Sabatini > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > J, S > J 3:8, 11:35 > A 17 > 1C 2:2, C 3:16-17 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 17:09:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23129; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020416205711.42557.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Re: RC-20 review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pretty happy with mine. It is my first looper, so maybe my expectations are low. Certainly it has limited functions, and in fact I don't use a lot of what it has. For the essential record, repeat, and overdub it is fine. The biggest 'gotcha' is that for many of the functions you have to stop the loop that is playing and hit the 'write' button. The missing function most needed in my opinion is an 'undo'. There are several lengthy reviews on the Loopers Delight page for more opinions. Yours in rhythm, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- I get the impression not a lot of other people use the Boss RC-20. I got it primarily because it's Boss, had long loops, and was affordable. Are there other RC-20 users on the list? Seems like the EDP and Repeater are most common. On the whole I like the pedal, esp for the price point (225 used) Things I see holding it back: + No midi synch. This seems so easy I can't explain why it's not on there. + Limited time stretch. + Also seems to be a minimum loop time (I might not have learned this properly yet) which won't allow you to get lower than 1 second. I was hoping to make sub-second/stuttering loops. Anyone else have similar experiences or opinions on the pedal? Ben __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 20:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11033; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020417005510.64040.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > FCB1010, there's only one version, but there's a new > EPROM with > a couple of minor features. > > andy > is the new eprom standard with new boards from the manufacturer? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 16 21:58:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14504; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:51:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:51:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020417015119.7657.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204161833.OAA08317@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I demo'd the RC-20 at Sam Ash, and while it seemed interesting, it does have numerous shortcomings, ie you don't seem to be able to change speed, and as far as I can tell, you can't go into reverse mode without first stopping the loop (maybe you need the footswitch to do it on the fly while the loop is still running). Right now, I'm more interested in picking up a Boomerang, and perhaps later, I may consider the RC-20 again, when I get up to using multiple loops (which I eventually want to get into) simutaneously. I'm also looking at maybe getting an EDP, as well, but we'll see what happens when I get to that point. I also need to make up my mind what to get in regards to a mixer for the purposes of fading different loops in and out, etc. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 06:07:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27860; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:06:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:06:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <92.2452f76c.29eea2ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:04:30 EDT Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_92.2452f76c.29eea2ae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_92.2452f76c.29eea2ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am a 4th grade teacher in a public school who is on vacation this week. yee haw!! =-) PJ --part1_92.2452f76c.29eea2ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am a 4th grade teacher in a public school who is on vacation this week. yee haw!! =-) PJ --part1_92.2452f76c.29eea2ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 07:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02236; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1e603$1a6c9aa0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <92.2452f76c.29eea2ae@aol.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:29:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1E5E1.93103600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1E5E1.93103600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do the operating system maintenance for 4 Compaq/Tandem Himalaya = NonStop fault-tolerant mainframes. I'd rather be selling hoagies at the = beach but it pays for my toys. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: PJBMHB@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:04 AM Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? i am a 4th grade teacher in a public school who is on vacation this = week. yee haw!! =3D-) PJ=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1E5E1.93103600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do the operating system maintenance = for 4=20 Compaq/Tandem Himalaya NonStop fault-tolerant mainframes. I'd rather be = selling=20 hoagies at the beach but it pays for my toys.
 
Regards, Paul
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i am a = 4th grade=20 teacher in a public school who is on vacation this week. yee haw!! = =3D-)=20 PJ ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1E5E1.93103600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 08:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07939; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1e60a$2059c4e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: References: <92.2452f76c.29eea2ae@aol.com> <000901c1e603$1a6c9aa0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:19:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E5E0.3715DFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E5E0.3715DFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm a graduate student in Jazz Studies at the University of North Texas. Yeah, Jim, I'm back on the list. Kevin Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E5E0.3715DFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm a graduate student in Jazz Studies = at the=20 University of North Texas.
 
Yeah, Jim, I'm back on the = list.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E5E0.3715DFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 09:02:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12346; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:01:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:00:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Loop4 for EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >perhaps www.aurisis.com will some info if you're >interested. > >-jim I doubt it... not yet. First the info will go to this list! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 09:03:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12378; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:00:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RC-20 review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I get the impression not a lot of other people use the Boss RC-20. I >got it primarily because it's Boss, had long loops, and was >affordable. Are there other RC-20 users on the list? Seems like the >EDP and Repeater are most common. > >On the whole I like the pedal, esp for the price point (225 used) >Things I see holding it back: > >+ No midi synch. This seems so easy I can't explain why it's not on there. well, I spent years... >+ Limited time stretch. >+ Also seems to be a minimum loop time (I might not have learned >this properly yet) which won't allow you to get lower than 1 second. >I was hoping to make sub-second/stuttering loops. You are on the wave: the EDP upgrade focusses on such short sound mounting / chopping up -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 09:03:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12387; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020417015119.7657.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020417015119.7657.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:00:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Right now, I'm more interested in picking up a >Boomerang, and perhaps later, I may consider the >RC-20 again, when I get up to using multiple >loops (which I eventually want to get into) >simutaneously. I'm also looking at maybe getting >an EDP, as well, but we'll see what happens when >I get to that point. I also need to make up my >mind what to get in regards to a mixer for the >purposes of fading different loops in and out, >etc. > consider using syncable loopers if you go for several. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 09:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14289; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:23:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:23:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:22:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E612.E56E3790" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E612.E56E3790 Content-Type: text/plain I direct marketing communications for Cakewalk, I great way to spend my time if I can't be making music. Outside of here, I paint, kayak, hike, and read when not making music. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Brunkhorst [mailto:kbrunkhorst@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? I'm a graduate student in Jazz Studies at the University of North Texas. Yeah, Jim, I'm back on the list. Kevin Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E612.E56E3790 Content-Type: text/html

I direct marketing communications for Cakewalk, I great way to spend my time if I can't be making music.  Outside of here, I paint, kayak, hike, and read when not making music.

 

Carl

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Brunkhorst [mailto:kbrunkhorst@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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I'm a graduate student in Jazz Studies at the University of North Texas.

 

Yeah, Jim, I'm back on the list.

 

Kevin

Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping?

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E612.E56E3790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 09:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14732; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c1e613$2c118f80$6ee75cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #264 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:14:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #264 April 11, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Saul Stokes, a synthesist who builds his own instruments and feels that live performance is where his music is best created. The Featured CD at midnight was "A Collection of Live Recordings" released by the artist in handmade boxes. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "Caution" by Pure Gamma on the Defective Records label. I played the music of Eric Wollo who will be at the Gathering on April 27. I also played music by artists to appear at the Space for Music festival in Nashville, Tennessee. Saul Stokes http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#apr Eric Wollo http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Pure Gamma Liquid Sky Caution (Defective Records) Ashra Sunrain @shra Vol. 2 (MG-Art) Eric Wollo Going North Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Eric Wollo Awakening Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Spacecraft Return Inside the Inside (Spotted Peccary) Robert Rich Carapace Hides the Bestiary (Release) Delivery T-Bass UK Gazing at the Edge of The Fabulous Neutrinos Forever (Infection Music) vidnaObmana Moedra Tremor (Release) Zero Ohms The Locard Principle Atma-spheric Surfaces (ZOP OPUS) 12:00 am Saul Stokes Gathering 15 Collection of Live Recordings Saul Stokes KUGS Radio Collection of Live Recordings Saul Stokes Ambient Consortium Collection of Live Recordings 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the the month-long focus on Saul Stokes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Washed in Mercury" on the Hypnos label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "X" by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 10:20:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20480; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:18:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:18:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: myoder@dusty.tamiu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:55:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Yoder Subject: Re: RC-20 review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ben, The RC-20 and the Line 6 share equal time as my main loopers. I don't really do quick loops, but I do a lot of stacked thick stuff: e-bow bass parts, for example, and both loopers do a wonderful job of not sounding muddy. I like both about equally. Both are easy to use on the fly. The Line 6 is better in that it has other delay effects, including the ability to add delay to the "solo" part not looped. The Boss is better in that it can store multiple loops. For my purposes, I see no need for anything more sophisticated in terms of the looper itself, but I'm now toying with ways to archive and recall loops across time and space (IOW to reproduce previously recorded loops at performances.) The solution I'm going to start with is the Korg Electribe S sampler/sequencer for that purpose. For the bucks, you can't go wrong with the RC-20. Best, Michael >I get the impression not a lot of other people use the Boss RC-20. I >got it primarily because it's Boss, had long loops, and was >affordable. Are there other RC-20 users on the list? Seems like the >EDP and Repeater are most common. > >On the whole I like the pedal, esp for the price point (225 used) >Things I see holding it back: > >+ No midi synch. This seems so easy I can't explain why it's not on there. >+ Limited time stretch. >+ Also seems to be a minimum loop time (I might not have learned >this properly yet) which won't allow you to get lower than 1 second. >I was hoping to make sub-second/stuttering loops. > >Anyone else have similar experiences or opinions on the pedal? > >Ben -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies Texas A&M International University Department of Social Sciences 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 10:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23672; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:58:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:58:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:56:44 -0500 Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #264 From: "Richard J. Roberts" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c1e613$2c118f80$6ee75cd1@-> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA23581 Resent-Message-ID: <6JXUnC.A.swF.j1Yv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill - Thanks so much for the airplay! And though we didn't have a chance to speak to each other, it was good to see you at the Space For Music Festival in Nashville last weekend!! Thanks for coming! Wasn't the show awesome? I hope this finds you well, and I wish you all the Best, Richard -- Richard J. Roberts / ZERO OHMS http://members.safepages.com/zeroohms/ spaceformusic.com/zeroohms zeroohms@surfbest.net > > Show #264 April 11, 2002. > I played the music of Eric Wollo who will be at the Gathering on April 27. > I also played music by artists to appear at the Space for Music festival in > Nashville, Tennessee. > PLAYLIST: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== > ============================== > 11:04 pm > Pure Gamma Liquid Sky Caution (Defective Records) > Ashra Sunrain @shra Vol. 2 (MG-Art) > Eric Wollo Going North Wind Journey (Spotted > Peccary) > Eric Wollo Awakening Wind Journey (Spotted > Peccary) > Spacecraft Return Inside the Inside (Spotted > Peccary) > Robert Rich Carapace Hides the Bestiary (Release) > Delivery > T-Bass UK Gazing at the Edge of The Fabulous Neutrinos > Forever (Infection Music) > vidnaObmana Moedra Tremor (Release) > Zero Ohms The Locard Principle Atma-spheric Surfaces (ZOP > OPUS) > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 11:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27418; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Wed, 17 Apr 02 10:34:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:26:42 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: OT: Ragamaster wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apologies for non-loop content, but given the eclectic nature of this crowd, I figured this would be a good place to ask. Does anyone have or has anyone seen lately a Ragamaster bridge for guitar? I would like to purchase one, but they've been out of production for *quite a while*. Thanks, folks. -K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 11:51:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29083; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:42:44 -0700 From: glenn Subject: bill walker/rick walker, levin, marotta,fast,gress To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 4/16, Santa Cruz's Rio theater, Bill Walker opening for the Tony Levin band: Arrived late (misunderstood when the show started), saw one song plus the slide work augmented by what Rick accomplished with only a glass vase partially filled with fluid and a metal vase plus a little vocal drumming all of which should be etched into the minds of every person at that show (including the TLEV band members, who were also great) for life. Few who have lived may have such a delicate sense of just what would be would sound absolutely perfect at a given moment within a groove. Looking forward to the next gig. glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 12:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03201; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:51:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:51:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020417165101.37832.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-TQbbC.A.Wx.8fav8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually reverse is one of the few functions that doesn't require stopping the loop and writing it to memory. What I have found is that recording the first loop in reverse doesn't work. The initial loop has to be forward, then the overdubs can be reverse and it is easy(if you've got good toe control(this is why I wear sandals!)) to switch between the two. I'm having some fun finding instrustruments which sound interesting backwards and the big winner is the ting-cha. This is a Tibetan chime, two heavy disks connected with a cord. The sound is an instantaneous note with very long sustain, so in reverse you hear a normal ringing which very suddenly stops. Yours in rhythm, Steve PS: Hey inventors! Foot switches(pedals) are so done. How about a toe board? ------------------------------------------------------------- I demo'd the RC-20 at Sam Ash, and while it seemed interesting, it does have numerous shortcomings, ie you don't seem to be able to change speed, and as far as I can tell, you can't go into reverse mode without first stopping the loop (maybe you need the footswitch to do it on the fly while the loop is still running). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 12:57:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03518; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: Open Space within a loop is my friend....And, what I do with MY EDP. Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:49:38 -0400 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <001201c1e62f$dd6798d0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA03442 Resent-Message-ID: <8nnG9.A.C2._hav8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a mix of edp technique, composition epiphany (for me at least), and what I do with the edp I m not trying to dictate any protocol, just sharing a few of the ways I use the edp. In addition to this tirade, I recorded an example of some of these methods. I recorded it this morning before coming to work, no breakfast, it's all improvised, unedited and quite rough, but it's just an example, made from "scratch" ....The only problem is I don't have an ftp/http server to host the file for download. (If anyone wants to loan me about 17MB of space on their server, for a few days, I'd greatly appreciate it.) I had an epiphany the other day in relation to my looping and use of the edp. It s helped my sound improve (as far as I m concerned) a few levels, and allowed me to get a little more variety and space in my loops, while I am freestyling, composing, noodling or whatever. I just discovered the value of leaving a few open beats in the loop. Then as the loop rolls through, accent where you like, in a more relaxed, composed fashion, and if I need some breathing room, it s already there. Less obtrusive than trying to mute to the beat, organic silence&.why didn t I think of this sooner&.tsk tsk. Spread it out. Don t try to jam it all in there in one pass, roll slowly with it, nurture the loop. I figure if it works out well, and I do want to be able to do it fast on the fly, I can just go back over it, listen to it, reproduce it, practice it and chop it down for efficiency, until I can do it at whatever tempo I want, but not until I get a GOOD loop. Since I am doing 4-8 bar loops, I have been trying to get a sound that doesn t sound like the same 4 or 8 bars over and over. I was trying to make the whole loop at once, I was thinking about how I wanted it to sound en totale and then trying to get that into the initial bass/rhythm loop&..wondering why it all sounded crammed in there. In addition, it allows you to multiply it out to n loops and then you can sprinkle in flava wherever you deem necessary, get a little on the fringe, and still be grounded by the constant of the audible or looped beat (1 bar drums/bass then 1 bar silence, or 2 bars noise then 1 silence) that is every other bar&&season to taste. I use 2 turntables, (DJ)mixer, and an edp. What I like to do with my Turntables and my EDP: Record: I like to take a beat , and scratch/cut a few beats into a few bars, leave a few bars open for later on, then multiply to stretch it out. Sometimes I record 1 beat, multiply it to 4, insert silence or accents appropriately, then multiply it out to 16/32/33/99, whatever and have fun from there. An interesting technique that Andre threw out to me : Record and end with Insert. This starts creating sub-loops within your main loop. I use it like this: Record at beat 1, first insert right before beat 3 I now have 2 beat sub-loops recording, as many as I want. I cut off the record and now I now have 8 2-beat sub-loops in my super-loop, all a little different. I figure out which ones I like, then proceed to start my multiply right before the target 2 beat loop, multiply it for 4 sub-loops (total of 8 beats). This produces a whole new shape to the loop, since the beats are just a little bit off from the previous. >From this point, I can do more surgery on the loop that I m working with, then multiply it out. Now here s where the LaFosse Neurosurgery takes place: You can hit undo on a sub-loop that will run through the other sub-loops, so you can shuffle your sub-loops around within your super-loop, kind of like that one game you got at elementary school carnivals, the flat piece of plastic with the little plastic tiles inside that you have to shuffle around each other to make a picture of a pensive monkey or a cow wearing a silly hat&&&Remember those?.....no?....ok, well it doesn t matter in this context. Variation: Record a really short, empty loop (1/4 second or really fast press) multiply it out to around a 4 second loop, so that you have around 16 or so sub-loops, at this point, you have a 4 second loop divided into 16 parts. I like to overdub and then pitch bend a long tone (beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep), up and down or to whatever melody I can concoct in my noggin at the time. I overdub across all 16 subs. >From here I multiply this out, to say 32, and start to undo 1/16th sub at a time, this allows me to make a new song as I undo a 16th and it gets replaced with another from down the line, tra-la-la ing up and down the scales. You can get some very fast arpeggios that are more precise than trying to lay them down by hand. Another Variation: Record 2 or 4 beats and end with multiply. This throws the edp into multiplying your 2 beats and you re overdubbing what you re playing, working double duty, and creating new rhythms. I use a breakbeat, record 4 beats, end with multiply, and let the record play for 4 beats and cut it for 4 or 8 beats, as it s multiplying. This gives a spicy little 4 bar fill of the beats doubling up, retarding, accelleradoing, or wappin around, it s a whole new beat from the same 4 beats&wheee!!! A fun little beat juggle exercise. I do a little surgery with multiplying, until I am happy with the size of it, then I start to fill in the gaps. Overdub: Overdub to mark my turnarounds and drop accents and stabs into the loop, insert to break up monotony and sometimes reverse a beat I sometimes use the cymbals at different pitches (reversed for the aforementioned szwap) overdubbed at different intervals (different start points in the loop) so that it can build up or sort of phaze up to a crescendo or accent of a beat/bar. It comes off a bit drum and bassey, but not correctly (I ve read the guide on the LD site about d&b looping/percussing, but I m still digesting it), since I don t have the skills to whip up one of those d&b ghost beats, yet. If anyone has any good advice on programming d&b with an edp, I d appreciate the knowledge. I like to use overdub with spoken word records, so that you can rearrange a speech passage mixing up the words, to refocus the orators message to your liking, scratch out a beat, or let one trickle languidly underneath, glue it (overdub) to the spoken words you ve just rewritten and then little roll for a few loops. Overdub helps me to smooth out the loops, by melding the end of loop into the beginning. Feedback: I like to add some dynamics (this is something that I need to work on in my loops, which is why the open space thing is such a discovery for me, since it allows me to switch it up every few bars.) with feedback fading out the loop, and then undoing the fade outs, so that it s a sort of ebb and flow back and forth. Or use the feedback to fade a long tone in and out by turning down the feedback where you want to bring it s volume down a bit, then bringing it back up to bring the sound in again, or soften out a sound by reducing feedback on one pass through the loop. One fun use is to do a really short loop ½ second or as fast as you can get it, so it s firing off like an M-60 (You know that annoying loop that your spouse always walks in when you re doing it, and it sounds terrible), and then multiply it out while fading up and down with the feedback knob, this will fade the machine gun in and out, so that you can get a little rhythm out of the project. Feedback is great to make a dubby, echoey, or even machine-voice-like (really short press of record and turn feedback down to your liking effect over other s voices. It helps add ambiance to a sound, giving it more space. I like the depth or the tail that you can throw on a sound by recording a beat or two, overdubbing, turning feedback down midway for that echo, getting a good rich echo going, then turning up feedback, so that I preserve my last sound clearly, but it s now tailed by itself from the feedback echo. h-h-H-H-HELLO-O-O-o-o-h-h-H-H-HELLO-O-O-o-o-h-h-H-H-HELLO-O-O-o-o-h-h-H- H-HELLO-O-O-o-o Well, I ll save the mail server a few bytes of storage space and cut this one short, just wanted to share some of my uses with y all. Thanks for your valuable time and patience. Be well. D Thanks and best regards, Dylan DeAnda dylan@loudcloud.com 703-653-6883 "What is it men cannot be made to believe!" -Thomas Jefferson Thanks and best regards, Dylan DeAnda dylan@loudcloud.com 703-653-6883 "What is it men cannot be made to believe!" -Thomas Jefferson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 13:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05817; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:04:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2002 17:04:37.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4E85F60:01C1E631] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I'm new to the list and thought this thread would be a good introduction point. I work for SOCAN (Society of Copmposers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada) in Vancouver. I help composers and musicians navigate the music biz, lecture at schools, music conference panels, etc. I've just released my first album of looping music and did my first looping gig last month. I used the DL4 for my album "The Spirit Molecule" and have just purchased a Boomerang and ordered the V2 upgrade. Saving for an EDP, maybe a Repeater too! Always interested in CD trades with other loopers. Thanx...Terry www.anomalousdisturbances.com >From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? >Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:22:17 -0400 > >I direct marketing communications for Cakewalk, I great way to spend my >time >if I can't be making music. Outside of here, I paint, kayak, hike, and >read >when not making music. > > > >Carl > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Brunkhorst [mailto:kbrunkhorst@charter.net] >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:20 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > > >I'm a graduate student in Jazz Studies at the University of North Texas. > > > >Yeah, Jim, I'm back on the list. > > > >Kevin > >Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 13:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08463; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:17:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:17:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035401c1e633$8b5ca630$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020417165101.37832.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:15:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm having some fun finding instrustruments which sound > interesting backwards and the big winner is the ting-cha. > This is a Tibetan chime, two heavy disks connected with a cord. > The sound is an instantaneous note with very long sustain, > so in reverse you hear a normal ringing which very suddenly > stops. Yes! Ting-sha's sound great in reverse! Try a triangle, too! As a non-reverse technique, I hit a gong, then quickly make a very short loop as it decays. The idea is to grab a quick "snapshot" of the sound. If you get a really quick snapshot, the sound does not decay very much and you have an infinitely sustained gong (more or less). Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 13:38:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10406; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:37:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 17 Apr 2002 17:35:55 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "timothy crowe" Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.8-8 Sender: seemso@directvinternet.com Message-Id: <20020417103555.28281.h004.c007.wm@mail.directvinternet.com.criticalpath.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the rc-20 is a nice tool although the sampling rate is lower than 44.1. i read somewhere that it's in the mid 30's although no one really knows. being able to erase the entire loop with your foot without stopping is nice. Matthias spent only an hour reconfiguring mine so it can send a sync signal out. my phrase jack is being used for this purpose now. but since i've been using the repeater i haven't even touched the rc-20. it's a different class of looping and mixing. the repeater is where loopers meet dj's. hybrid on down. . . On Wed, 17 April 2002, SRice wrote > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Message-Id: <20020417165101.37832.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> > From: SRice > Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:51:44 -0400 > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18874 > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Received: (cpmta 5570 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 09:53:01 -0700 > Received: from 207.228.238.9 (HELO hemlock.violacea.com) > by smtp.c007.snv.cp.net (209.228.33.246) with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 09:53:01 -0700 > Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03201; > Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:51:44 -0400 > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:51:01 -0700 (PDT) > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Resent-Message-Id: <-TQbbC.A.Wx.8fav8@hemlock.violacea.com> > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > X-Received: 17 Apr 2002 16:53:01 GMT > Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: directvinternet.com%seemso@directvinternet.com > Return-Path: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Old-Return-Path: > > Actually reverse is one of the few functions that doesn't > require stopping the loop and writing it to memory. > > What I have found is that recording the first loop in reverse > doesn't work. The initial loop has to be forward, then the > overdubs can be reverse and it is easy(if you've got good > toe control(this is why I wear sandals!)) to switch between > the two. > > I'm having some fun finding instrustruments which sound > interesting backwards and the big winner is the ting-cha. > This is a Tibetan chime, two heavy disks connected with a cord. > The sound is an instantaneous note with very long sustain, > so in reverse you hear a normal ringing which very suddenly > stops. > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > PS: Hey inventors! Foot switches(pedals) are so done. How > about a toe board? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > I demo'd the RC-20 at Sam Ash, and while it > seemed interesting, it does have numerous > shortcomings, ie you don't seem to be able to > change speed, and as far as I can tell, you can't > go into reverse mode without first stopping the > loop (maybe you need the footswitch to do it on > the fly while the loop is still running). > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 14:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15120; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:10:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex with foot controller for sale :( Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:09:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2002 18:09:10.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8F7DE10:01C1E63A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All- I just bought this echoplex and although it is very very cool, it is not what I was really looking for. So, I wanted to return it to Alto music, but because I don't have the original packaging (accidently threw it out with the trash) - they won't take it back. They said (again) that echoplex's are not being made anymore by Gibson and it could only be returned with all the original packaging. So, I am asking if anyone in the group would like to buy it with or without a foot controller before I end up putting it on Ebay. It's in mint condition (one week old). I'd like to get $560 for it (I bought it for $650). $620 with the controller. The controller could be sold seperately for $70 (I paid $100). I'm in New York City if anyone wants to come check it out. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me at my personal e-mail - gallaghk1719@earthlink.net or call 646-796-9711 Thanks Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 14:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17713; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:41:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:41:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c1e63f$4a675a60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: DJ Shadow on KCRW Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:40:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1E604.9C6E0C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1E604.9C6E0C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DJ Shadow on KCRW right now (live on line too and will be archived on = line too) he speaks of loops on cd/turntables etc.. Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1E604.9C6E0C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DJ Shadow on KCRW right now (live on line too and = will be=20 archived on line too) he speaks of loops on cd/turntables = etc..
Cliff
http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C1E604.9C6E0C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 15:29:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22794; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c1e613$68548060$43f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <92.2452f76c.29eea2ae@aol.com> <000901c1e603$1a6c9aa0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <000e01c1e60a$2059c4e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:25:55 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1E61B.C8F501D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1E61B.C8F501D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kevin- you're at unt? perhaps you know of one brad williams? he and i went to = school together for a couple of years before he transferred to unt. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1E61B.C8F501D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
kevin-
 
you're at unt?  perhaps you know of one brad=20 williams?  he and i went to school together for a couple of years = before he=20 transferred to unt.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1E61B.C8F501D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 16:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29739; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c1e64f$297ac0c0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: References: <92.2452f76c.29eea2ae@aol.com> <000901c1e603$1a6c9aa0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <000e01c1e60a$2059c4e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <003801c1e613$68548060$43f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:33:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1E625.4050CC60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1E625.4050CC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I play in the Jazz Repertory Ensemble with Brad Williams, three times a = week. He's a good guy. Kevin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jimmy Fowler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? kevin- you're at unt? perhaps you know of one brad williams? he and i went = to school together for a couple of years before he transferred to unt. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1E625.4050CC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I play in the Jazz Repertory Ensemble = with Brad=20 Williams, three times a week.  He's a good guy.
 
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jimmy=20 Fowler
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 = 8:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: what do loopers do = when=20 they're not looping?

kevin-
 
you're at unt?  perhaps you know of one brad=20 williams?  he and i went to school together for a couple of years = before=20 he transferred to unt.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1E625.4050CC60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 17:37:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02862; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:36:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:36:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020417213447.63887.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "marcus savino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:34:46 -0500 Subject: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno X-Originating-Ip: 167.167.177.143 X-Originating-Server: ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: <1AzLZB.A.7r.Wqev8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I am a newbie on this site, so excuse me if I am covering well-travelled territory. I am trying to put together my own Time Lag Accumulator, used by Riley, Eno, Fripp etc. I have done quite a bit of research and have been unable to find a really detailed description/diagram of the proper ways to make this work. So that brings me to my questions: 1. Is there a diagram (besides Eno's Discreet Music jacket) that outlines in detail how to to put one of these together? 2. Is there something specific to Revoxes that make them ideal for this process? Is it necessary to use Revoxes or will Teacs work as well? Thanks, Marcus -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 18:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05849; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:49:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to write music software, as oldtimers will remember. Now I write video effects software. My art time is divided between music (mostly loop and process related stuff with the Nord Modular lately), and video. In terms of gear, I'm more drawn to echo than to loop and capture devices. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 18:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07262; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011401c1e666$bbd47440$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <20020417213447.63887.qmail@mail.com> Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:22:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C1E62C.0D11BBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6tHhmB.A.xwB.TWfv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C1E62C.0D11BBA0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0111_01C1E62C.0D11BBA0" ------=_NextPart_001_0111_01C1E62C.0D11BBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "marcus savino" > I am trying to put together my own Time Lag Accumulator, used by=20 > Riley, Eno, Fripp etc. I have done quite a bit of research and=20 > have been unable to find a really detailed description/diagram=20 > of the proper ways to make this work. > 1. Is there a diagram (besides Eno's Discreet Music jacket) that=20 > outlines in detail how to to put one of these together? Here is a photo of Fripp with the system: As you can see the feeder reel of the left deck passes tape under the = left deck's head, which is recording. The tape then passes under the = head of the right deck, which is playing, and is taken up on the right = deck's takeup reel. The audio output of the right deck is fed into a = mixer, which mixes the live guitar sound with it and feeds into the = audio input of the left deck. > 2. Is there something specific to Revoxes that make them ideal=20 > for this process? Is it necessary to use Revoxes or will Teacs work as = well?=20 As I understand it most other tape decks (including Teac and Tascam) = have wheels adjacent to both reels that the tape goes over. These = wheels fall to the bottom of their grooves if the tape is not there. If = either of these wheels fall the deck will no longer run. You may be = able to jury-rig tape decks by duct taping the wheels, but this may not = be your best approach. The Revox decks provide superior sound quality = (they were sometimes used for the master mix down in studios back before = DAT machines), which is important for looping. Every minor degradation = gets magnified on each iteration of the loop. A great thing about this approach is that when you are finished, you = just remove the takeup reel from the right deck, rewind it, and you have = a master tape of your performance. This is what Fripp did to record his = Frippertronic albums. They were not recorded using a recording studio's = deck. Good luck putting this together. -Vance ------=_NextPart_001_0111_01C1E62C.0D11BBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message ----- =
From: "marcus savino" <marcuskp@mail.com>
> I am=20 trying to put together my own Time Lag Accumulator, used by =
> Riley, Eno, Fripp etc. I have done = quite a bit=20 of research and
> have been unable to find a really = detailed=20 description/diagram
> of the proper ways to make this=20 work.
> 1. Is there a diagram (besides = Eno's Discreet=20 Music jacket) that
> outlines in detail how to to put = one of these=20 together?
 
Here is a photo of Fripp with the=20 system:
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As you can see the feeder reel of the = left deck=20 passes tape under the left deck's head, which is recording.  The = tape then=20 passes under the head of the right deck, which is playing, and is taken = up on=20 the right deck's takeup reel.  The audio output of the right deck = is fed=20 into a mixer, which mixes the live guitar sound with it and feeds into = the audio=20 input of the left deck.
> 2. Is there something specific to = Revoxes that=20 make them ideal
> for this process? Is it necessary = to use=20 Revoxes or will Teacs work as well?
As I understand it most other tape = decks (including=20 Teac and Tascam) have wheels adjacent to both reels that = the tape=20 goes over.   These wheels fall to the bottom = of their=20 grooves if the tape is not there.  If either of these wheels = fall the=20 deck will no longer run.  You may be able to jury-rig tape decks by = duct=20 taping the wheels, but this may not be your best approach.  The = Revox decks=20 provide superior sound quality (they were sometimes used for the master = mix down=20 in studios back before DAT machines), which is important for = looping. =20 Every minor degradation gets magnified on each iteration of the=20 loop.
 
A great thing about this approach is = that when you=20 are finished, you just remove the takeup reel from the right deck, = rewind it,=20 and you have a master tape of your performance.  This is what Fripp = did to=20 record his Frippertronic albums.  They were not recorded using a = recording=20 studio's deck.
 
Good luck putting this = together.
 
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2002 18:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020417213447.63887.qmail@mail.com> References: <20020417213447.63887.qmail@mail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:26:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:34 PM -0500 4/17/02, marcus savino wrote: >1. Is there a diagram (besides Eno's Discreet Music jacket) that outlines in detail how to to put one of these together? Two tape machines, placed suitably far apart, and well calibrated (speed azimuth, bias, etc.). Feeder reel is placed on the left machine, takeup reel on the right, tape somewhat slacked between the machines. Left hand machine is in record, right hand machine is in play. Feed back [some of] the signal from the right hand play machine into the record machine. Add mixers to taste (perhaps one on the input and one on the output) Lather, Rinse, Repeat. >2. Is there something specific to Revoxes that make them ideal for this process? Is it necessary to use Revoxes or will Teacs work as well? I've done it w/ Tascams, though not for a LONG time. -C -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 18:40:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08634; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:38:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:38:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Wed, 17 Apr 02 17:44:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:36:55 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If memory serves, there was a third component to the revoxes to make sure they were both operating at exactly the same speed, yes? I don't know if this is unique to Revoxes, or is some sort of custom-built item. -K >>> vgloster@microvault.com 04/17/02 06:22PM >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "marcus savino" > I am trying to put together my own Time Lag Accumulator, used by > Riley, Eno, Fripp etc. I have done quite a bit of research and > have been unable to find a really detailed description/diagram > of the proper ways to make this work. > 1. Is there a diagram (besides Eno's Discreet Music jacket) that > outlines in detail how to to put one of these together? Here is a photo of Fripp with the system: As you can see the feeder reel of the left deck passes tape under the left deck's head, which is recording. The tape then passes under the head of the right deck, which is playing, and is taken up on the right deck's takeup reel. The audio output of the right deck is fed into a mixer, which mixes the live guitar sound with it and feeds into the audio input of the left deck. > 2. Is there something specific to Revoxes that make them ideal > for this process? Is it necessary to use Revoxes or will Teacs work as well? As I understand it most other tape decks (including Teac and Tascam) have wheels adjacent to both reels that the tape goes over. These wheels fall to the bottom of their grooves if the tape is not there. If either of these wheels fall the deck will no longer run. You may be able to jury-rig tape decks by duct taping the wheels, but this may not be your best approach. The Revox decks provide superior sound quality (they were sometimes used for the master mix down in studios back before DAT machines), which is important for looping. Every minor degradation gets magnified on each iteration of the loop. A great thing about this approach is that when you are finished, you just remove the takeup reel from the right deck, rewind it, and you have a master tape of your performance. This is what Fripp did to record his Frippertronic albums. They were not recorded using a recording studio's deck. Good luck putting this together. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 18:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09109; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:44:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c1e661$481a8bc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020417213447.63887.qmail@mail.com> <011401c1e666$bbd47440$7502a8c0@digex.net> Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:43:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C1E626.9091BB20"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C1E626.9091BB20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_005A_01C1E626.9091BB20" ------=_NextPart_001_005A_01C1E626.9091BB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like he is in the atrium of some mega-mall in middle Minnesota. :) c ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vance Gloster=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "marcus savino" > I am trying to put together my own Time Lag Accumulator, used by=20 > Riley, Eno, Fripp etc. I have done quite a bit of research and=20 > have been unable to find a really detailed description/diagram=20 > of the proper ways to make this work. > 1. Is there a diagram (besides Eno's Discreet Music jacket) that=20 > outlines in detail how to to put one of these together? Here is a photo of Fripp with the system: As you can see the feeder reel of the left deck passes tape under the = left deck's head, which is recording. The tape then passes under the = head of the right deck, which is playing, and is taken up on the right = deck's takeup reel. The audio output of the right deck is fed into a = mixer, which mixes the live guitar sound with it and feeds into the = audio input of the left deck. > 2. Is there something specific to Revoxes that make them ideal=20 > for this process? Is it necessary to use Revoxes or will Teacs work = as well?=20 As I understand it most other tape decks (including Teac and Tascam) = have wheels adjacent to both reels that the tape goes over. These = wheels fall to the bottom of their grooves if the tape is not there. If = either of these wheels fall the deck will no longer run. You may be = able to jury-rig tape decks by duct taping the wheels, but this may not = be your best approach. The Revox decks provide superior sound quality = (they were sometimes used for the master mix down in studios back before = DAT machines), which is important for looping. Every minor degradation = gets magnified on each iteration of the loop. A great thing about this approach is that when you are finished, you = just remove the takeup reel from the right deck, rewind it, and you have = a master tape of your performance. This is what Fripp did to record his = Frippertronic albums. They were not recorded using a recording studio's = deck. Good luck putting this together. -Vance ------=_NextPart_001_005A_01C1E626.9091BB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like he is in the atrium of some mega-mall in = middle=20 Minnesota. :)
c
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vance=20 Gloster
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 = 4:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: Time Lag = Accumulator,=20 Frippertronics, Eno

----- Original Message ----- =
From: "marcus savino" <marcuskp@mail.com>
> I am=20 trying to put together my own Time Lag Accumulator, used by =
> Riley, Eno, Fripp etc. I have = done quite a=20 bit of research and
> have been unable to find a = really detailed=20 description/diagram
> of the proper ways to make this=20 work.
> 1. Is there a diagram (besides = Eno's=20 Discreet Music jacket) that
> outlines in detail how to to put = one of=20 these together?
 
Here is a photo of Fripp with the=20 system:
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As you can see the feeder reel of the = left deck=20 passes tape under the left deck's head, which is recording.  The = tape=20 then passes under the head of the right deck, which is playing, and is = taken=20 up on the right deck's takeup reel.  The audio output of the = right deck=20 is fed into a mixer, which mixes the live guitar sound with it and = feeds into=20 the audio input of the left deck.
> 2. Is there something specific = to Revoxes=20 that make them ideal
> for this process? Is it = necessary to use=20 Revoxes or will Teacs work as well?
As I understand it most other tape = decks=20 (including Teac and Tascam) have wheels adjacent to=20 both reels that the tape goes over.   These=20 wheels fall to the bottom of their grooves if the tape = is not=20 there.  If either of these wheels fall the deck will no longer = run. =20 You may be able to jury-rig tape decks by duct taping the wheels, but = this may=20 not be your best approach.  The Revox decks provide superior = sound=20 quality (they were sometimes used for the master mix down in studios = back=20 before DAT machines), which is important for looping.  Every = minor=20 degradation gets magnified on each iteration of the loop.
 
A great thing about this approach is = that when=20 you are finished, you just remove the takeup reel from the right deck, = rewind=20 it, and you have a master tape of your performance.  This is what = Fripp=20 did to record his Frippertronic albums.  They were not recorded = using a=20 recording studio's deck.
 
Good luck putting this = together.
 
-Vance
 
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2002 18:50:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:49:18 EDT Subject: more cd trades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.21600a27.29ef55ee_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c3.21600a27.29ef55ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/02 1:06:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anomalousdisturbances@hotmail.com writes: > Always interested in CD trades with other loopers. > terry.....sign me up..... boomerang + user.....nice site and interesting links.....michael klobuchar 352 grace st. pittsburgh, pa. 15211 --part1_c3.21600a27.29ef55ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/02 1:06:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anomalousdisturbances@hotmail.com writes:


Always interested in CD trades with other loopers.


terry.....sign me up..... boomerang + user.....nice site and interesting links.....michael klobuchar 352 grace st. pittsburgh, pa. 15211 --part1_c3.21600a27.29ef55ee_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 18:52:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09854; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:51:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.compact.dhs.org: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Message-ID: <1019083813.3cbdfc25f1024@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting KEVIN SIMONSON : > If memory serves, there was a third component to the revoxes to make > sure they were both operating at exactly the same speed, yes? I don't > know if this is unique to Revoxes, or is some sort of custom-built yes. a varispeed control. "bob" referred to it as a VSO. i don't know how it interfaced with the recorders. good luck with the retro-looping! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 19:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11503; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:58:19 EDT Subject: Loopstock in the news!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, You folks may want to take a little look at "Larry the O's" monthly editorial piece at the back of the May 2002 issue of EM this month. He gave "Loopstock" a nice little write up as part of an article on "Cool Music Scenes." It's not a review or anything but it's a very positive mention. Check it out. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 19:52:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14678; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:49:20 -0400 From: JH.KNICKS@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex with foot controller for sale :( Message-ID: <7ED0D26E.6B27D6C0.006DDF79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1oyeEC.A.4kD.logv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW We will take it back less a restocking fee since we would have to sell it for less If you can find the box please let us know From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 20:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16932; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418001649.77924.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terry - i'd be interested in anthing you may have. I loop with Digitech delays and an EDP. and can be sent to: Pedro Felix 240 East 2nd Street Apt 1B New York, New York 10009 e-mail me your shipping address on or off list and i'll get you some of my music in cd-r. this is starting to get fun! best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- terry o'brien wrote: > Hi All, I'm new to the list and thought this > thread would be a good > introduction point. > > I work for SOCAN (Society of Copmposers, Authors and > Music Publishers of > Canada) in Vancouver. I help composers and > musicians navigate the music > biz, lecture at schools, music conference panels, > etc. > > I've just released my first album of looping music > and did my first looping > gig last month. I used the DL4 for my album "The > Spirit Molecule" and have > just purchased a Boomerang and ordered the V2 > upgrade. Saving for an EDP, > maybe a Repeater too! > > Always interested in CD trades with other loopers. > > Thanx...Terry > www.anomalousdisturbances.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 20:43:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18154; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.79.97.43] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:36:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2002 00:36:15.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C0631B0:01C1E671] Resent-Message-ID: <7DRd_C.A.4aE.dUhv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro, Michael, Emile,...will send CD's - look forward to yours. My address is; Box 170, 125A -1030 Denman St. Vancouver, BC V6G 2M6 Thanx, T >From: Pedro Felix >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: what do loopers do when they're not looping? >Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:16:49 -0700 (PDT) > >Terry - > >i'd be interested in anthing you may have. I loop with >Digitech delays and an EDP. >and can be sent to: >Pedro Felix >240 East 2nd Street >Apt 1B >New York, New York 10009 > >e-mail me your shipping address on or off list and >i'll get you some of my music in cd-r. > >this is starting to get fun! > >best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 > >--- terry o'brien >wrote: > > Hi All, I'm new to the list and thought this > > thread would be a good > > introduction point. > > > > I work for SOCAN (Society of Copmposers, Authors and > > Music Publishers of > > Canada) in Vancouver. I help composers and > > musicians navigate the music > > biz, lecture at schools, music conference panels, > > etc. > > > > I've just released my first album of looping music > > and did my first looping > > gig last month. I used the DL4 for my album "The > > Spirit Molecule" and have > > just purchased a Boomerang and ordered the V2 > > upgrade. Saving for an EDP, > > maybe a Repeater too! > > > > Always interested in CD trades with other loopers. > > > > Thanx...Terry > > www.anomalousdisturbances.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 20:54:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19293; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:52:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:52:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1e640$bfc022a0$12f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <92.2452f76c.29eea2ae@aol.com> <000901c1e603$1a6c9aa0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <000e01c1e60a$2059c4e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <003801c1e613$68548060$43f8c440@g0wn7> <003201c1e64f$297ac0c0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:50:29 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1E649.2069CBD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1E649.2069CBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kevin- tell him "jimmy" from hattiesburg says hello. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1E649.2069CBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1E649.2069CBD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 17 22:55:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28464; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:54:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sean.Forrester@csiro.au Message-ID: <505966A6D241D4118002009027DE57F20135B6D4@eros.sa.csiro.au> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss rc-20 vs Akia Headrush Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:23:16 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E684.306288C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E684.306288C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How does the Boss RC-20 compare to the Akai Headrush?? Looking at purchasing the Boss for Bass loops / guitar overdubs with a drummer for live gigs. Which would be better for free-form bass loops and jamming? Anyone tried out both? Thanks Bierdo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E684.306288C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Boss rc-20 vs Akia Headrush

How does the Boss RC-20 compare to the Akai Headrush??

Looking at purchasing the Boss for Bass loops / guitar overdubs with a drummer for live gigs.
Which would be better for free-form bass loops and jamming?

Anyone tried out both?

Thanks

Bierdo


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E684.306288C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 00:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04586; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:22:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:22:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417175552.0215a360@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:15:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi EDP and Loop fans- This is coming on short notice, sorry about that. Aurisis Research LoopIV Pre-Release Showcase *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** *** Pre-Release Celebration *** Saturday, April 20, 2002 Door open at 7:30pm Demonstration and Concert begins at 9:00 Party with Aurisis Research 11pm until whenever 3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA USA $10 donation requested (to cover Matthias' travel expenses) Aurisis Research will be demonstrating their next-generation looping software, LoopIV, for the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro. Long rumored and years in the making, LoopIV is a new revolution in looping and real-time sampling. Fully compatible with existing EDP hardware, LoopIV will bring new ideas to looping that have never been experienced before. Official Public Release of LoopIV will happen in the coming weeks - this pre-release event is your chance to get an early glimpse of what LoopIV is all about! Matthias Grob, co-founder of Aurisis, inventor of Loop, and legendary looping musician, will be making a rare US performance. In addition to performing his own beautiful music, Matthias will demonstrate many of the new features of LoopIV. Matthias has traveled to California from his home in Brazil for the final stages of software development and the release of LoopIV. He will be returning to Brazil next week for a much-deserved break, so if you are in the SF Bay Area, this may be your last chance to see him play for a long while. Don't miss it! Early copies of LoopIV upgrades for existing Echoplex owners *will* be available for sale. For this event only, discount price will be $75 per upgrade. You must be there to get it! After the demonstration and performance, help Aurisis celebrate the completion of years of work on this project. Some refreshments will be available, however if you can bring along something we won't object! Party! If you are interested, Matthias will be available earlier in the day for more personal and interactive demonstrations of LoopIV. Please contact us to plan a time. If you want to do this, we would appreciate a little extra donation to help Matthias cover his expenses here. Please be sure to lock your car door and don't leave any valuables in it. This is a real city.... See you there!! ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 00:39:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05772; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418043740.87350.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: synchable looping devices? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204171333.JAA15255@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Why is that? My main interest is doing things with different length loops, maybe in different time signatures. I'm not sure being able to synch them up would be of much use to me, as I'm interesting in having the different loops going out of synch. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 00:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07415; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:56:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1e695$9d82dfc0$0900a8c0@devious1> From: "ldarthard" To: "Those cRAZY Loopazoids" Subject: I'm Backkkkkkkkkkkk ! Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:57:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, it's been.... ummm some months since I've been in the "Loop", but hard times, economics and the lack of an ISP has caused me to lapse !!!! Oh, for those who don't know me, it is I Dj Devious D ! (The man who loves Sonic Foundry ACID 3.0). I have not written anything or visited Loppers Delight since October, so please bear with me. I have just been hit with a barrage of emails from the group, so I am gonna go through that, just to see where the group's head is at. I like to say "Wuz Up !!! and Props to my Gurl (G- with URL attached.. I made this one up....) Kim Flint !!!! Last time I was in the group, there was a BIG thread on the echoplex... that did not STOP. Anybody out there just a Software Based Looper (ACID, Orion Pro, Fruity Loops or Mixman )? Hit me up an email. Well, back in the day, we used to say "peace in the middle east", as a salutation, but that's not cutting it, so how about this old standard "peace and hairgrease" ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 02:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15331; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:05:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1019083813.3cbdfc25f1024@www.suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <2wkDLB.A.4uD.UGmv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Quoting KEVIN SIMONSON : > > If memory serves, there was a third component to the revoxes to make > > sure they were both operating at exactly the same speed, yes? > > yes. a varispeed control. "bob" referred to it as a VSO. I remember that if you have two tape machines of the same type, they will usually run more or less in sync. The difference is only very slight, and it is sufficient to put the machine that turns out to run a tiny bit faster on the right side, 'pulling' the other machine, so to speak. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 03:14:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21436; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 03:12:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 03:12:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <94.24eafc28.29efcb9a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 03:11:22 EDT Subject: Ting-cha To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 17/04/02 19:43:22 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > I'm having some fun finding instrustruments which sound > interesting backwards and the big winner is the ting-cha. > This is a Tibetan chime, two heavy disks connected with a cord. > The sound is an instantaneous note with very long sustain, Oh yes, those are amazing! andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 07:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13448; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:30:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:30:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c1e6cc$5e9dc7c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:23:41 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not just that. I recall an article in Musician (I think) with Fripp, where he described the setup. In particular I remember him having a compressor-limiter in the chain on the way to the first tape deck, and saying something about it reducing the accumulation of noise on the final tape reel. After a disasterous first experiment (without a compressor-limiter box, just the guitar, fuzz, small stone into the loop) with a pair of decks, I completely agreed. I've got the recording of it still, you've got an awful kind of subharmonic drone that increases over time and eventually dominates the entire piece. Underneath this, in time with the length of the resulting loop, is a peaking "shiirp!" sound that also gets louder and louder over time. I decided it was best thought of as a musique concrete experiment, as well as a reminder of the old days. And secretly wished for a pair of high-end Revoxes or Sonys to make a tape loop as long as possible. Ah. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 23:36 PM Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno > If memory serves, there was a third component to the revoxes to make > sure they were both operating at exactly the same speed, yes? I don't > know if this is unique to Revoxes, or is some sort of custom-built > item. > > -K > > >>> vgloster@microvault.com 04/17/02 06:22PM >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marcus savino" > > I am trying to put together my own Time Lag Accumulator, used by > > Riley, Eno, Fripp etc. I have done quite a bit of research and > > have been unable to find a really detailed description/diagram > > of the proper ways to make this work. > > > 1. Is there a diagram (besides Eno's Discreet Music jacket) that > > outlines in detail how to to put one of these together? > > Here is a photo of Fripp with the system: > > > As you can see the feeder reel of the left deck passes tape under the > left deck's head, which is recording. The tape then passes under the > head of the right deck, which is playing, and is taken up on the right > deck's takeup reel. The audio output of the right deck is fed into a > mixer, which mixes the live guitar sound with it and feeds into the > audio input of the left deck. > > > > 2. Is there something specific to Revoxes that make them ideal > > for this process? Is it necessary to use Revoxes or will Teacs work > as well? > > As I understand it most other tape decks (including Teac and Tascam) > have wheels adjacent to both reels that the tape goes over. These > wheels fall to the bottom of their grooves if the tape is not there. If > either of these wheels fall the deck will no longer run. You may be > able to jury-rig tape decks by duct taping the wheels, but this may not > be your best approach. The Revox decks provide superior sound quality > (they were sometimes used for the master mix down in studios back before > DAT machines), which is important for looping. Every minor degradation > gets magnified on each iteration of the loop. > > A great thing about this approach is that when you are finished, you > just remove the takeup reel from the right deck, rewind it, and you have > a master tape of your performance. This is what Fripp did to record his > Frippertronic albums. They were not recorded using a recording studio's > deck. > > Good luck putting this together. > > -Vance > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 08:21:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19426; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <91.1b988502.29f01370@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:17:52 EDT Subject: Re: fripp lag accumulator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 17/04/02 23:30:24 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > 1. Is there a diagram (besides Eno's Discreet Music jacket) that outlines in > detail how to to put one of these together? > > 2. Is there something specific to Revoxes that make them ideal for this > process? Is it necessary to use Revoxes or will Teacs work as well? > > Thanks, > > Marcus If you can't get Revoxes, then anything will do. Don't have to be matching (it may help though) Just as long as the speeds match up. I've even done this with a mono ferrograph (valve) deck and a teac 4-track. ..and remember, one of the decks will always be slightly faster that the other. So this needs to be the deck where the tape collects. The varispeed to be found on the later Revoxes (not the A77 although its a common mod) means you don't have to worry about this, and you can set the looptime without moving the decks about. Mr. Fripp used one tape channel for his long delay, and the other as an echo effect to fill out the sound ( feed playback head back to record, but just on one deck,) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 08:42:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21556; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:41:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:41:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418124055.49967.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417175552.0215a360@annihilist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Matthias - excellent and congratulations! looking forward to the release and all things new and different with LoopIV! many thanks, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Kim Flint wrote: > > Hi EDP and Loop fans- > > This is coming on short notice, sorry about that. > > Aurisis Research LoopIV Pre-Release Showcase > *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** > *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** > *** Pre-Release Celebration *** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 09:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25137; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418130851.93699.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Boss rc-20 vs Akia Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <505966A6D241D4118002009027DE57F20135B6D4@eros.sa.csiro.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not all that familiar with the akai headrush, but you can find a slew of reviews on the rc-20 from just the past few days. the general consensus is that the rc-20 is missing many key features... i tried out an rc-20 for about a month before giving it back and making the move to the repeater. the main problem with the rc-20 that i encountered was that tap tempo can only be used for pre-recorded loops which means that if you aren't dead on on your first try, the loop will be unadjustable and sound out of place. not to mention, if you are playing with a live drummer (you had mentioned live performing), you will have no way of adjusting your loop...so your drummer better have time like a machine (literally). like i said, i'm not familiar with the headrush at all, but the rc-20 is a fun toy, but not a very practical device for live performance...but then again, it always depends on your needs... good luck and let the list know what you come up with in your comparisson shopping...i'd love to hear more about the headrush. swimming in the loopool, e va n|s sa b --- Sean.Forrester@csiro.au wrote: > How does the Boss RC-20 compare to the Akai > Headrush?? > > Looking at purchasing the Boss for Bass loops / > guitar overdubs with a > drummer for live gigs. > Which would be better for free-form bass loops and > jamming? > > Anyone tried out both? > > Thanks > > Bierdo > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 10:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31037; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:07:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:07:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1e6e2$5a17ef80$ea54e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <009c01c1e6cc$5e9dc7c0$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:07:18 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > Not just that. I recall an article in Musician (I think) with Fripp, where > he described the setup. In particular I remember him having a > compressor-limiter in the chain on the way to the first tape deck, and > saying something about it reducing the accumulation of noise on the final > tape reel. After a disasterous first experiment (without a > compressor-limiter box, just the guitar, fuzz, small stone into the loop) > with a pair of decks, I completely agreed. I've got the recording of it > still, you've got an awful kind of subharmonic drone that increases over > time and eventually dominates the entire piece. Underneath this, in time > with the length of the resulting loop, is a peaking "shiirp!" sound that > also gets louder and louder over time. I'm wondering if backing off the "feedback" amount from your mixer to the 1st deck, might have helped to reduce this "accumulation". (?) More speculation - perhaps the Small Stone's phase cycle had a relationship to the loop cycle, leading to the peaking "shiirp!" sound. (?) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 10:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30795; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex with foot controller for sale :( Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:02:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2002 14:02:56.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD646D30:01C1E6E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi The other real problem is that i've sent the warranty when I got it. I can get a box from a nice guy on this list but without the warranty I assume Alto can't sell it as "new". If I had both the box and the warranty then I assume all would be fine. Kevin >FWIW >We will take it back less a restocking fee since we would have to sell it >for less >If you can find the box please let us know > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 10:53:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02207; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:50:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7IE8tC.A.Ii.z0tv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am embarressed to say I really don't know Fripp's work well. Any recommends on where to start? Sounds amazing... Ben -----Original Message----- From: Scott McGregor Moore [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > Not just that. I recall an article in Musician (I think) with Fripp, where > he described the setup. In particular I remember him having a > compressor-limiter in the chain on the way to the first tape deck, and > saying something about it reducing the accumulation of noise on the final > tape reel. After a disasterous first experiment (without a > compressor-limiter box, just the guitar, fuzz, small stone into the loop) > with a pair of decks, I completely agreed. I've got the recording of it > still, you've got an awful kind of subharmonic drone that increases over > time and eventually dominates the entire piece. Underneath this, in time > with the length of the resulting loop, is a peaking "shiirp!" sound that > also gets louder and louder over time. I'm wondering if backing off the "feedback" amount from your mixer to the 1st deck, might have helped to reduce this "accumulation". (?) More speculation - perhaps the Small Stone's phase cycle had a relationship to the loop cycle, leading to the peaking "shiirp!" sound. (?) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 11:00:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02854; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <180.6fc9a08.29f038d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:57:29 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <61AYv.A.Ds.J8tv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, In a message dated 4/17/02 9:22:10 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** > *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** > *** Pre-Release Celebration *** > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 Sounds terrific. I'd be there if it weren't THIS particular weekend (yes, I'm interested enough in Loop IV to drive down from Oregon). But my schedule is completely impossible this weekend. If there are any other such events (hey, you could video this one and hold a private screening/party or two at some later date) I'd definitely be interested. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 11:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04366; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:02:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:56:15 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: fripp lag accumulator In-reply-to: <91.1b988502.29f01370@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com didn't he also have a variable potentiometer footpedal rigged to the erase head on one deck that he used to clear the loop? on 4/18/02 5:17 AM, SoundFNR@aol.com at SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > Mr. Fripp used one tape channel for his long delay, and the > other as an echo effect to fill out the sound > ( feed playback head back to record, but > just on one deck,) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 11:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06060; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c1e6ec$9abe07e0$ea54e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: Time Lag Accumulator, Frippertronics, Eno Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:20:42 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <78bJrB.A.bdB.vQuv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am embarressed to say I really don't know Fripp's work well. Any > recommends on where to start? Sounds amazing... > Ben My personal favourites are: No Pussyfooting - with Brian Eno (where Eno introduced Fripp to the 2 Revox system and he responded with immediate brilliance IMO) Evening Star - with Brian Eno A Blessing Of Tears November Suite Pie Jesu (EP) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 11:40:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07884; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:37:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2002 15:37:43.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB190390:01C1E6EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'd pay for a video if offered. I never seem to get enough time to explore the possibilities of the EDP which still seem endless to me. A video would be a great reference to have just for the ideas it could spawn. Thanks, Weg From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:57:29 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE882A2700194004370CCFE4EE0912220; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:58:57 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02824;Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:58:17 -0400 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:00:13 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:58:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <180.6fc9a08.29f038d9@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <61AYv.A.Ds.J8tv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, In a message dated 4/17/02 9:22:10 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** > *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** > *** Pre-Release Celebration *** > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 Sounds terrific. I'd be there if it weren't THIS particular weekend (yes, I'm interested enough in Loop IV to drive down from Oregon). But my schedule is completely impossible this weekend. If there are any other such events (hey, you could video this one and hold a private screening/party or two at some later date) I'd definitely be interested. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 11:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08258; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:41:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418154043.73889.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020417005510.64040.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9tX89B.A.EAC.9juv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Evan Meyers wrote: > > FCB1010, there's only one version, but there's a new > > EPROM with a couple of minor features. > > > > andy > > > > is the new eprom standard with new boards from the manufacturer I was wondering about this too. Anyone purchased one recently? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 11:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09415; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:53:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:53:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009501c1e6f1$29f4cb20$ea54e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping? Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:53:20 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a copy of Terry's CD that I got while he was in Toronto performing at his CD release event at The Ambient Ping and it's very beautiful ambient/dark ambient. (Some nice Fripp influence in the 2nd half, BTW) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "terry o'brien" > Hi All, I'm new to the list and thought this thread would be a good > introduction point. > > I work for SOCAN (Society of Copmposers, Authors and Music Publishers of > Canada) in Vancouver. I help composers and musicians navigate the music > biz, lecture at schools, music conference panels, etc. > > I've just released my first album of looping music and did my first looping > gig last month. I used the DL4 for my album "The Spirit Molecule" and have > just purchased a Boomerang and ordered the V2 upgrade. Saving for an EDP, > maybe a Repeater too! > > Always interested in CD trades with other loopers. > > Thanx...Terry > www.anomalousdisturbances.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 12:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09928; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jimb@ehmail.com Date: 18 Apr 2002 08:58:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20020418155808.5225.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Apr 2002 15:58:08 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 X-Sent-From: jimb@ehmail.com Subject: RE: Time Lag Accumulator Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:06 AM > > I remember that if you have two tape machines of the same > type, they will > usually run more or less in sync. The difference is only very > slight, and it > is sufficient to put the machine that turns out to run a tiny > bit faster on > the right side, 'pulling' the other machine, so to speak. That's how I do it with my two Tandberg 9100X machines. Sure, the sound may not be as "clean" as a pair of Revoxes, and may decay faster but it still works - and at a fraction of the price! Hell, I've even had acceptable (for the purpose) results using a cheap portable machine for playback. If you have no expectations for the results then the possibility for pleasant surprises is greater. James Bailey host: A Missing Sense / Electric Storm CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto http://ckln.sac.ryerson.ca __________________________________________________________ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 13:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18059; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:59:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418162737.22183.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204181540.LAA08114@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> I have a bootleg tape of one of the original Frippertronic performances from 79, from Miami, and it does seem like, in places, he has control over the feedback, but I'm not sure how he does it. I came up with the idea that before the signal from the second tape deck was fed back into the first deck, it first went into a volume pedal. This would allow you to fade the loop out, and then you can overdub something new on top, so that the earlier part of the loop becomes just sort of a background noise as you add more prominent things on top. I dunno if this exactly how he had it set up or not, but that's kind of my impression of how it worked. Also, I'm wondering if anyone knows exactly how Fripp actually did these performances. Did he create the loops first, then rewind them and play them back and solo on top of them, or did he solo as the creation of the loop progressed. I'm thinking it would take a simple A/B box to do the latter, channel feeding the guitar into the lag accumulator (where did that phrase come from? Before a couple days ago, I had never heard it), channel B going into either an amp or a mixer of some sort. The Miami tape kinda suggests the latter, as you hear stuff where he builds the loop for quite some time before you finally hear him start soloing. Oh, and I agree that No Pussyfooting and Evening Star are both excellent albums to check out. I'm not as familiar with his more recent Soundscape recordings. I have a few of them, but I dunno that I could recommend one over the others. Personally, I prefered it when Fripp was doing the original Frippertronic performances with just his old Les Paul Custom and whatever effects pedals he was using (at least volume and distortion pedals). I have one Frippertronics recording from 83, I think it is, where he's using the Roland GR-300 guitar synth, and that, for some reason I don't like as much. Likewise, I don't quite like the Soundscape recordings as much either. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 13:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18182; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: --Vortex pedal-- Message-Id: <180402108.36001@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:00:07 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which is the Proel pedal that works with as an expression pedal with the Vortex? Any pros/cons to using this pedal? Andy recommends the Bespeco VM 18-L on his website. Are these available in the US? -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 13:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20162; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:21:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:22:33 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014c01c1e6fd$a07326a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020418162737.22183.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" > Also, I'm wondering if anyone knows exactly how > Fripp actually did these performances. Did he > create the loops first, then rewind them and play > them back and solo on top of them, or did he solo > as the creation of the loop progressed. The time I saw him in the early '80's, that's exactly what he did. Recorded the tape first, stood up and answered questions, then played a solo over the tape with gtr synth. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 13:55:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23072; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c1e702$122bdd60$ea54e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <20020418162737.22183.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Robert Fripp Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:54:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have a bootleg tape of one of the original > Frippertronic performances from 79, from Miami, snip > Also, I'm wondering if anyone knows exactly how > Fripp actually did these performances. Did he > create the loops first, then rewind them and play > them back and solo on top of them, or did he solo > as the creation of the loop progressed. When I attended his concert in Ottawa (1979) he performed the initial layers, then rewound the resulting tape while chatting with the audience in a somewhat 'professorial' manner and then performed another layer over the initial tape. It's my understanding that these second layer 'solos' were not recorded, so your bootleg, if it was an audience recording, would be a rare document of a double layered piece. His albums: God Save The Queen and Let The Power Fall only use the initial layers. > Oh, and I agree that No Pussyfooting and Evening > Star are both excellent albums to check out. I'm > not as familiar with his more recent Soundscape > recordings. I have a few of them, but I dunno > that I could recommend one over the others. > Personally, I prefered it when Fripp was doing > the original Frippertronic performances with just > his old Les Paul Custom and whatever effects > pedals he was using (at least volume and > distortion pedals). I have one Frippertronics > recording from 83, I think it is, where he's > using the Roland GR-300 guitar synth, and that, > for some reason I don't like as much. Likewise, I > don't quite like the Soundscape recordings as > much either. I favour the Fripp/Eno albums as well, but highly recommend A Blessing Of Tears as an excellent later ambient work. If you take to that one, then Pie Jesu and November Suite would also be worth experiencing, if you have not heard them yet. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 14:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27802; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418183648.22274.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020418154043.73889.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > FCB1010, there's only one version, but there's a > new > > > EPROM with a couple of minor features. > > > > > > andy > > > > > > > is the new eprom standard with new boards from the > manufacturer > > I was wondering about this too. Anyone purchased one > recently? i purchased one not even a week ago (pretty nice board and although i've barely scratched the surface with the programming of my pcs and ccs, it seems fairly intuitive taboot taboot!)...but there is no mention of this new EPROM or anything. there is a guy who is selling the installation of the EPROM on ebay and when i asked him about it, he said he wasn't sure, but sent me a copy of the behringer .pdf file with info on the features and how to install the new EPROM. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 15:39:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01713; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:36:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <087a01c1e710$657405c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020418183648.22274.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com llama? >... >...taboot taboot!... >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 15:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02588; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:34:16 -0500 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: chi-improv@yahoogroups.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Electroacoustic@yahoogroups.com, chicagoidm@yahoogroups.com Subject: GIG SPAM: Craque > Version>02 > MCA > 2nite! Message-ID: <20020418143416.A20978@ratamacue.sounding.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: <6avCvC.A.ln.kHyv8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com VERSION>02 < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < Thursday, April 18 Museum of Contemporary Art 220 E. Chicago Ave. Chicago, IL http://www.versionfest.org Craque goes on @ 11:45pm > following Quantazelle harbinger of Salvo Beta > the Kanter Educational Center at MCA Three-day pass to panels, film festival, and Version Lab performances is a mere $10! Come support experimental art in Chicago. Others performing earlier are... Digital?Confusion > TV Pow > Metalux > Teleseen > Bruner and Bay Check out the site for more info on the rest of the festival happening on the 19th and 20th - including an appearance by Pulseprogramming! OTHER NEWS < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < Craque returns to HotHouse on April 30 with artiste extraordinaire 2LA, come chill for a few hours with ambient sounds from the decks and diodes. t spigot is once again up to no good... make sure you check out their upcoming events and news at http://tspigot.net. Synesthesia has gone electro, so you won't be able to catch Craque any longer at Big Wig. But do not fear, Craque remains true to your experimental hearts! Watch this space and http://craque.net for new gigs, recordings, and news from the Mindgroove. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 17:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11458; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418205915.82931.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020418183648.22274.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Evan Meyers wrote: > i purchased one not even a week ago (pretty nice board > and although i've barely scratched the surface with > the programming of my pcs and ccs, it seems fairly > intuitive taboot taboot!)...but there is no mention of > this new EPROM or anything. there is a guy who is > selling the installation of the EPROM on ebay and when > i asked him about it, he said he wasn't sure, but sent > me a copy of the behringer .pdf file with info on the > features and how to install the new EPROM. So, how do you tell if you have the new rev? Check and see if one of the "new features" works? Doesn't it display the FW rev when it starts up? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 17:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12095; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:07:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBF3582.BF210348@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:07:05 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper vs. Delay?( was: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > > In terms of gear, I'm more drawn to echo than to loop and capture devices. > -- That's interesting that you make that distinction. I'd say I probably have my feedback set to 75% or less about 75% of the time, acutally using the Repeater as a very long digital delay synched via MIDI. Taking the Repeater out of record stops the decay of the loop, so those are the times I'll divide between soloing over the loop and mangling the loop with a Vortex or AirFX. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 17:21:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13108; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CBF3582.BF210348@zerocrossing.net> References: <3CBF3582.BF210348@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:16:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Looper vs. Delay?( was: Re: what do loopers do when they're not looping?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:07 PM -0700 4/18/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >"Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" wrote: > >> >> In terms of gear, I'm more drawn to echo than to loop and capture devices. >> -- > >That's interesting that you make that distinction. I'd say I probably have >my feedback set to 75% or less about 75% of the time, acutally using the >Repeater as a very long digital delay synched via MIDI. Taking the Repeater >out of record stops the decay of the loop, so those are the times I'll divide >between soloing over the loop and mangling the loop with a Vortex or AirFX. > >Mark Sottilaro It seems straight-forward to me. I like to keep playing stuff (lately usually evolving loops from my Nord), and have it go into the delays and fall away. I don't find myself (at least lately) drawn to using the JamMan as a capture and overdubbing device. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 17:38:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14939; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:37:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:37:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418213629.46914.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020418205915.82931.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So, how do you tell if you have the new rev? i figured i'd figure it out eventually... > Check > and see if one of > the "new features" works? i'm still learning the beast so i'm not really familiar with the old features yet, so i couldn't tell you if it has the new features. > Doesn't it display the FW > rev when it starts > up? > not sure...but the unit is dated from production (or is that the repeater...or both?) i confused... > Greg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 17:41:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14736; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:35:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:35:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020418213441.74575.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <087a01c1e710$657405c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com leavin my best of best of friends... --- jim palmer wrote: > llama? > > >... > >...taboot taboot!... > >... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 18:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18584; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:03:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:03:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ehdanilo@pop.erdbeerhund.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020418130851.93699.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020418130851.93699.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:01:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Danilo Rometsch Subject: Re: Boss rc-20 vs Akia Headrush Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i'm not all that familiar with the akai headrush, but >you can find a slew of reviews on the rc-20 from just >the past few days. the general consensus is that the >rc-20 is missing many key features... the problem with the headrush is the sampling time. i don't know exactly how long it is but it is not enough for a song in a live performance. the rc-20 has about 5 minutes which is quite good. but no chance to sync it with a drummachine or a click for a live drummer. >i tried out an rc-20 for about a month before giving >it back and making the move to the repeater. hey, sounds interesting. i own the rc-20 but think about buying a repeater for live performance. do you use guitar with it? the thing i would like to do is: recording basic tracks with the guitar live while a drummer plays to it and when the recorded fundament plays i'd like to sing and play other instruments. can i do this with the repeater and a midi-footboard? any problems with stability (system crashes?) which footcontroller? i heard something about rolls... Danilo -- _________________________________ funky jazzy Pop'N'Groove: MISSIS RAINTOWN missis@missisraintown.com www.missisraintown.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 18:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19717; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBF4569.7DA3C790@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:15:05 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event References: <200204181540.LAA08114@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be heading up to Oakland on Saturday, in case anybody passing through San Luis Obispo wants to carpool. I'll be off-line after 5:30 tonight (Thursday), so please give me a call at (805) 534-1009 and we'll figure out logistics. Thanks, -Hans > Hi EDP and Loop fans- > > This is coming on short notice, sorry about that. > > Aurisis Research LoopIV Pre-Release Showcase > > *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** > *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** > *** Pre-Release Celebration *** > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 > > Door open at 7:30pm > Demonstration and Concert begins at 9:00 > Party with Aurisis Research 11pm until whenever > > 3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA USA > > $10 donation requested > (to cover Matthias' travel expenses) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 18:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21681; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:37:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:37:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <30.257ab71a.29f0a464@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:36:20 EDT Subject: video received To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <7hrHHD.A.3RF.Kq0v8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Hans, Thanks for the vhs tape. It came in the mail yesterday. It sorta confirms my worst fears though. I do look like captain kangaroo playing acid rock -- or maybe a slightly more clean cut Jerry Garcia. Heh, heh, heh. Oh well. I hope we sounded a little better than what the camera was picking up. I am feeling a somewhat embarrassed now. Maybe I should quietly retire from live playing while I still have some semblance of dignity. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 21:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00437; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:05:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:05:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBF6D70.E3D0B0FE@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:05:56 -0500 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: live laptop looping. la la la... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we (pseudo buddha) have replaced our beloved globe-trotting percussionist (gil) with a mac g3 powerbook running live by ableton. we (i) think that it kicks butt. would any of you midi geniuses know how we (a distinct & separate project termed "apparatii") would sync two (2) mac powerbooks running live so that one is a tempo master to the other? i'd be much obliged. bobdog ps - if you are in the tuscan az area & would like to play with one of the funnest & most unique percussionists i've known, drop me a line & i'll hook you up w/gilly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 21:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01673; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CBF72CC.E0D82C6A@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:28:44 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: --Vortex pedal-- References: <180402108.36001@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5LOj-.A._Z.BM3v8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.americanmusical.com/item.asp?UID=2002041820243630&menu=&keyword=&item=PRL+PVP16L American Musical Supply, $30. They work pretty well although mine needs a bit of extra pressure to make it all the way to 64 on the Vortex (usually rests at 62 or so). Kevin p koniuto wrote: > Which is the Proel pedal that works with > as an expression pedal with the Vortex? > > Any pros/cons to using this pedal? > > Andy recommends the Bespeco VM 18-L on > his website. Are these available in > the US? > > -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 23:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11810; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009c01c1e71e$bbc687f0$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020418130851.93699.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss rc-20 vs Akia Headrush Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:19:30 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the akai was my beginner's looper/delay. i have since upgraded to the edp. some specs: single loop time is about 23 seconds, 11.9 if you plan on overdubbing. tap-tempo delay time is about the same. this delay works alright if you're trying to replicate that soundscape stuff at a very basic level. 23 seconds goes by really quickly and there's not much variance in your loop. for live looping, it isn't that bad. i used it for about a year and a half. i bought it so that i could basically replicate myself on stage without having to get a second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth guitarist. it does your basics pretty well, although it's noisy compared to the edp (but not as noisy as the boomerang). like i said, it's not a bad toy to start out with. but it's definitely a toy, whereas the rptr and edp are sonic weapons. if you want to get extensive with your looping, you'll be feeling the limitations of the akai pretty soon. that's why i got rid of mine...still not bad for 170 bucks. hope this helps. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 18 23:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14169; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:37:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:37:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Echoplex Off on the PMC-10 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:36:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Before I say anything, let me express my regrets at not being able to get good and crazy in Oakland. I have a gig--it's even an appealing gig--that night in San Diego and must miss another excellent opportunity to hang with my loop brethren. So now, let me go on in typical fashion about my latest discovery with the EDP and PMC. Hey, it's great to have a hobby. I've been using a MIDI emulation of the long press of the record button for erasing the current loop. It's a note on with no subsequent note off corresponding to the note value for the record button. This works great, but it takes the EDP a moment for it to realize that no note off will be coming before it kills the loop. So what I did is to also include a volume message of zero with string A, and a subsequent value of 127 with string B, and use the momentary setting. I also just did one with record on string A and multiply on string B--this was in response to one of Andre's postings--you end the first loop with multiply. These will probably also be doable with the Behringer. The great thing about using momentary is that you don't have to shift your weight, or even move your foot, for the second message. Well, that's all--have fun in Oakland, and I look forward to the LoopIV upgrade when it becomes available. Congratulations! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 00:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19126; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:17:22 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: listening to the open loop tapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally, finally got an interface (the MOTU turned out to be a tease, my Firewire didn't work, etc) and have started to bring the open loop DAT tapes into the computer. I'm just so happy. It sounds great. I'm listening to David Beardsley play from March 2 now but everything I've heard is totally engrossing. I keep forgetting that it's not some radio station or CD and think, "Hey, who's this?" I hope to be able to put some limited amounts of it onto the web. Choosing is going to be very very very hard. Perhaps I should just release a huge, many many CD set...?! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 00:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19452; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:21:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:21:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:21:04 -0400 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 4/20: o p e nnnn l o oo ooo ppppp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm back! open loop apparently went very well last week without me... shows how redundant I am. (redundant, am I?) the loop continues this Saturday, starting at 2pm and not 1pm, with some of the regulars and anyone who might drop in. (Regulars include David Beardsley, Harry Esq, Pedro Felix, Jeremy Halpern, Tobi Joi, Stv Jns, Grace Period, Lena Strayhorn) open loop is live electronic looping of live and electronic instruments. open loop is every Saturday afternoon from 2 pm to 7 pm at Chama, 332 east 4th street, between c & d, New York City. http://loopNY.com, $2 suggested donation. lllloooop!! (by the way, I'm listening to DAT tapes of the early open loop sessions as I write this and they are making me very happy to be alive... /t) -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 01:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24864; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1e760$fe29bf30$cb68fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020418213629.46914.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:13:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's one way: follow the instructions on electrix's website (somewhere) and try to copy a preset to another memory location. if you can, you have the new rev. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff > > So, how do you tell if you have the new rev? > > i figured i'd figure it out eventually... > > > Check > > and see if one of > > the "new features" works? > > i'm still learning the beast so i'm not really > familiar with the old features yet, so i couldn't tell > you if it has the new features. > > > Doesn't it display the FW > > rev when it starts > > up? > > > > not sure...but the unit is dated from production (or > is that the repeater...or both?) i confused... > > > Greg > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 01:21:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25228; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:20:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:20:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c1e761$98d6c320$cb68fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020418213629.46914.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> <002e01c1e760$fe29bf30$cb68fea9@melon> Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:18:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wups, make that Behringer's website, not Electrix's .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff > here's one way: follow the instructions on electrix's website > (somewhere) and try to copy a preset to another memory location. > if you can, you have the new rev. > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: behringer foot stuff > > > > > So, how do you tell if you have the new rev? > > > > i figured i'd figure it out eventually... > > > > > Check > > > and see if one of > > > the "new features" works? > > > > i'm still learning the beast so i'm not really > > familiar with the old features yet, so i couldn't tell > > you if it has the new features. > > > > > Doesn't it display the FW > > > rev when it starts > > > up? > > > > > > > not sure...but the unit is dated from production (or > > is that the repeater...or both?) i confused... > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 02:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01061; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:53:20 -0700 Subject: Re: listening to the open loop tapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22AB2C31-5362-11D6-A457-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ? Hmmmm weird. What kind of Mac did you try it on? It seemed so easy to get it to work. Install the driver and plug it in. Mark On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 09:17 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I finally, finally got an interface (the MOTU turned out > to be a tease, my Firewire didn't work, etc) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 03:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02812; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:02:02 -0700 Subject: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <30.257ab71a.29f0a464@aol.com> Message-Id: <5986D4F0-5363-11D6-A457-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I know Kim likes to keep this list unmeditated, but this is getting out of control. Think about what you're (and by you I mean all of you that are GUILTY) doing for a moment. OK, that's enough. Does it seem like maybe a mistake to talk to an individule by posting to a group list? A) No, what I say and think is important to all the world no matter what. B) Yes, I'm not paying attention and lost in my own little world C) None of you really exist anyway, so who cares? Stay tuned for the answer. You're surly pal, Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 03:36 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hey there Hans, > > Thanks for the vhs tape. It came in the mail yesterday. > It sorta confirms my worst fears though. I do look like > captain kangaroo playing acid rock -- or maybe a slightly > more clean cut Jerry Garcia. Heh, heh, heh. Oh well. > > I hope we sounded a little better than what the camera > was picking up. I am feeling a somewhat embarrassed > now. Maybe I should quietly retire from live playing while > I still have some semblance of dignity. > > Best, > > Ted > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 03:24:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04359; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:22:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.167.150.164] From: "matt davignon" To: rumori@detritus.net, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: reminder - field effects 3 TONIGHT in san francisco Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:21:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2002 07:21:37.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7DBAA70:01C1E772] Resent-Message-ID: <4lAEoB.A.DDB.gW8v8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a last minute reminder that the Field Effects 3 show is tonight. If you like experimental music created from recordings of everyday sounds, this would be a good thing to check out. It's $6-10, but nobody will be turned away for lack of funds. It's at: 964 Natoma (between 10th and 11th, Mission and Howard) approx 1.5 blocks from Market & Van Ness The following artists will be presenting new compositions: Steve Roden (fka In Be Tween Noise) J. Frede The Quiet American Leticia Casteneda and myself. Hope to see you there! Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 03:28:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04799; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:27:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <63.a35d292.29f1209a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:26:18 EDT Subject: Re: fripp lag accumulator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > didn't he also have a variable potentiometer footpedal rigged to the erase > head on one deck that he used to clear the loop? not unless that was a totally different set up, as there is no actual tape loop. maybe he had a swell pedal on the feedback andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 03:51:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06311; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:45:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.17107e11.29f124dd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:44:29 EDT Subject: Re: Behringer Foot stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <3zDG-D.A.EiB.-r8v8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 19/04/02 04:39:28 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > FCB1010, there's only one version, but there's a new > > > EPROM with a couple of minor features. > > > > > > andy > > > > > > > is the new eprom standard with new boards from the manufacturer > > I was wondering about this too. Anyone purchased one recently? > > Greg Well I just bought one which had to be "ordered from the factory" I opened it up, the EPROM is dated Dec 2001. It doesn't have the new features. to find out:- 1) Activate CONFIG in the GLOBAL set up 2) press footswitch 5 to activate the copy function. 3) if value 1 LED lights up, you've got the latest. Not to worry though, the "copy" feature requires a power up, doesn't save that much time. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 04:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10356; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 04:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 04:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020419082330.91805.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5986D4F0-5363-11D6-A457-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-a33nD.A.6gC.DQ9v8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, I know Kim likes to keep this list unmeditated, He'd do better to keep it unmedicated! :) > but this is getting > out of control. Not really. For "out of control", do an archive search for... 1) Mac vs PC 2) Country & Eastern Music 3) Italo :) :) :) :) > Think about what you're (and by you > I mean all of you > that are GUILTY) doing for a moment. All of those guilty will receive an Againinator! > OK, that's enough. Does it seem like maybe a > mistake to talk to an > individule by posting to a group list? It happens all the time. Questions for Kim, for Matthias, etc, etc... > A) No, what I say and think is important to all the > world no matter what. > B) Yes, I'm not paying attention and lost in my own > little world > C) None of you really exist anyway, so who cares? Hey dude! You forgot.. D) All of the above! > Stay tuned for the answer. I'm thinking you'll get more than one. > You're surly pal, Nah, you just haven't received your basic daily allotment of looping; or, someone needs a nap. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 04:44:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12002; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 04:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 04:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Repeater start/stop messages Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c1e77e$6c8c15a0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00b701c1e4a6$b896a8f0$6445230a@melon> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Update: This did work BUT I quickly realized I needed the start/stop messages to at least get to my Electribes- so I went back to the Midi Solutions website and made a wonderful discovery- their midi ROUTER also acts as a filter!! I opened up their software and looked at the router's options for programming- it is all there! http://www.midisolutions.com/prodrte.htm So- I am ordering one at a great price from http://www.midiguy.com/access/accfrset.html Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:m.lameyer@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages would this apply? (from the most recent repeater manual): Advanced MIDI RT tweaking In some situations it may be desirable for Repeater to NOT send out MIDI RT start, stop and SPP messages. The output of these messages can be inhibited/enabled by sending Repeater the Inhibit MIDI RT Control CC message. The Inhibit MIDI RT Control CC message is: CC: 112 value: 0-63 (off) 64-127 (on) mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Novey" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > No because the start/stop messages are just like midi clock- it doese,nt > matter what chanel you are on because the info is broadcast on all channels > regardless of selection. > > c > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim palmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:34 AM > Subject: Re: Repeater start/stop messages > > > > i may be misunderstanding your problem, but can't you solve > > this by setting his repeater to a different channel than your repeater? > > > > >... the issue is that I am using everything on > > > a Thru chain and his Repeater start/stop is being controlled by mine > > > which we do NOT want- and I do not want to use the midi Out of any of > > > the other devices either. We just need the clock to lock to- the > > > start/stop messages are part of the clock stream which does not pay > > > attention to midi channel- How can we filter this data out without using > > > a computer? I looked at the MidiSoloutions mapper and installed the > > > software for it but it only maps/converts messages other than real-time > > > clock etc. Any info appreciated. > > > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 05:23:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16107; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 05:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 05:22:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Loopstock in the news!!! Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:23:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c1e783$dfe8ea00$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <0FdHUC.A.36D.1G-v8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh the wonders of OCR! What a great aknowlegement! Hans should frame it! Cliff FINAL MIX- by Larry the O Oh Say, Hove You Scene? Whether through luck, adventurousness, if or a good network of friends, many of us are fortunate enough to find ourselves, at some point in our lives, in contact with a "cool scene." The cool scenes that interest me show abundant creativity, knowledge (maybe even wisdom/, cooperation, and inspiration. Such scenes focus a collective energy on an idea that may range from the specific and explicit to the vague and unknowable. In a cool scene, one is awash in a palpable, life changing electricity that opens doors of perception and stokes the fires of imagination. It's a most amazing experience that stays with you your entire life. A cool scene may start with a single person, but it takes a number of people to reach critical mass. What is less evident is the great importance of the number. When a couple of dozen people are involved, they tell and involve others, and things begin to coalesce. This is often the real peak of the scene while it is still small. But word spreads, and the scene grows into a movement. Once it expands beyond a few hundred people, things change. As the scale increases, the idea's purity becomes diluted as a simple result of more points of view in the mix. A slow decline starts from this juncture, though the scene may remain good and worthwhile for quite some time. Eventually, however, if it continues to expand, it will start to stagger under its own weight and, at some point, will simply collapse, dissipate, or shrink radically. The life of a scene is as brief and finite as our own lives, and its decline or death is just as inevitable. If that death can't be avoided, neither should it be feared, though the passing may be mourned. As long as there are humans with hearts and minds, cool scenes will arise. Getting the most out of a burgeoning scene comes from recognizing as early as possible that there's magic happening and appreciating and enjoying it as fully as you can. That realization came to mind recently when I dipped my toe into a small underground community of musicians who call themselves loopers. Loopers make music built around the idea of feeding source material (typically instruments they play) into long, repeating delay lines and then adding to, modifying, and/or playing on top of the looping sound. I've just returned from Loopstock, a one day concert and minifestival where barely three dozen people converged on a small dance studio warehouse in San Luis Obispo, California, from points as far flung as Oregon, Boston, and Brazil. They came to perform, to listen, and to discuss a variety of takes on looping from a three piece synth band to DSP Demon Richard Zvonar mangling snippets of recorded music to a solo tuba player all working with long delay loops. Probably over half the attendees were performing. It was evident to all that something special was happening at this seminal gathering. The event was free and the performers unpaid. In other words, the attendees were there purely out of interest. This created a wholly noncompetitive atmosphere in which people were delighted to show and tell all their looping ideas and techniques. The understanding audience showed tolerance for the difficulties of a technology dependent medium. Most of all, everyone was appreciated for what they contributed: not just the performers, who surely received hearty applause, but even a few attendees who were hailed as heroes for 1 having created some of the loopers'favoritetoys. Each attendee left invigorated and inspired. Will Loop stock grow or happen at all next year? I certainly hope so. The looping scene should have a long time to grow before it becomes co opted, corrupted, or otherwise brought low. But no matter whether or when that happens, that day in San Luis Obispo will remain a Golden Moment in the lives of those who were lucky enough to catch the quick left atthe Mitsubishi dealership and discover the little warehouse tucked back from the street. If you find yourself in the middle of a community brimming with life magic, don't be afraid, don't try to hold onto it too hard, and don't try to figure out what it is. Just savor the moment and cherish the memory. Electronic Musician May 2002 -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopstock in the news!!! Hi all, You folks may want to take a little look at "Larry the O's" monthly editorial piece at the back of the May 2002 issue of EM this month. He gave "Loopstock" a nice little write up as part of an article on "Cool Music Scenes." It's not a review or anything but it's a very positive mention. Check it out. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 07:34:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29147; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:27:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:27:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419042010.04bd6008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 04:22:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) In-Reply-To: <20020419082330.91805.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5986D4F0-5363-11D6-A457-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:23 AM 4/19/2002, John Tidwell wrote: >--- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > OK, I know Kim likes to keep this list unmeditated, > >He'd do better to keep it unmedicated! :) sorry, but that's the only way I can deal with you guys. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 08:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02090; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:11:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:11:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1e79c$53479880$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <5986D4F0-5363-11D6-A457-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:18:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not keep everything off the list? Then nothing to annoy? Kinda reminds me of a caving-related list I'm on. People always complain about unrelated e-mails, etc. The problem with that list is there's NO activity because everyone's 'afraid' to offend the list recipients. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) > OK, I know Kim likes to keep this list unmeditated, but this is getting > out of control. Think about what you're (and by you I mean all of you > that are GUILTY) doing for a moment. > > OK, that's enough. Does it seem like maybe a mistake to talk to an > individule by posting to a group list? > > A) No, what I say and think is important to all the world no matter what. > B) Yes, I'm not paying attention and lost in my own little world > C) None of you really exist anyway, so who cares? > > Stay tuned for the answer. > > You're surly pal, > > Mark Sottilaro > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 03:36 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey there Hans, > > > > Thanks for the vhs tape. It came in the mail yesterday. > > It sorta confirms my worst fears though. I do look like > > captain kangaroo playing acid rock -- or maybe a slightly > > more clean cut Jerry Garcia. Heh, heh, heh. Oh well. > > > > I hope we sounded a little better than what the camera > > was picking up. I am feeling a somewhat embarrassed > > now. Maybe I should quietly retire from live playing while > > I still have some semblance of dignity. > > > > Best, > > > > Ted > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 08:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04028; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:33:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:33:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:32:37 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Can_you_keep_private_emails_off_the_list=3F_(was_Re:_video_received)?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.12.196 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA03961 Resent-Message-ID: <5SCP7B.A.I-.R6Aw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Not really. For "out of control", do an archive > search for... > > 1) Mac vs PC > 2) Country & Eastern Music > 3) Italo > :) :) :) :) John Tidwell John, sometimes out of control stuff happens to make this a less boring place than it often is. Lots of holy loop churchish stuff going on...too much...music is much wider than that. Anyway, I'm fine with it. Thanks for your wit! Italo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 09:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09161; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020419131603.88533.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 06:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5986D4F0-5363-11D6-A457-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > OK, that's enough. Does it seem like maybe a > mistake to talk to an > individule by posting to a group list? > normally, i would probably say that answer a would apply to everyone on this list because sure, there are several discussions that mean absolutely nothing to me and others...but those discussions are happily and quickly deleted. most things on this list though are relevant and helpful to both posters and lurkers. however, general comments directed at one person about nothing that the list is about should be sent privately (ie. requests for someone to call someone or about not receiving a cd that was promised)...but any general interest things and even some non-general interest things can be of great help to those of us on this list looking to expand our knowledge base about this cutting edge gear and music. just remember, if you post it, they will read...or at least someone will... for those who get upset by the volume that this list can create in your mailbox, create a filter (band pass works great for this!) for emails...isn't hard to do and then you can easily sift through list stuff, removing unimportant topice (to you) without having your regular mail flooded with loopy spam. > A) No, what I say and think is important to all the > world no matter what. > B) Yes, I'm not paying attention and lost in my own > little world > C) None of you really exist anyway, so who cares? > > Stay tuned for the answer. > > You're surly pal, > > Mark Sottilaro > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 03:36 PM, > ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey there Hans, > > > > Thanks for the vhs tape. It came in the mail > yesterday. > > It sorta confirms my worst fears though. I do look > like > > captain kangaroo playing acid rock -- or maybe a > slightly > > more clean cut Jerry Garcia. Heh, heh, heh. Oh > well. > > > > I hope we sounded a little better than what the > camera > > was picking up. I am feeling a somewhat > embarrassed > > now. Maybe I should quietly retire from live > playing while > > I still have some semblance of dignity. > > > > Best, > > > > Ted > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 11:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19146; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:58:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:58:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020419145725.96767.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5986D4F0-5363-11D6-A457-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or perhaps it's: D) I want to make everyone who couldn't be there even more jealous 'cause there's also a video of it that you can't see. --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > OK, I know Kim likes to keep this list unmeditated, but this is > getting > out of control. Think about what you're (and by you I mean all of > you > that are GUILTY) doing for a moment. > > OK, that's enough. Does it seem like maybe a mistake to talk to an > individule by posting to a group list? > > A) No, what I say and think is important to all the world no matter > what. > B) Yes, I'm not paying attention and lost in my own little world > C) None of you really exist anyway, so who cares? > > Stay tuned for the answer. > > You're surly pal, > > Mark Sottilaro > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 03:36 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey there Hans, > > > > Thanks for the vhs tape. It came in the mail yesterday. > > It sorta confirms my worst fears though. I do look like > > captain kangaroo playing acid rock -- or maybe a slightly > > more clean cut Jerry Garcia. Heh, heh, heh. Oh well. > > > > I hope we sounded a little better than what the camera > > was picking up. I am feeling a somewhat embarrassed > > now. Maybe I should quietly retire from live playing while > > I still have some semblance of dignity. > > > > Best, > > > > Ted > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 11:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22519; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:18:10 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020419145725.96767.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it is rather ironic that there is more emails about this subject than there are actual 'privae emails' regards c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 11:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22730; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:17:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:17:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020419101514.00852b40@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:15:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event In-Reply-To: <3CBF4569.7DA3C790@ernieball.com> References: <200204181540.LAA08114@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_BVvNC.A.jhF.aTDw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Hans, Couldn't make loopfest - oo short of notice. Is there a way i can receive the video? very interested to hear and see what people are up to. thanks. michael At 03:15 PM 4/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >I'll be heading up to Oakland on Saturday, in case anybody passing >through San Luis Obispo wants to carpool. I'll be off-line after 5:30 >tonight (Thursday), so please give me a call at (805) 534-1009 and we'll >figure out logistics. > >Thanks, > >-Hans > > >> Hi EDP and Loop fans- >> >> This is coming on short notice, sorry about that. >> >> Aurisis Research LoopIV Pre-Release Showcase >> >> *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** >> *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** >> *** Pre-Release Celebration *** >> >> Saturday, April 20, 2002 >> >> Door open at 7:30pm >> Demonstration and Concert begins at 9:00 >> Party with Aurisis Research 11pm until whenever >> >> 3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA USA >> >> $10 donation requested >> (to cover Matthias' travel expenses) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 11:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22940; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:18:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:17:43 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Can_you_keep_private_emails_off_the_list=3F_(was_Re:_videoreceived)?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.0.1build13 R13 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.4.145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA22817 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's right.... maybe we need it! ;-) Italo > it is rather ironic that there is more emails about this > subject than there are actual 'privae emails' > > regards > c > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 11:36:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24356; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.25dc2105.29f192d1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:33:37 EDT Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 4/19/02 8:15:10 AM, magicicada@charter.net writes: >it is rather ironic that there is more mails about this >>subject than there are actual 'private mails' Okay, okay. Public flogging accepted . . . or do I have to do sit in the stocks in the town square for a while too wearing a pointed dunce cap and a sign around my neck saying "bandwidth waster"? Sorry! My mistake. I just happened to see a post from Hans on the list and it reminded me that I should e-mail him. Unthinkingly, I simply replied to his LD e-mail and changed the subject line. I had no idea that anyone would be so offended nor that the crime was so grievous. Honestly, I really did not think about it . . . so I guess that makes it an act of "thoughtlessness" for which I sincerely apologize. So I guess I am guilty of "B" a little from time to time. I've been working daily into the wee hours for the last 10 days (and one all-nighter in there too) trying to make a deadline. I was tired and wasn't thinking correctly. Enough of my excuses though. Please accept my apologies. It's an oversight that I am not likely to make again (lets hope) anytime soon. So, unless there are a few more of you who want to kick me while I'm down. I thought the poster quoted above had made a good observation. Truly chastised, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 12:50:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01252; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:49:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:49:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:38:29 -0500 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: Bobdog Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live laptop looping. la la la... Message-ID: <20020419113829.A21851@ratamacue.sounding.com> References: <3CBF6D70.E3D0B0FE@pseudobuddha.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CBF6D70.E3D0B0FE@pseudobuddha.com>; from bobdog@pseudobuddha.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 08:05:56PM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it should be fairly simple - you should try setting one laptop running Live to slave to external sync by configuring the correct MIDI port in the prefs, and making sure the EXT button is selected. then run the other laptop normally and see how well it works - haven't tried it myself but it's worth a test. Bobdog(bobdog@pseudobuddha.com)@Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 08:05:56PM -0500: > we (pseudo buddha) have replaced our beloved globe-trotting > percussionist (gil) with a mac g3 powerbook running live by ableton. > > we (i) think that it kicks butt. > > would any of you midi geniuses know how we (a distinct & separate > project termed "apparatii") would sync two (2) mac powerbooks running > live so that one is a tempo master to the other? > > i'd be much obliged. > > bobdog > > ps - if you are in the tuscan az area & would like to play with one of > the funnest & most unique percussionists i've known, drop me a line & > i'll hook you up w/gilly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 13:30:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06126; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:28:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:28:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC0538E.355511C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:27:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) References: <2b.25dc2105.29f192d1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We've all (well maybe not all) made this mistake (I have), it just seems that it's reached epidemic proportions. Just trying to help make the list streamlined and fun, as it mostly is. Mark Sottilaro ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > In a message dated 4/19/02 8:15:10 AM, magicicada@charter.net writes: > > >it is rather ironic that there is more mails about this > >>subject than there are actual 'private mails' > > Okay, okay. Public flogging accepted . . . or do I have to do sit in the > stocks in the town square for a while too wearing a pointed dunce cap > and a sign around my neck saying "bandwidth waster"? > > Sorry! My mistake. I just happened to see a post from Hans on the list > and it reminded me that I should e-mail him. Unthinkingly, I simply replied > to his LD e-mail and changed the subject line. I had no idea that anyone > would be so offended nor that the crime was so grievous. Honestly, > I really did not think about it . . . so I guess that makes it an act of > "thoughtlessness" for which I sincerely apologize. > > So I guess I am guilty of "B" a little from time to time. I've been working > daily into the wee hours for the last 10 days (and one all-nighter in there > too) trying to make a deadline. I was tired and wasn't thinking correctly. > Enough of my excuses though. Please accept my apologies. It's an > oversight that I am not likely to make again (lets hope) anytime soon. > > So, unless there are a few more of you who want to kick me while I'm > down. I thought the poster quoted above had made a good observation. > > Truly chastised, > > Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 13:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08440; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:55:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:54:38 EDT Subject: re: Echoplex Off on the PMC-10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 19/04/02 16:00:30 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > So what I did is to also include a volume message of zero with string A, and > a subsequent value of 127 with string B, and use the momentary setting. > I also just did one with record on string A and multiply on string B--this > was in response to one of Andre's postings--you end the first loop with > multiply. > These will probably also be doable with the Behringer. 'fraid not, all that stringA stringB stuff just isn't going to happen on the Behringer pedal. however the Loop4 software will allow an instant reset with one MIDI note-on. (and a global reset) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 14:15:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10842; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Shawn Mayer" To: Subject: Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:12:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all... just joined the list, so I hope I'm not posting on a really redundant subject.... I'm wondering about assigning loops/samples to keyboards while working in SONAR. I'm looking for a way (plug-in) that I can chop up a loop and assign it to the keys. It's easy enough to do in Reason, but it's a pain to keep going back and forth from program to program. I know SONAR 2 has rewire so you can stick a Dr. Rex sampler right into a track, but it'll be a long time before I can afford Sonar2. I know this functionality can't entirely be reserved for CREATIVE's soundfont format, but I haven't yet been able to find something to fit my needs. Relevant info if needed: PC,P3 at 800 mHz, M-Audio Delta 66 with Omni I/O, evolution MIDI controller, Sonar XL. Thanks in advance for any advice. Shawn Mayer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 14:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11453; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: GW: used repeater on H-C Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:13:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2002 18:13:55.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7DDBA60:01C1E7CD] Resent-Message-ID: <9dGP2D.A.qxC.C6Fw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey boys and girls, I just saw this ad on Harmony-central and though of you. I figured there was probably someone here on the lookout for a repeater. Don't mail me - I've got nothing to do with it. USB AUDIO< ELECTRIX REPEATER Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12804; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:25:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:22:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shawn, SONAR 2.0 is the way to go. It's new synth Cyclone DXi will allow you to trigger loops from any midi device. It supports key mapping and multiple outputs. You also have full control of each slice of a loop, and can assign individual slices to different MIDI notes. If you already have SONAR 1.0 you can get SONAR 2.0 for $79. Cyclone alone is worth the price of admission. You might also consider the VSampler DXi synth. You could use that to assign different samples from a chopped up loop to different MIDI notes on a keyboard. I work here at Cakewalk so let me know if you have any other questions. Best regards, Carl Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Mayer [mailto:shawnm@digitalmed.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:13 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping Hey all... just joined the list, so I hope I'm not posting on a really redundant subject.... I'm wondering about assigning loops/samples to keyboards while working in SONAR. I'm looking for a way (plug-in) that I can chop up a loop and assign it to the keys. It's easy enough to do in Reason, but it's a pain to keep going back and forth from program to program. I know SONAR 2 has rewire so you can stick a Dr. Rex sampler right into a track, but it'll be a long time before I can afford Sonar2. I know this functionality can't entirely be reserved for CREATIVE's soundfont format, but I haven't yet been able to find something to fit my needs. Relevant info if needed: PC,P3 at 800 mHz, M-Audio Delta 66 with Omni I/O, evolution MIDI controller, Sonar XL. Thanks in advance for any advice. Shawn Mayer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 14:51:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15358; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:50:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c1e7d3$09304a80$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: loop trigger in Sonar (Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:49:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carl mentioned: > ... trigger loops from any midi device Does the ability to trigger loops that you mention depend on the 'MIDI key bindings' feature? If so, doesn't that mean a 'shift' note on value must be sent in combination with any MIDI note trigger? I ask because I was recently looking into using the Behringer FCB1010 to control Sonar for other reasons (start/stop recording) but ran into a gotcha because it appears the MIDI key bindings require the use of a 'shift' value, meaning I would need to send 2 note values to trigger an event, but the 1010 only sends one per press. I was wondering how to work around this, but haven't come up with an answer. I thought perhaps sending a note on to put it in shift mode and leaving it that way for subsequent actions might work but I haven't tried that yet. thanks for any light you can shed on this. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: RE: Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping > Shawn, > > SONAR 2.0 is the way to go. It's new synth Cyclone DXi will allow you to > trigger loops from any midi device. It supports key mapping and multiple > outputs. You also have full control of each slice of a loop, and can assign > individual slices to different MIDI notes. > > If you already have SONAR 1.0 you can get SONAR 2.0 for $79. Cyclone alone > is worth the price of admission. > > You might also consider the VSampler DXi synth. You could use that to > assign different samples from a chopped up loop to different MIDI notes on a > keyboard. > > I work here at Cakewalk so let me know if you have any other questions. > > Best regards, > > Carl Jacobson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Mayer [mailto:shawnm@digitalmed.com] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:13 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping > > Hey all... just joined the list, so I hope I'm not posting on a really > redundant subject.... > > I'm wondering about assigning loops/samples to keyboards while working in > SONAR. > I'm looking for a way (plug-in) that I can chop up a loop and assign it to > the keys. It's easy enough to do in Reason, but it's a pain to keep going > back and forth from program to program. I know SONAR 2 has rewire so you can > stick a Dr. Rex sampler right into a track, but it'll be a long time before > I can afford Sonar2. > > I know this functionality can't entirely be reserved for CREATIVE's > soundfont format, but I haven't yet been able to find something to fit my > needs. > > Relevant info if needed: > PC,P3 at 800 mHz, M-Audio Delta 66 with Omni I/O, evolution MIDI controller, > Sonar XL. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > Shawn Mayer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 16:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25461; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: loop trigger in Sonar (Greetings, and a question about sampli ng/chopping) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:08:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <3CwzUD.A.cMG.4lHw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob, Thanks for your question. No it's not a key binding thing at all. Cyclone is a new soft synth, it's key mapping basically just assigns sounds to the MIDI notes that the synth responds to. RE: The Behringer question, I'll need to forward this to someone in support. I know in SONAR 2.0 we have a learn mode that allow you to automate and control SONAR with any MIDI-compatible hardware controller, so you could probably achieve what you are looking for with that. Not sure about doing it in earlier versions of the program. Let me know if I can answer anything else. Best regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell [mailto:rcc@nwlink.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop trigger in Sonar (Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping) Carl mentioned: > ... trigger loops from any midi device Does the ability to trigger loops that you mention depend on the 'MIDI key bindings' feature? If so, doesn't that mean a 'shift' note on value must be sent in combination with any MIDI note trigger? I ask because I was recently looking into using the Behringer FCB1010 to control Sonar for other reasons (start/stop recording) but ran into a gotcha because it appears the MIDI key bindings require the use of a 'shift' value, meaning I would need to send 2 note values to trigger an event, but the 1010 only sends one per press. I was wondering how to work around this, but haven't come up with an answer. I thought perhaps sending a note on to put it in shift mode and leaving it that way for subsequent actions might work but I haven't tried that yet. thanks for any light you can shed on this. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: RE: Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping > Shawn, > > SONAR 2.0 is the way to go. It's new synth Cyclone DXi will allow you to > trigger loops from any midi device. It supports key mapping and multiple > outputs. You also have full control of each slice of a loop, and can assign > individual slices to different MIDI notes. > > If you already have SONAR 1.0 you can get SONAR 2.0 for $79. Cyclone alone > is worth the price of admission. > > You might also consider the VSampler DXi synth. You could use that to > assign different samples from a chopped up loop to different MIDI notes on a > keyboard. > > I work here at Cakewalk so let me know if you have any other questions. > > Best regards, > > Carl Jacobson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Mayer [mailto:shawnm@digitalmed.com] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:13 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Greetings, and a question about sampling/chopping > > Hey all... just joined the list, so I hope I'm not posting on a really > redundant subject.... > > I'm wondering about assigning loops/samples to keyboards while working in > SONAR. > I'm looking for a way (plug-in) that I can chop up a loop and assign it to > the keys. It's easy enough to do in Reason, but it's a pain to keep going > back and forth from program to program. I know SONAR 2 has rewire so you can > stick a Dr. Rex sampler right into a track, but it'll be a long time before > I can afford Sonar2. > > I know this functionality can't entirely be reserved for CREATIVE's > soundfont format, but I haven't yet been able to find something to fit my > needs. > > Relevant info if needed: > PC,P3 at 800 mHz, M-Audio Delta 66 with Omni I/O, evolution MIDI controller, > Sonar XL. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > Shawn Mayer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 16:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26040; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:14:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CC0538E.355511C@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7Iq8HC.A.nVG.rrHw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark-you were being serious? hey lighten up loopstock brotha-mistake schmistake-there was nothing of the kind. i think all posts concerning us looper people is relevant and fun to read,discuss,putdown, and surely not 'wrong'when it concerns one or some of we... jus chimin in s > We've all (well maybe not all) made this mistake (I have), it just seems that > it's reached epidemic proportions. Just trying to help make the list > streamlined and fun, as it mostly is. > > Mark Sottilaro > > ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> In a message dated 4/19/02 8:15:10 AM, magicicada@charter.net writes: >> >>> it is rather ironic that there is more mails about this >>>> subject than there are actual 'private mails' >> >> Okay, okay. Public flogging accepted . . . or do I have to do sit in the >> stocks in the town square for a while too wearing a pointed dunce cap >> and a sign around my neck saying "bandwidth waster"? >> >> Sorry! My mistake. I just happened to see a post from Hans on the list >> and it reminded me that I should e-mail him. Unthinkingly, I simply replied >> to his LD e-mail and changed the subject line. I had no idea that anyone >> would be so offended nor that the crime was so grievous. Honestly, >> I really did not think about it . . . so I guess that makes it an act of >> "thoughtlessness" for which I sincerely apologize. >> >> So I guess I am guilty of "B" a little from time to time. I've been working >> daily into the wee hours for the last 10 days (and one all-nighter in there >> too) trying to make a deadline. I was tired and wasn't thinking correctly. >> Enough of my excuses though. Please accept my apologies. It's an >> oversight that I am not likely to make again (lets hope) anytime soon. >> >> So, unless there are a few more of you who want to kick me while I'm >> down. I thought the poster quoted above had made a good observation. >> >> Truly chastised, >> >> Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 16:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27553; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010401c1e7e1$d7d4f440$87168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers" , "Chris Richards" Subject: Re: Robert Fripp Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:32:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was written: >< footpedal rigged to the erase head on one deck >that he used to clear the loop?>> > >I have a bootleg tape of one of the original >Frippertronic performances from 79, from Miami, >and it does seem like, in places, he has control >over the feedback, but I'm not sure how he does >it. I came up with the idea that before the >signal from the second tape deck was fed back >into the first deck, it first went into a volume >pedal. This would allow you to fade the loop out, >and then you can overdub something new on top, so >that the earlier part of the loop becomes just >sort of a background noise as you add more >prominent things on top. I dunno if this exactly >how he had it set up or not, but that's kind of >my impression of how it worked. > >Also, I'm wondering if anyone knows exactly how >Fripp actually did these performances. Did he >create the loops first, then rewind them and play >them back and solo on top of them, or did he solo >as the creation of the loop progressed. I'm >thinking it would take a simple A/B box to do the >latter, channel feeding the guitar into the lag >accumulator (where did that phrase come from? >Before a couple days ago, I had never heard it), >channel B going into either an amp or a mixer of >some sort. The Miami tape kinda suggests the >latter, as you hear stuff where he builds the >loop for quite some time before you finally hear >him start soloing. I heard/saw the Frippster perform around 79 at The Kitchen in NYC. He used the two Revoxes with a quad system (!) placed in the four corners of the room. The first note would appear front left, then move back left, then back right, then front right, etc. around and around. I found this remarkable! Did no one else hear this in these early performances? I don't recall specific soloing over the loops, but I don't recall NO soloing, either. A simple a/b switch could implement soloing over loops. BYpass the recorder input, go direct to the amp, nomsane? It would have been a simple matter to lean over and crank the record or playback level to attain either near-infinite repeats or more rapid decay. At the end of - what? twenty minutes? forty minutes? time became so slippery during that music - Robert threaded a complete reel back on the first machine, hit "play," and took a break while we listened to the previous reel/set BACKWARDS! Way cool minimalist composition/process technique. During the second set, he broke a string and proceeded to change it while maintaining the loop/jam he was in the middle of. I learned an immense amount about changing strings in that brief moment. On th first League of Crafty Guitarists album, the Frippertronics piece is built upon a two- or three-minute backing track heard first forward, then backward. He solos over the entire thing. > >Oh, and I agree that No Pussyfooting and Evening >Star are both excellent albums to check out. I'm >not as familiar with his more recent Soundscape >recordings. I have a few of them, but I dunno >that I could recommend one over the others. >Personally, I prefered it when Fripp was doing >the original Frippertronic performances with just >his old Les Paul Custom and whatever effects >pedals he was using (at least volume and >distortion pedals). I have one Frippertronics >recording from 83, I think it is, where he's >using the Roland GR-300 guitar synth, and that, >for some reason I don't like as much. Likewise, I >don't quite like the Soundscape recordings as >much either. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 17:09:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30989; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:05:41 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: you there?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2YYB0C.A.7iH.HcIw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haven't seen anything from this list in several days... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 17:12:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31237; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:10:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419135748.04ee3ec0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:05:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: can somebody in the bay area loan me a PA?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks- is there somebody in the bay area who can loan me a small PA for our concert tomorrow? A couple of powered speakers would be good enough. Even powered studio monitors would probably be ok, it doesn't have to be real loud, just clean and flat response. mail me off list if this is possible... thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 17:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30958; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.2697cbe6.29f1e0fa@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:07:06 EDT Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.2697cbe6.29f1e0fa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <1iWcYB.A.bjH.bcIw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.2697cbe6.29f1e0fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/02 11:34:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > Sorry! My mistake. no need for the mae culpa ted.....i thought what you wrote to hans was a neat little "self" review of a show that members of our community came together for.....i'm as guilty as the next guy, i dont save everyone's e-mail address and will often use the list to mail someone (an individual) with some loop (music) related issue, i do try to be careful of my subject line..... mark wrote: <> mark.....my question to you would be: why reprint all of teds e-mail, couldnt you gleen a few choice words of his apology.....wouldnt this save "bandwidth"?.....this happens all of the time and ive always wondered why.....sorry i had to butt in.....michael --part1_38.2697cbe6.29f1e0fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/02 11:34:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


Sorry! My mistake.


no need for the mae culpa ted.....i thought what you wrote to hans was a neat little "self" review of a show that members of our community came together for.....i'm as guilty as the next guy, i dont save everyone's e-mail address and will often use the list to mail someone (an individual) with some loop (music) related issue, i do try to be careful of my subject line.....

mark wrote:

<<Just trying to help make the list
streamlined and fun>>

mark.....my question to you would be: why reprint all of teds e-mail, couldnt you gleen a few choice words of his apology.....wouldnt this save "bandwidth"?.....this happens all of the time and ive always wondered why.....sorry i had to butt in.....michael
 --part1_38.2697cbe6.29f1e0fa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 17:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32081; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020419211536.85042.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: you there?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, tom@swirly.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com something may be wrong...i'm getting your messages, but i filter all of my list sstuff to its own folder and your messages appear in my regular inbox (as do some others from list members). the list hasn't been too active, but probably about 15 - 20 messages a day for the past few days... sorry for personal reply, but this man is in trouble and not even getting the good replies! --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > haven't seen anything from this list in several > days... > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open > loop": shows every Saturday! > http://whatGoes.com/submit > .......................... submit to the calendar. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 17:18:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32229; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:17:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.fc26b6f.29f1e316@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:16:06 EDT Subject: Re: you there?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11d.fc26b6f.29f1e316_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11d.fc26b6f.29f1e316_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/02 5:07:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > haven't seen anything from this list in several days... > wow tom.....we been yellin and screamin and carryin on.....other mailing lists have told us to quiet down over here or get out of the hood.....in fact, some of us think there have been too many posts.....nah, we are still here.....crazy as ever.....michael --part1_11d.fc26b6f.29f1e316_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/02 5:07:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes:


haven't seen anything from this list in several days...


wow tom.....we been yellin and screamin and carryin on.....other mailing lists have told us to quiet down over here or get out of the hood.....in fact, some of us think there have been too many posts.....nah, we are still here.....crazy as ever.....michael --part1_11d.fc26b6f.29f1e316_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 17:57:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03219; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:56:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC0924F.C842D62C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:55:21 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I am serious. There's a ton of stuff on this list that I'm not interested in, and I happily delete it every day. What I'm talking about is the, "Hey I sent you a CD, did you get it?" type of emails. Now, I'd love to here about anyone wanting to do a CD exchange, but why post about the particulars of the exchange? I email a lot of list members about things that I know no one cares about. I don't email loopers's delight when I want to see if Jon Wagner wants to play. If I'm looking to jam with random loopers, then I'd mail the list. Doesn't that make sense? Mark Stan Card wrote: > mark-you were being serious? hey lighten up loopstock brotha-mistake > schmistake-there was nothing of the kind. i think all posts concerning us > looper people is relevant and fun to read,discuss,putdown, and surely not > 'wrong'when it concerns one or some of we... > jus chimin in From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 18:06:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05468; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:05:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:05:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <15a.c91bf93.29f1ee3d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:03:41 EDT Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.c91bf93.29f1ee3d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: <8lTEo.A.MUB.4RJw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15a.c91bf93.29f1ee3d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This "thread" is definitely in a loop of its own :) Grin, John Price - AKASH - The World's MOst Erotic Band www.mp3.com/akashmusic www.akashmusic.com 215.592.9963 business phone 215.485.6128 mobile --part1_15a.c91bf93.29f1ee3d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This "thread" is definitely in a loop of its own :)

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 --part1_15a.c91bf93.29f1ee3d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 18:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06197; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:14:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC0968A.392FBBC8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:13:24 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) References: <38.2697cbe6.29f1e0fa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > mark.....my question to you would be: why reprint all of teds e-mail, > couldnt you gleen a few choice words of his apology.....wouldnt this > save "bandwidth"?.....this happens all of the time and ive always > wondered why.....sorry i had to butt in.....michael Yes, you're right, I usually do trim posts, but in this case I wanted to include the entire post to emphasize how ridiculous it was to be sending out personal communications to this list. My point wasn't bandwidth as much as it was just basic email noise/clutter and courtesy. Right now I'm in on a little remix CD exchange experiment with some friends around the country. It's music related, but I don't CC this list. Why? Because the emails are like, "OK, let's send the cd's out by the end of the month..." Not interesting to anyone not part of the exchange. It's simple email list etiquette, most lists will kick you off if you don't obey these rules, this one just uses people like me having little rants to make it happen. Did a few members spend a few hours in the virtual LD stockade? Sure, but that's OK if it makes the "society" a bit better. and BTW, get off my lawn! Damn kids! Mark (cranky old man) Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 20:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15730; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:49:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC0BA48.DD859524@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:46:00 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Los Angeles Loopist Invades Oakland Party... Film at 11:00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, Last night a certain brilliant software designer from Brazil dropped me an email and asked if I'd be interested in coming up to the LoopIV party at Kim's on Saturday, to help with demonstrating new features. So it looks like I'll be joining Mr. Grob in presenting the EDP upgrade. If anybody in the area who's planning on coming feels like bringing a video camera, this might be a nice thing to document. (Perhaps Kim's already made arrangements for this? I don't know...) I have doubts as to whether or not I'll have anything to add to the information bestowed by Kim and Matthias, but I look forward to the trip up yonder. After having had the privilege of working with LoopIV since the beginning of this year, I'm delighted to be able to help out with its unveiling. Hope to see some of you up there! Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 21:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18076; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:13:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020418211832.016a9100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:18:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Can you keep private emails off the list? (was Re: video received) In-Reply-To: <38.2697cbe6.29f1e0fa@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even tho' Ted's reply went to the list via operator error, evoking the visual image of > captain kangaroo playing acid rock atoned for it IMHO. YMMV, -nick Nemoguitt@... said and I agree: >no need for the mae culpa ted.....i thought what you wrote to >hans was a neat little "self" review of a show that members of >our community came together for..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 21:18:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18380; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:17:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:17:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020418212248.01661c20@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:22:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Los Angeles Loopist Invades Oakland Party... Film at 11:00 In-Reply-To: <3CC0BA48.DD859524@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre said: >If anybody in the area who's planning on coming feels like bringing a >video camera, this might be a nice thing to document. (Perhaps Kim's >already made arrangements for this? I don't know...) PLEASE, Please, Please! Somebody videotape this thang! Voices in the distant hinterland cry out for Video Demo and Instruction for the EDP. TIA, -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 21:28:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18716; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:22:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:18:39 -0400 From: skincage Subject: shoutcasting help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <007301c1e809$4d9d7900$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can anybody give me a crash course? i'd like to start doing "shows" via shoutcast, practicing for in person shows and also just to keep my loopy chops up. any advice? thanks! Jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 21:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19036; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419181216.02682350@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:23:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Los Angeles Loopist Invades Oakland Party... Film at 11:00 In-Reply-To: <3CC0BA48.DD859524@altruistmusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is going to be great fun! Andre and Matthias jamming together, ya can't beat it! Plus, a lot of the new LoopIV features are really tuned into Andre's deep and modern looping approach. We're really excited that he's agreed to come up and help show it off. This is quite a treat. And sorry, I don't have a video camera. I'm still trying to figure out how to get a PA! this is all coming together at the last minute, so video will have to be somebody else's department.... audio recordings would be nice also if somebody can bring a dat. kim At 05:46 PM 4/19/2002, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Hello list, > >Last night a certain brilliant software designer from Brazil dropped me >an email and asked if I'd be interested in coming up to the LoopIV party >at Kim's on Saturday, to help with demonstrating new features. So it >looks like I'll be joining Mr. Grob in presenting the EDP upgrade. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 22:14:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22953; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:13:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:13:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC0CDF5.796FF05E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:09:57 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Los Angeles Loopist Invades Oakland Party... Film at 11:00 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419181216.02682350@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Kim and Co., I just talked to Hans Lindauer, who I'll be carpooling up with from SLO to Oakland. He's interested in bringing his video camera along, so it looks like there'll be ample documentation from that angle. (Hans really deserves some sort of medal at this point... the man is just too cool for words). However, if anyone else coming has a video camera to spare, I don't think redundancy would be a bad idea. Hans and I should be departing SLO around 3:30 or so, give or take. We'll do our best to get there ASAP, but don't worry if we haven't arrived at the initial 7:30 PM start time. Kim, what should we do about amplification? I can bring my combo amp if need be, and if you're trying to find a way of procuring a PA then I'm guessing it would help... Drop an email my way sometime before tomorrow morning (or give a call) and we'll work out any necessary details. C ya, --Andre Kim Flint wrote: > > This is going to be great fun! Andre and Matthias jamming together, ya > can't beat it! > > Plus, a lot of the new LoopIV features are really tuned into Andre's deep > and modern looping approach. We're really excited that he's agreed to come > up and help show it off. This is quite a treat. > > And sorry, I don't have a video camera. I'm still trying to figure out how > to get a PA! this is all coming together at the last minute, so video will > have to be somebody else's department.... audio recordings would be nice > also if somebody can bring a dat. > > kim > > At 05:46 PM 4/19/2002, Andre LaFosse wrote: > >Hello list, > > > >Last night a certain brilliant software designer from Brazil dropped me > >an email and asked if I'd be interested in coming up to the LoopIV party > >at Kim's on Saturday, to help with demonstrating new features. So it > >looks like I'll be joining Mr. Grob in presenting the EDP upgrade. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 19 22:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23341; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC0D033.52CD972D@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:20:41 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Los Angeles Loopist Invades Oakland Party... Film at 11:00 References: <3.0.6.32.20020418212248.01661c20@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nick douglas wrote: > Andre said: > > >If anybody in the area who's planning on coming feels like bringing a > >video camera, this might be a nice thing to document. (Perhaps Kim's > >already made arrangements for this? I don't know...) > > PLEASE, Please, Please! Somebody videotape this thang! Voices in the distant hinterland cry out for Video Demo and Instruction for the EDP. > TIA, > -nick yes! yes! yes! the world wants to see the upgrade in action! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 20 06:37:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05850; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 06:35:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 06:35:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <18.1de84787.29f29e47@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 06:34:47 EDT Subject: Re: Robert Fripp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > He used > the two Revoxes with a quad system (!) placed in the four corners of the > room. The first note would appear front left, then move back left, then back > right, then front right, etc. around and around. I found this remarkable! > Did no one else hear this in these early performances? The first frippertronics albums have a side to side motion, due to the second track being used to create a short echo. but a Quad effect from 2 stereo decks?? anyone got any ideas? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 20 11:43:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31634; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAsSLL8JsAo5udi5sqLbQ64+7wjvQCFQCE68L6Hz+wY7Q+ItcNiqCUGUXl3g== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:36:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Video of edp upgrade Message-ID: <18379-3CC18B03-1848@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes a video is a must for all of us who cant make the physical location but would love to see the maestro and his invention in action. Not to forget the first EDP instructional video, which I hope is still being contemplated. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 20 23:06:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23911; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:04:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020420195342.022ec130@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:59:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417175552.0215a360@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Starting right about now, in case you were wondering what to do tonight. Also, since I had several people get confused about this today: the address is 3150 Adeline St., OAKLAND. That's West Oakland. If you are coming and find yourself anywhere near Berkeley, you are about 5 miles away on the wrong end of Adeline St. The street does not loop, only we do. :-) see you here! kim At 09:15 PM 4/17/2002, you wrote: > Aurisis Research LoopIV Pre-Release Showcase > > > *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** > *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** > *** Pre-Release Celebration *** > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 > > Door open at 7:30pm > Demonstration and Concert begins at 9:00 > Party with Aurisis Research 11pm until whenever > > 3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA USA > > $10 donation requested ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 20 23:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24598; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:18:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:18:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: emmersive sound Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <18379-3CC18B03-1848@storefull-2354.public.lawson.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a project in mind that calls for to creating a sound experience for listeners that feels full-bodied and emmersive, even at low listening levels in a small venue. The source material could include a live instrument(s) , possibly Stick, bass, synth, some with stereo effects, as well as some recorded music. At first I thought I might need a pair of good sized cabinets, feeling that I'd need a good amount of low-end to support the 'emmersion'. But I'm considering 2-4 dispersed, relatively smaller cabinets as an alternative. Quite a few pro/cons for each, I'm sure. What would be some of the most important elements to achieve this effect? Reverb/delay? low-freq.? (quasi)multichannel? other? thanks, -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 20 23:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25184; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:31:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:31:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:24:59 -0400 From: skincage Subject: Re: emmersive sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <026b01c1e8e4$1e6afc80$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <75VjdD.A.3IG.kJjw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you might look into tunings loosely based on the automatic cycles of the body, brainwave synchronization tones, etc. just off the top of my head. let us know how it goes! Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Qua and Vishara Veda To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: emmersive sound > I have a project in mind that calls for to creating a sound experience for > listeners that feels full-bodied and emmersive, even at low listening levels > in a small venue. The source material could include a live instrument(s) , > possibly Stick, bass, synth, some with stereo effects, as well as some > recorded music. > > At first I thought I might need a pair of good sized cabinets, feeling that > I'd need a good amount of low-end to support the 'emmersion'. But I'm > considering 2-4 dispersed, relatively smaller cabinets as an alternative. > Quite a few pro/cons for each, I'm sure. > > What would be some of the most important elements to achieve this effect? > Reverb/delay? low-freq.? (quasi)multichannel? other? > > thanks, > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 20 23:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26252; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:46:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:46:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020420195342.022ec130@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0hPE.A.-ZG.SYjw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am totally there in spirit, sorry I couldn't make it, and CAN'T WAIT to get my Loop IV installed! _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Echoplex LoopIV Showcase and Pre-Release Event > > > Starting right about now, in case you were wondering what to do tonight. > > Also, since I had several people get confused about this today: > > the address is 3150 Adeline St., OAKLAND. That's West Oakland. If you are > coming and find yourself anywhere near Berkeley, you are about 5 > miles away > on the wrong end of Adeline St. The street does not loop, only we do. :-) > > see you here! > kim > > At 09:15 PM 4/17/2002, you wrote: > > > Aurisis Research LoopIV Pre-Release Showcase > > > > > > *** Echoplex LoopIV Demonstration *** > > *** Performance by Matthias Grob *** > > *** Pre-Release Celebration *** > > > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 > > > > Door open at 7:30pm > > Demonstration and Concert begins at 9:00 > > Party with Aurisis Research 11pm until whenever > > > > 3150 Adeline St., Oakland, CA USA > > > > $10 donation requested > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 00:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29886; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:34:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:34:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <41.1bf06d96.29f39aec@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:32:44 EDT Subject: Re: emmersive sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_41.1bf06d96.29f39aec_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_41.1bf06d96.29f39aec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jon, You certainly have my attention here re: tunings as did the origianl post concerning emmersive sound. I am not too well informed in Alt Tunings but these types of tunings you have mentioned sure do intrigue me. At the risk of maybe sounding stoopid, I'm curious & would ask you what "tunings", are available or assignable-ascribed, etc., to this tuning system you mention? Got any examples that we can hear? Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH The World's Most Erptic Band! www.mp3.com/akashmusic www.akashmusic.com 215.592.9963 business phone 215.485.6128 mobile TUNE INTO AKASHRADIO @ MP3.COM RIGHT NOW! http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html --part1_41.1bf06d96.29f39aec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jon,

You certainly have my attention here re: tunings as did the origianl post concerning emmersive sound.

I am not too well informed in Alt Tunings but these types of tunings you have mentioned sure do intrigue me.

At the risk of maybe sounding stoopid, I'm curious & would ask you  what "tunings", are available or assignable-ascribed, etc., to this tuning system you mention?

Got any examples that we can hear?

Warm Regards,       
John Price/AKASH
The World's Most Erptic Band!
www.mp3.com/akashmusic
www.akashmusic.com
215.592.9963 business phone
215.485.6128 mobile
TUNE INTO AKASHRADIO @ MP3.COM RIGHT NOW!
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html
 --part1_41.1bf06d96.29f39aec_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 10:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06050; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:02:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:02:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: FS: Lexicon MPX1 & Proteus 2000 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:01:43 -0500 Message-ID: <00f101c1e93d$116a4aa0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <026b01c1e8e4$1e6afc80$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought someone in this group would be interested. I am selling my Proteus 2000 with the Protozoa ROM. Here is the info: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861378116 I am also selling a Lexicon MPX-1 stereo effects processor: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861495331 Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 10:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07328; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC2CBFD.5504A394@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:26:06 -0500 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: emmersive sound References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'd suggest a couple of subwoofers in addition to the speakers that you're considering. mackie & yorkville & lots of others make a great self powered sub. bobdog Qua and Vishara Veda wrote: > I have a project in mind that calls for to creating a sound experience for > listeners that feels full-bodied and emmersive, even at low listening levels > in a small venue. The source material could include a live instrument(s) , > possibly Stick, bass, synth, some with stereo effects, as well as some > recorded music. > > At first I thought I might need a pair of good sized cabinets, feeling that > I'd need a good amount of low-end to support the 'emmersion'. But I'm > considering 2-4 dispersed, relatively smaller cabinets as an alternative. > Quite a few pro/cons for each, I'm sure. > > What would be some of the most important elements to achieve this effect? > Reverb/delay? low-freq.? (quasi)multichannel? other? > > thanks, > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 14:00:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21424; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:58:42 -0700 Subject: Re: emmersive sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3CC2CBFD.5504A394@pseudobuddha.com> Message-Id: <6A7A3DCC-5551-11D6-B2CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the best shows I've ever played was a private little "chill rave" called WOOM. It was great because they had really nice Mackie monitors in each corner of the room, as well as a pair pointing at the DJ area where we were playing. With no feedback to worry about, it was great having speakers in behind us by a good 15 feet. Also, I was processing my loops through both a Vortex and an Alesis AirFX, both which do very nice stereo processing. Made me want to go right out and get a pair of those Mackie's I must say. Maybe when I get my tax refund... Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 07:26 AM, Bobdog wrote: > i'd suggest a couple of subwoofers in addition to the speakers that > you're > considering. mackie & yorkville & lots of others make a great self > powered sub. > > bobdog > > Qua and Vishara Veda wrote: > >> I have a project in mind that calls for to creating a sound >> experience for >> listeners that feels full-bodied and emmersive, even at low listening >> levels >> in a small venue. The source material could include a live >> instrument(s) , >> possibly Stick, bass, synth, some with stereo effects, as well as some >> recorded music. >> >> At first I thought I might need a pair of good sized cabinets, feeling >> that >> I'd need a good amount of low-end to support the 'emmersion'. But I'm >> considering 2-4 dispersed, relatively smaller cabinets as an >> alternative. >> Quite a few pro/cons for each, I'm sure. >> >> What would be some of the most important elements to achieve this >> effect? >> Reverb/delay? low-freq.? (quasi)multichannel? other? >> >> thanks, >> -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 15:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25386; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:02:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: emmersive sound Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:01:51 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6A7A3DCC-5551-11D6-B2CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fran: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > One of the best shows I've ever played was a private little "chill rave" > called WOOM. It was great because they had really nice Mackie monitors.... // > Mark Sottilaro Mark, Was this the Mackie HR824 you were testing? I've been thinking about them as studio monitors and I'm wondering if they could also do the job live, together with a sub woofer? For small looping gigs in a chilled out environment that is. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 16:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30352; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:18:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:18:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:18:24 -0700 Subject: OT: Compressor/Limiter recommendations From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got three places in my signal chain that could use compressors, and I'm looking for advice on each of them. (1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm using the DynaComp simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a dedicated compressor. This is probably the least critical. (2) Before my EDP. I'd like some protection from overloading the input into the EDP coming off of my Mackie 1642. I haven't had a lot of trouble but I'm also just keeping the levels moderately low. My priority on this one is higher than the guitar case, but still much lower than the last... (3) I need a compressor or better yet a compressor and an analog to SPDIF digital converter to take the mix signal off my Mackier and feed it to my DAT or my SP-808. Digital distortion stinks and I've been sacrificing headroom by just keeping my levels low. I want to be able to set the recording levels based on where I seem to be playing while knowing that if I get louder the signal will get compressed/limited rather than clipped. Item (3) is the most pressing need. I don't need fancy microphone preamps. I don't need fancy mastering capabilities though I wouldn't mind them. What I do need is something that will let me get from analog to digital without digital distortion. I've seen TC Electronic Triple*C's are becoming cheap. Would that be a good choice? For that matter would the M*One work? Or would I simply be moving the problem so that I'd be sending a lower level signal to the TC A-D converter and then amplifying it digitally in the effects box? Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 16:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31131; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:26:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: RE: emmersive sound Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:25:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <4xGs_B.A.4lH.aByw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the suggestions so far on creating emmersive sound at low-mid vol.levels, in a small environment. BTW, I'm currently using two mackie SRM450's. They are very ergonomic, and sound really great from 20+ feet away. I haven't given up on them, but they don't give me 'emmersive' sound I'm looking for in a small environment. The larger mackie powered PAs (2-way and 3way) sound significantly better!, but maybe overkill for small rooms. Mid-field studio monitors might work with subs. I'm also considering boutique amp/cabinets, which sound more open and have better bass in the mid-field than the SRM450s. Do you think that 2-4 high quality, small cabs(or powered PAs) dispersed in the room, plus sub(s) may be the best way to give the audience a sense of being enveloped in sound, even at quiet levels they can talk over? -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SV: emmersive sound > Fran: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > One of the best shows I've ever played was a private little "chill rave" > called WOOM. It was great because they had really nice Mackie monitors.... // > Mark Sottilaro Mark, Was this the Mackie HR824 you were testing? I've been thinking about them as studio monitors and I'm wondering if they could also do the job live, together with a sub woofer? For small looping gigs in a chilled out environment that is. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 16:28:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31418; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:27:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:27:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:27:09 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Compressor/Limiter recommendations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <27E47C06-5566-11D6-B2CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if I'd go so compressor crazy. Dynamic range is your friend. There are times it's nice for some sounds, but I rarely use a compressor. I don't like taking that element (dynamic range) away from my expressive palette. I also would much rather have some noise than use a noise gate for the same reason. I'll be the one that stops the note, thank you! Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 01:18 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've got three places in my signal chain that could use compressors, > and I'm > looking for advice on each of them. > > (1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm using the DynaComp > simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a dedicated > compressor. > This is probably the least critical. > > (2) Before my EDP. I'd like some protection from overloading the input > into > the EDP coming off of my Mackie 1642. I haven't had a lot of trouble > but I'm > also just keeping the levels moderately low. My priority on this one is > higher than the guitar case, but still much lower than the last... > > (3) I need a compressor or better yet a compressor and an analog to > SPDIF > digital converter to take the mix signal off my Mackier and feed it to > my > DAT or my SP-808. Digital distortion stinks and I've been sacrificing > headroom by just keeping my levels low. I want to be able to set the > recording levels based on where I seem to be playing while knowing that > if I > get louder the signal will get compressed/limited rather than clipped. > > Item (3) is the most pressing need. I don't need fancy microphone > preamps. I > don't need fancy mastering capabilities though I wouldn't mind them. > What I > do need is something that will let me get from analog to digital without > digital distortion. > > I've seen TC Electronic Triple*C's are becoming cheap. Would that be a > good > choice? For that matter would the M*One work? Or would I simply be > moving > the problem so that I'd be sending a lower level signal to the TC A-D > converter and then amplifying it digitally in the effects box? > > Thanks. > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 16:35:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30967; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:24:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:24:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c1e972$70d47580$7963f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200204211431.KAA07661@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: very cool looping show at the TUVA SPACE in Berkeley, California MONDAY APRIL 22nd (tomorrow) 8 p.m. Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:23:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I'm very excited to tell you about a show that I'm part of on Monday in Berkeley, California. I am on tour with one of the most amazing musicians that I have ever played with, a flutist named Robert Dick. We are recording all of our concerts to ADAT for a possible future release. We will each do a short set and then play improvisationally together Robert Dick is a free improviser playing flute, bass flute (astonishin) and slide flute from Switzerland. His depth of improvisation, technique and creativity seem unbounded. Last night we performed and improvised with looping/laptop vocalist Pamela Z. Both she and I do a lot of processing in our act (she is really incredible if you haven't checked her out) and we were both astonished at how 'electronic' Robert sounds only using an acoustic musician. Anyway, I will be joined in my set by the incomparable Matthias Grob (from Switzerland by way of Bahia, Brazil) who will be using the new EDP software (being demoed tonight) that he and Kim Flynt have been designing. I'm very excited about the show. There may also be another guest artist from this list but I don't want to spill the beans until I see his creative, pointed head in the audience. For listees, I WILL be playing my Martha Stewart Brass Wastebasket , as well as the amazing Liquid Glass Ghatam, Dayglo Green Plastic and several other pieces of found and invented wierdness.................. BE THERE OR BE LOOPLESS!!!!!! yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) MONDAY, APRIL 22nd 8 p.m. $10/donation NO ONE TURNED AWAY FOR LACK OF FUNDS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 16:39:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32072; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:33:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c1e973$cfafcb80$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <18.1de84787.29f29e47@aol.com> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Faceless Forces Of Bigness Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:33:35 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Photos are now up for the January & February 2002 shows by Software, ARC, Planet Of The Loops, The Godawful Noise, Sarah Peebles, DJ Greg Clow & DJ strangeangel23, Pholde, Michelle Bellerose, Spectral Wave and H.A.M. http://www.theambientping.com/index.html#photos and http://www.theambientping.com/thelongschedule.html#photos Photos from Sept and Oct 2001 on the main page will be pruned and merged with 'the long schedule' within the next week - so grab a peek now before the spring cleaning begins. Trivia - The Ping site has now had over 10,000 visits. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday April 23rd 2002 - Faceless Forces Of Bigness FFOB is a spontaneous collective of four aural & visual pollutors (actually, three aural & one visual). While keeping the compositional tools simple, FFOB generate sonic landscapes without falling back on familiar techniques like sampling or MIDI. Their visualist approaches film-making from the performance standpoint, with spontaneous improvised editing in the present tense. Expect frenetic atonal arhythmics, haunting instrumentless console feedback systems, video & still visual loops and dives with electronically generated text poetics. Between sets CD - "Lifeforms" (disk 2) by Future Sound Of London A classic merging of ambient soundscapes, sampling & beats but mainly being played tonight to match up FFOB with FSOL ;) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday April 30th 2002 - ARC and unravelled brown cassette tape lying on a freeway . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances and do visit when you're in Toronto. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 16:47:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32635; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:42:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c1e975$076b4300$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <27E47C06-5566-11D6-B2CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: Compressor/Limiter recommendations Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:42:18 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A hard limiter just before the DAT, set to clamp the signal just before it hits zero might be a good compromise. (I'm afraid that I can't recommend a brand.) Our Tascam DAT has a simple built in limiter and it's saved many a cool improv that would have stepped over the line in live sets. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > I don't know if I'd go so compressor crazy. Dynamic range is your > friend. There are times it's nice for some sounds, but I rarely use a > compressor. I don't like taking that element (dynamic range) away from > my expressive palette. I also would much rather have some noise than > use a noise gate for the same reason. I'll be the one that stops the > note, thank you! > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 01:18 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > I've got three places in my signal chain that could use compressors, > > and I'm > > looking for advice on each of them. > > > > (1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm using the DynaComp > > simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a dedicated > > compressor. > > This is probably the least critical. > > > > (2) Before my EDP. I'd like some protection from overloading the input > > into > > the EDP coming off of my Mackie 1642. I haven't had a lot of trouble > > but I'm > > also just keeping the levels moderately low. My priority on this one is > > higher than the guitar case, but still much lower than the last... > > > > (3) I need a compressor or better yet a compressor and an analog to > > SPDIF > > digital converter to take the mix signal off my Mackier and feed it to > > my > > DAT or my SP-808. Digital distortion stinks and I've been sacrificing > > headroom by just keeping my levels low. I want to be able to set the > > recording levels based on where I seem to be playing while knowing that > > if I > > get louder the signal will get compressed/limited rather than clipped. > > > > Item (3) is the most pressing need. I don't need fancy microphone > > preamps. I > > don't need fancy mastering capabilities though I wouldn't mind them. > > What I > > do need is something that will let me get from analog to digital without > > digital distortion. > > > > I've seen TC Electronic Triple*C's are becoming cheap. Would that be a > > good > > choice? For that matter would the M*One work? Or would I simply be > > moving > > the problem so that I'd be sending a lower level signal to the TC A-D > > converter and then amplifying it digitally in the effects box? > > > > Thanks. > > Mark > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 17:03:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02341; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:02:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:04:21 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006901c1e978$1bd0ca60$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <2bTA_D.A.8j.Ejyw8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > I've got three places in my signal chain that could use compressors, and I'm > looking for advice on each of them. > > (1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm using the DynaComp > simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a dedicated compressor. > This is probably the least critical. I use a DynaComp, I love it. Also check out the Carl Martin comp. Very nice. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 17:29:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03143; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:23:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:23:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Compressor/Limiter recommendations Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:24:12 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c1e97a$e1d81040$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <006901c1e978$1bd0ca60$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have heard this compressor is incredible- http://www.fmraudio.com/overview.html Om -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > I've got three places in my signal chain that could use compressors, and I'm > looking for advice on each of them. > > (1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm using the DynaComp > simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a dedicated compressor. > This is probably the least critical. I use a DynaComp, I love it. Also check out the Carl Martin comp. Very nice. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 18:14:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06231; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC32AC0.3056BAE1@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:10:24 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations References: <004801c1e97a$e1d81040$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep I have it bought it on recomandation of the rec.audio.pro newsgroup very clean very transparent make a search on RNC or Really Nice Compressor and be impressed by the comments and the price 185$ for a quality stereo copm Claude Om_Audio wrote: > > I have heard this compressor is incredible- > http://www.fmraudio.com/overview.html > > Om > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 20:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13622; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 22 Apr 2002 00:29:49 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:29:50 -0700 Subject: FA: Lexicon JamMan, Korg Kaoss Pad, Poly-800 From: Ben Furstenberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone is looking for a JamMan, check this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861615479 Also, a Korg Kaoss Pad: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861625132 and a Korg Poly-800: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861736995 thanks, hope this was of interest, B From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 21:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16675; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:23:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:23:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [211.0.10.74] From: "Jon ......" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Multiple instruments Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:23:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2002 01:23:02.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F559D70:01C1E99C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I am new to this board. My question: I am looking into playing live via a loop effect using a 4 track mixer running guitar, bass, electronic drums, and vocals, all running through the loop effect. I am researching which loop effect would be best for this. So far I have run into the Boss R-C loop station, and the boomerang. Which is better for this application? Also, do I need stereo? I understand that another problem will arise concerning speakers and PA. This is all new to me, so I would appreciate any and all advice. Thanks a lot, Jon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 22:03:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18381; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:57:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sashjo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:56:47 EDT Subject: re: Jamman Memory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone needs Jamman memory upgrades I have some for $40 an upgrade. Please e mail if interested. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 23:17:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23394; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.31.64] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:15:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2002 03:15:36.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8A38530:01C1E9AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have used and demoed and owned (and do own) quite a few compressors; from the lowly dyna comp to Joe Meek to TL Audio Ivory, to a beautiful La2a (my pride and joy!) to Retrospec... There is such a wide range of devices and prices available. The RNC (Real Nice Compressor) is quite a deal, very handy and works great on a wide variety of instruments. Seeing as how it is not full of glass, it would probably be very gig-friendly, too. ART makes a very inexpensive Tube Compressor, The Levelar, which is also very nice...and quite usable. The latest generation of ART mic Pres, The Tube MP Studio, also features a limiter for driving (and protecting) digital equip. This might be handy for protecting your DAT ins. If you are not familiar with compressors, I would suggest not spending a fortune; the RNC and ART stuff will probably do you well. Also, as Mark S. so aptly pointed out...dynamic range IS your friend! Use compression sparingly (certainly some limiting before the signal hits the DAT would be nice...), and the rule of thumb is: "if you can hear the compressor working, you are applying too much compression" Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 21 23:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23975; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:37:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:37:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: EDP4 Report Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:25:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well? Give it up :-) _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 00:03:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24732; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:57:47 -0700 Subject: OT Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/21/02 8:15 PM, max valentino at ekstasis1@hotmail.com wrote: > If you are not familiar with compressors, I would suggest not spending a > fortune; the RNC and ART stuff will probably do you well. Also, as Mark S. > so aptly pointed out...dynamic range IS your friend! Use compression > sparingly (certainly some limiting before the signal hits the DAT would be > nice...), and the rule of thumb is: "if you can hear the compressor working, > you are applying too much compression" I definitely appreciate the value of dynamic range. I probably should have expressed this more as a search for a good limiter so that I can run my signal reasonably hot without worrying about digital clipping if I get a bit louder in spots. The RNC gets lots of good reviews but seems mostly to be a compressor. Any limiter specific recommendations? I take it that the ART Tube MP is a reasonable option? Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 00:04:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24502; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:52:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:52:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:52:13 -0700 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: EDP4 Report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.1 (Blindsider) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah! Where's the goods! 8:25 PM Neil Goldstein >Well? Give it up :-) > > > > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ > _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ >_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 00:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27595; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:15:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020422041434.53788.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: Compressor/Limiter recommendations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've got three places in my signal chain that could > use compressors, and I'm > looking for advice on each of them. > > (1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm > using the DynaComp > simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a > dedicated compressor. > This is probably the least critical. The Akai HexaComp has been getting good reviews over on the Harmony Central effects forum. Musicians Friend has a very good price on them. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=020420233707216078032182025511/search/g=home/detail/base_id/59776 John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 01:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29981; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:57:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:57:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:57:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Multiple instruments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6DCC57CD-55AD-11D6-B2CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA29947 Resent-Message-ID: <3aE1cB.A.KUH.xg5w8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if you've got a mixer, you can plug as many instruments into a looper as you have imputs for, but if you're looking for each instrument to have it's own track, then I don't think there's anything out there other than the Repeater for that. Unless you'd like to have multiple synched Echoplexes. The Echoplex is mono, as is the Repeater if you're using each track separately, or you can choose to use tracks in two stereo pairs, as I do. The great thing about the Echoplex and the Repeater is they will synch to MIDI, very nice if you're working with sequencers/drum machines/computers. Lot's more on the LD site. (see tools of the trade) Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 06:23 PM, Jon ...... wrote: > > Hello, > > I am new to this board. > > My question: > > I am looking into playing live via a loop effect using a 4 track mixer > running guitar, bass, electronic drums, and vocals, all running through > the loop effect. > > I am researching which loop effect would be best for this. So far I > have run into the Boss R-C loop station, and the boomerang. Which is > better for this application? > > Also, do I need stereo? I understand that another problem will arise > concerning speakers and PA. > > This is all new to me, so I would appreciate any and all advice. > > Thanks a lot, > > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 02:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03556; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:50:51 -0700 Subject: Re: emmersive sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <49018854-55BD-11D6-B2CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's an idea I had a while ago, but never attempted. It's on my list... Here it goes: Have a show where the stipulation is you have to bring an FM walkman of some type. Boombox with headphones would be OK too. Anyway, get an FM transmitter (you can get low powered ones at Radio Shack and beef them up. Don't tell the FCC I told you) Pick an unused Fq and do an outdoor show totally sans amps/PA. How about that for emersive? Mark On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 01:25 PM, Qua and Vishara Veda wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions so far on creating emmersive sound at low-mid > vol.levels, in a small environment. > > BTW, I'm currently using two mackie SRM450's. They are very > ergonomic, and > sound really great from 20+ feet away. I haven't given up on them, but > they > don't give me 'emmersive' sound I'm looking for in a small environment. > The > larger mackie powered PAs (2-way and 3way) sound significantly better!, > but > maybe overkill for small rooms. Mid-field studio monitors might work > with > subs. I'm also considering boutique amp/cabinets, which sound more > open > and have better bass in the mid-field than the SRM450s. > > Do you think that 2-4 high quality, small cabs(or powered PAs) > dispersed in > the room, plus sub(s) may be the best way to give the audience a sense > of > being enveloped in sound, even at quiet levels they can talk over? > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: SV: emmersive sound > > >> Fran: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > >> One of the best shows I've ever played was a private little "chill >> rave" >> called WOOM. It was great because they had really nice Mackie > monitors.... // > >> Mark Sottilaro > > > Mark, > > Was this the Mackie HR824 you were testing? I've been thinking about > them as > studio monitors and I'm wondering if they could also do the job live, > together with a sub woofer? For small looping gigs in a chilled out > environment that is. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > http://loopboy.tk > www.boysen.se > www.upsweden.com > www.fuzz.se > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 03:08:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05142; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422000211.0540ee88@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:02:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Fwd from Paul Dresher: Sound Stage in San Francisco, April 17-28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, the following is from Paul Dresher, well-known composer and looper and occasional LD member. The piece he is performing here employs three EDP's, which he doesn't mention in the blurb below. It is a rare opportunity to see Paul doing his looping, so if you are in the area you may want to try to attend. sorry I didn't forward it sooner, but I was a little preoccupied lately and rather forgot myself! But there are shows April 25-28, which I'm hoping to make it to. kim >RE: Sound Stage in San Francisco, April 17-28 > >Friends: > >Please forgive this intrusive non-personal e-mail but as usual of late >around here, we've not gotten any press support for this upcoming event so >I'm resorting to this e-mail to help get the word out, in case you haven't >received a mailer or other form of communication about Sound Stage. Below >is the information about our upcoming performances in San Francisco. > >I started working on this piece back in 1996 and finally premiered it last >summer in Minneapolis. In it I've tried to combine all the threads of my >music-making background: experimental opera/music theater, chamber music, >musical instrument invention, and electro-acoustic music. I think we've >made some very unusual in this collaborative process and I hope you'll >consider coming. Surprisingly, it's also a program that is good for kids >and families, particularly the Sunday afternoon matinees, when we will do a >shorter version of the piece and also invite the audience up on stage to >play the instruments after the show. If you want to check out somepictures >and sound on the piece, check our web site at: > >www.dresherensemble.org > >Thanks, > >Paul Dresher > >Press Release: > >THE PAUL DRESHER ENSEMBLE >Presents the Bay Area Premiere of >S O U N D S T A G E > >Conceived and composed by Paul Dresher >Text and Direction by Rinde Eckert >Instruments designed and built by Daniel Schmidt and Paul Dresher >Lighting and Visual Design by Alex Nichols >Sound Design by Greg Kuhn >Performed by Paul Dresher and the Minneapolis-based new music ensemble >Zeitgeist > >April 17 - 28, 2002 at Yerba Buena Center for the Arts Forum, >701 Mission St, San Francisco > >Tickets: 415/978-2787 > >April 17-20 & April 25-27 8PM >Special Family Matinees Sunday April 21 & 28th at 2 PM > > > " Forget the drum circle, forget the hurdy-gurdy. This beats them >all ... It's a musical jungle gym - every square inch playable ... 80 >minutes of non-stop performance ... Works such as this are the future of >the arts: a cross-pollination of music, visual art and theater limited only >by the imagination." Minneapolis Star Tribune > >SAN FRANCISCO, Feb. 21, 2002-Sound Stage, an extraordinary new work that >explores the means and meaning of music making, will be presented by the >Paul Dresher Ensemble in its Bay Area premiere at The Forum at Yerba Buena >Center for the Arts from Wed., April 17 - 28, 2002. Conceived and composed >by Paul Dresher with direction and text by Rinde Eckert, Sound Stage is >performed by Dresher and the members of the Minneapolis-based new music >ensemble, Zeitgeist. > > Sound Stage was commissioned by Zeitgeist, the Walker Art Center, >and Helena Presents, and the highly-acclaimed World Premiere was given in >Minneapolis in June, 2001. The piece takes audiences on a journey through >new sounds and sights, traditional instrumental virtuosity, deadpan >physical humor, vivid lighting design and a spare text that finds the >poetry in physics and the mystery in music's emotional power. > > The elegant visual centerpiece of the work designed and constructed >by Dresher and Daniel Schmidt, is a 17 1/2 foot rolling A-frame with two 17 >foot pendulums swinging on either side. Every surface of this extraordinary >creation produces sound, and the performers can move both within and >without, playing a variety of new and traditional instruments. > >At the end of the 80-minute performance, the audience is welcomed on the >stage to explore the instruments with the assistance of the designers and >performers, creating their own music in an impromptu musical playground for >both children and adults. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 04:17:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09329; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: emmersive sound Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:11:18 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49018854-55BD-11D6-B2CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Fran: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Here's an idea I had a while ago, but never attempted. It's on my > list... > > Here it goes: Have a show where the stipulation is you have to bring an > FM walkman of some type. Boombox with headphones would be OK too. > Anyway, get an FM transmitter (you can get low powered ones at Radio > Shack and beef them up. Don't tell the FCC I told you) Pick an unused > Fq and do an outdoor show totally sans amps/PA. > > How about that for emersive? Interesting thread, really :-) Here's an old whish I have had for a while but never been able to test with a live performance: Get a couple of PA systems for the show - two, three or four. Set up one as usual, on the stage fronting the audience. Set up another at the back of the venue. Maybe use different systems for the sides as well. Then time delay the systems musically, by some note value, with delay units onstage that the musicians control. In my vision this would transform the venue into some sort of "surround delay groove chamber". Each sound would bounce around 360 degrees or more, depending on feedback settings. > > How about that for emersive? ;-))) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 10:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28448; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:04:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020422140307.19696.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Multiple instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the repeater made by electrix actually has 4 independent tracks to loop on (unfortunately, they all share the same loop - meaning that once a timed loop is set, it is set...but you have the freedom to have 4 separate tracks to mess with on that loop)...it goes for just under double the price of the rc-20 and from the comments on this list, you'll see that most people look at the boss as a nice introductory looper. but when you are spending over two hundred dollars on a piece of equipment, the question to ask yourself is do you really want to spend that kind of cash for something that will most likely not fit your needs or that you'll grow out of quickly? the rc-20 is fun (i owned one myself for about a month), but it just doesn't provide the kind of control that most people who are looking to use a looping device in a practical situation really need. if you search the archives of this list, within the past week or two, there were a slew of reviews on the rc-20 which discuss its advantages and its many shortcomings in the spectrum of this kind of gear. the looper's delight page has a link to search the archives... good luck, but remember, for the most part, you get what you pay for...and i believe that the rc-20 is the most 'affordable' looper out there...so draw your own conclusions (that statement was made anticipating the amount of bashing that can go along with a generalization like that - but please spare the list and myself the arguing - we've had enough of it lately). spool, e va n --- "Jon ......" wrote: > > Hello, > > I am new to this board. > > My question: > > I am looking into playing live via a loop effect > using a 4 track mixer > running guitar, bass, electronic drums, and vocals, > all running through the > loop effect. > > I am researching which loop effect would be best for > this. So far I have run > into the Boss R-C loop station, and the boomerang. > Which is better for this > application? > > Also, do I need stereo? I understand that another > problem will arise > concerning speakers and PA. > > This is all new to me, so I would appreciate any and > all advice. > > Thanks a lot, > > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 10:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28203; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Compressor/Limiter recommendations Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:01:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or the classic MXR which has never let me down, but does seem to color the sound a bit. I like it overall. -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Compressor/Limiter recommendations --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've got three places in my signal chain that could > use compressors, and I'm > looking for advice on each of them. > > (1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm > using the DynaComp > simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a > dedicated compressor. > This is probably the least critical. The Akai HexaComp has been getting good reviews over on the Harmony Central effects forum. Musicians Friend has a very good price on them. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=020420233707216078032182025511/searc h/g=home/detail/base_id/59776 John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 10:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29082; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:12:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:12:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: , Subject: RE: emmersive sound Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:11:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, these are some great ideas. Thanks! I like Per's "surround delay groove chamber" idea! But I don't understand how to delay by note value. Can you elaborate? My current thinking: 2 mains, and 2(equal or smaller)spkrs placed to the sides or behind the audience. Add a sub in there somewhere. The 'rear' speakers would carry the same mix as the front but at lower volume and with some reverb, or a short delay , or both. So that anything that is played, looped etc, would surround listener, yet still be intelligble. Think this approach would work? I guess this is kind of similar to surround sound, or 5.1 . Perhaps using a surround processor could help, but I'm not familiar with them, or how you might simulate multi-channel from a stereo source. Naturally, I'd like to keep the cost down and have reasonable portability. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SV: emmersive sound Interesting thread, really :-) Here's an old whish I have had for a while but never been able to test with a live performance: Get a couple of PA systems for the show - two, three or four. Set up one as usual, on the stage fronting the audience. Set up another at the back of the venue. Maybe use different systems for the sides as well. Then time delay the systems musically, by some note value, with delay units onstage that the musicians control. In my vision this would transform the venue into some sort of "surround delay groove chamber". Each sound would bounce around 360 degrees or more, depending on feedback settings. > > How about that for emersive? ;-))) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ http://loopboy.tk www.boysen.se www.upsweden.com www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 10:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30028; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:29:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:29:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: myoder@dusty.tamiu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:27:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Yoder Subject: Re: OT: Compressor/Limiter recommendations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg asks. . . >I've got three places in my signal chain that could use compressors, and I'm >looking for advice on each of them. > >(1) Directly off my electric guitar. Right now I'm using the DynaComp >simulation on the Line6 DM4 but I'm thinking about a dedicated compressor. >This is probably the least critical. Directly off the guitar, without first going through a preamp? Probably a Dynacomp. If it's post-preamp, then the ART Levelar. > >(2) Before my EDP. I'd like some protection from overloading the input into >the EDP coming off of my Mackie 1642. I haven't had a lot of trouble but I'm >also just keeping the levels moderately low. My priority on this one is >higher than the guitar case, but still much lower than the last... DBX 166XL is a great buy. Excellent sound. > >(3) I need a compressor to take the mix signal off my Mackier and >feed it to my DAT or my SP-808. Digital distortion stinks and I've >been sacrificing headroom by just keeping my levels low. Well, I really don't believe your headroom concern is warranted. Not in digital recordings. I seriously doubt anyone can hear noise in a digital recording that's, say, -10 or -12 decibels, or even -16, compared to something where the highest transient peak is exactly at 0 or -1. I've never, ever found that to be an issue. Now, if you experience something like, say, a horn player who moves with respect to the position of the microphone and causes unanticipated peaks, then that's a different story (limiting is the issue): I would try the ART Tube PAC, which is a preamp and Levelar in one unit. GREAT sound, and cheap! I use one for mic'ing my trumpet player, and I use it as a preamp for my Zeta electric upright bass. If you don't buy my argument and just *HAVE* to limit before DAT, again the DBX 166XL is a good buy. > I >don't need fancy mastering capabilities. AMEN TO THAT!!! That's the Manfred Eicher philosophy. Let the final mix "flow" without additional artificialities in the dynamics. You already will have been using enough compression and/or limiting in steps 1-3 above. Let your ears decide what the final mix levels for each song should be. Michael -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael S. 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Click here: Guyatone: Micro Effects --part1_28.2565cdbc.29f58ea7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 17:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11982; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:33:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:33:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020422213222.70417.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_6aIBB.A.h5C.pFIx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > I definitely appreciate the value of dynamic range. I probably should > have > expressed this more as a search for a good limiter so that I can run > my > signal reasonably hot without worrying about digital clipping if I > get a bit louder in spots. I have constant problems with levels getting whacked out in my looping rig. It seems that the nature of stacking layers in delays just naturally builds up the levels and it's hard to keep things even and under control. I'm not using any compression right now (beyond what I start with on my guitar signal), but I may think about it at some point. > The RNC gets lots of good reviews but seems mostly to be a > compressor. Any limiter specific recommendations? The RNC will work just fine as a limiter. A limiter's just a compressor with a high ratio and a fast response. The RNC has the fastest attack time I've seen on a compressor (not always a good thing...). I have a couple of them in my studio and they're nice when you need to get levels under control without hearing 'em. Sure you can MAKE 'em pump, if that's what you're after, but it's harder then with a lot of compressors. > I take it that the ART Tube MP is a reasonable option? It wouldn't be my first choice...but that's primarily just based on my experience with other ART gear and a few tracks I've heard here and there that used them (which weren't recorded when I could see/hear how they were done, so this may be unfair). Personally, I'd avoid the dbx compressors unless you want your sound colored like a dbx. They have a definite sound and you may not want that. Oh yeah, and forget the dbxes if you want to run it at instrument level, they're too noisy. For transparent line level compression, the RNC is hard to beat for the price. If you want to spend more and get a more flexable unit, the Empirical Labs Distressor is a great sounding studio compressor that can emulate many classic units costing much more. It's mono, so if you want stereo you have to buy two. Line level only. For a compressor of it's calibre, it's really a pretty good value too. It sounds like you have two applications in mind. First, the guitar (instrument) compressor to shape your sound, and second some transparent limiters to give you more freedom from level problems while you're perform (probably line level). I haven't found a guitar compressor I totally like yet. I used a Boss CS-3 for awhile and regardless of where you set the knobs, it accentuates the inital attack more then I like. I want the sustain without the attack and I could never get that from this box. That said, a lot of people love these. For that clean country solo sound, this is it. If you want to talk offline, I have a couple of Symetrix compressors that I'd like to sell. Rack mount (1u), line level, stereo or dual mono, real power supplies (no warts). They're more transparent then a dbx, somewhat less so then an RNC. Overall, I think they sound pretty good. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 18:52:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17297; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:51:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c1ea4f$d45daf30$cb68fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020422213222.70417.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: loop mud (was Re: OT Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:48:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com apart from level management, i've also found it difficult at times to manage mud in loops once you start layering. especially when looping the same instrument, or in my case at least, percussion sounds that have a bit too much frequency overlap. there's tried and true techniques like less-is-more/silence-is-your-friend, and cleaning the palette/fading out elements over time of course. thoughts? particuarily interested in what the bass loopers have to say, since i imagine that they encounter this early on. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: Re: OT Re: Compressor/Limiter recommendations > --- Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > I definitely appreciate the value of dynamic range. I probably should > > have > > expressed this more as a search for a good limiter so that I can run > > my > > signal reasonably hot without worrying about digital clipping if I > > get a bit louder in spots. > > I have constant problems with levels getting whacked out in my looping > rig. It seems that the nature of stacking layers in delays just > naturally builds up the levels and it's hard to keep things even and > under control. I'm not using any compression right now (beyond what I > start with on my guitar signal), but I may think about it at some > point. > > > The RNC gets lots of good reviews but seems mostly to be a > > compressor. Any limiter specific recommendations? > > The RNC will work just fine as a limiter. A limiter's just a compressor > with a high ratio and a fast response. The RNC has the fastest attack > time I've seen on a compressor (not always a good thing...). I > have a couple of them in my studio and they're nice when you need to > get levels under control without hearing 'em. Sure you can MAKE 'em > pump, if that's what you're after, but it's harder then with a lot of > compressors. > > > I take it that the ART Tube MP is a reasonable option? > > It wouldn't be my first choice...but that's primarily just based on my > experience with other ART gear and a few tracks I've heard here and > there that used them (which weren't recorded when I could see/hear how > they were done, so this may be unfair). > > Personally, I'd avoid the dbx compressors unless you want your sound > colored like a dbx. They have a definite sound and you may not want > that. Oh yeah, and forget the dbxes if you want to run it at instrument > level, they're too noisy. > > For transparent line level compression, the RNC is hard to beat for the > price. If you want to spend more and get a more flexable unit, the > Empirical Labs Distressor is a great sounding studio compressor that > can emulate many classic units costing much more. It's mono, so if you > want stereo you have to buy two. Line level only. For a compressor of > it's calibre, it's really a pretty good value too. > > It sounds like you have two applications in mind. First, the guitar > (instrument) compressor to shape your sound, and second some > transparent limiters to give you more freedom from level problems while > you're perform (probably line level). > > I haven't found a guitar compressor I totally like yet. I used a Boss > CS-3 for awhile and regardless of where you set the knobs, it > accentuates the inital attack more then I like. I want the sustain > without the attack and I could never get that from this box. That said, > a lot of people love these. For that clean country solo sound, this is > it. > > If you want to talk offline, I have a couple of Symetrix compressors > that I'd like to sell. Rack mount (1u), line level, stereo or dual > mono, real power supplies (no warts). They're more transparent then a > dbx, somewhat less so then an RNC. Overall, I think they sound pretty > good. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 19:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20441; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ehdanilo@pop.erdbeerhund.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:22:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Danilo Rometsch Subject: german dummy: echoplex discontinued? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I am a poor dummy from germany and I am waiting for the arrival of the gibson echoplex digital pro for a horribly long time now. But it does not come. Is it true that gibson discontinues the production of the EPD? Can anyone tell me if 480 english pounds is a good price for the EPD and the floorboard? Thank you for your help! -- _________________________________ funky jazzy Pop'N'Groove: MISSIS RAINTOWN missis@missisraintown.com www.missisraintown.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 20:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23627; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:09:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1ea5b$336587e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1EA20.8706AFE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1EA20.8706AFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My friend loaned me Tom Heasley=92s cd =96 wonderful stuff! 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1EA20.8706AFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 20:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25832; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "allison carvalho" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new to list- repeater question Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:49:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2002 00:49:03.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA5F8030:01C1EA60] Resent-Message-ID: <7gONN.A.4SG.e-Kx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone, I've been thinking about getting into looping and it looks like from what I read, the repeater seems to be the device I would probably want the most (stereo, multiple tracks, pitch shift, etc). I have one question about it. I noticed when it was being reviewed by members on this list that some people complained about the fact that it was difficult to do ambient loops because of a "bump" in the sound. After reading some more posts, it seemed that some could fix it- but others disagreed with the approaches taken. So my question- is the repeater capable of creating seemless loops live? I would like to do ambient looping in stereo. Thanks for any help Alli _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 21:02:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27702; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423010039.12044.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: new to list- repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So my question- is the repeater capable of creating > seemless loops live? I > would like to do ambient looping in stereo. 100% yes...at times, i get a bump in my loops, but those go away with practice... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 21:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28709; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:21:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:21:17 -0500 Subject: Re: german dummy: echoplex discontinued? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gibson spokesperson/somebody who builds them claims they are still in production, or at least there are some being built by said "somebody"... alto music claims they bought the last batch... check the archives for the long story. you can get edp's new in the u.s. for about 750 (footcontroller included), so whatever the conversion rate is, just do the math to come up with the english pound cost. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 22 23:03:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04304; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:02:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:02:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423030124.83102.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: compressor suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204230010.UAA23818@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone using the presonus bluemax? where in the signal path? what are yer thoughts? quality for the price? be well, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 00:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08016; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:03:46 -0700 Subject: Tom Heasley's CD From: Mark Hamburg To: , Om_Audio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c1ea5b$336587e0$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA07955 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I concur. Tom's CD is absolutely gorgeous. Mark on 4/22/02 5:09 PM, Om_Audio at Om-Studios@Om-Studios.com wrote: > My friend loaned me Tom Heasley¹s cd ­ wonderful stuff! Thanks Tom. Nice to > have music to breathe/think/daydream to. > > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 01:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11682; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:11:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:11:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:13:30 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Tom Heasley's CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Om_Audio Message-id: <009001c1ea85$9b988ae0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <68Afv.A.T0C.fzOx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" > I concur. Tom's CD is absolutely gorgeous. > > Mark > > on 4/22/02 5:09 PM, Om_Audio at Om-Studios@Om-Studios.com wrote: > > > My friend loaned me Tom Heasley¹s cd ­ wonderful stuff! Thanks Tom. Nice to > > have music to breathe/think/daydream to. as I got this message, I just happened to be listening to this disk, stunning... Tom *get's it*. He totally understands what it takes to make amibent work. Here's the part where I get down on my knees and chant "I'm not worthy..." many times.... I'm looking forward to the next one. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 01:59:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13125; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:58:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:58:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:56:18 -0400 From: skincage Subject: akai headrush To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <006201c1ea8b$96d3c820$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my adaptor's being wonky, is there a standard akai wall wart or can i get away with some radio shack thing? thanks! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 02:06:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14555; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:00:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC4F7DB.4F6F11D@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:57:46 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Los Angeles Gig Spam, featuring EDP LoopIV and Ableton Live looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo list, Two gigs coming up next week: Monday, April 29 Knitting Factory Hollywood/Alterknit Lounge 8:00 PM $7:00 tickets I'll be playing solo, opening for Warr guitar wild-man Brian Kenny Fresno: http://www.bonghitrecords.com Will my EDP footpedal insert button explode? Will I find a PMC 10 in Appalachia for a ridiculously cheap price? Will it arrive in time for the show? Will I become the punch-line of one of Brian's infamously hilarious songs? Tune in next Monday for the edge-of-your-seat excitement. Thuday, May 2 California Institute of the Arts, Santa Clarita Integrated Media Show This will be a duo show with my partner-in-looping crime Eric Oberthaler: http://www.soundsliketree.com http://www.altruistmusic.com/archive/rmx.html In addition to our standard EDP duet work, Eric has recently dived head-first into the deep end of Ableton's Live software, which he'll be running off of a laptop. Both of us will have EDP's integrated into the system as well. I have no idea what it'll sound like. I don't have a lot of details on this one yet, but I know it'll be an all-evening event with numerous displays of various projects from the Integrated Media program at CalArts, my alma mater. In addition to our "strict" set, Eric will probably be presenting some quasi-DJ music between events, and I may be roped into that as well. Feel free to drop Eric an email at eobe@shoko.calarts.edu for more info on this gig, and I'll spam you all with details as I become aware of them. For those interested, both gigs will feature the 1.0 version of LoopIV, and will likely lean heavily on such new favorites as Stutter mode, Flip mode, 8th/beat quantization, and the "sus" insert/multiply setting... C ya, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 02:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15547; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c1ea8e$5c101ce0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <009001c1ea85$9b988ae0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Tom Heasley's CD Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:16:09 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know if you've seen the nice shots of Tom when he played here last fall... http://www.theambientping.com/apo_270901.html Just uploaded Robert Rich live photos from a few weeks ago too. http://www.theambientping.com/robert_rich_070402.html Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > as I got this message, I just happened to be listening to this disk, > stunning... > Tom *get's it*. He totally understands what it takes to make > amibent work. > > Here's the part where I get down on my knees and chant "I'm not worthy..." > many times.... I'm looking forward to the next one. > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 09:03:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07346; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "CT-Collective" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: shameless ... Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:17:37 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... self-promotion: I've put together 7 of my favorite pieces (some loop-based, some not) and made a little showcase on mp3.com ... I'd appreciate your comments and feedback ... = michael peters = http://www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 10:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13628; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:29:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:29:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: new to list- repeater question Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:28:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is it a technique? I get the bump with the RC-20 which I thought was a shortcoming of the machine, but if there are tips, I'd love to learn :) -----Original Message----- From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new to list- repeater question > So my question- is the repeater capable of creating > seemless loops live? I > would like to do ambient looping in stereo. 100% yes...at times, i get a bump in my loops, but those go away with practice... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 10:34:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14093; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:32:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: akai headrush Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:32:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAD3.A656A5E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAD3.A656A5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Adaptors sold by companies are a total ripoff. Just find the specs (volts, polarity, min Amps (more is OK, less is no good)) and go to radio shack or re-use another adaptor you already have. you can probably go to chinatown and get one for less than half of The Shack which is still less than half of what Akai will charge you. Not a bad idea to bring the pedal with you to make sure the wart male will fit in the female. Ben -----Original Message----- From: skincage [mailto:skincage@infin8ty.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: akai headrush my adaptor's being wonky, is there a standard akai wall wart or can i get away with some radio shack thing? thanks! Jon ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAD3.A656A5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: akai headrush

Adaptors sold by companies are a total ripoff. Just = find the specs (volts, polarity, min Amps (more is OK, less is no = good)) and go to radio shack or re-use another adaptor you already = have.

you can probably go to chinatown and get one for less = than half of The Shack which is still less than half of what Akai will = charge you.

Not a bad idea to bring the pedal with you to make = sure the wart male will fit in the female.

Ben

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my adaptor's being wonky, is there a standard akai = wall wart or can i get away with some
radio shack thing?

thanks!

Jon

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAD3.A656A5E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 10:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14543; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c1ead5$4d6b5d20$eb168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers" , "Qua and Vishara Veda" Subject: Re: emmersive sound Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:43:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >But I don't understand how to delay by note value. Can >you elaborate? Assume a delay of 1600ms will equal one measure of 4/4 time. Then 400ms will equal one quarter note. There are 60,000ms in one minute, so 60,000 divided by 400 = 150 quarter notes (beats) per minute. There's your groove. Set one delay for 400ms and another for 1600. One-beat delays lock in with one-measure delays. Now let's get funky. Any 100ms subdivision of 1600 will equal an even sixteenth note subdivision of the four-beat measure. Try 1200ms with 1600ms for a cycling three-with-four. Try 1000ms with 1600ms for a cycling five-with-eight. The only problem with setting up this kind of surround-sound delay is the time lag introduced by sound through air. I don't know the formula offhand, but after about two hundred feet, it is signifigant. At the Watkins Glen concert in upstate New York (early 1970's, 600,000-plus people) the sound techs introduced a time-delayed signal to the towers of speakers radiating from the stage so that it would roughly reinforce the stage sound as it plowed through the humid summer air. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-in-residence dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 10:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15166; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:53:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423145213.1210.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Michael LaMeyer , loopy In-Reply-To: <000b01c1ea7c$43a537b0$cb68fea9@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_xP2eB.A.crD.oUXx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know exactly what you mean. i'm still fairly new to this kind of equipment as well and love hearing the input that this list has to offer. i spent about 10 years as JUST a bassist (or as frank zappa puts it - a composer whose main instrument of composition happens to be bass)...sure i spent some money on some gear that seemed good at the time, but never really got into the nitty gritty of what it was all about and what you can actually do with this stuff (and in turn, had several pieces of crap in my rig that i barely used and barely got beyond facotry installed presets). i've taken midi classes and gotten in and out of caring about it, but now i've come to a point where it is the next logical step (to start embracing the technology available to musicians as opposed to scoffing at it as i had done in the past). i've started checking out people using the gear and i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan to attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and the main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung musicians who use the gear is the lack of musicality. to me, it seems that people are more concerned with what gear they have then the actual sounds that they are producing and this is pretty upsetting to me, because i was under the impression that this was all about using the tools available to get the sounds in our collective heads out to the public (although i guess the sound in some folks' head is just chaotic loops). obviously, there are a bunch of people doing mind boggling things with this gear, but the majority of what i have seen is people getting wrapped up in turning nobs and pushing buttons...not even taking the gear out to what it is capable of. the big problem with equipment like this and my major former gripe about technological advancements in musical equipment is that the basic functions of these tools can make anybody sound pretty good. the problem with that is that people tend to shy away from digging deeper into the power of these tools and are satisfied with its basic features. an echoplex and a repeater are not just tools, they are actual instruments and when used properly or perhaps i should say creatively, they can really expand your capabilities as a live and studio musician. i probably would have been better off not saying anything...especially since with my comments, i was more pushing my views and goals in your and other list members' directions, but i just don't buy into the whole fix a limitation with one piece of gear with another. to some people, a guitar is just something to strum chords on and the only way to do something unique is to add effects, but pioneers like hendrix showed us that there are not limits to the sounds that one can create with just a guitar. just trying to offer some of my personal feelings on the subject, and again, this is just how i feel...i do understand the addiction associated with gear acquisition (and battle it myself to a degree), but for a group like this who uses this cutting edge technology to create music, i'd like to hear more people doing ground breaking stuff...and maybe i haven't been exposed to enough music that is being created by members of this list, but i've checked out a bunch of links to list members' music and seen some of the gear in action and most of what i've heard can easily be done without this gear and with just more focus on the actual instrument going through the gear. anyone care to share their views on the age old (for me at least) debate of musicality vs. equipment? loopfully yours, e va n|s sa b --- Michael LaMeyer wrote: > understood! i'm not really looking for sure cures, > one right > way, or anything like that. i was really just > asking to get a > diversity of ideas, in whatever context people feel > like talking > about. i understand that compensatation for > limitations is a > part of anything we do, but how various people > compensate with > their own systems is what interests me. > > taking your example, i compensate when looping my > wavedrum by > varying tones, usually a boomy one, a middy one, and > a really > snappy or belly one work well enough together, > although i can > still bury things this way, i learn what works well > together. > it's very subjective and all that. > > thanks! > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > To: "Michael LaMeyer" > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: loop mud > > > > > > as with all things, it really depends on what you > are > > trying to do. as a bassist who loops, i tend to > try > > and vary the sounds of my loops by playing them in > > different registers, throwing effects on certain > loops > > and even changing the style that i'm playing to > > produce different sounds. instruments are very > > versatile things and learning how to play any > > instrument, including machines (which i view as > > instruments since there is certainly a connection > > between creative and technical aspects when using > > them), involves learning about the actual sounds > that > > you can create from them. for example, from a > bass, i > > can play slap, finger style, tap amoung other > various > > techniques to produce sound...and within these > > different styles, i can play in different > positions > > and alter certain things about my fretting hand to > > create slight nuances in my overall sound. all of > > things add up to create unique tones for looping. > > > > to me, it is very important to have my loops not > get > > lost in the mud. even when playing with a rhodes > or > > some synth patches, i find that my frequency gets > > stolen, but rather then get lost in the mix, you > learn > > ways to keep your ideas flowing without trading > the > > integrity of your ideas or having them mesh into a > > glob of sound. obviously, the decision is yours > for > > how you want to handle this problem, but rather > than > > getting new equipment to cover for the > shortcomings of > > the original equipment/instrument, you can take > the > > steps to adjusting your playing to meet your needs > > (and you'll probably walk away a better musician > for > > it). which brings up that age old question, > was/is > > michael jordan really that good at basketball, or > is > > it really what's in the shoes? > > > > are we musicians or are we engineers? > > (although, if memory serves correctly, i think a > > little of both for many of you guys), > > > > as always, > > e va n > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 11:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17863; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:31:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:33:07 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Michael LaMeyer Message-id: <008001c1eadc$2b090280$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020423145213.1210.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > i've started checking out people using the gear and > i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan to > attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and the > main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung > musicians who use the gear is the lack of musicality. Unfortunately I'll be out of town and can't check you out strutting your stuff @ open loop till 5/11. Let's see how f*cking talented you are after playing bass for 10 years. Bring a fretless bass Jaco. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 11:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19298; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:56:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <008001c1eadc$2b090280$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6C8d0C.A.-rE.tQYx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OOh boy, flame wars! I will always remember Steve Lawson's advice about learning all the capabilities of one piece of gear before adding another--let's see him do that now that he's using an Echoplex--and then let's give him the Loop IV upgrade! But in all seriousness, it is tough to do everything all at once--and if you know your instrument well, you can focus more on the other gear. Perhaps that is what you perceived. It is difficult to believe that David (just for one) is unmusical. OTOH, it's all about what you like! Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Michael LaMeyer Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > i've started checking out people using the gear and > i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan to > attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and the > main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung > musicians who use the gear is the lack of musicality. Unfortunately I'll be out of town and can't check you out strutting your stuff @ open loop till 5/11. Let's see how f*cking talented you are after playing bass for 10 years. Bring a fretless bass Jaco. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 12:01:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20762; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:00:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423155133.77633.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: new to list- repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the only bumps that you could be encountering (which i've seen people questioning concerning the repeater and other loop devices) are those of your own foot stomping. here's a test for you to try to see if you still get the bumps...play a single note and let it ring out...while it is ringing, step on the switch to record your loop...then, while it is still ringing, press the switch that starts looping the loop...if you hear a bump, then it could just be that your rc-20 is messed up or the rc-20's in general are messed up what you should hear after creating that loop is just a single note droning in the background, looping, but not altering its sound in any way...let the note ring a bit before starting to record the loop so that you won't have a bump due to volume levels as your sustained note dies out. i would try this creating a second or two long loop and then again perhaps with one a bit longer...post your results to the list or at least send them to me as i'm curious with what result you'll have. when i was playing with an rc-20 my only complaints were the lack of syncability and tempo change and other key features...but i never experienced any problems with bumps in the recording, but have experienced bumps in loop creation by starting or ending the loops at the wrong time. like i said, it comes with practice. hope that helps, e va n|s sa b evanmeyers@yahoo.com --- "Reid, Benjamin" wrote: > is it a technique? I get the bump with the RC-20 > which I thought was a > shortcoming of the machine, but if there are tips, > I'd love to learn :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new to list- repeater question > > > > So my question- is the repeater capable of > creating > > seemless loops live? I > > would like to do ambient looping in stereo. > > 100% yes...at times, i get a bump in my loops, but > those go away with practice... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 12:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22156; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Steve Lawson" To: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:21:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Message-ID: <3CC59819.10512.4D1FB3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 23 Apr 2002 at 8:56, Gary Lehmann wrote: > OOh boy, flame wars! > I will always remember Steve Lawson's advice about learning all the > capabilities of one piece of gear before adding another--let's see him do > that now that he's using an Echoplex--and then let's give him the Loop IV > upgrade! I'm having a heck of a lot of fun with the Echoplex - investigating functions, working through the ramifications for my music of using any of them, incorporating some and ignoring others... I had all the material for my new solo CD together until I got this thing, and now have some more recording to do... :o) I'm learning it, and am not adding anything new for a while...! Loop III is quite enough for the S'man's down-homey loopaliciousness right now... :o) BTW - thanks to all those of you who advance-ordered my new CD - it's out now, and all the advance orders have been sent, so do let me know when you get it and feel free to post reviews here... :o) For those of you that haven't got it yet, you can listen to sound clips and order it from my website. It's called 'Conversations' and is a duo CD with the fabulous british jazz pianist Jez Carr... there's a review on the 'conversations' page from Andre as well... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 12:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22827; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:27:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:27:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423162125.85205.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008001c1eadc$2b090280$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > i've started checking out people using the gear > and > > i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan > to > > attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and > the > > main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung > > musicians who use the gear is the lack of > musicality. > > Unfortunately I'll be out of town and can't check > you out strutting your stuff @ open loop till 5/11. > Let's see how f*cking talented you are after playing > bass > for 10 years. Bring a fretless bass Jaco. okay, i never claimed to be jaco or even the second coming of jaco...if you read my post you would clearly see that my complaint was not that loopers can't play their instruments, but rather, what i've seen and heard (which by no means represents the looping population) is more of people turning nobs and pushing buttons and not making music (which i guess the definition of music can be interpretted differently by everyone)...i've also seen some people doing some pretty sick stuff with these devices and i even spoke to those individuals at the open loop to get a bit of insight on exactly what they are doing and how they are doing it...but as someone trying to learn about this stuff...entering this community recently...i've been kind of dissappointed in the fact that many people are trading off the overall sound to mess with buttons and switches...that's all. if you are interested in hearing me play or listening to the music that i write, or even jamming, i'm always down, but don't think that i'm trying to come off as some hot shot just because i expressed my opinions and posed an interesting question to the list (and I’m sorry if I offended you, but there is a large population of people who are far more concerned with gear than musicality and I guess I was just curious where people on this list stand – hey if everyone is just an audiophile, great, I’ve found THE source for getting gear reviews and recommendations)...and if you are threatened by someone who has been making music for an extended period of time (I’m sure that to the bulk of this list, 10 years is nothing) and think that that makes me think that I am better than anyone else, then that is your own issue. If you are doing ground breaking stuff with this gear, then I want to hear it (inspire me, influence me)…having just recently started playing with loops, I’m just trying to find people out there that I can learn from …show me that you didn’t just spend money on some fancy gear and that you are actually using it to create something. Out of curiosity, what is more important to you? the music that you are creating or what your gear is doing? And if you really want to challenge my abilities as a bassist, then name your place, name your time, and I’ll happily come by with my bass to play…but if I do impress you, I certainly hope that you will be a little bit more reserved in challenging someone’s abilities (which I’m still not sure why you suddenly jumped down my throat inferring that I think that I’m jaco) that you nothing about. And if I don’t impress you, that’s okay too…I’ll even apologize to the list for sharing the info that I’ve decided to try to take my music to a new level by incorporating some gear…sheesh…I’ll never understand the hostility associated with list-serves, but sure, why not…challenge accepted. Drop an email off list and we can find a mutually convenient time to get together to jam or have a musical duel or whatever…I’m in new york as I assume you are as well…and I hold no hostility towards you, but your post really sparked my interest to hear what you can do with your gear and your instrument(s)… Perplexed at the hostility and challenge, but accepting… evan evanmeyers@yahoo.com ps. I hope its okay, but I tend to play fretted bass over fretless by personal choice, but I do have a homemade fretless with frets pulled out ala jaco style (but it is a piece of crap and sounds like a toys r’ us bass) > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 12:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23347; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:40:55 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: LD Subject: RE: emmersive sound Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mahnoor.midashosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fastmail.fm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA23268 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, some cool ideas. My band has wanted to play around with surround sound someday. (We look forward to be able to release a 5.1 audio DVD when we can afford to do such things.) Anyway, this thread made me think of the Behringer Edison. I have never used it so I cant speak from experience but it claims to be able to process a stereo image to create a '3D' sound field by generating a controllable virtual 3rd center speaker. Maybe not applicable to Qua's needs but someone might have fun with such a device. ---Jazwell Wankerl phone: 715.833.2290 cell: 920.980.8311 jaz@iwonderasiwander.net 'Duckbill Glass' Synths * Samples Effects * Engineering I Wonder as I Wander... ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ "He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad." -R Sabatini ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 12:39:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23701; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423163651.63222.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: emmersive sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008c01c1ead5$4d6b5d20$eb168bd1@Douglas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "K. Douglas Baldwin" wrote: > The only problem with setting up this kind of surround-sound > delay is > the time lag introduced by sound through air. I don't know the > formula > offhand, but after about two hundred feet, it is signifigant. It's approximately 1ms of delay for each foot of air the sound travels through. > At the Watkins Glen concert in upstate New York (early 1970's, > 600,000-plus people) the sound techs introduced a time-delayed signal > to the > towers of speakers radiating from the stage so that it would roughly > reinforce the stage sound as it plowed through the humid summer air. This is done at virtually any event where the speakers are placed at varying distances from each other. That way the sound appears coherently at most places in the listening field. Most crossovers have a delay which can be used to compensate for the distance between subs and mid/high cabs too. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 12:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24129; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:42:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:42:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423164126.21980.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9JXrIB.A.W4F.66Yx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think that my post might have been taken out of context and in an effort to clarify what i was asking, i'll try to rephrase it so as not to offend the folks on this list... i was just curious what people are using the gear for? are they using it for just the creation of loops or to expand upon an instrument or musical idea. i only caught about an hour...hour and a half of an open loop jam and spoke with several of the folks there (who were very nice and easy to talk to) and i was lead to believe that what i experienced was much more of a free-form style open loop and that they tend to be more structured...but basically, what i saw and heard was about 6 to 10 people all doing something totally different that had no bearings on what everyone else was doing. i was able to focus on individual players, but within the mud of the sound i was hearing it was difficult to know who was doing what...and i had gone to the open loop without an instrument in the hopes of seeing what people from the list were using this gear to do and to talk to them about their setups and thought process for using the gear...i've always found that a great way to learn something is to talk with those who already have a knowledge-base about the subject. i've spoken with sales reps and people who are not a part of this list who use samplers and work with loops and have been pretty dissappointed in discovering that most of the people i've encountered were more impressed with the actual gear then learning how to incorporate it in a practical manner for different musical situations. sort of like having the gear as a status symbol...which is guess is where the hostility came from from david...sorry, didn't mean to offend. so, now, back to my quesiton...and please be honest...are you guys/gals involved in this for the love of the gear (which is cool and i can totally relate to) or the love of the music...and don't be offended, because it is okay to love the gear. hell, i loved playing around with programs like rebirth having no clue what i was doing but loving the sounds coming out...that was a situation, where it was gear of musicality because i wasn't creating the music as much as modifying it... i'm not sure if this is getting my point across or just offending more people, but what i guess i'm looking for is some inspiration...i want to see/hear people using these devices and doing mind blowing stuff (i'm eagerly anticipating the knitting factory show with andre as i hear such good things about his music and technical ability with the gear)... sorry for any confusion and i hope i didn't just start up another 'which way does the cable run' kind of a thread...if so, please direct all flames and or challenges (being that that seems to be the way to deal with these) to my personal email at evanmeyers@yahoo.com (let's try and keep the private stuff off of the list - and yes, i am mocking the behavior of the posts of the list, but if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at...me?) eagerly awaiting your flames to respond to... e va n|s sa b evanmeyers@yahoo.com (one more time for those who need to read the ending first) --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > OOh boy, flame wars! > I will always remember Steve Lawson's advice about > learning all the > capabilities of one piece of gear before adding > another--let's see him do > that now that he's using an Echoplex--and then let's > give him the Loop IV > upgrade! > But in all seriousness, it is tough to do everything > all at once--and if you > know your instrument well, you can focus more on the > other gear. Perhaps > that is what you perceived. It is difficult to > believe that David (just for > one) is unmusical. > OTOH, it's all about what you like! > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Michael > LaMeyer > Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: > loop mud) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > > > i've started checking out people using the gear > and > > i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan > to > > attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and > the > > main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung > > musicians who use the gear is the lack of > musicality. > > Unfortunately I'll be out of town and can't check > you out strutting your stuff @ open loop till 5/11. > Let's see how f*cking talented you are after playing > bass > for 10 years. Bring a fretless bass Jaco. > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 12:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24755; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:54:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:0:26 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: LD Subject: RE: Musicality vs Gear Quality Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mahnoor.midashosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fastmail.fm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA24714 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on Evan! My guitarist and I were recently talking about this very subject. We were comparing some cheap guitar with a unique sound played by a master musician as opposed to a less accomplished musician who buys an expensive custom guitar yet cant play an original note to save his life. Granted, these are extreme cases, but the point is that Talent and Skill and Discipline and Creativity are way more important than expensive gear. Just listen to commercial radio. Contrast Britney Spears with David Torn. (Is that the first time DT has been used in the same sentence as Miss Spears?) The bottom line is the music (Art). ---Jazwell Wankerl phone: 715.833.2290 cell: 920.980.8311 jaz@iwonderasiwander.net 'Duckbill Glass' Synths * Samples Effects * Engineering I Wonder as I Wander... ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ "He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad." -R Sabatini ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 13:12:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27134; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:11:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:11:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:15:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Gig Spam Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey music lovers! I will be playing a 1 hour set of loop based music, at the the Catalyst in downtown Santa Cruz as part of of the Santa Cruz Digital Arts Festival on Wednesday April 24th beginning at 9. The show is free. Also, I will be playing from 8-11pm Saturday May 4th at Chaminade in the Santa Cruz hills. Hope to see you there. BTW I had a great gig opening for the Tony Levin Band last Tuesday night. Rick joined me on the last tune with some inspired water-filled vase playing. The Levin band was great, beautifull tunes including a new one by Tony called the 5th Man which is one of the best post King Krimson songs you are likely to hear, with a wonderfull odd beat cycle that had me completely turned around. gret playing all around fom Tony, Larry Fast, Jesse Gress and, the great and powerfull Jerry Marotta on drums (and guitar and sax and comic relief). Rick and I made a nice connection with Jerry and hope to do an album project with him later this year. Also They did a cover/deconstruction of the old standard "Tequila" that had the audience in stitches. Insprired lunacy, and world class musicianship, what more could you ask for? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 13:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27899; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:24:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:24:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:23:57 -0400 Subject: Where do I buy loop4? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Went to the aurisis site to buy loop4 and nothing there, am I stupidly looking in the wrong place? And was there any video tape of oakland? Sometime's I hate being a new yorker instead of an east coaster... This is one of those times... Wish I could have been with you all on the 20th... Best, Todd Reynolds http://www.toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 13:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27960; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:25:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:25:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423172458.63843.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020423145213.1210.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ Evan - yep. thing is some people get off on some things more than others, so they make different sounds that sometimes are not all that different. I'dunno, i'm having a great time with a simplified rig now, no midi, samples. I like playing guitar so that's what I use, but I know that my Selina likes to go some other places and I accompany her. actually I think we met, you were alright, I liked speaking with you. i'm not sure if I gave you any music, but would love to swap tunes if you'd like. just use the gear, Luke. if it sucks and doesn't extend your over-all abilities, then question it's use. btw, i'll be doing some type of "entertainment music" (some type of party) at Chama on Friday if anyone is interested in hearing some sounds. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 --- Evan Meyers wrote: > i know exactly what you mean. i'm still fairly new > to> this kind of equipment as well and love hearing the> input that this list has to offer. > > i spent about 10 years as JUST a bassist (or as > frank > zappa puts it - a composer whose main instrument of > composition happens to be bass)...sure i spent some > money on some gear that seemed good at the time, but > never really got into the nitty gritty of what it > was > all about and what you can actually do with this > stuff > (and in turn, had several pieces of crap in my rig > that i barely used and barely got beyond facotry > installed presets). i've taken midi classes and > gotten in and out of caring about it, but now i've > come to a point where it is the next logical step > (to > start embracing the technology available to > musicians > as opposed to scoffing at it as i had done in the > past). > > i've started checking out people using the gear and > i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan > to > attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and > the > main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung > musicians who use the gear is the lack of > musicality. > > to me, it seems that people are more concerned with > what gear they have then the actual sounds that they > are producing and this is pretty upsetting to me, > because i was under the impression that this was all > about using the tools available to get the sounds in > our collective heads out to the public (although i > guess the sound in some folks' head is just chaotic > loops). obviously, there are a bunch of people > doing > mind boggling things with this gear, but the > majority > of what i have seen is people getting wrapped up in > turning nobs and pushing buttons...not even taking > the > gear out to what it is capable of. > > the big problem with equipment like this and my > major > former gripe about technological advancements in > musical equipment is that the basic functions of > these > tools can make anybody sound pretty good. the > problem > with that is that people tend to shy away from > digging > deeper into the power of these tools and are > satisfied > with its basic features. an echoplex and a repeater > are not just tools, they are actual instruments and > when used properly or perhaps i should say > creatively, > they can really expand your capabilities as a live > and > studio musician. > > i probably would have been better off not saying > anything...especially since with my comments, i was > more pushing my views and goals in your and other > list > members' directions, but i just don't buy into the > whole fix a limitation with one piece of gear with > another. to some people, a guitar is just something > to strum chords on and the only way to do something > unique is to add effects, but pioneers like hendrix > showed us that there are not limits to the sounds > that > one can create with just a guitar. just trying to > offer some of my personal feelings on the subject, > and > again, this is just how i feel...i do understand the > addiction associated with gear acquisition (and > battle > it myself to a degree), but for a group like this > who > uses this cutting edge technology to create music, > i'd > like to hear more people doing ground breaking > stuff...and maybe i haven't been exposed to enough > music that is being created by members of this list, > but i've checked out a bunch of links to list > members' > music and seen some of the gear in action and most > of > what i've heard can easily be done without this gear > and with just more focus on the actual instrument > going through the gear. > > anyone care to share their views on the age old (for > me at least) debate of musicality vs. equipment? > > loopfully yours, > e va n|s sa b > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 13:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28162; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:26:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:26:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Tue, 23 Apr 02 12:32:40 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:24:25 -0500 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> evanmeyers@yahoo.com 04/23/02 11:41AM >>> >i've spoken with sales reps and people who are not a >part of this list who use samplers and work with loops >and have been pretty dissappointed in discovering that >most of the people i've encountered were more >impressed with the actual gear then learning how to >incorporate it in a practical manner for different >musical situations. I think this situation is pretty common in a lot of human endeavours. As a guitarist and former guitar salesperson, I can attest to the "gear-cred" that gets attributed to people. Sure. It happens. In my neck of the woods, merely strapping on a Chapman stick impresses (and frightens) people. >sort of like having the gear as a >status symbol...which is guess is where the hostility >came from from david...sorry, didn't mean to offend. Once again, the ape with the best jawbone of an ass wins, right? :) >so, now, back to my quesiton...and please be >honest...are you guys/gals involved in this for the >love of the gear (which is cool and i can totally >relate to) or the love of the music...and don't be >offended, because it is okay to love the gear. I'm as much of a sucker for der rackadum fulla blinkenlichten as anybody else, but this is sort of a koan, eh? If the machine is involved in making the music, why separate? I have a phrase that I keep handy for describing a musical situation wherein the artist appears to be much more concerned with method and process and technology than the actual sounds --"I don't like it". Of course, I'm generally kinder with my opinions regarding people who are actually out there, engaging in the rare, beautiful and endangered act that is Live Music. Me? I'm just a hack who hasn't done anything live for 10 years. >hell, >i loved playing around with programs like rebirth >having no clue what i was doing but loving the sounds >coming out...that was a situation, where it was gear >of musicality because i wasn't creating the music as >much as modifying it... This sounds a lot like some of the whole DJ vs. Musician thing we had quite a while back. Personally, if you like to listen to it, it's music, right? Any arbitrary line in the sand between musicality and non-musicality is really a matter of preference, yes? I'm sure that boundary could be qualified by each of us, but that whole process smells like 'opinion' to me. >i'm not sure if this is getting my point across or >just offending more people, but what i guess i'm >looking for is some inspiration...i want to see/hear >people using these devices and doing mind blowing >stuff (i'm eagerly anticipating the knitting factory >show with andre as i hear such good things about his >music and technical ability with the gear)... Here here. Of course, I think I have a fairly easily blown mind. Last night I hooked up a Kaoss pad with a strat and a piece of my mind made it all the way to the neighbor's porch. >sorry for any confusion and i hope i didn't just start >up another 'which way does the cable run' kind of a >thread... One of the best things (there are a lot of "best things" piling up in my corner) about this list is that the dialog here swings wildly from incredibly useful threads about compression to very abstract threads about approach and preference and musicality and heavy philoloopical musings. For me, warts and all, this list is probably the best thing about the internet. (See, another "best thing"....sigh.) -K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 13:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28822; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:29:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:29:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c1eaec$2aef6cc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Loop4 Release Party Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:27:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1EAB1.7C1BEB40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1EAB1.7C1BEB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, the release was 3 days ago and not 1 single peep about it. Was it a = disaster? Or is everyone still nursing their hangovers? Cliff http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1EAB1.7C1BEB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So, the release was 3 days ago and not 1 single peep = about it.=20 Was it a disaster? Or is everyone still nursing their = hangovers?
 
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http://www.om-studios.com ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1EAB1.7C1BEB40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 13:47:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29977; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:44:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:44:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mlandman@pop.sonic.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020423155133.77633.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020423155133.77633.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:47:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: Loop Boundaries, was repeater question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evan and Benjamin- It's true evening out the volume differences will help deal with the infamous loop boundary "bump" issue, you may still get some clicks, bumps and other artifacts that'll ruin the illusion of a seamless loop. Remember even though you may have equal volume, that ever changing waveform you are looping probably isn't always going to match up nicely at these boundary points. In fact, depending on it's amplitude when you abruptly began sampling, and the difference when you abruptly stopped sampling, a wide range of clicks and thumps are possible. A lot of loopers do a very quick crossfade at the boundary to help deal with this, with varying degrees of success. One of the Echoplex's (many) strengths is it's ability to end recording by going directly into overdub. If your looper can do this, try this: fade in your signal after you begin recording, then end your loop with overdub, then fade the input signal out smoothly. The result should be a beautifully crossfaded seamless loop. And don't get me started on Loop IV, wow...... Best- Mark >the only bumps that you could be encountering (which >i've seen people questioning concerning the repeater >and other loop devices) are those of your own foot >stomping. here's a test for you to try to see if you >still get the bumps...play a single note and let it >ring out...while it is ringing, step on the switch to >record your loop...then, while it is still ringing, >press the switch that starts looping the loop...if you >hear a bump, then it could just be that your rc-20 is >messed up or the rc-20's in general are messed up > >what you should hear after creating that loop is just >a single note droning in the background, looping, but >not altering its sound in any way...let the note ring >a bit before starting to record the loop so that you >won't have a bump due to volume levels as your >sustained note dies out. i would try this creating a >second or two long loop and then again perhaps with >one a bit longer...post your results to the list or at >least send them to me as i'm curious with what result >you'll have. when i was playing with an rc-20 my only >complaints were the lack of syncability and tempo >change and other key features...but i never >experienced any problems with bumps in the recording, >but have experienced bumps in loop creation by >starting or ending the loops at the wrong time. like >i said, it comes with practice. > >hope that helps, >e va n|s sa b >evanmeyers@yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:01:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32278; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Loop Boundaries, was repeater question Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:47:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And don't get me started on Loop IV, wow...... I wish someone would!! Please? NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:07:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00334; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:06:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:06:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB33@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:05:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAF1.68EC0240" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAF1.68EC0240 Content-Type: text/plain evan et al, this issue is always gonna create some friction. i think the problem is that one person's "musicality" can be another person's "lame-ass crap." someone can think that he/she is exploring interesting new sonic frontiers or methods of musical creation and another will think that it's just mindless wanking. also, my reading of the initial post leads me to feel that there are two contradictory wishes: one is that evan wants people to really "delve" into the gear in a "meaningful way," two is that he felt bummed when he saw people "twiddling knobs" - - which sounds a lot like people delving into their gear and "playing it like an instrument." maybe they are doing it, but the results don't work for you (?). i usually come down on the side of less tech (tho' i am the pedal king), but i'm intrigued by what people do with it: if it works, it works. i also need to keep in mind that it can come down to what the artist's intent is, maybe it doesn't align with my insterests. (fer instance, people on this list may all ooh and aah over something that i think is uninteresting, and they may think that what i do is shite.) it seems to me that some people are incredibly lo-tech and it works (for you), some are and it doesn't; some people are incredibly hi-tech and it works, some are and it doesn't. in my opinion the only lesson that can be learned is that some stuff works (for you) and some doesn't . . . and it could change from week to week down to minute to minute. i guess it could come down to going to shows and deciding if one likes the music or not - - without putting a more judgemental "it's music/it isn't music" spin on it. the process of deciding what works for you is cool, but i'm not sure that putting an absolute of what is and isn't is always constructive. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAF1.68EC0240 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud)

evan et al,

this issue is always gonna create some = friction.

i think the problem is that one person's = "musicality" can be another person's "lame-ass = crap."

someone can think that he/she is exploring = interesting new sonic frontiers or methods of musical creation and = another will think that it's just mindless wanking.

also, my reading of the initial post leads me to feel = that there are two contradictory wishes: one is that evan wants people = to really "delve" into the gear in a "meaningful = way," two is that he felt bummed when he saw people = "twiddling knobs" - - which sounds a lot like people delving = into their gear and "playing it like an instrument." maybe = they are doing it, but the results don't work for you (?).

i usually come down on the side of less tech (tho' i = am the pedal king), but i'm intrigued by what people do with it: if it = works, it works. i also need to keep in mind that it can come down to = what the artist's intent is, maybe it doesn't align with my insterests. = (fer instance, people on this list may all ooh and aah over something = that i think is uninteresting, and they may think that what i do is = shite.)

it seems to me that some people are incredibly = lo-tech and it works (for you), some are and it doesn't; some people = are incredibly hi-tech and it works, some are and it doesn't. in my = opinion the only lesson that can be learned is that some stuff works = (for you) and some doesn't . . . and it could change from week to week = down to minute to minute.

i guess it could come down to going to shows and = deciding if one likes the music or not  - - without putting a more = judgemental "it's music/it isn't music" spin on it. the = process of deciding what works for you is cool, but i'm not sure that = putting an absolute of what is and isn't is always constructive. =

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAF1.68EC0240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00624; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:08:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop Boundaries, was repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <023901c1eaf1$d12a1ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <051ytD.A.kJ.GMax8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me too. get started already... has kim hushed everyone until the official release? > > And don't get me started on Loop IV, wow...... > > > I wish someone would!! Please? > > NG > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01083; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423105828.058ce588@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:08:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Where do I buy loop4? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Todd and others- Official shipping of LoopIV hasn't happened yet, that's why there is no mention of it anywhere. what happened the other day was a "Pre-Release" unveiling of the whole thing. Since the software is done and the manual at least covers everything, we had copies available for people who came and wanted to get it early. There are a bunch of other details that have to get done before we can really ship it, which will hopefully happen over the next week or so. When it is really ready to ship, announcements will be made. sorry you couldn't join us Saturday, it was really a lot of fun and the performances by Matthias and Andre were really wonderful. thanks, kim At 10:23 AM 4/23/2002, todd reynolds wrote: >Hey all, > >Went to the aurisis site to buy loop4 and nothing there, am I stupidly >looking in the wrong place? > >And was there any video tape of oakland? > >Sometime's I hate being a new yorker instead of an east coaster... This is >one of those times... Wish I could have been with you all on the 20th... >Best, > >Todd Reynolds >http://www.toddreynolds.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01421; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loop Boundaries, was repeater question Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, the official release date isn't until tomorrow! But I, too, am eager to upgrade . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop Boundaries, was repeater question > And don't get me started on Loop IV, wow...... I wish someone would!! Please? NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:25:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02000; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:24:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:24:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423105517.04bea760@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:19:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: new to list- repeater question In-Reply-To: <20020423155133.77633.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evan- I think the original question was about the Repeater having a bump with sustained notes over the loop boundary, not the RC-20. I haven't tried this in a while with the Repeater but I do remember hearing such a problem with it. (did they fix that with the upgrade? I can't remember...) As I remembered it, you would get it even after the initial loop record, when just overdubbing through the startpoint of the loop. I don't know how the RC-20 handles these loop boundary cases. The technique you describe below might minimize it some, but it definitely wouldn't fix such a problem. They really have to do something in hardware/software specifically for this loop boundary case to avoid it. (zero-crossing, cross-fading, etc.) I would be interested to know if the rc-20 actually does do anything like that, can anybody tell? Also, in the RC-20, is it possible to go directly from recording the initial loop to overdubbing on top of it? kim At 08:51 AM 4/23/2002, Evan Meyers wrote: >the only bumps that you could be encountering (which >i've seen people questioning concerning the repeater >and other loop devices) are those of your own foot >stomping. here's a test for you to try to see if you >still get the bumps...play a single note and let it >ring out...while it is ringing, step on the switch to >record your loop...then, while it is still ringing, >press the switch that starts looping the loop...if you >hear a bump, then it could just be that your rc-20 is >messed up or the rc-20's in general are messed up >--- "Reid, Benjamin" wrote: > > is it a technique? I get the bump with the RC-20 > > which I thought was a > > shortcoming of the machine, but if there are tips, > > I'd love to learn :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:01 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: new to list- repeater question > > > > > > > So my question- is the repeater capable of > > creating > > > seemless loops live? I > > > would like to do ambient looping in stereo. > > > > 100% yes...at times, i get a bump in my loops, but > > those go away with practice... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more >http://games.yahoo.com/ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:42:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02965; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:41:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:41:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423184032.21609.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm as much of a sucker for der rackadum fulla > blinkenlichten as > anybody else, but this is sort of a koan, eh? If > the machine is > involved in making the music, why separate? i guess that you are right...but for me being one of the former anti-digital music maker people it can be frustrating seeing people using the technology to just spit back factory created beats and the such and call it their own just bugs me. but that's just me...i'm more impressed by a guy creating a cool beat with a few pencils and different things to bang on then someone just turning nobs altering the sound of dr. dre's latest creation and calling it their own. i'm also really a huge fan of vocal jams (where people sing skat like music and create sounds in a musical manner with their voices)...but that all stems from my approach to improvisation and layering of music where every instrument is a compliment to every other instrument as opposed to a duplicate found in many of today's popular songwriters who think that a good bass part is just the root note of the chords of the song...but then again, i'm digging deeper into my own personal preferences to make generalizations...my bad. > I have > a phrase that I keep > handy for describing a musical situation wherein the > artist appears to > be much more concerned with method and process and > technology than the > actual sounds --"I don't like it". i'm impressed by someone who can create the sound of a door opening using instruments and wave modulation as opposed to just opening a door, but i guess the thing that bugs me is when someone creates that sound and they couldn't do it again. and again, i'm digressing even further into my own pet peves about music and musicians that i've encountered. i think i'm just having a tough day... > Of course, I'm > generally kinder > with my opinions regarding people who are actually > out there, engaging > in the rare, beautiful and endangered act that is > Live Music. Me? I'm > just a hack who hasn't done anything live for 10 > years. right on...if you aren't doing it for the love, then what are you doing it for? > This sounds a lot like some of the whole DJ vs. > Musician thing we had > quite a while back. dj's are great...people who mix tracks and nothing more...doesn't impress me, but i have a friend who does it and what impresses me is his ability to pick the right tunes at the right times...but not his fading abilities... people who scratch records and add effects to music...that is live spontaneous composition and quite musical in my opinion (damn, there is that word again). > Personally, if you like to > listen to it, it's > music, right? i'd say if you like to listen to it, then you like it...i wouldn't necessarily call it music. i like to listen to running water, i don't look at it as music, and i'd like to stay away from getting into "nature's music." i also find the sound of static fairly fascinating... > Any arbitrary line in the sand > between musicality and > non-musicality is really a matter of preference, > yes? I'm sure that > boundary could be qualified by each of us, but that > whole process smells > like 'opinion' to me. agreed and thanks for the intelligent comments on the subject (as opposed to challenging me to showcase my abilities for some unknown reason...by the way, i'm still waiting for a reply, david)...and i am curious about people's opinions on the issue. if you feel like you'd prefer to keep them off list to avoid getting bashed by those who think that they are better than you by claiming that you think you are better than them (does that make any sense to anyone? even me?), feel free to email me privately...i love these discussions and love to hear the views of list members on such topics. > Here here. Of course, I think I have a fairly > easily blown mind. Last > night I hooked up a Kaoss pad with a strat and a > piece of my mind made > it all the way to the neighbor's porch. usually in those instances, i find that the reason my mind is blown is that i'm shocked that i am the one creating those sounds...i'm always blowing my own my mind...and i wouldn't have it any other way! > swings wildly from > incredibly useful threads about compression to very > abstract threads > about approach and preference and musicality and > heavy philoloopical > musings. For me, warts and all, this list is > probably the best thing > about the internet. (See, another "best > thing"....sigh.) i agree...not to mention, i always love a good debate taboot taboot! like a madman, e va n|s sa b (aka jaco...the second coming - there, now i've gone and claimed it! now can we get together to jam and make music or just push buttons and turn nobs?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 14:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03772; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:52:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: german dummy: echoplex discontinued? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:51:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this a new Echoplex? ?480 Sterling is a very good price for an EDP + Footcontroller; even second-hand. If it's old and beaten up though, it's a high price. European versions of the EDP have been many years in development, but they will come. There's been too much investment in design and now finally, marketting, (see http://www.gibsonechoplex.com/; it's a start!), for Gibson to drop this very popular product. So, for the record, (again), Gibson has not discontinued the production of the EPD, Andy Ewen. Echoplex Production Manager, working for Gibson via Trace Elliot via Straightedge. -----Original Message----- From: Danilo Rometsch [mailto:danilo@erdbeerhund.com] Sent: 23 April 2002 00:22 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: german dummy: echoplex discontinued? Hello, I am a poor dummy from germany and I am waiting for the arrival of the gibson echoplex digital pro for a horribly long time now. But it does not come. Is it true that gibson discontinues the production of the EPD? Can anyone tell me if 480 english pounds is a good price for the EPD and the floorboard? Thank you for your help! -- _________________________________ funky jazzy Pop'N'Groove: MISSIS RAINTOWN missis@missisraintown.com www.missisraintown.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 15:00:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04159; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:54:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:54:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: new to list- repeater question Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:52:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The good/bad thing about the RC-20 is that you have unlimited recording time so you don't reach a preset wall and then go into overdub mode (not sure if Repeaters and EDP's do this but older samplers you had to preset the amount of time you wanted to sample). The bad thing is that you have to stop then start again to play but then can go into overdub seamlessly if needed. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new to list- repeater question Evan- I think the original question was about the Repeater having a bump with sustained notes over the loop boundary, not the RC-20. I haven't tried this in a while with the Repeater but I do remember hearing such a problem with it. (did they fix that with the upgrade? I can't remember...) As I remembered it, you would get it even after the initial loop record, when just overdubbing through the startpoint of the loop. I don't know how the RC-20 handles these loop boundary cases. The technique you describe below might minimize it some, but it definitely wouldn't fix such a problem. They really have to do something in hardware/software specifically for this loop boundary case to avoid it. (zero-crossing, cross-fading, etc.) I would be interested to know if the rc-20 actually does do anything like that, can anybody tell? Also, in the RC-20, is it possible to go directly from recording the initial loop to overdubbing on top of it? kim At 08:51 AM 4/23/2002, Evan Meyers wrote: >the only bumps that you could be encountering (which >i've seen people questioning concerning the repeater >and other loop devices) are those of your own foot >stomping. here's a test for you to try to see if you >still get the bumps...play a single note and let it >ring out...while it is ringing, step on the switch to >record your loop...then, while it is still ringing, >press the switch that starts looping the loop...if you >hear a bump, then it could just be that your rc-20 is >messed up or the rc-20's in general are messed up >--- "Reid, Benjamin" wrote: > > is it a technique? I get the bump with the RC-20 > > which I thought was a > > shortcoming of the machine, but if there are tips, > > I'd love to learn :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:01 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: new to list- repeater question > > > > > > > So my question- is the repeater capable of > > creating > > > seemless loops live? I > > > would like to do ambient looping in stereo. > > > > 100% yes...at times, i get a bump in my loops, but > > those go away with practice... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more >http://games.yahoo.com/ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 15:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04004; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423185233.55480.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:52:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020423172458.63843.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > yep. thing is some people get off on some things > more > than others, so they make different sounds that > sometimes are not all that different. i realize that and it kind of sucks that i didn't choose my wording more carefully. i've been trying to become a spounge and feed this musical obsession that has been growing over the years...trying to take as much away from every encounter as possible and i guess i haven't followed the right links to list members' and other recommended music and became concerned that i had gotten myself involved in a community where the bottom line isn't music but rather the gear being used to accomplish music (which to an extent is the purpose of this list...but also to share musical ideas and techniques with the group). > I'dunno, i'm > having a great time with a simplified rig now, no > midi, samples. I like playing guitar so that's what > I > use, but I know that my Selina likes to go some > other > places and I accompany her. > actually I think we met, you were alright, I liked > speaking with you. we did meet and i was pretty excited to chat with you (although briefly) about what you have been using and why you made those choices. i guess there is just a priority clash with myself and some of the list members... > i'm not sure if I gave you any music, but would love > to swap tunes if you'd like. i'd be more than happy to swap stuff, but unfortunately the most current things that i have to offer are just random jam sessions with friends and nothing with any real looping...i'd prefer to get together, sync up some devices and just jam (to me, that is what it is all really about) or even leave the devices at home...but i'm itching to hear some inspiring looping stuff that can open my ears to some new approaches, ideas, and influences. i am in the process of putting together a project studio so that i can have a disc ready to hand out at will...but again, up until recently, the extent of my gear acquisition was a yamaha 4 track and a few useless bass effect floor boards/stomp boxes (which the only one i still use is a boss auto-wah ---if you set the sensitivity at about 1/4 up and everything else all the way down, you get a pretty nice envelope filter effect). > just use the gear, Luke. if it sucks and doesn't > extend your over-all abilities, then question it's > use. i look at as if it sux...learn it better before forgetting everything you know and just playing. > btw, i'll be doing some type of "entertainment > music" > (some type of party) at Chama on Friday if anyone is > interested in hearing some sounds. > please email off list if you are interested in jamming at any time and give me more info on the chama gig...if i'm available, i'd love to hear your solo set...i noticed that you did some really cool things during the open loop (although a lot of it got lost in the ambience of that particular day) sorry for so many posts in one day, but work is a bit slow today.... e va n __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 15:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06902; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:22:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: german dummy: Echoplex discontinued? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:23:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4EeikC.A.SrB.ERbx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not a Gibson spokesperson, but I'm definitely overseeing production of loads of Echoplexes and have done so for the last 3 years. Why doesn't anyone believe me? I'm beginning to think the list sees me as a lurking crank/crackpot :) Andy Ewen, Echoplex Production Manager, (or is that only in my weird little fantasy world?). -----Original Message----- From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] Sent: 23 April 2002 03:21 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: german dummy: echoplex discontinued? gibson spokesperson/somebody who builds them claims they are still in production, or at least there are some being built by said "somebody"... alto music claims they bought the last batch... check the archives for the long story. you can get edp's new in the u.s. for about 750 (footcontroller included), so whatever the conversion rate is, just do the math to come up with the english pound cost. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 15:36:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07814; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:35:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:35:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:34:45 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: german dummy: Echoplex discontinued? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <028001c1eafd$ec91d410$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no way! i think most here know you're the real deal. you've been quite helpful to me... i think there may have been some confusion as to whether you were still with gibson after the earlier announcement... > I'm not a Gibson spokesperson, but I'm definitely overseeing production of > loads of Echoplexes and have done so for the last 3 years. > Why doesn't anyone believe me? I'm beginning to think the list sees me as a > lurking crank/crackpot :) > > Andy Ewen, > Echoplex Production Manager, (or is that only in my weird little fantasy > world?). > ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 15:53:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08553; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: german dummy: Echoplex discontinued? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:48:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <028001c1eafd$ec91d410$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4_R7-D.A.2EC.lobx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, and I know how confusing this gets as Gibson are always reluctant to give out 'official statements'. I have to be careful what I give out on the list, besides not wanting to get in trouble with Kim for OT content, I don't want to upset Gibson. I never actually worked for Gibson, I was with Trace Elliot, owned by Gibson, but after the down-sizing, I moved to another music equip manufacturer, Straightedge. We make Ashdown Bass amps, all Orange Amplification, Celestion PA systems, Quested Monitor stuff, Turbosound & EV cabinets and Cornford Guitar amps, amongst others. Regards, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: 23 April 2002 20:35 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: german dummy: Echoplex discontinued? no way! i think most here know you're the real deal. you've been quite helpful to me... i think there may have been some confusion as to whether you were still with gibson after the earlier announcement... > I'm not a Gibson spokesperson, but I'm definitely overseeing production of > loads of Echoplexes and have done so for the last 3 years. > Why doesn't anyone believe me? I'm beginning to think the list sees me as a > lurking crank/crackpot :) > > Andy Ewen, > Echoplex Production Manager, (or is that only in my weird little fantasy > world?). > ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09173; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020423145227.00825e90@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:52:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: german dummy: Echoplex discontinued? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, I believe you - but send me one as proof! Ha! M... At 08:23 PM 4/23/02 +0100, you wrote: >I'm not a Gibson spokesperson, but I'm definitely overseeing production of >loads of Echoplexes and have done so for the last 3 years. >Why doesn't anyone believe me? I'm beginning to think the list sees me as a >lurking crank/crackpot :) > >Andy Ewen, >Echoplex Production Manager, (or is that only in my weird little fantasy >world?). > >-----Original Message----- >From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] >Sent: 23 April 2002 03:21 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: german dummy: echoplex discontinued? > > >gibson spokesperson/somebody who builds them claims >they are still in production, or at least there are >some being built by said "somebody"... > >alto music claims they bought the last batch... > >check the archives for the long story. > >you can get edp's new in the u.s. for about 750 >(footcontroller included), so whatever the conversion >rate is, just do the math to come up with the english >pound cost. > >-jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:01:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10677; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:00:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:00:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:58:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2002 19:59:00.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FC32BD0:01C1EB01] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No need to apologize for your statements Evan (although someone else should). This has been a very interesting discussion & has given me some things to think about as I’m working with my gear & ART too. I appreciate all the intelligent follow-ups as well. As a side note, a few Wednesday’s ago I saw Pedro’s show at Chama & was really inspired by the stunning aesthetic of his music… Maybe the 3 of get can get together at some point & do some playing. I would love to speak w/ you guys off-group. Cheers Lou Rossi >From: Evan Meyers >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:52:33 -0700 (PDT) > > > yep. thing is some people get off on some things > > more > > than others, so they make different sounds that > > sometimes are not all that different. > >i realize that and it kind of sucks that i didn't >choose my wording more carefully. i've been trying to >become a spounge and feed this musical obsession that >has been growing over the years...trying to take as >much away from every encounter as possible and i guess >i haven't followed the right links to list members' >and other recommended music and became concerned that >i had gotten myself involved in a community where the >bottom line isn't music but rather the gear being used >to accomplish music (which to an extent is the purpose >of this list...but also to share musical ideas and >techniques with the group). > > > I'dunno, i'm > > having a great time with a simplified rig now, no > > midi, samples. I like playing guitar so that's what > > I > > use, but I know that my Selina likes to go some > > other > > places and I accompany her. > > actually I think we met, you were alright, I liked > > speaking with you. > >we did meet and i was pretty excited to chat with you >(although briefly) about what you have been using and >why you made those choices. i guess there is just a >priority clash with myself and some of the list >members... > > > i'm not sure if I gave you any music, but would love > > to swap tunes if you'd like. > >i'd be more than happy to swap stuff, but >unfortunately the most current things that i have to >offer are just random jam sessions with friends and >nothing with any real looping...i'd prefer to get >together, sync up some devices and just jam (to me, >that is what it is all really about) or even leave the >devices at home...but i'm itching to hear some >inspiring looping stuff that can open my ears to some >new approaches, ideas, and influences. i am in the >process of putting together a project studio so that i >can have a disc ready to hand out at will...but again, >up until recently, the extent of my gear acquisition >was a yamaha 4 track and a few useless bass effect >floor boards/stomp boxes (which the only one i still >use is a boss auto-wah ---if you set the sensitivity >at about 1/4 up and everything else all the way down, >you get a pretty nice envelope filter effect). > > > just use the gear, Luke. if it sucks and doesn't > > extend your over-all abilities, then question it's > > use. > >i look at as if it sux...learn it better before >forgetting everything you know and just playing. > > > btw, i'll be doing some type of "entertainment > > music" > > (some type of party) at Chama on Friday if anyone is > > interested in hearing some sounds. > > > >please email off list if you are interested in jamming >at any time and give me more info on the chama >gig...if i'm available, i'd love to hear your solo >set...i noticed that you did some really cool things >during the open loop (although a lot of it got lost in >the ambience of that particular day) > >sorry for so many posts in one day, but work is a bit >slow today.... >e va n > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more >http://games.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11145; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423200341.83605.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB33@mitorexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i think the problem is that one person's > "musicality" can be another > person's "lame-ass crap." exactly! right on the nose! > also, my reading of the initial post leads me to > feel that there are two > contradictory wishes: one is that evan wants people > to really "delve" into > the gear in a "meaningful way," two is that he felt > bummed when he saw > people "twiddling knobs" - - which sounds a lot like > people delving into > their gear and "playing it like an instrument." > maybe they are doing it, but > the results don't work for you (?). this is true, but allow me to explain further...what i've noticed, and this is not just something that i saw at the open loop - open loopers be not offended (is that why david was so distressed...were you at the open loop and thought i was bashing your experimentation? - couldn't be further from the truth - just trying to use small snippets of various encounters as examples...) is that muscians/loopers had a loop going and rather than focussing on the continuity of the jam/music around them, they allowed their parts to run rampant creating a sound that made me and others in the various places where i witnesses such acts, to cover our ears. there are times when playing with these pieces of gear when they just don't do what we want them to do, wheter it is the fault of the person or the machine...and i was disappointed to see people fiddling with nobs and dials...shifting the pitches and sounds even further into disonance (which is beautiful music at times) with total and complete disregard for the sounds around them. when i say that i was upset to see people turning nobs, i was referring to the idea that rather than be concerned with the overall sound of the jam and EFFECTIVE ways to use the gear...i saw several examples of why people should have to apply for liscences to use the gear...total disregard for the music in the air and the ears being exposed to it... i've had instances where equipment failed on me or i failed on the equipment and my first impulse has always been to yank out some cables and go clean and dry through an amp or PA and save the gear for another time. when something sounds like sh*t, i like to try and resolve the problem and remove the sh*tty aspects to it...not pile it higher. it makes me question whether or not people are just having fun pushing buttons or actually listening (which is the biggest problem with musicians is lack of listening to others aside from yourself...but then again, i come from the phish jam school where music is a collective effort and not a solo thing - and i often forget that not everyone has the same musical values/priorities that i have). i'll try to try my hardest not to reply any more to these...but i can't make any promises, so if you are getting sick of this, please delete any emails from me with musicality subject lines. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12164; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:20:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020423200341.83605.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "...but then again, i come from the phish jam school where music is a collective effort and not a solo thing" Had the loopers you witnessed been practicing together on that on instrument (read: instrument + loopers + other gear) for over 10 years? The reason Phish sounds so tight *together*, is because they have played *together* so much. They know how to communicate with each other using a meta language of the music that they are actually playing! I have NEVER heard a jam as cohesive as a Phish jam (post '94 let's say), at an open jam night. Have you? If so, where can I go to hear such awesome jams and interconnectedness from people who have JUST met each other that night/recently? -Nathan .-. .-. .-. / \ / \ .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ --/-----\-----/---\----N-a-t-h-a-n---@---G-i-z-a-.-c-o-m------/-------\ / \ / \ / \ / '-' \ / \ '-' \ / '-' \ / \ / \ / '-' '-' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:24:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13128; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:22:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:22:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB34@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:21:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EB04.74928340" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EB04.74928340 Content-Type: text/plain > i think the problem is that one person's > "musicality" can be another > person's "lame-ass crap." exactly! right on the nose! ** still . . . i think that some of your commentary could be read with this sentiment in mind is that muscians/loopers had a loop going and rather than focussing on the continuity of the jam/music around them, they allowed their parts to run rampant creating a sound that made me and others in the various places where i witnesses such acts, to cover our ears. ** sure, but (in my mind) this comes down to your expectations of what *could* happen versus what *did* happen - - and then your artistic judgement on what did happen. i kinda think that you might be missing the boat on this. whether or not you like it, it is possible that the person doing the processing got *exactly* the effect that he/she wanted. i which case you are left to decide whether it works for you or not. and i was disappointed to see people fiddling with nobs and dials...shifting the pitches and sounds even further into disonance (which is beautiful music at times) with total and complete disregard for the sounds around them. ** assuming that they wanted to do this and that they were succesful at doing it, it all comes down to whether that sort of thing works for you. if it doesn't, just chalk it up to something you don't like. when i say that i was upset to see people turning nobs, i was referring to the idea that rather than be concerned with the overall sound of the jam and EFFECTIVE ways to use the gear... ** but (this is how i see it) isn't this a matter of not liking what they did, not it being *wrong*?? they thought they were in that musical moment. it makes me question whether or not people are just having fun pushing buttons or actually listening ** well that can be an issue and can be hard to discern . . . but you can get that with people playing with all acoustic instruments as well. (which is the biggest problem with musicians is lack of listening to others aside from yourself...but then again, i come from the phish jam school where music is a collective effort and not a solo thing - and i often forget that not everyone has the same musical values/priorities that i have). ** sure. i do a ton of free improv where listening is absolutely essential. whether or not anyone else gets it at a certain point of time is gonna be up to them (assuming that i'm playing "well"). but ya know, someone who's really into microtonality or noise-blast might find post-phish jamming not to their taste; if they consider you wrong or lame, then *they* need to deal with the fact that it's just a matter of taste. ** re people talking more about gear. i think it comes down to the fact that it's easier to do that - - it's less subjective than music is. (i've tried to get people to talk about music and what they want to with looping or what they see themselves "becoming" in terms of the gear and have not really gotten too many answers.) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EB04.74928340 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud)

> i think the problem is that one person's
> "musicality" can be another
> person's "lame-ass crap."

exactly!  right on the nose!

** still . . . i think that some of your commentary = could be read with this sentiment in mind

 is that muscians/loopers
had a loop going and rather than focussing on = the
continuity of the jam/music around them, they = allowed
their parts to run rampant creating a sound that = made
me and others in the various places where i = witnesses
such acts, to cover our ears. 

** sure, but (in my mind) this comes down to your = expectations of what *could* happen versus what *did* happen - - and = then your artistic judgement on what did happen. i kinda think that you = might be missing the boat on this. whether or not you like it, it is = possible that the person doing the processing got *exactly* the effect = that he/she wanted. i which case you are left to decide whether it = works for you or not.


and i was disappointed to
see people fiddling with nobs and dials...shifting = the
pitches and sounds even further into disonance = (which
is beautiful music at times) with total and = complete
disregard for the sounds around them.

** assuming that they wanted to do this and that they = were succesful at doing it, it all comes down to whether that sort of = thing works for you. if it doesn't, just chalk it up to something you = don't like. 

when i say that i was upset to see people = turning
nobs, i was referring to the idea that rather than = be
concerned with the overall sound of the jam = and
EFFECTIVE ways to use the gear...

** but (this is how i see it) isn't this a matter of = not liking what they did, not it being *wrong*??  they thought = they were in that musical moment.


it makes me question
whether or not people are just having fun = pushing
buttons or actually listening

** well that can be an issue and can be hard to = discern . . . but you can get that with people playing with all = acoustic instruments as well.


(which is the biggest
problem with musicians is lack of listening to = others
aside from yourself...but then again, i come from = the
phish jam school where music is a collective = effort
and not a solo thing - and i often forget that = not
everyone has the same musical values/priorities that = i
have).

** sure. i do a ton of free improv where listening is = absolutely essential. whether or not anyone else gets it at a certain = point of time is gonna be up to them (assuming that i'm playing = "well"). but ya know, someone who's really into microtonality = or noise-blast might find post-phish jamming not to their taste; if = they consider you wrong or lame, then *they* need to deal with the fact = that it's just a matter of taste.


** re people talking more about gear. i think it = comes down to the fact that it's easier to do that - - it's less = subjective than music is. (i've tried to get people to talk about music = and what they want to with looping or what they see themselves = "becoming" in terms of the gear and have not really gotten = too many answers.)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EB04.74928340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13489; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423202424.44670.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have NEVER heard a jam as cohesive as a Phish jam > (post '94 let's say), at > an open jam night. Have you? If so, where can I go > to hear such awesome > jams and interconnectedness from people who have > JUST met each other that > night/recently? they as a group vibe well off of each other, but it is the individual musicians that make it so good. i don't know if you've ever seen any of the members play with other projects or special guest with anyone, but they still display the ability to listen and play based on what they hear. true, they are so tight because of the years together, but as individual musicians, they can walk on stage with an act that they may have never heard before and still tear it up...sure, it won't be as mind boggling as seeing them together, but you still get the point that they are listening and playing based on what they hear going on around them. i often get together with various friends to have jam sessions and the faces their are always changing...and at times, you get to play with new people or people you haven't played with for months or even years, but still...everyone is listening and vibing off of the whole as opposed to trying to run through songs or things that we are practicing on our own. it seems that there is an off-list NY jam getting pulled together (as i've received a few messages from new yorkers looking to get together to jam - with or without all the fancy gear) and i'm sure that it won't be magic for the full jam session (as few jams sessions are), but i'm also sure that there will be some magic moments and even a few solid start to finish improv jams. its all about hooking up and connecting...sometimes you can do it and sometimes you can't but usually what it comes down to is some people can do it and some people can't... by the way, without trey's use of the boomerang, i might have never discovered the wonderful world of looping... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:43:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14355; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423203717.80685.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: what are YOU hoping to do with looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB34@mitorexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ** re people talking more about gear. i think it > comes down to the fact that > it's easier to do that - - it's less subjective than > music is. (i've tried > to get people to talk about music and what they want > to with looping or what > they see themselves "becoming" in terms of the gear > and have not really > gotten too many answers.) > > stig > let's try this one instead...being that several folks have shown me that this debate is like debating religion or the existence of god...there just is no right answser...just a belief/opinion system... i'll give it a shot... my reason for looping and getting into this aside from learning more about the incredible technological advancements with musical equipment is to be able to add more texture to my music in a band and solo situation. as a solo artist...to allow me to accompany myself and create new and interesting ways of getting a point across. as a band player...to be able to seemlessly add background textures and lay down grooves that will allow me the freedom to explore new ideas and even add more instrumentation to the overall music. my main and most important reason for diving into this technology is this burning desire to do something different...create a new genre of music...to break some rules, to be a pioneer, and to do something that i view as unique and illustrative of my personality...to take music out even further than it already is. and i'm doing this knowing that i may be the only one who cares to hear it...but damn, am i having a good time doing it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15163; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:48:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:48:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: Trey's Looping (was musicality vs. gear quality) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:53:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020423202424.44670.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "by the way, without trey's use of the boomerang, i might have never discovered the wonderful world of looping..." No kidding! I discovered Phish *after* I was heavily into electronic music, and had played around with delays and computers to some extent. I remember wondering to myself, "Why can't he lock that tempo down damnit!!!" as I would hear his loops drift out of phase with the rest of the band (Think: First Tube). Man, it just sounded so off that I would cringe as the drift would get out of hand. Do you know if this was his intent, or if he was intending to keep the loops in phase with the tempo, but just couldn't do it live? I've always wondered... Not to mention on the new TAB studio album, all the loops from First Tube are in sync. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... -Nathan .-. .-. .-. / \ / \ .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ --/-----\-----/---\----N-a-t-h-a-n---@---G-i-z-a-.-c-o-m------/-------\ / \ / \ / \ / '-' \ / \ '-' \ / '-' \ / \ / \ / '-' '-' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 16:56:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15560; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:53:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:53:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:56:11 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002901c1eb09$4cfa7540$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020423162125.85205.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > > > i've started checking out people using the gear and > > > i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan to > > > attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and the > > > main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung > > > musicians who use the gear is the lack of > > musicality. > > > > Unfortunately I'll be out of town and can't check > > you out strutting your stuff @ open loop till 5/11. > > Let's see how f*cking talented you are after playing > > bass > > for 10 years. Bring a fretless bass Jaco. > > okay, i never claimed to be jaco or even the second > coming of jaco...if you read my post you would clearly > see that my complaint was not that loopers can't play > their instruments, but rather, what i've seen and > heard (which by no means represents the looping > population) is more of people turning nobs and pushing > buttons and not making music You specifically wrote (about NYC's open loop): > > i've started checking out people using the gear and > > i've even gone to one open NY loop thing (and plan to > > attend and perform at these in weeks to come) and >the main dissappointing thing that i've noticed amoung > > > musicians who use the gear is the lack of > > musicality. Pretty damm cocky. You dam well better be able to be "musical". > if you are interested in hearing me play or listening > to the music that i write, or even jamming, i'm always > down, Not really interested at all at this point.... > but don't think that i'm trying to come off as > some hot shot Fooled me! > just because i expressed my opinions and > posed an interesting question to the list (and I'm > sorry if I offended you, but there is a large > population of people who are far more concerned with > gear than musicality and I guess I was just curious > where people on this list stand - hey if everyone is > just an audiophile, great, I've found THE source for > getting gear reviews and recommendations) >...and if you > are threatened by someone who has been making music > for an extended period of time (I'm sure that to the > bulk of this list, 10 years is nothing) and think that > that makes me think that I am better than anyone else, > then that is your own issue. Threatened? You insulted the folks that play every week at open loop. My point was that 10 years IS nothing. >If you are doing ground > breaking stuff with this gear, then I want to hear it > (inspire me, influence me).having just recently > started playing with loops, I'm just trying to find > people out there that I can learn from .show me that > you didn't just spend money on some fancy gear and > that you are actually using it to create something. > Out of curiosity, what is more important to you? the > music that you are creating or what your gear is > doing? And if you really want to challenge my > abilities as a bassist, then name your place, name > your time, and I'll happily come by with my bass to > play.but if I do impress you, I certainly hope that > you will be a little bit more reserved in challenging > someone's abilities (which I'm still not sure why you > suddenly jumped down my throat inferring that I think > that I'm jaco) that you nothing about. And if I don't > impress you, that's okay too.I'll even apologize to > the list for sharing the info that I've decided to try > to take my music to a new level by incorporating some > gear.sheesh.I'll never understand the hostility > associated with list-serves, but sure, why > not.challenge accepted. Music is more important to me, so I would be insulted when you say that the folks at open loop are not musical. > Drop an email off list and we can find a mutually > convenient time to get together to jam or have a > musical duel or whatever.I'm in new york as I assume > you are as well.and I hold no hostility towards you, > but your post really sparked my interest to hear what > you can do with your gear and your instrument(s). Nah...you wouldn't want to do that....us folks at open loop are too unmusical to hang with the likes of you. > Perplexed at the hostility and challenge, but > accepting. > evan > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > ps. I hope its okay, but I tend to play fretted bass > over fretless by personal choice, but I do have a > homemade fretless with frets pulled out ala jaco style > (but it is a piece of crap and sounds like a toys r' > us bass) Whatever... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 17:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17701; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:05:18 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003b01c1eb0a$92fc67a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020423200341.83605.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" > this is true, but allow me to explain further...what > i've noticed, and this is not just something that i > saw at the open loop - open loopers be not offended > (is that why david was so distressed...were you at the > open loop and thought i was bashing your > experimentation? - couldn't be further from the truth > - just trying to use small snippets of various > encounters as examples...) I've at most of the Sat. open loop jams, I think I've missed two. When were you there? Who was playing? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 17:11:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18522; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:09:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:09:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:11:47 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005901c1eb0b$7a7155a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020423172458.63843.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > btw, i'll be doing some type of "entertainment music" > (some type of party) at Chama on Friday if anyone is > interested in hearing some sounds. The Chama site shows you also playing on 4/25 Thursday? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 17:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19737; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:23:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423212313.43877.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020423185233.55480.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipzz~ --- Evan Meyers wrote: take as> much away from every encounter as possible and i> guess> i haven't followed the right links to list members'> and other recommended music and became concerned> that> i had gotten myself involved in a community where> the> bottom line isn't music but rather the gear being> used> to accomplish music (which to an extent is the> purpose > of this list...but also to share musical ideas and > techniques with the group). yep. I spend a good amount of time playing clean sans delays most days and have been playing a beat-to-shite Goya nylon with a busted bridge that i've detuned in a fun way, right? > > we did meet and i was pretty excited to chat with > you> (although briefly) about what you have been using> and> why you made those choices. i guess there is just a> priority clash with myself and some of the list> members... yeah with the bandage right :) I was playing mainly nothing, my personal weapon of destruction. when a jam reaches a level that my physical playing is not helping then I get to practice and listen to what is possibly losing me. most times, I simply have nothing better to add. I stick to playing what I can, having been a person who went through many effects only to find that I love the sound of certain instruments and have some bent ability to coax some sounds out of same. go with that dude. > > > i'm not sure if I gave you any music, but would > love> > to swap tunes if you'd like. > > i'd be more than happy to swap stuff, but > unfortunately the most current things that i have to > offer are just random jam sessions with friends and > nothing with any real looping...i'd prefer to get > together, sync up some devices and just jam (to me, > that is what it is all really about) or even leave > the> devices at home...but i'm itching to hear some > inspiring looping stuff that can open my ears to > some> new approaches, ideas, and influences. i am in the> process of putting together a project studio so that> i> can have a disc ready to hand out at will...but> again,> up until recently, the extent of my gear acquisition> was a yamaha 4 track and a few useless bass effect> floor boards/stomp boxes (which the only one i still> use is a boss auto-wah ---if you set the sensitivity> at about 1/4 up and everything else all the way> down, > you get a pretty nice envelope filter effect). cool. I would be happy to give you some of my discs, just to give you an idea as to what I. but i'd like to get together and make some real time sound with you also, if you think the fit would fine. I actually have a good amount of time on my hands in the next few weeks, so let's do something soon, eh?! > > just use the gear, Luke. if it sucks and doesn't > > extend your over-all abilities, then question it's > > use. > > i look at as if it sux...learn it better before > forgetting everything you know and just playing. right. it should be that way. but, so many people with some many different ways. oh, well. > > > btw, i'll be doing some type of "entertainment > > music"> > (some type of party) at Chama on Friday if anyone> is > > interested in hearing some sounds. > > > > please email off list if you are interested in > jamming> at any time and give me more info on the chama> gig...if i'm available, i'd love to hear your solo> set...i noticed that you did some really cool things> during the open loop (although a lot of it got lost> in> the ambience of that particular day) sure, ah heck i'm doing this on-list. I think this discussion is and will bear some good fruit. are you with me? thanks for saying so. I have a handle on my instruments to some extent and follow that up with some adventure. but that open was for me, a bit difficult, because I just wanted to listen, so I stopped playing, because I wasn't going to have much to add that could help. > sorry for so many posts in one day, but work is a > bit> slow today.... > e va n > cheers bro, Pedro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 17:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20305; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:29:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:29:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:32:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01c1eb16$cee35f60$ef6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <_GkmcC.A.f8E.pIdx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipzz~ -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > btw, i'll be doing some type of "entertainment music" > (some type of party) at Chama on Friday if anyone is > interested in hearing some sounds. The Chama site shows you also playing on 4/25 Thursday? darn. that's news to me and i'll have to check with Stv today, but i'm not sure. I always like to play so what the hey. how did Sat. go? Pedro * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 17:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20991; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423213750.47245.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:37:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ --- Louis Rossi wrote: > As a side note, a few Wednesday’s ago I saw Pedro’s > show at Chama & was > really inspired by the stunning aesthetic of his> music… Maybe the 3 of get > can get together at some point & do some playing. I > would love to speak w/ > you guys off-group. > > Cheers > Lou Rossi Lou man, thanks! you're the guy with the slight stache? there is actually some fine ass dv footage of my last few gigs. they look good and sound quite good also. i'm not sure what i'll do with them, but maybe some folks might be interested in seeing some footage. i'm amazed at the sounds that i've been able to replicate out lately. I was a studio-hermit type player for the last eight years or so and just tried to make sure that the sound was something I had played. I wasn't sure the translation would be there from what I record to what is heard live, but I think I am getting closer. I think it would be great to get together also! best, Pedro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 17:59:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22110; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC5D148.E706CEFF@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:25:28 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loop4 Release Party References: <200204231904.PAA05919@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The release party was great. There were close to two dozen people there, many of whom were wearing Looper's Delight T-shirts. Unfortunately, I didn't get to meet all of them (I forgot to wear my t-shirt). I did recognize Tom Heasley and Sean Echevarria from Loopstock, and met a looper named Alex and another named Laurie who provided the PA. Amy X Neuburg and her husband Herb were also there, and Amy gave us a great demo of her unique vocal and percussion looping the next afternoon. - I hope to see them on the list soon. It's amazing how many loopers there are just in Kim's neighborhood. The performances were excellent. Andre and Matthias make a great duo - both are really good improvisers whose styles and sounds complement each other well. Our humble list maintainer even found himself on stage with a guitar for just long enough to demonstrate a few of the new features. Loop4 is awesome! There are features there that most people would never have thought of, in addition to all of the ones that I was hoping for, and implemented more elegantly that I could have imagined. I haven't installed my chipset yet, but I did read through the upgrade manual and I can't wait to get started. There are lots of features that will take a while to figure out how to use, but I'm starting to get ideas already. Matthias and Kim, plus Andre, Andy, Claude, and the rest of the beta test team, all deserve to be commended for their effort to bring this new software to light. I shot video of basically the whole event - three hours' worth. I'm not sure what will happen with the footage - we talked about putting together a DVD, but we would probably actually MAKE money if we just put the originals on eBay :) Stay tuned. -Hans Lindauer > So, the release was 3 days ago and not 1 single peep about it. Was it > a disaster? Or is everyone still nursing their hangovers? > > Cliff > > http://www.om-studios.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 18:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22591; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:57:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:57:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020423215704.9128.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002901c1eb09$4cfa7540$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2Gg7Y.A.UgF.xidx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You specifically wrote (about NYC's open loop): > yes i did specifically write about the open loop in NY, but if you read closely or any of my follow-up posts you would see that i was not ONLY speaking of my experiences at the open loop, but at my experiences seeing people playing with gear. obviously, you took personal offense towards my comments and by no means did i mean to insult you. and from the looks of other posts, it seems that you are the only one who took these things personally...and again, i apologize for offending you...if you knew me, which you obviously don't you would know that i am one of the most open minded people when it comes to people's art and their forms of expression. i was just posing a question as to what people on this list are concerned with - gear or music...and i'm sure there are just as many on the list concerned with gear as their are with music...after all, most discussion on this list involve gear as opposed to music. > >the main dissappointing thing that i've noticed > amoung > > > > musicians who use the gear is the lack of > > > musicality. > > Pretty damm cocky. You dam well better be able > to be "musical". again, you took this personally as a shot at you...if you saw me at the open loop (which it would have been hard to miss considerring i was the only person there just watching), you would have clearly seen me getting down in my seat when the groove was there...and you would have also seen me holding my ears when utter chaos was ensuing...and i'm pretty sure i saw you or at least some of the other loopers make some wry grimaces at some of the sounds that the collective group was making...and body language speaks louder than email... ...and what makes you think that i'm not musical? because i made a comment saying that i've heard people not make music with the gear. have you ever gone to a guitar shop and just listened to people playing...you can call it music if you want, but i don't...some of it is the best music i've ever heard and some of it makes me want to leave the store...try not to jump to conclusions about me, my playing, my thoughts, and what i'm talking about (especially when you aren't reading my posts - i'm attempting to be friendly and even try to bury the hatchet with a down home jam session, but apparently you like to allow your pride to make you miss opportunities to create music...fine with me). > > if you are interested in hearing me play or > listening > > to the music that i write, or even jamming, i'm > always > > down, > > Not really interested at all at this point.... i'm not surprised...but my invitation is still open to jam with you, maybe give you an opportunity to meet the person who you seem to think has nothing good to say about anything...but the ball is in your court...i'm in the process of pulling together a jam session with members of the list and i'd really like for you to come, but if you prefer tension and bad blood, then you enjoy it...i hold no grudges and i still have nothing wrong with your musical abilities (and why you think i am attacking you - maybe you are doubting your own abilities?) > > but don't think that i'm trying to come off as > > some hot shot > > Fooled me! how so? by mentioning the fact that i've been involved with playing bass for 10 years? who cares? i only mentioned it to be taken a bit more seriously by some of the 'holier than though' folk on the list who have actually accomplished things in their musical career. i am very serious about music and i joined this list to delve deeper into it...i don't know if you are serious or just a hobbyist but it gives you no right to make judgements about me and my playing...like i said, i'm sorry if my words offended you, but there was no malice intended behind them...learn to take some criticism if you are the reason that i covered my ears at the open loop, if you are not the reason, what is your problem? > >...and if you > > are threatened by someone who has been making > music > > for an extended period of time (I'm sure that to > the > > bulk of this list, 10 years is nothing) and think > that > > that makes me think that I am better than anyone > else, > > then that is your own issue. > > Threatened? You insulted the folks that play every > week > at open loop. My point was that 10 years IS nothing. yeah, and what is your point with your point. 10 years is nothing...so? i insulted people at the open loop by saying that their were certain things that i enjoyed and certain things that i didn't enjoy...i would say that sounds more like an unbiased opinion. and how come you are the only one insulted? i spoke with others at the open loop and even mentioned that in my post...are you offended that i wasn't impressed with what you did and didn't talk to you after the open loop? a: i was in a rush...b: i don't even know who you are or what you were doing at the loop, so i'm sure i couldn't have possibly been aiming any comments your way...all that i remember is chatting with pedro and grace a bit about their setups and what they use loopers for, i remember a fretless guitar player who had very solid leadership potential, but others weren't vibing off of his lead to push things forward, and then i remember a really unique setup i saw with some delays and a tape recorder which although seemed like it could use some polishing up...was one of the most innovative things i'd seen in a while...and then there were some others playing drums...some who smiled and seemd excited to see a new face and others who gave me an odd vibe and funny looks for being there. > Music is more important to me, so I would be > insulted > when you say that the folks at open loop are not > musical. no offense, but i'm sure you'll take it...you are like an ex-girlfriend who won't let you live down a misworded comment. relax...take a deep breath and read this comment: i have no problems with the musical abilities of the open loop players and look forward to working with and learning from them. i do however question the intentions of some of the open loopers as well as other folks i've seen playing looping devices and other fancy equipment...is it about the gear or the music. you say it is about the music...okay, thank you for answering my question...discussion over. > > > > Drop an email off list and we can find a mutually > > convenient time to get together to jam or have a > > musical duel or whatever.I'm in new york as I > assume > > you are as well.and I hold no hostility towards > you, > > but your post really sparked my interest to hear > what > > you can do with your gear and your instrument(s). > > Nah...you wouldn't want to do that....us folks > at open loop are too unmusical to hang with the > likes of you. i'm sorry, who is cocky? me? rather be cocky and friendly, then stubborn and attacking... if you feel you are too unmusical to jam with others, that's cool, but if you feel up to it, i'm down...egos and cockiness aside. > > ps. I hope its okay, but I tend to play fretted > bass > > over fretless by personal choice, but I do have a > > homemade fretless with frets pulled out ala jaco > style > > (but it is a piece of crap and sounds like a toys > r' > > us bass) > > Whatever... why did you make me a challenge? you thought you were the bigger man or something? i'm down...i tend to try not to talk what i can't back up...(in case you didn't notice, now i'm being cocky)... chill out and try and be a little friendly, the world isn't such a bad place all the time. still ready to jam...seriously...no jokes, no i'm better than you...let's just jam. why fight when you can make music? if nothing else, see ya saturday at the open loop... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 18:01:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22600; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01c1eb1a$b9b97260$ef6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snooze! -----Original Message----- From: Pedro Felix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) replicate out lately. I was a studio-hermit type player for the last eight years or so and just tried to make sure that the sound was something I had played. I wasn't sure the translation would be there just for clarity's sake. i've been plucking at the guitar for 18 years now. but the last eight have taught me the most, and knowledge seems to increase the moment you realize you know nothing and are capable of anything. best, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 18:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24476; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:01:57 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008601c1eb12$7cd29a00$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01c1eb16$cee35f60$ef6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > From: "Pedro Felix" > > > btw, i'll be doing some type of "entertainment music" > > (some type of party) at Chama on Friday if anyone is > > interested in hearing some sounds. > > The Chama site shows you also playing on 4/25 Thursday? > > > darn. that's news to me and i'll have to check with Stv today, but i'm not > sure. I always like to play so what the hey. how did Sat. go? Jez fine. I got there when Tom Ritchford was still setting up. I've downsized my pedal board so I can set up in about five min. I brought a Kobe 1x12 cab and set up in the corner instead of the stage. I was all set up in a few and was soon enjoying a looped cable plug in. I think I'd like to incorporate more glitch into my future sets at open loop. I guess I played for about an hour alone then Tom played for a while ....then some new audience types showed up so I played for a 1/2 hour and then I packed up my equipment. Tom jammed with a buddy who played a Yamaha mini sequencer...Samone the Sushi Queen had a prepared cassette of material. stv jns had some way cool loops running when I left. NYC loopers! Show up! Perform! Support open loop! ...but I won't be at open loop 'til 5.11....gotta sew them darm microtones in South Ca....they don't have enough! Out on the tractor...sewing my microtones...I'm just a microtonal tycoon.... this has such a flossing vibeers..... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 18:53:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27599; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:53:20 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b201c1eb19$aa48ebe0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020423215704.9128.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" >...all that i remember is chatting with pedro > and grace a bit about their setups and what they use > loopers for, i remember a fretless guitar player who > had very solid leadership potential, but others > weren't vibing off of his lead to push things forward, That fretless guitar player was me. Not musical enough for you? ;) BTW: Pedro & GP. are amazing.....they are loopologists supreme! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 19:31:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31171; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:25:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:24:19 -0700 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: multiple instruments, multiple tracks, polyrhythm now! X-Sender-Ip: 168.100.248.157 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com friends... in the multitrack sample trigger loop field, things are brewing. a soul sampler. loopy kids playing off each other on the playscape. these manifestations are in the becoming. . but we must stay in the rhythm of their growth. trying to build something loopy from within gregorian mindset of linear expansion (aka marketing)... would be like chanting raga with a mouthfull of french fries. dontcha know? click here for the infinite thingamajig device, the latest to fix you up: http://www.angelfire.com/dc/swirlee/tp lubbin -the mercury formerly known as jan >Well, if you've got a mixer, you can plug as many instruments into a >looper as you have imputs for, but if you're looking for each >instrument >to have it's own track, then I don't think there's anything out >there >other than the Repeater for that. Unless you'd like to have >multiple >synched Echoplexes. The Echoplex is mono, as is the Repeater if >you're >using each track separately, or you can choose to use tracks in two >stereo pairs, as I do. The great thing about the Echoplex and the >Repeater is they will synch to MIDI, very nice if you're working >with >sequencers/drum machines/computers. > >Lot's more on the LD site. (see tools of the trade) >Mark Sottilaro Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 19:34:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31816; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:32:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Loop4 Release Party Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:20:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3CC5D148.E706CEFF@ernieball.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I shot video of basically the whole event - three hours' worth. I'm not > sure what will happen with the footage - we talked about putting > together a DVD, but we would probably actually MAKE money if we just put > the originals on eBay :) Stay tuned. Thank you Hans! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 20:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02019; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB3A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: what are YOU hoping to do with looping Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:58:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EB22.B6BED660" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EB22.B6BED660 Content-Type: text/plain ** okay, i'll try this one out: generally, i'd say for solo or group stuff, it comes down to trying to put in texture or groove potential into an improv situation (quartet, strio, duo, solo) - - though the grooves are, shall we say, somewhat less groove-like than something bootsy would do. i tend to do more of it when there are fewer participants - - also when things don't need to move so rapidly. try to do things that don't trap the other improvisors for long periods of time. for me, the hardest part of doing the looping thing has been to integrate it in an organic way into the way i write music (which, briefly, is along sort of a third-stream way with lots of opportunities for free improv woven into the compositions). since a lot of what i do is for improv without meter and that could *go anywhere* - - and needs to in a short time - - looping isn't always the best strategy for what i do. (i also don't always feel comfortable using effects in my writing as i'm really interested in being able to replicate the written parts *almost* exactly at any given time - - by *anyone*.) that all being said, i have at least one piece that uses looping with written stuff over the texture that's been performed a couple of times and have another that needs to be performed at some point. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. 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** okay, i'll try this one out:

generally, i'd say for solo or group stuff, it comes down= to trying to put in texture or groove potential into an improv situation (= quartet, strio, duo, solo)  - - though the grooves are, shall we say, = somewhat less groove-like than something bootsy would do. i tend to do more= of it when there are fewer participants - - also when things don't need to= move so rapidly. try to do things that don't trap the other improvisors fo= r long periods of time. 

for me, the hardest part of doing the looping thing has b= een to integrate it in an organic way into the way i write music (which, br= iefly, is along sort of a third-stream way with lots of opportunities for f= ree improv woven into the compositions). since a lot of what i do is for im= prov without meter and that could *go anywhere*  - - and needs to in a= short time - - looping isn't always the best strategy for what i do. (i al= so don't always feel comfortable using effects in my writing as i'm really = interested in being able to replicate the written parts *almost* exactly at= any given time - - by *anyone*.)

that all being said, i have at least one piece that uses = looping with written stuff over the texture that's been performed a couple = of times and have another that needs to be performed at some point. =

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EB22.B6BED660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 20:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02637; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:06:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC5F73E.EC5761E2@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:07:29 -0500 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: If You LikeTom Heasley's CD... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i love tom heasley's "where the earth meets the sky". if you enjoy this kind of music might i suggest dreamland "underwater"? i'm not entirely objective (i mixed, mastered & played on one tune) but james h sidlo & johnny rodriguez have created a wonderful stream-of-consciousness ambient soundscape, at times comparable to robert rich's sleep concert music. you can check it out @: http://dogfingers.com/catalog.html# thanks! bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 20:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03922; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:30:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC5FCA3.2F7EE206@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:30:34 -0500 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what are YOU hoping to do with looping References: <20020423203717.80685.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i like looping because it makes me dizzy. i like being dizzy. codeine makes me dizzy. i like codeine. ergo, looping is a narcotic. i like narcotics. the gear is just utilitarian. bobdog Evan Meyers wrote: > > ** re people talking more about gear. i think it > > comes down to the fact that > > it's easier to do that - - it's less subjective than > > music is. (i've tried > > to get people to talk about music and what they want > > to with looping or what > > they see themselves "becoming" in terms of the gear > > and have not really > > gotten too many answers.) > > > > stig > > > > let's try this one instead...being that several folks > have shown me that this debate is like debating > religion or the existence of god...there just is no > right answser...just a belief/opinion system... > > i'll give it a shot... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 22:56:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11727; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:50:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ee01c1eb3a$4bba0fc0$6501a8c0@pcii.net> From: "Bob Smith" To: Subject: Jamman Upgrades Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:46:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C1EB10.62B94E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C1EB10.62B94E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. Anybody got a spare memory upgrade lying around? 2. What ever happened to the ROM upgrade proposed in 97? 3. Anybody tried using one of the new small multitracks as a looper = (Zoom PS04 etc)? Bob ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C1EB10.62B94E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1. Anybody got a spare memory upgrade = lying=20 around?
2. What ever happened to the ROM = upgrade proposed=20 in 97?
3. Anybody tried using one of the new = small=20 multitracks as a looper (Zoom PS04 etc)? Bob
------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C1EB10.62B94E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 23:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13638; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:07:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:07:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Sashjo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:06:35 EDT Subject: Re: Jamman Upgrades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a jamman upgrade i'd sell for $40. let me know if you are interested. josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 23:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14914; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:42:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:42:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c1eb1a$b9b97260$ef6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01c1eb1a$b9b97260$ef6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:40:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Musicality, gear traps, and mud Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What a long thread. Can't read it all. Some comments off the top of my head (until I get back to the looping Nord Modular and sampler that are playing on my studio monitors). I ofttimes think the biggest trap in the gear business is the temptation to spring for a new piece of gear instead of working better with what you have. This hits hard for me, as I juggle two demanding artforms (music and video), a demanding, (albeit interesting) day gig, and the rest of my life. However, context matters -- to my own (admittedly biased) ears, my music took a quantum leap for the better after purchasing a Nord Mod last year. I can't tell if Evan's complaints about knob twiddling are complaints about the lack of more 'direct' physical activity, or complaints about the lack (to his ears, anyway) of musicality in the results. A lot of the music I've been making lately involves setting up a complex evolving system (usually each of 4 slots of the Nord looping independently and sometimes passed into echo devices), and tweaking gently. I can relate to Evan's comments about mud when six loopers were improvising collectively. Even with non-looping instruments, six free improvisers often turn to mud unless they come with very big ears. Indeed, when I do duet jams in my studio, I can see how easy it is for two free improvisers to create mud when looping electronics are involved. (Oftimes, one is sufficient(-;) -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 23 23:48:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15341; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:47:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:46:43 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Niche Automation products blow-out X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, eventide-users@egroups.com, eventidehelps@yahoogroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those needing a set of MIDI faders at a reasonable price, I'd like to alert you all to a discontinued product blow-out on audioMIDI.com. http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=1789 The Automation Station has sixteen 60mm MIDI faders, sixteen buttons, and four MIDI rotary pots. All are programmable to a reasonable extent. The Automation Station was one of the first MIDI fader controllers with more than eight faders. It was designed primarily to control the 8-channel Niche Audio Control Module (ACM). Both units have been out of production for some years, and now the remaining stock is being liquidated at $149.00 for either unit. I already have a FaderMaster and a Peavey PC1600, and they're both fine. The one thing I like about the Niche is that each of the sixteen buttons has a status LED (with the PC1600 you can't visually tell what state the buttons are in). Be aware that you won't be able to do a bunch of fancy sysex programming with this unit, but if you need to send a bunch of controller messages this is a cost-effective solution. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 01:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22077; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:38:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:37:51 -0700 Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002901c1eb09$4cfa7540$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Message-Id: <6ADC63D6-5745-11D6-9C57-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <6bb-LB.A.PXF.GTkx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Meyers" > > >> Perplexed at the hostility and challenge, but >> accepting. >> evan >> evanmeyers@yahoo.com >> Why so perplexed? You cut down an open performance. By definition, that means anyone can play. The good thing about that is that all levels are welcome. Also, that kind of forum is a great place to experiment and try things out. Why bother cutting people down? Now if you went to a traditional gig where you payed money and didn't like it, well sure, give a review if you must. Perhaps they're all very musical at open loop, and your idea of music is very narrow. Hard for me to say, as I've never heard a NYC open loop. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 02:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25036; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:02:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:02:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:01:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Musicality, gear traps, and mud Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-518726781 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-518726781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 08:40 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: > I ofttimes think the biggest trap in the gear business is the > temptation to spring for a new piece of gear instead of working better > with what you have. This hits hard for me, as I juggle two demanding > artforms (music and video), a demanding, (albeit interesting) day gig, > and the rest of my life. However, context matters -- to my own > (admittedly biased) ears, my music took a quantum leap for the better > after purchasing a Nord Mod last year. > Amen to that brother. I tend to fall into that one myself. I also tend to, because of monetary considerations, end up buying what I can afford at the time, rather than what I really want. I forgo the better for the immediate. While sometimes frustrating, I also sometimes find cool stuff that can be done when pushing the gear past what it's designed to do. More importantly, I'M UP AND RUNNING. So, I might not have "the best and greatest" but I'm out in the world playing. That's important. Also, I've realized that I'm just damn inspired by in interesting piece of gear, as I am with a good instrument. I'd go as far as to say there's no difference between my guitar and my rack. It's all part of the system that has become my instrument. I'm not even sure where I end and it begins anymore either. Yesterday I watched our pal Rick Walker play a show. One of the pieces was him JUST TWEAKING KNOBS while the soloist (a flute) played. It was damn good, and I challenge ANYONE on this list to say it wasn't musical, or that Rick is capable of being anything but musical. Mark Sottilaro We know others to the extent that we know ourselves. --Apple-Mail-1-518726781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 08:40 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: I ofttimes think the biggest trap in the gear business is the temptation to spring for a new piece of gear instead of working better with what you have. This hits hard for me, as I juggle two demanding artforms (music and video), a demanding, (albeit interesting) day gig, and the rest of my life. However, context matters -- to my own (admittedly biased) ears, my music took a quantum leap for the better after purchasing a Nord Mod last year. Amen to that brother. I tend to fall into that one myself. I also tend to, because of monetary considerations, end up buying what I can afford at the time, rather than what I really want. I forgo the better for the immediate. While sometimes frustrating, I also sometimes find cool stuff that can be done when pushing the gear past what it's designed to do. More importantly, I'M UP AND RUNNING. So, I might not have "the best and greatest" but I'm out in the world playing. That's important. Also, I've realized that I'm just damn inspired by in interesting piece of gear, as I am with a good instrument. I'd go as far as to say there's no difference between my guitar and my rack. It's all part of the system that has become my instrument. I'm not even sure where I end and it begins anymore either. Yesterday I watched our pal Rick Walker play a show. One of the pieces was him JUST TWEAKING KNOBS while the soloist (a flute) played. It was damn good, and I challenge ANYONE on this list to say it wasn't musical, or that Rick is capable of being anything but musical. Mark Sottilaro We know others to the extent that we know ourselves.Times New Roman --Apple-Mail-1-518726781-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 03:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29343; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: c.jas@optusnet.com.au Message-Id: <200204240747.g3O7l8i14664@mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:47:08 +1000 Subject: Loop IV info please Resent-Message-ID: <4v4ygB.A.MKH.BMmx8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm still deciding, buy and Echoplex, or a Repeater. What is the advantage of the new 'Loop IV' uprrade?? It may help me to decide. thanks, Loop on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 09:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13552; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c1eb8f$796509c0$6501a8c0@pcii.net> From: "Bob Smith" To: References: Subject: Re: Jamman Upgrades Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:56:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sold! How do I pay you? I'm: Dr. Bob Smith PO Box 154 Cassville, WI, 53806 608-725-2149 Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 09:28:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14426; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "allison carvalho" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:19:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2002 13:19:12.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FC190E0:01C1EB92] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone- I'm debating what to buy- I don't have the cash to buy a nice sampler like the Gibson Echoplex or the Repeater unfortunately. I would like to do droning loops (with stereo ins and outs) with a simple delay/sampler- I'm looking for something without any feeback degradaion (for at least 10 mins) and without "bumps" in the repeat of the signal. Mostly this will be used for droning ebow + guitar music. Any ideas? I'm seeing the positive reports on the old Lexicon Vortex and was wondering if it would fit this bill. Thanks again as always Alli _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 11:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25798; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:47:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:47:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1eba7$284a2c60$85e45cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #265 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:43:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #265 April 18, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Saul Stokes, a synthesist who builds his own instruments and feels that live performance is where his music is best created. The Featured CD at midnight was "Washed in Mercury" on the Hypnos label. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "X" by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. I played the music of Eric Wollo who will be at the Gathering on April 27. I also played music by artists who appeared at the Space for Music festival in Nashville, Tennessee. Saul Stokes http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#apr Eric Wollo http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze George Traki X (Brain) Hemisphere Point Two Attachment X (Groove) Synergy Relay Breakdown Reconstructed Artifacts (Third Contact) Eric Wollo Sea Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Eric Wollo Open Land Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) VA [Under the Dome] Launch Hampshire Jam Preserved Robert Rich & Ian Boddy State of Flux Outpost (DiN) VA [Robert Rich] Guitar Harmonics Basic Space (Space for Music) Zero Ohms and The Dream Garden Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane (Space for Music) 12:00 am Saul Stokes We Found It at Io Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Deep in the Grass Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) Saul Stokes The Tunnel Twins Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Zona Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Kasei Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Clearing Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Sweet Paraffin Washed in Mercury (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the the month-long focus on Saul Stokes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Edge of the Forest" self-released by the artist in handmade wooden boxes. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Apollo Atmospheres and Soundtracks" by Brian Eno on the Editions E.G. label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 11:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25514; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424154523.90262.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: a note to david from evan - request for ny musicians to get together to make music! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b201c1eb19$aa48ebe0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...all that i remember is chatting with pedro > and grace a bit about their setups and what they use > loopers for, i remember a fretless guitar player who > had very solid leadership potential, but others > weren't vibing off of his lead to push things forward, >That fretless guitar player was me. Not musical enough >for you? ;) okay, now I know who you are…actually my comments were more geared around the fact that you were trying to create a communication link and progress/evolve a jam into something musical and structured while others were just making noise on top (which there is nothing wrong with – but makes me question whether or not people are just playing with buttons or trying to make music in the first place…because I’m not interested in getting together to push buttons…I am VERY interested in getting together to see how and what kind of music people are making with this gear and to learn and teach through playing and watching). Every time you would let go of any kind of structure, the full sound would get lost in a chaotic mesh of unsynched loops and several locals from the area were gathering outside peering in looking for aliens (which was quite entertaining). You did some pretty cool things and from what I’ve seen (which wasn’t much), you can play and I’d call your end product music…however, from what I’ve seen (which still isn’t much), I don’t understand why you have such a huge chip on your shoulder and made such hostile comments towards my playing which you’ve never heard. I am very impressed with your use of fretless guitar as I am a big fan and supporter of anyone trying to do something different. And to be totally and completely honest…from what I saw/heard you do (which may or may not be a good representation of what you are capable of) I don’t know where you get off thinking that you are the end all and have the right to assume that you are more or less musically inclined than I or anyone else on this list is…and at this point, I know that you don’t care about my opinion or views because you have already written me off as some clueless person who knows nothing about music (which is the impression that you’ve given me from your posts on the subject), but I’m still ready and willing to jam with you and put all of this bs behind us for the sake of making music…but again, the ball is in your court on that one. And to anyone in NY area, I am still gathering names to try and pool together gear/gearless…whatever jam sessions because after all, music is or should be the bottom line and the general consensus from list and off list replies that I’ve received, it seems that a bunch of people are ready to put tastes and opinions aside to make some music. >BTW: Pedro & GP. are amazing.....they are > loopologists supreme! Which I too picked up and was why I spoke to them. I believe I even chatted with you for a moment or two about your setup, but I still don’t understand the hostility. So do you forgive me for my off-color honest comments about what I’ve seen in and out of performances with members of this list and not of this list (which had no bearing on your playing whatsoever) or am I still just an ass in your book? Either way, I could care less how you feel about me, but I’d like to be able to have my bassist personality hook up with your fretless guitar personality to make music (we don’t even need to say hello or goodbye or shake hands or anything…we can just plug in and go…and then pack up and go home after jamming) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 12:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28509; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424160204.95976.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01c1eb1a$b9b97260$ef6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > just for clarity's sake. i've been plucking at the > guitar for 18 years now. 18 years...that is nothing! what do you think you are some sort of demi-god or something? when i see you play guitar, you better bust out your upside down strung start and play like hendrix! sorry, couldn't help myself...satire is the best way to really laugh at ourselves! > but the last eight have taught me the most, and > knowledge seems to increase > the moment you realize you know nothing and are > capable of anything. > brilliantly stated. loopin' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 12:19:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29386; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424161328.68326.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB33@mitorexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > this issue is always gonna create some friction. > > i think the problem is that one person's "musicality" can be another > person's "lame-ass crap." Music is inherently subjective. To one person John Zorn was a brilliant artist, to another, he just made noise. Added to the subjectivity the fact that many of us in the looping community are doing "music" that's not too conventional and we're probably always open to the criticism that what we do "just isn't music". To the person who's grid only contains the verse-chorus-bridge pop song, virtually everything I attempt to do would be "crap" or "background noise". > someone can think that he/she is exploring interesting new sonic > frontiers > or methods of musical creation and another will think that it's just > mindless wanking. I totally agree. > also, my reading of the initial post leads me to feel that there are > two contradictory wishes: one is that evan wants people to really > "delve" into > the gear in a "meaningful way," two is that he felt bummed when he > saw people "twiddling knobs" - - which sounds a lot like people > delving into > their gear and "playing it like an instrument." maybe they are doing > it, but the results don't work for you (?). That's what it sounds like to me. As far as where I land on the "gear vs music" scale. My approach to my personal music is almost entirely intuitive. I use gear to give me inspiring sounds and textures and to provide me a background to further inspire further improvisation. So, to a person who prefers a fixed compositional approach or a pop song approach, what I do may not be appealing. I feed off of playing to other sounds, so having a background is important to keep me from playing the "same old things". I like playing with other musicians, but it's hard collecting the right people to do something unorthadox, and they aren't often available to fit in my busy schedule. So, in the absense of like-minded musicians who happen to be at my house whenever I happen to have a spare hour or so (usually unplanned), a Repeater gives me the opportunity to do something I enjoy and to create something I wouldn't have if I hadn't had something to play over. I don't buy gear to "have gear", it's not a status symbol to me. Other then the Repeater, my entire looping guitar rig was thrown together out of stuff I had laying around and things friends gave me. I'm in the process of refining the gear I'm using based on what I've learned about what I like and what inspires me. I can't objectively say whether what I do is "good music" or not. Based on Evan's comments, it sounds like what I do probably wouldn't be very interesting to him. That's ok. I got into this with the clear understanding that what I'm doing wouldn't have a wide audience. This allows me the freedom to make whatever music/noise that I make without worrying about what anyone else thinks of it. I believe in my heart that if I like it, then there are probably other people out there somewhere who would also like it, but I don't have any expectation that most people would. So far, this has proven to be a true acessment of the situation. Of the people I've played my music for (other musicians), most have been fairly uninterested, but one of my friends was VERY excieted about it. He even wanted to get involved. I truly love doing it, and that's what's most important to me right now. If it can appeal to someone else on the same level, it's all the more wonderful. At some point, I will probably seek an audience (in Robert Fripp's words "subject myself to public ridicule" ), but for now, I'm content to make noises in my basement. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 12:20:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29694; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424161549.35264.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:15:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: a note to david from evan - request for ny musicians to get together to make music! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020424154523.90262.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com euh*`~^~<{|::=%+-.. so this is where I am. i'm down with gettin together to jam with a few folks in various ways. right now i'd like to do a duo series type thing at Chama for my running Thursday series. invite one person to play a bit at every other Thurs, and if it becomes interesting doing same every week. I just need to firm some things up. but, or and, I want to play with folks in other ways, at reh. spaces and such. I can either play straight electric-no fx, or with my dlys. or just dly/glitches or busted 6 string nylon. so i'm pretty open. i'm really open to ideas as I haven't firmed all this with Stv, so er, any thoughts? best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 Evan - wanna jam a bit next Thurs.? --- Evan Meyers wrote: > >...all that i remember is chatting with pedro > > and grace a bit about their setups and what they > use > > loopers for, i remember a fretless guitar player > who > > had very solid leadership potential, but others > > weren't vibing off of his lead to push things > forward, > > >That fretless guitar player was me. Not musical __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 12:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30466; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:26:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:26:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424162601.51334.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020424160204.95976.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snaps~ --- Evan Meyers wrote: > > just for clarity's sake. i've been plucking at the > > guitar for 18 years now. > > 18 years...that is nothing! what do you think you > are> some sort of demi-god or something? when i see you> play guitar, you better bust out your upside down > strung start and play like hendrix! > > sorry, couldn't help myself...satire is the best way > to really laugh at ourselves! > ah, man, tell me about it. that's pretty fugged up. i'm just putting on Electric Ladyland! :) at John Dewey HS, when I was 15/16, I used to play the acoustics behind my back. Mr Solotoff (we called him "Mr. Notsotuff") had the class doing A pentatonic minor, and I had already been jamming out three note per string extended fingerings. they hated me! now, i'd probably drop the gtr. and have to incorporate it in the loop~~ bestest, Pedro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 12:46:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31343; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:44:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424164353.94741.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6ADC63D6-5745-11D6-9C57-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Why so perplexed? You cut down an open performance. By definition, >that means anyone can play. The good thing about that is that all >levels are welcome. Also, that kind of forum is a great place to >experiment and try things out. I agree and although I didn’t realize how sensitive members of this list are, does honest criticism/questioning warrant a hostile attack geared at my musical abilities which were not put on display even at an open jam? Does it warrant a musical challenge (which I accepted being one who enjoys arguing and trys not to talk what I can’t back up)? Does it warrant an individual attack posted to a list for everyone to read (in the days when we argue about private emails being posted to the list)? I don’t think so. My original post obviously came across as me bashing the individual musicians involved which isn’t the case at all…I was questioning/bashing the intentions of the open jam (to an extent). I made some comments with the goal of finding out what the intentions are of list members using the gear…are you looking to have devices that create controlled noise? Are you looking to use these tools to expand what you as an individual musician can create alone? Or not really sure what your intentions are, but you are having a damn fun time pushing buttons and turning nobs while trying to figure them out? I joined this list because their isn’t much venue for people to discuss this gear and if you’ve ever mentioned anything more in depth than the words ‘midi compatible’ to a salesperson at most stores, you get some sort of confused expression and then watch a salesman try and bluff their way through selling a piece of expensive gear that all they know about is what is written on the box. I was trying to find out who I’m dealing with? I’ve been very impressed with the knowledge exchange and wanted to know if this is a group of musicians or just a group of audiophiles or both. Before joining this list, I searched out info on this kind of stuff through other sources, but was lead here as this is pretty much the best place for this kind of information that I’ve come across…and every venue that I explored left me looking for more whether it be knowledge about gear or examples of practicle use (and I use that term loosely). I don’t recall bashing any specific musician or musicians at the loop or even outside of the loop (but I can be wrong…if anyone still has my original post, please send it to me off list – maybe I did say some mean things…at this point I don’t even remember what I wrote), but I did have a complaint that it seemed to me that most of what I’ve seen is musicians (and I use that term even looser) who seem far more concerned with their rigs and buttons than with their music…if people took my general complaint as a personal stab at them, then maybe that says something about their views of what they are doing…and maybe these individuals should be more concerned about how they feel about their art then how others feel about it. I’m sure that almost all ground breaking artists encountered people who didn’t get their art or didn’t like it…but they pressed forward and found their audience. Several people in my life don’t get my music, but then there are plenty of others who actually really enjoy it and find it inspiring…but I know what I’m trying to do and some criticism that I receive has no bearing to me at all, but other types of criticism make me step back and re-evaluate what I’m doing (it depends on the critic and what/how they are critiquing what I do). I’m sorry that folks got offended, but an important part of being an artist is being able to hear constructive criticism and accept those comments that you feel are valid while ignoring those comments that you feel are missing the point you are trying to get across. > Why bother cutting people down? Now if my point exactly…but I think that you have missed the fact that I’m really the one getting directly and deliberately attacked for my opinions. David is getting cut down because he read my post and took it personally. Sorry, but I didn’t say anything about david or about the fretless guitar player (who are the same person) that should have been taken the wrong way…but after seeing his response bashing my opinions and abilities (which he still has not heard), I’m tempted to tear apart his playing and compare him to the people who I look at as ground breaking artists (maybe that’ll knock the chip off of his shoulder). >you went to a traditional gig where you payed money and didn't like it, >well sure, give a review if you must. I wasn’t reviewing the open loop…just posing questions and thoughts about it… >Perhaps they're all very musical at open loop, and your idea of music >is >very narrow. Perhaps…and I would go out and say that on individual levels, I did hear a lot of incredible ideas and playing ability, but as a whole, I heard a lot of noise and every now and then some actual musical connection between musicians. My idea of music is only as narrow as you perceive it to be (apparently)… > Hard for me to say, as I've never heard a NYC open loop. So, like david (on the topic of my abilities), are you commenting on something that you have no bearings on? Are you cutting down my opinions? Should I take this personally? Still believing in one’s right to have an opinion and express it no matter what the popular consensus is and eagerly awaiting all of the bashing on my playing once someone from the list actually hears it… evan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 13:22:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03175; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:20:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c1ebb4$0e0788e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:18:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6enud.A.tw.Ykux8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Vortex does not have enough delay time IMO for what you prob want to do- The Akai Headrush might be a great way to go. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "allison carvalho" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: delay question / Vortex? > Hi Everyone- > > I'm debating what to buy- I don't have the cash to buy a nice sampler like > the Gibson Echoplex or the Repeater unfortunately. > > I would like to do droning loops (with stereo ins and outs) with a simple > delay/sampler- I'm looking for something without any feeback degradaion (for > at least 10 mins) and without "bumps" in the repeat of the signal. Mostly > this will be used for droning ebow + guitar music. > > Any ideas? I'm seeing the positive reports on the old Lexicon Vortex and was > wondering if it would fit this bill. > > Thanks again as always > > Alli > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 13:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03364; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:20:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:20:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424171959.84074.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nathan Bannow wrote: > Had the loopers you witnessed been practicing together on that on > instrument > (read: instrument + loopers + other gear) for over 10 years? I think it's closer to 20 years for Phish! I'm not a big fan, but I remember hearing a live recording of them playing on the radio as I was driving from Nevada to North Carolina in 1985. They apparently already had a following at that time. > The reason > Phish sounds so tight *together*, is because they have played > *together* so > much. They know how to communicate with each other using a meta > language of the music that they are actually playing! > > I have NEVER heard a jam as cohesive as a Phish jam (post '94 let's > say), at an open jam night. Tbis is a really good point. You get a lot more cohesive the longer you play with the same people. Plus, when you form a band, hopefully you find people who you musically "click" with. That gives you a big kickstart toward musical communication. I've played with a lot of people over the years, and only a where things just really clicked. Beyond that, even looping my own stuff, I've noticed how easy it is to overdo it. The temptation is to play really full parts, but then when it comes back around for the next overdub, there's no space to play anything else in. Restraint and listening are always important musical skills, but I think even moreso when looping, since things accumulate so quickly. The other thing is musical synchronization. The few times I've jammed with people while doing looping, I noticed that random jamming didn't work. I was the only one looping, and it was important that the other musicians listened and followed the loop, since I couldn't adjust it to fit what they were doing. It's like playing to seqenced or prerecorded tracks, you have to fit yourself to them, 'cause they aren't going to change. I would imagine this would become much more difficult if you had multiple people with looping devices playing away. If someone makes a timing mistake while recording their loop, it's not going to stay in synch with someone else's loop (midi/cv synch methods aside). So I could easily see an open jam with looping devices getting out of control, even with highly talented and experienced musicians involved. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 13:26:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03906; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424172350.71634.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008601c1eb12$7cd29a00$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipz~ --- David Beardsley wrote: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04645; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:42:49 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001301c1ebb7$73c027c0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020424172350.71634.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > snipz~ > --- David Beardsley wrote: > > D - > > sounds like fun was had. I missed the Queen, darn! > "switched on glitch", sounds like a good working > title. > loop 'em down in cali. > > tweaked*Pedro* Thanks! I'll post details about my LA trip later today.... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 14:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07602; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c1ebbb$37ed6100$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: If You LikeTom Heasley's CD... Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:09:47 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another good suggestion is Stuart Dempster's "Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel" (which Tom recommended to me) and which sounds like him - except that it took ten trombonists and a two million gallon water tank to do it. ;o) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > i love tom heasley's "where the earth meets the sky". > > if you enjoy this kind of music might i suggest dreamland "underwater"? > > i'm not entirely objective (i mixed, mastered & played on one tune) but > james h sidlo & johnny rodriguez have created a wonderful > stream-of-consciousness ambient soundscape, at times comparable to > robert rich's sleep concert music. > > you can check it out @: > > http://dogfingers.com/catalog.html# > > thanks! > > bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 14:26:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08858; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:24:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:24:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c1ebbd$24dd1720$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:23:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Boss RC-20 Loopstation is another possibility- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "allison carvalho" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:19 AM Subject: delay question / Vortex? > Hi Everyone- > > I'm debating what to buy- I don't have the cash to buy a nice sampler like > the Gibson Echoplex or the Repeater unfortunately. > > I would like to do droning loops (with stereo ins and outs) with a simple > delay/sampler- I'm looking for something without any feeback degradaion (for > at least 10 mins) and without "bumps" in the repeat of the signal. Mostly > this will be used for droning ebow + guitar music. > > Any ideas? I'm seeing the positive reports on the old Lexicon Vortex and was > wondering if it would fit this bill. > > Thanks again as always > > Alli > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 14:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08931; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:26:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:26:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:25:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBBD.6F09E3F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBBD.6F09E3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is probably the best post I have read on this list. Right on the money for each point! -----Original Message----- From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) --- Nathan Bannow wrote: > Had the loopers you witnessed been practicing together on that on > instrument > (read: instrument + loopers + other gear) for over 10 years? I think it's closer to 20 years for Phish! I'm not a big fan, but I remember hearing a live recording of them playing on the radio as I was driving from Nevada to North Carolina in 1985. They apparently already had a following at that time. > The reason > Phish sounds so tight *together*, is because they have played > *together* so > much. They know how to communicate with each other using a meta > language of the music that they are actually playing! > > I have NEVER heard a jam as cohesive as a Phish jam (post '94 let's > say), at an open jam night. Tbis is a really good point. You get a lot more cohesive the longer you play with the same people. Plus, when you form a band, hopefully you find people who you musically "click" with. That gives you a big kickstart toward musical communication. I've played with a lot of people over the years, and only a where things just really clicked. Beyond that, even looping my own stuff, I've noticed how easy it is to overdo it. The temptation is to play really full parts, but then when it comes back around for the next overdub, there's no space to play anything else in. Restraint and listening are always important musical skills, but I think even moreso when looping, since things accumulate so quickly. The other thing is musical synchronization. The few times I've jammed with people while doing looping, I noticed that random jamming didn't work. I was the only one looping, and it was important that the other musicians listened and followed the loop, since I couldn't adjust it to fit what they were doing. It's like playing to seqenced or prerecorded tracks, you have to fit yourself to them, 'cause they aren't going to change. I would imagine this would become much more difficult if you had multiple people with looping devices playing away. If someone makes a timing mistake while recording their loop, it's not going to stay in synch with someone else's loop (midi/cv synch methods aside). So I could easily see an open jam with looping devices getting out of control, even with highly talented and experienced musicians involved. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBBD.6F09E3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud)

This is probably the best post I have read on this list. Right on the money for each point!

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud)



--- Nathan Bannow <Nathan@giza.com> wrote:

> Had the loopers you witnessed been practicing together on that on
> instrument
> (read: instrument + loopers + other gear) for over 10 years? 

I think it's closer to 20 years for Phish! I'm not a big fan, but I
remember hearing a live recording of them playing on the radio as I was
 driving from Nevada to North Carolina in 1985. They apparently already
had a following at that time.

> The reason
> Phish sounds so tight *together*, is because they have played
> *together* so
> much.  They know how to communicate with each other using a meta
> language of the music that they are actually playing!
>
> I have NEVER heard a jam as cohesive as a Phish jam (post '94 let's
> say), at an open jam night.

Tbis is a really good point. You get a lot more cohesive the longer you
play with the same people. Plus, when you form a band, hopefully you
find people who you musically "click" with. That gives you a big
kickstart toward musical communication. I've played with a lot of
people over the years, and only a where things just really clicked.

Beyond that, even looping my own stuff, I've noticed how easy it is to
overdo it. The temptation is to play really full parts, but then when
it comes back around for the next overdub, there's no space to play
anything else in. Restraint and listening are always important musical
skills, but I think even moreso when looping, since things accumulate
so quickly.

The other thing is musical synchronization. The few times I've jammed
with people while doing looping, I noticed that random jamming didn't
work. I was the only one looping, and it was important that the other
musicians listened and followed the loop, since I couldn't adjust it to
fit what they were doing. It's like playing to seqenced or prerecorded
tracks, you have to fit yourself to them, 'cause they aren't going to
change. I would imagine this would become much more difficult if you
had multiple people with looping devices playing away. If someone makes
a timing mistake while recording their loop, it's not going to stay in
synch with someone else's loop (midi/cv synch methods aside). So I
could easily see an open jam with looping devices getting out of
control, even with highly talented and experienced musicians involved.

Greg


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBBD.6F09E3F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 14:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09976; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:38:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:38:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "allison carvalho" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:34:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2002 18:34:07.0864 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E80CF80:01C1EBBE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks! I just checked the headrush and it seems far better- if you have one, do you know if the boundries are "seamless". IE- you play a drone with an ebow and the loop will repeat without a bump in the sound? It's what I want it for the most. Alli _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 14:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10725; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c1ebc0$029ee320$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:43:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never used one- just Jam Man, EDP, and Repeater- the most important thing is user technique- it is best to fade out, end loop, then overdub a fade in accross the boundary- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "allison carvalho" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? > thanks! > > I just checked the headrush and it seems far better- if you have one, do you > know if the boundries are "seamless". IE- you play a drone with an ebow and > the loop will repeat without a bump in the sound? It's what I want it for > the most. > > Alli > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 14:54:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11449; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:52:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:52:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c1eb8e$b09eb900$10f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:51:00 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "do you know if the boundries are "seamless". IE- you play a drone with an ebow and the loop will repeat without a bump in the sound?" yes, can be done...probably very easy with an ebow. i use an echoplex now, but still have my akai and when i'd just do plain soundscape-esque stuff, i set the unit for "delay" rather than "loop" because the loop features collects hiss as each successive layer is added. with the delay time tapped in, go ahead and activate the pedal...uh...turn it on and fade in your drone tone. this will eliminate a "bump", unlike picking and having the note slowly diminish. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 15:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13943; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:03:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:03:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "allison carvalho" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:01:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2002 19:01:37.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[75ACB480:01C1EBC2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh- I'm sorry about my last post, but I wanted to get a stereo in and out looper. I still think that the Vortex would accomplish what I need but if there is anyone with knowledge about this device I would really appreciate any help. I'm using a guitar synth and want to combine the stereo effects of the synth with the stereo effects of a looper, but again, the EDP and Repeaters are just too much for me to get into right now. Basically (the funny part), I am getting this thing for one peice of music (!) The peice requires a single note e-bow drone (for 10 minutes- no degradation) over which choir-like chords are played after the drone is set. Even though the Vortex has a small delay time, I was hoping that could be pull this effect off with it, by playing the low drone, turning the loop on at the volume peak of the drone, and then relasing the loop without any attack. The question then becomes the all important bump issue- is there any? If there are any Vortex users out there who could tell me if it is possible to do what I'm asking - I would really appreciate it. I can't try one, and there are few things written on this group and on the web about it's looping ability in regards to drones. Again, thank you for your invaluble droning input ;) Alli _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 15:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16281; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:29:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:31:54 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: LA Loop spam from the East! To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <003301c1ebc6$b173e8e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be Southern California performing a few shows next week. Information below.... As a member of Jon Catler's Evolution Ensemble, I be looping during the first movement while the rest of the band plays their melodies. And for my solo spot at Highland Grounds I use loops to solo over. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ****************** 2nd ANNUAL WORLD OUT OF TUNE (W.O.O.T.) FESTIVAL presents a series of performances in Natural Harmonic Series Tuning May 1 - 4, 2002 - in Los Angeles Wednesdays @ One Series at UCR Wednesday, May 1st, 1 - 2pm (afternoon) at UC Riverside Campus, Arts Building room 157, Riverside, CA contact info: 909-787-2176 or email rcoulomb@citrus.ucr.edu Jon Catler's EVOLUTION FOR ELECTRIC GUITAR AND ORCHESTRA ...."an experience in the transformative powers of resonance." featuring the NYC Evolution Ensemble (Jon Catler, Meredith Borden, David Beardsley, Neville L' Green, Jon Mattox) Saturday, May 4th at Highland Grounds, L.A. 742 N. Highland Avenue (btwn Melrose and Santa Monica) Hollywood, CA club contact: 323-466-1507 Admission: $10 (plus one drink minimum) website: http://www.highlandgrounds.com Featuring the following artists from New York and Los Angeles: 8pm - VOICE OF THE BOWED GUITAR - Rod Poole 9pm - SWALLOW - electrifying Harmonic Series rock band with Jon Catler, 62-Tone Just Intonation and Fretless guitars Meredith Borden, Vocals Neville L' Green, Fretless bass Jon Mattox, Drums (special guest artist from L.A.) 10pm - ENSEMBLE OF THIRTY-ONE BIRDS - Kraig Grady, Erin Barnes, Geoff Brandin 11pm - DAVID BEARDSLEY - solo 62-Tone Just Intonation guitar (above show times are approximate) FOR MORE W.O.O.T. INFO CONTACT 323-463-0839 or visit http://www.microtones.com/woot or http://Anaphoria.com ***Also check out the Micro-Fest in LA May 10 - 26 at Pamona College, Pacific Asia Museum and Pierce College for more microtonal music! ***Stay tuned for W.O.O.T. concerts in Boston, Baltimore and NYC in October 2002! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 15:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16637; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:29:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2002 19:29:49.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[667721E0:01C1EBC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Vortex is a great processor, and I love mine to death but you need to keep in mind that even with both its delays running in series I believe it has less than 2 seconds of delay time. I'm not sure if the Headrush is stereo or not, but have you looked at the Line6 DL4? It is stereo in and out has a decent amount of loop time. Most of the "bumps" when you loop can be lessened with subtle recording techniques on most looping devices. Good luck. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 15:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17269; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:22 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Niche Automation products blow-out In-reply-to: <002801c1eb55$fbd9ff80$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Scott McGregor Moore , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <002801c1eb55$fbd9ff80$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:05 AM -0400 4/24/02, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >Can the buttons send out MIDI notes? Yes. Buttons can be programmed to send Controller, Program, Pressure, Pitch Bend, Song, Pattern, Start, Stop, and Continue messages. Faders can be programmed to send Controller and Pitch Bend messages. Knobs can be programmed to send Controller and Pitch Bend messages. >Also - can the 'null' function be turned off? I'm quite used to nulling my >sliders myself so what I see is the actual fader reading. Faders can be temporarily disabled so that they can be manually lined up with external values. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 15:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17651; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Drones Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:37:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00a801c1ebbd$24dd1720$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Isn't the Boss RC-20 Loopstation another one that has problems with "bumps"? I'm starting to use my GT-3 for drones--built in expression pedal makes seamless easier--under two seconds but that's longer enough for drones . . . It is also only mono in but does have stereo outs. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? The Boss RC-20 Loopstation is another possibility- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "allison carvalho" > Hi Everyone- > > I'm debating what to buy- I don't have the cash to buy a nice sampler like > the Gibson Echoplex or the Repeater unfortunately. > I would like to do droning loops (with stereo ins and outs) with a simple > delay/sampler- I'm looking for something without any feeback degradaion >(for at least 10 mins) and without "bumps" in the repeat of the signal. Mostly > this will be used for droning ebow + guitar music. > Any ideas? I'm seeing the positive reports on the old Lexicon Vortex and was wondering if it would fit this bill. > Thanks again as always >> Alli From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 15:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18811; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:48:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:48:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC70BD6.3C24D344@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:47:05 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good question, I don't use it that way, as I've got a JamMan and a Repeater. Both do a fair job at doing seamless loops. I've read that the Repeater will make a slight audio artifact at the begining of a loop, but franky I just don't here it, and I often do "soundscape" type music. Good luck in your quest. Mark allison carvalho wrote: > thanks! > > I just checked the headrush and it seems far better- if you have one, do you > know if the boundries are "seamless". IE- you play a drone with an ebow and > the loop will repeat without a bump in the sound? It's what I want it for > the most. > > Alli > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 15:53:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19038; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:51:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:51:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c1ebc9$7b88c7c0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:51:53 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For a cheap stereo looping system - try 2 DOD D12s (The last stock was blown out cheaply so they should be affordable used.) Use them in Delay mode at the full 12 seconds with the feedback up and they should maintain for 10 minutes. On loopers that can't go straight into overdub mode from record - just record an empty loop - then go into overdub mode and you won't have to worry about 'bumps' or 'clicks' - particularly if you fade in and out. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "allison carvalho" To: Sent: Wednesday, 24 April, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? > Oh- > > I'm sorry about my last post, but I wanted to get a stereo in and out > looper. I still think that the Vortex would accomplish what I need but if > there is anyone with knowledge about this device I would really appreciate > any help. I'm using a guitar synth and want to combine the stereo effects of > the synth with the stereo effects of a looper, but again, the EDP and > Repeaters are just too much for me to get into right now. > > Basically (the funny part), I am getting this thing for one peice of music > (!) The peice requires a single note e-bow drone (for 10 minutes- no > degradation) over which choir-like chords are played after the drone is set. > Even though the Vortex has a small delay time, I was hoping that could be > pull this effect off with it, by playing the low drone, turning the loop on > at the volume peak of the drone, and then relasing the loop without any > attack. > > The question then becomes the all important bump issue- is there any? > If there are any Vortex users out there who could tell me if it is possible > to do what I'm asking - I would really appreciate it. I can't try one, and > there are few things written on this group and on the web about it's looping > ability in regards to drones. > > Again, thank you for your invaluble droning input ;) > > Alli > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 16:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21469; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC7109C.1556D37A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:07:27 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, for stereo and cheap, I think the Vortex might be the only thing, I'm afraid. What about putting stereo processing on the output of your looper to fake it? Guitar's don't usually have stereo outputs anyway. The JamMan (which you can probably pick up used cheaply at this point) has stereo in and out, but it's FAKE! It passes stereo, but sums both channels of the loop and spits them out both outputs. Hope this helps. Mark allison carvalho wrote: > Oh- > > I'm sorry about my last post, but I wanted to get a stereo in and out > looper. I still think that the Vortex would accomplish what I need but if > there is anyone with knowledge about this device I would really appreciate > any help. I'm using a guitar synth and want to combine the stereo effects of > the synth with the stereo effects of a looper, but again, the EDP and > Repeaters are just too much for me to get into right now. > > Basically (the funny part), I am getting this thing for one peice of music > (!) The peice requires a single note e-bow drone (for 10 minutes- no > degradation) over which choir-like chords are played after the drone is set. > Even though the Vortex has a small delay time, I was hoping that could be > pull this effect off with it, by playing the low drone, turning the loop on > at the volume peak of the drone, and then relasing the loop without any > attack. > > The question then becomes the all important bump issue- is there any? > If there are any Vortex users out there who could tell me if it is possible > to do what I'm asking - I would really appreciate it. I can't try one, and > there are few things written on this group and on the web about it's looping > ability in regards to drones. > > Again, thank you for your invaluble droning input ;) > > Alli > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 16:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21243; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:02:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:02:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014201c1ebca$b4279a60$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:00:37 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thu Vortex is a great processor, and I love mine to death but you need to > keep in mind that even with both its delays running in series I believe it > has less than 2 seconds of delay time. > > I'm not sure if the Headrush is stereo or not, but have you looked at the > Line6 DL4? It is stereo in and out has a decent amount of loop time. Most of > the "bumps" when you loop can be lessened with subtle recording techniques > on most looping devices. The Headrush is mono. The Looper section of the DL4 is mono. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 17:38:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28682; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020424213519.92385.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CC7109C.1556D37A@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Ah, for stereo and cheap, I think the Vortex might be the only thing, The Vortex will definitely do seamless drones. You'd want to have the expression pedal and morph between a delay with no feedback and with with 100% feedback. I've used mine this way. I think Andy's Vortex application page has notes on using the Vortex as a "sample & hold" delay. There are several things about the Vortex that might not make it ideal for this. First off, it's an odd bird, an unusual device. It takes awhile to learn to use it, and even then you probably want to keep the manual around so you can remember the effect algorithms. The expression pedal can't be "permanently" assigned, you have to press a front panel button to enable it every time you change presets. It only has 16 user presets. It doesn't have midi control, can't sync to another device, that sort of thing. It's been discontinued for many years, might be hard to find one. If you do find one, it might not be reliable. This goes for Jamman too. That said, the Vortex can make some wild sounds. Like nothing else. But if you just want to sample & hold a droning note, it's way more then you want or need. > What about putting stereo processing on the output of your > looper to fake it? Guitar's don't usually have stereo outputs > anyway. This was the question I was thinking too. There isn't anything implicitly stereo about a single note ebow drone from a guitar. If there's stereo processing you use on it, put it after the Headrush and you have a cheap solution. > The JamMan (which > you can probably pick up used cheaply at this point) I donno about that. I don't see too many of 'em for sale used, and the prices are still around $350. Unless you have better sources then I can find, it might be a search. The Line6 DL4 will definitely give you a glitch at the end of the loop. I don't think it does it every time, but I used one for awhile and remember hearing that sometimes. It didn't bug me 'cause the glitch noise kind of worked with what I was doing. I don't remember ever hearing end of loop glitches with my Repeater, but I wouldn't say it doesn't ever do that, I haven't been doing that much material where I'd notice it lately. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 17:52:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29176; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:45:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1ebd9$244ad880$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <20020424213519.92385.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:43:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With my Vortex I assign the expression pedal to morph on all my patches- no matter what user patch I go to the expression works on Morph- I'm not sure if you are trying to do something different than this- As for finding them there are 2 on Ebay right now. Not too hard really IMO. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Ah, for stereo and cheap, I think the Vortex might be the only thing, > > The Vortex will definitely do seamless drones. You'd want to have the > expression pedal and morph between a delay with no feedback and with > with 100% feedback. I've used mine this way. I think Andy's Vortex > application page has notes on using the Vortex as a "sample & hold" > delay. > > There are several things about the Vortex that might not make it ideal > for this. First off, it's an odd bird, an unusual device. It takes > awhile to learn to use it, and even then you probably want to keep the > manual around so you can remember the effect algorithms. The expression > pedal can't be "permanently" assigned, you have to press a front panel > button to enable it every time you change presets. It only has 16 user > presets. It doesn't have midi control, can't sync to another device, > that sort of thing. > > It's been discontinued for many years, might be hard to find one. If > you do find one, it might not be reliable. This goes for Jamman too. > > That said, the Vortex can make some wild sounds. Like nothing else. But > if you just want to sample & hold a droning note, it's way more then > you want or need. > > > What about putting stereo processing on the output of your > > looper to fake it? Guitar's don't usually have stereo outputs > > anyway. > > This was the question I was thinking too. There isn't anything > implicitly stereo about a single note ebow drone from a guitar. If > there's stereo processing you use on it, put it after the Headrush and > you have a cheap solution. > > > The JamMan (which > > you can probably pick up used cheaply at this point) > > I donno about that. I don't see too many of 'em for sale used, and the > prices are still around $350. Unless you have better sources then I can > find, it might be a search. > > The Line6 DL4 will definitely give you a glitch at the end of the loop. > I don't think it does it every time, but I used one for awhile and > remember hearing that sometimes. It didn't bug me 'cause the glitch > noise kind of worked with what I was doing. > > I don't remember ever hearing end of loop glitches with my Repeater, > but I wouldn't say it doesn't ever do that, I haven't been doing that > much material where I'd notice it lately. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 19:58:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04440; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:56:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:56:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB44@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:55:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEB.944709D0" Resent-Message-ID: <5HMQRC.A.1EB.oY0x8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEB.944709D0 Content-Type: text/plain The other thing is musical synchronization. The few times I've jammed with people while doing looping, I noticed that random jamming didn't work. I was the only one looping, and it was important that the other musicians listened and followed the loop, since I couldn't adjust it to fit what they were doing. It's like playing to seqenced or prerecorded tracks, you have to fit yourself to them, 'cause they aren't going to change. ** here, for me, is the crux of the problem with doing looping stuff with a number of other people in an improv setting. the machine is (generally) not as quick as the people when it comes to making changes at the drop of a hat. I would imagine this would become much more difficult if you had multiple people with looping devices playing away. If someone makes a timing mistake while recording their loop, it's not going to stay in synch with someone else's loop (midi/cv synch methods aside). So I could easily see an open jam with looping devices getting out of control, even with highly talented and experienced musicians involved. ** i improvise fairly regularly with people who loop. i'd say that most of our loops tend to be non-referntial when it comes to groove and so forth; texture is king and we create the grooves around, under and over the loopage. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEB.944709D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud)

The other thing is musical synchronization. The few = times I've jammed
with people while doing looping, I noticed that = random jamming didn't
work. I was the only one looping, and it was = important that the other
musicians listened and followed the loop, since I = couldn't adjust it to
fit what they were doing. It's like playing to = seqenced or prerecorded
tracks, you have to fit yourself to them, 'cause = they aren't going to
change.

** here, for me, is the crux of the problem with = doing looping stuff with a number of other people in an improv setting. = the machine is (generally) not as quick as the people when it comes to = making changes at the drop of a hat.


I would imagine this would become much more difficult = if you
had multiple people with looping devices playing = away. If someone makes
a timing mistake while recording their loop, it's = not going to stay in
synch with someone else's loop (midi/cv synch = methods aside). So I
could easily see an open jam with looping devices = getting out of
control, even with highly talented and experienced = musicians involved.

** i improvise fairly regularly with people who loop. = i'd say that most of our loops tend to be non-referntial when it comes = to groove and so forth; texture is king and we create the grooves = around, under and over the loopage.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEB.944709D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 20:00:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04070; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:52:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:52:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB43@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:51:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEA.FEEE4FB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEA.FEEE4FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" but I did have a complaint that it seemed to me that most of what I've seen is musicians (and I use that term even looser) who seem far more concerned with their rigs and buttons ** again, this is your perception. i'm in l.a. and don't really know what things sounded like there. but really, it comes down to *your* perception of what music is, etc. i personally would give that part of it a rest. I was questioning/bashing the intentions of the open jam (to an extent). ** which is *better*? I'm sorry that folks got offended, but an important part of being an artist is being able to hear constructive criticism and accept those comments that you feel are valid while ignoring those comments that you feel are missing the point you are trying to get across. ** well . . . are you hearing the idea that maybe your paradigm isn't necessarily right for this circustance???? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEA.FEEE4FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: musicality vs. gear quality (was Re: loop mud)

 but I did have a complaint that it seemed to
me that most of what I've seen is musicians (and I use
that term even looser) who seem far more concerned
with their rigs and buttons

** again, this is your perception. i'm in l.a. and don't = really know what things sounded like there. but really, it comes down to *y= our* perception of what music is, etc. i personally would give that part of= it a rest.

I was questioning/bashing the intentions of the
open jam (to an extent). 

** which is *better*?


I'm sorry that folks got offended, but an important
part of being an artist is being able to hear
constructive criticism and accept those comments that
you feel are valid while ignoring those comments that
you feel are missing the point you are trying to get
across.

** well . . . are you hearing the idea that maybe your pa= radigm isn't necessarily right for this circustance????

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EBEA.FEEE4FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 20:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06422; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:08:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:08:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.129.91.149] From: "terry o'brien" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:06:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 00:06:29.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CBF1370:01C1EBED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alli, I just finished my first looping music cd using an e-bow and a Line6DL4. I'm into the drone zone, too. I encountered the odd "bump" but that may have had more to do with me not working within the limitations of the box's loop boundry. I have it sussed now. It's great, though and inexpensive. I've just purchased a Boomerang but will eventually get an EDP. Anyway, the DL4 is an OK piece of gear to start with. For reference, you can hear some tracks at my website (bumps and all!). Terry anomalousdisturbances.com >From: "allison carvalho" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:34:07 -0400 > >thanks! > >I just checked the headrush and it seems far better- if you have one, do >you >know if the boundries are "seamless". IE- you play a drone with an ebow and >the loop will repeat without a bump in the sound? It's what I want it for >the most. > >Alli > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 20:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08737; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:49:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:49:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC751CB.FAE7DAE1@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:46:04 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop4 Release Party References: <200204231904.PAA05919@hemlock.violacea.com> <3CC5D148.E706CEFF@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Hans and co, Hans Lindauer wrote: > Loop4 is awesome! There are features there that most people would never > have thought of, in addition to all of the ones that I was hoping for, > and implemented more elegantly that I could have imagined. Me too -- I find there are a lot of improvements and additions that would never have occured to me, but now that they're in there, they seem like the most obvious (and highly useful!) things in the world. As the upgrade becomes more widely distributed and used, I look forward to talking about some of the applications people have found for the new features. > Matthias and Kim, plus Andre, Andy, Claude, and the rest of > the beta test team, all deserve to be commended for their effort to > bring this new software to light. Thanks for the shout-out. But just for the sake of "credit where credit is due," I wanted to say that Claude Voit and Andy Butler have made incredibly deep and important contributions to LoopIV, along with Kim, Matthias, and Chris Muir (who was a leader in the huge expansion of MIDI functionality in LoopIV, which has been enormously liberating for me). My own very minor role isn't even close to these other folks; by the time I came on board at the beginning of this year, the rest of the lot mentioned above had been toiling away on this stuff for ages. And the main thing I probably brought was a lot of complaining and moaning about new features I didn't have a clue about initially, which I'm now utterly in love with. I don't know how long it'll take me to finish extracting my foot from my mouth over that stuff, but at least I'll have lots of wonderful new EDP features to play with while I do. ;) Sorry for having doubted your brilliant efforts, guys. My own very short review of the release party: I got to play with Matthias Grob and Kim Flint while running LoopIV. I was the luckiest EDP guy in the world that night. Thanks again for all your help, Hans. And I promise I'll have that front right tire fixed next time we meet. ;) --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 21:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12719; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:56:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:56:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020425015523.41323.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: the beginning/ending of a thread - NY musicians unite! To: loopy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-ckiCD.A.QGD.ZI2x8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a normal april wed...slow day at work...a question concerning compression use all over the place for that optimum recording...a remark on the importance of dynamics...a comment on focussing on what is being looped and manipulated with gear (music) vs the actual instruments that do the manipulation. what came of it? a few sour remarks, a few people getting offended, a few minds flexing providing point on top of point on top of counter point and a really nice discussion on art and music and interpretation of that art/music and opinions. not bad in a day. lots of great points were made and (aside from putting my foot in my mouth a few times) i learned a lot and got to re-evaluate some of my thoughts and statements...but the most important thing that came of it... a tremendous response to a request for some jamming in new york with/without fancy rigs and with any number of people! do i feel bad that i offended some people, sure...but i'm really glad that this thread happened. for those who have already responded to me privately about getting together to jam...expect individual replies and i am eager to jam with all of you! since i got a pretty nice response i was thinking of maybe putting together a list of all the people looking to jam with new players containing names, email addresses, phone numbers (if people are up for it), and any other info that could be helpful in finding people to play with for fun or for projects in the ny area. what are your thoughts about this? email me privately if you want to be included in this with any information that you want others to see...if you want to include the styles of music that you are looking to play or if you want to give yourself a skill rating to prevent or promote certain players to contact you (whatever you feel would help you find people that would be if nothing else...fun to jam with) send it along. also if you like send along availability, like weekends only...or whatever you think is important to include. i'm thinking that the only stipulation for this is in order to get a copy of the list of musicians, you need to put yourself on it...is that a good idea? once compiled (if there is more than 3 people who want to do this), i'll send it out... because apparently, the great thing about open loop NY (which i guess i was unaware of) is that there are no rules. all out free for all (with organization of course)...which can be great fun and can provide great music/noise/debates...and again, apologies to any loopers who took offense to my remarks about the open loop, i look forward to making music (with nobs, buttons, and all) with you in the future. ya smell that? it's the power of the listserve... from the darkest clouds comes the brightest light, e va n|s sa b __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Apr 24 22:03:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14330; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:01:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:01:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "allison carvalho" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:00:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 02:00:14.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0B16C90:01C1EBFC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You all have been very very helpful- thank you! I'm still not totally sure what I will do- maybe just save, save, save and get the Repeater. I do like the fact the vortex has 3d stereo image delays/controlled panning etc -very nice for such cheap machine (used). It seems to have a warm sound from what I read as well. Anyway, again I really appreciate all of your help and now I just have to think........ Best Wishes Alli _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 00:44:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31054; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:25:21 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- THE SOUND & VISION FESTIVAL 4.27.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations with the band The Real Kids as part of a mixed -media event at the Rengent Theatre in Arlington Center. The program will also include. Russ Gershon - sax (Either/Orchestra) Dave Maxwell - piano (James Cotton, Muddy Waters) Mike Rivard - bass (Club D'Elf) Sergio Brandao - guitar, mandolin (Manga Rosa) Jerry Leake - tabla & percussion (everyone) performing a live soundtrack to Buster Keaton's The General An animation program by Karen Aqua A jam (Katt Hernendez, Ken Field, Mike Rivard +...) to the psychedelic slides of Dave Grant The show starts at 8:00PM. My set is last. Regent Theatre 7 Medford Street Arlington, MA 781-646-4849 12.50 adv 15.00 door -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 01:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06035; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:21:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002501c1ebbb$37ed6100$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> References: <002501c1ebbb$37ed6100$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:08:50 -0400 To: "Scott McGregor Moore" , From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: If You LikeTom Heasley's CD... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <71mys.A.IdB.NJ5x8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Along the same lines "The Ready Made Boomerang" from The Deep Listening Band, which includes Stuart Dempster, Pauline Oliveros, and others At 2:09 PM -0400 4/24/02, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >Another good suggestion is Stuart Dempster's >"Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel" >(which Tom recommended to me) and which sounds >like him - except that it took ten trombonists and a >two million gallon water tank to do it. ;o) > >Cheers, >Scott M2 > >http://www.dreamSTATE.to >ambientelectronicsoundscapes >http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > >> i love tom heasley's "where the earth meets the sky". >> >> if you enjoy this kind of music might i suggest dreamland "underwater"? >> >> i'm not entirely objective (i mixed, mastered & played on one tune) but >> james h sidlo & johnny rodriguez have created a wonderful >> stream-of-consciousness ambient soundscape, at times comparable to >> robert rich's sleep concert music. > > > > you can check it out @: > > > > http://dogfingers.com/catalog.html# > > > > thanks! > > > > bobdog -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 01:30:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07538; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020424013436.01773750@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:34:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8-MrD.A.wzB.rP5x8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alli, If it's cheap enough, get a Vortex while saving up for a big-time looper. ;) That will let you drone away right now. Later you can also use it to mangle or stereo-ize the output from your eventual high-end looper(s). my $0.02 of gear evangelism, -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 02:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13723; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:29:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:29:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:29:12 -0700 Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I feel your pain. You get ideas, then you find out the gear you need to implement them costs more money than you have. Been there. Went for years playing cat and mouse with the Echoplex. I'd be broke, it would be in production. I'd have money, it would be out of production. Over and over. Finally, when I had money and it was back in production, the Repeater came out, and I went with it because I was interested in it's stereo looping and it's effects loop. How I'm using the echoplex now is in the Repeater's effects loop which is very powerful. It can be set to be before or on the loop. Before means everything going into the loop gets the effect. On the loop means your signal goes in dry, but the first time it comes around in the loop, it gets the effect. Because all the effects in the Vortex are synchable via tap tempo, you can get some really cool stuff by morphing one patch to another, totally mangling your loop! the person who said money doesn't buy happiness doesn't know where to shop, in my opinion! ;^) Good luck, Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 07:00 PM, allison carvalho wrote: > You all have been very very helpful- thank you! > > I'm still not totally sure what I will do- maybe just save, save, save > and get the Repeater. I do like the fact the vortex has 3d stereo image > delays/controlled panning etc -very nice for such cheap machine (used). > It seems to have a warm sound from what I read as well. > > Anyway, again I really appreciate all of your help and now I just have > to think........ > > Best Wishes > > Alli > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 03:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18028; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:44:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:40:16 -0400 From: skincage Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <042301c1ec2c$71e2f520$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.6.32.20020424013436.01773750@127.0.0.1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com found a used vortex for $115 with tax. yay! no footpedal though, so i've been trying to work around that. i've been messing with the delays mostly, feeling goofy at having to keep looking at an acrobat file of the manual. my setup is as follows mackie cfx-12 with aux sends 1 and 2 feeding vortex inputs old varispeed, track flipping institutional tape player feeding channel 4, fader at unity gain aux sends 1 and 2 at about 3/4 unity gain (above starts to clip on the vortex) vortex returning on stereo channel 9/10, fader at unity gain, slight gain on aux sends for playable feedback i'm not a guitarist i'm a noise guy using circuit bent stuff and tapes and whatnot, so rather than an expression pedal to feed the loop i've just been using the fader to sorta play the aux send. basically i've been bringing it up, catching a loop, bringing it down, then bringing it up again when i want a new loop to take over. it's imperfect but i'm getting the hang of it. i wonder if i'd be doing a lot better to use a pedal though. a few questions: i've been looping with deja vu, messing with the feedback settings. i'm liking it, it's seamless enough for me, and i like having a smaller loop area to work with since it forces me to try harder to get something cool going for that second or whatever. the problem is my loops are not as loud as the original sound. is that normal? i've only had a little time to experiment, but the loops seem to automatically drop in level a little just after i pull the fader down on the channel that's feeding the vortex. i'm used to stuff that keeps the same volume, is this because of the envelope functions? everything i read about the vortex suggests it's got a learning curve and has to be tamed. i'm cool with that i'm just trying to get the hang of it so i can use it for a couple of (very soon) loop heavy shows. any insight and tricks appreciated, thanks! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 04:04:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19830; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <128.107453cb.29f9111e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:58:22 EDT Subject: Re: Vortex Drone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 24/04/02 22:53:23 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > Even though the Vortex has a small delay time, I was hoping that could be > > pull this effect off with it, by playing the low drone, turning the loop > on > > at the volume peak of the drone, and then relasing the loop without any > > attack. > > > > The question then becomes the all important bump issue- is there any? > > If there are any Vortex users out there who could tell me if it is > possible > > to do what I'm asking - I would really appreciate it. If the Vortex loop time is enough, 2s mono 1s stereo then it's as good as anything. It doesn't introduce a glitch into the loop on its own. ...and you'd be able to create a drone with subtle changes in it if you wanted. ...a bit of cyclic flanging/phase/chorus with a different time length to the loop ...if you like that sort of thing. Actually, if you're into choir like chords the Vortex is pretty incredible in this respect. For non-degrading loops of up 5s stereo (not tap time) on a budget go for the Behringer Virtualizer DSP2024. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 05:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23993; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <112.1089a40b.29f92172@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:08:02 EDT Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 25/04/02 09:05:44 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > i've been looping with deja vu, messing with the feedback settings. i'm > liking it, it's > seamless enough for me, and i like having a smaller loop area to work with > since it forces me > to try harder to get something cool going for that second or whatever. the > problem is my > loops are not as loud as the original sound. is that normal? i've only had a > little time to > experiment, but the loops seem to automatically drop in level a little just > after i pull the > fader down on the channel that's feeding the vortex. i'm used to stuff that > keeps the same > volume, is this because of the envelope functions? In deja vu B (the looper preset) you can turn down MOD FX LVL and the original sound will disappear. don't know about the automatic fading thing, no Vortex patches have this. Could be something to do with the fact you,re feeding back into th Vortex > > everything i read about the vortex suggests it's got a learning curve and > has to be tamed. > i'm cool with that i'm just trying to get the hang of it so i can use it for > a couple of > (very soon) loop heavy shows. any insight and tricks appreciated, thanks! > print out that manual at once, or at least the pages with the FX diagrams. and write down any good patches you find! (or you'll regret it) ...you can even share patches on my "database" search LD archives for the famed Dual Looper patch and there's even a delay with pitch mod most of this stuff was 1998-1999 Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 07:48:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32331; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:45:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 11:45:35.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[B648C0B0:01C1EC4E] Resent-Message-ID: <4nzRKD.A.j4H.-x-x8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Again thanks- I'm pretty sure I will get the Vortex and then later add a more substantial looper- probably the Repeater. Part of the problem right now for me is also the issue of the Repeater/Echoplex learning curve. This all takes time to get into and master I don't have any right now! I'm unfamiliar with MIDI and just recently went electronic after many years of acoustic instruments only. I am so impressed with what people are doing with these machines! It is truly a new kind of music making and I believe in many ways Historical -very representative of our modern society as the piano was to Beethoven. You are all very kind to help such a novice. Thank you again Alli _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 07:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00587; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "allison carvalho" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:56:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 11:56:30.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C9C9C80:01C1EC50] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Again thanks- I'm pretty sure I will get the Vortex and then later add a more substantial looper- probably the Repeater. Part of the problem right now for me is also the issue of the Repeater/Echoplex learning curve. This all takes time to get into and master I don't have any right now! I'm unfamiliar with MIDI and just recently went electronic after many years of acoustic instruments only. I am so impressed with what people are doing with these machines! It is truly a new kind of music making and I believe in many ways Historical - very representative of our modern society as the piano was to Beethoven. You are all very kind to help such a novice. Thank you again Alli _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 08:44:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03909; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c1ec55$b335b020$0a00a8c0@speakeasy.net> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <112.1089a40b.29f92172@aol.com> Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:35:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:08 AM Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? > In a message dated 25/04/02 09:05:44 GMT Daylight Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > i've been looping with deja vu, messing with the feedback settings. i'm > > liking it, it's > > seamless enough for me, and i like having a smaller loop area to work with > > since it forces me > > to try harder to get something cool going for that second or whatever. the > > problem is my > > loops are not as loud as the original sound. is that normal? i've only had > a > > little time to > > experiment, but the loops seem to automatically drop in level a little > just > > after i pull the > > fader down on the channel that's feeding the vortex. i'm used to stuff > that > > keeps the same > > volume, is this because of the envelope functions? > You might try coming out of the alt/3-4 outputs into the Vortex then return in stereo to the board. I use my Mackie 12 vlz like this with good results. IMO, the Vortex need to be 100% wet. > In deja vu B (the looper preset) you can turn down > MOD FX LVL and the original sound will disappear. A footpedal is wonderful for sweeping parameters. I made one out of a cheap volume pedal by converting the output to a stereo jack. I get the full 1-64 sweep but a real expresion pedal may be better. > > snip everything i read about the vortex suggests it's got a learning curve and > > has to be tamed. > > i'm cool with that i'm just trying to get the hang of it so i can use it > for > > a couple of > > (very soon) loop heavy shows. any insight and tricks appreciated, thanks! Andys site is a way cool place to start for quick and useful patches! > print out that manual at once, or at least the pages with > the FX diagrams. > and write down any good patches you find! > (or you'll regret it) > ...you can even share patches on my "database" Absolutly! > search LD archives for the famed > Dual Looper patch > and there's even a delay with pitch mod > > most of this stuff was 1998-1999 > > > Andy Butler > Lexicon Vortex Database > > > Finally a footpedal is essential to realize the Vortexs morphing capabilities. That is where it lives! peace, jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 09:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04628; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:58:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020425125815.98818.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0es_LD.A.-HB.o1_x8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- allison carvalho wrote: > > Part of the problem right now for me is also the > issue of the > Repeater/Echoplex learning curve. This all takes > time to get into > and master I don't have any right now! I'm > unfamiliar with MIDI and just > recently went electronic after many years of > acoustic instruments only. I'm sure that out of all the folks here who own the EDP &/or Repeater, only a few would be so bold as to say they've mastered either one. I think that both devices (& for me the EDP in particular) are as simple to use as you need them to be. I mainly use my EDP as a simple looper (probably because I AM a simple looper!), but it's really nice to have the depth available for when I do have the time & inclination to dig in & learn something new. Good luck! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 10:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10167; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:11:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:11:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Quantum Improvisation Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:12:55 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com found this interesting essay by Pauline Oliveros ... about the future of music and such ... recommended reading! http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline/writings/quantum.html = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 10:15:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09835; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1ec61$4be890c0$0a00a8c0@speakeasy.net> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <128.107453cb.29f9111e@aol.com> Subject: Re: Vortex Drone Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:58:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <9nZm0C.A.6YC.H0Ay8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: Re: Vortex Drone > In a message dated 24/04/02 22:53:23 GMT Daylight Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > > Even though the Vortex has a small delay time, I was hoping that could be > > > pull this effect off with it, by playing the low drone, turning the loop > > on > > > at the volume peak of the drone, and then relasing the loop without any > > > attack. > > > > > > The question then becomes the all important bump issue- is there any? > > > If there are any Vortex users out there who could tell me if it is > > possible > > > to do what I'm asking - I would really appreciate it. > I just put up a patch/morph that I got somewhere. I can loop then w/ a pedal switch to b and jam over it. Check out loop: http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/newpatch.html way cool.. No bump. Jeff http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Echo17/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 11:54:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17946; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022d01c1ec70$da6f3ce0$0fe35cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:49:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob >consider using syncable loopers if you go for several. I just returned from the Ricochet Gathering 2002 at the Okefenokee swamp in southern Georgia. While there, I used my Akai Headrush to record a guitar loop. Through my good timing, it stayed in sync to Nord Modular and other sequencers for many repeats before drift was noticeable. But, as usual, I was forced to start and stop the loop and use the Akai to trigger its loop. Since we (Steve Schroyder, Peter Ruczynski, John Christian, and I) were sharing MIDI clock, it would have been great to have a looper that would sync right in. Do any loopers quantize the loop length? Example: A 16 step sequencer is playing eighth notes, yielding a two bar pattern. How easy is it to use a Repeater or EDP or whatever to make a four bar loop that will sync perfectly to the community clock and "stay in phase" with the established two bar sequence? Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 12:11:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20051; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:10:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAjUEAx/nohbBXgrho58ZJ+3LA2RQCFBszYFqmcay8sqeeSj1t2eHiYrhl From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:47:37 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If You LikeTom Heasley's CD... Message-ID: <22037-3CC82519-1861@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" 's message of Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:08:50 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can I get one of Tom's Heasley's cd's? I'd purchase one or if Tom wants to trade with one of my Worldfusion band cd's. Bill/las vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 12:15:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20284; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:14:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:14:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c1ec74$4b736620$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <022d01c1ec70$da6f3ce0$0fe35cd1@-> Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:14:36 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EDP syncs to MIDI and maintains perfectly in these circumstances. You can even create multiple loops and switch back and forth between them in perfect sync. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Thursday, 25 April, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob > >consider using syncable loopers if you go for several. > > I just returned from the Ricochet Gathering 2002 at the Okefenokee swamp in > southern Georgia. While there, I used my Akai Headrush to record a guitar loop. > Through my good timing, it stayed in sync to Nord Modular and other sequencers > for many repeats before drift was noticeable. But, as usual, I was forced to > start and stop the loop and use the Akai to trigger its loop. Since we (Steve > Schroyder, Peter Ruczynski, John Christian, and I) were sharing MIDI clock, it > would have been great to have a looper that would sync right in. Do any loopers > quantize the loop length? Example: A 16 step sequencer is playing eighth > notes, yielding a two bar pattern. How easy is it to use a Repeater or EDP or > whatever to make a four bar loop that will sync perfectly to the community clock > and "stay in phase" with the established two bar sequence? > > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 12:18:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20435; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c1ec74$a4dd1bc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <22037-3CC82519-1861@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: If You LikeTom Heasley's CD... Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:17:06 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Thursday, 25 April, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: Re: If You LikeTom Heasley's CD... > Where can I get one of Tom's Heasley's cd's? I'd purchase one or if Tom > wants to trade with one of my Worldfusion band cd's. Bill/las vegas http://www.hypnos.com/Merchant/merchant.mv Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 12:28:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20941; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:26:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:25:54 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: If You LikeTom Heasley's CD... In-reply-to: <22037-3CC82519-1861@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <22037-3CC82519-1861@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:47 AM -0700 4/25/02, William Mcallister wrote: >Where can I get one of Tom's Heasley's cd's? I'd purchase one or if Tom >wants to trade with one of my Worldfusion band cd's. Bill/las vegas http://www.hypnos.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=hypnos&Product_Code=hyp2135&Category_Code=hypnos -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 12:53:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22209; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:48:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:48:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020425164716.7037.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c1ebd9$244ad880$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Clifford Novey wrote: > With my Vortex I assign the expression pedal to morph on all my > patches- no > matter what user patch I go to the expression works on Morph- I'm not > sure if you are trying to do something different than this- Well, I thought I'd done that. Maybe I didn't save the patch after assigning the pedal. Or maybe I just don't know what I'm doing... > As for finding them there are 2 on Ebay right now. Not too hard > really IMO. If you like buying off ebay... (I don't) Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 13:34:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25962; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:32:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:32:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC83D71.5521631F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:31:30 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex, and others for sale (was:Re: delay question / Vortex?) References: <20020425164716.7037.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm doing a little gear hearding, and I've decided to sell my Vortex for anyone interested. It's in perfect condition except for some cosmetic scratches from putting it in a rack. If I can't get $200 for it, I'll try my luck on eBay. That two hundred gets you two pedals and shipping in the USA. Mark Sottilaro Greg House wrote: > --- Clifford Novey wrote: > > With my Vortex I assign the expression pedal to morph on all my > > patches- no > > matter what user patch I go to the expression works on Morph- I'm not > > sure if you are trying to do something different than this- > > Well, I thought I'd done that. Maybe I didn't save the patch after > assigning the pedal. Or maybe I just don't know what I'm doing... > > > > As for finding them there are 2 on Ebay right now. Not too hard > > really IMO. > > If you like buying off ebay... (I don't) > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 13:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26031; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:34:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:34:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: delay question / Vortex? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:33:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with the talk of the Vortex and Headrush, I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Boss DD-5 Digital Delay. This cheap puppy I would think is competetive with some of the lower-end loopers (It has a 2 second max sample and hold). I was thinking of picking one up on ebay for microlooping and for long delay times. Anyone had any experience with this? Ben -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? In a message dated 25/04/02 09:05:44 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > i've been looping with deja vu, messing with the feedback settings. i'm > liking it, it's > seamless enough for me, and i like having a smaller loop area to work with > since it forces me > to try harder to get something cool going for that second or whatever. the > problem is my > loops are not as loud as the original sound. is that normal? i've only had a > little time to > experiment, but the loops seem to automatically drop in level a little just > after i pull the > fader down on the channel that's feeding the vortex. i'm used to stuff that > keeps the same > volume, is this because of the envelope functions? In deja vu B (the looper preset) you can turn down MOD FX LVL and the original sound will disappear. don't know about the automatic fading thing, no Vortex patches have this. Could be something to do with the fact you,re feeding back into th Vortex > > everything i read about the vortex suggests it's got a learning curve and > has to be tamed. > i'm cool with that i'm just trying to get the hang of it so i can use it for > a couple of > (very soon) loop heavy shows. any insight and tricks appreciated, thanks! > print out that manual at once, or at least the pages with the FX diagrams. and write down any good patches you find! (or you'll regret it) ...you can even share patches on my "database" search LD archives for the famed Dual Looper patch and there's even a delay with pitch mod most of this stuff was 1998-1999 Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 13:36:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26178; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC83E23.90DA1D24@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:34:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 References: <022d01c1ec70$da6f3ce0$0fe35cd1@-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Fox wrote: How easy is it to use a Repeater or EDP or > whatever to make a four bar loop that will sync perfectly to the community clock > and "stay in phase" with the established two bar sequence? Easy. Both units are designed to do that. With the Repeater you can even change the tempo, and the length of the loop will change, but keep the pitch the same. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 16:38:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05682; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:37:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:37:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1ec66$84828490$1af8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:35:57 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "...Boss DD-5 Digital Delay..." very cool pedal if you don't need long delay times. if you connect a footpedal you can tap your tempo. it also acts as a non-overdub looper (just hold down the pedal while in loop mode). there's one setting (#7, i think) if you set the feedback and level to 100%, play a note, and mess with the delay time knob you get this really weird enharmonic resonance thing...very very cool, although i think this "feature" is accidental. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 17:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08896; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:00:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:00:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c1ec9b$f3f106f0$e2981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: <000b01c1ec66$84828490$1af8c440@g0wn7> Subject: first loop equipment. Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:58:29 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <5dp-cD.A.F4B.X4Gy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. list. I have readed for a little time this but now I have a question: can you list what I need for samplelooping and live recording looping? Our music is almost beatless ambient an so far we have used computerbased programs to playback loops and almost never done it with realtime recording. in budget what would be best equipment for basic sample looping and controlling it live. what I like to do is actually loop surrounding sounds what I have mic'ed for live. I am planning to effect the "real" thing and currently we have just done this without looping. It would be nice to pick some sounds and use em and not the pre-recorded samples. .jukka rihmasto. http://www.rihmasto.n3.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 17:40:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10948; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:39:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:39:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C1ECD0.95AD4D80.lindsay@redrockradio.com> From: Lindsay Caron To: "'loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: newbie needing advice Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:15:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 13 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! So...I've had dreams of looping in a live performance. Only I ddin't know what it was called or where I could find the technology (though I assumed it existed somewhere.) Then I saw Keller Williams and realized my dreams could easily become reality, found this website, etc. My point...how do I start? I'm broke and need to know which piece of equipment will most benefit me for my buck. I need at least three different inputs, one for a microphone, one for keys and guitar. I need to beable to have atleast 6 different tracks playing at a time, and need optional decay. Sorry if I am using innappropriate terms; I'm just discovering the world of looping. Thank you sooo much for any input! I'm psyched to dive in and get started! Thanks! Lindsay : ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 17:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11730; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:54:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:54:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: newbie needing advice Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:53:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, from one Lindsay to another: You're going to stay broke unless you change your demands on looping technology. There is no single device that has six tracks of looping. The Repeater has four, but only one input (stereo) and costs $500. The Echoplex has only one track and costs appreciably more (but has some serious features--check the archives). You could get six Line6 DL4s, and that would satisfy just about everything--including the optional decay if you left one of them in overdub for a while--but that would be $1494. My suggestion: start very slowly. Obviously, you're making music right now and looping is (as you will discover if you continue with this list) a broad, varied and deep enterprise. You'll be learning all the time. Frankly, I wouldn't know what to do with six tracks. I barely use the four I've got. Not an answer you want to hear, for sure, but perhaps a wise one--certainly for your checkbook! Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Lindsay Caron [mailto:lindsay@redrockradio.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:15 AM To: 'loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: newbie needing advice Hi! So...I've had dreams of looping in a live performance. Only I ddin't know what it was called or where I could find the technology (though I assumed it existed somewhere.) Then I saw Keller Williams and realized my dreams could easily become reality, found this website, etc. My point...how do I start? I'm broke and need to know which piece of equipment will most benefit me for my buck. I need at least three different inputs, one for a microphone, one for keys and guitar. I need to beable to have atleast 6 different tracks playing at a time, and need optional decay. Sorry if I am using innappropriate terms; I'm just discovering the world of looping. Thank you sooo much for any input! I'm psyched to dive in and get started! Thanks! Lindsay : ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 18:55:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15707; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:54:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:54:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014501c1ecab$fe0fdde0$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: Subject: Re: newbie needing advice Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:53:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham, Lindsay" > You're going to stay broke unless you change your demands on looping > technology. There is no single device that has six tracks of looping. The > Repeater has four, but only one input (stereo) and costs $500. The Echoplex > has only one track and costs appreciably more (but has some serious > features--check the archives). You could get six Line6 DL4s, and that would > satisfy just about everything--including the optional decay if you left one > of them in overdub for a while--but that would be $1494. That said, you may not need 6 tracks of looping. I have a single Echoplex Digital Pro, and I end up doing fine with just the single channel and a little creativity. The EDP has features that let you copy to a new loop in real time as the loop is playing. If I want to add a part and then take it back out I just copy to a new loop and overdub on that loop and then go back to the previous loop. The EDP can have up to 9 loops in it. This turns out to provide a fair amount of complexity. There are some folks who have the resources to buy several EDPs and synchronize them. The EDPs have great sync features. I am also looking at synchronizing the MIDI sequencer in my keyboard to the EDP and using a live multichannel MIDI sequence for additional loop tracks, but I have not quite got it working yet. I have a Korg Triton keyboard, and would be interested in hearing from anyone else who is synchronizing audio loops with live (as opposed to pre-recorded) MIDI loops. Good luck with your search! -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 19:06:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17408; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425155814.00afcc28@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:59:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: newbie needing advice In-Reply-To: <014501c1ecab$fe0fdde0$7502a8c0@digex.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 16 with the LoopIV upgrade! At 03:53 PM 2002/04/25 -0700, Vance wrote: >to the previous loop. The EDP can have up to 9 loops in it. This turns out >to provide a fair amount of complexity. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 19:10:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17842; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:09:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:09:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020425230906.14356.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: newbie needing advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01C1ECD0.95AD4D80.lindsay@redrockradio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8zYgu.A.ZWE.UyIy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Lindsay Caron wrote: > My point...how do I start? > I'm broke and need to know which piece of equipment will most benefit > me for my buck. I need at least three different inputs, one for a > microphone, one for keys and guitar. You'll need a mixer, as I haven't seen any looping devices with that many inputs. > I need to beable to have atleast 6 different > tracks playing at a time, and need optional decay. Tough order. The Repeater provides the most number of simultaneous tracks per loop (4), but they all have to be the same length. This may be enough to do what you want, since it offers overdubbing on any track and 1 level of undo (erase the last thing you recorded), so you could put on an overdub & erase it. You can also copy loops while they're playing, to save a particular setting, then cue to play the old one after you want to eliminate what you've added (it'll still be there, you could come back to it). If you really do need 6 tracks, you could sync two Repeaters with midi. That would give you 8 (mono) tracks. > Sorry if I am using > innappropriate terms; I'm just discovering the world of looping. Decay on the Repeater is known as feedback. I believe EDP uses that term too. Have fun shopping. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 19:13:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18026; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:08:31 -0400 From: skincage Subject: Re: delay question / Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <04cb01c1ecae$1e6e6320$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020425164716.7037.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is there still anywhere to get just the footpedals? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 19:30:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18628; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:30:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:30:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20020425230906.14356.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: newbie needing advice Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:28:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 23:28:56.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[F841DDF0:01C1ECB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Decay on the Repeater is known as feedback. I believe EDP uses that > term too. Unfortunately, the repeater's "decay" or feedback only works while overdub is engaged. Its more of a replace percentage setting than anything else. This is one major shortcoming of the machine for me. Luckily I have an EDP which is specifically designed to impliment feedback "correctly." Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 19:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19207; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:44:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:44:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:39:14 -0400 From: skincage Subject: headphone recommendations please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com needs: - loud enough for mixing during shows, accurate enough for mixing in studio - tough enough to cart around - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the box any insight? thanks! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 19:48:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19435; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:48:09 -0700 To: skincage From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:39 PM -0400 4/25/2002, skincage wrote: >needs: > >- loud enough for mixing during shows, accurate enough for mixing in studio >- tough enough to cart around >- a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it >out of the box > >any insight? thanks! > >Jon Sony MDR 7506. Listening through them as I type this, in fact, sound great, and have stood up to years of abuse, and comfortable too! I think they sell for around $100. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 20:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22549; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:42:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c1ecbb$41e2b2e0$baea5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Live MIDI Loops Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:42:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Vance Gloster >I am also looking at >synchronizing the MIDI sequencer in my keyboard to the EDP and using a live >multichannel MIDI sequence for additional loop tracks, but I have not quite >got it working yet. I have a Korg Triton keyboard, and would be interested >in hearing from anyone else who is synchronizing audio loops with live (as >opposed to pre-recorded) MIDI loops. Hi Vance, I'm not familiar with the Triton's sequencer and you failed to mention what you're using for the multichannel MIDI sequnce(r?). How do you (and others) loop MIDI live? I've considered Techno Toys' SEQ303 software on my laptop. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 21:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24689; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:04:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:04:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:04:14 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c1ecbe$48527770$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a bass player, I like to have well defined bottom end ... I highly reccomend the Sony MDR-V700. Almost every DJ I know uses them as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 21:31:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25958; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please In-Reply-To: <000f01c1ecbe$48527770$0282c83f@kinesys1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Doug Lawrence wrote: I like my Sennheiser 565 headphones. Great response, light and comfortable. Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Apr 25 21:50:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26685; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:49:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:49:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <076f01c1ecc4$7fe761e0$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <005701c1ecbb$41e2b2e0$baea5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Live MIDI Loops Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:48:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" > I'm not familiar with the Triton's sequencer and you failed to mention what > you're using for the multichannel MIDI sequnce(r?). How do you (and others) > loop MIDI live? I've considered Techno Toys' SEQ303 software on my laptop. I have not gotten it working yet, but here is what I am trying to do. The Triton has an 16 track sequencer built-in. In theory you can make a pattern and have it keep looping, while overdubbing the other 15 channels. Each channel can use a different patch, though there is some effect sharing. Underneath the MIDI loops I am using an EDP for an audio loop. I have succeeded (I think) in getting it to generate MIDI clocks in sync with the loop. You have to tell it in advance how many beats long the loop is, but that is fairly easy to set up. I find myself starting off with an audio doumbek loop, adding some keyboard layers (which I would like to do as MIDI for control), then adding Chapman Stick and throat singing. I am not doing techno kinds of stuff like using preprogrammed 303 patterns or drum machine patterns. I perform everything that goes into the loop live. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 00:23:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05784; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:06:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:48 PM -0700 4/25/02, Dave Trenkel wrote: >At 7:39 PM -0400 4/25/2002, skincage wrote: >>needs: >> >>- loud enough for mixing during shows, accurate enough for mixing in studio >>- tough enough to cart around >>- a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it >>out of the box >> >>any insight? thanks! >> >>Jon >Sony MDR 7506. Listening through them as I type this, in fact, sound >great, and have stood up to years of abuse, and comfortable too! I >think they sell for around $100. > Comfortable enough to listen to a walkman for 4 hours on a train ride? -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:16:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05123; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:15:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:15:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC96087.F57A7FDB@minds-eye.org> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:13:27 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: OT?: DL4 for sale and others Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3_jqCD.A.EPB._CWy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it now appears that the bug has indeed set its teeth deep into me and refuses to let go, so, in an attempt to raise the cash for a more powerful looping arrangement (EDP or Repeater (still not decided)), I am offering these items for sale. Line 6 DL4 in near mint condition with original box, manual and the optional power adapter (thankfully not a wall wart). 14 seconds of loop time (28 if you record at half speed--I've never noticed an audible difference in sound quality), and 15 models of delay fun. I'd like $210 for the unit and adapter shipped anywhere in the continental US. Boss DR 660 drum machine. 255 drum sounds, 32 drum kits, 16 velocity sensitive pads, midi in/out/thru, 150 user patters, 100 preset, 100 songs, chorus and reverb/delay and so on. Comes with xeroxed manual and power adapter (non Boss). Its a very good drum machine but really not what I'm after. I almost never program the thing and that seems a waste of potential so off it goes. I'd like $120 shipped. Casio SK5. Lo-fi sampling keyboard supreme. Can store four samples (1.2 seconds) or 2, 2.24 seconds (even after powered off). Has four pads that can play each sample and individual samples can be assigned to the keyboard. Has several different wave forms that can be applied to each sample (slow attack, etc.), reverse, and loop features and the usual Casio set of sounds and rhythms. One of the more interesting parts of the thing is that you can apply the effects to each stored sample and play them using the sample pads. So, in effect, you could have four samples looping while you play one of the four samples on the keyboard. A very cool 'toy' that has a lot of potential for sound manipulation and mangulation in the right hands. I imagine circuit bending could also lead to greatness. I'd like $60 shipped. Let me know if you have any questions, counter offers, donations, etc. Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06260; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:30:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:30:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:27:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: this nagging virus problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3 viruses in 3 days from this list. anyone else having this problem? pissed, a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06924; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c1ed2f$be6aca40$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:36:24 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <06_7dD.A.FrB.tXWy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, no. ----- Original Message ----- From: "anti:clockwise" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 15:27 PM Subject: this nagging virus problem > > > 3 viruses in 3 days from this list. > anyone else having this problem? > > pissed, > > a:c > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07259; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:38:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:38:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ed01c1ed2f$b7e3a5c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! It is *quite* annoying. I won't go into the gory details... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "anti:clockwise" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: this nagging virus problem > > > 3 viruses in 3 days from this list. > anyone else having this problem? > > pissed, > > a:c > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07681; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:44:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c1ed30$d398bca0$392e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:43:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0NMDXB.A.C3B.QfWy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh Oh Not Yet. Hope Not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "anti:clockwise" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: this nagging virus problem > > > 3 viruses in 3 days from this list. > anyone else having this problem? > > pissed, > > a:c > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08082; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:46:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:46:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020426144607.13279.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: BOSS DD5 (was:delay question / Vortex?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204252255.SAA15790@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...Boss DD-5 Digital Delay..." >very cool pedal if you don't need long delay times. i started out w/ this when i was sixteen and it has remained at the front of my setup. simple and powerful, it's so reliable as a standard delay before running into everything else. >if you connect a >footpedal you can tap your tempo. very accurate > it also acts as a non-overdub looper >(just hold down the pedal while in loop mode). always thought this sucked, actually. i remember being annoyed from the start w/ it only being two seconds, and glitchy as hell because the loop point is preset. it work for drones, but that was about all i could get out of it. >there's one setting >(#7, i >think) if you set the feedback and level to 100%, play >a note, and mess >with >the delay time knob you get this really weird >enharmonic resonance >thing...very very cool, although i think this >"feature" is accidental. use this quite a bit, actually. i know i've mentioned this twice here before, but i have beats in my sampler that i created by dragging the guitar cord across my hair (clipper cut) w/ full to near full feedback on the dd5 (any setting that responds to delay time will do this), and then tweaking to delay time knob to pull out rythms w/ the "enharmonic resonance". kind of sounds like sweeping ringmodded drums. peace, phil peace -jim ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08455; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1ed31$9f810de0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> <02ed01c1ed2f$b7e3a5c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:49:51 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you SHOULD! I've got nuthin here so far - to my knowledge. Is it particular members of this list? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 15:36 PM Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem > Yes! It is *quite* annoying. I won't go into the gory details... > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anti:clockwise" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:27 AM > Subject: this nagging virus problem > > > > > > > > 3 viruses in 3 days from this list. > > anyone else having this problem? > > > > pissed, > > > > a:c > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 10:56:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08898; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:53:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been getting an inordinate number of Viruses in my inbox over the last week, but I have not isolated it to any member of this list. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Perhaps you SHOULD! I've got nuthin here so far - to my knowledge. Is it particular members of this list? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 15:36 PM Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem > Yes! It is *quite* annoying. I won't go into the gory details... > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anti:clockwise" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:27 AM > Subject: this nagging virus problem > > > > > > > > 3 viruses in 3 days from this list. > > anyone else having this problem? > > > > pissed, > > > > a:c > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 11:09:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10979; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: myoder@dusty.tamiu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:05:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Yoder Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >3 viruses in 3 days from this list. >anyone else having this problem? > >pissed, > >a:c Yes. What happens is my computer has sent out a file attachment to at least one person, someone I don't even know. The message title was something like "Hey, check this out." The person who received it is a computer specialist of some kind who is NOT on this list (Loopers Delight), but he tracked it to this list. I also received one that my computer wouldn't let me open from someone I know called "notice of meeting." Of course, none of these show up in the messages sent files of the originating computer. Michael Yoder -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies Texas A&M International University Department of Social Sciences 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 11:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11434; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1ed34$ee703d60$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:13:26 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which virus if I should be so bold? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Yoder" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 16:05 PM Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem > >3 viruses in 3 days from this list. > >anyone else having this problem? > > > >pissed, > > > >a:c > > > Yes. What happens is my computer has sent out a file attachment to > at least one person, someone I don't even know. The message title > was something like "Hey, check this out." The person who received it > is a computer specialist of some kind who is NOT on this list > (Loopers Delight), but he tracked it to this list. I also received > one that my computer wouldn't let me open from someone I know called > "notice of meeting." Of course, none of these show up in the > messages sent files of the originating computer. > > Michael Yoder > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > Department of Social Sciences > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 > http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 11:29:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12121; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:27:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAreETOKYmUNbACTYOHXO5NgEtTeMCFAvF9YS3UKGW1bMAs6J6mUGsh2/O From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:26:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Message-ID: <10934-3CC971C3-306@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Michael Yoder 's message of Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:05:42 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <9Squk.A.Q9C.IHXy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As on an earlier thread, I was asking everyone about which computer to buy. Well when I do get one I think I'm still going to recieve my emails through my web-tv. Because these virus's dont effect them. Its 24.95 a month, but could save big bucks, and lots of headaches. Unless there is another way for the virus to get through. Bill/LAS VEGAS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 11:38:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12962; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03d801c1ed38$0f950360$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> <02ed01c1ed2f$b7e3a5c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000901c1ed31$9f810de0$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:35:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Yes! It is *quite* annoying. I won't go into the gory details... > > > Perhaps you SHOULD! I've got nuthin here so far - to my knowledge. Is it > particular members of this list? I hope this info help... Lately, I have received infected emails from: deepbass6@earthlink.net rauboto@dragonet.es It is the win32\klez.h@mm virus. More info at: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/ Deepbass6 and rauboto should check their computer for infections. You can load a disinfectant from the Symantec site. The disinfectant is free. Perhaps other folks want to download and run it also? My home computer (XP Home Edition) is down due to this virus. Blue-screens at boot-up time. Dell Tech Support tells me I need to reformat and reinstall. I'm not that desparate yet and can probably devise a less drastic recovery. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 11:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13559; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1ed39$93817c20$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> <02ed01c1ed2f$b7e3a5c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000901c1ed31$9f810de0$0201a8c0@eluk> <03d801c1ed38$0f950360$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:46:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <3XnGND.A.4SD.mbXy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out www.sarc.com if you haven't already. if you can boot up in safe mode or last known good configuration (not sure how to do this on xp, i've only run 2k) maybe you can run the removal utility. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem > > > Yes! It is *quite* annoying. I won't go into the gory details... > > > > > Perhaps you SHOULD! I've got nuthin here so far - to my knowledge. Is it > > particular members of this list? > > I hope this info help... > > Lately, I have received infected emails from: > deepbass6@earthlink.net > rauboto@dragonet.es > > It is the win32\klez.h@mm virus. More info at: > http://securityresponse.symantec.com/ > > Deepbass6 and rauboto should check their computer for infections. You can > load a disinfectant from the Symantec site. The disinfectant is free. > Perhaps other folks want to download and run it also? > > My home computer (XP Home Edition) is down due to this virus. Blue-screens > at boot-up time. Dell Tech Support tells me I need to reformat and > reinstall. I'm not that desparate yet and can probably devise a less > drastic recovery. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 11:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14110; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Robin.Bussell@axa-sunlife.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: AXA SUN LIFE@SUNLIFE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <80256BA7.00568A5B.00@10.7.40.1> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:36:16 +0100 Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Lately, I have received infected emails from: >deepbass6@earthlink.net >rauboto@dragonet.es >It is the win32\klez.h@mm virus. More info at: >http://securityresponse.symantec.com/ ... where you can read that the virus actually takes the 'from' address at random from mails it find on the infected computer so it probably is someone on this list who is infected but not necessarily those two.. it's a tricky one this one! I haven't been affected at all by this or any of the other mail worms in appearing in the last few years because I use lotus notes at work and Mozilla at home, I suggest others give this a try (not the lotus notes bit though) and break out from the monoculture environment where these worms breed :-) Cheers, Robin. ==================================================================== The contents and any attachments of this electronic mail message are confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use of the message or attachments by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions expressed in this message are personal and may not be attributed to AXA Sun Life or any member of the AXA Group of Companies. Internet e-mails are not necessarily secure. AXA Group does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 11:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15278; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:56:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:56:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c1ed3a$dc1da160$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <10934-3CC971C3-306@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:55:58 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well as with everything prevention is the make-or-break here. With a current copy of virus protection software - which costs a lot less than $24.95 a month - one can do a lot better than WebTV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 16:26 PM Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem > As on an earlier thread, I was asking everyone about which computer to > buy. Well when I do get one I think I'm still going to recieve my emails > through my web-tv. Because these virus's dont effect them. Its 24.95 a > month, but could save big bucks, and lots of headaches. Unless there is > another way for the virus to get through. Bill/LAS VEGAS > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 12:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17481; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:12:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:12:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c1ed3d$29967a00$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <10934-3CC971C3-306@storefull-2356.public.lawson.webtv.net> <001301c1ed3a$dc1da160$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: O/T - Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:12:28 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't noticed any virus/worm problems this week - but my AntiVirus is up to date. I've also been seriously thinking of switching from Outlook Express to Eudora as another means of protection. Is Eudora actually immune to this sort of thing? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Well as with everything prevention is the make-or-break here. With a > current copy of virus protection software - which costs a lot less than > $24.95 a month - one can do a lot better than WebTV. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Mcallister" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 16:26 PM > Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem > > > > As on an earlier thread, I was asking everyone about which computer to > > buy. Well when I do get one I think I'm still going to recieve my emails > > through my web-tv. Because these virus's dont effect them. Its 24.95 a > > month, but could save big bucks, and lots of headaches. Unless there is > > another way for the virus to get through. Bill/LAS VEGAS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 13:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22258; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:20:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:20:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC98C9A.9548859A@friendlyspider.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:21:35 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Closed ear phones anybody... References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about some headphones that are comfortable and accurate but are of the closed design such that the audio won't leak into sensitive mics even if the phones are cranked to a decent level ? I particularly find the phones with the double headbands the most comfortable....ei, there is a softer, unwired band that contacts your head below the actual stiffer structure that connects the ear pieces. Anybody got the AKG K240 studio phones ? -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 13:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23197; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan DeAnda" To: Subject: Metronome fun with the edp Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:31:35 -0400 Organization: Loudcloud, Inc. Message-ID: <007301c1ed48$370cab90$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I know this is probably stale news and old-hat to all of you reigning masters of the midi, but I am hoping that this will open up a dialogue that can further my knowledge. I've been looking into sync'ing my edp with an external source for some time now, and I've been a little shy on the sheckles lately, so I had to get creative. I was looking at purchasing one of the redsound microsync bpm counter hoo hoo's, but they're a little steep, and I keep thinking about the Miles Davis reference: "Miles had the same 12 notes to play with, it's just the way that he put them together that made it Miles." So, digging around in my gear box, I found a spiffy little casio rotary dial (rheostat-like in nature) metronome. I bought it about 5 years ago for about 10 bucks. Hooked it up to the edp, and away we go. Some discoveries in this expedition: Clipping and barraging: Depending on your bpm, you can get some cool clipping on your loop, i.e.: Loop= "1, 2, 3, 4" The higher bpm you set it to, the shorter it clips your loops. Loop at 40 bpm = "1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4" Loop at 60 bpm = "1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, " Loop at 80 bpm = "1, 2, 1, 2" Loop at 100 bpm = "1, 1, 1, 1, 1, " Loop at 200 bpm = "111111111111111111" You get the picture, it allows you to shave down your loops, albeit, not with the granular control that some efx processors give you, but it's a good start for me. What I like, is that I can have the metronome set to no beat, and the loops runs normally "1, 2, 3, 4" and I can vary it up a bit by stymieing it's length or stretching it out a bit, and working around where it clips it, I need to see where I can go with this for retards and accellerandos, perhaps nowhere, or perhaps somewhere..... I can also dial it around to throw in a "1111" fill at arbitrary spots by swinging the dial from whatever bpm I'm at around to a mathematically comparable bpm for a barrage of "1's" Then right back on track with the groove of the normal loop. I can also do more....uhhh...what shall we call the procedure....inserts per second (IPS) with the metronome, since I can have the metronome flying away at 260bpm, and hit the insert key on the footpedal to throw in some syncopation or accents or whatever. Moving in and out of beat sync mode: Starting with the metronome on at bpm loop is muted Hit insert. Edp sync's with metronome Mute again Turn off metronome Hit mute again, loops runs normally. Metronoming in reverse is a lot of fun: depending on what type of sound your are working with, I still love those cymbal sizzlers in reverse, it's such a nice build up to the WAP! This is also fun with the bpm set low (mine only goes down to 40 bpm) and then throw in your accents where you please. Changing the length of the loop: Trying really hard to remember the key sequence for this, perhaps someone can augment my shoddy memory. I know there was an insert, multiply and mute involved.....sorry for bringing it up and not having full empirical data on this one....damn my eyes! This is how I think it went: Record loop "1, 2, 3, 4" Multiply "1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2" End with insert Your loop is now "1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2" "1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2" or could be "1, 2, 1, 2" Questions I have: Sometimes it's possible for me to overdub while sync'ing off of the metronome, I think it's only when the loop is shorter than the length of the bpm cycle. Am I wrong or right? I should stop being lazy and answer this one on my own...nevermind. Other interesting implementations of beatsync? Anyhoo, I'm still working out the semantics with the metronome, but it opens up another avenue of edp-love. I will update and share as I encounter more antics and hijinx. Be well, D Thanks and best regards, Dylan DeAnda dylan@loudcloud.com 703-653-6883 "What is it men cannot be made to believe!" -Thomas Jefferson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 14:03:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26179; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:02:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:02:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:01:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> >>Sony MDR 7506. Listening through them as I type this, in fact, >>sound great, and have stood up to years of abuse, and comfortable >>too! I think they sell for around $100. >> > >Comfortable enough to listen to a walkman for 4 hours on a train ride? Yup. And they're sealed, so they'll eliminate some of the ambient noise. They're kind of bulky, so you'll end up looking like a dork, but, for most people on this list, I'm sure that's not a concern... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 14:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28052; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c1ed1e$db7a1f20$22f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:35:31 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6P_OsD.A.H1G.X4Zy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i haven't gotten a single virus, but i delete most of the emails and don't open ANY files...and yes, my virus software is up-to-date. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 14:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28319; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1ed1f$560287a0$22f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> <02ed01c1ed2f$b7e3a5c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000901c1ed31$9f810de0$0201a8c0@eluk> <03d801c1ed38$0f950360$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:38:57 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Dell Tech Support tells me I need to reformat and reinstall." i let my computer go for a while without updating my virus software, so my computer was just crawling with infections...and i had to do the above because things got so bad. i needed an upgrade anyhow, but this may be your only way out. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 15:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32085; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:22:27 -0600 From: Jazwell Wankerl Reply-To: duckbill@fastmail.fm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Closed ear phones anybody... Organization: Trad PFX X-mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [eg] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mahnoor.midashosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fastmail.fm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA32005 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the AKG K240 Monitor phones which I really like but they are not closed and I cant use them when I mix live sound in concert settings. However, the K240DF (which may be what you are referring to) is closed, I believe. Unfortunately I have not used them. They are the big brother to mine and supposedly wonderful... ---Jazwell Wankerl phone: 715.833.2290 cell: 920.980.8311 jaz@iwonderasiwander.net 'Duckbill Glass' Synths * Samples Effects * Engineering I Wonder as I Wander... ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ "He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad." -R Sabatini ¤¤¤¤¤¤§¤¤¤¤¤¤ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 15:20:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32683; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426120116.047ba420@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:12:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:27 AM 4/26/2002, anti:clockwise wrote: >3 viruses in 3 days from this list. >anyone else having this problem? so far as I can tell, no viruses have been sent *through* the list. Are you sure about that? Check the headers carefully. Perhaps it is somebody on the list who happens to have list members in their address book and the virus is spamming those people directly? If you think one of them did go through the list, I would appreciate it if you could send it to me with the FULL header so I can track what happened. FWIW, I've been receiving more idiot virus mails lately than usual, although I've been getting them constantly for about a year. They come from all over the place. I long ago shut off all mailer features that run scripts, spawn browsers, download stuff automatically, etc. Plus I use Eudora, which seems to have better ability to avoid these problems than outlook, which is the program most of the viruses target anyway. If you do use outlook, make sure you have all the latest security patches. But your best prevention is you. Don't open attachments if you don't know who sent it or what it is. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 15:28:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00823; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC9A9E8.B9AE6BBA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:26:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping stuff for sale References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey boys and girls... check out this cool loop gear: An Ensoniq TS-10. Not a looper, but has an amazing hardware sequencer and lot's of great sounds, drums and otherwise. I'm a guitarist and got tired of dusting it! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863987541&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 A Roland Dr. Sample SP-303. Lot's of loop potential here. Can capture audio live, and quickly put it into a loop (there is some pause depending on the lenght of the sample) Each loop can then be a different length. Great sounds quality and a 64 meg smartmedia card included. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863993074&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 and last, but not least, The coveted Lexicon Vortex! Lot's of info on the Looper's delight page on this baby. Sweet looping and loop mangling madness. Had to make room in my rack for another piece of gear. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=864009999&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 15:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01844; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:40:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <042e01c1ed5a$18a57260$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Niche Automation products blow-out Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:39:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > For those needing a set of MIDI faders at a reasonable price, I'd > like to alert you all to a discontinued product blow-out on > audioMIDI.com. > > http://www.audiomidi.com/common/cfm/product.cfm?Product_ID=1789 > > The Automation Station has sixteen 60mm MIDI faders, sixteen buttons, > and four MIDI rotary pots. All are programmable to a reasonable > extent. BTW: Thanks for this tip, Richard! I've got one on it's way! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 16:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04540; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:09:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:09:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC9A4D1.2DDD65F3@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:04:49 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping stuff for sale References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> <3CC9A9E8.B9AE6BBA@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark what do you wanna buy ? ?=) Claude Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Hey boys and girls... > > check out this cool loop gear: > > An Ensoniq TS-10. Not a looper, but has an amazing hardware sequencer and > lot's of great sounds, drums and otherwise. I'm a guitarist and got tired > of dusting it! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863987541&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 > > A Roland Dr. Sample SP-303. Lot's of loop potential here. Can capture > audio live, and quickly put it into a loop (there is some pause depending on > the lenght of the sample) Each loop can then be a different length. Great > sounds quality and a 64 meg smartmedia card included. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863993074&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 > > and last, but not least, The coveted Lexicon Vortex! Lot's of info on the > Looper's delight page on this baby. Sweet looping and loop mangling > madness. Had to make room in my rack for another piece of gear. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=864009999&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 > > Thanks, > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 16:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05508; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Closed ear phones anybody... Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:26:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Used the AKG K240's for 3 years now. Like them a lot, find them quite accurate, perhaps a tiny bit thinner on the low end than the Sony's but as a bassest, I am still quite happy. Good sealing of of sound. Only downside is they can get quite hot in the summer and I can't wear them for more than an hour without taking them off to release a little steam! I'd replace them if I lost them if that counts for anything, but I'd probably check some higher-end Senn's first. Ben -----Original Message----- From: Gary Phillips [mailto:gary@friendlyspider.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Closed ear phones anybody... What about some headphones that are comfortable and accurate but are of the closed design such that the audio won't leak into sensitive mics even if the phones are cranked to a decent level ? I particularly find the phones with the double headbands the most comfortable....ei, there is a softer, unwired band that contacts your head below the actual stiffer structure that connects the ear pieces. Anybody got the AKG K240 studio phones ? -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 16:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05292; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:24:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:24:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT WTB Boss DD-5 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:23:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am looking to buy a Boss DD-5 Digital Delay used. Pls contact me off-list if you'd like to convert one to cash ;). Thanks, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 3:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping stuff for sale Hey Mark what do you wanna buy ? ?=) Claude Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Hey boys and girls... > > check out this cool loop gear: > > An Ensoniq TS-10. Not a looper, but has an amazing hardware sequencer and > lot's of great sounds, drums and otherwise. I'm a guitarist and got tired > of dusting it! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863987541&ssPageName=ADME :B:LC:US:1 > > A Roland Dr. Sample SP-303. Lot's of loop potential here. Can capture > audio live, and quickly put it into a loop (there is some pause depending on > the lenght of the sample) Each loop can then be a different length. Great > sounds quality and a 64 meg smartmedia card included. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863993074&ssPageName=ADME :B:LC:US:1 > > and last, but not least, The coveted Lexicon Vortex! Lot's of info on the > Looper's delight page on this baby. Sweet looping and loop mangling > madness. Had to make room in my rack for another piece of gear. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=864009999&ssPageName=ADME :B:LC:US:1 > > Thanks, > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 16:44:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08003; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:43:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss GT-3 to GT-6 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:42:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2002 20:42:29.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1B79F90:01C1ED62] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I sometimes use the GT-3 as a pre –loop processor when I’m to lazy to bring a bunch of stomp boxes to a session & thinking of updating to the 6 as I like the fact you can do the real-time changes. Does anyone know about how much better the 24 bit D/A/D conversion really sounds? Thanks Lou _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 16:54:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08837; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020426155049.0081c690@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:50:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: OT: Royer R121 - Opinions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Sorry for the OT post - I am into Looping! I record live miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Been using a Senn 421MKII. I hear that the Royer R121 ribbon mic can/will produce a more full bodied sound. Some people say it's way "better" than the Neumann TLM 103 which I was considering. I'm running layered loops through the EDP, into a board, out to miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Any thoughts on this? Thanks! M.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 17:08:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11064; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c1ed66$1e4574c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20020426155049.0081c690@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Royer R121 - Opinions Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:05:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com R121 is a great mic- its ribbon can take high spl levels - you might also look at the Studio Projects line - very cheap but great sound- Rode NTK is also great deal- Of course I hear the ol SM57 is great for micing rock guitar ampage. :) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: OT: Royer R121 - Opinions > Hi, > > Sorry for the OT post - I am into Looping! > > I record live miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Been using a Senn 421MKII. I > hear that the Royer R121 ribbon mic can/will produce a more full bodied > sound. Some people say it's way "better" than the Neumann TLM 103 which I > was considering. > > I'm running layered loops through the EDP, into a board, out to miced > guitar cabs into Cubase. > > Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks! > > M.... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 17:21:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12734; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020426211944.73649.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:19:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: mics for recording live sessions (was Re: Royer R121 - Opinions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006201c1ed66$1e4574c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being on the topic of mics, I was curious what is recommended as a decent, not too elaborately priced mic for use as a free range mic to record the overall sound of a room? It doesn’t need to be the most perfect thing available and the recordings don’t need to be pristine, but I’d like to have something that will capture what I’m hearing. I recently entered the world of the minidisc (late, I know…) mostly to capture those incredible moments that can only happen in a live situation (ya know what I mean…when incredible ideas pop out, but are quickly forgotten as soon as the next incredible idea comes out) and to archive jam sessions for review at a later time. I’d like to spend under a $100 if possible, but I’m really looking for the most bang for my buck being that I’m not the taper type…but love being able to listen back on jams and refresh my memory. Thoughts? Un-official member of the repeater fan club! E va n|s sa B --- Clifford Novey wrote: > R121 is a great mic- its ribbon can take high spl > levels - you might also > look at the Studio Projects line - very cheap but > great sound- Rode NTK is > also great deal- > Of course I hear the ol SM57 is great for micing > rock guitar ampage. :) > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Clark" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:50 PM > Subject: OT: Royer R121 - Opinions > > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry for the OT post - I am into Looping! > > > > I record live miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Been > using a Senn 421MKII. > I > > hear that the Royer R121 ribbon mic can/will > produce a more full bodied > > sound. Some people say it's way "better" than the > Neumann TLM 103 which I > > was considering. > > > > I'm running layered loops through the EDP, into a > board, out to miced > > guitar cabs into Cubase. > > > > Any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks! > > > > M.... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 17:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13790; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:28:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:28:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07f201c1ed69$456e73a0$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> <02ed01c1ed2f$b7e3a5c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000901c1ed31$9f810de0$0201a8c0@eluk> <03d801c1ed38$0f950360$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <002e01c1ed39$93817c20$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: this nagging virus problem Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:28:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The link directly to the page about this worm (it is a worm, not a virus) can be found at: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.html There is a link to a free tool that can remove the virus from your computer. If you have gotten an email that when you try to view it, it brings up a dialog box asking whether to save the file or execute it, you have received this worm. If you did not execute the file, you did not get infected. If you did, it trolled your email files and found people's addresses and sent them the worm. The worm file has a different name and extension each time. It will be an executable extension (including .scr and .pif). Each email includes two attached files. The subject line and body of the message can be any of a dozen different messages. I have not gotten this worm from this list, but on my other (home) email account I have gotten it half a dozen times over the last couple of days. If you think you might have gotten it, go to the link above and run the removal tool. If you do not have AntiVirus software, get some. Some of these worms (much more common today than viruses) can do a lot of damage. You can get a 30 free trial version of Norton AntiVirus at: http://nct.digitalriver.com/fulfill/0001.14 I used to write code for Symantec on the Norton AntiVirus team. I wrote the email scanner that is in the product to this day. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 17:42:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14722; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20020426211944.73649.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: mics for recording live sessions (was Re: Royer R121 - Opinions) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:39:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2002 21:39:16.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0D6AA10:01C1ED6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evan- Sony makes a nice stereo condenser that plugs right into their minidisc players without a cord. I've heard it and the sound quality is quite good! They make a few models and I've heard that they all sound quite decent and they're all sub $100. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: mics for recording live sessions (was Re: Royer R121 - Opinions) Being on the topic of mics, I was curious what is recommended as a decent, not too elaborately priced mic for use as a free range mic to record the overall sound of a room? It doesn't need to be the most perfect thing available and the recordings don't need to be pristine, but I'd like to have something that will capture what I'm hearing. I recently entered the world of the minidisc (late, I know.) mostly to capture those incredible moments that can only happen in a live situation (ya know what I mean.when incredible ideas pop out, but are quickly forgotten as soon as the next incredible idea comes out) and to archive jam sessions for review at a later time. I'd like to spend under a $100 if possible, but I'm really looking for the most bang for my buck being that I'm not the taper type.but love being able to listen back on jams and refresh my memory. Thoughts? Un-official member of the repeater fan club! E va n|s sa B --- Clifford Novey wrote: > R121 is a great mic- its ribbon can take high spl > levels - you might also > look at the Studio Projects line - very cheap but > great sound- Rode NTK is > also great deal- > Of course I hear the ol SM57 is great for micing > rock guitar ampage. :) > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Clark" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:50 PM > Subject: OT: Royer R121 - Opinions > > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry for the OT post - I am into Looping! > > > > I record live miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Been > using a Senn 421MKII. > I > > hear that the Royer R121 ribbon mic can/will > produce a more full bodied > > sound. Some people say it's way "better" than the > Neumann TLM 103 which I > > was considering. > > > > I'm running layered loops through the EDP, into a > board, out to miced > > guitar cabs into Cubase. > > > > Any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks! > > > > M.... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 17:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14958; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c1ed6b$3a6b7910$e2981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: Subject: Re: Closed ear phones anybody... Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:42:13 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using Beyerdynamic DT250 80ohm version. It is designed for filmsound and isolation of outside ambience is pretty good. Something about 12dB if I remember right. But ofcourse these leak some sound also but after you have used these and they have modified to your head they do isolate more than most closed does. They do look quite old and big but not that old and big when turning eye on AKG or other used. I dont like Sennheiser since quite small earcup and it makes my ear hurt after long session. Beyer isnt big either since it is oval earcup and so it does fit in ear but still isnt that large (vs. AKG KF240M). These Beyers do work with most gear out there. Even with cheap/small portable units where headphone amp is often very poor. There is also 250ohm version of these but those need more power from headphone amp. I like the frequency response what Beyer gives. It is almost flat from 20 to 20k. specially lowend is very flat and many bassplayers do like these very much since these are accurate at this frequency. There is a little gain at highmid to make humanspeech little more detailed and it is just fine for me since I use these also for filmsound and there is important to get all information about human speech without losing trouple makers like ambience which usually is lowerend material. I did do some research before turning into these headphones. These does cost less that Sennheiser 25's which is very good for portable use also. They do sell Beyers earcup peaces for Senn and Sony also and I understand that since these are best. very comfortable and after 10h lesson still dont need to get em off my head. luck, .jukka rihmasto. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 17:45:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15234; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Boss GT-3 to GT-6 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:43:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was looking at getting this unit too, it has some MIDI clock capability, but I found out that the delay times still max out at 1.8 seconds. What real-time changes is it capable of that the GT-3 is not? IMPORTANT LOOP CONTENT: I'm using the PC1600x to change the GT-3 delay times/fb/volume on the fly, as well as on/off of the delay, so I can use some of the patches for their looping, before the EDP. Gary Louis Rossi wrote: Hi there, I sometimes use the GT-3 as a pre –loop processor when I’m to lazy to bring a bunch of stomp boxes to a session & thinking of updating to the 6 as I like the fact you can do the real-time changes. Does anyone know about how much better the 24 bit D/A/D conversion really sounds? Thanks Lou From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 18:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17440; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:01:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:01:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <081601c1ed6d$c35302a0$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20020426155049.0081c690@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Royer R121 - Opinions Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:00:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" > I record live miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Been using a Senn 421MKII. I > hear that the Royer R121 ribbon mic can/will produce a more full bodied > sound. Some people say it's way "better" than the Neumann TLM 103 which I > was considering. The ribbon mics are somewhat fragile. A stiff wind blowing through them can damage them. Supposedly the Royer is not as fragile, but old studio guys will not put any ribbon in front of a Marshall turned up loud. The warm but clear tone on Paul McCartney's voice is characteristic of ribbon microphones. He always uses a ribbon to record his voice. You can find more information about ribbon's from Royer's FAQ at: http://www.royerlabs.com/faq.html You can find more info about ribbons in general from AEA, who make replicas of vintage ribbon mics. Wes Dooley (an old friend of mine) runs the company. He was one of the original developers of MS stereo. A lot of what he does is repair ribbon mics that get damaged. http://www.wesdooley.com/AEA_Replica_Microphones_and_Parts.html Condenser mics like the Neumann have superior high end and have lots of clarity, but lack punch. Guitars sometimes sound thin using a condenser by itself. The TLM 103 is a wonderful mic that I like a lot, but I would not use it by itself to mic a guitar amp. I love the Sennheiser MD421 for guitar and bass cabinets. It has a warmer tone than the other mics you mention. Dynamic mics like the MD421 work much better at providing the warm upper-mid-range response that makes for a killer guitar sound. Shure SM-57s are used more often than the MD421, but I personally like the 421s better. Try experimenting with mic placement, and also try micing different amps. Some amps just do not mic well. I like to put the 421 in front of the outside edge of the speaker at the edge of the cabinet about 3-6" back from the cabinet. It does not sound as good to put the mic in front of the center of the speaker. The fattest sound I have gotten involved using three mics. I used an MD421 for the main sound, added a large format condenser about four feet back, and finally I added a D112 kick drum mic. The D112 is a large format dynamic mic. It provided a punchy warm low end. When we turned up the playback we felt the punch of the guitar in our guts. But the D112 signal by itself was not what we needed. The 421 provided the main sound of the guitar while the condenser added high-end clarity and the D112 low-end punch. Good luck with your quest for the perfect guitar sound! -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 18:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17776; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brother Sean" To: Subject: RE: mics for recording live sessions (was Re: Royer R121 - Opinions) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1ed6e$3a936c10$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020426211944.73649.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <306XmB.A.oVE.R8cy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evan below is a site that focuses on mics for mini disc: http://www.minidisco.com/miniordercool.html Kevin McPeak Brother Sean www.brothersean.com -----Original Message----- From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mics for recording live sessions (was Re: Royer R121 - Opinions) Being on the topic of mics, I was curious what is recommended as a decent, not too elaborately priced mic for use as a free range mic to record the overall sound of a room? It doesn't need to be the most perfect thing available and the recordings don't need to be pristine, but I'd like to have something that will capture what I'm hearing. I recently entered the world of the minidisc (late, I know.) mostly to capture those incredible moments that can only happen in a live situation (ya know what I mean.when incredible ideas pop out, but are quickly forgotten as soon as the next incredible idea comes out) and to archive jam sessions for review at a later time. I'd like to spend under a $100 if possible, but I'm really looking for the most bang for my buck being that I'm not the taper type.but love being able to listen back on jams and refresh my memory. Thoughts? Un-official member of the repeater fan club! E va n|s sa B --- Clifford Novey wrote: > R121 is a great mic- its ribbon can take high spl > levels - you might also > look at the Studio Projects line - very cheap but > great sound- Rode NTK is > also great deal- > Of course I hear the ol SM57 is great for micing > rock guitar ampage. :) > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Clark" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:50 PM > Subject: OT: Royer R121 - Opinions > > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry for the OT post - I am into Looping! > > > > I record live miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Been > using a Senn 421MKII. > I > > hear that the Royer R121 ribbon mic can/will > produce a more full bodied > > sound. Some people say it's way "better" than the > Neumann TLM 103 which I > > was considering. > > > > I'm running layered loops through the EDP, into a > board, out to miced > > guitar cabs into Cubase. > > > > Any thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks! > > > > M.... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 18:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18590; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:18:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:18:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC9D298.8FD2FB4D@friendlyspider.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:20:40 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mics for recording live sessions References: <20020426211944.73649.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1YBrxC.A.ohE.aIdy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I picked up a matched pair of Audix SCX-25 that I love for acoustic guitar, percussion, piano and overhead/room/ambience. They are very compact but utilize a large ultra sensitive and quiet condenser capsule in a cool retro lollipop design. They ain't the cheapest, but if you want an accurate pair of clean mics...... and you haven't yet invested in serious mic-age..... And they look very cool ! (as if that should matter) -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 18:23:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19060; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Loop IV Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:09:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just in case you don't have a hush policy until formal public release, and since it was mentioned the "Target completion date is April 24th", could someone whet our appetites with a full feature list? That said, I'm confident there's a good reason for the silence, as long as it continues...) Reading about faux viruses and other gear for sale and the years of Loop IV beta testing fans my interest in full disclosure:-) _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 18:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19425; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC9D37D.6AF20C9C@friendlyspider.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:24:28 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yamaha UD Stomp and Pocketstudio... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426102644.00ae77b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> <02ed01c1ed2f$b7e3a5c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000901c1ed31$9f810de0$0201a8c0@eluk> <03d801c1ed38$0f950360$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <002e01c1ed39$93817c20$6445230a@melon> <07f201c1ed69$456e73a0$7502a8c0@digex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone had a chance to check out the Yamaha UD Stomp ? Its a delay and modulation box endorsed by Alan Holdsworth.... I own the AG and DG stomp boxes and really like them... (and I'm a tube amp fanatic) Also Tascam's Pocketstudio 5....the little digital 4 track that uses compact flash and playback custom MIDI tracks.... I can't find out the format it records... whether it is 16 bit, 44.1, or some form of MPEG...... Horrible documentation at Tascam's site..... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 19:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22265; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:59:19 -0800 Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please From: Stan Card To: loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2YYiHD.A.IbF.5vdy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > needs: > - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the > box > > any insight? thanks! > > Jon this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 19:27:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23574; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:26:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:26:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Wireless headphone recommendations please Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This can be a new thread (sort of a pun--not really) What quality wireless cans do you folks recommend? Crutchfield has the Sony MDR-RF915RK for 99 bucks--are they good enough for loopers? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Stan Card [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 4:59 PM To: loopers Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please > needs: > - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the > box > > any insight? thanks! > > Jon this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 19:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23828; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC9E2E9.8EC2EF68@friendlyspider.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:30:22 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tangled cords.... References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "permiscordation"

Stan Card wrote:

> needs:

> - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the
> box
>
> any insight? thanks!
>
> Jon

this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you
leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they
are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all  tangled up
w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called?
oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO...
s

--
gary
@friendlyspider.com
  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 19:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24317; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC9D5EB.6651F64C@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:34:19 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop IV References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neil to wet your apetite the manual is 47 pages long (pdf) Kim is finishing it (burn burn burn .....) Matthias went back to Brasil? moving in his new house André is glitching Andy freaks out in Flip mode Bret is brother syncing Mark resetted threshold in sync:in And I am just happy its over (+800 mails with Matthias since december 99) Claude Neil Goldstein wrote: > > Just in case you don't have a hush policy until formal public release, and > since it was mentioned the "Target completion date is April 24th", could > someone whet our appetites with a full feature list? That said, I'm > confident there's a good reason for the silence, as long as it continues...) > > Reading about faux viruses and other gear for sale and the years of Loop IV > beta testing fans my interest in full disclosure:-) > > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ > _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 19:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24569; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:40:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CC9D67C.CCBDFEFD@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:36:44 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stan Card wrote: > > > needs: > > > - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the > > box > > > > any insight? thanks! > > > > Jon > > this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you > leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they > are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up > w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? > oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... > s a similar problem is the secret place where single socks hide Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 19:58:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25445; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c1ed7d$c6f3b5c0$cb68fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3CC9D67C.CCBDFEFD@vtx.ch> Subject: OT: headphone recommendations please Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:55:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i thought went to the same place ball point pens go, displacing the resident paper clips there and pushing them into our world. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please > > > Stan Card wrote: > > > > > needs: > > > > > - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the > > > box > > > > > > any insight? thanks! > > > > > > Jon > > > > this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you > > leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they > > are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up > > w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? > > oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... > > s > > a similar problem is the secret place where single socks hide > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 20:14:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27719; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:13:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:13:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:13:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Loop IV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-756991993 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CC9D5EB.6651F64C@vtx.ch> Message-Id: <8941127C-5973-11D6-8C49-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-756991993 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Whet it even more... can you say how the upgrade will be installed? > to wet your apetite... .................................................................. Doug Miller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-2-756991993 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Whet it even more... can you say how the upgrade will be installed? to wet your apetite... Arial.................................................................. Arial BlackDoug MillerArial < http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-2-756991993-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 20:14:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27752; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020426191151.0083cba0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:11:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: tangled cords.... In-Reply-To: <3CC9E2E9.8EC2EF68@friendlyspider.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Irritacordation! Yes, they move on their own. Like snakes. In the night. I've seen them! Slithering, they will. M... At 06:30 PM 4/26/02 -0500, you wrote: >>>> "permiscordation" Stan Card wrote: > needs: > - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the > box > > any insight? thanks! > > Jon this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... s -- gary @friendlyspider.com <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 20:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28211; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:15:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:15:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020426191327.00831140@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:13:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Loop IV In-Reply-To: <3CC9D5EB.6651F64C@vtx.ch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA28098 Resent-Message-ID: <8203iB.A.V3G.-1ey8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, how cool! M... At 12:34 AM 4/27/02 +0200, you wrote: >Neil >to wet your apetite the manual is 47 pages long (pdf) >Kim is finishing it (burn burn burn .....) >Matthias went back to Brasil? moving in his new house >André is glitching >Andy freaks out in Flip mode >Bret is brother syncing >Mark resetted threshold in sync:in >And I am just happy its over (+800 mails with Matthias since december >99) > >Claude > > > >Neil Goldstein wrote: >> >> Just in case you don't have a hush policy until formal public release, and >> since it was mentioned the "Target completion date is April 24th", could >> someone whet our appetites with a full feature list? That said, I'm >> confident there's a good reason for the silence, as long as it continues...) >> >> Reading about faux viruses and other gear for sale and the years of Loop IV >> beta testing fans my interest in full disclosure:-) >> >> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ >> _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ >> _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ >> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 21:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32508; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:32:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <089f01c1ed8b$45fb03c0$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: References: <8941127C-5973-11D6-8C49-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: Loop IV Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:31:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Miller > Whet it even more... can you say how the upgrade will be installed? Someone authoritative had said the upgrade was on a couple of ROM chips you replace. As I understand it they are in sockets so there is no soldering. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 21:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00533; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:44:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c1ed8c$fc14a3e0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: headphone recommendations please Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:43:52 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you > leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they > are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up > w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? > oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... I've always called it WIRE SEX. They are very promiscuous! Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Apr 26 23:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06683; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:02:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Loop IV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-767169362 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <089f01c1ed8b$45fb03c0$7502a8c0@digex.net> Message-Id: <3B70639E-598B-11D6-8C49-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-767169362 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Excellent! Any clues as to how much it'll cost? Less than $100? >> Whet it even more... can you say how the upgrade will be installed? > > Someone authoritative had said the upgrade was on a couple of ROM chips you > replace. As I understand it they are in sockets so there is no soldering. .................................................................. Doug Miller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-3-767169362 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Excellent! Any clues as to how much it'll cost? Less than $100? Whet it even more... can you say how the upgrade will be installed? Someone authoritative had said the upgrade was on a couple of ROM chips you replace. As I understand it they are in sockets so there is no soldering. Arial.................................................................. Arial BlackDoug MillerArial < http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-3-767169362-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 01:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15577; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCA3804.E06B191@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:33:16 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tangled cords.... References: <3CC9E2E9.8EC2EF68@friendlyspider.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Make that
"PROMISCORDATION"
I need to start using spellcheck......

Gary Phillips wrote:

"permiscordation"

Stan Card wrote:

> needs:

> - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the
> box
>
> any insight? thanks!
>
> Jon

this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you
leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they
are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all  tangled up
w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called?
oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO...
s

--
gary
@friendlyspider.com
 

--
gary
@friendlyspider.com
  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 05:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28859; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:53:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:53:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Headphones Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:55:11 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c1edd1$9f813f40$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As for the ongoing headphone discussion: I do own (and use) both a pair of AKG K270 and K400 headphones. The K270: I went shopping for a set of hi-fi headphones quite some time ago (15 years perhaps), and compared quite a lot of the usual stuff in A/B sessions listening to different material from Abba via Messiaen to Zorn. In the end, there were only two companies present in my price range which didn't got thrown out at first sight: AKG and Sennheiser. At that time I was looking at an AKG K240 and a Sennheiser something (about same price range). That's when one of the salespersons told me he just got a new model by AKG and wheter I'd like to check this out, although it left my defined price range (then <200DM, with the AKG K270 at DM230). The K270 blew all other competitors away with regard to sound quality, even imho excelling some of the cheaper Stax models (priced around DM900). I use them still, and they still sound great. Btw, these are two-way headphones! Downsides: They are extremely bulky (even more so than a K240), so when wearing them for a long time at tilted head positions, your neck might ache, and most probably your ears will be drained in sweat. They're closed headphones, remember? They offer quite effective sonic insulation, but are not that loud (compared to the Sennheiser DJ models), so be sure to get a decent headphone amp when using them in "hostile" environment. The K400: I got this when the hifi shop where I'd bought some goodies at throwout prices (like the Empire ID600 system for my Thorens record player) had it on offer for DM170. These headphones are the kicks! Half-closed design, extremely clean and at the same time rich sound, superior carrying confort, and even a tad bit louder than the K270. They have become my main headphones, resorting to the K270 only when I really need the closed characteristics. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 05:58:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29187; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:57:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:57:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: tangled cords.... Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:00:04 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c1edd2$4d823ae0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1EDE3.110B0AE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020426191151.0083cba0@mail.airmail.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1EDE3.110B0AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit late at night, is when they come out?(Baby Snakes !) sure you know, what I'm talking about! They live in a hole that is usually empty (usually empty, tiny too), they live by a code, that is usually SMPTE (which stands for Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers) Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Samstag, 27. April 2002 02:12 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tangled cords.... Irritacordation! Yes, they move on their own. Like snakes. In the night. I've seen them! Slithering, they will. M... At 06:30 PM 4/26/02 -0500, you wrote: >>>> "permiscordation" Stan Card wrote: > needs: > - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the > box > > any insight? thanks! > > Jon this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... s -- gary @friendlyspider.com <<<< ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1EDE3.110B0AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

late=20 at night, is when they come out´(Baby Snakes = !)
sure=20 you know, what I'm talking about!
 
They=20 live in a hole that is usually empty (usually empty, tiny=20 too),
they=20 live by a code, that is usually SMPTE (which stands for Society of = Motion=20 Picture and Television Engineers)
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de
The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Clark=20 [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net]
Sent: Samstag, 27. April 2002=20 02:12
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 tangled cords....

Irritacordation!

Yes, = they move=20 on their own. Like snakes. In the night.

I've seen them! = Slithering,=20 they will.

M...




At 06:30 PM 4/26/02 -0500, = you=20 wrote:
>>>>
"permiscordation"=20

Stan Card wrote:
> needs:

> - a cord that won't become a = celtic=20 knot 3 seconds after i take it out of the
> box
> =
>=20 any insight? thanks!
>
> Jon

this is an = interesting=20 problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you
leave = some cords=20 or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they
are = then left=20 there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up =
w/out=20 anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom = called?=20
oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one = IMHO...=20
s

--
gary
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1EDE3.110B0AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 13:29:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21357; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:26:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping stuff for sale From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CC9A4D1.2DDD65F3@vtx.ch> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me buy more gear? What makes you think that? OK, I'll come clean. I don't want to buy anything...(well except for the new KAOSS pad when it comes out, but that's another story) I ALREADY BOUGHT IT! I just picked up a Roland VX-5050 synth module. My issue is that the GR-30's sounds mostly SUCK and although the TS-10 is better and has the best sequencer I've ever seen on a keyboard workstation, it's one of the heaviest damn keyboards I've ever come across. Aluminum chassis. Plywood case. Hard to move around, but built like a tank. Since I don't tour, it mainly sat in my studio. Since I'm not a keyboard player, it became a very expensive MIDI controller for programming my Roland MC-307. I realized it was a waste. The VX-5050 has all the soundage I need, and sits nicely in a single rack space. I also plan on getting a little MIDI controller keyboard. Any suggestions? That will sit at home for composing, and I can have the VX-5050 in my rack for gigs, and home studio use. Mark Sottilaro on 4/26/02 11:04 AM, Claude Voit at c.voit@vtx.ch wrote: > Hey Mark > what do you wanna buy ? > ?=) > Claude > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >> Hey boys and girls... >> >> check out this cool loop gear: >> >> An Ensoniq TS-10. Not a looper, but has an amazing hardware sequencer and >> lot's of great sounds, drums and otherwise. I'm a guitarist and got tired >> of dusting it! >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863987541&ssPageName=ADME: >> B:LC:US:1 >> >> A Roland Dr. Sample SP-303. Lot's of loop potential here. Can capture >> audio live, and quickly put it into a loop (there is some pause depending on >> the lenght of the sample) Each loop can then be a different length. Great >> sounds quality and a 64 meg smartmedia card included. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=863993074&ssPageName=ADME: >> B:LC:US:1 >> >> and last, but not least, The coveted Lexicon Vortex! Lot's of info on the >> Looper's delight page on this baby. Sweet looping and loop mangling >> madness. Had to make room in my rack for another piece of gear. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=864009999&ssPageName=ADME: >> B:LC:US:1 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 15:07:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27766; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:06:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:06:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:03:12 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: For G-bashers X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.jazzguitar.com/features/kennyg.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 15:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28228; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CC9D5EB.6651F64C@vtx.ch> References: <3CC9D5EB.6651F64C@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:11:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop IV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Neil >to wet your apetite the manual is 47 pages long (pdf) >Kim is finishing it (burn burn burn .....) >Matthias went back to Brasil? moving in his new house well right now with Claudio Nucci in Maua, 1200m high, taking waterfall shower and listening to his and Kal's marvelous curing music. >André is glitching >Andy freaks out in Flip mode >Bret is brother syncing >Mark resetted threshold in sync:in >And I am just happy its over (+800 mails with Matthias since december >99) So am I. But I love this revew. Lets add that I spent twice a week or more with you working full time on it. The mails with Andy probably also added to hundreds. We really did something new. Its not like programming a chorus effect, when everybody knows what it sounds like and how its done, its figuring out new functions, capture the weird musicians fantasies and make them operatable and programmable. Fascinating work, but we overdid it somehow. It took too long all together and the poor old processor in the EDP made us too much work to still make it work... But we made it, and so far there is no real bug known, just 2-3 spots where it may not exactly do what you expect... but you will have to dig into the unit for a half year before you get there ;-) ! > >Claude > > > >Neil Goldstein wrote: >> >> Just in case you don't have a hush policy until formal public release, and >> since it was mentioned the "Target completion date is April 24th", could >> someone whet our appetites with a full feature list? That said, I'm >> confident there's a good reason for the silence, as long as it continues...) >> >> Reading about faux viruses and other gear for sale and the years of Loop IV >> beta testing fans my interest in full disclosure:-) >> >> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ >> _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ >> _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ >> _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 15:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28231; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:12:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:12:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3CC9D67C.CCBDFEFD@vtx.ch> References: <3CC9D67C.CCBDFEFD@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:12:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: tangled cords.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Stan Card wrote: >> >> > needs: >> >> > - a cord that won't become a celtic knot 3 seconds after i take >>it out of the >> > box >> > >> > any insight? thanks! >> > >> > Jon >> >> this is an interesting problem(@least to me). has anyone noticed that if you >> leave some cords or wires alone together,either in a box or case and they >> are then left there unattended for awhile they seem to get all tangled up >> w/out anybody touching anything? is it just me-what is this phenom called? >> oh well it probably doesnt have a name but there should be one IMHO... >> s > >a similar problem is the secret place where single socks hide > >Claude I claim I dont have this problem. Ok, I left a single sock at Kim and I dont use any in Brasil, but the cables I wind up and use them 20 years without fixing them. There is two ways to do it: short cables you double until they are only about 30 cm and then make a knot into the whole multiple strip. long cables you have to roll up like a wheal would. The problem is that most wind them over the arm and thus twist them with every turn. The same goes for unrolling them: if you simply take the end of a nicely rolled cable and walk away, for each turn you will twist it once, and when its twisted, it becomes really dificult to roll it up right and its the twisted force that creates the "miscordation" phenomenon mentioned further up. Then once they are rolled up, you can make a knot arround it with the outer end. Many have warned me saying that this kills the cable. I answer that in the last 20 years it did not kill one of mine. Maybe because I dont make the knot it exactly the same spot each time... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 15:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28401; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:12:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:12:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B70639E-598B-11D6-8C49-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> References: <3B70639E-598B-11D6-8C49-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:12:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop IV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Excellent! Any clues as to how much it'll cost? Less than $100? no, but not more either ;-) > >>>Whet it even more... can you say how the upgrade will be installed? >> >>Someone authoritative had said the upgrade was on a couple of ROM chips you >>replace. As I understand it they are in sockets so there is no soldering. thats right -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 15:28:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29604; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:30:08 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > http://www.jazzguitar.com/features/kennyg.html Old news man! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 15:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30437; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:42:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:42:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCAFE0E.4DE023B@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:37:50 -0400 From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: headphones References: <052101c1ecb2$68d4e0c0$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a couple of points: - Check out www.head-fi.org &&/|| www.headwize.com -- these questions get asked (and answered) all the time. I recommend searching the forums, first. And then posting something to the effect of, "I searched, but could not find an answer to my specific question. If I missed it, please post a link." > >Sony MDR 7506. Which are the same as the Sony V6's, and can be had for US$30-40 cheaper. Look around on head-fi for where (I don't have the retailers memorized). > Comfortable enough to listen to a walkman for 4 hours on a train ride? They can be made even more comfortable -- again, search around on head-fi for the "Sony V6 Beyer Pad Mod" or something like that. I, personally, hate the pleather, and supposedly the Beyer pads are cloth or something. PS The Sony MDR-V700 are not thought highly of there. But the Beyer DT250/80ohm are considered pretty competitive. For the person asking about studio isolating phones, I would recommend my Beyer DT770's, but they require a really good amp, which most studio equipment don't have. The Sony V6/7506's isolate enough for most applications. And they're not nearly as dorky looking as the Beyer DT770's. I've worn that "self-adjusting headband" thing (Sony CD3000) and they _are_ just about the last word in comfort, but I think cloth or velour pads are the most important thing. A couple of new headphones just came out that look pretty promising, but haven't been investigated too much by the members of the above forums. The Pioneer, in particular, looks particularly promising (wipes mouth). -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 16:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00304; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:06:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:00:31 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Old news man! Old to you but not to me - and maybe not old to others outside the mainstream jazz world. I passed it along because I've never paid any attention to Metheny and it was interesting to see how he positions himself. I always lumped him into the light jazz world and didn't listen any deeper. I just checked out a few MP3s of Metheny's playing and he's more interesting than I thought, but still closer to Kenny G country that what I normall listen to. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 16:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02262; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:37:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:37:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:45:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! Man, you don't know squat about Pat Metheny. No offense. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > >Old news man! > > Old to you but not to me - and maybe not old to others outside the > mainstream jazz world. > > I passed it along because I've never paid any attention to Metheny > and it was interesting to see how he positions himself. I always > lumped him into the light jazz world and didn't listen any deeper. I > just checked out a few MP3s of Metheny's playing and he's more > interesting than I thought, but still closer to Kenny G country that > what I normall listen to. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 16:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03190; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:47:52 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: <7B4GFB.A.Gx.55wy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/27/02 1:45 PM, Butch at paulrichard10@attbi.com or somebody wrote: > Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > Yeah, I thought that was pretty out there too. For those of you who think they are in the same ballpark, may I recommend the following albums by or including Mr Metheny Zero Tolerance for Silence Song X - the Ornette Coleman book Beyond the Missouri Sky - ok ok, but it's still a nice album Trio 99-00 Joshua Redman's "Wish" "The Sign of Four" with Derek Bailey (!!) Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 16:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03532; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:49:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:49:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.83.31] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:48:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2002 20:48:59.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4C9EB90:01C1EE2C] Resent-Message-ID: <7awRSD.A.X2.a7wy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I passed it along because I've never paid any attention to Metheny >and it was interesting to see how he positions himself. I always >lumped him into the light jazz world and didn't listen any deeper. I >just checked out a few MP3s of Metheny's playing and he's more >interesting than I thought, but still closer to Kenny G country that >what I normall listen to. Metheny is more versatile than your average jazz guitarist. For a more complete picture of his works, I recommend listening to the following: Song X (w/ Ornette Coleman) 80/81 The Sign of 4 (w/ Derek Bailey, Greg Bendian, Paul Wertico) Quartet Electric Counterpoint (actually, this is under Steve Reich's name) Zero Tolerance for Silence (ok, this is controversial, but not even on the same planet as Kenny G Country) As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls Not meant to be a complete listing - I'm sure others will pop in with something I overlooked. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 16:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04204; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:58:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:58:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:00:54 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002001c1ee2e$9f3bfea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "Butch" > Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > > Man, you don't know squat about Pat Metheny. No offense. Thanks, I don't really have time for a detailed response....but I will say that Pat makes a point about Kenny G being a bad musican. Metheny is an incredible musican, he has his slick group with Lyle Mays and then there's his less commercial projects like the amazing Song X and Zero Tolerance for Silence. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 17:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07011; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:31:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:31:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:31:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Loop IV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-833697634 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2160F558-5A26-11D6-8C49-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4-833697634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Great, cause thats exactly the amount I can spend without having to ask first! >> Excellent! Any clues as to how much it'll cost? Less than $100? > > no, but not more either ;-) .................................................................. Doug Miller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-4-833697634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Great, cause thats exactly the amount I can spend without having to ask first! Excellent! Any clues as to how much it'll cost? Less than $100? no, but not more either ;-) Arial.................................................................. Arial BlackDoug MillerArial < http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --Apple-Mail-4-833697634-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 17:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07328; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:34:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:34:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:33:52 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_ew8bB.A.NyB.Ulxy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:45 PM -0400 4/27/02, Butch wrote: >Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > >Man, you don't know squat about Pat Metheny. No offense. You're right. I don't know squat about Pat Metheny. I heard one of his records in 1969 and it wasn't to my taste. That doesn't mean I don't think he isn't a fine guitarist or that I think he has bad taste, or that people who like Metheny have bad taste. It's just not my taste. I've just listened to a few more cuts (including some of those recommended) and most of it still isn't to my taste. However, I wouldn't mind hearing more of the Coleman recordings, or Sign for Four. I just don't care for the "mellow" stuff. And for the record, both Butch and Andrew misquoted by comment, which was "[Metheny is] more interesting than I thought, but still closer to Kenny G country that what I normall[y] listen to." How do you know what I normally listen to? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 18:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11467; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:20:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2002 22:20:01.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC7B41B0:01C1EE39] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How do you know what I normally listen to? LOL! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 18:22:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11633; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:21:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:24:31 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002901c1ee3a$4d564da0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > At 4:45 PM -0400 4/27/02, Butch wrote: > >Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > > > >Man, you don't know squat about Pat Metheny. No offense. > > You're right. I don't know squat about Pat Metheny. I heard one of > his records in 1969 and it wasn't to my taste. He was 15 years old in '69. I highly doubt he even had a record out. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 18:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13627; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:37:10 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <002901c1ee3a$4d564da0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <002901c1ee3a$4d564da0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:24 PM -0400 4/27/02, David Beardsley wrote: >He was 15 years old in '69. I highly doubt he even had a record out. I must have been early '70s then. I remember where I was at the time - in a music hall at New England Conservatory. I left Boston in 1974. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 18:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13948; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:47:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:47:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1ee3e$8d9638e0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:54:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How 'bout "the New Chatequa"? PAul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > on 4/27/02 1:45 PM, Butch at paulrichard10@attbi.com or somebody wrote: > > > Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > > > > > Yeah, I thought that was pretty out there too. > > For those of you who think they are in the same ballpark, may I recommend > the following albums by or including Mr Metheny > > Zero Tolerance for Silence > > Song X - the Ornette Coleman book > > Beyond the Missouri Sky - ok ok, but it's still a nice album > > Trio 99-00 > > Joshua Redman's "Wish" > > "The Sign of Four" with Derek Bailey (!!) > > > Cheers > > A > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 18:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14260; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:49:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:49:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c1ee3e$d0e5f900$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net><001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:56:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like hair-splittin' b.s. to me. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > At 4:45 PM -0400 4/27/02, Butch wrote: > >Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > > > >Man, you don't know squat about Pat Metheny. No offense. > > You're right. I don't know squat about Pat Metheny. I heard one of > his records in 1969 and it wasn't to my taste. That doesn't mean I > don't think he isn't a fine guitarist or that I think he has bad > taste, or that people who like Metheny have bad taste. It's just not > my taste. > > I've just listened to a few more cuts (including some of those > recommended) and most of it still isn't to my taste. > > However, I wouldn't mind hearing more of the Coleman recordings, or > Sign for Four. I just don't care for the "mellow" stuff. > > > And for the record, both Butch and Andrew misquoted by comment, which > was "[Metheny is] more interesting than I thought, but still closer > to Kenny G country that what I normall[y] listen to." > > How do you know what I normally listen to? > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 18:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14528; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:50:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:50:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" To: References: Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:48:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard: Pat was... uh... 15... in 1969. I don't know what you heard, but it wasn't Pat Metheny. I'm no authority on Pat, but as far as I know, his first (generally available) recording was with Paul Bley, Bruce Ditmas, and Jaco Pastorius, in 1974. Dr. Z., I suggest that you might be confusing Pat Metheny with Pat Martino. Or else you just meant to type 1979, or 1989, or 1999... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > At 4:45 PM -0400 4/27/02, Butch wrote: > >Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > > > >Man, you don't know squat about Pat Metheny. No offense. > > You're right. I don't know squat about Pat Metheny. I heard one of > his records in 1969 and it wasn't to my taste. That doesn't mean I > don't think he isn't a fine guitarist or that I think he has bad > taste, or that people who like Metheny have bad taste. It's just not > my taste. > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16486; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020427155751.023ff498@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:00:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-Reply-To: <004301c1ee3e$d0e5f900$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1f_vJD.A.OBE.M1yy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If what RZ listens to is anything like what he performs, then I'd have to agree that Pat Metheny IS closer to Kenny G country than what RZ listens to. At 03:56 PM 2002/04/27, Paul wrote: >Sounds like hair-splittin' b.s. to me. > >Regards, Paul >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Zvonar" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:33 PM >Subject: Re: For G-bashers > > > > > And for the record, both Butch and Andrew misquoted by comment, which > > was "[Metheny is] more interesting than I thought, but still closer > > to Kenny G country that what I normall[y] listen to." > > > > How do you know what I normally listen to? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16651; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:00:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013701c1ee3f$3d7f7c80$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <002901c1ee3a$4d564da0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:59:50 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hell, even Tom Servo, Crow T. Robot and TV's Frank know about Kenny G, spouting "EVIL! EEEEEEVIL!" when the topic ever came up. Let's face it, some folks buy whatever they're told to buy. The rest of us - when there's enough money that is - perform selective purchasing. Nonetheless, is it wrong to think of Kenny G as an exponential artifact of the music business as it is today? NAH! I don't buy any Britney Spears either. Go figure. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:01:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16818; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:57:52 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For G-bashers References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <68PAbD.A.fGE.T2yy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does this mean Pat Metheny has usurped Robert Fripp as the Default Controversial Guitarist of Looping Discussion? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:08:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17531; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:09:48 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c1ee40$a0d4c1e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" > Richard: > > Pat was... uh... 15... in 1969. I don't know what you heard, but it wasn't > Pat Metheny. I'm no authority on Pat, but as far as I know, his first > (generally available) recording was with Paul Bley, Bruce Ditmas, and Jaco > Pastorius, in 1974. His first solo album was Bright Size Life in '77. > Dr. Z., I suggest that you might be confusing Pat > Metheny with Pat Martino. Or else you just meant to type 1979, or 1989, or > 1999... If you remember the '70s, you weren't there. :) * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17772; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:08:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:08:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:10:52 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001901c1ee40$c6bd58e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003401c1ee3e$8d9638e0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch" > How 'bout "the New Chatequa"? Sounds like a banana....New Chautauqua? dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18137; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c1ee41$020a5100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:12:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish Zappa held that revered position, and therefore I heard more people talking about him. In my humble opinion, his approach to music - and guitar playing specifically - was a thing of great beauty... and of course, controversy. I just wish he had lived long enough to get his hands on an EDP (or 2). Something tells me that most of us wouldn't be the same. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > Does this mean Pat Metheny has usurped Robert Fripp as the Default > Controversial Guitarist of Looping Discussion? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18595; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:13:18 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:48 PM -0500 4/27/02, Kevin Brunkhorst wrote: >Pat was... uh... 15... in 1969. He was very precocious. >I don't know what you heard, but it wasn't Pat Metheny...as far as I >know, his first (generally available) recording was with Paul Bley, >Bruce Ditmas, and Jaco Pastorius, in 1974. It might have been early 1974, or it might have been a tape. Or it might have been someone else that I confused with Pat Metheny. What other hot young smooth jazz guitarists were just starting to emerge on the scene in the 1969-74 time frame? >I suggest that you might be confusing Pat Metheny with Pat Martino. No. >Or else you just meant to type 1979, or 1989, or 1999... I meant to type 1969, because at the time I was in a band with a jazz pianist/organist from New England Conservatory. My recollection is that he and I were at some gig at NEC and that this recorded guitar music was playing over the PA and somebody said that it was Pat Metheny. The guitar tone was clean, he was playing in octaves, and the rhythm and changes were very inside. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:26:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19493; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:16:37 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <001101c1ee40$a0d4c1e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <001101c1ee40$a0d4c1e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:09 PM -0400 4/27/02, David Beardsley wrote: >If you remember the '70s, you weren't there. :) Hey, I remember the '40s. May be it's a case of GN (Galloping Senility). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20062; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:27:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:27:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c1ee43$16a02ca0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <003401c1ee3e$8d9638e0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <001901c1ee40$c6bd58e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:27:23 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [putting on tiny dog suit] Hey! Drop the Chatequa! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 00:10 AM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch" > > > > > How 'bout "the New Chatequa"? > > Sounds like a banana....New Chautauqua? > > dB > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20360; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:31:44 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002d01c1ee43$b1345160$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <001101c1ee40$a0d4c1e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > At 7:09 PM -0400 4/27/02, David Beardsley wrote: > > >If you remember the '70s, you weren't there. :) > > Hey, I remember the '40s. > > May be it's a case of GN (Galloping Senility). You've got no excuse here....G and N are on opposite sides of the keyboard. ;) Hell...I have problems remembering last week! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20417; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:29:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003801c1ee41$020a5100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:32:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: For G-bashers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I wish Zappa held that revered position, and therefore I heard more people >talking about him. In my humble opinion, his approach to music - and guitar >playing specifically - was a thing of great beauty... and of course, >controversy. > >I just wish he had lived long enough to get his hands on an EDP (or 2). >Something tells me that most of us wouldn't be the same. > I suspect Frank looped exactly as much as he wanted to. If he'd wanted to loop more, he had the equipment to do it. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:36:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21151; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:35:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:35:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c1ee11$d01ab330$27f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:34:39 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just my two cents: as far as i'm concerned, pat metheny might just be the baddest guitarist playing right now. as a huge straight-ahead jazz fan, he blows away the competition and i'm not just talking technically, but creatively. his fusion of traditional jazz and contemporary ideas is what is going to keep his records in print for a long time to come. he was what, 19, when he recorded b.s.l. with bob moses and jaco? by the way, it was recorded in 1975, copyright in '76. he was teaching in florida (or berkelee) prior to that...anyhow, a phenomenal talent, no matter what your taste may be. like i said, just my two cents... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:36:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21170; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:35:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c1ee44$3a94c660$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> <003801c1ee41$020a5100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:34:55 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How FZ's wonderful, inspirational, incredibly liquid guitar playing could be controverial is a bit beyond me, unless it has to do with the kind of Guitar God Worship I remember in the late 60s, when fellow kids - funny, not one of 'em guitar players! - would get in shouting matches about whether Clapton was better than Hendrix. Puleeze! It's Saturday! Go to someone else's gig and support 'em! (if you're in the US, it's still early enough there!) I don't think ANY instrument was the "same" after Frank had his hands on it. I remember that the folks who made the Synclavier once said that their support department would sweat bullets when he called. :) I think Frank's "controversy department" came from lyrics or what he said publicly, not what he played necessarily. Unless you include the types who'd leave a party upon hearing "I'm The Slime" come from the speakers. SP Goodman aka Spud Patrol! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > I wish Zappa held that revered position, and therefore I heard more people > talking about him. In my humble opinion, his approach to music - and guitar > playing specifically - was a thing of great beauty... and of course, > controversy. > > I just wish he had lived long enough to get his hands on an EDP (or 2). > Something tells me that most of us wouldn't be the same. > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre LaFosse" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: For G-bashers > > > > Does this mean Pat Metheny has usurped Robert Fripp as the Default > > Controversial Guitarist of Looping Discussion? > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21679; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:37:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:37:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:36:31 -0800 Subject: Re: For G-bashers From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Does this mean Pat Metheny has usurped Robert Fripp as the Default > Controversial Guitarist of Looping Discussion? and to bring this all the way back to on topic...anyone ever hear the album 'different trains' w/ kronos quartet&*pat metheny*? the PM cut is called 'electric counterpoint' and is a loop composition written by mr. reich(he calls them "canons"). here is an excerpt from the booklet: "In Electric Counterpoint the soloist pre-records as many as ten guitars and two electric bass parts and then plays the final 11th guitar part live against the tape.I would like to thank Pat Metheny for showing me how how to improve the piece by making it more idiomatic for the guitar." cool stuff s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:38:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21694; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c1ee45$a07ec060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net><001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <002001c1ee2e$9f3bfea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:45:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where does John Tesh fit between Kenny G and Pat Metheny? I once saw his band do 'conga line' kind of thing on TV. They looked pretty ridiculous. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch" > > > Pat Metheny close to Kenny G country! > > > > Man, you don't know squat about Pat Metheny. No offense. > > Thanks, I don't really have time for a detailed response....but > I will say that Pat makes a point about Kenny G being a > bad musican. Metheny is an incredible musican, he has > his slick group with Lyle Mays and then there's his less > commercial projects like the amazing Song X and Zero Tolerance for Silence. > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22547; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:37:18 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <002d01c1ee43$b1345160$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <001101c1ee40$a0d4c1e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <002d01c1ee43$b1345160$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:31 PM -0400 4/27/02, David Beardsley wrote: >You've got no excuse here....G and N are on opposite sides of >the keyboard. ;) I meant "GS" - see what I mean? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22548; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:47:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: For G-bashers Resent-Message-ID: <2BO9gC.A.GfF.ufzy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Does this mean Pat Metheny has usurped Robert Fripp as the Default >> Controversial Guitarist of Looping Discussion? > > >and to bring this all the way back to on topic...anyone ever hear the reich> album 'different trains' w/ kronos quartet&*pat metheny*? > the PM cut is called 'electric counterpoint' and is a loop composition >written by mr. reich(he calls them "canons"). That's probably the one thing I have that has Metheny playing on it. (Tho I treasure his anti-Kenny G. rant for all time.) For "normal" jazz, I've always like Larry Coryell's acoustic work. (His electric stuff makes no lasting impression on me.) My all time favorite acoustic guitar album is "Twin House," by Coryell and Philip Catherine. One reason I mention it is I have never been able to find it on CD, and my elpee is old. If ya want what I think would be a controversial electric guitar player, how 'bout James Blood Ulmer? Sometimes he's like a box of angry honeybees, being shaken. And then there's Adrian Belew ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23524; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:53:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c1ee14$47331050$27f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:52:18 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: pat metheny and steve reich VERY cool indeed. check out new york counterpoint if you like electric counterpoint. n.y.counterpoint is played on (bass?) clarinet and follows the same basic form...good to have both...hell, with reich, it's good to have it all (especially 8 lines and 18 musicians). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:56:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23917; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:48:47 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <002f01c1ee44$3a94c660$0201a8c0@eluk> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> <003801c1ee41$020a5100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <002f01c1ee44$3a94c660$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:34 AM +0100 4/28/02, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >I don't think ANY instrument was the "same" after Frank had his hands on it. >I remember that the folks who made the Synclavier once said that their >support department would sweat bullets when he called. :) I'm sure it was quite a difference from Jon Appleton. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23918; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:47:11 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: <006501c1ee45$a07ec060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <002001c1ee2e$9f3bfea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <006501c1ee45$a07ec060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-eJKbD.A.d0F.Dpzy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:45 PM -0400 4/27/02, Butch wrote: >Where does John Tesh fit between Kenny G and Pat Metheny? Considering the amount of space Metheny keeps from G, I think Tesh could fit without much trouble. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 19:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24469; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:57:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:57:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:59:39 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004701c1ee47$97aef980$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <002001c1ee2e$9f3bfea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <006501c1ee45$a07ec060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch" > Where does John Tesh fit between Kenny G and Pat Metheny? > > I once saw his band do 'conga line' kind of thing on TV. They looked > pretty ridiculous. Sounds silly! JT and Kenny G are not only in the same county, but live in the same building. I didn't think I had time for this...but it's the end of the day...I'm practicing... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 20:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26182; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:01:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:01:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar offered-- http://www.jazzguitar.com/features/kennyg.html Thanks for this--I had heard about it but great to examine the rant up close. KG's success underscores what I have noticed in entertainment--most folks don't want to be challenged in their listening. Looping is very musical--but I wonder how entertaining it is for those who don't want to have to pay attention. That's my personal definition of smooth jazz, BTW--jazz for people who don't want to have to pay attention. Sam Phillips says, "Music like magazines . . . and another dream goes by." Cruel Inventions. Hey Richard, where do I buy a battery for my Mitigator? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 20:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27640; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:11:21 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: For G-bashers In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0sxPzB.A.-uG.x7zy8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:47 PM -0400 4/27/02, just john wrote: >For "normal" jazz, I've always like Larry Coryell's acoustic work. (His >electric stuff makes no lasting impression on me.) Coryell had a rock bank in the '60s called the Free Spirits. A couple of years ago I was in a car rental place at Newark Airport and a couple guys came in with carts loaded with guitars, and noticing that I was wearing a Rhino Records T-shirt one of them struck up a conversation. He turned out to be Larry Coryell, and the other guy was his son Julian. I mentioned that I owned a copy of the Free Spirits album, Coryell's jaw dropped, and he said "I don't even have a copy of that!" I ended up making him a CD. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 20:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30579; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.199.73.103] From: "kevin gallagher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: For G-bashers Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:35:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2002 00:35:34.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C117700:01C1EE4C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A favorite quote of mine- "Don't confuse music with the music business" - advice given to a friend of mine by a record company executive while he was trying to land a deal. Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 21:11:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31536; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:43:56 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For G-bashers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006901c1ee4d$c7859f00$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <22hwSC.A.1aH.jU0y8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > At 7:47 PM -0400 4/27/02, just john wrote: > > >For "normal" jazz, I've always like Larry Coryell's acoustic work. (His > >electric stuff makes no lasting impression on me.) > > Coryell had a rock bank in the '60s called the Free Spirits. Is that where he kept his notes when he wasn't using them? Sorry...couldn't resist.... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 21:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00343; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:58:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:58:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:37:41 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Mitigator battery (was: For G-bashers) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:00 PM -0700 4/27/02, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Hey Richard, where do I buy a battery for my Mitigator? My RFC-1 has a NiCad battery, Varta brand, part number 3/170DK 3.6V 170maH Parts Express (800) 338-0531 should have them at $8.95. http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/catalog01/113_123.pdf -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 21:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02802; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:09:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCB3C54.A83E520D@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:03:32 +0200 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop IV References: <3CC9D5EB.6651F64C@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > >Neil > >to wet your apetite the manual is 47 pages long (pdf) > >Kim is finishing it (burn burn burn .....) > >Matthias went back to Brasil? moving in his new house > > well right now with Claudio Nucci in Maua, 1200m high, taking > waterfall shower and listening to his and Kal's marvelous curing > music. Maua where is that ? > >André is glitching > >Andy freaks out in Flip mode > >Bret is brother syncing > >Mark resetted threshold in sync:in > >And I am just happy its over (+800 mails with Matthias since december > >99) > > So am I. But I love this revew. Lets add that I spent twice a week or > more with you working full time on it. The mails with Andy probably > also added to hundreds. this wasnt work we also played, ate cereals, enjoyed the lake, met girls .... > We really did something new. Its not like programming a chorus > effect, when everybody knows what it sounds like and how its done, > its figuring out new functions, capture the weird musicians fantasies > and make them operatable and programmable. > Fascinating work, but we overdid it somehow. It took too long all > together and the poor old processor in the EDP made us too much work > to still make it work... I hope you will still accept us as experts for the next hardware if ever there is one > But we made it, and so far there is no real bug known, just 2-3 spots > where it may not exactly do what you expect... but you will have to > dig into the unit for a half year before you get there ;-) ! nonono with the video anybody will master the edp in 24h HAHAHA °L° - Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 21:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02121; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c1ee4c$280313a0$e464f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: "Kim Flint" , "Loopers Delight" , , Subject: ELECTRON SALON featuring Looping Artists in Santa Cruz, California Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:32:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I just wanted to let everyone know that I will be MCing an exciting show featuring a couple of loopers (Tom Heasley-Tuba and Dana Massie-Electric Salon) this coming Tuesday night in Santa Cruz, California at the Rio Theatre. Details are below. This is one in a brand new and continuing series of events that will be featuring looping artists (and other electronic and experimental artists) leading up to the famous WOODSTOCKHAUSEN experimental festival this coming summer www.woodstockhausen.com. I hope to see you all there. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) ELectron SAlon presents Video and Sound artists Tuesday, April 30th, 8pm Rio Theatre 1205 Soquel Avenue Santa Cruz, CA. ELectron SAlon features local and visiting artists in an evening of free sound and visual experimentation. * Live voice-electronic and visuals by Seungyon-Seny Lee and Nancy Levan * ESCO and virtual scratch by Ms Pinky * Looping artists Tom Heasley (tuba) and Dana Massie (guitar) * Arc Libre Trio jazz+electronic For this second concert, the visual band FXTC presents their new visual instrument, 'Kazoo'. The four musical sets will include experimentation on unusual instruments such as voice and tuba, and unexpected m^ilanges between jazz and electronics with Los Angeles based Arc Libre Trio. ELectron SAlon is also very honored to feature the public premiere of Miss Pinky, the new virtual scratch kit developed for djs and turntablists by Santa Cruz technology guru Scott Wardle. Local artists include soprano singer Nancy Levan, Luke Dahl, and Kevin Dineen of Run-Return. The "salon atmosphere" is provided courtesy of dj~ot. Check out some sound samples at: http://bayimproviser.com/audio_samples/tom_heasley_where_the_earth_ground_ze ro.r am http://www.onramparts.org/philcurtis/ARCLibre/samples.html ELectron SAlon is brought to you by the creative team behind Woodstockhausen, an annual tradition since 1998 also known as the "tiny festival of esoteric music" (www.woodstockhausen.com). Tickets are $10 at the door. No one will be turned away for lack of funds. Additional Info: veronique_larcher@hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 21:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05018; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCB5230.877A2594@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:42:16 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: For G-bashers References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <002001c1ee2e$9f3bfea0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> <006501c1ee45$a07ec060$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <004701c1ee47$97aef980$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch" > > > Where does John Tesh fit between Kenny G and Pat Metheny? > > > > I once saw his band do 'conga line' kind of thing on TV. They looked > > pretty ridiculous. > > Sounds silly! > > JT and Kenny G are not only in the same county, but live in the same > building. > > I didn't think I had time for this...but it's the end of the day...I'm > practicing... > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley just to separate people from their public personas, tesh has a kid at my daughter's grade school, so i know him a bit (tho i can't say i've ever listened to his music). he's actually a very funny, generously unassuming and personable fellow, with a good deal of self-deprecation with respect to how his music is perceived by those more discerning among us (i.e. everyone i know in the world, with the exception of john and his wife, i suppose)...tho his music may be corny as hell, he seems to be sincere about making it. not sure about kenny g., but from what metheny says, it sounds like he's got more than a little inflation of the ego (and a rather severe lack of talent/imagination/etc.). odd that metheny is so incensed, tho. live and let live, i say. if people are stupid enough to buy this music, then so be it. there are more important things to be angry about in this world. "shut up and play yer guitar..." lance g. (not to be confused) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 22:52:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09405; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:40:05 -0400 From: skincage Subject: Re: ELECTRON SALON featuring Looping Artists in Santa Cruz, California To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <003a01c1ee5e$01895b00$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002d01c1ee4c$280313a0$e464f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just wanted to say, electron salon is a GREAT name! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 22:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09483; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: myoder@dusty.tamiu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004a01c1ee11$d01ab330$27f8c440@g0wn7> References: <000901c1ee21$f15fbf80$47cc2444@uni on01.nj.comcast.net> <001501c1ee2c$68d44cc0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <004a01c1ee11$d01ab330$27f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:25:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Yoder Subject: Re: For G-bashers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >as far as i'm concerned, pat metheny might just be the baddest guitarist >playing right now. as a huge straight-ahead jazz fan, he blows away the competition and i'm not just talking technically, but creatively. I just caught Pat's show in Austin a couple weeks back, and it occurred to me, after having seen him live about five times now since the late 1970s, that he's got one of the most recognizable voices among contemporary jazz guitarists out there. His show lasted three hours, and it seemed like only half that long!! It's also his compositional style. . .the complexities of harmonic structures, the chord progressions that keep cycling into new areas. . . .that make him so damned relevant. On the other hand. . . it's futile to try to compare jazz guitarists who are quite different. For example, Terje Rypdal is also jazz as is Ahmad Mansour as is Derek Bailey as is Leni Stern, etc., etc.. So many excellent, unique players out there not getting the recognition they deserve in the corporate world of music production and distribution. As a bassist, what annoys me (oh God, y'all please don't attack me too badly!) is that so many electric bassists sound undistinguishable these days, no matter the idiom. I play mostly fretless P-bass (for a few years now) and a bit of electric upright (a recent thing), but for the most part the more interesting/influential bassists to me are those that play acoustic. I'm not saying there are no interesting elec. bassists; just comparatively few. Sorry for temporarily changing the subject. Michael -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies Texas A&M International University Department of Social Sciences 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 23:09:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12541; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c1ee62$3d7889c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <005301c1ee3d$a3a686e0$a54cbe42@dntn.tx.charter.com> <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> <003801c1ee41$020a5100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <002f01c1ee44$3a94c660$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:10:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I meant his approach to music was a bit controversial, even among his die-hard fans and among the musicians he employed to execute it. Then again, who cares? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > How FZ's wonderful, inspirational, incredibly liquid guitar playing could be > controverial is a bit beyond me, unless it has to do with the kind of Guitar > God Worship I remember in the late 60s, when fellow kids - funny, not one of > 'em guitar players! - would get in shouting matches about whether Clapton > was better than Hendrix. Puleeze! It's Saturday! Go to someone else's gig > and support 'em! (if you're in the US, it's still early enough there!) > > I don't think ANY instrument was the "same" after Frank had his hands on it. > I remember that the folks who made the Synclavier once said that their > support department would sweat bullets when he called. :) > > I think Frank's "controversy department" came from lyrics or what he said > publicly, not what he played necessarily. Unless you include the types > who'd leave a party upon hearing "I'm The Slime" come from the speakers. > > SP Goodman aka Spud Patrol! > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! > http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front - Cartoons and Illustrations! > http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > > > I wish Zappa held that revered position, and therefore I heard more people > > talking about him. In my humble opinion, his approach to music - and > guitar > > playing specifically - was a thing of great beauty... and of course, > > controversy. > > > > I just wish he had lived long enough to get his hands on an EDP (or 2). > > Something tells me that most of us wouldn't be the same. > > > > Doug > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andre LaFosse" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:57 PM > > Subject: Re: For G-bashers > > > > > > > Does this mean Pat Metheny has usurped Robert Fripp as the Default > > > Controversial Guitarist of Looping Discussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Apr 27 23:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13326; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020428032031.48583.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Banjology Subject: PDS - 1002 w/8 seconds? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003301c1ee62$3d7889c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is it possible to extend the pds 1002 to 8 seconds? John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 03:07:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26881; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:06:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020428070553.49473.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Frank Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204280016.UAA27856@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<>I wish Zappa held that revered position, and therefore I heard more people talking about him. In my humble opinion, his approach to music and guitar playing specifically - was a thing of great beauty... and of course, controversy. > >I just wish he had lived long enough to get his hands on an EDP (or 2). Something tells me that most of us wouldn't be the same. > I suspect Frank looped exactly as much as he wanted to. If he'd wanted to loop more, he had the equipment to do it.>> This is true. Frank most certainly could have gotten his hands on an E-H 16 Second Delay, for instance, if he was interested in such things. I know on the Guitar album, there's a track that ends with him making this crazy whammy bar noise, which he then loops, then layers a second loop on top of it. That was actually one of the first things I heard that really got me interested in looping (that and Fripp's Let The Power Fall, Torn's Cloud About Mercury). But I think it was something Frank really didn't get into the way someone like Fripp or Torn did. Fair enough. Frank Zappa is one of my favorite guitarists. He some of the most amazing guitar tones (especially during the early 80's), and he had a really amazing melodic sense and played stuff that was pretty crazy rhythmically. He once said one of his problems as a band leader (apart from finding guys who could cover all the styles he wanted he incorporated into his music, who could play the insane written stuff he came up with and weren't impossible to deal with) was finding a rhythm section that could follow when he improvised. If he had a less than adequate rhythm section, it forced him to play a certain way that bent towards what the drummer and bassist could do. He said the reason he could do the stuff that was on the Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar set was because he had Vinnie Calutia drumming with the band that played on most of it (I suppose, therefore, that Guitar sounds the way it does because had Chad Wackerman on most of it). I think any serious rock guitar junkie owes it to him or herself to check out Guitar, One Size Fits All, the entire You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore set, Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar, and Them Or Us. And Joe's Garage is essential listening, if for no other reason than for the studio version of Watermelon In Easter Hay, which is one of the most stunning guitar instrumentals I've heard. I don't particularly like the guitar tones he had on his earlier records (Hot Rats is an AMAZING record, but his guitar sounds like it's coming out of a speaker made out of wet cardboard, and it's not just the wah wah pedal either), but even there, he had some stunning stuff that's worth hearing. Burnt Weenie Sandwich is another favorite. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 11:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01254; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:14:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:14:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRvfw+yBILhtprEwrh7HjqRpYGEjwIUeOPQ4qRMLbs1kUoJRPQy1CobKxE= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:13:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frank Zappa Message-ID: <22037-3CCC11A0-5862@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Chris Richards 's message of Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <1SIuwB.A.6S.hGBz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did'nt really see Frank as a technical guitarist, as compared to many others. But it was his great mind and musical knowledge that led him to play the way he did. Did he ever take lessons? Listen to the musical interludes on Lumpy Gravy(inbetween the hilarious talking) there is some brilliant stuff, his last album (I think) Yellow shark. He went out with a bang. He alway hired other guitarist to play the hard stuff(Steve Vai). My point, His playing is a state of consciousness and not technical acrobatics. I like the earlier frank better,"Were only in it for the money" "Lumpy Gravy" "Overnight Sensation" He still had a cool guitar sound back in the sixties. Praise Frank, can I get an Amen brothers? " In the darkness you have no corners to hide in"FZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 12:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04923; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:07:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:07:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c1eece$ba8470c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <22037-3CCC11A0-5862@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Frank Zappa Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:06:58 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite FZ album is still Live in New York - both the CD and LP, since they're mixed differently - partially because I was at both the shows recorded, mostly because the album really captured the way it sounded. There was this idiot three rows in front who kept yelling, "yeaaaaaah, FRANK!", all the way through the show; on the LP at the end of Black Page pt. 2, you can hear him as it fades out. This has been edited out of the CD version, but it's the only thing I missed, besides the version of "Montana" they played at the Christmas shows. FZ truly still lives through his music. We can all only hope to have such longevity via our work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 16:13 PM Subject: Re: Frank Zappa > I did'nt really see Frank as a technical guitarist, as compared to many > others. But it was his great mind and musical knowledge that led him to > play the way he did. Did he ever take lessons? Listen to the musical > interludes on Lumpy Gravy(inbetween the hilarious talking) there is some > brilliant stuff, his last album (I think) Yellow shark. He went out with > a bang. He alway hired other guitarist to play the hard stuff(Steve > Vai). My point, His playing is a state of consciousness and not > technical acrobatics. I like the earlier frank better,"Were only in it > for the money" "Lumpy Gravy" "Overnight Sensation" He still had a cool > guitar sound back in the sixties. Praise Frank, can I get an Amen > brothers? " In the darkness you have no corners to hide in"FZ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 12:35:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06304; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:35:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:35:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:33:01 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Frank Zappa In-reply-to: <002101c1eece$ba8470c0$0201a8c0@eluk> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <22037-3CCC11A0-5862@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> <002101c1eece$ba8470c0$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This summer in eastern Germany the Grandmothers will play in a festival devoted to Zappa. According to Don Preston, during the Soviet era it was a crime punishable by imprisonment to possess a Zappa record. A statue of FZ will be unveiled. A similar monument was erected in 1995 in Vilnius, Lithuania. I don't have any specific information about the festival, but if you'll be in the region this summer and want to attend you might ask Don. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 12:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06573; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:36:50 -0500 Subject: Re: For G-bashers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "the complexities of harmonic structures, the chord progressions that keep cycling into new areas...that make him so damned relevant." his songs are usually pretty deceptive. he manages to write very complex songs and they're still very "singable"...musicians and non-musicians will all leave his concerts humming the melodies. i agree that a jazz guitarist comparison is a bit pointless, but derek bailey probably lives outside of the world of straight-ahead jazz. guys like jimmy raney, kenny burrell, joe pass...all essential guitarists, but out of the guys/gals currently playing, i favor metheny. they all have their strong points. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 12:54:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07273; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:53:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:53:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c1eed6$3e4c89e0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: Subject: Re: For G-bashers Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:00:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about someone REALLY underated? John Abercrombie. Popular in Europe. Hardly known outside of certain jazz circles in the US. When will ECM release ARCADE on CD? Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: For G-bashers > "the complexities of harmonic structures, the chord > progressions that keep cycling into new areas...that > make him so damned relevant." > > his songs are usually pretty deceptive. he manages to > write very complex songs and they're still > very "singable"...musicians and non-musicians will all > leave his concerts humming the melodies. > > i agree that a jazz guitarist comparison is a bit > pointless, but derek bailey probably lives outside of > the world of straight-ahead jazz. guys like jimmy > raney, kenny burrell, joe pass...all essential > guitarists, but out of the guys/gals currently > playing, i favor metheny. they all have their strong > points. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 13:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09344; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:06:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c1eed6$e4cdf740$89615cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #266 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #266 April 25, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Saul Stokes, a synthesist who builds his own instruments and feels that live performance is where his music is best created. The Featured CD at midnight was "Edge of the Forest" released in handmade boxes by the artist. The vinyl show starter was from the LP "Apollo Atmosphere and Soundtracks" by Brian Eno on the Editions E.G. label. I played the music of Eric Wollo who played at the Gathering on April 27. Saul Stokes http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#apr Eric Wollo http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Brian Eno Matta Apollo Atmospheres and Soundtracks (Editions E.G.) Eric Wollo Rain Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Eric Wollo Distant View Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Eric Wollo Huldra 2 Wind Journey (Spotted Peccary) Rudy Adrian and Between Worlds Concerts in New Zealand Nick Prosser (Quantum) Rudy Adrian and Digital Start Streeams Concerts in New Zealand Nick Prosser (Quantum) FSP, AirSculpture, Road to Nowhere Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (Neu Brewer and Fox Harmony and Quantum) Akikaze Self-development Leap in the Dark (Quantum) Orbital Decay exertp from Live on EMUSIC 27-Dec-2001 Robert Rich and Ian Tuning In Outpost (DiN) Boddy 12:00 am Saul Stokes track 1 Edge of the Forest (none) Saul Stokes track 2 Edge of the Forest (none) Saul Stokes track 3 Edge of the Forest (none) Saul Stokes track 4 Edge of the Forest (none) Saul Stokes track 5 * Edge of the Forest (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begain a the month-long focus on Steve Roach and vidnaObmana. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc one from "Well of Souls" on the Projekt label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Possible Musics" by Jon Hassell and Brian Eno on the Editions E.G. label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 13:28:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10694; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:26:59 -0700 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: Frank Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20020428070553.49473.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.1 (Blindsider) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Utterly seconded, thirded, fourth, etc. Also, he relied heavily on the Synclavier in his later work, and from interviews I got the impression that he could do most of the things he envisioned in his head on it. I have all his albums, and from a guitar perspective the albums you enumerated are definately worth having. 12:05 AM Chris Richards >Frank Zappa is one of my favorite guitarists. He >some of the most amazing guitar tones (especially >during the early 80's), and he had a really >amazing melodic sense and played stuff that was >pretty crazy rhythmically. He once said one of >his problems as a band leader (apart from finding >guys who could cover all the styles he wanted he >incorporated into his music, who could play the >insane written stuff he came up with and weren't >impossible to deal with) was finding a rhythm >section that could follow when he improvised. If >he had a less than adequate rhythm section, it >forced him to play a certain way that bent >towards what the drummer and bassist could do. He >said the reason he could do the stuff that was on >the Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar set was because he >had Vinnie Calutia drumming with the band that >played on most of it (I suppose, therefore, that >Guitar sounds the way it does because had Chad >Wackerman on most of it). > >I think any serious rock guitar junkie owes it to >him or herself to check out Guitar, One Size Fits >All, the entire You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore >set, Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar, and Them Or Us. >And Joe's Garage is essential listening, if for >no other reason than for the studio version of >Watermelon In Easter Hay, which is one of the >most stunning guitar instrumentals I've heard. > >I don't particularly like the guitar tones he had >on his earlier records (Hot Rats is an AMAZING >record, but his guitar sounds like it's coming >out of a speaker made out of wet cardboard, and >it's not just the wah wah pedal either), but even >there, he had some stunning stuff that's worth >hearing. Burnt Weenie Sandwich is another >favorite. > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl >Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 14:10:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13744; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:09:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:09:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020428180849.12924.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Frank Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204281728.NAA10906@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Well, I think just about everything that wasn't "approved" by the Soviet government was illegal, which included pretty much all music from the West. Why do you think The Beatles were so popular on the black market in the USSR? But I can believe Frank was a big deal in the Eastern Bloc nations. I mean, one of the first things Vaclev Havel did once he got elected President of...was it Checkslovakia or Yugoslavia (or one of the other countries?), anyway, when Havel got elected, like the first thing he did was invite Frank over for an official visit. I remember reading about it in Rolling Stone back in the day, they made it sound like Havel turned into something of a fanboy in Frank's presence, naming his favorite albums and so forth. At the time it sounded odd that a newly elected government official would hang out a rock musician, but I now I can see why Frank was such a idol to the opressed music fans of the Soviet Bloc, and thusly, why Havel would be so eager to meet him once the opportunity presented itself. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 14:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16537; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:54:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:54:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:55:54 -0700 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Gig Spam: The Ramayana June 6,7,8 To: Miko Biffle Message-id: <001101c1eee6$53f8fd40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear People, Once again I'm honored to be playing guitar in the pit band for this exciting play put on by the Mount Madonna School! The legendary tale, the Ramayana, of Ram and Sita and their struggles with the temptations of the world of Maya, and their devotion to the path of Dharma and service, has been told though the ages in countless ways. Mount Madonna, the Hanuman Fellowship and Mount Madonna Choir have performed numerous versions of the Ramayana yearly, spanning a period of over two decades. With abilities beyond their years, and a professional production crew and band, watch the students of the Mount Madonna school cast their spell on the audience as they re-tell this timeless classic. I believe Friday and Saturday performances will be around 7:30-ish and the Sunday performance will be in the early afternoon. Please be sure to come up and say hello if you attend the performance! Best regards, -Miko Biffle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- The Mount Madonna School Theater Group presents... Ramayana! Performances on June 7,8,9 at the World Theater at Cal State Monterey Bay, Seaside, CA. Tickets can be purchased from the World Theater box office: 831.582.4580 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 15:24:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19104; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:23:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:23:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1eeea$15dc4680$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <001101c1eee6$53f8fd40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Subject: Re: Gig Spam: The Ramayana June 6,7,8 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:22:39 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good luck and have a great show! :) One of these days I'll be able to catch ya! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: "Miko Biffle" Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 19:55 PM Subject: Gig Spam: The Ramayana June 6,7,8 > Dear People, > > Once again I'm honored to be playing guitar in the pit band for this > exciting play put on by the Mount Madonna School! The legendary tale, the > Ramayana, of Ram and Sita and their struggles with the temptations of the > world of Maya, and their devotion to the path of Dharma and service, has > been told though the ages in countless ways. > > Mount Madonna, the Hanuman Fellowship and Mount Madonna Choir have performed > numerous versions of the Ramayana yearly, spanning a period of over two > decades. With abilities beyond their years, and a professional production > crew and band, watch the students of the Mount Madonna school cast their > spell on the audience as they re-tell this timeless classic. > > I believe Friday and Saturday performances will be around 7:30-ish and the > Sunday performance will be in the early afternoon. Please be sure to come up > and say hello if you attend the performance! > > Best regards, > -Miko Biffle > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------- > The Mount Madonna School Theater Group presents... > > Ramayana! > > Performances on June 7,8,9 at the World Theater at Cal State Monterey Bay, > Seaside, CA. > > Tickets can be purchased from the World Theater box office: 831.582.4580 > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 15:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19274; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:24:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:24:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c1eeea$1b51fb00$bf2e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: OT - Near Field Monitors Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:22:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1EEFA.DE7615C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1EEFA.DE7615C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. As I was looking around for some cheap near-field monitors (just = as a spare for mine, to use with my laptop when I'm away from home and = to have another kind of reference when I'm mixing and mastering), I = stumbled across a pair of used Genelec 1019a biamplified nearfields. Has = anyone ever tried them and can give me some advice? The price seems = acceptable and they seem to be in good shape. I tried them and the cones = are working well. What do you think of them? I was looking for something like the Yamaha NS10-M, or the new MS-5A. = (something flat in the response). Thanks In Advance Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1EEFA.DE7615C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all. As I was looking around for = some cheap=20 near-field monitors (just as a spare for mine, to use with my laptop = when I'm=20 away from home and to have another kind of reference when I'm = mixing and=20 mastering), I stumbled across a pair of used Genelec 1019a biamplified=20 nearfields. Has anyone ever tried them and can give me some advice? The = price=20 seems acceptable and they seem to be in good shape. I tried them and the = cones=20 are working well. What do you think of them?
I was looking for something like the = Yamaha NS10-M,=20 or the new MS-5A. (something flat in the response).
 
Thanks In Advance
 
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1EEFA.DE7615C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 16:54:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24436; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:57:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re; G bashing Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What did Kenny G say when he got in the elevator? This place Rocks!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 17:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26660; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:01:03 -0400 From: skincage Subject: Re: OT - Near Field Monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <00c401c1eef7$cf13d200$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001201c1eeea$1b51fb00$bf2e2697@o4z6b8> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luigi, if you get the yamahas be mindful that the bass tapers off FAST after 80 hz so you might not be hearing your real low end and might add too much bass to compensate if you didn't know to watch out for it. i have a pair from a demo and we tested it out with real time analyzer software using pink noise, you could actually see the rolloff on the frequency display in the software. i'm using them still though as i can't fork out the cash for active monitors. if you can get them cheap though go for it, they sound like good home stereo speakers and that's what most people have. mainly just get as many perspectives as you can with your mixes, burn them on cd and go listen at other people's houses, on cheap stereos, in the car, really loud in walmart, anything you can think of. you'll go nuts trying to get everything right with only one way to listen, trust me on this one!! Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Luigi Meloni To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: OT - Near Field Monitors Hi all. As I was looking around for some cheap near-field monitors (just as a spare for mine, to use with my laptop when I'm away from home and to have another kind of reference when I'm mixing and mastering), I stumbled across a pair of used Genelec 1019a biamplified nearfields. Has anyone ever tried them and can give me some advice? The price seems acceptable and they seem to be in good shape. I tried them and the cones are working well. What do you think of them? I was looking for something like the Yamaha NS10-M, or the new MS-5A. (something flat in the response). Thanks In Advance Peace Luigi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 17:06:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26846; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:03:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Frank Zappa From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22037-3CCC11A0-5862@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I did'nt really see Frank as a technical guitarist, as compared to many > others. But it was his great mind and musical knowledge that led him to > play the way he did. Did he ever take lessons? Listen to the musical > interludes on Lumpy Gravy(inbetween the hilarious talking) there is some > brilliant stuff, his last album (I think) Yellow shark. He went out with > a bang. He alway hired other guitarist to play the hard stuff(Steve > Vai)... or the weird stuff: adrian belew i have always dug frank z.,bought the 1st 'mothers' album when it came out, but fer me the fact that he got adrian belew out of rock obscurity will always remain special fer me.who knew? frank knew s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 17:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28760; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:40:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:40:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCC6C6F.3E27233D@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:48:42 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT abercrombie References: <007701c1eed6$3e4c89e0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Butch wrote: > What about someone REALLY underated? John Abercrombie. Popular in Europe. > Hardly known outside of certain jazz circles in the US. > > When will ECM release ARCADE on CD? > *timeless*. very inventive pedal dynamics. saw him late '70's...original, great player. haven't followed him much since then- anything newer to recommend? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 17:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29790; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:50:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:50:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:43:37 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Frank Zappa In-reply-to: <20020428180849.12924.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020428180849.12924.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:08 AM -0700 4/28/02, Chris Richards wrote: >was it Checkslovakia or Yugoslavia (or one of the other countries?), Big difference! The writer Vaclav Havel was the first president of post-Soviet Czechoslovakia and its successor nations the Czech and Slovak Federation and the Czech Republic (and office he still holds). http://www.hrad.cz/president/Havel/index_uk.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 18:03:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31674; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:02:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:02:27 -0500 Subject: OT: speaker cabinets Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody have experience with the following cabinets? i'm looking to upgrade from my current raezer's edge as they tend to break up too much for my taste. epifani bergantino euphonic audio ebs any other suggestions are welcome. thanks for the advice. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 18:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32237; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.compact.dhs.org: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT abercrombie Message-ID: <1020032076.3ccc744c92c48@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <007701c1eed6$3e4c89e0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <3CCC6C6F.3E27233D@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3CCC6C6F.3E27233D@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Butch wrote: > What about someone REALLY underated? John Abercrombie. Popular in > Europe. Hardly known outside of certain jazz circles in the US. He did a series of excellent recordings with Dr Lonnie Smith (organist ... all round bad ass motherfucker) and Marvin "Smitty" Smith (Tonight Show drummer). A two-disc tribute to Jimi Hendrix, and another disc dedicated to Coltrane. they're among my favourite organ trio recordings. john is kindofa tone freak geetarist type. very unusual in the context of an organ trio (usually organists play with guitarists who just want that ES-175 through a clean solidstate amp with a lowpass filter set about 4000k kinda sound). works very well. i wanna see him do an album with Klaus Schulze really bad ... Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 18:18:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32506; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: RE: speaker cabinets Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:17:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently brought my Stick and my Mackie SRM450 to a dealer to compare it to various Bergantino cabinets and a Crest amp. IMO, as well as those in the guitar store, Bergantino 3x10 was the best of the bergs. Really wonderful! More full-bodied, dynamic and open sounding than the Mackie. FYI - other cabs that I have recently heard and loved include: BagEnd TA series with ELF sub, and Accugroove. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net [mailto:JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: speaker cabinets anybody have experience with the following cabinets? i'm looking to upgrade from my current raezer's edge as they tend to break up too much for my taste. epifani bergantino euphonic audio ebs any other suggestions are welcome. thanks for the advice. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 18:35:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00734; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:34:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:34:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1ef05$c8c7d960$0749dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: Subject: New Jazzer on the list Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:41:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. I am a jazz guitarist from Champaign, IL who just joined the list. I have been building a looping setup with two Boss RC-20 Loop Stations, and am almost done with it. This jazz setup consists of an Ibanez Artist AR-250 with a Copeland hex humbucker pickup in the neck position to split the strings so that the top four go through a guitar amp simulator and the bottom two can go through a Dano Chili Dog octave divider pedal and a Sansmp Bass DI for a bass sound. I ended up with two RC-20's when a certain mail order place sent me two when I only ordered and paid for one! After I had them for a while, I realized that when you string two RC-20's in series you can do a lot of cool tricks like recording a long loop over multiple repitiions of a short loop (like the Multiply pedal on the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex). I have 4-bar jazz drum loops (from the Peter Erskine Living Drums CD plus a few from regular jazz CDs) stored in the first RC-20, which I play bass-and-guitar accompaniments over, then loop the whole thing and solo on it. I intend to use this setup mostly for straight jazz, but I have done some messing around in other styles. I did a few gigs using my Roland VG-8 and a borrowed Oberheim Echoplex to do Mahavishnu Orchestra tunes and simulate a bluegrass band. I'm interested to hear from other loopers doing jazz stuff, and others using the two-RC-20s-in-series trick. Thanks! Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 18:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01351; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.252] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: speaker cabinets Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:41:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2002 22:41:52.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[E40CE5D0:01C1EF05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy, Jim, you might also want to check into the 1X12's made by Harry Kolbe/Soundsmith in NYC(I think the website is still www.soundsmith.com); I've heard very good things about his speakers. Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 19:38:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05528; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:37:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:36:19 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: speaker cabinets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005901c1ef0d$7fe5bb60$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just thought I would post some thoughts of my side-by-side comparison of an Eden 410XLT and Epifani T-212. FYI, the other gear used in this test was an Eden Navigator preamp, Hafler power amp, Lakland 5 string basses (fretted and fretless), and a fretted MTD 535. Immediately, to my surprise, the 410XLT has a more pronounced bottom end, but this is probably more bass overtones accentuated by the cabinet design (or front facing ports). In spite of the fact that I would think a 12" driver can produce lower "raw" frequencies, the Epifani doesn't seem to have any bottom end frequencies the cabinet accentuates, so it's a little more tight sounding. I think the Eden would tend to sound "louder", or "fuller" at lower volumes, kind of like a "loudness switch" that puts a slight curve in the bass frequencies. The Epifani 2x12 could play at much louder volumes and have really solid bass without breaking up, not that I ever turn up loud enough that the Eden breaks up. I really thought the Epifani T-212 would have more of an "old school" kind of bottom end kick to it, but it doesn't, so I still kind of prefer 410XLT when playing Funk or Jazz with horns ... for Fusion or Rock, I may like the tighter sound and volume capacity of the Epifani. In the case of the Eden, sometimes a few resonated bass overtones from the cabinet aren't a bad thing ... As for the B string tone, the Eden does bring out a nice low end growl to the overall sound whereas the Epifani has a punchier, more articulate sound to my ears. Although, the Eden sounded "quicker" ... the Epifani kind of felt "slower" to form the note, if that makes any sense. Now if you have a bass with an active preamp and start cranking the bass knob, the Epifani will be more forgiving and actually try to reproduce what is being sent to it from the amp a little more, the Eden would just get real boomy fast ... but then again, you may want that effect. For a metaphor reference, to my ears, the Eden 410XLT is like a running through a warm tube amp (where ever so slight distortion is not a bad thing) and the Epifani 2x12 is more like a high powered solid state sounding cabinet. To me, I think this is one of the reasons that Eden came out with the 410XST ... so they can have a cabinet that replicates what some of the other "high end" cabinets are sounding like these days ... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: OT: speaker cabinets > anybody have experience with the following cabinets? > i'm looking to upgrade from my current raezer's edge > as they tend to break up too much for my taste. > > epifani > bergantino > euphonic audio > ebs > > any other suggestions are welcome. > > thanks for the advice. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Apr 28 23:50:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20800; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:49:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:49:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ba01c1ef30$f112e2e0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <3CCB2CEF.A84EF759@altruistmusic.com> Subject: The Ambient Ping presents ARC + unravelled brown cassette tape lying on a freeway Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:50:02 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5ey_XC.A.SCF.4KMz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week we've uploaded a special page of photos from the Robert Rich concert at Art System Gallery with dreamSTATE and General Chaos Visuals on April 7th. - Have a look here: http://www.theambientping.com/robert_rich_070402.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday April 30th 2002 - ARC and unravelled brown cassette tape lying on a freeway ARC's sound is centred on the melodic loops, textures, & samples provided by Aidan Baker's heavily-effected guitar. This is overlaid with percussionists Richard & Chris' tribal-esque rhythms, creating a roiling tapestry of both rhythmic & ambient sound, a sound simultaneously prim(ev)al & avant-garde. ARC will have copies of "Repercussion" their latest CD, which was recorded live in Jan.2002 at The Ambient Ping with subsequent overdubbing/extensions by Aidan. http://fade.to/arc Visiting us from Winnipeg, here's the artist's description of his set: "the unravelled brown cassette tape lying on a freeway will create a piece of sound sculpture. it will start and it will end. it will dig itself into the subconscience of the listener. it may cause feelings of uneasiness or dread, perhaps feelings of joy and celebration. it will straddle a fine line between melody, drone and chaos using bass, keyboard and found sound. one will not leave unaffected in some way." http://www.geocities.com/unravelledbrowncassetetape/ Between sets CD - "Music For Airports" by Brian Eno (EG Records) The classic (tapeloop) album that first defined the term Ambient Music in 1978. This album has been played to open every new location of the Ping & will be played tonight as a gentle celebration of our first year of performances at C'est What. On April 24th 2001, dreamSTATE played the first "test show" here, then cheryl o & Richard Underhill began the new regular residency on May 22nd 2001. Cheers to our friends at C'est What! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday May 7th - Joe G and Mach 747 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 00:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23487; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:28:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:28:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c1ef03$d6bd8710$3cf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <005901c1ef0d$7fe5bb60$0282c83f@kinesys1> Subject: Re: speaker cabinets Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:27:09 +0100 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tight, focused, loads of headroom = good open, boomy = not so good i'll be using them with an eight-string guitar/bass...low E on a bass up to Eb...and my raezer's edge just aren't keeping up very well. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 02:05:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28988; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:04:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:04:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c1ef43$a0e82420$572e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <007701c1eed6$3e4c89e0$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> <3CCC6C6F.3E27233D@earthlink.net> <1020032076.3ccc744c92c48@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: OT abercrombie Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:03:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i wanna see him do an album with Klaus Schulze really bad ... Me,too. I love some of his ECM recordings. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 04:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04053; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101c1eee6$53f8fd40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:51:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Gig Spam: The Ramayana June 6,7,8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Dear People, > >Once again I'm honored to be playing guitar in the pit band for this >exciting play put on by the Mount Madonna School! I've seen schools named after saints and generals and towns and even techniques, but I've never seen one named after some guy's ambition. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 10:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23982; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:13:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:13:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429141258.41947.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: zappa!(was Re: For G-bashers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5puzjC.A.c2F.wTVz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I suspect Frank looped exactly as much as he wanted to. If he'd wanted >to >loop more, he had the equipment to do it. Actually, I’d say that he didn’t. zappa was so cutting edge that several synths and other instruments were created specifically for his use (as with other musicians now and from his time). I’m sure that he would have found a way to loop more if he was really focused on looping, but the great thing about that man was that he was never running out of ideas. Few musicians have a catalog like zappa’s (who released multiple albums each year at times) and few musicians were embracing technology and techniques the way zappa did…although maybe I should say few musicians getting noticed by the public were embracing the technology as I’m sure that there is someone with their finger on the reply button ready to prove me wrong 10 times over… I agree…zappa would certainly have showed us a thing or three about creative ways to use this gear…by the way, does anyone know specifically if zappa ever really experimented with looping like on civilization phase III (which I still haven’t heard, but am dying to hear) or some other of his more obscure works? Although, I’m not really sure if zappa would have enjoyed looping…the first statement made on lumpy gravy is that round or circular things are boring… E va n|s sa B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 10:18:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24237; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Comfortable headphone recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:16:47 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 04/29/2002 10:16:50 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << Comfortable enough to listen to a walkman for 4 hours on a train ride? -- >> If you need to wear headphones for long periods, as I do (all my studio work is done with 'em, due to excessively sensitive hearing of spouse...), check out Etymotic ER4S at: http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=3&subTopicID=26 These are in-ear phones for which you can have custom ear molds made....once in place they sound great, offer over 30dB of isolation and can literally be worn all day without discomfort. Good site for headphones of all kinds, btw... David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 10:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24878; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:24:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:24:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAg4zMmU30DVaZ2lxN+fd9k3+VcPgCFC7+UZNnzuFbkIb/sdlkldfsikLm From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frank Zappa Message-ID: <16175-3CCD5787-6325@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Richard Zvonar 's message of Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:43:37 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy crap. The Doctor has an answer for everything. Just ask the Doc. incredible. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 10:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25326; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429143338.4026.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: Frank Zappa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020428070553.49473.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >towards what the drummer and bassist could do. He >said the reason he could do the stuff that was on >the Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar set was because he >had Vinnie Calutia drumming with the band that >played on most of it (I suppose, therefore, that >Guitar sounds the way it does because had Chad >Wackerman on most of it). Actually, and I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that the whole ‘thing’ behind the guitar and shut up n’ play yer guitar albums is that the backing music was written to the guitar solos. I remember reading somewhere (where I couldn’t tell you because I have so much zappa stuff, that it would be impossible to pin point, but I almost want to tell you to check the liner notes of shut up n’ play) that he was going for a new idea in writing by having the guitar solos and then writing music to accompany the solos (pretty damn creative approach imho)…which brings us to the whole…what came first, the chicken or the egg? Or in this case…what came first, the solo or the band n’ a box track? And for those of you looking to check out zappa, but have no clue where to start…I got hooked from apostrophe/overnight sensation, but still cling to we’re only in it for the money as my personal fav! Smell ya later, E va n|s sa B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 10:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25488; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:36:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:36:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429143530.11944.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:35:30 -0700 (PDT) From: petr Subject: Fripp/Eno's reel to reel tape delay/looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200204291416.KAA24126@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A while ago, there was a discussion on Fripp/Eno's reel to reel tape delay/looper. I came accross a good description of their system hook up, including a detailed graphic scheme. Look at Ted Greenwald: _The Musician's Home Recording Handbook_. petr ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 10:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25688; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:38:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7KfbBC.A.3QG.4rVz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last night: Bill Frisell and Greg Leisz at the Continental Club in Austin. Both performers had DL4s, both performers sounded fantastic and both performers were warm, friendly and obviously having fun. Lots of looping, especially from Bill. He used his EH 16-second delay to great effect (I'd like to learn more about this box), mangling his loops into atonal, double speed, backwards mischief, while the DL4 was used primarily as a straight-ahead looper (that's nearly oxymoronic, isn't it?). Greg used his DL4 mainly as a delay unit, though it was subtle: there were many times in which he would reach over and adjust the thing (it was on a chair beside him), but I couldn't discern the difference. He did loop once or twice, again subtly. Shocker: Bill was running stereo through a Lexicon MPX-100, decorated with a sticker of a trout. I've had this box for a while and have generally been unimpressed, but it sure sounded good last night. Well, I suppose Bill sounded good last night. The MPX-100 certainly didn't seem to be hurting him, though. Oh, and the trainspotters! Men of all ages--16 to 61--scrutinizing the set-ups. I hope I was more subtle. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 10:44:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25874; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:43:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:43:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQusA/1uT5DbhU29ZQXLy4Ani5zoQIUL1kKCbmJDoB2+j1YIcCNuWmgSY8= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zappa!(was Re: For G-bashers) Message-ID: <16175-3CCD5BD6-6349@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Evan Meyers 's message of Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evan, Franks, The mothers statement"round and circular things are boring" was making fun of the older dogmatic people who were squares. Squaresville man. And was'nt Eno and Fripp doing looping while he was alive. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 11:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27755; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429145946.7428.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: OT: speaker cabinets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- >anybody have experience with the following cabinets? >i'm looking to upgrade from my current raezer's edge >as they tend to break up too much for my taste. >epifani I played through something by epifani this weekend at a list-member’s, bill cummings, place…I can’t remember whether it was the cabinet or the head that was made by epifani (bill can probably answer that), but I do remember being quite impressed with its frequency response. It had sharp punchy highs and really smooth lows…I was sending a bass through the repeater into the head/cab… Side note – it was quite fun getting together with another list member to jam and I look forward to jamming with other list members as well as future jams with bill and dan “the man” ash…thanks for the invite guys! Later days…evan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 11:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28363; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCD646D.94446C23@usa.net> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:19:10 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: speaker cabinets References: <200204291416.KAA24127@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Fowler asked: <<>> I am proud to represent A3 Audio, and would be happy to refer you to one of my dealers. They are American made, with 3 different series at 3 different price points. Based on my experience so far, the A3's are competitive with anyone else's more expensive series. So the entry level stuff competes with most mid=priced stuff, etc. Let me know your budget and your requirements and I'll try to point you to some specific models. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel • Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without • 888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Give a listen to my original music <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 11:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29063; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:14:48 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: tangled cords.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004b01c1ef90$9a407850$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3CC9D67C.CCBDFEFD@vtx.ch> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There is two ways to do it: > short cables you double until they are only about 30 cm and then make > a knot into the whole multiple strip. >... > ... Many have warned me saying that this kills the cable. I > answer that in the last 20 years it did not kill one of mine. Maybe > because I dont make the knot it exactly the same spot each time... > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org i learned this trick some time ago and my first reaction was that the cables would be ruined by the repeated stress. the guy who showed it to me swore that this was not so, so i tried it. i have been doing this for about 5 years and no cable problems yet. i think the stress on the cable at the plug ends is always going to be greater. that's why the cable makers usually reinforce the cable there. no telling what it does to the cable directionality, though. (lol) maybe a new way to make loops... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 11:30:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29071; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:27:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:27:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429152615.91019.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: zappa!(was Re: For G-bashers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <16175-3CCD5BD6-6349@storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Evan, Franks, The mothers statement"round and circular things are >boring" was making fun of the older dogmatic people who were squares. >Squaresville man. I guess all of zappa’s words and intentions are open to different interpretation. I’ve read several things about the man and I would even say that his descriptions of what he was doing is even open to interpretation...and has been interpretted differently by many... > And was'nt Eno and Fripp doing looping while he was >alive. Bill/Las Vegas good point...I’m not sure about dates involving looping history, but I think that zappa’s overall approach to music revolved around the idea of things constantly changing and not being the same...maybe he just didn’t care about looping or didn’t see the potential with it? Its all about the conceptual continuity... the present day composer refuses to die. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 12:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02355; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:23:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:23:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429162257.50489.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT - Near Field Monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c1eeea$1b51fb00$bf2e2697@o4z6b8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Luigi Meloni wrote: > Hi all. As I was looking around for some cheap near-field monitors > (just as a spare for mine, to use with my laptop when I'm away from > home and to have another kind of reference when I'm mixing and > mastering), I stumbled across a pair of used Genelec 1019a > biamplified nearfields. Has anyone ever tried them and can give me > some advice? The price seems acceptable and they seem to be in good > shape. I tried them and the cones are working well. What do you think > of them? > I was looking for something like the Yamaha NS10-M, or the new MS-5A. > (something flat in the response). They'll be a lot better then the NS10s, but that's not really saying much, since NS10s aren't very good monitors. Ubiquitous, yes. They sound bad in studios all over the world. I'm not familiar with the 1019A model, did you mean 1029? Or the 1091 sub (designed to be used with the 1029s). A lot of people like the Genelecs, but the 1029s are the smallest ones they make and I've heard some comments saying they don't compete with the more famous ones (1031, etc). A friend of mine (who's ears I trust) says he thinks Genelecs are too flattering to the signals you run through them, preventing true critical listening. I haven't used 'em myself. IMO, NS10s are only useful for checking a mix to see if it's messed up in the midrange, and to see what it'll sound like on a junky playback system. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 12:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02862; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:28:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:28:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429162739.65342.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT - Near Field Monitors To: loopers-delight In-Reply-To: <00c401c1eef7$cf13d200$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- skincage wrote: > if you get the yamahas be mindful that the bass tapers off FAST after > 80 hz so you might not > be hearing your real low end and might add too much bass to > compensate if you didn't know to > watch out for it. Definitely. The other danger is that you'll undermix the upper mids, since the NS10s are so pronounced (harsh) in that region. Beyond that, I don't like working on them because they are extremely fatiguing to listen to for any extended period of time. I can work for several hours using my Tannoys, or something like the Mackie monitors, but NS10s will have my ears burnt in just a few minutes. But yeah, I have a set. Doesn't everyone? Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 12:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03898; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:40:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:38:34 -0400 From: skincage Subject: for the more experienced reverb enthusiasts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: skincage Message-id: <008701c1ef9c$4e6baa60$63483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone have an opinion on an old tube/spring reverb called the Fisher K-10 spacexpander? i know one guy with one and he likes it but i can't find crap about it online, which is understandable i guess since it's a 60s unit. thanks! jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 12:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03880; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:40:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:39:41 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: OT - Near Field Monitors In-reply-to: <20020429162257.50489.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 4/29/02 9:22 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com or somebody wrote: > A lot of people like the Genelecs, but the 1029s are the smallest ones > they make and I've heard some comments saying they don't compete with > the more famous ones (1031, etc). A friend of mine (who's ears I trust) > says he thinks Genelecs are too flattering to the signals you run > through them, preventing true critical listening. I haven't used 'em > myself. I use a pair of 1029As with the 10somethingorother subwoofer. Actually I have a bunch of them and I use them for surround. They sound really good. I know what people mean about them being flattering but I think with every monitor you have to be aware of relativity, it's part of setting it up. So I fluffed around with the bass roll off a bit and stuck some weird foam shit up on the walls ( my wife got right into that, wanted to do the whole bedroom in white studio foam, but I'll say no more about that). Nowadays every mix I do gets tested in 2 different car radios and a bunch of headphones, eventually I'll just learn how to do it with the Genelecs without having to use other speakers. I think the only thing you really need to worry about with monitors is - are you hearing everything and is it more or less flat? And some monitors are more tiring to listen to than others. I can listen to the Genelecs all day. I have used my 1029As as a small PA at an art gallery gig I did, everybody was blown away by the amount of noise they can pump out, Lawrence Casserley (Evan Parker Electric Acoustic Ensemble) uses a set up with a Powerbook running MAX, a Creamware Pulsar in a Magma expansion chassis and 8 1029As. I bet he can fill a large hall with them. Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 12:49:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04460; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:48:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:48:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: billcumm@jhmanage.com Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <009301c1efa5$e6b74fa0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "billcumm@jhmanage.com" References: <20020429145946.7428.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: speaker cabinets/ ALSO Jammin on a groove... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, My bass cabinet is an Epifani model T-210, at 400 watts RMS, this cabinet has proven itself to be an incredible tool for the many players who need a compact, yet powerful speaker enclosure. The newly re-designed T-210 delivers plenty of bottom end punch and clarity. Each cabinet is equipped with two 10" 200W custom-made Epifani speakers and a 100W bullet tweeter for sparkling highs. Speaker: 2 x 200W RMS Cast Aluminum Frame / 100W RMS Tweeter Frequency Response: 39hz - 18khz / Usable Low Freq 32hz Power Rating: 400W RMS (1200W Peak) 8/4 Ohms Suggested Power Amp Wattage: 200W - 600W Dimensions: 23" H x 18" W x 17 1/2" D Sensitivity: 102 db SPL @1W 1M Weight: 59 lbs more info can be found at http://www.epifani.com/cabinets.html My bass amp is the I-AMP by Euphonic Audio (I own the Original I-Amp, the models have changed slightly. Check em out at http://www.euphonicaudio.com/) And I must add, Danny & I had a great time Jammin' wit Evan Saturday night at Electric Billy Land (hereinafter refered to as EBL). My man can PLAY the electric bass, and is already quite proficient with his Repeater too. (that's the 'knob-tweakin chops' as opposed to the '5 String elecric bass chops'). Evan was totally happening on both counts, and we're going to get him back again real soon fo some mo!!! Damn, I LOVE playing with Bass Players that GROOVE ! Dan had some sweet stuff happenin with the RC-20 and incorporated his Roland guitar synth quite nicely too. I didn't live loop too much, but had a blast making mucho interesting noise on what has now become known as the 'Big Ass Lectronic Drum Rig', a.k.a. BALDR (too involved to detail in this post). More on the groove front....Dano & I went up to Danbury Connecticut on Friday night to catch the John Scofield Quartety at Western Ct State U. Excellent show. Very good band of young players, the bass player played a Fender Mustang bass. Lot's of electronics, looping, pedals and really solid grooves. Great drummer too, Adam Deitch. He's only 26 but has already logged some serious gigs, including a couple of years with AWB, and now with Sco for bout a year. I think Sco and Wayne Krantz are 2 of the most happening musicians playing today, great players embracing the new technologies, open structure improv jams with heavy modern groove elements. Ya'll NYC folks should be sure to check out Wayne Krantz at his weekly Thursday gig at 55 Bar, although I believe he's over in Europe for the entire month of May, I'm sure the weekly Thursday tradition will continue upon his return in June. I gotta get back down there myself, as that is (IMHO) one of the most AMAZING trios playing today. Keith Carlock is truly a drummas' drumma, and Tim Lefebvre is a monsta bass player. If you haven't already heard these guys, check out the MP3s on the web site, www.waynekrantz.com, the shit is a mind-blower. I'm totally down for jammin with any other members on this list too, though I'd prefer to do it in Rye at EBL, as BALDR is pretty much permanently installed there as part of the studio. My mobile rig is pared down to either handsonic or zendrum + PlanetEarth module, or drumKAT with Rack Attck & ER-1 or TD-10, or DMpro, but I hate havin to make choices, so let's try and do it at my place, that way I can also fir up the digital hard disc recorder and document the session (which I forgot to do on Saturday, sorry bout that Evan & Dano). One more thing, anybody read the Bill Laswell cover story in this months BassPlayer magazine? I really dig most of the stuff he does, talk about versatility! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Meyers" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: Re: OT: speaker cabinets > > --- >anybody have experience with the following > cabinets? > >i'm looking to upgrade from my current raezer's edge > >as they tend to break up too much for my taste. > > >epifani > > I played through something by epifani this weekend at > a list-member's, bill cummings, place.I can't remember > whether it was the cabinet or the head that was made > by epifani (bill can probably answer that), but I do > remember being quite impressed with its frequency > response. It had sharp punchy highs and really smooth > lows.I was sending a bass through the repeater into > the head/cab. > > Side note - it was quite fun getting together with > another list member to jam and I look forward to > jamming with other list members as well as future jams > with bill and dan "the man" ash.thanks for the invite > guys! > > Later days.evan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 12:56:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04998; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:54:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:54:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429165424.63078.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: tangled cords.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Matthias Grob wrote: > There is two ways to do it: > short cables you double until they are only about 30 cm and then make > > a knot into the whole multiple strip. > long cables you have to roll up like a wheal would. The problem is > that most wind them over the arm and thus twist them with every turn. > > The same goes for unrolling them: if you simply take the end of a > nicely rolled cable and walk away, for each turn you will twist it > once, and when its twisted, it becomes really dificult to roll it up > right and its the twisted force that creates the "miscordation" > phenomenon mentioned further up. > Then once they are rolled up, you can make a knot arround it with the > > outer end. Many have warned me saying that this kills the cable. I > answer that in the last 20 years it did not kill one of mine. Maybe > because I dont make the knot it exactly the same spot each time... I found that the twist caused by winding on the arm can be resolved by moving the orientation (direction) of the cable on the arm every a 'few' winds. By reversing the orientation of the cable on the arm you alternately put in twists, and undo twists as you wind the cable. I too was taught to put a knot on the cables, I learned this in the 1970's working as a stage hand, and still rely on this method without damage to cables. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 13:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07944; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:21:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1efa2$0a125ac0$552e2697@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <20020429162257.50489.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT - Near Field Monitors Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:19:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Genelec 1019a are the old model substituted by 1031a. They also look similar to this model. I'm used to work with Ns10S and with someTannoys (I dunno the model, as they were already mounted in the studio I work in as a day job, but they are Huge (seem almost like Pa), and are really flat). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: Re: OT - Near Field Monitors > > --- Luigi Meloni wrote: > > Hi all. As I was looking around for some cheap near-field monitors > > (just as a spare for mine, to use with my laptop when I'm away from > > home and to have another kind of reference when I'm mixing and > > mastering), I stumbled across a pair of used Genelec 1019a > > biamplified nearfields. Has anyone ever tried them and can give me > > some advice? The price seems acceptable and they seem to be in good > > shape. I tried them and the cones are working well. What do you think > > of them? > > I was looking for something like the Yamaha NS10-M, or the new MS-5A. > > (something flat in the response). > > They'll be a lot better then the NS10s, but that's not really saying > much, since NS10s aren't very good monitors. Ubiquitous, yes. They > sound bad in studios all over the world. > > I'm not familiar with the 1019A model, did you mean 1029? Or the 1091 > sub (designed to be used with the 1029s). > > A lot of people like the Genelecs, but the 1029s are the smallest ones > they make and I've heard some comments saying they don't compete with > the more famous ones (1031, etc). A friend of mine (who's ears I trust) > says he thinks Genelecs are too flattering to the signals you run > through them, preventing true critical listening. I haven't used 'em > myself. > > IMO, NS10s are only useful for checking a mix to see if it's messed up > in the midrange, and to see what it'll sound like on a junky playback > system. > > Greg > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 13:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08562; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:34:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCD8462.29387B07@friendlyspider.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:35:30 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tangled cords.... References: <20020429165424.63078.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3PzIeD.A.WFC.kPYz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just perform a mock marriage ceremony between my cables and that seems to solve the problem.... -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 15:18:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15685; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:15:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:15:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB61@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: speaker cabinets Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:09:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB1.68085170" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB1.68085170 Content-Type: text/plain i've been using the kolbe 1x12 cabs for about 7 years now. i quite like them. using for 6-string bass. stig Howdy, Jim, you might also want to check into the 1X12's made by Harry Kolbe/Soundsmith in NYC(I think the website is still www.soundsmith.com); I've heard very good things about his speakers. Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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i've been using the kolbe 1x12 cabs for about 7 years now= . i quite like them.

using for 6-string bass.

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB1.68085170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 15:18:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15692; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB63@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: For G-bashers Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:14:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB2.1AF07D30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB2.1AF07D30 Content-Type: text/plain re metheny. didn't he play with gary burton when he as quite young - - 16 or 17 or something?? he was a super-nice guy when i met him back in 77 or so. there is fairly well-founded scuttlebut that his last live trio cd had many many edits per tune to cobble together the "more perfect" solo. being the "jazz purist" that i am, i don't think that's really kosher for a "live" jazz disc - - especially if you have a rep as an improvisor. (but then i think pop bands like u2 doing "fixes" and sweetener on "live" albums blows too.) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB2.1AF07D30 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: For G-bashers

re metheny.

didn't he play with gary burton when he as quite young - = - 16 or 17 or something??

he was a super-nice guy when i met him back in 77 or so. =

there is fairly well-founded scuttlebut that his last liv= e trio cd had many many edits per tune to cobble together the "more pe= rfect" solo. being the "jazz purist" that i am, i don't thin= k that's really kosher for a "live" jazz disc  - - especiall= y if you have a rep as an improvisor. (but then i think pop bands like u2 d= oing "fixes" and sweetener on "live" albums blows too.)=

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB2.1AF07D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 15:24:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16565; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:22:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429192206.19804.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Banjology Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1LLTnC.A.LCE.f1Zz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What guitar was Bill using......its been a while since i've talked to him......is he still using the 446? John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 15:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16816; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Nathan Bannow" To: Subject: RE: For G-bashers Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:31:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1EF8A.91003600" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB63@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2mok8D.A.SGE.W4Zz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1EF8A.91003600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: For G-bashers " there is fairly well-founded scuttlebut that his last live trio cd had many many edits per tune to cobble together the "more perfect" solo. being the "jazz purist" that i am, i don't think that's really kosher for a "live" jazz disc - - especially if you have a rep as an improvisor. (but then i think pop bands like u2 doing "fixes" and sweetener on "live" albums blows too.) stig " I'm curious as to how much "sweetener" is required by management as opposed to the band themselves *wanting* to fix some glitches. Case in point: The Doors; BACKSTAGE AND DANGEROUS: THE PRIVATE REHEARSAL. This was album is culled from one of those fixing dates. The idea was to leave all the gear set up after the show, and come back the next day. This way, the band could sound pretty much the same acoustically. However, the Doors didn't like the idea of altering the live album, and sabotaged the recording session. The result is a lot of fun to listen to, although it took 30 some odd years to be released to the public. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1EF8A.91003600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: For G-bashers
 

 " there is fairly = well-founded=20 scuttlebut that his last live trio cd had many many edits per tune to = cobble=20 together the "more perfect" solo. being the "jazz purist" that i am, i = don't=20 think that's really kosher for a "live" jazz disc  - - especially = if you=20 have a rep as an improvisor. (but then i think pop bands like u2 doing = "fixes"=20 and sweetener on "live" albums blows too.)

stig  " 

 

I'm=20 curious as to how much "sweetener" is required by management as opposed = to the=20 band themselves *wanting* to fix some glitches.  Case in point: The = Doors;=20 BACKSTAGE=20 AND DANGEROUS: THE PRIVATE REHEARSAL.  This was album is culled = from one of=20 those fixing dates.  The idea was to leave all the gear set up = after the=20 show, and come back the next day.  This way, the band could sound = pretty=20 much the same acoustically.  However, the Doors didn't like the = idea of=20 altering the live album, and sabotaged the recording session.  The = result=20 is a lot of fun to listen to, although it took 30 some odd years to be = released=20 to the public.

 


 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1EF8A.91003600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 15:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17214; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:32:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB64@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: For G-bashers Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:31:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB4.6E911C40" Resent-Message-ID: <4_rzSC.A.oME.3-Zz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB4.6E911C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm curious as to how much "sweetener" is required by management as opposed to the band themselves *wanting* to fix some glitches. ** sure. but in the case of a band like u2, do they even need to "listen to their management" in this case??? i dunno, i just think live albums should be documents of the live experience . . . not something that's been airbrushed. tome that comes down to ego and/or dishonesty (ymmv). (good for the doors.) stig Case in point: The Doors; BACKSTAGE AND DANGEROUS: THE PRIVATE REHEARSAL. This was album is culled from one of those fixing dates. The idea was to leave all the gear set up after the show, and come back the next day. This way, the band could sound pretty much the same acoustically. However, the Doors didn't like the idea of altering the live album, and sabotaged the recording session. The result is a lot of fun to listen to, although it took 30 some odd years to be released to the public. Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB4.6E911C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: For G-bashers

I'm curious as to how much "sweetener" is required by management as opposed to the band themselves *wanting* to fix some glitches.   

** sure. but in the case of a band like u2, do they even need to "listen to their management" in this case??? i dunno, i just think live albums should be documents of the live experience . . . not something that's been airbrushed. tome that comes down to ego and/or dishonesty (ymmv).

(good for the doors.)

stig

 

 Case in point: The Doors; BACKSTAGE AND DANGEROUS: THE PRIVATE REHEARSAL.  This was album is culled from one of those fixing dates.  The idea was to leave all the gear set up after the show, and come back the next day.  This way, the band could sound pretty much the same acoustically.  However, the Doors didn't like the idea of altering the live album, and sabotaged the recording session.  The result is a lot of fun to listen to, although it took 30 some odd years to be released to the public.

 




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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB4.6E911C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 15:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17677; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:36:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <6IlRBC.A.WTE.NDaz8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep. That and a gorgeous sounding flat-top acoustic. I was kinda looking forward to seeing the Klein in action--I've never seen/heard one in person. Also, he was retuning that thing like mad--not alternate tuning, tuning--but bringing it back in tune, tuning. I only heard once where it was needed, but I'll bet Bill's ears are better than mine. Must have been that Texas Heat: 98 degrees in Austin that day. Damn. I was glad to get back to Dallas. Lindsay -----Original Message----- From: Banjology [mailto:banjology@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 What guitar was Bill using......its been a while since i've talked to him......is he still using the 446? John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 15:45:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17990; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:43:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:43:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1efb6$3f7b0e00$83675cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "AIMusic" , "Ambient Mailing List" , "The Ambient Way" , "beyond_em" , "ElectronicMusic" , "Gearhead List" , "Loopers Delight" , "spacemusic" , , , "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: Lost Email Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:44:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends and Colleagues, Due to upgrading Outlook Express from version 4 to 6, I've lost all of my saved email. There were some recent messages since my last backup which needed responses. If you are waiting for me to answer you, please write to me again. Sorry for the inconvenience. Best regards, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20230; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:02:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:02:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429200148.25977.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB61@mitorexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay, so maybe i'm slightly retarted or mentally challenged as the pc people prefer, but am i mistaken or is there a knitting factory in cali? i was all pumped to check out andre's set tonight, when it suddenly occurred to me that this knit that he is playing in is located in LA...am i mistaken? will it be in NY? i found it odd that andre (who i had thought was a left coaster) would be performing in NY at the knit and not playing a later slot than 8pm, but i figured anything is possible, especially with this group of musicians. so, little help please...someone confirm or deny that andre is playing in NY or cali tonight...and if it is NY, i'll be there, if it is cali, unfortunately, even with the time difference, i won't be able to get out there on time...even travelling by dragon fly... perplexed... e va n|s sa b evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:06:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20263; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429200214.27301.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Banjology Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow thats great, Yeah Bill is one heck of a player, and a really great guy. He doesn't really use the kleins much anymore. Its more or less tele's, his Gibson 446, or the Anderson archtops......and an acoustic here and there. I cant beleive he is using the EH 16 second delay again. Are you sure it wasn't his Digitech?.... John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:12:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20902; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB65@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:09:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB9.C3E77A40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB9.C3E77A40 Content-Type: text/plain i think it's l.a. -----Original Message----- From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! okay, so maybe i'm slightly retarted or mentally challenged as the pc people prefer, but am i mistaken or is there a knitting factory in cali? i was all pumped to check out andre's set tonight, when it suddenly occurred to me that this knit that he is playing in is located in LA...am i mistaken? will it be in NY? i found it odd that andre (who i had thought was a left coaster) would be performing in NY at the knit and not playing a later slot than 8pm, but i figured anything is possible, especially with this group of musicians. so, little help please...someone confirm or deny that andre is playing in NY or cali tonight...and if it is NY, i'll be there, if it is cali, unfortunately, even with the time difference, i won't be able to get out there on time...even travelling by dragon fly... perplexed... e va n|s sa b evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB9.C3E77A40 Content-Type: text/html RE: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight!

i think it's l.a.

-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Meyers [mailto:evanmeyers@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight!


okay, so maybe i'm slightly retarted or mentally
challenged as the pc people prefer, but am i mistaken
or is there a knitting factory in cali?

i was all pumped to check out andre's set tonight,
when it suddenly occurred to me that this knit that he
is playing in is located in LA...am i mistaken?  will
it be in NY?  i found it odd that andre (who i had
thought was a left coaster) would be performing in NY
at the knit and not playing a later slot than 8pm, but
i figured anything is possible, especially with this
group of musicians.

so, little help please...someone confirm or deny that
andre is playing in NY or cali tonight...and if it is
NY, i'll be there, if it is cali, unfortunately, even
with the time difference, i won't be able to get out
there on time...even travelling by dragon fly...

perplexed...
e va n|s sa b
evanmeyers@yahoo.com

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1EFB9.C3E77A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20916; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:11:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429201024.85118.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com that is what i was affraid of! damn...guess no andre for me tonight... --- Louis Rossi wrote: > Looks like the Knit in Hollywood > > http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/calendar/index.cfm > > > >From: Evan Meyers > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: knitting factory CA? - andre's set > tonight! > >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > >okay, so maybe i'm slightly retarted or mentally > >challenged as the pc people prefer, but am i > mistaken > >or is there a knitting factory in cali? > > > >i was all pumped to check out andre's set tonight, > >when it suddenly occurred to me that this knit that > he > >is playing in is located in LA...am i mistaken? > will > >it be in NY? i found it odd that andre (who i had > >thought was a left coaster) would be performing in > NY > >at the knit and not playing a later slot than 8pm, > but > >i figured anything is possible, especially with > this > >group of musicians. > > > >so, little help please...someone confirm or deny > that > >andre is playing in NY or cali tonight...and if it > is > >NY, i'll be there, if it is cali, unfortunately, > even > >with the time difference, i won't be able to get > out > >there on time...even travelling by dragon fly... > > > >perplexed... > >e va n|s sa b > >evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > >http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20703; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:08:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:06:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2002 20:06:55.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[68FF8910:01C1EFB9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like the Knit in Hollywood http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/calendar/index.cfm >From: Evan Meyers >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) > >okay, so maybe i'm slightly retarted or mentally >challenged as the pc people prefer, but am i mistaken >or is there a knitting factory in cali? > >i was all pumped to check out andre's set tonight, >when it suddenly occurred to me that this knit that he >is playing in is located in LA...am i mistaken? will >it be in NY? i found it odd that andre (who i had >thought was a left coaster) would be performing in NY >at the knit and not playing a later slot than 8pm, but >i figured anything is possible, especially with this >group of musicians. > >so, little help please...someone confirm or deny that >andre is playing in NY or cali tonight...and if it is >NY, i'll be there, if it is cali, unfortunately, even >with the time difference, i won't be able to get out >there on time...even travelling by dragon fly... > >perplexed... >e va n|s sa b >evanmeyers@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:16:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21639; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:14:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2002 20:14:06.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[69C1F940:01C1EFBA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah. That was a surprise to me to, as I have not seen him use the EH 16 in 10 years. It has always been the Digitech Echo+. Last fall at the Village Vanguard he used the Gibson into a Turbo Tubescreamer, Boss DD3, Line 6 Dl4, Digitech Echo+ on top of the Lexicon MPX100. The stereo outputs of the lexicon ran into 2 small vintage fender amps. Sorry forget what they were Cheers Lou >From: Banjology >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) > >Wow thats great, >Yeah Bill is one heck of a player, and a really great >guy. He doesn't really use the kleins much anymore. >Its more or less tele's, his Gibson 446, or the >Anderson archtops......and an acoustic here and there. >I cant beleive he is using the EH 16 second delay >again. Are you sure it wasn't his Digitech?.... > >John > > >===== >John LeGassey >Banjology@yahoo.com >AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 >Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 > >Guitarist - Instructor > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21738; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:16:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:16:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:07:04 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: zappa!(was Re: For G-bashers) In-reply-to: <20020429141258.41947.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020429141258.41947.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:12 AM -0700 4/29/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >does anyone know specifically if zappa ever really experimented with looping I asked Bob Rice, who was Zappa's Synclavier assistant for several years. Bob sez: >yes, actually. During the sound checks for his live shows, he used to send >everyone away and he'd just work with his guitar rig for a while at >extremely high volume levels, mostly just improvising stuff. He'd load >snippets into a pair of MXR digital delays with extended memory of up to, I >think, almost 4 seconds! Anyway, on the MXRs, he' d usually create 2 >different loops so if they played together they'd eventually drop out of >sync. This was the only use for the delays in the rig and they'd have 2 >dedicated combo amps that were mic'd so that he could kick them in in the >middle of a solo and then play over the top of them with his main rig. The >drummer and bass player would have to find a groove based on or around the >loops and if both were on and they went out of sync, they would listen for >the polyrhythms that would result from the kaos. For a short amount of loop >time, there were pretty amazing possibilities for improvisation with good >players aboard. > >There is a live album called Make a Jazz Noise Here that has 2 pieces that >use quite a bit of looping. One is called Fire and Chains which uses a >massive sample patch I built for him on the Synclavier with lots of vocal >samples from the Senate hearings on Porn Rock lyrics (and warning labels on >records ect.), that loop around at various rates and have pitch modulation >patched to the polyphonic aftertouch on the keyboard. You'd hold down a >chord and use varying degrees of aftertouch on each note to change the >speed of the samples going round and round. Again these mutant polyrhythms >would result and you could play off of them if you could feel them. > >The guitar loops with the MXR delays happened at least once everynight and >an example of that is on the cut (also on Jazz Noise) called Star Wars >Won't Work. There's also a pretty good helping of these delay solos on the >"Guitar" album (2 cds of Zappa guitar solos! NOt a desert island disc but >interesting in small doses). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21856; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:09:31 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! In-reply-to: <20020429200148.25977.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020429200148.25977.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:01 PM -0700 4/29/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >is there a knitting factory in cali? Andre's at the AlterKnit Lounge in the Hollywood Knitting Factory. http://knittingfactory.com/kfla/calendar/index.cfm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21872; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:16:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About the EH: I'm guessing--but it was big, black and square (from the back). Didn't get a great look at it. Just looked at some pictures of EH 16sec's from the web--Bill was probably using it. Clunky, funky and a messy, messy sound. Other devices: some sort of octave divider, TS-style-green distortion pedal. The octaver was cool, 'cause he played entire chords through it and it didn't garble and wail like most will do. In fact, it's as if it shut itself off if it got too much harmonic info--and I didn't notice Bill franticly tapping it in and out. Very cool. All in all, though, it was just a great night with two great players, regardless of gear. Lindsay sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Banjology [mailto:banjology@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Wow thats great, Yeah Bill is one heck of a player, and a really great guy. He doesn't really use the kleins much anymore. Its more or less tele's, his Gibson 446, or the Anderson archtops......and an acoustic here and there. I cant beleive he is using the EH 16 second delay again. Are you sure it wasn't his Digitech?.... John ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22125; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:19:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020429131022.00b66c38@pop.calicom.net> X-Sender: spidey@pop.calicom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:16:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Robert Sweetriver Bellus Subject: Gig spams & CITY? In-Reply-To: <20020429200148.25977.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00148CB61@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RBL-Warning: OSDUL: This E-mail came from 66.81.70.22, a potential spam source listed in OSDUL. X-Declude-Sender: sweetriver@naflute.com [66.81.70.22] X-Declude-Spoolname: Daa2302c30198ee89.SMD X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Organization: Please send abuse reports to abuse@naflute.com.". Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just as a general comment - I love getting gig spams here, but it would be real helpful if everyone would always mention exactly what city we're talking about. More than occasionally, the venue is mentioned, but no city, and I'm sent off to a web search to try to find out where. I know many of you are in with the in looping crowd and it's obvious, but some of the rest of us need hand holding. But it's worth the trouble - As a result of a message here, I went yesterday to see the Paul Dresher Ensemble (that would have been in San Francisco, BTW!) and although there was only a little bit of looping, the whole show was really quite interesting and entertaining. Bob At 02:01 PM 4/29/2002, you wrote: >okay, so maybe i'm slightly retarted or mentally >challenged as the pc people prefer, but am i mistaken >or is there a knitting factory in cali? Robert Sweetriver Bellus Sweetriver Sounds - "Rediscovering Native American Flute" sweetriver@naflute.com www.naflute.com POB 1010, Calistoga, CA 94515 707.942.0101 Performance and Booking Information: http://www.naflute.com/ss/RSB.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:24:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22466; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:23:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020429202316.66716.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: OT: Royer R121 - Opinions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020426155049.0081c690@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Michael Clark wrote: > I record live miced guitar cabs into Cubase. Been using a Senn > 421MKII. I > hear that the Royer R121 ribbon mic can/will produce a more full > bodied > sound. Some people say it's way "better" than the Neumann TLM 103 > which I was considering. The Royer is certainly way "different" then the TLM103. Which is "better" really depends on what you're doing with the track and how you like things to sound. I haven't actually used the Royers, but I know an engineer who loves them. His work certainly sounds good. I've read interviews with people like Steve Albini who swore by Coles 4038s for electric guitars, so I'd guess the Royer might give a similar (if not better) result. I have used the TLM103 on guitar cabs and it works really well on some amps (not all). You should be able to get a nice sound from your 421. That's usually a good choice for a guitar cab. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22746; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I think Lou's got the set-up nailed--just add the Octaver thing. I found some pics of the Digitech Echo+, and I can't say now with any certainty what I saw. I'll trust the guys who can say "Bill's a really great guy," and speak from personal experience. I was just glad to be there. Lindsay -----Original Message----- From: Louis Rossi [mailto:tarbit@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Yeah. That was a surprise to me to, as I have not seen him use the EH 16 in 10 years. It has always been the Digitech Echo+. Last fall at the Village Vanguard he used the Gibson into a Turbo Tubescreamer, Boss DD3, Line 6 Dl4, Digitech Echo+ on top of the Lexicon MPX100. The stereo outputs of the lexicon ran into 2 small vintage fender amps. Sorry forget what they were Cheers Lou >From: Banjology >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) > >Wow thats great, >Yeah Bill is one heck of a player, and a really great >guy. He doesn't really use the kleins much anymore. >Its more or less tele's, his Gibson 446, or the >Anderson archtops......and an acoustic here and there. >I cant beleive he is using the EH 16 second delay >again. Are you sure it wasn't his Digitech?.... > >John > > >===== >John LeGassey >Banjology@yahoo.com >AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 >Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 > >Guitarist - Instructor > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:38:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23255; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:35:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fwiw-this is way bulbous-i brokeout my last week and it has(again)become part of my 'permanent'(relative term) rig.it is the most unique box(and looper) i will ever play. s > About the EH: I'm guessing--but it was big, black and square (from the > back). Didn't get a great look at it. Just looked at some pictures of EH > 16sec's from the web--Bill was probably using it. Clunky, funky and a > messy, messy sound. Other devices: some sort of octave divider, > TS-style-green distortion pedal. The octaver was cool, 'cause he played > entire chords through it and it didn't garble and wail like most will do. > In fact, it's as if it shut itself off if it got too much harmonic info--and > I didn't notice Bill franticly tapping it in and out. Very cool. All in > all, though, it was just a great night with two great players, regardless of > gear. > > Lindsay > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Banjology [mailto:banjology@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 > > Wow thats great, > Yeah Bill is one heck of a player, and a really great > guy. He doesn't really use the kleins much anymore. > Its more or less tele's, his Gibson 446, or the > Anderson archtops......and an acoustic here and there. > I cant beleive he is using the EH 16 second delay > again. Are you sure it wasn't his Digitech?.... > > John > > > ===== > John LeGassey > Banjology@yahoo.com > AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 > Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 > > Guitarist - Instructor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:39:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23388; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:38:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:38:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020429162237.027a54c0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:36:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: is it LIVE??? and room mikes and stuff. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_23449765==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_23449765==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ...always look for that tell-tale "additional recording done at wally heider" liner entry on any 70's live rekkid. it lets you in on that either they added lots of extra clapping when the undersold shows were really blazing, or they um how shall i say this.... baked the clams? next. back there a message or 4 or so there was some give and take about room miking and i didn't have the chance to read it thorough like, but my $.02 would be: do you LIKE the way the room sounds? really listen to it. just cause you want a little air around your input does not always mean that the room - or the mic you mic the room with - holds the key. but you might say, well the room sounds like a cross between a quonset hut and garbage bag AND I LIKE IT THAT WAY. lo-fi junky that i am, i'd be right there with you. in which case you can do lots worse than even a cheap PZM. or be a real sport and treat yourself to 2 of them on opposite walls. excelsior! a:c Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:31:36 -0500 "Nathan Bannow" expressed: " there is fairly well-founded scuttlebut that his last live trio cd had many many edits per tune to cobble together the "more perfect" solo. being the "jazz purist" that i am, i don't think that's really kosher for a "live" jazz disc - - especially if you have a rep as an improvisor. (but then i think pop bands like u2 doing "fixes" and sweetener on "live" albums blows too.) stig " I'm curious as to how much "sweetener" is required by management as opposed to the band themselves *wanting* to fix some glitches. Case in point: The Doors; BACKSTAGE AND DANGEROUS: THE PRIVATE REHEARSAL. This was album is culled from one of those fixing dates. The idea was to leave all the gear set up after the show, and come back the next day. This way, the band could sound pretty much the same acoustically. However, the Doors didn't like the idea of altering the live album, and sabotaged the recording session. The result is a lot of fun to listen to, although it took 30 some odd years to be released to the public. --=====================_23449765==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
...always look for that tell-tale "additional recording done at wally heider" liner entry on any 70's live rekkid. it lets you in on that either they added lots of extra clapping when the undersold shows were really blazing, or they um how shall i say this.... baked the clams?

next.
back there a message or 4 or so there was some give and take about room miking and i didn't have the chance to read it thorough like, but my $.02 would be:

do you LIKE the way the room sounds? really listen to it. just cause you want a little air around your input does not always mean that the room - or the mic you mic the room with - holds the key.

but you might say, well the room sounds like a cross between a quonset hut and garbage bag AND I LIKE IT THAT WAY.  lo-fi junky that i am, i'd be right there with you. in which case you can do lots worse than even a cheap PZM. or be a real sport and treat yourself to 2 of them on opposite walls.

excelsior!
a:c

Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:31:36 -0500
"Nathan Bannow" <Nathan@giza.com>

expressed:

" there is fairly well-founded scuttlebut that his last live trio cd had many many edits per tune to cobble together the "more perfect" solo. being the "jazz purist" that i am, i don't think that's really kosher for a "live" jazz disc - - especially if you have a rep as an improvisor. (but then i think pop bands like u2 doing "fixes" and sweetener on "live" albums blows too.)
stig "
I'm curious as to how much "sweetener" is required by management as opposed to the band themselves *wanting* to fix some glitches. Case in point: The Doors; BACKSTAGE AND DANGEROUS: THE PRIVATE REHEARSAL. This was album is culled from one of those fixing dates. The idea was to leave all the gear set up after the show, and come back the next day. This way, the band could sound pretty much the same acoustically. However, the Doors didn't like the idea of altering the live album, and sabotaged the recording session. The result is a lot of fun to listen to, although it took 30 some odd years to be released to the public.
 --=====================_23449765==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 16:50:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24150; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:47:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2002 20:47:20.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E624DC0:01C1EFBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw the Nels Cline show at Tonic here in NYC last week & he had the EH on top of a flight case & was making some very cool sounds.. >From: Stan Card >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:35:25 -0800 > >fwiw-this is way bulbous-i brokeout my last week and it >has(again)become part of my 'permanent'(relative term) rig.it is the most >unique box(and looper) i will ever play. >s > > > About the EH: I'm guessing--but it was big, black and square (from the > > back). Didn't get a great look at it. Just looked at some pictures of >EH > > 16sec's from the web--Bill was probably using it. Clunky, funky and a > > messy, messy sound. Other devices: some sort of octave divider, > > TS-style-green distortion pedal. The octaver was cool, 'cause he played > > entire chords through it and it didn't garble and wail like most will >do. > > In fact, it's as if it shut itself off if it got too much harmonic >info--and > > I didn't notice Bill franticly tapping it in and out. Very cool. All >in > > all, though, it was just a great night with two great players, >regardless of > > gear. > > > > Lindsay > > sonic detritus: > > left of eliot > > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Banjology [mailto:banjology@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:02 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Bill Frisell in Austin, 04/28/02 > > > > Wow thats great, > > Yeah Bill is one heck of a player, and a really great > > guy. He doesn't really use the kleins much anymore. > > Its more or less tele's, his Gibson 446, or the > > Anderson archtops......and an acoustic here and there. > > I cant beleive he is using the EH 16 second delay > > again. Are you sure it wasn't his Digitech?.... > > > > John > > > > > > ===== > > John LeGassey > > Banjology@yahoo.com > > AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 > > Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 > > > > Guitarist - Instructor > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 19:23:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11258; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:22:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:22:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCDD4E5.F5B04CE@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:19:01 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: knitting factory CA? - andre's set tonight! References: <20020429200148.25977.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Evan, As you've learned by now, I am indeed playing here in LA tonight, but I definitely appreciate the interest and enthusiasm. Your fellow East Coaster Todd Reynolds actually did you one better back in January -- he went to the NYC Knitting Factory, wearing his Looper's Delight T-shirt, not realizing until he got there that the show with Steve Lawson and myself was actually happening in California. 8() 'Nuff respec' to my East Coast looping brethren, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com Evan Meyers wrote: > > okay, so maybe i'm slightly retarted or mentally > challenged as the pc people prefer, but am i mistaken > or is there a knitting factory in cali? > > i was all pumped to check out andre's set tonight, > when it suddenly occurred to me that this knit that he > is playing in is located in LA...am i mistaken? will > it be in NY? i found it odd that andre (who i had > thought was a left coaster) would be performing in NY > at the knit and not playing a later slot than 8pm, but > i figured anything is possible, especially with this > group of musicians. > > so, little help please...someone confirm or deny that > andre is playing in NY or cali tonight...and if it is > NY, i'll be there, if it is cali, unfortunately, even > with the time difference, i won't be able to get out > there on time...even travelling by dragon fly... > > perplexed... > e va n|s sa b > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 20:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17019; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020430003546.3597.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Loop IV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2yQ5nC.A.IJE.jbez8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am amazed and awestruck at the added features and improvements in Loop IV. The edp continues to get better and better in ways I never imagined when I bought my first one in 1995. I thought the edp was deep then, now I am overwhelmed (in the good way) with the things that can be done with it to construct and deconstruct sounds and music. Bravo! bret (just one of the syncing brothers) --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >Neil > >to wet your apetite the manual is 47 pages long (pdf) > >Kim is finishing it (burn burn burn .....) > >Matthias went back to Brasil? moving in his new house > > well right now with Claudio Nucci in Maua, 1200m high, taking > waterfall shower and listening to his and Kal's marvelous curing > music. > > >André is glitching > >Andy freaks out in Flip mode > >Bret is brother syncing > >Mark resetted threshold in sync:in > >And I am just happy its over (+800 mails with Matthias since > december > >99) > > So am I. But I love this revew. Lets add that I spent twice a week or > > more with you working full time on it. The mails with Andy probably > also added to hundreds. > We really did something new. Its not like programming a chorus > effect, when everybody knows what it sounds like and how its done, > its figuring out new functions, capture the weird musicians fantasies > > and make them operatable and programmable. > Fascinating work, but we overdid it somehow. It took too long all > together and the poor old processor in the EDP made us too much work > to still make it work... > But we made it, and so far there is no real bug known, just 2-3 spots > > where it may not exactly do what you expect... but you will have to > dig into the unit for a half year before you get there ;-) ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Apr 29 21:32:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21780; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:29:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCDF64D.695AD0C0@ripco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:42:11 -0500 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Chicago gig spam Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C585566102ECD0E7A2C01F70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C585566102ECD0E7A2C01F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html -- Upcoming Performances: 9:00 pm Saturday, May 4...with Misha Feigin (guitar, balalaika, voice) and Carol Genetti (voice) at The Candlestick Maker, 4432 N. Kedzie Ave. Misha's Home Page: http://www.mishafeigin.com/docs_mf/ 8:00 pm Sunday, May 5...with Tatsuya Nakatani (percussion) and Kyle Bruckman (oboe) at Crac House, 1626 S. Newberry (one block west of Halsted). Eric Leonardson web page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon --------------C585566102ECD0E7A2C01F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name="whatsnew.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="whatsnew.html" Content-Base: "http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew .html" Content-Location: "http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew .html" eric leonardson: what's new
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Upcoming Performances & Br= oadcasts:

 

9:00 pm Saturday, May 4 Misha Feigin at The Candlestick Maker, = 4432 N. Kedzie Avenue, Chicago =

A special concert performance by renowned Russian-born guitarist Mish= a Feigin, performing solo and trio with special guests Carol Genetti and = Eric Leonardson, two of Chicago's own exceptionally original experimental= improvising sound artists.

Leaving behind an established position in the Moscow arts scene in 199= 0, Misha Feigin made his home Louisville, Kentucky, where he quickly rees= tablished himself in the folk and improvised music scenes, both nationall= y and internationally. His work can be heard on numerous records that fea= ture him with such well-known artists as Elliot Sharp, Eugene Chadbourne,= Ami Denio, LaDonna Smith, Davey Williams, and Peter Kowald, to name a fe= w.

Reuniting after three years in the intimate confines of THE CANDLESTIC= K MAKER —Michael Zerang's new venue for jazz and experimental music&= #151;this concert promises to be a wonderfully strange and dynamic event.=

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THE CANDLESTICK MAKER
4432 N. KEDZIE AVE.
(Just north of Montrose. Kedzie stop on the Brown Line, 3 blks. south.) T= he sign above the door reads "PERFECT rubber stamps"
773-463-0158
$10 "or pay what you can"

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8:00 pm Sunday, May 5...with Tatsuya Nakatani, percussionist fr= om NYC, and Kyle Bruckman on double reeds =

...at Crac House, 1626 S. Newberry (one block west of Halsted), Chica= go.

"Tatsuya Nakatani is a methodical musician concerned with the developm= ent of an idea in time. His beginnings are arresting; his endings are sat= isfying. The right duration and variety of events are fully charged with = a visceral intensity that can captivate a true listener. There is a sense= of control,strength, and endurance as ideas are developed and sustained = into rapid motion, rolls, and varied sounds from bells, gongs, and singin= g bowed cymbals. At times the drum set is reduced to just a few sounds li= ke a single bounce of a stick floating before it falls. All this hits me = like a vibrating temple of metal - a sense of vastness in a small room, a= nd the variety of sounds Mr. Nakatani derives from the cymbals is suprisi= ng. The music is clear in its execution and sensitivity to the room. This= CD merits close listening. It will purify any space." -- Eric Zinman, on= Green Report 9 (recorded at Studio 234 in Cambridge, Mass, 12-April-2001= )

$6 suggested donation.

For more info on the web visit http://homepage.interaccess.com/~raf/zeggz//tat/

 

For a listing...

...of other Chicago-area jazz, creative, experimental, improvised mus= ic and sound events, visit the Chicago Now calendar. And don't forget to visit the= "sound thinking links page."

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CD Releases

Winter Construction (dceo003)

A signed and numbered, limited edition CDR compilation of Chicago art= ists with accompanying zine. Featuring tracks by MORA, Kyle Bruckmann, Er= ic Leonardson/Yasuhiro Otani, Rosenberg Skronktet, Fred Lonberg-Holm, the= Flying Luttenbachers, Ernst Karel/ Brent Gutzeit/ Jason Soliday, Lozenge= , Metallux, TV Pow, and others... available on-line from dead ceo.

 

Chicago Sound Opportunities and Resources:

A quick word or two from = Experimental Sound Studio...

NEED SOUND? ESS offers you two recording studios at more than reasonab= le rates in an artist-oriented environment. We provide services for live = music recording, soundtrack postproduction for film and video, audio reco= rding for installations, etc.

NEED INFORMATION? Our Technical Workshop Series offers intensiv= e two-day workshops in Microphones, Recording Techniques, Inside the Digi= tal Audio Workstation, Deeper Inside the Digital Audio Workstation, and M= ixing Techniques. Call for dates, times, prices, and registration. www.expsoundstudio.org, or by cal= ling 773-784-0449.

 

SPECTRA a monthy open for= um for composers and audio artists...

...to present and discuss their work. SPECTRA is held on the first = Wednesday of each month from 7:30pm to 9:30pm CST at splinter group A= udio Studio, 450 N. Leavitt. For more information and to hear work presen= ted in past meetings, visit th= e SPECTRA website, or phone splinter group (312) 829-5650.

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= --------------C585566102ECD0E7A2C01F70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 30 14:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28392; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:41:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0b0901c1f076$348dcd00$7502a8c0@digex.net> From: "Vance Gloster" To: Subject: Andre's show Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:38:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, did anyone go to Andre's show last night at the Knitting Factory? I could not go, but would like to hear about it if anyone went. I have seen Brian Kenny before, and he is pretty good. -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 30 18:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10399; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3CCF1C21.43FC31E5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:35:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre's show References: <0b0901c1f076$348dcd00$7502a8c0@digex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com God, I'd say that was an understatment, in my opinion. Brian Kenny Fresno is about the most damn entertaining Warr/JamMan/Toy show you're going to find on this planet. An amazing musician, and completely nuts. Think Frank Zappa meets Beck with a touch of Trey Gunn. http://www.bonghitrecords.com is his website. Vance Gloster wrote: > I have seen > Brian Kenny before, and he is pretty good. > > -Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 30 18:53:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11294; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c1f099$259886a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <0b0901c1f076$348dcd00$7502a8c0@digex.net> Subject: Re: Andre's show Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:48:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went- Andre had a cape and wax lips which was a change. Brian Kenny Fresno is awesome- it was great to see Andre get his first exposure to this phenomenon. Smiles and raisins for everyone. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vance Gloster" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Andre's show > So, did anyone go to Andre's show last night at the Knitting Factory? I > could not go, but would like to hear about it if anyone went. I have seen > Brian Kenny before, and he is pretty good. > > -Vance > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Apr 30 20:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17453; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:31:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:31:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020501003049.22040.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Felix Subject: NYC Looping Gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3CCF1C21.43FC31E5@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all - reminder for my weekly Thursday gig at Chama, 332 East 4th Street, bwt. C/D at 9:30 p.m. please be sure and say 'allo if you can make it. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com