From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 00:23:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16643; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:21:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Reply-To: cave@osk.3web.ne.jp Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:03:27 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [gig spam] Amsterdam and Switzerland Feb. 2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My tour dates are below. I wan to meet European loopers.. also details available my site: http://www.cavestudio.com/liveinformation/ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com ------------------------------- 11 Mon Feb. '02 Live at Amsterdam , Holland Overtoom 301 Sunao Inami - electro Kazuya Ishigami - electro Cristin Wildbolz - double bass Cor Fuhler - analogues anomalies 21:30 start details : Kraakgeluiden http://www.euronet.nl/users/fuhler/kraakgeluiden.htm contact : Overtoom 301 http://squat.net/overtoom301/ studio301@squat.net +31 020 779 4913 ------------------------------- 16 Sat Feb. '02 Live at Geneva , Switzerland Cave 12 Sunao Inami - computer Kazuya Ishigami - computer Margrit Rieben - electronics Phorq - electronics http://www.phroq.com/ 21:30 open 22:00 start contact : Cave12 12, bd de la Tour, Geneva, Switzerland tel : 022 329 33 95 fsixto@hotmail.com ------------------------------- 17 Sun Feb. '02 Live at Lausanne , Switzerland Espace Autogere Sunao Inami - computer Kazuya Ishigami - computer Margrit Rieben - electronics Phorq - electronics http://www.phroq.com/ contact : http://www.phroq.com/ ------------------------------- 19 Tue Feb. '02 Live at Zurich , Switzerland WIM Zurich Sunao Inami - computer Kazuya Ishigami - computer Margrit Rieben - drums,electronics Tomas Korber - guitar,electronics http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/tomaskorber/ 20:15 start contact : WIM Zurich http://www.wimmusic.ch/ Magnusstrasse 5 , CH-8004 Zurich , Switzerland T+F: +41 1 241 04 02 ------------------------------- 21 Thu Feb. '02 Live at Bern , Switzerland Dampfzentrale Sunao Inami - computer Kazuya Ishigami - computer Margrit Rieben - drums,electronics Phorq - electronics http://www.phroq.com/ contact : WIM Bern Wyttenbachstrasse 25 , 3013 Bern , Switzerland Dampfzentrale http://www.dampfzentrale.ch/ Marzilistrasse 47 , 3005 Bern , Switzerland Tel +41 31 311 63 37 Fax +41 31 312 51 05 ------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 00:50:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18447; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:49:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:49:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5A2C51.C1569540@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:49:04 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Wanted: DJish electronic percussionist SF area(was Re: Percussive Loopers) References: <003701c1aa7f$e783af20$6445230a@melon> <003801c1aa93$22d4cb50$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, all this talk of electronic purcussion has got me thinking. For a while we had a woman who was using realtime filters and effects on our drumloops, coming from a Roland MC-307 and a Yamaha DJXII hokey drum box. It worked pretty well, but she's decided that, as classical guitarist, she's moving up to Chapman Stick. That part's working our really well, but we're loosing someone to mix up the beats. Ideally, I'd love it for that person to be an electronic percussionist. I'd love real drums/purc. but I'd kind of like to keep practices here at my apt. in sunny Alameda CA. and a real kit would be too much, but something like tablas would be fine. I actually have an extra drum module and a Roland Octapad, so if you'd want to just show up, and play that would be perfect. Jon? Anyone? The music is very prog hip hop/weird dance. Mark Sottilaro Bill Cummings wrote: > yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). > > I do have a fairly nice array though: > v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 > K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & > DJX IIB, > Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer > & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, > Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX > SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon > MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter > PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, > Ashley 8 channel line mixer, > Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) > Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A > Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. > > What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and > Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works > Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, > & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my > Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. > > I still want a Wave Drum though...... > > From: "Michael LaMeyer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > > > yup! weee! > > > > korg wavedrum > > electrix repeater > > t.c m-one > > alesis air one > > lexicon vortex > > electrix filter factory > > electrix mofx > > behringer fcb1010 > > > > it's rather absurd, actually. but i'm almost to the point where > > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or > > something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the > > connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with > > some useful banks. lately i've just been using the m-one and > > air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just > > lovely. the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > > to use it, i've found. although i think i'll have to squeeze > > the vortex in there somewhere. for asynchronous looping, if > > nothing else. i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and > > repeater. num. i've also been thinking it might be fun to get > > another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high > > pitched pair of tablas or something. scary. help! > > > > mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Barnard" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM > > Subject: Percussive Loopers > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either > > acoustic or > > > electronic drums/percussion? > > > > > > Here's my set-up: > > > > > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > > > Alesis DM-Pro > > > Repeater > > > Behringer FCB1010 > > > > > > Alan > > > _________________________ > > > Alan Barnard > > > BarnarDesign > > > http://www.barnardesign.com > > > alan@barnardesign.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 01:26:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21113; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:25:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006d01c1a933$453c71e0$79095cd1@-> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:27:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 Playlist for January 2002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hope you guys liked the CD I sent you .... >[ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] > >WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to >New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for January, 2002. >Shows #250 to #253; 3-January-2002 to 24-January-2002 >Reported in non-ranked order. >Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net > >CONTACT: billfox@fast.net > http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic > > --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 01:45:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22224; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:44:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:44:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.42.66.210] From: "blue wolf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rack input wanted Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 06:44:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 06:44:02.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[D60A99E0:01C1AAEB] Resent-Message-ID: <_91UY.A.SZF.VljW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


Hi All,

I'm just starting out and need some input/advice on the best way to set up a traveling rig. I'm going to be on the road, including Japan and Europe.

All I have so far is an EDP. I play native american flute and add other percusive stuff to the mix. I'm thinking an SKB ATB case is important. Can any one advise me on how many spaces I should get? I have a feeling I will be adding more stuff? Is a mixer important?

I appreciate any and all advice any one can offer me.

Peace, Blue


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 02:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24238; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <050e01c1aaee$14e27b90$022cf7a5@electric71xq89> From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_050B_01C1AAC4.2B4A5C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7Qx4FB.A.i4F.2zjW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_050B_01C1AAC4.2B4A5C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Percussive Looperstom, yea, my friends have taken to calling me Galactus (God of Gear). I only = wish I had an extra 12 hours in the day to play with all those toys. BTW, what's the deal with the Indigenous Planet Percussion Camp? Is that = the Roy Wooten's Nature & Drums experience? I totally missed out on = that, heard about it after the fact. Will it be happening again this = year?=20 ALSO, did I hear a rumor that you were going to be coming to KOSA in = Vermont this year? You know Aldo has 2 WAVE DRUMS, maybe one for each of = us? (nah, he'd never sell them).=20 I'm hoping to get my website up later this year (mc2band.com), but I've = said that before. If I ever do there'll be mucho pics posted of = 'Electric Billy Land', as well as mp3's from the forthcoming CD (E=3D). What are you triggering these days with the Zendrum? I'm looking to set = mine up as a controller to use with LIVE & Reaktor (been triggering = Battery lately, but I haven't got the Latency correct on the = laptop...I'm at about 20ms now, but need to be below 12ms. I probably = need to dish out for the RME Multiface). Glad to see that there a few more percussive loopers on the list as of = late. BC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Roady=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers BILL.... IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE DEFINITELY DONE YOUR SHARE TO KEEP THE = ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE SOLVENT...I COMMEND YOU HEARTILY! GEAR = HOUNDS UNITE!!!!! WAVEDRUM HUH??/ I SOLD MINE LAST MARCH TO SOMEONE ON THE LIST...A FAIR = PRICE I THOUGHT....UNTIL TALKING WITH WILL CALHOUN AND HEARING THAT IN = JAPAN THEY ARE GOING FOR AS MUCH AS $5000 -$6000 U.S....GOOD LUCK!!!!! I = GOT RID OF IT AFTER A FEW YEARS OF HEARING PRODUCERS SAY "WHAT ELSE YA = GOT?"....WHEN I SAW WILL PLAYING IT AT THE INDIGENOUS PLANET PERCUSSION = CAMP, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS......OH-OH I THINK I F____ED UP! =20 EVERYONE SEEMS TO ACCEPT THE HANDSONIC I USE THESE DAYS AS WELL AS MY = ZENDRUMS MUCH MORE READILY ..........I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PHOTO OF YOUR = SETUP SOMETIME...TR... P.S. WEAR A BACK BRACE AND KEEP YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE CURRENT... AND ALLAN...WELCOME TO THE LIST From: "Bill Cummings" Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:09:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). I do have a fairly nice array though: v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami = RS7000 K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami = DJX & DJX IIB, Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ = Killer & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass = Pod, DBX SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, = Lexicon MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line = Mixer, Ashley 8 channel line mixer, Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, = (2) Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, = Traktor, & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or = my Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. I still want a Wave Drum though...... From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > yup! weee! > > korg wavedrum > electrix repeater > t.c m-one > alesis air one > lexicon vortex > electrix filter factory > electrix mofx > behringer fcb1010 > > it's rather absurd, actually. but i'm almost to the point where > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or > something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the > connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with > some useful banks. lately i've just been using the m-one and > air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just > lovely. the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > to use it, i've found. although i think i'll have to squeeze > the vortex in there somewhere. for asynchronous looping, if > nothing else. i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and > repeater. num. i've also been thinking it might be fun to get > another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high > pitched pair of tablas or something. scary. help! > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Barnard" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM > Subject: Percussive Loopers > > > > Hi, > > > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either > acoustic or > > electronic drums/percussion? > > > > Here's my set-up: > > > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > > Alesis DM-Pro > > Repeater > > Behringer FCB1010 > > > > Alan > > _________________________ > > Alan Barnard > > BarnarDesign > > http://www.barnardesign.com > > alan@barnardesign.com > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_050B_01C1AAC4.2B4A5C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Percussive Loopers
tom,
yea, my friends have taken to calling me Galactus = (God of=20 Gear). I only wish I had an extra 12 hours in the day to play with all = those=20 toys.
 
BTW, what's the deal with the Indigenous Planet = Percussion=20 Camp? Is that the Roy Wooten's Nature & Drums experience? I totally = missed=20 out on that, heard about it after the fact. Will it be happening again = this=20 year?
ALSO, did I hear a rumor that you were going to be = coming to=20 KOSA in Vermont this year? You know Aldo has 2 WAVE DRUMS, maybe one for = each of=20 us? (nah, he'd never sell them).
 
I'm hoping to get my website up later this year = (mc2band.com),=20 but I've said that before. If I ever do there'll be mucho pics posted of = 'Electric Billy Land', as well as mp3's from the forthcoming CD=20 (E=3D).
 
What are you triggering these days with the Zendrum? = I'm=20 looking to set mine up as a controller to use with LIVE & Reaktor = (been=20 triggering Battery lately, but I haven't got the Latency correct on = the=20 laptop...I'm at about 20ms now, but need to be below 12ms. I probably = need to=20 dish out for the RME Multiface).
 
Glad to see that there a few more percussive loopers = on the=20 list as of late.
BC
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom Roady=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 31, = 2002 10:18=20 PM
Subject: RE: Percussive = Loopers

BILL.... IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE = DEFINITELY=20 DONE YOUR SHARE TO KEEP THE ELECTRONICS  INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE = SOLVENT...I=20 COMMEND YOU HEARTILY! GEAR HOUNDS UNITE!!!!!

WAVEDRUM HUH??/ I = SOLD=20 MINE LAST MARCH TO SOMEONE ON THE LIST...A FAIR PRICE I = THOUGHT....UNTIL=20 TALKING WITH WILL CALHOUN AND HEARING THAT IN JAPAN THEY ARE GOING FOR = AS MUCH=20 AS $5000 -$6000 U.S....GOOD LUCK!!!!! I GOT RID OF IT AFTER A FEW = YEARS OF=20 HEARING PRODUCERS SAY "WHAT ELSE YA GOT?"....WHEN I SAW WILL PLAYING = IT AT THE=20 INDIGENOUS PLANET PERCUSSION CAMP, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS......OH-OH I = THINK I=20 F____ED UP!  

EVERYONE SEEMS TO ACCEPT THE HANDSONIC I USE = THESE=20 DAYS AS WELL AS MY ZENDRUMS MUCH MORE READILY ..........I WOULD LOVE = TO SEE A=20 PHOTO OF YOUR SETUP SOMETIME...TR...

P.S. WEAR A BACK BRACE AND = KEEP=20 YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE CURRENT...

AND ALLAN...WELCOME TO THE=20 LIST


From: "Bill Cummings" <billcumm@sprynet.com>
Date: = Thu, 31=20 Jan 2002 14:09:02 -0600
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
S= ubject:=20 Re: Percussive Loopers

yea, wish I had bought a = wavedrum way=20 back when (they were available).

I do have a fairly nice array=20 though:
v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX = samplers,=20 Yami RS7000
K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, = Alesis=20 QSR, Yami DJX &
DJX IIB,
Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter = Factory,=20 Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer
& Filter Queen), Alesis Air=20 FX,
Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, = Bass=20 Pod, DBX
SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic=20 Maximizer, Lexicon
MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo = Compressor/Limiter
PreSonus=20 MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line = Mixer,
Ashley=20 8 channel line mixer,
Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis = Studio 12R=20 12-channel mixer, (2)
Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier = SRM450s,=20 (2) Mackie SRS1500A
Powered 15  Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P,=20 miscellaneous other harware.

What I've really been digging = lately is=20 all the cool softSYNTHs and
Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample = Tank,=20 REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works
Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, = Abelton=20 LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor,
& Spektral Delay. Running these on = either=20 my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my
Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME=20 stuff.

I still want a Wave Drum though......

From: = "Michael=20 LaMeyer" <m.lameyer@verizon.net>
To: = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
= Sent:=20 Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Percussive=20 Loopers


> yup!  weee!
>
> korg = wavedrum
>=20 electrix repeater
> t.c m-one
> alesis air one
> = lexicon=20 vortex
> electrix filter factory
> electrix mofx
> = behringer=20 fcb1010
>
> it's rather absurd, actually.  but i'm = almost to=20 the point where
> i'm going to try taking this gig out, open = mics or=20 busking or
> something. been taking me a while to figure out how = i want=20 the
> connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got=20 with
> some useful banks.  lately i've just been using the = m-one=20 and
> air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been = just
> lovely.  the more crap i try to plug in, the more = hassle it=20 is
> to use it, i've found.  although i think i'll have to=20 squeeze
> the vortex in there somewhere.  for asynchronous = looping,=20 if
> nothing else.  i REALLY like midi snych between the = m-one=20 and
> repeater.  num.  i've also been thinking it = might be fun=20 to get
> another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a=20 low/high
> pitched pair of tablas or something.  scary.=20  help!
>
> mike
>
> ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> From: "Alan Barnard" <alan@barnardesign.com>
> To: = <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> = Sent:=20 Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM
> Subject: Percussive=20 Loopers
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > = Anybody out=20 there doing any *real-time* looping with either
> acoustic = or
>=20 > electronic drums/percussion?
> >
> > Here's my=20 set-up:
> >
> > 2/Zendrums  ( http://www.zendrum.com )
> > = Alesis=20 DM-Pro
> > Repeater
> > Behringer FCB1010
>=20 >
> > Alan
> > _________________________
> = >=20 Alan Barnard
> > BarnarDesign
> > http://www.barnardesign.com
> > = alan@barnardesign.com
> = >
>=20 = >
>

 ------=_NextPart_000_050B_01C1AAC4.2B4A5C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 03:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29090; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:19:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011801c1aaf9$35d64ce0$cd62f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200201312203.RAA03354@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:19:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5onCGC.A.bFH.C-kW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is interesting, I have been a trapset drummer for 35 years (this year) and multi-percussionist/ethnic percussionist for almost 25 years and I use a tremendous amount of those techniques in my live looping shows, but I have been concentrating on found objects/invented instruments and a whole host of melodic instruments in the last three years. Because I am well known in my town as a trapset/hand drumming percussionist (trained in many traditional American, Caribbean, west African, middle, Balkan, Celtic,Indonesian, Japanese and Indian styles) I know that a lot of more conventional musicians that I know think that I'm crazy to be doing all this looping stuff. ("He plays drums so well, what's he doing with all these toys and weird instruments) but it has been my 'bliss' so far. I have an embarrassingly large collection of percussion instruments (and melodic instruments from all over the world) and more trapset drums than you can shake a stick at, but I will mention the specifics of my looping setup: I have a 'jungle/trip hot' drumset that has entirely miniature drums that I built myself: I have a 6",8" and 10" fiberglass snare drums that I custom built (down to remanufacturing snares--they don't even make 6" inch snare side heads so they were custom made, drilling hardware for snare strands and using piccolo hardware for the shallow depths. These I us on an old Ludwig triple tom holder that I have set flat so that I can rotate the drum into proper position. These drums are tuned very tightly so that when I do long buzz rolls on them (with the Vic Firth incredibly tapered SD5 Echo sticks which produce the finest orchestral buzz rolls on the planet) it sounds like I am playing stuttered rhythms on different key samples of the same drum.......all this is to simulate ReCycle styled 'drum & bass' or 'Jungle' rhythms. I then have little 10" Zldjian recording hats permanently closed (but adjustable). For my bass drums I have experimented and perfected an incredible idea that I lifted from the unusual and incredible drummer for Mari Boine's band (she is a Sami shamanic singer with one of the worlds most incredible and futuristic electro/acoustic bands) who I played on the same stage with at the Monterey World One festival. He had a 12" rototom with gaffing tape all over it on both sides, tuned to almost rippling looseness. It sounded like cardboard or paper from two feet away, but right up close it had the deepest subsonic sound that was very quiet. Normally, a big subsonic drum sound has a very long duration but because this drum was literally weighted down by the gaffing tape, the tape acted like a noise gate. The result was the dreamiest subsonic bass you've ever heard but a very short envelope so it didn't overwhelm the low end..........incredible!!! I took the idea of the Brazilian surdo players and glued thick naughahyde to both surfaces of both a 12" drum and a 14" drum (both Purecussion pancake tom toms) and tuned one up quite a bit and one down as low as I can get it: Voila: a low trip hop, half speed, TR808 kind of sound and a much higher double speed jungle sound. I mic these both with 2 AKG D112s Y-ed together with Peavey silent on/off switched soldered on the ends so I can have both on or either on (or off). I then finish it off with a whole host of weird cymbals and cymbal stackings. I"m on this kick lately to try and make my acoustic drums sound like electronic or analogue synthetic drums and have been trying out some very hip experiments with some great results. I"ll post some of those ideas if anyone is interested but, suffice it to say that I've got a very cool and really tiny looping rig. I put one Shure SM81 condenser mic over the top of everything and the D112s on the kicks and I have one drum set stereo pair (though I process them into a Lexicon Jamperson in glorious mono ;-) I then have two AKG C1000s going through two Art tube preamps into two LINE 6 DL-4s on two separate pedalboards (painted obnoxiously and easily identifiably dayglo green (primary) and dayglo pink (secondary). One I have the input routed through a morley two way switch which sends either straight in or through my old trusty red Digitech non-intelligent pitch shifter (which I love to death if it weren't for how noisy the damn rig is). The other board I have the input routed through the new Boss Intelligent shifting footpedal (much better fidelity but I can't seem to get the expression pedal to give me the smooth and theremin like sweeping capabilities of the ancient Digitech Red Whammy (question to list: has Digitech improved on the signal to noise ration of their newest model Red Whammy?) I"m still not completely satisfied with my floor board rig and want to try taking the out of one DL-4, routing it through a mono volume pedal into the second DL-4 to take advantage of looping the wonderful filter sweep and lo fi, degrading simulations of the DL-4 (question to universe: Why did Line6 do such an abysmal job of incorporating their delay models into their looping functions and leaving out midi sync capabilities on their Echo pro model From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 04:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02176; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:51:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:51:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c1ab06$7d98bd80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> <001101c1aaa7$b7745780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <004501c1aac0$957b19c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Subject: Re: Vortex Repair Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:54:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah- well I sent it to them once already for a different encoder repair a year or so ago- I don't feel like paying them again- but we'll see how it goes- Thanks for the info- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Vortex Repair > Hey Cliff, > > I did the same thing... installed the rotary encoder myself and still didn't > work. So I sent it off to Lexicon for their flat-rate repair of (I believe) > $95. Worked great from then on. The invoice showed that they cut a trace and > jumpered something as well as replacing both encoders. -Miko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:36 PM > Subject: Vortex Repair > > > > I ordered a replacement pot for the parameters on my Vortex- I tried to > > replace one before without success- I'm decent with soldering skills but > > this was difficult- it looked perfect but was not working- I'd like to try > > it again on this new one- any suggestions or tips for the procedure > > appreciated. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 04:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02586; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:54:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:54:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c1ab06$df69f060$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <3C59C5F1.B4E0A18C@cabq.gov> <001101c1aaa7$b7745780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20020131215653.009f51e0@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Vortex Repair Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:57:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "p koniuto" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Vortex Repair > > > >work. So I sent it off to Lexicon for their flat-rate repair of (I believe) > >$95. Worked great from then on. The invoice showed that they cut a trace and > > The flat-rate of $95 for Lex repairs no longer > applies to the Vortex and Jamman. Here's an > e-mail i sent to the list a while back explaining > the new policy: > > >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:43:43 -0400 > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >From: p koniuto > >Subject: Re: Jam Man Repairs > > > > > >Hi Doc: > > > >You asked: > > > >>My JamMan is stubbornly refusing to go into Echo mode. Does Lexicon still > >>repair these, and, if not, who does? > > > >Repair for the JamMan (and the Vortex) used to be > >a flat repair rate for $95 US. This is sadly no > >longer the case. > > > >Since they're now considered "Legacy" products (i.e. > >it's been more than five years since manufacturing > >of the JM and Vortex ceased), they are repaired on > >an estimate basis. > > > >It'll cost $75 US for them to do the estimate. If you > >choose to have the work done, they apply that $75 > >to the cost of the repair. I had my JamMan repaired > >(rotary encoders replaced, etc.). The estimate was > >somewhere around $140, but the repair ended up being > >closer to $115. > > > >I was having the same problem you are having. > > > >Turnaround time was around 3 weeks or so. > > > Hope that helps, > peter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 05:55:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08529; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:54:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:54:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.compact.dhs.org: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Racking, definitely ON-TOPIC!! Message-ID: <1012560832.3c5a73c0949dd@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 05:53:52 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: <00tRPC.A.pEC.CPnW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Mark Hamburg : > Did you buy or build the side-by-side rack? I built it ... building a ghetto rack is not expensive or difficult. building a nice rack is expensive and nearly impossible for the amateur. I built a ghetto rack ... appropriate considering the music I play, which is kind of like Isaac Hayes and Klaus Schulze starring in a road-trip buddy flick. > Do you have recommendations on a keyboard stand/table? yeah. go to Cosco for the table. the heavy-duty keyboard stand is here: http://www.quiklok.com/search_list.taf?_function=detail&Layout_0_uid1=95 ... the Quik-Lok WS-550. it's _great_. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 06:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10094; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5A79EF.9B31D4FF@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 06:20:16 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percusive Loopers References: <200201311450.JAA27415@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'm not sure if I'm doing "real-time" looping. I use a zendrum/DM-Pro combination as well as a Roland Handsonic (you should check this out!!) with a Repeater. What I do is create a rhythm track, and then layer guitar, synths on top of it. Of start with guitar and layer percussion onto it. Once I get a bed of 2, 3, 4 parts, I jam along with it on guitar or synth. I'm doing fairly traditional "lay down a track at a time" as opposed to evolving compositions. I really love the feel of both the Zendrum and the Handsonic - very responsive. How are you using your setup, Alan? What do you do with *two* Zendrums? :) Elby Hi, Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either acoustic or electronic drums/percussion? Here's my set-up: 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) Alesis DM-Pro Repeater Behringer FCB1010 Alan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 06:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10756; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5A7BC2.5EF65819@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 06:28:02 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Axon midi converter References: <200201311450.JAA27415@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own the Axon AX100. It is very responsive (well, at least to a turtle-speed picker like myself!!). It also tracks note and pitchbend very well. It *does* require a fair amount of fiddlin' to get it setup, but once you have it tweaked properly, it works like a charm. The feature set on it is incredible. You can assign individual strings to different channels, set up 3 (I think?) different zones on the neck. It has a built in arpeggiator, hold function, etc, etc. I haven't even scratched the surface with mine! They are rather pricey, but I think it's a case of getting what you pay for. The Axon pickup, on the other hand is cheap junk (the Axon converters require a hexaphonic pickup with 13-pin connector). I have a Roland replacement that's supposed to arrive tomorrow; hopefully a better piece of gear. Elby I have HEARD that the Axon system is great. J. McLaughlin uses it and he plays very fast at times to say the least- it also seems to have some kick ass features like setting up different midi zones on the same string! Supposed to use "neural network" hardware or something like that- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 08:16:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21647; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:15:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:15:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: RE: Percusive Loopers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:14:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C5A79EF.9B31D4FF@cloud9.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Elby, I'm using the second Zendrum to trigger sound sources in our main rack (ever evolving set of samplers and modules). In other words, I wear one and play it as the primary, typically covering kit/percussion parts. The second sits on a stand for triggering sound effects/ambient stuff. Thanks everybody for the great posts. I can see I need to get busy maxing out the plastic to keep up with this group! ;-) Alan _________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign http://www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com > Well, I'm not sure if I'm doing "real-time" looping. I use a > zendrum/DM-Pro > combination as well as a Roland Handsonic (you should check this > out!!) with a > Repeater. What I do is create a rhythm track, and then layer > guitar, synths on top > of it. Of start with guitar and layer percussion onto it. Once I > get a bed of 2, 3, > 4 parts, I jam along with it on guitar or synth. I'm doing > fairly traditional "lay > down a track at a time" as opposed to evolving compositions. I > really love the feel > of both the Zendrum and the Handsonic - very responsive. > > How are you using your setup, Alan? What do you do with *two* > Zendrums? :) > > Elby > > > Hi, > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either > acoustic or > electronic drums/percussion? > > Here's my set-up: > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > Alesis DM-Pro > Repeater > Behringer FCB1010 > > Alan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 08:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22469; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:29:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:29:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <82.16e74ccd.298bf227@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:29:11 EST Subject: Re: Vortex Repair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I ordered a replacement pot for the parameters on my Vortex- I tried to > replace one before without success- I'm decent with soldering skills but > this was difficult- it looked perfect but was not working- I'd like to try > it again on this new one- any suggestions or tips for the procedure > appreciated. Remember its a double sided circuit board, so you need to solder from both sides. Check for breaks in cicuit board tracks, particularly any that might have been caused by removing the old pot. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 10:06:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30649; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:05:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:05:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:15:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <02013120545700.01606@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02020110153500.03243@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:54 PM -0500 1/31/02, Todd Pafford wrote: > >My guitar has two sets of pickups, so these two chains are running in > >parallel: > > > >Guitar (magnetic pickups) -> Compressor -> Distortion -> Vortex -> > > Boomerang -> Mixer -> Amp > > > >Guitar (piezo pickups) -> Compressor -> Vortex -> Mixer -> Amp > > What's the guitar? Parker Fly. Great crystal clear clean sound, but lacks the great woodiness of a nice thick Les Paul. I've been itching to try out some of Godin's offerings recently and maybe put some wood back in my sound and maintain the two-voice thing. I can't imagine losing the piezo pickups at this point. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 10:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31139; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:11:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:11:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:10:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 15:10:22.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[91965EB0:01C1AB32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to Todd & everyone else for responding. Sometimes the less stuff I bring to a session to work with the more interesting sounds & loops appear. It is easy to get carried away with all the new hardware.. Cheers LOU >From: Todd Pafford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:54:57 -0500 > >On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Louis Rossi wrote: > > I'm curious to know where vortex users position their unit.. > > Pre or Post Looping device? Mixer send, amp effects loop etc etc.. > > > > Cheers > > Lou > > > >My guitar has two sets of pickups, so these two chains are running in >parallel: > >Guitar (magnetic pickups) -> Compressor -> Distortion -> Vortex -> >Boomerang >-> Mixer -> Amp > >Guitar (piezo pickups) -> Compressor -> Vortex -> Mixer -> Amp > >The benefit to putting the looper (essentially) last is that I can loop >affected sounds, then lay down sounds affected in entirely different ways >on >top. Granted it'd be nice to have some post-loop processing capabilities, >but if I can only pick one, it'd have to be pre-loop. > >I really wish the Boomerang was stereo or that I could somehow link two >together. My loops really miss the bright clean sound from the piezos, but >the mags give me more sonic possibilities so they get looped. I guess >it'll >soon be time to graduate to and EDP or Repeater. > >~~Todd~~ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 10:27:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32528; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:27:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:27:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.91] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gearackitushoestringlooper Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:26:26 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 15:26:26.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[D06C92B0:01C1AB34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if we were to add up all the paramiters and variables of the gear associated with the members of this list, it would probably stretch to any place we wanted to go, assuming we can replace that variable also. With racks of racks, my brain becomes racked, my bank account gets racked, and I get racked by my girl friend. At what point in gear acquisistion do we become a music store? :-) hehehehe My brain gets serious fog with so much to control, no it's not just old bong water. I am looking to set up my minimal rig, to do as much as I can, with as little as can be, with everthing working in a similar way. Just tring to conserve brain horsepower. I play a 5bass and a double neck 6bass/6guitar. I have one rc-20 with plans for another. I have one zoom 506 with plans for one more of this type of zoom. I have a sterio ernie ball volume that will cross fade with plans to obtain another. I will use one processor and one rc-20 for each neck, unless I am only playing bass, then I'll use both rc-20's. The cross fader will be on the output of the rc-20's to enable dropping out a loop slowly while bringing in another ---- or scratch style effects while playing. The bank advance jacks will be connected through a single DPDT foot switch. Enabling changing both loop tracks at the same time. The zoom 506/505's have the same control system jack. The variable control jack of both of these will be connected through one converted ernie ball pedal and the bank/location jack connected through a DPDT foot switch. This will allow changing both patches at the same time. An addition of two foot switches will determine if the effects will be pre or post looper. This all will fit into a fairly small pedal board that can be carried with one hand. This will keep hernias down to carrying bass/guitar amps. Everything will work in similar ways and changes can be made to both chains at one time. No midi needed until I get a bass controller which will then be connected to the second input(s) on the rc-20. Vocals can also be added to another input. The zooms are kind of cheezey, but will work. The rc-20's limited in functions, but all things together should be easy to manage plus make musac. Not to expensive either. Feelings? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 11:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03819; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:00:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:59:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011559.KAA31187@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: gearackitushoestringlooper X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have everything in 4-space SKB racks that stack nicely. There are a lot of advantages to this scheme... I can mix and match and only take what I need to a gig, I can roll it around my rather small apartment. Of course, the needs of someone living in Manhattan are rather different than most. Space becomes a main issue! /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 11:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04234; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:03:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:02:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011602.LAA31336@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: ny loop fest? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's not firmed up yet but I am in discussions with a small space. Downside: place is small. Upside: Lower East Side, very comfortable, could play regularly there, manager is a friend of mine for over 10 years! I'll let you all know... /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 11:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05698; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:21:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:32:43 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01c1ab46$74f813c0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: in gear acquisistion do we become a music store? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, I'm thinking bout opening up a music store!! ;~) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Aldrich" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: gearackitushoestringlooper > Well, if we were to add up all the paramiters and variables of the gear > associated with the members of this list, it would probably stretch to any > place we wanted to go, assuming we can replace that variable also. > > With racks of racks, my brain becomes racked, my bank account gets racked, > and I get racked by my girl friend. > > At what point in gear acquisistion do we become a music store? :-) > hehehehe > > My brain gets serious fog with so much to control, no it's not just old bong > water. > > I am looking to set up my minimal rig, to do as much as I can, with as > little as can be, with everthing working in a similar way. Just tring to > conserve brain horsepower. > > I play a 5bass and a double neck 6bass/6guitar. > I have one rc-20 with plans for another. > I have one zoom 506 with plans for one more of this type of zoom. > I have a sterio ernie ball volume that will cross fade with plans to obtain > another. > > I will use one processor and one rc-20 for each neck, unless I am only > playing bass, then I'll use both rc-20's. The cross fader will be on the > output of the rc-20's to enable dropping out a loop slowly while bringing in > another ---- or scratch style effects while playing. The bank advance jacks > will be connected through a single DPDT foot switch. > Enabling changing both loop tracks at the same time. > > The zoom 506/505's have the same control system jack. The variable control > jack of both of these will be connected through one converted ernie ball > pedal and the bank/location jack connected through a DPDT foot switch. This > will allow changing both patches at the same time. > > An addition of two foot switches will determine if the effects will be pre > or post looper. > > This all will fit into a fairly small pedal board that can be carried with > one hand. This will keep hernias down to carrying bass/guitar amps. > Everything will work in similar ways and changes can be made to both chains > at one time. No midi needed until I get a bass controller which will then be > connected to the second input(s) on the rc-20. Vocals can also be added to > another input. > > The zooms are kind of cheezey, but will work. The rc-20's limited in > functions, but all things together should be easy to manage plus make musac. > Not to expensive either. > > Feelings? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 11:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07045; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:36:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:36:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <153.82cc8fa.298c1dfa@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:36:10 EST Subject: Re: Voretex (was Re: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_153.82cc8fa.298c1dfa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_153.82cc8fa.298c1dfa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 10:04:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, galen@erols.com writes: > What's the guitar? > > Parker Fly. im using a carvin ae-185 that has a similiar set-up.....two outs.....one piezo the one humbucker.....lots of versatility.....i think the godins with 3 outs (piezo-magnetic-13 pin) would be a gas, perhaps next lifetime.....:)m --part1_153.82cc8fa.298c1dfa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 10:04:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, galen@erols.com writes:


What's the guitar?

Parker Fly. 


im using a carvin ae-185 that has a similiar set-up.....two outs.....one piezo the one humbucker.....lots of versatility.....i think the godins with 3 outs (piezo-magnetic-13 pin) would be a gas, perhaps next lifetime.....:)m --part1_153.82cc8fa.298c1dfa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 11:44:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07824; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:44:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:44:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.8ad2916.298c1f9f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:43:11 EST Subject: Re: gearackitushoestringlooper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13f.8ad2916.298c1f9f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13f.8ad2916.298c1f9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 10:27:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, joy_top@hotmail.com writes: > My brain gets serious fog with so much to control, no it's not just old bong > > water. > i dont remember (so whats new) if i mentioned the last "away" gig i played.....all i took was my alesis air fx, fender champ and my ever trusty boomerang.....limited as this was, i was still blown away by all of the options soundwise that i had at my disposal.....:)m --part1_13f.8ad2916.298c1f9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 10:27:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, joy_top@hotmail.com writes:


My brain gets serious fog with so much to control, no it's not just old bong
water.


i dont remember (so whats new) if i mentioned the last "away" gig i played.....all i took was my alesis air fx, fender champ and my ever trusty boomerang.....limited as this was, i was still blown away by all of the options soundwise that i had at my disposal.....:)m --part1_13f.8ad2916.298c1f9f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 11:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08735; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <122.b8f52ee.298c2132@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:49:54 EST Subject: Re: gearackitushoestringlooper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com da wrote: >Feelings? sung: ..... nothing more than feelings..... dt / skeeterpelt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 11:56:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09259; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:55:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:55:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.13605ca3.298c2260@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:54:56 EST Subject: invitation (food and beer! oh my) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the "vodoo pigs" are at it again PIG FEST 2002 takes place tamari here in pittsburgh.....starting at 2 o'clock till your fingers no longer work.....followed by bad movies and monopoly.....so if you are nearby give me a buzz at 412-488-6849 and ill give you the waz-up.....sorry for the short notice, i know mr voit and mr walker really wanted to be here, sure!.....:)m (just another michael) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 12:39:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12677; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:33:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:33:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:38:32 -0600 Subject: PERCUSSIVE LOOPERS From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3095408312_39455715_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3095408312_39455715_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Bill Cummings" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:00:05 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers tom, yea, my friends have taken to calling me Galactus (God of Gear). I only wish I had an extra 12 hours in the day to play with all those toys. BTW, what's the deal with the Indigenous Planet Percussion Camp? Is that the Roy Wooten's Nature & Drums experience? I totally missed out on that, heard about it after the fact. Will it be happening again this year? UNFORTUNALTELY NOT THIS YEAR I'M SORRY TO SAY. ALSO, did I hear a rumor that you were going to be coming to KOSA in Vermont this year? You know Aldo has 2 WAVE DRUMS, maybe one for each of us? (nah, he'd never sell them). ALDO AND I TALKED AT PASIC...HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK IT OUT...I'LD REALLY LOVE TO BE A PART OF KOSA..IT IS REALLY A WONDERFUL CAMP FROM MY UNDERSTANDING I'm hoping to get my website up later this year (mc2band.com), but I've said that before. If I ever do there'll be mucho pics posted of 'Electric Billy Land', as well as mp3's from the forthcoming CD (E=). What are you triggering these days with the Zendrum? I'm looking to set mine up as a controller to use with LIVE & Reaktor (been triggering Battery lately, but I haven't got the Latency correct on the laptop...I'm at about 20ms now, but need to be below 12ms. I probably need to dish out for the RME Multiface). I'M MAINLY USING A PLANET EARTH...KILLER SOUNDS... ALONG WITH A CARNAVAL AND AN E-64 SAMPLER..... I WENT TO NAMM AND SAW ALOT OF KOOL SOFTWARE....ABLETON'S LIVE LOOKED PRETTY KOOL.IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT ON THE LIST BEFORE...IT'S AN AUDIO SEQUENCER WHERE YOU RECORD AND BRING IN SAMPLES AND LOOPS FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT SOURCES...I'M HOPING TO GET EITHER AN OLDER G3 LAPTOP OR AN I BOOK SOON...I THINK THIS WITH REASON WOULD BE KILLER! YOU ARE USING A DELL LAPTOP RIGHT?? Glad to see that there a few more percussive loopers on the list as of late. BC YES...FOR SURE...ALAN IS OUR NEWEST AND HE DID THE ZENDRUM WEBBPAGE,,,NICE JOB BY THE WAY...SPEAKING OF ...VERY SOON WE WILL HAVE ...ARE YOU READY??? SOUNDS ONBOARD!!!!!! YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KITS AND UPDATES DIRECTLY FROM THE WEBBPAGE...WE HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME CUSTOM SAMPLING OF SOME KITS AND I THINK WE ARE ALSO GOING TO SAMPLE SOME OF MY OWN INSTRUMENTS AS WELL AS MY KILLER DW SHORTSTACK KIT I JUST GOT LAST FALL. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Roady To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers BILL.... IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE DEFINITELY DONE YOUR SHARE TO KEEP THE ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE SOLVENT...I COMMEND YOU HEARTILY! GEAR HOUNDS UNITE!!!!! WAVEDRUM HUH??/ I SOLD MINE LAST MARCH TO SOMEONE ON THE LIST...A FAIR PRICE I THOUGHT....UNTIL TALKING WITH WILL CALHOUN AND HEARING THAT IN JAPAN THEY ARE GOING FOR AS MUCH AS $5000 -$6000 U.S....GOOD LUCK!!!!! I GOT RID OF IT AFTER A FEW YEARS OF HEARING PRODUCERS SAY "WHAT ELSE YA GOT?"....WHEN I SAW WILL PLAYING IT AT THE INDIGENOUS PLANET PERCUSSION CAMP, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS......OH-OH I THINK I F____ED UP! EVERYONE SEEMS TO ACCEPT THE HANDSONIC I USE THESE DAYS AS WELL AS MY ZENDRUMS MUCH MORE READILY ..........I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PHOTO OF YOUR SETUP SOMETIME...TR... P.S. WEAR A BACK BRACE AND KEEP YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE CURRENT... AND ALLAN...WELCOME TO THE LIST From: "Bill Cummings" Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:09:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). I do have a fairly nice array though: v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & DJX IIB, Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, Ashley 8 channel line mixer, Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. I still want a Wave Drum though...... From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > yup! weee! > > korg wavedrum > electrix repeater > t.c m-one > alesis air one > lexicon vortex > electrix filter factory > electrix mofx > behringer fcb1010 > > it's rather absurd, actually. but i'm almost to the point where > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or > something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the > connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with > some useful banks. lately i've just been using the m-one and > air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just > lovely. the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > to use it, i've found. although i think i'll have to squeeze > the vortex in there somewhere. for asynchronous looping, if > nothing else. i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and > repeater. num. i've also been thinking it might be fun to get > another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high > pitched pair of tablas or something. scary. help! > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Barnard" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM > Subject: Percussive Loopers > > > > Hi, > > > > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either > acoustic or > > electronic drums/percussion? > > > > Here's my set-up: > > > > 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) > > Alesis DM-Pro > > Repeater > > Behringer FCB1010 > > > > Alan > > _________________________ > > Alan Barnard > > BarnarDesign > > http://www.barnardesign.com > > alan@barnardesign.com > > > > > --MS_Mac_OE_3095408312_39455715_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable PERCUSSIVE LOOPERS
From: "Bill Cummings"= ; <billcumm@sprynet.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:00:05 -0500
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= >
Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers

tom,
yea, my friends have taken to calling me Galactus (God of Gear). I only wis= h I had an extra 12 hours in the day to play with all those toys.

BTW, what's the deal with the Indigenous Planet Percussion Camp? Is that th= e Roy Wooten's Nature & Drums experience? I totally missed out on that, = heard about it after the fact. Will it be happening again this year?
UNFORTUNALTELY NOT THIS YEAR I'M SORRY TO SAY.

ALSO, did I hear a rumor that you were going to be coming to KOSA in Vermon= t this year? You know Aldo has 2 WAVE DRUMS, maybe one for each of us? (nah,= he'd never sell them).

ALDO AND I TALKED AT PASIC...HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK IT OUT...I'LD REALLY LO= VE TO BE A PART OF KOSA..IT IS REALLY A WONDERFUL CAMP FROM MY UNDERSTANDING=

I'm hoping to get my website up later this year (mc2band.com), but I've sai= d that before. If I ever do there'll be mucho pics posted of 'Electric Billy= Land', as well as mp3's from the forthcoming CD (E=3D).

What are you triggering these days with the Zendrum? I'm looking to set min= e up as a controller to use with LIVE & Reaktor (been triggering Battery= lately, but I haven't got the Latency correct on the laptop...I'm at about = 20ms now, but need to be below 12ms. I probably need to dish out for the RME= Multiface).

I'M MAINLY USING A PLANET EARTH...KILLER SOUNDS... ALONG WITH A CARNAVAL AN= D AN E-64 SAMPLER.....
I WENT TO NAMM AND SAW ALOT OF KOOL SOFTWARE....ABLETON'S LIVE LOOKED PRETT= Y KOOL.IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT ON THE LIST BEFORE...IT'S AN AUDIO SEQUENCER W= HERE YOU RECORD AND BRING IN SAMPLES AND LOOPS FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT SOURCE= S...I'M HOPING TO GET EITHER AN OLDER G3 LAPTOP OR AN I BOOK SOON...I THINK = THIS WITH REASON WOULD BE KILLER!  YOU ARE USING A DELL LAPTOP RIGHT??<= BR>
Glad to see that there a few more percussive loopers on the list as of late= .
BC

YES...FOR SURE...ALAN IS OUR NEWEST AND HE DID THE ZENDRUM WEBBPAGE,,,NICE = JOB BY THE WAY...SPEAKING OF ...VERY SOON WE WILL HAVE ...ARE YOU READY??? &= nbsp;   SOUNDS ONBOARD!!!!!!
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KITS AND UPDATES DIRECTLY FROM THE WEBBPAGE...WE= HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME CUSTOM SAMPLING OF SOME KITS AND I THINK WE ARE ALSO= GOING TO SAMPLE SOME OF MY OWN INSTRUMENTS AS WELL AS MY KILLER DW SHORTSTA= CK KIT I JUST GOT LAST FALL.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Roady <mailto:tomroady@charter= .net>  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers

BILL.... IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE DEFINITELY DONE YOUR S= HARE TO KEEP THE ELECTRONICS  INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE SOLVENT...I COMMEND Y= OU HEARTILY! GEAR HOUNDS UNITE!!!!!

WAVEDRUM HUH??/ I SOLD MINE LAST MARCH TO SOMEONE ON THE LIST...A FAIR PRIC= E I THOUGHT....UNTIL TALKING WITH WILL CALHOUN AND HEARING THAT IN JAPAN THE= Y ARE GOING FOR AS MUCH AS $5000 -$6000 U.S....GOOD LUCK!!!!! I GOT RID OF I= T AFTER A FEW YEARS OF HEARING PRODUCERS SAY "WHAT ELSE YA GOT?"..= ..WHEN I SAW WILL PLAYING IT AT THE INDIGENOUS PLANET PERCUSSION CAMP, MY FI= RST THOUGHT WAS......OH-OH I THINK I F____ED UP!  

EVERYONE SEEMS TO ACCEPT THE HANDSONIC I USE THESE DAYS AS WELL AS MY ZENDR= UMS MUCH MORE READILY ..........I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PHOTO OF YOUR SETUP SO= METIME...TR...

P.S. WEAR A BACK BRACE AND KEEP YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE CURRENT...

AND ALLAN...WELCOME TO THE LIST


From: "Bill Cummings" <billcumm@sprynet.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:09:02 -0600
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers

yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were avail= able).

I do have a fairly nice array though:
v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS700= 0
K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX &= amp;
DJX IIB,
Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Kille= r
& Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX,
Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DB= X
SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon=
MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter
PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer= ,
Ashley 8 channel line mixer,
Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2)<= BR> Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A
Powered 15  Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware.<= BR>
What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and
Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works
Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor= ,
& Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or m= y
Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff.

I still want a Wave Drum though......

From: "Michael LaMeyer" <m.lameyer@ve= rizon.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers


> yup!  weee!
>
> korg wavedrum
> electrix repeater
> t.c m-one
> alesis air one
> lexicon vortex
> electrix filter factory
> electrix mofx
> behringer fcb1010
>
> it's rather absurd, actually.  but i'm almost to the point where<= BR> > i'm going to try taking this gig out, open mics or busking or
> something. been taking me a while to figure out how i want the
> connections to work, and to program the 1010 i just got with
> some useful banks.  lately i've just been using the m-one and
> air one in the effects send of the repeater, and it's been just
> lovely.  the more crap i try to plug in, the more hassle it is > to use it, i've found.  although i think i'll have to squeeze
> the vortex in there somewhere.  for asynchronous looping, if
> nothing else.  i REALLY like midi snych between the m-one and
> repeater.  num.  i've also been thinking it might be fun to = get
> another wavedrum (somehow!) so that i could have a low/high
> pitched pair of tablas or something.  scary.  help!
>
> mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Barnard" <alan@barna= rdesign.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM
> Subject: Percussive Loopers
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either
> acoustic or
> > electronic drums/percussion?
> >
> > Here's my set-up:
> >
> > 2/Zendrums  ( http://www.zendrum.co= m )
> > Alesis DM-Pro
> > Repeater
> > Behringer FCB1010
> >
> > Alan
> > _________________________
> > Alan Barnard
> > BarnarDesign
> > http://www.barnardesign.com
> > alan@barnardesign.com
> >
> >
>
--MS_Mac_OE_3095408312_39455715_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 12:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14557; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.52] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in gear acquisition do we become a music store? Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:49:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 17:49:04.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD64CF20:01C1AB48] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: in gear acquisistion do we become a music store? Your starting a music store!!! Wonder how supplying future competition works out in the business plan. hehehe _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 13:30:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18796; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: RE: vortex repair Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c1ab4e$356254c0$d892adcf@musicmahn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200202011644.LAA08099@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple years ago I sent mine to a local repair shop (synthony in Phoenix, AZ) for the encoder problem. Came out to $75. Then another time which didn't require new parts, only $45. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 13:35:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19449; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:34:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:34:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c1ab4f$146c6a20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <001b01c1ab4e$356254c0$d892adcf@musicmahn> Subject: Re: vortex repair Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:34:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks- I will attempt the repair myself first- knowing the board is double sided as Andy pointed out should be helpful- but if not $60 total is better that over $100- and I know a great shop down the street who do tons of warranty repairs- I bet they would set it straight. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Zang" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: RE: vortex repair > A couple years ago I sent mine to a local repair shop (synthony in > Phoenix, AZ) for the encoder problem. Came out to $75. Then another time > which didn't require new parts, only $45. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 13:36:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19889; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:36:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:36:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:47:34 -0600 Message-ID: <007001c1ab59$4b924240$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: Laptop Latency MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C1AB27.007E3570" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8hqgbD.A.U1E.OAuW8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C1AB27.007E3570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PERCUSSIVE LOOPERS Subject: PERCUSSIVE LOOPERS YOU ARE USING A DELL LAPTOP RIGHT?? Yea, I got a=20 Dell Inspiron 7500 Notebook--Pentium III processor with SpeedStepT, = 750MHz, 15.4" SXGA 256MB, SDRAM, 1 DIMM, Video Memory: 4MB ATI = Mobility-P 3D Video with 2X AGP Primary Hard Drive:30GB Ultra ATA Hard = Drive, Additional Hard Drive: Modular 30GB Ultra ATA Second Hard Drive. I bought it in August 2000, so for sure it could be had today for a = fraction of what i paid. I got a Digigram VX Pocket card (v2) to use = with it, and although it does have an ASIO driver, I can't seem to get = under 20ms. That's why I'm thinking about going with the RME Multiface = (I get about 6ms latency on my Dell P-IV desktop using the RME = Hammerfall). I really want to trigger Battery on my Laptop via my = Zendrum, but I can't get comfortable triggering drums in real time with = 20ms latency. Anybody else triggering in real time from a PC laptop, and = if so, what sound card solutions are you using and what latency are you = getting? YES...FOR SURE...ALAN IS OUR NEWEST AND HE DID THE ZENDRUM = WEBBPAGE,,,NICE JOB BY THE WAY...SPEAKING OF ...VERY SOON WE WILL HAVE = ...ARE YOU READY??? SOUNDS ONBOARD!!!!!! YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KITS AND UPDATES DIRECTLY FROM THE = WEBBPAGE...WE HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME CUSTOM SAMPLING OF SOME KITS AND I = THINK WE ARE ALSO GOING TO SAMPLE SOME OF MY OWN INSTRUMENTS AS WELL AS = MY KILLER DW SHORTSTACK KIT I JUST GOT LAST FALL. Alan did a phenomenal job on the Zendrum Website, it is one of the = best I've seen. Can't wait to start downloading samples. Are there any updates in the = works at this time? Too bad no DrumCamp with Roy this year. I met him in 1977 (Vic too) when I was living in Newport News VA. Used = to go over to their house for Jams in the garage. He was ('is', I'm = sure) a monster player on 'real' drums too. Vic was about 11 yrs old at = the time, and totally amazing. I remember going to hear them play (the = Wooten Bros) at a high school dance that year, and they tore it up, = playing everything from EWF to RTF, Weather Report and Beyond. KOSA is definitely a great hang. Just be sure to bring a window fan if = you're staying on campus (Castleton State College, in VT), as there is = no AC in the dorm rooms. It be great to see you up there Tom. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C1AB27.007E3570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PERCUSSIVE LOOPERS
 
Subject: PERCUSSIVE = LOOPERS

YOU ARE USING A DELL LAPTOP = RIGHT??

Yea, I got a
Dell Inspiron 7500 Notebook--Pentium III processor with=20 SpeedStepT, 750MHz, 15.4" SXGA  256MB, SDRAM, 1 DIMM, Video=20 Memory: 4MB ATI Mobility-P 3D Video with 2X AGP Primary Hard = Drive:30GB=20 Ultra ATA Hard Drive, Additional Hard Drive: Modular 30GB Ultra = ATA=20 Second Hard Drive.
I bought it in August 2000, so for sure it could be had = today for=20 a fraction of what i paid. I got a Digigram VX Pocket card (v2) to use = with=20 it, and although it does have an ASIO driver, I can't seem to get = under 20ms.=20 That's why I'm thinking about going with the RME Multiface (I get = about 6ms=20 latency on my Dell P-IV desktop using the RME Hammerfall). I really = want to=20 trigger Battery on my Laptop via my Zendrum, but I can't get = comfortable=20 triggering drums in real time with 20ms latency. Anybody else = triggering in=20 real time from a PC laptop, and if so, what sound card solutions are = you using=20 and what latency are you getting?
YES...FOR SURE...ALAN IS OUR NEWEST AND HE DID THE = ZENDRUM=20 WEBBPAGE,,,NICE JOB BY THE WAY...SPEAKING OF ...VERY SOON WE WILL HAVE = ...ARE=20 YOU READY???     SOUNDS ONBOARD!!!!!!
YOU'LL BE = ABLE TO=20 DOWNLOAD KITS AND UPDATES DIRECTLY FROM THE WEBBPAGE...WE HAVE ALREADY = DONE=20 SOME CUSTOM SAMPLING OF SOME KITS AND I THINK WE ARE ALSO GOING TO = SAMPLE SOME=20 OF MY OWN INSTRUMENTS AS WELL AS MY KILLER DW SHORTSTACK KIT I JUST = GOT LAST=20 FALL.
Alan did a phenomenal job on the Zendrum Website, it is = one of=20 the best I've seen.
Can't wait to start = downloading=20 samples. Are there any updates in the works at this=20 time?
 
Too bad no DrumCamp with = Roy this=20 year.
I met him in 1977 (Vic too) = when I was=20 living in Newport News VA. Used to go over to their house for Jams in = the=20 garage. He was ('is', I'm sure) a monster player on 'real' drums too. = Vic was=20 about 11 yrs old at the time, and totally amazing. I remember going to = hear=20 them play (the Wooten Bros) at a high school dance that year, and they = tore it=20 up, playing everything from EWF to RTF, Weather Report and=20 Beyond.
 
KOSA is definitely a great = hang. Just=20 be sure to bring a window fan if you're staying on campus (Castleton = State=20 College, in VT), as there is no AC in the dorm rooms. It be great to = see you=20 up there Tom.

------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C1AB27.007E3570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 13:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21048; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:49:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:49:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c1ab51$3f5dd820$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <001b01c1ab4e$356254c0$d892adcf@musicmahn> Subject: Re: vortex repair Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:49:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if there is any way to replace the encoders with better ones? I think they are custom jobbies tho- but it would be nice to put in sealed 5 zillion rotation rated sooper stiff knobbies. ;) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Zang" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: RE: vortex repair > A couple years ago I sent mine to a local repair shop (synthony in > Phoenix, AZ) for the encoder problem. Came out to $75. Then another time > which didn't require new parts, only $45. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 14:05:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23427; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:04:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011801c1aaf9$35d64ce0$cd62f93f@dnlsh01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:08:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ....to martha steward brass waste baskets.... "Its something I really Treasure" Martha Stewart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 14:21:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24612; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:31:23 -0600 Message-ID: <000901c1ab5f$6acd0b30$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how do you tune that thing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > ....to martha steward brass waste baskets.... > > "Its something I really Treasure" > Martha Stewart > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 14:43:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26556; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:41:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:41:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:45:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: OT: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated.) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, As far as I know the mini gig rigs are like there rack stuff weight-wise compared to the carpet covered, or anvil style. Which is not to say you might be cruising fo a hernia if you filled it completely, maybe just a less severe hernia. I use ultimate support amp stands, the little tripod deals, to angle my 4 space racks back at me ( they would probably hold a 6 or 8 space as well), but I think they might not be enough for your purposes, The gig rig seem like a good step. You might have enough room on the top mixer side to put another one or two racks in with the mixer. I can do this with my skb mixer rack but I'm running the smaller 1402vlz which is shorter than the 1642. My friend Gary Regina uses on of those folding waiter tables for getting his rack up higher. I think he got it from the.. um.. er.. Hyatt hotel in Monterey.. I don't think he paid much for it. I don't know how much weight they will take but he uses a 6 space deep anvil case fully loaded and has never had a problem. Regarding power conditioners: Unless you spend the big bucks for a furman AR117, you probably could find something good and cheap at a computer store. The AR117 has both surge and brown out protection, about a minute of battery back-up if the power goes out and you need to turn everything off, and a voltage meter to tell you whats comming out of the wall. I must say, that my AR117 has been a life saver on a number of occasions where the power source was dubious at best. One gig I did down by the beach (never again), all of our equipment was on the same outlet as the blenders being used by the bartenders, and the sound was brown (and not in a good Eddie Van Halen way) to say the least. The bass player blew his amp but my stuff was ok. Another time I was playing an outdoor festival when the power went out just before the end of our last song. The drummer and I were able to complete the last few bars as everyone else was scratching their heads, thanks to my battery back up. Good luck, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 15:02:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28984; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:01:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c1ab5b$b43c2a20$45954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers / "Bang On A [Garbage} Can" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA28901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick wrote > ....to martha steward brass waste baskets.... to quote the great American composer Lou Harrison: "Automobile brakedrums have changed and are no longer fine bells, and I rue the day when plastics will have swept from the market the fine galvanized iron tubs and garbage pails which are our only commonly available metal drums." Get them now, while supplies last! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 15:05:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29452; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:04:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:04:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:04:12 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e601c1ab5b$9e4ee9f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...The gig rig seem like a good step.... i don't know about the mini GigRig, but i have the full sized skb GigRig and i have to say it is not very well designed. if you don't need it to be rugged it is adequate, but the fasteners are week, and the front and back are held on the z axis only by a single little plastic pin. and the top is only fastened to the sides. the pin on the front broke imediately on mine, leaving the top and front flopping loose. i replaced each pin with two metal studs. it still has the lame fasteners on top, though. otherwise, as far as general construction it is not as solid as my regular 10 space skb rack. if you just want light, which is what i was primarily after, it does the job. but don't let any roadies handle it. and forget about checking it at as luggage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 15:15:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30445; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:14:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:09:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Release spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" CD In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: zvonar@zvonar.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, eventide-users@yahoogroups.com, cecdiscuss@concordia.ca, LAcomposers@yahoogroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" will be reissued on February 5. The disc was originally self-produced and self-promoted last year by member Chris Meyer, and it has been picked up by Valley Entertainment . The CD is in its third week of promotion and is currently in rotation on 44 radio stations. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 15:18:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30884; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT: LA Times article on the "Bridge to Nowhere" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:18:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <00e601c1ab5b$9e4ee9f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all-- There's an article in yesterday's Orange County edition of the LA Times on the "Bridge to Nowhere" as mentioned in the post http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200007/msg00280.html by Steve Goodman Thot it sounded familiar-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 15:55:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01090; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:53:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Percussive Loopers Thread-Index: AcGrYoWb/xkMK55vRKugZmSsNf12BQ== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Alan Barnard" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA00955 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two zendrums!! Wow. I've got a td10 module and a drumkat hooked into a repeater. Also have procussion & lexicon mpx100. I recently picked up a Karma and love it for looping and laying down ambient grooves. But I have the most fun with the repeater and a microphone. I'll lay down drones with voice, kazoo, or my favorite thing - a long plastic tube that I use as a poor man's digereedoo. Regards -Bill NYC -----Original Message----- From: Alan Barnard [mailto:alan@barnardesign.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Percussive Loopers Hi, Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either acoustic or electronic drums/percussion? Here's my set-up: 2/Zendrums ( http://www.zendrum.com ) Alesis DM-Pro Repeater Behringer FCB1010 Alan _________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign http://www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 15:55:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01213; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:54:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:54:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:54:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Percussive Loopers Thread-Index: AcGrYpVMZJ2UaElwQQin7BMqoPQjeA== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Bill Cummings" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA01027 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Finally a guy with more edrum stuff than me! I've been having a problem with my MPX100 and TD10. I have it connected to an effects send on my Mackie. When I add reverb to the TD10 channel, there's a noticeable phase cancellation in the snare drum freqs. It's really annoying and happens even if the MPX100 is set to 100% dry. I don't think it's how I have things wired since I used to use a midiverb in the same manner with no problems. And if I connect the TD10 directly through the Lexicon, it sounds great however there's a slight latency that's really distracting. I'll start playing a beat and find myself actually slowing down. I guess there's just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100. I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Cummings [mailto:billcumm@sprynet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). I do have a fairly nice array though: v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & DJX IIB, Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, Ashley 8 channel line mixer, Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 16:02:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03259; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:01:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:01:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000901c1ab5f$6acd0b30$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:00:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 21:00:26.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[78E685D0:01C1AB63] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > how do you tune that thing? > Don't they come pre-tuned from the factory? :> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William R. Walker," > To: > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > > > > ....to martha steward brass waste baskets.... > > > > "Its something I really Treasure" > > Martha Stewart > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 16:04:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03688; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:03:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:14:18 -0600 Message-ID: <004d01c1ab6d$cb4b76f0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: Release spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" CD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I bought this CD pretty recently (on a recommendation from www.sonikmatter.com). I really like it. Nice Work there Dr. Richard. (BTW, what are you a Dr. of... loopology?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Release spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" CD > Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" > will be reissued on February 5. > > The disc was originally self-produced and self-promoted last year by > member Chris Meyer, and it has been picked up by Valley Entertainment > . > > The CD is in its third week of promotion and is currently in rotation > on 44 radio stations. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 16:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04314; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:12:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:12:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:23:40 -0600 Message-ID: <008101c1ab6f$1a5433d0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: "Wolf, Bill" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fow about the Boss VF1 24-bit AD and DA conversion The VF1 24-Bit Multiple Effects Processor is Boss's most powerful effects unit in history, offering reverb, delay, chorus, guitar and COSM-based effects derived from Roland's breakthrough VG8 V-Guitar System, V-Studio workstations, DJ/Groove gear, and legendary Boss effects gear. Another suggestion would be a Line 6 POD. Has a nice reverb and a shitload of other FX too. I've never noticed that problem with my MPX-100. DId you call Lexicon to ask what it might be related to? BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Bill Cummings" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers Finally a guy with more edrum stuff than me! I've been having a problem with my MPX100 and TD10. I have it connected to an effects send on my Mackie. When I add reverb to the TD10 channel, there's a noticeable phase cancellation in the snare drum freqs. It's really annoying and happens even if the MPX100 is set to 100% dry. I don't think it's how I have things wired since I used to use a midiverb in the same manner with no problems. And if I connect the TD10 directly through the Lexicon, it sounds great however there's a slight latency that's really distracting. I'll start playing a beat and find myself actually slowing down. I guess there's just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100. I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Cummings [mailto:billcumm@sprynet.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). I do have a fairly nice array though: v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami RS7000 K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami DJX & DJX IIB, Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ Killer & Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, DBX SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, Lexicon MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line Mixer, Ashley 8 channel line mixer, Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, (2) Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, Traktor, & Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 16:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04758; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:15:42 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Release spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" CD In-reply-to: <004d01c1ab6d$cb4b76f0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Bill Cummings , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <004d01c1ab6d$cb4b76f0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:14 PM -0600 2/1/02, Bill Cummings wrote: >Hey, I bought this CD pretty recently (on a recommendation from >www.sonikmatter.com). I really like it. Nice Work there Dr. Richard. Thanks! >(BTW, what are you a Dr. of... loopology?) Composition. UCSD in 1982. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 16:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05791; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:35:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:35:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated.) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:34:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 21:34:28.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A1B7130:01C1AB68] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How heavy is the SKB mini-gig? > > I'm trying to figure out how to make my equipment reasonably portable in a > more or less protected fashion. Here are my needs: > > I've got about 10 rack spaces worth of equipment that I'm using -- probably > headed for 11 or 12. Most of it is reasonable shallow with a couple of > annoying exceptions. I'm configuring it all through a Mackie 1642. > > What I've got right now is a 6 space rack crate (essentially a milk crate in > construction) sitting on top of a 12-space Anvil rack on casters. I actually > have almost nothing in the Anvil because I've found it to be really annoying > having controls down by my feet. My MoFX is sitting on a couple of bars on > my A-frame keyboard stand so that it's easy to get to from my Handsonic. The > Mackie is also on the keyboard stand. > > Issues that I'd like to resolve: > > * The rack crate is fine at home, but I probably should be cautious about > taking it anywhere. > At home, I used to have my gear on a shelf, racked just using rack rails, without anything else. It worked fine, and allowed easy access to everything. > * I don't have anything for packing up the Mackie. > > * Whatever I go with, I need a reasonable way to make the controls on most > of the rack items and on the mixer accessible while seated. > > * I want equipment that I can move without killing my back or having a > heightened risk of dropping due to weight. > > If I got a mini-gig could I leave the mixer fully connected to the items in > the rack? I'm sure you could. >Would the unit be reasonably portable when loaded? Reasonably? Come on - we aren't talking about a 'reasonable' amount of gear here :> Some people on this list are making the analog modular and grand piano players look bad. Seriously though. My mini rig is about as much as I can lift. I definitely can't carry it - getting it in and out of the car is quite a bit of work. Two people can handle it no problem, but you'll need to roll it around. >Are there > recommendations for what I could set it on to get it situated at a > reasonable height? I'm still working this one out myself. > > The other option I've been considering (based on suggestions from the list) > is a could smaller racks sitting on amp stands so that they tilt back for > better visibility. I'd have to come up with something on which to put the > mixer, however. Perhaps a good table that could also hold picks, E-Bow, > etc.? If I go the amp stand route, does anyone have specific > recommendations? Do I need to worry about having something with a wide > enough back bar so that it actually extends over the width of the rack unit? > The big sell for me about the 'one large box' thing is that when I go out to play, I have to cable - one instrument cable - one power supply - one pair of line outs, or a cable snake - the snake to the footpedals I don't have to worry about two or more sets of rackmounts interfacing with eachother. >...The gig rig seem like a good step.... >i don't know about the mini GigRig, but i have the full sized skb GigRig >and i have to say it is not very well designed. >if you don't need it to be rugged it is adequate, but >the fasteners are week, and the front and back are held on the z axis >only by a single little plastic pin. and the top is only fastened to the sides. >the pin on the front broke imediately on mine, leaving the top and front flopping loose. >i replaced each pin with two metal studs. it still has the lame fasteners on top, though. > I agree - the fasteners are very flimsy. I have a full gig rig for my day job, and I've blown 2 of them already. I'm quite a bit more careful with the one at home now - I don't expect the box to outlast my use of the equipment inside it. Still, it's unfortunately the only game in town - there aren't any other solutions in this format as far as I could find. It's also very light - a wooden case would be prohibitively heavy, especially since I've modified mine with a set rack rails in the back of the unit as well as the front and top. I had to use a Saw-all to do that. Overall, I'm happy with mine, though I wouldn't give it to someone else to carry, or dream of putting it on a plane :> On the topic of rack building, I've found something that you guys might find useful - 6" power cords. SF guys: they sell them for $3 at the SBC computer warehouse at the corner of Lawrence and Central expressways. The ones I got have fully rotating plugs, so you can attach them at any angle. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any 1 foot ones, which would have been a more ideal length for racking. bIz bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 16:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06626; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: Re: Release spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" CD Message-Id: <01020232.49433@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:43:59 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Richard Zvonar >>(BTW, what are you a Dr. of... loopology?) > >Composition. UCSD in 1982. Did Soul Murder employ any looping? I, too, have the Alias Zone disc, and enjoy it very much. It got played quite a lot when i first acquired it, and still visits the CD player with some frequency. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 16:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07667; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:51:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 21:51:22.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[967704B0:01C1AB6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anybody out there doing any *real-time* looping with either acoustic or >electronic drums/percussion? I thought I'd add myself to the percussive looper mix. I loop acoustic drums only using a repeater and an EDP. Most of my playing has been with a simple bass/snare/hi-hat combo. I usually like to add djembe, tamborine, shaker, and/or bells. I have a 1402 mixer and a few SM57's and a SM82 (?) for the bass drum. I'm considering adding some gating techniques to keep the monitored loops from bleeding into the overdub. The repeater is on alt3-4 bus, while the EDP is on aux1. They both return to channels. So I always keep the channels "muted" (sent to aux3-4) since the repeater passes through signal anyway. I make extensive use of the solo button to "audition" loops over my headphones and to keep a tempo going in the headphones. My final looped result goes out into a single mackie SRM-450, which I love to death. I also have a mo-fx and filter-fx unit from electrix. I find myself experimenting with the effects units quite a bit, especially on "vocal" loops (I try to de-emphasize my completely shitty vocal ability...). Instead of going for extremely wide variety of sounds, I am focusing on the ability of looping to recreate some rediculous polyrythms, as well as interlocking two independant rhythms. I especially like to start with a simple hi-hat rhythm on track one of the repeater. Then play some ryhthm on track two for a while. Then turn off track two and create a new rhythm on track 3 that I think will interlock nicely without listening to track two. Then when I fade in track two, its a pleasant/unpleasant surprise. All I can really say about this is that it has really lead to some incredible improvements in my time! The repeater has also allowed me to experiment somewhat with what I call "rhythm series." This is a rhythm that can fit with a copy of itself at a different speed (say at half the speed). Imagine then that you could have 4 copies running at 1/4 speed, 1/2 speed, full speed, and 2x speed: COOL! A great challenge is to try and create something that sounds good with itself at 1/3 tempo! I am sure this is old hat, but one of my favorite things to do is to set the EDP to echo mode with an echo length of 1.5 beats (or any other number really) and just "jam" with what's coming out of my monitor speaker! I enjoyed learning about everyone else's aproach to percussive looping. Jon _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 17:11:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10105; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:09:05 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: stevesandberg@earthlink.net, SNAXPAB@aol.com, Mohanan@aol.com X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: the hall of mirrors X-Sender-Ip: 216.194.2.235 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok loopies, this is a synthesis of ideas: working on putting together a proposal. but the money situation is tight, so if anyone knows of any software development contract work, or multimedia installation work, i'd be into it, and it'd help me progress in my work. my portfolio is at http://www.geocities.com/jipekau so here it is: ** the hall of mirrors: ***draft ideas -provides a common language for improvisers playing together - improvising not only the tones that make up phrases, but also improvising the way phrases make up the structure of the piece HOW - phrases that are improvised from tones are themselves tones that can be played [drummed/danced/triggered] into larger phrases. - any phrase that is played by an improviser becomes a tone in all the improvisers' palettes. - once a phrase is recorded and becomes a tone, it is not necessarily static. improvisers can evolve existing phrases (much like the way echoplex users overdub into existing loops, or the way keyboards multisample tones). only, if other phrases are build from those phrases, they automatically evolve. this is the hall of mirrors, where improvisers working together mirror each other's sound and use (abuse) it to create new ends. sound exciting? key issues: what user interfaces can be used to capture and retrigger phrases? how do different musicians expose and work with the common language to build and dissolve spontaneous structure? ideas: pad triggers on floor for dancers that first record and then retrigger phrases. force on pad affects amplitude of phrases. keyboard interface for pianists, velocity affects amplitude of phrases. how does the expressiveness of the improviser get translated when playing phrases? ideas: if phrases are not thought of as static recordings of audio, but rather as clusters of musical events, then the key to musical expressiveness when triggering phrases is the way the user interface transforms the events in a phrase. this transformation must be intuitive (playable) and fluid for the musician, yet definable in bitwise logic for the computer. it is in this limbo that we seek to explore. *** i would love: to collaborate working under the model of (free software) grant money would be great other work (see above) so i can get fed and pay rent NYC collaborators especially thanks for your ears- -yon Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 17:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10666; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e601c1ab5b$9e4ee9f0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:49:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: OT: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>...The gig rig seem like a good step.... > >i don't know about the mini GigRig, but i have the full sized skb GigRig >and i have to say it is not very well designed. >if you don't need it to be rugged it is adequate, but >the fasteners are week, and the front and back are held on the z axis >only by a single little plastic pin. and the top is only fastened to the >sides. >the pin on the front broke imediately on mine, leaving the top and front >flopping loose. >i replaced each pin with two metal studs. it still has the lame fasteners >on top, though. Thanks for the report -- I have the GigRig -- my fantasy has been to roll it up onto small risers and part it there, to get the optimum height for access to my Mackie (top) and the various units on the front. ... but in real life, it's a piece of furniture, sitting about five feet from where I type this. As such, it does very well. But now I know to watch out for those fasteners, if/when I take it anywhere. Here's a concern: Cabling. I get the feeling that maybe a dozen pounds of the unit's mass is from too-long cables. Does anybody custom-cut cables to spec? Besides the length issue, I'd love cables with straight plugs on one end and right-angle plugs on the other, so I could leave things plugged into the Mackie when the top of the box was on. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 17:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11383; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: midgard.darkcanvas.com: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:18:29 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: Reply-To: cc: Subject: Re: OT: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, just john wrote: > Here's a concern: Cabling. I get the feeling that maybe a dozen pounds of > the unit's mass is from too-long cables. Does anybody custom-cut cables to > spec? Besides the length issue, I'd love cables with straight plugs on one > end and right-angle plugs on the other, so I could leave things plugged > into the Mackie when the top of the box was on. George Ls. Any length, different tips, and lightweight anyway. Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 18:22:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17096; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:21:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:21:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020201232126.84775.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:21:26 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: OT: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish George L provided balanced cables & connectors. stephen --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, just john wrote: > > > Here's a concern: Cabling. > George Ls. Any length, different tips, and > lightweight anyway. > > Steve Burnett > burnett@pobox.com > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 19:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21080; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:19:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:19:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:23:03 -0800 Subject: EV-5 as a feedback pedals From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to Looper's Delight, a Roland EV-5 will work as a feedback pedal for the EDP with the caveat that the polarity is inverted from what one might expect. I just tried plugging in an EV-5 and it seems to be forcing feedback to zero. Is there some issue that I'm missing? Do I need to do something to compensate for the EV-5 having a stereo connection? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 19:43:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22724; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.27.85] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 00:42:07 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2002 00:42:07.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[7129FD80:01C1AB82] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any >suggestions? ...try the TC M-One. Really blows away the MPX100 (and the 200 and 500 for that matter. GC was recently blowing them out for under $400. Impressive box with GREAT verbs (and a bunch o' other cool stuff too) Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 1 21:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31717; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:30:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Qua and Vishara Veda" To: Subject: top tools =? Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:28:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1AB4E.3B3655E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1AB4E.3B3655E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just joined. I'm interested in knowing if there is a general concensus on which are the top 1-3 rated looping devices regardless of price, and also if there are one or two that are considered best bang for the buck. 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"soul murder" (1982/83) used tape loops and regenerating tape delay as part of a battery of editing and processing techniques. The sound sources were about 50/50 analog electronic (Buchla 200 series) and processed voice and breath sounds. The processing consisted of tape speed manipulation, analog gating, filtering, frequency shifting (AM), tape delay, and a digital playback hack. The latter technique was performed on the VAX computer at CARL. Gareth Loy had developed a utility program called "sfplay" that allowed you to step through short segments of a sound file in order to aurally find edit points. I simply pushed this technique to its limits by incrementally stepping through a short vocal recording and stretching it to about a minute in length. There were also a number of choreographed movement sequences that used repetitive actions, as well as some projected images derived from concrete poetry concepts. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 00:21:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12502; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1aba9$5d529340$1864f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200202012215.RAA10965@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Martha Stewart waste basket percussion instrument Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:20:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Cummings wrote about my mention of the Martha Stewart brass waste paper basket (made to look like and enormous thimble, btw :-): "how do you tune that thing?" I hold the open end of the waste basket against my chest pinned there by my forearms. Then I play the edge of the bottom with my third finger of my right hand to create the ersatz 'tek' sound. I then play the middle of the bottom with my 1st, 2nd and 3rd fingers together to create the ersatz 'dum' sound.The middle of the drum is much thinner metal and, hence, has a lower pitch. The whole time I support the base of the drum with the thumb of my right hand and the thumb and pinky finger of my left hand which leave my 2nd finger free to mute or change the pressure (pitch) of the thin metal. I can really control the envelope of the harmonics this way and I have several pitch bend techniques up or down controlled by the pressure of the 2nd finger. Additional, I can rotate the drum off of my chest keeping one side of the open end balanced on my chest to create radial phasing effects akin to the upwardly pitch bending bass technique on Bayan in Tabla playing. Then, to top it all off, I can flip the drum so I balance the base on my left palm and it has a beautiful bass gong note that lasts quite a long time. Using pitch shifting footpedals and my DL4, this becomes a phenomenally expressive and musical instrument; like a cross between a brass gong and a metal tabla. It is the best $20 I ever spent on a percussion instrument (unless, of course, you include the $25 I spent at Cost Plus for my Liquid Glass Ghatam----but that's another story altogether). The cool thing is everyone of these waste baskets (which are still available for $20 a K-Marts, although disappearing rapidly, has a completely different pitch. I use two of them in performance. They fit exactly inside each other and there is room for me to throw my gas stove, poor person's overtone pipe inside them Too cool. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 03:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26732; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c1ab92$c41b6870$1df8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: top tools =? Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:38:53 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Hi, I just joined. I'm interested in knowing if there is a general concensus on which are the top 1-3 rated looping devices regardless of price, and also if there are one or two that are considered best bang for the buck. (stereo or 2-channel mono is a plus for me)." best units, in my opinion: echoplex digital pro (under a grand) eventide orville (big bucks) electrix repeater (also under a grand) more affordable alternatives: akai headrush (cheap and limited) boomerang (not as cheap and not as limited) boss looper (in between, cost-wise) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 06:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05315; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:30:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:30:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.231.128.13] From: "James Binnie" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Need AKAI Headrush Schematics Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:29:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2002 11:29:31.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2097530:01C1ABDC] Resent-Message-ID: <4cIAzC.A.FSB.628W8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, I am looking for schematics for the AKAI Headrush E1... If anybody has these schematics or knows where I can get them please let me know..... I need to do repairs badly.... Thanks, James _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 11:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22598; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:58:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAjv7T1oOOfRc1B91kCw8z2rUP0gwCFQCs/cedxGVfPF1KlPex3vV9AA7EkQ== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:57:21 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Martha Stewart waste basket percussion instrument Message-ID: <25487-3C5C1A71-398@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" 's message of Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:20:42 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <03RAcC.A.egF.2pBX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, so you meen you dont have to tune it. Its already tuned when you buy it. Bill/ lv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 12:00:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24080; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:59:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:59:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020201230052.006cf790@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:00:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lexicon LXP 15 At 03:54 PM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >Finally a guy with more edrum stuff than me! > >I've been having a problem with my MPX100 and TD10. I have it connected >to an effects send on my Mackie. When I add reverb to the TD10 channel, >there's a noticeable phase cancellation in the snare drum freqs. It's >really annoying and happens even if the MPX100 is set to 100% dry. I >don't think it's how I have things wired since I used to use a midiverb >in the same manner with no problems. > >And if I connect the TD10 directly through the Lexicon, it sounds great >however there's a slight latency that's really distracting. I'll start >playing a beat and find myself actually slowing down. I guess there's >just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100. > >I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any >suggestions? > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Cummings [mailto:billcumm@sprynet.com] >Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:09 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Percussive Loopers > >yea, wish I had bought a wavedrum way back when (they were available). > >I do have a fairly nice array though: >v-drums, dm-pro, drumKat, Handsonic, Zendrum, (3) ASRX samplers, Yami >RS7000 >K5000, Fizmo, Yami P200, Yami TX81Z, Obie Matrix 1K, Alesis QSR, Yami >DJX & >DJX IIB, >Electrix (Repeater, MoFX, Filter Factory, Warp Factory), Electrix (EQ >Killer >& Filter Queen), Alesis Air FX, >Big Briar Moogerfooger MF 102 ring Modulator, Mutron III, POD, Bass Pod, >DBX >SUb Harmonic Synthesizer, Aphex aural exciter, BBE SOnic Maximizer, >Lexicon >MPX 100, Drawmer Stereo Compressor/Limiter >PreSonus MP20, Behringer HA4400 HeadphoneAmp, Rolls RM203 Stereo Line >Mixer, >Ashley 8 channel line mixer, >Behringer MX2642A Eurorack Mixer , Alesis Studio 12R 12-channel mixer, >(2) >Behringer 48 point patchbays, (2) Mackier SRM450s, (2) Mackie SRS1500A >Powered 15 Subwoofers, (2) JBL EON 15P, miscellaneous other harware. > >What I've really been digging lately is all the cool softSYNTHs and >Samplers: Battery, V-Sampler, Sample Tank, REAKTOR (a fave), TC Works >Mercury-1, rgcAudio PENTAGON, CrusherX, Abelton LIVE, Pro-52, FM-7, >Traktor, >& Spektral Delay. Running these on either my Dell Laptop PIII 800, or my >Dell desktop PIV 1.9. AWESOME stuff. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 13:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27988; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:04:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:04:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:03:38 -0800 Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re:_top_tools_=3D=3F?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00bf01c1ab92$c41b6870$1df8c440@g0wn7> Message-Id: <2EB2F9E8-1807-11D6-B377-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the sky was the limit, and 2 channel or stereo was the way to go for you, two synched EDPs are probably the KING. be prepared to drop about $1500 for that setup. The Repeater is natively quadraphonic and goes for $500 or so. Tack on another $80 for 128 meg of memory (you know you want it) and a couple of hundred for a midi control pedal (or do what I did and cheap out with a $30 FS300 three function footswitch) and you're styl'n Mark Sottilaro On Friday, February 1, 2002, at 06:38 PM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > "Hi, I just joined. I'm interested in knowing if there is a general > concensus on which are the top 1-3 rated looping devices regardless of > price, and also if there are one or two that are considered best bang > for > the buck. (stereo or 2-channel mono is a plus for me)." > > best units, in my opinion: > > echoplex digital pro (under a grand) > eventide orville (big bucks) > electrix repeater (also under a grand) > > more affordable alternatives: > > akai headrush (cheap and limited) > boomerang (not as cheap and not as limited) > boss looper (in between, cost-wise) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 13:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29537; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAi3z8uOZFAcnVD8RYCeY/zzvUbCUCFHhruW1Gvfci9IsmEQ2aaVnMY5w+ From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:42:59 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Where? Message-ID: <7745-3C5C3333-1766@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "William R. Walker," 's message of Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:13:09 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <6RIUND.A.1MH.1MDX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can I get a copy of David Torn's, Forever Sharp and Vivid. Also David I was listening to the remix, Outer Blue on the live Upper Extremities, what did you use on the drum sequence's? Thats a killer tune. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 14:02:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31964; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:01:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:01:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: EV-5 as a feedback pedals Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c1ac1b$cb274f10$2d66e43f@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2002 19:00:00.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[D099CF40:01C1AC1B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The ev-5 (and it's volume sibling's fv50-l and -h) have a minimum volume knob on the side. Make sure it's set to 0. I was just using the ev-5 last night and it worked fine. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:23 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: EV-5 as a feedback pedals According to Looper's Delight, a Roland EV-5 will work as a feedback pedal for the EDP with the caveat that the polarity is inverted from what one might expect. I just tried plugging in an EV-5 and it seems to be forcing feedback to zero. Is there some issue that I'm missing? Do I need to do something to compensate for the EV-5 having a stereo connection? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 14:40:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02003; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:39:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:39:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:38:15 EST Subject: Re: Where? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes: >Where can I get a copy of David Torn's, Forever Sharp and Vivid. although that is clearly not *my* recording -(i was a sideman/last minute collaborator)-, i do believe that it's commercially available; it's on cuneiform records. >Also David I was listening to the remix, Outer Blue on the live Upper >Extremities, what did you use on the drum sequence's? if i remember correctly, i used various samples of bill bruford (from various BLUE-performances), sliced-'n'-diced --- add'ly, there *may* have been licensed samples of siggi baldurrson in there, as well, similarly sliced-'n'-diced. >Thats a killer tune. thanks! best, dt / smushyspilt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 14:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02807; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:52:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:52:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020202144332.00a97ec0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:46:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Where? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0nbIK.A.dr.VNEX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:38 PM 2/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net writes: > > >Where can I get a copy of David Torn's, Forever Sharp and Vivid. >although that is clearly not *my* recording -(i was a sideman/last minute >collaborator)-, i do believe that it's commercially available; >it's on cuneiform records. I got one a couple of months ago from Guitar9 According to their site, they've got six copies left... -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 15:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04870; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:08:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <11b.b05f3e4.298da12d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:08:13 EST Subject: Re: Where? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/2/02 11:52:05 AM, tnelson@metrocast.net writes: >...David Torn's, Forever Sharp and Vivid. A thoroughly delightful disc IMOHO. Get a copy if you can. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 17:35:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17601; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:33:38 -0500 Subject: kurzweil ksp8 experience? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody using one of these? sounds on their website are nice, but i'd like some hands-on advice. thanks. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 18:43:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23742; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:42:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:42:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: "Jehn" Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 15:41:40 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, stevesandberg@earthlink.net X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: the hall of mirrors X-Sender-Ip: 216.194.20.214 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:41:14 Jehn wrote: >Dear Jan, > >But then, is it improvisation? what a nice question, thank you. here's my crack at it: is it improvisation when a DJ works a crowd, building off the energy and bringing in certain tracks, like a mage casting just the right spell for the moment? is it improvisation when thelonius monk plays on a roland p90 digital piano with multi-sampled piano samples? is it improvisation when philip glass directs a live orchestra playing repetetive phrases with hand signals? is it improvisation when 3 year old pamela doodles on the toy telephone? or when beatboxer quadraceptor spits sounds with saliva? is it improvisation when we get up in the morning to 'do yoga', or 'have a bowl of muesli' or 'check email'? is it improvisation when we walk down 59th street and lexington to pick up a trilogy of Dr. Who episodes from the video store? ithe universe improvises itself rhythms. this is the heart beat. there is a communication which is both cyclic and spontaneous. rhythm implies pattern, implies repetition, yet improvisation implies fluidity, implies of-this-moment-only. but really it is neither. it only seems paradoxical because our idea of time is fucked up. 'There was this moment when we believe! that we are dreaming. like children at odds with a world all grown up. Whisked away on gentle, clumsy horses excited to tell, but it cannot be told. Past, present, future, i read it in a book, it does not matter, they are one and the same. Riding to the circle to tell, but it cannot be told.' making me realize, yon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jan Pek" >To: >Cc: ; ; >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:09 PM >Subject: the hall of mirrors > > >> ok loopies, this is a synthesis of ideas: working on putting together a >proposal. >> >> but the money situation is tight, so if anyone knows of any software >development contract work, or multimedia installation work, i'd be into it, >and it'd help me progress in my work. my portfolio is at >http://www.geocities.com/jipekau >> >> so here it is: >> >> ** the hall of mirrors: ***draft ideas >> >> -provides a common language for improvisers playing together >> - improvising not only the tones that make up phrases, >> but also improvising the way phrases make up the structure of the piece Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 20:17:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31608; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:16:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:16:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c1ad4b$e3176c00$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: Re: Need AKAI Headrush Schematics Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:16:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6P_Y2D.A.LtH.X9IX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry i can't help you with the schematics, can you tell us what happened the poor thing. I'm sad and deeply hurt that one of our little guys is sick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Binnie" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 3:29 AM Subject: Need AKAI Headrush Schematics > folks, > I am looking for schematics for the AKAI Headrush E1... If anybody has > these schematics or knows where I can get them please let me know..... I > need to do repairs badly.... > > Thanks, > James > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 2 23:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11463; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:47:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:47:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.00317394733429.332.129797458649@1.00006719871775> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 23:38:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: nycgig: Wed Feb 6:Ken's Last Ever Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza wed. feb. 6 @ about 8pm until perhaps 10pm first in a wednesday night experimental music series at chama, 332 e. 4 st. betw. c&d, east village, nyc a new coffeehouse who will extract 5 dollars from attendees for their own indeterminate uses go? experience the mutual terror that is the unplanned live sonic excursion no? listen to older stuff free online in bland anonymous privacy: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ reply if you will lend portable recording device to the archiving cause or bring interesting implements of sound - ken ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ wed 2/6 8pm 332 e4 (c&d) nyc $5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 09:22:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12191; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:21:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:24:33 +0100 Subject: Re: moog pedals? From: charmah tiego To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020128221245.9677.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out Frostwave products, and maybe technosaurus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 10:57:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16660; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:56:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: EV-5 as a feedback pedals Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:55:24 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c1accb$315b9a70$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000f01c1ac1b$cb274f10$2d66e43f@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about the fv50-l and fv50-h? Steve > > The ev-5 (and it's volume sibling's fv50-l and -h) have a > minimum volume knob on the side. Make sure it's set to 0. > > I was just using the ev-5 last night and it worked fine. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:23 PM > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: EV-5 as a feedback pedals > > > According to Looper's Delight, a Roland EV-5 will work as a > feedback pedal for the EDP with the caveat that the polarity > is inverted from what one might expect. I just tried plugging > in an EV-5 and it seems to be forcing feedback to zero. Is > there some issue that I'm missing? Do I need to do something > to compensate for the EV-5 having a stereo connection? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 11:25:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18940; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:24:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:24:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: aldo.depalma@libero.it Reply-To: To: "loopers" Subject: how to upgrade the EDP ? Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:19:24 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got an old version of EDP (LD 3.3.2) and I would like to know how to upgrade it from Italy Aldo ps. hopine that this eamail won't be rejected by server..once again ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 12:02:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21889; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:02:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:02:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PDS 8K question Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:02:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <16XQ1L-1ndr60C@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I use my trusty Digitech PDS 8000 Echo Plus delay still for every gig I play but I'd really love to have a reverse delay option in it. Is there a way to modify this unit? Is the schematic available? Thanks, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 13:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26859; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:31:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:34:45 -0800 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: more Lexicon Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01e101c1ace1$75d99f60$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, it does ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr monk" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: more Lexicon Vortex > does anyone know if the vortex uses the same power supply as the other rack > stuff of that era (jamman. reflex, alex...) > > > thanks. > > > > monk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 15:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01318; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:23:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:23:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c1acf1$28269ec0$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: portable dat recorder Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:27:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to buy a portable dat recorder. My budget is limited to 700$. What are the options? How good is Sony's M1? Thanks. Erdem H. erdemhel@turk.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 15:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02533; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:50:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:50:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5DA23C.4289B5A@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:49:01 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: talking about Mr. Torn CDs (but nonetheless off topic) References: <200202031625.LAA19120@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4CpeID.A.Pn.QKaX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dear eople I would need some advice My idea is to get afew CDs I can't find in France like this Forever sharp and vivid thingie, but as well, splattercell CDs, the last Mick Karn the last Tony Levin. I found them one by one on different places, but for an obvious reason of shipping fees, I'd like to bepointed to an online (or not) place that would allow me to buy all these in one go... By the way what is th ebest price for a repeater? (here at best it is about $850) any idea ? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 17:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08333; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:04:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5DB608.F7E171DA@ripco.com> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:13:35 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: another Chicago loop gig spam References: <200201292328.SAA08852@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6II3aB.A.4BC.WPbX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Looper's, If you're in Chicago, here's some performances and a radio broadcast.... Best regards, Eric -- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Sunday, Feb. 3 at 10pm, live on "Something Else," WLUW 88.7 FM, Chicago Performing on Springboard and electronics with Jason Soliday on computer. Hosted by Philip von Zweck. This broadcast can also be heard via streaming audio. Link via http://www.wluw.org/. Thursday, Feb. 7, 10pm at the Fireside Bowl, Chicago. Performing on Springboard and electronics with Nick Sondy, bass and electronics. Also performing, Douser. The evening is hosted by Thax Douglas and is a CD release party for his latest entitled, "Produced by Steve Albini." Thursday, Feb. 21, Opening of Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave., Chicago. For more info call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 18:15:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13152; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:14:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:14:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: moog pedals? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:18:26 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2002 23:13:06.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[56633390:01C1AD08] Resent-Message-ID: <3Y9NQ.A.rKD.lQcX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must admit I nearly have the whole Frostwave catalogue :-D For classic analogue style, ya can't beat it although I LOVE my Electro Harmonix Bass Micro Synth!! Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ----- Original Message ----- From: "charmah tiego" To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: moog pedals? > Check out Frostwave products, and maybe technosaurus > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 19:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17268; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:07:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:07:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:07:27 -0500 Subject: eventide dsp sound samples? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody got some samples of any of the eventide units in action or know where i might be able to locate some? thanks -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 20:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20720; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c1ad15$85f048c0$6187abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide dsp sound samples? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 01:47:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <55jvBD.A.kDF.78dX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anybody got some samples of any of the eventide units > in action or know where i might be able to locate > some? > > thanks > > -jim This is the place have fun, luca http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 3 22:22:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28808; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:21:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:21:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:20:48 EST Subject: Re: eventide dsp sound samples? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. If you like, you can ask the question of the Eventide list. There are a lot of very helpful people on the list. Italo, who is the Eventide list moderator, is also on LoopersDelight. The Eventide list is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventide-users. Take care, Marc In a message dated 2/3/02 7:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net writes: > anybody got some samples of any of the eventide units > in action or know where i might be able to locate > some? > > thanks > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 02:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12727; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:43:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: aldo.depalma@libero.it Reply-To: To: "loopers" Subject: EDP and Jamman are compatible Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got an EDP, (I'm a guitarist),and the percussionist I play with would like to buy a Jam man. Since I don't know the jamman, I would like to know if can be syncrhronized with the Echoplex. Aldo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 02:55:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13321; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:54:25 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_dsp_sound_samples=3F?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.22.236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA13229 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Marc. But the correct address of the Eventide official Customeres Support and Forum is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ there we have on line vocal/text/video conference for Support, on line real time classes on Eventide topics, tutorial documents, patch exchange, MP3s of Eventide UltraHarmonizers (often looping....) and more. best regards Italo De Angelis > Hello. If you like, you can ask the question of the Eventide list . There > are a lot of very helpful people on the list. Italo, who is the Eventi de list > moderator, is also on LoopersDelight. The Eventide list is: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventide-users. > Take care, Marc > > In a message dated 2/3/02 7:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net writes: > > > anybody got some samples of any of the eventide units > > in action or know where i might be able to locate > > some? > > > > thanks > > > > -jim > > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 09:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07641; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:12:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: eventide general question Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:11:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2002 14:11:11.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCA64970:01C1AD85] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of eventides. when you do sample or loop on the unit can you post process the sample within the unit. ie pitch shift, verb etc thanks LOU >From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: eventide dsp sound samples? >Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:07:27 -0500 > >anybody got some samples of any of the eventide units >in action or know where i might be able to locate >some? > >thanks > >-jim > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 09:25:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08669; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: top tools =? Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:23:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2002 14:23:29.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[848E8F10:01C1AD87] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Has anyone on the list played with the new digitech gnx3 with the jamman and 8 track recorder. I just ordered one, I couldn't resist! Any thoughts! weg From: "Jimmy Fowler" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: top tools =? Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:38:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE24F054009B40043164CFE4EE090F020; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 00:37:50 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26693;Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:37:36 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat, 02 Feb 2002 00:39:08 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:37:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c1ab92$c41b6870$1df8c440@g0wn7> References: Organization: Prodigy Internet X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Hi, I just joined. I'm interested in knowing if there is a general concensus on which are the top 1-3 rated looping devices regardless of price, and also if there are one or two that are considered best bang for the buck. (stereo or 2-channel mono is a plus for me)." best units, in my opinion: echoplex digital pro (under a grand) eventide orville (big bucks) electrix repeater (also under a grand) more affordable alternatives: akai headrush (cheap and limited) boomerang (not as cheap and not as limited) boss looper (in between, cost-wise) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 09:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09508; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fa01c1ad88$b0050100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: top tools =? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Along with the other fine loopers that have been mentioned (EDP, Repeater, Eventide Orville, etc.), you should look at a Kyma system http://www.symbolicsound.com/ ). Unlike the other devices, the Kyma system requires a computer to be connected to its hardware accellerator box. The box, whose latest version is called a Capybara-320, features 4 or 8 inputs and outputs (digital or analog); 4 to 28 DSPs; a MIDI interface; and a computer interface. The main distinguishing feature of Kyma is probably its extreme flexibility. You can set-up about any kind of signal processing algorithm with it. Like the Eventide units, looping is a small subset of it's functionality. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 10:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13419; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:11:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:11:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01fa01c1ad88$b0050100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <01fa01c1ad88$b0050100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:10:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: For sale: Mesa Boogie 50-50, 2 Marshall cabs 1960A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Time for british sound. I'm going to drive my Soldano preamps into a couple of Vox AC30 (i'm actually looking for a good pair of them). So, i'm selling these pieces of gear: MesaBoogie 50-50 stereo power amp. Needs tubes replacement. 2 Marshall cabinets 1960A: price changes as conditions to too. I'm from Italy. Please reply me off-list if interested. Thanks, Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 11:40:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20927; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:39:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:39:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:38:08 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_general_question?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.2.157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA20847 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lou on an Orville or DSP7500 you have 4m20sec delay/sampling time. On a DSP7000 86 sec. delay, NO sampling. In all 3 units you can PRE & POST process loops. Algorithms can be freely built by the user, thanks to an open programming platform. For instance, Orville is a 2 dsp unit, equivalent to a dsp7000 + a dsp7500; on it you can program big patches with internal preamp, looping, reverse looping, sampling, real time editing of samples, harmonizing, verbs, eq, chorus/delay/flanger/phasepanning, synths. etc. Many more "outside" fx are possible on the machines. Eventide freeware VSIGFILE for a windows pc allows the user to build patches and save them; even send/get them on the internet as mail attachments. Orville is an audio QUAD unit, w/8 ins-8 outs, half of them analog, half digital. Routing allows "anything to anything" connections. The units are 24bit/up to 96KHz sampling. Real time Midi control works perfectly. Anybody willing to know more on these superior platforms can download manuals at: http://www.eventide.com/admin/manuals.htm and even download VSIGFILE Editor and an ORVILLE or DSP7000/7500 database to try the system out on his/her computer. Get it at: http://www.eventide.com/vsigfile/index.html every sound designer, looper, experimenter should seriously consider an Eventide UltraHarmonizer from DSP7000/7500 series, ORVILLE or ECLIPSE. Orville is still unsurpassed in its quality, versatility and features. It's the most powerful hardware FX processor on the market today. More info is available from "Eventide Helps" at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ best regards Italo De Angelis > speaking of eventides. when you do sample or loop on the unit can you post > process the sample within the unit. ie pitch shift, verb etc > thanks > LOU > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 13:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31928; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021801c1ada5$de633fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide general question Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's the most powerful hardware FX processor on the market today. [ :) I fear we trend on sacred ground here. At the danger of discussing religious issues, I'll continue carefully... ] I suppose it depends on what "most powerful hardware FX processor" means. Let's look at the Eventide Orville, the Symbolic Sound Kyma, and the Sony DRE-S777. In raw processor power, clearly a Kyma system is tops with 28 DSPs versus 2 on the Orville. On the other hand, the Eventide units can function standalone while Kyma requires an attached computer. And Eventide's pitch-shifting algorithms are highly optimized. The same pitch-shifting functions on Kyma consume more processor power, due somewhat to the more general architecture. Then there's the DRE-S777. It does reverb modelling based on near realtime convolution. This feat is unequaled by *any* other device that I know of. Perhaps that makes it "most powerful hardware FX processor"? Some ways, it's like discussing what's the most powerful fastest car or biggest truck,etc. While it's a interesting question, I'm not sure how useful it is. After all, the artist needs the tool that works best for him or her. If I really need a bicycle (perhaps a really good bicycle), the fastest car won't do at all. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 13:11:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00406; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C5ECDB9.68C1F181@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:06:49 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Racking References: <200202012215.RAA10965@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes - short cords are nice. I use Volex Powerbrite cords from Newark Electronics in my rack. I have a catalog here with shielded power supply cables in 12", 18", and 24" lengths, and they come in pink, green, yellow, red, and black, either with a straight or a 90 degree IEC end. There are also unshielded versions, in 18", 24", and 36" lengths. Some of the options appear in a search of the Newark website: http://www.newark.com/psearch/searchResults.jsp?action=1&First=0&NPart=&MPart=&APart=&MName=&KWord=powerbrite&advancedSearch.x=0&advancedSearch.y=0 Newark also sells a 24" version of the cable that Jonathan refers to. Enjoy! -Hans > > Subject: Re: Racking again (was Re: biz's signal path was Re: Space Station - long, and complicated.) > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:34:27 -0800 > From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > To: > > On the topic of rack building, I've found something that you guys might find > useful - 6" power cords. SF guys: they sell them for $3 at the SBC computer > warehouse at the corner of Lawrence and Central expressways. The ones I got > have fully rotating plugs, so you can attach them at any angle. > Unfortunately, I couldn't find any 1 foot ones, which would have been a more > ideal length for racking. > > bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 13:21:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01717; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022501c1ada8$82313b20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200202012215.RAA10965@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C5ECDB9.68C1F181@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Racking Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:19:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <7n2xS.A.KZ.aDtX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Colored cords are nice! For the budget minded, I recommend talking to any business that uses a lot of desktop computers. More than likely, they have a number of cords for discarded computers that you can have for free. It's sort of like asking the butcher shop for bones! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 14:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07123; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:03:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:03:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:02:42 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_general_question?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.1.208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA07031 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis I said "the most powerful *hardware* fx processor"! That leaves the Kyma out of the ground. I am referring to dedicated units, no external software, no computers. Said that, "most powerful" means objective datas; it means: -variety of possible fx that can be built -open structure versus closed one -quality of sound without compromise Orville has a growing library of 220 audio, math and control modules that can be patched together to make up structures. Power means how big of structure can fit in one preset and how goo it sounds. As of today there is still no processor capable of doing what Orville does in one preset. Orville can run TWO presets at the same time. There is no Sony, Kurzweil, Lexi or TC that allows the user to do what an Orville does, with such a freedom and quality. Probably reading it's manual would give you a clear picture of it. I read all those companies manuals...still not there. I also read Kyma BOOK but..."hardware" is the field of my statement. greetings Italo De Angelis > > It's the most powerful hardware FX processor on the market today. > > [ :) I fear we trend on sacred ground here. At the danger of discuss ing > religious issues, I'll continue carefully... ] > > I suppose it depends on what "most powerful hardware FX processor" mea ns. > Let's look at the Eventide Orville, the Symbolic Sound Kyma, and the S ony > DRE- S777. In raw processor power, clearly a Kyma system is tops with 28 DSPs > versus 2 on the Orville. On the other hand, the Eventide units can fu nction > standalone while Kyma requires an attached computer. And Eventide's > pitch-shifting algorithms are highly optimized. The same pitch- shifting > functions on Kyma consume more processor power, due somewhat to the mo re > general architecture. > > Then there's the DRE- S777. It does reverb modelling based on near realtime > convolution. This feat is unequaled by *any* other device that I know of. > Perhaps that makes it "most powerful hardware FX processor"? > > Some ways, it's like discussing what's the most powerful fastest car o r > biggest truck,etc. While it's a interesting question, I'm not sure ho w > useful it is. After all, the artist needs the tool that works best fo r him > or her. If I really need a bicycle (perhaps a really good bicycle), t he > fastest car won't do at all. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 14:11:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08187; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:10:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:10:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:08:04 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: eventide general question In-reply-to: <021801c1ada5$de633fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1199272716==_ma============" References: <021801c1ada5$de633fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1199272716==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:00 PM -0500 2/4/02, Dennis Leas wrote: >I suppose it depends on what "most powerful hardware FX processor" means. Apples and oranges. We're in the realm of marketing-speak. If the goal is to be strictly accurate then we have to be rigorous in our comparisons AND our vocabulary. >In raw processor power, clearly a Kyma system is tops with 28 DSPs >versus 2 on the Orville. Although just the number of DSPs isn't an accurate metric in many cases (the chips' capabilities may vary) in this case you're probably right. The Capybara 320 uses 80 MHz Motorola DSP-56309 DSPs; a fully-loaded system is rated at 4.48 billion operations per second (BIPS or GIPS). Eventide uses a mixed bag of both Motorola and proprietary chips, but I believe they're using two 56303s (roughly equivalent to the 56309). >On the other hand, the Eventide units can function standalone while >Kyma requires an attached computer. That would probably make it the "most powerful standalone hardware FX processor." >Then there's the DRE-S777. It does reverb modelling based on near realtime >convolution. This feat is unequaled by *any* other device that I know of. >Perhaps that makes it "most powerful hardware FX processor"? That would probably make it the "most powerful convolution-based hardware reverberation processor." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1199272716==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: eventide general question
At 1:00 PM -0500 2/4/02, Dennis Leas wrote:

I suppose it depends on what "most powerful hardware FX processor" means.

Apples and oranges. We're in the realm of marketing-speak. If the goal is to be strictly accurate then we have to be rigorous in our comparisons AND our vocabulary.

In raw processor power, clearly a Kyma system is tops with 28 DSPs versus 2 on the Orville. 

Although just the number of DSPs isn't an accurate metric in many cases (the chips' capabilities may vary) in this case you're probably right. The Capybara 320 uses 80 MHz Motorola DSP-56309 DSPs; a fully-loaded system is rated at 4.48 billion operations per second (BIPS or GIPS). Eventide uses a mixed bag of both Motorola and proprietary chips, but I believe they're using two 56303s (roughly equivalent to the 56309).


On the other hand, the Eventide units can function standalone while Kyma requires an attached computer. 

That would probably make it the "most powerful standalone hardware FX processor."


Then there's the DRE-S777.  It does reverb modelling based on near realtime
convolution.  This feat is unequaled by *any* other device that I know of.
Perhaps that makes it "most powerful hardware FX processor"?

That would probably make it the "most powerful convolution-based hardware reverberation processor."
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--============_-1199272716==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 15:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19555; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:51:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <021801c1ada5$de633fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: My looper's bigger than your looper Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:50:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1AD7A.8A7A70E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2002 20:50:37.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[993F6F20:01C1ADBD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1AD7A.8A7A70E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: eventide general questionLadies and Gentlemen, >I< am the most powerful hardware FX processor known to man, until = the againinator is re-released at Winter Namm '02 bIz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: eventide general question At 1:00 PM -0500 2/4/02, Dennis Leas wrote: I suppose it depends on what "most powerful hardware FX processor" = means. Apples and oranges. We're in the realm of marketing-speak. If the goal = is to be strictly accurate then we have to be rigorous in our = comparisons AND our vocabulary. In raw processor power, clearly a Kyma system is tops with 28 DSPs = versus 2 on the Orville.=20 Although just the number of DSPs isn't an accurate metric in many = cases (the chips' capabilities may vary) in this case you're probably = right. The Capybara 320 uses 80 MHz Motorola DSP-56309 DSPs; a = fully-loaded system is rated at 4.48 billion operations per second (BIPS = or GIPS). Eventide uses a mixed bag of both Motorola and proprietary = chips, but I believe they're using two 56303s (roughly equivalent to the = 56309). On the other hand, the Eventide units can function standalone while = Kyma requires an attached computer.=20 That would probably make it the "most powerful standalone hardware FX = processor." Then there's the DRE-S777. It does reverb modelling based on near = realtime convolution. This feat is unequaled by *any* other device that I = know of. Perhaps that makes it "most powerful hardware FX processor"? That would probably make it the "most powerful convolution-based = hardware reverberation processor." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=3Drz ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1AD7A.8A7A70E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: eventide general question
Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
    >I< am the = most powerful=20 hardware FX processor known to man, until the againinator is re-released = at=20 Winter Namm '02
 
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard = Zvonar=20
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Subject: Re: eventide general=20 question

At 1:00 PM -0500 2/4/02, Dennis Leas wrote:

I suppose it depends on what = "most=20 powerful hardware FX processor" means.

Apples and oranges. We're in the realm of marketing-speak. If = the=20 goal is to be strictly accurate then we have to be rigorous in our = comparisons=20 AND our vocabulary.

In raw processor power, = clearly a Kyma=20 system is tops with 28 DSPs versus 2 on the = Orville. 

Although just the number of DSPs isn't an accurate metric in = many=20 cases (the chips' capabilities may vary) in this case you're probably = right.=20 The Capybara 320 uses 80 MHz Motorola DSP-56309 DSPs; a fully-loaded = system is=20 rated at 4.48 billion operations per second (BIPS or GIPS). Eventide = uses a=20 mixed bag of both Motorola and proprietary chips, but I believe = they're using=20 two 56303s (roughly equivalent to the 56309).


On the other hand, the = Eventide units=20 can function standalone while Kyma requires an attached=20 computer. 

That would probably make it the "most powerful standalone = hardware FX=20 processor."


Then there's the = DRE-S777.  It does=20 reverb modelling based on near realtime
convolution.  This = feat is=20 unequaled by *any* other device that I know of.
Perhaps that makes it "most = powerful=20 hardware FX processor"?

That would probably make it the "most powerful = convolution-based=20 hardware reverberation processor."
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1AD7A.8A7A70E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21594; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:00:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:00:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024001c1adbe$cfadcd30$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: eventide general question Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:59:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Italo! I wasn't clear on what you meant. Thank for clarifying it! I have read the Orville Operation and Programming manuals. It's a very impressive tool! I hope to get one eventually, but I have a number of items ahead of it in my priorities. Do they offer an SDK for folks who want to write DSP code? I didn't find too much info regarding that topic. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:08:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22148; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:07:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:07:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:06:24 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_eventide_general_question?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.1.208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA22067 Resent-Message-ID: <_pbGOB.A.IZF.zfvX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Dennis Eventide gives its freeware VSIG to program the unit. Unfortunately it doesn't get down to DSP code level. Still it's a pretty deep tool. all the best Italo > Hi Italo! > > I wasn't clear on what you meant. Thank for clarifying it! > > I have read the Orville Operation and Programming manuals. It's a ver y > impressive tool! I hope to get one eventually, but I have a number of items > ahead of it in my priorities. > > Do they offer an SDK for folks who want to write DSP code? I didn't f ind > too much info regarding that topic. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23051; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:17:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:17:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024a01c1adc1$4c769de0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <021801c1ada5$de633fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: eventide general question Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:17:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: eventide general questionHi Richard! >> I suppose it depends on what "most powerful hardware FX processor" means. > > Apples and oranges. We're in the realm of marketing-speak. If the > goal is to be strictly accurate then we have to be rigorous in our > comparisons AND our vocabulary. Agreed! And the common vocabulary changes. For example, "hardware" used to mean "no computer". Now it means "no computer interface", i.e., it doesn't look like a Mac/Windows/Linux/etc screen. These days, virtually every "hardware looper" contains a computer. >> In raw processor power, clearly a Kyma system is tops with 28 DSPs versus 2 on the Orville. >> > > Although just the number of DSPs isn't an accurate metric in many > cases (the chips' capabilities may vary) in this case you're probably right. > The Capybara 320 uses 80 MHz Motorola DSP-56309 DSPs; a fully-loaded > system is rated at 4.48 billion operations per second (BIPS or GIPS). Eventide > uses a mixed bag of both Motorola and proprietary chips, but I believe they're > using two 56303s (roughly equivalent to the 56309). Yes, that's my understanding too. I'm not sure what the proprietary chip do. >> On the other hand, the Eventide units can function standalone while Kyma requires an attached computer. >> > > That would probably make it the "most powerful standalone hardware FX processor." Yep! >> Then there's the DRE-S777. It does reverb modelling based on near realtime >> convolution. This feat is unequaled by *any* other device that I know of. >> Perhaps that makes it "most powerful hardware FX processor"? >> > > That would probably make it the "most powerful convolution-based hardware reverberation processor." 2 X Yep! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23763; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:22:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025501c1adc1$f4f42960$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <021801c1ada5$de633fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: My looper's bigger than your looper Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:21:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0252_01C1AD98.0BEEACF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0252_01C1AD98.0BEEACF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: eventide general question(...when guys talk hardware...) 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(...when guys talk hardware...)
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0252_01C1AD98.0BEEACF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:29:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24667; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020204212753.79783.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: My looper's bigger than your looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <025501c1adc1$f4f42960$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-1XsF.A.r_F.azvX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope you guys were wearing pocket protectors! John --- Dennis Leas wrote: > Re: eventide general question(...when guys talk > hardware...) > > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25226; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:32:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:32:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E650140379105B@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:31:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <2S_shC.A.eIG.e2vX8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, so the gamut goes (limited to devices concentrating on reverb): $199 Lexicon MPX100 $269 Roland SRV3030D $299 Lexicon MPX200 $349 t.c. electronic M-One $399 Yamaha REV500 $399 Lexicon MPX500 $699 Lexicon MPX1 $749 t.c. electronic M2000 Too expensive: Lexicon PCM-91 t.c. electronic M3000 Many others I'm sure I've not listed. I'm really in the market for a decent reverb. Well, perhaps not in the market. I *need* one, but I don't necessarily want to buy one. But what are you going to do? I've got an MPX-100 that I just don't like. Plus, there's the on-board effects from my Yamaha 01V, supposedly comparable to the REV500, but still, I don't really, really enjoy them, either. I'd really like to spend less than $400, but could increase if the body of evidence points solidly in that direction. Any opinions from the lurking gear hoarders present? This is basically the same question as asked below, with only minor revision towards specificity. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 1:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers Lexicon LXP 15 At 03:54 PM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >Finally a guy with more edrum stuff than me! > >I've been having a problem with my MPX100 and TD10. I have it connected >to an effects send on my Mackie. When I add reverb to the TD10 channel, >there's a noticeable phase cancellation in the snare drum freqs. It's >really annoying and happens even if the MPX100 is set to 100% dry. I >don't think it's how I have things wired since I used to use a midiverb >in the same manner with no problems. > >And if I connect the TD10 directly through the Lexicon, it sounds great >however there's a slight latency that's really distracting. I'll start >playing a beat and find myself actually slowing down. I guess there's >just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100. > >I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any >suggestions? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26002; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:37:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:37:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1adc4$29f06460$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E650140379105B@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:37:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The M-One is great- if you can afford the M2000 I would do that- I compared the M-One to Wave's best soft verb and they were about equal- the M-One was better than all the other software verbs in the test including TC- I was surprised- also the M-One is very easy to navigate and program- I was surprised at NAMM to find the similarly designed D-Two had no Exit key- what a pain- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) > OK, so the gamut goes (limited to devices concentrating on reverb): > > $199 Lexicon MPX100 > $269 Roland SRV3030D > $299 Lexicon MPX200 > $349 t.c. electronic M-One > $399 Yamaha REV500 > $399 Lexicon MPX500 > $699 Lexicon MPX1 > $749 t.c. electronic M2000 > > Too expensive: > Lexicon PCM-91 > t.c. electronic M3000 > > Many others I'm sure I've not listed. > > I'm really in the market for a decent reverb. Well, perhaps not in the > market. I *need* one, but I don't necessarily want to buy one. But what > are you going to do? I've got an MPX-100 that I just don't like. Plus, > there's the on-board effects from my Yamaha 01V, supposedly comparable to > the REV500, but still, I don't really, really enjoy them, either. I'd > really like to spend less than $400, but could increase if the body of > evidence points solidly in that direction. > > Any opinions from the lurking gear hoarders present? This is basically the > same question as asked below, with only minor revision towards specificity. > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 1:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers > > Lexicon LXP 15 > > > At 03:54 PM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Finally a guy with more edrum stuff than me! > > > >I've been having a problem with my MPX100 and TD10. I have it connected > >to an effects send on my Mackie. When I add reverb to the TD10 channel, > >there's a noticeable phase cancellation in the snare drum freqs. It's > >really annoying and happens even if the MPX100 is set to 100% dry. I > >don't think it's how I have things wired since I used to use a midiverb > >in the same manner with no problems. > > > >And if I connect the TD10 directly through the Lexicon, it sounds great > >however there's a slight latency that's really distracting. I'll start > >playing a beat and find myself actually slowing down. I guess there's > >just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100. > > > >I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any > >suggestions? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 16:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27550; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:57:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:57:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020204155541.007f7730@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:55:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E650140379105B@s31xe1.systems.sm u.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you'd like the Lexicon LXP 15. My favorite reverb unit. Pretty deep reverb with many ways to tweek. I have 2 of them. Will sell one. Let me know via email. BTW, I think the TC M-One is a good buy for the money. Something about the verbs in the LXP, though. Don't compare it to the MPX-100. Different animal. I had the MPX-100 and dumped it - truly awful, IMO. Michael At 03:31 PM 2/4/02 -0600, you wrote: >OK, so the gamut goes (limited to devices concentrating on reverb): > >$199 Lexicon MPX100 >$269 Roland SRV3030D >$299 Lexicon MPX200 >$349 t.c. electronic M-One >$399 Yamaha REV500 >$399 Lexicon MPX500 >$699 Lexicon MPX1 >$749 t.c. electronic M2000 > >Too expensive: >Lexicon PCM-91 >t.c. electronic M3000 > >Many others I'm sure I've not listed. > >I'm really in the market for a decent reverb. Well, perhaps not in the >market. I *need* one, but I don't necessarily want to buy one. But what >are you going to do? I've got an MPX-100 that I just don't like. Plus, >there's the on-board effects from my Yamaha 01V, supposedly comparable to >the REV500, but still, I don't really, really enjoy them, either. I'd >really like to spend less than $400, but could increase if the body of >evidence points solidly in that direction. > >Any opinions from the lurking gear hoarders present? This is basically the >same question as asked below, with only minor revision towards specificity. > >Lindsay Graham >sonic detritus: >left of eliot >http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 1:01 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers > >Lexicon LXP 15 > > >At 03:54 PM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >>Finally a guy with more edrum stuff than me! >> >>I've been having a problem with my MPX100 and TD10. I have it connected >>to an effects send on my Mackie. When I add reverb to the TD10 channel, >>there's a noticeable phase cancellation in the snare drum freqs. It's >>really annoying and happens even if the MPX100 is set to 100% dry. I >>don't think it's how I have things wired since I used to use a midiverb >>in the same manner with no problems. >> >>And if I connect the TD10 directly through the Lexicon, it sounds great >>however there's a slight latency that's really distracting. I'll start >>playing a beat and find myself actually slowing down. I guess there's >>just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100. >> >>I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any >>suggestions? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 17:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00745; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:37:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:37:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:36:02 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 29 2001) Message-Id: <20020204223603.TDUZ7443.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I kinda agree with your assessment of the TC Electronics M-One. I sold it after a short period of time. I don't think it sounded all that good (at least to my ears). I have an Alesis Quadraverb II that I still like actually. It recently started glitching so I have to have a tech check it out. I was wondering, though, what the newer Alesis higher-end (if I can qualify it that way) sounds. Anyone? Regards, Paul > OK, so the gamut goes (limited to devices concentrating on reverb): > > $199 Lexicon MPX100 > $269 Roland SRV3030D > $299 Lexicon MPX200 > $349 t.c. electronic M-One > $399 Yamaha REV500 > $399 Lexicon MPX500 > $699 Lexicon MPX1 > $749 t.c. electronic M2000 > > Too expensive: > Lexicon PCM-91 > t.c. electronic M3000 > > Many others I'm sure I've not listed. > > I'm really in the market for a decent reverb. Well, perhaps not in the > market. I *need* one, but I don't necessarily want to buy one. But what > are you going to do? I've got an MPX-100 that I just don't like. Plus, > there's the on-board effects from my Yamaha 01V, supposedly comparable to > the REV500, but still, I don't really, really enjoy them, either. I'd > really like to spend less than $400, but could increase if the body of > evidence points solidly in that direction. > > Any opinions from the lurking gear hoarders present? This is basically the > same question as asked below, with only minor revision towards specificity. > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 1:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Percussive Loopers > > Lexicon LXP 15 > > > At 03:54 PM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Finally a guy with more edrum stuff than me! > > > >I've been having a problem with my MPX100 and TD10. I have it connected > >to an effects send on my Mackie. When I add reverb to the TD10 channel, > >there's a noticeable phase cancellation in the snare drum freqs. It's > >really annoying and happens even if the MPX100 is set to 100% dry. I > >don't think it's how I have things wired since I used to use a midiverb > >in the same manner with no problems. > > > >And if I connect the TD10 directly through the Lexicon, it sounds great > >however there's a slight latency that's really distracting. I'll start > >playing a beat and find myself actually slowing down. I guess there's > >just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100. > > > >I'd love to find a good under $400 reverb to replace the MPX100. Any > >suggestions? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 18:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08329; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRvdafd48fB8rNqLNqK/bNn3BZ70wIUbkQ1pjgNFXRJCei52NyQvIjrIJ0= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:39:49 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My looper's bigger than your looper Message-ID: <439-3C5F1BC5-717@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Jonathan El-Bizri" 's message of Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:50:36 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kinda like the old Tim Allen "tool time" skit. HAHAHAHOHOHO. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 18:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09124; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:46:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:46:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c1add5$a67e0300$ad095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #254 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:42:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #254 January 31, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. A master of drones, Mathias is a prolific creator of ambient music from his studio in Germany. The Featured CD at midnight was "The Fragrance of Eternal Roses" on the Arya label. The vinyl show starter was an LP of artists on the Ohr label called "Kosmische Musik." I played the music of Orbital Decay who will play at the Ice House in Bethlehem on February 16. Mathias Grassow http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#jan Orbital Decay http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Popol Vuh] In Den Garten Pharaos Kosmische Musik (Ohr) Orbital Decay exerpt from the 12-27-01 EMUSIC live broadcast Spacecraft Earthtime Tapestry Earthtime Tapestray (Lektronic Soundscapes) Steve Roach Indigo Yearning Core (Timeroom Editions) Larry Gaab Instinct The Sacred & the Profane (Morphosis Music) Craig Padilla Melting Galaxies * Folding Space and Melting Galaxies (Space for Music) 12:00 am Mathias Grassow Through the Void TFoER (Arya) Mathias Grassow Twilight Garden TFoER (Arya) Mathias Grassow From Behind the Shadows TFoER (Arya) Mathias Grassow Sohan TFoER (Arya) Mathias Grassow TFoER TFoER (Arya) Mathias Grassow Evening Afterglow TFoER (Arya) 1:00 am Robert Carty Electric Blood Source (Deep Sky) Mason Stevens Primal Awakening Luna Waves (Space for Music) Nebula Drone Most Colorful Bubbles A Long Fade into Virtual Light of Mud (Space for Music) VA [Tony Gerber] Jurassic Rain Soundscape Gallery Vol 1 (Lektronic Soundscapes) VA [Steve Roach] This and the Other Soundscape Gallery Vol 1 (Lektronic Soundscapes) 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Keller, Schonwalder and Friends. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Annazaal Tapes" by Broekhuis, Keller, Schonwalder, and Friends on the Manikin label. The Manikin label will be celebrating its tenth birthday with the Manikin Marathon, a 36 hour concert to be held in early April. Next week's vinyl show starter will be "Pinnacles" by Edgar Froese. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 19:40:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15513; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:39:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:39:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020205003909.97055.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:39:09 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be looking for a verb soon too, trying to get in the $300-$400 range. I've thought either the MPX200 or Digitech S-200, which seems pretty similar. Any experience with the Digi box vs. the others? One thing which looked interesting is that the Lexicon and Digi verbs include a compressor. How does this compare to a dedicated compressor(or no compressor)? Incidentally this is for hand drums and didgeridoo. I have a Nanoverb now, so I don't want another cheapie toy, but I'm not a professional either, and it was some else who had the unlimited budget. Yours in rhythm, Steve Original Message ----- From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) > OK, so the gamut goes (limited to devices concentrating on reverb): > > $199 Lexicon MPX100 > $269 Roland SRV3030D > $299 Lexicon MPX200 > $349 t.c. electronic M-One > $399 Yamaha REV500 > $399 Lexicon MPX500 > $699 Lexicon MPX1 > $749 t.c. electronic M2000 > > Too expensive: > Lexicon PCM-91 > Many others I'm sure I've not listed. > > I'm really in the market for a decent reverb. Well, perhaps not in the > market. I *need* one, but I don't necessarily want to buy one. But what > are you going to do? I've got an MPX-100 that I just don't like. Plus, > there's the on-board effects from my Yamaha 01V, supposedly comparable to > the REV500, but still, I don't really, really enjoy them, either. I'd > really like to spend less than $400, but could increase if the body of > evidence points solidly in that direction. > > Any opinions from the lurking gear hoarders present? This is basically the > same question as asked below, with only minor revision towards specificity. > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 20:20:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21120; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:20:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:20:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Live Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:10:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live looks very cool. The current Keyboard Mag review whet my interest. There's a good review and Quicktime movie at: http://www.midiman.net/products/software/ableton/index.php Mac users have their long-awaited answer to (PC Only) Acid and then some... This thing looks killer, and for $239, affordable. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 4 22:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00964; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:10:04 -0800 Subject: Re: My looper's bigger than your looper From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3095694604_88490_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <_-xEcD.A.NO.O00X8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3095694604_88490_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/4/02 12:50 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri at ssrndpty@hotmail.com wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, >I< am the most powerful hardware FX processor known to man, until the againinator is re-released at Winter Namm '02 bIz Actually Jon, I took the liberty of extracting the DNA from a few of the hairs you left behind the last time we jammed, and I believe some of the genes did get into the current design of the Againinator. Sorry. That'll show you for not copyrighting your genetic structure. Mark --MS_Mac_OE_3095694604_88490_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: My looper's bigger than your looper on 2/4/02 12:50 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri at ssrndpty@hotmail.com wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen,
   >I< am the most = powerful hardware FX processor known to man, until the againinator is re-rel= eased at Winter Namm '02
bIz
Actually Jon, I took the liberty of extracting the DNA from a few of the ha= irs you left behind the last time we jammed, and I believe some of the genes= did get into the current design of the Againinator.  Sorry.  That= 'll show you for not copyrighting your genetic structure.

Mark
--MS_Mac_OE_3095694604_88490_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 02:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24097; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:28:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:28:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.84138a7.2990e356@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:27:18 EST Subject: Anyone looking for a Vortex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. I know that there are many fans of the Lexicon Vortex. I was looking thru the used gear at Big City Music, and came across three Vortex's for sale. Lexicon Vortex $269.00 Lexicon Vortex $339.00 Lexicon Vortex $239.00 Here's the URL: http://bigcitymusic.com/dept.asp?cat=vintage&idp=7 Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 02:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26474; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:55:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:55:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a Vortex? From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15e.84138a7.2990e356@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's actually really pricey. I got mine at Daddy's Junky Music for $199 a year ago. Mark on 2/4/02 11:27 PM, RandomLFO@aol.com at RandomLFO@aol.com wrote: > Hello. I know that there are many fans of the Lexicon Vortex. I was > looking thru the used gear at Big City Music, and came across three Vortex's > for sale. > Lexicon Vortex $269.00 > Lexicon Vortex $339.00 > Lexicon Vortex $239.00 > Here's the URL: http://bigcitymusic.com/dept.asp?cat=vintage&idp=7 > Marc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 05:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08566; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:23:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:23:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1ae2f$a0d20960$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <15e.84138a7.2990e356@aol.com> Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a Vortex? Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:26:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got mine a few years back for like $125- those prices seem a bit high- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: Anyone looking for a Vortex? > Hello. I know that there are many fans of the Lexicon Vortex. I was > looking thru the used gear at Big City Music, and came across three Vortex's > for sale. > Lexicon Vortex $269.00 > Lexicon Vortex $339.00 > Lexicon Vortex $239.00 > Here's the URL: http://bigcitymusic.com/dept.asp?cat=vintage&idp=7 > Marc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 07:15:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17433; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:14:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:14:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c1ae3e$894cc640$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <021801c1ada5$de633fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: My looper's bigger than your looper Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:13:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1AE14.9FF99F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1AE14.9FF99F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: eventide general questionWinter Namm '02 happened last month. dB ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan El-Bizri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: My looper's bigger than your looper Ladies and Gentlemen, >I< am the most powerful hardware FX processor known to man, until = the againinator is re-released at Winter Namm '02 bIz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Zvonar=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: eventide general question At 1:00 PM -0500 2/4/02, Dennis Leas wrote: I suppose it depends on what "most powerful hardware FX processor" = means. Apples and oranges. We're in the realm of marketing-speak. If the = goal is to be strictly accurate then we have to be rigorous in our = comparisons AND our vocabulary. In raw processor power, clearly a Kyma system is tops with 28 DSPs = versus 2 on the Orville.=20 Although just the number of DSPs isn't an accurate metric in many = cases (the chips' capabilities may vary) in this case you're probably = right. The Capybara 320 uses 80 MHz Motorola DSP-56309 DSPs; a = fully-loaded system is rated at 4.48 billion operations per second (BIPS = or GIPS). Eventide uses a mixed bag of both Motorola and proprietary = chips, but I believe they're using two 56303s (roughly equivalent to the = 56309). On the other hand, the Eventide units can function standalone = while Kyma requires an attached computer.=20 That would probably make it the "most powerful standalone hardware = FX processor." Then there's the DRE-S777. It does reverb modelling based on near = realtime convolution. This feat is unequaled by *any* other device that I = know of. Perhaps that makes it "most powerful hardware FX processor"? That would probably make it the "most powerful convolution-based = hardware reverberation processor." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=3Drz ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1AE14.9FF99F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: eventide general question
Winter Namm '02 happened last = month.
 
dB
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan=20 El-Bizri
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 = 3:50=20 PM
Subject: My looper's bigger = than your=20 looper

Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
    >I< am the = most powerful=20 hardware FX processor known to man, until the againinator is = re-released at=20 Winter Namm '02
 
bIz
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Zvonar
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 04, = 2002 11:08=20 AM
Subject: Re: eventide general = question

At 1:00 PM -0500 2/4/02, Dennis Leas wrote:

I suppose it depends on what = "most=20 powerful hardware FX processor" means.

Apples and oranges. We're in the realm of marketing-speak. = If the=20 goal is to be strictly accurate then we have to be rigorous in our=20 comparisons AND our vocabulary.

In raw processor power, = clearly a Kyma=20 system is tops with 28 DSPs versus 2 on the = Orville. 

Although just the number of DSPs isn't an accurate metric = in many=20 cases (the chips' capabilities may vary) in this case you're = probably right.=20 The Capybara 320 uses 80 MHz Motorola DSP-56309 DSPs; a fully-loaded = system=20 is rated at 4.48 billion operations per second (BIPS or GIPS). = Eventide uses=20 a mixed bag of both Motorola and proprietary chips, but I believe = they're=20 using two 56303s (roughly equivalent to the 56309).


On the other hand, the = Eventide units=20 can function standalone while Kyma requires an attached=20 computer. 

That would probably make it the "most powerful standalone = hardware=20 FX processor."


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That would probably make it the "most powerful = convolution-based=20 hardware reverberation processor."
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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1AE14.9FF99F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 08:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22373; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:41:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:41:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:21:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a Vortex? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c1ae2f$a0d20960$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i bought one a couple of days ago for $150 and they have been on ebay for $200 consistently. i think there is one there now for $199... on 2/5/02 5:26 AM, Om_Audio at clifsound@mediaone.net wrote: > I got mine a few years back for like $125- those prices seem a bit high- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:27 PM > Subject: Anyone looking for a Vortex? > > >> Hello. I know that there are many fans of the Lexicon Vortex. I was >> looking thru the used gear at Big City Music, and came across three > Vortex's >> for sale. >> Lexicon Vortex $269.00 >> Lexicon Vortex $339.00 >> Lexicon Vortex $239.00 >> Here's the URL: http://bigcitymusic.com/dept.asp?cat=vintage&idp=7 >> Marc >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 09:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30187; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.152] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a Vortex & Jamman? Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:36:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 14:36:18.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[793014B0:01C1AE52] Resent-Message-ID: <2NWD9D.A.dVH.B4-X8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, along with most hardware the vortex & jamman prices are starting to drop. I saw the jamman w/ 32 sec for sale for $450 here in NYC. Last year I sold mine for $750 & then got the EDP. Cheers LOU >From: mr monk >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a Vortex? >Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:21:24 -0500 > >i bought one a couple of days ago for $150 and they have been on ebay for >$200 consistently. i think there is one there now for $199... > > > > > >on 2/5/02 5:26 AM, Om_Audio at clifsound@mediaone.net wrote: > > > I got mine a few years back for like $125- those prices seem a bit high- > > > > Cliff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:27 PM > > Subject: Anyone looking for a Vortex? > > > > > >> Hello. I know that there are many fans of the Lexicon Vortex. I was > >> looking thru the used gear at Big City Music, and came across three > > Vortex's > >> for sale. > >> Lexicon Vortex $269.00 > >> Lexicon Vortex $339.00 > >> Lexicon Vortex $239.00 > >> Here's the URL: http://bigcitymusic.com/dept.asp?cat=vintage&idp=7 > >> Marc > >> > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 09:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32365; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:52:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:52:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200202051452.g15Eq1u23600@chmls05.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:51:17 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: FWD: re[2]: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA32241 Resent-Message-ID: <5nBeq.A.E4H.iG_X8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: re[2]: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) i recently got a fostex de-1. it's not a pcm 70, but it is 1/2 rack space, it's cheap (i got mine on ebay for $60), and it lacks some of the charictoristic sound of the cheaper alesis boxes. 4 ins, 2 outs (either 2 mono in stereo out, or stereo in stereo out). i haven't seen anything i like better for less than 3-4 hundred. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 10:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03409; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:09:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:09:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Tue, 5 Feb 02 09:33:38 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:08:45 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA03297 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EH Holy Grail has gotten good to lukewarm reviews on Harmony Central. Does anyone here have direct experience with one? <> -K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 15:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06322; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:00:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: re[2]: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:59:15 -0600 Message-ID: <00f401c1ae7f$96b860f0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200202051452.g15Eq1u23600@chmls05.mediaone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7gwyP.A.OiB.9mDY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about that new PicoVerb coming out from Alesis for $99. I believe it is supposed to be 1/4 rack space and 24bit. Steve > > > RE: re[2]: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) > > i recently got a fostex de-1. it's not a pcm 70, but it is > 1/2 rack space, it's cheap (i got mine on ebay for $60), and > it lacks some of the charictoristic sound of the cheaper > alesis boxes. 4 ins, 2 outs (either 2 mono in stereo out, or > stereo in stereo out). i haven't seen anything i like better > for less than 3-4 hundred. > > deknow > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 16:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15764; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:45:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:45:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <18.19b91096.2991ac23@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:44:03 EST Subject: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA15548 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, okay, okay. Probably nobody is interested anymore. However, I finally got a few lines of print in Cadence magazine and I'm not unaccountably pleased with that (despite the fact that what they wrote is smallish and contains a sort of "backhanded compliment" at the end). I almost didn't send them a CD in the belief that what I do really wouldn't be "avant-garde" enough for them anyway. Sounds like they'd agree -- but give me points for "enthusiasm" anywho (which is totally fine by me). Brief blurbette to follow: +++++++++++++++++++ Jason Bivens, Cadence Magazine, February 2002 "Ted Killian plays solo guitar on "Flux Aeterna" but the sound is rich and full owing to his generous use of delay devices and effects pedals. This music . . . is atmospheric in the extreme, filled with ethereality and almost psychedelic textures. Killian has clearly listened to players like Christy Doran, Loren Mazzacane Connors, Steve Tibbetts, Robert Fripp and Terje Rypdal - that list should give you a good idea of where he's coming from. He loves searing guitar improvs over various backdrops. With a white hot tone – super trebly and always threatening to spill over into raw feedback – Killian alternates between Hendrixian fantasies and paranoid digital sounds, with occasional high lonesome plucking. He might not be up to anything original but I found it hard to deny Killian's energy and exuberance." +++++++++++++++++++ Hmmmm...while I don't happen to know much of anything about Christy Doran or Loren Mazzacane Connors, they're pretty spot on with the other 3. Anybody wanna fill me in on Doran and Connors before I go looking them up on the web? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 16:55:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16916; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:55:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:55:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c1ae8f$a5d46100$2201a8c0@urso> From: "Daniel Pezzotti" To: References: <18.19b91096.2991ac23@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:54:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.christydoran.ch/ has more infos....... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors) Okay, okay, okay. Probably nobody is interested anymore. However, I finally got a few lines of print in Cadence magazine and I'm not unaccountably pleased with that (despite the fact that what they wrote is smallish and contains a sort of "backhanded compliment" at the end). I almost didn't send them a CD in the belief that what I do really wouldn't be "avant-garde" enough for them anyway. Sounds like they'd agree -- but give me points for "enthusiasm" anywho (which is totally fine by me). Brief blurbette to follow: +++++++++++++++++++ Jason Bivens, Cadence Magazine, February 2002 "Ted Killian plays solo guitar on "Flux Aeterna" but the sound is rich and full owing to his generous use of delay devices and effects pedals. This music . . . is atmospheric in the extreme, filled with ethereality and almost psychedelic textures. Killian has clearly listened to players like Christy Doran, Loren Mazzacane Connors, Steve Tibbetts, Robert Fripp and Terje Rypdal - that list should give you a good idea of where he's coming from. He loves searing guitar improvs over various backdrops. With a white hot tone – super trebly and always threatening to spill over into raw feedback – Killian alternates between Hendrixian fantasies and paranoid digital sounds, with occasional high lonesome plucking. He might not be up to anything original but I found it hard to deny Killian's energy and exuberance." +++++++++++++++++++ Hmmmm...while I don't happen to know much of anything about Christy Doran or Loren Mazzacane Connors, they're pretty spot on with the other 3. Anybody wanna fill me in on Doran and Connors before I go looking them up on the web? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 17:00:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16734; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A06@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:52:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AE8F.6B9C0D30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AE8F.6B9C0D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" well, you should look 'em up on the web. i think doran is pretty good. only checked out connors once and he wasn't my cup o' tea. stig p.s. better than some reviews i've read from cadence! Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AE8F.6B9C0D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" RE: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors)

well, you should look 'em up on the web.

i think doran is pretty good.

only checked out connors once and he wasn't my cup o' tea.

stig

p.s. better than some reviews i've read from cadence!




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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AE8F.6B9C0D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 17:27:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20024; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:11:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:11:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.26.21] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:09:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 22:09:47.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2C102C0:01C1AE91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright, Ted! > >Probably nobody is interested anymore. Wrong! always am interested when looper's get some credit and recognition! Don"t know those others either, but to mentioned on the same sentence as Fripp, Tibbits and Rypdal ain't too shabby! I am kinda unsure about the reviewer's last sentence tho....I guess music critics, like the evening news, find it so distasteful to accentuate the positive... Nonetheless...congrats are in order! Good job. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 17:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22264; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020205171951.00aca548@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:21:05 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: control 24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone know how the focusrite deals with aux buses? can you interface your hard-sought after analog outboard or is it a TDM hog? me, just dreaming. a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 17:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21493; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:24:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:28:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck Resent-Message-ID: <4jWQn.A.tNF.GuFY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EH Holy Grail has gotten good to lukewarm reviews on Harmony Central. Does anyone here have direct experience with one? <> -K The Eh Holy Grail sounds more like Oily Gruel, better off with a boss reverb, if you are looking for a pedal, otherwise spend a few bucks and get a TC Model One, I think the reverbs on this thing are lovely and it has great headroom unlike the inexpensive lexicon verbs. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 17:45:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23149; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:39:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:39:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C605E74.2D71E0AD@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:36:36 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: [GIGSPAM][CH] SeeWhat? on tour feb-march Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is my pleasure to invite all loopy friends to one of my concerts in those loopy clubs of Switzerland Feb 15 cases a chocs Neuchatel March 1 Nouveau Monde Fribourg March 8 Rocking Chair Vevey March 9 Cave de pianissimo Lausanne March 23 SAS Delemont WoW I'm exited I would like to thank......... Show up and i'll pay you a beer still yet met only one person of this wonderful list (wonderful Matthias !) so please somebody show up !! Claude whoswho ? :http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=011002174832 http://directory.music.ch/detail.php?id=12965 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 17:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23837; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:43:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:42:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 22:42:25.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[61F52DF0:01C1AE96] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really dig the Lexicon Lxp-1. You can find them for now about $145. The "dark" hall patch is great & sometimes I bypass my PCM80 & just use the lxp.... >From: "William R. Walker," >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck >Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:28:20 -0800 > >The EH Holy Grail has gotten good to lukewarm reviews on Harmony Central. >Does anyone here have direct experience with one? <> > >-K > >The Eh Holy Grail sounds more like Oily Gruel, better off with a boss >reverb, if you are looking for a pedal, otherwise spend a few bucks and get >a TC Model One, I think the reverbs on this thing are lovely and it has >great headroom unlike the inexpensive lexicon verbs. >Bill > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 18:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25513; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:58:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:58:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jimb@ehmail.com Date: 5 Feb 2002 14:56:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20020205225609.21732.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Feb 2002 22:56:09 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jimb@ehmail.com Subject: RE: Cadence Magazine Review Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Ted, That seems almost identical in style to a review I had in Option Magazine back in '87 for my LP "Dimensions." Haven't looked at it for some time now but the descriptive bit at the beginning, the comparisons (in my case it was Phillip Glass and Steve Reich - only half right), and the "not totally original, but..." ending, sound really familiar. Must be a formula these reviewers use. James Bailey host: A Missing Sense / Electric Storm CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto http://ckln.sac.ryerson.ca __________________________________________________________ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 18:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29460; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:19:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:19:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.21d75fb1.2991c140@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:14:08 EST Subject: Re: [GIGSPAM][CH] SeeWhat? on tour feb-march To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.21d75fb1.2991c140_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7a.21d75fb1.2991c140_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/02 5:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > so please somebody show up !! > claude.....dont hold your breath but if i can, ill be there.....my sweet katy's airline flies to england-spain-france.....im still waiting for rick w to let us know about JAPAN.....im itchin to meet loopers on their home turf.....all you need do is feed and water me.....:)m --part1_7a.21d75fb1.2991c140_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/02 5:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:


so please somebody show up !!


claude.....dont hold your breath but if i can, ill be there.....my sweet katy's airline flies to england-spain-france.....im still waiting for rick w to let us know about JAPAN.....im itchin to meet loopers on their home turf.....all you need do is feed and water me.....:)m --part1_7a.21d75fb1.2991c140_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 18:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29303; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:19:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:19:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:16:07 EST Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com im more than happy with my alesis Q2, but then i dont know any better!.....im sure these can be had for way less than i paid for mine.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 18:28:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29855; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:23:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:23:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.142] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <18.19b91096.2991ac23@aol.com> Subject: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine ..... Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:27:22 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 23:22:25.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8725190:01C1AE9B] Resent-Message-ID: <0KoDGD.A.qRH.TlGY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I've got one CD of Loren Mazzacane Connors (In Twilight) and it didn't really do much for me personally. I was expecting lush ambient guitar. It sounds like a live recording (I even heard a cough in the recording from memory) and sounds improvised but not in an amazing way. No looping was involved and I even thought his guitar sound was mediocre. Sounds like a combo with the distortion on with the reverb cranked up playing random notes. Maybe I'm just fussy when it comes to guitar material because I play guitar myself (even teach it) but if anyone disagrees, let me know as he appears to be respected in some realms of music fans. Maybe it's his worst CD?? For ambient style guitar I'd have to recommend Final or Maeror Tri. Excellent stuff. I've yet to upload my latest CD which is in the ambient/experimental guitar realm of things. When I do, I'll let you all know as I hope some of you would enjoy it. Done all on the Repeater and mixed live. And don't forget to check out Final or Maeror Tri :-) Any other ambient guitar CD recommendations?? Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > +++++++++++++++++++ > > Hmmmm...while I don't happen to know much of anything about > Christy Doran or Loren Mazzacane Connors, they're pretty spot > on with the other 3. Anybody wanna fill me in on Doran and > Connors before I go looking them up on the web? > > Best, > > Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 19:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02610; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:02:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200202052357.SAA22269@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:01:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2dkWCB.A.KO.dFHY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go Ted! The last line may put a damper on it, but the rest is really great. And if that's the worst they can say about you....hey, we should all have it so bad. I've seen reviews (not in cadence, as I've never heard of it) for stuff that got high marks for orginality and when I finally heard it, my response was"yeah, it's really original, doesn't sound like anybody else and I never want to hear it again. " Just because it's original doesn't make it good. What you got is a review that tells folks if they like these players, they'll probably like you. I really enjoy your CD. I'm not a reviewer, just a player who happens to be a music fan. I might use the referenc epoints they mention to someone a guideposts if they asked me about your stuff and I thought they'd know any of them. I'd also say "Just listen to it, you'll like it" but that doesn't sell magazines! Critics seem to foster a peculiar idea, that by making comparisons of an artists work, and ranking it against someone else's work, they're doing everyone a favor. I find that to be as much a favor as labelling it by genre. It may help sell it to someone who's into a particular style, and it may offer reference points, but that's all that means to me. It also fosters the unhealthy "who's the best....fill in the blank" mind set and the "you're really cool if you can name a whole lot of artists nobody has ever heard of and make them feel foolish for not knowing them" mind set. Both of those do more harm than good in my book. Congrats on all the good things contained therein! You deserve them. Frank Gerace Dreamchild www.dreamchildmusic.com At 10:09 PM 2/5/02 +0000, you wrote: >Alright, Ted! >> >>Probably nobody is interested anymore. >Wrong! always am interested when looper's get some credit and recognition! >Don"t know those others either, but to mentioned on the same sentence as >Fripp, Tibbits and Rypdal ain't too shabby! >I am kinda unsure about the reviewer's last sentence tho....I guess music >critics, like the evening news, find it so distasteful to accentuate the >positive... >Nonetheless...congrats are in order! Good job. >Max > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 19:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03161; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:08:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A09@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine ..... Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:04:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AEA1.DF554680" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AEA1.DF554680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Well I've got one CD of Loren Mazzacane Connors (In Twilight) and it didn't really do much for me personally. . . . improvised but not in an amazing way. No looping was involved and I even thought his guitar sound was mediocre. Sounds like a combo with the distortion on with the reverb cranked up playing random notes. ** this pretty much sums up my take on a live gig i saw of him in duo with nels cline. i didn't really care one way or the other about the lack of looping, but having a fender amp's 'verb up to 10 and playing without any discernable direction taxed my attention. as you say, some people seem to be quite taken with him, but i didn't hear anything to make me feel that way. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Well I've got one CD of Loren Mazzacane Connors (In Twili= ght) and it didn't
really do much for me personally.   . . . = ; improvised but not in an amazing way.  No looping was
involved and I even thought his guitar sound was mediocr= e.  Sounds like a
combo with the distortion on with the reverb cranked up = playing random
notes. 

** this pretty much sums up my take on a live gig i saw o= f him in duo with nels cline. i didn't really care one way or the other abo= ut the lack of looping, but having a fender amp's 'verb up to 10 and playin= g without any discernable direction taxed my attention. as you say, some pe= ople seem to be quite taken with him, but i didn't hear anything to make me= feel that way.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AEA1.DF554680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 19:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04315; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:16:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:16:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:15:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020205003909.97055.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stand Alone Unit, best i've found ever is the LXP-1. No easy editing, but all the verbs sound incredible. Lex said they reproduced them on the MPX1, but for me, not even close... Definitely best bang for buck, though... My suspicion is that eventide can outdo them, but I don't have that box yet... Todd On 2/4/02 7:39 PM, "SRice" wrote: > > I'll be looking for a verb soon too, trying to get in the > $300-$400 range. I've thought either the MPX200 or > Digitech S-200, which seems pretty similar. Any experience > with the Digi box vs. the others? > > One thing which looked interesting is that the Lexicon and > Digi verbs include a compressor. How does this compare to > a dedicated compressor(or no compressor)? > > Incidentally this is for hand drums and didgeridoo. I have > a Nanoverb now, so I don't want another cheapie toy, but > I'm not a professional either, and it was some else who > had the unlimited budget. > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > Original Message ----- > From: "Graham, Lindsay" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:31 PM > Subject: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) > > >> OK, so the gamut goes (limited to devices concentrating on > reverb): >> >> $199 Lexicon MPX100 >> $269 Roland SRV3030D >> $299 Lexicon MPX200 >> $349 t.c. electronic M-One >> $399 Yamaha REV500 >> $399 Lexicon MPX500 >> $699 Lexicon MPX1 >> $749 t.c. electronic M2000 >> >> Too expensive: >> Lexicon PCM-91 > >> Many others I'm sure I've not listed. >> >> I'm really in the market for a decent reverb. Well, perhaps > not in the >> market. I *need* one, but I don't necessarily want to buy > one. But what >> are you going to do? I've got an MPX-100 that I just don't > like. Plus, >> there's the on-board effects from my Yamaha 01V, supposedly > comparable to >> the REV500, but still, I don't really, really enjoy them, > either. I'd >> really like to spend less than $400, but could increase if > the body of >> evidence points solidly in that direction. >> >> Any opinions from the lurking gear hoarders present? This is > basically > the >> same question as asked below, with only minor revision > towards > specificity. >> >> Lindsay Graham >> sonic detritus: >> left of eliot >> http://leftofeliot.iuma.com >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 22:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24221; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:17:51 -0800 Subject: Re: EV-5 as a feedback pedals From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c1ac1b$cb274f10$2d66e43f@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_WltiC.A.j5F.b9JY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/2/02 10:59 AM, Greg S at g716_loop@hotmail.com wrote: > The ev-5 (and it's volume sibling's fv50-l and -h) have a minimum volume > knob on the side. Make sure it's set to 0. Thanks. That was indeed my problem but the actual answer was that I needed it set to 10 rather than 0 as I'd had it set. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 23:09:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30782; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.165.209.173] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: reviews that backhand Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:07:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 04:07:54.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA6BD400:01C1AEC3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Probably nobody is interested anymore. However, I finally >got a few lines of print in Cadence magazine and I'm not >unaccountably pleased with that (despite the fact that what >they wrote is smallish and contains a sort of "backhanded >compliment" at the end). said backhanded comment: >>...He might not be up >>to anything original but I found it hard to deny Killian's >>energy and exuberance." I think that's the number 1 reason why I haven't sent anything in to be reviewed yet. Critics are a weird bunch, and sometimes it's hard to tell what will and won't please them. There's a local, well respected record store in San Francisco that writes little reviews on most of the discs they sell. I was really hoping that they'd do this to the CT Collective discs I brought them last year. They did write one for CT-Found Sound, but the review contained this slightly more subtle backhand: "...There are occasionally some pleasant surprises amid the expected clickery." (note: the term "clickery" refers to music made with digital glitches, like Oval or Disc.) Turns out there's only one track of clickery on the disc - my own. I thought it was one of my best tracks too. :-( (The track, by the way, is "When you All", and can be found at www.mp3.com/mattdavignon) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 5 23:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31440; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:12:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:12:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine ..... Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F38@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 04:11:26.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[588E7A40:01C1AEC4] Resent-Message-ID: <5m0sF.A.6pH.Q0KY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Any other ambient guitar CD recommendations?? Ritchie Just to name a few I've heard on Echoes... Jeff Pearce http://www.hypnos.com/pearce/ "To the Shores of Heaven" is a beautiful CD -- highly recommended. He used to be an active list member, but I haven't heard much news on him in quite a while. There's a great living-room concert on Echoes where he plays live: http://musicsojourn.com/rampw/free/eo/real/ram/v61-80/v66/eo-66-4.ram Jeff starts about the 30 min. mark. Michael Brook http://musicsojourn.com/rampw/free/eo/real/ram/v21-40/v31/eo-31-1.ram (again, 30 min. mark) http://musicsojourn.com/rampw/sub/eo/real/ram/v21-40/v24/eo-24-5.ram (Live solo, 41:45 mark) Monk http://musicsojourn.com/rampw/free/eo/real/ram/V41-60/v48/eo-48-5.ram (49:30) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 01:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12819; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:04:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:04:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1aea1$ee4520c0$08f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020205225609.21732.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine Review Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:05:00 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <7XXaPD.A.LHD.EdMY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com james bailey- how can i listen to some of your music? i'm a huge fan of both reich and glass (in that order). music critics are the worst. just remember, they're the chasers, not the music-makers. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 01:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14566; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:15:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:15:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18.19b91096.2991ac23@aol.com> References: <18.19b91096.2991ac23@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:22:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Cadence Magazine Review (Plus a Question About Christy Doran and Loren Mazzacane Connors) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, given Cadence's background, I'd say that's a surprisingly positive review, especially for a "non-jazz" release. Good job, Ted! Re:Christy Doran: He's a pretty terrific guitarist, Irish but living in Switzerland now, I believe. I've seen him live a number of times, and he's never failed to blow me away. I don't know his records all that well, but I have an older ECM disc, a quartet with a drummer and 2 acoustic basses, that rocks pretty severely. >Okay, okay, okay. > >Probably nobody is interested anymore. However, I finally >got a few lines of print in Cadence magazine and I'm not >unaccountably pleased with that (despite the fact that what >they wrote is smallish and contains a sort of "backhanded >compliment" at the end). I almost didn't send them a CD in >the belief that what I do really wouldn't be "avant-garde" >enough for them anyway. Sounds like they'd agree -- but >give me points for "enthusiasm" anywho (which is totally >fine by me). > >Brief blurbette to follow: > >+++++++++++++++++++ > >Jason Bivens, Cadence Magazine, February 2002 > >"Ted Killian plays solo guitar on "Flux Aeterna" but the sound >is rich and full owing to his generous use of delay devices and >effects pedals. This music . . . is atmospheric in the extreme, >filled with ethereality and almost psychedelic textures. Killian >has clearly listened to players like Christy Doran, Loren >Mazzacane Connors, Steve Tibbetts, Robert Fripp and Terje >Rypdal - that list should give you a good idea of where he's >coming from. He loves searing guitar improvs over various >backdrops. With a white hot tone - super trebly and always >threatening to spill over into raw feedback - Killian alternates >between Hendrixian fantasies and paranoid digital sounds, >with occasional high lonesome plucking. He might not be up >to anything original but I found it hard to deny Killian's >energy and exuberance." > >+++++++++++++++++++ > >Hmmmm...while I don't happen to know much of anything about >Christy Doran or Loren Mazzacane Connors, they're pretty spot >on with the other 3. Anybody wanna fill me in on Doran and >Connors before I go looking them up on the web? > >Best, > >Ted Killian -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 09:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10339; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:40:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200202061439.g16EdjG18377@chmls18.ne.ipsvc.net> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:38:20 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[4]: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA10254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> What about that new PicoVerb coming out from Alesis for $99. I believe >> it is supposed to be 1/4 rack space and 24bit. well, i'd have to hear it. the alesis reverbs i have (wedge, and microverb 4) have that high-end digital hissy sound (high end in terms of frequency, not quality)....i'm sure i'd rather have a good lexicon or tc box, but the de-1 is cheap, and does not sound like my alsesis units. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 10:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15322; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:14:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:14:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C61483A.B883D533@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:14:02 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EH was Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck References: <200202060616.BAA14835@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone tried to buy anything from the EH site using the "secret" password they give you in the back of the NAMM catalog? (username: eh password: rocks) The prices are great, I just wonder if it lets you get all the way through without a tax ID number or EH dealer code or whatever. -Hans > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:28:20 -0800 > From: "William R. Walker," > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > The EH Holy Grail has gotten good to lukewarm reviews on Harmony Central. > Does anyone here have direct experience with one? <> > > -K > > The Eh Holy Grail sounds more like Oily Gruel, better off with a boss > reverb, if you are looking for a pedal, otherwise spend a few bucks and get > a TC Model One, I think the reverbs on this thing are lovely and it has > great headroom unlike the inexpensive lexicon verbs. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 10:44:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19022; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:43:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:43:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.34.119.151] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH was Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:42:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 15:42:20.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD1D6860:01C1AF24] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if I already replied to this but check out the "old" Lexicon Lxp-1. You can find them for about 150 & they sound great... cheers >From: Hans Lindauer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: EH was Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck >Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:14:02 -0800 > >Has anyone tried to buy anything from the EH site using the "secret" >password >they give you in the back of the NAMM catalog? (username: eh password: >rocks) >The prices are great, I just wonder if it lets you get all the way through >without a tax ID number or EH dealer code or whatever. > >-Hans > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck > > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:28:20 -0800 > > From: "William R. Walker," > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > The EH Holy Grail has gotten good to lukewarm reviews on Harmony >Central. > > Does anyone here have direct experience with one? <warts!!>> > > > > -K > > > > The Eh Holy Grail sounds more like Oily Gruel, better off with a boss > > reverb, if you are looking for a pedal, otherwise spend a few bucks and >get > > a TC Model One, I think the reverbs on this thing are lovely and it has > > great headroom unlike the inexpensive lexicon verbs. > > Bill > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 11:47:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30534; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:46:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:46:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c1af2b$099b1ee0$e65330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: EH was Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:26:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1AF2B.086CFF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1AF2B.086CFF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i use a quadreverb / 2 [ok and an eventide dsp4000] but the quad 2 is an = fx processor i really rate and i bet you won't have to pay =A3800 for = one now ! if you can get a quad 20 mind it is basically the same machine without = annoying lump-in-line power supply [it has EIC i believe] one less than none ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1AF2B.086CFF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i use a quadreverb / 2 [ok = and an=20 eventide dsp4000] but the quad 2 is an fx processor i really rate and i = bet you=20 won't have to pay =A3800 for one now !
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1AF2B.086CFF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 13:01:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05673; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:00:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:04:03 -0800 Subject: Re: re[4]: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202061439.g16EdjG18377@chmls18.ne.ipsvc.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm quite fond of my Ibanez SDR-1000+. I haven't looked to see what they go for used. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 13:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07027; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:16:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:16:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C61483A.B883D533@ernieball.com> References: <200202060616.BAA14835@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C61483A.B883D533@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:02:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: repeater fx loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings earthlings... alas, i've broken down and entered repeaterland. nope, store credit at guitar center don't last long in my household. i have my filter queen patched into the repeater's fx inserts. running Left out to the FQ and back into the left return of the fx loop. when i set a track to the fx insert, i can only hear it if the mix on the filter queen is set to 100% (and the sound is filtered). if i bypass the FQ, or turn the mix down, the signal dissapears, even though the in/out lights on the FQ are registering. huh? why would the FQ be getting a signal from the repeater, and spitting it back to the repeater, but the repeater only hears it if it's processed? it should be that the signal gets dumped to the fx unit and then you can control the 'mix', or amount of fx , right? or could bypass the fx unit, right? stumped. any help here? any more info needed? repeater is on fx send 1 of my mixer, dry mute is on, and controlling via behringer footcontroller. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 16:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28504; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:06:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:06:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.144] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A09@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine ..... Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 06:52:32 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 21:05:23.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE075630:01C1AF51] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine .....Phew. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Even picked his amp setup with ever seeing him :-) If Nels Cline is a bass player, he's on a couple of the tracks on the CD I've got. Makes the track a *bit* better but still not worthy. And thanks peoples for some of the ambient guitar recommendations, I'll check em out. Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ Well I've got one CD of Loren Mazzacane Connors (In Twilight) and it didn't really do much for me personally. . . . improvised but not in an amazing way. No looping was involved and I even thought his guitar sound was mediocre. Sounds like a combo with the distortion on with the reverb cranked up playing random notes. -------------------------------------------------------- ** this pretty much sums up my take on a live gig i saw of him in duo with nels cline. i didn't really care one way or the other about the lack of looping, but having a fender amp's 'verb up to 10 and playing without any discernable direction taxed my attention. as you say, some people seem to be quite taken with him, but i didn't hear anything to make me feel that way. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 16:18:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30828; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:17:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:17:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A11@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine ..... Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:14:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF53.36305C90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF53.36305C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine .....Phew. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Even picked his amp setup with ever seeing him :-) ** it was a borrowed amp, but you certainly nailed "his sound." If Nels Cline is a bass player, he's on a couple of the tracks on the CD I've got. ** naw nels is a guitar player. don't think they've recorded. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF53.36305C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine .....

RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine .....Phew.  I'm glad I'm not the
only one.  Even picked his amp setup with ever seeing him :-) 

** it was a borrowed amp, but you certainly nailed "his sound."

If Nels Cline is a bass player, he's on a couple of the tracks on the CD I've got. 

** naw nels is a guitar player. don't think they've recorded.

stig



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TO PRESENT ANOTHER EDITION OF "THE PSYCHO-SEXUAL-FREAKSHOW"

Date: MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11th. at TRITONE: Located In Center City
Philadelphia @ 1508 South St. Phila. PA.
*(It is directly across the street from Bob & Barbara's),  9pm-2am.

Our Theme: An "Anti-Valentines-Day-Party" jam-packed with enuff Kinky
Go-Go Dancers, Fire Eaters and a delightful "Panorama" of "Almost-
Buck-Naked-Party-Treats" Kinked Up So much - that it would make Cupid
Drop his bow and "drawers" to Submit to AKASH's, "Darkest Delights".

Also "Featuring", THE SCORCHING PYRO-"REV. JOHNNY HELL", Loralai,
Iris Senseless, DJ-Junior Friggster
(from "Fast Cheap & Out of Control" & other Psydde Delicious Parties)
GODDESS KIKI BERLIN, ELLIOTT LEVIN on REEDS + MANY MORE Special Guests TBA.

DJ-Junior Friggster will guide us thru a "Trippy" Mix of 60's & 70's
esoterica, Illbient and Campy "Go-Go-Core", Plus Many Modern - Dark-
Abstractions & Even Darker/Menancing Textures with "Forward Thinking
Beats".

Fashions ( Panties ) provided by Tattooed Kingpin
http://www.tattooedkingpin.com/

*$6 Cover (Its Cheap!), $5 dollars with a copy of the February 2002
ObZine magazine or with a COPY of this E-Mail :)

Drink Specials: $Three Dollar Pabst and a shot of Beam.

So why not be our Lil' Kinky-Valentine?

Hope to seeya there :)

"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
http://www.akashmusic.com &
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic


--part1_ce.2128d53f.2992f859_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 16:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04972; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:55:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:55:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1af58$d3624460$0100007f@skynet.be> From: "Peter Van Woensel" To: Subject: Jammanmemory/ jamman triggering over midi pads Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:53:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1AF61.1825BF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1AF61.1825BF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Loopers A)I use 2 midi-linked lexicon jamman. one has a rec-time of 32sec, the other only has 8sec memory I am living in Belgium ( Europe!) and dont know where I still can find the ZIP expandable memory chips( The electronic shops can't help me = anymore) The manual says to use four 1M x 4 bit ZIP ICs, and lists the following = compatible chips: motorola MCM54400AZhitachi HM514400AZPnec D424400AZPfujitsu = MB814400mitsubishi M5M44400Lmicron MT4C4001JZ B)I also use a handsonic Handpad-15 of Roland . Can anybody give me some info about triggering the start/stops=20 of the jamman on this pad -drums over midi??? ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1AF61.1825BF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Loopers

A)I use 2 midi-linked  = lexicon=20 jamman.

one has a rec-time of 32sec, = the other only=20 has 8sec memory

 

I am living in Belgium ( = Europe!) and dont=20 know where I still can find

the ZIP expandable memory = chips( The=20 electronic shops can't help me anymore)

The manual says to use four 1M x 4 bit ZIP ICs, and lists the = following=20 compatible chips:

motorola MCM54400AZhitachi HM514400AZPnec D424400AZPfujitsu=20 MB814400mitsubishi M5M44400Lmicron MT4C4001JZ

 

B)I also use a handsonic = Handpad-15 =20 of Roland .

Can anybody  give me some = info about=20 triggering the start/stops

of the jamman on this pad = -drums over=20 midi???

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C1AF61.1825BF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 17:15:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07636; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791071@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: WAY OT: Video Sync Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:13:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Help! I'm scoring a short (8+ min) local DV project and am having a fit with sync issues. Here's the lowdown: I was given a QuickTime file of the final visual edit. I'm using Nuendo on a PC, which can import and display video, so that's cool. I finish my preliminary score, making sure certain moments in the audio line up with certain frames of the video. Ok, great. However, even though I took great care to line up an audio event with a video frame-and it does indeed appear to be in sync if I place my cursor at that position in the timeline-if I play the file from the beginning, the sync drifts. Ok, so that's strange, so I make sure I set up my Nuendo project the with the same frame rate as the QuickTime file. In the media pool, the QuickTime is described as 29.97fps, so that's what I set my project to (and my timeline view to). Same problem: drift. I talk to the film maker and he says he's editing in 29.97dfps (drop-frame), so I say, Ok, reconfigure my project, realign all the audio events and, low and behold, the thing seems to be in sync (or was it when I ignores the drop-frame that it appeared to be in sync-I can't remember). That is, up until I replace the audio in the original QuickTime file and now I'm off like eleven seconds over the 8:20 project! It's at this point that I took the CD containing the QuickTime file and tried to swallow it. I've hit the Nuendo website and support is thin. I don't expect a reply from customer service for a while. Anyone with actual hands-on experience know the answer to this? Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 17:29:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08628; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:28:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:28:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014501c1af5d$7858f640$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791071@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Subject: Re: WAY OT: Video Sync Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:26:15 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps you need to save the file first as a single AVI/etc file, and then see. > I'm scoring a short (8+ min) local DV project and am having a fit with sync > issues. > > Here's the lowdown: > > I was given a QuickTime file of the final visual edit. I'm using Nuendo on > a PC, which can import and display video, so that's cool. I finish my > preliminary score, making sure certain moments in the audio line up with > certain frames of the video. Ok, great. However, even though I took great > care to line up an audio event with a video frame-and it does indeed appear > to be in sync if I place my cursor at that position in the timeline-if I > play the file from the beginning, the sync drifts. Ok, so that's strange, > so I make sure I set up my Nuendo project the with the same frame rate as > the QuickTime file. In the media pool, the QuickTime is described as > 29.97fps, so that's what I set my project to (and my timeline view to). > Same problem: drift. I talk to the film maker and he says he's editing in > 29.97dfps (drop-frame), so I say, Ok, reconfigure my project, realign all > the audio events and, low and behold, the thing seems to be in sync (or was > it when I ignores the drop-frame that it appeared to be in sync-I can't > remember). That is, up until I replace the audio in the original QuickTime > file and now I'm off like eleven seconds over the 8:20 project! > > It's at this point that I took the CD containing the QuickTime file and > tried to swallow it. > > I've hit the Nuendo website and support is thin. I don't expect a reply > from customer service for a while. > > Anyone with actual hands-on experience know the answer to this? > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 17:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08886; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:30:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:30:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRe+2jlg1oYijAkbFXTtpUgZMwLCwIVAJpqEB5PaG08OfDYtJZrtRp+1e2d From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIG SPAM: PHILLY: AKASH @ TRITONE: 2/11/02 Message-ID: <8016-3C61AE7A-198@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com's message of Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:21:29 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You guys and gals in AKASH should be here where I live, in beautiful Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada. I'm sure you could find work here. We got casinos, liquer stores,churchs, cat houses and also Sigfried and Roy. Oh and dont forget Wayne Newton. I can see your advertismt on a bilboard right now. Bill/Las Vegas P.S. I'm not kiddin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 17:34:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09310; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:33:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:33:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791073@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: WAY OT: Video Sync Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:33:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, --if I understand you correctly-that is exactly what I did. Mixdown the whole project to an AIF file, then replace it in the original QuickTime file. Though I may have been able to get it to resemble being sync'd in Nuendo, it sure as hell isn't sync'd after being placed in the QuickTime file. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAY OT: Video Sync Perhaps you need to save the file first as a single AVI/etc file, and then see. > I'm scoring a short (8+ min) local DV project and am having a fit with sync > issues. > > Here's the lowdown: > > I was given a QuickTime file of the final visual edit. I'm using Nuendo on > a PC, which can import and display video, so that's cool. I finish my > preliminary score, making sure certain moments in the audio line up with > certain frames of the video. Ok, great. However, even though I took great > care to line up an audio event with a video frame-and it does indeed appear > to be in sync if I place my cursor at that position in the timeline-if I > play the file from the beginning, the sync drifts. Ok, so that's strange, > so I make sure I set up my Nuendo project the with the same frame rate as > the QuickTime file. In the media pool, the QuickTime is described as > 29.97fps, so that's what I set my project to (and my timeline view to). > Same problem: drift. I talk to the film maker and he says he's editing in > 29.97dfps (drop-frame), so I say, Ok, reconfigure my project, realign all > the audio events and, low and behold, the thing seems to be in sync (or was > it when I ignores the drop-frame that it appeared to be in sync-I can't > remember). That is, up until I replace the audio in the original QuickTime > file and now I'm off like eleven seconds over the 8:20 project! > > It's at this point that I took the CD containing the QuickTime file and > tried to swallow it. > > I've hit the Nuendo website and support is thin. I don't expect a reply > from customer service for a while. > > Anyone with actual hands-on experience know the answer to this? > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 18:08:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13644; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:07:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:07:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791073@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791073@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:06:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: RE: WAY OT: Video Sync Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Problems like this sometimes stem from confusion surrounding the fact that there's both a video frame rate and an audio sample rate involved. I very often see pulldown related drift problems, for example when a "29.97 non-drop, 44.1kHz" project really turns out to be 29.97fps, 44.056kHz. (44056 is to 44100 as 29.97 is to 30). There isn't a universal standard for pulling down audio clocks along with video rates, afaik. This can be a major headache when cutting a 24fps film on video equipment, then mixing it to film. Unfortunately, the amount of drift you describe is much greater than the .1% error typical of video pulldown problems. Nonetheless, if the drift seems to be a consistent gradual slippage rather than a few sudden jumps, you could hack your way out of sync hell by sample-rate-converting the mix and/or tweaking the audio rate settings in Nuendo (if there are any!). -Alex S. At 4:33 PM -0600 2/6/02, Graham, Lindsay wrote: >Yeah, --if I understand you correctly-that is exactly what I did. Mixdown >the whole project to an AIF file, then replace it in the original QuickTime >file. Though I may have been able to get it to resemble being sync'd in >Nuendo, it sure as hell isn't sync'd after being placed in the QuickTime >file. > >Lindsay Graham >sonic detritus: >left of eliot >http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- >From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:26 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: WAY OT: Video Sync > >Perhaps you need to save the file first as a single AVI/etc file, and then >see. > > > I'm scoring a short (8+ min) local DV project and am having a fit with >sync > > issues. > > > > Here's the lowdown: > > > > I was given a QuickTime file of the final visual edit. I'm using Nuendo >on > > a PC, which can import and display video, so that's cool. I finish my > > preliminary score, making sure certain moments in the audio line up with > > certain frames of the video. Ok, great. However, even though I took >great > > care to line up an audio event with a video frame-and it does indeed >appear > > to be in sync if I place my cursor at that position in the timeline-if I > > play the file from the beginning, the sync drifts. Ok, so that's strange, > > so I make sure I set up my Nuendo project the with the same frame rate as > > the QuickTime file. In the media pool, the QuickTime is described as > > 29.97fps, so that's what I set my project to (and my timeline view to). > > Same problem: drift. I talk to the film maker and he says he's editing in > > 29.97dfps (drop-frame), so I say, Ok, reconfigure my project, realign all > > the audio events and, low and behold, the thing seems to be in sync (or >was > > it when I ignores the drop-frame that it appeared to be in sync-I can't > > remember). That is, up until I replace the audio in the original >QuickTime > > file and now I'm off like eleven seconds over the 8:20 project! > > > > It's at this point that I took the CD containing the QuickTime file and > > tried to swallow it. > > > > I've hit the Nuendo website and support is thin. I don't expect a reply > > from customer service for a while. > > > > Anyone with actual hands-on experience know the answer to this? > > > > Lindsay Graham > > sonic detritus: > > left of eliot > > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 18:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17024; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:37:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:35:58 EST Subject: Re: GIG SPAM: PHILLY: AKASH @ TRITONE: 2/11/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b4.6155af5.299317de_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b4.6155af5.299317de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now If we could get Wayne Newton on his hands and knees beggin to get spanked and ridden like a pony on stage - while singing "Danke Sheeen", We could probably Retire off of the Licensing of the Video to E and Entertainment Tonite alone. But we just may do somethin like that as a stage Gag (if we make it to sin city ) where we would have someone who looks like Wayne Newton do and be subjected to something exactly like the afforementioned humiliation. and that IMHO would be a truly be great Billboard to behold. Also, "Rev. Johnny Hell" is really & truly an ordained minister. I'm certain that we could get him licensed in Nevada quicker than Elvis. But it is coincidental that You should mention Vegas as we were all just talking about getting there and testing the dirty waters of sin. The AKASH girls already do freelance modeling and personal appearences, Bondage Sessions there in Vegas with various independent Producers of both BDSM & Adult Products/Vids. But we have never p;ayed there together as a band. But Hey, You just might see us all there by Summertime. Stay Tuned... Also Ck Out AKASH's MP3.com Radio Station: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html where we feature tons of fun music besides our own - though we do slant things toward local Philly Acts: But do Look & Listen for Fellow LD List Member David Talento ( Music for isolation tanks - Shhhhh-101..brilliant stuff indeed! ) Warm Regards, jp/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" www.akashmusic.com www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_b4.6155af5.299317de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now If we could get Wayne Newton on his hands and knees beggin to get spanked and ridden like a pony on stage - while singing "Danke Sheeen", We could probably Retire off of the Licensing of the Video to E and Entertainment Tonite alone.

But we just may do somethin like that as a stage Gag (if we make it to sin city ) where we would have someone who looks like Wayne Newton do and be subjected to something exactly like the afforementioned humiliation.

and that IMHO would be a truly be great Billboard to behold.

Also, "Rev. Johnny Hell" is really & truly an ordained minister.

I'm certain that we could get him licensed in Nevada quicker than Elvis.

But it is coincidental that You should mention Vegas as we were all just talking about getting there and testing the dirty waters of sin.

The AKASH girls already do freelance modeling and personal appearences, Bondage Sessions there in Vegas with various independent Producers of both BDSM & Adult Products/Vids.

But we have never p;ayed there together as a band.

But Hey, You just might see us all there by Summertime.

Stay Tuned...

Also Ck Out AKASH's MP3.com Radio Station:

http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html where we feature tons of fun music besides our own - though we do slant things toward local Philly Acts: But do Look & Listen for Fellow LD List Member David Talento ( Music for isolation tanks - Shhhhh-101..brilliant stuff indeed! )

Warm Regards,
jp/AKASH
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
www.akashmusic.com
www.mp3.com/akashmusic

 --part1_b4.6155af5.299317de_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 18:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18923; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:53:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:53:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C61C2D7.E4224789@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:59:38 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIG SPAM: PHILLY: AKASH @ TRITONE: 2/11/02 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote: (snip) > > > But we have never p;ayed there together as a band. > was that play or pray? :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 19:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20828; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:59:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:59:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A18@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: GIG SPAM: PHILLY: AKASH @ TRITONE: 2/11/02 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:58:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF6A.35CBD6F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF6A.35CBD6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** or *been payed* (jes' kiddin') stig (snip) > > > But we have never p;ayed there together as a band. > was that play or pray? :o) Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF6A.35CBD6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" GIG SPAM: PHILLY: AKASH @ TRITONE: 2/11/02

** or *been payed*  (jes' kiddin')

stig

(snip)

>
>
> But we have never p;ayed there together as a band.
>

was that play or pray?

:o)



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF6A.35CBD6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 19:09:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21911; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:08:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791071@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Subject: Re: WAY OT: Video Sync Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:07:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 00:07:16.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[67035E40:01C1AF6B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the sample rate of the original quicktime at? Film and TV is usually rendered to 48khz, purely to cause distress to the audio team. What level of pitch shift are you experiencing? If the sample rates are off, so will the pitch. You should be able to work out how the sample rates differ from this. Have you tried rendering out of Nuendo? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: WAY OT: Video Sync > Help! > > I'm scoring a short (8+ min) local DV project and am having a fit with sync > issues. > > Here's the lowdown: > > I was given a QuickTime file of the final visual edit. I'm using Nuendo on > a PC, which can import and display video, so that's cool. I finish my > preliminary score, making sure certain moments in the audio line up with > certain frames of the video. Ok, great. However, even though I took great > care to line up an audio event with a video frame-and it does indeed appear > to be in sync if I place my cursor at that position in the timeline-if I > play the file from the beginning, the sync drifts. Ok, so that's strange, > so I make sure I set up my Nuendo project the with the same frame rate as > the QuickTime file. In the media pool, the QuickTime is described as > 29.97fps, so that's what I set my project to (and my timeline view to). > Same problem: drift. I talk to the film maker and he says he's editing in > 29.97dfps (drop-frame), so I say, Ok, reconfigure my project, realign all > the audio events and, low and behold, the thing seems to be in sync (or was > it when I ignores the drop-frame that it appeared to be in sync-I can't > remember). That is, up until I replace the audio in the original QuickTime > file and now I'm off like eleven seconds over the 8:20 project! > > It's at this point that I took the CD containing the QuickTime file and > tried to swallow it. > > I've hit the Nuendo website and support is thin. I don't expect a reply > from customer service for a while. > > Anyone with actual hands-on experience know the answer to this? > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 21:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02327; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:13:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:13:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <189.2ea45fd.29933caf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:13:03 EST Subject: BASS and STICK LOOPERS To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.2ea45fd.29933caf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_189.2ea45fd.29933caf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BASS and STICK LOOPERS... If you LOOP and your PRIMARY instrument is a BASS or a STICK / WARR ("touch style") instrument... I am preparing to start a new mp3.com radio station... If you fit the above criteria, and have an mp3.com page... Please send your info such as artist name and express URL as well as what tune of yours you would most desire to be included on the station (If you don't suggest a tune, you may not be included) Send me a PRIVATE e-mail with the info off of this list ... to kkstrtchby@aol.com Please paste LOOPING BASSIST RADIO into the subject line... Also include suggestions for a potential name for the station if you like... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing www.kickstartchubby.com Please, NO forwards... --part1_189.2ea45fd.29933caf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BASS and STICK LOOPERS...

If you LOOP and your PRIMARY instrument is a BASS or a STICK / WARR ("touch style") instrument...

I am preparing to start a new mp3.com radio station...

If you fit the above criteria, and have an mp3.com page...

Please send your info such as artist name and express URL as well as what tune of yours you would most desire to be included on the station (If you don't suggest a tune, you may not be included)

Send me a PRIVATE e-mail with the info off of this list ... to kkstrtchby@aol.com

Please paste LOOPING BASSIST RADIO into the subject line...

Also include suggestions for a potential name for the station if you like...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
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Please, NO forwards... --part1_189.2ea45fd.29933caf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 22:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06067; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:01:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:01:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c1af9d$0e233840$22708242@videotron.ca> From: "perrytam" To: Subject: new member Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:02:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AF59.FFAC0BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AF59.FFAC0BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang first time here,can anyone give me the details on the Akai U = 400(is it a loop sampler),the Akai E 1 and the Boss ER 20. ....Thanks = Perry ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AF59.FFAC0BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1AF59.FFAC0BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 6 22:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10156; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:55:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:55:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8016-3C61AE7A-198@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:59:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: GIG SPAM: PHILLY: AKASH @ TRITONE: 2/11/02 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey BillyB! you forgot to mention David Cassidy and the Star Trek Experience Yowza! chillyb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 01:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21427; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.228.84.27] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:58:25 -0800 Subject: FS Jam man with 32 seconds sampling From: "Cloverstreet@hotmail" To: Loopers Delight Digest Loopers Delight Digest Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 06:00:14.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[B61716D0:01C1AF9C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FS Jam man with 32 seconds sampling $450.00 obo. Cloverstreet@hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 02:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26568; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 02:18:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 02:18:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:17:54 -0800 Subject: Re: repeater fx loop From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know the Filter Queen, but occasionally I have that issue when I've got my MoFX set on Dry Kill, or my Warp Factory set on Source Kill. See if the Filter Queen has something similar. Mark on 2/6/02 10:02 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: > greetings earthlings... > > alas, i've broken down and entered repeaterland. nope, store credit > at guitar center don't last long in my household. > > > i have my filter queen patched into the repeater's fx inserts. > running Left out to the FQ and back into the left return of the fx > loop. > > when i set a track to the fx insert, i can only hear it if the mix on > the filter queen is set to 100% (and the sound is filtered). if i > bypass the FQ, or turn the mix down, the signal dissapears, even > though the in/out lights on the FQ are registering. > > huh? why would the FQ be getting a signal from the repeater, and > spitting it back to the repeater, but the repeater only hears it if > it's processed? > > it should be that the signal gets dumped to the fx unit and then you > can control the 'mix', or amount of fx , right? or could bypass the > fx unit, right? > > stumped. any help here? > > any more info needed? repeater is on fx send 1 of my mixer, dry mute > is on, and controlling via behringer footcontroller. > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 07:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13033; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:48:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:48:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C627708.20AFD52B@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 04:45:59 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reports from the lab (part 1) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Disgustingly late reply here, I'm afraid... Jim Poppen wrote: > I am one of those people whose imaginations haven't yet > caught up to the power of the EDP, As far as I'm concerned, neither has mine! Matthais, Kim and company have built (and continue to build) one unbelievably deep box there... > the mp3s of your performance in LA (was it a loopfest? you know the one, > there were kids running around bringing everyone down to earth. I did indeed play an LA loopfest, but I don't remember kids running around. Hmmm. > BTW, are > those mp3s still up somewhere?) I pulled the mp3s of that particular gig, mainly because I feel that most of the musical and technical ideas I played there have since been far better explored and executed in more recent work I've done (i.e. the December 2001 recordings, some of which I posted to the list the day after X-mas.) My performance at the LA loop gig itself I thought was good, but not definitive work, in my estimation. > I don't mean to foist anything onto anyone, but here's an idea: Andre > writes an application guide for the next version of Aurisis' Loop. I > like it! I definitely appreciate the vote of confidence. It should be noted, however, that people like Chris Muir, Claude Voit, and Andy Butler (as well as the usual Grob and Flint-shaped candidates) have been making some very deep and important contributions to the evolution of the Echoplex. I would point to any of those folks as far better candidates than myself to be able to address LoopIV (or, for that matter, the EDP in general) from an expert's point of view, particularly when it comes time to do the application guide(s). I am still planning on some sort of web-based EDP analysis thing. I just need to squeeze a few extra days out of my schedule, somehow... Anyway. Thanks for the interest, Jim. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 13:37:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07057; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:30:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Fwd: Acoustic Ecology sites X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA06998 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This was just posted to the Canadian Electroacoustic Community (CEC) list. It may be useful to those interested in "soundscapes." >Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:19:14 -0500 (EST) >From: dodgeroo@sympatico.ca >Subject: Acoustic Ecology sites >Sender: owner-cecdiscuss@concordia.ca >To: eamt@concordia.ca, cecdiscuss@concordia.ca, et-theory@concordia.ca >Reply-to: cecdiscuss@concordia.ca > >Here are some sites I compiled for a recent presentation I did on >Acoustic Ecology. There is also a couple of sites of Andy >Goldsworthy, who inspired my own Acoustic Ecological Acoustic Art!?! >(try saying that a few thousand times fast) > >Just for general interest... > > Andy Goldsworthy > http://cgee.hamline.edu/see/goldsworthy/see_an_andy.html > http://www.getty.edu/artsednet/images/Ecology/gallery1.html > > Drift > http://www.mediascot.org/drift/drift.html > > Hilldegarde > http://www.radio.cbc.ca/programs/thismorning/lfnsound/index.html > http://www.finearts.yorku.ca/andra/research/westerkamp.html > http://www.emf.org/artists/mccartney00/ > > WFAC > http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/WFAE/home/index.html > > CASE > http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/CASE/Homepage > > World Soundscape Project > http://www.sfu.ca/~truax/wsp.html > > Auditory Demonstration CD’s and Books $$$ > http://www.auditory.org//democds.html > > Canadian Electroacoustic Community > http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Ecology/ecologyindex.html > > Sonic Arts Network > http://www.sonicartsnetwork.org/ > > >Acoustically yours, > >Carey -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 19:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00611; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:11:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Staplt00@aol.com Message-ID: <192.20d3184.29947151@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:09:53 EST Subject: question on a GCX unit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.20d3184.29947151_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <95vV8.A.WI.5dxY8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.20d3184.29947151_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I been trying to locate a website or place that will give me more information on a GCX ground control unit. My idol guitarist, Jerry Horton of PAPA ROACH uses a GCX ground control MIDI foot switch for MIDI changes. What does that do??? Does change sounds of the guitar like a distortion pedal??? I went to GuitarGeek.com just to find no luck in finding that unit. Can you help me find a site or somewhere with information on the GCX unit i need??? Thanks!!! --part1_192.20d3184.29947151_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
      
       I been trying to locate a website or place that will give me more information on a GCX ground control unit. My idol guitarist, Jerry Horton of PAPA ROACH uses a GCX ground control MIDI foot switch for MIDI changes. What does that do??? Does change sounds of the guitar like a distortion pedal??? I went to GuitarGeek.com just to find no luck in finding that unit. Can you help me find a site or somewhere with information on the GCX unit i need??? Thanks!!!
 --part1_192.20d3184.29947151_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 20:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08013; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:18:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:18:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:15:06 EST Subject: Re: GIG SPAM: PHILLY: AKASH @ TRITONE: 2/11/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f2.166aa9be.2994809a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f2.166aa9be.2994809a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW & FYI, Just found out From Elliott Leven that for this Gig, "THE PSYCHO-SEXUAL-FREAKSHOW", @ TRITONE, 2/11/02, @15th and south streets, Center City Phila) a certain Mr. Calvin Weston will be our Drummer :) Also, we will only play 2 short sets, each lasting approx 25 minutes w/ one set starting at approx 10:30pm and another at say approx 12 or 12:30am. DJ Junior Friggster will cover the majority of the music for the majority nite. We also expect to record this show straight to DAT. Again, we hope to see everyone who can make it. Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic --part1_f2.166aa9be.2994809a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW & FYI,

Just found out From Elliott Leven that for this Gig, "THE PSYCHO-SEXUAL-FREAKSHOW", @ TRITONE, 2/11/02, @15th and south streets, Center City Phila) a certain Mr. Calvin Weston will be our Drummer :)

Also, we will only play 2 short sets, each lasting approx 25 minutes w/ one set starting at approx 10:30pm and another at say approx 12 or 12:30am.

DJ Junior Friggster will cover the majority of the music for the majority nite.

We also expect to record this show straight to DAT.

Again, we hope to see everyone who can make it.

Warm Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic




 --part1_f2.166aa9be.2994809a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 20:36:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09285; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:35:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:35:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1b03f$dde6c040$41d81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <192.20d3184.29947151@aol.com> Subject: Re: question on a GCX unit Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:28:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B03F.DCB8A080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B03F.DCB8A080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable www.voodoolab.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Staplt00@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: question on a GCX unit Hi, =20 I been trying to locate a website or place that will give me = more information on a GCX ground control unit. My idol guitarist, Jerry = Horton of PAPA ROACH uses a GCX ground control MIDI foot switch for MIDI = changes. What does that do??? Does change sounds of the guitar like a = distortion pedal??? I went to GuitarGeek.com just to find no luck in = finding that unit. Can you help me find a site or somewhere with = information on the GCX unit i need??? Thanks!!! ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B03F.DCB8A080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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      =20
       I been trying to locate a = website or=20 place that will give me more information on a GCX ground control unit. = My idol=20 guitarist, Jerry Horton of PAPA ROACH uses a GCX ground control MIDI = foot=20 switch for MIDI changes. What does that do??? Does change sounds of = the guitar=20 like a distortion pedal??? I went to GuitarGeek.com just to find no = luck in=20 finding that unit. Can you help me find a site or somewhere with = information=20 on the GCX unit i need???=20 Thanks!!!
 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1B03F.DCB8A080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 20:54:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10156; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:53:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:53:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: Martha Stewart Waste BAsket Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:48:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c1b042$b7af65a0$1e8ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1B018.CEDAE440" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1B018.CEDAE440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoever suggested this wonderful object was dead on the money. I have been bowing and scrapping at this object all night and I am in love.. MORE Martha!!! The resonance on this waste can is incredible I will be using it at my next show for sure. The only problem is holding it without touching the vibrating parts. THANKS!!! c.white ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1B018.CEDAE440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Whoever = suggested this wonderful object was dead on the money. I have been bowing and scrapping = at this object all night and I am in love…… MORE Martha!!! The = resonance on this waste can is incredible I will be using it at my next show for = sure. The only problem is holding it without touching the vibrating = parts.

THANKS!!!

c.white

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1B018.CEDAE440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 21:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12475; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:11:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:11:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6333B8.1000508@mac.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:11:04 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Glissentar tunings suggestions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Other than standard tuning that is. Anyone experimented with alternate tuning for the Glissentar? -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 7 22:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17338; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:30:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:30:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020207212855.007fa450@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:28:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: question on a GCX unit In-Reply-To: <192.20d3184.29947151@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, why not call GXX ( Digital Music Corporation). Talk to Skip or John. Good guys. 1-800-986-6696. M is for music At 07:09 PM 2/7/02 EST, you wrote: >>>> arialHi, I been trying to locate a website or place that will give me more information on a GCX ground control unit. My idol guitarist, Jerry Horton of PAPA ROACH uses a GCX ground control MIDI foot switch for MIDI changes. What does that do??? Does change sounds of the guitar like a distortion pedal??? I went to GuitarGeek.com just to find no luck in finding that unit. Can you help me find a site or somewhere with information on the GCX unit i need??? Thanks!!! arial arial<<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 04:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06473; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:53:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:53:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:53:29 +0000 Subject: LA loopfest recording confusion.... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>> the mp3s of your performance in LA (was it a loopfest? you know the one, > there were kids running around bringing everyone down to earth. I did indeed play an LA loopfest, but I don't remember kids running around. Hmmm.<<<< Methinks that memories are getting mixed - there was at least one occasion on the rest of my tour that surrounded the LA loop fest when tiny people were running around at the gig (and one particularly bizarre occasion when a four year old chap called Cody decided to jump on my lap, while I was mid tune, and changing basses... :o) ah, doncha just love kids? LA loop fest - no kids that I remember... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 08:19:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18303; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:13:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:13:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:09:12 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Glissentar tunings suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C63CDF8.9274882B@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3C6333B8.1000508@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_uAtcC.A.kdE.178Y8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought the Glissentar looked cool but didn't want to spend any money experimenting, so I converted a twelve string Yamaha thin body to a fretless nylon. I strung it with unison tuned nylons on the top four courses and used two wound nylons for the lower two (singly). I use standard tuning and a D major: D A D F# A D (lower to upper) It is such a wierd instrument. I don't play it enough. Mike Killian Greg Kucharo wrote: > Other than standard tuning that is. Anyone experimented with > alternate tuning for the Glissentar? > > -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 09:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23914; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:55:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:54:12 EST Subject: Re: Glissentar tunings suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com telecaster@mac.com writes: >Anyone experimented with >alternate tuning for the Glissentar? from the low-strings, up: D-G-A-D-G-C (a fairly standard tuning on oud, the instrument on which the glissentar is based.....) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 10:12:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25797; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:11:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:11:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:10:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B2.CF11EBD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B2.CF11EBD0 Content-Type: text/plain This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to? Today I'm listening to the Driftworks box set put out by Big Cat records. 4 cds, Nijiumu live, Paul Schutze Stateless, Thomas Koner Nuuk, and Pauline Oliveros & Randy Raine-Reusch In the Shadow of the Phoenix. Anyone familiar with this collection? I picked it up awhile ago, then it became misplaced during a move, so I just rediscovered it last night. It's definitely setting the vibe for today, because I need to get some writing done for work. Carl Jacobson P.S. I never thanked everyone for their recommendations on the DL-4. I picked it up and I am very happy with it. TThThaThanThankThanks ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B2.CF11EBD0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what = you are all listening to?

 

Today I'm listening to the Driftworks box set put out by Big Cat records. 4 cds, = Nijiumu live, = Paul Schutze Stateless<= /i>, Thomas Koner Nuuk, and Pauline Oliveros & Randy Raine-Reusch In the Shadow of the Phoenix. = Anyone familiar with this collection?  I picked it up awhile ago, = then it became misplaced during a move, so I just rediscovered it last night. It's definitely setting the vibe for today, = because I need to get some writing done for work.

 

Carl Jacobson

P.S. I never thanked everyone for their = recommendations on the DL-4.  I picked it up and = I am very happy with it.

 

TThThaThanThankThanks

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B2.CF11EBD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 10:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26823; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:21:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:21:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Fri, 8 Feb 02 09:45:35 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:19:58 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA26691 Resent-Message-ID: <4BnHR.A.UhG.fz-Y8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I'll bite. Sigur Ros - Von Yes - Relayer Nick Beggs - Stick Insect Genesis - Wind and Wuthering Cosmos TV Series Soundtrack Alice Donut - Bucketfulls of Sickness and Horror in an Otherwise Meaningless Life. Erm....not much looping content. My apologies. -K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 10:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27831; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:34:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:34:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RE: Martha Stewart Waste BAsket Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:30:32 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000201c1b0b5$8c098d90$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B083.416F1D90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c1b042$b7af65a0$1e8ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B083.416F1D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris details, details please. What model, is it plastic, metal? Thanks! Kevin McPeak -----Original Message----- From: christopher white [mailto:magicicada@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Martha Stewart Waste BAsket Whoever suggested this wonderful object was dead on the money. I have been bowing and scrapping at this object all night and I am in love.. MORE Martha!!! The resonance on this waste can is incredible I will be using it at my next show for sure. The only problem is holding it without touching the vibrating parts. THANKS!!! c.white ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B083.416F1D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris details, = details please…

 

What model, is it plastic, = metal?

 

Thanks!

=

Kevin = McPeak

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: christopher white [mailto:magicicada@charter.net]
Sent: = Thursday, February 07, = 2002 7:49 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Martha Stewart = Waste BAsket

 

Whoever = suggested this wonderful object was dead on the money. I have been bowing and scrapping = at this object all night and I am in love…… MORE Martha!!! The resonance on this waste can is incredible I will be using it at my next = show for sure. The only problem is holding it without touching the vibrating = parts.

THANKS!!!

c.white

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B083.416F1D90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 10:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28401; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:35:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:34:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1198940000==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1198940000==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to? Electronique noir, by Eivind Aarset, scandinavian (maybe someone knows Paetter-Molver that plays ih this record): nice. i like it and then in these days I was listening to a very curious musical object from Giovanni Venosta, a friend of mine, published by Chris Cutler's Recommended Records... but I forgot the title. Does anybody here have ever listened to his music? there's a very interesting work he did in couple with Massimo Mariani (I guess it's Recommended Records as well, or maybe it's a canadian label...) transforming an original recording of a flamenco guitar player into a somehow marvellous and terrific sound sculpture... it's not looping but kinda of...if someone is interested I could give some better directions he's actually running at the Berlin Film festival (this week-end) with the last Silvio Soldini movie. Hope the best for him... ciao b:k --============_-1198940000==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: What are we listening to today?
This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to?

Electronique noir, by Eivind Aarset, scandinavian (maybe someone knows Paetter-Molver that plays ih this record): nice. i like it

and then in these days I was listening to a very curious musical object from Giovanni Venosta, a friend of mine, published by Chris Cutler's Recommended Records... but I forgot the title.

Does anybody here have ever listened to his music? there's a very interesting work he did in couple with Massimo Mariani (I guess it's Recommended Records as well, or maybe it's a canadian label...) transforming an original recording of a flamenco guitar player into a somehow marvellous and terrific sound sculpture... it's not looping but kinda of...if someone is interested I could give some better directions

he's actually running at the Berlin Film festival (this week-end) with the last Silvio Soldini movie. Hope the best for him...

ciao

b:k
--============_-1198940000==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 10:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29945; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:48:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:48:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Volcano the Bear The Conet Project The Acid Mothers Temple M.Gira/D.Matz Rapoon Low Pseudo Buddha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 10:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30551; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:53:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:53:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B8.B3D24EE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B8.B3D24EE0 Content-Type: text/plain I was listening to Nils Paetter-Molver Khmer yesterday, great album. Put Miles Davis, Peter Gabriel's Passion and some electronica into a blender. -----Original Message----- From: bruno kleinefeld [mailto:brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to? Electronique noir, by Eivind Aarset, scandinavian (maybe someone knows Paetter-Molver that plays ih this record): nice. i like it and then in these days I was listening to a very curious musical object from Giovanni Venosta, a friend of mine, published by Chris Cutler's Recommended Records... but I forgot the title. Does anybody here have ever listened to his music? there's a very interesting work he did in couple with Massimo Mariani (I guess it's Recommended Records as well, or maybe it's a canadian label...) transforming an original recording of a flamenco guitar player into a somehow marvellous and terrific sound sculpture... it's not looping but kinda of...if someone is interested I could give some better directions he's actually running at the Berlin Film festival (this week-end) with the last Silvio Soldini movie. Hope the best for him... ciao b:k ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B8.B3D24EE0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: What are we listening to today?

I was listening to Nils Paetter-Molver Khmer = yesterday, great album. Put Miles Davis, Peter Gabriel's Passion = and some electronica into a blender.

 

=

-----Original = Message-----
From: bruno kleinefeld [mailto:brunoklein@ideastudioweb.com]
Sent: = Friday, February 08, = 2002 10:35 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: What are we = listening to today?

 

This is always fun to = hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to?

 

Electronique noir, by Eivind Aarset, scandinavian (maybe someone = knows Paetter-Molver that plays ih this record): nice. i like = it

 

and then in these days I was listening to a = very curious musical object from Giovanni Venosta, a friend of mine, = published by Chris Cutler's Recommended Records... but I forgot the = title.

 

Does anybody here have ever listened to his = music? there's a very interesting work he did in couple with Massimo Mariani = (I guess it's Recommended Records as well, or maybe it's a canadian label...) transforming an original recording of a flamenco guitar player into a = somehow marvellous and terrific sound sculpture... it's not looping but kinda = of...if someone is interested I could give some better = directions

 

he's actually running at the Berlin Film = festival (this week-end) with the last Silvio Soldini movie. Hope the best for = him...

 

ciao

 

b:k

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0B8.B3D24EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 11:03:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32579; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:02:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:02:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:08:19 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b0c3$358c8f40$9567580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com J. Coltrane - both Live in Copenhagen w/Dolphy 1962 and Giant Steps w/alt. takes Glenn Phillips - Scratched by the Rabbit Fugazi - red medicine Laura Nyro w/LaBelle - Gonna Take a Miracle A. Holdsworth - Atavachron, actually just the track "All Our Yesterdays" Enron hearings 24-7 Spyz - Harder Than You (playing reunion gig at CB's on my b-day 2/16 - yeah man!) The Beatles - White Album Pedro The Lion - both The Whole EP and Winners Never Quit Deftones - White Pony Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting Peter Gabriel - second solo release myself early Bad Brains boots Tin Machine - II Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 11:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00662; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:03:05 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: question on a GCX unit In-reply-to: <192.20d3184.29947151@aol.com> X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1198937925==_ma============" References: <192.20d3184.29947151@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-9FCdB.A.9J.Ch_Y8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1198937925==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:09 PM -0500 2/07/02, Staplt00@aol.com wrote: > I been trying to locate a website or place that will give me >more information on a GCX ground control unit. My idol guitarist, >Jerry Horton of PAPA ROACH uses a GCX ground control MIDI foot >switch for MIDI changes. What does that do??? Does change sounds of >the guitar like a distortion pedal??? I went to GuitarGeek.com just >to find no luck in finding that unit. Can you help me find a site or >somewhere with information on the GCX unit i need??? Thanks!!! The GCX is a simple switching unit comprised of 8 relay switches. You can switch 8 different effects units in or out of the signal path with it. It doesn't make any sound on its own. People who have a rack mounted pedal drawer often use something like the GCX to switch their pedals in and out. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. --============_-1198937925==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: question on a GCX unit
At 7:09 PM -0500 2/07/02, Staplt00@aol.com wrote:
       I been trying to locate a website or place that will give me more information on a GCX ground control unit. My idol guitarist, Jerry Horton of PAPA ROACH uses a GCX ground control MIDI foot switch for MIDI changes. What does that do??? Does change sounds of the guitar like a distortion pedal??? I went to GuitarGeek.com just to find no luck in finding that unit. Can you help me find a site or somewhere with information on the GCX unit i need??? Thanks!!!

The GCX is a simple switching unit comprised of 8 relay switches. You can switch 8 different effects units in or out of the signal path with it. It doesn't make any sound on its own. People who have a rack mounted pedal drawer often use something like the GCX to switch their pedals in and out.

Chris
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 http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between
    cbm@well.com       | theory and practice. In practice, there is.
--============_-1198937925==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 11:34:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01809; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:33:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:33:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhROtbJepkCtxqElQ5jps3y/a7/9HQIUf/KBbboSgZnbMiGvzKfeNXj54b8= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:32:41 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Message-ID: <3911-3C63FDA9-88@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Christopher White" 's message of Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:49:45 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forever sharp and vivid(just arrived in the mail yesterday.) Outer space employment agency-Sun Ra, Power and the glory-Gentle Giant, Soma-Steve Roach and Robert Rich, Curious Corn- Ozric Tentacles, The Seville concert-John Williams, Olias of Sunhillow-Jon Anderson. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 11:44:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02973; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:43:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:43:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C640F87.9B586C29@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:48:55 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? References: <3911-3C63FDA9-88@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <652ds.A.st.3AAZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William Mcallister wrote: > Forever sharp and vivid(just arrived in the mail yesterday.) Heh, mine copy too! Cool album. -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 11:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03666; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:52:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:52:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:50:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: finally, loop NY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did not in fact expire or move to Bali and I have finally managed to get something rather nice together for New York loopers. Saturday afternoons starting February 23, Chama, a small shop on 4th St and Ave D, will be hosting an Open Loop... continuous live looping from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. There is a $2 admission fee and you'll be able to get tea, coffee and snacks as well as exotic books and bee products! We're going to have at least 12 channels free for people to plug into the board. The space is quite small (there IS a stage, though) so large things like amps and drumkits will be probably be out... Chama is a very comfortable space and I imagine that it's going to be a great hang out scene. The volume level will be comparatively low... there aren't any noise restrictions but it's a Saturday afternoon! It's anticipated that there will be NO ONE playing much of the time, just various loops decaying for a long period. I'll send a further message with the address, phone number and exact times. We'll have the web site up with the details before I make an official announcement. Feel free to just drop in on a whim on the 23rd or any Saturday or send me email offlist if you want to informally fix a time to play. /t -- http://ax.to/fortune ............................ A new fortune every minute! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 12:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06815; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c1b0c4$cad01e40$afa77ad5@oemcomputer> From: "Gordon Elcock" To: References: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:19:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C1B0C4.CA06B3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <04sNXB.A.MoB._kAZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C1B0C4.CA06B3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: What are we listening to today? This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all = listening to? =20 Today I'm listening to the Driftworks box set put out by Big Cat = records. 4 cds, Nijiumu live, Paul Schutze Stateless, Thomas Koner Nuuk, = and Pauline Oliveros & Randy Raine-Reusch In the Shadow of the Phoenix. = Anyone familiar with this collection? I picked it up awhile ago, then = it became misplaced during a move, so I just rediscovered it last night. = It's definitely setting the vibe for today, because I need to get some = writing done for work. All the newly re-released Alice Coltane cds have been on strict rotation = since Tuesday ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C1B0C4.CA06B3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From:=20 CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com =
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This is always fun to = hear, so I'm=20 wondering what you are all listening to?

 

Today I'm listening to = the Driftworks box set put out by Big Cat records. 4 = cds, Nijiumu live,=20 Paul Schutze Stateless,=20 Thomas Koner Nuuk,=20 and Pauline Oliveros & Randy Raine-Reusch In the = Shadow of the=20 Phoenix. Anyone familiar with this=20 collection?  I = picked it up=20 awhile ago, then it became misplaced during = a move,=20 so I just rediscovered it last night. It's definitely setting the vibe = for=20 today, because I need to get some writing done for=20 work.

All the newly = re-released Alice=20 Coltane cds have been on strict rotation since=20 Tuesday

------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C1B0C4.CA06B3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 12:25:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07360; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:24:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c1b0c3$358c8f40$9567580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01c1b0c3$358c8f40$9567580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:10:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loopheadies, NEU! - first album Stoned Asia compilation vol. 3 Harold Budd/Hector Zazou - GLYPH High Fidelity Dub Sessions vol. 2 and 3. these comps kick ass. great track by indian ropeman on vol 2. zero7 - simple things johnny cash - the man in black best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 12:30:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07853; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:20:30 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020208092031-r01010800-0195ad83-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.8 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cinemascape-Orchestral Film Scores streaming MP3 station on Live365 Elliott Sharp-Just about everything Mike Keneally- Wooden Smoke Tenacious D Conlon Nancarrow- Studies for Player Piano Splattercell-Oah Skip James my own stuff while mixing.... On 2/8/02 at 10:10 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to? > > Today I'm listening to the Driftworks box set put out by Big Cat records. 4 > cds, Nijiumu live, Paul Schutze Stateless, Thomas Koner Nuuk, and Pauline > Oliveros & Randy Raine-Reusch In the Shadow of the Phoenix. Anyone familiar > with this collection? I picked it up awhile ago, then it became misplaced > during a move, so I just rediscovered it last night. It's definitely setting > the vibe for today, because I need to get some writing done for work. > > Carl Jacobson > > P.S. I never thanked everyone for their recommendations on the DL-4. I > picked it up and I am very happy with it. > > TThThaThanThankThanks > > _______________________________________________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 12:35:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08317; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:34:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:34:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c1b0c7$24f68240$8b534ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3911-3C63FDA9-88@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:36:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_K_kRB.A.qAC._vAZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lewis Taylor (scary genius bloke) Ed Friedland (looping bass-dude, very fine solo demos, solo album out sometime soon) me (live solo stuff from the States, and trio stuff from France - probably the greatest music you'll ever hear... no, really... :o) Frisell/Holland/Jones (bunch of up and coming new guys, not bad for a first attempt... :o) SPLaTTeRCeLL (very very fine, very very very fine) Jarrett Trio - Inside Out (free improv, pretty good stuff) Dresden (Chilly B's significant other, Nancy's band - bloomin' marvellous singer/songwriter stuff with torch-song/noir/weird stuff elements - definitely one to look out if you can find it - Bill, where can said gem be found????) Andre's recent EDP stuff (though not too often, as my craving for an EDP has already reduced me close to tears listening to mr LaFosse's fine noodlings...) Maxwell - Embrya James Taylor - New Moon Shine POD - Satellite Lucy Kaplansky - Ten Year Night Donny Hathaway - Live Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 12:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09987; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:53:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:53:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020208092031-r01010800-0195ad83-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> References: <20020208092031-r01010800-0195ad83-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:52:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >On 2/8/02 at 10:10 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to? The whir of my hard drive, some bells floating around in a small fountain, random mp3's through a thick wall, rapid-fire key clicking from someone else typing, and the occasional speech of visitors. The audio analyzer on my desk says this is adding up to a Leq of 59 dB SPL, C-weighted over the past ten minutes. The loudest band is 250 Hz. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 12:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10410; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:58:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c1b0ca$31456b80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01c1b0c3$358c8f40$9567580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:55:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * Radiohead- Kid A, Amnesiac, Live * Kartik Sheshadri- Guruvandhana * Weather Report- Sweetnighter * Bob Marley- Rastaman Vibration, Natty Dread * Elvis Presley- Golden Records * Zero 7- "Destiny" and the Simian remix as well- .... and Pedro- I want those Bad Brains boots!!!!! Let's talk- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 12:59:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10417; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:58:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C64113B.714EF816@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:56:11 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? References: <20020208092031-r01010800-0195ad83-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tinitius Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 13:22:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12949; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:21:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:21:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:32:10 -0600 Message-ID: <003201c1b0d7$4d68b710$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <20020208092031-r01010800-0195ad83-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cex: Role Model From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 13:24:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13164; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:23:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:23:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020208122111.00847830@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:21:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-Reply-To: <3911-3C63FDA9-88@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <"Christopher White" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hellen Ready and Olivia Newton John - The Lost Sessions The Mormon Tabernacle Choir Sings John Lennon Michael Jackson - Bedtime Lullabies Dick Dale and Robert Fripp - Pipeline/Starless And Bible Black Sorry.. you knew this was coming. For real? The Mermen M. At 08:32 AM 2/8/02 -0800, you wrote: >Forever sharp and vivid(just arrived in the mail yesterday.) Outer space >employment agency-Sun Ra, Power and the glory-Gentle Giant, Soma-Steve >Roach and Robert Rich, Curious Corn- Ozric Tentacles, The Seville >concert-John Williams, Olias of Sunhillow-Jon Anderson. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 13:54:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15198; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:53:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:53:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: bbrace@mail.wiredmag.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200202081534.KAA28076@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:55:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: { brad brace } Subject: ProTools Free Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone happen to know about this ProTools error message: DAE error -227 ??? The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> since 1994 <<<< + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace + + + eccentric ftp://ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace + + + continuous ftp:// < your site here > + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace + + + imagery ftp://ftp.pacifier.com/pub/users/bbrace News://alt.binaries.pictures.12hr ://a.b.p.fine-art.misc Reverse Solidus: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/ Mirror: http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html { brad brace } <<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 13:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15558; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:57:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:57:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:57:24 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20020208105725-r01010800-5946f610-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.8 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for this grossly off topic post, but I think the members of this list are a shrewd and opinionated bunch when it comes to this topic. Computer graphics pioneer Alvy Ray Smith is oft quoted as saying that; "Reality is 80 million polygons per second". I have wondered lately if there is an audio version of this idea. If analog recording is the most realistic of sound recording techniques, then what is the required resolution of digital going to need to be to fool/satisfy even the most anti-Digital of audiophiles. This is of course grossly simplifying the analog vs digital debate, but the question is how to make digital, which is obviously not going away, achieve the positive benefits of tape recording. Just a thought... bonus question- Tips on making a decent hybrid of digital and analog home studios. The sound of analog with the flexibility of digital. I know, it's a huge question. _______________________________________________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17183; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:03:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020208105858.0228dbb8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:00:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020208122111.00847830@mail.airmail.net> References: <3911-3C63FDA9-88@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <"Christopher White" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:21 PM 2002/02/08 -0600, Michael wrote: >For real? The Mermen ditto At 06:56 PM 2002/02/08 +0100, Claude wrote: >tinitius ditto (see above) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17611; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.224a4303.29957c36@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:08:38 EST Subject: JP's Playlist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b.224a4303.29957c36_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2b.224a4303.29957c36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is really the stuff which makes bein on this list exiciting, informative and essential. Moments like these are where I know in the past I have had many doors opened up to new music of which i was completely unaware of them existing alongwith finding newer/better ideas and newer/fresher ways of thinking about music and my relationship with music. all this helps all of us regardless as to what path we may be on for ourselves. Currently on My playlist ( with various commentary): James Blood Ulmer: Are you gald to be in america *Since Calvin Weston is gonna be the drummer for AKASH next Monday, methinks I should perhaps be prepared for him :) Split Enz: Waiatu (sp?) I Love the new wave creepiness to these tunes and the catchy hooks. Anybody Remember seein them on bandstand? Talk Talk: Laughing Stock This is clearly their best & final Album and one of my fave albums of all time. Talk Talk coulda been say sorta like Phil collins or more like Steve Winwood and just as successful (IMHO) if they had stayed on the "path" of a certain predictability. but they chose to end up at Laughing stock & they were mostly ignored in the end...but I know me and others heard Talk Talk clearly & I still hear every note on this fine goodbye and see it as a treasure) Marc Almond: The Stars we are I love this torch song electro album which also happens to be the last ever recording NICO ever appeared on before departing her body. The Fixx: reach the beach Still just as Sharp, Angular and Colorful sounding as much as it was in the 80's as it is now...recently heard a cover of one things leads to another in a car commericial. Pil: Flowers of Romance Jah Wobble Amazes me...Dont know if it is true...but I heard he wasnt even playing a full yr when he joined pil and nailed that distinct bass sound... is that true? The The: Soul Mining & Infected Sweet Slag: Tracking with Close Ups-President Records 1971. I have had this record since 1984. Bought it on a whim as it only cost me a quarter. Sweet Slag is powerful, way dark, very prog feeling & somewhat free jazz leaning. i hadnt listened to this particular record since 1984 becasue at the time i bought it & listened to it i thought it was way weird and sorta like the king crimson stuff my werid neighbor liked...which was again weird... but after listening to it again this year, im totally blown away and would love to know more about Sweet Slag and any other releases they may have made..( Dr. Z-Do you know or remeber anything about them?) ...i searched the web extensively only to find this particular album I have turning up in buy-want lists for record collectors everywhere. But for all i searched and for what I found, there isnt any definitive info on what happened to the band or any of its personnel. But If anybody out there who may remember this group or knows anything about them or where there is info u can point me to about them, i would deeply appreciate it as i find myself becoming an avid record collector as i advance into my 30's :) Chick Corea: Trio Music Live in europe ECM Records...This has always been my fave Chick corea Album and I just cant shake its vibe or ever get tired of hearing it...goes bk to my summer of discovery in 1987, i guess. Shannon Jackson: Bar B Que- Dog This album was given to me by a friend of my older sister back in the summer of 87 and it forever changed my life in terms of listening and hearing music and also how up until then i could conceive could play together. this one album woke me up and started me to look for something i didnt even know could exist. Duran Duran: Decadence Not the most popular thing to say you love these days, but I always saw them as having just as much talent as they did in looks & Hooks. and I think they played the part of Pop-rock Stars better than the stars we get today for 1.5 yrs and then somtheting else. Annette Peacock: X-Dreams This is a great Disc which was apparently way too ahead of its time...her new disc on ECM is getting rave reviews it seems( acrobats heart) but i just dont get it like i do this album. Anne Magnuson: the Love Show Nowhere near as wild or as coherently incoherent as Bongwater, but still a fun and funny disc with cool characterizations. The Police: Ghost in The Machine Simple Intelligent Pop that sold quite well. this album was always my fave album from them. Spearhead: Chocolate Supa Highway Tin Machine ehhhh Vey Baby Live Maybe Im not alone in diggin tin machine here :) but i remember bk in the - way back - machine how everyone hated tin machine and how i thought it was actually the best stuff bowie did since scary monsters. I still feel the same way. Tears for Fears: songs from the big chair This is a dessert Island Disc for me as I BELIEVE is one of my all time fave songs ever as is Head over Heels one of my favorite pop songs ever. Eurhythmics: 1984 Soft Cell: The Art of Falling Apart ( i love the hendrix covers they do here) Grace Jones: Greatest Hits Double CD Japan: tin Drum Another Dessert Island Disc Elvis Costello & The attractions: Blood & Chocolate...Think this was the last album with the attractions on it. but I want You, tokyo Storm warning, Batterd old Bird and many others hit the mark for me. Ornette Coleman-Pat Metheny: song X I found this album soon after Bar B Que Dog and I soon developed a great appreciation for Ornette coleman and all the music & various ornette related or associated projects which have srung up and occured due to his influecne as al of those branches of his tree are deep passions of mine to explore as his roots are deep in not just jazz but even in heavy metal. "Soundtrack" from the movie "Diva" Another Dessert Island Disc from cuts like debussy's La wally to odd compositions & loops and many great structures of sound and some early-euro kitsch-borderline new wave stuff which is also in that sharp and angular vein of music. Julia fordham: Swept I love the voice, pop, schmaltz and tenderness...JF and everything but the girl are my (not so secret anymore ) passions. Also Dont forget to Ck out our AKASHRADIO @ MP3.COM we feature many artists there other than AKASH :) http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html Seeya @ Tritone on Monday Nite!!!! Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html --part1_2b.224a4303.29957c36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is really the stuff which makes bein on this list exiciting, informative and essential.

Moments like these are where I know in the past I have had many doors opened up to new music of which i was completely unaware of them existing alongwith finding newer/better ideas and newer/fresher ways of thinking about music and my relationship with music. all this helps all of us regardless as to what path we may be on for ourselves.

Currently on My playlist ( with various commentary):

James Blood Ulmer: Are you gald to be in america
*Since Calvin Weston is gonna be the drummer for AKASH next Monday, methinks I should perhaps be prepared for him :)

Split Enz: Waiatu (sp?)
I Love the new wave creepiness to these tunes and the catchy hooks. Anybody Remember seein them on bandstand?

Talk Talk: Laughing Stock
This is clearly their best & final Album and one of my fave albums of all time.
Talk Talk coulda been say sorta like Phil collins or more like Steve Winwood and just as successful (IMHO) if they had stayed on the "path" of a certain predictability. but they chose to end up at Laughing stock & they were mostly ignored in the end...but I know me and others heard Talk Talk clearly & I still hear every note on this fine goodbye and see it as a treasure)

Marc Almond: The Stars we are
I love this torch song electro album which also happens to be the last ever recording NICO ever appeared on before departing her body.

The Fixx: reach the beach
Still just as Sharp, Angular and Colorful sounding as much as it was in the 80's as it is now...recently heard a cover of one things leads to another in a car commericial.

Pil: Flowers of Romance
Jah Wobble Amazes me...Dont know if it is true...but I heard he wasnt even playing a full yr when he joined pil and nailed that distinct bass sound... is that true?

The The: Soul Mining & Infected

Sweet Slag: Tracking with Close Ups-President Records 1971.

I have had this record since 1984. Bought it on a whim as it only cost me a quarter. Sweet Slag  is powerful, way dark, very prog feeling & somewhat free jazz leaning. i hadnt listened to this particular record since 1984 becasue at the time i bought it & listened to it i thought it was way weird and sorta like the king crimson stuff my werid neighbor liked...which was again weird...
but after listening to it again this year, im totally blown away and would love to know more about Sweet Slag and any other releases they may have made..( Dr. Z-Do you know or remeber anything about them?) ...i searched the web extensively only to find this particular album I have turning up in buy-want lists for record collectors everywhere. But for all i searched and for what I found, there isnt any definitive info on what happened to the band or any of its personnel. But If anybody out there who may remember this group or knows anything about them or where there is info u can point me to about them, i would deeply appreciate it as i find myself becoming an avid record collector as i advance into my 30's :)

Chick Corea: Trio Music Live in europe ECM Records...This has always been my fave Chick corea Album and I just cant shake its vibe or ever get tired of hearing it...goes bk to my summer of discovery in 1987, i guess.

Shannon Jackson: Bar B Que- Dog
This album was given to me by a friend of my older sister back in the summer of 87 and it forever changed my life in terms of listening and hearing music and also how up until then i could conceive could play together. this one album woke me up and started me to look for something i didnt even know could exist.

Duran Duran: Decadence
Not the most popular thing to say you  love these days, but I always saw them as having just as much talent as they did in looks & Hooks. and I think they played the part of Pop-rock Stars better than the stars we get today for 1.5 yrs and then somtheting else.

Annette Peacock: X-Dreams
This is a great Disc which was apparently way too ahead of its time...her new disc on ECM is getting rave reviews it seems( acrobats heart) but i just dont get it like i do this album.

Anne Magnuson: the Love Show
Nowhere near as wild or as coherently incoherent as Bongwater, but still a fun and funny disc with cool characterizations.

The Police: Ghost in The Machine
Simple Intelligent Pop that sold quite well. this album was always my fave album from them.

Spearhead: Chocolate Supa Highway

Tin Machine ehhhh Vey Baby Live
Maybe Im not alone in diggin tin machine here :)
but i remember bk in the - way back - machine how everyone hated tin machine and how i thought it was actually the best stuff bowie did since scary monsters. I still feel the same way.

Tears for Fears: songs from the big chair
This is a dessert Island Disc for me as I BELIEVE is one of my all time fave songs ever as is Head over Heels one of my favorite pop songs ever.

Eurhythmics: 1984

Soft Cell: The Art of Falling Apart
( i love the hendrix covers they do here)

Grace Jones: Greatest Hits Double CD

Japan: tin Drum
Another Dessert Island Disc

Elvis Costello & The attractions: Blood & Chocolate...Think this was the last album with the attractions on it. but I want You, tokyo Storm warning, Batterd old Bird and many others hit the mark for me.

Ornette Coleman-Pat Metheny: song X
I found this album soon after Bar B Que Dog and I soon developed a great appreciation for Ornette coleman and all the music & various ornette related or associated projects which have srung up and occured due to his influecne as al of those branches of his tree are deep passions of mine to explore as his roots  are deep in not just jazz but even in heavy metal.

"Soundtrack" from the movie "Diva"
Another Dessert Island Disc from cuts like debussy's La wally to odd compositions & loops and many great structures of sound and some early-euro kitsch-borderline new wave stuff which is also in that sharp and angular vein of music.

Julia fordham: Swept
I love the voice, pop, schmaltz and tenderness...JF and everything but the girl are my (not so secret anymore ) passions.

Also Dont forget to Ck out our AKASHRADIO @ MP3.COM we feature many artists there other than AKASH :)

http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html

Seeya @ Tritone on Monday Nite!!!!

Warm Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html --part1_2b.224a4303.29957c36_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18496; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020208191535.94233.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020208105725-r01010800-5946f610-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try http://www.digido.com/analog_versus_digital.html and use one of these http://www.rogernichols.com/DAClock.html --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > Sorry for this grossly off topic post, but I think the members of > this list > are a shrewd and opinionated bunch when it comes to this topic. > > Computer graphics pioneer Alvy Ray Smith is oft quoted as saying > that; > "Reality is 80 million polygons per second". I have wondered lately > if there is > an audio version of this idea. If analog recording is the most > realistic of > sound recording techniques, then what is the required resolution of > digital > going to need to be to fool/satisfy even the most anti-Digital of > audiophiles. > This is of course grossly simplifying the analog vs digital debate, > but the > question is how to make digital, which is obviously not going away, > achieve the > positive benefits of tape recording. > > > Just a thought... > > > bonus question- Tips on making a decent hybrid of digital and analog > home > studios. The sound of analog with the flexibility of digital. I know, > it's a > huge question. > _______________________________________________________________ > Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam > possit materiari? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19256; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:23:20 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <6c.172468b8.29957fa8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stooges - Funhouse Gang of Four - Entertainment Miles Davis - Dark Magus Ween - The Pod Legendary Pink Dots - The Maria Dimension From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19930; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:29:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:29:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020208192842.56939.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:28:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020208105725-r01010800-5946f610-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a good one too http://www.digido.com/morebits.html --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > Sorry for this grossly off topic post, but I think the members of > this list > are a shrewd and opinionated bunch when it comes to this topic. > > Computer graphics pioneer Alvy Ray Smith is oft quoted as saying > that; > "Reality is 80 million polygons per second". I have wondered lately > if there is > an audio version of this idea. If analog recording is the most > realistic of > sound recording techniques, then what is the required resolution of > digital > going to need to be to fool/satisfy even the most anti-Digital of > audiophiles. > This is of course grossly simplifying the analog vs digital debate, > but the > question is how to make digital, which is obviously not going away, > achieve the > positive benefits of tape recording. > > > Just a thought... > > > bonus question- Tips on making a decent hybrid of digital and analog > home > studios. The sound of analog with the flexibility of digital. I know, > it's a > huge question. > _______________________________________________________________ > Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam > possit materiari? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:30:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19257; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:24:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:24:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:27:16 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tool-Lateralus Nancy Griffith-Late Night Grand Hotel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:32:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20377; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JP's Playlist Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0D7.3BBDDB80" Resent-Message-ID: <_GL3kB.A.r8E.WeCZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0D7.3BBDDB80 Content-Type: text/plain I just watched Diva for the first time last weekend. Great movie and a cool soundtrack -----Original Message----- From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JP's Playlist This is really the stuff which makes bein on this list exiciting, informative and essential. Moments like these are where I know in the past I have had many doors opened up to new music of which i was completely unaware of them existing alongwith finding newer/better ideas and newer/fresher ways of thinking about music and my relationship with music. all this helps all of us regardless as to what path we may be on for ourselves. Currently on My playlist ( with various commentary): James Blood Ulmer: Are you gald to be in america *Since Calvin Weston is gonna be the drummer for AKASH next Monday, methinks I should perhaps be prepared for him :) Split Enz: Waiatu (sp?) I Love the new wave creepiness to these tunes and the catchy hooks. Anybody Remember seein them on bandstand? Talk Talk: Laughing Stock This is clearly their best & final Album and one of my fave albums of all time. Talk Talk coulda been say sorta like Phil collins or more like Steve Winwood and just as successful (IMHO) if they had stayed on the "path" of a certain predictability. but they chose to end up at Laughing stock & they were mostly ignored in the end...but I know me and others heard Talk Talk clearly & I still hear every note on this fine goodbye and see it as a treasure) Marc Almond: The Stars we are I love this torch song electro album which also happens to be the last ever recording NICO ever appeared on before departing her body. The Fixx: reach the beach Still just as Sharp, Angular and Colorful sounding as much as it was in the 80's as it is now...recently heard a cover of one things leads to another in a car commericial. Pil: Flowers of Romance Jah Wobble Amazes me...Dont know if it is true...but I heard he wasnt even playing a full yr when he joined pil and nailed that distinct bass sound... is that true? The The: Soul Mining & Infected Sweet Slag: Tracking with Close Ups-President Records 1971. I have had this record since 1984. Bought it on a whim as it only cost me a quarter. Sweet Slag is powerful, way dark, very prog feeling & somewhat free jazz leaning. i hadnt listened to this particular record since 1984 becasue at the time i bought it & listened to it i thought it was way weird and sorta like the king crimson stuff my werid neighbor liked...which was again weird... but after listening to it again this year, im totally blown away and would love to know more about Sweet Slag and any other releases they may have made..( Dr. Z-Do you know or remeber anything about them?) ...i searched the web extensively only to find this particular album I have turning up in buy-want lists for record collectors everywhere. But for all i searched and for what I found, there isnt any definitive info on what happened to the band or any of its personnel. But If anybody out there who may remember this group or knows anything about them or where there is info u can point me to about them, i would deeply appreciate it as i find myself becoming an avid record collector as i advance into my 30's :) Chick Corea: Trio Music Live in europe ECM Records...This has always been my fave Chick corea Album and I just cant shake its vibe or ever get tired of hearing it...goes bk to my summer of discovery in 1987, i guess. Shannon Jackson: Bar B Que- Dog This album was given to me by a friend of my older sister back in the summer of 87 and it forever changed my life in terms of listening and hearing music and also how up until then i could conceive could play together. this one album woke me up and started me to look for something i didnt even know could exist. Duran Duran: Decadence Not the most popular thing to say you love these days, but I always saw them as having just as much talent as they did in looks & Hooks. and I think they played the part of Pop-rock Stars better than the stars we get today for 1.5 yrs and then somtheting else. Annette Peacock: X-Dreams This is a great Disc which was apparently way too ahead of its time...her new disc on ECM is getting rave reviews it seems( acrobats heart) but i just dont get it like i do this album. Anne Magnuson: the Love Show Nowhere near as wild or as coherently incoherent as Bongwater, but still a fun and funny disc with cool characterizations. The Police: Ghost in The Machine Simple Intelligent Pop that sold quite well. this album was always my fave album from them. Spearhead: Chocolate Supa Highway Tin Machine ehhhh Vey Baby Live Maybe Im not alone in diggin tin machine here :) but i remember bk in the - way back - machine how everyone hated tin machine and how i thought it was actually the best stuff bowie did since scary monsters. I still feel the same way. Tears for Fears: songs from the big chair This is a dessert Island Disc for me as I BELIEVE is one of my all time fave songs ever as is Head over Heels one of my favorite pop songs ever. Eurhythmics: 1984 Soft Cell: The Art of Falling Apart ( i love the hendrix covers they do here) Grace Jones: Greatest Hits Double CD Japan: tin Drum Another Dessert Island Disc Elvis Costello & The attractions: Blood & Chocolate...Think this was the last album with the attractions on it. but I want You, tokyo Storm warning, Batterd old Bird and many others hit the mark for me. Ornette Coleman-Pat Metheny: song X I found this album soon after Bar B Que Dog and I soon developed a great appreciation for Ornette coleman and all the music & various ornette related or associated projects which have srung up and occured due to his influecne as al of those branches of his tree are deep passions of mine to explore as his roots are deep in not just jazz but even in heavy metal. "Soundtrack" from the movie "Diva" Another Dessert Island Disc from cuts like debussy's La wally to odd compositions & loops and many great structures of sound and some early-euro kitsch-borderline new wave stuff which is also in that sharp and angular vein of music. Julia fordham: Swept I love the voice, pop, schmaltz and tenderness...JF and everything but the girl are my (not so secret anymore ) passions. Also Dont forget to Ck out our AKASHRADIO @ MP3.COM we feature many artists there other than AKASH :) http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html Seeya @ Tritone on Monday Nite!!!! Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0D7.3BBDDB80 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just watched = Diva for the first time last weekend.  = Great movie and a cool soundtrack

 

=

-----Original = Message-----
From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com = [mailto:AKASHMUSIC@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February = 08, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: JP's = Playlist

 

This is really the stuff = which makes bein on this list exiciting, informative and essential.

Moments like these are where I know in the past I have had many doors = opened up to new music of which i was completely unaware of them existing = alongwith finding newer/better ideas and newer/fresher ways of thinking about = music and my relationship with music. all this helps all of us regardless as to = what path we may be on for ourselves.

Currently on My playlist ( with various commentary):

James Blood Ulmer: Are you gald to be in america
*Since Calvin Weston is gonna be the drummer for AKASH next Monday, = methinks I should perhaps be prepared for him :)

Split Enz: Waiatu (sp?)
I Love the new wave creepiness to these tunes and the catchy hooks. = Anybody Remember seein them on bandstand?

Talk Talk: Laughing Stock
This is clearly their best & final Album and one of my fave albums = of all time.
Talk Talk coulda been say sorta like Phil collins or more like Steve = Winwood and just as successful (IMHO) if they had stayed on the = "path" of a certain predictability. but they chose to end up at Laughing stock = & they were mostly ignored in the end...but I know me and others heard Talk Talk = clearly & I still hear every note on this fine goodbye and see it as a = treasure)

Marc Almond: The Stars we are
I love this torch song electro album which also happens to be the last = ever recording NICO ever appeared on before departing her body.

The Fixx: reach the beach
Still just as Sharp, Angular and Colorful sounding as much as it was in = the 80's as it is now...recently heard a cover of one things leads to = another in a car commericial.

Pil: Flowers of Romance
Jah Wobble Amazes me...Dont know if it is true...but I heard he wasnt = even playing a full yr when he joined pil and nailed that distinct bass = sound... is that true?

The The: Soul Mining & Infected

Sweet Slag: Tracking with Close Ups-President Records 1971.

I have had this record since 1984. Bought it on a whim as it only cost = me a quarter. Sweet Slag  is powerful, way dark, very prog feeling = & somewhat free jazz leaning. i hadnt listened to this particular record = since 1984 becasue at the time i bought it & listened to it i thought it = was way weird and sorta like the king crimson stuff my werid neighbor = liked...which was again weird...
but after listening to it again this year, im totally blown away and = would love to know more about Sweet Slag and any other releases they may have = made..( Dr. Z-Do you know or remeber anything about them?) ...i searched the web extensively only to find this particular album I have turning up in = buy-want lists for record collectors everywhere. But for all i searched and for = what I found, there isnt any definitive info on what happened to the band or = any of its personnel. But If anybody out there who may remember this group or = knows anything about them or where there is info u can point me to about = them, i would deeply appreciate it as i find myself becoming an avid record = collector as i advance into my 30's :)

Chick Corea: Trio Music Live in europe ECM Records...This has always = been my fave Chick corea Album and I just cant shake its vibe or ever get tired = of hearing it...goes bk to my summer of discovery in 1987, i guess.

Shannon Jackson: Bar B Que- Dog
This album was given to me by a friend of my older sister back in the = summer of 87 and it forever changed my life in terms of listening and hearing = music and also how up until then i could conceive could play together. this one = album woke me up and started me to look for something i didnt even know could = exist.

Duran Duran: Decadence
Not the most popular thing to say you  love these days, but I = always saw them as having just as much talent as they did in looks & Hooks. = and I think they played the part of Pop-rock Stars better than the stars we = get today for 1.5 yrs and then somtheting else.

Annette Peacock: X-Dreams
This is a great Disc which was apparently way too ahead of its = time...her new disc on ECM is getting rave reviews it seems( acrobats heart) but i = just dont get it like i do this album.

Anne Magnuson: the Love Show
Nowhere near as wild or as coherently incoherent as Bongwater, but = still a fun and funny disc with cool characterizations.

The Police: Ghost in The Machine
Simple Intelligent Pop that sold quite well. this album was always my = fave album from them.

Spearhead: Chocolate Supa Highway

Tin Machine ehhhh Vey Baby Live
Maybe Im not alone in diggin tin machine here :)
but i remember bk in the - way back - machine how everyone hated tin = machine and how i thought it was actually the best stuff bowie did since scary monsters. I still feel the same way.

Tears for Fears: songs from the big chair
This is a dessert Island Disc for me as I BELIEVE is one of my all time = fave songs ever as is Head over Heels one of my favorite pop songs ever.

Eurhythmics: 1984

Soft Cell: The Art of Falling Apart
( i love the hendrix covers they do here)

Grace Jones: Greatest Hits Double CD

Japan: tin Drum
Another Dessert Island Disc

Elvis Costello & The attractions: Blood & Chocolate...Think = this was the last album with the attractions on it. but I want You, tokyo Storm = warning, Batterd old Bird and many others hit the mark for me.

Ornette Coleman-Pat Metheny: song X
I found this album soon after Bar B Que Dog and I soon developed a = great appreciation for Ornette coleman and all the music & various = ornette related or associated projects which have srung up and occured due to = his influecne as al of those branches of his tree are deep passions of mine = to explore as his roots  are deep in not just jazz but even in heavy = metal.

"Soundtrack" from the movie "Diva"
Another Dessert Island Disc from cuts like debussy's La wally to odd compositions & loops and many great structures of sound and some = early-euro kitsch-borderline new wave stuff which is also in that sharp and = angular vein of music.

Julia fordham: Swept
I love the voice, pop, schmaltz and tenderness...JF and everything but = the girl are my (not so secret anymore ) passions.

Also Dont forget to Ck out our AKASHRADIO @ MP3.COM we feature many = artists there other than AKASH :)

http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html

Seeya @ Tritone on Monday Nite!!!!

Warm Regards,
John Price/AKASH
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html=

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B0D7.3BBDDB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:43:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21234; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c1b0d8$d3556ca0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <20020208191535.94233.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:43:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That clock looks very interesting indeed- I can't seem to find any sales info- do you have further info? I have heard that a good master clock in a studio makes a big difference- last issue of EQ had an article I think- Thanks- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound > Try > http://www.digido.com/analog_versus_digital.html > and use one of these > http://www.rogernichols.com/DAClock.html > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > Sorry for this grossly off topic post, but I think the members of > > this list > > are a shrewd and opinionated bunch when it comes to this topic. > > > > Computer graphics pioneer Alvy Ray Smith is oft quoted as saying > > that; > > "Reality is 80 million polygons per second". I have wondered lately > > if there is > > an audio version of this idea. If analog recording is the most > > realistic of > > sound recording techniques, then what is the required resolution of > > digital > > going to need to be to fool/satisfy even the most anti-Digital of > > audiophiles. > > This is of course grossly simplifying the analog vs digital debate, > > but the > > question is how to make digital, which is obviously not going away, > > achieve the > > positive benefits of tape recording. > > > > > > Just a thought... > > > > > > bonus question- Tips on making a decent hybrid of digital and analog > > home > > studios. The sound of analog with the flexibility of digital. I know, > > it's a > > huge question. > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam > > possit materiari? > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:46:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21562; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:45:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:45:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020208194520.95631.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200202081910.OAA17760@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jane sibberry- MARIA and WHEN I WAS A BOY nine inch nails- the fragile still (new ep) michael brook- cobalt blue (so good...never tire of it) meself- when playing...trying to LISTEN more and think less, to be concious of how and what i'm playing, but to DISCERN rather than analyze probably throw on meshell ndegeocello when i head out later peace to all, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 14:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22210; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:49:02 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C642BAE.6210E51F@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200202081723.MAA07073@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jah Wobble Nina Simone - My Baby Just Cares For Me XTC - Nonesuch, Black Sea me - a 70 minute improv on thumbpiano recorded in stereo with both mics going thru separate delays, pitchshift, and phaser. Good for working to. Morrocan Trance Music II - SUFI Amampondo - Drums For Tomorrow( a mostly marimba ensemble from S. Africa) Mouse On Mars - Niun Niggung Bettie Serveert Brave New Waves - CBC late night radio Nick Cave - The Boatman's Call Bruce Cockburn - Sunwheel Dance Hi all, I'm new to the list. Here's a list of some of the stuff I employ to aid me in my spacequest: Roland - GR300, GR700, GR77b, Juno 106 Ibanez - IMG 2010 Korg - X911, EX800 Yamaha - SHS10, FB01, DX100 Casio - CX101, SK1, Rapman Suzuki - Omnichord OM200m(with midi) FX - Digitech S200, Art Multiverb III, Yamaha EMP100, Roland DEP 3, Aria Echo Chamber(runs on an 8-track tape! Anyone else ever seen one of these?) A cool feature about the EMP100 is the triple pitchshift patch - you can get 4 different notes(1 original + 3 generated) from one. Wild for vocals. Any other devices that do this? I'm looking for a *real* looping device and I have lots to learn about them, so I'll be mostly lurking, but with enthusiasm! And I'll be keeping an eye out for that M.Stewart wastebasket... Ciao, Shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:02:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24043; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:00:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:00:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C642E0C.D9D87D82@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:59:08 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: whar are we etc etc References: <200202081932.OAA20490@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mozart the Aegyptian. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:08:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24565; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:07:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:07:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:11:04 -0800 Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...what's still loaded into the CD player on my stereo: Terje Rypdal & the Chasers: Blue Popol Vuh: Tantric Songs/Hosianna Mantra Robert Fripp: Let the Power Fall Brian Eno: Ambient 4 On Land ...what's in my car's CD player (or near to it): Tom Lehrer compilation U2: All That You Can't Leave Behind The Edge: Captive K. D. Lang: Live by Request King Crimson: Three of a Perfect Pair (anniversary edition) Tangerine Dream: Ricochet Steely Dan: Aja Elvis Costello: All This Useless Beauty ...what's listed in iTunes: some of my own stuff from the last couple weeks -- I've just started making MP3s some of Ted Killian's pieces ...what I almost listed to be perverse but haven't actually listened to in a while: Ian & Sylvia Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:10:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25164; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:13:14 -0800 Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? From: Mark Hamburg To: , Michael Clark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020208122111.00847830@mail.airmail.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/8/02 10:21 AM, Michael Clark at mcl451@airmail.net wrote: > Dick Dale and Robert Fripp - Pipeline/Starless And Bible Black That's a combo I'd love to hear. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:15:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25692; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:13:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:13:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:13:22 -0800 From: glenn Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MS_Mac_OE_3096015202_222769_MIME_Part User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3096015202_222769_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit what you are all listening to? a cd made for a friend in a cage that's locked from the inside. Someone who lost a love, a job, a big chunk of faith. Even if it doesn't work for her, the songs sound pretty good together . Plenty of loops here - just not so many on this cd. >From here to there - Kevin Gilbert Living inside myself - Gino Vanelli Live Line - Harry Nilsson Don't Give up - Peter Gabirel and Kate Bush Love Alone - Utopia Show them what you're made of - Nik Kershaw God watch over you - Frances Ruffel Emmanuel - Jonatha Brooke and Kevin Gilbert Healing Love - Cliff Richard and Nik Kershaw One Thing - Ginny Owens and Brent Bourgeois I wanna change the score - Tony Banks and Nik Kershaw Do I love you? Roddy Frame/Aztec Camera Downtown Lights - The Blue Nile I was brought to me senses - Sting Remember - Harry Nilsson Spectral Mornings - Steve Hackett --MS_Mac_OE_3096015202_222769_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: What are we listening to today?
what you are all listening to?

a cd made for a friend in a cage that's locked from the inside. Someone who= lost a love, a job, a big chunk of faith. Even if it doesn't work for her, = the songs sound pretty good together . Plenty of loops here - just not so ma= ny on this cd.

>From here to there - Kevin Gilbert
Living inside myself - Gino Vanelli
Live Line - Harry Nilsson
Don't Give up - Peter Gabirel and Kate Bush
Love Alone - Utopia
Show them what you're made of - Nik Kershaw
God watch over you - Frances Ruffel
Emmanuel - Jonatha Brooke and Kevin Gilbert
Healing Love - Cliff Richard and Nik Kershaw
One Thing - Ginny Owens and Brent Bourgeois
I wanna change the score - Tony Banks and Nik Kershaw
Do I love you? Roddy Frame/Aztec Camera
Downtown Lights - The Blue Nile
I was brought to me senses - Sting
Remember - Harry Nilsson
Spectral Mornings - Steve Hackett


--MS_Mac_OE_3096015202_222769_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26460; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C64331B.2E2EC9D5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:20:34 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF gig spam reminder References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Just wanted to remind you that Jon Wagner and I will be doing a show at Artist's Television Access, on Valencia and 21st tonight in San Francisco. Loops galore! We'll be playing from 8 until 9, and then there will be a showing of Otnemem (the movie Memento, edited so it plays forward) afterwards. Come up and say hello, eh? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:31:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27123; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:30:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:30:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0595836E@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:29:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com b. baldan & d. torn's "earthbeat" the new nine inch nails live one a jam i did a couple weeks ago with cyrus chestnut m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:53:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28428; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:52:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:52:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:52:09 -0500 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Message-ID: <20020208155209.F30172@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com on Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:10:56AM -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:10:56AM -0500, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to? Well, since you ask and the lists so far look interesting.. ;-> in the headphones as I type: Clockhammer - Clockhammer the pile of cds on my desk at work: Don Caballero - Singles Breaking Up Robert Fripp & the League Crafty Guitarists Live! Jawbox - For Your Own Special Sweetheart Steve Howe - Not Necessarily Acoustic Japan Air - (see http://www.japanairband.com, friends band..) Blue Man Group - Audio Slayer - Reign in Blood Fripp & Eno - Evening Star (loop content even!) Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas Helmet - Betty Blind Idiot God - Undertow Buckethead - Somewhere over the slaughterhouse at home: Lake Trout - Alone at last Leo Kotke - shout towards noon something else ;-> Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 15:55:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29026; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:58:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Steve, thanks for the kind words about the Dresden CD, It is available directly from us, and nearly out of print. You can reach me directly if interested at chillyb@cruzio.com. On the the CD player as of late: Ambient 1 Music for Airports, Brian Eno (just recently bought the CD, and it is still a classic) Rain Dogs,Mule Variations, Tom Waits (an artist always taking risks) Dummy,Portishead( yeh I know it ain't new but it bears repeating) Tabula Rasa, Arvo Part ( gourgeous, melancholy, contemporary classical music) String Quartets 1 and 2, Henryk Gorecki performed by the Kronos Quartet (another brilliant contemporary composer) Either/Or,Elliot Smith (a great songwriter) Fan Dance, Sam Phillips (why is this woman not more popular?) Try Whistling This, Neil Finn (great post-beatles songwriting) Kathy Lee Gifford (NOT!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31324; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:06:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been listening mostly to my newly-purchased "Studies for Player Piano" 5-CD set, byt Conlon Nancarrow. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32177; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020208211352.71319.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Latest acquisitions from emusic.com: Material - Seven Souls Praxis - Sacrifist Ginger Baker - Horses and Trees Nicky Skopelitis - Ekstasis Live Meridiem - Full Catastrophe Also: Zap Mama - A Ma Zone Peace, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32343; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:11:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <9eyOKD.A.A2H.y-DZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro Felix -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00347; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:19:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:19:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C64418A.4AC9C27E@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:30:59 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? References: <200202081723.MAA07073@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C642BAE.6210E51F@dlcwest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com prediction for the month of march: martha stewart wastebasket featured on harmony central's "best new tools of the trade list" guitar center buys out last remaining stock. get 'em while they're hot... seriously, i'm going to check my *m.by mail* catalog when i gets home. as for listening: tom verlaine "warm & cool" rykodisc (i just added my two cent review to the television website: www.marquee.demon.co.uk so i've been listening to it a lot...) foibles "solid rock baptist church rummage sale" crank & rattle lester bowie "works" ecm pinback "pinback" ace fu stereolab "the in sound" independent project records (7 inch vinyl) broadcast "work and non-work" drag city syd barrett "the madcap laughs" capitol pell mell "flow" sst (vinyl) wire "pink flag" restless/emi constant: "14 stations"/stockhausen: "zyklus" erato (vinyl) martin denny "exotica vol. 3" liberty (vinyl) cheers, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00805; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:20:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a Bill Laswell Trip are we? Check out Material - Hallucination Engine if you haven't already. I think it's his best work. That Zap Mama album is awesome. Based on your list I think you might also want to check out Ekova -----Original Message----- From: Scott Martin [mailto:coirbidh_99@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:14 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Latest acquisitions from emusic.com: Material - Seven Souls Praxis - Sacrifist Ginger Baker - Horses and Trees Nicky Skopelitis - Ekstasis Live Meridiem - Full Catastrophe Also: Zap Mama - A Ma Zone Peace, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02025; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:27:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020208212709.2765.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:27:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c1b0d8$d3556ca0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5NCA0.A.8d.wKEZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could email Roger Nichols at roger24bit@aol.com, since he designed it. http://www.rogernichols.com/ Roger engineers for Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, and engineered the Steely Dan recordings. Improved clocks reduce jitter, improving the transparency of the audio. http://www.digido.com/jitteressay.html http://www.rogernichols.com/EQ/EQ_2000_02.html Roger has interesting articles here http://www.rogernichols.com/DAEQ.html bret --- "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > That clock looks very interesting indeed- I can't seem to find any > sales > info- do you have further info? I have heard that a good master clock > in a > studio makes a big difference- last issue of EQ had an article I > think- > > Thanks- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bret" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound > > > > Try > > http://www.digido.com/analog_versus_digital.html > > and use one of these > > http://www.rogernichols.com/DAClock.html > > > > --- Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > Sorry for this grossly off topic post, but I think the members of > > > this list > > > are a shrewd and opinionated bunch when it comes to this topic. > > > > > > Computer graphics pioneer Alvy Ray Smith is oft quoted as > saying > > > that; > > > "Reality is 80 million polygons per second". I have wondered > lately > > > if there is > > > an audio version of this idea. If analog recording is the most > > > realistic of > > > sound recording techniques, then what is the required resolution > of > > > digital > > > going to need to be to fool/satisfy even the most anti-Digital of > > > audiophiles. > > > This is of course grossly simplifying the analog vs digital > debate, > > > but the > > > question is how to make digital, which is obviously not going > away, > > > achieve the > > > positive benefits of tape recording. > > > > > > > > > Just a thought... > > > > > > > > > bonus question- Tips on making a decent hybrid of digital and > analog > > > home > > > studios. The sound of analog with the flexibility of digital. I > know, > > > it's a > > > huge question. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax > materiam > > > possit materiari? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04022; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:47:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:47:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c1b0ea$2b395ce0$5fac01d5@oemcomputer> From: "Gordon Elcock" To: References: <20020208092031-r01010800-0195ad83-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> <3C64113B.714EF816@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:47:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? > tinitius > > Claude > ah yes, a constant companion, an absolute bugger when you work nights From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 16:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04821; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:52:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:52:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c1b104$45a03f80$22708242@videotron.ca> From: "perrytam" To: References: <200202082053.PAA28684@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #79 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:54:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I'm a guitarist who play's strictly acoustic guitar in altered tunings with plenty of 2 handed tapping,over the neck percussive playing and multi effects eg E-bow,delay,slide.....? I'd like to know if there are any other acoustic guitarist's trying looping and what have you come up with....Cheers Perry, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #79 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 18:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11703; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:08:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:08:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:12:48 -0800 Subject: EDP multi-loop and feedback feature requests From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c1accb$315b9a70$420e88cf@stevespc> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've spent a fair amount of time in the past couple weeks trying to push my EDP skills. (That's also why I've been annoying the list with more questions...) One of my conclusions from this was that I just decided to supplement my EDP with a second EDP rather than a Repeater. I had thought that my big concern was going to be wanting to go to stereo looping, but after working with the EDP for a while I'm pretty certain the new unit is going to be used for running parallel loops. (FYI: Alto Music's stock is down to 30 some EDPs though there was a bit of tense moment on the phone when the guy I was talking to thought they might only have one left and he had to go check. I also needed to mention the Looper's list to get the $649 price. Even at that price, I still need to get ready for the looks my wife will give me when she tells me I'm over budget. I just need to figure out how to get her to buy an expensive loom...) That being said, for the stuff I'm doing the following items seem like they would be useful enhancements: * An input mode setting with options for input, mute, and "other loop". Other loop happens to be well-defined for me since I tend to work with only two loops. For people with more loops, perhaps this would always referenced the previous loop or the first loop unless we were working with the first loop in which case it would reference the last loop. The input option would work as things do now. The mute option would answer the concerns that have been raised by others about wanting to do things like multiply without adding sound. (If pushed, I could probably live without input mute, but it seemed reasonable to list it here since it's something others seem to want.) The other loop option would allow one to essentially paint with an existing loop. I'm assuming there is some reasonable definition of relative position in the loops that gets applied when doing loop switching. If the loops are the same length, painting with another loop would essentially build density for the material from the other loop. If the loops were of different lengths, all sorts of polyrhythmic combination could ensue. (For those who know Photoshop, think about history brush like effects.) Then there's the issue of where to put it in the UI since that seems to be the sticking point on various features. I could perhaps see this as an optional configuration for mute with the following meanings: short press of mute steps through the input modes -- change takes effect on button up long press of mute mutes the loop -- change takes effect on button up This assumes that one isn't using mute in a rhythmic fashion. * An alternative to Loop v. Delay mode that I will call Mix mode. The basic mechanics would be that when playing, the feedback level would be set to 100 (a la Delay). When multiplying or overdubbing, the feedback pedal would control the mix between existing signal (feedback = 100%) and new signal (feedback = 0%). The point to this would be to let one crossfade in another signal for some portion of the loop. The alternative right now seems to me to be trying to manipulate both a volume pedal and the feedback pedal at the same time. While the output of the Echoplex (prior to the input/loop mix knob) is generally always the looped signal, when working in Mix mode, it should probably be the mixed signal. While one can remain in Loop and Delay mode without switching, this would clearly need a way to switch it in and out. Personally, I would be prepared to sacrifice the Insert switch. Mix mode becomes particularly intriguing when using an existing loop as an input since you can do things like softly erase back to a base loop in spots). * When switching loops in play mode -- i.e., switching from playing one loop to playing another as opposed to switching into the other loop to modify it -- it would be nice if there were an option to do this as a crossfade over say one cycle. I've been working on trying to play over loop transitions, but that means I'm busy both thinking about playing and about picking the best point to abruptly transition loops. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 18:20:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12629; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:19:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:18:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What are we listening to today? Thread-Index: AcGw9uPmEoy9LmQFT/uRxFzKkFlDsA== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA12533 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Magma - 30th aniv box set The Music Emporium - great reish by a 196x killer psych band Conet number stations box set - finally found a copy on GEMM.com. Very creepy. Nivraym - a japaneese magma like band. Great Yma Sumac - bo mambo Senor Coconut y su Conjunto - latin versions of kraftwerk tunes Charles Earland - Ready and Able Boredoms - super 80 Lee Fields - Get a Groove on. Dr Lonnie Smith - Turbanator Free Design - Kites are Fun Stereolab - Peng Alice Cooper - Billion $ Babies live From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 18:25:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13567; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:24:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:24:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04a801c1b0f7$aad549c0$940587d9@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: (Slightly OT) CENTROZOON: Tour Update + 12" Giveaway Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:23:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends, UK Tour - Update: CENTROZOON are pleased to announce that vocalist Tim Bowness (best known for his role in the seminal band No-Man) will now be joining them for all UK dates. Thus the trio configuration for these public engagements will be: * Markus Reuter: Warr Guitar & Loops * Bernhard Wostheinrich: Sythesizers & Electronic Percussion * Tim Bowness: Vocals Commencing in Durham, the tour will take in Exeter, Norwich, plus a newly added date in Cambridge. Full details follow: Date: Saturday 23rd February 2002 Venue: Buddle Arts Centre, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear (www.northtynesidearts.org.uk) Box Office: (0191) 2007132 Date: Tuesday 26th February 2002 Venue: Phoenix Arts Centre, Exeter, Devon (www.exeterphoenix.org.uk) Box Office: (01392) 667080 Date: Thursday 28th February 2002 Venue: The Assembly House Centre, Norwich, Norfolk (www.assemblyhousenorwich.co.uk) Box Office: (01603) 660352 / 'Burning Shed' shop @ www.burningshed.com Note: CENTROZOON share the bill with fellow 'Burning Shed' artists: Roger Eno, Tim Bowness, Peter Chilvers and Mark Beazley (of ROTHKO). Date: Friday 1st March 2002 Venue: CB2 Internet Bistro, Cambridge (www.cb1.com/cb2/) Information: (01223) 508503 / 519719 12" Vinyl Giveaway In celebration of the forthcoming tour CENTROZOON are making available free copies of their 12" vinyl promo: 'Centrophil' to the first 50 claimants. This offer will launch towards the end of February, and interested parties should watch the News page @ www.centrozoon.de for further details shortly... Regards, Lee Fletcher, (CENTROZOON: UK Representative) www.centrozoon.de www.burningshed.com www.din.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 18:43:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15016; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:43:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:43:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.73.135] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:42:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2002 23:42:15.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D2D8330:01C1B0FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Listers, Sorry I'm a bit late on this, work ya know... What's in the CD changer? Death Cube K-Buckethead Zulutime-Page Hamilton & Caspar Brotzmann Song X-Pat Metheney & Ornette Coleman City-Strapping Young Lad Mexican Moon-Concrete Blonde Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 18:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16009; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:49:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:49:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c1b0fb$397f2bc0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: finally, loop NY Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Isn't this the first venue you suggested (last fall)? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > I did not in fact expire or move to Bali > and I have finally managed to get > something rather nice together > for New York loopers. > > > Saturday afternoons starting February 23, > Chama, a small shop on 4th St and Ave D, > will be hosting an Open Loop... continuous > live looping from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. > > There is a $2 admission fee and you'll be > able to get tea, coffee and snacks as well > as exotic books and bee products! > > > We're going to have at least 12 channels > free for people to plug into the board. > > The space is quite small (there IS a stage, > though) so large things like amps and drumkits > will be probably be out... > > > Chama is a very comfortable space and I imagine > that it's going to be a great hang out scene. > > The volume level will be comparatively low... > there aren't any noise restrictions but it's a > Saturday afternoon! It's anticipated that > there will be NO ONE playing much of the time, > just various loops decaying for a long period. > > > I'll send a further message with the address, > phone number and exact times. We'll have > the web site up with the details before I make > an official announcement. > > > Feel free to just drop in on a whim > on the 23rd or any Saturday > or send me email offlist if you want > to informally fix a time to play. > > /t > > -- > > http://ax.to/fortune ............................ A new fortune every minute! > http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 19:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17939; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.143] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0595836E@tiger.middlebury.edu> Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:48:14 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2002 00:00:07.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC0584D0:01C1B0FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to name a few: The Roger Tubesound Ensemble (an Atom Heart project) James Brown - Funk Power (with Bootsy on bass) Equations of Eternity (features Laswell, Harris and Bernocci) Mike Patton - Pranzo Oltranzista VA - Excursions in Ambience -the third dimesion Squarepusher - Vic Acid Aube - September Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 19:49:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19506; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020209004241.9244.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: Re: JP's Playlist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200202082053.PAA28686@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Talk Talk: Laughing Stock > This is clearly their best & final Album and > one of my fave albums of all > time. I totally agree. In fact, I didn't like TalkTalk until I heard this record. (I recently found out that Mark Hollis put out a solo album a few years ago.) > Jah Wobble Amazes me... He is one of my greatest inspirations as a bassist. Check out his latest collaboration with Bill Laswell: Bass the Final Frontier/Radio Axiom. Incredible grooves. Also Jah Wobble's collab with Brian Eno: Spinner. Speaking of Laswell: Panthalassa -- his remixes of Miles Davis tunes. (I hope to eventually get Laswell's Loops for Acid collection) In addition, this week I've been listening to: Perimeter - James Johnson/Vir Unis Sara Ayers - Interiors Dreamland - Underwater Falling You - Touch Preview Not Applicable - Point of Origin Basque - Basque Basque - Radiate Frolic - various tunes on their MP3.com page David Bridie - Act of Free Choice Jeff Buckley - Grace MJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 20:15:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22100; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:14:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.16dfe163.2995d1d7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:13:59 EST Subject: Re: finally, loop NY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.16dfe163.2995d1d7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8f.16dfe163.2995d1d7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 11:52:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > something rather nice together > for New York loopers. > so this is not the N.Y. LOOPFEST that we have been thinking about for awhile?.....:)m --part1_8f.16dfe163.2995d1d7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 11:52:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, tom@swirly.com writes:


something rather nice together
for New York loopers.


so this is not the N.Y. LOOPFEST that we have been thinking about for awhile?.....:)m --part1_8f.16dfe163.2995d1d7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 20:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22685; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:21:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:21:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.b6d876c.2995d372@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:20:50 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cheb Mami "Meli Meli" --For some reason I cannot listen to this music and be sad. DJ Cheb i Sabbah "Shri Durga" -- Darker, trance-like but also infectious in another way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 20:33:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23495; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:31:48 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.20f9a9ed.2995d604_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <1DriTC.A.muF.nwHZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ba.20f9a9ed.2995d604_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 12:58:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > tinitius > ya kill me.....but how true!..... :)m --part1_ba.20f9a9ed.2995d604_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 12:58:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:


tinitius


ya kill me.....but how true!..... :)m --part1_ba.20f9a9ed.2995d604_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 20:42:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23962; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:36:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:36:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1b10a$31607980$f82d2141@mumu> From: "Jehn" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:36:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1B0E0.485C83B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1B0E0.485C83B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1B0E0.485C83B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1B0E0.485C83B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 20:45:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24714; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:45:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020208202500.00a96930@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:39:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-Reply-To: <11f.b6d876c.2995d372@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listening as of late: Garmarna: Vedergalningen Roy Harper & Trigger : HQ The Seductive Sounds of Tipsy: Trip Tease Sorten Muld: Mark II (I only like about half of it, but the half I like I *really* like...) Polytown: live show from 10-1-94 Bill Frisell: Gone, Just Like A Train Tortoise: TNT Air: The Virgin Suicides Hedningarna: Tra Mouth Music: Mo-Di -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 20:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24875; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: midgard.darkcanvas.com: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:44:58 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-Reply-To: <20020208155209.F30172@redhat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Adrian Likins wrote: > On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:10:56AM -0500, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > This is always fun to hear, so I'm wondering what you are all listening to? Diamanda Galas and John Paul Jones - The Sporting Life Arcanta - The Eternal Return various: tribute to Cole Porter Wally Brill - The Covenant Goblin - 20 Year compilation Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 20:49:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25561; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1851a3c4.2995d9db@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:48:11 EST Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4f.1851a3c4.2995d9db_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4f.1851a3c4.2995d9db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 1:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, telecaster@mac.com writes: > but the > question is how to make digital, which is obviously not going away, achieve > the > positive benefits of tape recording. tele my man! this is indeed a question of great import to me and i dont consider it off topic.....please stop me, but i just saw an ad on tv in which a check out "person" at a "supermarket" (animation) was "playing" the bar-code reader as if it were an "instrument" ala kaoss pad.....sound over being your basic loopish sounding stuff and the ad was for chewing-gum, we are living in some "great" times.....:)m --part1_4f.1851a3c4.2995d9db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 1:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, telecaster@mac.com writes:


but the
question is how to make digital, which is obviously not going away, achieve the
positive benefits of tape recording.


tele my man! this is indeed a question of great import to me and i dont consider it off topic.....please stop me, but i just saw an ad on tv in which a check out "person" at a "supermarket" (animation)  was "playing" the bar-code reader as if it were an "instrument" ala kaoss pad.....sound over being your basic loopish sounding stuff and the ad was for chewing-gum, we are living in some "great" times.....:)m --part1_4f.1851a3c4.2995d9db_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 21:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27746; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:01:28 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f6.1650186e.2995dcf8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f6.1650186e.2995dcf8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 2:53:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, scafferata@dlcwest.com writes: > A cool feature about the EMP100 is the triple pitchshift patch - you can > get 4 different notes(1 original + 3 generated) from one. Wild for > vocals. Any other devices that do this? > i can sort of do this with: space station/alesis air fx/alesis q-2/ clean line out (4th sound).....i love that sort-o-sound more and more.....:)m --part1_f6.1650186e.2995dcf8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 2:53:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, scafferata@dlcwest.com writes:


A cool feature about the EMP100 is the triple pitchshift patch - you can
get 4 different notes(1 original + 3 generated) from one. Wild for
vocals. Any other devices that do this?


i can sort of do this with: space station/alesis air fx/alesis q-2/ clean line out (4th sound).....i love that sort-o-sound more and more.....:)m --part1_f6.1650186e.2995dcf8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 21:06:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28101; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <141.937afb5.2995ddb0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:04:32 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_141.937afb5.2995ddb0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_141.937afb5.2995ddb0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 3:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: > Dick Dale and Robert Fripp - Pipeline/Starless And Bible Black > > That's a combo I'd love to hear. > no ego in that duet!.....yipes.....:)m --part1_141.937afb5.2995ddb0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 3:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


Dick Dale and Robert Fripp - Pipeline/Starless And Bible Black

That's a combo I'd love to hear.


no ego in that duet!.....yipes.....:)m --part1_141.937afb5.2995ddb0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 21:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28515; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:08:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.345fb37.2995de55@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:07:17 EST Subject: Re: SF gig spam reminder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17e.345fb37.2995de55_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17e.345fb37.2995de55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 3:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > Artist's Television Access, on Valencia and 21st tonight in San > Francisco. Loops galore! We'll be playing from 8 until 9 well?.....how did it go mark?.....:)m --part1_17e.345fb37.2995de55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/02 3:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


Artist's Television Access, on Valencia and 21st tonight in San
Francisco.  Loops galore!  We'll be playing from 8 until 9


well?.....how did it go mark?.....:)m --part1_17e.345fb37.2995de55_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 21:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29318; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:27:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:27:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1b110$1db6d900$5fd81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 02:17:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1B10F.E7FC9340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1B10F.E7FC9340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable john coltrane - love supreme tom waits - closing time roy natherson - fire at keatons bar and grill ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1B10F.E7FC9340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
john coltrane - love=20 supreme
tom waits - closing = time
roy natherson - fire at = keatons bar=20 and grill
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1B10F.E7FC9340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 21:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29991; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:34:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:34:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020208203305.008529a0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:33:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <002001c1b10a$31607980$f82d2141@mumu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who? At 08:36 PM 2/8/02 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Arialunsubscribe <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 22:07:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00608; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:07:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:07:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01c1b116$daf87f40$0364f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200202081534.KAA28077@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FOUND OBJECTS USED IN LOOPING Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:06:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com about the Martha Stewart wastebasket that people have asked about: The wastebasket is solid brass and was designed to look like a giant thimble. On stage, I always joke when I ask if anyone has seen a really large needle and thread. Also, after my performance, I can always say, "I've always wanted to say that I've banged Martha Stewart.............and now I have" ;-) oh, and I was the guy who suggested this wonderful piece of 'found percussion' initially. Which makes me think: How about a thread about very cool found objects that people have used to make looping music with. Yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 22:12:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01087; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:11:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:11:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:17:45 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b120$b9d68c80$3c68580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9n5iw.A.BQ.cNJZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com many thanks! Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? >Pedro Felix >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 22:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01248; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:11:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:11:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:14:53 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b120$53e57120$3c68580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >.... and Pedro- I want those Bad Brains boots!!!!! Let's talk- >Cliff > Cliff - tapes are downtown. I'll tap you over the weekend with what i've got re: BB. bw, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 22:22:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02061; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:22:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020208221422.00a924c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:16:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FOUND OBJECTS USED IN LOOPING In-Reply-To: <00cc01c1b116$daf87f40$0364f93f@dnlsh01> References: <200202081534.KAA28077@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:06 PM 2/8/02 -0800, you wrote: > How about a thread about very cool found objects that people have used >to make looping music with. There was one in the spring of '99 or thereabouts called something like "Things we loop". I remember describing how I looped a wire chimney brush; it sounded great slowed down! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 8 23:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05120; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:17:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:17:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:16:23 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: OT:Digital resolution for analog sound In-reply-to: <002d01c1b0d8$d3556ca0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020208191535.94233.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> <002d01c1b0d8$d3556ca0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-DZJV.A.mPB.qKKZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:43 AM -0800 2/08/02, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: >That clock looks very interesting indeed- I can't seem to find any sales >info- do you have further info? I have heard that a good master clock in a >studio makes a big difference- last issue of EQ had an article I think- IIRC, it was treasury-emptingly expensive. We mere mortals have to settle for things like the AardSync or Nanosync, which are pricey enough in their own right. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 00:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08607; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:14:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:14:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:14:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200202090514.AAA02721@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: finally, loop NY X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > something rather nice together > > for New York loopers. > > > > so this is not the N.Y. LOOPFEST that we have been thinking about for > awhile?.....:)m It is! Except that it's a small weekly hangout gathering rather than a large one-off event. Much more fun I think. And much more time to play! /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 00:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09020; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:16:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:15:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202090515.AAA02783@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: finally, loop NY X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Isn't this the first venue you suggested (last fall)? heheheh, no, that was Chashama, not Chama! I laughed at the confluence of names, too... /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 00:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09887; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:32:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:32:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 21:31:36 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Reports from the lab (part 1) In-reply-to: <3C627708.20AFD52B@altruistmusic.com> X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C627708.20AFD52B@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7gO2ZD.A.SZC.9QLZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:45 AM -0800 2/07/02, Andre LaFosse wrote: >It should be noted, >however, that people like Chris Muir, Claude Voit, and Andy Butler (as >well as the usual Grob and Flint-shaped candidates) have been making >some very deep and important contributions to the evolution of the >Echoplex. Actually, most of what I've contributed to the Echoplex was a lot or whining, complaining and borderline-petulant demanding of features back in the GWIZ days. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 00:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10811; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:53:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:53:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C64B8A6.C3B635F9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 21:50:30 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reports from the lab (part 1) References: <3C627708.20AFD52B@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Muir wrote: > Actually, most of what I've contributed to the Echoplex was a lot or > whining, complaining and borderline-petulant demanding of features > back in the GWIZ days. Funny, that sounds exactly like me for the first three years of Looper's Delight... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 01:00:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12480; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:59:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:59:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:01:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: finally, loop NY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I did not in fact expire or move to Bali >and I have finally managed to get >something rather nice together >for New York loopers. > > >Saturday afternoons starting February 23, >Chama, a small shop on 4th St and Ave D, >will be hosting an Open Loop... continuous >live looping from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. > >There is a $2 admission fee and you'll be >able to get tea, coffee and snacks as well >as exotic books and bee products! > > >We're going to have at least 12 channels >free for people to plug into the board. > >The space is quite small (there IS a stage, >though) so large things like amps and drumkits >will be probably be out... > Hot diggety! How 'bout power outlets? Tables? I'd consider bring my Handsonics and a laptop (jhno's Looper software or similar) -- I figure it would complement all you guitarists. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 03:39:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20768; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:38:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:38:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:37:19 -0800 Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <141.937afb5.2995ddb0@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3096059839_132927_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3096059839_132927_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ~LARKS' TONGUES IN SURFBEAT~ here is how they would go about it:no pre conceived stuff-fripp comes out on stage does this long meandering thing,up to 30min.and sets up a loop(soundscape) and leaves the stage-then DD comes out w/ black leather and head band,strat ablazin' and just ripps over the loop for as long as he can go-that would be quite awhile i think. and there you have it,no bruised egos and everybodies happy! s (liason@large) In a message dated 2/8/02 3:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: Dick Dale and Robert Fripp - Pipeline/Starless And Bible Black That's a combo I'd love to hear. no ego in that duet!.....yipes.....:)m --MS_Mac_OE_3096059839_132927_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: What are we listening to today? ~LARKS' TONGUES IN SURFBEAT~
here is how they would go about it:no pre conceived stuff-fripp comes out o= n stage does this long meandering thing,up to 30min.and sets up a loop(sound= scape<!>) and leaves the stage-then DD comes out  w/ black leathe= r and head band,strat ablazin' and just ripps over the loop for as long as h= e can go-that would be quite awhile i think. and  there you have it,no = bruised egos and everybodies happy!
s
(liason@large)

In a message dated 2/8/02 3:09:01 PM Eastern Sta= ndard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes:


Dick Dale and Robert Fripp - Pipeline/Sta= rless And Bible Black

That's a combo I'd love to hear.


no ego in that duet!.....yipes.....:)m

--MS_Mac_OE_3096059839_132927_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 03:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21334; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:42:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:42:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.207.15.30] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening today Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:41:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2002 08:41:45.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B320190:01C1B145] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lessee... today I listened to (I have a walkman at work) Philip Jeck - Vinyl Coda: This guy uses many many turntables all at once, using ancient scratched-up records to make mysterious ambient music Talking Heads - Remain in Light Slut (a collaboration by various Japan and New York artists on God Mountain records): The first 5 tracks feature an incredibly bizarre sting instrument and an even stranger vocalist, yet manage to be very beautiful and surprisingly 'poppy'. Ween - Pure Guava The Residents - Stars & Hank Forever: (Residents covering Hank Williams Jr. and John Philip Sousa?) Randy Greif - Alice in Wonderland: A truly amazing 5 disc set of the popular story told with all the frightening/bizarre elements left intact - with an amazing experimental music background. CT Collective - Bluezette: Loopers-Delight members trying their darndest to create blues songs! I had the chance to go see Francisco Lopez play at Mills College in Oakland a few weeks ago. He's probably the best known of field-recording musicians, and his approach is very unique. Instead of recording "events" (like dogs barking or traffic noises), he records spaces. Most of the basic elements he uses in tracks are extremely minimal, but as he builds them up, they can become a simply amazing, loud, and overpowering listening experience. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 04:09:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23534; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:04:33 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: matrix for looping units? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C64E620.A87F799E@dlcwest.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200202090149.UAA25744@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's so cool to see a bunch of my faves in your cd players - Material, Michael Brook, Eno, Fripp/Crafty Guitarists, Tom Waits, Steve Hackett(Spectral Mornings and Defector are among my all time favorites - what is he up to lately?), Pinback, Pat Metheny, Bill Frisell... Forgive me if I sound surprised, but I live in cowtown on the lonely plains of Saskatchewan, and I'm so used to having *noone* who shares my musical tastes. Is there a matrix(like in Keyboard or EM) that exists anywhere that compares looping machines? I need some suggestions as a base to start looking. I'm probably limited to around the $200-300 range right now and I'll probably look for something older and used as opposed to new. Thanks, Shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 04:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24372; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:32:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:32:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c1b14c$a19f7f60$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <200202090149.UAA25744@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C64E620.A87F799E@dlcwest.com> Subject: Re: matrix for looping units? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:32:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers Delight site has great info on loopers- no "matrix" - but pen and paper will do- :) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shayne Cafferata" To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: matrix for looping units? > It's so cool to see a bunch of my faves in your cd players - Material, > Michael Brook, Eno, Fripp/Crafty Guitarists, Tom Waits, Steve > Hackett(Spectral Mornings and Defector are among my all time favorites - > what is he up to lately?), Pinback, Pat Metheny, Bill Frisell... > Forgive me if I sound surprised, but I live in cowtown on the lonely > plains of Saskatchewan, and I'm so used to having *noone* who shares my > musical tastes. > > Is there a matrix(like in Keyboard or EM) that exists anywhere that > compares looping machines? I need some suggestions as a base to start > looking. I'm probably limited to around the $200-300 range right now and > I'll probably look for something older and used as opposed to new. > > Thanks, > Shayne > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 05:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29041; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 05:38:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 05:38:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c1b155$e17bad80$977ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Mike Hughes, PhD" From: "Mike Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight References: <11f.b6d876c.2995d372@aol.com> Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:38:13 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1B155.E056B580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8XsadC.A.LFH.PwPZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1B155.E056B580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sundry Penguin Cafe Orchestra disks. (almost) entirely acoustic, but = some great examples on there of what could be done with a looper, like = Perpetuum Mobile, plus the actually-looped Telephone and Rubber Band. 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Sundry Penguin Cafe Orchestra = disks.  (almost)=20 entirely acoustic, but some great examples on there of what could be = done with a=20 looper, like Perpetuum Mobile, plus the actually-looped Telephone and = Rubber=20 Band.
 
Mike
 
returning to the=20 depths.....
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1B155.E056B580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 09:12:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22652; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.24] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOUND OBJECTS USED IN LOOPING Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:10:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2002 14:10:30.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[8852AEC0:01C1B173] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi guys,  I have an eccentric fun hobby of looking for battery powered technology inside of the thousands of stuffed animals and fluffy that people discard because the batteries ran out. I cut out the processors  and get the sounds out of them....I feel around sqishing the stuffed animal or fluffy toy and see if there is a processor inside....they usually cost .25 or .50 or people just give them to me and I have found quite a few.  Then I get my mike and DL4 or boomerang or RC20 loop station and loop away....I can get quite a panoramic plethora of random sonic machinations.  Or I open my suitcase and tell my nephews and nieces that i wanna start a band but these are the instruments I want to use in the band.  ZZzzz  pop  boiiiiiiinggg.... the soundz are endless and the technology amazing that people just throw away.  If you have any laying around I will buy them from you.   papadave55@hotmail.com
831 5880787   or I'll trade loopers for them.  :- )

                                                        Om and Out   Papa Dave




Hi there,Peace to All who enter here,  Love Dave
>From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: FOUND OBJECTS USED IN LOOPING
>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:06:59 -0800
>
>about the Martha Stewart wastebasket that people have asked about:
>
>The wastebasket is solid brass and was designed to look like a giant
>thimble.
>
>On stage, I always joke when I ask if anyone has seen a really large needle
>and
>thread.
>
>Also, after my performance, I can always say, "I've always wanted to say
>that
>I've banged Martha Stewart.............and now I have" ;-)
>
>oh, and I was the guy who suggested this wonderful piece of 'found
>percussion' initially.
>
>
>Which makes me think:
>
>
> How about a thread about very cool found objects that people have used
>to make looping music with.
>
>
>Yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 09:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24296; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:48:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:48:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C653683.6EC14BAC@usa.net> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 07:47:48 -0700 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What Are We Listening To Today? References: <200202081534.KAA28082@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_VkM3C.A.D6F.PaTZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well...no loop stuff unfortunately! Currently in my car changer (on a road trip): Yes - Magnification: I am Yes ho of the highest order. This is their best in years. All new material with full symphony orchestra (wonderful arrangements) and no keyboardist (in the classic Yes sense anyway...there is some piano and synth). Jon Anderson's voice has never sounded better...a remarkable production job on the vocals. Kevin Gilbert - Sometimes Why: A bootleg compilation of rareties by the most insanely talented mofo most of you have never heard of. Arguably the greatest rock musician to have yet lived. Anyone with prog/rock tendencies or a penchant for highly intelligent lyrical content needs to check this badass dead boy out. Ask me for more details or get thee to: http://www.kevingilbert.com John McLaughlin Trio - Live In Tokyo: with Dennis Chambers on drums and Joey DeFrancesco on Hammond B3 and trumpet. Just stupefyingly sick playing. Especially when you consider Dennis doesn't read and keeps multiple gigs' setlists in his head. Mark Egan - A Touch Of Light: Nice mellow but engaging stuff from the melodic fretless meister. I had a lot of long morning drives this trip and this CD is perfect for that. Jerry Goodman - On The Theory Of Aviation: Also a more mellow offering to go with the Mark Egan. Still plenty of stylistic variety. Jerry is one of the unsung heroes of modern music. Adam Holzman - Make A Loud Noise: My favorite from this keyboard whiz. Dennis Chambers makes another appearance here, but in a totally different vibe. This is fusion of the highest order, with some nice outside touches. -- Tonefully yours, <•>Lee Sebel/Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without/888-487-2166<•> Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality Direct Messaging: coolmusic@my2way.com -->Give a listen to my original music<-- http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 10:49:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28545; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:48:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:48:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:48:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200202091548.KAA24639@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: finally, loop NY X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just john wrote: > Hot diggety! > > How 'bout power outlets? Tables? Power outlets, hmm! good question. I'll check and see. There are a few little tables there, I'll bring a small portable one or you could use the stage as a table... > I'd consider bring my Handsonics and a laptop (jhno's Looper software or > similar) -- I figure it would complement all you guitarists. So far there are no guitarists lined up for this, but a Handsonic would be a marvellous thing regardless. I used to have one before I was broken into... /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 10:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28948; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <165.82b1b10.29969fb3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:52:19 EST Subject: talktalk: was Re: JP's Playlist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone said: >> Talk Talk: Laughing Stock >> This is clearly their best & final Album and well, it was certainly their *final* album; i think that 'spirit of eden' is a much more realised work --- 'laughing stock' sounds like outtakes from 'spirit of eden', to me. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 11:16:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31410; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:15:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c1b184$e9499e80$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: , References: <200202091548.KAA24639@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: finally, loop NY Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:14:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > just john wrote: > > > Hot diggety! > > > > How 'bout power outlets? Tables? > > Power outlets, hmm! good question. I'll check and see. > > There are a few little tables there, I'll bring a small portable > one or you could use the stage as a table... > > > > I'd consider bring my Handsonics and a laptop (jhno's Looper > software or > > similar) -- I figure it would complement all you guitarists. > > So far there are no guitarists lined up for this, but a Handsonic > would be a marvellous thing regardless. I used to have one > before I was broken into... I'll be there. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 11:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00925; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:49:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020209104832.007f98e0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:48:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-Reply-To: References: <141.937afb5.2995ddb0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5o6qyD.A.dN.aMVZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's the ticket. M... At 12:37 AM 2/9/02 -0800, you wrote: >>>> ~LARKS' TONGUES IN SURFBEAT~ here is how they would go about it:no pre conceived stuff-fripp comes out on stage does this long meandering thing,up to 30min.and sets up a loop(soundscape<) and leaves the stage-then DD comes out w/ black leather and head band,strat ablazin' and just ripps over the loop for as long as he can go-that would be quite awhile i think. and there you have it,no bruised egos and everybodies happy! s (liason@large) In a message dated 2/8/02 3:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com writes: Dick Dale and Robert Fripp - Pipeline/Starless And Bible Black That's a combo I'd love to hear. no ego in that duet!.....yipes.....:)m <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 13:22:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08194; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:21:00 -0800 Subject: Re: SF gig spam reminder From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17e.345fb37.2995de55@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3096094860_123973_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3096094860_123973_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/8/02 6:07 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/8/02 3:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: Artist's Television Access, on Valencia and 21st tonight in San Francisco. Loops galore! We'll be playing from 8 until 9 well?.....how did it go mark?.....:)m It went really well! First live gig for my wife, but it went really well. We ended up rescoring James and the Giant Peach. Fun! Mark --MS_Mac_OE_3096094860_123973_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: SF gig spam reminder on 2/8/02 6:07 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/8/02 3:21:24 PM Eastern Sta= ndard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


Artist's Television Access, on Valencia a= nd 21st tonight in San
Francisco.  Loops galore!  We'll be playing from 8 until 9


well?.....how did it go mark?.....:)m

It went really well!  First live gig for my wife, but it went really w= ell.  We ended up rescoring James and the Giant Peach.  Fun!

Mark --MS_Mac_OE_3096094860_123973_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 13:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09495; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:46:26 -0800 Subject: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/8/02 10:01 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > I'd consider bring my Handsonics and a laptop (jhno's Looper software or > similar) -- I figure it would complement all you guitarists. Have I missed something on the list regarding good looping software to use with the Handsonic? Is this MIDI based looping or audio based looping? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 14:40:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14315; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:39:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:39:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.165.208.208] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Found Objects in Looping Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:38:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2002 19:38:17.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[5275AFE0:01C1B1A1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't use found objects as much as I used to any more - mostly because my recording studio is now setup in my bedroom, and it's way to easy to make a mess. One of the best sounding things I've looped was a wooden chair being dragged across a concrete floor. You know that screeching sound that you sometimes make while adjusting in such a chair? This was just like that, only thickly layered and sounding very much like a cloud of rampaging elephants. Styrofoam can have a similar effect, only in a higher pitch. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 16:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19272; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:58:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020209205830.26061.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: what are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200202090149.UAA25744@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > DJ Cheb i Sabbah "Shri Durga" -- Darker, trance-like > but also infectious in > another way. absolutely! MAHA MAYA, the remix cd for shri durga is also excellent. i prefer it, actually. thanks to whoever mention THE EDGE's "Captive" yesterday, i pulled that out again. phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 16:06:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20991; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:05:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020209210531.81842.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #81 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200202091448.JAA24400@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Subject: FOUND OBJECTS USED IN LOOPING > How about a thread about very cool found objects > that people have used > to make looping music with. > > > Yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) i know i've mentioned this here before, i think in response to one of yer posts, rick, but i'll mention it again. my head, when freshly clippercut. take the guitar cable and run it through the hair with delay, and then tweak the delay. it's a different kind of noise. it's very silly, but i have a couple of superb percussive loops derived from this process. peace, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 17:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26767; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:38:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:38:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017901c1b1ba$6e8f4100$1a483144@nrockv01.md.comcast.net> Reply-To: "skincage" From: "skincage" To: References: Subject: Re: Found Objects in Looping Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:38:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't use found objects as much as I used to any more - mostly because my > recording studio is now setup in my bedroom, and it's way to easy to make a > mess. amen to that. it's a constant battle to retain foot room around here too. > One of the best sounding things I've looped was a wooden chair being dragged > across a concrete floor. You know that screeching sound that you sometimes > make while adjusting in such a chair? This was just like that, only thickly > layered and sounding very much like a cloud of rampaging elephants. i don't suppose you have a recording of this handy in an mp3? i'd like to hear it if so. > Styrofoam can have a similar effect, only in a higher pitch. it also makes a surprisingly good resonator! at least in box form. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 18:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31879; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:47:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:47:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:49:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 2/8/02 10:01 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > >> I'd consider bring my Handsonics and a laptop (jhno's Looper software or >> similar) -- I figure it would complement all you guitarists. > >Have I missed something on the list regarding good looping software to use >with the Handsonic? Is this MIDI based looping or audio based looping? > What I was proposing was audio looping. However -- and I was experimenting with this last night -- one can use the onboard sequencer for looping of one part of the sequence. There's even something to allow you to keep it in record mode but not actually record what you're playing. So you record a little something, put it in this mode to play along, then back to recording some overlays. And that's actually sufficient for straight percussion. Unfortunately, you do have to pause when you switch from one part to another. One could cover this transition with audio looping. A cute thing about replaying the loop is that both the "melody" parts have on-the-fly transposition , independent of each other. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 19:59:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04639; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:57:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:57:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c1b1cd$b7380b40$f5346880@oemcomputer> From: "jeff snyder" To: References: <200202090151.UAA26046@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: what are we listening to today? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:56:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm.... This is fun to hear - I've gotten a lot of good suggestions from these posts, now if only I had the money to buy some of them... my pile of CDs near the CD player is the following: Squarepusher-Big Loada (the american version with the Port Rhombus EP tagged on the end : for when I want to get hyper. It's his best on the more electronic side I think - wow...) Kronos Quartet - Early Music (it's a burned copy, so I can't remember if that's the real title. It's a fantastic disc and great working music... some actual rennaisance music, and some new composers suggesting early musics) Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Vol.2 (very nice... I once drove through far northern Wisconsin in thick fog with this double disc playing in my car, perhaps one of the most wonderful musical experiences I've ever had.) Astor Piazzolla - Octeto Buenos Aires (one of his first nuevo-tango recordings, I think. Fifties recording quality, wild music... it's great!) Steve Earle with the Del McCoury Band - The Mountian (can't miss with this one... I like the title track a lot. 'course you gotta be some kind of country fan to like this stuff, but it's good...) Isreal Vibration - Isreal Dub (mmmm... nice chill-out sounds. probably the closest to loop content. I can't believe the dub pioneers made these sounds in the 70s.... ahead of their time, for sure, and it rocks hardcore.) Georgy Ligeti - Piano Works (from the Sony series... good stuff, killer performances. although it includes his Ricercata thing which I'm not as much a fan of as his etudes... I'm still looking around for a recording of his double concerto for flute and oboe that I heard once on CD at a music library - beautiful.) Ikue Mori - One Hundred Aspects of the Moon (there is one track on this Cd that I have to listen to every couple weeks or I will die. It's the one with the vocal melody - and the last track is very pretty too. Amazing what she can do with this "obsolete" equipment.) My own stuff - while mixing (I'm very self-absorbed and I actually listen to my own music more than other people's. Hey, if I didn't like it, why would I make it?) okay, I'll go back to lurking... hope this wasn't too long. sorry that there's not much loop content in my list, but I have other interests, too... -jeff snyder --=scattershot=-- http://www.scattershot.org/ http://www.scattershot.org/jsnyder.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 21:11:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12692; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03c601c1b1d8$44e51280$d1168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:41:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was a normal Saturday morning. My son was watching Dragon Tales and Blue's Clues as my wife and I got ourselves together. I left the house around 8:20 am and didn't listen to any music for the entire ride - a rare event. I arrived at my guitar instruction studio at about 8:45 am, and immediately began recording. Modified Hohner Steinberger > Whammy > Boss GT-3 (many ring modded FX patches) parallel out > Akai Headrush in looping mode, and > Sellon-modded Lexicon PCM 42. Recorded direct to cassette. This is to be a gift for a friend's birthday. Then I had to do some writing (performance notes for transcriptions in GuitarOne magazine) so I listened to "More Than A Feeling" by Boston and "Lay Lady Lay" by Bobby the Z. These performance notes will be found in the May 2002 issue. My fellow instructor was working on music with students, but I heard almost nothing. This may be a psychological block. On the other hand, he was working on some music of his own between students which really struck me. It was E lydian major, lovely broken arpeggios, alternating with B natural minor. After everyone left, I listened to the gift tape a bit. Side One is vaguely Fripp Soundscape > Reich > Reich as played by gamelon > The Hundredth Monkey invites the other 99 to a field of aluminum locusts for lunch > bowing on Martha Stewart's brake drums. Side Two is (Geez! I forget!) followed by a Hendrixy rhythm loop with all manner of improvised soloing followed by the stuff I recorded earlier, a vaguely tribal loop with more soloing (some E-bow harmonized by Whammy in add-a-fourth/fifth mode, among other things). You know, the usual stuff. On the ride home, I popped in a tape of Dionne Warwick's greatest hits along with Tracy Nelson/Mother Earth's "Poor Man's Paradise." Sang along a lot at the top of my lungs. At home, my wife prepared for a visit to the hairdresser's while more children's shows played on the TV. I listened to the events of the day, and was particularly elated to learn that a plumbing problem which could have cost $4,000-plus (according to Company A) was solved for $125 (by honest local plumber B). Now it's 8:30 at night, and after listening to my son get out of bed about three times, I am sitting in my bedroom listening to the click of my computer keys, the fan of the mainframe, and that curious high-pitched zing of the screen. I am listening for the sound of my wife coming home. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 21:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16624; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 20:51:13 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C65E021.119290D2@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <03c601c1b1d8$44e51280$d1168bd1@Douglas> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cirkus-King Crimson Live Duke Elegant-Dr. John does Duke Ellington Hellecasters I, II, III Mike Killian (these qualify as loopy material since I've been listening to them over and over!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 22:08:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18940; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:07:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:07:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c1b1d7$b2c933e0$6c87abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <165.82b1b10.29969fb3@aol.com> Subject: Re: talktalk: was Re: JP's Playlist Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:07:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agree with david. Anyway, it was a big lost they gave it up. luca From: > someone said: > > >> Talk Talk: Laughing Stock > >> This is clearly their best & final Album and > > well, it was certainly their *final* album; > i think that 'spirit of eden' is a much more realised work --- 'laughing > stock' sounds like outtakes from 'spirit of eden', to me. > best, > dt / splattercell > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 9 22:29:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20827; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:23:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.51737809181213.246.152312517166@1.00001346831106> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:22:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? In-Reply-To: <3C65E021.119290D2@swbell.net> References: <03c601c1b1d8$44e51280$d1168bd1@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my playlist today: Various mantra things I found on some Sanskrit site (Vyaas Houston?) Beatles-Various versions of Flying Wobbly/Don Joyce dimuzio otani wobbly Chopping Channel Stupid Madonna Acid loops Various from WREK's "Atmospherics" show Various from WREK's "Friction" show DFM rtv Int. - various live tracks...heavy loopy stuff Judy Garland-Over the Rainbow Black Market Rit'lin Miscellaneous movie samples, including R2D2 and "you dick!" from Fast Times at Ridgemont High Plunderphonics Celebrities at Their Worst, incl. Col. Harland Sanders, Orson Welles, and William Shatner John Lennon-Mother (the song has an infinite quality to it) C.W. McCall Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza - "Elsewhere" and "Excess Vitamin C" Detritus Bakery Brian Eno The Frogs (simply NOT loopy) Field recording I made in the World Trade Center concourse when there still was one Field recording of my niece ArcadeAmbience.wav - somebody made a simulated 80's video arcade "ambient" recording - Ken kenzo@free-music.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ mp3's: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 00:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32694; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <124.b923076.29975b47@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:12:39 EST Subject: Re: Found Objects in Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_124.b923076.29975b47_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_124.b923076.29975b47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 2:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > mostly because my > recording studio is now setup in my bedroom, and it's way to easy to make a > > mess. > matt, matt, matt.....what can i say to this?.....heaven forbid, a mess in one's bedroom.....i hope that is not too wild and crazy for ya!.....there once was a band called "electric friends" who did all of their recording in a bed-room or perhaps i know this only from a dream!.....im getting old and my memory is a bit fragile (sp?).....:)m --part1_124.b923076.29975b47_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 2:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


mostly because my
recording studio is now setup in my bedroom, and it's way to easy to make a
mess.


matt, matt, matt.....what can i say to this?.....heaven forbid, a mess in one's bedroom.....i hope that is not too wild and crazy for ya!.....there once was a band called "electric friends" who did all of their recording in a bed-room or perhaps i know this only from a dream!.....im getting old and my memory is a bit fragile (sp?).....:)m --part1_124.b923076.29975b47_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 00:18:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00689; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:17:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:17:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:17:16 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #81 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f2.1687465c.29975c5c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f2.1687465c.29975c5c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 4:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, philraath@yahoo.com writes: > when freshly clippercut. > > take the guitar cable and run it through the hair with > delay, and then tweak the delay the best thing i've read on this list in the last 10 hours.....i just got out the clippers.....not that i need them mind you.....:)m --part1_f2.1687465c.29975c5c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 4:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, philraath@yahoo.com writes:


when freshly clippercut.

take the guitar cable and run it through the hair with
delay, and then tweak the delay


the best thing i've read on this list in the last 10 hours.....i just got out the clippers.....not that i need them mind you.....:)m --part1_f2.1687465c.29975c5c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 00:24:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01105; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:23:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:23:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <161.8919abe.29975db9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:23:05 EST Subject: Re: what are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_161.8919abe.29975db9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_161.8919abe.29975db9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 7:57:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, josnyder@students.wisc.edu writes: > > > Astor Piazzolla yes, yes, yes.....so hot, so much emotion.....you laugh, you cry, you relax, you get wild.....beautiful stuff.....they should make a movie about him!!!!!.....:)m --part1_161.8919abe.29975db9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 7:57:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, josnyder@students.wisc.edu writes:




    Astor Piazzolla


yes, yes, yes.....so hot, so much emotion.....you laugh, you cry, you relax, you get wild.....beautiful stuff.....they should make a movie about him!!!!!.....:)m --part1_161.8919abe.29975db9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 00:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01359; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6.23c5de52.29975e14@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:24:36 EST Subject: Re: what are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6.23c5de52.29975e14_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6.23c5de52.29975e14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 7:57:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, josnyder@students.wisc.edu writes: > (I'm very self-absorbed and I actually > listen to my own music more than other people's. Hey, if I didn't like it, > why would I make it?) > > truth.....:)m --part1_6.23c5de52.29975e14_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 7:57:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, josnyder@students.wisc.edu writes:


(I'm very self-absorbed and I actually
listen to my own music more than other people's.  Hey, if I didn't like it,
why would I make it?)



truth.....:)m --part1_6.23c5de52.29975e14_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 00:29:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01684; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:28:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:28:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <41.1828e921.29975edc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:27:56 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_41.1828e921.29975edc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <38HtmB.A.uZ.7TgZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_41.1828e921.29975edc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 9:10:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > It was a normal Saturday morning. thanks.....:)m --part1_41.1828e921.29975edc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 9:10:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:


It was a normal Saturday morning.


thanks.....:)m --part1_41.1828e921.29975edc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 00:34:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02099; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:33:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:33:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:37:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/9/02 3:49 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > What I was proposing was audio looping. > > However -- and I was experimenting with this last night -- one can use the > onboard sequencer for looping of one part of the sequence. There's even > something to allow you to keep it in record mode but not actually record > what you're playing. So you record a little something, put it in this mode > to play along, then back to recording some overlays. > > And that's actually sufficient for straight percussion. I've used the sequencer in the Handsonic this way. (Warning: Don't leave it sitting in record mode with recording active. I managed to fill up memory doing this and the machine became rather unhappy.) I find it quite annoying, however, that there's no provision for erasing elements let alone live loop construction options like multiply. And as you also noted, it's frustrating that you can't switch parts while recording using the sequencer. A really good MIDI looper could do so much. After all, the data rates are a lot smaller than the rates for audio. Some of the things I would like in a good MIDI looper include: * Options like on the Echoplex for multiply, replace, and insert. * I'd like to be able to do note erasing. * I'd like to be able to have multiple tracks and mute/erase tracks essentially as the equivalent to passes through the loop. * I'd like to be able to record phrases live and then fly them in on demand. Sort of a: "Hey, I liked that addition to the loop but I don't want to play it every time. Give me a way to trigger it when I do want it." An audio looper provides an expensive way to do some but not all of this. I've used my MC-505 with some success to try playing with having multiple tracks but it's non-ideal. So, far I've resisted having my computer running in my music "studio" because amongst other things I don't want to mess with a keyboard or mouse while playing. If it were the only way to get a really good MIDI looper, I might reconsider. Mark P.S. On top of this, I really wish I had a better way to map my Handsonic to the sounds in my Emu Planet Earth. The Emu box has some really great sounds in it but it's going relatively unused because it's proven somewhat inconvenient to access from a control standpoint. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 00:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02401; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:37:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:37:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: talktalk: was Re: JP's Playlist Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:37:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <001301c1b1d7$b2c933e0$6c87abd4@giow2000> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For some balance, I'll pipe up and say that I prefer the unfinished/less-realized Laughing Stock. The sound of the album is wide open and refreshing. I'll second the recommendation of the Mark Hollis solo CD. If you liked Talk Talk's last two CDs, you'll like this one. Jim > From: luca > > Agree with david. > Anyway, it was a big lost they gave it up. > luca > > > From: > > > someone said: > > > > >> Talk Talk: Laughing Stock > > >> This is clearly their best & final Album and > > > > well, it was certainly their *final* album; > > i think that 'spirit of eden' is a much more realised work > --- 'laughing > > stock' sounds like outtakes from 'spirit of eden', to me. > > best, > > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 02:14:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07854; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:12:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:12:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.165.209.49] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #82 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:11:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2002 07:11:23.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[256EC660:01C1B202] Resent-Message-ID: <_5N3jC.A.G6B.60hZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > One of the best sounding things I've looped was a wooden chair being >dragged > > across a concrete floor. >i don't suppose you have a recording of this handy in an mp3? i'd like to >hear it if so. I'd make an mp3 and send it to you, but I had to reinstall windows on my computer, and now I'm missing drivers for my soundcard. Needless to say, my computer is kind of being a jerk in general. It's been 2 months since it stopped working, and everytime I do some major repair on it, something else goes wrong. Grrr! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 02:25:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08517; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:25:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:25:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020210021925.02db2ec0@marathon.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@marathon.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:24:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick ring Subject: an mp3 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_-wTz.A.2DC.KBiZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I thought I'd share w/ you a bit I did recently. I recorded this at the open mike night at club helsinki (www.clubhelsinkiweb.com). It's about 6 minutes long. Technically, what I did was periodically, touch the end of the patch chord to ground it, feeding that into an electrix filter factory, into a mo-fx, into 3 rds7.6, into a big reverb. I decided to forgo auxes and the like and just do it in series. The results are at www.silentradio.org/sounds/openmindnight.mp3. If you give a listen, some feedback would be fabulous. As you can imagine, it's improv, and I'd never used this particular setup before. thanks, nick ---- nick ring www.silentradio.org www.musicandpolitics.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 03:32:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11427; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:31:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:31:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6631CF.14DC@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:40:50 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? References: <03c601c1b1d8$44e51280$d1168bd1@Douglas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0zbW4C.A.IxC.x-iZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1.Steve Lawson's new CD (duets w/piano,wonderful,beautiful!) 2.Playing in a Room with People;Jenson,Barbieri,and Karn(great!-does Mick really sing Saday Maday while playing that bassline, locking w/a drummer? I am inspired and humbled... 3.Each Eye a Path;Mick Karn (always someone I want to hear) 4.Ordinary Magick;Land of the Blind,(I join a band I do my homework:) 5.Gov't Mule;11-3-97 live show (Rocks!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 05:11:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21266; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:09:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:09:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <152.8acb01c.2997a0a0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:08:32 EST Subject: Re: what are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Astor Piazzolla > > yes, yes, yes.....so hot, so much emotion.....you laugh, you cry, you relax, > > you get wild.....beautiful stuff.....they should make a movie about > him!!!!!.....:)m Well check out "The Tango Lesson" by Sally Potter. About Tango (sort of) rather than Piazolla, but has Piazolla on the sound track . Also has Fred Frith looping. andy (just about on-topic scraped through this time) butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 05:50:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22370; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:50:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:51:37 +0000 Subject: Behringer/Repeater (EDP) foot controller From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA22272 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I also got one of these new Behringer FCB1010, and I must say I like it a lot. Thanks to David Auker I finally understood how to assign many midi commands to the same foot pedal and this opened up a lot of possibilities. Unfortunately you can only set midi channels globally. In my case this means I have to dedicate some pedals for the EDP and have the rest for Repeater. But I can live with that. Oh, and one bug I found out after a lot of head ace: When programming Behringer Program Change for the Repeater you have to write the number above the one you want. As an example, Repeater records on midi PC 3, which means I have to program the Behringer pedal to send "midi PC 4". Ok, anyway, here's what I've set up sofar for rehearsals: Bank 00 01 rec trk 2 -12 02 undo trk3 pitch =0 03 trk rec selct 04 loop down 05 loop up 06 multiply 07 trk 2 pitch -12 08 trk 3 pitch+12 09 reverse 10 EDP reverse (EDP foot controller INSERT ý halfspeed) exp A EDP feedback level exp B RPTR feedback level Bank 01 01 rec 02 undo 03 trk rec selct 04 trk 1 pitch =0 trk 2 pitch -12 05 trk 3 pitch =0 trk 4 pitch =0 06 trk 1 pitch +2 trk 2 pitch -10 07 trk 3 pitch +2 trk 4 ptich +2 08 BMP&PICH normal 09 reverse 10 EDP reverse (EDP foot controller INSERT ý halfspeed) exp A EDP feedback level exp B RPTR BMP&PITCH cc 014 (000 ­ 127) Bank 02 06 Erase Loop Kindest Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 06:32:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25064; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:31:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:31:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:29:30 +0100 Subject: Re:FOUND OBJECTS USED IN LOOPING From: john cavanagh To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favourite found sound is a field recording of a woodstove which - when it was installed - played a sort of modal tune when air blew down the chimney. Whether you regard it as a grand-scale version of jug blowing or a remarkable piece of psychic phenomena, it's still an inspiring noise and I had great fun constructing a Phosphene track around loops and layers of it! All good wishes, J.C. ********************************** For the latest sights and sounds of Phosphene, check out: http://www.phosphene.debrett.net ********************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 12:15:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09755; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020210171436.24185.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: Martha, Rick, and me To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the great pleasure yesterday to jam with Rick following our lesson on two Martha Stewart wastebaskets, and I can attest that Martha sounds great while getting banged. She may have never before been banged by two drummers at once, but you never know. These little buckets deserve the compliments they are receiving. The range and articulation are incredible, through different spots you can hit, the type of stroke, and how you hold the opening against you. Kudos too to Rick for being able to play while I flailed and stumbled away. It isn't finalized, but I understand that he may be getting a major endorsement contract with Martha, and taking a worldwide tour of Kmart homewares' departments soon. Found percussion- In a hardware store I spotted some light chain(little balls joined by little rods) which can be laid on top of a drum head to bounce and roll while playing. Sort of a combination of a snare and ocean drum. WAWLTT? Rhythmen der Malinke -Famoudou Konate playing very traditional arrangements of Guinea rhythms. World of Gnawa -also traditional recordings from the Gnawa people of Morocco. A Day Out of Time- Trance Mission, with Stephen Kent Didjeridu based 'world beat' Worlds Collide -possibly the best recording of sound ever made, words can not convey the extraordinary depth, vision, and talent displayed by these incredible musicians. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 13:07:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13252; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:06:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:06:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:06:38 -0800 Subject: Re: an mp3 From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020210021925.02db2ec0@marathon.simons-rock.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7eTIB.A.7ND.qarZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's truly beautiful! Makes me regret not having purchased a Filter Factory when they were blowing them out so cheaply. (it was a contest between that and a Warp Factory for the last space in my rack. The Warp Factory won.) I haven't in a long time, but I used to love going to open mic nights and inflicting similar weirdness on unsuspecting audiences. My problem was always that I seemed to have a long set up time and I'd have to get there early to set up before it started, then wait until the final act before I could tear it all down. Now that I've got a Repeater, I've set up a little JamMan set up for such things, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Mark Sottilaro on 2/9/02 11:24 PM, nick ring at nick@simons-rock.edu wrote: > Hey all, > > I thought I'd share w/ you a bit I did recently. I recorded this at the > open mike night at club helsinki (www.clubhelsinkiweb.com). It's about 6 > minutes long. Technically, what I did was periodically, touch the end of > the patch chord to ground it, feeding that into an electrix filter factory, > into a mo-fx, into 3 rds7.6, into a big reverb. I decided to forgo auxes > and the like and just do it in series. The results are at > www.silentradio.org/sounds/openmindnight.mp3. If you give a listen, some > feedback would be fabulous. As you can imagine, it's improv, and I'd never > used this particular setup before. > > thanks, > nick > > ---- > nick ring > www.silentradio.org > www.musicandpolitics.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 13:23:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14221; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:20:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:20:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:20:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Behringer/Repeater (EDP) foot controller From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA14138 Resent-Message-ID: <3Xqt_C.A.JdD.-nrZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So....let me get this straight. The FCB1010 allows you to assign a CC message to any one of it's pads? So pad 1 could send a message to the Repeater that says, "set feedback to 50%"? If so, that would be SWELL! I've struggled trying to use a Yamaha MFC10 and an RFX MIDI Wizard with much frustration. Mark Sottilaro on 2/10/02 3:51 AM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > Hi, > > I also got one of these new Behringer FCB1010, and I must say I like it a > lot. Thanks to David Auker I finally understood how to assign many midi > commands to the same foot pedal and this opened up a lot of possibilities. > Unfortunately you can only set midi channels globally. In my case this means > I have to dedicate some pedals for the EDP and have the rest for Repeater. > But I can live with that. > > Oh, and one bug I found out after a lot of head ace: When programming > Behringer Program Change for the Repeater you have to write the number above > the one you want. As an example, Repeater records on midi PC 3, which means > I have to program the Behringer pedal to send "midi PC 4". > > Ok, anyway, here's what I've set up sofar for rehearsals: > > > Bank 00 > 01 rec trk 2 -12 > 02 undo trk3 pitch =0 > 03 trk rec selct > 04 loop down > 05 loop up > 06 multiply > 07 trk 2 pitch -12 > 08 trk 3 pitch+12 > 09 reverse > 10 EDP reverse (EDP foot controller INSERT ý halfspeed) > exp A EDP feedback level > exp B RPTR feedback level > > > Bank 01 > 01 rec > 02 undo > 03 trk rec selct > 04 trk 1 pitch =0 trk 2 pitch -12 > 05 trk 3 pitch =0 trk 4 pitch =0 > 06 trk 1 pitch +2 trk 2 pitch -10 > 07 trk 3 pitch +2 trk 4 ptich +2 > 08 BMP&PICH normal > 09 reverse > 10 EDP reverse (EDP foot controller INSERT ý halfspeed) > exp A EDP feedback level > exp B RPTR BMP&PITCH cc 014 (000 ­ 127) > > > Bank 02 > 06 Erase Loop > > > Kindest Regards > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 16:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26063; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:06:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Behringer/Repeater (EDP) foot controller Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:56:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So....let me get this straight. The FCB1010 allows you to assign a CC > message to any one of it's pads? Yes. You can also set up a pad to send a bunch of messages. The upper limit to how much can be sent simultaniously by one pad stroke is 2 cc messages, 5 pc messages and one note on. >So pad 1 could send a message to the > Repeater that says, "set feedback to 50%"? If so, that would be SWELL! > > Mark Sottilaro Sure! You can also use one of the two cc pedals to work the repeater feedback (as an expression pedal). IMHO the FCB1010 turnes out to be a quite open system. But it's hard to understand the manual and programming takes a lot of time. There is no way to copy a bank, so for each new bank you have to redo everything from scratch. Per Boysen ----------------------- http://www.boysen.se http://www.upsweden.com/index.php http://www.fuzz.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 17:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30419; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:18:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:18:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C66F140.DDF5CDC4@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:16:32 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: polytown References: <200202081932.OAA20490@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wait wait wait... "Polytown: live show from 10-1-94" what-is-this ? Is there a live album I wasn't aware of? OOOOOHHHH my my my my... Unlucky me, again some money to spend in raw emergency.... Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 19:50:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06665; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:48:11 -0800 Subject: contact microphones - how? From: eileen To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. I'm trying to capture sounds from the inside of a "live" object. Someone suggested using a contact microphone. Would this be the correct type of mic to use? Is a contact microphone able to capture audio? How exactly do the vibrations translate into audio? I'm just a little confused on what the contact microphone actually does. Thanks. eileen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 20:17:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09513; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:15:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:48 PM -0800 2/10/02, eileen wrote: >I'm trying to capture sounds from the inside of a "live" object. >Someone suggested using a contact microphone. Would this be the >correct type of mic to use? It might be, but it depends on the object and what quality of sound you are after. >Is a contact microphone able to capture audio? How exactly do the >vibrations translate into audio? I'm just a little confused on what the >contact microphone actually does. A contact microphone is a particular kind of "transducer," just as any sort of microphone is a transducer. A loudspeaker is another kind of transducer. "Transducer" simply means a device that turns one kind of energy or vibration into another. A contact mic turns the vibrations in a solid object into small electrical signals that can be amplified. The more familiar kinds of microphones (what I sometimes call "air" mics) turn the vibrations of the air into small electrical signals that likewise can be amplified. It isn't necessary (though it might be helpful) to know the technical details of these different types of microphones, but it is important to know to some degree how they behave. The signal coming out of a microphone is not necessarily the same thing that you might hear when standing a few feet away from the object that is being amplified or recorded. Objects radiate different frequencies of sound in different directions, so if you listen to an instrument (such as an acoustic guitar) from one location it will sound differently than it does from another location. Similarly it will sound a lot different if you put your ear against it. Putting your ear against a guitar is in many ways similar to putting a contact mic on a guitar. The quality of sound is very different from the quality of sound you'd hear from a distance. Another thing to consider is that putting your ear, or a contact mic) directly in contact with an object actually affects the sound of the object because it interferes with the free vibration of the object. Though this may seem more complicated than you may have hoped, it's actually an opportunity to learn more about sound and amplification by listening carefully and thinking about the sound you are trying to capture and the technology you are using to do the job. So the answer to your first question about whether to use a contact mic to capture sounds from the inside of an object is "it depends." I'm also not sure what you mean by a "live" object. If you mean "live" as in the case of a live cat, it don't think a contact mic would do you much good. If you mean "live" in the sense of a vibraing object (such as a Martha waste basket), then the answer might be that you can use a contact mic but that you need to be careful where you attach it in order to avoid damping out the sound. Sometimes you need to use a combination of techniques to get the "whole" sound you're after. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 20:39:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10636; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:38:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:38:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:37:54 -0800 Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? From: eileen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:15 PM -0800 2/10/02, Richard Zvonar wrote: > So the answer to your first question about whether to use a contact > mic to capture sounds from the inside of an object is "it depends." > I'm also not sure what you mean by a "live" object. If you mean > "live" as in the case of a live cat, it don't think a contact mic > would do you much good. Thanks for the response. You definitely gave me a good idea on what to expect. By "live" I do mean a living thing, haven't decided what yet. But the way I imagined the sound was what you would hear when let's say a cat purrs. How exactly would that purr sound as it travels through the cat? How would it sound from the outside? Or even when the cat meows...how would that sound? Would a contact mic not be able to translate those sounds into something recognizable? The quality isn't really important, I'm working on some installations and I don't see the quality interfering with my concept. Is a contact mic not a good idea for this project? If not, do you have any ideas on what type of mic could capture something like this? Thanks again for the detailed response. I really appreciate it. eileen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 20:44:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11063; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:44:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've used the sequencer in the Handsonic this way. (Warning: Don't leave it >sitting in record mode with recording active. I managed to fill up memory >doing this and the machine became rather unhappy.) I find it quite annoying, >however, that there's no provision for erasing elements let alone live loop >construction options like multiply. And as you also noted, it's frustrating >that you can't switch parts while recording using the sequencer. > Over in the Hansonics egroup, I'm slowly compiling a wish list for future Handsonic software releases and/or Handsonic Mark II. This'll be on it. >A really good MIDI looper could do so much. After all, the data rates are a >lot smaller than the rates for audio. Some of the things I would like in a >good MIDI looper include: > Most of what you're talking about could probably be done via Performer. >P.S. On top of this, I really wish I had a better way to map my Handsonic to >the sounds in my Emu Planet Earth. The Emu box has some really great sounds >in it but it's going relatively unused because it's proven somewhat >inconvenient to access from a control standpoint. I have the Emu card of that soundset in my XL-7. It has looping capabilites of its own, vastly superior to the Handsonic (tho I didn't get the Handsonic for its looping or sequencing.) It also features a goofy-looking "keyboard" -- actually rubber pads -- for direct note entry/playing. As for MIDI mapping, I still want to see a little box that does that job. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 20:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11655; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:49:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:49:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:51:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hello. >I'm trying to capture sounds from the inside of a "live" object. Someone >suggested using a contact microphone. Would this be the correct type of mic >to use? Is a contact microphone able to capture audio? How exactly do the >vibrations translate into audio? I'm just a little confused on what the >contact microphone actually does. Thanks. > >eileen Here's a link to instructions on how to make a contact mic very cheaply (under $20 -- under $10, if you already have a spare cable with only one working end.) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/5171/acoustic.piezo.mic.txt It's the same method I use for my "electric washboard." --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 21:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13694; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:04:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:11:20 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b2a9$c7409480$5378580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard- hear anything good? promising? other? Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? >Pedro Felix >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 21:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14515; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:16:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110216.VAA19711@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > the way I imagined the sound was what you would hear when let's say a cat > purrs. If you manage to get a good recording of a cat purring, do let me know. I've tried several times and never been able to get anything usable! The other thing I've wanted to do is to record the sound of a dentist's drill as it sounds inside your head. You'd think a bone conduction mic would do that, right? (These are all hypotheticals. I have no cat now and my teeth are apparently fine...) /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 21:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14935; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:20:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:20:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C672B48.922F9444@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:39:03 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mike Hughes, PhD" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? References: <11f.b6d876c.2995d372@aol.com> <004101c1b155$e17bad80$977ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8pbB2.A.DpD.qpyZ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Mike Hughes, PhD" wrote: > Sundry Penguin Cafe Orchestra disks. (almost) entirely acoustic, but > some great examples on there of what could be done with a looper, like > Perpetuum Mobile, plus the actually-looped Telephone and Rubber > Band. Mike returning to the depths..... telephone and rubber band- love that piece! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 21:32:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15909; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:30:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:30:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C672DA6.639825BC@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:49:11 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: talktalk: was Re: JP's Playlist References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim Poppen wrote: > For some balance, I'll pipe up and say that I prefer the > unfinished/less-realized Laughing Stock. The sound of the album is wide > open and refreshing. > > I'll second the recommendation of the Mark Hollis solo CD. If you liked > Talk Talk's last two CDs, you'll like this one. > > Jim > > > From: luca > > > > Agree with david. > > Anyway, it was a big lost they gave it up. > > luca > > > > > > From: > > > > > someone said: > > > > > > >> Talk Talk: Laughing Stock > > > >> This is clearly their best & final Album and > > > > > > well, it was certainly their *final* album; > > > i think that 'spirit of eden' is a much more realised work > > --- 'laughing > > > stock' sounds like outtakes from 'spirit of eden', to me. > > > best, > > > dt / splattercell just curious. did phill brown also engineer laughing stock? i love his work on spirit of eden... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 21:46:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16851; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:45:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:45:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:35:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:37 PM -0800 2/10/02, eileen wrote: > By "live" I do mean a living thing, haven't decided what yet. But >the way I imagined the sound was what you would hear when let's say a cat >purrs. How exactly would that purr sound as it travels through the cat? How >would it sound from the outside? Or even when the cat meows...how would that >sound? Would a contact mic not be able to translate those sounds into >something recognizable? The quality isn't really important, I'm working on >some installations and I don't see the quality interfering with my concept. > >Is a contact mic not a good idea for this project? If not, do you have any >ideas on what type of mic could capture something like this? I don't have any specific recommendations on contact mics, but I expect there are people on this list who might. Percussionists frequently use contact mics to pick up the sound of drums, or as inputs to MIDI drum triggering interfaces. Another thing to realize is that a transducer can work both ways, as a pickup or as a sound-producing element. Components designed as buzzers for electronic devices can also function as contact mics if hooked up in reverse (similarly, headphones can function as microphones!). The efficiency of a contact mic depends a great deal on how intimately coupled it is to the object it's meant to pick up. A furry object such as a cat might not give you very good contact, and shaving a cat is not something you'd want to do. I suspect that your best results might come by using small electret microphones, the sort of lavaliere mics that are commonly used for TV interviews and as part of a wireless system for theatrical performance. Omnidirectional mics would probably be the best, since they have the most linear frequency response in all directions. Experiment with different mounting techniques. It may be necessary to hide the mic inside a piece of fabric, perhaps arranged as a collar. Try it on yourself and on your friends first! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 22:00:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17741; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:58:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1b2a7$d5c00ba0$bee24bc7@default> Reply-To: "Rocky" From: "Rocky" To: Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:57:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As it has already been suggested- Microphones and speakers are much the same thing only going in opposite directions (rip apart a microphone and you'll see a little speaker). So I often use one for the other. I've used headphone pieces as microphones. I've used small walkman external speakers as electric drumsticks beating against my chest and knees. You could take an earpiece from the earplug type headphones and use it as a mic. That's what I would use. Please be merciful to critters in all cases. This item is ancient so I doubt it's available now: A friend gave me a little thing with a 1/4" jack on one end and a little plastic disk on the other and he said it was a speaker for listening to self-improvement audio tapes through your pillow. Using it as a microphone I tied it to a spring clamp from a hardware store and made a squeaking gate sound effect for a radio play. I guess that's a "contact" use. I don't know what a bone conduction mic is. But it brings up a thought - I wonder if you could adapt a mic with a stethoscope for internal body sounds. Rocky (new on list) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 22:12:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19752; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:16:42 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b2b2$e8d23e60$5378580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Rocky To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? >As it has already been suggested- Microphones and speakers are much the same thing only going in opposite directions (rip apart a microphone and you'll see a little speaker). So I often use one for the other. I've used >headphone pieces as microphones. >Rocky (new on list) > a great use! I tried this when I was a squirt as my first mic, utilizing a pair of AKG K141 to sing/speak through. Might try to use them to mic an amp, thanks for the reminder. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 22:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20338; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:19:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:18:34 -0800 Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? From: eileen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c1b2a7$d5c00ba0$bee24bc7@default> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Please be merciful to critters in all cases. I just want to make it clear that I love my cat and would NEVER do anything harmful to her or any other critters. It was just brought up as an example. :) > I wonder if you could adapt a mic with a stethoscope for internal body > sounds. I've actually thought of that. I was thinking how I could channel the output to something I could record, not to lose any of the sensitivity a stethoscope can offer. Here's a great link I found on "how to" build a contact mic. I'm using it with a mini-disc recorder, so I had to change the 1/4" phone jack to a 1/8" stereo phone plug. Hopefully it will work when I put it all together. http://www.silcom.com/~planet5/erinys/contactmic.html Someone else also suggested that I try something similar (with not as much work). Cut an RCA cable in half and strip the inside wires (2). Then solder the wires to the Piezo disc (or attach the 2 wires already connected to the Piezo disc). From there it's a simple RCA to stereo 1/4" (or 1/8") adapter away from connecting into any sort of recording device. I haven't tried this option yet but sounds like it could work. Thanks for all the replies. I really appreciate it. eileen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 10 23:07:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24150; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:00:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:00:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: talktalk: was Re: JP's Playlist Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:59:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: <3C672DA6.639825BC@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_Af_CC.A.54F.qG0Z8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com According to www.allmusic.com (one of my favorite resources on the net!), Phill Brown engineered Sirit of Eden, Laughing Stock, and Mark Hollis' solo cd. Jim > just curious. did phill brown also engineer laughing stock? i love his > work on spirit of eden... > > lance g. > > > Jim Poppen wrote: > > > For some balance, I'll pipe up and say that I prefer the > > unfinished/less-realized Laughing Stock. The sound of the album is wide > > open and refreshing. > > > > I'll second the recommendation of the Mark Hollis solo CD. If you liked > > Talk Talk's last two CDs, you'll like this one. > > > > Jim > > > > > From: luca > > > > > > Agree with david. > > > Anyway, it was a big lost they gave it up. > > > luca > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > someone said: > > > > > > > > >> Talk Talk: Laughing Stock > > > > >> This is clearly their best & final Album and > > > > > > > > well, it was certainly their *final* album; > > > > i think that 'spirit of eden' is a much more realised work > > > --- 'laughing > > > > stock' sounds like outtakes from 'spirit of eden', to me. > > > > best, > > > > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 00:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28986; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:34:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020211053415.84504.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-705437650-1013405655=:83398" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-705437650-1013405655=:83398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical. I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a pulse, and then make each loop different from there. What would be the procedure for doing that? Thanks!!!!! Bradley Fish --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --0-705437650-1013405655=:83398 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hi,

I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical.

I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a pulse, and then make each loop different from there.  

What would be the procedure for doing that?

Thanks!!!!!

Bradley Fish


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Greetings! --0-705437650-1013405655=:83398-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 03:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07317; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:14:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020211053415.84504.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020211053415.84504.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:18:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bradley Fish asks: >I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a >happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive >loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical. do you use LoopCopy=Snd or Next-Multiply (with SwitchQuant=Cnf/Cyc) ? >I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a >pulse, and then make each loop different from there. As I understand, you get the copy of loop 1 in loop 2 as you want, but then in loop 3 you get the copy of loop 2 (with another layer of sound) instead of loop 1. Is that it? If so, there are two ways: - go back to loop 1 before you create loop 3 - dont play while you create the copies of loop 1 in loop 2 and then loop 3 and only add more sound (with overdub or multiply) after the copies are made. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 03:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08529; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:37:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:37:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.58] From: "mark francombe" To: References: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:39:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 08:36:58.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[44CB2000:01C1B2D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My tuppeny bit. De Snauted Haus: By Blectum from Blechdom Volition: By Krakatau Electrolux: Recent dub compilation Songs for swinging Larve: Renaldo & the Loaf (rediscovered @ the w/e) (also) Neu! (but thats normal) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 03:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09609; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:51:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:51:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:56:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: contact microphones - how? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com eileen wants to contact live objects like a cat: > >> I wonder if you could adapt a mic with a stethoscope for internal body >> sounds. > >I've actually thought of that. I was thinking how I could channel the output >to something I could record, not to lose any of the sensitivity a >stethoscope can offer. the stethoscope just transfers the sound through a tube. Too much loss, and the mic can as well be at the source. > >Here's a great link I found on "how to" build a contact mic. I'm using it >with a mini-disc recorder, so I had to change the 1/4" phone jack to a 1/8" >stereo phone plug. Hopefully it will work when I put it all together. > >http://www.silcom.com/~planet5/erinys/contactmic.html > >Someone else also suggested that I try something similar (with not as much >work). Cut an RCA cable in half and strip the inside wires (2). Then solder >the wires to the Piezo disc (or attach the 2 wires already connected to the >Piezo disc). From there it's a simple RCA to stereo 1/4" (or 1/8") adapter >away from connecting into any sort of recording device. I haven't tried this >option yet but sounds like it could work. sounds like the same, since in that link, they just operate a Piezo disc out of a plastic box. And they are available without box, very cheaply, dont ask me where. Dont forget that the piezo needs a high impedance input (at least like an electic guitar). If you drive it directly to the mixer, you loose all bass. Just put some stomp box in between, they usually convert the impedance even if they are switched off. I am really used to drill a whole into the thing I want to capture ;-( Then again, I have seen contact mics in the army for use in noisy ambients: Its a little black box you attach to the throat. Interesting sound. I guess there is a piezo in it. So it should work on the cats throat, too. The point about piezo pickups is that they dont translate movement (since they are very stiff) but pressure. Either bending or pressing. So the best way is to mount it where the pressure is biggest. Between string and bridge, or between the vocal chord and the bones that hold it... The less effective way is to attach it to the vibrating object (sound board, throat) and have a weight on the other side of the piezo which turns this movement into a force by inertia. I guess thats why the army throat mic was not very small (exept that they liked heavy stuff anyway when I knew the army, 20 years ago ;-). You see similar weights on contact mics attached to guitar tops. If its too light, you get no bass. If its too heavy, the guitar will sound less and the cat will not purr... Also, the contact to the object should be pretty direct. So it may take some shaving of the cats throat ;-( I would probably try a small dynamic mic (movement sensitive) attached to the throat first. Have fun and tell us how it sounds or better put up some mp3... Matthias PS You are free to send this text to the guy with the page about contact mics... ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 04:01:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11255; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:58:29 -0800 Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tired of this thread? me3 crazyhorse on vid s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 09:24:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30509; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:22:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:23:52 -0600 Subject: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3096260632_524505_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3096260632_524505_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: just john Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:44:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) >I've used the sequencer in the Handsonic this way. (Warning: Don't leave it >sitting in record mode with recording active. I managed to fill up memory >doing this and the machine became rather unhappy.) I find it quite annoying, >however, that there's no provision for erasing elements let alone live loop >construction options like multiply. And as you also noted, it's frustrating >that you can't switch parts while recording using the sequencer. > Over in the Hansonics egroup, I'm slowly compiling a wish list for future Handsonic software releases and/or Handsonic Mark II. This'll be on it. >A really good MIDI looper could do so much. After all, the data rates are a >lot smaller than the rates for audio. Some of the things I would like in a >good MIDI looper include: > Most of what you're talking about could probably be done via Performer. >P.S. On top of this, I really wish I had a better way to map my Handsonic to >the sounds in my Emu Planet Earth. The Emu box has some really great sounds >in it but it's going relatively unused because it's proven somewhat >inconvenient to access from a control standpoint. I have the Emu card of that soundset in my XL-7. It has looping capabilites of its own, vastly superior to the Handsonic (tho I didn't get the Handsonic for its looping or sequencing.) It also features a goofy-looking "keyboard" -- actually rubber pads -- for direct note entry/playing. As for MIDI mapping, I still want to see a little box that does that job. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * JUST JOHN...WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OF THE HANDSONIC GROUP??TR --MS_Mac_OE_3096260632_524505_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john <just-john@just-john.com= >
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:44:31 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY)=

>I've used the sequencer in the Handsonic this way. (Warning: Don't = leave it
>sitting in record mode with recording active. I managed to fill up memo= ry
>doing this and the machine became rather unhappy.) I find it quite anno= ying,
>however, that there's no provision for erasing elements let alone live = loop
>construction options like multiply. And as you also noted, it's frustra= ting
>that you can't switch parts while recording using the sequencer.
>

Over in the Hansonics egroup, I'm slowly compiling a wish list for future Handsonic software releases and/or Handsonic Mark II.  This'll be on i= t.


>A really good MIDI looper could do so much. After all, the data rates a= re a
>lot smaller than the rates for audio. Some of the things I would like i= n a
>good MIDI looper include:
>

Most of what you're talking about could probably be done via Performer.


>P.S. On top of this, I really wish I had a better way to map my Handson= ic to
>the sounds in my Emu Planet Earth. The Emu box has some really great so= unds
>in it but it's going relatively unused because it's proven somewhat
>inconvenient to access from a control standpoint.

I have the Emu card of that soundset in my XL-7.  It has looping
capabilites of its own, vastly superior to the Handsonic (tho I didn't get<= BR> the Handsonic for its looping or sequencing.) It also features a
goofy-looking "keyboard" -- actually rubber pads -- for direct no= te
entry/playing.

As for MIDI mapping, I still want to see a little box that does that job.
---
* just-john@just-john.com  http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml *

JUST JOHN...WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OF THE HANDSONIC GROUP??TR --MS_Mac_OE_3096260632_524505_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 09:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30157; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:19:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3096260358_508012_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3096260358_508012_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:37:53 -0800 To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) on 2/9/02 3:49 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > What I was proposing was audio looping. > > However -- and I was experimenting with this last night -- one can use the > onboard sequencer for looping of one part of the sequence. There's even > something to allow you to keep it in record mode but not actually record > what you're playing. So you record a little something, put it in this mode > to play along, then back to recording some overlays. > > And that's actually sufficient for straight percussion. I've used the sequencer in the Handsonic this way. (Warning: Don't leave it sitting in record mode with recording active. I managed to fill up memory doing this and the machine became rather unhappy.) I find it quite annoying, however, that there's no provision for erasing elements let alone live loop construction options like multiply. And as you also noted, it's frustrating that you can't switch parts while recording using the sequencer. A really good MIDI looper could do so much. After all, the data rates are a lot smaller than the rates for audio. Some of the things I would like in a good MIDI looper include: * Options like on the Echoplex for multiply, replace, and insert. * I'd like to be able to do note erasing. * I'd like to be able to have multiple tracks and mute/erase tracks essentially as the equivalent to passes through the loop. * I'd like to be able to record phrases live and then fly them in on demand. Sort of a: "Hey, I liked that addition to the loop but I don't want to play it every time. Give me a way to trigger it when I do want it." An audio looper provides an expensive way to do some but not all of this. I've used my MC-505 with some success to try playing with having multiple tracks but it's non-ideal. So, far I've resisted having my computer running in my music "studio" because amongst other things I don't want to mess with a keyboard or mouse while playing. If it were the only way to get a really good MIDI looper, I might reconsider. Mark P.S. On top of this, I really wish I had a better way to map my Handsonic to the sounds in my Emu Planet Earth. The Emu box has some really great sounds in it but it's going relatively unused because it's proven somewhat inconvenient to access from a control standpoint. MARK....I USE THE HANDSONIC AS WELL AS THE PLANET EARTH IN CREATING LOOPS ALSO...I'VE FOUND THAT THE SEQUENCER IS PRETTY MUCH SETUP FOR JUST PLAYING SHORT PATTERNS TO PLAY ALONG WITH AND NOT VERY FUNCTIONAL AS A STAND ALONE SEQUENCER...ROLAND TELLS ME THAT IT REALLY WAS ONLY DESIGNED FOR THIS ...ONE OF THE REAL DRAGS ABOUT IT IS THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE MELODIC SECTION AND RECORD BASS OR KEYBOARDS INTO A TRACK AND THEN TRANSPOSE IT.....IF YOU APPEND IT TO ANOTHER(STICK IT ONTO IT) IT DOESN'T COPY THE TRANSPOSE ALSO...IT GOES BACK TO THE DEFAULT SECTION....MIKE SNYDER AT ROLAND AND I ARE FRIENDS AND HE TOLD ME THAT IT REALLY ISN'T DESIGNED FOR THIS...HE SUGGESTED I GET A LAPTOP AND PERFORMER! HE WAS KIDDING BUT HE MADE HIS POINT CLEAR......BUT ......THE ONE THING THAT WOULD MAKE MY WORLD A LOT EASIER IN STUDIOS AND IN MY LOOPING LIVE WOULD BE TO SIMPLY HAVE ANOTHER PAIR OF ASSIGNABLE OUTPUTS ON IT....THEN I COULD LET THE MIDI OUT OF THE HANDSONIC COUNTROL THE EDP AND NOT RECORD THE SEQUENCE ITSELF BUT BE ABLE TO RECORD WHAT I ACTUALLY PLAY ON IT INTO THE EDP...I'VE ALSO FOUND THAT THE HANDSONIC REALLY HAS SUCH A WEIRD NOTEMAP LAYOUT THAT IT IS VERY LIMITED MELODICALY AND IS DIFFICULT TO ASSIGN IT AS A CONTROLLER FOR OTHER MODULES...PLUS IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK WELL WITH MY ZENDRUMS THAT ARE FAR SUPERIOR AS A MIDI CONTROLLER...I USE THEM TO PLAY THE PLANERT EARTH AS WELL AS MY OTHER MODULES AND SAMPLERS....TR --MS_Mac_OE_3096260358_508012_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY)
From: Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon= .com>
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:37:53 -0800
To: "Looper's Delight" <Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY)

on 2/9/02 3:49 PM, just john at just-john@just= -john.com wrote:

> What I was proposing was audio looping.
>
> However -- and I was experimenting with this last night -- one can use= the
> onboard sequencer for looping of one part of the sequence.  There= 's even
> something to allow you to keep it in record mode but not actually reco= rd
> what you're playing.  So you record a little something, put it in= this mode
> to play along, then back to recording some overlays.
>
> And that's actually sufficient for straight percussion.

I've used the sequencer in the Handsonic this way. (Warning: Don't leave it=
sitting in record mode with recording active. I managed to fill up memory doing this and the machine became rather unhappy.) I find it quite annoying= ,
however, that there's no provision for erasing elements let alone live loop=
construction options like multiply. And as you also noted, it's frustrating=
that you can't switch parts while recording using the sequencer.

A really good MIDI looper could do so much. After all, the data rates are a=
lot smaller than the rates for audio. Some of the things I would like in a<= BR> good MIDI looper include:

* Options like on the Echoplex for multiply, replace, and insert.

* I'd like to be able to do note erasing.

* I'd like to be able to have multiple tracks and mute/erase tracks
essentially as the equivalent to passes through the loop.

* I'd like to be able to record phrases live and then fly them in on demand= .
Sort of a: "Hey, I liked that addition to the loop but I don't want to= play
it every time. Give me a way to trigger it when I do want it."

An audio looper provides an expensive way to do some but not all of this. I've used my MC-505 with some success to try playing with having multiple tracks but it's non-ideal. So, far I've resisted having my computer running=
in my music "studio" because amongst other things I don't want to= mess with
a keyboard or mouse while playing. If it were the only way to get a really<= BR> good MIDI looper, I might reconsider.

Mark

P.S. On top of this, I really wish I had a better way to map my Handsonic t= o
the sounds in my Emu Planet Earth. The Emu box has some really great sounds=
in it but it's going relatively unused because it's proven somewhat
inconvenient to access from a control standpoint.

MARK....I USE THE HANDSONIC AS WELL AS THE PLANET EARTH IN CREATING LOOPS A= LSO...I'VE FOUND THAT THE SEQUENCER IS PRETTY MUCH SETUP FOR JUST PLAYING SH= ORT PATTERNS TO PLAY ALONG WITH AND NOT VERY FUNCTIONAL AS A STAND ALONE SEQ= UENCER...ROLAND TELLS ME THAT IT REALLY WAS ONLY DESIGNED FOR THIS ...ONE OF= THE  REAL DRAGS ABOUT IT IS THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE MELODIC SECTION = AND RECORD BASS OR KEYBOARDS INTO A TRACK AND THEN TRANSPOSE IT.....IF YOU A= PPEND IT TO ANOTHER(STICK IT ONTO IT) IT DOESN'T COPY THE TRANSPOSE ALSO...I= T GOES BACK TO THE DEFAULT SECTION....MIKE SNYDER AT ROLAND AND I ARE FRIEND= S AND HE TOLD ME THAT IT REALLY ISN'T DESIGNED FOR THIS...HE SUGGESTED I GET= A LAPTOP AND PERFORMER! HE WAS KIDDING BUT HE MADE HIS POINT CLEAR......BUT= ......THE ONE THING THAT WOULD MAKE MY WORLD A LOT EASIER IN STUDIOS AND IN= MY LOOPING LIVE WOULD BE TO SIMPLY HAVE ANOTHER PAIR OF ASSIGNABLE OUTPUTS = ON IT....THEN I COULD LET THE MIDI OUT OF THE HANDSONIC COUNTROL THE EDP AND= NOT RECORD THE SEQUENCE ITSELF BUT BE ABLE TO RECORD WHAT I ACTUALLY PLAY O= N IT INTO THE EDP...I'VE ALSO FOUND THAT THE HANDSONIC REALLY HAS SUCH A WEI= RD NOTEMAP LAYOUT THAT IT IS VERY LIMITED MELODICALY AND IS DIFFICULT TO ASS= IGN IT AS A CONTROLLER FOR OTHER MODULES...PLUS IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK WELL = WITH MY ZENDRUMS THAT ARE FAR SUPERIOR AS A MIDI CONTROLLER...I USE THEM TO = PLAY THE PLANERT EARTH AS WELL AS MY OTHER MODULES AND SAMPLERS....TR
 --MS_Mac_OE_3096260358_508012_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 09:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32322; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:50:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:50:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:49:50 EST Subject: Re: polytown To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com olivier, >"Polytown: live show from 10-1-94" >what-is-this ? >Is there a live album I wasn't aware of? no, but..... there are certainly plenty of bootlegs (of live performances) available. you may want to join the following list, as the members therein are currently organising a marginally comprehensive bootleg-burning-'tree': List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 11:41:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07444; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:40:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:40:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:43:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/10/02 5:44 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > I have the Emu card of that soundset in my XL-7. It has looping > capabilites of its own, vastly superior to the Handsonic (tho I didn't get > the Handsonic for its looping or sequencing.) It also features a > goofy-looking "keyboard" -- actually rubber pads -- for direct note > entry/playing. How is the XL-7? I've contemplated replacing my MC-505 with an XL-7. The things I like about my MC-505: * The phrase sequencer is fun for live playing in a way that's a bit more interesting than just muting and unmuting tracks. The main thing I dislike about my MC-505: * I hate having to stop the sequencer to do things like save a pattern. I've also been tempted by the Machinedrum, but that's moving in rather a different direction. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 12:06:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09836; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:04:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:04:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:59:09 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the charts In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Richard Zvonar Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <3huv9D.A.qYC.rl_Z8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" has just reached #1 in the top 100 chart for NAV (New Age Voice - despite the name, a catchall for ambient, new age, world fusion, space music, etc.). The disc was originally self-produced and self-promoted last year by member Chris Meyer, and it has been picked up by Valley Entertainment . -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 12:31:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11493; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:29:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:29:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020211172906.81331.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:29:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-776322937-1013448546=:79815" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-776322937-1013448546=:79815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for responding! Ok, I was using LoopCopy=Snd. I tried not playing until the other copies were made but it did'nt work for me. Is there something IU'm missing? This may seem like a silly question, but how do you go back to loop 1 instead of the next loop? Thanks!!!! Bradley Fish Matthias Grob wrote: Bradley Fish asks: >I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a >happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive >loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical. do you use LoopCopy=Snd or Next-Multiply (with SwitchQuant=Cnf/Cyc) ? >I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a >pulse, and then make each loop different from there. As I understand, you get the copy of loop 1 in loop 2 as you want, but then in loop 3 you get the copy of loop 2 (with another layer of sound) instead of loop 1. Is that it? If so, there are two ways: - go back to loop 1 before you create loop 3 - dont play while you create the copies of loop 1 in loop 2 and then loop 3 and only add more sound (with overdub or multiply) after the copies are made. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --0-776322937-1013448546=:79815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thanks for responding!

Ok, I was using LoopCopy=Snd. I tried not playing until the other copies were made but it did'nt work for me. Is there something IU'm missing?

This may seem like a silly question, but how do you go back to loop 1 instead of the next loop?

Thanks!!!!

Bradley Fish

 

  Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:

Bradley Fish asks:
>I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a
>happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive
>loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical.

do you use LoopCopy=Snd or Next-Multiply (with SwitchQuant=Cnf/Cyc) ?

>I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a
>pulse, and then make each loop different from there.

As I understand, you get the copy of loop 1 in loop 2 as you want,
but then in loop 3 you get the copy of loop 2 (with another layer of
sound) instead of loop 1. Is that it?
If so, there are two ways:
- go back to loop 1 before you create loop 3
- dont play while you create the copies of loop 1 in loop 2 and then
loop 3 and only add more sound (with overdub or multiply) after the
copies are made.

--


---> http://Matthias.Grob.org


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Greetings! --0-776322937-1013448546=:79815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 12:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11695; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:30:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:30:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020211120342.00acc718@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:27:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: listening to today Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, call me lazy. but i just got my first CD multi-changer and have just discovered the juxtapositional delights of "random mode". i could suggest that we mutate this thread into favorite combos of jagged picks. here's what goes together good: white hassle - national chain led zeppelin - II asian travels - comp the tower recordings - fraternity of moonwalkers mogwai - rock action add ice and shake well. re: laughing stock i just had to pull it out again after being reminded in this forum, and oh yes. only that it sounds just a bit kinda pete gabriel-y is a tad off-putting, but since they do it w/out any sermonizing it works. and every single groove is amazing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 13:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16455; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:30:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:30:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:28:25 -0600 (CST) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Subject: electroic India Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For all of you guys interested in Tablas and such; here is a link that might be of interest... www.sharmanmusicals.com/ei.html A+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 13:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17181; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020211124145.007fc9f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:41:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: listening to today In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020211120342.00acc718@mail.pdfsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please no. M.. At 12:27 PM 2/11/02 -0500, you wrote: > >ok, call me lazy. >but i just got my first CD multi-changer and have just discovered the >juxtapositional delights of "random mode". i could suggest that we mutate >this thread into favorite combos of jagged picks. > >here's what goes together good: > >white hassle - national chain >led zeppelin - II >asian travels - comp >the tower recordings - fraternity of moonwalkers >mogwai - rock action > >add ice and shake well. > >re: laughing stock >i just had to pull it out again after being reminded in this forum, and oh >yes. > >only that it sounds just a bit kinda pete gabriel-y is a tad off-putting, >but since they do it w/out any sermonizing it works. and every single >groove is amazing. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 14:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19561; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020211172906.81331.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020211172906.81331.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:10:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it
Thanks for responding!
Ok, I was using LoopCopy=Snd. I tried not playing until the other copies were made but it did'nt work for me. Is there something IU'm missing?
This may seem like a silly question, but how do you go back to loop 1 instead of the next loop?

try LoopCopy=Off, SwitchQuant=CYC and press Next right after the Loopend. Then, while all LEDs are brown (loop did not switch yet), you can step through the loops till back to 1 (or longNext) and then press Multiply to make the copy. All this has to happen before the next loop end, because then the switching happens. If thats too stressy for you, try SwitchQuant=Cnf (in the upgrade, we will have the combinations: CycleConfirm and LoopConfirm).

take it easy and loop as you can!


Thanks!!!!
Bradley Fish
 
  Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:
Bradley Fish asks:
>I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a
>happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive
>loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical.

do you use LoopCopy=Snd or Next-Multiply (with SwitchQuant=Cnf/Cyc) ?

>I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a
>pulse, and then make each loop different from there.

As I understand, you get the copy of loop 1 in loop 2 as you want,
but then in loop 3 you get the copy of loop 2 (with another layer of
sound) instead of loop 1. Is that it?
If so, there are two ways:
- go back to loop 1 before you create loop 3
- dont play while you create the copies of loop 1 in loop 2 and then
loop 3 and only add more sound (with overdub or multiply) after the
copies are made.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 14:11:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19916; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:10:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:10:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:09:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: electroic India Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:28 PM -0600 2/11/02, SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO wrote: > For all of you guys interested in Tablas and such; here is a link that >might be of interest... > >www.sharmanmusicals.com/ei.html This URL should be: http://www.sharmamusicals.com/ei.html -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 14:12:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20072; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:57:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I'd make an mp3 and send it to you, but I had to reinstall windows >on my computer, and now I'm missing drivers for my soundcard. >Needless to say, my computer is kind of being a jerk in general. >It's been 2 months since it stopped working, and everytime I do some >major repair on it, something else goes wrong. Grrr! sympathies from a mac user that is having the same type of problems over the same (if not longer) time period. switching to the dark side, believe it or not. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 14:24:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20903; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:23:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:22:10 -0600 (CST) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Subject: Re: electroic India In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep... On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Chris Muir wrote: > At 12:28 PM -0600 2/11/02, SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO wrote: > > For all of you guys interested in Tablas and such; here is a link that > >might be of interest... > > > >www.sharmanmusicals.com/ei.html > > This URL should be: > http://www.sharmamusicals.com/ei.html > > -- > http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between > cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 14:59:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23879; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:58:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:58:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6822B1.AD96F7DA@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:59:45 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Central Coast Loopfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Daniel Seymour , Rick Walker , Max Valentino , Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , Steven Rice , Stan Card , Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro , Mark Hamburg , Miko Biffle , Richard Zvonar , Bill Walker , "io777@iname.com" , "Cliff@BienAppraisers" From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Loopers Delight , Paul Andreano Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, First off, allow me to apologize for not contacting you sooner. I wanted to get all of my ducks in a row before getting everybody all worked up. Things were very touch-and-go over the past week, but we have confirmed World Drum and Dance Studio (formerly Higher Movement Drum and Dance Studio) on 778 Francis St. in San Luis Obispo as a final venue for the Loopfest (although I rather like Andre's title of "Loopstock"). This spot will give us plenty of room, and we shouldn't have any complaints from the neighbors. The Loopfest will take place on Saturday March 2nd, 2002 from 3-10 pm. Setup and sound checks will be from 2-3, workshops from 3-4, and performances from 4-10. Each performer/group will have 30 minutes to do their thing. The sound system will be as follows: JBL 1x18", 1x15", 1x12", 1x1.5" per side, quad-amped, for a total of about 2000W per side. Floor monitors will be JBL 1x12" + 1x1.5", 600W times two. On your end, hopefully you will be giving me either a stereo pair (or mono) on 1/4" phone plugs or XLR, or else I can mic a cabinet or three. Also, please try to consolidate your power into a single plug, if possible. If you have special needs, please let me know ASAP and chances are that I can accommodate you (i.e. tables, blacklights, etc.). I will have a video projector there, so if you are accustomed to working with a video backdrop (or want to), we can do that. Bring a tape, DVD, or laptop. I'm trying to get someone to record the whole festival to DAT or hard drive, but I haven't confirmed anything yet. Any volunteers? Also, I encourage everyone to bring their cameras and/or video cameras for posterity. For anyone in town Friday night March 1st, armatronix will be performing loop-based electronic dance music at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos from 9-1:30ish. This will be a fundraiser for the Loopfest, but loopers will be provided a secret password to get in for free. Sweet Springs is an easy walk from Armatron Studios, the home for homeless and/or drunken loopers on the Central Coast. ***** At this time, I need to confirm everybody who is planning on performing so that I can come up with a schedule of performances and also spam the media. Please provide me with a group name or alias if you will be using one. In addition, I would like a brief (half-page maximum) bio from everyone so that I can start to spam the local media and make a festival program. Include your contact information. Please try to get me this info by Thursday, if at all possible. Also, please let me know approximately how much space you will need to set up. If there are any questions, feel free to e-mail me at hans@ernieball.com (or armatronix@charter.net on weekends), or call (805)534-1009 evenings/weekends. I look forward to seeing you all! Yours, -Hans Lindauer P.S. I'll carbon-copy this to Looper's Delight, so sorry to everybody who gets this one twice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 15:10:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26118; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:10:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:10:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791096@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Central Coast Loopfest Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:09:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <_IFyP.A.UXG.FUCa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will not be attending any of the loopfests, but I sure would enjoy a decent VHS copy of the shows. How enlightening it would be to not only hear what the nation's loopers are capable of, but to see them in action. May I suggest that there be a GearCam, as looping is, if not by definition, then certainly a de facto device-ridden enterprise. I want to see feet stomping on things, fingers twiddling knobs and performers in general sweating not only to keep up with their instruments, but the NORAD-level complexity of their racks. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:hans@ernieball.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:00 PM To: Daniel Seymour; Rick Walker; Max Valentino; Matthias Grob; Hans Lindauer; Ted Killian; Rich Atkison; Steven Rice; Stan Card; Tom Heasley; Mark Sottilaro; Mark Hamburg; Miko Biffle; Richard Zvonar; Bill Walker; io777@iname.com; Cliff@BienAppraisers Cc: Loopers Delight; Paul Andreano Subject: Central Coast Loopfest Dear Loopers, First off, allow me to apologize for not contacting you sooner. I wanted to get all of my ducks in a row before getting everybody all worked up. Things were very touch-and-go over the past week, but we have confirmed World Drum and Dance Studio (formerly Higher Movement Drum and Dance Studio) on 778 Francis St. in San Luis Obispo as a final venue for the Loopfest (although I rather like Andre's title of "Loopstock"). This spot will give us plenty of room, and we shouldn't have any complaints from the neighbors. The Loopfest will take place on Saturday March 2nd, 2002 from 3-10 pm. Setup and sound checks will be from 2-3, workshops from 3-4, and performances from 4-10. Each performer/group will have 30 minutes to do their thing. The sound system will be as follows: JBL 1x18", 1x15", 1x12", 1x1.5" per side, quad-amped, for a total of about 2000W per side. Floor monitors will be JBL 1x12" + 1x1.5", 600W times two. On your end, hopefully you will be giving me either a stereo pair (or mono) on 1/4" phone plugs or XLR, or else I can mic a cabinet or three. Also, please try to consolidate your power into a single plug, if possible. If you have special needs, please let me know ASAP and chances are that I can accommodate you (i.e. tables, blacklights, etc.). I will have a video projector there, so if you are accustomed to working with a video backdrop (or want to), we can do that. Bring a tape, DVD, or laptop. I'm trying to get someone to record the whole festival to DAT or hard drive, but I haven't confirmed anything yet. Any volunteers? Also, I encourage everyone to bring their cameras and/or video cameras for posterity. For anyone in town Friday night March 1st, armatronix will be performing loop-based electronic dance music at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos from 9-1:30ish. This will be a fundraiser for the Loopfest, but loopers will be provided a secret password to get in for free. Sweet Springs is an easy walk from Armatron Studios, the home for homeless and/or drunken loopers on the Central Coast. ***** At this time, I need to confirm everybody who is planning on performing so that I can come up with a schedule of performances and also spam the media. Please provide me with a group name or alias if you will be using one. In addition, I would like a brief (half-page maximum) bio from everyone so that I can start to spam the local media and make a festival program. Include your contact information. Please try to get me this info by Thursday, if at all possible. Also, please let me know approximately how much space you will need to set up. If there are any questions, feel free to e-mail me at hans@ernieball.com (or armatronix@charter.net on weekends), or call (805)534-1009 evenings/weekends. I look forward to seeing you all! Yours, -Hans Lindauer P.S. I'll carbon-copy this to Looper's Delight, so sorry to everybody who gets this one twice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 15:27:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27291; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:26:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:26:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c1b33a$b2c64d60$5c4f4ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" References: Subject: Re: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the charts Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:27:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2gO7yB.A.bpG.YjCa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" > has just reached #1 in the top 100 chart for NAV (New Age Voice - > despite the name, a catchall for ambient, new age, world fusion, > space music, etc.). > > > > The disc was originally self-produced and self-promoted last year by > member Chris Meyer, and it has been picked up by Valley Entertainment > . Congrats on the success, Richard - that's great news. Does anyone on list have back issues of NAV? I was informed by them that they'd reviewed my album ages ago, but never did see the review (perhaps it was less than positive, and they didn't want to send it to me... dunno) - but if anyone has seen it in there, I'd love to hear what it said... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 15:27:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27437; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:26:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:26:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:29:45 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Central Coast Loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002501c1b33a$d7dacb80$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C6822B1.AD96F7DA@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Hans... I'm afraid I won't be able to make it at this point. Too many saturday commitments have stacked up in March with my son and wife. Best of luck though and have a GREAT show! -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Lindauer To: Daniel Seymour ; Rick Walker ; Max Valentino ; Matthias Grob ; Hans Lindauer ; Ted Killian ; Rich Atkison ; Steven Rice ; Stan Card ; Tom Heasley ; Mark Sottilaro ; Mark Hamburg ; Miko Biffle ; Richard Zvonar ; Bill Walker ; ; Cliff@BienAppraisers Cc: Loopers Delight ; Paul Andreano Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Central Coast Loopfest > Dear Loopers, > > First off, allow me to apologize for not contacting you sooner. I wanted to get > all of my ducks in a row before getting everybody all worked up. > > Things were very touch-and-go over the past week, but we have confirmed World > Drum and Dance Studio (formerly Higher Movement Drum and Dance Studio) on 778 > Francis St. in San Luis Obispo as a final venue for the Loopfest (although I > rather like Andre's title of "Loopstock"). This spot will give us plenty of > room, and we shouldn't have any complaints from the neighbors. > > The Loopfest will take place on Saturday March 2nd, 2002 from 3-10 pm. Setup > and sound checks will be from 2-3, workshops from 3-4, and performances from > 4-10. Each performer/group will have 30 minutes to do their thing. > > The sound system will be as follows: JBL 1x18", 1x15", 1x12", 1x1.5" per side, > quad-amped, for a total of about 2000W per side. Floor monitors will be JBL > 1x12" + 1x1.5", 600W times two. On your end, hopefully you will be giving me > either a stereo pair (or mono) on 1/4" phone plugs or XLR, or else I can mic a > cabinet or three. Also, please try to consolidate your power into a single > plug, if possible. If you have special needs, please let me know ASAP and > chances are that I can accommodate you (i.e. tables, blacklights, etc.). > > I will have a video projector there, so if you are accustomed to working with a > video backdrop (or want to), we can do that. Bring a tape, DVD, or laptop. > > I'm trying to get someone to record the whole festival to DAT or hard drive, but > I haven't confirmed anything yet. Any volunteers? Also, I encourage everyone > to bring their cameras and/or video cameras for posterity. > > For anyone in town Friday night March 1st, armatronix will be performing > loop-based electronic dance music at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos from > 9-1:30ish. This will be a fundraiser for the Loopfest, but loopers will be > provided a secret password to get in for free. Sweet Springs is an easy walk > from Armatron Studios, the home for homeless and/or drunken loopers on the > Central Coast. > > ***** At this time, I need to confirm everybody who is planning on performing > so that I can come up with a schedule of performances and also spam the media. > Please provide me with a group name or alias if you will be using one. In > addition, I would like a brief (half-page maximum) bio from everyone so that I > can start to spam the local media and make a festival program. Include your > contact information. Please try to get me this info by Thursday, if at all > possible. Also, please let me know approximately how much space you will need > to set up. > > If there are any questions, feel free to e-mail me at hans@ernieball.com (or > armatronix@charter.net on weekends), or call (805)534-1009 evenings/weekends. > > I look forward to seeing you all! > > Yours, > > -Hans Lindauer > > P.S. I'll carbon-copy this to Looper's Delight, so sorry to everybody who gets > this one twice. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 15:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27954; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.93] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: roland / boss Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:34:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 20:34:03.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[717FD550:01C1B33B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems that roland/boss will do as they please without the concerns of the musically inclined consumer. Many times have come up in communications with Boss, that they didn't even want to hear what the consumer had to say about their gear. To bad for such a solid pedal manufactor. denis _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 16:08:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31949; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:09:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 2/10/02 5:44 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > >> I have the Emu card of that soundset in my XL-7. It has looping >> capabilites of its own, vastly superior to the Handsonic (tho I didn't get >> the Handsonic for its looping or sequencing.) It also features a >> goofy-looking "keyboard" -- actually rubber pads -- for direct note >> entry/playing. > >How is the XL-7? I've contemplated replacing my MC-505 with an XL-7. > I'd say I'm still learning. Didn't realize until last night that you can jump from part to part while recording. And I haven't been NEAR the patch editing bits. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 16:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32247; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:10:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >As for MIDI mapping, I still want to see a little box that does that job. > >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > >JUST JOHN...WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OF THE HANDSONIC GROUP??TR handsonic@yahoogroups.com --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 16:43:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02447; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:43:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:43:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:41:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 21:42:00.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFCC0D80:01C1B344] Resent-Message-ID: <7OKpbB.A.Ul.HrDa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's got a great sound, but the sequencer leaves A LOT to be desired from anyone looking for echoplex/repeater functionality in midi form. Totally Ridiculous... You can record live, switching between 16 tracks, each addressing all 32 internal midi channels, and 32 external. BUT: - there's no undo - the cut function is buried, and stops the sequencer anyway - multiply is buried and stops the sequencer - midi implementation of the sequencer, as opposed to the sound module section, is limited Emu is actively updating the OS, but at this point, I'm holding out for the next update before looking for a laptop based sequencer solution - the onboard one is built for Roland groove kiddies. As far as the sound however, YM will always V, but I think the sounds are the best I've used. They are clear and strong, without the overwrought ear candy of most Korg gear, or the tubby 'bedroom tone' of Roland. If the unit could undo, a handsonic, XL-7, the earth ROM, and a few cheaps-ass effects would be all you need to take over the planet :> ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) > >on 2/10/02 5:44 PM, just john at just-john@just-john.com wrote: > > > >> I have the Emu card of that soundset in my XL-7. It has looping > >> capabilites of its own, vastly superior to the Handsonic (tho I didn't get > >> the Handsonic for its looping or sequencing.) It also features a > >> goofy-looking "keyboard" -- actually rubber pads -- for direct note > >> entry/playing. > > > >How is the XL-7? I've contemplated replacing my MC-505 with an XL-7. > > > > I'd say I'm still learning. Didn't realize until last night that you can > jump from part to part while recording. > > And I haven't been NEAR the patch editing bits. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 16:44:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02725; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:44:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <110.d24ad59.29999500@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:43:28 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA02578 Resent-Message-ID: <-Uyah.A.lo.JsDa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim kashkashian/robert levin - paul hindemith's sonatas for viola/piano & viola alone ryuichi sakamoto - soundtrack to 'little buddha' andré la fosse - edp solos nobukazu takemura - scope centrozoon - rough mixes 2002 terje rypdal - descendre senator bad brains - quickness yoshihiro hanno - april various bits of ian naismith, pedro felix, sandor szabo, etc (catching up on discs that folk send to me) the jarboe stuff that i'm working on, the page hamilton stuff that i'm working on & the new splattercell material that i'm working on. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 16:47:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03042; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:47:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:48:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Resent-Message-ID: <-lbQ4C.A.su.yuDa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Emu is actively updating the OS, Yeah, maybe the next release will actually USE the USB-looking port in the back? (I wrote them to ask if it was what it looked like it was, and they said it was to be used in the future ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 16:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03853; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C683FB3.2E6847CB@traumteam.org> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:03:31 +0100 From: Axel Hanfreich Organization: Schmollmund Produktion: http://www.schmollmund.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: repeater sound quality Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi list, i just got the electrix repeater 3 days ago. i'm a bit disappointed by the sound quality. i get a lot of hush on the output, even if all channels are "muted" (i mean all sliders down). if playing loops from the flash card, there's always some zipper noise coming through the output, even if all tracks are "muted" is this the normal behaviour of the repeater ? thanks -- Axel Hanfreich http://www.hanfreich.de http://www.schnute.net axel@hanfreich.de Forthcoming Release: Smooth Pilots - I'm your man (Schnute Re.Dope) 12", Wohnton Musik / Distr.: Nova Media Release: March 2002 Also on Compilation: Deep Chords D-LP/CD/12", Lab Records / Distr.: PP Sales Forces Release: March 2002 Tour Dates: Every tuesday in Stuttgart, Tearoom: Schmollmund Session 01.02. Bern (CH), Dampfzentrale: Schnute 03.02. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Schmollmud Traumfabrik 16.02. Darmstadt, Schloßkeller: Schnute 17.02. Stuttgart, LeFonque: Futuristic Retro Sunday 07.03. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Jinny & Hanfreich 08.03. Würzburg, Club L: Jinny & Hanfreich 09.03. Stuttgart, Rogers Kiste: Jinny & Hanfreich 11.03. Reutlingen, Cafe Nepomuk: Jinny & Hanfreich 05.04. Bayreuth 06.04. Jena, Kassablanca: Schnute 13.04. Leipzig, Cosmophon: Schnute 04.05. Dresden, F6 Jazz & Groove Night: Schnute (Option) 10.05. München, Kaba Party @ Feierwerk: Schnute 11.05. Chemnitz, Voxxx: Schnute 24.05. Hilden, Jazztage: Schnute (mit Nils Landgren Funk Unit) 25.05. Münster, Hot Jazz Club: Schnute From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 16:56:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03808; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:54:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 21:54:04.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F732290:01C1B346] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, that's what it's >supposed< to be for. I'd rather they made the thing work first, though... at the moment, it's an awesome sounding unit, with an uninspired sequencer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) > > >Emu is actively updating the OS, > > Yeah, maybe the next release will actually USE the USB-looking port in the > back? (I wrote them to ask if it was what it looked like it was, and they > said it was to be used in the future ...) > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06263; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:12:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:11:13 EST Subject: Re: repeater sound quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com axel@traumteam.org writes: >i'm a bit disappointed by the sound quality. >i get a lot of hush on the output, even if all channels are >"muted" (i mean all sliders down). what is 'hush' --- do you mean to say 'hiss'? if the outputs are turned off, it should not make *any* sound at all. ??? >if playing loops from the flash card, there's always some >zipper noise coming through the output, even if all tracks >are "muted" erm..... anyone help this guy? >is this the normal behaviour of the repeater ? no. out of curiousity, which version of software is installed? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:13:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06478; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jimb@ehmail.com Date: 11 Feb 2002 14:12:05 -0800 Message-ID: <20020211221205.3272.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Feb 2002 22:12:05 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jimb@ehmail.com Subject: Re: FOUND OBJECTS USED IN LOOPING Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:15 PM >I had the great pleasure yesterday to jam with Rick following >our lesson on two Martha Stewart wastebaskets, and I can >attest that Martha sounds great while getting banged. She >may have never before been banged by two drummers at once, >but you never know. Sounds like a pant-load of fun. I hope you both wore protection (uh... for your hands, I mean. We wouldn't want you damaging those delicate digits). This thread has reminded me of a loop thing I did with a metal wastebasket back in ...ooh, probably the very early eighties. Wasn't a MS model, though. She was probably still trying to figure out which end of a paint brush you hold. I know that tape is still lurking in a box somewhere. James Bailey host: A Missing Sense / Electric Storm CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto http://ckln.sac.ryerson.ca __________________________________________________________ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07177; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:21:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C68460B.6B9E3D3E@traumteam.org> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:30:35 +0100 From: Axel Hanfreich Organization: Schmollmund Produktion: http://www.schmollmund.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sound quality References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what is 'hush' --- do you mean to say 'hiss'? yeah i mean 'hiss', thx :-) > > out of curiousity, which version of software is installed? the *manaual* says 1.1. but the device ... ? how can i find it out ?? -- Axel Hanfreich http://www.hanfreich.de http://www.schnute.net axel@hanfreich.de Forthcoming Release: Smooth Pilots - I'm your man (Schnute Re.Dope) 12", Wohnton Musik / Distr.: Nova Media Release: March 2002 Also on Compilation: Deep Chords D-LP/CD/12", Lab Records / Distr.: PP Sales Forces Release: March 2002 Tour Dates: Every tuesday in Stuttgart, Tearoom: Schmollmund Session 01.02. Bern (CH), Dampfzentrale: Schnute 03.02. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Schmollmud Traumfabrik 16.02. Darmstadt, Schloßkeller: Schnute 17.02. Stuttgart, LeFonque: Futuristic Retro Sunday 07.03. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Jinny & Hanfreich 08.03. Würzburg, Club L: Jinny & Hanfreich 09.03. Stuttgart, Rogers Kiste: Jinny & Hanfreich 11.03. Reutlingen, Cafe Nepomuk: Jinny & Hanfreich 05.04. Bayreuth 06.04. Jena, Kassablanca: Schnute 13.04. Leipzig, Cosmophon: Schnute 04.05. Dresden, F6 Jazz & Groove Night: Schnute (Option) 10.05. München, Kaba Party @ Feierwerk: Schnute 11.05. Chemnitz, Voxxx: Schnute 24.05. Hilden, Jazztage: Schnute (mit Nils Landgren Funk Unit) 25.05. Münster, Hot Jazz Club: Schnute From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07287; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:21:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:21:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:20:38 -0800 Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <110.d24ad59.29999500@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8GqQJD.A.8uB.cPEa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the jarboe stuff that i'm working on, > the page hamilton stuff that i'm working on & > the new splattercell material that i'm working on. > > dt / splattercell > hey i wanna listen to that stuff too... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:22:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07442; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:21:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C684607.6FB29E1A@traumteam.org> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:30:31 +0100 From: Axel Hanfreich Organization: Schmollmund Produktion: http://www.schmollmund.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sound quality References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what is 'hush' --- do you mean to say 'hiss'? yeah i mean 'hiss', thx :-) > > out of curiousity, which version of software is installed? the *manaual* says 1.1. but the device ... ? how can i find it out ?? -- Axel Hanfreich http://www.hanfreich.de http://www.schnute.net axel@hanfreich.de Forthcoming Release: Smooth Pilots - I'm your man (Schnute Re.Dope) 12", Wohnton Musik / Distr.: Nova Media Release: March 2002 Also on Compilation: Deep Chords D-LP/CD/12", Lab Records / Distr.: PP Sales Forces Release: March 2002 Tour Dates: Every tuesday in Stuttgart, Tearoom: Schmollmund Session 01.02. Bern (CH), Dampfzentrale: Schnute 03.02. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Schmollmud Traumfabrik 16.02. Darmstadt, Schloßkeller: Schnute 17.02. Stuttgart, LeFonque: Futuristic Retro Sunday 07.03. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Jinny & Hanfreich 08.03. Würzburg, Club L: Jinny & Hanfreich 09.03. Stuttgart, Rogers Kiste: Jinny & Hanfreich 11.03. Reutlingen, Cafe Nepomuk: Jinny & Hanfreich 05.04. Bayreuth 06.04. Jena, Kassablanca: Schnute 13.04. Leipzig, Cosmophon: Schnute 04.05. Dresden, F6 Jazz & Groove Night: Schnute (Option) 10.05. München, Kaba Party @ Feierwerk: Schnute 11.05. Chemnitz, Voxxx: Schnute 24.05. Hilden, Jazztage: Schnute (mit Nils Landgren Funk Unit) 25.05. Münster, Hot Jazz Club: Schnute From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09357; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:47:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <160.89d0e53.2999a3df@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:46:55 EST Subject: Re: repeater sound quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com axel@traumteam.org writes: >the *manaual* says 1.1. but the device ... ? >how can i find it out ?? the sw-version shows in the display, as the repeater is switched on. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09923; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:56:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:56:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C684E52.87243A6B@traumteam.org> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:05:54 +0100 From: Axel Hanfreich Organization: Schmollmund Produktion: http://www.schmollmund.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sound quality References: <160.89d0e53.2999a3df@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thx. it says: repeater 1.10 Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > axel@traumteam.org writes: > > >the *manaual* says 1.1. but the device ... ? > >how can i find it out ?? > the sw-version shows in the display, as the repeater is switched on. > dt / splattercell -- Axel Hanfreich http://www.hanfreich.de http://www.schnute.net axel@hanfreich.de Forthcoming Release: Smooth Pilots - I'm your man (Schnute Re.Dope) 12", Wohnton Musik / Distr.: Nova Media Release: March 2002 Also on Compilation: Deep Chords D-LP/CD/12", Lab Records / Distr.: PP Sales Forces Release: March 2002 Tour Dates: Every tuesday in Stuttgart, Tearoom: Schmollmund Session 01.02. Bern (CH), Dampfzentrale: Schnute 03.02. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Schmollmud Traumfabrik 16.02. Darmstadt, Schloßkeller: Schnute 17.02. Stuttgart, LeFonque: Futuristic Retro Sunday 07.03. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Jinny & Hanfreich 08.03. Würzburg, Club L: Jinny & Hanfreich 09.03. Stuttgart, Rogers Kiste: Jinny & Hanfreich 11.03. Reutlingen, Cafe Nepomuk: Jinny & Hanfreich 05.04. Bayreuth 06.04. Jena, Kassablanca: Schnute 13.04. Leipzig, Cosmophon: Schnute 04.05. Dresden, F6 Jazz & Groove Night: Schnute (Option) 10.05. München, Kaba Party @ Feierwerk: Schnute 11.05. Chemnitz, Voxxx: Schnute 24.05. Hilden, Jazztage: Schnute (mit Nils Landgren Funk Unit) 25.05. Münster, Hot Jazz Club: Schnute From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 17:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10294; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:58:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3C684607.6FB29E1A@traumteam.org> Subject: Re: repeater sound quality Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:57:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 22:57:34.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E8AF9F0:01C1B34F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I get a 'tick tick tick' from mine. Not all the time, but I haven't stopped to work out quite when. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Hanfreich" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Re: repeater sound quality > > what is 'hush' --- do you mean to say 'hiss'? > > yeah i mean 'hiss', thx :-) > > > > > > out of curiousity, which version of software is installed? > > the *manaual* says 1.1. but the device ... ? > how can i find it out ?? > > > -- > Axel Hanfreich > > http://www.hanfreich.de > http://www.schnute.net > axel@hanfreich.de > > Forthcoming Release: > Smooth Pilots - I'm your man (Schnute Re.Dope) > 12", Wohnton Musik / Distr.: Nova Media > Release: March 2002 > Also on Compilation: Deep Chords > D-LP/CD/12", Lab Records / Distr.: PP Sales Forces > Release: March 2002 > > Tour Dates: > Every tuesday in Stuttgart, Tearoom: Schmollmund Session > 01.02. Bern (CH), Dampfzentrale: Schnute > 03.02. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Schmollmud Traumfabrik > 16.02. Darmstadt, Schloßkeller: Schnute > 17.02. Stuttgart, LeFonque: Futuristic Retro Sunday > 07.03. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Jinny & Hanfreich > 08.03. Würzburg, Club L: Jinny & Hanfreich > 09.03. Stuttgart, Rogers Kiste: Jinny & Hanfreich > 11.03. Reutlingen, Cafe Nepomuk: Jinny & Hanfreich > 05.04. Bayreuth > 06.04. Jena, Kassablanca: Schnute > 13.04. Leipzig, Cosmophon: Schnute > 04.05. Dresden, F6 Jazz & Groove Night: Schnute (Option) > 10.05. München, Kaba Party @ Feierwerk: Schnute > 11.05. Chemnitz, Voxxx: Schnute > 24.05. Hilden, Jazztage: Schnute (mit Nils Landgren Funk Unit) > 25.05. Münster, Hot Jazz Club: Schnute > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:00:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11548; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:59:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:59:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:58:48 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: repeater sound quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017e01c1b34f$aab12950$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C68460B.6B9E3D3E@traumteam.org> Resent-Message-ID: <8pCWaB.A.FiC.qyEa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are you using the headphone outs? they definitely are noisy and pick up a lot of interference from the cfc. the "zipper noise" is not effected by the channel level, because it is bleeding directly into the headphone amp... mine makes some noise on the line outs as well (not as much as the headphone outs). i think it might be defective, because electrix claims the line outs should not be noisy. i haven't checked the digital outs yet... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Hanfreich" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Re: repeater sound quality > > what is 'hush' --- do you mean to say 'hiss'? > > yeah i mean 'hiss', thx :-) > > > > > > out of curiousity, which version of software is installed? > > the *manaual* says 1.1. but the device ... ? > how can i find it out ?? > > > -- > Axel Hanfreich > > http://www.hanfreich.de > http://www.schnute.net > axel@hanfreich.de > > Forthcoming Release: > Smooth Pilots - I'm your man (Schnute Re.Dope) > 12", Wohnton Musik / Distr.: Nova Media > Release: March 2002 > Also on Compilation: Deep Chords > D-LP/CD/12", Lab Records / Distr.: PP Sales Forces > Release: March 2002 > > Tour Dates: > Every tuesday in Stuttgart, Tearoom: Schmollmund Session > 01.02. Bern (CH), Dampfzentrale: Schnute > 03.02. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Schmollmud Traumfabrik > 16.02. Darmstadt, Schloßkeller: Schnute > 17.02. Stuttgart, LeFonque: Futuristic Retro Sunday > 07.03. Stuttgart, Le Fonque: Jinny & Hanfreich > 08.03. Würzburg, Club L: Jinny & Hanfreich > 09.03. Stuttgart, Rogers Kiste: Jinny & Hanfreich > 11.03. Reutlingen, Cafe Nepomuk: Jinny & Hanfreich > 05.04. Bayreuth > 06.04. Jena, Kassablanca: Schnute > 13.04. Leipzig, Cosmophon: Schnute > 04.05. Dresden, F6 Jazz & Groove Night: Schnute (Option) > 10.05. München, Kaba Party @ Feierwerk: Schnute > 11.05. Chemnitz, Voxxx: Schnute > 24.05. Hilden, Jazztage: Schnute (mit Nils Landgren Funk Unit) > 25.05. Münster, Hot Jazz Club: Schnute > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11874; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:00:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:00:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E650140379109D@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: repeater sound quality Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:00:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Only partially related, but I, too was very frustrated with the noise level produced by my Repeater. That was until, however, I took the time to rack everything up, pay attention to the cabling, effects order and - most importantly - set all my levels right. Now the whole rig is much, much more quiet than I have ever experienced and the Repeater is transparent. Now the biggest source of noise (other than that which is intentional) is the damn EMI ricocheting through my apartment and into my Tele at all but the most awkward and uncomfortable angles for playing. I strike some very strange poses trying to stay within the seemingly random noise-free sweet spots in my bedroom. I think I might put foil or copper screening on all six sides of the room. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sound quality axel@traumteam.org writes: >the *manaual* says 1.1. but the device ... ? >how can i find it out ?? the sw-version shows in the display, as the repeater is switched on. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:08:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12459; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:07:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:07:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the charts Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:11:35 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b359$d5d2ae60$516a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very cool. Congratulations! impressive list also. Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar To: Richard Zvonar Date: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the charts >Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" >has just reached #1 in the top 100 chart for NAV (New Age Voice - >despite the name, a catchall for ambient, new age, world fusion, >space music, etc.). > > > >The disc was originally self-produced and self-promoted last year by>member Chris Meyer, and it has been picked up by Valley Entertainment>. > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:08:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12584; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:08:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:08:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:13:33 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b35a$1b5d1c40$516a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? kim kashkashian/robert levin - paul hindemith's sonatas for viola/piano & viola alone ryuichi sakamoto - soundtrack to 'little buddha' andré la fosse - edp solos nobukazu takemura - scope centrozoon - rough mixes 2002 terje rypdal - descendre senator bad brains - quickness yoshihiro hanno - april various bits of ian naismith, pedro felix, sandor szabo, etc (catching up on discs that folk send to me) the jarboe stuff that i'm working on, the page hamilton stuff that i'm working on & the new splattercell material that i'm working on. dt / splattercell whoo. Thanks! yer making me smile :) is the sc material the lovebubble music or something else? Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:10:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12892; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C684E8F.991498E4@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:06:55 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sound quality References: <3C684607.6FB29E1A@traumteam.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > I get a 'tick tick tick' from mine. Not all the time, but I haven't stopped > to work out quite when. > midi cable too close to unbal cable ????? sorry wanted to say something claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:21:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13606; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:20:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:20:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <80.17733f0f.2999ab6f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:19:11 EST Subject: Re: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the charts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_80.17733f0f.2999ab6f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_80.17733f0f.2999ab6f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/11/02 12:04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" > has just reached #1 in the top 100 chart for NAV super cool!....what a great web-site, im gettin me a 3 tiered bird bath and loopin some tweeties!.....richard, can we get this cd directly from you?.....:)m --part1_80.17733f0f.2999ab6f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/11/02 12:04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" <http://www.aliaszone.com>
has just reached #1 in the top 100 chart for NAV


super cool!....what a great web-site, im gettin me a 3 tiered bird bath and loopin some tweeties!.....richard, can we get this cd directly from you?.....:)m --part1_80.17733f0f.2999ab6f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:43:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15798; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:42:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:42:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:32:26 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the charts In-reply-to: <80.17733f0f.2999ab6f@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1198651565==_ma============" References: <80.17733f0f.2999ab6f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1198651565==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" In a message dated 2/11/02 12:04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" >has just reached #1 in the top 100 chart for NAV At 6:19 PM -0500 2/11/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >can we get this cd directly from you?..... I have only a handful of Alias Zone CDs myself, but the new edition should be available by now from standard retail sources. I believe Backroads Music still has a few of the original edition in stock. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1198651565==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the c

In a message dated 2/11/02 12:04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:
Our band Alias Zone's CD, "Lucid Dreams" <http://www.aliaszone.com> has just reached #1 in the top 100 chart for NAV

At 6:19 PM -0500 2/11/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
can we get this cd directly from you?.....

I have only a handful of Alias Zone CDs myself, but the new edition should be available by now from standard retail sources. I believe Backroads Music still has a few of the original edition in stock.

        <http://www.backroadsmusic.com/catalog/best/bestof2001.htm>
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--============_-1198651565==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:43:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15673; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:42:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:42:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <17.2318acb2.2999b0b8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:41:44 EST Subject: Re: Central Coast Loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.2318acb2.2999b0b8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17.2318acb2.2999b0b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/11/02 2:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes: > San Luis Obispo this burb falls between frisco and la correct?.....march second.....sounds very inviting.....please keep us posted.....:)m --part1_17.2318acb2.2999b0b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/11/02 2:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:


San Luis Obispo


this burb falls between frisco and la correct?.....march second.....sounds very inviting.....please keep us posted.....:)m --part1_17.2318acb2.2999b0b8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16977; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:56:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:56:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.83.131] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:55:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 23:55:10.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A74C680:01C1B357] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Myself playing my brand new bamboo tenor saxophone. Seriously. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 18:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18504; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:58:17 EST Subject: Re: CD promo spam - Alias Zone "Lucid Dreams" in the charts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.16a14607.2999b499_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f8.16a14607.2999b499_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/11/02 6:42:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > http://www.backroadsmusic.com/catalog/best/bestof2001.htm thanks richard.....:)m --part1_f8.16a14607.2999b499_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/11/02 6:42:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


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thanks richard.....:)m --part1_f8.16a14607.2999b499_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 19:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19501; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C685CD8.F4872DF3@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:07:51 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater sound quality References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_lieN.A.2vE.j1Fa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to the Electrix discussion forum, select the option where you can read all messages (as opposed to just the ones from the last 30 days or whatever), and take a look around. There are a few threads in the very early pages, from right after the unit first shipped, relating to some noise issues. Specifically, the bit about a zipper noise when playing off the flash card is apparently a hardware issue, according to this thread, and a specific post from Damon: http://www.electrixpro.com/UBB/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000017.html There are a couple of other noise-related threads on that general page (not the thread) which might help clear things up...? Good luck. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 19:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22764; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:57:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:57:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <39.2267a7b9.2999c25b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:56:59 EST Subject: Re: What are we listening to today? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pedro, >is the sc material the lovebubble music or something else? no: splattercell remains truly splattercell, while lovebubble is on the backburner (burning backwards --- it's been mastered awready for, like, 1-1/2 years?). ..... thanks for asking! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 11 21:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30782; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c1b36f$b8643040$9ee24bc7@default> Reply-To: "Rocky" From: "Rocky" To: Subject: will this mess up guitar pickups? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <3tG80D.A.RgH.hKIa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Question for wiser souls: Any reason not to run a small spinning motor next to guitar pickups? Motors like the top row in this pic http://www.science-is.com/fullpics/electricmotors.jpg Powered by 2 AA batteries. I mean will it magnetize something that should be magnetic (or vice versa)? Or some other electrical tainting? I ask because I sort of want to spin something on the guitar strings to serve as a bow effect. I tried the e-bow briefly and I don't think it'll be of use to me. Would the same motor be a danger to tape heads within a certain distance? 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Glad to be here. Here's my contribution. I imagine that plenty of people here are tooling around with Acid Music. If you want to pick up some cheap loop libraries, Guitar Center has discs from Magix (publishers of Magix Music Maker) for $4.99. There are Guitar Centers all over the U.S. so I thought that I'd spread the word. The weird thing about the Magix stuff is that the wording of their copyright is a little weird. Where the Acid Music stuff always makes very clear that you are welcome to do as you will with derivative works, the Magix discs almost make it sound like you can't. I'm going to email Magix and find out. Looking forward to all of the great stuff that I'll be reading on this list. Take care everybody! - Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 00:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09348; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:20:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020212052012.24973.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-22126730-1013491212=:24232" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-22126730-1013491212=:24232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Matthias! I'm honored to have the guy who designed this thing helping me with tech support. Very cool! Your little invention is changing my world. Ok, I tried what you suggested and I can't get it to work. It's all or nothing when I try to copy. Would you mind walking me through it like you just turned the echoplex on go through every button and press that needs to be done. I know its laborious but it would make a great addition to the instruction manual! To recap, I want to play a simple percussion part in Loop 1, copy it to loops 2 and 3, and then make each loop unique from there. Thanks much!!! Bradley Fish Matthias Grob wrote: Thanks for responding! Ok, I was using LoopCopy=Snd. I tried not playing until the other copies were made but it did'nt work for me. Is there something IU'm missing? This may seem like a silly question, but how do you go back to loop 1 instead of the next loop? try LoopCopy=Off, SwitchQuant=CYC and press Next right after the Loopend. Then, while all LEDs are brown (loop did not switch yet), you can step through the loops till back to 1 (or longNext) and then press Multiply to make the copy. All this has to happen before the next loop end, because then the switching happens. If thats too stressy for you, try SwitchQuant=Cnf (in the upgrade, we will have the combinations: CycleConfirm and LoopConfirm). take it easy and loop as you can! Thanks!!!! Bradley Fish Matthias Grob wrote: Bradley Fish asks: >I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a >happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive >loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical. do you use LoopCopy=Snd or Next-Multiply (with SwitchQuant=Cnf/Cyc) ? >I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a >pulse, and then make each loop different from there. As I understand, you get the copy of loop 1 in loop 2 as you want, but then in loop 3 you get the copy of loop 2 (with another layer of sound) instead of loop 1. Is that it? If so, there are two ways: - go back to loop 1 before you create loop 3 - dont play while you create the copies of loop 1 in loop 2 and then loop 3 and only add more sound (with overdub or multiply) after the copies are made. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --0-22126730-1013491212=:24232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hi Matthias! I'm honored to have the guy who designed this thing helping me with tech support. Very cool! Your little invention is changing my world.

Ok,  

I tried what you suggested and I can't get it to work. It's all or nothing when I try to copy. Would you mind walking me through it like you just turned the echoplex on go through every button and press that needs to be done. I know its laborious but it would make a great addition to the instruction manual!

To recap, I want to play a simple percussion part in Loop 1, copy it to loops 2 and 3, and then make each loop unique from there.  

Thanks much!!!

Bradley Fish

 

 

  Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:

Thanks for responding!
Ok, I was using LoopCopy=Snd. I tried not playing until the other copies were made but it did'nt work for me. Is there something IU'm missing?
This may seem like a silly question, but how do you go back to loop 1 instead of the next loop?

try LoopCopy=Off, SwitchQuant=CYC and press Next right after the Loopend. Then, while all LEDs are brown (loop did not switch yet), you can step through the loops till back to 1 (or longNext) and then press Multiply to make the copy. All this has to happen before the next loop end, because then the switching happens. If thats too stressy for you, try SwitchQuant=Cnf (in the upgrade, we will have the combinations: CycleConfirm and LoopConfirm).

take it easy and loop as you can!


Thanks!!!!
Bradley Fish

 
  Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> wrote:
Bradley Fish asks:
>I just got my echoplex digital pro and lovin' it. OK, so I am a
>happy but confused newbie. I am able to copy a loop into successive
>loops, but then it keeps copying so all my loops sound identical.

do you use LoopCopy=Snd or Next-Multiply (with SwitchQuant=Cnf/Cyc) ?

>I WANT to copy a simple percussion pattern into each loop as a
>pulse, and then make each loop different from there.

As I understand, you get the copy of loop 1 in loop 2 as you want,
but then in loop 3 you get the copy of loop 2 (with another layer of
sound) instead of loop 1. Is that it?
If so, there are two ways:
- go back to loop 1 before you create loop 3
- dont play while you create the copies of loop 1 in loop 2 and then
loop 3 and only add more sound (with overdub or multiply) after the
copies are made.

--

---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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Greetings! --0-22126730-1013491212=:24232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 01:55:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13713; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:53:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:53:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:51:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020212052012.24973.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fish-- Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it. So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop. By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button). You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became sanctified by the loop. Also download the archives :>} Gary PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 05:29:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00825; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:27:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:32:15 +0100 Subject: Repeater From: Troissoeur To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'm a guitarplayer from belgium (Europe) Finally I got my repeater. Now I'm searching for a good midi Footswitsh with lots of possibilities, so I can change all the Parametres by feet. Does anyone of you have a sugesstion??? Please let me know. info@troissoeur.com Pieter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 08:57:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20713; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:56:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c1b3cc$5dacf1c0$860c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #255 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:51:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #255 February 7, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. These artists will be featured at the Manikin Marathon in April, a 36 hour concert celebrating ten years of the Manikin label. The Featured CD at midnight was "The Annazaal Tapes" on the Manikin label. The vinyl show starter was "Pinnacles" by Edgar Froese on the Virgin label. I played the music of Orbital Decay who will play at the IceHouse in Bethlehem on February 16. Keller, Schönwälder & Friends http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#feb Manikin Marathon http://www.manikin.de/bodynews.html#sulza_e Orbital Decay http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Edgar Froese Specific Gravity of Pinnacles (Virgin) Smile Orbital Decay Live on Star's End * CDR of 8-12-01 broadcast VA [Klangwelt] Blue Planet Syntonic Waves Vol 8 (Spheric) Steve Roach Present Moment Streams and Currents (Projekt) VA [dreamSTATE] White Winter Moon ambient.01@hyperreal (none) Jeff Pearce Migration of Souls The Light Beyond (Hypnos) Dweller at the Ouroborus Part 2 Ouroborus (Hypnos/Binary) Threshold 12:00 am Broekhuis, Keller, Ghost in the Machine The Annazaal Tapes (Manikin) Schönwälder, & Friends Broekhuis, Keller, 731 The Annazaal Tapes (Manikin) Schönwälder, & Friends Broekhuis, Keller, Shapes The Annazaal Tapes (Manikin) Schönwälder, & Friends Broekhuis, Keller, Unter Kontrolle The Annazaal Tapes (Manikin) Schönwälder, & Friends 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Reason Why" by Keller & Schönwälder on the Manikin label. Next week's vinyl show starter will be "Ricochet" by Tangerine Dream. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 09:01:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22408; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:00:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoWeAreDisguised@aol.com Message-ID: <42.221c1286.299a79e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:00:02 EST Subject: Alesis Ineko? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.221c1286.299a79e2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_42.221c1286.299a79e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, it's my first post, like that matters. So what's the deal with the Alesis Ineko? It sounds like the perfect effects box for my Repeater, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Does its difficulty in obtaining have anything to do with the Alesis "crash and burn" last year? Thank you Ryan --part1_42.221c1286.299a79e2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, it's my first post, like that matters.  So what's the deal with the Alesis Ineko?  It sounds like the perfect effects box for my Repeater, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.  Does its difficulty in obtaining have anything to do with the Alesis "crash and burn" last year?

Thank you
Ryan --part1_42.221c1286.299a79e2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 10:35:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01107; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:34:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:34:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C69362C.CD64CC9D@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:35:08 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Central Coast Loopfest References: <200202121029.FAA01050@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's right - depending upon traffic, it's about 3 hours' drive from Los Angeles, and 4 hours from San Francisco. That's in California, by the way. I'll certainly keep LD informed of any info that may be of interest - stay tuned. -Hans > > San Luis Obispo > > this burb falls between frisco and la correct?.....march second.....sounds > very inviting.....please keep us posted.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 10:40:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01886; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:39:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212103234.00accba0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:36:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #87 In-Reply-To: <200202121029.FAA01048@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2i3u5D.A.ob.ncTa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >There are Guitar Centers all over the U.S. so I thought >that I'd spread the word. there's also measles, poverty, dry rot and religious fanaticism. don't do em any favors. xo a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 11:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08960; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:30:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:30:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c1b3e2$b6fa1cb0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <42.221c1286.299a79e2@aol.com> Subject: Re: Alesis Ineko? Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't know who carries it yet, but this press release seems to confirm that it's shipping ... somewhere. http://www.alesis.com/news/press/Ineko.html and at least distribution ambiguity has not stopped them from making further fx proc product announcements (or from using naming conventions that take Webster and kick him hard, repeatedly): http://www.alesis.com/news/press/MODFX.html mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Alesis Ineko? > Hello, it's my first post, like that matters. So what's the deal with the > Alesis Ineko? It sounds like the perfect effects box for my Repeater, but I > can't seem to find it anywhere. Does its difficulty in obtaining have > anything to do with the Alesis "crash and burn" last year? > > Thank you > Ryan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 11:45:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10454; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:45:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c1b3e4$88567f50$0100a8c0@zen> From: "Bohus Blahut" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212103234.00accba0@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #87 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:44:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_CWnQ.A.OiC.5ZUa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >There are Guitar Centers all over the U.S. so I thought > >that I'd spread the word. > > there's also measles, poverty, dry rot and religious fanaticism. > don't do em any favors. Sorry. It's not like I work for them or anything. I just picking up cheap stuff when I can... Hope that someone else takes advantage of this as I have. Awesome nick BTW "anti:clockwise". - Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 12:22:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15539; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:21:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:20:27 -0800 Subject: Mac issues? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: <3ITqbD.A.5wD.h7Ua8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Huh. What kind of Mac problems are you having? I was having a ton of problems for a while. Constant crashes. It turned out that when they burned the machine at the factory, they put an error on the Hard Drive. My initial instinct was to wipe the drive clean when it arrived, but I was super busy. My bad. A deep reformat was all it needed, and now my G4 mac purrs like a kitten. Here's another reason not to go to the dark side: OS X is amazing. True, there's little audio software for it now, but MOTU says it's less than a year away from a Digital Performer for OSX, and I'm pretty sure Logic is already out. I'm in the middle of a 3D animation render right now, and I'm having no problem launching and running other apps. They don't even seem to be slowing down my render, and I don't have a super dual processor G4 either, just a single 450 (but a gig.2 worth of ram, it's cheap!) Having purchased a MOTU 828 firewire audio interface, my plan is to be able to bring that and an iBook to a gig and get an 8 channel direct to disk recording. You could probably do this on a PC too, but I bet it wouldn't me nearly as easy. Mark On Monday, February 11, 2002, at 10:57 AM, rich wrote: > > sympathies from a mac user that is having the same type of problems > over the same (if not longer) time period. > > switching to the dark side, believe it or not. > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 12:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16190; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:25:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:25:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:24:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Mac issues? From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Mark Sottilaro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/12/02 11:20 AM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net said somethin' like: > Huh. What kind of Mac problems are you having? I was having a ton of > problems for a while. Constant crashes. It turned out that when they > burned the machine at the factory, they put an error on the Hard Drive. > My initial instinct was to wipe the drive clean when it arrived, but I > was super busy. My bad. A deep reformat was all it needed, and now my > G4 mac purrs like a kitten. > > Here's another reason not to go to the dark side: OS X is amazing. I just wanted to say this: Amen! -Mike, whose brand new LCD G4 800Mhz iMac is less than 1 week old ... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 12:34:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17286; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:33:44 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Mac issues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008901c1b3eb$6be63520$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MY PC WANT TO KILL YOUR MAC-A! 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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B3F1.2A66E080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 13:54:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26846; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020212125142.008d5800@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:51:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it In-Reply-To: References: <20020212052012.24973.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you suggest a foot controller that will do the same thing? Thanks, M... At 10:51 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >Fish-- >Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it. >So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button >presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion >will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go >back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop. >By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a >keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI >controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop >trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button). > >You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became >sanctified by the loop. >Also download the archives :>} > >Gary > >PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to >operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the >EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is >that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once. >G > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 14:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32011; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:34:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:34:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Cc: Subject: SV: Repeater Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:23:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello, > > I'm a guitarplayer from belgium (Europe) > Finally I got my repeater. Now I'm searching for a good midi > Footswitsh with lots of possibilities, so I can change all the > Parametres by feet. > Does anyone of you have a sugesstion??? > Please let me know. > info@troissoeur.com > Pieter Hi Pieter, I picked up a Behringer FBC1010 for 208.165 EUR (182.451 USD) here in Sweden. Guess prices are on the same level as in your country. I did two quite detailed posts on it yesterday - yes, I like it a lot. Also check out the web at http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=FCB1010 cheers Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 14:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32658; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:40:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:40:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: repeater sound quality Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E650140379109D@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > awkward and uncomfortable angles for playing. I strike some very strange > poses trying to stay within the seemingly random noise-free sweet spots in > my bedroom. LOL - posted any pics? ;-D) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 14:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01236; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:51:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:51:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E65014037910AB@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:50:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <9sa2HC.A.pR.WIXa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As is my style, not in direct relation with the string, but: I, too, picked up a FBC1010 and am enjoying the hell out of it. Still programming things and deciding on the best use of its functionality. One question: the Repeater has MIDI In, Out and Through. Unfortunately, to pass FBC1010 commands through to other MIDI devices, I have to connect them post-Repeater via the Through port. Thing is, though, I was really hoping the Repeater augmented the incoming MIDI info it outputs to the Through port with the MIDI timecode it produces. It does not. I could have a master MIDI clock farther up the chain which would work fine, but I'd also like to make the Repeater the MIDI clock master as well as pass other non-Repeater commands through to devices down the line. What's the best means to accomplish this? A MIDI merge right behind the Repeater, combining the Repeater's Out and Through info? I paged through the Repeater manual and could not find a definitive answer as to in what modes (MIDI, User, Beat) the Repeater actually generates timecode. Any ideas? Per said: >LOL - posted any pics? ;-D)< No, I do not have any pics of my startling posture while trying to maintain a noise-free performance, unfortunately. Imagine Pilates with a guitar for the visual. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: info@troissoeur.com Subject: SV: Repeater > Hello, > > I'm a guitarplayer from belgium (Europe) > Finally I got my repeater. Now I'm searching for a good midi > Footswitsh with lots of possibilities, so I can change all the > Parametres by feet. > Does anyone of you have a sugesstion??? > Please let me know. > info@troissoeur.com > Pieter Hi Pieter, I picked up a Behringer FBC1010 for 208.165 EUR (182.451 USD) here in Sweden. Guess prices are on the same level as in your country. I did two quite detailed posts on it yesterday - yes, I like it a lot. Also check out the web at http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=FCB1010 cheers Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 14:54:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01567; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:53:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:53:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Live Electronics Atlanta GA @ Eyedrum Gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008901c1b3eb$6be63520$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Euphonic Productions presents An Evening of Electronic Music featuring @ Eyedrum Gallery (http://www.eyedrum.org) Atlanta Ga Friday February 15, 2002 ja_dijiste Son of C.O.D. Magicicada $5 at the door magicicada://found sound/live loop creation/electroacoustical exploration\\ http://www.magicicada.com Son of C.O.D. http://sonofcod.cjb.net ja_dijste are: Iñaki Ríos aka Kanito (computer) (Valladolid, Spain) Rui Costa (computer) (Lisbon, Portugal) http://simon.futuresounds.com/users/kanito From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 15:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03581; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:02:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:02:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020212115526.05259388@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:58:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020212125142.008d5800@mail.airmail.net> References: <20020212052012.24973.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any FULL-FEATURED midi controller will work. Digitech PMC-10, Lake-Butler Midigator, Rocktron AllAccess, Yamaha MFC-10, Roland FC-200, and I guess the new behringer FCB1010. (I haven't looked into that last one much so I'm not sure.) kim At 10:51 AM 2/12/2002, Michael Clark wrote: >Can you suggest a foot controller that will do the same thing? > >Thanks, > >M... > > > >At 10:51 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Fish-- > >Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it. > >So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button > >presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion > >will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go > >back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop. > >By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a > >keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI > >controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop > >trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button). > > > >You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became > >sanctified by the loop. > >Also download the archives :>} > > > >Gary > > > >PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to > >operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the > >EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is > >that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once. > >G > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 15:06:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03929; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:05:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:05:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:04:50 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: Re: Mac issues? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 09:20 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Here's another reason not to go to the dark side: OS X is amazing. here here! OS X truly is awesome. i was skeptical at first, but it has performed so well and is such a joy to use i have been converted. never will i switch to the dark side. VirtualPC under OS X runs quite well if i ever run across an absolute essential PC-only software item, which is pretty rare. i can think of a few Mac-only software items (Absynth) i wouldn't know how to run on a PC, they must have some reverse version of VirtualPC... if you spend a lot of time in your OS it's all just so much easier and more pleasant on a Mac imho. > Having purchased a MOTU 828 firewire audio interface, my plan is to be > able to bring that and an iBook to a gig and get an 8 channel direct to > disk recording. You could probably do this on a PC too, but I bet it > wouldn't me nearly as easy. > > Mark > the iBooks are looking really sweet for live gigs, both for recording and as an instrument. you can get the low-end ones for $1200 new now! couple that with something like the Oxygen8 controller ($130) and you are set. i am planning on this as my next major purchase also. that and a Canon GL-1 will complete my wish list... sigh ;) -jb ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 15:07:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04204; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:06:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020212200556.80384.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: RE: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020212125142.008d5800@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-48757798-1013544356=:80368" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-48757798-1013544356=:80368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, I did it-well, almost! I can copy my original loop into each loop and then make each one unique from there. Cool! But now I have a new problem: Sometimes the loop I'm listening to will just stop when it reaches the end for (seemingly?) no reason until I press overdub. Any idea why it's stopping? also, I'm using a GR-33 Roland guitar synth with this to generate my sounds. Does anyone know if there is anyway I can use the MIDI on that to switch loops and such? Thanks! Bradley Fish Michael Clark wrote: Can you suggest a foot controller that will do the same thing? Thanks, M... At 10:51 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >Fish-- >Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it. >So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button >presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion >will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go >back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop. >By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a >keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI >controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop >trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button). > >You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became >sanctified by the loop. >Also download the archives :>} > >Gary > >PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to >operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the >EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is >that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once. >G > > --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --0-48757798-1013544356=:80368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

OK,

I did it-well, almost! I can copy my original loop into each loop and then make each one unique from there. Cool! But now I have a new problem:

Sometimes the loop I'm listening to will just stop when it reaches the end for (seemingly?) no reason until I press overdub. Any idea why it's stopping?

also, I'm using a GR-33 Roland guitar synth with this to generate my sounds. Does anyone know if there is anyway I can use the MIDI on that to switch loops and such?

Thanks!

Bradley Fish    

 

 

  Michael Clark <mcl451@airmail.net> wrote:

Can you suggest a foot controller that will do the same thing?

Thanks,

M...



At 10:51 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Fish--
>Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it.
>So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button
>presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion
>will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go
>back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop.
>By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a
>keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI
>controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop
>trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button).
>
>You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became
>sanctified by the loop.
>Also download the archives :>}
>
>Gary
>
>PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to
>operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the
>EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is
>that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once.
>G
>
>


Do You Yahoo!?
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Virtual Mac on PC In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:04 PM -0800 2/12/02, Jeff Blanding wrote: >...they must have some reverse version of VirtualPC... http://www.pona.net/basilisk/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 15:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07952; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:55:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C69811F.2D9F6C94@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:54:56 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it References: <20020212052012.24973.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020212115526.05259388@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling a Yamaha MFC-10, if anyone is interested. It's practicaly brand new, and has never been used at a gig. I'm hoping for somewhere around $180? (+shipping) I paid around $280 for it only a few months ago. I don't think I have the original box, but I now I have the manual. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > any FULL-FEATURED midi controller will work. Digitech PMC-10, Lake-Butler > Midigator, Rocktron AllAccess, Yamaha MFC-10, Roland FC-200, and I guess > the new behringer FCB1010. (I haven't looked into that last one much so I'm > not sure.) > kim > > At 10:51 AM 2/12/2002, Michael Clark wrote: > >Can you suggest a foot controller that will do the same thing? > > > >Thanks, > > > >M... > > > > > > > >At 10:51 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote: > > >Fish-- > > >Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it. > > >So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button > > >presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion > > >will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go > > >back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop. > > >By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a > > >keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI > > >controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop > > >trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button). > > > > > >You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became > > >sanctified by the loop. > > >Also download the archives :>} > > > > > >Gary > > > > > >PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to > > >operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the > > >EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is > > >that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once. > > >G > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 16:00:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09407; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C698219.336FCC6F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:59:06 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac issues? References: <008901c1b3eb$6be63520$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neither your PC, nor my Macintosh are alive. (Same to all those with "Kill Your Television" bumperstickers) jim palmer wrote: > MY PC WANT TO KILL YOUR MAC-A! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 16:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09598; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:59:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Mac issues? Virtual Mac on PC Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:58:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 20:58:35.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[0960C740:01C1B408] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure, but does it run under virtualPC? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Mac issues? Virtual Mac on PC > At 12:04 PM -0800 2/12/02, Jeff Blanding wrote: > >...they must have some reverse version of VirtualPC... > > http://www.pona.net/basilisk/ > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 16:24:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10727; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:23:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:22:50 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Mac issues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ec01c1b40b$6cade460$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <008901c1b3eb$6be63520$080210ac@jpalmer> <3C698219.336FCC6F@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Neither your PC, nor my Macintosh are alive. >... no, but zappa will live forever. i guess it was too obscure a reference... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 16:29:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11275; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:28:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:22:12 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Mac issues? Virtual Mac on PC In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:58 PM -0800 2/12/02, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >Sure, but does it run under virtualPC? It's free, so you can easily check it out an let us know. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 18:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18814; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: , References: Subject: Copying presets with FCB 1010 (was Re: Behringer/Repeater (EDP) foot controller) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:04:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 23:04:37.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4CDFE30:01C1B419] Resent-Message-ID: <6z0iaC.A.NlE.k-Za8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Sure! You can also use one of the two cc pedals to work the repeater > feedback (as an expression pedal). IMHO the FCB1010 turnes out to be a quite > open system. But it's hard to understand the manual and programming takes a > lot of time. There is no way to copy a bank, so for each new bank you have > to redo everything from scratch. > (Snipped from: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010 ) Behringer FCB1010 Extra HOWTO These are in an addendum to the manual published on Behringer's site in January 2002: thanks to Jos van Hoorn for drawing it to my attention. The text is taken from the (with minor editing). Copying Presets Activate CONFIG in the GLOBAL SETUP (see chapter 2.2 of the manual). Now, press footswitch 5 to activate the copy function. (The VALUE 1 LED lights up and the number in the display starts flashing.) Enter the number of the preset you wish to copy and confirm your selection with UP/ENTER. Presets 1 - 10 are stored in bank 0, presets 11 - 20 in bank 1, and so on. (The VALUE 2 LED lights up and the number in the display starts flashing.) Enter the target preset and confirm your selection with UP/ENTER, or cancel with DOWN/ESCAPE. If you want to copy further presets, please press footswitch 5 again. Press and hold DOWN/ESCAPE to quit the GLOBAL SETUP. Toggling between two controller values in a patch Allows you to configure one controller so that it alternately sends two different values, e.g. effect bypass, drive on/off, etc. In order to enable the controller switch-over function, you need to globally select the same MIDI channel for CNT1 and CNT2 (see chapter 2.2), and enter the same controller number for CNT1 and CNT2 in the preset (NUMBER, see chapter 2.3.2). The first time you recall the preset, it will send the controller value of CNT1 (VALUE 1), with each additional key press you can alternate between CNT2 and CNT1. Example: Select preset 1 without DRIVE function on the BEHRINGER V-AMP each time you press the same button again, DRIVE will be switched on or off respectively: PROG CHG 1 = 1, CNT 1 NUMBER = 26, VALUE 1 = 0, CNT 2 NUMBER = 26, VALUE 1 = 127. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 18:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19492; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:16:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac issues? Virtual Mac on PC From: "scott@tapehissrecordings.com" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually if you look at the screen shots at the url Richard sent you will see that it can. Scott on 2/12/02 3:58 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri at ssrndpty@hotmail.com wrote: > Sure, but does it run under virtualPC? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Zvonar" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: Mac issues? Virtual Mac on PC > > >> At 12:04 PM -0800 2/12/02, Jeff Blanding wrote: >>> ...they must have some reverse version of VirtualPC... >> >> http://www.pona.net/basilisk/ >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com >> http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >> http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 18:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20552; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:37:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:37:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:22:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Copying presets with FCB 1010 (was Re: Behringer/Repeater (EDP) foot controller) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com many thanks for this! best, rich > > >> Sure! You can also use one of the two cc pedals to work the repeater >> feedback (as an expression pedal). IMHO the FCB1010 turnes out to be a >quite >> open system. But it's hard to understand the manual and programming takes >a >> lot of time. There is no way to copy a bank, so for each new bank you have >> to redo everything from scratch. >> > >(Snipped from: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010 ) >Behringer FCB1010 Extra HOWTO >These are in an addendum to the manual published on Behringer's site in >January 2002: thanks to Jos van Hoorn for drawing it to my attention. The >text is taken from the (with minor editing). >Copying Presets >Activate CONFIG in the GLOBAL SETUP (see chapter 2.2 of the manual). Now, >press footswitch 5 to activate the copy function. (The VALUE 1 LED lights up >and the number in the display starts flashing.) Enter the number of the >preset you wish to copy and confirm your selection with UP/ENTER. Presets >1 - 10 are stored in bank 0, presets 11 - 20 in bank 1, and so on. (The >VALUE 2 LED lights up and the number in the display starts flashing.) Enter >the target preset and confirm your selection with UP/ENTER, or cancel with >DOWN/ESCAPE. If you want to copy further presets, please press footswitch 5 >again. Press and hold DOWN/ESCAPE to quit the GLOBAL SETUP. >Toggling between two controller values in a patch >Allows you to configure one controller so that it alternately sends two >different values, e.g. effect bypass, drive on/off, etc. In order to enable >the controller switch-over function, you need to globally select the same >MIDI channel for CNT1 and CNT2 (see chapter 2.2), and enter the same >controller number for CNT1 and CNT2 in the preset (NUMBER, see chapter >2.3.2). The first time you recall the preset, it will send the controller >value of CNT1 (VALUE 1), with each additional key press you can alternate >between CNT2 and CNT1. Example: Select preset 1 without DRIVE function on >the BEHRINGER V-AMP each time you press the same button again, DRIVE will be >switched on or off respectively: PROG CHG 1 = 1, CNT 1 NUMBER = 26, VALUE 1 >= 0, CNT 2 NUMBER = 26, VALUE 1 = 127. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 18:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20707; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:37:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:37:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:39:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If the unit could undo, a handsonic, XL-7, the earth ROM, and a few >cheaps-ass effects would be all you need to take over the planet :> > > You swine! You've revealed my plan! --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 18:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21759; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:53:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:53:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.83.131] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool (free) electronic music software for GameBoy Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:52:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 23:52:04.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[45928D30:01C1B420] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >cool (free "for noncommercial use") electronic music software for GameBoy > >download it at: >http://blackbox.resource.cx/prods02.html Sounds cool. I take it you need to have a Game Boy cartridge burner and a blank cartridge? It looks similar to Little Sound DJ (http://www.lsdj.com) - you can also download it if you have a cartridge burner or order a pre-burned cartridge from Johan (the developer). Another cool title is Nanoloop (http://www.nanoloop.com). I have this and LSDJ. So far I've found Nanoloop far easier to use. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 18:56:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21965; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:55:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:55:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.22a42c2d.299b053f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:54:39 EST Subject: Re: Mac issues? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/12/02 8:05:32 PM, jeff@modaldub.net writes: << i can think of a few Mac-only software items >> "MetaSynth" - check it out. -Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 19:13:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24463; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:11:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 00:11:45.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[05C42440:01C1B423] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL, I bet pretty much every band in town wants to play with you right now - Around here, all the live bands are trying to 'get electronic'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Re: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY) > > >If the unit could undo, a handsonic, XL-7, the earth ROM, and a few > >cheaps-ass effects would be all you need to take over the planet :> > > > > > > You swine! You've revealed my plan! > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 19:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24593; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c1b422$cf994260$b2d832d2@lisa> From: "Keith Lang" To: References: <7e.22a42c2d.299b053f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Mac issues? Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:09:57 +1100 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'Max' from Cycling 74 is mac only, i think?? and hence their new 'radial' will be too. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Mac issues? > > In a message dated 2/12/02 8:05:32 PM, jeff@modaldub.net writes: > > << i can think of a few Mac-only software items >> > > "MetaSynth" - check it out. -Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 19:32:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25712; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:32:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c1b425$cf690340$272b0e18@CI396501A> From: "postaldave" To: Subject: zendrum Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:31:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey list! it's me postaldave from back in the days. i've drifted away from music and have gotten into motorcycles now. that being said i have some high end stuff laying around needing to go to a better home. i'm going to offer a zendrum http://www.zendrum.com/images/figured_zen_sm.gif up on ebay soon for sale. it lists for $1600 plus the $200 needed for Accessories. i thought i would give this list a shot first being it was so helpful back in the days. best offer over $900 can have it and all the accessories for it. 1972 BMW/5 lwb "Lori" 1983 honda cb550sc "step child" slash5 restoration and repairs. http://www.postaldave.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 20:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31155; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:56:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:56:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Mac issues? Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:46:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7e.22a42c2d.299b053f@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Metasynth sounds fed into Live is off the hook! Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: PMimlitsch@aol.com [mailto:PMimlitsch@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mac issues? > > > > In a message dated 2/12/02 8:05:32 PM, jeff@modaldub.net writes: > > << i can think of a few Mac-only software items >> > > "MetaSynth" - check it out. -Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 12 20:59:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31399; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:58:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:58:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:58:32 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: Re: cool (free) electronic music software for GameBoy In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <2EB5E77C-2025-11D6-8F7A-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, that can be a stickler - i have seen somewhere online the info for buying blank carts and a burner but i cant seem to find it atm... i have been using Nanoloop for a little while and i like it a lot. it has great sounds and is easy to use - i usually improvise with it live, with a friend doing some delays and other effects on it. there is an interesting interview with Spoonbender here (http://www.noisetraffic.com/interviews.htm) talking about how he likes to use some delay and two Nanoloops and/or LSDJs MIDI synced to his Akai MPC2000 for live shows. the only prob with those MIDI sync cables at noisetraffic is they are pricey ($77). Oliver over at www.nanoloop.com, who made nanoloop, is supposed to be coming out with a (presumably cheaper) MIDI connector of his own soon. there will be a manufactured version and a parts version for a lot cheaper, apparently. -j On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 03:52 PM, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> cool (free "for noncommercial use") electronic music software for >> GameBoy >> >> download it at: >> http://blackbox.resource.cx/prods02.html > > Sounds cool. I take it you need to have a Game Boy cartridge burner > and a blank cartridge? > > It looks similar to Little Sound DJ (http://www.lsdj.com) - you can > also download it if you have a cartridge burner or order a pre-burned > cartridge from Johan (the developer). > > Another cool title is Nanoloop (http://www.nanoloop.com). I have this > and LSDJ. So far I've found Nanoloop far easier to use. > > Paolo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 02:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22880; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:02:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:02:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020213070114.77174.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:01:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: RE:new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020212200556.80384.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-978782264-1013583674=:77097" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-978782264-1013583674=:77097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ahhhhh...fixed my loop stopping problem tonight with a long press of the parameter button upon re-powering. Finally doing those multi-loop songs...whew! Still curious if there is anyway to use the Roland GR-33 guitar synth to control the echoplex? Thanks for the help! Bradley Fish Bradley Fish wrote: OK, I did it-well, almost! I can copy my original loop into each loop and then make each one unique from there. Cool! But now I have a new problem: Sometimes the loop I'm listening to will just stop when it reaches the end for (seemingly?) no reason until I press overdub. Any idea why it's stopping? also, I'm using a GR-33 Roland guitar synth with this to generate my sounds. Does anyone know if there is anyway I can use the MIDI on that to switch loops and such? Thanks! Bradley Fish Michael Clark wrote: Can you suggest a foot controller that will do the same thing? Thanks, M... At 10:51 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >Fish-- >Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it. >So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button >presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion >will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go >back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop. >By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a >keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI >controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop >trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button). > >You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became >san! ctified by the loop. >Also download the archives :>} > >Gary > >PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to >operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the >EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is >that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once. >G > > --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --0-978782264-1013583674=:77097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

ahhhhh...fixed my loop stopping problem tonight with a long press of the parameter button upon re-powering.  Finally doing those multi-loop songs...whew! 

Still curious if there is anyway to use the Roland GR-33 guitar synth to control the echoplex?

Thanks for the help!

Bradley Fish

 

 

 Bradley Fish <bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com> wrote:

OK,

I did it-well, almost! I can copy my original loop into each loop and then make each one unique from there. Cool! But now I have a new problem:

Sometimes the loop I'm listening to will just stop when it reaches the end for (seemingly?) no reason until I press overdub. Any idea why it's stopping?

also, I'm using a GR-33 Roland guitar synth with this to generate my sounds. Does anyone know if there is anyway I can use the MIDI on that to switch loops and such?

Thanks!

Bradley Fish    

  Michael Clark <mcl451@airmail.net> wrote:

Can you suggest a foot controller that will do the same thing?

Thanks,

M...



At 10:51 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Fish--
>Copying a loop is easy--right? Create a loop, copy it.
>So once you have copied the loop, modify it with the other button
>presses--overdub, multiply, but probably not insert because your percussion
>will not be there--and if you want another copy of the percussion loop, go
>back to loop 1 and this time copy it to a different loop.
>By the way, changing to a specific loop is easy with MIDI. If you have a
>keyboard, the Echoplex will go to any of 9 loops based on the MIDI
>controller (note or Continuous controller) you have assigned under loop
>trigger (parameter bank 4, mute button).
>
>You might want to pretend the manual is the Holy Bible and you just became
>san! ctified by the loop.
>Also download the archives :>}
>
>Gary
>
>PS I have not tried this but maybe instead of performing and trying to
>operate the EDP at the same time, sue prepared audio and feed it into the
>EDP so you can concentrate just on that--my experience with such things is
>that it's hard to concentrate on two things at once.
>G
>
>


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Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! --0-978782264-1013583674=:77097-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 02:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24582; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.142] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: Copying presets with FCB 1010 (was Re: Behringer/Repeater (EDP) foot controller) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:28:17 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 07:20:28.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9883D70:01C1B45E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried this a while back but had no luck. Has anyone else tried this with success? I'd be keen to know if this actually works. Thx, Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ > (Snipped from: http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010 ) > Behringer FCB1010 Extra HOWTO > These are in an addendum to the manual published on Behringer's site in > January 2002: thanks to Jos van Hoorn for drawing it to my attention. The > text is taken from the (with minor editing). > Copying Presets > Activate CONFIG in the GLOBAL SETUP (see chapter 2.2 of the manual). Now, > press footswitch 5 to activate the copy function. (The VALUE 1 LED lights up > and the number in the display starts flashing.) Enter the number of the > preset you wish to copy and confirm your selection with UP/ENTER. Presets > 1 - 10 are stored in bank 0, presets 11 - 20 in bank 1, and so on. (The > VALUE 2 LED lights up and the number in the display starts flashing.) Enter > the target preset and confirm your selection with UP/ENTER, or cancel with > DOWN/ESCAPE. If you want to copy further presets, please press footswitch 5 > again. Press and hold DOWN/ESCAPE to quit the GLOBAL SETUP. > Toggling between two controller values in a patch > Allows you to configure one controller so that it alternately sends two > different values, e.g. effect bypass, drive on/off, etc. In order to enable > the controller switch-over function, you need to globally select the same > MIDI channel for CNT1 and CNT2 (see chapter 2.2), and enter the same > controller number for CNT1 and CNT2 in the preset (NUMBER, see chapter > 2.3.2). The first time you recall the preset, it will send the controller > value of CNT1 (VALUE 1), with each additional key press you can alternate > between CNT2 and CNT1. Example: Select preset 1 without DRIVE function on > the BEHRINGER V-AMP each time you press the same button again, DRIVE will be > switched on or off respectively: PROG CHG 1 = 1, CNT 1 NUMBER = 26, VALUE 1 > = 0, CNT 2 NUMBER = 26, VALUE 1 = 127. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 04:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02257; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:39:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6A33CD.60AB4C26@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:37:17 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reports from the lab, Part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I've uploaded the second half of some "John Fahey meets Ravi Shankar by way of Squarepusher" EDP solos recorded back in December of 2001. These bits are a bit more texturally and technically varied than the first batch posted on December 26 (and generally less likely to draw irate comments from the next cubicle): Deconstructing the ambient paradigm one brick at a time: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/shrine.mp3 Mellifluous quantized remultiplication: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/diorama.mp3 Zero feedback, zero verbatim repetition, and the most mentally demanding looping piece I've played: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/entwined.mp3 Derek Bailey plays Fela Kuti: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/bela.mp3 A real tear-jerker (and an awful pun): http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/backwardsglance.mp3 Philip Glass' Mousetrap: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/nervous.mp3 ZZ Top on Mille Plateau: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/zztop.mp3 Hope you enjoy. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 04:55:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03216; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:54:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:54:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Aldo De Palma" To: "loopers" Subject: about EDP and Jamman Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:48:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if they are compatible? I'd like to know if I can synchronize my echoplex with a jam man one day. unfortunately, I don't have a chance to try the Jamman for now. Aldo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 10:22:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31797; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:20:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:20:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c1b4a2$4692c510$07001aac@ENVISION4> From: "Cesar D. Quintero" To: References: <200202130159.UAA32730@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Loops for SF Acid Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 15:10:45.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C4FB140:01C1B4A0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all: Does anybody has the drum collection of loops for SF Acid?. Are they worthy?. Which one you think are the best ones? Thanks Cesar (Spain) P.S. Any listmembers in Madrid? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:59 AM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #89 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 11:02:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03784; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.186.176.34] From: "Jeremy Sawruk" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:00:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 16:00:39.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[951C6A10:01C1B4A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Cesar D. Quintero" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Loops for SF Acid >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100 > > Hello all: Does anybody has the drum collection of loops for SF Acid?. >Are they worthy?. Which one you think are the best ones? > > Thanks There are several drum loop libraries for Acid. I own most of them. Classic Drum Machines: Syntonic Generator - good synth drum loops, just too few Downtempo Beats - I dont own, so I don't know Drum Components: RADS - great samples for building custom drum tracks. Although can be used for a variety of styles, I think they are best suited for rock. Worth considering Drum Tools - don't own, so don't know Junkyard Rhythms - don't own (but on it's way). Looks very promising, esp. for getting a unique sound. Latin Percussion - pretty good and mostly standard stuff Processed Drumkits: Zero-Gravity Beats - My favorite drum library. It surely is not your average cup of tea, but is very good, esp for rock and dance R&B Drums: Groove Spectrum - don't own, don't know Siggi Baldursson's Drumsugar - don't own, but Siggi's other library, Zero Gravity, is so awesome that I would think this one would be as well! Street Beats - its ok, but way too little. Not worth it. Funky Xtreams I & II - pretty good, but should be 1 CD, not 2! World Percussion - Marc Anderson's Dragon Dance - good world music loops here. Don't forget, most other libraries come with drums (except instrument specific). I particularly like the Acid Rock, Acid DJ, Electro Hip-Hop, Futurist Drum 'n' Bass, New York Dance, Prototechno, Vir Unis: Infusion, and World Pop percussion. Hope this helps! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 11:11:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04759; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:10:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:10:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan Deanda" To: Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <006401c1b4a8$13fb3460$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try going to www.google.com and doing a search for "free drum samples" or "free drum loops" and you will get a plethora of results for free downloads of a variety of styles (tr808, tr909, rock, jazz, etc.). They are all mainly in .zip files and less than a meg to download the whole kit. Good luck, Dylan -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Sawruk [mailto:lobachevski@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid >From: "Cesar D. Quintero" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Loops for SF Acid >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100 > > Hello all: Does anybody has the drum collection of loops for SF Acid?. >Are they worthy?. Which one you think are the best ones? > > Thanks There are several drum loop libraries for Acid. I own most of them. Classic Drum Machines: Syntonic Generator - good synth drum loops, just too few Downtempo Beats - I dont own, so I don't know Drum Components: RADS - great samples for building custom drum tracks. Although can be used for a variety of styles, I think they are best suited for rock. Worth considering Drum Tools - don't own, so don't know Junkyard Rhythms - don't own (but on it's way). Looks very promising, esp. for getting a unique sound. Latin Percussion - pretty good and mostly standard stuff Processed Drumkits: Zero-Gravity Beats - My favorite drum library. It surely is not your average cup of tea, but is very good, esp for rock and dance R&B Drums: Groove Spectrum - don't own, don't know Siggi Baldursson's Drumsugar - don't own, but Siggi's other library, Zero Gravity, is so awesome that I would think this one would be as well! Street Beats - its ok, but way too little. Not worth it. Funky Xtreams I & II - pretty good, but should be 1 CD, not 2! World Percussion - Marc Anderson's Dragon Dance - good world music loops here. Don't forget, most other libraries come with drums (except instrument specific). I particularly like the Acid Rock, Acid DJ, Electro Hip-Hop, Futurist Drum 'n' Bass, New York Dance, Prototechno, Vir Unis: Infusion, and World Pop percussion. Hope this helps! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 11:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05902; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:25:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:25:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:25:07 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Reports from the lab, Part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005e01c1b4ab$0050ff00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C6A33CD.60AB4C26@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent stuff! totally nipple... > Hello list, > > I've uploaded the second half of some "John Fahey meets Ravi Shankar by ... > Hope you enjoy. > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 12:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11657; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Reports from the lab, Part 2 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:10:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C6A33CD.60AB4C26@altruistmusic.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8XlJAD.A.e1C.TBqa8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beautiful work Andre. Are you using 1 EDP? Notice there's hard panning. Do you have zero direct signal on the EDP (left) and your straight gtr via mixer (right)? Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:37 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Reports from the lab, Part 2 > > > Hello list, > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 12:31:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12403; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:30:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:30:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:30:31 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: Reports from the lab, Part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3C6A33CD.60AB4C26@altruistmusic.com> Message-ID: <20020213093032-r01010800-83d2957c-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.8 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's some good shit! On 2/13/02 at 1:37 AM, altruist@altruistmusic.com (Andre LaFosse) wrote: > Hello list, > > I've uploaded the second half of some "John Fahey meets Ravi Shankar by > way of Squarepusher" EDP solos recorded back in December of 2001. These > bits are a bit more texturally and technically varied than the first > batch posted on December 26 (and generally less likely to draw irate > comments from the next cubicle): > > Deconstructing the ambient paradigm one brick at a time: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/shrine.mp3 > > Mellifluous quantized remultiplication: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/diorama.mp3 > > Zero feedback, zero verbatim repetition, and the most mentally demanding > looping piece I've played: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/entwined.mp3 > > Derek Bailey plays Fela Kuti: > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/bela.mp3 > > A real tear-jerker (and an awful pun): > http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/backwardsglance.mp3 > > Philip Glass' Mousetrap: > http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/nervous.mp3 > > ZZ Top on Mille Plateau: > http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/zztop.mp3 > > Hope you enjoy. > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > _______________________________________________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 12:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13189; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:40:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <006401c1b4a8$13fb3460$6142a8c0@dyland> Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:39:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 17:39:36.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[677537A0:01C1B4B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.analogsamples.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Deanda" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid > Try going to www.google.com and doing a search for "free drum samples" or > "free drum loops" and you will get a plethora of results for free downloads > of a variety of styles (tr808, tr909, rock, jazz, etc.). They are all > mainly in .zip files and less than a meg to download the whole kit. > > Good luck, > > Dylan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Sawruk [mailto:lobachevski@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid > > > >From: "Cesar D. Quintero" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Loops for SF Acid > >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100 > > > > Hello all: Does anybody has the drum collection of loops for SF Acid?. > >Are they worthy?. Which one you think are the best ones? > > > > Thanks > There are several drum loop libraries for Acid. I own most of them. > > Classic Drum Machines: Syntonic Generator - good synth drum loops, just too > few > > Downtempo Beats - I dont own, so I don't know > > Drum Components: RADS - great samples for building custom drum tracks. > Although can be used for a variety of styles, I think they are best suited > for rock. Worth considering > > Drum Tools - don't own, so don't know > > Junkyard Rhythms - don't own (but on it's way). Looks very promising, esp. > for getting a unique sound. > > Latin Percussion - pretty good and mostly standard stuff > > Processed Drumkits: Zero-Gravity Beats - My favorite drum library. It surely > is not your average cup of tea, but is very good, esp for rock and dance > > R&B Drums: Groove Spectrum - don't own, don't know > > Siggi Baldursson's Drumsugar - don't own, but Siggi's other library, Zero > Gravity, is so awesome that I would think this one would be as well! > > Street Beats - its ok, but way too little. Not worth it. > > Funky Xtreams I & II - pretty good, but should be 1 CD, not 2! > > World Percussion - Marc Anderson's Dragon Dance - good world music loops > here. > > Don't forget, most other libraries come with drums (except instrument > specific). I particularly like the Acid Rock, Acid DJ, Electro Hip-Hop, > Futurist Drum 'n' Bass, New York Dance, Prototechno, Vir Unis: Infusion, and > World Pop percussion. > > Hope this helps! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 12:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13505; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan Deanda" To: Subject: RE: Reports from the lab, Part 2 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:36:44 -0500 Message-ID: <006a01c1b4b5$01a538d0$6142a8c0@dyland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-reply-to: <3C6A33CD.60AB4C26@altruistmusic.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, Thanks for posting these to the list, it's truly a pleasure to hear what others are doing with looping, as opposed to woodshedding and never hearing the fruit of other's labor. You've given me a ton of inspiring ideas that I plan on adapting to my turntable/echoplex setup. Thank you for putting out excellent music. I will have to go back and search through your posts and see what other nuggets you've thrown out there. D ps. It must have been an experience to work with Photek and Goldie. -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:37 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reports from the lab, Part 2 Hello list, I've uploaded the second half of some "John Fahey meets Ravi Shankar by way of Squarepusher" EDP solos recorded back in December of 2001. These bits are a bit more texturally and technically varied than the first batch posted on December 26 (and generally less likely to draw irate comments from the next cubicle): Deconstructing the ambient paradigm one brick at a time: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/shrine.mp3 Mellifluous quantized remultiplication: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/diorama.mp3 Zero feedback, zero verbatim repetition, and the most mentally demanding looping piece I've played: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/entwined.mp3 Derek Bailey plays Fela Kuti: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/bela.mp3 A real tear-jerker (and an awful pun): http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/backwardsglance.mp3 Philip Glass' Mousetrap: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/nervous.mp3 ZZ Top on Mille Plateau: http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/zztop.mp3 Hope you enjoy. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 12:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13901; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.68c5789.299c0006@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:44:38 EST Subject: OT: Laughing Stock+14 NEW AKASH Tunes To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.68c5789.299c0006_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 257 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3f.68c5789.299c0006_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm... I do view LS as being just as realized as Spirit of Eden was which I also happen to Love, though my own personal preference is always slanted toward LS. & it is also amazing T-T ever got to release the material they did from Colour to Spirt leading into LS as that all stuff was really against the grain of everything anybody was doing on a major label especially at the time of those releases. & I see LS as no lesser in quality than spirit but perhaps more as a culmination that is both eerie in its stark sense of intimacy and yet still having a certain thin, but kinda cold detachment which they seemed to have underpinned & maintained adeptly into something which is somehow more than just contrasting something as a counterpoint. & by the time ya get to LS it is like a person questioning the visions they have received as well as acting upon their intentions & where they have taken them and all the while digging deeper and finding a certain solace ( perhaps it is solace ) in the both the revelation itself and or attaining a certain knowing thru questioning self or all of the above leading to an awareness which is deeper than feeling. & I know that sounds overly new age & somewhat hokey coming from such a "mundane perveyor of perv" like meself, but that is largely the significance i have found and or perhaps selfishly attached to LS :) but T-T's subtle detachment which is lurking underneath their hood is something which is there IMHO from even their earliest synth pop days and becomes a layer of complexity that is developed and revealed while being placed even more outfront on LS. & to me that makes their intimacy deeper & appearingly more informed alongwith their mysticism being more profoundly experienced from a listeners perspective as that they have set up a scenario of stories which are bound to reveal more than just textures and tones & also mirror all that you/we would bring to their music. (But can ya tell i really dig this album GRIN :) But it is also the sense of resignation ( peaceful or exhausted? I dont know ) which appears in their final story, LS that is - was T-T , & that is absolutely haunting to me and again that feeling is strong & present thruout Colour & Spirt but LS exemplifies and amplifies it better-best in - IMHO. & I also do see DT's point and don't really disagree with him as much as where i would see my perspetive as simply being more of a flavor type thing more on the level of what floats your boat and also where the boat you float on takes you or how 2 people on the same boat can see & value different things. But on a sorta sideways tangent to all of these thoughts & to also give some insight into my own preferences wiring and their subsequent tastes, some people might say "Let it Be" may have been one of the lessor realized Beatles Albums, except for me, IMHO, Let It Be is my hands Down Fave of any Beatles Release. & I guess it is sorta like say "You say teh-may-toe", "I say Teh-mahhhh-toe", but the tree(s) of which we are speaking about here sure have yielded some mighty ripe fuit, n'est pas? Now on a completely different tangent, Can ya believe that AKASH will turn 4 years old on Valentines Day? Time Sure Flies when you are kinky & dig it baby... 14 BRAND NEW AKASH Tracks have been added to our MP3.COM Page: http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic Tracks are mostly instrumental ranging in pure bliss, Goth to Primal and Industrial Strength Noise and some pop-leaning and loopy symphonic-excursions. New Track are as follows: "BUCKLE-LIPS" "VAMPYRE CHANDRA'S THEME" "PUBLIC SEX: THE PSYCHOHEAD REMIX" "BUKKAKE" "MANUAL STIMULATION" "SOCRATES" "KNOCK IT DOWN" "IMPROV & SOUND CHECK: LIVE @CAFE KINK" "HAPPY AS A DOG" "MAKE A WISH" "KARMA FLOOD" "SUPER-PENETRATION" "THESE THINGS I NEVER TOLD YOU" "SNOWBALLING" "MURDER STEPS INTO HER FANCY GARDEN" * NOTE this Last Track should appear by Tommorow if it ain't up today. Warm Regards, JP/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html --part1_3f.68c5789.299c0006_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm...

I do view LS as being just as realized as Spirit of Eden was which I also happen to Love, though my own personal preference is always slanted toward LS.

& it is also amazing T-T ever got to release the material they did from Colour to Spirt leading into LS as that all stuff was really against the grain of everything anybody was doing on a major label especially at the time of those releases.

& I see LS as no lesser in quality than spirit but perhaps more as a culmination that is both eerie in its stark sense of intimacy and yet still having a certain thin, but kinda cold detachment which they seemed to have underpinned & maintained adeptly into something which is somehow more than just contrasting something as a counterpoint.

& by the time ya get to LS it is like a person questioning the visions they have received as well as acting upon their intentions & where they have taken them and all the while digging deeper and finding a certain solace ( perhaps it is solace ) in the both the revelation itself and or attaining a certain knowing thru questioning self or all of the above leading to an awareness which is deeper than feeling.

& I know that sounds overly new age & somewhat hokey coming from such a "mundane perveyor of perv" like meself, but that is largely the significance i have found and or perhaps selfishly attached to LS :)

but T-T's subtle detachment which is lurking underneath their hood is something which is there IMHO from even their earliest synth pop days and becomes a layer of complexity that is developed and revealed while being placed even more outfront on LS.

& to me that makes their intimacy  deeper & appearingly more informed alongwith their mysticism being more profoundly experienced from a listeners perspective as that they have set up a scenario of stories which are bound to reveal more than just textures and tones & also  mirror all that you/we would bring to their music.

(But can ya tell i really dig this album GRIN :)

But it is also the sense of resignation ( peaceful or exhausted? I dont know ) which appears in their final story, LS that is - was T-T , & that is absolutely haunting to me and again that feeling is strong & present thruout Colour & Spirt but LS exemplifies and amplifies it better-best in - IMHO.

& I also do see DT's point and don't really disagree with him as much as where i would see my perspetive as simply being more of a flavor type thing more on the level of what floats your boat and also where the boat you float on takes you or how 2 people on the same boat can see & value different things.

But on a sorta sideways tangent to all of these thoughts & to also give some insight into my own preferences wiring and their subsequent tastes, some people might say "Let it Be" may have been one of the lessor realized Beatles Albums, except for me, IMHO, Let It Be is my hands Down Fave of any Beatles Release.

& I guess it is sorta like say "You say teh-may-toe", "I say Teh-mahhhh-toe", but the tree(s) of which we are speaking about here sure have yielded some mighty ripe fuit, n'est pas?

Now on a completely different tangent, Can ya believe that AKASH will turn 4 years old on Valentines Day?

Time Sure Flies when you are kinky & dig it baby...

14 BRAND NEW AKASH Tracks have been added to our MP3.COM Page:
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic

Tracks are mostly instrumental ranging in pure bliss, Goth to Primal and Industrial Strength Noise and some pop-leaning and loopy symphonic-excursions.

New Track are as follows:
"BUCKLE-LIPS"
"VAMPYRE CHANDRA'S THEME"
"PUBLIC SEX: THE PSYCHOHEAD REMIX" 
"BUKKAKE"
"MANUAL STIMULATION"
"SOCRATES"
"KNOCK IT DOWN"
"IMPROV & SOUND CHECK: LIVE @CAFE KINK"
"HAPPY AS A DOG"
"MAKE A WISH"
"KARMA FLOOD"
"SUPER-PENETRATION"
"THESE THINGS I NEVER TOLD YOU"
"SNOWBALLING"
"MURDER STEPS INTO HER FANCY GARDEN"
* NOTE this Last Track should appear by Tommorow if it ain't up today.

Warm Regards,
JP/AKASH
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/210/akashradio.html --part1_3f.68c5789.299c0006_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 13:09:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17262; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:08:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I guess this is an ad :) The company I work for (Cakewalk) is now putting out ACID-format loop collections. We have not really advertised them, so they are not well known, but they are very high quality. http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/LP/Loops.html Here's my take on each collection: The Loops of Hazzard collection is pretty cool & unique. It's a collection of country string loops (lap steel, steel guitar, bass and electric guitar loops) performed by sidemen for Brooks and Dunn, Shania Twain and Dolly Parton. We have two collections from X-MiX, Vol 1 is hip hop and dance loops, Vol 2 is Progressive House and Trance. X-MiX produces a good percentage of major label remixes, and Vol 2 features loops by Armand Van Helden. All very useable if you're looking for these styles of music. In Your Face FX has a decent selection of sound effects that are well recorded. Rockit Fuel is a collection of Bass, Guitar and Drum loops in popular styles. The drum loops are great for straight ahead music. ProSamples is a sampling from the ProSamples series by East West, Zero-G and Best Service. You get a lot of different loops from all different styles. These companies put their best foot forward with this disc. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid http://www.analogsamples.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Deanda" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid > Try going to www.google.com and doing a search for "free drum samples" or > "free drum loops" and you will get a plethora of results for free downloads > of a variety of styles (tr808, tr909, rock, jazz, etc.). They are all > mainly in .zip files and less than a meg to download the whole kit. > > Good luck, > > Dylan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Sawruk [mailto:lobachevski@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid > > > >From: "Cesar D. Quintero" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Loops for SF Acid > >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100 > > > > Hello all: Does anybody has the drum collection of loops for SF Acid?. > >Are they worthy?. Which one you think are the best ones? > > > > Thanks > There are several drum loop libraries for Acid. I own most of them. > > Classic Drum Machines: Syntonic Generator - good synth drum loops, just too > few > > Downtempo Beats - I dont own, so I don't know > > Drum Components: RADS - great samples for building custom drum tracks. > Although can be used for a variety of styles, I think they are best suited > for rock. Worth considering > > Drum Tools - don't own, so don't know > > Junkyard Rhythms - don't own (but on it's way). Looks very promising, esp. > for getting a unique sound. > > Latin Percussion - pretty good and mostly standard stuff > > Processed Drumkits: Zero-Gravity Beats - My favorite drum library. It surely > is not your average cup of tea, but is very good, esp for rock and dance > > R&B Drums: Groove Spectrum - don't own, don't know > > Siggi Baldursson's Drumsugar - don't own, but Siggi's other library, Zero > Gravity, is so awesome that I would think this one would be as well! > > Street Beats - its ok, but way too little. Not worth it. > > Funky Xtreams I & II - pretty good, but should be 1 CD, not 2! > > World Percussion - Marc Anderson's Dragon Dance - good world music loops > here. > > Don't forget, most other libraries come with drums (except instrument > specific). I particularly like the Acid Rock, Acid DJ, Electro Hip-Hop, > Futurist Drum 'n' Bass, New York Dance, Prototechno, Vir Unis: Infusion, and > World Pop percussion. > > Hope this helps! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 13:26:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18486; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:24:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E65014037910BD@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:24:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Acid loops-and this may be classified as "pipe dream"-but who is to say that we, the loyal and close-knit constituents of the Loopers' Delight mailing list couldn't produce our own sample/loop disc? Among us are a staggering variety of sonic alchemists, encompassing the melodic, harmonic, rhythmic and none-of-the-above-ic. I've been dwelling on this idea for a while. Though I don't know if I am truly the one with the resources to pull it off, it seems to me that we could start simply by setting up an auditioning period in which only the recording quality of the submissions is evaluated. Then begin classifying the loops into categories as best we can. Then evaluate by panel for final inclusion. Then master and format for Acid. Lotsa work, but I'd love to participate in it, not only as a contributor, but as an engineer/producer/manager/whateverpieceofthepieIcangetaholdof capacity. Cool idea, but then again, I'm a Pisces. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid Hi, I guess this is an ad :) The company I work for (Cakewalk) is now putting out ACID-format loop collections. We have not really advertised them, so they are not well known, but they are very high quality. http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/LP/Loops.html Here's my take on each collection: The Loops of Hazzard collection is pretty cool & unique. It's a collection of country string loops (lap steel, steel guitar, bass and electric guitar loops) performed by sidemen for Brooks and Dunn, Shania Twain and Dolly Parton. We have two collections from X-MiX, Vol 1 is hip hop and dance loops, Vol 2 is Progressive House and Trance. X-MiX produces a good percentage of major label remixes, and Vol 2 features loops by Armand Van Helden. All very useable if you're looking for these styles of music. In Your Face FX has a decent selection of sound effects that are well recorded. Rockit Fuel is a collection of Bass, Guitar and Drum loops in popular styles. The drum loops are great for straight ahead music. ProSamples is a sampling from the ProSamples series by East West, Zero-G and Best Service. You get a lot of different loops from all different styles. These companies put their best foot forward with this disc. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid http://www.analogsamples.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Deanda" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid > Try going to www.google.com and doing a search for "free drum samples" or > "free drum loops" and you will get a plethora of results for free downloads > of a variety of styles (tr808, tr909, rock, jazz, etc.). They are all > mainly in .zip files and less than a meg to download the whole kit. > > Good luck, > > Dylan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Sawruk [mailto:lobachevski@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid > > > >From: "Cesar D. Quintero" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Loops for SF Acid > >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100 > > > > Hello all: Does anybody has the drum collection of loops for SF Acid?. > >Are they worthy?. Which one you think are the best ones? > > > > Thanks > There are several drum loop libraries for Acid. I own most of them. > > Classic Drum Machines: Syntonic Generator - good synth drum loops, just too > few > > Downtempo Beats - I dont own, so I don't know > > Drum Components: RADS - great samples for building custom drum tracks. > Although can be used for a variety of styles, I think they are best suited > for rock. Worth considering > > Drum Tools - don't own, so don't know > > Junkyard Rhythms - don't own (but on it's way). Looks very promising, esp. > for getting a unique sound. > > Latin Percussion - pretty good and mostly standard stuff > > Processed Drumkits: Zero-Gravity Beats - My favorite drum library. It surely > is not your average cup of tea, but is very good, esp for rock and dance > > R&B Drums: Groove Spectrum - don't own, don't know > > Siggi Baldursson's Drumsugar - don't own, but Siggi's other library, Zero > Gravity, is so awesome that I would think this one would be as well! > > Street Beats - its ok, but way too little. Not worth it. > > Funky Xtreams I & II - pretty good, but should be 1 CD, not 2! > > World Percussion - Marc Anderson's Dragon Dance - good world music loops > here. > > Don't forget, most other libraries come with drums (except instrument > specific). I particularly like the Acid Rock, Acid DJ, Electro Hip-Hop, > Futurist Drum 'n' Bass, New York Dance, Prototechno, Vir Unis: Infusion, and > World Pop percussion. > > Hope this helps! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 13:34:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19105; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:33:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:33:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:31:08 -0600 (CST) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid In-Reply-To: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E65014037910BD@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1iWjY.A.hpE.BFra8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This has already been done,check out the CT-collective group,formed mostly by LD members, with projects such as the SOURCE-PRODUCT compilation,wich it is exactly what you are asking for! :-) A+ On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Graham, Lindsay wrote: > Speaking of Acid loops-and this may be classified as "pipe dream"-but who is > to say that we, the loyal and close-knit constituents of the Loopers' > Delight mailing list couldn't produce our own sample/loop disc? Among us > are a staggering variety of sonic alchemists, encompassing the melodic, > harmonic, rhythmic and none-of-the-above-ic. > > I've been dwelling on this idea for a while. Though I don't know if I am > truly the one with the resources to pull it off, it seems to me that we > could start simply by setting up an auditioning period in which only the > recording quality of the submissions is evaluated. Then begin classifying > the loops into categories as best we can. Then evaluate by panel for final > inclusion. Then master and format for Acid. Lotsa work, but I'd love to > participate in it, not only as a contributor, but as an > engineer/producer/manager/whateverpieceofthepieIcangetaholdof capacity. > > Cool idea, but then again, I'm a Pisces. > > Lindsay Graham > sonic detritus: > left of eliot > http://leftofeliot.iuma.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com [mailto:CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid > > Hi, > > I guess this is an ad :) > > The company I work for (Cakewalk) is now putting out ACID-format loop > collections. We have not really advertised them, so they are not well > known, but they are very high quality. > > http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/LP/Loops.html > > Here's my take on each collection: > > The Loops of Hazzard collection is pretty cool & unique. It's a collection > of country string loops (lap steel, steel guitar, bass and electric guitar > loops) performed by sidemen for Brooks and Dunn, Shania Twain and Dolly > Parton. > > We have two collections from X-MiX, Vol 1 is hip hop and dance loops, Vol 2 > is Progressive House and Trance. X-MiX produces a good percentage of major > label remixes, and Vol 2 features loops by Armand Van Helden. All very > useable if you're looking for these styles of music. > > In Your Face FX has a decent selection of sound effects that are well > recorded. > > Rockit Fuel is a collection of Bass, Guitar and Drum loops in popular > styles. The drum loops are great for straight ahead music. > > ProSamples is a sampling from the ProSamples series by East West, Zero-G and > Best Service. You get a lot of different loops from all different styles. > These companies put their best foot forward with this disc. > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > Thanks, > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid > > > http://www.analogsamples.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dylan Deanda" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:04 AM > Subject: RE: Loops for SF Acid > > > > Try going to www.google.com and doing a search for "free drum samples" or > > "free drum loops" and you will get a plethora of results for free > downloads > > of a variety of styles (tr808, tr909, rock, jazz, etc.). They are all > > mainly in .zip files and less than a meg to download the whole kit. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Dylan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeremy Sawruk [mailto:lobachevski@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:01 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid > > > > > > >From: "Cesar D. Quintero" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Loops for SF Acid > > >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:21:11 +0100 > > > > > > Hello all: Does anybody has the drum collection of loops for SF > Acid?. > > >Are they worthy?. Which one you think are the best ones? > > > > > > Thanks > > There are several drum loop libraries for Acid. I own most of them. > > > > Classic Drum Machines: Syntonic Generator - good synth drum loops, just > too > > few > > > > Downtempo Beats - I dont own, so I don't know > > > > Drum Components: RADS - great samples for building custom drum tracks. > > Although can be used for a variety of styles, I think they are best suited > > for rock. Worth considering > > > > Drum Tools - don't own, so don't know > > > > Junkyard Rhythms - don't own (but on it's way). Looks very promising, esp. > > for getting a unique sound. > > > > Latin Percussion - pretty good and mostly standard stuff > > > > Processed Drumkits: Zero-Gravity Beats - My favorite drum library. It > surely > > is not your average cup of tea, but is very good, esp for rock and dance > > > > R&B Drums: Groove Spectrum - don't own, don't know > > > > Siggi Baldursson's Drumsugar - don't own, but Siggi's other library, Zero > > Gravity, is so awesome that I would think this one would be as well! > > > > Street Beats - its ok, but way too little. Not worth it. > > > > Funky Xtreams I & II - pretty good, but should be 1 CD, not 2! > > > > World Percussion - Marc Anderson's Dragon Dance - good world music loops > > here. > > > > Don't forget, most other libraries come with drums (except instrument > > specific). I particularly like the Acid Rock, Acid DJ, Electro Hip-Hop, > > Futurist Drum 'n' Bass, New York Dance, Prototechno, Vir Unis: Infusion, > and > > World Pop percussion. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 15:13:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29553; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:11:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [129.120.219.1] From: "adam P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 Echo Pro Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:10:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 20:10:47.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[864029F0:01C1B4CA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone... Check out Line 6's Echo Pro... It seems pretty good... 60s delay/sample... reverse... and "models" of "vintage" delay/sample units... Stereo ins and outs... XLR ins adn outs... expression pedal... midi controllable... and 99 programs. Models are as follows: Maestro EP-1 Tube Echoplex Maestro EP-3 Echoplex Roland RE-101 Space Echo Sweep Echo (filter-swept delay) Boss DM-2 Analog Delay Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memoryman Lo Res Delay (variable from 24 to 6 bits!) Digital Delay Digital Delay with Modulation Magnetic Platter Echo Stereo Delays Ping Pong Reverse (xirdneH imiJ ekil tsuJ) Dynamic Delay (t.c. electronic 2290) Auto-Volume Echo …and 60 Second Loop Sampler now... im not sure how well it "models" these units... but I guess that is a personal preference... and will be discovered soon enough... URL: http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/EchoPro/EchoProShips.htm _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 15:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31336; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:23:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:23:00 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:10 PM -0600 2/13/02, adam P wrote: >Check out Line 6's Echo Pro... This has been discussed a bit on this list. Many of us were disappointed (even annoyed) when this unit came out with "Pro" in its name, yet it doesn't send MIDI clock. All three of the Line6 rack-mount effects units have this limitation. They slave to MIDI clock but do not transmit it. The perception at Line6 seems to be that everyone who uses MIDI clock is slaving to the output of a sequencer - not the case with many looping musicians. Another thing I found annoying about these units is that they feature clear plastic buttons with label text BEHIND the button. The button acts as a lens and causes the text to be unreadable from an angle. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 16:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05573; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:16:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:01:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and also don't be confused with the 60 second thang... afaik, it's a 60 second looper...that doesn't sync to midi clock, as well. the delay models will sync, but they max out at 2.5 seconds of delay or something...EXACTLY what you get in the DL4. It's a DL4 in a rack, sych delays, with XLR/Line Level ins and outs. only 500 bills...AND you need a foot controller! i played with it at Namm and was unimpressed. but that's just me. rich >At 2:10 PM -0600 2/13/02, adam P wrote: >>Check out Line 6's Echo Pro... > >This has been discussed a bit on this list. > >Many of us were disappointed (even annoyed) when this unit came out >with "Pro" in its name, yet it doesn't send MIDI clock. > >All three of the Line6 rack-mount effects units have this >limitation. They slave to MIDI clock but do not transmit it. The >perception at Line6 seems to be that everyone who uses MIDI clock is >slaving to the output of a sequencer - not the case with many >looping musicians. > >Another thing I found annoying about these units is that they >feature clear plastic buttons with label text BEHIND the button. The >button acts as a lens and causes the text to be unreadable from an >angle. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 16:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06489; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:25:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: WOT: synth repairs in the san francisco Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:24:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 21:25:00.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[E49067E0:01C1B4D4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just given a broken Korg 707 keyboard, that has (I beleive) been plugged into the wrong type of AC-DC converter. It doesn't boot up at all. Does anyone know how cheap this would be to repair, and a good place in the bay area? Thanks for the advice, Jonathan El-Bizri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 17:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12710; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:29:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:29:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6AE873.5F8BA694@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:28:03 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater: a little question for those who know References: <200202130159.UAA32730@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well. Let us imagine I try to order one abroad (which means here, USA)... What shall I face when it comes to power feeding (not my appetite for power, ermmmmm) but : does the repeater has a cable easily pluged/unpluged, and second, does it have an automatic adaptation to power feeding (you know, here it is France, with 200 volts @ 50 Hz, so...) Can anyone with an unit shed some light for me ? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 18:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17938; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:21:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:21:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [129.120.219.62] From: "adam P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:20:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 23:20:48.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[11C7ECF0:01C1B4E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks fellas... I noticed one at a pawnshop for $290 the other day and had never heard of it... I did see the button/lens problem though. I've been looking for an 'ok' delay sampler with a low to moderate $$$ price range... thinking Akai headrush but doesnt seem to have a long enough delay time for me... does anyone recomend perhaps a step up from that... that wont kill a poor college student? Here is my set up if that will help... Guitar/mic|->RP-5(stereo)->Mixer(monitor out)->?Delayloop?->Mixer |->TSR-24s(2 main outs)->Mixer/2aux of TSR->4amp's or 2pa's Everything is controlled through the mixer(its an oldie) (the whole setup depends on situation, this is just an average situation) >From: rich >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:01:45 -0800 > >and also don't be confused with the 60 second thang... > >afaik, it's a 60 second looper...that doesn't sync to midi clock, as well. > >the delay models will sync, but they max out at 2.5 seconds of delay >or something...EXACTLY what you get in the DL4. > >It's a DL4 in a rack, sych delays, with XLR/Line Level ins and outs. >only 500 bills...AND you need a foot controller! > >i played with it at Namm and was unimpressed. but that's just me. > >rich > > > > > >>At 2:10 PM -0600 2/13/02, adam P wrote: >>>Check out Line 6's Echo Pro... >> >>This has been discussed a bit on this list. >> >>Many of us were disappointed (even annoyed) when this unit came out >>with "Pro" in its name, yet it doesn't send MIDI clock. >> >>All three of the Line6 rack-mount effects units have this >>limitation. They slave to MIDI clock but do not transmit it. The >>perception at Line6 seems to be that everyone who uses MIDI clock is >>slaving to the output of a sequencer - not the case with many >>looping musicians. >> >>Another thing I found annoying about these units is that they >>feature clear plastic buttons with label text BEHIND the button. The >>button acts as a lens and causes the text to be unreadable from an >>angle. >>-- >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Richard Zvonar, PhD >>(818) 788-2202 >>http://www.zvonar.com >>http://RZCybernetics.com >>http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >>http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 18:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18368; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:11:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $290 is not a bad price for that unit. the DL4 will cost you close to that new... best of luck, rich >Thanks fellas... I noticed one at a pawnshop for $290 the other day >and had never heard of it... I did see the button/lens problem >though. I've been looking for an 'ok' delay sampler with a low to >moderate $$$ price range... thinking Akai headrush but doesnt seem >to have a long enough delay time for me... does anyone recomend >perhaps a step up from that... that wont kill a poor college student? > >Here is my set up if that will help... >Guitar/mic|->RP-5(stereo)->Mixer(monitor out)->?Delayloop?->Mixer > |->TSR-24s(2 main outs)->Mixer/2aux of TSR->4amp's or 2pa's >Everything is controlled through the mixer(its an oldie) >(the whole setup depends on situation, this is just an average situation) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 19:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22436; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:07:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:07:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f601c1b4eb$832db6d0$0100a8c0@zen> From: "Bohus Blahut" To: References: Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:06:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This has already been done,check out the CT-collective group,formed > mostly by LD members, with projects such as the SOURCE-PRODUCT > compilation,wich it is exactly what you are asking for! :-) I'm new here, so could you possibly share where I might look for this stuff? Thanks! - Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) modern filmmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 19:12:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22758; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:11:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:11:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6AFFF3.4C8E02C6@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:08:19 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reports from the lab, Part 2 References: <006a01c1b4b5$01a538d0$6142a8c0@dyland> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dylan Deanda wrote: > ps. It must have been an experience to work with Photek and Goldie. I'm sure it would have been, but I've never even met either of those folks. Are you perhaps thinking of the "sounds like" descriptions on my excerpts page? Strictly a descriptive tool, and certainly not meant to imply a real-world working relationship. (But hey, if Rupert needs a guitar player, I hope he keeps me in mind.) Thanks for giving the stuff a listen! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 19:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26397; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:53:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:53:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <115.c89583c.299c645a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:52:42 EST Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.c89583c.299c645a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_115.c89583c.299c645a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/13/02 7:07:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, bohus@xnet.com writes: > could you possibly share where I might look for this > stuff? www.loopxchange.com and there is sooo much more music from the CT-COLLECTIVE hidden away in many unfinished projects and sooo much more to come in future efforts....stay tuned.....and thank you MHL.....:)m --part1_115.c89583c.299c645a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/13/02 7:07:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, bohus@xnet.com writes:


could you possibly share where I might look for this
stuff?


www.loopxchange.com    and there is sooo much more music from the CT-COLLECTIVE hidden away in many unfinished projects and sooo much more to come in future efforts....stay tuned.....and thank you MHL.....:)m --part1_115.c89583c.299c645a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 19:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26484; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:54:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:54:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:53:55 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Reports from the lab, Part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012001c1b4f2$147ac500$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <006a01c1b4b5$01a538d0$6142a8c0@dyland> <3C6AFFF3.4C8E02C6@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol. that reminds of the time an old band of mine listed our studio as "paisley parking lot" on our album (ultra indi) and a radio interviewer asked us what it was like working with prince.... > Dylan Deanda wrote: > > > ps. It must have been an experience to work with Photek and Goldie. > > I'm sure it would have been, but I've never even met either of those > folks. Are you perhaps thinking of the "sounds like" descriptions on my > excerpts page? Strictly a descriptive tool, and certainly not meant to > imply a real-world working relationship. (But hey, if Rupert needs a > guitar player, I hope he keeps me in mind.) > > Thanks for giving the stuff a listen! > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 20:12:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28899; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:10:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:10:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6B0E85.BA31541A@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:10:29 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Paul Andreano , Daniel Seymour , Rick Walker , Max Valentino , Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , Steven Rice , Stan Card , Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro , Mark Hamburg , Richard Zvonar , Bill Walker , "io777@iname.com" , "Cliff@BienAppraisers" From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Loopers Delight , Andre LaFosse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I'll try to keep everybody up-to-date with what's going on with the loopfest whenever I have something new. First of all, I've abandoned the name "Central Coast Loopfest," and adopted the shorter and slightly more descriptive name "Loopstock" for the festival. I hope nobody was really attached to the old name - if so, you can continue using it. Secondly, in case you were wondering how we were realistically going to fit 15 or 16 1/2-hour performances into eight hours, well I have to admit that I was too. So I booked the venue from 2:00 until 12:00, and stipulated that we may go overtime a little bit. Third, does anybody mind if Andre joins the loopfest at this time? Send him an e-mail and let him know it's OK. (Sorry, dude - I couldn't resist.) Fourth, if anyone is definitely coming down from San Francisco, Matthias may need a ride - please let him know if you can help: matthias@grob.org Here's everybody who has confirmed to perform so far: Ted Killian Max Valentino Rick Walker Rich Atkinson & Cliff Novey Bill Walker Richard Zvonar Steven Rice armatronix Please let me know ASAP and then get me your bio when you are able: Tom Heasley Stan Card Jon Wagner Mark Sottilaro Mark Hamburg Checking airfare and logistics, let me know when you know yourself: Matthias Grob Perry the Canadian Looper Demonstrations: Line6 DL4 - Rick Walker Repeater - Bill Walker Echoplex Digital Pro - Matthias Grob / Andre LaFosse(?) Any other volunteers? This will be very informal. Somebody's an expert on a Jamperson (Max), or Boomerang, Headrush, RC-20, whatever, aren't they? Any realtime software loopers to show off? Your humble event coordinator, -Hans Lindauer -hans@ernieball.com -(805)534-1009 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 20:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31221; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:41:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:41:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:40:33 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a4.211fff03.299c6f91_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a4.211fff03.299c6f91_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/13/02 8:09:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes: > Checking airfare and logistics, let me know when you know yourself: > add me to this list.....i will request that weekend off tamari, hopefully fly out of pgh. friday morn to la.....what a steller looking cast.....if mr grob may be at this event i can see no reason why mr la fosse wouldn't.....im gettin excited!.....:)m --part1_a4.211fff03.299c6f91_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/13/02 8:09:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:


Checking airfare and logistics, let me know when you know yourself:


add me to this list.....i will request that weekend off tamari, hopefully fly out of pgh. friday morn to la.....what a steller looking cast.....if mr grob may be at this event i can see no reason why mr la fosse wouldn't.....im gettin excited!.....:)m --part1_a4.211fff03.299c6f91_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 13 23:23:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12773; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:22:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213200904.02cc4ec8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:18:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: about EDP and Jamman In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 01:48 AM 2/13/2002, Aldo De Palma wrote: >Does anyone know if they are compatible? I'd like to know if I can >synchronize my echoplex with a jam man one day. >unfortunately, I don't have a chance to try the Jamman for now. >Aldo They both use midi clock to sync. So you should be able to sync the loops of one the other using midi clock over a midi connection. I think there are people doing this and it works fine. The only problem with this scenario is you have to choose one ahead of time to be the master for the sync and all the others will slave to it. all the initial loops have to be made on that one master to create the time base for the sync for the others. On the Echoplex, there is a feature called BrotherSync that allows multiple echoplexes to sync to each other, but does not require one of them to always be the master. Any of them can set the sync for the rest to follow. (they are brothers instead of master and slave....) This is nice for a band situation, where different people in the band may want to set the lead for the others. Everybody has to have an echoplex though, the jamman doesn't have such a feature. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 00:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16807; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:06:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:06:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:05:46 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 (Hey Andre!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <4AtMbC.A.AGE.PX0a8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, In a message dated 2/13/02 5:09:58 PM, hans@ernieball.com writes: >Third, does anybody mind if Andre joins the loopfest at this time? Send >him an e-mail and let him know it's OK. (Sorry, dude - I couldn't resist.) Andre would be a great addition. Could it really have lived up to the new name "Loopstock" without the Jimi Hendrix of the Echoplex himself? :-) Gig time is tight . . . but it's been a long time since I last saw him play at Cal Arts. I'd love to see him come display his latest bag 'o trix. I'm assuming he is reading this thread and get the idea he's welcome. Good call, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 03:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31271; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:59:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:59:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6B6DA9.C10DD957@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:56:25 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reports from the lab, Part 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5_VkiC.A.gWH.242a8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Neil, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Are you using 1 EDP? As far as I know. :) > Notice there's hard panning. Do you have zero direct signal on the EDP > (left) and your straight gtr via mixer (right)? Exactly! Very interesting approach, for me; makes the looping seem more like a second entity that I engage duet-like, as opposed to an extension of the gee-tar itself. Thanks for listening. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 03:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01211; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:45:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:45:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6B7878.52A7460@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:42:31 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 References: <3C6B0E85.BA31541A@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So much for your answering machine remark about not trying to change my mind, Hans. ;) Rick Walker is no doubt rubbing his hands with glee right now... Such heinous duress and blackmail! Coersion most foul! :() I appreciate the votes of confidence from folks. As I mentioned to Hans and Rick, the main issue for me is to make sure that everyone who's been planning on playing for a long time is well-accommodated. ESPECIALLY since there are folks coming in from out of state/country for the thing. Now here's my thinking: If everyone on Hans' various lists confirms for the show, we're dealing with 7 1/2 hours of show time, assuming everyone does a 30 minute set. Even if a couple of the acts run less than that, it's also likely that at least one or two will go a bit over that as well, and people shouldn't have to feel like they need to time their set right down to the second. I think it's reasonable to add an extra ten minutes between each act (and that's a very, very conservative estimate), to accomodate gear set-up/tear-down, preparation, and audience breaks. That's an extra 150 minutes, which puts the total performance time at 10 hours... which fills up the 2:00 - 12:00 time allotted for the entire event. And this still doesn't include soundchecks, or the nebulous workshop/demo stage at the beginning. Speaking of soundcheck... am I the only one a bit terrified at the prospect of soundchecking 15 seperate live electronic acts in one hour, as was intitially the case?! For the moment, let's set aside the issue of me playing at some point on the bill, and see if we can streamline the whole process some for the show as it currently (looks likely to) exist: 1) Could all of the performers post a specific list of all the gear they're planning on using? 2) What sort of mixer is going to be driving the house system, Hans? How many inputs can be handled at any one time? 3) How many performers are self-contained (i.e. have their own amps/cabinets, and are able to do their thing independently of a PA) and how many people need to use the PA (i.e. are going DI into the board, without a discrete amp)? How many discrete feeds will each act need to send into a PA? 4) Here's an idea: what about the possibility of each act soundchecking right before they start playing? To me, that would make more sense than having every single act set up their rig, soundcheck it, and then make way for another act to do the same thing. Part of this depends, of course, on how much gear there will be (and I'm guessing A LOT of tech). Ideally, if as many acts could be set up for their gig as possible at any one time, it would probably make things a lot easier, and streamline change-overs and so forth. 5) Any possibility of sharing some gear/amps/whatever? If you can avoid having 10 DL4's and six JamMans on stage at any one time, that might make life easier... So. Let's see reactions to these questions, and let's see who specifically confirms for the lineup. Again, I appreciate the interest, but to me personally it's of paramount importance that the bill as it's already been established be able to run as smoothly as possible. ESPECIALLY since there are people already booked, who have been planning on gigging here for a long time, who rarely (if ever) get the chance to play in this part of the country... whereas I live three hours down the freeway, and have a lot of California gigs looming in the very likely future. Once everyone's been confirmed and we've addressed some of the myriad set-up/logistical issues, then MAYBE I can find a way of getting in there in an incongruous fashion... but I remain pretty skeptical as to the prospects. And honestly, from a performer's point of view, I'm not exactly chomping at the bit to squeeze into an already overcrowded bill, you know? There are a lot of people I'm looking forward to hearing at the show, without having to worry about fitting in myself (and stepping on a lot of toes in the process...) You're right, Hans, brevity is not my forte, is it? Oh well... Let's see what happens, eh? Careful of the brown ACID, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 05:01:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05821; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:00:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214015341.02c4cd38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:56:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 In-Reply-To: <3C6B7878.52A7460@altruistmusic.com> References: <3C6B0E85.BA31541A@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as long as the beer doesn't run out, I don't see a problem. :-) kim At 12:42 AM 2/14/2002, Andre LaFosse wrote: >If everyone on Hans' various lists confirms for the show, we're dealing >with 7 1/2 hours of show time, assuming everyone does a 30 minute set. >Even if a couple of the acts run less than that, it's also likely that >at least one or two will go a bit over that as well, and people >shouldn't have to feel like they need to time their set right down to >the second. > >I think it's reasonable to add an extra ten minutes between each act >(and that's a very, very conservative estimate), to accomodate gear >set-up/tear-down, preparation, and audience breaks. > >That's an extra 150 minutes, which puts the total performance time at 10 >hours... which fills up the 2:00 - 12:00 time allotted for the entire event. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 10:46:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23474; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:43:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:43:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <13f.95fea66.299d34f6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:42:46 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre and Hans, In a message dated 2/14/02 12:45:32 AM, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: >I appreciate the votes of confidence from folks. As I mentioned >to Hans and Rick, the main issue for me is to make sure that >everyone who's been planning on playing for a long time is >well-accommodated. ESPECIALLY since there are folks coming >in from out of state/country for the thing. Well, Andre, for my part I'd love to see you come and play anyway -- even if it means I get to play less (and I'm coming down from Oregon for gosh sakes). :-) >3) How many performers are self-contained (i.e. have their own >amps/cabinets, and are able to do their thing independently of >a PA) and how many people need to use the PA (i.e. are going DI >into the board, without a discrete amp)? How many discrete >feeds will each act need to send into a PA? I am pretty much self-contained (sound reinforcement wise) and so is my electronic percussionist (if it turns out that he gets to come). I play through a rack-mounted mixer and power amp into four 12" cabs. My percussionist (Dr. Bob Sterling) has his own mixer and powered 15" JBL Eons. The only "real" reason to hook us up to the house PA (that I can think of) would be for recording purposes and if the venue was really very LARGE and very noisey (or the acoustical environment was otherwise especially tricky). I can think of only a few others, and they're not as crucial in the long run. As for performance times etc. I used to both attend and perform at the "New Music Monday" nights that Nels Cline used to organize at the (now defunct?) Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica, CA. I have often been there from early evening 'til waaaaaaay past midnight watching the various denizens of L.A.'s "fringe" music scene grace that smokey stage. While most folks may not choose to subject themselves to this sort of schedule as an audience, it's not all that unusual as a performer/purveyer of a fringe niche product to find myself doing so. If you wanted to (and could get the venue to agree) I would see nothing unusual with extending the playing time to 1:00 AM. Just make sure to serve lots of coffee. :-) However, while I'm on the subject. Will this be a non-smoking venue? I can perform in a smoke-filled environment, but being a non-smoker I'd obviously rather be able to breathe while playing. No offense meant to any of the smokers on the list. :-) Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 11:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25736; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:11:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:11:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:13:03 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Loops for SF Acid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005101c1b572$7af832b0$0282c83f@kinesys1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <006401c1b4a8$13fb3460$6142a8c0@dyland> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.samplenet.co.uk/listsamples.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 12:29:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30437; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:27:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:27:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c201c1b57c$b7d75800$46095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" , "Space Music List" , "Ambient Mailing List" , "ElectronicMusic Onelist" , "beyond_em" , "AIMusic Onelist" , , "Loopers Delight" , , Subject: Sounscapes Concert Series Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:26:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9vjrlD.A.VbH.mN_a8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Announcing a new concert series: S O U N D S C A P E S The Official Web Page for SOUNDSCAPES is http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes/ For the inaugural event of the Soundscapes Concert Series, Orbital Decay will appear in concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem, the IceHouse is a wonderful venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be held on Saturday, February 16, 2002, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets at the door will be $10. A $2 discount will be given for students with ID card and for members of WMUH and WDIY who show their membership card. This is an all ages show. Advance tickets will be $8 (no discounts), available at the Compact Disc Center located at 1365 Easton Ave. near Linden St. in Bethlehem. Orbital Decay consists of electric guitarist Tim Richardson and synthesist Terry Furber of Quakertown, Pennsylvania. Originally founded in 1979, the year when Skylab's orbit decayed, causing a firey return to Earth, the band is influenced by the likes of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd. Terry and Tim create improvisational electronic space music with the energy of the fusion styles of the '70s. This means that Orbital Decay charts unexplored territory of sound and mood. Orbital Decay has three self-released CDR albums featuring their prolific studio jam sessions. These CDRs were featured on EMUSIC in December, 2001, as part of the Special Focus on Orbital Decay. On December 27th, Orbital Decay performed a live, in-studio concert during EMUSIC on WDIY. They also performed on WXPN's Star's End in Philadelphia last August. Listen to EMUSIC for more music from Orbital Decay. Directions to the IceHouse and information about the concert can be found at: http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html For more information about Bethlehem, please visit http://www.bethtour.org/ For more information about the Lehigh Valley (Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton and vicinity), please visit http://www.lehighvalleypa.org/index.html Please forward this message to anyone who you think will be interested. Best regards, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 12:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31060; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:38:58 -0800 Subject: Little line mixers From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13f.95fea66.299d34f6@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4y40nB.A.IlH.fU_a8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've realized that I might be able to build a reasonably portable rig in a six space rack if I could come up with a 1U or 2U line mixer as an alternative to my Mackie 1642. Here is the signal routine I need to achieve: * I've got as stereo signal coming from my amp simpulator. * I need to split this signal and send a copy of it to my DL8000R. On my Mackie, I'm using subs 1 & 2 to do this but I assume I could probably just get away with Y cables. * I need aux sends for my EDP and my AM8000R. * I've got essentially 8 inputs coming into the mixer (amp x 2, DL8000R x 2, EDP x 2, AM8000R x 2). With a bit less flexibility, I could get by with 6 inputs plus a stereo effects return. * I don't need microphone preamps. Any recommendations? I'd like to limit the expenditure on this since I play out relatively rarely and I'm mostly likely to use my Mackie at home. A submixer has some appeal, but I haven't quite overflowed the Mackie yet. One option I'm looking at which unfortunately isn't rack mounted are the really small Behringers. I'm hoping this list might have better recommendations. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 13:38:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03368; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:37:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:42:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny that it does not imitate the EDP ;-) >Hey everyone... Check out Line 6's Echo Pro... It seems pretty good... >60s delay/sample... reverse... and "models" of "vintage" >delay/sample units... Stereo ins and outs... XLR ins adn outs... >expression pedal... midi controllable... and 99 programs. >Models are as follows: > >Maestro EP-1 Tube Echoplex >Maestro EP-3 Echoplex >Roland RE-101 Space Echo >Sweep Echo (filter-swept delay) >Boss DM-2 Analog Delay >Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memoryman >Lo Res Delay (variable from 24 to 6 bits!) >Digital Delay >Digital Delay with Modulation >Magnetic Platter Echo >Stereo Delays >Ping Pong >Reverse (xirdneH imiJ ekil tsuJ) >Dynamic Delay (t.c. electronic 2290) >Auto-Volume Echo >…and 60 Second Loop Sampler >now... im not sure how well it "models" these units... but I guess >that is a personal preference... and will be discovered soon >enough... > >URL: >http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/EchoPro/EchoProShips.htm > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 13:38:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03343; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:36:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:42:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT: bamboo tenor saxophone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo! I dont play saxophone, but I am fascinated by bamboo and once recorded such an instrument. Where did you get it? A series product? Is it "professional" in its use (perfectly tuned...)? >Myself playing my brand new bamboo tenor saxophone. > >Seriously. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 13:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03345; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:36:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:36:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C6B7878.52A7460@altruistmusic.com> References: <3C6B0E85.BA31541A@ernieball.com> <3C6B7878.52A7460@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:42:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre said: >1) Could all of the performers post a specific list of all the gear >they're planning on using? - custom 19"box with my distortions+connections+mixing - custom pedal board with multicore to the above - Lexicon PCM90 (would be nice not to have to bring it, another reverb may do) - Lexicon PCM80 for effects, mainly pitch shift (I can play without) - Alesis AirFX for filter effects (I can play without, but its easy to bring along) - 1 or 2 Echoplexes (there may be some in the area ;-) >3) How many performers are self-contained (i.e. have their own >amps/cabinets, and are able to do their thing independently of a PA) and >how many people need to use the PA (i.e. are going DI into the board, >without a discrete amp)? How many discrete feeds will each act need to >send into a PA? Any reasonable pair of flat speakers with any one stereo input serves for me. I cannot bring such equipment. >4) Here's an idea: what about the possibility of each act soundchecking >right before they start playing? Usually, I dont need any sound check. My first note confirms the volume and the second note is the first of the preformance ;-) For traveling, it would be nice to bring only the minimum of my set (the first two custom items) and borrow the Echoplexes and Lexicons (or similar, or do without). Thus I will have to do the connections and settings in those units, but this is quick and can be tested by headphones off stage or so. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 13:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03341; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:36:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020213070114.77174.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020213070114.77174.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:42:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE:new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE:new echoplexer: wanna copy loop and then change it


 Bradley Fish <bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK,
I did it-well, almost! I can copy my original loop into each loop and then make each one unique from there. Cool! But now I have a new problem:
Sometimes the loop I'm listening to will just stop when it reaches the end for (seemingly?) no reason until I press overdub. Any idea why it's stopping?

then later:
ahhhhh...fixed my loop stopping problem tonight with a long press of the parameter button upon re-powering.  Finally doing those multi-loop songs...whew!
Still curious if there is anyway to use the Roland GR-33 guitar synth to control the echoplex?
Thanks for the help!
Bradley Fish
 

Sorry not to be available every day...
You most probably had the SamplerStyle set to ONE, which is the mode where each loop is played just one, as if it was a sample. Then at the end, we go automatically to MUTE, where you came out from with Overdub, whereas Mute, Undo (or Multiply, if you work with a MIDIclock) would be more natural ways to come out.

Then, with the Parameter Reset, the SamplerStyle was set to run again, which left you happy, but still without knowing what happened, thats why I am saying all this...
...and because the impression may be left that the EDP does "esotherical things"...
--


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 13:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04148; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:46:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:46:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:52:26 -0500 Subject: Digitech PDS 2000 and 8000 From: Gene Park To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone. I'm new here so all apologies if I do something wrong... I had a couple questions to ask everyone. I got the PDS 2000 last night brand new, but being the way I am, I had to open up the back and mess with the pots. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble getting it back to exactly what the factory settings were. What I mean is that before I messed with it, when I would sample something in G at the most counter-clockwise position, and then trigger it with the rate turned all the way clockwise, it would give me a way slowed down sound still in G. Now when I turn it all the way, it give me an E (when originally sampling a G), which is about as close I can get it...so some help here would be appreciated! My other question is...does anyone have a PDS 8000 for sale? -- Gene Park Loaded Dreams http://www.loadeddreams.com http://www.mp3.com/loadeddreams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 13:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04971; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:57:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:57:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6C085B.C07C0F16@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:56:28 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 References: <13f.95fea66.299d34f6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got some questions. Are we each getting 30 min of play time, or does that 30 take into account the time it takes to switch from one act to another? With that many artists, how are we going to be able to set up beforehand, and keep it set up until we play? Will there be space? I really need time to set up, and if the 30 min includes set up, I'm going to have to bow out, as it takes at least that to make my non self contained rig happen. Sure, that's a fun performance art piece, but it ain't about music. In my opinion, if something has to give, why not get rid of the loop demos? I'm totally interested in seeing how other people use their loopers, but if something has to give, there is where I'd trim. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 14:00:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06442; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: Little line mixers Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:58:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2002 18:58:33.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[995A3F20:01C1B589] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com midiman >used< to make an 18 channel, half rack space mixer. Unfortunately, I think they only make the 10 channel ones now. And no send/returns :< http://www.midiman.com/products/m-audio/multi10.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: Little line mixers > I've realized that I might be able to build a reasonably portable rig in a > six space rack if I could come up with a 1U or 2U line mixer as an > alternative to my Mackie 1642. Here is the signal routine I need to achieve: > > * I've got as stereo signal coming from my amp simpulator. > > * I need to split this signal and send a copy of it to my DL8000R. On my > Mackie, I'm using subs 1 & 2 to do this but I assume I could probably just > get away with Y cables. > > * I need aux sends for my EDP and my AM8000R. > > * I've got essentially 8 inputs coming into the mixer (amp x 2, DL8000R x 2, > EDP x 2, AM8000R x 2). With a bit less flexibility, I could get by with 6 > inputs plus a stereo effects return. > > * I don't need microphone preamps. > > Any recommendations? I'd like to limit the expenditure on this since I play > out relatively rarely and I'm mostly likely to use my Mackie at home. A > submixer has some appeal, but I haven't quite overflowed the Mackie yet. > > One option I'm looking at which unfortunately isn't rack mounted are the > really small Behringers. I'm hoping this list might have better > recommendations. > > Thanks. > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 14:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06687; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:01:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:01:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c1b589$e49fa7e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <3C6822B1.AD96F7DA@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Central Coast Loopfest Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:00:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't realise Mattias would be attending- that's great! I'm looking forward to meeting you and hearing your music live! Also- how many attendees are from the L.A. area? In light of this current gig turning into a marathon I would be interested in setting up an L.A. LoopFest if there was enough interest- I asked awhile ago and only got 1 response- so let me know guys- spring would be adventagious- summer would look appropriate- . Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 14:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07318; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:08:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:08:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c1b58b$0194dfe0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <13f.95fea66.299d34f6@aol.com> <3C6C085B.C07C0F16@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:08:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree- I'd prefer not to be too squished- and I have a feeling setup times will be longer than expected- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 > I've got some questions. Are we each getting 30 min of play time, or does > that 30 take into account the time it takes to switch from one act to > another? With that many artists, how are we going to be able to set up > beforehand, and keep it set up until we play? Will there be space? I really > need time to set up, and if the 30 min includes set up, I'm going to have to > bow out, as it takes at least that to make my non self contained rig happen. > Sure, that's a fun performance art piece, but it ain't about music. In my > opinion, if something has to give, why not get rid of the loop demos? I'm > totally interested in seeing how other people use their loopers, but if > something has to give, there is where I'd trim. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 14:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07383; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:09:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:09:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:08:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2002 19:08:55.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C7F8590:01C1B58B] Resent-Message-ID: <5Co7OD.A.BzB.mtAb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1) Could all of the performers post a specific list of all the gear >they're planning on using? I plan on bringing various percussion instruments, two microphones, an EDP, and a 1402 mixer. With this setup, I can do all my soundchecking offstage with headphones, and the rest of the souncheck as I start my first song. >3) How many performers are self-contained (i.e. have their own >amps/cabinets, and are able to do their thing independently of a PA) and I can bring a mackie powered speaker and be completely self contained without any trouble. It seems just as easy though to send a single 1/4" cord to the main sound system though. I monitor from headphones anyway. On the subject of performing time slots: I will happily cut my show short if need be. I would like to throw my ideas into the mix via performing (especially if I'm driving a few hours to do so), but this is not the focus of my attendance there. I really want to spend the time learning about how everyone else does their thing - and stealing their precious ideas... On the subject of a 10 hour show: I dig it. I think 10 minutes quiet time between sets will be welcome time to let our ears reset (kind of like sorbet between meal courses) I can listen all day and night with these little rests to relax and discuss the last show with (new) friends. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 14:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08049; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:17:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:17:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:16:34 -0600 Subject: Computerspam From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Sorry for the spam, but I know there are some die-hard Mac users here who may be interested. I am selling two mac systems on ebay. One blue/white G3 tower, and one G4 Cube system. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/feeneymike that URL links to both sales. thanks all, mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 14:41:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11862; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:40:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c1b58f$4a9c90d0$ee1d0a0a@alanb2000> From: "Alan Barnard" To: References: Subject: Re: Little line mixers Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:39:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Rane has a whole slew of nice little mixers you can check out here: http://www.rane.com/procat.html#mixers I have the SM-26B and love it. Hope this helps, Alan _____________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: Little line mixers > I've realized that I might be able to build a reasonably portable rig in a > six space rack if I could come up with a 1U or 2U line mixer as an > alternative to my Mackie 1642. Here is the signal routine I need to achieve: > > * I've got as stereo signal coming from my amp simpulator. > > * I need to split this signal and send a copy of it to my DL8000R. On my > Mackie, I'm using subs 1 & 2 to do this but I assume I could probably just > get away with Y cables. > > * I need aux sends for my EDP and my AM8000R. > > * I've got essentially 8 inputs coming into the mixer (amp x 2, DL8000R x 2, > EDP x 2, AM8000R x 2). With a bit less flexibility, I could get by with 6 > inputs plus a stereo effects return. > > * I don't need microphone preamps. > > Any recommendations? I'd like to limit the expenditure on this since I play > out relatively rarely and I'm mostly likely to use my Mackie at home. A > submixer has some appeal, but I haven't quite overflowed the Mackie yet. > > One option I'm looking at which unfortunately isn't rack mounted are the > really small Behringers. I'm hoping this list might have better > recommendations. > > Thanks. > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 14:55:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12814; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:49:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:49:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C6B7878.52A7460@altruistmusic.com> References: <3C6B0E85.BA31541A@ernieball.com> <3C6B7878.52A7460@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:34:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snip from Andre: >I appreciate the votes of confidence from folks. As I mentioned to Hans >and Rick, the main issue for me is to make sure that everyone who's been >planning on playing for a long time is well-accommodated. ESPECIALLY >since there are folks coming in from out of state/country for the thing. hey y'all, Andre's thoughts on this event seem right on the money. I DO think that underestimating setup times is very silly. OVERESTIMATE. what can go wrong, will go wrong, and more. Other than that...i'm pretty neutral about the whole thing. If Andre wants to play, cool, ok. If he wants to bow to allow for more breathing room, then don't knock a gift horse in the mouth... i can see a good deal of potential confusion happening with this event. Cliff and I are discussing an independent setup, where we could monitor soundcheck offline via headphones, then just turn our amps on and go... our gear should look like such: rich: pedalboard + midi controller > pod > mixer > jammie + repeater + FQueen and AMP/or out to PA cliff: pedalboard to edp/repeater/m1 in rack (and i think he's got a couple of hampsters chugging away on a wheel too, but i can't swear to it) out to AMP/or out to PA plus we've got a stereo backing track via portable CD player. we may run this through our mixer/amps if the PA situatioin gets too crowded and we need to setup independently concerns: just the length of 8-10 hours... is there places to sit, lie down, walk around, get some fresh air, go to the restroom, get something to eat, etc, etc? looking forward to seeing you all! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14716; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:00:44 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock Update References: <200202141729.MAA30571@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can only lead a horse to water.... Thanks for putting everything into perspective, Andre. After some thought, I propose the following changes to the Plan: Instead of running the system four-way, I'll run it three-way and use the 15"s for a second stage at the opposite end of the room. I'll just rent a pair of monitors for that stage, no big deal. Whoever's on deck can set up and sound check to their heart's content through headphones while the current act plays. That way, we can skip the initial sound check, and also eliminate the 10 minutes between acts, and it keeps us from having a mountain of gear on stage. BTW, there's no stage; I'm just using that word to refer to the area behind the speakers. I guess it's a moot point after the previous paragraph, but I'll have a Yamaha O1V and a Mackie 1202 there to plug into. About the demos, I'm beginning to think that it might be better to tack 15 minutes or so onto the set of whomever is doing the demo, and then they give the demo before or after they play instead of at the beginning of the day. Probably after the performance would be best, because then we can all ask "How'd you do that?" Any comments on this one? Re: Ted's question on smoking, they passed an ordinance a couple of years back, and smoking is pretty much illegal anywhere in SLO County except in your home or outdoors. So no reefers in the venue, please. It's looking like a full house - everybody is confirmed so far, except for Matthias, Perry the Canadian Looper, the Artist known as the Double-Chinned Smiley Emoticon, and Andre, who will undoubtedly keep us all waiting, fingers crossed, until the bitter end ;) -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15113; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:03:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6C1866.3E9E481A@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:04:54 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock Update References: <200202141729.MAA30571@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I forgot about Tom Heasley - anybody heard from him lately? > It's looking like a full house - everybody is confirmed so far, except for > Matthias, Perry the Canadian Looper, the Artist known as the Double-Chinned > Smiley Emoticon, and Andre, who will undoubtedly keep us all waiting, fingers > crossed, until the bitter end ;) > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15594; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Loopstock Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:07:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am so severely bummed that I can be nowhere near this event--have fun y'all. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16006; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <113.c940c68.299d742d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:12:29 EST Subject: Wow! Wow! Wow! (Am I looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all! I just got the March 2002 EM in the mail and guess who gets featured on page 38 in the "Profile" section but our very own Dave Trenkel and his band Minus (and their recent CD "Dark Lit"). Wow! Congratulations on the press coverage dude! Best, Ted Killian PS: Planning a remix version of the album? Cool idea. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18119; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRgGyJugzPmQGyv96MosN1YljX3egIUMRSm8LVN5sgj/4qly/qPImdF3ac= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:36:52 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT, Ensoniq EPS Message-ID: <27211-3C6C1FE4-740@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Gary Lehmann" 's message of Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:07:51 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <5GNJ4D.A.3ZE.m_Bb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently puchased an Ensoniq EPS from a freind for $200 w/flightcase, a great deal(I think). But it only came wih three disc's. Does anyone know where I can purchase some discs for this vintage synth without having to do it myself. Just looking for standered manufactued sounds at the moment. Thanks, sorry for the OT. Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18305; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:39:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> References: <200202141729.MAA30571@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:24:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loopstock Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So no reefers in the venue, please. oh that just takes it... forget it all...i'm NOT COMING NOW!!!!! or better yet, maybe me and cliff can do our best jeff spicoli imitation and just roll up to the loopstock and fall out of a smoke filled VW van.... "dudes! sorry we're late....there was this HUGE line at the food court..." rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18950; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:45:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:45:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <113.c940c68.299d742d@aol.com> References: <113.c940c68.299d742d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:52:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Wow! Wow! Wow! (Am I looping?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <83oAeB.A.NnE.-GCb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey all! > >I just got the March 2002 EM in the mail and guess who >gets featured on page 38 in the "Profile" section but >our very own Dave Trenkel and his band Minus (and >their recent CD "Dark Lit"). Wow! > >Congratulations on the press coverage dude! Yeah, I was gonna do a self-promo blurb to the list about this, but you beat me to it! Thanks! I haven't even seen the article yet, I was hoping it'd come today. I was totally floored when EM chose to profile it, I'd sent 'em a copy when the disc came out but had pretty much given up on it happening. I've read EM since almost the beginning, so it's a huge honor to be in its pages. > >Best, > >Ted Killian > >PS: Planning a remix version of the album? Cool idea. Yeah, and since it was one of the things mentioned in the article, I guess this means I'm really doing it :-). So maybe this is as good a time as any to throw this out to the list: Anyone wanna do a remix? I've already guilt-tripped LD member Neil Goldstein into doing a tune, as well as a number of other friends, but there's still room for more. There are MP3's online at http://www.newandimprov.com/minus2.html, or drop me a line and I'll send out a disc. The music is kind of psychedelic power trio stuff with lots of dub, metal and jazz influences, and my only restraint with the remixes is that I want them to be as wild, creative, surprising, and fun as possible. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19492; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:50:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:50:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c1b599$32777d80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200202141729.MAA30571@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock Update Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:50:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Part of my act involves shooting dope into my eyball while re-enacting the courting dance of the arctic Puffin- does that fall under "reefers" category? Just checking. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock Update > >So no reefers in the venue, please. > > oh that just takes it... > forget it all...i'm NOT COMING NOW!!!!! > > or better yet, maybe me and cliff can do our best jeff spicoli > imitation and just roll up to the loopstock and fall out of a smoke > filled VW van.... > > "dudes! sorry we're late....there was this HUGE line at the food court..." > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20105; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c1b59a$1862be40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <27211-3C6C1FE4-740@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: OT, Ensoniq EPS Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:56:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6qPN0C.A.y5E.0RCb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bet if you searched the web you could find sounds for it there- lots of synth sites around- http://www.synthzone.com/ensoniq.htm http://www.emu.com/products/archives/ensoniq_downloads.html Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:36 PM Subject: OT, Ensoniq EPS > I recently puchased an Ensoniq EPS from a freind for $200 w/flightcase, > a great deal(I think). But it only came wih three disc's. Does anyone > know where I can purchase some discs for this vintage synth without > having to do it myself. Just looking for standered manufactued sounds at > the moment. Thanks, sorry for the OT. Bill/Las Vegas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 15:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20048; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:56:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:56:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 14 Feb 02 15:20:59 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:54:29 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Loopstock Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA19987 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At this point, I will be the first to ask.... Is anybody taking footage of this event? :) >>> "Clifford@BienAppraisers" 02/14/02 02:50PM >>> Part of my act involves shooting dope into my eyball while re-enacting the courting dance of the arctic Puffin- does that fall under "reefers" category? Just checking. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock Update > >So no reefers in the venue, please. > > oh that just takes it... > forget it all...i'm NOT COMING NOW!!!!! > > or better yet, maybe me and cliff can do our best jeff spicoli > imitation and just roll up to the loopstock and fall out of a smoke > filled VW van.... > > "dudes! sorry we're late....there was this HUGE line at the food court..." > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 16:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23589; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:23:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:23:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.144] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <3C6AE873.5F8BA694@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: repeater: a little question for those who know Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:26:26 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2002 21:22:04.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5E55E50:01C1B59D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should be fine. You will just have to replace IEC cable with one of your own country. Browse the archives as there was a thread about this previously :-) Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ----- Original Message ----- From: "o.malhomme" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: repeater: a little question for those who know > Well. > Let us imagine I try to order one abroad (which means here, USA)... > > What shall I face when it comes to power feeding (not my appetite for > power, ermmmmm) but : > does the repeater has a cable easily pluged/unpluged, and second, does > it have an automatic adaptation to power feeding (you know, here it is > France, with 200 volts @ 50 Hz, so...) > > Can anyone with an unit shed some light for me ? > > > Olivier Malhomme > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 17:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27950; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:10:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:10:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <130.9617aff.299d8f8f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:09:19 EST Subject: Re: Wow! Wow! Wow! (Am I looping?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, In a message dated 2/14/02 12:45:16 PM, improv@peak.org writes: >Yeah, I was gonna do a self-promo blurb to the list about this, but >you beat me to it! Thanks! Sorry, didn't mean to steal your thunder. I was just excited for you. I've subscribed to EM almost since the beginning too and thought it was way cool that you guys got in. It is an honor you guys deserve. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 17:49:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30544; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:47:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:47:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:50:27 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Little line mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C6C3F33.E72057E6@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Samson PL-1602 is 2 rack spaces and has 2 aux sends. Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've realized that I might be able to build a reasonably portable rig in a > six space rack if I could come up with a 1U or 2U line mixer as an > alternative to my Mackie 1642. Here is the signal routine I need to achieve: > > * I've got as stereo signal coming from my amp simpulator. > > * I need to split this signal and send a copy of it to my DL8000R. On my > Mackie, I'm using subs 1 & 2 to do this but I assume I could probably just > get away with Y cables. > > * I need aux sends for my EDP and my AM8000R. > > * I've got essentially 8 inputs coming into the mixer (amp x 2, DL8000R x 2, > EDP x 2, AM8000R x 2). With a bit less flexibility, I could get by with 6 > inputs plus a stereo effects return. > > * I don't need microphone preamps. > > Any recommendations? I'd like to limit the expenditure on this since I play > out relatively rarely and I'm mostly likely to use my Mackie at home. A > submixer has some appeal, but I haven't quite overflowed the Mackie yet. > > One option I'm looking at which unfortunately isn't rack mounted are the > really small Behringers. I'm hoping this list might have better > recommendations. > > Thanks. > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 17:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31173; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:53:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6C3868.E16A2A91@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:21:28 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock References: <200202142040.PAA18527@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've reserved 50 chairs, which hopefully will be too few, but they're $1.12 each, and I haven't had a chance to go after any sponsors yet. Bring a blanket to lie down on, if you are so inclined, or a lounge chair so you can recline. There's a restroom in the venue, plenty of fresh air outside, train tracks out back if you want to take a walk, and a few places to eat nearby. There's even a natural foods cooperative right across the street, too, for those who are really taking the Loopstock thing to heart. -Hans > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:34:44 -0800 > From: rich > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > concerns: > > just the length of 8-10 hours... are there places to sit, lie down, > walk around, get some fresh air, go to the restroom, get something to > eat, etc, etc? > > looking forward to seeing you all! > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 18:00:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00475; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:59:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c1b5ab$3502de20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200202142040.PAA18527@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C6C3868.E16A2A91@ernieball.com> Subject: Semi-OT- Band with loops- Neotropic Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a great album/band- sounds like lots o loops too- I know nothing about them- c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 18:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01538; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:10:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:10:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:12:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Craving more info re: loop NY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (From Tom R's original message) >I'll send a further message with the address, >phone number and exact times. We'll have >the web site up with the details before I make >an official announcement. > > A few questions/requests: 1) Do you see this as a string of solo performances, or multi-person improvisations, or what? I haven't performed publicly since 1974, and it's been a few years since I did any playing with other people. So I was thinking of showing up with the intent of playing a supporting role (perc. and pads, maybe) for a looping guitar or sax whiz. 2) Will line outs from the board be available? How actively will the board person be, um, boarding? (Thing I'm imagining: My Korg ES-1 would be perfect for this sort of gig, EXCEPT it doesn't have a line-out cutoff to enable one to preview and trim the sample using headphones. If there's somebody sitting at the board, I could make hand gestures to have the ES-1 cut out, and later, cut back in. Otherwise, the wise thing would be for me to bring a mixer for cut-out purposes.) 3) D'ya have any photos of the place you could share? 4) And who's thinking of showing up? (I'm kinda up in the air on this -- issues of what can I carry on the train and all ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 19:06:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07143; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:05:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:05:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c1b5b4$652eef40$a955e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: Little line mixers Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:04:53 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > midiman >used< to make an 18 channel, half rack space mixer. > > Unfortunately, I think they only make the 10 channel ones now. And no > send/returns :< > > http://www.midiman.com/products/m-audio/multi10.php > You can often find the 18 channel mixers still in stores at reduced prices. They're very quiet and have pan & 2 f/x sends on 12 of the channels BUT the knobs are small and hard to read so they're best as 'set and forget' mixers and not 'hands on' though I've used them both ways. They have a cool little sliding tray that lets you rack mount them beside another half racker like an SE-70 or VF-1. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 20:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12787; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:14:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <198.244a5e5.299dbaab@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:13:15 EST Subject: Re: Little line mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, you could use a rane sm82 (1 rack space), but you'd have to modify the 'pan' slider to become a second 'send'. (i did this; my sm82 now has 2 pre-fader sends --- my rack-shite has been down to 5-spaces, for a while: handy!). you'd have to figger some other way of mult-ing yer original stereo signal, however. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 20:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13029; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.22524a00.299dbb86@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:16:54 EST Subject: d.t's OAH on the cover of the new "GUITAR PLAYER" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <44aEfD.A.QLD.UGGb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how absolutly cool is dat?.....the inside verbage was very nice also.....congrats david.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 20:28:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13764; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:27:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:27:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:26:20 EST Subject: Re: d.t's OAH on the cover of the new "GUITAR PLAYER" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >how absolutly cool is dat?.....the inside verbage was very nice >also.....congrats david.....:)m ahhh..... hadn't seen that --- thanks for the heads-up! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 20:33:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14170; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <119.c9c854c.299dbf02@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:31:46 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_119.c9c854c.299dbf02_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <4s3HP.A.NdD.oUGb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_119.c9c854c.299dbf02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/02 1:57:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > there is where I'd trim. > lets just come earlier and stay later.....its not like this is going to happen that many more times in my life.....i view this as more of a "learning experience" than a "show" and to put "faces" to all your names would be a gas!.....in the world of "looping" this is A MONSTER JAM.....i dont care what ya do, im comin and im going to have more fun than any person should.....:)m --part1_119.c9c854c.299dbf02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/02 1:57:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


there is where I'd trim.


lets just come earlier and stay later.....its not like this is going to happen that many more times in my life.....i view this as more of a "learning experience" than a "show" and to put "faces" to all your names would be a gas!.....in the world of "looping" this is A MONSTER JAM.....i dont care what ya do, im comin and im going to have more fun than any person should.....:)m --part1_119.c9c854c.299dbf02_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 20:36:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14473; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:36:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:36:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.189] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: d.t's OAH on the cover of the new "GUITAR PLAYER" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:35:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 01:35:10.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[01CE08C0:01C1B5C1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listerz, Preaching to the converted I know, but it's ABOUT TIME!!! Congratulations dt! Chris"still hoping for a new Polytown cd..."Olden >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: d.t's OAH on the cover of the new "GUITAR PLAYER" >Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:16:54 EST > >how absolutly cool is dat?.....the inside verbage was very nice >also.....congrats david.....:)m > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 20:51:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15312; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:50:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <71.1a8a64d3.299dc31f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:49:19 EST Subject: my, my, my To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.1a8a64d3.299dc31f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_71.1a8a64d3.299dc31f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here:= Harmony Central=AE: New Six-String Double-Neck Bass/Guitar from=20 Gretsch=20 --part1_71.1a8a64d3.299dc31f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click here: Harmony Central=AE: New=20= Six-String Double-Neck Bass/Guitar from Gretsch --part1_71.1a8a64d3.299dc31f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 21:07:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17461; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <40.193b8e55.299dc6f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:05:39 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_40.193b8e55.299dc6f3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_40.193b8e55.299dc6f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/02 5:54:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes: > There's even a > natural foods cooperative right across the street, too, for those who are > really > taking the Loopstock thing to heart. > > and still no reefers at the venue.....yipes.....by the way, am i (.....:)m) the double chinned emoticon?..... if so.....please allow me to introduce myself.....michael klobuchar.....and i always thought :)m looked like an elephant that was eatin some dots.....but perhaps im just confused.....mnm --part1_40.193b8e55.299dc6f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/02 5:54:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:


There's even a
natural foods cooperative right across the street, too, for those who are really
taking the Loopstock thing to heart.



and still no reefers at the venue.....yipes.....by the way, am i (.....:)m) the double chinned emoticon?..... if so.....please allow me to introduce myself.....michael klobuchar.....and i always thought :)m looked like an elephant that was eatin some dots.....but perhaps im just confused.....mnm --part1_40.193b8e55.299dc6f3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 22:06:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22754; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:05:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:05:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:09:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: re: little line mixers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, the Rane sm82 is a good choice with, I believe two effects loops, the Digital Music Corp System mix plus is an amazing mixer with dual cabtone speaker simulators and two VCA's ! also if you can find a used Passac Unity mixer, those are nice transparent 8 channel mixers with 2 effects loop with the only down side being a wall wart power supply. Nice to see you at the last looping show by the way. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 14 23:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28576; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:16:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.83.131] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my, my, my Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:15:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 04:15:07.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[59FF3C60:01C1B5D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Click here: >Harmony Central®: New Six-String Double-Neck Bass/Guitar from >Gretsch Now you've got the (might even be bass) guitar riff from "Rock Lobster" going in my head... Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 01:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04448; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:59:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.83.131] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: bamboo tenor saxophone? Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:49:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 04:49:17.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FB14B70:01C1B5DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Paolo! >I dont play saxophone, but I am fascinated by bamboo and once >recorded such an instrument. >Where did you get it? A series product? >Is it "professional" in its use (perfectly tuned...)? Hi Matthias, I got my bamboo saxophone from Angel Sampedro Del Rio in Argentina: http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/bambu/Esaxos.htm My tenor sax looks like almost like the one featured on Angel's website, except that it's tuned to Bb (like a brass-body tenor sax), has a gourd bell, and has by my request a wooden attachment to facilitate supporting the instrument on my right thumb when playing standing up. I actually don't have much of a background playing saxophone either. What happened was that after I picked up a Maui Xaphoon (a cheap bamboo clarinet-like instrument) and inquired about it on the oddmusic list, I was referred by folks there to Angel. They basically said I should have gotten an instrument from Angel instead of the Xaphoon. Having had a couple of days to play my new sax, I can attest to the superior quality of Angel's workmanship. Angel tunes his saxes to equal temperament unless there is a special request. Playing each note in tune is a matter of maintaining the right amount of lip pressure on the reed, but you have to do this on any saxophone. You can also bend pitches by using fingers to vary the openings of holes. Angel's saxes use recorder fingering (supposedly the easiest fingering scheme to learn in the world of wind instruments), with one more hole added so that the left hand covers five holes instead of four as on recorder. The extra hole facilitates the playing of certain accidentals without resorting to cross-fingering. Based on the fingering chart supplied by Angel (he kindly labeled it in the key of Bb), the entire chromatic scale is accessible across the pitch range of the instrument. The fingering chart shows a 2-octave range, but I've found I can occasionally hit higher notes - I'm still getting the hang of changing the register of a note by adjusting how I "grip" the reed with my lips (i.e. embouchure). Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 03:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13067; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:05:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:05:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <148.98c7359.299e1b10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:04:32 EST Subject: Re: Little line mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > * I need aux sends for my EDP and my AM8000R. > > * I've got essentially 8 inputs coming into the mixer (amp x 2, DL8000R x 2, > EDP x 2, AM8000R x 2). With a bit less flexibility, I could get by with 6 > inputs plus a stereo effects return. > > * I don't need microphone preamps. > > Any recommendations? I'd like to limit the expenditure on this since I play > out relatively rarely and I'm mostly likely to use my Mackie at home. A > submixer has some appeal, but I haven't quite overflowed the Mackie yet. > > One option I'm looking at which unfortunately isn't rack mounted are the > really small Behringers. I'm hoping this list might have better > recommendations. > Hi Mark Don't think you'll get anything with 2 aux sends. Have you checked out BEHRINGER: Products: ULTRALINK PRO MX882 this is very versatile a stereo Input, stereo Output. and six "Channels" which either split the input, or mix to the output. (download the manual for schematics) I have one of these for small setups, it works well. Also check out MAM - Music and more - Synthesizer Mixer Sequenzer they have a 12 channel 1u mixer with an aux send (LM122) and a number of other options. With the prices of these all units, you could combine the Behringer with a 8ch MAM unit and (I think) do all you want in 2 u andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 03:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15482; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:52:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6CCB8F.3F19D412@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:49:18 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopstock Redux References: <200202141729.MAA30571@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Hans, Hans Lindauer wrote: > You can only lead a horse to water.... ...unless you drag that horse kicking and screaming to a waterfall and stick its head underneath the torrential downpour, of course! ;) First off, let me say here that I'm not trying to tell you how to run your show. It's all ultimately your call, and I respect your judgement. Having been through a few of these types of things myself, though, both as a performer and as an organizer, I do want to offer the occasional bit of devil's advocacy. > Instead of running the system four-way, I'll run it three-way and use the 15"s > for a second stage at the opposite end of the room. I'll just rent a pair of > monitors for that stage, no big deal. Whoever's on deck can set up and sound > check to their heart's content through headphones while the current act plays. > That way, we can skip the initial sound check, and also eliminate the 10 minutes > between acts, and it keeps us from having a mountain of gear on stage. Here's a few thoughts in response to that... -- What happens if a soundchecking person wants to see the current act that's playing, during the time that they're supposed to be doing their soundcheck? -- What if the act on stage is playing something quiet and meditative, while the soundchecking act is striking guitar strings, testing vocal levels, moving pieces of electronic gear, discussing set-up possibilities with other folks, walking around, and switching things on? -- What if someone doesn't want to, or can't, soundcheck via headphones? What if they need to soundcheck through the second mixer while the current act is in the middle of its set? -- What if the audience and/or performers want a bit of time to stretch, heed nature's call, eat, or just process the sensory onslaught they've just been audience to? To me, it's a dangerous proposition to try and eliminate any possible non-performance event from the schedule. Soundchecks, between-set audience breaks, and the like are important things, and shouldn't be rushed or compromised just for the sake of trying to squeeze as many folks as possible onto the bill. I also think it might be a good idea to try and allocate at least a half hour break somewhere in the late afternoon or early evening, so that people can get a decent bite to eat, walk around, and talk without feeling like they're missing out on something. Such a break could also make a good opportunity for more extensive sound-checking, gear-schlepping, and miscellaneous technical details for the second half of the show which may (and almost assuredly will) crop up, without having to bring everything to a great, tearing halt. If you can get specific gear details from everyone (and thus far only a handful of acts have responded to the inquiry regarding their set-up requirements...) then you might be able to streamline things more effectively, by figuring out who will most need that extra half-hour break/setup time, and so forth. As far as the demo stage goes, I have a feeling that every set will be something of a demo stage anyway, so it wouldn't be a great loss to forego a "workshop" phase in the formal sense. Leaving the possibility of asking specific questions at the end of somebody's set is a good idea... and yet another good reason to keep between-set breaks intact. As for my own role in the show? Honestly, here's my take: I want to be self-indulgent. I want to have a nice relaxed drive up the 101 freeway on Saturday morning, pull into San Luis Obispo, and enjoy the day checking out some performances, catching up with some friends, and meeting some new ones. And I'd like to experience a show that's running as smoothly as possible. One with enough time available that all the performers can play for a reasonable length, where the audience can enjoy the music and the experience, without succumbing to total sensory overload, fatigue, or bladder distention. And one with an atmosphere condusive to actually focusing the attention of the listeners and performers in a positive manner... instead of being strained against the clock to try and cram every possible inch of music-making into every last nook and cranny of the schedule. I honestly cannot imagine this scenario unfolding if the current line-up is expanded any further than it already exists. And if even one act is inconvenienced or compromised by my addition to the bill, then it's a serious drag for me. There are some people who, perhaps, should be given preferential treatment -- folks from out of state, out of the country, or with large and extensive rigs requiring serious set-up and tear down time, for instance. But not a guy three hours down the freeway, who doesn't really WANT to squeeze onto the bill in the first place, y'know? So: I'll be looking forward to seeing the acts on the bill that day. And I'd be delighted to work something out for a future gig in that neck of the woods, on some other occasion. There'll be plenty of chances for me to take my skipping-CD-player routine to audiences far and wide. But as for Loopstock? I will not be playing at the show. I can't comfortably see myself being a part of it at this point. And frankly, I really don't WANT to be part of it in any way other than a member of the audience. And trust me: with a bill like the one you've already got, you won't miss me for a second. Thanks for the encouragement, though. Very genuinely and sincerely appreciated. Best wishes... and good luck! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 04:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18117; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:19:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:18:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Little line mixers From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <198.244a5e5.299dbaab@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so of course the next question follows: wots in dem 5 spaces... (and where do ya find a 5 space rack-i guess ones empty,huh? s > mark, > you could use a rane sm82 (1 rack space), but you'd have to modify the 'pan' > slider to become a second 'send'. > (i did this; my sm82 now has 2 pre-fader sends --- my rack-shite has been > down to 5-spaces, for a while: handy!). > you'd have to figger some other way of mult-ing yer original stereo signal, > however. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 05:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22691; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:12:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:12:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:16:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock Update From: Mark Hamburg To: , Hans Lindauer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Untested but theoretically my setup will consist of a small rack (a table on which to place it might be nice), some floor pedals (okay, probably too many floor pedals), my guitar, and I'll want to do a stereo send to the PA. I could bring my own speakers, but that's just more to setup and tear down. I'll also have a drum throne to sit on unless someone else wants to volunteer to loan out theirs. I also hereby volunteer to shorten my set. I can probably hold it to 15 minutes. That probably works best if there's a way for the audience not to have 10+ minutes of setup before and after the set. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 05:13:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22689; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:16:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock From: Mark Hamburg To: , Hans Lindauer Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C6C3868.E16A2A91@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's the parking situation like? We're going to have lots of people needing to unload and reload equipment. Mark on 2/14/02 2:21 PM, Hans Lindauer at hans@ernieball.com wrote: > I've reserved 50 chairs, which hopefully will be too few, but they're $1.12 > each, and I haven't had a chance to go after any sponsors yet. Bring a > blanket > to lie down on, if you are so inclined, or a lounge chair so you can recline. > There's a restroom in the venue, plenty of fresh air outside, train tracks out > back if you want to take a walk, and a few places to eat nearby. There's even > a > natural foods cooperative right across the street, too, for those who are > really > taking the Loopstock thing to heart. > > -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 05:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22716; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:12:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:12:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:16:53 -0800 Subject: Re: little line mixers From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/14/02 7:09 PM, William R. Walker, at chillyb@cruzio.com wrote: > Hey Mark, the Rane sm82 is a good choice with, I believe two effects loops, > the Digital Music Corp System mix plus is an amazing mixer with dual > cabtone speaker simulators and two VCA's ! also if you can find a used > Passac Unity mixer, those are nice transparent 8 channel mixers with 2 > effects loop with the only down side being a wall wart power supply. Nice > to see you at the last looping show by the way. As it happens, I found a used Passac this morning for $50 (plus the cost of a wallwart). Glad to hear your endorsement even after I decided it was worth springing for without references. And I enjoyed your performance at the vault. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 05:23:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23269; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:22:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:22:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <110.d5e07bb.299e3b41@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:21:53 EST Subject: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The questions are : Once you've set up a loop, in what ways do you alter the timing? How would you want to alter the timing if you could? Do you want to stick to conventional time signatures? How do the features of a looping device relate to this? And the Questions relate to: Looping in general. Looping on the EDP. Certain functions of the new Loop4 software for the EDP. With some looping devices, this an easy question. The loop time always stays the same. But with the EDP and Repeater, (others) there exists the chance to alter the loop time during performance. So in changing the loop length, what happens to the rhythm? If we just multiply the length by a whole number of times, the rhythm stays the same, although the musical structure changes. Is the most important thing to "stay in time with a drum machine?" (which includes using polyrhythms) How many loopers out there are changing loop length in order to change time signature? ...and who adds ("Inserts") a sound into a loop without regard for time signature? The length of the sound being added to the length of the loop without regard to any rigid timing constraint. For instance, you could be working with a loop of a lyric, and want to splice in a word to change the meaning. OK, post now gets EDP specific. To make sense of this you need to know that a loop on the EDP can be made up of a number of equal length segments called Cycles. The EDP is possibly the only device with an Insert, so you can splice an extra section into the loop. This can be done either in whole numbers of Cycles, to stay rigidly in time, or for any time length. Do users find that without a drum machine synced, it is hard to make an insert that sounds in time, as you need to stay very accurately on the exact beats if the end of the Insert is going to match up? Is it easier to use Record as an alternate ending of Insert, so that the timing sounds right, even though you're basically aiming for the impression of regular time? There are similar issues with the EDP Multiply function. Its possible to change the loop length either in whole numbers of Cycles, or by an arbitrary amount (with an alternate button for ending). How do EDP loopers use this ability ? LOOP 4 Survey. In Loop3, a number of alternate endings to Multply and Insert were given a "quick fix", so that they were useable when Quantise=OFF without crashing the software. So Multiply ended by Reverse(when Quantise=OFF) would cause the loop to be trimmed to a new length. Also there are a number of similar functions, all governed by the same "fix". Insert ended by Reverse Insert ended by Multiply etc...etc...etc... Now in Loop4 Matthias has worked out how to "properly fix" this, so that those functions are "Rounded" . That is , the Multiply or Insert will continue until it has completed a whole number of Cycles before ending. (this does not effect Multiply>Rec, Insert>Rec) This isn't Quantise, (you could always get that behavior when quantised), but works to keep the Cycle length when Quantise=OFF. This is now in the Beta versions of Loop4, but one of the considerations of Loop4 is "No features may be taken away from loop3 users". Are these "functions", or just "emergent artifacts", (a behaviour which was not intended by the designer). Have the EDP Loopers out there become dependant on these? The loop trimming function can still be had if you hit Rec before the end of the whole number of cycles. One example is the NextLoop>Multiply>Reverse trick. (SwitchQuant=Cnf, Quant=OFF) which allows you to take out a small section of loop while Reversing it, and then to return to the original loop. This is still possible under loop4, but is now Nextloop>Multiply>Reverse>Record, with an extra button press between the 2 presses that determine the length of the section. (not as good) ...but with the new fix, you can end a Multiply and go straight into Reverse without loosing the cycle structure of the loop ( just like if you were using Quantise) So what is the most important:- 1)keeping a Cycle structure (even when not Quantised) OR 2)Being able to to any time change easily?????? These questions came up during the Beta testing of Loop4, so Matthias hinted that I might send a post to the list to test the water on this one. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 08:22:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02369; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:21:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:21:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.2305ac67.299e6537@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:20:55 EST Subject: Re: Little line mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <7shsIB.A.kk.ZtQb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com writes: >Don't think you'll get anything with 2 aux sends. pls see my previous post. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 11:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17607; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:17:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:17:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:14:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Craving more info re: loop NY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com great timing: http://loopNY.com has the details as of late last night! >(From Tom R's original message) > >>I'll send a further message with the address, >>phone number and exact times. We'll have >>the web site up with the details before I make >>an official announcement. >> >> > > >A few questions/requests: > >1) Do you see this as a string of solo performances, or multi-person >improvisations, or what? I haven't performed publicly since 1974, and it's >been a few years since I did any playing with other people. So I was >thinking of showing up with the intent of playing a supporting role (perc. >and pads, maybe) for a looping guitar or sax whiz. multi-person improvisations where the number of persons ranges from zero up. The idea is to keep it VERY informal and quite quiet. I want people to be able to actually play with new ideas and program their gear on stage without feeling bad about it. I'm anticipating that quite a lot of the time there will be just a few loops decaying. >2) Will line outs from the board be available? I have two XLR outs that could be used... >How actively will the board >person be, um, boarding? (Thing I'm imagining: My Korg ES-1 would be >perfect for this sort of gig, EXCEPT it doesn't have a line-out cutoff to >enable one to preview and trim the sample using headphones. If there's >somebody sitting at the board, I could make hand gestures to have the ES-1 >cut out, and later, cut back in. Otherwise, the wise thing would be for me >to bring a mixer for cut-out purposes.) I'll be on the board fairly actively BUT it's a long haul so if this is something you are going to do a lot you should perhaps bring the mixer. Or, you could just wander over to the board, cut out your sound, do your stuff, turn it back up... >3) D'ya have any photos of the place you could share? Dang, no. I brought a digital camera last time I was there, I should have gotten some pics but I didn't. Small, lots of various shaped chairs, a small stage about two or three feet up, a little kitchen in there. >4) And who's thinking of showing up? (I'm kinda up in the air on this -- >issues of what can I carry on the train and all ...) From this list we have myself and David Beardsley who have informally confirmed. There will be stvjns from Chama and there will be other friends of mine dropping by to play but no confirmed names yet... I have to say that I have NO idea what sort of crowd we'll get. I will pull out most of the stops (fliers, list advertising, eventually honest-to-God print advertising!) and sometimes that works and sometimes that doesn't. When I ran bunker:extreme at the Knitting Factory, we had good crowds initially and then the last two were dreadful (though they DID occur on the night of the World Series and the dreadful election, however...) There will be people there though. It will be a lot of fun. There will be gear and we can play with it "live". /t -- http://ax.to/fortune ............................ A new fortune every minute! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 12:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22615; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:06:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:06:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <110.d5e07bb.299e3b41@aol.com> References: <110.d5e07bb.299e3b41@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:11:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With Andys musical, philosophical and tecnical questioning, he made me see clearer what he does not mention in his post: We have levels and ranges of Quantisation (a better word, please?) : Immediate = Start at button press / Stop at button press (keep the musicians impulse) Rounding = Start at button press / Stop at a multiple time (keep the rhythm) Quantizing = Start at next beat one / Stop at next beat one (keep rhythm and bar structure) Are there any more such levels? Those Quantisation levels represent somehow the conflict Freedom >< Organization We dont have the freedom not to select one level at any time. maybe the picture of a business balance calulation helps: * Quantized The classical way to do the balance is every January 1. Employees have to work long hours after eating too much and sleeping little at festivities/holyday... * Round Up Maybe the business has been opened at March 1, so its easy and obvious to do the balance after a year, every March 1. But the tax institute may not accept it. * RetroQuantize? So you can do the caluculation at March 1, but using the bills up to Dez 31. (hey, this is not implemented yet! Would anyone want this?) * Round Down If you miss the end of March and calculate at April 10, you can omit ten days of the previous year and do April 10 - April 10 (nobody would do that, but it explains how the Round Down case of my Multiply function works ;-) * Immediate The most modern way is to let the computer calculate the balance over any period. This is not comparable data, but still tells you about any period you may be interested in. * Time Stretch? You can mathematically extend an immediate calculation of any period to a whole year! This is dangerous, because you THINK you know what happens that year... Apart from the level, we also select the range of the Quantisation: In the business picture, it means that you can do a monthly, quarterly or yearly calculation. Loop4 quantizes to: none - 8th - cycle - loop, while it only rounds to cycle. Well, Business is not a nice picture, please come up with a better one! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 13:41:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29400; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c1b650$3c686cc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <110.d5e07bb.299e3b41@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:40:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Mattias- Round mode sounds cool- never have checked it out- but now I will- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) > Rounding = Start at button press / Stop at a multiple time > (keep the rhythm) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 14:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01583; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:32:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:32:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:31:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock Update From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i dont need to go 30min.-my stuff usually breaks down and falls apart before then. but it would be a good test... s > I also hereby volunteer to shorten my set. I can probably hold it to 15 > minutes. That probably works best if there's a way for the audience not to > have 10+ minutes of setup before and after the set. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 14:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02417; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6D651D.A6443B1C@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:44:41 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my, my, my References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > Click here: > >Harmony Central®: New Six-String Double-Neck Bass/Guitar from > >Gretsch > > Now you've got the (might even be bass) guitar riff from "Rock Lobster" > going in my head... > > Paolo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com here comes a narwhal! 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1B65C.1350E680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 16:24:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13129; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:22:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:22:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 Echo Pro Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:21:19 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c1b666$b5d30730$6940e40c@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 21:21:49.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7DF1590:01C1B666] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of a "DL4 in a rack", I just built a little remote foot controller for my DL4 so I can control the 4 stomp buttons and expression pedal on the floor while keeping the unit on my rack where I can manipulate the settings with my hands. Basically, it's a small box with 4 SPST momentary stomp switches, a 1/4 mono female jack (for the expression pedal), and an 8 lead CAT5 networking jack. Everything is wired simply to the CAT5 jack, then I run a standard cheap, network cable to the DL4 where there's another CAT5 jack in the battery compartment. Then it was just a matter of finding out which connections to solder together. All the stomp switches share a common ground, so you can easily use 5 wires for the 4 foot switchdes, 2 wires for the expression pedal, and have 1 wire left over. It works great and I find I'm using my DL4 more now that it's in hand's reach while keeping the pedals on the floor. Yes, this probably voids the warantee -- and no, I'm not an electrical engineer -- just a soldering hack who hates bending over.... Sorry, no pics... -----Original Message----- From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 Echo Pro It's a DL4 in a rack, sych delays, with XLR/Line Level ins and outs. only 500 bills...AND you need a foot controller! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 15 18:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23003; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:45:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:45:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c1b67a$bf4d63f0$f82d2141@mumu69> From: "Jehn" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:44:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B650.D5674B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B650.D5674B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B650.D5674B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B650.D5674B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 02:00:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25334; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01:57:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01:57:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020216065627.83654.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Echoplex Digi Pro: Undo mistakes after Reverse? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-710296866-1013842587=:81073" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-710296866-1013842587=:81073 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Still having a blast in my first week of EDP-ing...I love the fact that I can record straight to hard drive with it, and using it with my guitar synth, everything is already perfectly mixed. Wow, what a timer saver! My question: I'm finding that after I use the Insert (Reverse) mode to play a sound backwards, that if I make a mistake, I can't erase it using the undo feature. It just turns my loop back around. Is there any trick to be able to undo mistakes once you have used the reverse feature? Thanks!!!! Bradley Fish --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games --0-710296866-1013842587=:81073 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 Hi,

Still having a blast in my first week of EDP-ing...I love the fact that I can record straight to hard drive with it, and using it with my guitar synth, everything is already perfectly mixed. Wow, what a timer saver!

My question:

I'm finding that after I use the Insert (Reverse) mode to play a sound backwards, that if I make a mistake, I can't erase it using the undo feature. It just turns my loop back around.

Is there any trick to be able to undo mistakes once you have used the reverse feature?

Thanks!!!!

Bradley Fish

 


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Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games --0-710296866-1013842587=:81073-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 02:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26909; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:01:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1b6b7$4f793b20$d3058490@vic.bigpond.net.au> From: "Caine Knight" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:58:16 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1B713.82AFB760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1B713.82AFB760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1B713.82AFB760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1B713.82AFB760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 03:28:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00738; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:24:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:24:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:24:23 +0000 Subject: re: DL4 modification... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Speaking of a "DL4 in a rack", I just built a little remote foot controller for my DL4 so I can control the 4 stomp buttons and expression pedal on the floor while keeping the unit on my rack where I can manipulate the settings with my hands. Basically, it's a small box with 4 SPST momentary stomp switches, a 1/4 mono female jack (for the expression pedal), and an 8 lead CAT5 networking jack. Everything is wired simply to the CAT5 jack, then I run a standard cheap, network cable to the DL4 where there's another CAT5 jack in the battery compartment. Then it was just a matter of finding out which connections to solder together. All the stomp switches share a common ground, so you can easily use 5 wires for the 4 foot switchdes, 2 wires for the expression pedal, and have 1 wire left over.<<< Man, that would make my life so much easier!!! If I could have a DL4 (or two) up on a stand, with the pedals on the floor - I spend a lot of time bending over twiddling knobs to get sounds that just aren't available on the rack version, which I was SOOOOOO looking forward to, but just isn't up to the job - all the real time tweaking 'n' squeaking that I'm able to get from the DL4 can't be accessed on the pro version as all the encoders are notched, not continuous, and the loop isn't even MIDIable... a huge disappointment... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 03:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01601; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:37:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:37:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:40:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: EMU XL-7 (Was: Handsonic looping (was Re: finally, loop NY)) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Emu is actively updating the OS, but at this point, I'm holding out for the >next update before looking for a laptop based sequencer solution - the >onboard one is built for Roland groove kiddies. > Last night, I installed the 1.18 version of the OS, and it has some surprising improvements. I'm glad to see screens to find and modify any MIDI event anywhere in the sequence, and the copy and paste functions can now work on ranges ... ... so it's getting better. But I'm not ditching Digital Performer any time soon. My first venture into MIDI involved an Emax and Performer, back in 1988. It's always amazed me to see how much useful info Emu can pack into two lines of LCDs. But I kinda hope that that USB port on the machine will inspire somebody to make a control-screen application that runs on a host (Mac, preferably.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 03:47:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02122; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:44:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:44:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c1b6c5$cdae76a0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <200202141729.MAA30571@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C6C176C.8973F737@ernieball.com> <3C6CCB8F.3F19D412@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock Redux Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:42:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, Andre. I have a habit of carrying things too far. I was just pulling your chain. Forgive me, please. I'll stop teasing you now. I appreciate your (and everybody's) input on how to make the show run smoothly and enjoyably. Please keep it coming - I've never put on a loopfest before! I once put on a festival with a dozen bands, but that was 24 hours and this is ten. If everybody doesn't get jaded and bitter after this, and wants to do it again, maybe we can shoot for two days next year. I had no idea that this thing would take on such a life of its own. I figured that maybe a half-dozen list members would actually show up, if I was lucky. Now we have a LOT of people coming, and I think that's great. With a little luck and some careful planning, we're going to have the biggest, bestest loopfest ever! Yes, things will go wrong. They always do. Here's a story that I've been waiting to share with the list, about a gig I had on the 1st of the month, armatronix' first time playing at a popular pub in downtown SLO: We set up, turn everything on, and my EDP gives me the now-familiar 88 888 8 display that it almost always does when I turn it on cold. So I smack the side of the rack, and power it back on: 88 888 8. So I let it warm up for a few minutes, smack it again (this ALWAYS works), and again 88 888 8. I smacked that damn thing from every possible angle, each time a little harder than the last, and always the same thing: 88 888 8. So about now I'm thinking that it's high time I finally get around to pulling apart my EDP to clean and re-seat those SIMMs. I bring out my emergency kit, which seems to save my ass every gig (isn't technology wonderful?), and there before my very eyes is my fiberglass contact-cleaning pencil, which I was just moments before wishing that I kept in my emergency kit. Things are looking up. I take out the SIMMs, and boy oh boy are those contacts dirty! I can't help but smile as I re-seat the SIMMs and reassemble the EDP, feeling wise to have purchased that fiberglass pencil years before, (this was my first time using it), and extremely lucky to have found it in my kit. Good thing we set up a little early. The EDP still doesn't work. 88 888 8. More smacking and cursing. A sinking feeling. The realization that the next three hours will be the last that I will ever play in this bar. No thanks, a beer isn't going to help. Ten minutes to showtime. But wait! There's hope. My friend Forrestt Williams lives about four blocks away, and he's the hottest bass player in town. I run about half a block, and then walk quickly the rest of the way, huffing and puffing. I knock, and enter without waiting for a response. The roommates look up from the TV. "Aren't you supposed to be playing right now?" (Still short of breath) "No, we start at 10:00. We've got five minutes. Have you seen Forrestt?" "He's at the shooting range. Why?" "I'm having technical difficulties. I need a bass player. If he comes back, send him to the Frog and Peach. Tell him it's an emergency. The shooting range?" "Yeah, his girl lives near there." So I walk back to the venue, change into my warmup suit, and start up the drum machines. Silence at first, then on the 808 I punch in 16th note hi-hats, followed by snare, then the kick. I start the kick out thin at first, and clicky. Throw my Tibetan Bells record on, backward. Crank the decay on the 808. Smiles all around. Randomly turn sequencer knobs and start the synth stepping. Pick up the bass. Sounds fat in here. After playing my riff four times, I start to realize that the drums are getting stale. Program a drum change with the bass hanging around my neck. Play some more bass. This sucks. Throw on another record. Drum change. Bass. Sikh Hymns LP. Add more drums. Bass. Tweak the synth. I look up, and the crowd is just standing there, looking mildly bored. And in walks Forrestt. "Pssst, c'mere. Hold this thing for me," I say, handing him the bass. And Forrestt proceeds to lay down the funkiest bass line I've ever heard. Heads start nodding. People start dancing. I smack the rack for good measure and cycle the EDP power. 88 888 8, but who cares? It ends up being armatronix' best night yet, everybody has a great time, and I still have "I'll get by with a little help from my friends" looping in my head on Monday morning when I call Alto to order a new EDP. > -- What happens if a soundchecking person wants to see the current act > that's playing, during the time that they're supposed to be doing their > soundcheck? Good point. This is a sacrifice that everyone will have to make, except for the first performer. > -- What if the act on stage is playing something quiet and meditative, > while the soundchecking act is striking guitar strings, testing vocal > levels, moving pieces of electronic gear, discussing set-up > possibilities with other folks, walking around, and switching things on? That's just common courtesy. There should be enough time that we won't have to step on each others' toes. > -- What if someone doesn't want to, or can't, soundcheck via headphones? > What if they need to soundcheck through the second mixer while the > current act is in the middle of its set? The headphones will be plugged into the second mixer. If you're not running through the mixer, wait until it's your turn before making noise. Hopefully you've set everything up at home prior to the festival and tweaked all your gear in beforehand. > -- What if the audience and/or performers want a bit of time to stretch, > heed nature's call, eat, or just process the sensory onslaught they've > just been audience to? > > To me, it's a dangerous proposition to try and eliminate any possible > non-performance event from the schedule. Soundchecks, between-set > audience breaks, and the like are important things, and shouldn't be > rushed or compromised just for the sake of trying to squeeze as many > folks as possible onto the bill. Yes, I agree that a little bit of time between acts would be a good thing. > I also think it might be a good idea to try and allocate at least a half > hour break somewhere in the late afternoon or early evening, so that > people can get a decent bite to eat, walk around, and talk without > feeling like they're missing out on something. Excellent idea. I'll schedule that in. > Such a break could also make a good opportunity for more extensive > sound-checking, gear-schlepping, and miscellaneous technical details for > the second half of the show which may (and almost assuredly will) crop > up, without having to bring everything to a great, tearing halt. > > If you can get specific gear details from everyone (and thus far only > a handful of acts have responded to the inquiry regarding their set-up > requirements...) then you might be able to streamline things more > effectively, by figuring out who will most need that extra half-hour > break/setup time, and so forth. Yes. Maybe those who know they'll need more time can start setting up three acts ahead of their slot, behind the person who's on deck. Maybe everyone should do this, just to be safe. > As far as the demo stage goes, I have a feeling that every set will be > something of a demo stage anyway, so it wouldn't be a great loss to > forego a "workshop" phase in the formal sense. Leaving the possibility > of asking specific questions at the end of somebody's set is a good > idea... and yet another good reason to keep between-set breaks intact. I'm getting closer. > As for my own role in the show? Logistical consultant. Just relax and watch how it all unfolds, knowing that you've done everything that you could to try to talk some sense into these sorry suckers. Thanks again Andre, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 04:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06286; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 04:40:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 04:40:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <192.25e801e.299f8309@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 04:40:25 EST Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, Business is not a nice picture, please come up with a better one! *WelfareQuantize. The money runs out 2 days before the next check comes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 06:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13929; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:50:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:50:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6E48AC.E4A6383D@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:55:25 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Little line mixers References: <200202142040.PAA18532@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'll add two more candidates to the "mix." The Rolls RM203 is a 10-channel *stereo* 1U line mixer. It only has one aux send, however. This is a quiet well-built mixer. Its only problem is that the balance and aux knobs are pretty teeny. The Roland M-120 is a 12-channel mono 1U line mixer that has the 2 aux sends requested. It's built like a tank, nice knob layout. I have one for sale if anyone's interested :) (12 mono channels just aren't enough for me these days!!) Elby > > Subject: Little line mixers > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:38:58 -0800 > From: Mark Hamburg > To: "Looper's Delight" > I've realized that I might be able to build a reasonably portable rig > in a > six space rack if I could come up with a 1U or 2U line mixer as an > alternative to my Mackie 1642. Here is the signal routine I need to > achieve: > > * I've got as stereo signal coming from my amp simpulator. > > * I need to split this signal and send a copy of it to my DL8000R. On > my > Mackie, I'm using subs 1 & 2 to do this but I assume I could probably > just > get away with Y cables. > > * I need aux sends for my EDP and my AM8000R. > > * I've got essentially 8 inputs coming into the mixer (amp x 2, > DL8000R x 2, > EDP x 2, AM8000R x 2). With a bit less flexibility, I could get by > with 6 > inputs plus a stereo effects return. > > * I don't need microphone preamps. > > Any recommendations? I'd like to limit the expenditure on this since I > play > out relatively rarely and I'm mostly likely to use my Mackie at home. > A > submixer has some appeal, but I haven't quite overflowed the Mackie > yet. > > One option I'm looking at which unfortunately isn't rack mounted are > the > really small Behringers. I'm hoping this list might have better > recommendations. > > Thanks. > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 10:41:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26461; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:38:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:38:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: RE: trace elliot road 160 head Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:39:11 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF54A0.A45074E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000c01c1b65c$156a0280$fd5430d5@snowmonster> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF54A0.A45074E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Good amps, very reliable. TVT9 is an all-tube twin channel pre-amp with an EM84 illuminated gate tube to show saturation, (like the early Selmer amps). Output stages are unusual, in that they are Hitachi K135 MOSFETS driving valve-style output transformers. This gives a rich second-harmonic distortion. The amp is not super-high gain so will not be for everyone, but the clean sound is very clear up to silly volumes. That's the other thing, these amps are incredibly loud! 2 x 80Watts RMS, which is a bit overkill for lead guitar in my opinion and liable to damage eardrums if you're not careful. They were very expensive, so if it's a good deal, I can recommend it. The G-Series pre-amps, which were also available at the time were far too complex, so I wouldn't recommend them, (loads of relays which fail). The TVT9 however is simple, using cheap ECC83/12AX7 valves and the output stages are pretty much indestructible. Ritchie Sambora used these for a few years when Trace was part of Kaman Music. If you want, I can mail the operating instructions in PDF, Andy, ex-Trace Elliot R&D manager. Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 15 February 2002 20:05 To: LD mailing list Subject: trace elliot road 160 head is anyone familiar with these amp heads ?? i have seen one on ebay 2 x 80 watt power sections and TVT9 preamp but i cant find any info on it, trace eliiot are not being much help has anyone ever used one ?? thanks David one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF54A0.A45074E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Yes,
Good amps, very reliable. = TVT9 is an=20 all-tube twin channel pre-amp with an EM84 illuminated gate tube to = show=20 saturation, (like the early Selmer amps).
Output stages are unusual, = in that they=20 are Hitachi K135 MOSFETS driving valve-style output transformers. This = gives a=20 rich second-harmonic distortion. 
The amp is not = super-high=20 gain so will not be for everyone, but the clean sound is very = clear up to=20 silly volumes. That's the other thing, these amps are incredibly loud! = 2 x=20 80Watts RMS, which is a bit overkill for lead guitar in my opinion and = liable=20 to damage eardrums if you're not careful.
They were very expensive, so = if it's a=20 good deal, I can recommend it. The G-Series pre-amps, which were also=20 available at the time were far too complex, so I wouldn't recommend = them,=20 (loads of relays which fail). The TVT9 however is simple, using=20 cheap ECC83/12AX7 valves and the output stages are pretty much=20 indestructible. Ritchie Sambora used these for a few years when Trace = was part=20 of Kaman Music.
If you want, I can mail = the=20 operating instructions in PDF,
 
Andy,
ex-Trace Elliot R&D=20 manager. 

 
 
 Original = Message-----
From:=20 one less than none = [mailto:onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent:=20 15 February 2002 20:05
To: LD mailing = list
Subject: trace=20 elliot road 160 head
is anyone familiar with = these amp=20 heads ??
i have seen one on = ebay
2 x 80 watt power = sections and TVT9=20 preamp
but i cant find any info = on it,=20 trace eliiot are not being much help
 
has anyone ever used one = ??
 
thanks
 
David
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF54A0.A45074E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 13:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04782; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:22:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:22:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c1b715$b4681200$ac5330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: trace elliot road 160 head Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:13:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B715.B310BF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B715.B310BF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want, I can mail the operating instructions in PDF, that would be fantastic ! my email is : onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk are they suitible for metal type distortion ?? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Ewen=20 To: LD mailing list=20 Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 9:39 PM Subject: RE: trace elliot road 160 head Yes, Good amps, very reliable. TVT9 is an all-tube twin channel pre-amp = with an EM84 illuminated gate tube to show saturation, (like the early = Selmer amps). Output stages are unusual, in that they are Hitachi K135 MOSFETS = driving valve-style output transformers. This gives a rich = second-harmonic distortion.=20 The amp is not super-high gain so will not be for everyone, but the = clean sound is very clear up to silly volumes. That's the other thing, = these amps are incredibly loud! 2 x 80Watts RMS, which is a bit overkill = for lead guitar in my opinion and liable to damage eardrums if you're = not careful. They were very expensive, so if it's a good deal, I can recommend = it. The G-Series pre-amps, which were also available at the time were = far too complex, so I wouldn't recommend them, (loads of relays which = fail). The TVT9 however is simple, using cheap ECC83/12AX7 valves and = the output stages are pretty much indestructible. Ritchie Sambora used = these for a few years when Trace was part of Kaman Music. If you want, I can mail the operating instructions in PDF, Andy, ex-Trace Elliot R&D manager.=20 =20 Original Message----- From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 15 February 2002 20:05 To: LD mailing list Subject: trace elliot road 160 head is anyone familiar with these amp heads ?? i have seen one on ebay 2 x 80 watt power sections and TVT9 preamp but i cant find any info on it, trace eliiot are not being much help has anyone ever used one ?? thanks David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B715.B310BF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  If you want, I = can mail=20 the operating instructions in PDF,
 
=
 
that would be fantastic ! = my email is=20 :
onelessthannone@blueyond= er.co.uk
are they suitible for = metal type=20 distortion ??
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Ewen
To: LD mailing = list
Sent: Saturday, January 01, = 2000 9:39=20 PM
Subject: RE: trace elliot road = 160=20 head

 
Yes,
Good amps, very reliable. = TVT9 is an=20 all-tube twin channel pre-amp with an EM84 illuminated gate tube to = show=20 saturation, (like the early Selmer amps).
Output stages are unusual, = in that=20 they are Hitachi K135 MOSFETS driving valve-style output = transformers. This=20 gives a rich second-harmonic distortion. 
The amp is not = super-high=20 gain so will not be for everyone, but the clean sound is very = clear up=20 to silly volumes. That's the other thing, these amps are incredibly = loud! 2=20 x 80Watts RMS, which is a bit overkill for lead guitar in my opinion = and=20 liable to damage eardrums if you're not careful.
They were very expensive, = so if it's a=20 good deal, I can recommend it. The G-Series pre-amps, which were = also=20 available at the time were far too complex, so I wouldn't recommend = them,=20 (loads of relays which fail). The TVT9 however is simple, using=20 cheap ECC83/12AX7 valves and the output stages are pretty much=20 indestructible. Ritchie Sambora used these for a few years when = Trace was=20 part of Kaman Music.
If you want, I = can mail the=20 operating instructions in PDF,
 
Andy,
ex-Trace Elliot R&D=20 manager. 

 
 
 Original = Message-----
From:=20 one less than none = [mailto:onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent:=20 15 February 2002 20:05
To: LD mailing = list
Subject:=20 trace elliot road 160 head
is anyone familiar = with these amp=20 heads ??
i have seen one on=20 ebay
2 x 80 watt power = sections and=20 TVT9 preamp
but i cant find any = info on it,=20 trace eliiot are not being much help
 
has anyone ever used = one=20 ??
 
thanks
 
David
 
one less than = none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1B715.B310BF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 14:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10480; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:40:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:40:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.19.98.169] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: trace elliot road 160 head Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:39:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2002 19:39:31.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[A755DAF0:01C1B721] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The characteristics & specs resembles a lot the G-PA160s I have, a dual-space rackmount solid-state reactor power stage 2x80W for guitar. Very clear indeed, as little coloring (in my estimation) as I've been able to find. And indeed can be dangerously loud - I'm constantly fishing for the right level setting in the very low end of the range of the level pots. I think Trace Elliot only made a brief foray into this type of equipment before finding its niche again w/ bass & acoustic amplification? Pity, I'm extremely fond of it, have been for the 10-odd years I've owned it. At the time, I chose it over the Marshall Valvestate for a more all-round and versatile sound. Nic >From: "Andy Ewen" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "LD mailing list" >Subject: RE: trace elliot road 160 head >Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:39:11 -0000 > > > Yes, > Good amps, very reliable. TVT9 is an all-tube twin channel pre-amp with >an >EM84 illuminated gate tube to show saturation, (like the early Selmer >amps). > Output stages are unusual, in that they are Hitachi K135 MOSFETS driving >valve-style output transformers. This gives a rich second-harmonic >distortion. > The amp is not super-high gain so will not be for everyone, but the >clean >sound is very clear up to silly volumes. That's the other thing, these amps >are incredibly loud! 2 x 80Watts RMS, which is a bit overkill for lead >guitar in my opinion and liable to damage eardrums if you're not careful. > They were very expensive, so if it's a good deal, I can recommend it. >The >G-Series pre-amps, which were also available at the time were far too >complex, so I wouldn't recommend them, (loads of relays which fail). The >TVT9 however is simple, using cheap ECC83/12AX7 valves and the output >stages >are pretty much indestructible. Ritchie Sambora used these for a few years >when Trace was part of Kaman Music. > If you want, I can mail the operating instructions in PDF, > > Andy, > ex-Trace Elliot R&D manager. > > > > Original Message----- > From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: 15 February 2002 20:05 > To: LD mailing list > Subject: trace elliot road 160 head > > > is anyone familiar with these amp heads ?? > i have seen one on ebay > 2 x 80 watt power sections and TVT9 preamp > but i cant find any info on it, trace eliiot are not being much help > > has anyone ever used one ?? > > thanks > > David > > one less than none > http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 17:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22794; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:19:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:19:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:18:52 -0800 Subject: test? From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tap tap tap, is this thing on? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 17:36:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24253; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: test? Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:41:44 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b743$7e449440$e677580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <-teN6C.A.Q5F.46tb8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yar! recording on my b-day. muy fun! you? best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 -----Original Message----- From: Marklar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: test? >tap tap tap, is this thing on? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 17:57:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25945; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c1b73c$bbaf8e90$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:53:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4s8kR.A.5UG.IOub8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are about 6 spaces near the entrance to the building. These will be reserved for whoever is unloading/loading/playing at the moment. Otherwise, there's plenty of parking on the street in the immediate vicinity of the venue. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: ; "Hans Lindauer" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:16 AM Subject: Re: Loopstock > What's the parking situation like? We're going to have lots of people > needing to unload and reload equipment. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 18:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28225; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:19:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:19:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:23:14 -0800 Subject: EDP hardware From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got my Gibson EDP. I have to say that the little tweaks made to the hardware relative to my Oberheim EDP make it feel like a much more solid unit. In particular, the knobs now feel a lot less fragile. Maybe not quite the Electrix built-like-a-tank feel of my Mo-FX, but the unit feels good. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 18:33:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28705; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:27:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:27:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jim Poppen" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:27:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B6FE.75443FC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000e01c1b6b7$4f793b20$d3058490@vic.bigpond.net.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B6FE.75443FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's how you should go about unsubscribing: To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Caine Knight [mailto:cknight@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B6FE.75443FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1B6FE.75443FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 18:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29711; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:46:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: EDP hardware Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:52:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b74d$5f84fb80$e677580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1_PaL.A.3PH.U9ub8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - good to hear. I'm think about investing in another EDP. are you going stereo or serial with your EDP's? br, Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg To: Looper's Delight Date: Saturday, February 16, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: EDP hardware >Just got my Gibson EDP. I have to say that the little tweaks made to the >hardware relative to my Oberheim EDP make it feel like a much more solid >unit. In particular, the knobs now feel a lot less fragile. Maybe not quite >the Electrix built-like-a-tank feel of my Mo-FX, but the unit feels good. > >Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 19:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31673; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:05:37 EST Subject: Re: test? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 02/16/2002 2:36:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: > yar! recording on my b-day. muy fun! > you? > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 Hey! It's my Birthday too! Enjoy! Marc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 20:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04278; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:27:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:27:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6F07E7.83503FED@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:35:15 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Digi Pro: Undo mistakes after Reverse? References: <20020216065627.83654.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bradley Fish wrote: > Hi, > > Still having a blast in my first week of EDP-ing...I love the fact > that I can record straight to hard drive with it, and using it with my > guitar synth, everything is already perfectly mixed. Wow, what a timer > saver! > > My question: > > I'm finding that after I use the Insert (Reverse) mode to play a sound > backwards, that if I make a mistake, I can't erase it using the undo > feature. It just turns my loop back around. > > Is there any trick to be able to undo mistakes once you have used the > reverse feature? > > Thanks!!!! > > Bradley Fish > the way i understand, he undo function, wonderful as it is, has its limits. no "fixing" backward parts. i guess it's too much to ask of the processor...my advise: learn to love your "mistakes" (or work around them...) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 20:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04818; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:35:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C6F09B0.58DAD53F@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:42:54 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Echoplex Digi Pro: Undo mistakes after Reverse? References: <20020216065627.83654.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> <3C6F07E7.83503FED@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i wrote: (unintended gender bias) > (t)he undo function... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 20:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05752; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020216172746.029dcab8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:46:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Digi Pro: Undo mistakes after Reverse? In-Reply-To: <20020216065627.83654.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:56 PM 2/15/2002, Bradley Fish wrote: >Still having a blast in my first week of EDP-ing...I love the fact that I >can record straight to hard drive with it, and using it with my guitar >synth, everything is already perfectly mixed. Wow, what a timer saver! great! >My question: > >I'm finding that after I use the Insert (Reverse) mode to play a sound >backwards, that if I make a mistake, I can't erase it using the undo >feature. It just turns my loop back around. > >Is there any trick to be able to undo mistakes once you have used the >reverse feature? no, unfortunately, you cannot undo things from before a reverse. With the current LoopIII software, you cannot undo things during a reverse either. However, the latter will be a new possibility with the upcoming LoopIV software. So while you have a loop reversing you can undo any overdubs you make. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 16 23:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19612; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:54:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:54:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:58:58 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP hardware From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01c1b74d$5f84fb80$e677580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/16/02 4:52 PM, Pedro Felix at PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Mark - > > good to hear. I'm think about investing in another EDP. are you going stereo > or serial with your EDP's? > > br, Pedro Parallel. My plan (not yet hooked up) is to Y-cable the send to the EDPs and then bring them back on separate channels into the mixer. My plan is to only record to one at a time. With a certain amount of mixer fiddling, that configuration should actually allow me to send from one EDP to the other. I'd originally figured that if I were getting a second EDP, it would be for stereo. Now that I've got a reasonable mixer, I'm finding that stereo loops aren't as critical since I've got other things going on that can stereoize the signal. Stereo mixboard sends are also a pain to manage in my experience. The one effect that I am running in stereo is my DL8000R because I want to take full advantage of crossfeed delay effects. To do that, however, I'm using one of my submixes. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 04:11:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04752; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:10:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:09:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <110.d5e07bb.299e3b41@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2bk8GB.A.uJB.EN3b8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm trying to understand the concepts and questions posed by Andy-- Rec, Insert>Rec) Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13819; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:54:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:54:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: trace elliot road 160 head Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, identical power stages. We weren't very successful with these early Guitar amps as they were a bit unconventional and very expensive. It wasn't until the Speedtwin valve range that we had world class guitar amps at fair prices. Glad you've been happy with the G-PA160 for 10 years. -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:nicroozeboom@hotmail.com] Sent: 16 February 2002 19:40 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: trace elliot road 160 head The characteristics & specs resembles a lot the G-PA160s I have, a dual-space rackmount solid-state reactor power stage 2x80W for guitar. Very clear indeed, as little coloring (in my estimation) as I've been able to find. And indeed can be dangerously loud - I'm constantly fishing for the right level setting in the very low end of the range of the level pots. I think Trace Elliot only made a brief foray into this type of equipment before finding its niche again w/ bass & acoustic amplification? Pity, I'm extremely fond of it, have been for the 10-odd years I've owned it. At the time, I chose it over the Marshall Valvestate for a more all-round and versatile sound. Nic >From: "Andy Ewen" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "LD mailing list" >Subject: RE: trace elliot road 160 head >Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:39:11 -0000 > > > Yes, > Good amps, very reliable. TVT9 is an all-tube twin channel pre-amp with >an >EM84 illuminated gate tube to show saturation, (like the early Selmer >amps). > Output stages are unusual, in that they are Hitachi K135 MOSFETS driving >valve-style output transformers. This gives a rich second-harmonic >distortion. > The amp is not super-high gain so will not be for everyone, but the >clean >sound is very clear up to silly volumes. That's the other thing, these amps >are incredibly loud! 2 x 80Watts RMS, which is a bit overkill for lead >guitar in my opinion and liable to damage eardrums if you're not careful. > They were very expensive, so if it's a good deal, I can recommend it. >The >G-Series pre-amps, which were also available at the time were far too >complex, so I wouldn't recommend them, (loads of relays which fail). The >TVT9 however is simple, using cheap ECC83/12AX7 valves and the output >stages >are pretty much indestructible. Ritchie Sambora used these for a few years >when Trace was part of Kaman Music. > If you want, I can mail the operating instructions in PDF, > > Andy, > ex-Trace Elliot R&D manager. > > > > Original Message----- > From: one less than none [mailto:onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: 15 February 2002 20:05 > To: LD mailing list > Subject: trace elliot road 160 head > > > is anyone familiar with these amp heads ?? > i have seen one on ebay > 2 x 80 watt power sections and TVT9 preamp > but i cant find any info on it, trace eliiot are not being much help > > has anyone ever used one ?? > > thanks > > David > > one less than none > http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 11:35:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02305; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:34:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:34:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:40:01 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b7da$2022f540$e677580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips ~ -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:23 AM Subject: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) >The questions are : >Once you've set up a loop, in what ways do you alter the timing? depends on which looper i'm using, usually compressing the loop and adding sound then opening up the loop to hear the artifacts. On the EDP I use Insert but as I have the Ins switch at REV, it's usually long presses and such. In addition I find that multiplying the loop and only adding a bit more, when not quantised let's me get the loop, well more full. >How would you want to alter the timing if you could? see above, if EDP went more time compress (meaning pitch), well then all bets would be off, eh? >Do you want to stick to conventional time signatures? No please. >How do the features of a looping device relate to this? i'm never sure what i'll play and don't like being told to stick to a signature I may have no interest in. >And the Questions relate to: >Looping in general. >Looping on the EDP. >Certain functions of the new Loop4 software for the EDP. > >With some looping devices, this an easy question. >The loop time always stays the same. >But with the EDP and Repeater, (others) there exists the >chance to alter the loop time during performance. >So in changing the loop length, what happens to the rhythm? >If we just multiply the length by a whole number of times, the rhythm stays >the>same, although the musical structure changes. > >Is the most important thing to "stay in time with a drum machine?" >(which includes using polyrhythms) No it is not, i'm not using a drum machine, but I can see the point. Personally I am a big fan of letting the fingers/feet decide when a loop should be cut or other. >How many loopers out there are changing loop length in order to change time >signature? I do, but look more to the feel (groove) of the loop. so i'm not counting but letting my ears dictate when the loop can be, supplemented is the word that comes to mind. that and padding. >...and who adds ("Inserts") a sound into a loop without regard for time >signature? The length of the sound being added to the length of the loop >without regard to any rigid timing constraint. that's me, loops are great big open things for me, my signature is my timing. >For instance, you could be working with a loop of a lyric, and want to splice >in a word to change the meaning. see above >OK, post now gets EDP specific. To make sense of this you need to know that a >loop on the EDP can be made up of a number of equal length segments called >Cycles. >The EDP is possibly the only device with an Insert, so you can splice an >extra section into the loop. This can be done either in whole numbers of >Cycles, to stay rigidly in time, or for any time length. >Do users find that without a drum machine synced, it is hard to make an >insert that sounds in time, as you need to stay very accurately on the exact >beats if the end of the Insert is going to match up? N/A I have never tried synching myself witha drum machine. >Is it easier to use Record as an alternate ending of Insert, so that the >timing sounds right, even though you're basically aiming for the impression >of regular time? not really. kind of takes you away from what you were doing in the first place. at least for me a somewhat different mindset. >There are similar issues with the EDP Multiply function. >Its possible to change the loop length either in whole numbers of Cycles,>or by an arbitrary amount (with an alternate button for ending). >How do EDP loopers use this ability ? I go for the arbitrary amount all the way. Using Multiply and splicing off parts of loops (now cycles), makes for a different approach, kind of like how many different ways can you make a loop sound. >LOOP 4 Survey. >In Loop3, a number of alternate endings to Multply and Insert were given a >"quick fix", so that they were useable when Quantise=OFF without crashing the >software. >So Multiply ended by Reverse(when Quantise=OFF) would cause the loop to be >trimmed to a new length. >Also there are a number of similar functions, all governed by the same "fix". >Insert ended by Reverse >Insert ended by Multiply >etc...etc...etc... > >Now in Loop4 Matthias has worked out how to "properly fix" this, so that >those functions are "Rounded" . That is , the Multiply or Insert will >continue until it has completed a whole number of Cycles before ending.>(this does not effect Multiply>Rec, Insert>Rec) >This isn't Quantise, (you could always get that behavior when quantised), but >works to keep the Cycle length when Quantise=OFF. >This is now in the Beta versions of Loop4, but one of the considerations of >Loop4 is >"No features may be taken away from loop3 users". > >Are these "functions", or just "emergent artifacts", (a behaviour which was >not intended by the designer). >Have the EDP Loopers out there become dependant on these? Yes, well dependent is a heavy word. I have grown quite fond of the opportunities afforded me by said function er, irregularites. Then again I am a strong believer in making the most of the gear, so I kinda found these "functions" quite usable. >The loop trimming function can still be had if you hit Rec before the end of >the whole number of cycles. ahh, that's okay I guess. different mindset but adaptable in my brain. >One example is the NextLoop>Multiply>Reverse trick. >(SwitchQuant=Cnf, Quant=OFF) >which allows you to take out a small section of loop while Reversing it,>and then to return to the original loop. cool. >This is still possible under loop4, but is now >Nextloop>Multiply>Reverse>Record, with an extra button press between the 2 >presses that determine the length of the section. (not as good) > >...but with the new fix, you can end a Multiply and go straight into Reverse >without loosing the cycle structure of the loop ( just like if you were using >Quantise) I actually like that a whole lot! >So what is the most important:- >1)keeping a Cycle structure (even when not Quantised) >OR >2)Being able to to any time change easily?????? not sure I understand the question the way it is posed. I'm all for leaving the weirder "functions" accessable. >These questions came up during the Beta testing of Loop4, so Matthias hinted >that I might send a post to the list to test the water on this one. >andy butler > like a lot of others, anticipating LOOP4 and many thanks for the updates. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 15:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21679; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:52:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:52:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <38.2354d6dd.29a17191@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:50:25 EST Subject: RE: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > <1)keeping a Cycle structure (even when not Quantised) > <2)Being able to to any time change easily?????? > What is the second alternative? > To to, we're not in Kansas anymore. . . > Gary thanks for that Gary 2)Being able to do any time change easily? ........not restricted to a Cycle andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 16:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26130; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:50:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c1b7fb$f859e600$6c5630d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: a few loops i made Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:42:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1B7FB.F6D038C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1B7FB.F6D038C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable at the following address http://pub39.ezboard.com/fonelessthannonefrm7.showMessage?topicID=3D7.top= ic David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1B7FB.F6D038C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1B7FB.F6D038C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 16:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25923; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:49:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:49:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c1b7fb$ba582e20$6c5630d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: edp questions Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:40:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1B7FB.B8A54E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1B7FB.B8A54E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how do i setup the EDP so that when i press next loop the loop starts at = the beginning of the loop ??? David=20 one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1B7FB.B8A54E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

how do i setup the EDP so that when i press next loop the loop starts = at the=20 beginning of the loop ???

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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1B7FB.B8A54E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 17:21:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29034; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:20:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:20:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:20:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38.2354d6dd.29a17191@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0nLhrC.A.xEH.3yCc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I try to amuse . . . Sometimes it works. Synchronization is pretty important for a lot of EDP users (so I gather) but it seems like the quantization and rounding modes satisfy that--I would think that the "do any time change" option would be the way to go, free of the restrictions of quantization, and then let users who require even numbers (like me, most of the time) use the other modes. I look forward to the release of Loop4 with bated breath. The best looper ever gets even better! I don't think I'm going to be restricted by any changes in the functions--MIDI control lets you do a lot--but thanks for asking for input. Gary Original message-- Andy asked: > <1)keeping a Cycle structure (even when not Quantised) > <2)Being able to to any time change easily?????? Gary replied: > What is the second alternative? > To to, we're not in Kansas anymore. . . Andy responded: thanks for that Gary 2)Being able to do any time change easily? ........not restricted to a Cycle andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 18:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01007; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:18:47 -0800 Subject: Help. New EDP less than perfect... From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My new EDP (delivered this past week), seems to add noise to the loop when I leave it running. Overdub is off. It still seems to be feeding back at 100%. But there's a rumble that builds up under or replaces the signal. A quick search of my archives brought up various issues that would cause continual decay, but I didn't see anything specifically about this sort of problem. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 19:08:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05119; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:07:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:07:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:06:21 EST Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ab, mg, kf, would be nice to have both options for dealing w/time & looplengths --- rnd/qnt, and free, in Loop4. also: divide (w/a sus-pedal option, and incl. divide:copy-to-nxt-loop, and undo), and: 'windowing', as per my big email to kim last year. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 19:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05450; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:09:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:09:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c1b80f$d8e52280$d3095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #256 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:04:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #256 February 14, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. These artists will be featured at the Manikin Marathon in April, a 36 hour concert celebrating ten years of the Manikin label. The Featured CD at midnight was "The Reason Why" by Keller and Schönwälder on the Manikin label. The vinyl show starter was "Ricochet" by Tangerine Dream on the Virgin label. I played the music of Orbital Decay to promote their concert at the IceHouse in Bethlehem on February 16. Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#feb Manikin Marathon http://www.manikin.de/bodynews.html#sulza_e SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tangerine Dream Ricochet Part 1 Ricochet (Virgin) Orbital Decay Live on EMUSIC * CDR of the 12-27-01 broadcast Vir Unis Calling to the Locust Dreamers at the Edge of Queen Decaying Light (In the Bubble Music) Synergy Legacy Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra (Third Contact) Jean-Pierre Sacromani Some Times Ago Music for Time (M-C-P) Zero Ohms Radha Shabda Atma-Spheric Surfaces (ZOP Opus) 12:00 am Keller & Schönwälder Live at the Jodrell Bank The Reason Why (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Mysterious Sounds The Reason Why (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Space The Reason Why (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Firewalker The Reason Why (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Shadows The Reason Why (Manikin) Keller & Schönwälder Beyond the Sea * The Reason Why (Manikin) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Drei" by Broekhuis, Keller & Schönwälder on the Manikin label. Next week's vinyl show starter will be "Green Ray" by Zanov on the Polydor label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series - http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 20:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10651; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:17:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:17:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a601c1b81a$380e3440$d0168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers" Subject: Re: DL4 modification... Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:18:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>Speaking of a "DL4 in a rack", I just built a little remote foot >controller for my DL4 so I can control the 4 stomp buttons and >expression pedal on the floor while keeping the unit on my rack where I >can manipulate the settings with my hands. This sounds lovely, and I'm wondering if I can perform such a mod to my Headrush. Anyone tried this yet? Some further questions: >Basically, it's a small box with 4 SPST momentary stomp switches, What brand/source? I'm in desperate need of a *roadworthy* and *silent* stomp switch for less than $15 US. >a 1/4 >mono female jack (for the expression pedal), and an 8 lead CAT5 >networking jack. What is a CAT5 networking jack? Would I find this in the Mouser electronics catalog, ferinstance? >Everything is wired simply to the CAT5 jack, then I >run a standard cheap, network cable to the DL4 What is "standard, cheap network cable?" Is it roadworthy? >where there's another >CAT5 jack in the battery compartment. Then it was just a matter of >finding out which connections to solder together. > This must have been fun to listen to! Thanks in advance for the help. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 17 21:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16481; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:39:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:39:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Help. New EDP less than perfect... Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:39:30 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c1b825$7dfe40c0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a problem that sounds exactly like yours- it had to do with certain timing crystals that were out of spec (I think)- but as far as I know the new Trace Elliot models had this issue licked- It is a new unit so I am sure Gibson will be happy to help you get it cleared up- whatever the issue may be- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 3:19 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Help. New EDP less than perfect... My new EDP (delivered this past week), seems to add noise to the loop when I leave it running. Overdub is off. It still seems to be feeding back at 100%. But there's a rumble that builds up under or replaces the signal. A quick search of my archives brought up various issues that would cause continual decay, but I didn't see anything specifically about this sort of problem. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 00:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28433; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:15:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Help. New EDP less than perfect... From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4YaKDD.A.V7G.LzIc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com More information... It appears to work fine if I don't have an expression pedal (EV-5) connected to the feedback jack. If I do connect a pedal -- even one that works just fine in my older Oberheim EDP -- I get an effect that's somewhere between a tremolo and distortion which builds up each time the loop cycles. I'd really rather not have to send this unit back having just gotten it, but more than that I'd like for it to work properly. Any hints? Mark on 2/17/02 3:18 PM, Mark Hamburg at mark_hamburg@baymoon.com wrote: > My new EDP (delivered this past week), seems to add noise to the loop when I > leave it running. Overdub is off. It still seems to be feeding back at 100%. > But there's a rumble that builds up under or replaces the signal. > > A quick search of my archives brought up various issues that would cause > continual decay, but I didn't see anything specifically about this sort of > problem. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 02:33:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06423; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:32:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:32:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Little line mixers Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1b84e$5dd22ea0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <198.244a5e5.299dbaab@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it a difficult mod? I like that the face of the sm82 is so simple and un-cluttered- although the price seems very high IMO- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Little line mixers mark, you could use a rane sm82 (1 rack space), but you'd have to modify the 'pan' slider to become a second 'send'. (i did this; my sm82 now has 2 pre-fader sends --- my rack-shite has been down to 5-spaces, for a while: handy!). you'd have to figger some other way of mult-ing yer original stereo signal, however. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 04:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14486; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:34:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:34:27 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01c1b7da$2022f540$e677580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 10:02:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06239; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:01:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:01:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:06:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:EDP Undo everything Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve said: >Thanks, Matthias -- looking forward to Loop 4. Also, I agree with >Mountain Man (see below). > >One of the things that would make undo more usable for me would be >having the short press be the "undo everything." Ok, "undo everything" is pretty simple to do, so we could introduce it even at this stage. But it would be the long press, because there is no way to do a longpress without doing a short press first (sounds trivial but brings serious problems for the user interface!) So short press does undo one (modified) layer back from the point it is pressed. Long press would go straight back to the oldest verstion still available. This may not be sufficiant, since you may not know which this oldest version is. I would not memorize the very first version separately, so you would get the same version as you can get now by pressing Undo a zilllion times (until the LED goes off). So you can get the same by programming a MIDI button with a zillion UNDO ;-) We would aslo loose the "errase from the beginning of the previous loop" In turn we could make Undo quantized (when Quantize is selected) to achieve this. I am afraid to make changes that take away functions because someone may be hurt by it. But in this case... what does everyone think? Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 10:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06444; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:02:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:07:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: its all about syncing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The moon is not synced to the sun, nor to earth. This causes us some problems with calenders but does not turn life ugly. Partners are looking for sync to become efficient. We dream of harmony in our lifes. Synced may be even better. Or boring. Two harmonically related notes sound better if they are not synced, just tuned and free running. Dance is a way to sync to the music and asks of the musicians to be synced between them. The sync of the working hours creates the rush hours. If we differenciate the working hours to spread the peak of the rush hours, we continue synced to the earths movement, just the phases are unequal. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 11:49:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14212; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:48:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:48:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:47:12 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ee01c1b89b$ea4d2310$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com can't you just unmute after you play what you want in the loop? (instead of before) i think that's what they intended for this feature... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Om_Audio" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:34 AM Subject: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > > I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful > if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay > mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it > down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this > already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 11:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14596; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:52:56 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: its all about syncing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010001c1b89c$b731fcc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <61FcvB.A.njD.pFTc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The moon is not synced to the sun, nor to earth... doesn't the moon rotate one revolution for each orbit around the earth? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 12:10:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16611; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:09:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:09:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: A New EDP Bein' Born Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:09:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias said: http://Matthias.Grob.org I would be happy with a MIDI command for this function, instead of trying to implement it in the foot controller/front panel. I am understanding that MIDI implementation is deeper in the upgrade. I assume that the "reserved" button is getting gobbled up? Matthias also contributed some free verse on being free yet synched-- Obviously "lock stepped" is less interesting, but unsynched is chaotic (tho some may like that). The human animal tries to find order, but the machine just follows orders. There is something called "fuzzy logic" that tries to achieve what man does naturally. I am looking forward to that being integrated into the delay realm. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 12:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17147; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C71398F.4BD5@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:27:44 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bill Walker(others can delete) References: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill,could you please E-mail again,I lost your addresse? 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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1B8A4.DE4FBEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 12:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18319; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:33:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:33:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C713B1F.5627C16@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:34:23 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: subscribe References: <000e01c1b89c$7cd61b60$168e4ad4@jgognia> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by r2d2.ernieball.com id g1IHW5A16896 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA18283 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a new one on me. He actually wants IN. -Hans > Jérome Gogniat wrote: > > subscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 12:38:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18628; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:37:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:37:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRrCsQcAwKdcm5Q0Id+o0v7ZRDoWQIUZKqDgB72PIWm1IUJRShI4zXZAzQ= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:37:06 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:EDP Undo everything Message-ID: <26833-3C713BC2-1452@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Matthias Grob 's message of Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:06:07 -0300 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <2N7fMD.A.ciE.DvTc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now I'm new with Edp and looping but if you did these modifications would you be able to brothersync an old EDP with new upgraded one using the same foot controler with short/long presses. Would one foot controller work both EDP'S? Bill/Las Vegas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 12:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18489; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:35:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:35:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:35:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202181735.MAA21770@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: subscribe X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone wrote: > subscribe Now, THIS is a new variation on an old looping theme. -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 13:14:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22072; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:13:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01c1b8a7$f0a244a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> <00ee01c1b89b$ea4d2310$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:13:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Extra button presses and delay- I would have to Mute- Record- Un-Mute- instead of just Rec- Mute (then un-mute later when I want the loop again) - I would assume that even in Delay mode once I hit Overdub to capture the loop the only way to add to it would be to hit Overdub again, add, then Overdub again to re-capture the loop. I can see how adding to a loop without hearing it can be fun- but I would just use the Mix knob myself- Thanks for the suggestion. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > can't you just unmute after you play what you want in the loop? > (instead of before) > > i think that's what they intended for this feature... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Om_Audio" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:34 AM > Subject: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > > > > > > I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful > > if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay > > mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it > > down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this > > already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- > > > > Cliff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 13:18:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22331; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:17:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:17:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: DL4 modification... Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088BEE@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <01a601c1b81a$380e3440$d0168bd1@Douglas> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2002 18:16:59.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[74A4ABD0:01C1B8A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This sounds lovely, and I'm wondering if I can perform such a mod to > my Headrush. > Anyone tried this yet? Some further questions: Should be straight forward. It's just a matter of finding which connections to short and mimic the push of a specific button >>Basically, it's a small box with 4 SPST momentary stomp switches, > What brand/source? I'm in desperate need of a *roadworthy* > and *silent* stomp switch for less than $15 US. Just a standard stomp switch from the local electronics store. It's very roadworthy, but not terribly silent. For me, I wanted a strong resistance to avoid accidentally or prematurely hitting the record button. > What is a CAT5 networking jack? Would I find this in the Mouser electronics catalog, ferinstance? CAT5 networking jacks are what you'd find in an office where PC's are networked together. They look just like a phone jack, but bigger and with more connections. They're also called RJ45's vs. phone jacks which are RJ11's (or is that vice versa?). If you don't need 8 wires, but 6 or 4, then a standard phone jack scenario could accomplish the same thing. > What is "standard, cheap network cable?" Is it roadworthy? I wouldn't say it's as roadworthy as a decent instrument cable. It's designed for static installation. You can go to any home depot, lowe's, or radio shack and they'll have cat 5 cable. Check it out and make the call yourself. Additionally, the box I'm using as a stomp-box is a simple plastic enclosure from my local electronics parts store. Not very road-worthy, but I'm not out that much. Weight and cost are more of an issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 13:34:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23268; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:33:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:33:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088BEE@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088BEE@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:32:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: little OT: TC 2290 or D-Two? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, here's the question: is there someone who has/had the possibility to compare the TC 2290 and the D-Two? I need a "serious" delay unit, doesn't matter about loop facilities, MIDI clock and so on, as i have other stuff for that. Just pure delay. I think TC Electronic is the only one, so i'm not going to check out Line6 or similars. So, should i spend all that money for a 2290 or can i put my hands on a cheaper D-Two without worrying about the quality? I'd like to have some opinions by people who have an idea of both of these processors. Many thanks in advance Doei Faisal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 13:44:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23911; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:43:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:43:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c1b8ab$fbb70ac0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088BEE@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: DL4 modification... Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:42:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <5HkcYB.A.I1F.lsUc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Say, Greg, you should put together a little info on your DL-4 "remote button project" for the LD website. Especially if you can hammer together some HTML. (I'm sure Kim would appreciate that.) It sounds like many folks would really appreciate more info and some pictures. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 13:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24002; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c1b8ac$44fafe30$8628a8c0@CAMPBEBOWIN2K> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <200202181735.MAA21770@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: subscribe Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:44:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > subscribe > > Now, THIS is a new variation on an old looping theme. poor devil probably accidentally hit 'reverse' on an 'unsubscribe' loop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 14:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26905; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:05:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:05:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:54:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I finally got my EDP hooked up sending sync out to the Repeater and drum machines, and boy, have I been denying myself. That's a whole new subset of EDP use, where it is the master clock. Its neat to see the Repeater show the tempo immediately after the EDP loop is set. Also neat that the Multiply ending with Record changes the clock along with the loop length as it logically should. It would be nice if there was more control in the EDP via midi of how the EDP sends sync. Just being able to double or half incrementally the beat clocks via midi would be powerful. As I recall there was some post that something like this was planned? Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 14:22:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28132; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:21:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:21:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:23:17 +0000 Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA28101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: "Neil Goldstein" > It would be nice if there was more control in the EDP via midi of how the > EDP sends sync. Just being able to double or half incrementally the beat > clocks via midi would be powerful. As I recall there was some post that > something like this was planned? As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 14:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29019; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:30:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:31:42 +0000 Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA28952 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Från: "Neil Goldstein" > >> It would be nice if there was more control in the EDP via midi of how the >> EDP sends sync. Just being able to double or half incrementally the beat >> clocks via midi would be powerful. As I recall there was some post that >> something like this was planned? > > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? Oh.. And another thing I would like to change via midi is the InsertMode. Then you could use HalfSpeed and Reverse together without stop playing to dive at the front panel. Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 14:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30632; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:50:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:49:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2002 19:49:31.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[62311620:01C1B8B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >That's a whole new subset of EDP use, where it is the master clock. Its >neat >to see the Repeater show the tempo immediately after the EDP loop is set. Neil- One thing to be careful of in my experience: Make sure that 8th/beat is set up correctly before you make a loop in the EDP. If you have it set up to 24 8ths/beat and make a really short loop, repeater goes crazy and screws up the sync from there on. The only fix I've found is a power cycle of the repeater. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 14:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31254; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c1b8b6$7a05be80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:57:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel functions are accessable via MIDI. By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or MIDI) you can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 15:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00466; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:55:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5kwjNC.A.6G.C6Vc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > They already are with the right midi footswitch, but not in the most logical manner. I've just started getting into programming my PMC-10 for deeper use of EDP, and a the features in the paramater pages are midi addressable with multiple midi command lines, assuming you keep your EDP in a standard state and start from that position. I understood that in the Update many of these parameters will have dedicated midi cc #s...? NG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 15:13:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00876; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022f01c1b8b8$90695540$821687d9@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: (Slightly OT) CENTROZOON 'Teaser' MP3! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:12:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Lee Fletcher" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_abPUB.A.JN.nAWc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, In celebration of their imminent UK live debut, CENTROZOON are making available an exclusive audio clip taken from last December's live-in-the-studio sessions with No-Man vocalist Tim Bowness. 'Little Boy Smile' (Edit) can be downloaded directly from the following URL: http://www.centrozoon.de/audio/centrozoon_littleboysmile.mp3. Alternatively, the file is also available via Tony Kinson's No-Man site @ http://come.to/no-man. This piece is wholly improvisational in its origin, as is the bulk of material recorded. Further sessions will take place in March after the UK mini-tour... For those of who might have missed previous announcements, the live schedule is as follows: Date: Saturday 23rd February 2002 Venue: Buddle Arts Centre, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear (www.northtynesidearts.org.uk) Box Office: (0191) 2007132 Date: Tuesday 26th February 2002 Venue: Phoenix Arts Centre, Exeter, Devon (www.exeterphoenix.org.uk) Box Office: (01392) 667080 Date: Thursday 28th February 2002 Venue: The Assembly House Centre, Norwich, Norfolk (www.assemblyhousenorwich.co.uk) Box Office: (01603) 660352 / 'Burning Shed' shop @ www.burningshed.com Note: CENTROZOON share the bill with fellow 'Burning Shed' artists: Roger Eno, Tim Bowness, Peter Chilvers and Mark Beazley (of ROTHKO). Date: Friday 1st March 2002 Venue: CB2 Internet Bistro, Cambridge (www.cb1.com/cb2/) Information: (01223) 508503 / 519719 The previously announced 12" Vinyl Giveaway will also commence this week! Please check-out the News page @ www.centrozoon.de for details of how to claim... Regards, Lee Fletcher, (CENTROZOON: UK Representative) www.centrozoon.de www.burningshed.com www.din.org.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 15:18:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01158; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:16:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C716154.F500CB5C@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:17:24 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock Update 02-13-02 References: <119.c9c854c.299dbf02@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Michael, you've got the idea. This thing's going to be very informal, more of a family-style jamboree than an extravaganza. There's a dance class at the venue until 2:00 so we can't start early, but we can basically go until we either finish or pass out. Not to say that I'm going to ignore the Schedule, however. I just want everybody to be able to do their thing and have fun doing it. -Hans >lets just come earlier and stay later.....its not like this is going to happen >that many more times in my life.....i view this as more of a "learning >experience" than a "show" and to put "faces" to all your names would be a >gas!.....in the world of "looping" this is A MONSTER JAM.....i dont care >what ya do, im comin and im going to have more fun than any person should..... >:)m Just don't get busted smoking reefers in the van with Rich and Cliff, otherwise the cops will think we're having one of those rave parties :O From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 15:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01359; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:19:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:20:53 +0000 Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003c01c1b8b6$7a05be80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > > You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel > functions are accessable via MIDI. > > By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or MIDI) you > can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com Thanks for pointing this out. My apologizes to the list for taking up unnecessary band width. I must have missed this feature in the manual. This is great use for me, as using EDP as master to RPTR. I will re-read the specs to find out about this ;-D / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 15:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02489; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:34:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:34:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:40:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff asks: >I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful >if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay >mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it >down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this >already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- Yes, in Loop4, in DelayMode, the "Hold" (Overdub lit) freezes also when you go to Mute. Is that what you are saying? This is almost a bug in Loop3, but it took years until the users started to get bothered... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 15:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02733; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:35:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:35:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003a01c1b7fb$ba582e20$6c5630d5@snowmonster> References: <003a01c1b7fb$ba582e20$6c5630d5@snowmonster> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:41:47 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: edp questions (SwitchQuant/SamplerStyle) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David asked: >how do i setup the EDP so that when i press next loop the loop >starts at the beginning of the loop ??? On principle it starts where you left it. So if you use SwitchQuant=cycle or loop, you leave it at the beginning so you will return back there. Or you use SamplerStyle=Att, which is actually meant to play samples from a keyboard but does about what you want with the Next button (undocumented feature, discovered by Andy Buttler, if I remember right). In LOOP4 we have a SamplerStyle which was made for exactly what you want. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 15:46:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02629; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7164FF.498E65D0@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:33:03 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born References: <003c01c1b8b6$7a05be80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote: > > > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > > (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) > > You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel > functions are accessable via MIDI. > > By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or MIDI) you > can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. > in loop4 the new sync rate is switched at next loop start when you're back to play all params values can be accessed by sysex Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 16:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06231; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c1b8c0$3c100900$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:07:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well- if I use ODub in delay mode I capture a loop and nothing else gets added unless I press ODub again and play more sound into the delay line- so for me it seems natural to think that the state of ODub would remain the same if I press Mute or not- but in this case pressing Mute "un-presses" ODub- make sense? I hope so- but it sounds like you changed the code already- so what am I bitching about?? :) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > > Cliff asks: > >I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful > >if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay > >mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it > >down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this > >already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- > > Yes, in Loop4, in DelayMode, the "Hold" (Overdub lit) freezes also > when you go to Mute. > Is that what you are saying? > This is almost a bug in Loop3, but it took years until the users > started to get bothered... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 16:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09018; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:56:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218131505.02f16130@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:52:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request In-Reply-To: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <01c1b7da$2022f540$e677580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:34 AM 2/18/2002, Om_Audio wrote: >I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful >if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay >mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it >down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this >already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- Matthias already mentioned about the change for the Hold function during mute, but there is a reason why the input is left open in delay mode during mute. This was done at the request of many users who were used to operating traditional delays in this fashion. With the delay output muted they could freely play, and then when they have just played something they liked they could unmute the delay and have that much come back. Then they could essentially duet with themselves as the inspiration hit, or basically capture a loop *after* having played it. In other words, after playing for a while you decide you want a thing you just finished to become a loop, so you can unmute it and hold it easily instead of then having to replay it as you record it. In the regular loop mode, the input is muted during Mute, and this is a significant difference between the two. So if you don't want things to be feeding the delay during mute, you might consider using loop mode instead. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 17:43:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13199; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:42:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:42:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C718426.A6A127E2@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:45:58 -0500 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: loopers Bein' Born Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All though I do not own an EDP, I am really enjoying the discussion regarding the update. It is fascinating to hear about EDP owners thoughts and open dialogue with the designer. This open forum is the first I have witnessed regarding any feedback in relation to the end product. Congratulations to all involved in the process. This makes so much sense! I wish this kind of forum could occur with the development of the Repeater's updates. I humbly suggest that Electrix take note. It is also a great product in process. hutton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 18:19:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16396; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:18:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:18:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: DL4 modification... Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:16:38 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F4D@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <002c01c1b8ab$fbb70ac0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2002 23:17:13.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C5A860:01C1B8D2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Say, Greg, you should put together a little info on your DL-4 > "remote button project" for the LD website. I'll try and get this done this weekend. I'm lacking a digital camera, but I'll see if I can borrow a friend's. I'll also doc my first project: a CAT 5 breakout box. Breakout box: Instead of a pedal board with numerous 1/4" cables going to the rack for various stomp, expression, and other controllers, I route everthing to a single breakout box. The breakout box has 2 stereo inputs, 3 mono inputs and 1 Cat 5 jack (1 common ground + 3 mono tips + 4 stereo tip/rings = 8 wires in the CAT5). I then connect a single network cable from the box to the rack where another breakout box expands the connections. This is *not* for audio, just passive controllers which currently include: Digitech FS300 (for the Repeater) (stereo) Boss EV-5 (for my GX700 preamp) (stereo) Boss FS-5U (various functions on the GX700) (mono) Boss FV-50L (for EDP feedback) (mono) EDP FC7 controller (mono) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 18:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17743; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:34:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F4D@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F4D@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:17:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: DL4 modification... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg, thank you for your time and input on this. i, for one, was a bit suspicious of your DL4 mod, especially since you were so modest about your electrical engineering skills! :) however, this breakout box sounds very interesting, and piques my interest in your original DL4 mod, as well. please let us know what you did! pics and overbearing detail appreciated... rich > > Say, Greg, you should put together a little info on your DL-4 >> "remote button project" for the LD website. > >I'll try and get this done this weekend. I'm lacking a digital camera, >but I'll see if I can borrow a friend's. I'll also doc my first >project: a CAT 5 breakout box. > >Breakout box: Instead of a pedal board with numerous 1/4" cables going >to the rack for various stomp, expression, and other controllers, I >route everthing to a single breakout box. The breakout box has 2 stereo >inputs, 3 mono inputs and 1 Cat 5 jack (1 common ground + 3 mono tips + >4 stereo tip/rings = 8 wires in the CAT5). I then connect a single >network cable from the box to the rack where another breakout box >expands the connections. This is *not* for audio, just passive >controllers which currently include: > >Digitech FS300 (for the Repeater) (stereo) >Boss EV-5 (for my GX700 preamp) (stereo) >Boss FS-5U (various functions on the GX700) (mono) >Boss FV-50L (for EDP feedback) (mono) >EDP FC7 controller (mono) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 18:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20415; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: loopers Bein' Born Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:43:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C718426.A6A127E2@pathcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They do have a forum at their website with a wishlist section. www.electrixpro.com There is *some* feedback from the developers... Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: hutton [mailto:hutton@pathcom.com] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: loopers Bein' Born > > > All though I do not own an EDP, I am really enjoying the discussion > regarding the update. > It is fascinating to hear about EDP owners thoughts and open dialogue > with the designer. > This open forum is the first I have witnessed regarding any feedback in > relation to the end product. > Congratulations to all involved in the process. > This makes so much sense! > I wish this kind of forum could occur with the development of the > Repeater's updates. > I humbly suggest that Electrix take note. It is also a great product in > process. > > hutton > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 19:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23174; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c1b8d9$dd1d8d40$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: loopers Bein' Born Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:10:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6bQ7OD.A.gpF.yfZc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I remember correctly- people here asked for dry mute function and then got it in the first OS update- also- my experience with communicating with them has been great- Of course nothing really comes close to the great interaction here with Kim and Mattias- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: RE: loopers Bein' Born > They do have a forum at their website with a wishlist section. > www.electrixpro.com > > There is *some* feedback from the developers... > > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hutton [mailto:hutton@pathcom.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:46 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: loopers Bein' Born > > > > > > All though I do not own an EDP, I am really enjoying the discussion > > regarding the update. > > It is fascinating to hear about EDP owners thoughts and open dialogue > > with the designer. > > This open forum is the first I have witnessed regarding any feedback in > > relation to the end product. > > Congratulations to all involved in the process. > > This makes so much sense! > > I wish this kind of forum could occur with the development of the > > Repeater's updates. > > I humbly suggest that Electrix take note. It is also a great product in > > process. > > > > hutton > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 19:32:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24231; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:30:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:30:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:25:04 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: DL4 modification... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C719B60.FB44CD8B@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F4D@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If regular CAT5 wire would work for this, would 25 pair standard telephone cable work, also? This way, you would have one cable from the floor to a stand. I use all 4 of the Line6 stompbox modelers and find that when I bend over during a show, I can't see the knobs well (and it looks silly, too!) Mike in St. Louis Greg S wrote: > > Say, Greg, you should put together a little info on your DL-4 > > "remote button project" for the LD website. > > I'll try and get this done this weekend. I'm lacking a digital camera, > but I'll see if I can borrow a friend's. I'll also doc my first > project: a CAT 5 breakout box. > > Breakout box: Instead of a pedal board with numerous 1/4" cables going > to the rack for various stomp, expression, and other controllers, I > route everthing to a single breakout box. The breakout box has 2 stereo > inputs, 3 mono inputs and 1 Cat 5 jack (1 common ground + 3 mono tips + > 4 stereo tip/rings = 8 wires in the CAT5). I then connect a single > network cable from the box to the rack where another breakout box > expands the connections. This is *not* for audio, just passive > controllers which currently include: > > Digitech FS300 (for the Repeater) (stereo) > Boss EV-5 (for my GX700 preamp) (stereo) > Boss FS-5U (various functions on the GX700) (mono) > Boss FV-50L (for EDP feedback) (mono) > EDP FC7 controller (mono) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 20:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27258; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:11:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:11:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <89.13b9dee3.29a30017@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:10:47 EST Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com res0koq3@verizon.net writes: >I can see how adding to a loop without >hearing it can be fun- more than fun: a major feature, imo --- synced, or not. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 20:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27551; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:16:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:16:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C71A769.174F2BD8@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:16:25 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loopstock Press Release Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <1ttgS.A.AuG.Fdac8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, ***** On the first Saturday in March, San Luis Obispo, California will host Loopstock, a festival focusing on music made using real-time sampling and looping techniques. Loopstock will bring together "loopers" from all over the Western Hemisphere for what promises to be an historic series of performances and demonstrations dedicated to looping techniques and technology. The types of music that can be expected at Loopstock range from the rich ambient soundscapes of Tuba virtuoso Tom Heasley and the refreshingly innovative rhythmic pieces of master percussionist Rick Walker, to the beautifully melodic bass playing of Max Valentino and the hauntingly surreal guitar work of Ted Killian. In all, sixteen performers are scheduled to present their unique approaches to looping. Informal workshops will also be given, highlighting the technology that makes real-time looping possible. Loopstock will be held on Saturday, March 2nd, 2002 at World Drum and Dance Studio (formerly Higher Movement Drum and Dance Studio), which is located at 778 Francis Street, across from Questa Natural Foods Co-op off Broad St. in San Luis Obispo. This all-ages event will take place from 2:00 p.m. until midnight, and admission is free. For more information, please contact Hans Lindauer at (805) 534-1009 or visit www.armatronix.com ***** I sent this out to every print, radio, or on-line publication that I could think of who might even be remotely interested: > Looper's Delight > Harmony Central > Electronic Musician > Remix Magazine > Tape Op Magazine > Guitar Player Magazine > Bass Player Magazine > Gig Magazine > MC2 Magazine > Keyboard Magazine > Guitar Player Magazine > TalkBass.com > The Bottom Line > New Times Weekly > Ticket Weekly > SLO Telegram-Tribune > Cal Poly Mustang Daily > KCPR Cal Poly Radio FM 91.3 > KOTR K-Otter Radio FM 94.9 > KCBX Public Radio FM 90.1 > Electrix Forum Hopefully it will help generate some publicity and enthusiasm. Word-of-mouth already seems to be getting around - I got an e-mail from someone who heard about Loopstock at Bananas at Large and is really excited to come check it out. Rumor has it that another inventor of legendary looping hardware may also be present to check out the state of the art. Next comes the fun part: sponsorships. We'll see how that one works out :) Yours, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 21:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32391; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:50:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:50:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: DL4 modification... Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:48:23 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F50@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C719B60.FB44CD8B@swbell.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2002 02:48:59.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB1582B0:01C1B8EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Mike Killian [mailto:kili@swbell.net] > If regular CAT5 wire would work for this, would 25 pair > standard telephone cable work, also? I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's just a matter of shorting the right 2 connections. If you unscrew the back plate of the Line6 gear it's pretty obvious where the stomp switches are soldered to the board, then it's just a matter of identifying which 2 need to be shorted in order to activate the pedal. The expression pedal was a bit different. The solder connections are obvious, but the resistance isn't the same from the board as it is from the pedal alone. So instead I ran my pair of wire for the expression pedal out through the hole in the casing -- there's enough space -- and soldered a 90 degree 1/4 jack to them. This jack is always plugged in, so the wires will suffer only minimum wear. > From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] > thank you for your time and input on this. i, for one, was a bit > suspicious of your DL4 mod, especially since you were so modest about > your electrical engineering skills! :) And you still shouldn't trust my Electrical Engineering skills. I'm competent at installing guitar pickups -- and now momentary switches.... ;^) Although my next project involves ripping apart an old PC keyboard and mouse as the ultimate midi foot controller..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 18 23:25:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08239; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:24:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:24:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:23:49 -0800 Subject: Loopstock idea From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C716154.F500CB5C@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, I've been doing some thinking as to how so many acts could go on in such a short time period. My idea would be to have two staging areas, probably right next to each other. An "on" stage, and an "on deck" stage. That way, while act "a" was playing, act "b" could be setting up. The success of this would depend on the size and layout of the room. Acts that had their own small sound systems, could even set up tertiary mini stages in corners of the room. This way, there could be little or no dead air between acts. One acts loop could even cross fade across the venue to another acts loop. Lot's of possibilities for collaboration. I, for one, would volunteer to have a small PA (Some powered speakers and a Mackie 1202 mixer) which I've found to be fine for medium/small rooms. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 00:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13392; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:26:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:26:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fa01c1b905$84408340$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock idea Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:23:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_cQW5B.A.IRD.JIec8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like that idea, Mark. I actually proposed something to that effect a couple of days ago in response to Andre's keen assessment of the situation, but it was buried at the bottom of my (long) gig story, so I'm not surprised if you missed it. The venue is long and narrow, with the entrance in the middle of one side, so my idea was to set up either end of the room as a performance area, and then it would work exactly as you described, with somebody always playing while the next act sets up and the previous act breaks down. Acts with set-up times potentially longer than 30 minutes can start setting up three acts in advance. Instead of running my system the way I had originally intended, I'll split it in half, which will still leave plenty of power at each end of the room. A friend has volunteered to loan me his stage monitors and an amp, so there will be a nice monitoring system at each stage. Fifteen 30-minute performances with ten minutes between each one, plus a thirty-minute break at supper time, only puts us at ten minutes past 12 at the end of the night. If we run long, we won't get evicted. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marklar" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: Loopstock idea > So, I've been doing some thinking as to how so many acts could go on in such > a short time period. My idea would be to have two staging areas, probably > right next to each other. An "on" stage, and an "on deck" stage. That way, > while act "a" was playing, act "b" could be setting up. The success of this > would depend on the size and layout of the room. Acts that had their own > small sound systems, could even set up tertiary mini stages in corners of > the room. This way, there could be little or no dead air between acts. One > acts loop could even cross fade across the venue to another acts loop. > Lot's of possibilities for collaboration. I, for one, would volunteer to > have a small PA (Some powered speakers and a Mackie 1202 mixer) which I've > found to be fine for medium/small rooms. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 01:15:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16254; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:15:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:15:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:14:47 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89.13b9dee3.29a30017@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I came upon this feature on the Repeater, though I don't think it was intended to work this way by the creators. While having the effects loop open and on the loop (as opposed to before the loop) I accidentally left my Warp Factory on "source kill", which essentially mutes any output in the absence of a formant signal. Initially, I wondered, "Where the hell is my loop?" When I killed the effect loop, "woop" there is was, in all it glory. Surprise! Look what I did! Very cool. Since then, I've done that purposely, for that nice extra level of chaos. Similarly, by randomly choosing a patch from my Vortex, in conjunction with a Digitech 128, AirFX, and warp factory, I end up with a loop that's sonically related to what I played, but very different as well. This way, I can influence my loop, but not quite determine it's actual state. I call it Sottilaro's Uncertainty Principle. (hey, can I coin this term? Like Frippatronics!?) Mark Sottilaro on 2/18/02 5:10 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > res0koq3@verizon.net writes: > >> I can see how adding to a loop without >> hearing it can be fun- > more than fun: a major feature, imo --- synced, or not. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 01:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17177; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:31:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:31:25 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock idea From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01fa01c1b905$84408340$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, yeah, I did miss your post. That sounds like a great idea. This could even facilitate little or no gap between performances, allowing more breathing space over all. As much as I like an open style of Loopstock, I hate being pressured to set up super quickly (which always causes me to misconnect something) on 2/18/02 9:23 PM, Hans Lindauer at armatronix@charter.net wrote: > I like that idea, Mark. I actually proposed something to that effect a > couple of days ago in response to Andre's keen assessment of the situation, > but it was buried at the bottom of my (long) gig story, so I'm not surprised > if you missed it. > > The venue is long and narrow, with the entrance in the middle of one side, > so my idea was to set up either end of the room as a performance area, and > then it would work exactly as you described, with somebody always playing > while the next act sets up and the previous act breaks down. Acts with > set-up times potentially longer than 30 minutes can start setting up three > acts in advance. > > Instead of running my system the way I had originally intended, I'll split > it in half, which will still leave plenty of power at each end of the room. > A friend has volunteered to loan me his stage monitors and an amp, so there > will be a nice monitoring system at each stage. > > Fifteen 30-minute performances with ten minutes between each one, plus a > thirty-minute break at supper time, only puts us at ten minutes past 12 at > the end of the night. If we run long, we won't get evicted. > > -Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marklar" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:23 PM > Subject: Loopstock idea > > >> So, I've been doing some thinking as to how so many acts could go on in > such >> a short time period. My idea would be to have two staging areas, probably >> right next to each other. An "on" stage, and an "on deck" stage. That > way, >> while act "a" was playing, act "b" could be setting up. The success of > this >> would depend on the size and layout of the room. Acts that had their own >> small sound systems, could even set up tertiary mini stages in corners of >> the room. This way, there could be little or no dead air between acts. > One >> acts loop could even cross fade across the venue to another acts loop. >> Lot's of possibilities for collaboration. I, for one, would volunteer to >> have a small PA (Some powered speakers and a Mackie 1202 mixer) which I've >> found to be fine for medium/small rooms. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 02:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20516; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:32:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:32:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:37:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_fVRFB.A.HAF.k9fc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > >> > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? >> > >They already are with the right midi footswitch, but not in the most logical >manner. I've just started getting into programming my PMC-10 for deeper use >of EDP, and a the features in the paramater pages are midi addressable with >multiple midi command lines, assuming you keep your EDP in a standard state >and start from that position. ...or you program longpresses to define the standard state... possible? >I understood that in the Update many of these parameters will have dedicated >midi cc #s...? uh, no, we thought that Sysex is more efficient! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 02:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20690; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010001c1b89c$b731fcc0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <010001c1b89c$b731fcc0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:42:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: its all about syncing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-UzVd.A.KDF.2Bgc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > The moon is not synced to the sun, nor to earth... > >doesn't the moon rotate one revolution for each orbit around the earth? hmm... thats why it never shows the backside, yes, you may be right, an amazing sync! But it does not 12 travels/year arround the earth or whatever makes the chines calender so different from the european. Imagine all the months has 28 days/4 weeks and each 1. of the month the moon is full, every full moon and empty moon is on a saturday and your girlfriend is fertile the same day of the month, all life through... boring? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 02:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20740; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:37:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:37:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001d01c1b8c0$3c100900$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <000001c1b85f$759b4b00$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> <001d01c1b8c0$3c100900$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:43:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <78GzLB.A.6DF.9Cgc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well- if I use ODub in delay mode I capture a loop and nothing else gets >added unless I press ODub again and play more sound into the delay line- so >for me it seems natural to think that the state of ODub would remain the >same if I press Mute or not- but in this case pressing Mute "un-presses" >ODub- make sense? I hope so- but it sounds like you changed the code >already- so what am I bitching about?? :) Yes, I hope I did what you want. No, Mute does not un-press Overdub: If its on freeze, during Mute, the loop stays the same, if its not on freeze, during Mute we go on fading out and loading new sound, just the output is muted. Bitching? no, just wishing... thinking along... > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthias Grob" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:40 PM >Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > > >> >> Cliff asks: >> >I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful >> >if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay >> >mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it >> >down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this >> >already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- >> >> Yes, in Loop4, in DelayMode, the "Hold" (Overdub lit) freezes also >> when you go to Mute. >> Is that what you are saying? >> This is almost a bug in Loop3, but it took years until the users >> started to get bothered... >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 02:47:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21068; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:46:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26833-3C713BC2-1452@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <26833-3C713BC2-1452@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:51:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re:EDP Undo everything Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did not quite understand how the Undo thread led William to ask: >Now I'm new with Edp and looping but if you did these modifications >would you be able to brothersync an old EDP with new upgraded one using >the same foot controler with short/long presses. Would one foot >controller work both EDP'S? Bill/Las Vegas usually we transfer the commands by MIDI to operate a stereo pair of EDPs with one pedal board. Since we changed the sequence of the commands slightly, I would not recommend this between loop3 and loop4. To split a pedal board to drive two EDPs simultaneously, it takes buffering (some pretty simple electronics...) Or do you speak about using two EDPs independently, just brothered, as Mark Hamburg is talking about in "EDP Hardware" ? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 02:51:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21216; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:49:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:49:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:55:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP hardware (2 EDPs) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > good to hear. I'm think about investing in another EDP. are you >going stereo >> or serial with your EDP's? >> >> br, Pedro > >Parallel. My plan (not yet hooked up) is to Y-cable the send to the EDPs and >then bring them back on separate channels into the mixer. My plan is to only >record to one at a time. With a certain amount of mixer fiddling, that >configuration should actually allow me to send from one EDP to the other. > >I'd originally figured that if I were getting a second EDP, it would be for >stereo. Now that I've got a reasonable mixer, I'm finding that stereo loops >aren't as critical since I've got other things going on that can stereoize >the signal. > >Stereo mixboard sends are also a pain to manage in my experience. The one >effect that I am running in stereo is my DL8000R because I want to take full >advantage of crossfeed delay effects. To do that, however, I'm using one of >my submixes. I just set up for this again. I had it years ago and was not quite ripe, musically. And just like you, I thought stereo was more important, and now changed my mind. Do you use just one Pedal board, switched? I just feel like having the FB controlled for both simultaneously, sometimes, or Mute, but not Overdub... the solution may be MIDI once again... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 02:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21262; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:50:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01c1b8b6$7a05be80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <003c01c1b8b6$7a05be80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:55:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? >> (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) > >You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel >functions are accessable via MIDI. > >By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or MIDI) you >can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. Thanks to Claude, in the upgrade, this 8th/beat change only happens at the first loop end after you come back from parameter state. With this, you dont jump arround timings and keep the beat one in relation to the slaved sequencer. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 03:04:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22845; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:03:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:51:28 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9N4w0D.A.mkF.qagc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > >> (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) > > > >You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel > >functions are accessable via MIDI. > > > >By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, > or MIDI) you > >can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. > Thanks to Claude, in the upgrade, this 8th/beat change only happens > at the first loop end after you come back from parameter state. With > this, you dont jump arround timings and keep the beat one in relation > to the slaved sequencer. > >I understood that in the Update many of these parameters will > have dedicated > >midi cc #s...? > > uh, no, we thought that Sysex is more efficient! > -- Do I get this right now? To be able to change 8th/cycle, while playing, you have to use a midi pedal board that is capable of sending sysex when a pad is pressed? (not the same as "doing a sysex dump of program parameters") / Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 03:23:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23608; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:20:55 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c1b91e$5a759fa0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So are you saying both modes will be available? One which allows new input while output is muted- and another which mutes both input and output? Is this controlled by the "freeze" parameter you mentioned? Thanks- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request >Well- if I use ODub in delay mode I capture a loop and nothing else gets >added unless I press ODub again and play more sound into the delay line- so >for me it seems natural to think that the state of ODub would remain the >same if I press Mute or not- but in this case pressing Mute "un-presses" >ODub- make sense? I hope so- but it sounds like you changed the code >already- so what am I bitching about?? :) Yes, I hope I did what you want. No, Mute does not un-press Overdub: If its on freeze, during Mute, the loop stays the same, if its not on freeze, during Mute we go on fading out and loading new sound, just the output is muted. Bitching? no, just wishing... thinking along... > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthias Grob" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:40 PM >Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > > >> >> Cliff asks: >> >I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful >> >if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay >> >mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it >> >down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this >> >already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- >> >> Yes, in Loop4, in DelayMode, the "Hold" (Overdub lit) freezes also >> when you go to Mute. >> Is that what you are saying? >> This is almost a bug in Loop3, but it took years until the users >> started to get bothered... >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 03:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23762; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:24:03 -0800 Message-ID: <003201c1b91e$ca289820$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hehe- I just re-read your post- I get it- there is no "freeze" parameter- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request >Well- if I use ODub in delay mode I capture a loop and nothing else gets >added unless I press ODub again and play more sound into the delay line- so >for me it seems natural to think that the state of ODub would remain the >same if I press Mute or not- but in this case pressing Mute "un-presses" >ODub- make sense? I hope so- but it sounds like you changed the code >already- so what am I bitching about?? :) Yes, I hope I did what you want. No, Mute does not un-press Overdub: If its on freeze, during Mute, the loop stays the same, if its not on freeze, during Mute we go on fading out and loading new sound, just the output is muted. Bitching? no, just wishing... thinking along... > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthias Grob" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:40 PM >Subject: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request > > >> >> Cliff asks: >> >I see that Mute silences the Output but for me it would be really useful >> >if it also silenced the input to the loop in Delay mode- I use Delay >> >mode then Overdub to grab chunks of my playing and process/record it >> >down the chain- I wonder if I am missing something that allows this >> >already? If not- is it possibly included in the upgrade? Thanks- >> >> Yes, in Loop4, in DelayMode, the "Hold" (Overdub lit) freezes also >> when you go to Mute. >> Is that what you are saying? >> This is almost a bug in Loop3, but it took years until the users >> started to get bothered... >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 05:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30228; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:09:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:09:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020219015815.02b7a768@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:05:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:51 PM 2/18/2002, Per Boysen wrote: > > Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > >> > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > >>> (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) > >> > >>You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel > >>functions are accessable via MIDI. > >> > >>By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or > MIDI) you > >>can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. > > > Thanks to Claude, in the upgrade, this 8th/beat change only happens > > at the first loop end after you come back from parameter state. With > > this, you dont jump arround timings and keep the beat one in relation > > to the slaved sequencer. > > >>I understood that in the Update many of these parameters will have > dedicated > >>midi cc #s...? > > > > uh, no, we thought that Sysex is more efficient! > > -- > >Do I get this right now? To be able to change 8th/cycle, while playing, you >have to use a midi pedal board that is capable of sending sysex when a pad >is pressed? >(not the same as "doing a sysex dump of program parameters") one way is sysex control of individual parameters. If your pedal can't do that it's lame, get a real pedal. sysex is the most flexible approach. 2nd way is using the new presets feature with a different setting in each one, then use midi program change commands to change it on the fly. 3rd is what you have already, use midi to virtually press the front panel buttons to edit a parameter. Kind of awkward, but you can sequence the presses to go quickly. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 11:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24575; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:56:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:01:06 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP hardware (2 EDPs) From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having just gotten the second EDP, I'm still working things out. What I've done so far is get a cheap AB switch to put between the EFC-7 and the EDPs. (A note for anyone else doing this: Spend a little more money than I did and get a footswitch with LEDs to tell you which channel is active.) I suspect that there will be functions that I wish I could get to a little more quickly than the AB switch allows -- e.g., dedicated mute switches -- but I'm going to have to see how that works out. I'm also positioning my rack where I can reach it while playing. My plan had been to use separate feedback pedals for each unit, but right now I'm fighting with the fact that the new unit seems to have trouble with my EV-5s even though the old unit works perfectly with them. Mark on 2/18/02 11:55 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > I just set up for this again. I had it years ago and was not quite > ripe, musically. > And just like you, I thought stereo was more important, and now > changed my mind. > > Do you use just one Pedal board, switched? > I just feel like having the FB controlled for both simultaneously, > sometimes, or Mute, but not Overdub... the solution may be MIDI once > again... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 13:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29964; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:00:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:00:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C729545.5574@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:11:19 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: doublenecks-slightly ot References: <3C71A769.174F2BD8@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm interested in building a doubleneck Perhaps 12 string guitar and fretless 12 string guitar Perhaps 6 string bass and 12 string guitar Can anyone recommend a company for body and neck blanks?? Thanks everyone!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 13:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30551; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:15:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:15:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72960D.5AFD37FD@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:14:37 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP hardware (2 EDPs) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been trying to work this one out as well. It seems like with the proper setup, it could be possible to easily switch between mono and stereo, giving you the best of both worlds. Here's my take on it, although I don't have two working EDPs nor a MIDI pedal to try it out: Use each side of a stereo send to feed the EDPs. Return the EDPs to separate channels. For mono use, I assume the signal will be panned to the center, so it will feed each EDP equally, allowing you to use either one (or both) for looping. For stereo operation, you pan the EDPs hard-left/hard-right at the mixer. Now the part I'm not clear about: the MIDI pedal. It seems that you should be able to program different sets of patches for the three scenarios that I imagine: a. Control EDP #1 only b. Control EDP #2 only c. Control EDP #1 & #2 the same time d. Separate controls for EDP #1 & EDP &2 separately, but in the same patch Of course, you can mix and match these control modes to take an (initially) mono signal and stereo-ize it, or vice-versa. Cross-feeding of the signals is also possible. Here's a idea for patch d: I don't know how deep MIDI footcontrol goes, but maybe you could make it so that button x starts overdub on EDP #1 until you press button y, which would then stop overdub on #1 and start it on #2. When you press the first x again, #1 starts overdubbing and #2 stops. You record your loops with #1 and #2 both panned to center, pressing buttons x and y alternately, so it sounds like a mono loop. But then you slowly pan your EDPs left and right, and ping-ponged loops emerge from mono. It could be a good trick, I guess. Here's my main concern: will you get an increase in your levels if you try to record to both EDPs simultaneously and return them both to center on separate channels; or a drop in level when you try to use a stereo send to only send to one EDP and then return that EDP to center? -Hans Mark Hamburg wrote: > > Having just gotten the second EDP, I'm still working things out. > > What I've done so far is get a cheap AB switch to put between the EFC-7 and > the EDPs. (A note for anyone else doing this: Spend a little more money than > I did and get a footswitch with LEDs to tell you which channel is active.) > > I suspect that there will be functions that I wish I could get to a little > more quickly than the AB switch allows -- e.g., dedicated mute switches -- > but I'm going to have to see how that works out. I'm also positioning my > rack where I can reach it while playing. > > My plan had been to use separate feedback pedals for each unit, but right > now I'm fighting with the fact that the new unit seems to have trouble with > my EV-5s even though the old unit works perfectly with them. > > Mark > > on 2/18/02 11:55 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > > > I just set up for this again. I had it years ago and was not quite > > ripe, musically. > > And just like you, I thought stereo was more important, and now > > changed my mind. > > > > Do you use just one Pedal board, switched? > > I just feel like having the FB controlled for both simultaneously, > > sometimes, or Mute, but not Overdub... the solution may be MIDI once > > again... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 13:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31399; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:29:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <92.21913a21.29a3f342@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:28:18 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock idea To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA31353 Resent-Message-ID: <9lTxF.A.IqH.klpc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all (and especially Hans) In a message dated 2/18/02 10:31:17 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >As much as I like an open style of Loopstock, I hate being >pressured to set up super quickly (which always causes me >to misconnect something) Yes! This is a concern of mine too. Though I do try to bundle most of my cables into snakes (one for audio signals, one for power and all other connections) it still makes for a complicated setup (and double-checking is always a "must"). My worst gigging nightmares have always been technical snafus usually brought about by haste in the setup process. I guess this is as good a time as any to provide my equipment list to you Hans . . . sorry to be so late. None of it is too exotic though . . . I will only be bringing 2 guitars . . . my usual Gibson RD Artist (which is pretty much "bastardized" in terms of how much modification it has undergone) and a Danelectro baritone that functions as a "backup/alternative" axe. Both have Roland hex pickups on them. >From there the signal path divides in a number of ways that (for economy) I will not outline here. A list of the parts and pieces in the chain follows: ON THE FLOOR: - Roland GR-1 Synth - Sustainiac Model B - Prescription Electronic Experience pedal - Ernie Ball mono volume pedal - 4 (four) EV-5 controller/expression pedals - 3 Lexicon A/B dual stomp switches IN THE RACK* (or sitting on top of it): - Art SGX 2000 Express preamp/multi-effects - 2 (two) Boss RPS-10 pitch-shifter delays - Moogerfooger MF-102 ring modulator - Boss SP-303 phrase sampler - E-MU Proteus 3 World - 2 (two) Lexicon Vortexes - Rocktron G612 12-channel mini mixer - 2 (two) Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pros - Alesis Microverb III - Aphex 104 Aural Exciter - Marshall 8008 Valvestate power amp *see attached JPEG SPEAKERS: - 2 pairs (four, total) of Seymour Duncan guitar cabs - 2 (two) generic folding amp stands MISCELLANEOUS "IN HAND": - Ebow Plus (the new 2-mode grey one with the cool blue light) - Ebow (black one that replaced my old chrome one when it died) - 3 (three) Ernie Ball "Picky Picks" metal finger picks (for first, middle and ring fingers) - Jim Dunlop metal thumb pick As anyone can see, nothing I use is all that exotic or strange. Most of it is pretty "old tech" really. I'd update more of it if I had the money . . . and the time it would take to re-learn any new piece of gear well enough to be comfortable with it in public. Some things I sometimes use but will not bring to a 30-minute gig: - Lakewood M-32 acoustic guitar (a $2500.00 guitar that is much too nice to take on the road) - "Seymourized" Cünbus (a Turkish mandolin/banjo) - "Seymourized" Kalimba (African thumb piano) - Yamaha DJX Keyboard (yep, it's the one with the cheesy canned hip-hop sounds, but it can sound pretty cool when distorted, EQed or otherwise "effected") - Yamaha Bass (a "frankenstein" p-bass type I pretend to play) - 2 (two) Casio DH-100 MIDI horns (I sometimes tape them together physically and play drones on one and melodies on the other) - Akai S20 phrase sampler (my older "backup" sampler that takes 10 minutes to load anything) - StrumStick (3-stringed guitar-like instrument that looks like a boat paddle and sounds like a cross between a banjo and a mountain dulcimer) - Various mallets, metal rods, hacksaws, springs, compressed air containers (that I have been known for using/abusing guitars and other instruments with from time to time) - Beringer Blue Devil combo amp (I keep around for living-room practice). - A small collection of Chinese "lion gong" cymbals - Tiny, half size, student drum kit (upgraded with "pro" hardware . . . looks totally ridiculous but plays and samples rather well) If I brought everything it'd take up too much room on the stage (and I'd never get around to playing most of it in a mere 30 minutes anyway). I provided all of the other silly list items for the curious few. That is probably waaaaaay more info than you wanted Hans, I know. In terms of stage space I'll take up about the same amount of room as a modest drum kit. I sit on a bar stool between stacks of speakers with my rack and pedals in front of me (and slightly off to the side). For the record, I tend to prefer to be on the left-hand side of the stage (from the audience's perspective) but it doesn't really matter all that much. My drummer is definitely planning on coming now and is thinking about bringing his whole electronic kit (Handsonic, Octapad, V-Drum kit, and Repeater). If you need us to plug into the PA we can still provide right and left stereo pairs for each of us. But . . . I think we'll be plenty loud enough on our own and won't need the reinforcement. I'd just as soon not worry (or bother) about it anywho . . . [:-)> Hope this helps. Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 13:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32106; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:39:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:39:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A7C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: new mexico radio spam - - *most likely* ot Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:32:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B973.BC766D60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B973.BC766D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, i think there are some folks in the albuquerque area . . . thursday, 21 feb, at 12:06 p.m. "all dat jazz" on kunm (89.9) will be having a program featuring a lot of my music. i'm not really sure if there will be any stuff with loopage in it, it depends on what the host is going to play. if it's my composed/improv stuff, the chances are that there will be no loopage (unless he plays the "concerto" for nels cline); if it's the more improv oriented stuff, it *may* have some loopage in there. i did some phoned-in intros to some of the stuff, so you get to hear me blow some hot air, too. back to our regularly scheduled stuff . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B973.BC766D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable new mexico radio spam - - *most likely* ot

howdy,

i think there are some folks in the albuquerque area = .  . .


thursday, 21 feb, at 12:06 p.m.

"all dat jazz" on kunm (89.9) will be = having a program featuring a lot of my music.



i'm not really sure if there will be any stuff with = loopage in it, it depends on what the host is going to play. if it's my = composed/improv stuff, the chances are that there will be no loopage = (unless he plays the "concerto" for nels cline); if it's the = more improv oriented stuff, it *may* have some loopage in = there.

i did some phoned-in intros to some of the stuff, so = you get to hear me blow some hot air, too.

back to our regularly scheduled stuff . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B973.BC766D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 13:43:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32350; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:42:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:42:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: WOT: Balanced / unbalanced connections To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off Topic - Balanced / unbalanced connections Are there any issues with using a TRS (balanced) cable to connect an unbalanced out e.g. repeater, EDP (<--token looper content) to a balanced in, say, a patchbay? How about using a TRS cable to connect an unbalanced out to an unbalanced in? Thanks stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 13:53:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00732; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:52:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E65014037910FF@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT: Need a favor from an AM8000R owner Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:52:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've lost my manual. Can't find it anywhere. Looked on the web; no luck. I know some of you own this device and use it to its fullest. Any hope in getting a copy of the manual? Or even just a quick summary of the MIDI implementation? I'd love you forever, Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 13:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01143; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:58:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:58:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:58:01 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: doublenecks-slightly ot To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006401c1b977$5b062260$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C71A769.174F2BD8@ernieball.com> <3C729545.5574@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i haven't tried their neck blanks, but i like the neck on my carvin bass and they're not as expensive as warmoth and the like... ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott kungha drengsen" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: doublenecks-slightly ot > I'm interested in building a doubleneck > Perhaps 12 string guitar and fretless 12 string guitar > Perhaps 6 string bass and 12 string guitar > Can anyone recommend a company for body and neck blanks?? > > Thanks everyone!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 14:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03159; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:08:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:08:22 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006a01c1b978$cca05c00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020219015815.02b7a768@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com could you explain why sysex is more flexible and more efficient? it seems like it will be more difficult to program a pedal. won't we have to enter binary data for each switch? and aren't midi controller's designed for just this purpose? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:05 AM Subject: Re: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born > At 11:51 PM 2/18/2002, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > > > >> > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > > >>> (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) > > >> > > >>You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel > > >>functions are accessable via MIDI. > > >> > > >>By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or > > MIDI) you > > >>can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. > > > > > Thanks to Claude, in the upgrade, this 8th/beat change only happens > > > at the first loop end after you come back from parameter state. With > > > this, you dont jump arround timings and keep the beat one in relation > > > to the slaved sequencer. > > > > >>I understood that in the Update many of these parameters will have > > dedicated > > >>midi cc #s...? > > > > > > uh, no, we thought that Sysex is more efficient! > > > -- > > > >Do I get this right now? To be able to change 8th/cycle, while playing, you > >have to use a midi pedal board that is capable of sending sysex when a pad > >is pressed? > >(not the same as "doing a sysex dump of program parameters") > > one way is sysex control of individual parameters. If your pedal can't do > that it's lame, get a real pedal. sysex is the most flexible approach. > > 2nd way is using the new presets feature with a different setting in each > one, then use midi program change commands to change it on the fly. > > 3rd is what you have already, use midi to virtually press the front panel > buttons to edit a parameter. Kind of awkward, but you can sequence the > presses to go quickly. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 14:13:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03645; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:12:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:12:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72B2C7.26DCBE43@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:17:11 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new mexico radio spam - - *most likely* ot References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A7C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the heads-up stig! you can bet i will be listening... i dont know about this "phoned in interview" stuff, i think you should have come here in person! KUNM has a audio stream, so others that are interested can listen in here: http://www.kunm.org/cgi-local/kunm.pl?sec=listen&fil=listen.htm later, -jas http://dimbulb.org "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > howdy, > > i think there are some folks in the albuquerque area . . . > > thursday, 21 feb, at 12:06 p.m. > > "all dat jazz" on kunm (89.9) will be having a program featuring a lot > of my music. > > > i'm not really sure if there will be any stuff with loopage in it, it > depends on what the host is going to play. if it's my composed/improv > stuff, the chances are that there will be no loopage (unless he plays > the "concerto" for nels cline); if it's the more improv oriented > stuff, it *may* have some loopage in there. > > i did some phoned-in intros to some of the stuff, so you get to hear > me blow some hot air, too. > > back to our regularly scheduled stuff . . . > > stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 14:25:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04591; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:24:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:24:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A7D@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: new mexico radio spam - - *most likely* ot Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:23:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B97A.DFA95610" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B97A.DFA95610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the heads-up stig! you can bet i will be listening... i dont know about this "phoned in interview" stuff, i think you should have come here in person! ** sure - - i'd love to. pesky thinks like keeping my kids fed kinda cut into my wanderlust, tho'. the phoned-in stuff is little intros about the tunes, no interviews per se. KUNM has a audio stream, so others that are interested can listen in here: http://www.kunm.org/cgi-local/kunm.pl?sec=listen&fil=listen.htm ** cool! didn't know that. thanks, stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B97A.DFA95610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: new mexico radio spam - - *most likely* ot


Thanks for the heads-up stig!  you can bet i = will be listening...
 i dont know about this "phoned in = interview" stuff, i think you
 should have come here in person!

** sure - - i'd love to. pesky thinks like keeping my = kids fed kinda cut into my wanderlust, tho'.

the phoned-in stuff is little intros about the tunes, = no interviews per se.


KUNM has a audio stream, so others that are = interested can
listen in here:

    http://www.kunm.org/cgi-local/kunm.pl?sec=3Dlisten&fil= =3Dlisten.htm

** cool! didn't know that.

thanks,

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B97A.DFA95610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 14:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04996; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:30:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:30:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72A849.882F9957@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:32:25 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock idea References: <92.21913a21.29a3f342@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, It doesn't sound like I'll need a stereo send from you. However, I'll probably be able to give the house a better mix if Dr. Bob runs through the P.A. BTW, do you guys want to be known to the world as "The Ted Killian and Dr. Bob duo", or do you guys have another name? -Hans KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > My drummer is definitely planning on coming now and is thinking about > bringing > his whole electronic kit (Handsonic, Octapad, V-Drum kit, and Repeater). > If you need us to plug into the PA we can still provide right and left stereo > pairs for each of us. But . . . I think we'll be plenty loud enough on our own > and won't need the reinforcement. I'd just as soon not worry (or bother) > about > it anywho . . . [:-)> > > Hope this helps. > > Ted Killian > > www.mp3.com/TedKillian > www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 14:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05660; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72A9C1.D1C03C90@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:38:41 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: doublenecks-slightly ot References: <3C71A769.174F2BD8@ernieball.com> <3C729545.5574@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you mean ready-made bodies? For those two combinations?! That will almost certainly have to be custom-made. Or do you just want a really wide piece of wood that you can have your way with? You'll probably have better luck with the necks, but I just checked Stewart Macdonald and they don't offer either one. I'd try Warmouth - I've heard a lot of good things about them from guys here at Ernie Ball. Also, is it Moses that makes the graphite replacement necks? I think Status does, too, if you're into graphite. -Hans scott kungha drengsen wrote: > > I'm interested in building a doubleneck > Perhaps 12 string guitar and fretless 12 string guitar > Perhaps 6 string bass and 12 string guitar > Can anyone recommend a company for body and neck blanks?? > > Thanks everyone!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 14:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06157; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72BA8E.2F56E17C@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:50:23 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Re: Legendary Experimental Guitarist FRED FRITH finally plays SANTA CRUZ!!!!!! References: <006201c1b862$48fc88e0$8f61f93f@looppool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6S9g-B.A.9fB.etqc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frith played a amazing show here in Albuquerque late last fall, not only were we treated to a wonderful improv show that included lots 'o healthy DL-4 loopage, but I got a chance to fly the LD colors (black t-shirt) and it facilitated the meeting (and now working with) another LD list member! I highly recommend the work of Mr. Frith, its an absolulty "must see" event! later, -jas http://dimbulb.org "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am incredibly pleased to announce that the famous experimental and > incredibly influential guitar player, Fred Frith is going to be making an > exceedingly rare appearance in Santa Cruz, Saturday, February 23rd at the > Vets Hall. All the pertinent information is listed below. > > > New Music Works > Phil Collins, Artistic Director and Conductor > Present > Frith & Friends > Genre-defying guitar virtuoso Fred Frith explores solo and collective > improvisation > with NMW Ensemble, plus the winner of Sound Horizons Student composer > contest. > Guest Artists > Fred Frith, composer, guitarists & conductor; Rita Lilly, soprano; & NMW > Ensemble > Saturday, February 23, 2002, 8pm > Veterans Memorial Auditorium > 846 Front Street, Santa Cruz > Fred Frith Trouble with Traffic (guitar improvisation) > Hyo-shin Na Dirge > Erling Wold Close > Fred Frith Light at the End of the Tunnel (commissioned by NMW) > Fred Frith Stone, Brick, Glass, Wood, Wire (selections) > John Cage A Flower & Wonderful Widow of Eighteen Springs > PLUS- Performances of the co-winning compositions from Sound Horizons > Student Composer Contest > Dante De Silva Return of the Rat > Tiven Weinstock Nigun for the Victims of Terror > Join New Music Works as we present legendary guitar virtuoso and > composer Fred Frith in concert with NMW Ensemble. Frith has carved a > legendary niche that is as unclassifiable in genre as it is incomparable > in originality. Composer-in Residence at Mills College, Frith's career > has largely been associated with experimental rock and free jazz > categories. As guest artist with NMW, Frith will conduct two of his > works, and perform solo guitar improvisations. Also on the program is > Korean-American composer Hyo-shin Na's haunting Dirge, for violin and > piano; Erling Wold's Close, a subtly evolving sound mosaic for > woodwinds, percussion, keyboards and double bass; and three songs by > John Cage; the textless, A Flower (1950) and Wonderful Widow of Eighteen > Springs (1942), set to poetry of Joyce, accompanied by piano with closed > lid. > One Performance Only! Order Your Tickets Now! > $15 General $13 Student/Senior > Charge single tickets By Phone: Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium Box Office > 831 420 5260 > Tickets available at the door prior to the concert > NEW MUSIC WORKS 831 429 2277 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 14:55:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06905; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:54:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:54:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Brave New EDP Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:54:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <006a01c1b978$cca05c00$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys-- Check it out--the new OS is going to have PRESETS! Sysx is swell but it looks like you can store your options in slots and call them up with program changes. I call that real good news. (EDP finally using p ch!) I can't wait for this!!!! Gary -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born could you explain why sysex is more flexible and more efficient? it seems like it will be more difficult to program a pedal. won't we have to enter binary data for each switch? and aren't midi controller's designed for just this purpose? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:05 AM Subject: Re: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born > At 11:51 PM 2/18/2002, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > > > >> > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > > >>> (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) > > >> > > >>You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front panel > > >>functions are accessable via MIDI. > > >> > > >>By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or > > MIDI) you > > >>can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. > > > > > Thanks to Claude, in the upgrade, this 8th/beat change only happens > > > at the first loop end after you come back from parameter state. With > > > this, you dont jump arround timings and keep the beat one in relation > > > to the slaved sequencer. > > > > >>I understood that in the Update many of these parameters will have > > dedicated > > >>midi cc #s...? > > > > > > uh, no, we thought that Sysex is more efficient! > > > -- > > > >Do I get this right now? To be able to change 8th/cycle, while playing, you > >have to use a midi pedal board that is capable of sending sysex when a pad > >is pressed? > >(not the same as "doing a sysex dump of program parameters") > > one way is sysex control of individual parameters. If your pedal can't do > that it's lame, get a real pedal. sysex is the most flexible approach. > > 2nd way is using the new presets feature with a different setting in each > one, then use midi program change commands to change it on the fly. > > 3rd is what you have already, use midi to virtually press the front panel > buttons to edit a parameter. Kind of awkward, but you can sequence the > presses to go quickly. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 15:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09078; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Balanced / unbalanced connections Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:14:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Are there any issues with using a TRS (balanced) cable > to connect an unbalanced out e.g. repeater, EDP > (<--token looper content) to a balanced in, say, a > patchbay? Usually this is not a problem; if you do not have noise issues. However, you have to be careful with how your connectors are wired. If you use TRS (i.e., stereo) phone plugs on each end wired one-to-one with the cable, you will probably have problems. The unbalanced end, say an EDP (<--token looper content), probably will not place a signal on the ring. But the balanced end (whatever is connected to the patchbay) expects a signal on *both* the tip and ring. Result, higher noise floor, greater crosstalk, etc. So the balanced cable itself is rarely a problem. It's more how the connectors are wired. > How about using a TRS cable to connect an unbalanced > out to an unbalanced in? Even less of a problem. Some good info is at: http://homepages.enterprise.net/paul0blitz/techtip/art6.htm and in the "Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook" (ISBN: 0881889008 ). Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 15:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10239; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:29:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:29:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72B525.2E830597@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:27:17 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Brave New EDP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah Gary Always so enthousiastic :=) we're fighting the last problems.... the doc. it leans towards the end but we dont know when yet Cheers Claude Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Hey guys-- > Check it out--the new OS is going to have PRESETS! Sysx is swell but it > looks like you can store your options in slots and call them up with program > changes. I call that real good news. (EDP finally using p ch!) > I can't wait for this!!!! > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:08 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born > > could you explain why sysex is more flexible and more efficient? > it seems like it will be more difficult to program a pedal. > won't we have to enter binary data for each switch? > and aren't midi controller's designed for just this purpose? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:05 AM > Subject: Re: SV: A New EDP Bein' Born > > > At 11:51 PM 2/18/2002, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > > > > > >> > As if 8th/Cycle would be accessible via midi? > > > >>> (that's a no-brainer for my wish list ;-) > > > >> > > > >>You mean other than the current implementation? Because all front > panel > > > >>functions are accessable via MIDI. > > > >> > > > >>By adjusting the 8ths/beat (via front panel, custom footswitch, or > > > MIDI) you > > > >>can adjust the rate at which the EDP emits MIDI sync pulses. > > > > > > > Thanks to Claude, in the upgrade, this 8th/beat change only happens > > > > at the first loop end after you come back from parameter state. With > > > > this, you dont jump arround timings and keep the beat one in relation > > > > to the slaved sequencer. > > > > > > >>I understood that in the Update many of these parameters will have > > > dedicated > > > >>midi cc #s...? > > > > > > > > uh, no, we thought that Sysex is more efficient! > > > > -- > > > > > >Do I get this right now? To be able to change 8th/cycle, while playing, > you > > >have to use a midi pedal board that is capable of sending sysex when a > pad > > >is pressed? > > >(not the same as "doing a sysex dump of program parameters") > > > > one way is sysex control of individual parameters. If your pedal can't do > > that it's lame, get a real pedal. sysex is the most flexible approach. > > > > 2nd way is using the new presets feature with a different setting in each > > one, then use midi program change commands to change it on the fly. > > > > 3rd is what you have already, use midi to virtually press the front panel > > buttons to edit a parameter. Kind of awkward, but you can sequence the > > presses to go quickly. > > > > kim > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 15:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10660; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:35:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:35:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72B746.3847073A@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:36:22 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: doublenecks-slightly ot References: <3C71A769.174F2BD8@ernieball.com> <3C729545.5574@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to promote our products or anything, but I was just reminded that at NAMM, I noticed Ernie Ball's OLP Line has (or will soon have) a 6-string/12-string doubleneck available. These are cheap (inexpensive) guitars, so you could probably get a good head start with one. I wasn't able to find them online, but I know this guy.... -Hans scott kungha drengsen wrote: > > I'm interested in building a doubleneck > Perhaps 12 string guitar and fretless 12 string guitar > Perhaps 6 string bass and 12 string guitar > Can anyone recommend a company for body and neck blanks?? > > Thanks everyone!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 15:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11807; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:45:32 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: doublenecks - even more OT In-reply-to: <3C72B746.3847073A@ernieball.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3C71A769.174F2BD8@ernieball.com> <3C729545.5574@earthlink.net> <3C72B746.3847073A@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7sP_VC.A.A4C.yprc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The lead guitarist in my first "real" band in the '60s had three 6/12 double-necks. The first one was a Bartell, a brand I'd never heard of. Then he bought a Mosrite (for that Ventures sound). Finally he bought a Gibson, which is what the bass player and I had been touting all along. I was out of touch with this guy for about 30 years, but when I finally did see him he spent the whole time lying down on a soft couch - chronic back pain caused by years of wearing a double-neck guitar on stage. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 16:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15325; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:42:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:42:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:41:09 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock idea To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, In a message dated 2/19/02 11:30:20 AM, hans@ernieball.com writes: >BTW, do you guys want to be known to the world as "The Ted Killian and >Dr. Bob duo," or do you guys have another name? Hmmmm, I honestly hadn't thought of that. Gee, how about just calling us "Ted Killian with Special Guest Bob Sterling" -- that is really the true nature of what we will be presenting. Bob is a drummer with a long history of mostly Jazz performance on both coasts. He originally studied with Jack DeJohnette in NYC. The "Dr." comes from his day gig as an ER surgeon in LA. He's a fabulously talented and intense sort of guy. We don't get to play often anymore since I moved up north from SoCal. I can't speak for him, but it's always an inspiring experience playing with him -- one that doesn't happen nearly often enough. I have high hopes/expectations for the opportunity you've presented us with. We push each other out of each of our respective "comfort zones" a lot -- a scary and exciting experience. I may bring a few "prefab" loops from my CD "Flux Aeterna" on the BOSS sampler (along with some new ones) . . . but in all likelihood we'll be making it up as we go. Cheers, Ted www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 17:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18371; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:11:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:11:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [129.120.219.68] From: "adam P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:10:51 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2002 22:10:51.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AB11E90:01C1B992] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A bit if short prose... INOVATIVE! Samuel Beckett: Stirrings Still, 2 As one in his right mind when at last out again he knew not how he was not long out again when he began to wonder if he was in his right mind. For could one not in his right mind be reasonably said to wonder if he was in his right mind and bring what is more his remains of reason to bear on this perplexity in the way he must be said to do if he is to be said at all? It was therefore in the guise of a more or less reasonable being that he emerged at last he know not how into the outer world and had not been there for more than six or seven hours by the clock when he could not but begin to wonder if he was in his right mind. By the same clock whose strokes were those heard times without number in his confinement as it struck the hours and half hours and so in a sense at first a source of reassurance till finally one of alarm as being no clearer now than when in principle muffled by his four walls. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 17:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20556; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:43:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72D5E2.369278FD@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:47:43 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com adam P wrote: > A bit if short prose... INOVATIVE! > > Samuel Beckett: Stirrings Still, 2 > > As one in his right mind when at last out again he knew not how he was not > long out again when he began to wonder if he was in his right mind. For > could one not in his right mind be reasonably said to wonder if he was in > his right mind and bring what is more his remains of reason to bear on this > perplexity in the way he must be said to do if he is to be said at all? It > was therefore in the guise of a more or less reasonable being that he > emerged at last he know not how into the outer world and had not been there > for more than six or seven hours by the clock when he could not but begin to > wonder if he was in his right mind. By the same clock whose strokes were > those heard times without number in his confinement as it struck the hours > and half hours and so in a sense at first a source of reassurance till > finally one of alarm as being no clearer now than when in principle muffled > by his four walls. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ah, beckett (spoken over a waft of oban and havana cigar)... :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 18:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27126; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:50:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:50:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ca01c1b9a0$0de98c00$060d5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Balanced / unbalanced connections Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:49:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen >Off Topic - Balanced / unbalanced connections >Are there any issues with using a TRS (balanced) cable >to connect an unbalanced out e.g. repeater, EDP >(<--token looper content) to a balanced in, say, a >patchbay? Plugging a TRS plug into a TS output jack could put ground on the ring of the cable. The output doesn't care and neither does the patchbay. But the input that ultimately receives it might care if it expects a balanced signal. You might notice volume loss, treble loss, increased hum, or combinations thereof. >How about using a TRS cable to connect an unbalanced >out to an unbalanced in? My Behringer mixer is designed to do this as some outputs on some Mackies, IIRC. But not all balanced outs are designed that way. Consult your gear's manual. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 19:18:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30030; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:17:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:17:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:18:20 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Balanced / unbalanced connections References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it better to use a TS cable for these types of situations? -Hans Dennis Leas wrote: > > > Are there any issues with using a TRS (balanced) cable > > to connect an unbalanced out e.g. repeater, EDP > > (<--token looper content) to a balanced in, say, a > > patchbay? > > Usually this is not a problem; if you do not have noise issues. > > However, you have to be careful with how your connectors are wired. If you > use TRS (i.e., stereo) phone plugs on each end wired one-to-one with the > cable, you will probably have problems. The unbalanced end, say an EDP > (<--token looper content), probably will not place a signal on the ring. > But the balanced end (whatever is connected to the patchbay) expects a > signal on *both* the tip and ring. Result, higher noise floor, greater > crosstalk, etc. > > So the balanced cable itself is rarely a problem. It's more how the > connectors are wired. > > > How about using a TRS cable to connect an unbalanced > > out to an unbalanced in? > > Even less of a problem. > > Some good info is at: > http://homepages.enterprise.net/paul0blitz/techtip/art6.htm > > and in the "Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook" (ISBN: 0881889008 ). > > Hope this helps. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 19:33:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30896; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:32:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:32:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C72EF01.7C572818@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:34:09 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loops Talk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight , Paul Andreano , Daniel Seymour , Rick Walker , Max Valentino , Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , Steven Rice , Stan Card , Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro , Mark Hamburg , Richard Zvonar , Bill Walker , "io777@iname.com" , "Cliff@BienAppraisers" , Jon Wagner From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Paul Andreano Resent-Message-ID: <1NO0bD.A.VgH.15uc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Both Matthias Grob and Tom Heasley have confirmed their appearances at Loopstock! Here's the final lineup of performers, and a tentative schedule: 2:00-2:30 Set-up and socialize 2:40-3:10 Stanitarium (Stan Card) 3:20-3:50 Steven Rice 4:00-4:30 Mark Hamburg 4:40-5:10 Sleeping (Mark Sottilaro, Valerie Hilligan & Katrin Schenk) 5:20-5:50 Jon Wagner 6:00-6:30 Matthias Grob 6:30-7:00 Break 7:00-7:30 Rich Atkinson & Cliff Novey 7:40-8:10 Max Valentino 8:20-8:50 Dr. Richard Zvonar 9:00-9:30 Rick Walker's Loop.pooL 9:40-10:10 Ted Killian w/ Dr. Bob Sterling 10:20-10:50 Tom Heasley 11:00-11:30 Bill Walker 11:40-12:10 armatronix (Hans Lindauer & Daniel Seymour) I hope nobody's feelings are hurt. I've done my best to simultaneously honor requests, match the performers' sonic palettes to the sound systems, and to keep as much variety as possible between performances, while trying to give the most accomplished performers the best slots. If you feel that I've failed miserably or done anyone a grave injustice, please let's try to work it out now. I'll be willing to rearrange things a little bit for performers wishing to do duos as part of their sets, like Jon and Matthias are. In case you've missed the messages on LD, I've made the decision to scrap the idea of having everyone set up in the beginning, in favor of having two stages at opposite ends of the room; to quote Mr. Sottilaro, 'An "on" stage, and an "on deck" stage. That way, while act "a" [is] playing, act "b" [can] be setting up.' I feel that this will offer the best flow and the shortest downtime. Performers needing more than 30 minutes of setup time for wiring, troubleshooting, etc. should start their setup early. You will notice that I've scheduled ten minutes between performances. This gives us some time for discussion after each act, allows a quick sound check for who's next, and gives us a little bit of a time buffer. You will also notice that demos have disappeared from the schedule. This is due to time constraints, but you are welcome to share whatever knowledge you may in the space between sets. I have an idea that there will be plenty of gear talk between everybody at the festival, but if there's interest, we can formalize this and hold a demo session in my home studio on Sunday morning (after breakfast), since many of us will already be there anyway (and I want to see the demos myself). In case you want to call, I'm at (805)534-1009 most evenings. Yours, -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 19:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31806; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:39:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:39:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C72EF01.7C572818@ernieball.com> References: <3C72EF01.7C572818@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:21:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loops Talk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1yNrrC.A.zpH.RAvc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think hans deserves a thumbs up for his work in putting this all together. we're looking forward to being there! seeya on the 2nd. thanks again Hans! rich >Dear Loopers, > >Both Matthias Grob and Tom Heasley have confirmed their appearances at >Loopstock! Here's the final lineup of performers, and a tentative schedule: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 21:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08639; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:57:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Loop NY-23.2.02 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:00:25 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1b9c3$220fb2e0$936d580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello one and all- looks like I will be taking part in the nyc open loop event/series at Chama this Sat. 23, Feb. 2002 at 332 East 4th st. betwixt aves. C/D in Loisada, NYC.. Tom Ritchford is running the series as some of ya'll may have read in previous posts. the series on Sat will be from 1-7 p.m. not sure when i'll be doing my thing but will advise. I play guitar and loop rather aggressively sans midi in real time. I believe David Beardsley of the LD will also be doing his music. So if some of you fine folks would like to come out and hear some of my music, jot this bugger down on your cals. and i'll advise of when i'll be strummin'. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 23:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13668; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:59:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1b9c3$06d70280$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <01c1b9c3$220fb2e0$936d580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Loop NY-23.2.02 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:59:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5_tiPB.A.EED.H8xc8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > I believe David Beardsley of the LD will also be doing his music. I can now confirm now that I'll be there for sure (100% Mr. Ritchford?). Fortunately I have a band rehearsal that doesn't collide with this fest. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 19 23:59:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17077; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:58:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:58:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c1b9cc$0aa77c60$4d62f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200202200033.TAA31029@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Apology for accidentally spamming the group Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:04:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm very sorry guys, I didn't realize that my normal gig list (and local artists' political activism mail out for Santa Cruz County had accidentally added Loopers Delight onto it. Even though I'm proud to advertise Fred Frith's appearance, this was a mistake to send it to Loopers Delight. sorry, again, for wasting anyone's time. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 00:07:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18830; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:06:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:06:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C732F71.5BBA71C5@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:10:33 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loops Talk References: <3C72EF01.7C572818@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans Lindauer wrote: > Dear Loopers, > > Both Matthias Grob and Tom Heasley have confirmed their appearances at > Loopstock! Here's the final lineup of performers, and a tentative schedule: > > 2:00-2:30 Set-up and socialize > 2:40-3:10 Stanitarium (Stan Card) > 3:20-3:50 Steven Rice > 4:00-4:30 Mark Hamburg > 4:40-5:10 Sleeping (Mark Sottilaro, Valerie Hilligan & Katrin Schenk) > 5:20-5:50 Jon Wagner > 6:00-6:30 Matthias Grob > > 6:30-7:00 Break > > 7:00-7:30 Rich Atkinson & Cliff Novey > 7:40-8:10 Max Valentino > 8:20-8:50 Dr. Richard Zvonar > 9:00-9:30 Rick Walker's Loop.pooL > 9:40-10:10 Ted Killian w/ Dr. Bob Sterling > 10:20-10:50 Tom Heasley > 11:00-11:30 Bill Walker > 11:40-12:10 armatronix (Hans Lindauer & Daniel Seymour) (snip) this sounds great, everyone! sorry i'll be missing it...too early to line up for version 2? lance g. (aka stuck at work again) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 00:13:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19297; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:12:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C733138.3D414CF4@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:18:09 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Apology for accidentally spamming the group References: <200202200033.TAA31029@hemlock.violacea.com> <006001c1b9cc$0aa77c60$4d62f93f@looppool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > I'm very sorry guys, I didn't realize that my normal gig list (and local > artists' political activism mail out for Santa Cruz County had accidentally > added Loopers Delight onto it. Even though I'm proud to advertise Fred > Frith's appearance, this was a mistake to send it to Loopers Delight. > > sorry, again, for wasting anyone's time. yours, Rick Walker geez, i was hoping we'd get an apology for that one- what WERE you thinking? :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 00:17:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19550; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:16:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:16:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.22f8132c.29a48afc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:15:40 EST Subject: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com several months ago i lent my 2100 to a friend and got it back a week ago.....i didnt care to put it back in my "chain" so it sat on a shelf.....this week, one of my 3 powerstips died, i did not know this could happen, and i was running a second powerstrip off of the dead one.....needless to say, i lost about 75% of my toys and another 8.7% of my sanity......being afraid to leave my house for anything but work, i have no system to speak of.....had to loop, what can i do, im freakin!!!!.....ahhh, lets put the 2100 into my champ and play guitar into it.....goodness me, did it sound good.....i played several hours with this "simple" set-up, this made me look at the 2100 in a whole new light.....i learned more in one day than the whole time the 2100 was a part of my "BIG" system (one of many button blinking lite boxes).....the main thing i learned: you can set up a loop on the 2100 and change the new inputable sounds with the loop still playing (all within the 2100 itself).....what a bonus.....is there an easy way to push all three buttons to get all three 5 sec. loops going at once?.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 01:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22782; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:05:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:05:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020220060646.27361@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:06:45 +0900 Subject: Re: Balanced / unbalanced connections In-Reply-To: <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.1.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, There's a rather comprehensive PDF document which offers different unbal <-> bal interconnect possibilities, and how to wire the different cables accordingly. http://www.rane.com/pdf/note110.pdf Dennis Leas$B$5$s$,(B02.2.19 3:14 PM$B$K=q$-$^$7$?!'(B >> Are there any issues with using a TRS (balanced) cable >> to connect an unbalanced out e.g. repeater, EDP >> (<--token looper content) to a balanced in, say, a >> patchbay? > >Usually this is not a problem; if you do not have noise issues. > >However, you have to be careful with how your connectors are wired. If you >use TRS (i.e., stereo) phone plugs on each end wired one-to-one with the >cable, you will probably have problems. The unbalanced end, say an EDP >(<--token looper content), probably will not place a signal on the ring. >But the balanced end (whatever is connected to the patchbay) expects a >signal on *both* the tip and ring. Result, higher noise floor, greater >crosstalk, etc. > >So the balanced cable itself is rarely a problem. It's more how the >connectors are wired. > >> How about using a TRS cable to connect an unbalanced >> out to an unbalanced in? > >Even less of a problem. > >Some good info is at: >http://homepages.enterprise.net/paul0blitz/techtip/art6.htm > >and in the "Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook" (ISBN: 0881889008 ). > >Hope this helps. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > - - - - - Yoshi Matsumoto liminal@st.rim.or.jp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 01:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24411; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:45:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:45:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7346E5.56C010FE@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:50:54 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zoom 2100 References: <9f.22f8132c.29a48afc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > several months ago i lent my 2100 to a friend and got it back a week > ago.....i didnt care to put it back in my "chain" so it sat on a > shelf.....this week, one of my 3 powerstips died, i did not know this could > happen, and i was running a second powerstrip off of the dead > one.....needless to say, i lost about 75% of my toys and another 8.7% of my > sanity......being afraid to leave my house for anything but work, i have no > system to speak of.....had to loop, what can i do, im freakin!!!!.....ahhh, > lets put the 2100 into my champ and play guitar into it.....goodness me, did > it sound good.....i played several hours with this "simple" set-up, this made > me look at the 2100 in a whole new light.....i learned more in one day than > the whole time the 2100 was a part of my "BIG" system (one of many button > blinking lite boxes).....the main thing i learned: you can set up a loop on > the 2100 and change the new inputable sounds with the loop still playing (all > within the 2100 itself).....what a bonus.....is there an easy way to push all > three buttons to get all three 5 sec. loops going at once?.....:)m when you say "lost", do you mean, (ulp) deep-fried? yeeks, a question i have is how can such a thing be prevented? is it really bad form to chain together multiple power strips, which i've seen done all the time, often by myself, actually... (i must have been out sick the day they covered this in electricity 101...) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 03:00:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29683; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:59:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:58:03 EST Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > one way is sysex control of individual parameters. If your pedal can't do= > =20 > that it's lame, get a real pedal. sysex is the most flexible approach. > Anyone recommend a pedal that sends sysex?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 03:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31649; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:40:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:40:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim spake: > one way is sysex control of individual parameters. If your pedal can't do= > =20 > that it's lame, get a real pedal. sysex is the most flexible approach. Andy asked: Anyone recommend a pedal that sends sysex?? Gary opined: Gotta be the PMC-10 by Digitech--discontinued but highly prized! There is a free editor by list member Sean Echevarria called Raymond that makes this pedal incredibly flexible! (OK, gotta watch those exclamations--keep calm) There is also the Lake Butler Mitigator--also discontinued. Mine needs a battery but I'm not using it 'cause the PMC is so very cool, although Dr. Richard prefers this one to the PMC. I don't know if the Roland sends sysx--does the Behringer? Ground Control sure doesn't . . . I just sent an email to Mario Marino, who has a company called Axess Electronics (www.axess-electronics.com) that is planning a foot controller (http://www.axess-electronics.com/products.htm) but isn't even sure he's going to support note stuff--let's all bug him to death to make this thing the rightful successor to the PMC!!! (or not--but I'd probably buy one--check out those switches--makes my PMC look like the accident waiting to happen that it is . . .) But the Peavey PC1600x will do this if you trigger it from a pedal that sends program changes--that's what DT's using (and others too--Claude Voit--anybody else?)--so maybe that's the way to go . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 04:03:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01793; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 04:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 04:03:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c1b9ed$479ace80$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <9f.22f8132c.29a48afc@aol.com> Subject: Re: zoom 2100 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:02:08 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I had just one of these babies, it saved my cheese upon finding that the house I was playing in was not in possession of a single three-prong plug, making my Time Machine unusable via a severe case of Mr. 60-Hz Buzz. End result, folks who'd heard my stuff online or otherwise recorded didn't know the difference! So when a fellow LD member let his 2100 go, I started using two of them! The resultant configuration proved versatile enough to use on the entire 15-piece Club Meditation collection. The only gripes I'd have about the Zoom 2100 is (a) its nearly non-existent manual, which seems to have been written more in the interest of putting all instructions on a single piece of card stock; and (b) the little tiny writing on its front end, which is hard to read in a well-lit room, let alone one using "mood lighting." This aspect has encouraged the saving and usage of pre-sets, which I don't think support the multiple-loop config. So, if anyone out there's found a good guide to programming this good fella, let me know eh? Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 05:15 AM Subject: zoom 2100 > several months ago i lent my 2100 to a friend and got it back a week > ago.....i didnt care to put it back in my "chain" so it sat on a > shelf.....this week, one of my 3 powerstips died, i did not know this could > happen, and i was running a second powerstrip off of the dead > one.....needless to say, i lost about 75% of my toys and another 8.7% of my > sanity......being afraid to leave my house for anything but work, i have no > system to speak of.....had to loop, what can i do, im freakin!!!!.....ahhh, > lets put the 2100 into my champ and play guitar into it.....goodness me, did > it sound good.....i played several hours with this "simple" set-up, this made > me look at the 2100 in a whole new light.....i learned more in one day than > the whole time the 2100 was a part of my "BIG" system (one of many button > blinking lite boxes).....the main thing i learned: you can set up a loop on > the 2100 and change the new inputable sounds with the loop still playing (all > within the 2100 itself).....what a bonus.....is there an easy way to push all > three buttons to get all three 5 sec. loops going at once?.....:)m > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 06:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10830; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:33:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:33:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:38:27 +0100 Subject: Double neck From: Troissoeur To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7csLN.A.9oC.Hm4c8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just read some people are interested in double neck guitars. I use one at this time. It's custom made by Paul Doyle in Galway (Ireland) It's a design of mine. The bottom neck is fretless and has 10 strings. 5 pairs of double strings and is tuned in 5 th's like a cello. The upper neck is normal guitar tuning with some extra bass strings. Low D , C and B. The guitar itself is acoustic. I know it's difficult to find some already made guitars. I think the best way is to have it built by people who like to experiment. There's a picture of it at our website: www.troissoeur.com Look at the item "about Troissoeur" In fact it's true that those guitars are so heavy. I always sit down, it's Just too heavy. If someone have questions about this go ahead. My email is info@troissoeur.com Bye Pieter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 07:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13350; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:07:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:07:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01c1b650$3c686cc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <110.d5e07bb.299e3b41@aol.com> <001b01c1b650$3c686cc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:12:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4GvHKD.A.TQD.MF5c8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks Mattias- Round mode sounds cool- never have checked it out- but now I >will- well, whenever you do a ordinary Multiply, you get the rounding. RoundMode is a remote parameter that defines whether during the rounding your playing is still recorded or not, so its not about rounding on/off, just about the way the rounding happens. > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthias Grob" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:11 AM >Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) > > > Rounding = Start at button press / Stop at a multiple time >> (keep the rhythm) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 09:10:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21641; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:08:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Balanced / unbalanced connections Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:07:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is it better to use a TS cable for these types of situations? I've never had any problem using 2-conductor shielded cable where 1-conductor would do. The 2-conductor will have slightly greater inductance and capacitance (how much depends on how it's wired) but the increase is negligible. Yoshi's link: http://www.rane.com/pdf/note110.pdf gives lots of great info. Recommended! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 09:30:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22473; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:29:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:29:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:28:18 -0600 Subject: My firstest online example. From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright, I have finally posted my very first example of me and my Boomerang online. At first I wasn't going to post it here, being all bashful and new, and definitely on the tamer end of the looping field, but then I decided, eh, what the hell. Definitely not very artsy, just kind of spacey and weird, integrated into a Neil Young song. Don't point and laugh (or if you do, just don't do it online ;) http://www.feenomenal.com/dbtr.html Comments/criticism appreciated ... (Private email of course) Thanks. Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 11:05:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29835; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:04:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:09:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP-Repeater sync (EDP clock calculation) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2lVEQ.A.PRH.jj8c8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>That's a whole new subset of EDP use, where it is the master >>>>clock. Its neat >>>>to see the Repeater show the tempo immediately after the EDP loop is set. Jon Wagner brings up: >>>Neil- >>> One thing to be careful of in my experience: Make sure that >>>8th/beat is set up correctly before you make a loop in the EDP. >>>If you have it set up to 24 8ths/beat and make a really short >>>loop, repeater goes crazy and screws up the sync from there on. >>>The only fix I've found is a power cycle of the repeater. Matthias doubts: >>This sounds rather unbelievable, since the EDP does not send any >>clocks if they are too fast. The limit at 8 8th/beat is arround >>700ms, so at 24 8th/beat its arround 2 sec, not "a really short loop" > >At one point I got out the o-scope to verify this for sure, but I've >since lost my notes on it. So if I make a 700ms loop at 8 8ths/beat >is that sending a clock signal every 7.3ms (342bpm) or every 3.7ms >(684bpm)? see my calculation below, amazing how our numbers dont fit exactly... >In other words my question is does EDP send 24 clocks-per-8th, >or is it 12 clocks-per-8th (which would make is 24 clocks-per-quarter)? 12 clocks / 8th (as MIDI asks) >Or the same question rephrased, what is "too fast" in beats-per-minute? >Jon I dont want to charge the line more than 5%, which is about 1 clock / 6ms -> minimum 6*12 = 72ms/8th At 8 8th/beat, you get 96 clocks/beat -> minimum cycle time of 72*96 = 691ms I understand a beat as a quarter note, so we get 144ms/beat -> 1000/144 = 6,93 beats/sec = 416 BPM Is that too much for the repeater? The new internal Tempo generator offers up to 26...280 BPM. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 11:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32067; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:54:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:54:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:53:30 -0800 Subject: Re: doublenecks - even more OT From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey. (I think I've mentioned this before, so if you've heard this one, delete away...) Just a little aside on this one. I too used to think that my neck/shoulder pain was caused by too much weight from my guitars and bass'. I came across a book called "Healing Back Pain" by Dr. John Sarno. AMAZING. It turned out that any residual soreness goes away fairly quickly in a healthy human. We're built to take some punishment. What we're not built for is to live in a world where stress has no physical outlet. We're built to run away, from animals that are trying to eat us, and run towards things to eat. Anyway, check out the book if you have back issues. I swear it was an amazing cure for me. It's not the answer for everyone, for sure, but if you're having guitar related back issues, it could very well be based on angst. I played a gig with John Wagner a few months ago, with a show the night before. My neck and back were really acting up. We ended up playing from 8PM to 2AM. A long time to have an instrument around your neck. I woke up the next day with no pain at all. I was worried about the gig. My back was fine. I've found that lifting some weights gives your body a much needed physical outlet for stress. Hope this helps anyone, Mark Sottilaro > > I was out of touch with this guy for about 30 years, but when I > finally did see him he spent the whole time lying down on a soft > couch - chronic back pain caused by years of wearing a double-neck > guitar on stage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 12:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01445; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:11:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:11:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:54:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: repeater tempo question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loopers, is it possible to do some sort of overall tempo lock on the Repeater? for example: if i record some drum loops onto the CFC. loop 1-4 are variations of a theme and recorded at 100bpm. lets say i tap in a tempo at 80bpm live...and i want to switch from loop 1 to loop 4, then back to 1 and such. even if i've tapped in 80bpm for loop one, when i switch to loop 4, it will go up to 100bpm as originally recorded, yes? is there any way to lock in the tapped tempo and ALL loops conform to that? i know this is a global feature in the new line6 echo pro...to have all the delays lock to a tempo as you switch between them. any suggestions? best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 12:38:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02738; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Sending Sysx from a Foot Controller Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:36:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I quoted Kim from the post about sysx to Mario at Axess and asked whether his new pedal will send sysx--here's what he said in an email to me: \The ONLY footcontroller manufactured recently that allows the transmission of user defined Sysex messages is the Rocktron All Access. The All Access used to sell \for $700us (it is currently not in production). Though the All Access is a powerful \footcontroller, a lot of people find it difficult to use in a live situation because the \switches are very close together compared to other footcontrollers like the Bradshaw \RS-10 (which doesn't transmit Sysex messages). \So, I really think that if someone is designing a piece of MIDI gear and using Sysex \messages for real-time control is limiting the compatibility of their product. So, adding \a feature to our footcontroller that will only work with one piece of gear, and make the \footcontroller more difficult to use and slightly more expensive isn't going to be a priority. \Finally, the observation clearly states that; \"2nd way is using the new presets feature with a different setting in each \one, then use midi program change commands to change it on the fly." \which we've got covered, so custom Sysex messages aren't really a priority. FYI, if \Custom Sysex messages were really necessary, there are custom solutions available \that only the people really needing this would/could pay for. So it seems it costs too much to build a full featured pedal based on how many people will buy it--sound familiar? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 12:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03647; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:52:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:52:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:54:28 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, cbm@beatnik.com Message-id: <001f01c1ba37$a422db80$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know Chris Muir uses a Rocktron All Access... Chris... Does the All Access send sysex? I know it's expensive, but it's robust as well as right-sized and will fit on a rack shelf. The Peavey PC1600x is cool and probably a good choice after having checked it out a dozen times or more. (I have 2 PCM-10's). -Miko From: Gary Lehmann > Gary opined: Gotta be the PMC-10 by Digitech--discontinued but highly prized! There is a free editor by list member Sean Echevarria called Raymond that makes this pedal incredibly flexible! (OK, gotta watch those exclamations--keep calm) There is also the Lake Butler Mitigator--also discontinued. Mine needs a battery but I'm not using it 'cause the PMC is so very cool, although Dr. Richard prefers this one to the PMC. I don't know if the Roland sends sysx--does the Behringer? Ground Control sure doesn't . . . > I just sent an email to Mario Marino, who has a company called Axess Electronics (www.axess-electronics.com) that is planning a foot controller (http://www.axess-electronics.com/products.htm) but isn't even sure he's going to support note stuff--let's all bug him to death to make this thing the rightful successor to the PMC!!! (or not--but I'd probably buy one--check out those switches--makes my PMC look like the accident waiting to happen that it is . . .) But the Peavey PC1600x will do this if you trigger it from a pedal that sends program changes--that's what DT's using (and others too--Claude Voit--anybody else?)--so maybe that's the way to go . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 12:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03873; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:55:20 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Looped day today To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <20020220095521-r01010800-a775e040-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.8 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sort of off topic, but still relevant. For those of you who haven't heard, today at 8:02 PM will be a palindrome: 20:02 02/20/2002 Quite rare apparently. _______________________________________________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 13:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05750; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:09:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:09:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6AE82160E843D511B03E0008C7E6501403791109@s31xe1.systems.smu.edu> From: "Graham, Lindsay" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looped day today Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:08:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Naw. It'll happen several months this year (regardless of American/European date standard): 20:02 03/30/2002 20:02 10/01/2002 20:02 11/11/2002 20:02 12/21/2002. However, it won't happen again after this year until 21:12 01/10/2112. Lindsay Graham sonic detritus: left of eliot http://leftofeliot.iuma.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looped day today Sort of off topic, but still relevant. For those of you who haven't heard, today at 8:02 PM will be a palindrome: 20:02 02/20/2002 Quite rare apparently. _______________________________________________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 13:12:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05802; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c1ba39$ce64cfa0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <110.d5e07bb.299e3b41@aol.com> <001b01c1b650$3c686cc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:09:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah- thanks. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:12 AM Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) > >Thanks Mattias- Round mode sounds cool- never have checked it out- but now I > >will- > > well, whenever you do a ordinary Multiply, you get the rounding. > > RoundMode is a remote parameter that defines whether during the > rounding your playing is still recorded or not, so its not about > rounding on/off, just about the way the rounding happens. > > > > >Cliff > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Matthias Grob" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:11 AM > >Subject: Re: Loops looptimes timing and Questions (and loop4) > > > > > Rounding = Start at button press / Stop at a multiple time > >> (keep the rhythm) > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 13:20:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05692; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c1ba39$92730c00$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: repeater tempo question Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:08:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No it will keep the current tempo if you push play before the current loop is finished - And of course there is the "Tempo Lock" button . Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: repeater tempo question > hey loopers, > > is it possible to do some sort of overall tempo lock on the Repeater? > > for example: if i record some drum loops onto the CFC. loop 1-4 are > variations of a theme and recorded at 100bpm. > > lets say i tap in a tempo at 80bpm live...and i want to switch from > loop 1 to loop 4, then back to 1 and such. > > even if i've tapped in 80bpm for loop one, when i switch to loop 4, > it will go up to 100bpm as originally recorded, yes? > > is there any way to lock in the tapped tempo and ALL loops conform to that? > > i know this is a global feature in the new line6 echo pro...to have > all the delays lock to a tempo as you switch between them. > > any suggestions? > > best regards, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 13:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08358; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:47:34 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <001f01c1ba37$a422db80$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Message-ID: <20020220104734-r01010800-87f0fa1e-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.8 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having just purchased the Behringer FCB1010, it appears that sysex is supported, but I can't tell yet how flexible user defined sysex is. The pedal is a good deal as far as MIDI controller pedals go. On 2/20/02 at 9:54 AM, biffoz@pacbell.net (Miko Biffle) wrote: > I know Chris Muir uses a Rocktron All Access... > Dr. Richard prefers this one to the PMC. I don't know > if the Roland sends sysx--does the Behringer? Ground Control sure doesn't > .. . . > > _______________________________________________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 14:13:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10988; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:12:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <170.91f67bf.29a54eb4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:10:44 EST Subject: Re: repeater tempo question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >any suggestions? toggle the 'tempo lock'-button (a physical button, on the front panel) to 'ON', before switching loop-locations. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 14:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13036; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c1ba47$644b8600$09934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Looped day today Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:47:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA12985 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greg wrote: >Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? Groundhog's Day was 2 weeks ago! But if he could, he would chuck to the best of his abilities . . . :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 14:45:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13203; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:44:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:44:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220112228.05108008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:40:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP-Repeater sync (EDP clock calculation) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:09 AM 2/20/2002, Matthias Grob wrote: >Jon Wagner brings up: >>>>Neil- >>>> One thing to be careful of in my experience: Make sure that 8th/beat >>>> is set up correctly before you make a loop in the EDP. If you have it >>>> set up to 24 8ths/beat and make a really short loop, repeater goes >>>> crazy and screws up the sync from there on. The only fix I've found is >>>> a power cycle of the repeater. > >Matthias doubts: >>Or the same question rephrased, what is "too fast" in beats-per-minute? >>Jon > >I dont want to charge the line more than 5%, which is about 1 clock / 6ms >-> minimum 6*12 = 72ms/8th >At 8 8th/beat, you get 96 clocks/beat -> minimum cycle time of 72*96 = 691ms > >I understand a beat as a quarter note, so we get 144ms/beat >-> 1000/144 = 6,93 beats/sec = 416 BPM >Is that too much for the repeater? yes. For some reason the top tempo limit on the Repeater is 240 BPM. I guess that is because they were coming from a dance music perspective where music is never faster than that. Personally, having played a lot of jazz in the past, I've seen/played a lot of music that was as fast as 300 BPM so that aspect of the repeater seems like a minor limitation to me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 15:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14197; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:57:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c1ba48$b6396170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220112228.05108008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: EDP-Repeater sync (EDP clock calculation) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:56:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SWOT (SomeWhat Off-Topic)... Does anybody know of a software tool (perhaps freeware/shareware) that measures MIDI sync jitter? Coolness indeed if it graphs standard deviation, etc. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 15:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18230; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:29:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:29:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:27:30 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088C27@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020220104734-r01010800-87f0fa1e-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 20:28:09.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C27C0E0:01C1BA4D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does the Behringer support pedal "up" actions? That is, to control the EDP's record I use a PMC 10 where the "pedal down" action sends a CC as well as the "pedal up" -- thereby mimicking a long press to erase a loop, etc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > > Having just purchased the Behringer FCB1010, it appears that > sysex is supported, but I can't tell yet how flexible user > defined sysex is. The pedal is a good deal as far as MIDI > controller pedals go. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 15:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18843; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:34:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:34:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:34:11 -0800 From: Greg Kucharo Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088C27@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20020220123411-r01010800-201e1712-0922-010c@192.168.1.101> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.8 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From what I can tell in the manual, yes. I just got it and haven't yet set it up with my Repeater. Can anyone else confirm this actually works this way? On 2/20/02 at 12:27 PM, g716_loop@hotmail.com (Greg S) wrote: > Does the Behringer support pedal "up" actions? That is, to control the > EDP's record I use a PMC 10 where the "pedal down" action sends a CC as > well as the "pedal up" -- thereby mimicking a long press to erase a > loop, etc. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Kucharo [mailto:telecaster@mac.com] > > > > Having just purchased the Behringer FCB1010, it appears that > > sysex is supported, but I can't tell yet how flexible user > > defined sysex is. The pedal is a good deal as far as MIDI > > controller pedals go. > _______________________________________________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 15:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19334; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:40:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:40:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220114223.0515f008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:36:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sending Sysx from a Foot Controller In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The point of sysex is really for librarian editors and custom control over configuration parameters, usually from a computer but also from other midi controllers. This is a pretty normal thing for most midi controlled devices to use sysex, unless you are talking about dirt simple effects processors. Sysex allows you to have very detailed control over a device that is customized to what that device really does, as opposed to trying to force the device to fit under what MIDI thinks are control commands. That's why sysex was included in the midi spec. But sysex isn't really there for things that are performance controls, those things are all generally controllable by continuous controller and/or note messages. In the EDP these performance controls are stuff like feedback, volume, triggering loops, accessing functions like record and multiply, etc. Anything you would normally control in performance - those use the more "ordinary" midi commands. In the EDP we make some distinction between what is a performance control and what is a configuration parameter that affects the way it operates. The parameters are things you change once in a while (if ever), to alter the way the performance controls behave. In the past, the only way to do this was by pressing the parameter button to the appropriate row and then going to the button that controls the parameter you want to edit. That's kind of awkward. So what we are adding is Presets of parameter settings, so with a program change you can switch to a different setup. We also offer sysex for deeper control. The sysex does act in real-time though, so you can effectively use this to change parameter settings on the fly if you want. The real question you should be asking this guy first is whether his pedal supports midi commands like note on/off (preferably with velocity control), startsong, stopsong, continue, as well as features like midi merging. A LOT of people are integrating samplers and synths and sequencers and loopers into their music these days, and there is a huge glaring lack of decent foot-operated midi controllers to support things with more sophisticated midi control interfaces. The world just doesn't need any more dumb midi footpedals that only send program change and 2 continuous controllers. If that's all a pedal can do, its not good enough anymore. This is why pmc-10's and midigators hold their value well and are hard to find used. People want them and that's all there is!! If he doesn't see that, he's missing a big market opportunity in my opinion. I was completely floored that the new DMC ground control "pro" pedal STILL doesn't support the majority of the midi spec! How is that pro? Cost? come on. if you've already gotten something designed to the point where you can program it to send out midi commands, you can send out any midi command. It's just a different byte. I don't see any reason why a midi controller can't support the full midi 1.0 spec. I mean it's been with us for 20 years now! Two decades worth of electronic music products that in some way or another use all of the commands available in midi. Why is it so hard to get a decent foot controller to actually operate these? kim At 09:36 AM 2/20/2002, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I quoted Kim from the post about sysx to Mario at Axess and asked whether >his new pedal will send sysx--here's what he said in an email to me: > >\The ONLY footcontroller manufactured recently that allows the transmission >of user >defined Sysex messages is the Rocktron All Access. The All Access used to >sell >\for $700us (it is currently not in production). Though the All Access is a >powerful >\footcontroller, a lot of people find it difficult to use in a live >situation because the >\switches are very close together compared to other footcontrollers like the >Bradshaw >\RS-10 (which doesn't transmit Sysex messages). > >\So, I really think that if someone is designing a piece of MIDI gear and >using Sysex >\messages for real-time control is limiting the compatibility of their >product. So, adding >\a feature to our footcontroller that will only work with one piece of gear, >and make the >\footcontroller more difficult to use and slightly more expensive isn't >going to be a priority. > >\Finally, the observation clearly states that; > >\"2nd way is using the new presets feature with a different setting in each >\one, then use midi program change commands to change it on the fly." > >\which we've got covered, so custom Sysex messages aren't really a priority. >FYI, if >\Custom Sysex messages were really necessary, there are custom solutions >available >\that only the people really needing this would/could pay for. > >So it seems it costs too much to build a full featured pedal based on how >many people will buy it--sound familiar? >Gary ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 15:45:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19551; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:44:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:33:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C04088C27@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Specifically what do you program in the PMC10 'pedal up' action to make it mimic the long press? Inquiring minds want... > Does the Behringer support pedal "up" actions? That is, to control the > EDP's record I use a PMC 10 where the "pedal down" action sends a CC as > well as the "pedal up" -- thereby mimicking a long press to erase a > loop, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 15:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20038; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:47:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:47:14 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009501c1ba4f$c74adf00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001f01c1ba37$a422db80$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have an all access and it can send sysex. i haven't used this feature so i don't remember exactly, but i think it can only be used when calling up presets and not when using switches to send cc messages this will cause me some grief i think. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miko Biffle" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... > I know Chris Muir uses a Rocktron All Access... > > Chris... Does the All Access send sysex? I know it's expensive, but it's > robust as well as right-sized and will fit on a rack shelf. The Peavey > PC1600x is cool and probably a good choice after having checked it out a > dozen times or more. (I have 2 PCM-10's). > > -Miko > > From: Gary Lehmann > > Gary opined: Gotta be the PMC-10 by Digitech--discontinued but highly > prized! There is a free editor by list member Sean Echevarria called > Raymond that makes this pedal incredibly flexible! (OK, gotta watch those > exclamations--keep calm) There is also the Lake Butler Mitigator--also > discontinued. Mine needs a battery but I'm not using it 'cause the PMC is > so very cool, although Dr. Richard prefers this one to the PMC. I don't know > if the Roland sends sysx--does the Behringer? Ground Control sure doesn't > . . . > > > I just sent an email to Mario Marino, who has a company called Axess > Electronics (www.axess-electronics.com) that is planning a foot controller > (http://www.axess-electronics.com/products.htm) but isn't even sure he's > going to support note stuff--let's all bug him to death to make this thing > the rightful successor to the PMC!!! (or not--but I'd probably buy > one--check out those switches--makes my PMC look like the accident waiting > to happen that it is . . .) But the Peavey PC1600x will do this if you > trigger it from a pedal that sends program changes--that's what DT's using > (and others too--Claude Voit--anybody else?)--so maybe that's the way to go > . . . Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 16:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22304; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.173.250.144] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: repeater tempo question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:47:43 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 21:02:37.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECE480C0:01C1BA51] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, the Repeater can certainly do this just by pressing the 'tempo lock' button which is probably midi assignable too. Buy one. They rock!!! Ritchie ps. check the main input pot for scratchiness though. I think there was a QC issue with this as mine has this problem. Nothing major but still..... ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:24 AM Subject: repeater tempo question > hey loopers, > > is it possible to do some sort of overall tempo lock on the Repeater? > > for example: if i record some drum loops onto the CFC. loop 1-4 are > variations of a theme and recorded at 100bpm. > > lets say i tap in a tempo at 80bpm live...and i want to switch from > loop 1 to loop 4, then back to 1 and such. > > even if i've tapped in 80bpm for loop one, when i switch to loop 4, > it will go up to 100bpm as originally recorded, yes? > > is there any way to lock in the tapped tempo and ALL loops conform to that? > > i know this is a global feature in the new line6 echo pro...to have > all the delays lock to a tempo as you switch between them. > > any suggestions? > > best regards, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 16:13:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22794; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:12:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:12:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: PMC10 "Long press" - and a EDP and Repeater example. Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:10:59 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F58@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 21:11:39.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FFA4FB0:01C1BA53] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Specifically what do you program in the PMC10 'pedal up' > action to make it mimic the long press? String A contains: CC 38, value 64 String B contains: CC 38, value 0 Pedal configured as: Momentary (String A is sent on the pedal down, string B on the pedaul up actions) I also use this with the Repeater when selecting loops. The pedal down selects the loop, but -- unlike the EDP unfortunately -- cannot immediately start playing that loop until it's finished loading in memory, which takes 1/2 a second or so. So, I select the loop on the pedal down (String A), hold it until the Repeater has loaded the loop (indicated by a few dots under the loop number) then I release the pedal sending String B - a "play" command. If anyone can figure out a way to do this without 2 actions, let me know. Not sure why the Repeater can't buffer the midi commands until it's ready to consume them... For those inquiring minds with a Repeater and PMC10: select and play loop 2 String A: prog change 49 (select loop '2 from memory) String B: CC 85, value 127 (play -- could also do record) Pedal type: Momentary E.g. You're in loop 1, you press the pedal until loop '2 is loaded (dots appear on the screen), you release the pedal, and as soon as loop 1 is done, loop '2 will start. This is functionally identical to moving between 2 loops on the EDP with Quantize on (i.e. finish the current loop before jumping to the next). I'm not sure if the Repeater can jump to loop 'x' in the middle of playing loop 'y' which the EDP can do just fine if you want it to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 16:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24363; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:35:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:35:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F58@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F58@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:17:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: PMC10 "Long press" - and a EDP and Repeater example. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone suggested i buy a repeater! well, too late, i already did. my dumb questions regarding tempo lock were due to that i'm still learning the darn thing, and that it's currently not in my studio. so, apologies for the stupid inquiries... but this...this i have had some experience with: >I'm not sure if the Repeater can jump >to loop 'x' in the middle of playing loop 'y' which the EDP can do just >fine if you want it to. using the rptr with the behringer pedal. i have one pedal for loop select up and another for loop select down. if you select the next loop, and hit play, it will wait until the current loop is finished. if you select the next loop, hit play, then play again before the current loop is finished, yes, it will jump directly to it upon the second press. now...how do you lock that tempo thing, again? some sort of button? duh? you mean there's a button called 'tempo lock'? jeepers! :) best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 16:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25572; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:54:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:46:03 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Sending Sysx from a Foot Controller In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220114223.0515f008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220114223.0515f008@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8ObrKD.A.9OG.PsBd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:36 PM -0800 2/20/02, Kim Flint wrote: >The point of sysex is really for librarian editors and custom >control over configuration parameters, usually from a computer but >also from other midi controllers. This is a pretty normal thing for >most midi controlled devices to use sysex, unless you are talking >about dirt simple effects processors. Sysex allows you to have very >detailed control over a device that is customized to what that >device really does, as opposed to trying to force the device to fit >under what MIDI thinks are control commands. That's why sysex was >included in the midi spec. But sysex isn't really there for things >that are performance controls, those things are all generally >controllable by continuous controller and/or note messages. This is a good point in general terms, but it should be added that not everyone agrees on what constitutes a "performance control," and that applies especially to the designers of some equipment. I've been repeatedly frustrated by what a manufacturer considers "musically useful" and have on many occasions had to resort to sysex in order to do the sorts of things in performance that were musically useful to me. In some cases the sysex has been designed so that even though you can tweak a parameter in real time, the result is glitchy (cf. the Eventide H3000, where there can three ways to change a parameter, but the sysex method glitches). Other designs are friendlier and allow uniformly useful parameter tweaks (cf. Yamaha TX816, E-mu Proteus, Roland SDE-330). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 17:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27092; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:00:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:00:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: PMC10 "Long press" - and a EDP and Repeater example. Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:48:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F58@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info! > > > Specifically what do you program in the PMC10 'pedal up' > > action to make it mimic the long press? > String A contains: CC 38, value 64 > String B contains: CC 38, value 0 > Pedal configured as: Momentary (String A is sent on the pedal down, > string B on the pedaul up actions) How is that this mimics a long press? I can't seem to wrap my mind around it. Does it demand a minimal time for holding the pedal down? If not, couldn't you have those 2 lines in String A and have String B do something else? > I also use this with the Repeater when selecting loops. The pedal down > selects the loop, but -- unlike the EDP unfortunately -- cannot > immediately start playing that loop until it's finished loading in > memory, which takes 1/2 a second or so. So, I select the loop on the > pedal down (String A), hold it until the Repeater has loaded the loop > (indicated by a few dots under the loop number) then I release the pedal > sending String B - a "play" command. If anyone can figure out a way to > do this without 2 actions, let me know. Not sure why the Repeater can't > buffer the midi commands until it's ready to consume them... Not an answer but FWIW: If you have Repeater in Midi mode and slaved it will play as soon as you switch loops. I have one set of pedals that changes the loops in the EDP and Repeater simultaneously (eg choose Loop n EDP and Loop n RPTR, etc), with EDP as master clock. I hardly notice the 1/2 second, not sure its there in this situation. Thats one of the coolest things I've found using these together. The RPTR will change tempo and start with EDP new loops and Loop number changes. But I haven't found a way to enter a Repeater new loop and start recording with one pedal action, as you say. > For those inquiring minds with a Repeater and PMC10: select and play > loop 2 > String A: prog change 49 (select loop '2 from memory) > String B: CC 85, value 127 (play -- could also do record) > Pedal type: Momentary > > E.g. You're in loop 1, you press the pedal until loop '2 is loaded (dots > appear on the screen), you release the pedal, and as soon as loop 1 is > done, loop '2 will start. This is functionally identical to moving > between 2 loops on the EDP with Quantize on (i.e. finish the current > loop before jumping to the next). I'm not sure if the Repeater can jump > to loop 'x' in the middle of playing loop 'y' which the EDP can do just > fine if you want it to. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 17:08:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27595; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C741EA7.A43699E1@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:09:43 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220114223.0515f008@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr. Z, In the past, you've been involved in discussions on Looper's Delight regarding audio with more than two channels. If I were to set up the sound system to allow for four-channel sound at Loopstock, would you make use of it? Thanks, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 17:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29805; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:52:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:52:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:51:59 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Fwd: LOOP-NY, new visions loop instruments, && Steve Sandberg performing X-Sender-Ip: 216.194.21.166 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopas- >A really good MIDI looper could do so much. After all, the data rates are a >lot smaller than the rates for audio. Some of the things I would like in a >good MIDI looper include: >* Options like on the Echoplex for multiply, replace, and insert. >* I'd like to be able to do note erasing. >* I'd like to be able to have multiple tracks and mute/erase tracks >essentially as the equivalent to passes through the loop. >* I'd like to be able to record phrases live and then fly them in on >demand. >Sort of a: "Hey, I liked that addition to the loop but I don't want to play >it every time. Give me a way to trigger it when I do want it." >An audio looper provides an expensive way to do some but not all of this. >I've used my MC-505 with some success to try playing with having multiple >tracks but it's non-ideal. So, far I've resisted having my computer running >in my music "studio" because amongst other things I don't want to mess with >a keyboard or mouse while playing. If it were the only way to get a really >good MIDI looper, I might reconsider. i think you are onto something. MIDI (control source data) is a lot more malleable than audio data. a looper that did both audio & midi would be very fun. 1) I am working on a portable blackbox audio/midi loop instrument that could be ported between MAC-PC-LINUX. ideally a small linux box, which would get rid of the 'computer' vibe for all of you who resist the added gunkiness of keyboard-mouse. couple to a footcontroller bank and you have powwa. (or a fun toy at least) analogy: If EDP is 'row-row-row-your-boat', this would be 'toccata & fugue'.. building on the idea of live sample and retriggering, and live modular structure building.. build up a phrase, which itself becomes a note for triggering. modulations to the core phrases also modulate phrases built from those phrases.. all spontaneous. 2) im very interested in building community around trance inducing music. ie not the style 'trance', but the way in which the musician enters the trance and opens the doorway for music to flow. and to create tools that help the musician unfold music from that trance state. it is a merging of the proverbial two hats: 'engineer' & 'improviser'. im gonna be in NYC for the open-looping fest at Chama on saturday. anyone who wants to talk about their process for creating music, and how the tools could evolve to better suit their visions, i would love to talk to y'all about that. then i could incorporate your ideas into these designs. 2 identify (indemnify) me: i'll be wearing my bluegray sheepwool hat, and a little red button that says 'repeal inhibition'. 3) my friend steve sandberg is performing at meowmix on sunday. he is a great improviser, channeler, and songwriter, and incorporates two EDPs in his set, along with two funky vl70 wind synths, his voice, bells, etc... he'll be performing alongside dragqueen yolanda and others.. Here it is: Yolandaworld Presents: Meow Men@Meow Mix Fresh, Cunning, and Possibly Catty Music Night. Yolanda and the Plastic Family Steve Sandberg Mr. Vivo Sun. Feb 24, 8-midnight $5 Meow Mix MEOW MIX is located at 269 E. Houston Street @Suffolk (between Aves. A-B) in Manhattan's East Village, New York City. Subway: train to 2nd Ave. www.meowmixchix.com YOLANDA -Radical Faerie, Drag Queen, Singer Songwriter organizes a unique night of exciting new music at Meow Mix ! 8pm: Mr. Vivo: 'Mr. Vivo showcases music which combines Pedro Giraudo's loves of jazz, tango, and Argentine folk music. These compositions fill the ears with color, alternately intimate and exuberant, harmonically and rhythmically rich, yet completely accessible. In addition, it highlights the improvising talents of the young band of musicians that make up Mr. Vivo.' 9pm: Steve Sandberg: Steve Sandberg -- looping-electronica-raga-shamanistic music. Steve overdubs live vocals, wind synthesizer and spoken word in a style influenced by Indian raga, trance textures and house music.. His performances are a shamanistic journey combining improvised instrumental pieces and original songs about spirituality and sexuality. Steve has toured with David Byrne, Bebel Gilberto and Ruben Blades. His shows have been described as "music from a country I've never been to but always wanted to go." 10pm: Yolanda and the Plastic Family- drag queen jazz spiced soul pop : "...an artist with considerably broad appeal...most intriguing performer since RuPaul...a sincere drag queen with a rich baritone voice."- Larry Flick , Billboard "Scintillating, intriguing, provocative... Yolanda is all of these. Yolanda is a drag queen with a special talent for singing and songwriting. Through his lyrics and music he shows to be a proud, loving, sensual, sensitive man. Songs with real moxy are sprinkled with ballads that highlight his beautiful voice." - Carol Tamburo Big Heavy World, Burlington, VT more info: www.yolanda.net yolanda@yolanda.net 212-981-9373 ** oh, and im still on the hunt for contract work. here is the portfolio again: http://www.geocities.com/jipekau lots o' love -yon Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 18:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31426; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:00:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:00:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:07:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: My firstest online example. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Alright, I have finally posted my very first example of me and my >Boomerang online. At first I wasn't going to post it here, being all >bashful and new, and definitely on the tamer end of the looping field, but >then I decided, eh, what the hell. > > Definitely not very artsy, just kind of spacey and weird, integrated >into a Neil Young song. Don't point and laugh (or if you do, just don't do >it online ;) > > http://www.feenomenal.com/dbtr.html > > Comments/criticism appreciated ... (Private email of course) > Hey, nice stuff! It's cool to see looping integrated so cleanly into a song format (and I think Neil might even approve, though the boomerang is digital :-). Are you getting the "filter sweep" sound by tweaking the EQ on your guitar? Cool effect! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 18:04:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31636; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:03:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: PMC10 "Long press" - and a EDP and Repeater example. Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:01:20 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C062A389B@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PMC10 "Long press" - and a EDP and Repeater example. Thread-Index: AcG6Whsiu0uNnzc7QjSgUarqFbuUeQABw3ig From: "Greg Sundberg" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 23:01:20.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[82A4E310:01C1BA62] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA31586 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] > > String A contains: CC 38, value 64 > > String B contains: CC 38, value 0 > > Pedal configured as: Momentary (String A is sent on the pedal down, > > string B on the pedaul up actions) > How is that this mimics a long press? You press the pedal, hold it for as long as you like, then release it. It's identical to using the EDP foot controller where a long press (i.e. 1 or 2 secs.) of the Record button will actually erase the loop. Think: playing a keyboard -- one MIDI string is sent when a key is pressed (Note on), and one when the key is released (Note off, or Note on w/ 0 velocity, etc.). In fact, given this, the PMC10 can be an input device for a synth module -- just not touch sensitive. > Not an answer but FWIW: If you have Repeater in Midi mode and > slaved it will play as soon as you switch loops. Thanks! I haven't started slaving my Repeater from my EDP yet. Typically I use one or the other. Configuring my PMC10 for both turns into a more of a tap dance of pedals and my mind focuses more on "Pedal A in bank 'x' does what again?" and less on playing the music. But that's a personal problem.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 18:04:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31635; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:03:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Raül Bonell" Subject: OT: cdbaby,cdstreet, ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: taptalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:02:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi fellows are there similar on-line stores europe based ? any experience with this kind of business ? cheers, raül ---------------------------------- Correo enviado desde http://ozu.es No dejes tus ahorros en cualquier sitio: http://ingdirect.ozu.es ---------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 18:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32428; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:14:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:14:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: EDP: Visual Feedback feedback Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:13:17 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F5B@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Low X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 23:13:55.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[44DC0390:01C1BA64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... Or "how can I tell what feedback setting my EDP is at when using a volume pedal?" Yes, the first answer is "Get used to your volume pedal". But for those of us that grew up driving in Detroit, your foot is permanantly programmed to press all the way, or not at all, and developing a finer sense of control without a visual queue is difficult. (whaaa... whine...) So Kim/Matthias, how difficult would it be, one day, to have the EDP display the feedback setting on the front panel while it's being adjusted -- and then return to normal display when it's not? Display could read the midi setting (0 - 127) or a simple percentage. Actually this goes for the Repeater too, but I'm pretty sure they've stopped paying attention to the list for the most part. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 18:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32425; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:14:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:14:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:08:09 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? In-reply-to: <3C741EA7.A43699E1@ernieball.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220114223.0515f008@loopers-delight.com> <3C741EA7.A43699E1@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5dSZ4C.A.85H.M3Cd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:09 PM -0800 2/20/02, Hans Lindauer wrote: >Dr. Z, > >In the past, you've been involved in discussions on Looper's Delight regarding >audio with more than two channels. If I were to set up the sound system to >allow for four-channel sound at Loopstock, would you make use of it? If it's available I'll use it, and I could even assist others who might want to use it. However, don't go to the trouble only on my account. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 19:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04421; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:05:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:05:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:04:03 -0800 Subject: Re: My firstest online example. From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Alright, I have finally posted my very first example of me and my >> Boomerang online. At first I wasn't going to post it here, being all >> bashful and new, and definitely on the tamer end of the looping field, but >> then I decided, eh, what the hell. >> >> Definitely not very artsy, just kind of spacey and weird, integrated >> into a Neil Young song. Don't point and laugh (or if you do, just don't do >> it online ;) >> >> http://www.feenomenal.com/dbtr.html >> >> Comments/criticism appreciated ... (Private email of course) >> > Hey, nice stuff! It's cool to see looping integrated so cleanly into > a song format (and I think Neil might even approve, though the > boomerang is digital :-). Are you getting the "filter sweep" sound by > tweaking the EQ on your guitar? Cool effect! i concur-to boldly go where few men dare:in front of a crowd w/ nothin but a smile,a guitar,a boomer and a whole lotta cajones. goodonya my man. and n.young wouldnt mind digital-he releases cds doesnt he ;-) s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 19:34:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05593; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:41:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: My firstest online example. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >i concur-to boldly go where few men dare:in front of a crowd w/ nothin but a >smile,a guitar,a boomer and a whole lotta cajones. goodonya my man. >and n.young wouldnt mind digital-he releases cds doesnt he ;-) >s Actually, I'd heard that Neil pulled ALL of his product from the market to be rereleased on DVD audio. He's complained about the fidelity of CD's for years. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 19:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05979; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:39:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14b.941302c.29a59ba6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:39:02 EST Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14b.941302c.29a59ba6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <0AFFnD.A.4cB.JHEd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14b.941302c.29a59ba6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/02 5:08:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes: > If I were to set up the sound system to > allow for four-channel sound at Loopstock, would you make use of it? > why dont we get in the guinness (sp) book of records for the most loops going on at one time or something like that.....i originally thought that it would be neat to have everyone set up at the same time and see what this would sound like but thats just not natural!.....by the by, i will be in la next thursday, staying with an old school chum, he has folks also in from washington so i do not think he will be interested in loops galore.....ergo, i may need a ride from la and back to la for a sunday flight back to pgh.....first ten callers get a copy of ron poepils "music for chopping".....if anyone can give me a lift please contact me ol.....:)m --part1_14b.941302c.29a59ba6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/02 5:08:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:


If I were to set up the sound system to
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why dont we get in the guinness (sp) book of records for the most loops going on at one time or something like that.....i originally thought that it would be neat to have everyone set up at the same time and see what this would sound like but thats just not natural!.....by the by, i will be in la next thursday, staying with an old school chum, he has folks also in from washington so i do not think he will be interested in loops galore.....ergo, i may need a ride from la and back to la for a sunday flight  back to pgh.....first ten callers get a copy of ron poepils "music for chopping".....if anyone can give me a lift please contact me ol.....:)m --part1_14b.941302c.29a59ba6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 20:39:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10003; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c1ba78$717947a0$fc61f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200202202156.QAA25685@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: PALINDROMIC DAY Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:38:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I use the moniker, Loop.pooL, I'm particularly interested in this looped time phenomena today: At 8:02 p.m., it will be 20:02 20/02/2002 >From what I've read, this large of a palindromic time event will NEVER occur again mathematically (of course, I'm sure Richard Zvonar will figure it out if the mathematicians are wrong ;-). In honor of this, I will compose a piece of loop based music this evening (beginning at 8:02 PST) that will use a palindromic rhythm (like Cascara, the Cuban rhythm that is at the heart of Rumba which, represented graphically looks like this: X*XX*X*XX*X*XX*X where X = 16th notes * = 16th rests When the short piece is finished, I will copy it, reverse the copy and append it to the original piece so that the entire piece will be a virtual loop based palindrome. If it doesn't suck, I'll put it on my 2nd Loop.pooL CD which should be released by the late summer of this year (I have a live CD which I was hoping to be finished by the LoopStock Festival coming up but my main computer C drive crashed and I am having a hell of a hard time installing WIN 98 on it (It's a Dell and used WIN ME, the worst operating system for music possible.......thank you Bill Gates :-( Wish me luck, yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 21:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13011; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:18:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:18:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C745830.EA78F90A@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:15:12 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: cdbaby,cdstreet, ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Both cdbaby and cdstreet are great -- excellent service, prompt and accurate accounting/payment to artists. They're both run by people who are genuinely interested in independent music, and go out of their way to facilitate opportunities for indie musicians. cdstreet gives a higher cut to the artist, but cdbaby has a much higher profile and seems to generate more business (they recently passed the $1,000,000 mark for money paid out to artists over the last few years). I use them both. Don't know much about anything European... Rusty Robot is the only one that comes to mind (and they're well worth looking into.) Avoid The Orchard at all costs, though! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com "Raül Bonell" wrote: > > hi fellows > > are there similar on-line stores > europe based ? > any experience with this kind > of business ? > > cheers, > raül > > ---------------------------------- > Correo enviado desde http://ozu.es > No dejes tus ahorros en cualquier sitio: > http://ingdirect.ozu.es > ---------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 21:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13342; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:21:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C74591A.9C88ED5A@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:19:06 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: cdbaby,cdstreet, ... References: <3C745830.EA78F90A@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <55synC.A.GQD.mmFd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > cdstreet gives a higher cut to the artist, but cdbaby has a much higher > profile and seems to generate more business You know, I should rephrase that. cdbaby takes $4 per CD sold, cdstreet takes 15% of the price you sell it for. So it could even out, depending on how much you sell the album for... OK, --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 21:39:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14292; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:38:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:38:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:37:46 EST Subject: any pros or cons on this powerstrip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would this be ok to use for my boxes and would it be ok to turn everything on with just one flip of a switch, 16 outlets would just about cover everything i got.....its pretty sad that i dont know this sort of stuff.....thanks for yer help.....:)m Click here: TheNerds.net --part1_12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would this be ok to use for my boxes and would it be ok to turn everything on with just one flip of a switch, 16 outlets would just about cover everything i got.....its pretty sad that i dont know this sort of stuff.....thanks for yer help.....:)m Click here: TheNerds.net --part1_12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 21:47:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14841; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:46:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:46:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c1ba81$626db8f0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a@aol.com> Subject: Re: any pros or cons on this powerstrip Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:42:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01C1BA3E.53B64F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C1BA3E.53B64F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope that would work - I'm using one with my precious gear. I'm = running it into a Furman, however. And that into another Furman. And = that into another.... -Hans ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: any pros or cons on this powerstrip would this be ok to use for my boxes and would it be ok to turn = everything on with just one flip of a switch, 16 outlets would just = about cover everything i got.....its pretty sad that i dont know this = sort of stuff.....thanks for yer help.....:)m Click here: TheNerds.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C1BA3E.53B64F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope that would work - I'm using one with my = precious=20 gear.  I'm running it into a Furman, = however.  And=20 that into another Furman.  And that into another....
 
-Hans
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, = 2002 6:37=20 PM
Subject: any pros or cons on = this=20 powerstrip

would this = be ok to use=20 for my boxes and would it be ok to turn everything on with just one = flip of a=20 switch, 16 outlets would just about cover everything i got.....its = pretty sad=20 that i dont know this sort of stuff.....thanks for yer help.....:)m Click = here:=20 TheNerds.net ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C1BA3E.53B64F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 21:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15130; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:48:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c1ba81$c4d119b0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <14b.941302c.29a59ba6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:45:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C1BA3E.B645F020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C1BA3E.B645F020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We might get in just for having the most Loopers under one roof :) -Hans ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? why dont we get in the guinness (sp) book of records for the most = loops going on at one time or something like that.....i originally = thought that it would be neat to have everyone set up at the same time = and see what this would sound like but thats just not natural!......:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C1BA3E.B645F020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We might get in just for having the most Loopers = under one=20 roof :)
 
-Hans
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, = 2002 4:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ = Loopstock?=20 logistics?

why dont we get = in the=20 guinness (sp) book of records for the most loops going on at one time = or=20 something like that.....i originally thought that it would be neat to = have=20 everyone set up at the same time and see what this would sound like = but thats=20 just not natural!......:)m =
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C1BA3E.B645F020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 22:15:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17509; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:13:54 EST Subject: Re: strip-search To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b2.6e65354.29a5bff2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b2.6e65354.29a5bff2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/02 9:52:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net writes: > Dude, it's 4 feet long! i think perhaps i lost my head there for a minute.....and how did you know my name was dude!.....:)d --part1_b2.6e65354.29a5bff2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/02 9:52:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net writes:


Dude, it's 4 feet long!


i think perhaps i lost my head there for a minute.....and how did you know my name was dude!.....:)d --part1_b2.6e65354.29a5bff2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 22:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19079; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:42:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:42:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:41:27 -0500 Subject: Re: My firstest online example. From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2eWJkB.A.OpE.pxGd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 2/20/02 6:07 PM, "Dave Trenkel" wrote: >> http://www.feenomenal.com/dbtr.html > Hey, nice stuff! It's cool to see looping integrated so cleanly into > a song format (and I think Neil might even approve, though the > boomerang is digital :-). Are you getting the "filter sweep" sound by > tweaking the EQ on your guitar? Cool effect! Actually I'm using the volume on my acoustic guitar and a Morley wah pedal. =) I'm glad you like it ... I definitely battled for several months with the sound quality of the boomerang, to the point that I was about to sell it on ebay, until I stopped using the settings on the input switch for their intended purposes. I think I get the best sound quality when I set it to "line input" instead of "instrument" (the obvious choice for my acoustic guitar) or something like that. I forget what the actual setting was. But anyway, since then I've had much better success -- loops don't degenerate into distortion anymore. =) And I'm much less afraid to use it for fear something ugly might happen (like I throw it against a wall). ;) Stan said: > i concur-to boldly go where few men dare:in front of a crowd w/ nothin but a > smile,a guitar,a boomer and a whole lotta cajones. goodonya my man. > and n.young wouldnt mind digital-he releases cds doesnt he ;-) =) Thanks ... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 23:18:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22450; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:17:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:17:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c1ba8e$b73aa200$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <14b.941302c.29a59ba6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? recording? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:17:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <4whAP.A.HeF.tSHd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com after taking a look at how crazy this Loopstock shindig was shaping up to be, i plopped down money last minute on a plane ticket (only $400 from boston at the time, whew, it was getting close to > $1k) and i'm carting my butt down there pronto, reefers or no. don't know why i didn't before, frankly. but as i've never been in CA for more than roughly 30 minutes on the ground (spent most of that running through a terminal and noting how lovely the weather looked outside in san fran), i was wondering a few things: would any nice local CA people happen to know of a place to stay in San Luis or thereabouts? i'm flying into san jose, staying a couple nights with a friend, and then driving down to san luis saturday morning, and driving back up to san jose sometime on sunday (catching a plane early monday morning). if anyone needs to get down to san luis from san jose and back, doesn't have the means yet, and can fit that schedule, i'd be happy to carpool, fwiw. also, did hans or someone already detail what kind of taping policy/setup was happening? just curious ... love, mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 20 23:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24135; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fa01c1ba91$cbaa6290$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: "Michael LaMeyer" , References: <14b.941302c.29a59ba6@aol.com> <008b01c1ba8e$b73aa200$58b8fea9@melon> Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? recording? Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:39:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike- If you're flying in from Boston, the least I can do is offer you some floor space. It's going to be about as crowded as the performance schedule on Saturday night, but I've got lots of floor and a big yard. If you're not into sleeping bags, I can send you a hotel listing tomorrow from work - maybe someone will want to share a room? Regarding taping, as long as none of the performers (or their record companies) object, please have at it. I could rent a DAT, but that's about the last thing I need to worry about that day. My only stipulation: I want a copy. So will everyone else. My SPDIF OUT will go to the taper with the highest bit depth who is able to record the whole show. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? recording? > after taking a look at how crazy this Loopstock shindig was > shaping up to be, i plopped down money last minute on a plane > ticket (only $400 from boston at the time, whew, it was getting > close to > $1k) and i'm carting my butt down there pronto, > reefers or no. don't know why i didn't before, frankly. > > but as i've never been in CA for more than roughly 30 minutes on > the ground (spent most of that running through a terminal and > noting how lovely the weather looked outside in san fran), i was > wondering a few things: > > would any nice local CA people happen to know of a place to stay > in San Luis or thereabouts? > i'm flying into san jose, staying a couple nights with a friend, > and then driving down to san luis saturday morning, and driving > back up to san jose sometime on sunday (catching a plane early > monday morning). if anyone needs to get down to san luis from > san jose and back, doesn't have the means yet, and can fit that > schedule, i'd be happy to carpool, fwiw. > > also, did hans or someone already detail what kind of taping > policy/setup was happening? just curious ... > > love, > > mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 00:49:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29872; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:48:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014b01c1ba9b$6ddd4740$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <14b.941302c.29a59ba6@aol.com> <008b01c1ba8e$b73aa200$58b8fea9@melon> <00fa01c1ba91$cbaa6290$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? recording? Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks much! sounds like you're accodating folks already (slumber party!), which could be fun, but i wouldn't want to stress your occupational capacity. i'll see how light i can pack with a sleeping bag, since i don't really want to deal with luggage, and let you know as soon as i can. btw, i forgot to ask folks to reply offline, don't want to clog the list for y'all, although i think the taping question will be one we'll all probably want to discuss. sincerely, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: "Michael LaMeyer" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? recording? > Mike- > > If you're flying in from Boston, the least I can do is offer you some floor > space. It's going to be about as crowded as the performance schedule on > Saturday night, but I've got lots of floor and a big yard. If you're not > into sleeping bags, I can send you a hotel listing tomorrow from work - > maybe someone will want to share a room? > > Regarding taping, as long as none of the performers (or their record > companies) object, please have at it. I could rent a DAT, but that's about > the last thing I need to worry about that day. My only stipulation: I want > a copy. So will everyone else. My SPDIF OUT will go to the taper with the > highest bit depth who is able to record the whole show. > > -Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael LaMeyer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? logistics? recording? > > > > after taking a look at how crazy this Loopstock shindig was > > shaping up to be, i plopped down money last minute on a plane > > ticket (only $400 from boston at the time, whew, it was getting > > close to > $1k) and i'm carting my butt down there pronto, > > reefers or no. don't know why i didn't before, frankly. > > > > but as i've never been in CA for more than roughly 30 minutes on > > the ground (spent most of that running through a terminal and > > noting how lovely the weather looked outside in san fran), i was > > wondering a few things: > > > > would any nice local CA people happen to know of a place to stay > > in San Luis or thereabouts? > > i'm flying into san jose, staying a couple nights with a friend, > > and then driving down to san luis saturday morning, and driving > > back up to san jose sometime on sunday (catching a plane early > > monday morning). if anyone needs to get down to san luis from > > san jose and back, doesn't have the means yet, and can fit that > > schedule, i'd be happy to carpool, fwiw. > > > > also, did hans or someone already detail what kind of taping > > policy/setup was happening? just curious ... > > > > love, > > > > mike > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 03:33:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06705; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:30:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:30:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.c531769.29a609f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:29:39 EST Subject: Re: A New EDP Bein' Born(sysex) - Midi Pedals again... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Having just purchased the Behringer FCB1010, it appears that sysex is > supported, but I can't tell yet how flexible user defined sysex is. > The pedal is a good deal as far as MIDI controller pedals go. 'fraid not, it only uses sysex to to save settings to a sequencer. ......but my current research shows the FCB1010 to be best currently available option for EDP. (though not ideal) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 05:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13367; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015001c1bac3$5b61a700$5361f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200202210247.VAA14939@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: YAD CIMORDNILAP redux Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 02:34:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a quick addendum to the 20:02 20/02/2002 day: Tonight in belly dance class I invented this rhythm in 5/8 and we stopped class right in the middle and played it from 2 1/2 minutes before 8:02 until 2 1/2 minutes after 8:02 ||: O*S*O :|| where O = Bass (on a middle eastern dumbec) S = Slap * = rest It was very, very trancey......we played very slowly without any embellishment whatsoever and all the dancers played with us (I brought a bunch of extra drums). Every body was really affected by it. It's good to be alive!!!! loop.pool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 05:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13843; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:39:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <015001c1bac3$5b61a700$5361f93f@looppool> References: <200202210247.VAA14939@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:41:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: YAD CIMORDNILAP redux Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >a quick addendum to the 20:02 20/02/2002 day: > > Tonight in belly dance class I ... Okay, I have no idea what you look like, but now that I hear you're belly dancing, I'm beginning to be afraid. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 06:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16271; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C74D836.29EA75F7@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:21:26 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Visual Feedback feedback References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380F5B@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greg this will be in the upcomming LD4 soft (0-127) and exactly as you described Claude Greg S wrote: > > ... Or "how can I tell what feedback setting my EDP is at when using a > volume pedal?" > > Yes, the first answer is "Get used to your volume pedal". But for those > of us that grew up driving in Detroit, your foot is permanantly > programmed to press all the way, or not at all, and developing a finer > sense of control without a visual queue is difficult. (whaaa... > whine...) > > So Kim/Matthias, how difficult would it be, one day, to have the EDP > display the feedback setting on the front panel while it's being > adjusted -- and then return to normal display when it's not? Display > could read the midi setting (0 - 127) or a simple percentage. > > Actually this goes for the Repeater too, but I'm pretty sure they've > stopped paying attention to the list for the most part. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 08:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24898; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:32:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:32:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:37:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Someone from San Diego to LoopStock? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By some incredible accident, a Swiss friend of mine stays just this very weekend in San Diego. More than that: He suggested last year to create such a meeting in Switzerland! Does anyone come up from San Diego and could give him a ride? How far is it? Any other options for him to get there? Thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 09:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29897; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c1bae5$712e9580$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <200202210247.VAA14939@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: YAD CIMORDNILAP redux Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:38:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That would be scary indeed - I'd love to see it. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:41 AM Subject: Re: YAD CIMORDNILAP redux > >a quick addendum to the 20:02 20/02/2002 day: > > > > Tonight in belly dance class I ... > > Okay, I have no idea what you look like, but now that I hear you're belly > dancing, I'm beginning to be afraid. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 10:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00782; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:23:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:23:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020221101706.0256abc0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:20:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: power strip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_948828==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_948828==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed after years of apartment living, it's almost impossible to believe that anyone has a spare four feet of space for well, anything ;-) but it seems ok to me... a:c (not a/c!) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:37:46 EST From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: any pros or cons on this powerstrip Message-ID: <12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.c9de0c7.29a5b77a_boundary" would this be ok to use for my boxes and would it be ok to turn everything on with just one flip of a switch, 16 outlets would just about cover everything i got.....its pretty sad that i dont know this sort of stuff.....thanks for yer help.....:)m Click here: TheNerds.net --=====================_948828==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"


after years of apartment living, it's almost impossible to believe that anyone has a spare four feet of space for  well, anything ;-)

but it seems ok to me...

a:c (not a/c!)



Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:37:46 EST
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: any pros or cons on this powerstrip
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would this be ok to use for my boxes and would it be ok to turn everything on with just one flip of a switch, 16 outlets would just about cover everything i got.....its pretty sad that i dont know this sort of stuff.....thanks for yer help.....:)m Click here: TheNerds.net
--=====================_948828==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 11:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05270; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:23:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:23:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C751EA9.529D9B3D@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:22:01 -0500 From: Dan Ash Reply-To: danash@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? References: <200202210247.VAA14940@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3wuuhD.A.FSB.l7Rd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>have everyone set up at the same time and see what this would sound like but thats just not natural!<< Anything worth doing is worth over-doing? >>If I were to set up the sound system to allow for four-channel sound at Loopstock, would you make use of it?<< I believe this is the first time I ever heard of the soundman suggesting that the sound system be as complicated as possible. Hans you are a madman! This event sounds like it will be unforgettable! Dan Ash From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 11:33:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05763; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:31:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <104.115486d7.29a67ab7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:30:47 EST Subject: Another review (maybe THIS will be the last one). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! Well, there seems to be a new review of "Flux Aeterna" up on the web. Go to http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue18/tkillian.html or read below. I must say, it's outrageously, embarrassingly positive. I'd sort of figured that this review thing had nearly run it's course . . . but maybe not. Geeeez. Please forgive me for sending in another one. Best, Ted Killian ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ted Killian - "Flux Aeterna" (pfMENTUM 2001, PFMCD007) >From Aural Innovations #18 (January 2002) Imagine Robert Fripp, David Torn, Steve Tibbetts, and Jimi Hendrix at their wildest, and add heavy doses of electronics and space Kosmiche, and you've something like Flux Aeterna by Oregon based guitarist Ted Killian. Killian plays electric and acoustic guitars, samples, loads of creative loop work, and sound design to create a ripping set of guitar excursions and pyrotechnics that meld numerous recognizable influences into something decidedly Killianesque. I gather by "sound design" that Killian is using loads of guitar efx, perhaps even some electronic gear. The ambient element is prominent throughout the CD's 10 tracks, but over the ambience is a man seemingly possessed, wrenching piercing, noisy, throbbing... you name it... notes from his guitar. "Hubble" opens the set as a kind of Hendrix Star Spangled Banner type tune backed by low drones and subtle percussive sounds. "Leaving Medford" is a combination rock concert shred solo, psychedelic freakout, and ambient David Torn styled excursion. Killian keeps the piece busily exciting as he kicks out wailing and rumbling runs and anguished notes, yet the sonic attack has an element of restraint from the ambient backdrop and slowly pulsating electronic sounds. A well crafted piece that blends killer playing with Killian's frenetic sound designs. "Cauterant Baptism" features ripping spaced out rock solos backed by repetitive Dubby/hip-hoppy rhythms and intense l ooped bits. "Last Sparrow" includes strong Frippoid guitarscape influences but backed by mechanical minimalist patterns. "Recurvate Plaint" is an acoustic and electric guitar duo piece that starts off easy-paced but the electric guitar solos soon start to shred a bit with sharp attacks that contrast in a strange but cooperative way with the laid back acoustic guitar. "Convocation Solitaire" is similar but far more ambient, conjuring up images of John Fahey teamed up with David Torn. "Gravity Suspended" is like a noisier version of something from Torn's Cloud About Mercury. And "Nocturnal Interstices" is an ambient tune featuring looped Fripp styled guitarscapes placed against a seaside setting of rushing ocean waves. And there's plenty more. In some ways I'm reminded of a modern version of Steve Tibbetts first two albums. Or Fripp gone totally acid cosmic. King Crimson for space rock fans? In any event, this is one exciting as hell album that fans of creatively aggressive guitar work will love. Killian goes nuts on the loops and efx, but all throughout the album it's crystal clear that the man can PLAY. Highly recommended. For more information you can visit the pfMENTUM web site at: http://www.pfmentum.com/. You'll find loads of sound samples at Ted's Mp3.com web site at: http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian. Contact via snail mail c/o pfMENTUM, PO Box 1653, Ventura, CA 93002. Reviewed by Jerry Kranitz [Note from the reviewee: Actually what this guy hears as "wave" sounds is a little rain, a bit of distant thunder and cars passing on a wet Medford street (going back and forth across the stereo field). It's one of my favorite "canned" ambient sample loops. Oh well . . . waves are okay too I guess.] :-)> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 12:21:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10314; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:20:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:14:48 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: taptalk@yahoogroups.com cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [taptalk] OT: cdbaby,cdstreet, ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA10234 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Raül Bonell wrote: > are there similar on-line stores > europe based ? > any experience with this kind > of business ? I couldn't tell you about European companies based on the same business model, but we're dealing with both for distribution of the new CD and so far, nothing to complain about. -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ ** The new CD "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" is available from: Amazon.com - Artist-Shop.com - CDBaby.com - CDStreet.com - LaserCD.com MandMMusic.com - OSMind.com - SynPhonic.8m.com - WaysideMusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 12:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12775; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:52:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:52:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C752F98.D0728EFD@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:34:16 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Quadraphonic @ Loopstock? References: <200202211721.MAA10410@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <6ZStiD.A.BHD.lOTd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always try to make everything as complicated as possible. > From: Dan Ash > > I believe this is the first time I ever heard of the soundman suggesting > that the sound system be as complicated as possible. Hans you are a > madman! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 13:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15907; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Authentication-Warning: correo.unam.mx: nobody set sender to smaug@servidor.unam.mx using -f To: Subject: Re: power strip Message-ID: <1014315376.3c7539700f1f7@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:16:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0-pre12 X-Originating-IP: 212.198.0.93 Resent-Message-ID: <4RPmV.A.S3D.IlTd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tell me about it... I live in 20 square feet with a bed 6 synths,my rig, my amp,my guitar... and a girl! :-D A+ At 10:20 21/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >after years of apartment living, it's almost impossible to believe that >anyone has a spare four feet of space for well, anything ;-) > >but it seems ok to me... > >a:c (not a/c!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 13:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17031; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:19:44 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Someone from San Diego to LoopStock? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1197806585==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1197806585==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:37 AM -0300 2/21/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >By some incredible accident, a Swiss friend of mine stays just this >very weekend in San Diego. More than that: He suggested last year to >create such a meeting in Switzerland! > >How far is it? 320 miles, about a six hour drive. http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&ct=NA&1ah=&1a=&1p=&1c=san+diego&1s=CA&1z=&1y=US&2ah=&2a=&2p=&2c=san+luis+obispo&2s=CA&2z=&2y=US&lr=2&x=95&y=12 >Any other options for him to get there? Amtrak 800-872-7245 has trains from San Diego to San Luis Obispo. The early train at 6:12AM gets in at 2:50PM, or he could come up the day before on the 12:00 noon train arriving at 8:35PM. The return trip is at 6:35AM direct, at 11:15AM with a change in Santa Barbara, or at 3:10PM with a change in Los Angeles. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1197806585==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Someone from San Diego to LoopStock?
At 10:37 AM -0300 2/21/02, Matthias Grob wrote:
By some incredible accident, a Swiss friend of mine stays just this very weekend in San Diego. More than that: He suggested last year to create such a meeting in Switzerland!
How far is it?

320 miles, about a six hour drive.

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&ct=NA&1ah=&1a=&1p=&1c=san+diego&1s=CA&1z=&1y=US&2ah=&2a=&2p=&2c=san+luis+obispo&2s=CA&2z=&2y=US&lr=2&x=95&y=12


Any other options for him to get there?

Amtrak  800-872-7245 <http://tickets.amtrak.com> has trains from San Diego to San Luis Obispo.

The early train at 6:12AM gets in at 2:50PM, or he could come up the day before on the 12:00 noon train arriving at 8:35PM.

The return trip is at 6:35AM direct, at  11:15AM with a change in Santa Barbara, or at 3:10PM with a change in Los Angeles.
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--============_-1197806585==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 13:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19507; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:53:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:53:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020221185236.33287.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: echoplex question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, i just joined this list and i have been looking into looping/samplers for a little while and ended up getting a boss rc-20 loop station recently. after reading the manual and playing with the unit, it seems that it can't handle the main thing that i am seeking out of a looping device: the ability to create a loop and then record another loop on top of that and then remove the original loop without losing the new loop. i have been asking around, and i have heard that the echoplex can do this. i searched for some information on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can anyone confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere that i can read more about the echoplex? and when purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to purchase a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of my looping in a live situation). please email me any replies to evanmeyers@yahoo.com (i haven't received anything from the list yet). thanks for any and all help! e va n evanmeyers@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22294; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:08:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:08:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C75457D.7AC412D9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:07:41 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex question References: <20020221185236.33287.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about the Echoplex, but the Repeater will let you do this. You've actually got 4 tracks to play with, 2 if you're doing stereo. They can be added and removed at will. Evan Meyers wrote: > hello, > > i just joined this list and i have been looking into > looping/samplers for a little while and ended up > getting a boss rc-20 loop station recently. after > reading the manual and playing with the unit, it seems > that it can't handle the main thing that i am seeking > out of a looping device: the ability to create a loop > and then record another loop on top of that and then > remove the original loop without losing the new loop. > > i have been asking around, and i have heard that the > echoplex can do this. i searched for some information > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can anyone > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere that > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to purchase > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of my > looping in a live situation). > > please email me any replies to evanmeyers@yahoo.com (i > haven't received anything from the list yet). > > thanks for any and all help! > e va n > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22950; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:13:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:13:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020221191329.22261.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: echoplex question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C75457D.7AC412D9@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks...do you know where I can find info on what the Repeater can handle? --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I don't know about the Echoplex, but the Repeater > will let you do this. > You've actually got 4 tracks to play with, 2 if > you're doing stereo. > They can be added and removed at will. > > Evan Meyers wrote: > > > hello, > > > > i just joined this list and i have been looking > into > > looping/samplers for a little while and ended up > > getting a boss rc-20 loop station recently. after > > reading the manual and playing with the unit, it > seems > > that it can't handle the main thing that i am > seeking > > out of a looping device: the ability to create a > loop > > and then record another loop on top of that and > then > > remove the original loop without losing the new > loop. > > > > i have been asking around, and i have heard that > the > > echoplex can do this. i searched for some > information > > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can > anyone > > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere > that > > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to > purchase > > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of > my > > looping in a live situation). > > > > please email me any replies to > evanmeyers@yahoo.com (i > > haven't received anything from the list yet). > > > > thanks for any and all help! > > e va n > > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23783; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:19:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:19:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c1bb0c$c792e8a0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <1014315376.3c7539700f1f7@www.correo.unam.mx> Subject: Re: power strip Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:20:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yah, i wake up and have to avoid stepping on my footcontroller on the way to the bathroom. no tv, just jbl power 15's, a mackie 1402, and noise toys. no girl though, shucks. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: Re: power strip > > Tell me about it... I live in 20 square feet with a bed 6 synths,my rig, my > amp,my guitar... and a girl! :-D > > > A+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23643; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:19:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:19:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C754818.8FD5A881@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:18:49 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex question References: <20020221191329.22261.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.electrixpro.com and you can find it on the looper's delight site under tools of the trade. Also, try searching the archives. Mark Evan Meyers wrote: > Thanks...do you know where I can find info on what the > Repeater can handle? > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > I don't know about the Echoplex, but the Repeater > > will let you do this. > > You've actually got 4 tracks to play with, 2 if > > you're doing stereo. > > They can be added and removed at will. > > > > Evan Meyers wrote: > > > > > hello, > > > > > > i just joined this list and i have been looking > > into > > > looping/samplers for a little while and ended up > > > getting a boss rc-20 loop station recently. after > > > reading the manual and playing with the unit, it > > seems > > > that it can't handle the main thing that i am > > seeking > > > out of a looping device: the ability to create a > > loop > > > and then record another loop on top of that and > > then > > > remove the original loop without losing the new > > loop. > > > > > > i have been asking around, and i have heard that > > the > > > echoplex can do this. i searched for some > > information > > > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can > > anyone > > > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > > > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere > > that > > > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > > > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to > > purchase > > > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of > > my > > > looping in a live situation). > > > > > > please email me any replies to > > evanmeyers@yahoo.com (i > > > haven't received anything from the list yet). > > > > > > thanks for any and all help! > > > e va n > > > evanmeyers@yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:46:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26523; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:45:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:45:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c1badd$ef0d75a0$32f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020221191329.22261.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:44:48 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com evan- try the electrix website (www.electrixpro.com i think...) for some info, maybe a search on google, harmony-central (every once in a while somebody with a brain posts to those user reviews), and hopefully some of the list-members here will help you out...some of us own edp's, some rptr's, some both. actually, i'm interested in the results of your query. i haven't gotten that deep into my edp yet (still revelling in the most basic uses of my edp). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:53:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27225; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:52:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: patching/effects loop query Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:53:32 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi. sorry if this is just a tad off-topic...please pardon... i'm just about to finish my new rack system and i need a few suggestions for patching. as of right now, my setup is as follows: pre --> eq --> edp --> sherman filterbank --> eventide --> poweramp and i'm having to turn the preamp down and the edp input way down to keep from clipping within the edp. there's no dedicated effects loop with the preamp (older alembic f2-b), so i need some suggestions. i'll be grabbing a s.s. switchblade 8b to use as a matrix but should i get some sort of effects loop piece to eliminate my current linear setup? as of right now, my poweramp is the only source of volume change that i can use without clipping something somewhere and i'd like total control from the preamp. any suggestions are very much appreciated. thanks in advance. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27590; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:54:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:54:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020221185236.33287.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:53:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2002 19:53:10.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[63F40860:01C1BB11] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i have been asking around, and i have heard that the > echoplex can do this. i searched for some information > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can anyone > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere that > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to purchase > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of my > looping in a live situation). The echoplex >can't< do this. It can do a lot of other cool things, but it is a single, mono track machine. You can have more than one loop, but not at the same time. The repeater can, however. bIz aka sserendipity: electronica/organica/loops Next gig: March 4th @ 26mix (26th and mission) 9:30pm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 14:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27938; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:56:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:56:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c1bb11$c8ddc5e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <20020221191329.22261.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> <005e01c1badd$ef0d75a0$32f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:55:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't think of any way to do what you want on the EDP- the EDP does many things the Repeater can't do and likewise the Rptr can do some things the EDP cannot- read the archives- download the manuals- browse the LD website- etc. To do what you want on the Rptr you only need to use 2 tracks and turn the fist down to leave the second- Cliff PS- There is a chance that the function you are looking for will become available with the EDP update coming out sometime this year- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:44 AM Subject: Re: echoplex question > evan- > > try the electrix website (www.electrixpro.com i think...) for some info, > maybe a search on google, harmony-central (every once in a while somebody > with a brain posts to those user reviews), and hopefully some of the > list-members here will help you out...some of us own edp's, some rptr's, > some both. > > actually, i'm interested in the results of your query. i haven't gotten > that deep into my edp yet (still revelling in the most basic uses of my > edp). > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 15:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30759; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:17:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:17:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C755438.6524D931@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:10:32 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex question References: <20020221191329.22261.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> <005e01c1badd$ef0d75a0$32f8c440@g0wn7> <003b01c1bb11$c8ddc5e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff Evan this will not happen in the next update this is impossible with the current hardware but there is a lot more than this in the echoplex please go there and take your time: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html Claude "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > > I can't think of any way to do what you want on the EDP- the EDP does many > things the Repeater can't do and likewise the Rptr can do some things the > EDP cannot- read the archives- download the manuals- browse the LD website- > etc. > > To do what you want on the Rptr you only need to use 2 tracks and turn the > fist down to leave the second- > > Cliff > > PS- There is a chance that the function you are looking for will become > available with the EDP update coming out sometime this year- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 15:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31092; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:22:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:22:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <110.dafb25f.29a6b0d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:21:39 EST Subject: Re: Another review (maybe THIS will be the last one). To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.dafb25f.29a6b0d3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_110.dafb25f.29a6b0d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/02 11:31:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, KILLINFO@aol.com writes: > a new review of "Flux Aeterna" wow ted.....this is a great review, it had to make you feel good.....very, very cool.....:)m --part1_110.dafb25f.29a6b0d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/02 11:31:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, KILLINFO@aol.com writes:


a new review of "Flux Aeterna"


wow ted.....this is a great review, it had to make you feel good.....very, very cool.....:)m --part1_110.dafb25f.29a6b0d3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 16:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01397; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:56:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:56:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.168] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:55:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2002 20:55:25.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[15E111A0:01C1BB1A] Resent-Message-ID: <0-ml9B.A.yU.c7Vd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmmm... I am not totally familar with every piece of your gear (but there is certain lust factor for edp/eventide...even the almebic pre...). Is you signal source a bass? I have found in my setup, which is indeed less complex than your own, that each processor/looper works best in a aux loop. This allows for optimum level and headroom, as well as balancing the intos and outzas. I use a simple Raven Labs MDB1 3 channel mixer/DI for one aux send loop, and a Raven Labs PHA1 pre for the other (one being my fx and the other being the JamMan) any sundry pedals, such as a DL4 goes before the pre. Since you have an edp, filterbank and Eventide, you may want to look into some kind of small mixer which would allow for at least 3 aux sends/returns...preferably more. With enough channels in the mixer you could return each to a seperate channel allowing for further routing and/or re-processing. I believe recently Bill Walker posted about his doing such with a small Mackie mixer and his Repeater. Running processors in line is always a risk, and your sound quality is compromised. A parallel aux loop (for each processor) would be ideal. for what it's worth.... Max >>hi. sorry if this is just a tad off-topic...please pardon... > >i'm just about to finish my new rack system and i need a few suggestions >for >patching. as of right now, my setup is as follows: > >pre --> eq --> edp --> sherman filterbank --> eventide --> poweramp > >and i'm having to turn the preamp down and the edp input way down to keep >from clipping within the edp. there's no dedicated effects loop with the >preamp (older alembic f2-b), so i need some suggestions. i'll be grabbing >a >s.s. switchblade 8b to use as a matrix but should i get some sort of >effects >loop piece to eliminate my current linear setup? as of right now, my >poweramp is the only source of volume change that i can use without >clipping >something somewhere and i'd like total control from the preamp. > >any suggestions are very much appreciated. > >thanks in advance. > >-jim > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 16:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03447; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:06:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:04:39 -0500 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop NY presents open loop: the New York Loopers' Hangout at Chama. Continuous live looping music every Saturday afternoon starting Saturday, February 23, 2002 from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. at Chama, Secret of the Golden Flower. Constant loops, reasonable volume levels and a great place to relax and hangout. Admission is a very affordable $2. All live loopers are welcome: bring one or more loopers and plug into the system. The following artists are confirmed for the opening on February 23: David Beardsley (AFMM, Looper's Delight, MELA) Peter etc. (Liquid Tapedeck) Pedro Felix (Looper's Delight) stv jns (Chama, Gargoyle Mechanique) Kid Lucky (Urban A Cappella, Volectrix) Tom Ritchford (Verge, Volectrix, We Buy Gold) Lena Strayhorn (Interstellar Jaw Harp Society) with more expected. Go to http://loopNY.com for more information! A splendid time is guaranteed for all. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com ...................... extreme NY music and art calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 16:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04964; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:24:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:24:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:26:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > loop NY presents > >open loop: the New York Loopers' Hangout at Chama. > >Continuous live looping music >every Saturday afternoon starting Saturday, February 23, 2002 >from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. >at Chama, Secret of the Golden Flower. > (Still working up the courage to come ... and deciding what gear to bring ... The Handsonics would probably fit best with the biggest variety of styles, but what drives me nuts for live performances is they don't have "Tap Tempo." Maybe the ES-1 ... it's the lightest ...) You mention "loops decaying" -- that might be a difference between analog looping and digital looping. With most of my gizmos, it's an additive thing. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 16:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05567; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:27:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015b01c1bb1e$a72a6130$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com right on! what a great idea! and i'll actually be able to swing down to new york at some point, unfortunately not this weekend :-( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: "Tom Ritchford" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama > loop NY presents > > open loop: the New York Loopers' Hangout at Chama. > > Continuous live looping music > every Saturday afternoon starting Saturday, February 23, 2002 > from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. > at Chama, Secret of the Golden Flower. > > Constant loops, reasonable volume levels and a > great place to relax and hangout. > > Admission is a very affordable $2. > > > All live loopers are welcome: bring one or more loopers and > plug into the system. > > The following artists are confirmed for the opening > on February 23: > > David Beardsley (AFMM, Looper's Delight, MELA) > Peter etc. (Liquid Tapedeck) > Pedro Felix (Looper's Delight) > stv jns (Chama, Gargoyle Mechanique) > Kid Lucky (Urban A Cappella, Volectrix) > Tom Ritchford (Verge, Volectrix, We Buy Gold) > Lena Strayhorn (Interstellar Jaw Harp Society) > > with more expected. > > Go to http://loopNY.com for more information! > A splendid time is guaranteed for all. > > /t > > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://whatGoes.com ...................... extreme NY music and art calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 16:33:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06286; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:32:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:30:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9FUBxB.A.qgB.fdWd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just john wrote! > > loop NY presents > > > >open loop: the New York Loopers' Hangout at Chama. > > > >Continuous live looping music > >every Saturday afternoon starting Saturday, February 23, 2002 > >from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. > >at Chama, Secret of the Golden Flower. > > > >(Still working up the courage to come ... that's why I didn't put your name on the list of people showing! DO IT!! DO IT!!!! DO IT!!!!!! >and deciding what gear to bring >... The Handsonics would probably fit best with the biggest variety of >styles, but what drives me nuts for live performances is they don't have >"Tap Tempo." Maybe the ES-1 ... it's the lightest ...) start with the smallest and simplest gizmo and you can bring more the next time you show up. >You mention "loops decaying" -- that might be a difference between analog >looping and digital looping. With most of my gizmos, it's an additive >thing. loops on the DL-4 and Repeater can be made to decay quite nicely! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 16:47:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07529; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017f01c1bb21$49555ad0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:46:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you're getting a switchblade? well, with a midi controllable 8in x 8out signal routing matrix like that, and programmable level adjustments and all, why would you need an effects loop piece? with the sb, you could run linear or parallel as much as you wanted, and have variations of both schemes available at the push of a button. weee! i got one! *laughs madly and wiggles fingers* mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: patching/effects loop query > hi. sorry if this is just a tad off-topic...please pardon... > > i'm just about to finish my new rack system and i need a few suggestions for > patching. as of right now, my setup is as follows: > > pre --> eq --> edp --> sherman filterbank --> eventide --> poweramp > > and i'm having to turn the preamp down and the edp input way down to keep > from clipping within the edp. there's no dedicated effects loop with the > preamp (older alembic f2-b), so i need some suggestions. i'll be grabbing a > s.s. switchblade 8b to use as a matrix but should i get some sort of effects > loop piece to eliminate my current linear setup? as of right now, my > poweramp is the only source of volume change that i can use without clipping > something somewhere and i'd like total control from the preamp. > > any suggestions are very much appreciated. > > thanks in advance. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16419; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:16:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:16:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:16:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to be contrary (no, really) but there is an easy way to do this with a MIDI pedal. End the loop with a message containing info to turn on overdub and turn down the feedback all the way. Then end the second pass with a message containing info to turn off overdub and turn up the feedback all the way. Purty elegant and it achieves the desired effect--great for recording a melody, then chords, and then just chords over which to solo yer brains out (use caution: results are more interesting to the player than the listening party). Gary PS Have I mentioned recently that my looper can kick your looper's butt up and down the street? PPS I still want a Repeater. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex question > i have been asking around, and i have heard that the > echoplex can do this. i searched for some information > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can anyone > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere that > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to purchase > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of my > looping in a live situation). The echoplex >can't< do this. It can do a lot of other cool things, but it is a single, mono track machine. You can have more than one loop, but not at the same time. The repeater can, however. bIz aka sserendipity: electronica/organica/loops Next gig: March 4th @ 26mix (26th and mission) 9:30pm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17490; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:29:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:29:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c1bb2f$a8b0ca60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:29:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <5pYO-.A.aQE.hLYd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have a midi pedal and I can't quite understand how this works- could you explain it differently? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: RE: echoplex question > Not to be contrary (no, really) but there is an easy way to do this with a > MIDI pedal. End the loop with a message containing info to turn on overdub > and turn down the feedback all the way. Then end the second pass with a > message containing info to turn off overdub and turn up the feedback all the > way. Purty elegant and it achieves the desired effect--great for recording > a melody, then chords, and then just chords over which to solo yer brains > out (use caution: results are more interesting to the player than the > listening party). > Gary > PS Have I mentioned recently that my looper can kick your looper's butt up > and down the street? > PPS I still want a Repeater. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: echoplex question > > > > > i have been asking around, and i have heard that the > > echoplex can do this. i searched for some information > > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can anyone > > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere that > > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to purchase > > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of my > > looping in a live situation). > > The echoplex >can't< do this. It can do a lot of other cool things, but it > is a single, mono track machine. You can have more than one loop, but not at > the same time. The repeater can, however. > > bIz > > aka > > sserendipity: electronica/organica/loops > Next gig: March 4th @ 26mix (26th and mission) 9:30pm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18081; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:37:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:37:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c1bb2c$a7cd76a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:08:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks! > The following artists are confirmed for the opening > on February 23: > > David Beardsley (AFMM, Looper's Delight, MELA) I have never performed at the MELA Foundation aka La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela's Dream House. I just take care of the web site and it would better to think of me as a student in that context. I'm also associated with the World Out Of Tune Festival. I'm even one of the organizers! http://microtones/woot * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18665; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009d01c1bb2c$a7cd76a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <009d01c1bb2c$a7cd76a0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:40:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David writely wrote: >Folks! > > > The following artists are confirmed for the opening > > on February 23: > > > > David Beardsley (AFMM, Looper's Delight, MELA) > >I have never performed at the MELA Foundation aka >La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela's Dream House. >I just take care of the web site and it would better to think >of me as a student in that context. > >I'm also associated with the World Out Of Tune Festival. I'm even one of the >organizers! > >http://microtones/woot Sorry, this was poor research on my part. I oughta asked the horse's mouth, so to speak... I plead wretched time pressure on my part! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18954; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:45:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:44:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c1bb2f$a8b0ca60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff asked politely: I don't have a midi pedal and I can't quite understand how this works- could you explain it differently? Well, sure. To do this without a MIDI pedal, perform the following (with mating dance in progress): 1) Begin recording on the Echoplex with feedback down all the way. 2) End recording with overdub, turn down feedback all the way and play second layer. 3) End second layer with overdub (ya know, turn off overdub) and turn feedback up all the way. Easier with feedback pedal--one foot hits overdub, the other controls the pedal--and even easier if you are seated--this however can hinder mating dance. Gary > Not to be contrary (no, really) but there is an easy way to do this with a > MIDI pedal. End the loop with a message containing info to turn on overdub > and turn down the feedback all the way. Then end the second pass with a > message containing info to turn off overdub and turn up the feedback all the > way. Purty elegant and it achieves the desired effect--great for recording > a melody, then chords, and then just chords over which to solo yer brains > out (use caution: results are more interesting to the player than the > listening party). > Gary > PS Have I mentioned recently that my looper can kick your looper's butt up > and down the street? > PPS I wanna go to San Luis Obispo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: echoplex question > > > > > i have been asking around, and i have heard that the > > echoplex can do this. i searched for some information > > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can anyone > > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere that > > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to purchase > > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of my > > looping in a live situation). > > The echoplex >can't< do this. It can do a lot of other cool things, but it > is a single, mono track machine. You can have more than one loop, but not at > the same time. The repeater can, however. > > bIz > > aka > > sserendipity: electronica/organica/loops > Next gig: March 4th @ 26mix (26th and mission) 9:30pm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19555; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:52:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:52:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000701c1bb2f$a8b0ca60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Echoplex power use was Re: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:51:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2002 23:51:35.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[B276E5E0:01C1BB32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't have a midi pedal and I can't quite understand how this works- could > you explain it differently? > > Cliff If I understand corrrectly, it's a sophisticated, and musical trick, very worth of keeping track of, and adding to the looper's delight tips and tricks. 1. You record your loop, go straight into overdub, with no feedback of the original signal. Consequently, the original loop plays back only once. 2. Since you are in overdub, you are still recording, so you can lay down the second layer of the loop imediately. 3. Before the loop starts again, and after any of the first layer has finished, you turn the feedback back up. Voila, the first loop is gone, the second loop plays on. Excellent. You don't need midi to do it, if you stay in overdub mode - just control over the feedback. Basicly, just make sure feedback stays at zero during the last repeat of the first layer, while you are recording the new stuff, and then goes back to full when the loop starts again. It doesn't have to be a 'fresh' loop either; you should be able to pull this off in the middle of a set. This is a very musical way to make a transition, though everything would have to make harmonic sense (whatever harmonic sense means to you at the time), since it would be playing together for one loop. > > PS Have I mentioned recently that my looper can kick your looper's butt > up > > and down the street? > > PPS I still want a Repeater. Which one? :> It sure sounds to me like your echoplex can kick my echoplex's butt up and down the street, in midi sync :> bIz sserendipity: electronica/organica/loops Next gig: March 4th @ 26mix (26th and mission) 9:30pm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20048; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:56:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1bb33$5c33a820$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:56:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe I'm going too heavy on the eye dope and not heavy enough on the dancing- I just don't get how this process allows one to remove the bottom layer- one more time? Thanks- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: RE: echoplex question > Cliff asked politely: > > I don't have a midi pedal and I can't quite understand how this works- could > you explain it differently? > > Well, sure. To do this without a MIDI pedal, perform the following (with > mating dance in progress): > 1) Begin recording on the Echoplex with feedback down all the way. > 2) End recording with overdub, turn down feedback all the way and play > second layer. > 3) End second layer with overdub (ya know, turn off overdub) and turn > feedback up all the way. > Easier with feedback pedal--one foot hits overdub, the other controls the > pedal--and even easier if you are seated--this however can hinder mating > dance. > Gary > > > > Not to be contrary (no, really) but there is an easy way to do this with a > > MIDI pedal. End the loop with a message containing info to turn on > overdub > > and turn down the feedback all the way. Then end the second pass with a > > message containing info to turn off overdub and turn up the feedback all > the > > way. Purty elegant and it achieves the desired effect--great for > recording > > a melody, then chords, and then just chords over which to solo yer brains > > out (use caution: results are more interesting to the player than the > > listening party). > > Gary > > PS Have I mentioned recently that my looper can kick your looper's butt > up > > and down the street? > > PPS I wanna go to San Luis Obispo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:53 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: echoplex question > > > > > > > > > i have been asking around, and i have heard that the > > > echoplex can do this. i searched for some information > > > on the echoplex, but couldn't find much. can anyone > > > confirm that the echoplex can do this? also, what > > > else can the echoplex handle? is there anywhere that > > > i can read more about the echoplex? and when > > > purchasing this kind of a unit, do i need to purchase > > > a floor board for it as well (i plan to do all of my > > > looping in a live situation). > > > > The echoplex >can't< do this. It can do a lot of other cool things, but it > > is a single, mono track machine. You can have more than one loop, but not > at > > the same time. The repeater can, however. > > > > bIz > > > > aka > > > > sserendipity: electronica/organica/loops > > Next gig: March 4th @ 26mix (26th and mission) 9:30pm > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 18:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20308; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:58:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c1bb33$973147c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <000701c1bb2f$a8b0ca60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Echoplex power use was Re: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:57:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That kinda helps- thanks. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Echoplex power use was Re: echoplex question > > > > > I don't have a midi pedal and I can't quite understand how this works- > could > > you explain it differently? > > > > Cliff > > If I understand corrrectly, it's a sophisticated, and musical trick, very > worth of keeping track of, and adding to the looper's delight tips and > tricks. > > 1. You record your loop, go straight into overdub, with no feedback of the > original signal. Consequently, the original loop plays back only once. > > 2. Since you are in overdub, you are still recording, so you can lay down > the second layer of the loop imediately. > > 3. Before the loop starts again, and after any of the first layer has > finished, you turn the feedback back up. Voila, the first loop is gone, the > second loop plays on. Excellent. > > You don't need midi to do it, if you stay in overdub mode - just control > over the feedback. Basicly, just make sure feedback stays at zero during the > last repeat of the first layer, while you are recording the new stuff, and > then goes back to full when the loop starts again. > > It doesn't have to be a 'fresh' loop either; you should be able to pull this > off in the middle of a set. This is a very musical way to make a transition, > though everything would have to make harmonic sense (whatever harmonic sense > means to you at the time), since it would be playing together for one loop. > > > > PS Have I mentioned recently that my looper can kick your looper's butt > > up > > > and down the street? > > > PPS I still want a Repeater. > > Which one? :> > > It sure sounds to me like your echoplex can kick my echoplex's butt up and > down the street, in midi sync :> > > bIz > > sserendipity: electronica/organica/loops > Next gig: March 4th @ 26mix (26th and mission) 9:30pm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 19:01:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21840; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:00:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:00:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:00:25 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: places to stay in San Louis for Loopstock In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <2C6ED513-2727-11D6-9244-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some ideas from my sister who lives near there: Camping is good (state parks and Los Padres National Forest campgrounds) - Of course hotels - Econo Lodge is I think $46/night & Travel Lodge on Monterey St. is $74/night From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 20:20:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28118; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:19:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C759C6C.D62A973@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:18:36 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, Good news! Ernie Ball Inc., makers of fine guitars, strings, and accessories, has agreed to help sponsor Loopstock. Ernie Ball's generous support will pay for fully half of the operational costs of the festival. So next time you're trying to decide which strings to buy, remember who loves ya! -Hans Lindauer -hans@ernieball.com ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 20:38:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30795; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:42:51 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1bb4a$9f71e4a0$9167580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9Sz35B.A.QfH.5Cad8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama >Folks! > >> The following artists are confirmed for the opening >> on February 23: >> >> David Beardsley (AFMM, Looper's Delight, MELA) > >I have never performed at the MELA Foundation aka >La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela's Dream House. >I just take care of the web site and it would better to think >of me as a student in that context. > >I'm also associated with the World Out Of Tune Festival. I'm even one of the >organizers! > >http://microtones/woot > >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > > > David - i'm starting to like you more and haven't even met you. looking forward to hearing you on Sat. I had the chance to stop by Chama yesterday and met Steve (the co-proprietor) and later Tom R., very genuine folks. I'm excited to hear and make some music in such a setting. I hope to be there around 2 or so, just to get a chance to hear as much as possible and am going to keep myself limited to the 5 rack space I use to house my delays and such, a few foot and other controllers and a slightly modded Berger, i'll have a Bond ElectraGlide nearby in case I feel like going weird (damn!). I've invited a few folks I know from that part of LES so I hope to see some old friends and make a few new ones. best, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 20:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00500; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:57:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:57:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c1bb45$277c9c60$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <3C759C6C.D62A973@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:03:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! When's that date again? Regards, Butch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock > Dear Loopers, > > Good news! Ernie Ball Inc., makers of fine guitars, strings, and accessories, > has agreed to help sponsor Loopstock. Ernie Ball's generous support will pay > for fully half of the operational costs of the festival. So next time you're > trying to decide which strings to buy, remember who loves ya! > > -Hans Lindauer > -hans@ernieball.com ;) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 21:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03481; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:19:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C75AA6C.C853E293@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:18:21 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: places to stay in San Louis for Loopstock References: <2C6ED513-2727-11D6-9244-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9bcyaB.A.b1.Eqad8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you've got extra cash and are looking for a place that's totally bizarre, try out the maddona inn. http://www.maddonainn.com The rooms are totally fucking bizarre. Mark Jeff Blanding wrote: > some ideas from my sister who lives near there: > > Camping is good (state parks and Los Padres National Forest > campgrounds) - Of course hotels - > Econo Lodge is I think $46/night & Travel Lodge on Monterey St. is > $74/night From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 21:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05198; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:38:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: places to stay in San Luis for Loopstock Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:37:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C75AA6C.C853E293@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4fFSt.A.AQB.F8ad8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We recommend the Apple Farm--but it's not cheap. Candy says they have a nice restaurant (she used to consult up there). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 22:15:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09441; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:14:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:14:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:14:17 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ae01c1bb4f$03acc7b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C759C6C.D62A973@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >... So next time you're > trying to decide which strings to buy, remember who loves ya! > > -Hans Lindauer > -hans@ernieball.com ;) > ernie ball regular slinkys are the best guitar string for looping! ernie ball - the official guitar string of the '02 olympic loop team... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 23:06:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13852; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:00:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:00:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c1bb23$4a29d6f0$2bf8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <3C759C6C.D62A973@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:01:17 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...or with volume pedal to buy...sorry...hooray for eb. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 23:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14778; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:13:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: places to stay in San Louis for Loopstock Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:03:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C75AA6C.C853E293@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Classic pitstop since the 70's Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > If you've got extra cash and are looking for a place that's totally > bizarre, try out the maddona inn. http://www.maddonainn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 23:31:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16255; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:31:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:31:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c1bb59$ca9dd7b0$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> <017f01c1bb21$49555ad0$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:31:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ooo, which reminds me. if anyone is getting a switchblade, and doesn't really like spending hours programming settings with four buttons and an LCD screen, you'll want to use the Winblade software (free) to configure the box. i found out the hard way that Winblade does not like Midiman USB interfaces OR Windows 2000 very much. use a serial MIDI interface and a non-win2k/xp (i assume xp anyway) os to run it on, if you can. trying to save some hair pulling ... mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query > you're getting a switchblade? well, with a midi controllable > 8in x 8out signal routing matrix like that, and programmable > level adjustments and all, why would you need an effects loop > piece? with the sb, you could run linear or parallel as much as > you wanted, and have variations of both schemes available at the > push of a button. weee! i got one! *laughs madly and wiggles > fingers* > > mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 21 23:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17680; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:45:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:45:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020221205122.02450ce8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:56:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query In-Reply-To: <00c801c1bb59$ca9dd7b0$58b8fea9@melon> References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> <017f01c1bb21$49555ad0$6445230a@melon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9eRMOB.A.ZTE.Jzcd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haven't experienced any problems with WinBlade 2.03 on Win2K here, though I don't use a USB MIDI interface. At 08:31 PM 2002/02/21, mike wrote: >i found out the hard way that Winblade does not like Midiman USB >interfaces OR Windows 2000 very much. use a serial MIDI >interface and a non-win2k/xp (i assume xp anyway) os to run it >on, if you can. > >trying to save some hair pulling ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 01:12:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26136; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:11:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:11:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: echoplex question Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:11:29 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C755438.6524D931@vtx.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wanna go to SLO sooo bad . . But at least I can loop at home, and here's the latest-- I constructed a patch on the PMC to do the thing this thread is about (go to the archives if you have forgotten) and it works like a charm. Here's the deal-- Step on the switch and a command for overdub and zero feedback is sent to the EDP. Release the switch and a command for overdub and 100% feedback (so to speak) is sent to the EDP. The cool thing about this is, as long as you keep your foot on the switch (if it's momentary--if it is configured as toggle you don't have to keep your foot down--hmmm, maybe I should change that) the source material is repeated once along with the new source material (I'm playing guitar, but same no matter), so you can play an extended "duet", two-part invention sort of thing, and then when noodling grows tiresome, play chords the last time and noodle some more over a chord progression. Lots of other possibilities here. So thanks for making me think of this one, it's (as Jonathan said) a real musical approach, and because of the zero feedback thing, less tiresome than the lobster trap gambit. Back to playing--best to all in SLO on Saturday! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 01:22:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26805; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:21:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:27:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP hardware (2 EDPs) Cc: Andy Ewen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Having just gotten the second EDP, I'm still working things out. > >What I've done so far is get a cheap AB switch to put between the EFC-7 and >the EDPs. (A note for anyone else doing this: Spend a little more money than >I did and get a footswitch with LEDs to tell you which channel is active.) > >I suspect that there will be functions that I wish I could get to a little >more quickly than the AB switch allows -- e.g., dedicated mute switches -- >but I'm going to have to see how that works out. sounds good! Either you use a double contact switch with the typical resistors for Mute in series (as on LD) or some buffering, because if you use a single contact with two resistors to each plex, those build a bridge when the button is not pressed. I can say more about this if someone really does it. >I'm also positioning my >rack where I can reach it while playing. > >My plan had been to use separate feedback pedals for each unit, but right >now I'm fighting with the fact that the new unit seems to have trouble with >my EV-5s even though the old unit works perfectly with them. I am very sorry for this, but cannot tell what the problem is. It looks like a waranty replacement case. Maybe some wrong resistor value or a solder bridge... I wonder how this escaped from our marvelous automatic autotest program? > >Mark > >on 2/18/02 11:55 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: > >> I just set up for this again. I had it years ago and was not quite >> ripe, musically. >> And just like you, I thought stereo was more important, and now >> changed my mind. >> >> Do you use just one Pedal board, switched? >> I just feel like having the FB controlled for both simultaneously, >> sometimes, or Mute, but not Overdub... the solution may be MIDI once >> again... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 01:22:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26902; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:21:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:21:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c1bb68$bf60a760$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <3C759C6C.D62A973@ernieball.com> <006701c1bb45$277c9c60$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:18:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Next Saturday, March 2nd. See: www.armatronix.com for details. -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock > Hey! When's that date again? > > Regards, Butch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans Lindauer" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:18 PM > Subject: Ernie Ball sponsors Loopstock > > > > Dear Loopers, > > > > Good news! Ernie Ball Inc., makers of fine guitars, strings, and > accessories, > > has agreed to help sponsor Loopstock. Ernie Ball's generous support will > pay > > for fully half of the operational costs of the festival. So next time > you're > > trying to decide which strings to buy, remember who loves ya! > > > > -Hans Lindauer > > -hans@ernieball.com ;) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 01:22:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27055; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:21:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C062A389B@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C062A389B@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsof t.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:27:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: PMC10 "Long press" - and a EDP and Repeater example. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] >> > String A contains: CC 38, value 64 >> > String B contains: CC 38, value 0 >> > Pedal configured as: Momentary (String A is sent on the pedal down, >> > string B on the pedaul up actions) >> How is that this mimics a long press? > >You press the pedal, hold it for as long as you like, then release it. >It's identical to using the EDP foot controller where a long press (i.e. >1 or 2 secs.) of the Record button will actually erase the loop. thats it! long press time is 450ms in Loop4, there is a DirectMIDIcommand for Reset, so you dont need the longpress - but you need a separate button, the whole system with the longpress and crossfunctions is made to be able to directly call as many functions as possible with a reasonable amount of buttons. (if you think about it, its not easy, since the longpress function can only be a modification of the shortpress, which always happens before!) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 04:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05658; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: faisalmoro@mail.mac.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:15:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: faisal moro Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The same Alembic PreAmp that David Gilmour uses? ;-) So you NEED a SwitchBlade: allkinds of connections are possible with it, at the best audio quality you can immagine. Otherwise, for a "static" setup, a line mixers could be ok too, but i still recommend a SwitchBlade. You have some great pieces of gear, so let's use all its potential! HTH Doei Faisal >hi. sorry if this is just a tad off-topic...please pardon... > >i'm just about to finish my new rack system and i need a few suggestions for >patching. as of right now, my setup is as follows: > >pre --> eq --> edp --> sherman filterbank --> eventide --> poweramp > >and i'm having to turn the preamp down and the edp input way down to keep >from clipping within the edp. there's no dedicated effects loop with the >preamp (older alembic f2-b), so i need some suggestions. i'll be grabbing a >s.s. switchblade 8b to use as a matrix but should i get some sort of effects >loop piece to eliminate my current linear setup? as of right now, my >poweramp is the only source of volume change that i can use without clipping >something somewhere and i'd like total control from the preamp. > >any suggestions are very much appreciated. > >thanks in advance. > >-jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 09:12:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24541; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c1bbaa$a7f26680$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <01c1bb4a$9f71e4a0$9167580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:10:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > I had the chance to stop by Chama yesterday and met > Steve (the co-proprietor) and later Tom R., very genuine folks. > I'm excited to hear and make some music in such a setting. I hope to be > there around 2 or so, just to get a chance to hear as much as possible and > am going to keep myself limited to the 5 rack space I use to house my delays > and such, a few foot and other controllers and a slightly modded Berger, Here I am trying to decide if I should bring more than one delay and you're bringing a rack! > i'll have a Bond ElectraGlide nearby in case I feel like going weird > (damn!). I haven't seen too many of those! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 09:55:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26903; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:52:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:52:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C766A77.E308E979@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:57:43 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama References: <01c1bb4a$9f71e4a0$9167580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <013101c1bbaa$a7f26680$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what IS a Bond Electraglide? Sounds like a motorcycle for secret agents! -jas http://dimbulb.org > > > i'll have a Bond ElectraGlide nearby in case I feel like going weird > > (damn!). > > I haven't seen too many of those! > > * David Beardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 10:30:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29414; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:18:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c1bb4a$9f71e4a0$9167580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01c1bb4a$9f71e4a0$9167580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:17:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro penned: >i'm starting to like you more and haven't even met you. looking forward to >hearing you on Sat. I had the chance to stop by Chama yesterday and met >Steve (the co-proprietor) and later Tom R., very genuine folks. >I'm excited to hear and make some music in such a setting. I hope to be >there around 2 or so, just to get a chance to hear as much as possible and >am going to keep myself limited to the 5 rack space I use to house my delays >and such, a few foot and other controllers and a slightly modded Berger, >i'll have a Bond ElectraGlide nearby in case I feel like going weird >(damn!). >I've invited a few folks I know from that part of LES so I hope to see some >old friends and make a few new ones. >best, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 Well, this WILL be fun! 5 rack spaces, huh? Well, we'll figure out where to put it... there's always somewhere... we're also going to clear out from under the stage so that there is a place to put cases and things! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 10:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30185; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:30:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:30:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020222153011.95579.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: RE: echoplex question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Not to be contrary (no, really) but there is an easy > way to do this with a > MIDI pedal. End the loop with a message containing > info to turn on overdub > and turn down the feedback all the way. Then end > the second pass with a > message containing info to turn off overdub and turn > up the feedback all the > way. Purty elegant and it achieves the desired > effect-- right, but in a live situation, MIDI isn't all that practical...i'm talking about performing with a band and layering a loop over a jam. i'm looking to this as easily as possible so that i can easily build my loop. i'm going to check out a repeater and an echoplex and see what is what...i might just stick with my rc-20 (for my purposes, it seems fine...especially since i'll have to macguyver up something to do what i want no matter what machine i'm using) e va n|n av e __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 11:05:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00760; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:04:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:32:11 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1bbbe$7b623aa0$536b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snigs~ -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pedro Felix" > >> I had the chance to stop by Chama yesterday and met >> Steve (the co-proprietor) and later Tom R., very genuine folks. >> I'm excited to hear and make some music in such a setting. I hope to be>> there around 2 or so, just to get a chance to hear as much as possible and>> am going to keep myself limited to the 5 rack space I use to house my>delays>> and such, a few foot and other controllers and a slightly modded Berger,> >Here I am trying to decide if I should bring more than one delay and >you're>bringing a rack! i'm off my rocker. >> i'll have a Bond ElectraGlide nearby in case I feel like going weird>> (damn!). >I haven't seen too many of those! > I tune her up/down to whatever feels rights and go. Those instruments are awful fun. br, Pedro >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 11:06:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00853; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:04:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:09:47 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1bbc3$bb735840$536b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason - see here: http://www.geocities.com/guitarsplus_99/bondfrontbackstock.jpg There are a few other pics of them on-line. Dr. Z probably has some background info. They are made of graphite composite by a Scot named (I think) Andrew Bond in the early/mid '80's and sound better well than, most things. rocker switches for the volume, treb and bass, pick-ups are simply amazing on these babies. in and out of phase switching, very full sound, heck maybe i'll play that instead of the Berger. damn, i'm late for, ugh, work. bw, Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama >So what IS a Bond Electraglide? Sounds like a motorcycle for >secret agents! > >-jas >http://dimbulb.org > >> >> > i'll have a Bond ElectraGlide nearby in case I feel like going weird >> > (damn!). >> >> I haven't seen too many of those! >> >> * David Beardsley > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 11:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01546; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:10:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020222153011.95579.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: echoplex question Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:09:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2002 16:09:51.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BAA9930:01C1BBBB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > way. Purty elegant and it achieves the desired > > effect-- > > right, but in a live situation, MIDI isn't all that > practical...i'm talking about performing with a band > and layering a loop over a jam I think the reason that everyone is talking about a midi solution is specificaly for live situations - you plug in a midi footpedal and go. As I explained, you don't need midi to do this trick - you can do it with the regular EDP footpedal and an expression pedal, or even the front panel. Still, it's still a trick - from the sound of it, the repeater is what you need. Speaking of Echoplex Footpedals, is there anyone interested in an echoplex footpedal for, say $50? Let me know offlist. . i'm looking to this > as easily as possible so that i can easily build my > loop. i'm going to check out a repeater and an > echoplex and see what is what...i might just stick > with my rc-20 (for my purposes, it seems > fine...especially since i'll have to macguyver up > something to do what i want no matter what machine i'm > using) > I disagree. The repeater does it fine. I apologize - all us old farts on the list got all excited about this fancy pants trick on the echoplex, when the simple answer you needed to hear was: no - get a repeater. :> No mcguyvering necessary. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 11:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02263; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020222161957.39683.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:19:57 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: echoplex question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3rYevD.A.Di.3-md8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I disagree. The repeater does it fine. I apologize - > all us old farts on the > list got all excited about this fancy pants trick on > the echoplex, when the > simple answer you needed to hear was: no - get a > repeater. :> No mcguyvering > necessary. thanks for the sound advice bIz, i appreciate all the help that this list has offerred. i'd really love to hear what all of you have been creating with these machines and techno-babble...learning to loop is like learning a new instrument and although i have a lot to learn, i feel that i have found the place to learn it. on a side note, i'm looking for a talented guitar player in the new york area to fill a void being left by my soon to be atlanta-living guitarist. the music is all original and has a psychadelic/jazz/funk/groove vibe to it and is heavily improv oriented. this band is very open to new ideas and feels and everyone adds their personality to music brought to the table. if anyone out there has any interest in getting together to jam, drop me a line at evanmeyers@yahoo.com swimming in the loop pool, e va n|n av e __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 11:58:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04270; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:55:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:55:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:55:04 -0800 Subject: Re: echoplex question From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020222153011.95579.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there's nothing really MacGuyveresuqe about doing what you want on a Repeater. You select a channel, or channel pair, and make your loop. You select the next channel and record away. Both loops are going and audible. There are four faders that let you control the volume of each track. Also, if you do eventually go with a midi controller, you can mute channels instantly. Hope this helps. Mark > with my rc-20 (for my purposes, it seems > fine...especially since i'll have to macguyver up > something to do what i want no matter what machine i'm > using) > > e va n|n av e > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 12:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07406; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:16:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:16:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:16:07 -0500 Subject: plex repeater rig.. From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm going to do a few concerts with phil keaggy (i'll post details later...) and i'm going to re-wire my rack. for the first time i'll have the option of having both the repeater and the plex in the rack ( the plex just back from the repair shop after almost a year there....) anyone want to share their set-up using both? i'm planning on going into the plex (post pedal board) and into the pcm-70, then into the repeater using two stereo pairs of channels... into the two tweed vibrolux amps.... thanks. monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 12:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08134; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:23:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:23:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: echoplex question Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:23:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New band name . . . Fancy Pants and the Old Farts G -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex question > > way. Purty elegant and it achieves the desired > > effect-- > > right, but in a live situation, MIDI isn't all that > practical...i'm talking about performing with a band > and layering a loop over a jam I think the reason that everyone is talking about a midi solution is specificaly for live situations - you plug in a midi footpedal and go. As I explained, you don't need midi to do this trick - you can do it with the regular EDP footpedal and an expression pedal, or even the front panel. Still, it's still a trick - from the sound of it, the repeater is what you need. Speaking of Echoplex Footpedals, is there anyone interested in an echoplex footpedal for, say $50? Let me know offlist. . i'm looking to this > as easily as possible so that i can easily build my > loop. i'm going to check out a repeater and an > echoplex and see what is what...i might just stick > with my rc-20 (for my purposes, it seems > fine...especially since i'll have to macguyver up > something to do what i want no matter what machine i'm > using) > I disagree. The repeater does it fine. I apologize - all us old farts on the list got all excited about this fancy pants trick on the echoplex, when the simple answer you needed to hear was: no - get a repeater. :> No mcguyvering necessary. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 12:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08690; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:28:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:28:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c1bbc6$5ffb2da0$977ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Mike Hughes, PhD" From: "Mike Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight References: <200202212133.QAA06433@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Whither Bob? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:28:42 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1BBC6.5F97FF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9IGvk.A.AHC.v-nd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1BBC6.5F97FF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been lurked pretty deep for the last few months, but I've just = found that both Bob Sellon's email address and Stec Records webpage are = offline. Now, www's come and go but a disappearing email domain seems = indicative of something more serious. Does anyone know if this is is a = minor hiccup, or has something happened? Mike ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1BBC6.5F97FF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been lurked pretty deep for the = last few=20 months, but I've just found that both Bob Sellon's email address and = Stec=20 Records webpage are offline.  Now, www's come and go but a = disappearing=20 email domain seems indicative of something more serious. Does = anyone know=20 if this is is a minor hiccup, or has something happened?
 
Mike
------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C1BBC6.5F97FF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 12:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09914; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:41:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:41:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RS 10 ->Patchmate->Repeater->Echoplex Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:38:50 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000701c1bbc7$ca271710$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-n7cAB.A.BaC.TLod8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the subject of midi pedals and combining the Repeater & Echoplex I have found myself in quite a quandary: I use a Bradshaw RS10 midi pedal to control my guitar rig which consists of a Rocktron Patchmate to switch pedals in and out and a TC 2290 for delay. I have been using a Echoplex for a few months now but controlling it via the footpedal not midi. Recently I purchased a Repeater to handle all of my Percussive loops and I want to control it using the RS10, but having much trouble. Current Signal Chain: RS10 -> Patchmate Midi In Patchmate Midi Thru/Out -> TC 2290 Midi In TC 2290 Midi Thru -> Repeater Midi in Repeater Midi Out -> Echoplex Midi In(To sync the two loops) I matched the midi channels on the RS10 with the Repeater and did get it to receive signals at least the midi light would light up but no action would take place. Not sure if any one on the list is familiar with the RS10 but at least I don't find it the easiest to program. The other thing that is frightening me is syncing the Repeater to the Echoplex but one thing at a time right. I just want to get the RS10 to be able to make the Repeater record, mute, undo, overdub for now. Any help is much, much appreciated! Kevin McPeak -----Original Message----- From: mr monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: plex repeater rig.. i'm going to do a few concerts with phil keaggy (i'll post details later...) and i'm going to re-wire my rack. for the first time i'll have the option of having both the repeater and the plex in the rack ( the plex just back from the repair shop after almost a year there....) anyone want to share their set-up using both? i'm planning on going into the plex (post pedal board) and into the pcm-70, then into the repeater using two stereo pairs of channels... into the two tweed vibrolux amps.... thanks. monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 13:08:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12911; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:07:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:7:2 -0600 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Please contact your email administrator if you have any questions about this message. MailShield product info: www.mailshield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 13:17:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13850; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A8F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: for what it's worth Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:14:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBCC.D08F0180" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBCC.D08F0180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi, i picked this up off of a bass e-mail list that i'm on. don't know if it's true or not, but i thought it may be of interest to this list. grain of salt i suppose . . . >I've just spoken my my Trace supplier in the UK, electro-music in Doncaster, very nice company to deal with, who have said that Gibson have pulled the plug on Trace and they have now ceased trading. Gibson have truly given them their legendry kiss of death. The Trace service centre had been seperated into a stand alone company which is still going so there is no problems with support (who really are first rate) with legacy Trace gear. I can't help but feel that Gibson have messed with Trace's supply in the US & UK, run up a huge loss and then had to axe it (no surprise if they can't shift the gear!).< stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBCC.D08F0180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for what it's worth

hi,

i picked this up off of a bass e-mail list= that i'm on.

don't know if it's true or not, but i thou= ght it may be of interest to this list.

grain of salt i suppose . . .

>I've just spoken my my Trace supplier in the UK, electro-music in Doncast= er,
very nice company to deal with, who ha= ve said that Gibson have pulled the plug
on Trace and they have now ceased trad= ing. Gibson have truly given them their
legendry kiss of death. The Trace serv= ice centre had been seperated into a
stand alone company which is still goi= ng so there is no problems with support
(who really are first rate) with legac= y Trace gear. I can't help but feel that
Gibson have messed with Trace's supply= in the US & UK, run up a huge loss and
then had to axe it (no surprise if the= y can't shift the gear!).<


stig




Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information= intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the= reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or age= nt responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any disseminati= on, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sende= r does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to = your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, = or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in err= or, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you.
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBCC.D08F0180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 13:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14942; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:29:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:29:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A8F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: for what it's worth Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:28:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C1BB8B.A7A32620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2002 18:28:27.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8380260:01C1BBCE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C1BB8B.A7A32620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for what it's worth What would this mean for the echoplex? You reckon we could shift them to = kurzweil salesmen for 3 grand on ebay again? :> bIz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: Looper's Delight (E-mail)=20 Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: for what it's worth hi,=20 i picked this up off of a bass e-mail list that i'm on.=20 don't know if it's true or not, but i thought it may be of interest to = this list.=20 grain of salt i suppose . . .=20 >I've just spoken my my Trace supplier in the UK, electro-music in = Doncaster,=20 very nice company to deal with, who have said that Gibson have pulled = the plug=20 on Trace and they have now ceased trading. Gibson have truly given = them their=20 legendry kiss of death. The Trace service centre had been seperated = into a=20 stand alone company which is still going so there is no problems with = support=20 (who really are first rate) with legacy Trace gear. I can't help but = feel that=20 Gibson have messed with Trace's supply in the US & UK, run up a huge = loss and=20 then had to axe it (no surprise if they can't shift the gear!).<=20 stig=20 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended = only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader = of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent = responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any = dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, = disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur = while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you = have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by = return e-mail. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C1BB8B.A7A32620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for what it's worth
 
What would this mean for the echoplex? = You reckon=20 we could shift them to kurzweil salesmen for 3 grand on ebay = again?=20 :>
 
bIz
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: Looper's Delight=20 (E-mail)
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 = 10:14=20 AM
Subject: for what it's = worth

hi,

i picked this up off of a bass e-mail = list that i'm=20 on.

don't know if it's true or not, but i = thought it=20 may be of interest to this list.

grain of salt i suppose . . . =

>I've just=20 spoken my my Trace supplier in the UK, electro-music in Doncaster,=20
very nice company to deal = with, who have=20 said that Gibson have pulled the plug
on=20 Trace and they have now ceased trading. Gibson have truly given them = their=20
legendry kiss of death. The = Trace=20 service centre had been seperated into a
stand alone company which is still going so there is no = problems with=20 support
(who really are = first rate) with=20 legacy Trace gear. I can't help but feel that
Gibson have messed with Trace's supply in the US & UK, = run up a=20 huge loss and
then had to = axe it (no=20 surprise if they can't shift the gear!).<


stig




Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail = contains=20 information intended only for the use of the individual or entity = named above.=20 If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the = employee or=20 agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any=20 dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited.=20 The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption = or=20 damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data = contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received = this=20 e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank=20 you.
 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C1BB8B.A7A32620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 14:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18838; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A8F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:13:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: for what it's worth Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Gibson have truly given them their legendry kiss of death. Sometimes I think somebody should write an opera about those bastards at Gibson. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 14:22:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19630; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c1bba3$c9c02240$34f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:21:06 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, the same preamp that mr. gilmour uses/used. i started looking for a no frills, tube pre as soon as i decided to go with a rack system. the alembic was the natural choice since it is designed to mimic the front end of the fender showman, an amp i love and used to own. beautiful clean sound... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 14:22:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19792; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: for what it's worth Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:20:02 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1BBD5.ED5E6860" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1BBD5.ED5E6860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for what it's worthOK, here's the official line: Gibson has shut down manufacturing at the Trace site and have made all but two staff redundant, Clive MD & Colin FD. My college from the R&D dept, Paul Stevens has been re-employed by Gibson to carry on designing Gibson Guitar products and help set up a manufacturing facility in the US. The reason for this is that the 110,000 sq foot factory has continued to loose money due to vast overheads, despite a healthy order-book and many world-class products. Trace Elliot has started to trade again and in a short time, the best products will be available again. I am now working for a group of companies under the 'Straightedge' parent, based near to the Trace factory in Essex. We sub-contract manufacture for many well-known amplifier/PA companies and are in negotiations with Gibson regarding manufacture of various products. We have already re-employed most of the Trace staff but I can't say any more on the subject until signatures and dotted lines are involved. Needless to say, there will be no problem with continued manufacture, supply and support for the Echoplex. I am still working closely with Matthias on Loop4 beta testing and the change in circumstance has not interrupted software or hardware development. Gibson have invested loads of money and time in recent months on the Echoplex and the guy in charge of such matters, Kevin Van Pamel, is an EDP user himself. There is a new website and a CE-Approved product awaiting manufacture and I shall be heavily involved with future plans. I will post more news as I get it, Andy Ewen (ex-Trace Elliot R&D Manager) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: 22 February 2002 18:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: for what it's worth What would this mean for the echoplex? You reckon we could shift them to kurzweil salesmen for 3 grand on ebay again? :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: Looper's Delight (E-mail) Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: for what it's worth hi, i picked this up off of a bass e-mail list that i'm on. don't know if it's true or not, but i thought it may be of interest to this list. grain of salt i suppose . . . >I've just spoken my my Trace supplier in the UK, electro-music in Doncaster, very nice company to deal with, who have said that Gibson have pulled the plug on Trace and they have now ceased trading. Gibson have truly given them their legendry kiss of death. The Trace service centre had been seperated into a stand alone company which is still going so there is no problems with support (who really are first rate) with legacy Trace gear. I can't help but feel that Gibson have messed with Trace's supply in the US & UK, run up a huge loss and then had to axe it (no surprise if they can't shift the gear!).< stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1BBD5.ED5E6860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for what it's worth
OK,=20 here's the official line:
Gibson=20 has shut down manufacturing at the Trace site and have made all = but two=20 staff redundant, Clive MD & Colin FD. My college from the = R&D dept,=20 Paul Stevens has been re-employed by Gibson to carry on designing Gibson = Guitar=20 products and help set up a manufacturing facility in the = US.
 
The=20 reason for this is that the 110,000 sq foot factory has continued to = loose money=20 due to vast overheads, despite a healthy order-book and many world-class = products. Trace Elliot has started to trade again and in a short time, = the best=20 products will be available again. I am now working for a group of = companies=20 under the 'Straightedge' parent, based near to the Trace factory in = Essex. We=20 sub-contract manufacture for many well-known amplifier/PA companies and = are in=20 negotiations with Gibson regarding manufacture of various products. We = have=20 already re-employed most of the Trace staff but I can't say any more = on the=20 subject until signatures and dotted lines are = involved.
 
Needless to say, there will be no problem with continued = manufacture,=20 supply and support for the Echoplex. I am still working closely with = Matthias on=20 Loop4 beta testing and the change in circumstance has not = interrupted=20 software or hardware development.
 
Gibson=20 have invested loads of money and time in recent months on the Echoplex = and the=20 guy in charge of such matters, Kevin Van Pamel, is an EDP user himself. = There is=20 a new website and a CE-Approved product awaiting manufacture and I shall = be=20 heavily involved with future plans.
 
I will=20 post more news as I get it,
Andy=20 Ewen (ex-Trace Elliot R&D Manager)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan El-Bizri=20 [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 February 2002=20 18:28
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 for what it's worth

 
What would this mean for the = echoplex? You reckon=20 we could shift them to kurzweil salesmen for 3 grand on ebay = again?=20 :>
 
bIz
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: Looper's Delight = (E-mail)
Sent: Friday, February 22, = 2002 10:14=20 AM
Subject: for what it's = worth

hi,

i picked this up off of a bass e-mail = list that=20 i'm on.

don't know if it's true or not, but i = thought it=20 may be of interest to this list.

grain of salt i suppose . . . =

>I've just=20 spoken my my Trace supplier in the UK, electro-music in Doncaster,=20
very nice company to deal = with, who=20 have said that Gibson have pulled the plug
on Trace and they have now ceased trading. Gibson have = truly given=20 them their
legendry kiss = of death. The=20 Trace service centre had been seperated into a
stand alone company which is still going so = there is no=20 problems with support
(who = really are=20 first rate) with legacy Trace gear. I can't help but feel that=20
Gibson have messed with = Trace's supply=20 in the US & UK, run up a huge loss and
then had to axe it (no surprise if they can't shift the=20 gear!).<


stig




Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail = contains=20 information intended only for the use of the individual or entity = named=20 above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or = the=20 employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended = recipient,=20 any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any = loss,=20 disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur = while=20 using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you = have=20 received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by = return=20 e-mail. Thank=20 you.
 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1BBD5.ED5E6860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 14:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20560; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:28:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A90@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: patching/effects loop query Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:27:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBD6.F99595D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBD6.F99595D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" the alembic was the natural choice since it is designed to mimic the front end of the fender showman, an amp i love and used to own. ** right, fb-2 is something like fender blackface 2 channel. good sounding preamps, i had one and used to run the outs into the ins of my roland reverbs and rds-8000s when i did rack stuff. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBD6.F99595D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: patching/effects loop query

 the alembic was the natural choice since it is = designed to mimic the front end of the
fender showman, an amp i love and used to own. =

** right, fb-2 is something like fender blackface 2 = channel.

good sounding preamps, i had one and used to run the = outs into the ins of my roland reverbs and rds-8000s when i did rack = stuff.

stig


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBD6.F99595D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 14:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20938; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:31:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:31:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c1bbd7$882874c0$e654e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <3C745830.EA78F90A@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: OT: cdbaby,cdstreet, ... Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:31:31 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I'd "fourth" the recommendations for CD Baby. They'll ship anywhere in the world for a low rate and they're the kind of people you want to work with. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Wednesday, 20 February, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: OT: cdbaby,cdstreet, ... > Both cdbaby and cdstreet are great -- excellent service, prompt and > accurate accounting/payment to artists. They're both run by people who > are genuinely interested in independent music, and go out of their way > to facilitate opportunities for indie musicians. > > cdstreet gives a higher cut to the artist, but cdbaby has a much higher > profile and seems to generate more business (they recently passed the > $1,000,000 mark for money paid out to artists over the last few years). > I use them both. > > Don't know much about anything European... Rusty Robot is the only one > that comes to mind (and they're well worth looking into.) > > Avoid The Orchard at all costs, though! > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > "Raül Bonell" wrote: > > > > hi fellows > > > > are there similar on-line stores > > europe based ? > > any experience with this kind > > of business ? > > > > cheers, > > raül > > > > ---------------------------------- > > Correo enviado desde http://ozu.es > > No dejes tus ahorros en cualquier sitio: > > http://ingdirect.ozu.es > > ---------------------------------- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 14:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21562; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:37:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:36:26 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: for what it's worth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a201c1bbd8$39a21c60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A8F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-agGG.A.PQF._2pd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com killed the waaaabit, killed the waaaabit... ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: Re: for what it's worth > > > Gibson have truly given them their legendry kiss of death. > > Sometimes I think somebody should write an opera about those bastards at > Gibson. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 14:53:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23352; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.155.6.3] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:50:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2002 19:50:47.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[391078D0:01C1BBDA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have one? Or at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave papadave55@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 15:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25826; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:09:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:09:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c1bbdc$61e4ac20$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:06:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy- The venue is at 778 Francis Street, San Luis Obispo. How's this for a URL: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?dtype=s&mapdata=xU4YXdELrnClf5b2Fi28PQt WiSgoWz6EqXl%2bu0WUpy8R4Qsuc6kKvpbRy8SfxqmO9d4ok1Wlz7wb%2ftOQYoOUTA%2b3kJY5B DgJGTPWbSailbeainTl3slsCj8IUwFtbn5rBfxSQfgA8PL4WN%2bFZ%2bXR7S3d0ppa6FJw9XiAG PRCdfUwfKjdNVx28gBysSIcsL%2bemUrwbfffzTpH2Lb2e%2fHc2SkxzPzf9DDxMvFcp4atXzlka 0fNgZC9A91EnRzIZcFdCfbsm8jAZ0g7xO9w8DZ4lmDqlfUf9QoSxq4jMBoCHP8Nt4o%2bMQoc2Xq fdpgx5ciimtt72NvgK9Wfgcyk0DOVDDAfz5liMp8Cd7HsrHm0o2eUq6q8VwoC%2fW0igu733PAf -Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: Map to Loopstock??? Address??? > Several of us are looking for a map to Loopstock. Does anyone have one? Or > at least the address to make a yahoo map...Om and Out Papa Dave > papadave55@hotmail.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 15:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26590; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mlandman@pop.sonic.net Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:33:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: Looking forward to Loopstock/Kyma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings- I'm happy to be back after a short "vacation" from LD, and looking forward to Loopstock. Any plans for hooking up there for those of us without official LD T-SHirts? I'm also curious if there will be any Kyma users at Loopstock, I've been spending my "vacation" from LD beginning to learn my way around Kyma, and I'd enjoy talking to other folks interested in Kyma looping and processing. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 16:10:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31382; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:06:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:04:48 -0800 Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804A90@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3097227889_41967_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <9EHjqD.A.gnH.lKrd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3097227889_41967_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i wanna one-anybody know the whereabouts? thanx s the alembic was the natural choice since it is designed to mimic the front end of the fender showman, an amp i love and used to own. ** right, fb-2 is something like fender blackface 2 channel. good sounding preamps, i had one and used to run the outs into the ins of my roland reverbs and rds-8000s when i did rack stuff. stig --MS_Mac_OE_3097227889_41967_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: patching/effects loop query i wanna one-anybody know the whereabouts?
thanx
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the alembic was the natural choice since it is designed to = mimic the front end of the
fender showman, an amp i love and used to own.

** right, fb-2 is something like fender blackface 2 channel.=

good sounding preamps, i had one and used to run the outs in= to the ins of my roland reverbs and rds-8000s when i did rack stuff. =

stig


--MS_Mac_OE_3097227889_41967_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 17:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03955; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020222215914.83058.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:59:13 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: plex repeater rig.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently ripped apart my racks and am reassembling them, mostly because I couldn't route things the way I wanted - which is to send dry signal of a number of synths or mics to the EDP, or to the Repeater, or send wet and dry, or just wet. I also want to send the EPD out, processed or not into the Repeater, and vice versa. While the switchblade looks sweet, I couldn't justify the price at the moment, so bought a 1U patchbay. >From my Mackie LM3204 mixer I'll have Aux send 1 half-normalled at the patchbay to my Lexicon mpx1 FX, and Aux send 2 half-normalled to the repeater. Then I'll tap the out of the Aux send 2 at the patchbay and route that to the EDP in. That way I can send signal to both the EDP and Repeater, muting the dry signal in both units. All FXs, Repeater, and EDP each have their own channel in(s) at the mixer. The patchbay will also allow me to insert the RNC compressor, micromodule, Lex, or any signal processor into any channel I want, including the EDP and repeater - (I've found the world is nicer if I compress the signal going into the EDP). I can also send any mixer channel, including the out of the EDP to any effects, or to the repeater, or both, or any of the outs of the repeater to the EDP or any effects, or both. At least that how it looks on paper now. Makes my head spin, but I believe after i actually work with this setup it'll become second nature. Or not. stephen --- mr monk wrote: > i'm going to do a few concerts with phil keaggy > (i'll post details later...) > and i'm going to re-wire my rack. for the first time > i'll have the option of > having both the repeater and the plex in the rack ( > the plex just back from > the repair shop after almost a year there....) > > anyone want to share their set-up using both? > > i'm planning on going into the plex (post pedal > board) and into the pcm-70, > then into the repeater using two stereo pairs of > channels... into the two > tweed vibrolux amps.... > > > thanks. > > > monk > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 17:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05273; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:19:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:19:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1bbbc$ca2e4400$13f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: Subject: Re: patching/effects loop query Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:20:04 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1BBBC.C925FBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1BBBC.C925FBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: patching/effects loop queryi got mine on ebay...and payed for it too = (about 450). they're 600 brand new and i don't think anything has = changed from the original design. i've spoken to many folks who found = them for super-cheap at pawn shops, garage sales, etc. so if you live in = a larger city, i'd suggest looking around before hitting ebay. most = people can find them for under 200 bucks, but i don't have the option of = looking at 50 different pawn shops. -jim ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1BBBC.C925FBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: patching/effects loop query
i got mine on ebay...and payed for it too (about = 450). =20 they're 600 brand new and i don't think anything has changed from the = original=20 design.  i've spoken to many folks who found them for super-cheap = at pawn=20 shops, garage sales, etc. so if you live in a larger city, i'd suggest = looking=20 around before hitting ebay.  most people can find them for under = 200 bucks,=20 but i don't have the option of looking at 50 different pawn = shops.
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1BBBC.C925FBC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 17:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05939; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:31:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:31:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c1bbe8$0495af90$7887abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: Subject: Tl Audio 2031 Indigo series Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:29:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C1BBF0.65D222E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C1BBF0.65D222E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, has anyone had the chance to play throgh a TL Audio 2031 Triode = preamp ? let me know if you did. thanks luca ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C1BBF0.65D222E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys, has anyone had the chance to = play throgh a=20 TL Audio 2031 Triode preamp ?
 
let me know if you did.
thanks
luca
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C1BBF0.65D222E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 19:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14459; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:00:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:00:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plex repeater rig.. Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:59:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2002 23:59:21.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[F223F500:01C1BBFC] Resent-Message-ID: <8Q47wB.A.DhD.4ttd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >While the switchblade looks sweet, I couldn't justify >the price at the moment, so bought a 1U patchbay. Neat! This is just about exactly the setup I've been using for about 6 months now. I've got a 1402 mixer and an 8u rack with EDP, repeater, mo-fx, filterfactory, and a patchbay. I origionally thought that the patchbay combined with mute, aux sends, pre/post sends, etc. would give me ultimate on-the-fly flexibility to my signal chain. While in theory it does, I've found that it isn't exactly on-the-fly. I found that I spent a lot of time futzing with patch cables when I should have been playing my instrument:) Half the time, I'd finish a rather complex patch setup and nothing would work because I'd forgotten to mute a certain channel, or what have you. That takes away from the mating dance somewhat:) What this setup really gives me, is the freedom to invent signal paths and quickly try new things in my free time (Ha Ha: free time?). I've found that I usually settle on one of two signal paths, and so now I've adjusted my setup to "patch" between these two really easily. Anyway, my advise is, expect this thing to be incremental and treat the patchbay as a tool for exploring your options. Have fun! One other thing. I've been trying to figure out how I can hook up the EDP and repeater such that I can command one to sync from the other, OR vice-versa easily. In theory, I'm hoping I can hook up the EDP Out to the Repeater In, and the repeater out to the EDP in. Then by toggling the EDP sync in/out and the repeater's user/midi mode I should be able to do this, no? Anyone? How about a way to do that and still get a midi control input to the EDP/repeater? jon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 19:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15697; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: plex repeater rig.. Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:19:12 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c1bbff$b891ebf0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020222215914.83058.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stephen, Sounds interesting. I have a couple of questions though ... First, am I to assume this is basically for a studio rig, not a live rig, right? It would seem a bit complicated trying to make these patch changes in the middle of a set, or have you set it up to make it easy to modify on the fly? Second, how do you have your other items (compressor, etc.) wired into the patchbay? Do you just try to always have compression for example, the last thing, just before you send the signal to the EDP or Repeater? Thanks for sharing your configuration info. Steve > > I recently ripped apart my racks and am reassembling > them, mostly because I couldn't route things the way I > wanted - which is to send dry signal of a number of > synths or mics to the EDP, or to the Repeater, or send > wet and dry, or just wet. I also want to send the EPD > out, processed or not into the Repeater, and vice > versa. > > While the switchblade looks sweet, I couldn't justify > the price at the moment, so bought a 1U patchbay. > >From my Mackie LM3204 mixer I'll have Aux send 1 > half-normalled at the patchbay to my Lexicon mpx1 FX, > and Aux send 2 half-normalled to the repeater. Then > I'll tap the out of the Aux send 2 at the patchbay and > route that to the EDP in. That way I can send signal > to both the EDP and Repeater, muting the dry signal in > both units. All FXs, Repeater, and EDP each have > their own channel in(s) at the mixer. > > The patchbay will also allow me to insert the RNC > compressor, micromodule, Lex, or any signal processor > into any channel I want, including the EDP and > repeater - (I've found the world is nicer if I > compress the signal going into the EDP). I can also > send any mixer channel, including the out of the EDP > to any effects, or to the repeater, or both, or any of > the outs of the repeater to the EDP or any effects, or > both. > > At least that how it looks on paper now. Makes my > head spin, but I believe after i actually work with > this setup it'll become second nature. Or not. > > stephen > > > > --- mr monk wrote: > > i'm going to do a few concerts with phil keaggy > > (i'll post details later...) > > and i'm going to re-wire my rack. for the first time > > i'll have the option of > > having both the repeater and the plex in the rack ( > > the plex just back from > > the repair shop after almost a year there....) > > > > anyone want to share their set-up using both? > > > > i'm planning on going into the plex (post pedal > > board) and into the pcm-70, > > then into the repeater using two stereo pairs of > > channels... into the two > > tweed vibrolux amps.... > > > > > > thanks. > > > > > > monk > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 19:44:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17052; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:42:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:42:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:48:03 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1bc0c$2322d7c0$7c6b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <89K-Q.A.pJE.nVud8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snaps~ -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [loop NY] 2/23 on: loop NY open loop shows at Chama >Well, this WILL be fun! 5 rack spaces, huh? Well, we'll figure out >where to put it... there's always somewhere... we're also going >to clear out from under the stage so that there is a place to >put cases and things! > > /t > Tom - yar! I know, i'm looking at my rack thinking "ya know I can do this gig with two delays." so, hmmm, I may just do sumthin' else. either way, i'll see you tomorrow. i'll be downtown later on, so I may swing by if I have a chance. br, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 21:18:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24891; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c1bc29$3e49f5c0$577f1841@columbus.rr.com> From: "JLB" To: Subject: An echoplex problem Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:16:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1BBE6.2FCB2840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <87v6wD.A.hCG.Ztvd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1BBE6.2FCB2840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am new to the list. Having just bought a "new" echoplex I = thought it would be cool to see what some other people are doing with = theirs. I am really, really impressed with all the cool postings...etc. = But I am still in the stone age I feel when it comes to getting this = Plex to work for me! My past experience was with one of the old Maestro = units that I had back in 1971-72 playing an old stereo Rickenbacker thru = a blackface twin-reverb....awe to go back to those days....anyways.. I = have a new echoplex that I am playing thru a Cyber -Twin, a truly = amazing amp! I am running the plex thru the effects loop using the = Gibson EDP foot switch. I have just got the Boss FV-50 L control pedal = that I saw was recommended...But I am not sure if I am connecting it = correctly! I know I must appear as a Big Dummy... but do I run a cable = from the output or the input of the pedal? I know dumb huh! But I do not = seem to get any effect or response either way. How do I connect this? Do = I need to adjust the parameters? and I am I not sure if I understand = when or how the feedback works? I know dumber... please if anyone could = advise me I would be eternally grateful.=20 Thanks, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1BBE6.2FCB2840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, I am new to the list. Having = just bought a=20 "new" echoplex I thought it would be cool to see what some other people = are=20 doing with theirs. I am really, really impressed with all the cool=20 postings...etc. But I am still in the stone age I feel when it = comes to=20 getting this Plex to work for me! My past experience was with one of the = old=20 Maestro units that I had back in 1971-72 playing an old stereo = Rickenbacker thru=20 a blackface twin-reverb....awe to go back to those days....anyways.. I = have a=20 new echoplex that I am playing thru a Cyber -Twin, a truly amazing = amp! I=20 am running the plex thru the effects loop using the Gibson EDP foot = switch. I=20 have just got the Boss FV-50 L control pedal that I saw was = recommended...But I=20 am not sure if I am connecting it correctly! I know I must appear as a = Big=20 Dummy... but do I run a cable from the output or the input of the pedal? = I know=20 dumb huh! But I do not seem to get any effect or response either way. = How do I=20 connect this? Do I need to adjust the parameters? and I am I not sure if = I=20 understand when or how  the feedback works? I know dumber... = please if=20 anyone could advise me I would be eternally grateful. 
Thanks, Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1BBE6.2FCB2840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 21:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24975; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020223021654.51198.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: RE: plex repeater rig.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c1bbff$b891ebf0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_Z4sQC.A.WFG.Xuvd8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, basically for a home studio. I suspect I'll be proven wrong in time, but after an 'optimal' setup is determined, dealing with patch cords could be kept to a minimal unless I want to experiment, perhaps leading to another 'optimal' setup, ad infinitum. I'm hoping basic realtime routing can be done via the mixer's 2 (well, actually 4) aux sends and the Alt 3/4 buss, and one or two patch cords (he says with astonishing naivite)...perhaps too cumbersome for a live gig. I haven't finished hooking everything up yet, so can't say fer sher fer sher, but I've walked through a number of scenarios on paper it *seems* I won't have to deal with *too* many patch cord changes. I have only the one compressor, and that has more or less lived on a mic's channel insert, or right before the EDP in...I'm too lazy to wade through the mess of wires that existed in the back of the rack to change that around much. Now that I have the patchbay, I will have much more flexibility. The compressor is probably the one thing I'll not have normalled to anything else. One thing I have to say is that redesigning my rig has *really* made me see the necessity of documenting the design on paper first - dealing with over 20 stereo mixer inputs, over 10 outputs, 16 midi ins & outs, 96 jacks in the patch bay...what is balanced, what is not, what midi channel is that Nord listening on, what mixer channel is the VL1, how am I going to get that click track into my ear, that channel to the computer, etc. etc. I'll sigh a huge sigh when I can go back to makin' moozac! stephen --- "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Sounds interesting. I have a couple of questions > though ... > > First, am I to assume this is basically for a studio > rig, not a live > rig, right? It would seem a bit complicated trying > to make these patch > changes in the middle of a set, or have you set it > up to make it easy to > modify on the fly? > > Second, how do you have your other items > (compressor, etc.) wired into > the patchbay? Do you just try to always have > compression for example, > the last thing, just before you send the signal to > the EDP or Repeater? > > Thanks for sharing your configuration info. > > Steve ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 21:47:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26522; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:46:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:46:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: An echoplex problem Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:36:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C1BBCF.CD77A800" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003701c1bc29$3e49f5c0$577f1841@columbus.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C1BBCF.CD77A800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll make up for all the 'dumb' questions I've asked over the months, by saying, on behalf of the wizards who've bestowed their knowledge: study the EDP FAQ at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html then come back and ask your questions. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: JLB [mailto:jlb5764@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: An echoplex problem Hello, I am new to the list. Having just bought a "new" echoplex I thought it would be cool to see what some other people are doing with theirs. I am really, really impressed with all the cool postings...etc. But I am still in the stone age I feel when it comes to getting this Plex to work for me! My past experience was with one of the old Maestro units that I had back in 1971-72 playing an old stereo Rickenbacker thru a blackface twin-reverb....awe to go back to those days....anyways.. I have a new echoplex that I am playing thru a Cyber -Twin, a truly amazing amp! I am running the plex thru the effects loop using the Gibson EDP foot switch. I have just got the Boss FV-50 L control pedal that I saw was recommended...But I am not sure if I am connecting it correctly! I know I must appear as a Big Dummy... but do I run a cable from the output or the input of the pedal? I know dumb huh! But I do not seem to get any effect or response either way. How do I connect this? Do I need to adjust the parameters? and I am I not sure if I understand when or how the feedback works? I know dumber... please if anyone could advise me I would be eternally grateful. Thanks, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C1BBCF.CD77A800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll=20 make up for all the 'dumb' questions = I've  asked over=20 the months, by saying, on behalf of the wizards who've bestowed their=20 knowledge:
 
study=20 the EDP FAQ at:
 
http://ww= w.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html
 
then=20 come back and ask your questions.
 

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: JLB=20 [mailto:jlb5764@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, February 22, = 2002=20 9:16 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 An echoplex problem

Hello, I am new to the list. Having = just bought a=20 "new" echoplex I thought it would be cool to see what some other = people are=20 doing with theirs. I am really, really impressed with all the = cool=20 postings...etc. But I am still in the stone age I feel when it = comes to=20 getting this Plex to work for me! My past experience was with one of = the old=20 Maestro units that I had back in 1971-72 playing an old stereo = Rickenbacker=20 thru a blackface twin-reverb....awe to go back to those = days....anyways.. I=20 have a new echoplex that I am playing thru a Cyber -Twin, a truly = amazing=20 amp! I am running the plex thru the effects loop using the Gibson EDP = foot=20 switch. I have just got the Boss FV-50 L control pedal that I saw was=20 recommended...But I am not sure if I am connecting it correctly! I = know I must=20 appear as a Big Dummy... but do I run a cable from the output or the = input of=20 the pedal? I know dumb huh! But I do not seem to get any effect or = response=20 either way. How do I connect this? Do I need to adjust the parameters? = and I=20 am I not sure if I understand when or how  the feedback = works? I=20 know dumber... please if anyone could advise me I would be eternally=20 grateful. 
Thanks,=20 Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C1BBCF.CD77A800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 22:17:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29430; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:16:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:16:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoWeAreDisguised@aol.com Message-ID: <103.111a8661.29a86358@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:15:36 EST Subject: Unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_103.111a8661.29a86358_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_103.111a8661.29a86358_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_103.111a8661.29a86358_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_103.111a8661.29a86358_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 22 22:43:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30843; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:41:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:41:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c1bc1c$0b7d9410$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <103.111a8661.29a86358@aol.com> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:41:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got it! i got it! okay amigo, so, what you want to do is pay attention to the part in your welcome email that tells you how to unsubscribe ... OR follow the instructions below: send an email (plain text NOT html) to loopers-delight-request@loopers-delight.com with the magic word: unsubscribe in the subject AND the body of the email. make sure you're not attaching any signature files or stuff like that. OK? Good luck trooper! Bon voyage!!! mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:15 PM Subject: Unsubscribe > unsubscribe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 02:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14193; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:45:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:45:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 04:50:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: echoplex question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I wanna go to SLO sooo bad . . >But at least I can loop at home, and here's the latest-- >I constructed a patch on the PMC to do the thing this thread is about (go to >the archives if you have forgotten) and it works like a charm. Here's the >deal-- >Step on the switch and a command for overdub and zero feedback is sent to >the EDP. Release the switch and a command for overdub and 100% feedback (so >to speak) is sent to the EDP. The cool thing about this is, as long as you >keep your foot on the switch (if it's momentary--if it is configured as >toggle you don't have to keep your foot down--hmmm, maybe I should change >that) the source material is repeated once along with the new source >material (I'm playing guitar, but same no matter), so you can play an >extended "duet", two-part invention sort of thing, and then when noodling >grows tiresome, play chords the last time and noodle some more over a chord >progression. Lots of other possibilities here. So thanks for making me >think of this one, it's (as Jonathan said) a real musical approach, and >because of the zero feedback thing, less tiresome than the lobster trap >gambit. congratulations! this is what we call substitute now. In Loop3 its "rehearse" and can only be reached at the beginning by Record-Insert (when InsertMode=rhr) and you come out of it with either Overdub or Insert. In Loop4 there is a InsertMode Sub which makes Insert do what you invented by MIDI, exept that its toggeling or sustaining, depending on how long you press! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 10:13:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10424; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:12:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <130.9d5eee0.29a90b17@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:11:19 EST Subject: SOLO BASS GIG results To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_130.9d5eee0.29a90b17_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_130.9d5eee0.29a90b17_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had my very first LOOPING gig this past Thursday! And well....... I feel really good about how I played and the manager of the venue seemed very happy with my performance! We had NO financial agreements, and he handed me way more money that i even could have ever expected... There was a very low turn out for the show, however... Monday "Fishbone" played, and Tuesday "Banyan" played (Mike Watt / Steven Perkins) So by the time my Thursday came... I think the people who would have dug it, were broke! I looped improvised 9 string bass lines with drum machine tracks for 4 hours, and I definitely ran dry of ideas on a couple of occasions... But the Zebra was packed with members of K. C. the whole night! LOL (That would mean only the guitarist & drummer of my main hometown project... "Kickstart Chubby") Donald (guitar) said, "Hey Lenny, this is just like practice ... we get to sit around for a few hours and listen to Greg play with looping his bass and his drum machine!" I had no way to record my first ever show and was very disappointed ... and then, low and behold the sound man handed me a DAT tape at the end of the show of the entire nights performance! I can't wait to do it again! Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.mp3.com/freakwincing Blah, blah, blah --part1_130.9d5eee0.29a90b17_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had my very first LOOPING gig this past Thursday!

And well.......

I feel really good about how I played and the manager of the venue seemed very happy with my performance! We had NO financial agreements, and he handed me way more money that i even could have ever expected...

There was a very low turn out for the show, however...

Monday "Fishbone" played, and Tuesday "Banyan" played (Mike Watt / Steven Perkins) So by the time my Thursday came... I think the people who would have dug it, were broke!

I looped improvised 9 string bass lines with drum machine tracks for 4 hours, and I definitely ran dry of ideas on a couple of occasions...

But the Zebra was packed with members of K. C. the whole night! LOL (That would mean only the guitarist & drummer of my main hometown project... "Kickstart Chubby")

Donald (guitar) said, "Hey Lenny, this is just like practice ... we get to sit around for a few hours and listen to Greg play with looping his bass and his drum machine!"

I had no way to record my first ever show and was very disappointed ... and then, low and behold the sound man handed me a DAT tape at the end of the show of the entire nights performance!

I can't wait to do it again!

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.mp3.com/freakwincing
Blah, blah, blah --part1_130.9d5eee0.29a90b17_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 12:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20680; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:27:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:27:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <62.1b5896c5.29a92ac3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:26:27 EST Subject: good luck N.Y. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <-WZEED.A.uAF.mD9d8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i hope the N.Y. loop event turns out to be a roaring success and that it continues to grow.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 12:33:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21216; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:32:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <37.233f5151.29a92c10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:32:00 EST Subject: cali loop fest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone going to slo from la on sat. march 2, if so, could i bum a ride?.....i promise to behave.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 13:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27039; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:55:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:55:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c1bc9b$43dffcb0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Subject: Loopstock Directions Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:52:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4uiU-C.A.olG.eW-d8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I've just learned enough HTML to add links to the Loopstock page, www.armatronix.com. Therein you will be able to find driving directions to the venue, as well as information about some of the performers. Hope this helps. T-minus 7 days and counting, -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 14:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31426; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:44:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:44:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:44:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--320937553 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006101c1bc9b$43dffcb0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-4--320937553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses in your e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail message!!! On Saturday, February 23, 2002, at 01:52 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > www.armatronix.com _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-4--320937553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses in your e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail message!!! On Saturday, February 23, 2002, at 01:52 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: www.armatronix.com Helvetica_________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-4--320937553-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 14:52:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31880; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:51:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:51:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <006101c1bc9b$43dffcb0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:53:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses in your >e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail message!!! You forgot to add: In MOST modern email programs. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 15:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32621; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:59:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:59:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:58:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--320107626 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: <7EhtCB.A.J7H.rR_d8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-5--320107626 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Anyone cool enough to be a looper must use a "modern e-mail program", so that was assumed. >> Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses in >> your >> e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail message!!! > > You forgot to add: In MOST modern email programs. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-5--320107626 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Anyone cool enough to be a looper must use a "modern e-mail program", so that was assumed. Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses in your e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail message!!! You forgot to add: In MOST modern email programs. Helvetica_________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-5--320107626-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 15:41:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03108; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c1bcaa$5e9e2810$58b8fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: <7wFp.A.xv.Y4_d8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey! i use pigeons and crayons! what's your problem!?!? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Miller" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions > Anyone cool enough to be a looper must use a "modern e-mail program", so > that was assumed. > > >> Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses in > >> your > >> e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail message!!! > > > > You forgot to add: In MOST modern email programs. > _________________________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.columbusnow.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 15:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04528; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:54:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:54:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c1bcac$5b67a340$e05be540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:54:59 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1BC82.725618E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1BC82.725618E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links for me when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a PC) You may need to tweak something yourself - especially if youre using a Mac - as several "modern e-mail program"s don't easily and universally translate into links. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Miller=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, 23 February, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Anyone cool enough to be a looper must use a "modern e-mail program", = so that was assumed. Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses = in your e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail = message!!! You forgot to add: In MOST modern email programs. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1BC82.725618E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make = clickable links=20 for me
when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express = on a=20 PC)
You may need to tweak something yourself - = especially=20 if
youre using a Mac - as several "modern e-mail = program"s=20 don't
easily and universally translate into = links.
 
Cheers,
Scott M2
 
http://www.dreamSTATE.to
ambient= electronicsoundscapes
http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE<= BR>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Doug=20 Miller
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Saturday, 23 February, = 2002 2:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: Loopstock = Directions

Anyone cool enough to be a looper must use a "modern = e-mail=20 program", so that was assumed.

Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web = addresses in your
e-mails, they become clickable links right in = the=20 e-mail message!!!

You forgot to add: In MOST = modern=20 email programs.
_________________________________________Doug=20 Miller
Graphic=20 = Designer

http://www.dispatch.com
http://www.columbusnow.com
= http://www.cccn.org
http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html<= ?/smaller> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1BC82.725618E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 16:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08065; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:26:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:26:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01c1bcac$5b67a340$e05be540@sunspot> References: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:28:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA08027 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And since Outlook Express doesn't actually adhere to internationally established HTML standards, from this end, your messages appear blank. Then, when I hit "Blah blah blah" to expand them, I get: >"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > > > > > > >
Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links >for me
>
when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a >PC)
>
You may need to tweak something yourself - especially >if
>
youre using a Mac - as several "modern e-mail program"s >don't
>
easily and universally translate into links.
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: >black">From: > title=dmiller3@columbus.rr.com>Doug > Miller
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Sent: Saturday, 23 February, 2002 2:58 > PM
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Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions
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Anyone cool enough to be a looper must use a "modern e-mail > program", so that was assumed.

>
>
Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web > addresses in your
e-mails, they become clickable links right in the > e-mail message!!!

You forgot to add: In MOST modern > email programs.
Helvetica>_________________________________________
Do >ug > Miller
Graphic > >Designer

http://www.dispatch.com
http://www.columbusnow.com
http:// >www.cccn.org
http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.htmlmaller>
> > Maybe it's just me, but I'd never publicly release HTML that did a
preceding every single line ... Who is this idiot "pete" that such kludgey stuff is for? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 16:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09138; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:39:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <62.1b5896c5.29a92ac3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:41:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: good luck N.Y. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i hope the N.Y. loop event turns out to be a roaring success and that it >continues to grow.....:)m Me, too. (As you can tell, I didn't go.) So, any chance of a webcast? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 16:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09969; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:50:12 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions In-reply-to: <001b01c1bcac$5b67a340$e05be540@sunspot> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Scott McGregor Moore , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001b01c1bcac$5b67a340$e05be540@sunspot> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:54 PM -0500 2/23/02, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links for me >when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a PC) All of the URLs in Doug's messages work when I read them in Eudora on the Mac. Must be an Outlook issue. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 17:12:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12716; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:11:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:11:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:11:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--312150778 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3E80F179-28AA-11D6-AED6-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--312150778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That is ironic! But lets give this one a rest... thanks for the heads up on the way email programs "translate" urls! >> Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links for me >> when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a PC) > > All of the URLs in Doug's messages work when I read them in Eudora on > the Mac. > > Must be an Outlook issue. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-1--312150778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII That is ironic! But lets give this one a rest... thanks for the heads up on the way email programs "translate" urls! Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links for me when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a PC) All of the URLs in Doug's messages work when I read them in Eudora on the Mac. Must be an Outlook issue. Helvetica_________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-1--312150778-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 17:25:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13908; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012301c1bcb8$e7bcd0c0$e05be540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <001b01c1bcac$5b67a340$e05be540@sunspot> Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:24:48 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5iUea.A.fYD.HaBe8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 3:54 PM -0500 2/23/02, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > >Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links for me > >when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a PC) > > All of the URLs in Doug's messages work when I read them in Eudora on the Mac. > > Must be an Outlook issue. Yes - It must be an Outlook issue. I may switch to Eudora some day but I'm wary of losing or corrupting my folders with my e-mail lists of subscribers for dreamSTATE and The Ambient Ping newsletters. BTW - I think most of the 'junk HTML' came from including the original e-mail in my reply, as I keep HTML turned off but allow it in quoted replies. Looks like it's time to turn that off too. Sorry for the bandwidth and all... :-( and hope at least *my* links are working. ;-) (Most links I receive on this list work just fine BTW.) Just to steer back on topic - sure wish I could be experiencing these special East and West coast looping nights to hear what you're all like in action. I am lucky to have Andrew Aldridge's Planet Of The Loops based here in Toronto and playing the Ping every 2nd month, plus half the ambient musicians in town are loopers - but it's always great to see/hear people that you talk/correspond with, when they walk the walk. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 17:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14220; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:26:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:26:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:26:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ffpPC.A.cdD.4bBe8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they all work for me on a mac with outlook.... on 2/23/02 4:50 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > At 3:54 PM -0500 2/23/02, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >> Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links for me >> when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a PC) > > All of the URLs in Doug's messages work when I read them in Eudora on the Mac. > > Must be an Outlook issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 17:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15340; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:46:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:45:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > they all work for me on a mac with outlook.... > yas they do > > > on 2/23/02 4:50 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > >> At 3:54 PM -0500 2/23/02, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >>> Ironically Doug - your own URLs didn't make clickable links for me >>> when I received this e-mail. (using Outlook Express on a PC) >> >> All of the URLs in Doug's messages work when I read them in Eudora on the >> Mac. >> >> Must be an Outlook issue. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 18:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18532; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:14:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:14:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020223231419.5329.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:14:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006c01c1bbdc$61e4ac20$bafccd18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-606494713-1014506059=:5307" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-606494713-1014506059=:5307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain exactly according to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 Syncing a drum machine or sequencer to the exhoplex) Double checked it all... I hoped to get the echoplex to trigger a little 1 measure beat that I sequenced into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt seem to hit it off like I had hoped!!! No communication. Anyone had any luck with this??? Are there certain settings I need to use for the Roland brain? Or should I just go back to making a living playing ACOUSTIC again??!!!! (Just kiddin'! This is way too much fun!) Thanks much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. Just curious - When do y'all expect to have the new EDP software out? P.P.S. Hopin' to make it out from Madison, WI to see y'all loop in "San Loopis Obispo." Good Luck in advance! Sincerely, Bradley Fish --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games --0-606494713-1014506059=:5307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hi,

I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain exactly according to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 Syncing a drum machine or sequencer to the exhoplex)  Double checked it all...

I hoped to get the echoplex to trigger a little 1 measure beat that I sequenced into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt seem to hit it off like I had hoped!!! No communication.

Anyone had any luck with this???  Are there certain settings I need to use for the Roland brain?

Or should I just go back to making a living playing ACOUSTIC again??!!!! (Just kiddin'! This is way too much fun!) 

Thanks much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Just curious - When do y'all expect to have the new EDP software out?

P.P.S. Hopin' to make it out from Madison, WI to see y'all loop in "San Loopis Obispo." Good Luck in advance!

Sincerely,

Bradley Fish


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Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games --0-606494713-1014506059=:5307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 18:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20213; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:34:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:34:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [211.16.236.54] From: "Nathan Thompson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lofi Lotech Lopriced Looper Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:33:30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2002 23:33:30.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[806ABA40:01C1BCC2] Resent-Message-ID: <7aJoAC.A.v6E.pbCe8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello I have been an LD observer for a while now and I would like to know if anyone can help me out. I am a performing artist and am currently developing a project where I require many (about 10) lofi, lotech and hopefully lowpriced loopers. Basically what Im after is a circuit that:: *Samples a raw audio signal, of maximum 6 seconds, starting when the signal commences and finishing when the signal stops. *Instantanious, continuous looping of this sample until another is introduced. *A mute feature of some description. (ON/OFF/ON) *Low price. Each unit is going to be separated, so 1 stand alone product is not an option as far as I can see. I have some experience building my own electronic devices, so a reasonably easy schematic of a circuit for such a device would be OK. If anyone knows of a product or indeed can give ANY information about what I require, I would be eternally grateful. Sorry if any of the terminology is incorrect or confusing. Thankyou Nathan Thompson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 19:09:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24034; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:08:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:08:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:07:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ??? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--305152979 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20020223231419.5329.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8982402D-28BA-11D6-AED6-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2--305152979 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm using my EDP with a Boss JamStation. Works great. Both are Roland so=20= this ought to work for you too! > I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain exactly = according=20 > to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 Syncing a drum=20 > machine or sequencer to the exhoplex)=A0=A0Double checked it all... I = hoped=20 > to get the echoplex to trigger a little=A01 measure beat that I = sequenced=20 > into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt seem to hit = it=20 > off like=A0I had hoped!!! No communication. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-2--305152979 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm using my EDP with a Boss JamStation. Works great. Both are Roland so this ought to work for you too! I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain exactly according to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 Syncing a drum machine or sequencer to the exhoplex)=A0=A0Double checked it = all... I hoped to get the echoplex to trigger a little=A01 measure beat that I sequenced into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt seem to hit it off like=A0I had hoped!!! No communication. = Helvetica__________= _______________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com = Helveticahttp://www.columbusn= ow.com http://www.cccn.org = http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html= --Apple-Mail-2--305152979-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 20:22:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29342; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:19:58 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: Re: Loopstock Directions In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <9E47D2CC-28C4-11D6-8245-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <54tnNB.A._JH.A_De8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com also, if you OPTION-CLICK (ALT-CLICK on a Windows machine i think) the URL it usually lets you select the program you want to use to open the URL, and then sets that as the default. this is useful if you want to use Netscape for example and Outlook defaults to Explorer, or if you just want to change it sometime. -j On Saturday, February 23, 2002, at 11:53 AM, just john wrote: > >> Here's a clue: If you put "http://" in front of your web addresses in >> your >> e-mails, they become clickable links right in the e-mail message!!! > > > You forgot to add: In MOST modern email programs. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 20:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30013; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:30:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:30:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ??? Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:20:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C1BC8E.59778EB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <8982402D-28BA-11D6-AED6-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C1BC8E.59778EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All right I'll give it a shot. (maybe if some of us 'laymen' can answer these queries rather than the developers, we'll get Loop 4 sooner :-) On TD10 make sure sync in is enabled. And make sure you're in the mode where patterns are played. Consult Roland manual under 'syncing to external clock' EDP: Make sure Sync Out is set up. And set your #beats. Then when you create your loop, after you've pressed Record the 2nd time, clock should be sending to the TD10. Consult FAQ at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ3.html#midisync. The details of setting your EDP up is spelled out there. The whole site, esp the FAQ, has a wealth of information. The above link is the page for midi sync stuff. If still no luck: Make sure no midi is being filtered, so midi clock from EDP goes into TD10. Make sure midi OUT cable from EDP (not midi through) is going to TD10. Hope this helps. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 4:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ??? I'm using my EDP with a Boss JamStation. Works great. Both are Roland so this ought to work for you too! I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain exactly according to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 Syncing a drum machine or sequencer to the exhoplex) Double checked it all... I hoped to get the echoplex to trigger a little 1 measure beat that I sequenced into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt seem to hit it off like I had hoped!!! No communication. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C1BC8E.59778EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All=20 right I'll give it a shot. (maybe if some of us 'laymen' can answer = these=20 queries rather than the developers, we'll get Loop 4 sooner=20 :-)
 
On=20 TD10 make sure sync in is enabled. And make sure you're in = the mode=20 where patterns are played.  Consult Roland manual under = 'syncing to=20 external clock'
 
EDP:=20 Make sure Sync Out is set up. And set your #beats. Then when you create = your=20 loop, after you've pressed Record the 2nd time, clock should be sending = to the=20 TD10. Consult FAQ at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ3.html#midisync.=20 The details of setting your EDP up is spelled out = there.
 
The=20 whole site, esp the FAQ, has a wealth of information. The above link is = the page=20 for midi sync stuff.
If=20 still no luck:
 
Make=20 sure no midi is being filtered, so midi clock from EDP goes into=20 TD10.
Make=20 sure midi OUT cable from EDP (not midi through) is going to=20 TD10. 
 
Hope=20 this helps.

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Miller=20 [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, February = 23, 2002=20 4:08 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ???

I'm using = my EDP=20 with a Boss JamStation. Works great. Both are Roland so this ought to = work for=20 you too!

I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain = exactly=20 according to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 = Syncing a drum=20 machine or sequencer to the exhoplex)  Double checked it = all... I=20 hoped to get the echoplex to trigger a little 1 measure beat = that I=20 sequenced into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt = seem to=20 hit it off like I had hoped!!! No = communication.
_________________________________________Doug=20 Miller
Graphic = Designer

http://www.dispatch.com
http://www.columbusnow.com
http://www.cc= cn.org
http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C1BC8E.59778EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 23 21:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01779; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:37:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:37:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c1bcdc$4ede40e0$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <62.1b5896c5.29a92ac3@aol.com> Subject: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:38:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > i hope the N.Y. loop event turns out to be a roaring success and that it > continues to grow.....:)m It was great. Six hours of almost continuous looping. I did two solo sets (microtonal guitar) where I was joined at the end by Tom Ritchford (overtone singing). Right before the end of the evening I joined with Tom, Pedro Felix (insane electric gtr.) and Lena Strayhorn (jaw harp) for a crazy dense jam. Mr. Ritchford mixed and looped almost constantly through the whole afternoon and evening. Lena Strayhorn had very expansive collection of Jaw Harps, and perfomed quite a few duets with Tom, generating some cool SE Asian grooves. Pedro Felix brought a milk crate of eq. He's modded various pieces of equipment for switches. With a Steinberger in hand, he'll play a few chords and then touch a cable he's holding in his right hand and the whole sample will speed up a few octaves. He let's go of the tip of the cable, the loop stops, he plays another few riffs and then there's some more mayhem or electronic wierdness. When he started his set I thought he was just testing his eq - silly me! Chama owner stv jns (gtr) performed some other worldly duets with Mr. Ritchford and also chatted a bit about UFOs (one of the themes of this coffee house, lots of cool art work on the walls). There was also a fellow with a wig that had hair that covered his entire head, including his face, he played ebow gtr., rocky-yet a very electronic vibe. Who was this head of hair? ;) So, I'm pretty burnt out from the day and I know I left a few people out [sorry 'bout that, maybe someone else can fill in the details]. It was also great to meet fellow LD members, including the legendary Dr T. - come back and join with us in looping next week in the Far East Village. I'll be back, folks were very nice and complementary about my microtonal gtr playing. I think I'll also bring my fretless gtr., but not my POD. Maybe I'll drop kick it off of my balcony in the morning. Next week I'll be using a tube pre amp! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 00:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13793; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:16:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:16:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020224051538.88774.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: RE: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-637557716-1014527738=:86270" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-637557716-1014527738=:86270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Got it! Thanks!!!!!!! Ok, this IS cooler than solo Acoustic... Neil Goldstein wrote: All right I'll give it a shot. (maybe if some of us 'laymen' can answer these queries rather than the developers, we'll get Loop 4 sooner :-) On TD10 make sure sync in is enabled. And make sure you're in the mode where patterns are played. Consult Roland manual under 'syncing to external clock' EDP: Make sure Sync Out is set up. And set your #beats. Then when you create your loop, after you've pressed Record the 2nd time, clock should be sending to the TD10. Consult FAQ at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ3.html#midisync. The details of setting your EDP up is spelled out there. The whole site, esp the FAQ, has a wealth of information. The above link is the page for midi sync stuff. If still no luck: Make sure no midi is being filtered, so midi clock from EDP goes into TD10.Make sure midi OUT cable from EDP (not midi through) is going to TD10. Hope this helps. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 4:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ??? I'm using my EDP with a Boss JamStation. Works great. Both are Roland so this ought to work for you too! I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain exactly according to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 Syncing a drum machine or sequencer to the exhoplex) Double checked it all... I hoped to get the echoplex to trigger a little 1 measure beat that I sequenced into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt seem to hit it off like I had hoped!!! No communication. _________________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games --0-637557716-1014527738=:86270 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Got it! Thanks!!!!!!!

Ok, this IS cooler than solo Acoustic... 

  Neil Goldstein <ngold@attbi.com> wrote:

All right I'll give it a shot. (maybe if some of us 'laymen' can answer these queries rather than the developers, we'll get Loop 4 sooner :-)
 
On TD10 make sure sync in is enabled. And make sure you're in the mode where patterns are played.  Consult Roland manual under 'syncing to external clock'
 
EDP: Make sure Sync Out is set up. And set your #beats. Then when you create your loop, after you've pressed Record the 2nd time, clock should be sending to the TD10. Consult FAQ at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ3.html#midisync. The details of setting your EDP up is spelled out there.
 
The whole site, esp the FAQ, has a wealth of information. The above link is the page for midi sync stuff.
If still no luck:
 
Make sure no midi is being filtered, so midi clock from EDP goes into TD10.
Make sure midi OUT cable from EDP (not midi through) is going to TD10. 
 
Hope this helps.

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 4:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ???

I'm using my EDP with a Boss JamStation. Works great. Both are Roland so this ought to work for you too!

I just hooked up my new EDP to my Roland V-drum brain exactly according to the instructions in the EDP manual. (Example 4.2 Syncing a drum machine or sequencer to the exhoplex)  Double checked it all... I hoped to get the echoplex to trigger a little 1 measure beat that I sequenced into my TD-10 Roland sound module brain, but they did'nt seem to hit it off like I had hoped!!! No communication.
_________________________________________
Doug Miller
Graphic Designer

http://www.dispatch.com
http://www.columbusnow.com
http://www.cccn.org
http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html


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Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games --0-637557716-1014527738=:86270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 00:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14609; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020223225528.00bd7f00@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: r4c@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:18:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "L. Stafford" Subject: Re: Lofi Lotech Lopriced Looper In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out those voice recorder chips they have at Radio Shack or Digikey. They will do 20 seconds, are fairly cheap, will run off a battery and are easy to integrate into a circuit (they come with a data sheet but you can also download it from http://www.winbond.com.tw/PDF/sheet/1400_1.pdf) They also have a loop play function and are SUPER low fi (like 8khz sampling rate or less). On the other hand, they are also really cheap so what do you want? Their lowfi-ness is also kind of part of their charm! Good luck! Lorren Stafford http://www.blackbocmusicfx.com http://www.winternet.com/~r4c http://www.futureperfect.org At 11:33 PM 2/23/02 +0000, you wrote: >Hello >I have been an LD observer for a while now and I would like to know if >anyone can help me out. >I am a performing artist and am currently developing a project where I >require many (about 10) lofi, lotech and hopefully lowpriced loopers. >Basically what Im after is a circuit that:: > >*Samples a raw audio signal, of maximum 6 seconds, starting when the >signal commences and finishing when the signal stops. >*Instantanious, continuous looping of this sample until another is introduced. >*A mute feature of some description. (ON/OFF/ON) >*Low price. > >Each unit is going to be separated, so 1 stand alone product is not an >option as far as I can see. I have some experience building my own >electronic devices, so a reasonably easy schematic of a circuit for such a >device would be OK. > >If anyone knows of a product or indeed can give ANY information about what >I require, I would be eternally grateful. >Sorry if any of the terminology is incorrect or confusing. >Thankyou >Nathan Thompson > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 10:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25248; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:22:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:22:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <80.18163cb5.29aa5eef@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:21:19 EST Subject: Alto Music Hours To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_80.18163cb5.29aa5eef_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_80.18163cb5.29aa5eef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone know if alto music in middletown, ny is open on sundays? and if so, hours? thanks - harry --part1_80.18163cb5.29aa5eef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone know if alto music in middletown, ny is open on sundays?  and if so, hours?

thanks -  harry
--part1_80.18163cb5.29aa5eef_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 10:34:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25957; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:33:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:33:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:32:39 EST Subject: Re: Alto Music Hours To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <178.40f15f1.29aa6198@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are open 12-4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 11:51:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31258; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:49:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:49:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012701c1bd53$6b035400$d1168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers" , "Nathan Thompson" Subject: Re: Lofi Lotech Lopriced Looper Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:49:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <10q30.A.cnH.FmRe8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two items pop into mind: The Akai Headrush (about $200) and one of several stomp box samplers ($100-150?). I suspect the biggest problem will be a unit which *knows* when the signal starts and stops and automatically clips it and loops it. If you don't mind *telling* the unit to start/stop via a hand/foot switch, I'll bet you might even be able to use one of those Radio Shack "save-an-idea" thingies. I'd love to discover something lo fi and loopy; I look forward to the suggestions of others. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us >Hello >I have been an LD observer for a while now and I would like to know if >anyone can help me out. >I am a performing artist and am currently developing a project where I >require many (about 10) lofi, lotech and hopefully lowpriced loopers. >Basically what Im after is a circuit that:: > >*Samples a raw audio signal, of maximum 6 seconds, starting when the signal >commences and finishing when the signal stops. >*Instantanious, continuous looping of this sample until another is >introduced. >*A mute feature of some description. (ON/OFF/ON) >*Low price. > >Each unit is going to be separated, so 1 stand alone product is not an >option as far as I can see. I have some experience building my own >electronic devices, so a reasonably easy schematic of a circuit for such a >device would be OK. > >If anyone knows of a product or indeed can give ANY information about what I >require, I would be eternally grateful. >Sorry if any of the terminology is incorrect or confusing. >Thankyou >Nathan Thompson > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 13:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06312; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:27:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:27:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c1bd60$a9703de0$a7065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #257 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:25:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #257 February 21, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. These artists will be featured at the Manikin Marathon in April, a 36 hour concert celebrating ten years of the Manikin label. The Featured CD at midnight was "Drei" by Broekhuis, Keller and Schönwälder on the Manikin label. The vinyl show starter was "Green Ray" by Zanov on the Polydor label. Keller, Schönwälder, and Friends http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#feb PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Zanov Green Ray Green Ray (Polydor) Kubusschnitt Bicubic The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Orbital Decay at Soundscapes #1 2/16/02 exerpt from minidisc Amir Baghiri Shouded Skies Bluebox Collection (Arya) Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 1 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) Ashera Warmth We Gaia (none) 12:00 am Broekhuis, Keller & Come and Taste the Band Drei (Manikin) Schönwälder Part Two Broekhuis, Keller & Bologna Parte Uno Drei (Manikin) Schönwälder 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Detlef Keller, Mario Schönwälder, and Friends. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Project Inter.com" by Braun, Broekhuis, Keller & Schönwälder on the Manikin label. Next week's vinyl show starter will be from the LP "New Age of Earth" by Ash Ra Tempel on the Isadora label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 15:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12868; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c1bd72$6cc425c0$a7065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for February, 2002 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:32:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for February, 2002. Shows #254 to #257; 31-January-2002 to 21-February-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Amir Baghiri - Bluebox Collection - Arya Ashera - We Gaia - none Brannan Lane - To Earth and Back - Space for Music Broekhuis, Keller & Schönwälder - Drei - Manikin Craig Padilla - Folding Space and Melting Galaxies - Space for Music Dweller at the Threshold - Ouroborus - Hypnos/Binary Jeff Pearce - The Light Beyond - Hypnos Keller & Schönwälder - The Reason Why - Manikin Kubusschnitt - The Singularity - Neu Harmony Mason Stevens - Luna Waves - Space for Music Mathias Grassow - The Fragrance of Eternal Roses - Arya Nebula Drone - A Long Fade into Virtual Light - Space for Music Robert Carty - Source - Deep Sky Spacecraft - Earthtime Tapestray - Lektronic Soundscapes Steve Roach - Core - Timeroom Editions Steve Roach - Streams and Currents - Projekt Synergy - Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra - Third Contact Various Artists - Syntonic Waves Vol 8 - Spheric Vir Unis - Dreamers at the Edge of Decaying Light - In the Bubble Music Zero Ohms - Atma-Spheric Surfaces - ZOP Opus Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://www.tadream.net/soundscapes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 17:48:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20652; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:46:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:46:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:51:37 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1bd8e$32f1d600$4169580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1gtikC.A.GCF.j0We8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snipolianna~ -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) >----- Original Message ----- >From: >> i hope the N.Y. loop event turns out to be a roaring success and that it>> continues to grow.....:)m >It was great. Six hours of almost continuous looping. >I did two solo sets (microtonal guitar) where I was joined at the end >by Tom Ritchford (overtone singing). Right before the end >of the evening I joined with Tom, Pedro Felix (insane electric >gtr.) and Lena Strayhorn (jaw harp) for a crazy dense jam. >Pedro Felix brought a milk crate of eq. He's modded various >pieces of equipment for switches. With a Steinberger >in hand, he'll play a few chords and then touch a cable >he's holding in his right hand and the whole sample will >speed up a few octaves. He let's go of the tip of the cable, >the loop stops, he plays another few riffs and then there's >some more mayhem or electronic wierdness. When he started his >set I thought he was just testing his eq - silly me! David - thanks. i always start when i play and keep messing around. I think Theresa was the only person in the room who knew that about me anyway. the rack had two delays, a fixed wah (III+) and boost pedal. but i think i'll bring an edp next time to play some of my more, ehhumm, legitimate looping sounds. but i will still be tweaking like a mo'fo. I actually had a great time yesterday. this was the first time i had played out in over a year and long overdue for me. i plan on getting there earlier next week. Both Tom and Stv were really cool and accomidating. I hope to get to hear more of you next week. were/are you also playing there wed.? as to my performance, i was somewhere else, i'm usually a little more coaxing when it comes to my sonic approach, but i was all jazzed up from the chai and the talk with you, et al. I was just grinning and playing that it really felt about a minute had only lapsed when i stepped down. for me that's a good sign, so i was really happy to have some folks hear some of the music i create. >There was also a fellow with a wig that >had hair that covered his entire head, including his face, >he played ebow gtr., rocky-yet a very electronic vibe. Who >was this head of hair? ;) man, he was alright. Citizen Peter or something along those lines. he was all sound on, very aggresive. >It was also great to meet fellow LD members, including the legendary>Dr T. - come back and join with us in looping next week in the Far East>Village. yeah sure was. Dr. T is really cool also, very down with sound. >>I'll be back, folks were very nice and complementary about my >microtonal gtr playing. I think I'll also bring my fretless gtr., >but not my POD. Maybe I'll drop kick it off of my balcony >in the morning. Next week I'll be using a tube pre amp! > >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > sweet. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC - 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 18:25:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23713; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015201c1bd8a$724d7560$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <01c1bd8e$32f1d600$4169580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:24:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I actually had a great time yesterday. this was the first time i had played > out in over a year and long overdue for me. i plan on getting there earlier > next week. Both Tom and Stv were really cool and accomidating. I hope to get > to hear more of you next week. were/are you also playing there wed.? I'll be there next week. We talked about Wed., but nothing solid. > >There was also a fellow with a wig that > >had hair that covered his entire head, including his face, > >he played ebow gtr., rocky-yet a very electronic vibe. Who > >was this head of hair? ;) > > man, he was alright. Citizen Peter or something along those lines. he was > all sound on, very aggresive. I wasn't dissing him! I just wanted to know who he was. Pretty innovative wig... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 18:37:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24560; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:33:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:33:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:32:52 EST Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f6.16fa3abd.29aad224_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <6OWw4D.A.T_F.GhXe8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f6.16fa3abd.29aad224_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/23/02 9:37:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, db@biink.com writes: > It was great. Six hours of almost continuous looping. > fantastic.....cant wait to bop on up and catch a saturday.....please keep us posted as to who is going to play and when.....congrats on a great start.....:)m --part1_f6.16fa3abd.29aad224_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/23/02 9:37:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, db@biink.com writes:


It was great. Six hours of almost continuous looping.


fantastic.....cant wait to bop on up and catch a saturday.....please keep us posted as to who is going to play and when.....congrats on a great start.....:)m --part1_f6.16fa3abd.29aad224_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 18:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25536; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:44:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:44:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:49:57 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1bd96$592f4a20$4169580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snigs~ -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) >I wasn't dissing him! I just wanted to know who he was. >Pretty innovative wig... >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley none taken. he is a trip. after the show, we all went out for chow. he and i sat and yapped it up. Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 19:05:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27411; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:04:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:04:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cc01c1bd90$22331d40$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <01c1bd96$592f4a20$4169580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:05:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" > > >I wasn't dissing him! I just wanted to know who he was. > >Pretty innovative wig... > > none taken. he is a trip. after the show, we all went out for chow. he and i > sat and yapped it up. > Pedro Did he take the wig off to eat? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 24 22:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05073; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:00:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:00:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:06:15 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1bdb1$c4ff20c0$4169580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snizz~ -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) >> none taken. he is a trip. after the show, we all went out for chow. he and>i>> sat and yapped it up. >> Pedro > >Did he take the wig off to eat? >>* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > yar. not sure exectly why, but he mentioned something about being in hiding. he was also a Green party candidate for NYC mayor. just goes to show, huh? i've just spent the last four or so hours working my EDP chops back up, should be fun on Sat. do you use any other loopers other than the RC-20 and dl4? br, Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 04:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27284; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:35:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:37:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0266_01C1BDE8.6C3D65F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2002 09:34:39.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5632760:01C1BDDF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C1BDE8.6C3D65F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question to all you repeater users with the Behringer 1010 footpedal. Im = just useing the little digitech switch at present, mainly a space thing, = hardly anymore room on the floor for more pedals. My regular sounds are from a roland gp16 which has it own floor pedal = (Fc100mkII). Now question is: If I got the Behringer, could I use it for A) everything on the = repeater AND B) flick a switch/pedal and use it to select patches on = the GP16 as well? cos if I got it I would want to throw out the = FC100mkII, I aint sure I would but the Behringer pedal JUST for the = repeater, I mean it WORKS right now, just have to use fingers on rack = occasionally! (but to change tracks on repeater or goto next loop via = the floor would be nice) MArk Red ------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C1BDE8.6C3D65F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Question to all you repeater users with = the=20 Behringer 1010 footpedal. Im just useing the little digitech switch at = present,=20 mainly a space thing, hardly anymore room on the floor for more=20 pedals.
 
My regular sounds are from a roland = gp16 which has=20 it own floor pedal (Fc100mkII).
 
Now question is:
 
 If I got the Behringer, could I = use it for A)=20 everything on the repeater AND  B) flick a switch/pedal and use it = to=20 select patches on the GP16 as well? cos if I got it I would want to = throw out=20 the FC100mkII, I aint sure I would but the Behringer pedal JUST for the=20 repeater, I mean it WORKS right now, just have to use fingers on rack=20 occasionally! (but to change tracks on repeater or goto next loop via = the floor=20 would be nice)
 
MArk Red
------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C1BDE8.6C3D65F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 04:50:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28144; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:49:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.207.15.57] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, rumori@detritus.net Subject: advance notice - Tape Recorder @ ATA - 3/8/02 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:48:15 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2002 09:48:15.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C093730:01C1BDE1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just letting you guys know as soon as I do: I was just invited to bring my Tape Recorder project to a show at Artists Television Access two weeks from now. Syntax Error March 8, 2002; 8 pm ATA - 21st Street @ Valencia, San Francisco www.atasite.org/2002mar08.html Artists Television Access is a space where San Francisco video artists can screen their work. Many of their shows include experimental video works, and occasionally they also bring in bands if they think they fit the theme. My friend Carl Diehl (who provided live video-scratching at my last show) is a volunteer there. Tape Recorder is a project for which I've been collecting city sounds on cassette for the past 18 months. In live shows, I use 3 or 4 handheld tape players as my only instruments to combine and restructure the sounds into rudimentary proto-music. I do not yet know who the other artists and video presenters will be. I'll provide the details as I get them. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 10:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16501; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:49:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <456513506A93D511A37D0008C7CFE8BEB28341@ABNYMX3> From: "Reid, Benjamin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:48:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1BE13.DA096770" Resent-Message-ID: <9enML.A.kAE.Lzle8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BE13.DA096770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Really wanted to make it last Sat but... Is this going to be a recurring gig? What is URL? Thanks, Ben -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) > I actually had a great time yesterday. this was the first time i had played > out in over a year and long overdue for me. i plan on getting there earlier > next week. Both Tom and Stv were really cool and accomidating. I hope to get > to hear more of you next week. were/are you also playing there wed.? I'll be there next week. We talked about Wed., but nothing solid. > >There was also a fellow with a wig that > >had hair that covered his entire head, including his face, > >he played ebow gtr., rocky-yet a very electronic vibe. Who > >was this head of hair? ;) > > man, he was alright. Citizen Peter or something along those lines. he was > all sound on, very aggresive. I wasn't dissing him! I just wanted to know who he was. Pretty innovative wig... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BE13.DA096770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.)

Really wanted to make it last Sat but...

Is this going to be a recurring gig? What is URL?

Thanks,

Ben


-----Original Message-----
From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:25 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.)


> I actually had a great time yesterday. this was the first time i had
played
> out in over a year and long overdue for me. i plan on getting there
earlier
> next week. Both Tom and Stv were really cool and accomidating. I hope to
get
> to hear more of you next week. were/are you also playing there wed.?

I'll be there next week. We talked about Wed., but nothing solid.


> >There was also a fellow with a wig that
> >had hair that covered his entire head, including his face,
> >he played ebow gtr., rocky-yet a very electronic vibe. Who
> >was this head of hair? ;)
>
> man, he was alright. Citizen Peter or something along those lines. he was
> all sound on, very aggresive.

I wasn't dissing him! I just wanted to know who he was.
Pretty innovative wig...


* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BE13.DA096770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 11:01:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18348; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c1be15$a67ec100$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <456513506A93D511A37D0008C7CFE8BEB28341@ABNYMX3> Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:01:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1BDEB.BD2A1320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1BDEB.BD2A1320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck = N.Y.)http://www.loopny.com/ It's happening but I think Tom hasn't updated the site yet. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Reid, Benjamin=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: RE: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Really wanted to make it last Sat but...=20 Is this going to be a recurring gig? What is URL?=20 Thanks,=20 Ben=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1BDEB.BD2A1320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck = N.Y.)
http://www.loopny.com/
 
It's happening but I think Tom hasn't = updated the=20 site yet.
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Reid,=20 Benjamin
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 = 10:48=20 AM
Subject: RE: open loop NY very = happening=20 (was Re: good luck N.Y.)

Really wanted to make it last Sat but...

Is this going to be a recurring gig? What is = URL?

Thanks,

Ben

------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C1BDEB.BD2A1320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 12:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24607; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:28:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200202251728.MAA05021@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > RE: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.)http://www.loopny.com/ The site has all the information, except we need to take down that Feb 23 and emphasize "every Saturday"! It went VERY well and we'll be doing it every Saturday indefinitely! More chat later, my family is here... /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 12:32:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24871; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:31:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:31:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:31:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202251731.MAA05170@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.81.209.235 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1qxnEB.A.QEG.YTne8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >There was also a fellow with a wig that > > >had hair that covered his entire head, including his face, > > >he played ebow gtr., rocky-yet a very electronic vibe. Who > > >was this head of hair? ;) > > > > man, he was alright. Citizen Peter or something along those lines. he was > > all sound on, very aggresive. > > I wasn't dissing him! I just wanted to know who he was. > Pretty innovative wig... This is in fact "Peter Etc." I'm just about to come out with his book, under his real name... contact me offlist if you have the need to know... /t -- Change return success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 13:17:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28328; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <015201c1bd8a$724d7560$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <01c1bd8e$32f1d600$4169580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <015201c1bd8a$724d7560$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:01:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: KUDOS, Re: open loop NY very happening (was Re: good luck N.Y.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dropped in and had a great time Kudos to all involved. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 20:24:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24268; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:20:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:20:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <62.1b76c5c9.29ac3c85@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:19:01 EST Subject: new EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <663ZrB.A.y6F.qKue8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so: i've got a new EDP, w/the gibson brand-name upon it. problem: 100% feedback is *sometimes* 100%, sometimes way less than that --- i can't seem to figure out why: help? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 20:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24504; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:24:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: new EDP question Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:30:10 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1be6d$83617700$0b69580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snip -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: new EDP question >so: >i've got a new EDP, w/the gibson brand-name upon it. >problem: >100% feedback is *sometimes* 100%, sometimes way less than that --->i can't seem to figure out why: >help? >best, >dt / splattercell > try a hard reset. pedal employed? br, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 20:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25024; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <62.1b76c5c9.29ac3c85@aol.com> Subject: Re: new EDP question Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:36:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2002 01:36:56.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[1354F100:01C1BE66] Resent-Message-ID: <2Pwi4C.A.yGG.Xbue8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much is way less? I have had a similar problem with mine - the feedback would be low enough that the signal would slowly diminish. I posted here, and was informed that there the fault would require returning it to the factory, which I have yet to do. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: new EDP question > so: > i've got a new EDP, w/the gibson brand-name upon it. > problem: > 100% feedback is *sometimes* 100%, sometimes way less than that --- > i can't seem to figure out why: > help? > best, > dt / splattercell > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 20:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25511; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:47:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:47:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:46:16 EST Subject: Re: new EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pf, thanks. >try a hard reset. fixes the problem: temporarily. >pedal employed? nope. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 20:50:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25677; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:49:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:49:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.9fab24f.29ac4388@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:48:56 EST Subject: Re: new EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com j-e.b., thanks. >I have had a similar problem with mine - the feedback would be low enough >that the signal would slowly diminish. exactly. though, sometimes it ain't so slow. >I posted here, and was informed >that there the fault would require returning it to the factory, who informed? what factory? when was this --- i'll search the archives..... >which I have >yet to do. dig. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 20:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25837; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:52:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:52:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7AEAD5.231B2117@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:54:29 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new EDP question References: <62.1b76c5c9.29ac3c85@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Cc: jhknicks@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I cant help you on this one, but... I just got a new Gibson EDP too, and the problem I have is that even with silence into the EDP (input disconnected), I get a hiss on the looped audio signal. Anybody else have this problem? Also: if this is not normal, should I be able to send this back to my dealer for an exchange, or do I have to stop gigging for as long as it takes to come back from repair? -Hans Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > so: > i've got a new EDP, w/the gibson brand-name upon it. > problem: > 100% feedback is *sometimes* 100%, sometimes way less than that --- > i can't seem to figure out why: > help? > best, > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 20:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26073; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:56:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:56:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:56:06 -0500 Subject: Re: new EDP question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't have any suggestions and i'm sorry to bash, but leave it up to gibson to mess up a perfectly good thing. fwiw, my edp functions flawlessly. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 21:02:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27406; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:59:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:59:18 -0500 Subject: Re: new EDP question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I just got a new Gibson EDP too, and the problem I have is that even with silence into the EDP (input disconnected), I get a hiss on the looped audio signal. Anybody else have this problem?" me too...i found this out by accident. i just hit record and didn't play. when i hit record again to begin the empty loop, i got a little bit of noise...not quite hiss, much less offensive, but noise none the less. maybe hiss with the treble rolled off... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 21:03:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27524; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:02:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7AED42.E03977F9@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:04:50 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new EDP question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <57sWgB.A.2tG.myue8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sounds digital. And the pitch of the noise can vary between loops. -Hans JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: > > "I just got a new Gibson EDP too, and the problem I > have is that even with silence into the EDP (input > disconnected), I get a hiss on the looped audio > signal. Anybody else have this problem?" > > me too...i found this out by accident. i just hit > record and didn't play. when i hit record again to > begin the empty loop, i got a little bit of > noise...not quite hiss, much less offensive, but noise > none the less. maybe hiss with the treble rolled > off... > > -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 21:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27627; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:03:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:03:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: new EDP question Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:02:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c1be69$b05f8ca0$022f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I think it has always been up to Gibson, only the name on the outside has changed. My EDP from '96 or so does this once in awhile too, where 100% is really like 70%. Depends on the humidity, the planets, the color of my shirt, whatever. Never found a cure. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > i don't have any suggestions and i'm sorry to bash, > but leave it up to gibson to mess up a perfectly good > thing. > > fwiw, my edp functions flawlessly. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 21:08:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28048; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7AED1F.72ABD595@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:04:16 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EDP question References: <62.1b76c5c9.29ac3c85@aol.com> <3C7AEAD5.231B2117@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Hans, > I just got a new Gibson EDP too, and the problem I have is that even > with silence into the EDP (input disconnected), I get a hiss on the > looped audio signal. Anybody else have this problem? I noticed this basic thing a week ago, while doing some dual EDP playing with another user. It was most obvious when the dry/wet balance was all the way to the right (i.e. set to "loop audio only".) Here's the thing: My unit is a 1995 Oberheim model, and my friend's unit is a Gibson edition which he got about two years ago. I only noticed it because he happened to trigger an empty loop with his balance set to loop only... and I've been using my EDP for six and a half years, without ever having noticed it before. So my hunch is, it's a standard thing that's subtle enough to avoid detection most of the time. If you like, I can bring my EDP up to Loopstock, and you can compare the hiss factor therein... Lemme ask you this: do you notice any pronounced hiss when you fire up an initial cycle with an audio signal running into the EDP? Moreso than you recall previously? --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 22:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32594; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:25:59 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: mac laptop set-up In-reply-to: <3C7AED42.E03977F9@ernieball.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8D7248CE-2A68-11D6-B4B7-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, i am thinking of getting an Apple iBook for live use as an instrument (softsynth, sampler, looper/fx). i would like to focus as much as possible on the iBook and have no external gear, since i am thinking of traveling a lot with it. has anyone on the list done looping or live electronic music with their mac laptop? what was the set-up, and do you have any tips or feedback from the experience? i have lots of questions about various things, such as how to route the signal internally and be able to go through various effects, use different apps at once (VST instruments, etc.), and mix it all into a pair of stereo outs. i've been playing with apps like Absynth, ReCycle, Phrazer, Cubase/Logic/ProTools, Reaktor, Koblo, various VST instruments and effects... i basically want to be able to route whatever sampler or softsynth i am playing through effects and also do some triggering and sequencing among the different apps. i mostly do live improv so i prefer triggering different samples manually to sequencing the whole thing, but i would be curious about sequencing also. anwyay, any relevant advice will be appreciated. thanks, jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 22:38:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32293; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:18:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:18:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:17:59 EST Subject: goin to cali for da fest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it looks as if i will not need a ride from la to slo on sat.....in fact my buddy is going to lend me his van for sat and sunday so im in no rush for anything.....if anyone needs a lift please let me know.....do not confuse this with the "reefer van" that i am still waiting for the address of.....fwiw, ill be getting to la on thursday 11:30 am hanging out friday (any ideas?) and off to loopfest about 8-9am sat morn spend the nite in slo and drive back to la sunday and return to pgh monday, ill be footloose and fancy free and listening for that west coast sound!.....yee-hah.....look out n.y. you're next.....i think i can grow to like this flyin for free stuff, they will even take my sorry old ass to europe for free, how cool is that?.....its a shame that i really hate flying and i never leave my house accept to go to work, talk about your classic approach/avoidence conflicts.....fun, fun, fun.....michael k aka :)mnm (the quintupeled chin emoticon) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 22:45:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00897; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:44:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:44:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8D7248CE-2A68-11D6-B4B7-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> References: <3C7AED42.E03977F9@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:46:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: mac laptop set-up Resent-Message-ID: <7spOHB.A.5N.JSwe8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hello, > >i am thinking of getting an Apple iBook for live use as an instrument >(softsynth, sampler, looper/fx). i would like to focus as much as >possible on the iBook and have no external gear, since i am thinking of >traveling a lot with it. has anyone on the list done looping or live >electronic music with their mac laptop? what was the set-up, and do you >have any tips or feedback from the experience? i have lots of questions >about various things, such as how to route the signal internally and be >able to go through various effects, use different apps at once (VST >instruments, etc.), and mix it all into a pair of stereo outs. i've been >playing with apps like Absynth, ReCycle, Phrazer, Cubase/Logic/ProTools, >Reaktor, Koblo, various VST instruments and effects... i basically want >to be able to route whatever sampler or softsynth i am playing through >effects and also do some triggering and sequencing among the different >apps. i mostly do live improv so i prefer triggering different samples >manually to sequencing the whole thing, but i would be curious about >sequencing also. > >anwyay, any relevant advice will be appreciated. > >thanks, >jeff Well, cripes, you've already mentioned most of my bag of tricks, except Digital Perrformer and Max/MSP. But I have those two on two different laptops. On this one, I have DP and Bitheadz' Unity. I've gotten Phrazer to do one or two nice things, tho it is a DEEPLY flawed product. I'm looking forward to radiaL. Native Instruments has the freeware Forumsynth, and jhno's Looper is dandy, even with the play-only version of Max/MSP. And for fun, search out Vocalwriter. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 23:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03602; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020225232454.0160c6c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:24:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: new EDP question In-Reply-To: <62.1b76c5c9.29ac3c85@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt, This sounds like it *might* be the Crystal Codec problem that requires replacing the crystal not (just?) the codec. I found an Analog Kid explaining in the archives after finally searching for 'echoplex;crystal;chip' :) main thread: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200108/msg00006.html extra bits: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200111/msg00592.html hoping this isn't a bum steer, nick Hedewa7 wrote: >so: >i've got a new EDP, w/the gibson brand-name upon it. >problem: >100% feedback is *sometimes* 100%, sometimes way less than that --- >i can't seem to figure out why: >help? >best, >dt / splattercell > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 25 23:47:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04475; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:46:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:46:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:49:59 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: goin to cali for da fest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003f01c1be81$0b44c740$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Subject: goin to cali for da fest >>>> and off to loopfest about 8-9am sat morn spend the nite in slo and drive back to la sunday and return to pgh monday, ill be footloose and fancy free and listening for that west coast sound!.....yee-hah.....look out n.y. you're next.....i think i can grow to like this flyin for free stuff, they will even take my sorry old ass to europe for free, how cool is that?.....its a shame that i really hate flying and i never leave my house accept to go to work, talk about your classic approach/avoidence conflicts.....fun, fun, fun.....michael k aka :)mnm (the quintupeled chin emoticon) About one hour after I announced my schedule conflicts and backed out of this show, I began to seriously regret it! This is gonna be one great get-together. I wish you all the best and wish I could make it down. If something falls through, I'm gonna jump and run to get there! Miko B... aka 8-) mnm as well, but in reverse! (mikoNOTmichael) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 00:40:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07766; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:36:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c1be87$11099e70$bafccd18@oemcomputer> From: "Hans Lindauer" To: References: <62.1b76c5c9.29ac3c85@aol.com> <3C7AEAD5.231B2117@ernieball.com> <3C7AED1F.72ABD595@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: new EDP question Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:33:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I just got a new Gibson EDP too, and the problem I have is that even > > with silence into the EDP (input disconnected), I get a hiss on the > > looped audio signal. Anybody else have this problem? > > I noticed this basic thing a week ago, while doing some dual EDP playing > with another user. It was most obvious when the dry/wet balance was all > the way to the right (i.e. set to "loop audio only".) It's only about half as loud with the mix 50/50 - go figure. > Here's the thing: My unit is a 1995 Oberheim model, and my friend's unit > is a Gibson edition which he got about two years ago. I only noticed it > because he happened to trigger an empty loop with his balance set to > loop only... and I've been using my EDP for six and a half years, > without ever having noticed it before. > > So my hunch is, it's a standard thing that's subtle enough to avoid > detection most of the time. If you like, I can bring my EDP up to > Loopstock, and you can compare the hiss factor therein... Now that I'm off work and back in the lab... There appear to be three components to the noise; one is a standard dirty-audio-type hiss, the second is a high-pitched whine, and the third is a sweep, kind of like a high-frequency test signal. The pitch of the whine changes each time I sample a loop, but is always high - like, for example, a computer fan noise - almost supersonic. It sounds a lot like an idling jet engine from inside the plane (but not as loud). In some loops, beat frequencies are present. Interestingly enough, when I feed the EDP's output back into the input, put on a short (.10s) loop, and hold overdub for 30 second or so, none of the components appear to get any louder. FWIW, before it died, my other, Oberheim-branded EDP (of unknown vintage) was pretty quiet - I never noticed any noise after Shane fixed the hum. > Lemme ask you this: do you notice any pronounced hiss when you fire up > an initial cycle with an audio signal running into the EDP? Moreso than > you recall previously? If I put in a signal at high enough level, it completely masks the noise. When it bothers me, is when I try to start a loop from silence instead of with the drum machines already running, and suddenly we're on the runway waiting to taxi. For somebody used to playing through a Twin Reverb, it's nothing; but it's loud enough to be annoying in this digital age, especially when the rest of my early-80's vintage analog e-Bay bargain rig is almost dead-quiet. I dunno, maybe the whining noise is just me. -Hans > > --Andre > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 02:39:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14064; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:36:45 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: Re: mac laptop set-up In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <95881488-2A8B-11D6-8BAC-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've had trouble with Phrazer too actually... what i really need help with though is a set-up or arrangement for actually running a lig rig on the laptop, and how to "virtually wire" it in the software. for example, say you wanted to use Logic Audio for MIDI sequencing, and triggering samples, etc., and you wanted to be able to stop and start various bits at will. also, you wanted to send the audio output through effects (reverb, delay, etc.) and be able to modify the parameters of those easily live for improv purposes. also, you would have your sound sources of, aside from a few short samples, some soft synths like Absynth and maybe a virtual percussion instrument (perhaps VST). how can you best control all this for the live show? ReWire? do it all through LogicAudio? mb use Cubase, since Logic doesnt have much VST support? -j On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 07:46 PM, just john wrote: >> hello, >> >> i am thinking of getting an Apple iBook for live use as an instrument >> (softsynth, sampler, looper/fx). i would like to focus as much as >> possible on the iBook and have no external gear, since i am thinking of >> traveling a lot with it. has anyone on the list done looping or live >> electronic music with their mac laptop? what was the set-up, and do you >> have any tips or feedback from the experience? i have lots of questions >> about various things, such as how to route the signal internally and be >> able to go through various effects, use different apps at once (VST >> instruments, etc.), and mix it all into a pair of stereo outs. i've >> been >> playing with apps like Absynth, ReCycle, Phrazer, >> Cubase/Logic/ProTools, >> Reaktor, Koblo, various VST instruments and effects... i basically want >> to be able to route whatever sampler or softsynth i am playing through >> effects and also do some triggering and sequencing among the different >> apps. i mostly do live improv so i prefer triggering different samples >> manually to sequencing the whole thing, but i would be curious about >> sequencing also. >> >> anwyay, any relevant advice will be appreciated. >> >> thanks, >> jeff > > Well, cripes, you've already mentioned most of my bag of tricks, except > Digital Perrformer and Max/MSP. But I have those two on two different > laptops. On this one, I have DP and Bitheadz' Unity. I've gotten > Phrazer > to do one or two nice things, tho it is a DEEPLY flawed product. I'm > looking forward to radiaL. Native Instruments has the freeware > Forumsynth, > and jhno's Looper is dandy, even with the play-only version of Max/MSP. > > And for fun, search out Vocalwriter. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 04:15:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20169; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:14:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:14:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:14:15 -0800 From: Jeff Blanding Subject: Re: mac laptop set-up In-reply-to: <95881488-2A8B-11D6-8BAC-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <348D7654-2A99-11D6-AA76-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com instead of "lig rig" there i meant "live rig", sorry On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 11:36 PM, Jeff Blanding wrote: > i've had trouble with Phrazer too actually... > > what i really need help with though is a set-up or arrangement for > actually running a lig rig on the laptop, and how to "virtually wire" > it in the software. for example, say you wanted to use Logic Audio for > MIDI sequencing, and triggering samples, etc., and you wanted to be > able to stop and start various bits at will. also, you wanted to send > the audio output through effects (reverb, delay, etc.) and be able to > modify the parameters of those easily live for improv purposes. also, > you would have your sound sources of, aside from a few short samples, > some soft synths like Absynth and maybe a virtual percussion instrument > (perhaps VST). how can you best control all this for the live show? > ReWire? do it all through LogicAudio? mb use Cubase, since Logic doesnt > have much VST support? > > -j > > > > > On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 07:46 PM, just john wrote: > >>> hello, >>> >>> i am thinking of getting an Apple iBook for live use as an instrument >>> (softsynth, sampler, looper/fx). i would like to focus as much as >>> possible on the iBook and have no external gear, since i am thinking >>> of >>> traveling a lot with it. has anyone on the list done looping or live >>> electronic music with their mac laptop? what was the set-up, and do >>> you >>> have any tips or feedback from the experience? i have lots of >>> questions >>> about various things, such as how to route the signal internally and >>> be >>> able to go through various effects, use different apps at once (VST >>> instruments, etc.), and mix it all into a pair of stereo outs. i've >>> been >>> playing with apps like Absynth, ReCycle, Phrazer, >>> Cubase/Logic/ProTools, >>> Reaktor, Koblo, various VST instruments and effects... i basically >>> want >>> to be able to route whatever sampler or softsynth i am playing through >>> effects and also do some triggering and sequencing among the different >>> apps. i mostly do live improv so i prefer triggering different samples >>> manually to sequencing the whole thing, but i would be curious about >>> sequencing also. >>> >>> anwyay, any relevant advice will be appreciated. >>> >>> thanks, >>> jeff >> >> Well, cripes, you've already mentioned most of my bag of tricks, except >> Digital Perrformer and Max/MSP. But I have those two on two different >> laptops. On this one, I have DP and Bitheadz' Unity. I've gotten >> Phrazer >> to do one or two nice things, tho it is a DEEPLY flawed product. I'm >> looking forward to radiaL. Native Instruments has the freeware >> Forumsynth, >> and jhno's Looper is dandy, even with the play-only version of Max/MSP. >> >> And for fun, search out Vocalwriter. >> --- >> * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * >> >> > > ----- > Jeff Blanding > jeff@modaldub.net > http://www.modaldub.net > > "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the > continent, a part of the main. > If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if > a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine > own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in > mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it > tolls for thee." > - John Donne > > ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 06:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28034; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:50:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:50:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020224051538.88774.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020224051538.88774.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:55:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Roland V-drums/Echoplex Digi Pro ??? 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Got it! Thanks!!!!!!!
Ok, this IS cooler than solo Acoustic...
  Neil Goldstein <ngold@attbi.com> wrote:
All right I'll give it a shot. (maybe if some of us 'laymen' can answer these queries rather than the developers, we'll get Loop 4 sooner :-)

great attitude, I wont even read further, so you get Loop 4 sooner ! ;-)

Thank you
Matthias
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         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 06:54:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28230; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C72960D.5AFD37FD@ernieball.com> References: <3C72960D.5AFD37FD@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:59:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP hardware (2 EDPs) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am still owing a mail about this to the list. I must admit that I did not find the beautifull solution yet. Hans: >I've been trying to work this one out as well. It seems like with the proper >setup, it could be possible to easily switch between mono and >stereo, giving you >the best of both worlds. > >For mono use, I assume the signal will be panned to the center, so >it will feed >each EDP equally, allowing you to use either one (or both) for looping. >For stereo operation, you pan the EDPs hard-left/hard-right at the mixer. Thats it. I have a double pot that does this at once, simple to build into some device like a stereo effect machine after the 2 EDPs, case you dont use a mixer like me. >Now the part I'm not clear about: the MIDI pedal. It seems that you should be >able to program different sets of patches for the three scenarios that I >imagine: > >a. Control EDP #1 only >b. Control EDP #2 only >c. Control EDP #1 & #2 the same time If you have pages on your MIDI pedal, you can make one for each purpose, put the EDPs on different channels and have one page send two notes, one for each channel. Other methods are to send only on one channel and have a Sysex key that changes the MIDIchannel of each unit or switches Control source to make them receptible. Unfortunatly I dont see how to use presets for this since they are channel specific. >d. Separate controls for EDP #1 & EDP &2 separately, but in the same patch This is a bit more complex, because there are functions that you want for both EDPs simultaneously, even if you operate MONO. This is mainly FB and MUTE. Ok, you can switch to c to control those, but for example you may want build on one theme while the other is fading, so you need to have the FB of one unit reduced while you overdub over the other. So on my MIDI unit, i will have FB for both EDPs separately, and for >Here's a idea for patch d: I don't know how deep MIDI footcontrol goes, but >maybe you could make it so that button x starts overdub on EDP #1 until you >press button y, which would then stop overdub on #1 and start it on #2. When >you press the first x again, #1 starts overdubbing and #2 stops. You record >your loops with #1 and #2 both panned to center, pressing buttons x and y >alternately, so it sounds like a mono loop. But then you slowly pan your EDPs >left and right, and ping-ponged loops emerge from mono. It could be a good >trick, I guess. fun idea! >Here's my main concern: will you get an increase in your levels if you try to >record to both EDPs simultaneously and return them both to center on separate >channels; or a drop in level when you try to use a stereo send to only send to >one EDP and then return that EDP to center? Yes, but its not huge and it depends on how the panning happens exactly. > >Mark Hamburg wrote: >> >> Having just gotten the second EDP, I'm still working things out. >> >> What I've done so far is get a cheap AB switch to put between the EFC-7 and >> the EDPs. (A note for anyone else doing this: Spend a little more money than >> I did and get a footswitch with LEDs to tell you which channel is active.) >> >> I suspect that there will be functions that I wish I could get to a little >> more quickly than the AB switch allows -- e.g., dedicated mute switches -- >> but I'm going to have to see how that works out. I'm also positioning my >> rack where I can reach it while playing. >> >> My plan had been to use separate feedback pedals for each unit, but right >> now I'm fighting with the fact that the new unit seems to have trouble with >> my EV-5s even though the old unit works perfectly with them. >> >> Mark >> >> on 2/18/02 11:55 PM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >> >> > I just set up for this again. I had it years ago and was not quite >> > ripe, musically. >> > And just like you, I thought stereo was more important, and now >> > changed my mind. >> > >> > Do you use just one Pedal board, switched? >> > I just feel like having the FB controlled for both simultaneously, > > > sometimes, or Mute, but not Overdub... the solution may be MIDI once >> > again... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 07:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31069; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:42:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:42:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <76.17fee16e.29acdc75@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:41:25 EST Subject: Re: new EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com artists@hazardfactor.com writes: >My EDP from '96 or so does this once in awhile too, >where 100% is really like 70%. Depends on the humidity, the planets, the >color of my shirt, whatever. Never found a cure. i dunno; seems strange to me. this is a 'new' unit, came here directly from gibson (ie, wasn't sitting in the backroom of a store since who-knows-when), made in the uk --- it's odd that yer unit from 1996 has the selfsame virus, no? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 07:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31307; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:49:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:49:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <92.21e92011.29acde27@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:48:39 EST Subject: Re: new EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nick, thanks a bunch; will check it out, posthaste..... best, dt / potatoshell >This sounds like it *might* be the Crystal Codec problem that requires >replacing the crystal not (just?) the codec. I found an Analog Kid >explaining in the archives after finally searching for 'echoplex;crystal;chip' >:) > >main thread: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200108/msg00006.html >extra bits: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200111/msg00592.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 10:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10507; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:13:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:13:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7BA6A8.481FC0@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:15:52 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: new EDP question References: <76.17fee16e.29acdc75@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <6nWSIC.A.yjC.RY6e8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if your feedback pot could be to blame? On my older Oberheim EDP, it used to work perfectly, but now even if I turn the pot WAY down it won't always decay, and when it does it's unpredictable. I'm almost sure it's a bad pot on mine. If your pot has a manufacturing defect, it might not be telling the machine to feedback 100%. I believe an external feedback pedal should let you test this theory, or for an even better test, you can probably just short a cable to the feedback jack. -Hans Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > artists@hazardfactor.com writes: > > >My EDP from '96 or so does this once in awhile too, > >where 100% is really like 70%. Depends on the humidity, the planets, the > >color of my shirt, whatever. Never found a cure. > > i dunno; seems strange to me. > this is a 'new' unit, came here directly from gibson (ie, wasn't sitting in > the backroom of a store since who-knows-when), made in the uk --- it's odd > that yer unit from 1996 has the selfsame virus, no? > best, > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 10:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11478; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:26:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:26:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQEIhDgbwtG+1o0jxTbwq0Dmy9tWAIUXXBuKcz6ExjYlUpDxeLkivqkdXM= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:25:37 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EDP question Message-ID: <6102-3C7BA8F1-3962@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Hans Lindauer" 's message of Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:33:01 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So if I just purchased an EDP from alto-music, what year would it be? When was the last batch of EDP'S manufactured? just curious. Bill/Las Vegas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 11:33:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15512; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:30:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:30:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:26:48 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000001c1bee2$63e8c4d0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BEB0.194FDB70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6cb61.A.EyD.Cg7e8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BEB0.194FDB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have owned an echoplex for about 6 months now and just added a Repeater to the family a few weeks ago. I loop a lot of acoustic guitar, I use the repeater for percussive stuff (slapping, tapping, what have you) and the echoplex for actual guitar "playing". In my current setup the Repeater is the master and the echoplex is synced to it. This works great! But my dilemma is how to mute both Repeater and Echoplex simultaneously. I'm using a Rolls midi Wizard to control the Repeater and I'm using the standard footpedal for the echoplex. My thought is to control the Echoplex by midi and to send it control or program changes through the Repeater from the midi wizard. I have tried this but to no avail. My source # on the echoplex is set to 36 which I assume would then make my Mute control number 36 + 6 = 42. So I tried this, no luck. What am I doing wrong here? Is it possible to control the Echoplex from the Repeater's midi out or would the midi have to be directly hooked to the Echoplex, this would be a problem for syncing since there is only one midi in on the echoplex and I'm using it for sync? I've also tried just hooking the midi wizard straight to the echoplex to get it to mute via a control change. No luck there either, so I'm doing something wrong with the midi controls, any help is greatly appreciated. I have tested the midi wizard as well and it send control changes fine to the Repeater so it isn't the problem. I've been in midi hell the last four days, please help!!! Thanks, Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BEB0.194FDB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have owned an echoplex = for about 6 months now and just added a Repeater to the = family

a few = weeks ago. I loop a lot of acoustic guitar, I use the repeater for percussive stuff (slapping,

tapping= , what have you) and the echoplex for actual guitar = “playing”.

 

In my current setup the Repeater is the master and = the echoplex is synced to it. This works = great!

But my dilemma is how to mute both Repeater and Echoplex simultaneously. I’m using a Rolls = midi

Wizard to control the Repeater and I’m using = the standard footpedal for the echoplex.

 

My thought is to control the Echoplex by midi and to send it control or program changes through = the

Repeater from the midi = wizard. I have tried this but to no avail. My source # on the echoplex is set to 36 which I assume would then make my Mute control number 36 + = 6 =3D 42. So I tried this, no luck…

What am I doing wrong = here?

 

Is it possible to control the Echoplex from the Repeater’s midi out or would the midi have to be directly = hooked

to the = Echoplex, this would be a problem for syncing = since there is only one midi in on the echoplex and = I’m using it for sync?

 

I’ve also tried just hooking the midi wizard = straight to the echoplex to get it to mute via a = control change. No luck there either, so I’m doing something wrong with = the midi controls, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

I have tested the midi wizard as well and it send control changes fine to the Repeater so it = isn’t the problem.

I’ve been in midi hell the last four days, = please help!!!

 

Thanks,

Kevin McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BEB0.194FDB70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 12:14:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18440; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:06:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C729545.5574@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="============_-1197379017==_============" Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:11:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: doublenecks-slightly ot Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1197379017==_============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Scott, Warmouth is probably the only company willing to make a double neck body. Both of my Strats are warmouth Frankenstiens and their work is very good. The neck on my silver strat is a whopping 1 and 7/8 wide with a fat back neck profile, mondo huge! I really like the way it fills my hand and I notice less hand cramping and fatigue and an increase in sustain. Check them out on line and check their thrift shop for bargains. Good luck, Bill --============_-1197379017==_============ Content-Type: application/mac-binhex40; name="Warmoth_Guitar_Products" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Warmoth_Guitar_Products" (This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) :&eGKFQe[G'JJ4h9TG'&b)&"bEf4eBh4c!&956#"06e06!3!!!!!K!!!!!!JDD(4 dF$S[,hGhGbjhBA*YEh4S,Q0[E5pTEQ4PH#jSG'd0!q3!!!: --============_-1197379017==_============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 12:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18558; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:10:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020226171019.748.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: NY dealer question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c1bee2$63e8c4d0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings... in my ever continuing quest to find a machine that can handle what i need...i have set my sights on the repeater. living in new york, i figured it would be easy to find a store or dealer that i can go to to sample out one of these machines and see if it can do what i need, but after making calls to pretty much every location in new york that carries the repeater, the best i have found is a store in new rochelle that i can look at the manual. does anyone know of any dealers in the new york area that actually has one of these set up so that i can scope out its capabilities? or is there any kind soul in new york who would like to show off their stuff and demo a repeater to me? the general reaction that i get when i ask about this machine is that it has a hard drive and i'm assuming that none of the dealers understand how it works. i bought a boss rc-20 that i am currently using, but if the repeater does what i have heard it can do, then i'd like to get rid of my rc-20 and get the repeater, but i only have about a half of a month to do this before i lose my 30 day money back garauntee on the rc-20. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 12:32:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18594; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:11:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:11:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:00:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_027D_01C1BEA4.0FCA1360" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000001c1bee2$63e8c4d0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_027D_01C1BEA4.0FCA1360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently went through what you are going through. You will need to spend money: You need a way to merge the midi OUT from your Repeater and Rolls to the EDP midi in. Midi out from the Repeater will only send out Repeater-originated midi, so the Rolls data isn't going through. You can get a simple midi merge box for $60 or so. A better solution is getting a used MOTU Midi Timepiece which has programmable patches (and midi filtering, etc), so you can have the Repeater slave to EDP also (which I've been using a lot lately, very powerful once you get used to the quirks). I've seen the MTP go on Ebay for $75 or so, just a little more than a new 2 x 2 midi merge box. You can email me privately for more info if you need it. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: plain jane [mailto:info@plainjanemusic.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously I have owned an echoplex for about 6 months now and just added a Repeater to the family a few weeks ago. I loop a lot of acoustic guitar, I use the repeater for percussive stuff (slapping, tapping, what have you) and the echoplex for actual guitar "playing". In my current setup the Repeater is the master and the echoplex is synced to it. This works great! But my dilemma is how to mute both Repeater and Echoplex simultaneously. I 'm using a Rolls midi Wizard to control the Repeater and I'm using the standard footpedal for the echoplex. My thought is to control the Echoplex by midi and to send it control or program changes through the Repeater from the midi wizard. I have tried this but to no avail. My source # on the echoplex is set to 36 which I assume would then make my Mute control number 36 + 6 = 42. So I tried this, no luck. What am I doing wrong here? Is it possible to control the Echoplex from the Repeater's midi out or would the midi have to be directly hooked to the Echoplex, this would be a problem for syncing since there is only one midi in on the echoplex and I'm using it for sync? I've also tried just hooking the midi wizard straight to the echoplex to get it to mute via a control change. No luck there either, so I'm doing something wrong with the midi controls, any help is greatly appreciated. I have tested the midi wizard as well and it send control changes fine to the Repeater so it isn't the problem. I've been in midi hell the last four days, please help!!! Thanks, Kevin McPeak ------=_NextPart_000_027D_01C1BEA4.0FCA1360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 recently went through what you are going through. You will need to spend = money:
 
You=20 need a way to merge the midi OUT from your Repeater and Rolls to the EDP = midi=20 in. Midi out from the Repeater will only send out Repeater-originated = midi, so=20 the Rolls data isn't going through. 
 
You=20 can get a simple midi merge box for $60 or so. A better solution is = getting a=20 used MOTU Midi Timepiece which has programmable patches (and midi = filtering,=20 etc), so you can have the Repeater slave to EDP also (which I've been = using a=20 lot lately, very powerful once you get used to the quirks). I've seen = the MTP go=20 on Ebay for $75 or so, just a little more than a new 2 x 2 midi merge = box.=20
 
You=20 can email me privately for more info if you need it. =
 

Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: plain jane=20 [mailto:info@plainjanemusic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, = 2002=20 8:27 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously

I have owned an echoplex for about 6 months now and just added a = Repeater=20 to the family

a few weeks=20 ago. I loop a lot of acoustic guitar, I use the repeater for = percussive stuff=20 (slapping,

tapping, what=20 have you) and the echoplex for actual = guitar=20 “playing”.

 

In my current setup the = Repeater=20 is the master and the echoplex is synced = to it. This=20 works great!

But my dilemma is how to = mute both=20 Repeater and Echoplex simultaneously. = I’m using a=20 Rolls midi

Wizard to control the = Repeater and=20 I’m using the standard footpedal for = the echoplex.

 

My thought is to control = the Echoplex by midi and to send it control or = program changes=20 through the

Repeater from the midi=20 wizard. I have tried this but = to no=20 avail. My source # on the echoplex is set = to 36=20 which I assume would then make my Mute control number 36 + 6 =3D 42. = So I tried=20 this, no luck…

What am I doing wrong=20 here?

 

Is it possible to = control the=20 Echoplex from the Repeater’s midi = out or would the=20 midi have to be directly hooked

to the Echoplex, this would be a problem for syncing = since there=20 is only one midi in on the echoplex and = I’m using it=20 for sync?

 

I’ve also tried = just hooking the=20 midi wizard straight to the echoplex to = get it to=20 mute via a control change. No luck there either, so I’m doing = something wrong=20 with the midi controls, any help is greatly appreciated.=20

 

I have tested the midi = wizard as=20 well and it send control changes fine to = the Repeater=20 so it isn’t the problem.

I’ve been in midi = hell the last=20 four days, please help!!!

 

Thanks,

Kevin=20 McPeak

------=_NextPart_000_027D_01C1BEA4.0FCA1360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 12:38:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19336; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:30:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:30:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:34:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mr monk (by way of William R. Walker,) Subject: plex repeater rig.. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm going to do a few concerts with phil keaggy (i'll post details later...) and i'm going to re-wire my rack. for the first time i'll have the option of having both the repeater and the plex in the rack ( the plex just back from the repair shop after almost a year there....) anyone want to share their set-up using both? i'm planning on going into the plex (post pedal board) and into the pcm-70, then into the repeater using two stereo pairs of channels... into the two tweed vibrolux amps.... thanks. monk My suggestion to you is to give me your virboluxe amps. But seriously, I just did a set up consoltation for a looper friend and I routed his signal like you are doing,with the exception that the master effect is the last thing in the chain so you have flexability after the fact to change the proccessing of your loops. Give it a shot. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 12:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20124; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: plex repeater rig.. Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mackie 1642 mixer with Aux send 1 to EDP and Aux sends 2 & 3 to Repeater. All instruments patched into the mixer channels, with EDP and Repeater on their own channel as well (with caveat to keep those aux sends at zero :-) In principle, and adapted to what mixer one uses, this seems to be the most versatile patching scheme by consensus. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: mr monk (by way of William R. Walker,) [mailto:monk@fuse.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:34 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: plex repeater rig.. > > > i'm going to do a few concerts with phil keaggy (i'll post > details later...) > and i'm going to re-wire my rack. for the first time i'll have > the option of > having both the repeater and the plex in the rack ( the plex just > back from > the repair shop after almost a year there....) > > anyone want to share their set-up using both? > > i'm planning on going into the plex (post pedal board) and into > the pcm-70, > then into the repeater using two stereo pairs of channels... into the two > tweed vibrolux amps.... > > > thanks. > > > monk > > My suggestion to you is to give me your virboluxe amps. But seriously, I > just did a set up consoltation for a looper friend and I routed his signal > like you are doing,with the exception that the master effect is the last > thing in the chain so you have flexability after the fact to change the > proccessing of your loops. Give it a shot. > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 13:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22009; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:59:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7BCD90.8C453915@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:01:52 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: plex repeater rig.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could also use the Monitor and/or Alt 3/4 sends to go out to the loopers, and save those Aux busses for other stuff. -Hans Neil Goldstein wrote: > > Mackie 1642 mixer with Aux send 1 to EDP and Aux sends 2 & 3 to Repeater. > All instruments patched into the mixer channels, with EDP and Repeater on > their own channel as well (with caveat to keep those aux sends at zero :-) > > In principle, and adapted to what mixer one uses, this seems to be the most > versatile patching scheme by consensus. > > Neil Goldstein > Portland, Oregon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 13:43:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24006; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:45:58 -0800 Subject: Re: new EDP question From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C7AED42.E03977F9@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not that there's time, but do we need a session at Loopstock for not entirely healthy EDPs? David will just have to fly out, I guess. ;-) My problems: * New unit (I've had it only a couple weeks): It really doesn't like the Roland EV-5 as a feedback pedal. My old EDP works just fine with the same pedal. The range was really wierd (to the point of not being usable) but it didn't seem to have as much trouble with my Yamaha expression pedal. For now, I've been driven to using my FC-200 to control my EDPs (a set up that I'm trying to get attuned to before Loopstock). * Old unit (purchased in 1998): I demonstrated last night that having a little too much heat in the rack can result in really bad noises from the EDP. The unit was sitting on top of a Korg AM8000R and my guess is that there just wasn't enough airflow. I've rearranged my rack and I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but I was muttering to myself last night as the problems started that I must be cursed. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 13:47:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24196; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:44:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:44:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:48:54 -0800 Subject: Re: new EDP question From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6102-3C7BA8F1-3962@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/26/02 7:25 AM, William Mcallister at BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net wrote: > So if I just purchased an EDP from alto-music, what year would it be? > When was the last batch of EDP'S manufactured? just curious. Bill/Las > Vegas. > > I think the one I got was built last February (but it's in another room so that's just from memory). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 14:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26037; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:00:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:00:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.2328c894.29ad34f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:59:04 EST Subject: Re: new EDP question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hans, thanks; i'll try it w/a pedal. the problem, here, is (unpredictable) intermittent behaviour. (which is wonderful, *sometimes*!). *-( best, dt / s-c >I wonder if your feedback pot could be to blame? On my older Oberheim >EDP, it used to work perfectly, but now even if I turn the pot WAY down >it won't always decay, and when it does it's unpredictable. I'm almost >sure it's a bad pot on mine. If your pot has a manufacturing defect, it >might not be telling the machine to feedback 100%. > >I believe an external feedback pedal should let you test this theory, or >for an even better test, you can probably just short a cable to the >feedback jack. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 14:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26157; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:02:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:02:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226105120.05303008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:58:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously In-Reply-To: <000001c1bee2$63e8c4d0$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:26 AM 2/26/2002, plain jane wrote: >My thought is to control the Echoplex by midi and to send it control or >program changes through the the echoplex doesn't use program changes to control its functions, so make sure you are not sending those to it. It uses either note on/off or continuous controllers. >I ve also tried just hooking the midi wizard straight to the echoplex to >get it to mute via a control change. No luck there either, so I m doing >something wrong with the midi controls, any help is greatly appreciated. make sure you have midi channel set right, and the echoplex ControlSource parameter set to use continuous controllers. >I have tested the midi wizard as well and it send control changes fine to >the Repeater so it isn t the problem. it could be. I don't know the rolls pedal well, but I always thought it was lacking in some way such that it didn't work with the echoplex. What you'll want is for it to send a continuous controller with some value when you press a switch down, and when you release the switch it should send the same controller with value 0. If it can't do that, then you may want to consider investing in a better pedal than the rolls. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 14:09:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26481; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:06:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: new EDP question Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c1bef8$9ac5b6a0$022f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <6f.2328c894.29ad34f8@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have tried it w and w/o a pedal...about 20% of the time, feedback won't stay at 100% still. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > hans, > thanks; i'll try it w/a pedal. > the problem, here, is (unpredictable) intermittent behaviour. > (which is wonderful, *sometimes*!). *-( best, dt / s-c > > >I wonder if your feedback pot could be to blame? On my > older Oberheim > >EDP, it used to work perfectly, but now even if I turn the > pot WAY down > >it won't always decay, and when it does it's unpredictable. > I'm almost > >sure it's a bad pot on mine. If your pot has a > manufacturing defect, > >it might not be telling the machine to feedback 100%. > > > >I believe an external feedback pedal should let you test > this theory, > >or for an even better test, you can probably just short a > cable to the > >feedback jack. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 14:39:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27289; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:23:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:23:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RE: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:20:29 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000001c1befa$a7718260$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226105120.05303008@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim, yup I get the feeling that the Rolls just isn't going to cut it in the long run. I have been debating on whether to purchase a Yamaha MFC-10 rr a Mitigator RFC-1 (If I can find one). I know the MFC-10 send one CC value when a switch is pressed and another when a switch is released but can the Mitigator do that? Thanks Kevin McPeak -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously At 08:26 AM 2/26/2002, plain jane wrote: >My thought is to control the Echoplex by midi and to send it control or >program changes through the the echoplex doesn't use program changes to control its functions, so make sure you are not sending those to it. It uses either note on/off or continuous controllers. >I ve also tried just hooking the midi wizard straight to the echoplex to >get it to mute via a control change. No luck there either, so I m doing >something wrong with the midi controls, any help is greatly appreciated. make sure you have midi channel set right, and the echoplex ControlSource parameter set to use continuous controllers. >I have tested the midi wizard as well and it send control changes fine to >the Repeater so it isn t the problem. it could be. I don't know the rolls pedal well, but I always thought it was lacking in some way such that it didn't work with the echoplex. What you'll want is for it to send a continuous controller with some value when you press a switch down, and when you release the switch it should send the same controller with value 0. If it can't do that, then you may want to consider investing in a better pedal than the rolls. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 14:50:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28399; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:48:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:48:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020226194759.49354.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Loopstock camping and paranoid phantasies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006101c1bc9b$43dffcb0$bafccd18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be driving down to LoopStock Sat morning in my trusty VW camper, and looking for a camp site close to the venue. Montana de Oro is beautiful and about 15 miles away...searching the web I don't find anything closer. Anyone know of a place to camp closer to the venue? - nothing fancy, just that a shorter post-midnight drive would be nice. I'm self contained, and basically just need a place to park. Paranoid Phantasy - OK, I've almost finished tearing down and rebuilding my 2 (full) racks with the patchbay, EDP, Repeater, etc....But after inspecting all this sexy equipment converging in SLO, I pray the nearly-vanquished-gear-lust-voices-in-me-head won't start haunting me again ;-) stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 15:06:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30444; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7BEA5D.EB8E1515@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:04:45 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock camping and paranoid phantasies References: <20020226194759.49354.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Stephen- I think the Madonna Inn may have campsites. If you want to caravan post-show, it's a straight shot of about 3 miles from my house to Montana de Oro campground. Or you could always just pick a street near the venue. SLO is a college town, after all.... -Hans P.S. Good luck on the gear-lust thing. Stephen wrote: > > I'll be driving down to LoopStock Sat morning in my > trusty VW camper, and looking for a camp site close to > the venue. Montana de Oro is beautiful and about 15 > miles away...searching the web I don't find anything > closer. Anyone know of a place to camp closer to the > venue? - nothing fancy, just that a shorter > post-midnight drive would be nice. I'm self > contained, and basically just need a place to park. > > Paranoid Phantasy - OK, I've almost finished tearing > down and rebuilding my 2 (full) racks with the > patchbay, EDP, Repeater, etc....But after inspecting > all this sexy equipment converging in SLO, I pray the > nearly-vanquished-gear-lust-voices-in-me-head won't > start haunting me again ;-) > > stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 15:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30984; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:05:43 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis To: regis@ratamacue.sounding.com Cc: chicagoidm@yahoogroups.com, chi-improv@yahoogroups.com, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com, silence@metatronpress.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Electroacoustic@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Final Nervous Center Festival of Electronic Music Message-ID: <20020226140543.C12511@ratamacue.sounding.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: <_KQ1rC.A.4jH.Jy-e8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After seven years of hosting experimental Chicago's best, The Nervous Center is closing its doors for good. The end of February marks the last EVER Nervous Center Festival of Electronic Music Craque will be joined by visiting Londoner Vivienne Corringham and Chicagoan Carol Genetti to help send off one of our treasured basements of creak-a-rific improvised music: Wednesday, Feb. 27, 9pm The Nervous Center 4612 N. Lincoln Ave., Chicago with / Craque (samplers and electronics) / Viv Corringham (voice) / Carol Genetti (voice) "Staklo" will also be performing on Wednesday. Also check out the new minimal breakbeat track on http://craque.net - Iceryst Hope to see you at the Festival... m (aka Craque) http://craque.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 15:42:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31620; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:31:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7BF018.A532424A@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:29:12 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [live Looping Broadcast] SeeWhat? on air feb 27 at 24h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I almost forgot to pester you with this: I'm invited to play a 1 h live set in the studio tomorrow night on les "métissages" sur "couleur3" (National Swiss Radio) for you all over the world there is a live streaming of all couleur3 programs at http://www.couleur3.ch/ same day same time heavy loop content with my beloved acoustic/electronic guitars more infos at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=011002174832 Tune in ts gonna be wiiild Claude for you swiss loopers also: march 1 le nouveau monde Fribourg march 8 Rocking chair Vevey march 9 la cave du pianissimo Lausanne march 23 SAS Delemont more TBA soon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 16:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04913; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:55:15 -0500 Subject: protools operator? From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020226140543.C12511@ratamacue.sounding.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-s-NpB.A.CMB.mQAf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for the extremely OT here... i'm producing a record for a semi-famous folkie named David Wilcox and he needs to find someone in the baltimore/DC area who can run a simple protools/protools LE rig for a couple of days for overdubbing some vocals and background vocals. it would be a paid kind of thing. any help would be appreciated. (ps. there are loops on the record...) peace ric hordinski 513.861.1687 -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 17:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07295; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:24:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:24:23 +1100 Subject: Re: mac laptop set-up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Keith Lang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <348D7654-2A99-11D6-AA76-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> Message-Id: <012F66AC-2AA3-11D6-ACA3-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You have checked out "LIVE" by ableton, right?? www.ableton.com It is a great program. Still young, but the best I've seen. It is like the PC's ACID but better, and it is built for live performance, so the music never stops. Radial should be good when it GETS FINISHED. the next version will see it supporting VST instruments, and it does run under OS X as well. Still not sure how to route all that stuff though.....I am doing the same thing, except am starting off with LIVE and some VSTi's. If you were looking at running all those things together, you may consider a powerbook. The problem right now is that OS X has support for everything you want: Eg. say you want to take the audio coming out of Cubase, run it through some more FX (running in a separate program) and then run it all back into LIVE. You could do it in X, the problem is that X only has a few audio apps available for it, and none of the majors - eg Protools Cubase, Logic. (Logics out soon though). I think you maybe need a program to run your FX/VSTis separately. Tell me what you think of LIVE. -Keith On Tuesday, February 26, 2002, at 08:14 PM, Jeff Blanding wrote: > instead of "lig rig" there i meant "live rig", sorry > > > On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 11:36 PM, Jeff Blanding wrote: > >> i've had trouble with Phrazer too actually... >> >> what i really need help with though is a set-up or arrangement for >> actually running a lig rig on the laptop, and how to "virtually wire" >> it in the software. for example, say you wanted to use Logic Audio for >> MIDI sequencing, and triggering samples, etc., and you wanted to be >> able to stop and start various bits at will. also, you wanted to send >> the audio output through effects (reverb, delay, etc.) and be able to >> modify the parameters of those easily live for improv purposes. also, >> you would have your sound sources of, aside from a few short samples, >> some soft synths like Absynth and maybe a virtual percussion >> instrument (perhaps VST). how can you best control all this for the >> live show? ReWire? do it all through LogicAudio? mb use Cubase, since >> Logic doesnt have much VST support? >> >> -j >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 07:46 PM, just john wrote: >> >>>> hello, >>>> >>>> i am thinking of getting an Apple iBook for live use as an instrument >>>> (softsynth, sampler, looper/fx). i would like to focus as much as >>>> possible on the iBook and have no external gear, since i am thinking >>>> of >>>> traveling a lot with it. has anyone on the list done looping or live >>>> electronic music with their mac laptop? what was the set-up, and do >>>> you >>>> have any tips or feedback from the experience? i have lots of >>>> questions >>>> about various things, such as how to route the signal internally and >>>> be >>>> able to go through various effects, use different apps at once (VST >>>> instruments, etc.), and mix it all into a pair of stereo outs. i've >>>> been >>>> playing with apps like Absynth, ReCycle, Phrazer, >>>> Cubase/Logic/ProTools, >>>> Reaktor, Koblo, various VST instruments and effects... i basically >>>> want >>>> to be able to route whatever sampler or softsynth i am playing >>>> through >>>> effects and also do some triggering and sequencing among the >>>> different >>>> apps. i mostly do live improv so i prefer triggering different >>>> samples >>>> manually to sequencing the whole thing, but i would be curious about >>>> sequencing also. >>>> >>>> anwyay, any relevant advice will be appreciated. >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> jeff >>> >>> Well, cripes, you've already mentioned most of my bag of tricks, >>> except >>> Digital Perrformer and Max/MSP. But I have those two on two different >>> laptops. On this one, I have DP and Bitheadz' Unity. I've gotten >>> Phrazer >>> to do one or two nice things, tho it is a DEEPLY flawed product. I'm >>> looking forward to radiaL. Native Instruments has the freeware >>> Forumsynth, >>> and jhno's Looper is dandy, even with the play-only version of >>> Max/MSP. >>> >>> And for fun, search out Vocalwriter. >>> --- >>> * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * >>> >>> >> >> ----- >> Jeff Blanding >> jeff@modaldub.net >> http://www.modaldub.net >> >> "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the >> continent, a part of the main. >> If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if >> a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine >> own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in >> mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it >> tolls for thee." >> - John Donne >> >> > > ----- > Jeff Blanding > jeff@modaldub.net > http://www.modaldub.net > > "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the > continent, a part of the main. > If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if > a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine > own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in > mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it > tolls for thee." > - John Donne > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 17:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08088; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:38:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7C0E5C.D72658FA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:38:19 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NY dealer question References: <20020226171019.748.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you go to www.electrixpro.com you can download a pdf of the manual. The Repeater doesn't really have a hard drive, but it does have 8 megs of ram. I guess in some sense, you could call the CFC drive a hard drive, and it comes with a 16 meg version, upgradable to as much as 256 meg. That's all non volatile memory, except for the 8 meg of hard wired ram. That means, you can cut the power (not during record hopefully...) and turn it back on and your loop is still there. I hope that helps, but if you go to the Looper's Delight site you can read reviews and search the archives for all the info you could ever want. Mark Sottilaro > > > the general reaction that i get when i ask about this > machine is that it has a hard drive and i'm assuming > that none of the dealers understand how it works. i > bought a boss rc-20 that i am currently using, but if > the repeater does what i have heard it can do, then > i'd like to get rid of my rc-20 and get the repeater, > but i only have about a half of a month to do this > before i lose my 30 day money back garauntee on the > rc-20. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 20:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19196; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <20020226171019.748.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com> <3C7C0E5C.D72658FA@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: NY dealer question Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:09:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 01:09:38.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DA45630:01C1BF2B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know if these guys are in you're neck of the woods, but they rock. Alto Music of Orange County Inc. 680 Rt. 211 East Middletown, NY 10940 (845) 692-6922 Alto Music of Dutchess County Inc. 1060 Rt. 9 Bank Plaza Wappinger Falls, NY 12590 (845) 297-0011 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: Re: NY dealer question > If you go to www.electrixpro.com you can download a pdf of the manual. > > The Repeater doesn't really have a hard drive, but it does have 8 megs > of ram. I guess in some sense, you could call the CFC drive a hard > drive, and it comes with a 16 meg version, upgradable to as much as 256 > meg. That's all non volatile memory, except for the 8 meg of hard wired > ram. That means, you can cut the power (not during record hopefully...) > and turn it back on and your loop is still there. > > I hope that helps, but if you go to the Looper's Delight site you can > read reviews and search the archives for all the info you could ever > want. > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > > the general reaction that i get when i ask about this > > machine is that it has a hard drive and i'm assuming > > that none of the dealers understand how it works. i > > bought a boss rc-20 that i am currently using, but if > > the repeater does what i have heard it can do, then > > i'd like to get rid of my rc-20 and get the repeater, > > but i only have about a half of a month to do this > > before i lose my 30 day money back garauntee on the > > rc-20. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 23:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01096; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:45:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:45:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020226234908.0157c130@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:49:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: new EDP question In-Reply-To: References: <3C7AED42.E03977F9@ernieball.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Can you try the new EDP with a regular, passive volume pedal with a mono cable instead of TRS expression pedals? Maybe the newer EDPs are less tolerant? Kim's Echoplex pages recommend the Boss FV-50L pedal while sounding a little surprised that the EV-5 worked: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ1.html#FBpedal http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#feedback To build or modify a pedal for EDP feedback, http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#custom says to use a 20k ohm or greater pot between tip and sleeve. For your old unit, these links might explain heat-induced weirdness. If it is pre-1997 vintage you might need to clip an IC pin http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html and for pre-mid-1998 models, the power supply's voltage regulator can be updated to run much cooler according to http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200012/msg00235.html and http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/199807/msg00036.html hth, Nick Mark Hamburg wrote: >Not that there's time, but do we need a session at Loopstock for not >entirely healthy EDPs? David will just have to fly out, I guess. ;-) > >My problems: > >* New unit (I've had it only a couple weeks): It really doesn't like the >Roland EV-5 as a feedback pedal. My old EDP works just fine with the same >pedal. The range was really wierd (to the point of not being usable) but it >didn't seem to have as much trouble with my Yamaha expression pedal. For >now, I've been driven to using my FC-200 to control my EDPs (a set up that >I'm trying to get attuned to before Loopstock). > >* Old unit (purchased in 1998): I demonstrated last night that having a >little too much heat in the rack can result in really bad noises from the >EDP. The unit was sitting on top of a Korg AM8000R and my guess is that >there just wasn't enough airflow. I've rearranged my rack and I'm keeping my >fingers crossed, but I was muttering to myself last night as the problems >started that I must be cursed. > >Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 26 23:53:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01510; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:52:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:52:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020227045202.91430.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: NY dealer question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ditto. I ordered a DL-4 & a Repeater from them. They were very helpful by phone or email. If I ever decide to get a 2nd EDP, I'll call them first. John --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Don't know if these guys are in you're neck of the > woods, but they rock. > > > Alto Music of Orange County Inc. > 680 Rt. 211 East > Middletown, NY 10940 > (845) 692-6922 > Alto Music of Dutchess County Inc. > 1060 Rt. 9 > Bank Plaza > Wappinger Falls, NY 12590 > (845) 297-0011 ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 00:51:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05541; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:49:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:49:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1BF52.77199D2A" Subject: Mackie 1604 VLZ Mixer for sale Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mackie 1604 VLZ Mixer for sale Thread-Index: AcG/SiTK2VRK/f6gSaa6xXfP5lnrNQABLlDA From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Resent-Message-ID: <2qUwTD.A.cWB.TNHf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BF52.77199D2A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'm thinking about selling a Mackie 1604 VLZ that I recently bought. It's brand new, in box, with warranty card. Totally mint. =20 I made a mistake buying it - it turns out my old 1202 meets my needs just fine. And the 1604 is just way too big for my needs. I need to keep my rig really simple.=20 =20 So I'm selling the 1604 for $750 (firm) plus shipping. I could accept paypal. Let me know if you're interested. I've bought/sold things on ebay - you can look up my feedback by the username wolfereeno. =20 =20 Thanks =20 =20 Bill Wolf Tech Lead Ness Technologies=20 (877)488-7222 http://www.ness-usa.com =20 http://www.billwolf.com =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BF52.77199D2A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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  =00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BF52.77199D2A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 03:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16432; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:52:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:52:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: Loopstock question- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:51:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1bf6b$e4388600$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BF28.D6154600" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BF28.D6154600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys-=20 =20 Just need to see if anyone will have any of the following to share-=20 1) CD Player (We have a portable but if it breaks=85) 2) Stands for 2 modest guitar racks- (Milk crates is wut we gots now) =20 I also need to know if the video projection is still happening- and if so what format will it require? =20 Thanks! =20 Cliff =20 PS- I got a Rane SM82 mixer- anyone have a diagram or description of how to wire the bal faders to act as a second mono send? Their website has nothing I could find. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BF28.D6154600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Just need to see if anyone will have any of the = following to share-

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=A02) Stands for 2 modest guitar racks- (Milk crates = is wut we gots now)

 

I also need to know if the video projection is still happening- and if so what format will it require?

 

Thanks!

 

Cliff

 

PS- I got a Rane SM82 mixer- anyone have a diagram or description of how to wire the bal faders to act as a second mono send? = Their website has nothing I could find.

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1BF28.D6154600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 04:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19170; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:25:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:25:19 EST Subject: RE: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have been debating on whether to purchase a Yamaha MFC-10 > rr a Mitigator RFC-1 (If I can find one). I know the MFC-10 > send one CC value when a switch is pressed and another when a switch is > released but can the Mitigator do that? Thanks Avoid the MFC-10 like the plague. (way too slow for any time sensitive operations, delays of around 70ms in sending messages, and this confirmed by Yamaha UK customer support) maybe think about the Behringer FCB1010, which does Note on/off. I'll be checking one of these out in about a weeks time. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 10:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09263; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:19:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.24.138] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock question- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:18:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 15:18:57.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[13822CF0:01C1BFA2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > >Just need to see if anyone will have any of the following to share- > > 1) CD Player (We have a portable but if it breaks…) Yes I have a portable CD player (discman) and stereo mini/1/4" cable to hook up from headphone jack...I don't use it in my set, but it is always packed in my gig bag....you are welcome to use it. > > 2) Stands for 2 modest guitar racks- (Milk crates is wut we gots now) >I have one amp stand which I use for my four-space rack...it will hold a >six (maybe bigger)..is one of those quik-lok stands for amps/monitors. >Again welcome to use it, tho I will need it for my set. > >I also need to know if the video projection is still happening- and if >so what format will it require? I have two VHS tapes from a show I did called "Almost Solo". Lotsa very cool, if random, images "borrowed" from the Discovery Channel, TLC etc. and edited (professionally)into 7-8 min segements with 30 sec. of black between them....lot of randomized science and nature stuff (for the show I projectsed three of these tapes over 7 different monitors scattered around the stage...and improvised music/loops to it). HAns asked me to bring them along...and I believe he has some stuff of his own, too. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 10:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08948; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:15:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:15:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7CF84A.B21BFB52@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:16:26 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock question- References: <000001c1bf6b$e4388600$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by r2d2.ernieball.com id g1RFDuC04731 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA08925 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Cliff- I'll have a portable CD player at the show, and I'll have as many 2'x4' tables there as I can get ahold of, in case you can't find a more elegant solution for the racks. -Hans >Just need to see if anyone will have any of the following to share- > > 1) CD Player (We have a portable but if it breaks…) > > 2) Stands for 2 modest guitar racks- (Milk crates is wut we gots now) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 10:36:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10138; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:35:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7CFCE0.9734E1AA@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:36:00 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopstock question- References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I missed that question. Yes, the video will still be happening in VHS for sure. Stay tuned for more info.... -Hans > >I also need to know if the video projection is still happening- and if > >so what format will it require? > > I have two VHS tapes from a show I did called "Almost Solo". Lotsa very > cool, if random, images "borrowed" from the Discovery Channel, TLC etc. and > edited (professionally)into 7-8 min segements with 30 sec. of black between > them....lot of randomized science and nature stuff (for the show I > projectsed three of these tapes over 7 different monitors scattered around > the stage...and improvised music/loops to it). HAns asked me to bring them > along...and I believe he has some stuff of his own, too. > > Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 10:41:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10151; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:35:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:35:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:33:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard from a producer out SF way that they are ceasing production of the Repeater. This is really second- or third-hand but I wanted to see if anyone else had heard this. I'm just starting to make use of the box heavily and it'd be a bummer to lose Electrix... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 11:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14853; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:43:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:43:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:43:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopstock question- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200728CC-2BA1-11D6-928C-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA14801 Resent-Message-ID: <8RGZrB.A.gnD.xyQf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah! Video projector! Will there be one? Mark On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 03:18 PM, max valentino wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> Just need to see if anyone will have any of the following to share- >> >> 1) CD Player (We have a portable but if it breaksÖ) > Yes I have a portable CD player (discman) and stereo mini/1/4" cable to > hook up from headphone jack...I don't use it in my set, but it is > always packed in my gig bag....you are welcome to use it. >> >> 2) Stands for 2 modest guitar racks- (Milk crates is wut we gots now) >> I have one amp stand which I use for my four-space rack...it will hold >> a six (maybe bigger)..is one of those quik-lok stands for >> amps/monitors. Again welcome to use it, tho I will need it for my set. >> >> I also need to know if the video projection is still happening- and if >> so what format will it require? > I have two VHS tapes from a show I did called "Almost Solo". Lotsa very > cool, if random, images "borrowed" from the Discovery Channel, TLC etc. > and edited (professionally)into 7-8 min segements with 30 sec. of black > between them....lot of randomized science and nature stuff (for the > show I projectsed three of these tapes over 7 different monitors > scattered around the stage...and improvised music/loops to it). HAns > asked me to bring them along...and I believe he has some stuff of his > own, too. > > Max > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldís largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 11:51:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15215; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:49:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:53:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: LOOPSTOCK Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOOPSTOCK, One Day Of Peace, Love, and Repetition. I can hardly wait, I can hardly wait, I can....... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 11:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15437; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:51:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "plain jane" To: Subject: RE: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:48:30 -0600 Organization: plain jane Message-ID: <000001c1bfae$96551e60$5610d0cf@GEORGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Andy for the heads up on the MFC-10. In regards to the Behringer FCB1010, does anyone know if it is able to mute both Repeater and EDP with one button push. Thanks, kevin -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously > I have been debating on whether to purchase a Yamaha MFC-10 > rr a Mitigator RFC-1 (If I can find one). I know the MFC-10 > send one CC value when a switch is pressed and another when a switch is > released but can the Mitigator do that? Thanks Avoid the MFC-10 like the plague. (way too slow for any time sensitive operations, delays of around 70ms in sending messages, and this confirmed by Yamaha UK customer support) maybe think about the Behringer FCB1010, which does Note on/off. I'll be checking one of these out in about a weeks time. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 12:42:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18920; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:41:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:41:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c1bfb6$04ebcd40$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > I heard from a producer out SF way that they are ceasing > production of the Repeater. > > This is really second- or third-hand but I wanted to see > if anyone else had heard this. I'm just starting to make > use of the box heavily and it'd be a bummer to lose > Electrix... And after hearing you use your's last weekend, I've been thinking about gettting one. Damm! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 12:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19300; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:45:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Before this gets out of hand (in the Internet's typically wonderful way): Production has NOT ceased on Repeater. Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: Tom Ritchford > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: rumour: repeater ceases production?? > > I heard from a producer out SF way that they are ceasing > production of the Repeater. > > This is really second- or third-hand but I wanted to see > if anyone else had heard this. I'm just starting to make > use of the box heavily and it'd be a bummer to lose > Electrix... > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every > Saturday! > http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the > calendar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 12:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19472; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:47:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:47:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:52:31 -0800 Subject: Re: new EDP question From: Mark Hamburg To: , nick douglas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020226234908.0157c130@127.0.0.1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm hoping someone at Loopstock will have an FV-50L (or equivalent) that I can try at some point. I don't have one lying around and I haven't wanted to rush out and get one only to potentially find that it too doesn't work. Thanks for pointing out the items regarding trying to get the unit to run cooler. Heat induced memory errors are distinctly unpleasant sounding. Mark on 2/26/02 8:49 PM, nick douglas at nickd@mindspring.com wrote: > Mark, > Can you try the new EDP with a regular, passive volume pedal with a mono cable > instead of TRS expression pedals? Maybe the newer EDPs are less tolerant? > Kim's Echoplex pages recommend the Boss FV-50L pedal while sounding a little > surprised that the EV-5 worked: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ1.html#FBpedal > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#feedback > > To build or modify a pedal for EDP feedback, > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#custom > says to use a 20k ohm or greater pot between tip and sleeve. > > For your old unit, these links might explain heat-induced weirdness. If it is > pre-1997 vintage you might need to clip an IC pin > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html > and for pre-mid-1998 models, the power supply's voltage regulator can be > updated to run much cooler according to > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200012/msg00235.html and > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/199807/msg00036 > .html > > hth, > Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 12:54:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20083; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:53:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:53:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:51:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Repeater has NOT ceased production (RE: rumour: repeater ceases production??) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Before this gets out of hand (in the Internet's typically wonderful way): >Production has NOT ceased on Repeater. excellent! great. I'll pass the rumour right back the way it came. not meaning to spread evil gossip but it's a "well-known person" as a source. thanks! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 12:54:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20028; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:53:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: rumour: repeater ceases production?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.3 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:59:11 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the other hand I have ceased Reproduction and I do own a repeater-maybe some wires were crossed and the people became confused On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:02 -0800 "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" wrote: > >Before this gets out of hand (in the Internet's typically >wonderful way): >Production has NOT ceased on Repeater. > >Best, Jamie. > > >Jamie Drouin >Visual Designer >Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd >6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > >email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 > voice... 250-544-4114 > > > >> ---------- >> From: Tom Ritchford >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:33 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: rumour: repeater ceases production?? >> >> I heard from a producer out SF way that they are ceasing >> production of the Repeater. >> >> This is really second- or third-hand but I wanted to see >> if anyone else had heard this. I'm just starting to >>make >> use of the box heavily and it'd be a bummer to lose >> Electrix... >> >> /t >> -- >> >> http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": >>shows every >> Saturday! >> http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... >>submit to the >> calendar. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 13:09:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22402; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:05:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c1bfb9$605c4800$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <000001c1bf6b$e4388600$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <3C7CF84A.B21BFB52@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: Loopstock question- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:59:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Loopstock question- > Hi Cliff- > > I'll have a portable CD player at the show, and I'll have as many 2'x4' > tables there as I can get ahold of, in case you can't find a more > elegant solution for the racks. > > -Hans > > > >Just need to see if anyone will have any of the following to share- > > > > 1) CD Player (We have a portable but if it breaks.) > > > > 2) Stands for 2 modest guitar racks- (Milk crates is wut we gots now) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 13:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23026; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:12:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:12:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c1bfba$5f732b10$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <000001c1bfae$96551e60$5610d0cf@GEORGE> Subject: Re: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:12:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes. you use program change messages to toggle mute/unmute of either individual tracks (1-4) or track pairs (1&2, 3&4). i believe you can use midi CCs to mute the echoplex, but i don't have one. check the electrix site www.electrixpro.com for the updated manual http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.pdf it has all of the midi pc/cc messages outlined at the end in the reference section. the behringer will let you send up to 5 program changes and 2 cc messages with one button press. the only drawback is that the midi channels for all of the 5 program changes are set globally, so you could have pc 1 send on channel 1, pc 2 send on channel 2, etc, or any number of them send on the same channel. if you wanted to mute/unmute all four tracks on the repeater, you'd need to send two program changes (pc 25 for 1&2, pc 26 for 3&4). and then send the CC to the edp. if the edp uses the same CC value for mute/unmute toggling, you only need to program one switch to mute/unmute all. hit it once to mute, hit it again to unmute. that would be slick. if the edp does not use the same CC for mute/unmute toggle, you'd need to program two different switch presets on the behringer, one for mute all, one for unmute all. the repeater portion of these presets would be the same for both, the edp CC would be different. hope this helps, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "plain jane" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: RE: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously > Thanks Andy for the heads up on the MFC-10. > > In regards to the Behringer FCB1010, does anyone know if it is able > to mute both Repeater and EDP with one button push. > > Thanks, > kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Muting Repeater & Echoplex Simultaneously > > > I have been debating on whether to purchase a Yamaha MFC-10 > > rr a Mitigator RFC-1 (If I can find one). I know the MFC-10 > > send one CC value when a switch is pressed and another when a switch > is > > released but can the Mitigator do that? Thanks > > Avoid the MFC-10 like the plague. > (way too slow for any time sensitive operations, delays of around 70ms > in > sending messages, and this confirmed by Yamaha UK customer support) > > maybe think about the Behringer FCB1010, which does Note on/off. > I'll be checking one of these out in about a weeks time. > > Andy Butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 13:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23335; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:16:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:16:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c1bfba$e4cf7cf0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <000001c1bf6b$e4388600$6401a8c0@we.client2.attbi.com> <3C7CF84A.B21BFB52@ernieball.com> <006c01c1bfb9$605c4800$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:16:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so, hans or other people: has anyone offered to bring dat or what have you to record the show? is this cool with all the performers? love, mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 13:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23371; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:16:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:16:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7D22E9.C4E45EA3@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:18:17 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Loopstock Official Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Paul Andreano , Daniel Seymour , Rick Walker , Max Valentino , Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , Steven Rice , Stan Card , Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro , Mark Hamburg , Richard Zvonar , Bill Walker , "io777@iname.com" , "Cliff@BienAppraisers" , Jon Wagner , Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Kim Flint Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I wanted to try to get a message out before everyone begins their journeys to Loopstock. Everything's coming together quite well, and I'll be glad to finally have this thing actually happen. Thanks to everybody for all your support and encouragement - it's made this a very rewarding task already. The buzz is going around town, so I think this may be a relatively well-attended event, aside from all of the loopers there. I've placed a link to Mapquest maps and driving directions on http://www.armatronix.com which should get get you there from basically anywhere. If you know the town, you'll probably know a better way to get here, but otherwise here are the simplest directions once you reach San Luis Obispo: >From the north on U.S. Hwy. 101: Get off on the Broad St. exit. Make the next three immediate rights (after the off-ramp) and then the next left. This will put you on the other side of the freeway back onto Broad Street. Follow the directions below. >From the south on U.S. Hwy. 101: Get of on the Broad Street exit. At the Mission Plaza, jog right then left to stay on Broad. Drive Southeast on Broad approximately three miles until you see a Mitsubishi dealership on the left. The next street after the dealership is Francis Street. I'll put balloons up on the street sign to make it easy to spot. Make a left on Francis and park. The venue will be on the left side of middle of the first block. Please arrive by 2:00 p.m. There's no need to come early, because there will be a dance class in session. However, I would like everyone to be there at 2:00 so we can get started immediately. Once again, the performance schedule: (I guess everybody's satisfied with their time slot - THANK YOU!) 2:00-2:30 Set-up and socialize 2:40-3:10 Stanitarium (Stan Card) 3:20-3:50 Steven Rice 4:00-4:30 Mark Hamburg 4:40-5:10 Sleeping (Mark Sottilaro, Valerie Hilligan & Katrin Schenk) 5:20-5:50 Jon Wagner 6:00-6:30 Matthias Grob 6:30-7:00 Break 7:00-7:30 Rich Atkinson & Cliff Novey 7:40-8:10 Max Valentino 8:20-8:50 Dr. Richard Zvonar 9:00-9:30 Rick Walker's Loop.pooL 9:40-10:10 Ted Killian w/ Dr. Bob Sterling 10:20-10:50 Tom Heasley 11:00-11:30 Bill Walker 11:40-12:10 armatronix (Hans Lindauer & Daniel Seymour) If you think you may need more than 30 minutes to set up, please plan on starting early. There will be a video projector (maybe two). Please bring a video for your set if you have something that you want playing behind you. I prefer VHS format, but if you have a DVD, I can borrow a player (please let me know). We can also accommodate a laptop with an S-Video or RCA output. If you don't have anything, we'll take care of it. If you don't want video, we can do that too. I'll have folding tables available for you to use for gear during your set. Is anybody other than Mike LaMeyer planning on taping? It would be nice to have some redundancy there, for posterity. CT-Loopstock? For anybody around on Friday night looking for something to do, Armatronix will be using live loops to Battle the Cut Devils' pre-recorded loops at Sweet Springs Saloon. At the door, the secret Looper's code to get in free is the "L" on your forehead with your thumb and forefinger. Please let me know if you need directions to the venue. I'm sure there's plenty more that you'll need to know, but I can't think of anything else right now, so I'll turn it over for discussion. After Thursday afternoon, the best way to get ahold of me with last-minute things is by calling (805)534-1009. Please travel safely, and I'll see you all very soon, -Hans Lindauer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 13:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24880; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:43:31 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Boston gig spam > david goodrich w/dosage > zeitgeist 3/3/02 X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, folks. A focus on loop at this Sunday's "sketchpad" at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge. Ambient cinema-jazz from David Goodrich, and improvised psychedelic noise from dosage, both looping on their Line 6 DL4's. And a looper-jam between the two, to follow! ------------------------------------------ a.i.m. is proud to present, as part of the ongoing new music series "the Sketchpad" at the Zeitgeist Gallery.... David Goodrich -- guitar & looping Sunday, February 3rd, 8:00 pm Zeitgeist Gallery 312 Broadway (at Norfolk) Cambridge, MA (outside Central Sq.) $6, all ages w/ dosage (guitar, loops, & noise) and a loop-heavy jam session! David "Goody" Goodrich is an acclaimed guitarist and composer, well known for his involvement with the legendary Boston outfit Groovasaurus, and a highly regarded accompanist, writer, and producer in a wide variety of settings, from funk to film music to singer-songwriter pop. His first solo release, "Failure of the Doping Summit," is a reflective guitar-centric trip through a subtle lo-fi landscape, alive with movement and thick with ambient textures. >From a Folkweb.com review of the album: "A recording of improvisation-based electric and acoustic music, the album moves through a varying aural landscape characteristic of Goody's distinctively intuitive and evocative sound. An essentially jazz adventure, 'Failure' is influenced by ethnic strains of African, blues and surrealist traditions; it is moody, eerie, joyous, dark. It is cinephonic vibe." Goody's musical vision was shaped during his years at the Berklee College of Music, where he studied with Joe Henderson and Pat Metheny. With Groovasaurus he became a fixture on the Boston concert scene, with the band winning back-to-back Boston Music Awards in 1996 & 1997, and Boston Magazine's Best of Boston 1998. He is currently co-writing, performing & producing with award-winning artist Peter Mulvey, recording and performing with highly acclaimed singer/songwriter Rose Polenzani, and continuing to work as a solo performer, recently opening for Marc Ribot at Johnny D's. dosage is a Boston-based ambient/noise artist, whose music uses a two-string baritone guitar, electricity, and 60-cycle hum as source material for improvised, loop-based, psychedelic noise. http://aim.telepathyrecords.com/dosage a.i.m. is a newly-launched freeform collective dedicated to the advancement of fringe independent music, and the deconstruction of the stagnant commercial mainstream. The "sketchpad" series at the Zeitgeist Gallery will present artists from genres such as ambient, noise, free-improv, loop, IDM, and sonic art. The series will occur on the first & third Sunday of every month. a.i.m. is a subsidiary of the Boston-based indie label Telepathy Records. http://aim.telepathyrecords.com Peace! +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Telepathy Records (617) 504-8278 P.O. Box 230484 info@telepathyrecords.com Boston, MA 02123 www.telepathyrecords.com To subscribe to our list write to +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 14:31:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29144; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013501c1bfc4$9ea65280$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:26:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Jon, looks like replies to my posts are still going only to me. sorry! have to try to fix that ... i remember a flurry of posts some time back concerning this, couldn't find the one i need in the archive. will keep looking (when i have time), but if anyone knows offhand how to do this with OE, i'd be grateful for a clue. as far as the tape thing, i can bring tapes and was considering bringing a deck too, but if you've got one, i won't bother packing it, just the tapes. i'll be happy to assist with taping, but i'd prefer to rotate the duty with others if possible so that no one person is stuck babysitting. anyone else want to help? mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wagner" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording > It sounds like only Michael has volunteered to tape. So, I'll bring my > DA-P1, and a few DATs, but I don't think I have enough tapes to get the > whole 10 hours, nor do I want to be "the guy running the tape". I think > we'll work out how to get the whole thing on tape somehow... > Jon > > > >From: "Michael LaMeyer" > >Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:16:36 -0500 > > > >so, hans or other people: > > > >has anyone offered to bring dat or what have you to record the > >show? > > > >is this cool with all the performers? > > > >love, > > > >mike > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 14:32:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29804; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:31:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:31:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7D3524.BED4B2D@gis.net> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:36:03 -0500 From: blue alien Organization: blue alien house inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mac laptop set-up References: <012F66AC-2AA3-11D6-ACA3-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Been using a similar setup for just over a week. After much grief, I think it's up and running smoothly. Haven't yet tried it in a live setting. I think I'll get my footing a little first. Running LIVE/LOGIC/REASON on Tibook400 w/512MB. If you plan on using the multiple apps approach I would strongly suggest the Tibook. Most users say the 500Mhz is the best for audio but my 400 seems to do the trick and I think it was alot cheaper. I could use more RAM but get along fine w/512. Live seems to have the best rewire implementation so I import the audio via rewire from Reason into Live on one channel and then create a digital loop on the 828 to import Live's audio into Logic. To set up this rewire mode just launch Liver first, then Logic, then Reason. This enabels you to do all the sequencing in Logic. I've had three problems that no one has responded about. Sometimes certain channels in Live get frozen and their play buttons flash like their paused. So far I can't figure out how to remedy this situation other than changing/switching ASIO channels or switching from one app back to another. Still doing tests in the studio. I've never seen Live have this prob running on it's own. Far less serious, Reason sometimes reports midi overload messages during certain operations (i.e. start stop) of the Logic sequencer. All audio and midi keep functioning but it's still annoying and I've been trouble shooting for days with no positive results. Seems to happen even when no midi is sent to Reason There seems to be a bug in Live, so that the preference for the pre-listen audio channel is not saved. I'm using ASIO and have to set the channel each time I boot Live. Live is beautiful and revolutionary. Great user interface, nice effects routing implementation. Might take a minute before it's as reliable as a six string guitar:-) regards, chems -- _____________________________________________ blue alien house inc. http://www.galaxymall.com/site/bluealienhouse an interstellar media-arts collective _____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 14:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30528; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:36:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:36:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:36:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 19:36:12.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[0324AE90:01C1BFC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey Jon, looks like replies to my posts are still going only to >me. sorry! My BAD! I've got to learn to look at the header before the send button... Anyway, I think we'll be able to round up some volunteers to take turns keeping an eye on the deck. It should just be a matter of changing tapes at the right time once we set the levels. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 14:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30805; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:39:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:39:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c1bfc6$6f497740$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <013501c1bfc4$9ea65280$6445230a@melon> Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:39:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will be bringing a MD recorder if anyone wants to bring some blank discs- new discs only please- I am hoping to get a stereo out from the board which will sound great- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording > hey Jon, looks like replies to my posts are still going only to > me. sorry! have to try to fix that ... i remember a flurry of > posts some time back concerning this, couldn't find the one i > need in the archive. will keep looking (when i have time), but > if anyone knows offhand how to do this with OE, i'd be grateful > for a clue. > > as far as the tape thing, i can bring tapes and was considering > bringing a deck too, but if you've got one, i won't bother > packing it, just the tapes. i'll be happy to assist with > taping, but i'd prefer to rotate the duty with others if > possible so that no one person is stuck babysitting. anyone > else want to help? > > mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Wagner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording > > > > It sounds like only Michael has volunteered to tape. So, I'll > bring my > > DA-P1, and a few DATs, but I don't think I have enough tapes > to get the > > whole 10 hours, nor do I want to be "the guy running the > tape". I think > > we'll work out how to get the whole thing on tape somehow... > > Jon > > > > > > >From: "Michael LaMeyer" > > >Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Loopstock question - recording > > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:16:36 -0500 > > > > > >so, hans or other people: > > > > > >has anyone offered to bring dat or what have you to record > the > > >show? > > > > > >is this cool with all the performers? > > > > > >love, > > > > > >mike > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > _ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 15:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03635; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:49:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:49:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:49:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: LOOPSTOCK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >LOOPSTOCK, One Day Of Peace, Love, and Repetition. > I can hardly wait, I can hardly wait, I can....... >Bill what??? man, i only got into this thing for the chicks! if the babe count is minimal and we're all sitting around doing some hippy dippy lovey-dovey thang... well, i'm going to be pretty disappointed, for one. bring on the groupies!!!! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 16:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05572; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:07:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:07:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:05:54 -0800 Subject: Re: new EDP question From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey mark-i have a is that the same thing? i can bring it if it is. s > I'm hoping someone at Loopstock will have an FV-50L (or equivalent) that I > can try at some point. I don't have one lying around and I haven't wanted to > rush out and get one only to potentially find that it too doesn't work. > > Thanks for pointing out the items regarding trying to get the unit to run > cooler. Heat induced memory errors are distinctly unpleasant sounding. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 16:37:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07065; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:35:22 +1100 Subject: Re: mac laptop set-up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Keith Lang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C7D3524.BED4B2D@gis.net> Message-Id: <5269F9DD-2B65-11D6-BAC5-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chems, Tell us how you go when you perform live. (LIVE?) What sort of music do you make with that setup, ie do you record live loops at gigs? This question applies to everyone, How do people cope with hi-levels when trying to record a loop at a gig... electric instruments are fine, but how about anything else like sax or vox? thanks -Keith On Thursday, February 28, 2002, at 06:36 AM, blue alien wrote: > Been using a similar setup for just over a week. After much grief, I > think it's up and running smoothly. Haven't yet tried it in a live > setting. I think I'll get my footing a little first. > > Running LIVE/LOGIC/REASON on Tibook400 w/512MB. If you plan on using > the multiple apps approach I would strongly suggest the Tibook. Most > users say the 500Mhz is the best for audio but my 400 seems to do the > trick and I think it was alot cheaper. I could use more RAM but get > along fine w/512. > > Live seems to have the best rewire implementation so I import the > audio > via rewire from Reason into Live on one channel and then create a > digital loop on the 828 to import Live's audio into Logic. To set up > this rewire mode just launch Liver first, then Logic, then Reason. This > enabels you to do all the sequencing in Logic. > > I've had three problems that no one has responded about. Sometimes > certain channels in Live get frozen and their play buttons flash like > their paused. So far I can't figure out how to remedy this situation > other than changing/switching ASIO channels or switching from one app > back to another. Still doing tests in the studio. I've never seen Live > have this prob running on it's own. > > Far less serious, Reason sometimes reports midi overload messages > during certain operations (i.e. start stop) of the Logic sequencer. All > audio and midi keep functioning but it's still annoying and I've been > trouble shooting for days with no positive results. Seems to happen > even when no midi is sent to Reason > > There seems to be a bug in Live, so that the preference for the > pre-listen audio channel is not saved. I'm using ASIO and have to set > the channel each time I boot Live. > > Live is beautiful and revolutionary. Great user interface, nice > effects routing implementation. Might take a minute before it's as > reliable as a six string guitar:-) > > regards, > > chems > > -- > _____________________________________________ > blue alien house inc. > http://www.galaxymall.com/site/bluealienhouse > an interstellar media-arts collective > _____________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 16:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07579; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:44:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.985d04d.29aeace1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:42:57 EST Subject: Re: Loopstock Official Update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16f.985d04d.29aeace1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16f.985d04d.29aeace1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/02 1:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes: > Is anybody other than Mike LaMeyer planning on taping? It would be nice > to have some redundancy there, for posterity. CT-Loopstock? > what a great idea!.....even though i can not record at the event, i would be more than happy to work on getting a CT-LOOPSTOCK CD set done.....we will talk!......by the by, anyone that has cds of their own tunes, please bring them, i would like to bring a lot-o-music back home with me.....dont we have some film-makers on board, LOOPSTOCK THE VCR, ill buy or barter for one site unseen!.....im starting to shake!.....see ya.....michael klobuchar --part1_16f.985d04d.29aeace1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/02 1:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, hans@ernieball.com writes:


Is anybody other than Mike LaMeyer planning on taping?  It would be nice
to have some redundancy there, for posterity.  CT-Loopstock?


what a great idea!.....even though i can not record at the event, i would be more than happy to work on getting a CT-LOOPSTOCK CD set done.....we will talk!......by the by, anyone that has cds of their own tunes, please bring them, i would like to bring a lot-o-music back home with me.....dont we have some film-makers on board, LOOPSTOCK THE VCR, ill buy or barter for one site unseen!.....im starting to shake!.....see ya.....michael klobuchar --part1_16f.985d04d.29aeace1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 17:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10066; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:00:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:00:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Authentication-Warning: correo.unam.mx: nobody set sender to smaug@servidor.unam.mx using -f To: Subject: Loopstock recordings??? Message-ID: <1014847289.3c7d573983517@www.correo.unam.mx> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:01:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0-pre12 X-Originating-IP: 212.198.0.93 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope this event gets recorded for the rest of us loopers who cant't actually be there... I'd gladly buy a CDR of the event... A+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 17:31:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11924; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:30:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.21.230] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock Official Update Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:29:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 22:29:57.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[495E0D30:01C1BFDE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone PLEASE tape it!! It's OK with me..provided I get a copy! I am bringing ample copies of my new CD, "A Caravan Of Dreams" for sale...and a few gifts for my fellow loopers. BTW I have some mp3s up of 3 tunes from the CD. www.mp3.com/max_valentino check them out and let me know what you think. Max >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Loopstock Official Update >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:42:57 EST > >In a message dated 2/27/02 1:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, >hans@ernieball.com writes: > > > > Is anybody other than Mike LaMeyer planning on taping? It would be nice > > to have some redundancy there, for posterity. CT-Loopstock? > > > >what a great idea!.....even though i can not record at the event, i would >be >more than happy to work on getting a CT-LOOPSTOCK CD set done.....we will >talk!......by the by, anyone that has cds of their own tunes, please bring >them, i would like to bring a lot-o-music back home with me.....dont we >have >some film-makers on board, LOOPSTOCK THE VCR, ill buy or barter for one >site >unseen!.....im starting to shake!.....see ya.....michael klobuchar _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 18:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16991; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:30:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:35:09 -0800 Subject: OT: Equipment for sale From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm still clearing out my studio of unused or significantly underused equipment. Since I may be seeing several of you at Loopstock that might be a convenient time to do a transfer if anyone is interested. Here's the list: Roland VS880 (V Expanded) + VSF-1 effects board. Manuals. TurboStart video. (I probably have the box if you want it.) $500 + shipping (if we can't just do it via physical exchange) Lexicon PCM-70, version 3 software, manual, essentially home studio use only. $650 + shipping Roland GP-100 COSM guitar preamp and multi-effects box. Lots of effects at once. Lots of options for MIDI control. Slight dent in the top of the unit (I bought it used so I don't know the history on that) but overall in good condition. Includes manual. $300 + shipping. If I need to bring any of these items to SLO, please let me know by Thursday night. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 19:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20085; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:15:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.125.101.249] From: "Stick Center News" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?1=BA_Stick_Center_in_Spain?= Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:15:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C1BFF5.5EB816A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 00:14:22.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF92C710:01C1BFEC] Resent-Message-ID: <7el1hD.A.g5E.9ZXf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C1BFF5.5EB816A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1=BA CENTRO DE STICKISTAS EN ESPA=D1A www.stickcenter.com=20 (see english version below) =20 El Stickista Guillermo Cides presenta el 1=BA Centro de Stickistas en = Espa=F1a. El que fuera responsable de la difusion y popularidad del = Stick en Argentina a traves del mismo Centro, comienza ahora un nuevo = trabajo de promocion, ense=F1anza y conciertos en el pais de Espa=F1a. = El Stick es una mezcla de bajo y guitarra, que se ejecuta con una logica = pianistica, y que se golpetea con los dedos de ambas manos (tapping) = transformando al m=FAsico en un percusionista t=E1ctil sonoro. Cuatro = instrumentos en uno, inventado por el luthier Californiano Emmet Chapman = en la decada del 70 y popularizado en un inicio por Tony Levin en sus = apariciones junto a King Crimson y Peter Gabriel; utilizado luego = engrabaciones por musicos como John Lenon y Yoko Ono, Bruce Cockburn, = David Sylvian, Thoya Wilcox, Yes, entre otros. =20 La decada de los 90 dio los primeros concertistas y discos solistas = entre los que Cides fue uno de los mas activos artista con sus CDs "El = mundo interior de los planetas", "Primitivo" y el brillante "The Bach = Tribute" tocado totalmente con Stick. Fue artista invitado de musicos = como Roger Hodgson, Emerson, Like & Palmer, Fish, John Wetton, Rick = Wakeman y su Tour Stick paso por Holanda; U.K; Andorra; U.S.A; Espa=F1a; = Ecuador; Costa Rica; Per=FA; Uruguay; Brasil; Chile; Bolivia. Su = actividad artistica de estos ultimos a=F1os en Espa=F1a se vio reflejada = en los medios de prensa a traves de sus entrevistas en las revistas = Guitar Player; Guitarrista; Guitarra Total; Beat & Bit; los periodicos = nacionales El Mundo; El Pais; El Periodico; y conciertos en directos en = television espa=F1ola (donde presento un Ensamble de Stickistas = Espa=F1oles en un especial emitido por TV2); TV 33; Radio nacional de = Espa=F1a; adem=E1s de sus conciertos en el Festival de la Guitarra = espa=F1ola de Cordoba; Festival de Jazz de Terrassa; U-zona Reegae; = Festival de Musica Etnica de Menorca entre otros. =20 Este Centro sera dirigido, como es costumbre a los no-stickistas en su = primer fase. Sera el punto de contacto en el idioma castellano e ingles = para los musicos que deseen saber acerca del a=FAn desconocido = instrumento Chapman Stick y su arte, presentando un Ensamble de = Stickistas como parte del aprendizaje y manteniendo la instrucci=F3n a = stickistas iniciados.=20 (Pronto haremos nuestro primer Seminario Europeo para musicos que = ejecutan o desean ejecutar la t=E9cnica delTap).=20 Aula de Musica Moderna i Jazz en Barcelona presenta: PRESENTACION OFICIAL DE CENTRO DE STICKISTAS=20 EN ESPA=D1A MARZO 7, 20 HS. ENTRADA GRATUITA CARRER MONTORN=C9S 37. (08023) BARCELONA / TEL: 93 2111062 David Calvano (Web Press) stickcenter@hotmail.com=20 A) Nuestro mailing list es de aprox. 5.000 usuarios. Si lo deseas, = puedes enviar tus actividades al Centro de Stickistas, y las incluiremos = en nuestras habituales informaciones. ######################################################=20 THE FIRST STICK CENTER IN SPAIN www.stickcenter.com Next March 2002, we'll start informing, teaching and promoting the Stick = in the 1st Stick Player's Centre in Spain. This experience started in Argentina with Guillermo Cides, a pioneer in = the world of Stick Concerts, with which he toured around the world. = During the past 10 years, Cides did an "artwork" spreading the word from = musician to musician in free informative meetings for all those = interested in knowing the Stick, how it's played, the secrets it hidden = in those 10 strings, its history, its technique and its interesting = concept for musicians all over the world. At present, Cides represents Stick Enterprises California in Argentina = and in Spain. The Stick is a mixture of bass and guitar that is played with a piano = logic y and is tapped with both hand's fingers (tapping) making the = musician a sound and tact percussionist. Four instruments in one, = created in the 70's by Californian luthier Emmet Chapman, who at present = manufactures every instrument musicians order. The instrument was made = popular at first by Tony Levin in his appearances with King Crimson and = Peter Gabriel, and later used in recordings by musicians as John Lenon = and Yoko Ono, Bruce Cockburn, David Sylvian, Thoya Wilcox, and Yes, = among others. The 90's saw the first concert players and solo records among which = Cides was one of the most active artists with his Cds "El mundo interior = de los planetas", "Primitivo" and the brilliant "The Bach Tribute" = played only with Sticks. He was invited to play with musicians as Roger = Hodgson, Emerson, Like & Palmer, Fish, John Wetton, Rick Wakeman and = toured around the world presenting his own show ( Holanda; U.K; Andorra; = U.S.A; Espa=F1a; Ecuador; Costa Rica; Per=FA; Uruguay; Brasil; Chile; = Bolivia). Its artistica activity of these last years in Spain was = reflected in the press through its interviews in the magazines Guitar = Player; Guitarist; Total Guitar; Beat & Bit; the nationals news paper=20 El Mundo; El Pais; El Periodico. I n September 2001, Radio 3 concerts in = TV2 presented Cides with the first Ensamble of Spanish Stick Players = formed for the occasion. He was playing in Festival de la Guitarra = espa=F1ola de Cordoba; Festival de Jazz de Terrassa; U-zona Reegae; = Festival de Musica Etnica de Menorca, among others . Now he founds this Stick Players Centre with the aim of presenting this = new form of artistic expression to musicians.=20 The first step will be a meeting for all those who wish to know about = the Stick, where we will show different models, tunings, techniques, = microphones, as well as its history and answering all the questions of = the musicians.=20 Of course, there'll also be a performance by Guillermo Cides. Summing = up, something new in the world of music. We appreciate the promotion of this event.=20 The first objective of this Center will be, as it is custom, to the = not-stickistas in its first phase. It will be the point of contact in = the Spanish/English language for the musicians who wish to know about = still not known instrument Chapman Stick and his art, forming an = Assembly of Stickistas like part of the learning, and maintaining the = instruction to initiated stickistas.=20 (Soon we will make our first European Seminary for musicians that they = execute or they wish to execute the Tap-Technique).=20 Aula de Musica Moderna i Jazz en Barcelona presents: OFFICIAL PRESENTATION OF THE STICK PLAYERS' CENTRE AND INVITES YOU NEXT MARCH 7TH, 8 PM. FREE ADMISSION CARRER MONTORN=C9S 37. (08023) BARCELONA / TEL: 93 2111062 A) Our Mailing List is of approx 5,000 users. If you wish, you can send = your activities to the Stick Players Center and we will include them in = our habitual information.=20 David Calvano (Web Press) stickcenter@hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C1BFF5.5EB816A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1=BA CENTRO DE STICKISTAS EN ESPA=D1A
www.stickcenter.com =

(see english version below)

=20

El Stickista Guillermo Cides presenta el 1=BA = Centro de=20 Stickistas en Espa=F1a. El que fuera responsable de la difusion y = popularidad del=20 Stick en Argentina a traves del mismo Centro, comienza ahora un nuevo = trabajo de=20 promocion, ense=F1anza y conciertos en el pais de Espa=F1a. El Stick es = una mezcla=20 de bajo y guitarra, que se ejecuta con una logica pianistica, y que se = golpetea=20 con los dedos de ambas manos (tapping) transformando al m=FAsico en un=20 percusionista t=E1ctil sonoro. Cuatro instrumentos en uno, inventado por = el=20 luthier Californiano Emmet Chapman en la decada del 70 y popularizado en = un=20 inicio por Tony Levin en sus apariciones junto a King Crimson y Peter = Gabriel;=20 utilizado luego engrabaciones por musicos como John Lenon y Yoko Ono, = Bruce=20 Cockburn, David Sylvian, Thoya Wilcox, Yes, entre otros.

La decada de los 90 dio los primeros concertistas y discos solistas = entre los=20 que Cides fue uno de los mas activos artista con sus CDs "El mundo = interior de=20 los planetas", "Primitivo" y el brillante "The Bach Tribute" tocado = totalmente=20 con Stick. Fue artista invitado de musicos como Roger Hodgson, Emerson, = Like=20 & Palmer, Fish, John Wetton, Rick Wakeman y su Tour Stick paso por = Holanda;=20 U.K; Andorra; U.S.A; Espa=F1a; Ecuador; Costa Rica; Per=FA; Uruguay; = Brasil; Chile;=20 Bolivia. Su actividad artistica de estos ultimos a=F1os en Espa=F1a se = vio reflejada=20 en los medios de prensa a traves de sus entrevistas en las revistas = Guitar=20 Player; Guitarrista; Guitarra Total; Beat & Bit; los periodicos = nacionales=20 El Mundo; El Pais; El Periodico; y conciertos en directos en television = espa=F1ola=20 (donde presento un Ensamble de Stickistas Espa=F1oles en un especial = emitido por=20 TV2); TV 33; Radio nacional de Espa=F1a; adem=E1s de sus conciertos en = el Festival=20 de la Guitarra espa=F1ola de Cordoba; Festival de Jazz de Terrassa; = U-zona Reegae;=20 Festival de Musica Etnica de Menorca entre otros.


Este Centro sera = dirigido, como=20 es costumbre a los no-stickistas en su primer fase. Sera el punto de = contacto en=20 el idioma castellano e ingles para los musicos que deseen saber acerca = del a=FAn=20 desconocido instrumento Chapman Stick y su arte, presentando un Ensamble = de=20 Stickistas como parte del aprendizaje y manteniendo la instrucci=F3n a = stickistas=20 iniciados.
(Pronto haremos nuestro primer Seminario Europeo para = musicos que=20 ejecutan o desean ejecutar la t=E9cnica delTap). =

Aula de Musica Moderna i Jazz en Barcelona = presenta:
PRESENTACION OFICIAL DE CENTRO DE = STICKISTAS
EN=20 ESPA=D1A
MARZO 7, 20 HS.=20 ENTRADA GRATUITA
CARRER MONTORN=C9S 37. (08023) BARCELONA / = TEL: 93=20 2111062

David Calvano (Web Press)
stickcenter@hotmail.com

A) Nuestro mailing list es de aprox. 5.000 usuarios. Si lo deseas, = puedes=20 enviar tus actividades al Centro de Stickistas, y las incluiremos en = nuestras=20 habituales informaciones.

###################################################### =

THE FIRST STICK CENTER IN SPAIN
www.stickcenter.com


Next March 2002, we'll start informing, teaching and promoting = the Stick=20 in the 1st Stick Player's Centre in Spain.
This experience started in = Argentina with Guillermo Cides, a pioneer in the world of Stick = Concerts, with=20 which he toured around the world. During the past 10 years, Cides did an = "artwork" spreading the word from musician to musician in free = informative=20 meetings for all those interested in knowing the Stick, how it's played, = the=20 secrets it hidden in those 10 strings, its history, its technique and = its=20 interesting concept for musicians all over the world.
At present, = Cides=20 represents Stick Enterprises California in Argentina and in = Spain.

The=20 Stick is a mixture of bass and guitar that is played with a piano logic = y and is=20 tapped with both hand's fingers (tapping) making the musician a sound = and tact=20 percussionist. Four instruments in one, created in the 70's by = Californian=20 luthier Emmet Chapman, who at present manufactures every instrument = musicians=20 order. The instrument was made popular at first by Tony Levin in his = appearances=20 with King Crimson and Peter Gabriel, and later used in recordings by = musicians=20 as John Lenon and Yoko Ono, Bruce Cockburn, David Sylvian, Thoya Wilcox, = and=20 Yes, among others.

The 90's saw the first concert players and = solo=20 records among which Cides was one of the most active artists with his = Cds "El=20 mundo interior de los planetas", "Primitivo" and the brilliant "The Bach = Tribute" played only with Sticks. He was invited to play with musicians = as Roger=20 Hodgson, Emerson, Like & Palmer, Fish, John Wetton, Rick Wakeman and = toured=20 around the world presenting his own show ( Holanda; U.K; Andorra; U.S.A; = Espa=F1a;=20 Ecuador; Costa Rica; Per=FA; Uruguay; Brasil; Chile; Bolivia). Its=20 artistica activity of these last years in Spain was reflected in the = press=20 through its interviews in the magazines Guitar Player; Guitarist; Total = Guitar;=20 Beat & Bit; the nationals news paper
El Mundo; El Pais; El = Periodico. I=20 n September 2001, Radio 3 concerts in TV2 presented Cides with the first = Ensamble of Spanish Stick Players formed for the occasion. He was = playing in=20 Festival de la Guitarra espa=F1ola de Cordoba; Festival de Jazz de = Terrassa;=20 U-zona Reegae; Festival de Musica Etnica de Menorca, among others = .

Now=20 he founds this Stick Players Centre with the aim of presenting this new = form of=20 artistic expression to musicians.
The first step will be a meeting = for all=20 those who wish to know about the Stick, where we will show different = models,=20 tunings, techniques, microphones, as well as its history and answering = all the=20 questions of the musicians.
Of course, there'll also be a = performance by=20 Guillermo Cides. Summing up, something new in the world of music.
We=20 appreciate the promotion of this event.

The first objective of this Center will be, as it is custom, to the=20 not-stickistas in its first phase. It will be the point of contact in = the=20 Spanish/English language for the musicians who wish to know about still = not=20 known instrument Chapman Stick and his art, forming an Assembly of = Stickistas=20 like part of the learning, and maintaining the instruction to initiated=20 stickistas.
(Soon we will make our first European Seminary for = musicians=20 that they execute or they wish to execute the Tap-Technique).=20

Aula de Musica Moderna i Jazz en Barcelona = presents:
OFFICIAL=20 PRESENTATION OF THE STICK PLAYERS' CENTRE
AND INVITES YOU NEXT
MARCH 7TH, 8 PM.=20 FREE ADMISSION
CARRER MONTORN=C9S 37. (08023) BARCELONA / TEL: 93=20 2111062

A) Our Mailing List is of approx 5,000 users. If you wish, you can = send your=20 activities to the Stick Players Center and we will include them in our = habitual=20 information.

David Calvano (Web Press)
stickcenter@hotmail.com

------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C1BFF5.5EB816A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 19:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20692; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:24:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:24:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:23:28 EST Subject: Re: rumour: repeater ceases production?? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <108.e03dc69.29aed280@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3wQv1.A.-CF.oiXf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is true-I heard it as well- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 19:30:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20951; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:30:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:30:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c1bfef$07076a60$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <108.e03dc69.29aed280@aol.com> Subject: Re: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:29:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Come on guys- Jamie from Electrix just posted to the list to dispell this rumor- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: rumour: repeater ceases production?? > This is true-I heard it as well- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 19:39:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21224; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace Meyer" To: Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:32:24 -0800 Message-ID: <001401c1bfef$66192f20$19d956d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <108.e03dc69.29aed280@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_obfk.A.oKF.BrXf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard this rumor at NAMM a lot--Jamie probably knows as much as anybody, so let's believe him--every day is a new day. I bought a repeater at GC and took it back the same day and exchanged it for another EDP--the delay of the dry signal was a huge drag, I also didn't like the way the Repeater handles MIDI clock tempo--looked like it was tempo drive rather than size of the loop. I don't need any of the extra stuff so I think I'll be real happy with two EDPs--providing of course that the second one works (what rocket scientist sent *DAVID TORN* a defective unit?). I heard the same rumor (Hey--here on the list) about the Echoplex, so who knows, but I am sure The Auresis team will continue to support what remains the (IMHHHO) finest looping delay ever created. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 20:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24186; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:07:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:07:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mlandman@pop.sonic.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:19:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: Re: Loopstock Official Update/Recording Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seconded and "Thirded", please record, I will be there, but would like a clean copy for later listening. Also, everyone with CDS for sale please bring 'em as well, I'd like to hear what you're all doing. Best- Mark >Someone PLEASE tape it!! It's OK with me..provided I get a copy! >I am bringing ample copies of my new CD, "A Caravan Of Dreams" for >sale...and a few gifts for my fellow loopers. BTW I have some mp3s >up of 3 tunes from the CD. >www.mp3.com/max_valentino >check them out and let me know what you think. >Max > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 21:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29006; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:16:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:16:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:14:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-48074434 Subject: EDP reset? From: Doug Miller To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-48074434 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I can't find the magic key combination to reset all parameters on my EDP. Which buttons do I push while powering up? Thanks! .......................................................................... ........ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-2-48074434 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I can't find the magic key combination to reset all parameters on my EDP. Which buttons do I push while powering up? Thanks! Arial.................................................................................. Arial BlackDoug MillerArial Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --Apple-Mail-2-48074434-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 27 21:22:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29365; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:21:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020228022052.79662.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: EDP reset? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1089371145-1014862852=:79524" Resent-Message-ID: <04okP.A.XKH.FQZf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1089371145-1014862852=:79524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you just turn it off, and hold down the "paramaters" button for a while while you turn it back on and it is is rebooting. Bradley Fish Doug Miller wrote: I can't find the magic key combination to reset all parameters on my EDP. Which buttons do I push while powering up? Thanks! .......................................................................... ........ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.columbusnow.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller/index.html --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! --0-1089371145-1014862852=:79524 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I think you just turn it off, and hold down the "paramaters" button for a while while you turn it back on and it is is rebooting.

Bradley Fish  

  Doug Miller <dmiller3@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

I can't find the magic key combination to reset all parameters on my
EDP. Which buttons do I push while powering up? Thanks!
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Doug Miller
Graphic Designer

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Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! --0-1089371145-1014862852=:79524-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 02:28:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15539; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:28:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:28:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <006d01c1c029$7de2eb20$2508c5a9@azstarnet.com> From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: References: <3C7BF018.A532424A@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: [live Looping Broadcast] SeeWhat? on air feb 27 at 24h Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:26:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Alexander McDonald" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" : I almost forgot to pester you with this: : : I'm invited to play a 1 h live set in the studio tomorrow night on les : "métissages" sur "couleur3" (National Swiss Radio) Auuugh! My e-mail service has been playing hell lately, so this arrived too late to do any good...! I hate when this sort of thing happens. David =================================== Sanity Assassinations Where the strange get much, much stranger http://forums.delphiforums.com/sanityassassin/start From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 02:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16798; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:56:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <28.22af0df5.29af3c7c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:55:40 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #119 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks Andy for the heads up on the MFC-10. You're welcome > In regards to the Behringer FCB1010, does anyone know if it is able > to mute both Repeater and EDP with one button push. > The FCB1010 sends up to 5 program changes, 2 CCs and one NoteOn-Off per press. So it should do that. I'll be checking the latency when I get hold of one. (sometime this week?) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 12:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18693; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:19:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:19:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Aldo De Palma" To: "loopers" Subject: unsuscribe one address Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:13:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I made a mess, as usual! I subscribed twice with 2 different addresses. Therefore, I'd like you to unscribe the following one: cataldo.depalma@inwind.it thanks aldo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 12:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19249; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:28:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 28 Feb 02 11:31:00 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:27:37 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: , Subject: Re: unsuscribe one address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <5crTHD.A.osE.-imf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got it. If you ever need to unsubscribe, send mail to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body. (without the quotes!) Make sure that your signature file is turned off. You can also find list information here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html -K >>> aldo.depalma@libero.it 02/28/02 11:13AM >>> I made a mess, as usual! I subscribed twice with 2 different addresses. Therefore, I'd like you to unscribe the following one: cataldo.depalma@inwind.it thanks aldo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 13:19:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22337; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:16:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:16:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7E7423.AB295F5D@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:17:07 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: PMC-10 Manual? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers- If anyone with a Digitech PMC-10 is coming to Loopstock, could you please bring your manual along? I need to make a copy. :) Thanks, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 13:31:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22758; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:22:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:22:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:22:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: a new kind of meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am flying over the wast snowy US, full of expectations for new experiences. I have only been twice to US for a longer time: A raft trip down the Missisipy and hippy car travel to SF in '81 A month at Gibson lab in '93 to update the LOOP delay to the Echoplex (thats when I met Kim). This time will be much different again, since I have the guitar with me. ... and I let the thoughts come: There have been congresses about any kind of subject, where information is exchanged through speach and text. There have been religious meetings to celebrate rituals of all kinds. There have been concerts, festivals, where fans of some style apreciated it together. There have been workshops, where practical knowedge has been tought in more or less free froms. But have you heard of a meeting of users of a new technology or style? Did the saxophone players meet in the 40ies to show the whide application of it to each other? Or the sythesizer players in the 60/70ies? Or have you heard that musicians of some style met in a bigger number in a organized way to exchange their music and tricks? What is it that looping has to call for such meetings? Its not just now that it started. I dont know about the history, please complete here. I had that vision from the very start and on the first flyer about the LOOP delay I suggested the foundation of: "LOOPGROOP, Forum for Loopology and repetitive happenings". In '95, I started the first project to exchange tapes, which was not a success (since I was too far away and I am not a talent in organizing such things) but the tapes sent in ended up on the first Loopers-Delight CD. Only Kim and the internet made the exchange possible, and if you read back the first postings to LD, you dont see "nice that there is a place now where I can ask how to connect my equipment" but: ....... Then more CDs, the CT project, Loop festivals kept naturally happening, iniciated by many different people. So its not like a religion that starts due to the inspiration of a guru, but due to the "thing" that makes us invest time and efforts into a comunity. Its as if we did believe in something that grows. Sure the Rastas believe in Reggae, but first of all they believe in Jah, so its not the music that makes them meet. Country music has some background with cows and hats and trucks that I dont understand much about, but is definitally a lifestyle. Similar observations can be made about all musical styles, but not about looping, so far, or could you? Even newer styles like techno, that also started as an anarchistic movement have a distict beat and sound (and drug ;-), which is not the case at all for the loopers comunity. So I am wondering more and more what the "thing" in looping is. Do you believe in loops? Sounds silly. Do you believe in the Echoplex? Sounds even more silly. Do you believe in Reilly, Fripp, Glass,,, Some may do so, but since those idols sound very different, its not what makes the meetings happen. Are there leaders to the group? There are always people that have thought and experienced more than others, so we listen better to what Richard Z, DT, Kim, sais, but if anyone of those would ask you to do a certain thing, you would laugh out loud, so they have no power, the whole movement is anarchistic! Maybe its about improvising. Looping definitally gives a new dimension to it. Gary Hall got me from the air port and said more or less: "Its an approach to composition based on interaction between the musician and the processing." We may have disussed it enough. There is no need for a conclusion, we just do what we feel is right and enjoy and learn and grow... I just wanted to say that I am extremely exited about beeing here! :-) See you soon! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 13:41:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23618; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7E8831.C604A883@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:42:41 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, Its little messages like this that really make me want to start the car and head to California RIGHT NOW! Arrrrg... have a good time everyone, and send me pictures of people in Loop shirts. When I get enough of them I still plan on putting up a page (this goes for everyone, not just the California contingent.... I need photos in both exotic and mundane locations). later, -jas http://dimbulb.org Matthias Grob wrote: > I am flying over the wast snowy US, full of expectations for new > experiences. I have only been twice to US for a longer time: > A raft trip down the Missisipy and hippy car travel to SF in '81 > A month at Gibson lab in '93 to update the LOOP delay to the Echoplex > (thats when I met Kim). > This time will be much different again, since I have the guitar with me. > ... and I let the thoughts come: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 14:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27449; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:12:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:12:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.138] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:11:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 19:11:41.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[C114D680:01C1C08B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listerz, Since my job has become a six-day-a-week liability as of late, I won't be able to attend Loopstock. (even though it's only a few hours from my house) However, I'd like to know if this is going to be an annual "meeting of the minds" among loopers? If so, I can plan ahead for next year's event. Wishing I could attend! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 14:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27913; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c1c08c$8a789fc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:17:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris, I am planning to organize a gathering in Los Angeles this summer- I'll keep the list posted- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Olden" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Loopstock > > > Listerz, > Since my job has become a six-day-a-week liability > as of late, I won't be able to attend Loopstock. > (even though it's only a few hours from my house) > However, I'd like to know if this is going to be > an annual "meeting of the minds" among loopers? > If so, I can plan ahead for next year's event. > Wishing I could attend! > Chris Olden > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 14:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28508; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:27:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:27:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.227.31.19] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopstock Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:26:50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 19:26:50.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF09AEC0:01C1C08D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well...if it happens, you can consider me there! I live not far from LA in sunny southern California! Another LA loopfest??? Max >I am planning to organize a gathering in Los Angeles this summer- I'll keep >the list posted- > >Cliff > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 14:37:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28816; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:31:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:22:37 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:22 AM -0800 2/28/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >But have you heard of a meeting of users of a new technology or style? >Did the saxophone players meet in the 40ies to show the whide >application of it to each other? Or the sythesizer players in the >60/70ies? >Or have you heard that musicians of some style met in a bigger >number in a organized way to exchange their music and tricks? Perhaps there is more of this than you realize. I have attended conferences of microtonal instrument builders and composers of multichannel surround sound music. I have participated in festivals of extended vocal techniques and interactive computer music. The computer music and electroacoustic music community worldwide has many organizations and conferences devoted to various aspects of these musics. >So I am wondering more and more what the "thing" in looping is. >Maybe its about improvising. Looping definitally gives a new dimension to it. For years I have used the term electroacoustic improvisation to describe what I do in performance. I don't really think of myself as a "looper" per se, although I have used looping techniques as an important part of my musical process. The central matter for me is the use of electronic processing as a musical instrument. When my friends and I started doing this in the mid-1970s we were using the available technology of the day: tape delays and synthesizers and simple effects boxes. Over the years we've adopted newer technologies as they have come available. I'd say this is true of all of us, with each jumping in at particular moment in the evolution of the technologies and styles, and each having a personal "take" on the possibilities afforded. My personal "take" has been influenced by Marshall McLuhan's idea of media as extensions of the human body and nervous system = instrument as musical prosthesis. I've also been influenced by Norbert Wiener, the father of Cybernetics, and by various researches into music cognition. One (perhaps obvious) thing to consider is that loop music is a technological manifestation of principals of pattern, imitation, and hierarchy in polyphonic music (canon, fugue, call and response, isorhythm, colatomic structure, etc.). Another thing is the role of memory in improvisation (our loop and delay devices serving both as mnemonic aids and as "sidemen"). >Gary Hall got me from the air port and said more or less: >"Its an approach to composition based on interaction between the >musician and the processing." A succinct way of saying the same thing. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 14:56:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29728; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:54:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:54:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.208.66.20] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:53:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 19:53:20.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[9298E890:01C1C091] Resent-Message-ID: <742aqB.A.HQH.Prof8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I love this post! Why are we drawn to looping? Could it be that humans are natural loopers? We repeat ourselves many times when we are young before we learn the forward path. The Earth loops daily, plus it loops yearly, a loop inside a loop! All the planets loop. Could it be that the nature of the universe is to loop to sustain itself? It seems there are loops all around me. Sometimes I feel that I am treading the same territory over and over only making small altercations to my daily loop. I wish I could come to the loopfest and meet all the loopers and exchange ideas. For now I am content working on a new sound and approach to my music using the looping tools. I hope someday to come to a loopfest and maybe even have a loopfest here in West Virginia! I wish everyone at the loopfest well and congrats to Hans for organizing! Good Luck all! Weg From: Matthias Grob Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a new kind of meeting Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:22:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE47C077006C40043260CFE4EE090FAF0; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:22:54 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22748;Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:22:36 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:23:55 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: matthiasgrob@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am flying over the wast snowy US, full of expectations for new experiences. I have only been twice to US for a longer time: A raft trip down the Missisipy and hippy car travel to SF in '81 A month at Gibson lab in '93 to update the LOOP delay to the Echoplex (thats when I met Kim). This time will be much different again, since I have the guitar with me. ... and I let the thoughts come: There have been congresses about any kind of subject, where information is exchanged through speach and text. There have been religious meetings to celebrate rituals of all kinds. There have been concerts, festivals, where fans of some style apreciated it together. There have been workshops, where practical knowedge has been tought in more or less free froms. But have you heard of a meeting of users of a new technology or style? Did the saxophone players meet in the 40ies to show the whide application of it to each other? Or the sythesizer players in the 60/70ies? Or have you heard that musicians of some style met in a bigger number in a organized way to exchange their music and tricks? What is it that looping has to call for such meetings? Its not just now that it started. I dont know about the history, please complete here. I had that vision from the very start and on the first flyer about the LOOP delay I suggested the foundation of: "LOOPGROOP, Forum for Loopology and repetitive happenings". In '95, I started the first project to exchange tapes, which was not a success (since I was too far away and I am not a talent in organizing such things) but the tapes sent in ended up on the first Loopers-Delight CD. Only Kim and the internet made the exchange possible, and if you read back the first postings to LD, you dont see "nice that there is a place now where I can ask how to connect my equipment" but: ....... Then more CDs, the CT project, Loop festivals kept naturally happening, iniciated by many different people. So its not like a religion that starts due to the inspiration of a guru, but due to the "thing" that makes us invest time and efforts into a comunity. Its as if we did believe in something that grows. Sure the Rastas believe in Reggae, but first of all they believe in Jah, so its not the music that makes them meet. Country music has some background with cows and hats and trucks that I dont understand much about, but is definitally a lifestyle. Similar observations can be made about all musical styles, but not about looping, so far, or could you? Even newer styles like techno, that also started as an anarchistic movement have a distict beat and sound (and drug ;-), which is not the case at all for the loopers comunity. So I am wondering more and more what the "thing" in looping is. Do you believe in loops? Sounds silly. Do you believe in the Echoplex? Sounds even more silly. Do you believe in Reilly, Fripp, Glass,,, Some may do so, but since those idols sound very different, its not what makes the meetings happen. Are there leaders to the group? There are always people that have thought and experienced more than others, so we listen better to what Richard Z, DT, Kim, sais, but if anyone of those would ask you to do a certain thing, you would laugh out loud, so they have no power, the whole movement is anarchistic! Maybe its about improvising. Looping definitally gives a new dimension to it. Gary Hall got me from the air port and said more or less: "Its an approach to composition based on interaction between the musician and the processing." We may have disussed it enough. There is no need for a conclusion, we just do what we feel is right and enjoy and learn and grow... I just wanted to say that I am extremely exited about beeing here! :-) See you soon! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 15:23:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32233; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020228140609.007e13e0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:06:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it has to do with the circle - O. A universal energy thing. I could say a lot more, but maybe later. M.... At 10:22 AM 2/28/02 -0800, you wrote: >I am flying over the wast snowy US, full of expectations for new >experiences. I have only been twice to US for a longer time: >A raft trip down the Missisipy and hippy car travel to SF in '81 >A month at Gibson lab in '93 to update the LOOP delay to the Echoplex >(thats when I met Kim). >This time will be much different again, since I have the guitar with me. >... and I let the thoughts come: > >There have been congresses about any kind of subject, where >information is exchanged through speach and text. >There have been religious meetings to celebrate rituals of all kinds. >There have been concerts, festivals, where fans of some style >apreciated it together. >There have been workshops, where practical knowedge has been tought >in more or less free froms. > >But have you heard of a meeting of users of a new technology or style? >Did the saxophone players meet in the 40ies to show the whide >application of it to each other? Or the sythesizer players in the >60/70ies? >Or have you heard that musicians of some style met in a bigger number >in a organized way to exchange their music and tricks? > >What is it that looping has to call for such meetings? >Its not just now that it started. I dont know about the history, >please complete here. >I had that vision from the very start and on the first flyer about >the LOOP delay I suggested the foundation of: > "LOOPGROOP, Forum for Loopology and repetitive happenings". > >In '95, I started the first project to exchange tapes, which was not >a success (since I was too far away and I am not a talent in >organizing such things) but the tapes sent in ended up on the first >Loopers-Delight CD. >Only Kim and the internet made the exchange possible, and if you read >back the first postings to LD, you dont see "nice that there is a >place now where I can ask how to connect my equipment" but: ....... >Then more CDs, the CT project, Loop festivals kept naturally >happening, iniciated by many different people. So its not like a >religion that starts due to the inspiration of a guru, but due to the >"thing" that makes us invest time and efforts into a comunity. Its as >if we did believe in something that grows. > >Sure the Rastas believe in Reggae, but first of all they believe in >Jah, so its not the music that makes them meet. Country music has >some background with cows and hats and trucks that I dont understand >much about, but is definitally a lifestyle. Similar observations can >be made about all musical styles, but not about looping, so far, or >could you? >Even newer styles like techno, that also started as an anarchistic >movement have a distict beat and sound (and drug ;-), which is not >the case at all for the loopers comunity. > >So I am wondering more and more what the "thing" in looping is. >Do you believe in loops? Sounds silly. >Do you believe in the Echoplex? Sounds even more silly. >Do you believe in Reilly, Fripp, Glass,,, Some may do so, but since >those idols sound very different, its not what makes the meetings >happen. >Are there leaders to the group? There are always people that have >thought and experienced more than others, so we listen better to what >Richard Z, DT, Kim, sais, but if anyone of those would ask you to do >a certain thing, you would laugh out loud, so they have no power, the >whole movement is anarchistic! > >Maybe its about improvising. Looping definitally gives a new dimension to it. > >Gary Hall got me from the air port and said more or less: >"Its an approach to composition based on interaction between the >musician and the processing." > >We may have disussed it enough. There is no need for a conclusion, we >just do what we feel is right and enjoy and learn and grow... > >I just wanted to say that I am extremely exited about beeing here! :-) >See you soon! >Matthias >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 15:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00466; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20020228203012.94312.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Evan Meyers Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020228140609.007e13e0@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think it has to do with the circle - O. A > universal energy thing. > life can appear very cyclic. maybe we are fascinated with loops because we want things to move in a circular fassion...which allows for stability because you know what is to come. > I could say a lot more, but maybe later. > as could i, but i'll spare you my theories on life and the universe and instead agree with frank zappa in saying "circles are boring." but to me, loops have nothing circular about them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 15:50:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01221; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:47:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:47:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: EDP vs. Repeater Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:47:33 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c1c099$25cc7490$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, I know this option has been discussed a lot in the past, so let me formulate this as a question for a hint for available documents: Is there an available comparison of EDP vs. Repeater with regards to >>does a Repeater owner also need an Echoplex other than for reasons of "one can never have enough loopers"<< ? Thanks, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 16:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03802; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:11:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:11:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:05:04 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting In-reply-to: <20020228203012.94312.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020228203012.94312.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6-7x8.A.76.Vzpf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:30 PM -0800 2/28/02, Evan Meyers wrote: >life can appear very cyclic. Giambattista Vico thought so: -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 16:20:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04179; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:18:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: 28 Feb 2002 13:17:52 -0800 Message-ID: <20020228211752.25590.cpmta@c007.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 28 Feb 2002 21:17:52 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: timothy crowe X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: seemso@directvinternet.com Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com golden section of spacetime fibonacci set gives ground for growth > > > I think it has to do with the circle - O. A > > universal energy thing. > > > > life can appear very cyclic. maybe we are fascinated > with loops because we want things to move in a > circular fassion...which allows for stability because > you know what is to come. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 16:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04677; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:24:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:24:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:24:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02d001c1c09e$4d40e970$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.3.32.20020228140609.007e13e0@mail.airmail.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_TgFx.A.1IB.MAqf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think it has to do with the circle - O. A universal energy thing. > > I could say a lot more, but maybe later. > > M.... > the circle's back around.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 16:38:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05256; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:37:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:37:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.22ac6925.29affcc6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:36:06 EST Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5cffiD.A.zRB.0Lqf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias, before responding to the depth of your post in its entirety: you said: >I just wanted to say that I am extremely exited about beeing here! :-) well: welcome 'here', wherever that may be..... cali, i guess..... >See you soon! hope so. i never did get back in touch w/g. hall --- are you guys coming to ny, in the near future? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 16:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05431; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:41:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hiya Loopers, I think I know where the confusion is occurring in these rumours. Electrix *is* currently changing the method of Repeater's distribution. Units are still available at many retailers and we still have stock on hand. There may be a short gap in production while we organize our new mode of distribution, but this does not affect the technical support or warranty of Repeater (or any Electrix product). It seems that this little piece of information took on all sorts of new forms at NAMM (aka: the telephone game). If anyone has any further concerns, or would like to know where to buy a Repeater please feel free to contact Electrix at info@electrixpro.com Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: Candace Meyer > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? > > I heard this rumor at NAMM a lot--Jamie probably knows as much as anybody, > so let's believe him--every day is a new day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 16:49:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05517; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:42:13 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02e101c1c0a0$c932e220$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9e.22ac6925.29affcc6@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > welcome 'here', wherever that may be..... cali, i guess..... >... here seems to follow me wherever i go. i can't seem to shake it... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 17:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08386; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:23:47 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02ef01c1c0a6$96e9e6a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020228203012.94312.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for this link very interesting stuff... "No, it's a wheel, I tell the world. And it's all square." love it. nonsensical sense? i wonder how much vico influenced persig's theory of bipolar forces causing cycles in historical periods in western societies (classical, romantic) to me, this seems more directly applicable to music, where polar opposites are often used to convey meaning ex. consonance/dissonance, loud/soft, tension/release, etc... though persig was referring to a more direct application of the tao to western society... haven't read joseph campbell's stuff yet, but i saw the pbs series about him. the relationship of myth to these cycles sounds like his sort of thing... i really like the notion that thunder spawned religion in the form of "idolatrous animism." also: "Thus Vico asserts the spontaneity of language and denies the dualism of poetry and language" this seems to strike right to the heart of the dichotomy of music as communication or music as abstract art. i never understood this distinction either... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting > At 12:30 PM -0800 2/28/02, Evan Meyers wrote: > > >life can appear very cyclic. > > Giambattista Vico thought so: > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 17:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08557; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:25:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:26:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9v-dy.A.sEC.b5qf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Jamie--this is good news--the Repeater *sounds* great and has a lot of functionality, it just didn't solve my particular problem/situation. Two EDPs will keep me busy for a while . . . Best of luck--and sorry for any "ongoing!" gender confusion--but Candy would never post--if you see her name in the from field, it's always me, "Relay (One man band)", aka Gary Lehmann. I would also like to say that I tested my new EDP while here at the house (we're out of the "office" this week, but I'm on my way to a music gig--I hate vacations, it's so good to get a chance to play) and it holds its feedback fine. Hope DT gets his squared away. And welcome back to California, Matthias! Enjoy!! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Drouin (Electrix) [mailto:Jamie@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:42 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Hiya Loopers, I think I know where the confusion is occurring in these rumours. Electrix *is* currently changing the method of Repeater's distribution. Units are still available at many retailers and we still have stock on hand. There may be a short gap in production while we organize our new mode of distribution, but this does not affect the technical support or warranty of Repeater (or any Electrix product). It seems that this little piece of information took on all sorts of new forms at NAMM (aka: the telephone game). If anyone has any further concerns, or would like to know where to buy a Repeater please feel free to contact Electrix at info@electrixpro.com Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: Candace Meyer > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? > > I heard this rumor at NAMM a lot--Jamie probably knows as much as anybody, > so let's believe him--every day is a new day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 17:32:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08869; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:31:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:31:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020228172529.0257b720@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:28:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have you ever checked out http://www.dorkbot.org/ regular meetings in a few selected cities around the globe where technology and the corruption of its intentions hits a freaky kind of nexus. a:c matthias, aloft, wrote: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a new kind of meeting Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" [snip] But have you heard of a meeting of users of a new technology or style? Did the saxophone players meet in the 40ies to show the whide application of it to each other? Or the sythesizer players in the 60/70ies? Or have you heard that musicians of some style met in a bigger number in a organized way to exchange their music and tricks? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 18:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11878; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:19:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <134.a289054.29b014e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:19:02 EST Subject: Re: rumour: repeater ceases production?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9E3ku.A.L5C.xrrf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gl, >Hope DT gets his squared away. thanks; so do i. (seems to be a problem w/crystals of one sort or another.....) lucky me, i do have at least *one* (oberheim) edp that works just fine, and has done so for a buncha years..... the broken one is a new one, directly from gibson (trace-elliott stock). best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 18:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12126; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:22:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:21:07 -0500 To: Tom Ritchford From: Tom Ritchford Subject: 3/2: open loop continues! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last Saturday's open loop was a huge success with a very nice turnout and appearances by a nice variety of loopers and general weirdos, as promised. Chama is as comfortable as ever and the addition of the new Vox speaker gives it a dramatic stereo rush without making it too loud. This week includes the house regulars, Stv Jns, Tom Ritchford (me), and Lena Strayhorn, and special appearances by Steve Speer (notorious animator and illustrator, see eg http://howIDied.com) and The Sushi Fairy as well as various drop-ins (including probably most of the musicians from last week). Drop by, loop or listen, and hang out in the lovely loopy limpid light of Chama (and experience their uniquely tasty Nutmilk Chai!) Saturdays, 1-7pm $2 suggested donation at CHAMA 332 EAST 4TH STREET BTWN AVES C & D EAST VILLAGE NYC 646-654-6472 go to http://loopNY.com for more information. -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 18:47:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13621; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:46:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:46:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> <017f01c1bb21$49555ad0$6445230a@melon> <00c801c1bb59$ca9dd7b0$58b8fea9@melon> Subject: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:46:31 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1skSw.A.SUD.pEsf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all...considering most of us have relatively similar taste (we're closer together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm really digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are welcome. progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar with (as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a pretty firm grasp on). thanks for the suggestions. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 18:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13728; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:47:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:47:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:47:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Tom Ritchford From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: 3/2: open loop continues! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great. Keep it going till the next time I'm in town. I'll bring my Nord. Reminds me that I'm going to send Stv some videos that he can show. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 18:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13881; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:48:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:48:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:48:27 +1100 Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Keith Lang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> Message-Id: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about 'Yes' and ELP (Emerson Lake and Palmer)? On Friday, March 1, 2002, at 04:46 AM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > hi all...considering most of us have relatively similar taste (we're > closer > together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm > really > digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc > from > early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are > welcome. progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar > with > (as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a pretty > firm > grasp on). > > thanks for the suggestions. > > -jim > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 18:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14122; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:51:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:51:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:42:25 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: a new kind of meeting In-reply-to: <02ef01c1c0a6$96e9e6a0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1197182256==_ma============" References: <20020228203012.94312.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> <02ef01c1c0a6$96e9e6a0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1197182256==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:23 PM -0600 2/28/02, jim palmer wrote: >haven't read joseph campbell's stuff yet, but i saw the pbs series about him. >the relationship of myth to these cycles sounds like his sort of thing... I don't know of specific references by Campbell to Vico, but he was very interested in Joyce. He was the co-author of "A Skeleton Key to Finnegan's Wake" (which funnily enough, I bought and read before becoming familiar with Campbell's work on mythology!). >i really like the notion that thunder spawned religion in >the form of "idolatrous animism." Viconian thunders play a significant role in Finnegan's Wake. http://www.robotwisdom.com/jaj/fwake/thunder.html http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/surfingonfinneganswake.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1197182256==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: a new kind of meeting
At 4:23 PM -0600 2/28/02, jim palmer wrote:

haven't read joseph campbell's stuff yet, but i saw the pbs series about him.
the relationship of myth to these cycles sounds like his sort of thing...

I don't know of specific references by Campbell to Vico, but he was very interested in Joyce. He was the co-author of "A Skeleton Key to Finnegan's Wake" (which funnily enough, I bought and read before becoming familiar with Campbell's work on mythology!).

i really like the notion that thunder spawned religion in
the form of "idolatrous animism."

Viconian thunders play a significant role in Finnegan's Wake.

http://www.robotwisdom.com/jaj/fwake/thunder.html

http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/surfingonfinneganswake.html
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--============_-1197182256==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 19:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16724; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:30:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some more suggestions...i guess...although i'm still fuzzy on what exactly a 'prog' rock band is... Can Neu! Amon Duul Tangerine Dream Hawkwind and i'm gonna have to disagree with the statement that "most of us have relatively similar taste", even though, yes, we may have more common threads of likes than a random sampling of individuals. i've found way out tastes on this list...stuff i've never listened to and maybe never will. plus, my feeling is that a good number of people on this list have tastes that are so wide and varied that it would be hard to pin their tastes down to a specific style or genre altogether. hopefully, i could put myself on that list as well. when you've just met someone and they ask "what are you into? what kindof music do you like?" ...and i play back the cd's i've just listened to that day in my head, and it may (or may not) look something like this: charlie parker rancid sly willie nelson eno underworld buena vista social club mozart bill frisell dreadzone pink floyd martin denny What the hell do you tell them? and i consider my tastes pretty tame compared to some of the boys (mostly) and girls of LD. best regards, rich >How about 'Yes' and ELP (Emerson Lake and Palmer)? > > >On Friday, March 1, 2002, at 04:46 AM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > >>hi all...considering most of us have relatively similar taste (we're closer >>together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm really >>digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from >>early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are >>welcome. progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar with >>(as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a pretty firm >>grasp on). >> >>thanks for the suggestions. >> >>-jim >> > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 19:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16880; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:33:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:33:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7ECEE3.4EBA@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:44:21 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater in the signal chain/Echoplex too! References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could those of you using the Repeater(especially for live loops) Please give a brief summation of your signal chain.Extra credit if you've devised an especially concise and portable set up and also use the Echoplex.. Thank you for your time and knowlegde.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 19:35:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16998; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:34:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> References: <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:36:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >How about 'Yes' and ELP (Emerson Lake and Palmer)? > > I used to listen to them a lot, when I was a teen, but now I have to ask: .... if it's "Progressive," why does it sound the same now as it did a quarter century ago? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 19:40:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17232; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:39:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:39:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C7ED05A.7B9B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:50:36 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Polytown Jansen,Barbieri,and Karn Azigza Trey Gunn Band Tony Williams Lifetime... To name afew favorites From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 19:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17391; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c1c0ba$ab6a3940$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:47:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out U.K. Their first album (not that they had that many) is excellent. Eddie Jobson's Theme of Secrets is a favorite of mine. 'Course U.K.'s stuff is not recent. Theme is from '85. Bozzio/Levin/Stevens are good, particularly their 1st (Blacklight Light Syndrome). Anyone ever listen to the German band 'Software'? Peter Mergener and Michael Wiesser have been around for a while. Their first couple of albums (Syn-code and Chip Meditation) are on my alltime favorite list. Most of their stuff isn't bad either. What about "An electric Storm in Hell" by White Noise? I haven't heard it but a lot of people talk about it. Or is it hype? Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Lang" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) > > > How about 'Yes' and ELP (Emerson Lake and Palmer)? > > > On Friday, March 1, 2002, at 04:46 AM, Jimmy Fowler wrote: > > > hi all...considering most of us have relatively similar taste (we're > > closer > > together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm > > really > > digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc > > from > > early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are > > welcome. progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar > > with > > (as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a pretty > > firm > > grasp on). > > > > thanks for the suggestions. > > > > -jim > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 19:50:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17599; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:43:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:43:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:43:26 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <032901c1c0ba$19a4df10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020219184205.73336.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> <012f01c1b982$1b457b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3C72EB4C.C59F048E@ernieball.com> <018401c1ba17$f507fc80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <006e01c1badf$26fa0f40$32f8c440@g0wn7> <017f01c1bb21$49555ad0$6445230a@melon> <00c801c1bb59$ca9dd7b0$58b8fea9@melon> <003401c1c07f$dc883c60$25f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check out http://www.gnosis2000.net/ they have 15 prog rock collectors that have >2000 records rated from 1-15 you can sort by just about anything... hey check out the 5 neck guitar on their front page. who is that guy, and have they replaced his back yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Fowler" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: prog-rock (way off-topic) > hi all...considering most of us have relatively similar taste (we're closer > together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm really > digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from > early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are > welcome. progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar with > (as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a pretty firm > grasp on). > > thanks for the suggestions. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 19:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18490; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:55:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:55:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804ACD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:54:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C0BB.9C7B7B00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C0BB.9C7B7B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" **the 5-neck guitar looks like either rick nielson's (of cheap trick) or a knock-off thereof. stig >hey check out the 5 neck guitar on their front page. who is that guy, and have they replaced his back yet?< Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. 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**the 5-neck guitar looks like either rick nielson's (of cheap trick) or a knock-off thereof.

stig


>hey check out the 5 neck guitar on their front page.
who is that guy, and have they replaced his back yet?<



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1C0BB.9C7B7B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 20:08:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20269; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:58 -0500 Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <032901c1c0ba$19a4df10$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/28/02 7:43 PM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > hey check out the 5 neck guitar on their front page. > who is that guy, and have they replaced his back yet? it's definitely rick nielson with someone else's head pasted badly on.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 20:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22349; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:57:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: open loop continues! Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:03:10 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c0cd$9ea92b40$6878580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snaps~ -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Tom Ritchford Date: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: 3/2: open loop continues! >Last Saturday's open loop was a huge success with a very nice >turnout and appearances by a nice variety of loopers and >general weirdos, as promised. > >Chama is as comfortable as ever >and the addition of the new Vox speaker >gives it a dramatic stereo rush >without making it too loud. > > >This week includes the house regulars, >Stv Jns, Tom Ritchford (me), and Lena Strayhorn, >and special appearances by Steve Speer >(notorious animator and illustrator, see eg http://howIDied.com) >and The Sushi Fairy >as well as various drop-ins (including probably most >of the musicians from last week). > Tom - looking forward to seeing you Sat. am going to get at Chama early to be able to hear more! and sure would be happy playing a bit also. anyone please feel free to say hello or some type of thing along those lines, i'll be wearing either: Brooks Brothers ox-blood oxfords or steel toed wing tips. br, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 >Drop by, loop or listen, >and hang out in the lovely loopy limpid light of Chama >(and experience their uniquely tasty Nutmilk Chai!) > > >Saturdays, 1-7pm >$2 suggested donation > >at CHAMA >332 EAST 4TH STREET >BTWN AVES C & D >EAST VILLAGE NYC > >646-654-6472 > >go to http://loopNY.com for more information. > >-- > >http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! >http://whatGoes.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:04:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22346; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:57:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:57:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: progressive rock music Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:59:22 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c0cd$16cc4900$6878580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips ~ -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Fowler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: prog-rock (way off-topic) >hi all...considering most of us have relatively similar taste (we're closer>together than, say, any random assembly of individuals at least), i'm really>digging for some new (new to me) progressive rock bands. i do love kc from>early 80's, i don't like dream theatre-types, so any suggestions are>welcome. well here are some progressive rock (among other style/genre) based music that you may find of interest: Dixie Dregs - particularly FreeFall, What If, Night of the Living Dregs and Dregs of the Earth B.L.U.E. - Bruford - One of a Kind and Feels Good to Me you can check a cool branch of the late 70's/80's Fripp connections (if you are not already familiar with same), incl.: Robert Fripp - Exposure Daryl Hall - Sacred Songs Peter Gabriel - I and II Brian Eno - Another Green World Adrian Belew - Mr. Music Head, Twang Bar King, Lone Rhino and Young Lion Kraftwerk - Radio-Activity Glenn Phillips - Scratched By the Rabbit and Walking Through Walls (actually all of his collection!) John Coltrane - The Major Works of John Coltrane, not rock , but: ta-duh-deh-dah-dey, da do da deh de progressive rock is the one field i'm not terribly familar with>(as opposed to jazz, independent rock, classical which i have a pretty firm>grasp on). >>thanks for the suggestions. > >-jim hope some of the above proves interesting. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24737; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:20:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:20:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.22c00845.29b03ef0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:18:24 EST Subject: gigspam: live radio/internet broadcast 3/11/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2iRBmD.A.FCG.gVuf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, i'll be playing live on kcrw's (l.a.) radio show, 'morning becomes eclectic' (hosted by nic harcourt), on monday 11th march from approx. 1120h-1200h PST. (that's the morningtime, y'all). the show will be simultaneously webcast, at: kcrw.com and will also be archived at the self-same website. i've no idea what i might play, as yet, so..... take yer aural chances, as ye may. *-) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25041; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:25:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:25:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <187.41adac3.29b04086@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:25:10 EST Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kungha@earthlink.net writes: >Polytown >Jansen,Barbieri,and Karn ..... i'm glad ya dig that stuff, but - whatever it is- i'm pretty sure it's not prog-rock..... *-) best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25506; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:29:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:29:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <187.41adac4.29b04192@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:29:38 EST Subject: Re: gigspam: live radio/internet broadcast 3/11/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just-john@just-john.com writes: >Have a good time. thanks; we'll see! >(They have a couple of my CDs in their slushpile.) well, i won't be *there* --- we're broadcasting from ny. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25405; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:29:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020228202830.007e45d0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:28:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) In-Reply-To: <3C7ED05A.7B9B@earthlink.net> References: <142EE997-2C41-11D6-ACCF-0003938E5A1C@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh.... You might try, The Ventures The Shadows The Raiders (Angleton, Texas - not the "paul revere and the" group) The 13th Floor Elevators The Mermen The Jimi Hendrix Experience You know, a lot the 'the' groups. M..... At 04:50 PM 2/28/02 -0800, you wrote: >Polytown >Jansen,Barbieri,and Karn >Azigza >Trey Gunn Band >Tony Williams Lifetime... >To name afew favorites > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:34:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25810; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:32:00 -0600 Message-ID: <010201c1c0c9$43d24de0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2DcCnB.A.9RG._guf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jamie, Good to hear that Repeater is still a going concern for Electrix. You know, just like Mathias & Kim provide info about the upcoming EDP upgrades, features, fixes, etc. it would be nice to occasionally get the same kind of info from you or someone from Electrix. Especially in regards to some of the bugs that have yet to be fixed since the release last summer. Thanks, Steve > Hiya Loopers, > > I think I know where the confusion is occurring in > these rumours. Electrix *is* currently changing the method of > Repeater's distribution. Units are still available at many > retailers and we still have stock on hand. There may be a > short gap in production while we organize our new mode of > distribution, but this does not affect the technical support > or warranty of Repeater (or any Electrix product). > > It seems that this little piece of information took on > all sorts of new forms at NAMM (aka: the telephone game). > > If anyone has any further concerns, or would like to > know where to buy a Repeater please feel free to contact > Electrix at info@electrixpro.com > > > Best, Jamie. > > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer > Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... > 250-544-4114 > > > > > ---------- > > From: Candace Meyer > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:32 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: rumour: repeater ceases production?? > > > > I heard this rumor at NAMM a lot--Jamie probably knows as much as > > anybody, so let's believe him--every day is a new day. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26164; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:36:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:36:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020228203458.007e3d70@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:34:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: gigspam: live radio/internet broadcast 3/11/02 In-Reply-To: <3b.22c00845.29b03ef0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the heads up! Good luck on the show! M..... At 09:18 PM 2/28/02 EST, you wrote: >folks, >i'll be playing live on kcrw's (l.a.) radio show, 'morning becomes eclectic' >(hosted by nic harcourt), >on monday 11th march from approx. 1120h-1200h PST. >(that's the morningtime, y'all). >the show will be simultaneously webcast, at: >kcrw.com >and will also be archived at the self-same website. > >i've no idea what i might play, as yet, so..... take yer aural chances, as ye >may. >*-) >best, >dt / splattercell > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25120; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:26:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3b.22c00845.29b03ef0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:29:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: gigspam: live radio/internet broadcast 3/11/02 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >folks, >i'll be playing live on kcrw's (l.a.) radio show, 'morning becomes eclectic' >(hosted by nic harcourt), Have a good time. (They have a couple of my CDs in their slushpile.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 21:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26655; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:43:20 EST Subject: Re: gigspam: live radio/internet broadcast 3/11/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <505CbD.A.WgG.0ruf8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mc, >Thanks for the heads up! certainly..... >Good luck on the show! thankee. we'll see what happens. best, dt / putterswell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 22:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29722; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:23:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:23:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:28:38 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1c0d9$8eee4260$6878580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips~ -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) >Oh.... > >You might try, > >The Ventures >The Shadows >The Raiders (Angleton, Texas - not the "paul revere and the" group) >The 13th Floor Elevators yah man. the 13th Floor are way gone. Roky Erickson also has some bent solo recordings, my fave among them, something like the Devil Alien Dog something or other, though he came back in the 90's with Whatever Will Do My Ryhme. I have a live rec. of The Floor and they were just making a mass of sound and Roky's going off about space, goovy music! best regrads, Pedro Felix - NYC - 2002 >The Mermen >The Jimi Hendrix Experience > >You know, a lot the 'the' groups. > >M..... > > > >At 04:50 PM 2/28/02 -0800, you wrote: >>Polytown >>Jansen,Barbieri,and Karn >>Azigza >>Trey Gunn Band >>Tony Williams Lifetime... >>To name afew favorites >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 28 23:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32717; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:07:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:07:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c1c0d9$8eee4260$6878580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01c1c0d9$8eee4260$6878580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:06:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: prog-rock (way off-topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >yah man. the 13th Floor are way gone. Roky Erickson also has some bent solo >recordings, my fave among them, something like the Devil Alien Dog something >or other, though he came back in the 90's with Whatever Will Do My Ryhme. I >have a live rec. of The Floor and they were just making a mass of sound and >Roky's going off about space, goovy music! if ya wander in the direction of 13th floor and like what ya hear, also check out some early Spacemen 3... they were heavily influenced by 13th Floor (with even a cover of 'rollercoaster'), velvets, neu!, suicide, and others. best, rich