From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 00:22:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26110; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:52:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:52:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014901c17a22$76651fa0$010c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for November 2001 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:41:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for November, 2001. Shows #241 to #245; 1-November-2001 to 29-November-2001 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/ ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ AirSculpture - Quark Soup - Neu Harmony AirSculpture - The Hampshire Jam Concert - none Cyber Zen Sound Engine and Matt Borghi - The Intercepted Transmissions - N-Light-N Records David Darling - Cello Blue - Hearts of Space Free System Projekt - The Hampshire Jam Concert - none Headshock - The Hampshire Jam Concert - none James Johnson and Robert Scott Thompson - Forgotten Places - Zero Music & Aucourant Records Lee DiBane - Falling Upwards Into Sky - Eleven One Records Michael Stearns - The Storm - Spotted Peccary Paul Ellis - Into the Liquid Unknown - Hypnos|Binary Radio International Massacre - Planets in the Wires - Neu Harmony Radio Massacre International - The Hampshire Jam Concert - none Saul Stokes - Abstraction - Green House Stephen Philips and Isomorph - Cave of the Wind - Dark Duck Steve Roach - Core - Timeroom Editions Syndromeda - In Touch with the Stars - Groove/Neu Harmony Under the Dome - The Hampshire Jam Concert - none Various Artists - Beyond Me - Neu Harmony Various Artists - Tracks Across the Universe - none vidnaObmana - Tremor - Release Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 10:22:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16099; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:53:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:53:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 1 Dec 2001 14:47:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 06:47:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Blanding Subject: things to do in Brazil Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello everyone, jans' worldbridger email reminded me... my brother and i are two loopers heading to Brazil from 12-26 to 1-22. normally we are based in the San Jose and San Francisco, CA, areas (we share www.modaldub.net with some friends), but we hope to explore new atmospheres and make new friends in magical, musical Brazil. if things go well we are planning on returning for a few months this summer, with a view towards performing and recording with some of the multi-faceted Brazilians. does anyone on the list have any advice, tips, experience, etc., regarding Brazil? we are starting off in Rio and will be moving around from there as the melody takes us. i have heard good things about liberal politics in Minas Gerais, and music in the north-west, as well as good things all around about the towns of Olinda and Recife. of course, Rio and Sao Palo have famous music scenes... decisions decisions ;) thanks-in-advance, jeff -- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net/ ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- "Who ever needed a majority? Ten percent plus the police and the military is all it ever took." - William S. Burroughs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 13:23:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26532; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011201c17a90$5f6701b0$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <00f301c179ae$d64c9ca0$4a0c5cd1@-> <001d01c179b1$02e66370$1b86893e@simes> <3C08263B.921089B3@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: heavy string instruments Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:48:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > Hey, I put my bass on one of these. Really good for your shoulder. > > http://store.yahoo.com/apollosaxes/gracstanupho.html Interesting, but I don't think it's so much a problem of the weight of the bass itself. It's more to do with my rather "less than subdued" stage mannerisms I used (and probably still would if I were still playing live). Seeing old crummy video footage of myself onstage brings tears of laughter and winces in pain as I realise why things hurt now when they never used to. Problem being is that it's part of the way I play, if I'm "into" the tune, I can't sit/stand still :) Doesn't present too much of a problem at the moment as most of my playing is seated while recording, but in the likely event I return to live playing, I may need a stand like that anyway if I'm playing bass and some guitar parts. Plus the guys in hair metal bands back in the late 80s always had those stands for the acoustic intros to those big power ballads. I always wanted to feel like a member of Skid Row :) Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 15:41:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04399; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:13:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:13:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c17aa3$d6aceec0$57347bd5@w2l1s4> From: "garyholgate" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:07:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C17AA3.D5DA5C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C17AA3.D5DA5C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C17AA3.D5DA5C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C17AA3.D5DA5C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 16:09:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05736; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:41:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:41:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:35:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200112012035.PAA01407@www20.ureach.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Raphael Reply-to: Subject: re: worldbridger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jan, It's a damned shame you're not moving to Dallas. I could really use someone like you in the band I'm trying to put together (Ambient/Dance/Industrial/Pop/Rock/Tribal/World music). Which Asheville are you leaving - the one in North Carolina? Friend of mine, named Geoff Elmore used to dwell there, before he dropped off the face of the earth. That was a beautiful piece of writing there, man! Do write lyrics for your music? I've been trying to find music, to learn from, from those same parts of the world. I would suggest the catalogs from realworld.com, & oneworld.com. Additionally, there is a great World Music channel on spinner.com, that can expose you to a lot of wonderful stuff. As for polyrhythmic, try Hossam Ramzy from Egypt - Amazing percussionist! As for Tribal instruments from various parts of the world, I highly recommend Novica.com. They feature hand-made instruments from real indigenous artists in various far-flung parts of the world. You can buy a beautiful Djembe from West Africa for a mere $125, and you would know the name and history of the artist, and how he makes the instruments. Certainly a much better route than buying those mass-produced remo rip-offs from Guitar Center at twice the price. Good luck on your physical, musical, & spiritual journeys. PLEASE let us know whenever you have some tunes for us to listen to. I'd love to hear it. Blessed be, :-)Michael From: "Jan Pek" so, i have a request for yall. im looking for South American tribal music, spirit of the rainforest, grandfather drum, voice of the cloud, to South America what Farafina is to Africa... something polyrhythmic, polymetric, whatever you want to call it, building repetition. someone, give me the words! i'm moving Asheville -> NYC feeling as though i may get spit out on another world journey, and am magnetizing africa (guinea? senegal? dogon and the nommo?) and s. america (ecuador? brazil? bolivia?) for world bridging. i know i'm here to embody spirit, to bring magic to the flesh. the way of technology magic-- i've spent most of my life there, on the outside, in the crystal megahertz. so i am learning another way, the long road back to embodiment, the 'red pill', if you will. because the guides tell me the next leg of training as shaman is in the primitive, embodying spirit in dance, breath, voice, drum, trance. the animals. so where can i exist on that edge? can i place myself where i can honor and learn from the tribes without eroding their culture? how to exit the tourist conveyorbelt and become of service to these indigenous people, so that we can recognize, we are all indigenous. is there not a mystery school somewhere, teetering on that precipice where the voice is the synthesizer, the body is levity, the breath is operating system upgrade, time is echoplex, where Western magic is tenderly and appropriately introduced, built with spirit of the local land, not bulldozed like formula over tender rainforest shoots? shit, there must be. where is it? right under your nose? fuzzy and blue, yon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 19:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20946; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:59:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:59:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004401c179f9$14f4f520$53944e0c@u73x0> References: <004401c179f9$14f4f520$53944e0c@u73x0> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:51:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: worldbridger Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And Jan definitely gets my vote for Poet Laureate of Looping! totally agreed! >(with Matthias running a very close second) very flattering, thank you. I never thought of myself as being poetic, though. Exept for the emails I dont even read anything... I had a totally scientific education, from my father and at the university, but I am not serious in this, nor as a philosopher... its some strange combination... I rarely remember dreams, but two nights ago, I had a rather bad, stressy one, where I had to give a speach about my work at a congress in Sao Paulo. I was proud to do so, but nevertheless I arrived late and unprepared. Even though I had realized there was a scientific public I got into praising the phantastic capacities of our hearing and magic of music... I suddenly saw the cruxial connection between the physical hearing and the understanding of it in form of a huge multipin connector and thought I had captured and expressed a big truth (improvizing, as always ;-). But when I looked into the public again, there was almost no one left... I even went into some discussion with the organizer, promessing that next time I would talk about pickups and bring some pictures to project, but he turned his back on me, and I woke up, feeling bad... I tried to recapture the secret that I felt and the connector was only a symbol for - in vain. But then a nice picture came to at least ilustrate the tremendous capacity of that little organ with just a peace of skin, two less than precise bones and a bunch of hair in a irregular cone... I will have to elaborate it, and I hope it turns into an opening for some speach for a not so scientific public ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 19:44:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22279; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:21:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:14:16 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: swirlee X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com boys!!!- >right under your nose. seriously. :-) >>i totally agree. >> >>but wait... >>competitive poetry? >>a new olympic event? >>wait! >>olympic philosophy! >> >** sure, but can't you see it now: professional improvisational poetry. >cities with lots of drunk guys with bizarrely painted faces sitting in >huge stadia as their poetry squad takes on the visiting team. sixteen >teams, broken into four divisions, all vying for a chance to get in the >playoffs. championship banners hung high and proud. free agency, inflated >salaries, anti-trust exemption from congress. you are funny, i love. -yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 21:57:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29776; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0991C0.6A135A73@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 03:28:16 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJRND3 in USA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those interested in DJ looping, DJRND3 is actually in USA, in Florida. Please contact me if some one of you, loopers, wants to see it. Thanks Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 01:50:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10524; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:27:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01db01c17afa$5acecec0$1a5ae540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: The Ambient Ping presents dreamSTATE Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:27:02 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday Dec.4th 2001 - dreamSTATE with General Chaos Visuals In their only scheduled Ping engagement this winter, deep ambient explorers dreamSTATE create one of their increasingly rare live performances of swirling soundscapes, dark drones and rippling sequences. As Scott M2 and Jamie Todd weave their electronic atmospherics and loops, Steve Lindsey and Eric Siegerman of General Chaos Visuals will be adding their brilliant ambient light projections to the sound environment and taking the show on a trip into other dimensions. http://www.dreamSTATE.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chill-out and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 10:40:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07998; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:17:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:17:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace Meyer" To: Subject: RE: DJRND3 in USA; also Central FLORIDA Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 07:08:32 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c17b43$3ba6d8a0$f26345cf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3C0991C0.6A135A73@club-internet.fr> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- I'm in Orlando til the 7th of December--where can I see DJRND3? Also, any public looping going on near DisneyWorld? I'll wear my new shirt!! Gary PS I'm afraid to call Emmett Bradford, even tho my Mitigator now says Memory failure when I boot and he lives, like, 20 minutes from where I'm staying. He doesn't support the Lake Butler stuff anymore. Anybody know what my problem is? G -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJRND3 in USA For those interested in DJ looping, DJRND3 is actually in USA, in Florida. Please contact me if some one of you, loopers, wants to see it. Thanks Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 13:44:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18915; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:22:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0A6FD3.C976C3D6@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:15:47 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJRND3 in USA; also Central FLORIDA Loopers References: <000601c17b43$3ba6d8a0$f26345cf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To see the DJRND3, I invite interested people to contact Mr Laurent Cohen of Stanton Magnetics so we could organize a meeting for a US demo in a show room Emmanuel Candace Meyer wrote : > Hey-- > I'm in Orlando til the 7th of December--where can I see DJRND3? > Also, any public looping going on near DisneyWorld? I'll wear my new > shirt!! > Gary > PS I'm afraid to call Emmett Bradford, even tho my Mitigator now says > Memory failure when I boot and he lives, like, 20 minutes from where I'm > staying. He doesn't support the Lake Butler stuff anymore. Anybody know > what my problem is? > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: DJRND3 in USA > > For those interested in DJ looping, > > DJRND3 is actually in USA, in Florida. > Please contact me if some one of you, loopers, wants to see it. > Thanks > Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 16:00:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27636; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:32:43 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: worldbridger Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >so, i have a request for yall. > >im looking for South American tribal music, spirit of the >rainforest, grandfather drum, voice of the cloud, to South America >what Farafina is to Africa... something polyrhythmic, polymetric, >whatever you want to call it, building repetition. someone, give me >the words! the shaman thing sounds much simpler than african music. I did not recognize polyrhythm so far. Its dominated by the strong and regular sh-sh-sh of the maracas. I dont know where the magic is, but it may be rather in the trance of the straight pulse. >i've spent most of my life there, on the outside, in the crystal megahertz. :-) >so i am learning another way, the long road back to embodiment, the >'red pill', if you will. because the guides tell me the next leg of >training as shaman is in the primitive, embodying spirit in dance, >breath, voice, drum, trance. the animals. ... and tea! >so where can i exist on that edge? can i place myself where i can >honor and learn from the tribes without eroding their culture? how >to exit the tourist conveyorbelt and become of service to these >indigenous people, so that we can recognize, we are all indigenous. There are tribes of any degree of approach to civilization. Some still never saw any of it, but you wont finde those anyway. Others live in complicated contraditions and all kinds of sad and intersting mixtures between their tradition and the new influences. But even though the kassiki has a car now, he can still teach you a lot! I visited a tribe once and it was not quite simple gain their confidence. But they were also proud to show off their ritual and I recorded it. Then they told me that many had recorded it and all had promissed to send a copy and never did. So I did. They have a CD of their music now. The friend that brought it there said they were highly pleased. And I dont think I harmed anything, because they had a CD player before. I also had to promiss not to distribute the recording without their participation. Of course. Then I became aware of available recording of similar style... Also, preservation is not really a principle of nature, its a man made, fear driven, and often against evolution - which does not justify some of the distructivity of man! >is there not a mystery school somewhere, teetering on that precipice >where the voice is the synthesizer, the body is levity, the breath >is operating system upgrade, time is echoplex, where Western magic >is tenderly and appropriately introduced, built with spirit of the >local land, not bulldozed like formula over tender rainforest >shoots? shit, there must be. you are welcome to create one! >where is it? right under your nose? depends of the size of your nose... >fuzzy and blue, >yon > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 16:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27638; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:37:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:37:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:32:43 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: things to do in Brazil Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hello everyone, > >jans' worldbridger email reminded me... > >my brother and i are two loopers heading to Brazil from 12-26 to >1-22. normally we are based in the San Jose and San Francisco, CA, >areas (we share www.modaldub.net with some friends), but we hope to >explore new atmospheres and make new friends in magical, musical >Brazil. if things go well we are planning on returning for a few >months this summer, with a view towards performing and recording >with some of the multi-faceted Brazilians. as long as you dont expect to earn money, or even put some, a lot is possible. >does anyone on the list have any advice, tips, experience, etc., >regarding Brazil? we are starting off in Rio and will be moving >around from there as the melody takes us. i have heard good things >about liberal politics in Minas Gerais, and music in the north-west, >as well as good things all around about the towns of Olinda and >Recife. of course, Rio and Sao Palo have famous music scenes... >decisions decisions ;) Rio is nice (just dont go to CopaCabana where the theives wait for you) Sao Paulo is interesting due to big offer, but no nice place to stay (stress) Cities of the NorthEast are beautifull and relaxed and have nice beaches. Recife maybe the most musically "boiling" right now. Music of Minas Gerais is nice, elaborated, soft, sensible... Some names for a panorama of "original" actual music: Rio and South: Adriana Calcagnoto, Zizi Possi, Gabriel Pensador, Egberto Gismonti, Ed Motta, Lobao, Boca Livre, Arrigo Barnabe... Recife: Zeca Balerio, Chico Science, Mestre Ambrosio... Salvador: Gilberto Gil, Carlinhos Brown, Marisa Monte... Minas: Milton Nascimento, Toinho Horta (Pat Methenys idol), Uakti (instrument creators) Since local air fares are pretty high (especially in this season, Rio-Salvador for example US$ 180 / 2h), consider buying a AirPass, a ticket that allows you to travel 3 weeks. You can only buy it outside of Brasil. Traveling by bus is nice, fun, relaxing, cheap, on the hour. (Rio-Salvador for example US$ 40 / 30h). The Rodoviaria is much closer to the city, so you also save Taxi. In january, I have another looper visit from US, but I sure can help by telefone or personally if you come to Salvador. I know a few loopers, too. Welcome! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 17:14:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02096; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0AA031.18F8234B@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:42:10 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pandora tool box: I'm not at ease... References: <200111292138.QAA31132@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are certainly all aware of the fact there exits out there several, not to say numerous, CDs provided to give a "hell of an experience as far as weird textures are concerned". Recently, I came at a friend's place, acroos a CD, Akai format, called something like Pandora tool box. Maybe some one knows it? Because some "sounds" have me puzzled... If someoenes here can hear it, I suggest one take a "lokk" at these programs: regretlessly eeoyee submar brave tulkhed For a start. Either a well known guitar player, intervening sometimes here, and quite alooper to say the least has been part of the team on this CD or something is very wrong... When it doesn't look like it directly out of "Tripping over God" or from "What means solid...." with a very light touch of added treatments, it is definitely feeling like his way of treating loops. Of course I may be totally wrong, I may mistake my wife for a hat, or whatever.Maybe I' deluded or my ears ned tuning... I'd like to have some advice on this.... Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 18:53:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12285; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011202181950.00808960@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 18:19:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Pandora tool box: I'm not at ease... In-Reply-To: <3C0AA031.18F8234B@wanadoo.fr> References: <200111292138.QAA31132@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 'Pandora's Toolbox' is indeed by David Torn. It's from Sonic Foundry's Acid Loops library; I'd put the URL here, but the SF site appears to be down at the moment. (If any of you check it later and plan on buying something, remember to go in through the link on the LD homepage so LD will get a commission!) -t- At 10:42 PM 12/2/01 +0100, m. malhomme wrote: >Recently, I came at a friend's place, acroos a CD, Akai format, called >something like Pandora tool box. >Maybe some one knows it? .... >Either a well known guitar player, intervening sometimes here, and >quite alooper to say the least has been part of the team on this CD or >something is very wrong... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 18:54:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12399; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:31:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <63.2b1cdcd.293c11f6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:23:34 EST Subject: Re: Pandora tool box: I'm not at ease... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8m0XGB.A.00C.jgrC8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com olivier, >You are certainly all aware of the fact there exits out there several, >not to say numerous, CDs provided to give a "hell of an experience as >far as weird textures are concerned". >Recently, I came at a friend's place, acroos a CD, Akai format, called >something like Pandora tool box. >Maybe some one knows it? i know it; i made it. it was the second of my three sample-discs, in this order: 1) tonal textures 2) pandora's toolbox (w/cover art by mick karn, photos by steve jansen) 3) splattercell loops for ACID >Because some "sounds" have me puzzled... >If someoenes here can hear it, I suggest one take a "lokk" at these >programs: >regretlessly >eeoyee >submar brave >tulkhed right. >For a start. >Either a well known guitar player, intervening sometimes here, and >quite alooper to say the least has been part of the team on this CD or >something is very wrong... there was no team; just me. maybe something's wrong, anyway. *-) >When it doesn't look like it directly out of "Tripping over God" or from >"What means solid...." with a very light touch of added treatments, it >is definitely feeling like his way of treating loops. some of the material on 'pandora' comes from 'tripping....' and 'wms,t'. some of the material on 'splattercell loops for ACID' comes from the same sessions as 'splattercell ::: OAH'. >Of course I may be totally wrong, I may mistake my wife for a hat, or >whatever.Maybe I' deluded or my ears ned tuning... olivier malhomme, ou oliver sachs? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 22:08:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25399; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:46:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:46:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:39:02 EST Subject: Re: Pandora tool box: I'm not at ease... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tnelson@metrocast.net writes: >'Pandora's Toolbox' is indeed by David Torn. It's from Sonic Foundry's >Acid >Loops library; I'd put the URL here, but the SF site appears to be down >at >the moment. (If any of you check it later and plan on buying something, >remember to go in through the link on the LD homepage so LD will get a >commission!) .....actually, the 'pandora's toolbox' that SF distributes is a(n only partially authorised) & intensely smallerised version of the original, complete 'pandora's toolbox', which is distributed by Q-UP Arts. thanks. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 00:52:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06102; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:29:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:29:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace Meyer" To: Subject: RE: DJRND3 in USA Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:21:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c17bba$69de62c0$7d6645cf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C0A6FD3.C976C3D6@club-internet.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like Stanton Magnetics is in Ft. Lauderdale--little too far from Orlando for me to drive, but congrats to Emmanuel on this progress and I look forward to seeing and hearing this unit when I get a chance! Gary Lehmann (on vacation in Florida and using the laptop--but Candy says hi!) -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJRND3 in USA; also Central FLORIDA Loopers To see the DJRND3, I invite interested people to contact Mr Laurent Cohen of Stanton Magnetics so we could organize a meeting for a US demo in a show room Emmanuel > > For those interested in DJ looping, > > DJRND3 is actually in USA, in Florida. > Please contact me if some one of you, loopers, wants to see it. > Thanks > Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 10:32:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06506; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:09:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Ezbus is shipping Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:01:26 -0600 Message-ID: <009d01c17c0b$61a9b180$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you in need of more ins and outs for looping, I just learned from the Event web site that the Ezbus is now shipping! Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 12:39:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15666; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:17:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:17:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:04:24 -0500 To: electrons@cardhouse.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 12.8.01 @Zeitgeist Gallery Cambridge Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1tukCD.A.muD.0H7C8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations this Saturday night with some old friends at the Zeitgeist Gallery. ERIC ZINMAN TRIO Eric Zinman - piano John Voigt - bass Laurence Cook - drums entre-acte: PAUL ZUTRAU CONSORT Paul Zutrau - rennaissance lute Robin Tinker - vocal -recorder NEIL LEONARD - sax, electronics MICHAEL EVANS - percussion, electronics DR.T - cyber video projection Door @ 8 $10 donation, or best offer ZEITGEIST GALLERY 312 Broadway, Cambridge 617.876.2182 corner Norfolk, off Central Sq. Central Sq Redline T Stop All ages Wheelchair accessable WWW.ZEITGEIST-GALLERY.ORG booking: -- "Trouble ahead, trouble behind, and you know that notion just crossed my mind" -- Robert Hunter Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:11:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17536; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:48:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:39:44 -0800 Subject: reaktor/pwrbk combo useable? From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-EKmXB.A.YME.Wk7C8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having just lugged my heavy rack on an off of ferries and taxies for the last few weeks, I am more interested than ever in finding a software solution. I have a Pismo G3/500 powerbook (w/VX Pocket interface) and was wondering if Reaktor 3 would enable me to effectively "replace" that rack. The very basics of the features would need to emulate looping (my EDP), multi-FX (I have a Vortex and Quadraverb), and harmonization would be nice too (Digitech Studio 5000). Has anyone had any experience with Reaktor and a Pismo? How is the latency and the effects quality? Did you have enough CPU to do wacky stuff? Many thanks, eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (utter music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 14:05:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21415; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c17c29$40a8eb40$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: reaktor/pwrbk combo useable? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:35:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <94UHFB.A.6IF.EY8C8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll let you know in about a week when my Powerbook arrives! Reaktor's great though, I use it on my desktop machine right now. A Pismo would be up to most stuff that you'd need in a live situation - especially if you don't run Reaktor at 44.1kHz (show me the PA where you'd notice the difference!). The thing you'd miss would be the all the knobs/footswitches etc. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.burningshed.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "e o" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: reaktor/pwrbk combo useable? > Having just lugged my heavy rack on an off of ferries and taxies for the > last few weeks, I am more interested than ever in finding a software > solution. > > I have a Pismo G3/500 powerbook (w/VX Pocket interface) and was wondering if > Reaktor 3 would enable me to effectively "replace" that rack. The very > basics of the features would need to emulate looping (my EDP), multi-FX (I > have a Vortex and Quadraverb), and harmonization would be nice too (Digitech > Studio 5000). > > Has anyone had any experience with Reaktor and a Pismo? How is the latency > and the effects quality? Did you have enough CPU to do wacky stuff? > > Many thanks, > eo > > -- > eric oberthaler > http://www.soundsliketree.com > (utter music within) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 14:24:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23638; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:00:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:00:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0BC2E4.60AFB9E1@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:22:28 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FA: EH Bass Microsynth pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For anyone interested I finally broke down and listed an Original NOS Bass Microsynth on Egobay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1492961770 There is a buy it now price for those that don't like auctions. I know I certainly don't but my guitarist threatened to miss our next two gigs if I didn't put this up :) ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 15:17:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26783; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:55:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1BC88FD1968349449B02BF6018227F3432A2E6@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: reaktor/pwrbk combo useable? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:47:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I checked out Reaktor a little bit as a possible way to avoid having to buy a Repeater, and in my short experience with it, I found that it was seemingly impossible to build a looper much beyond a long delay style of thing - I couldn't find a way to handle tap tempo, which to me was a show-stopper - that's not to say it couldn't be done, but I didn't see how it could be done. Of course Reaktor appears to be very cool for many other things, but I'm fairly sure that would be very hard pressed to replace your EDP with it. Darcy > -----Original Message----- > From: e o [mailto:eric@soundsliketree.com] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: reaktor/pwrbk combo useable? > > > Having just lugged my heavy rack on an off of ferries and > taxies for the > last few weeks, I am more interested than ever in finding a software > solution. > > I have a Pismo G3/500 powerbook (w/VX Pocket interface) and > was wondering if > Reaktor 3 would enable me to effectively "replace" that rack. > The very > basics of the features would need to emulate looping (my > EDP), multi-FX (I > have a Vortex and Quadraverb), and harmonization would be > nice too (Digitech > Studio 5000). > > Has anyone had any experience with Reaktor and a Pismo? How > is the latency > and the effects quality? Did you have enough CPU to do wacky stuff? > > Many thanks, > eo > > -- > eric oberthaler > http://www.soundsliketree.com > (utter music within) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 15:41:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29659; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:19:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:19:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080479A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Looper's Delight (E-mail)'" Subject: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:10:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17C36.9DA46740" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C36.9DA46740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Scot Ray Quintet Dec.7th & 8th Rocco's 6320 Santa Monica Blvd. http://www.roccoinla.com/ 11 p.m. / 2 sets (doors open at 10:30) $10 cover Nels Cline - guitar/loopage Jeff Gauthier - violin Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage Alex Cline - drums/percussion Scot Ray - trombone/compositions An evening of extreme-jazz, avant-funk, liquid-americana and skronk-blues experimentation! The LA Weekly extols, "Scot Ray is a trombonist with an exciting new plan. Ray veers from texture to texture, form to form, but with enough structure to keep everything from rolling off the table. The scattering and unifying drum opportunities surely appeal to percussionist Alex Cline. The intuitive relation to scored line and eventual improvisation is violinist Gauthier's forte. Bassist Liebig will dig deep into Ray's intermittent grooves, then generate waves of noise that'll scare a moose. And guitarist Nels Cline loves playing those tight unison lines and fogging out the big clouds of electronic atmosphere that Ray demands and helps create. Ray has also played in the Brian Setzer Orchestra. But anyone expecting swing revivals here will weep bitter tears." Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C36.9DA46740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam

Scot Ray Quintet
Dec.7th & 8th

Rocco's        &n= bsp;            = ;      
6320 Santa Monica Blvd.
= http://www.roccoinla.com/

11 p.m. / 2 sets (doors open at 10:30)
$10 cover

Nels Cline - guitar/loopage
Jeff Gauthier - violin
Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage
Alex Cline - drums/percussion
Scot Ray - trombone/compositions

An evening of extreme-jazz, avant-funk, liquid-americana = and skronk-blues experimentation!
The LA Weekly extols, "Scot Ray is a trombonist wit= h an exciting new plan.  Ray veers from
texture to texture, form to form, but with enough struct= ure to keep everything from rolling
off the table.  The scattering and unifying drum op= portunities surely appeal to percussionist
Alex Cline. The intuitive relation to scored line and ev= entual improvisation is violinist
Gauthier's forte.  Bassist Liebig will dig deep int= o Ray's intermittent grooves, then generate
waves of noise that'll scare a moose.  And guitaris= t Nels Cline loves playing those tight
unison lines and fogging out the big clouds of electroni= c atmosphere that Ray demands and
helps create.  Ray has also played in the Brian Set= zer Orchestra.  But anyone expecting swing
revivals here will weep bitter tears."






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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C36.9DA46740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 16:26:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00912; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0BE7DC.450C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:00:13 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080479A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > Scot Ray Quintet > Dec.7th & 8th > > Rocco's                            > 6320 Santa Monica Blvd. > http://www.roccoinla.com/ > > 11 p.m. / 2 sets (doors open at 10:30) > $10 cover > > Nels Cline - guitar/loopage > Jeff Gauthier - violin > Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage > Alex Cline - drums/percussion > Scot Ray - trombone/compositions This sounds great Stuart!! Is there any chance you'll be taping ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 17:28:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07039; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:05:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:05:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c17c45$7ac4f3c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080479A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <3C0BE7DC.450C@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:57:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I go I can bring a MD - maybe they will let me tap the board? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott kungha drengsen" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam > Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > > > Scot Ray Quintet > > Dec.7th & 8th > > > > Rocco's > > 6320 Santa Monica Blvd. > > http://www.roccoinla.com/ > > > > 11 p.m. / 2 sets (doors open at 10:30) > > $10 cover > > > > Nels Cline - guitar/loopage > > Jeff Gauthier - violin > > Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage > > Alex Cline - drums/percussion > > Scot Ray - trombone/compositions > > This sounds great Stuart!! > Is there any chance you'll be taping ? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 17:40:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07915; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:17:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c17c46$96cda8e0$f3095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #245 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:04:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <8bixlC.A.V1B.Oi_C8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #245 November 29, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert that sprang up to fill the void felt by the cancellation of some of this year's EM festivsls. The Featured CD at Midnight was replaced by the minidisc recording of Radio Massacre International's set. The set by AirSculpture was played in the first hour of EMSUIC to make up for its ommission when it was originally scheduled. Thanks to Andy Bloyce for engineering the recording so that I could relax and enjoy the show! The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Robert Schroder. The Hampshire Jam http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Schroder Future Passing By Harmonic Ascendant (IC) AirSculpture Part 1 Hampshire Jam Concert (none) AirSculpture Part 2 Hampshire Jam Concert (none) 12:00 am Stephen Philips and Cave of the Wind * Cave of the Wind (Dark Duck) Isomorph RMI Diabolica Hampshire Jam Concert (none) RMI What's The Point Of Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Going to Crete RMI Free Biscuits and Baccy Hampshire Jam Concert (none) RMI Pipe Hampshire Jam Concert (none) RMI Let Me Hear You Say Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Yeah! 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a band from nearby Quakertown. The Feature CD at Midnight will be the band's "Drastic Park" CDR. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Tim Blake. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 17:47:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08326; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:24:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:24:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047A1@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:38:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17C42.CFF2B4C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C42.CFF2B4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** scot seems to tape the gigs - - he taped last saturday's gig in san diego. i think this 5tet is gonna record a "real" record in the early part of next year. it's a pretty rockin' band. good tunes. stig This sounds great Stuart!! Is there any chance you'll be taping ? Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C42.CFF2B4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam

** scot seems to tape the gigs - - he taped last saturday= 's gig in san diego. i think this 5tet is gonna record a "real" r= ecord in the early part of next year. it's a pretty rockin' band. good tune= s.

stig

 
This sounds great Stuart!!
Is there any chance you'll be taping ?



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C42.CFF2B4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 18:18:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10647; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047A2@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:45:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17C4C.2B4F4AA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C4C.2B4F4AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" dunno. i'm not the band leader - - you'd have to ask scot . . . and then ask the club. tho', there really isn't much that'll be going through the board. it's not a huge venue and scot is starting to bring his own amp. pretty much self-contained in terms of amplification. stig -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam If I go I can bring a MD - maybe they will let me tap the board? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott kungha drengsen" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam > Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > > > Scot Ray Quintet > > Dec.7th & 8th > > > > Rocco's > > 6320 Santa Monica Blvd. > > http://www.roccoinla.com/ > > > > 11 p.m. / 2 sets (doors open at 10:30) > > $10 cover > > > > Nels Cline - guitar/loopage > > Jeff Gauthier - violin > > Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage > > Alex Cline - drums/percussion > > Scot Ray - trombone/compositions > > This sounds great Stuart!! > Is there any chance you'll be taping ? > Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C4C.2B4F4AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam

 dunno.

i'm not the band leader - - you'd have to ask scot . . . = and then ask the club. tho', there really isn't much that'll be going throu= gh the board. it's not a huge venue and scot is starting to bring his own a= mp. pretty much self-contained in terms of amplification.

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam


If I go I can bring a MD - maybe they will let me tap the= board?

Cliff

----- Original Message -----
From: "scott kungha drengsen" <kungha@earth= link.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam


> Liebig, Steuart A. wrote:
> >
> > Scot Ray Quintet
> > Dec.7th & 8th
> >
> > Rocco's
> > 6320 Santa Monica Blvd.
> > http://www.roccoinla.com/
> >
> > 11 p.m. / 2 sets (doors open at 10:30)
> > $10 cover
> >
> > Nels Cline - guitar/loopage
> > Jeff Gauthier - violin
> > Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage
> > Alex Cline - drums/percussion
> > Scot Ray - trombone/compositions

> This sounds great Stuart!!
> Is there any chance you'll be taping ?
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C4C.2B4F4AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 18:41:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13432; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:19:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:19:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace Meyer" To: Subject: RE: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:11:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c17c4f$edf806c0$a56345cf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047A1@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also Scot is a wonderful player--chops and taste--sorry I missed the Spruce Street gig Gary PS Still looking for loopers who are ready to play out--want to discuss potential gigs in San Diego. G ** scot seems to tape the gigs - - he taped last saturday's gig in san diego. i think this 5tet is gonna record a "real" record in the early part of next year. it's a pretty rockin' band. good tunes. stig This sounds great Stuart!! Is there any chance you'll be taping ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17868; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:08:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:08:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047A7@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:55:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17C56.045A6830" Resent-Message-ID: <4UK3rC.A.72D.eFBD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C56.045A6830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Also Scot is a wonderful player--chops and taste-- ** sure is - - but that taste thing is overrated ;-) stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C56.045A6830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: hollywood, ca, usa, gig spam

Also Scot is a wonderful player--chops and taste--

** sure is - - but that taste thing is overrated ;-)

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17C56.045A6830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 20:02:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20807; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:40:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:40:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.198.0.96] From: "Paul MOREAU" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looking for Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 01:32:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2001 00:32:39.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E07DD20:01C17C5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I'm new in this mailing list and trying to find an EDP for sale in France. Does anybody know someone or a site who sells one ? Thanks, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement ā l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 20:57:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26593; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:33:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:33:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011203202158.0080e510@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:21:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looking for Echoplex Digital Pro In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:32 AM 12/4/01 +0100, you wrote: >I'm new in this mailing list and trying to find an EDP for sale in France. >Does anybody know someone or a site who sells one ? Gibson's still pending CE approval for Europe, but Zenker LTD in Switzerland is selling them. (Zenker, LTD Feierabendstrasse 22, CH-4003 Basel Switzerland) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 01:31:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14980; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:09:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.120.163.232] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, rumori@detritus.net Subject: More details about SF Field Recording show. Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:01:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2001 06:01:44.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[26E57420:01C17C89] Resent-Message-ID: <0eC7xC.A.DiD.HcGD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, here is the show as we know it: Friday, December 14th 934 Natoma St (Between Mission and Howard, and between 10th and 11th. Approx 1.5 blocks from Market/Van Ness) Doors open at 8, show starts at 8:30 sharp. Music created from field recordings by: Loren Chasse The Quiet American Tape Recorder (Matt Davignon) (Steve Rodan too, if he can make it.) Video projection by Carl Diehl Richard Holland (Perhaps more video projection by Loren Chasse, and Keith Evans of Silt.) Price: $6 to $10 sliding scale. Nobody turned away for lack of funds. The next announcement will probably be the official one, with all the "probably's" figured out. This is just a heads-up since the show is next Friday. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 04:44:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28391; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 04:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 04:18:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c17ca3$67f8b2f0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <1BC88FD1968349449B02BF6018227F3432A2E6@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: reaktor/pwrbk combo useable? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:09:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have seen Reaktor patches with tap tempo, so it must be possible, if not obvious. If it was Reaktor 2.3 you checked out, you should definitely check 3.0 as it contains some important additions. I'm no Reaktor evangelist, and I think dedicated hardware will always win on usability, but the joy of laptop/software is that you can have as much crazy stuff as you like without having to carry it, plus with Reaktor you can change anything. Wish the max delay time was a bit longer? Just edit the patch. Wish there was a phaser in the left channel feedback loop? Just add one in. As ever though, the answer is to play with the demo & see if it gets your juices flowing. Also - whoever it was that started this thread might like to consider MAX/MSP as well. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.burningshed.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy Clark" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: RE: reaktor/pwrbk combo useable? > I checked out Reaktor a little bit as a possible way to avoid having to buy > a Repeater, and in my short experience with it, I found that it was > seemingly impossible to build a looper much beyond a long delay style of > thing - I couldn't find a way to handle tap tempo, which to me was a > show-stopper - that's not to say it couldn't be done, but I didn't see how > it could be done. Of course Reaktor appears to be very cool for many other > things, but I'm fairly sure that would be very hard pressed to replace your > EDP with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 05:00:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29395; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 04:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 04:37:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Subject: RE: Looking for Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:28:27 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looking for Echoplex Digital Pro Thread-Index: AcF8Z3uGfiEsjazqTJK2k2xsX9y1igAOokZA From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA28961 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear All, The good news is that after many months and a substantial amount of cash, (over Ģ10K), I now have CE-approval for the Echoplex with all the paperwork to prove it. I have put an order in today for 500 boards and sets of components but due to some long lead-times, it will be end of Feb start of march before they are in the shops. There are many additions inside the unit, including a filtered mains inlet, a 4-layer PCB, screening cans on the Codec & processor and an additional 35 capacitors which filter every input & output. I shall be doing some direct comparisons with my audio analyser between this latest version, (RevisionG), and the one currently shipping, (RevisionC), and I will post the results. The total cost of all these changes works out to around Ģ15, ($22.50), per unit but I hope to reduce costs in other areas to make up some of the extra. We are looking at shipping the Footcontroller in the same box as the EDP, which saves a whole set of packaging. I also hope to be able to sell direct into the UK & possibly Europe, from here at Trace, which will mean a substantial saving over standard retail. I'm also working today, on slight improvements to the graphics on the front panel and experimenting with different colour schemes. As Kim said, you are very limited what can be done on such a small panel, but there were quite a few comments some time ago on the list about how old/tired the Echoplex looks. Any suggestions for graphical and or colour changes would be gratefully received. By all means, buy an EDP from Zenker, but if you can wait until the new year, you may be able to buy a pair for the price Zenker is charging for one! Regards, Andy @ Trace Elliot. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tnelson@metrocast.net] Sent: 04 December 2001 01:22 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for Echoplex Digital Pro At 01:32 AM 12/4/01 +0100, you wrote: >I'm new in this mailing list and trying to find an EDP for sale in France. >Does anybody know someone or a site who sells one ? Gibson's still pending CE approval for Europe, but Zenker LTD in Switzerland is selling them. (Zenker, LTD Feierabendstrasse 22, CH-4003 Basel Switzerland) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 10:00:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19448; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:36:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:36:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:29:12 -0400 Subject: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues From: Paul Sullivan To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, A while ago there was a pedalboard thread going here. I'm in the process of trying to put together a pedalboard for my (at present) 9 pedal setup, including Headrush, PDS-8000, and Boomerang (so we're on topic). I've come across some problems and wonder if any of you have experienced same, and/or have any solutions. Most of these run through the effects loop in my Carvin Nomad tweed amp. The cables from effects send and return seem to act as antennas, and can pick up a lot of hum depending where they are placed (near AC cords, or near some wall-warts is usually the worst). I've tried different cables, including George L, and it gets no better. This will obviously affect the layout of send/return cables, as well as placement of the (inevitable) power strip needed for my 4 wall-warts, as well as 2 line 6 plugs. Most pedalboards I've seen have the power strip on board, but I haven't yet found a good (noise-free) spot for it. Signal chain at present is: Effects send--headrush--DL4--MM4--Boomerang--PDS8000--(sometimes into Zvex volume probe)--effects return. There is also a Voodoo labs Pedal Power (to power the PDS and a tuner), located behind the line of pedals. I'm also using two Digitech Whammy pedals at present (XP-100 and space Station), which seem to work better between guitar and amp, not in effects loop. The problem there is the gain structures--going from Space Station to XP-100 to amp it's tough to get just enough signal to properly drive each pedal (so I'm getting green on the input lights). This also raises noise level slightly, and in combination w/ noise from the effects loop, is enough to be annoying. I'm trying to avoid using a noise gate (too many pedals already). I'm also looking for a way to build my own pedalboard. I'm intrigued by the pedaltrain concept--lightweight aluminum-type rails. Does anyone know where to locate this (or other desirable type ) of stock? So that's it. In a nutshell, the problems are: -placement of effects send/return cables--avoiding ac lines/power strips -minimizing noise, both between effects in effects loop, and those straight into amp. -pedalboard stock Any Ideas? Have any of you successfully dealt with any of these issues? Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 10:29:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22684; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:06:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:59:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17CD4.50473740" Resent-Message-ID: <-zdSo.A.0aF.5SOD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17CD4.50473740 Content-Type: text/plain I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here have an opinion on it? Carl Jacobson ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17CD4.50473740 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried = it out. Anyone here have an opinion on it?

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17CD4.50473740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 11:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28560; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:24:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:24:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0CF5A6.BA84F842@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:11:18 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FC352188287FE34374960667" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------FC352188287FE34374960667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone > here have an opinion on it? > I got one when they first came out and later traded it for a piece of kit I really wanted. I'd certainly consider buying another one *especially* if it were cheap. Here my take: The unit is very versatile. It has quite a few useful features and even some esoteric parameters that make it interesting. As a delay box on it's own (ie: not compared to anything in particular) it is stellar. The reverse and digital delays are great fun. The loop thing is not that sophisticated but works quite well. If you want to hear it in action I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency Expander instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are all LIFE into the DL4 and it was flexible enough for me to use almost all the features and presets on a 60 minute album without duplicating much. I can't say that about many delays out there. Two things that aren't all they are hyped up to be: The emulations are cool as delays but IMO they are not *that* useful as authentic substitutes. In other words don't expect this to be the exact same thing as a Space echo or tube echoplex. What is it more like is a snapshot of one taste of those pieces and as such is still fun and useful but it is NOT the same thing. OTOH, each preset gives you a different flavor of delay so again, even though it may not be the exact unit it is emulating, it is cool to have many totally different delays in one box. The other thing that was kind of confusing was the whole preset idea. I never found this useful because you get three (four) presets but there is no indication of what you're calling up or what the knobs are set for (fair enough there is no display on the unit). I guess you could look at these as a "bonus" and call one up when you don't need to tweak anything. I just found them too confusing to keep track of so I just dialed in something and then used the unit "live" for that it was great. I recall these were selling for around $200 new plus the power supply. Anything less than that is an OK price. Anything far less ($125ish or so) than that falls into the great buy for a good box category. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. --------------FC352188287FE34374960667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here have an opinion on it?


I got one when they first came out and later traded it for a piece of kit I really wanted. I'd certainly consider buying another one *especially* if it were cheap. Here my take:

The unit is very versatile. It has quite a few useful features and even some esoteric parameters that make it interesting. As a delay box on it's own (ie: not compared to anything in particular) it is stellar. The reverse and digital delays are great fun. The loop thing is not that sophisticated but works quite well.  If you want to hear it in action I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency Expander instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are all  LIFE into the DL4 and it was flexible enough for me to use almost all the features and presets on a 60 minute album without duplicating much. I can't say that about many delays out there.

Two things that aren't all they are hyped up to be:

The emulations are cool as delays but IMO they are not *that* useful as authentic substitutes. In other words don't expect this to be the exact same thing as a Space echo or tube echoplex. What is it more like is a snapshot of one taste of those pieces and as such is still fun and useful but it is NOT the same thing. OTOH, each preset gives you a different flavor of delay so again, even though it may not be the exact unit it is emulating, it is cool to have many totally different delays in one box.

The other thing that was kind of confusing was the whole preset idea. I never found this useful because you get three (four) presets but there is no indication of what you're calling up or what the knobs are set for (fair enough there is no display on the unit). I guess you could look at these as a "bonus" and call one up when you don't need to tweak anything. I just found them too confusing to keep track of so I just dialed in something and then used the unit "live" for that it was great.

I recall these were selling for around $200 new plus the power supply. Anything less than that is an OK price. Anything far less ($125ish  or so) than that falls into the great buy for a good box category.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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  --------------FC352188287FE34374960667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 12:10:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30249; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:46:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:46:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:37:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2001 16:37:51.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[03DEF100:01C17CE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here >have >an opinion on it? > >Carl Jacobson > I for one love it. I would give it high grades particularly on (stereo) sound quality and usability in a live situation. My usage is mainly for its loop delay but also the other "regular" delay & echo effects are great. It does have some idiosyncrasies such as unsuppressed artifacts when changing the delay time (although this can also be used as an effect in itself). Also it's a fixed-level input which can lead to clipping when overdriven (a compressor/limiter on the input might help here) but I have no problem as my setup is tweaked to a fixed output on the driving device anyway. I use it with an expression pedal (an old Roland one I still had, RC-5 I think it's called), of which the main benefit is being able to gradually change between two different presets (one combination of the knob controls on toe, another on heel, and all graduations in between - this is a great feature!) The 14 second maximum loop time (28 in half-speed mode) might be considered a limitation - I consider it a price trade-off (comp. e.g. the rack-mount 60sec version at what .. 500$?) I have it featured prominently on some tracks on my band Fractal's website if you care for a listen (fairly long tracks mostly): http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/music-nat-anthem.html (no looping but uses the sweep echo setting with expression pedal to create the delay change artifacts I just mentioned) http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/music-echo.html (loop delay) http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/music-consolation.html (loop delay) Offering no (hypocritical) apologies for the blatant plug;-). Hope this helps! Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 12:31:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00485; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:59:58 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: darcyc@engin.umich.edu X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #705 X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com eeee-kids- > Having just lugged my heavy rack on an off of ferries and taxies for the > last few weeks, I am more interested than ever in finding a software > solution. ... >I checked out Reaktor a little bit as a possible way to avoid having to buy >a Repeater, and in my short experience with it, I found that it was seemingly impossible to build a looper much beyond a long delay style of >thing - I couldn't find a way to handle tap tempo, which to me was a >show-stopper - that's not to say it couldn't be done, but I didn't see how >it could be done. Of course Reaktor appears to be very cool for many other ive kept an eagle eye to the software front for a year now. i think a software solution will be emerging very soon. the arguments that the hardware peeps have been making about tactile user interface, latency, and stability, are being rapidly addressed by the software peeps. user interface, you have these devices like iCube where you can build your own user interface, or the peavey fader box, or other flavors of switch and pedal comboboards. or if you are more technically savvy, get a basic stamp II and wire up your own switches and pots. it all runs into the computer. and you get to tweak the UI so that any switch or pedal can adjust anything, and so that you dont have any more knobs and dials than you really need. latency, you have MAC OSX claiming 1 ms latency. You have new commercial audio software being developed for it. Someone mentioned ableton's Live sequencing package (www.ableton.com). I played with it. While its not quite fluid and stable enough yet to replace your EDP, id keep an eye on it.. and, for the savvy, you can write an EDP replacement in MAX/MSP. with the right hardware (the pick seems to be MOTU2408 or MOTU828) you can get your latencies down around 5-10ms (check the community pages at www.cycling74.com). when MSP becomes OS X ready, the latencies will drop. latency part 2, You also have a rapidly growing freesoftware Linux audio movement (www.linuxdj.com), reporting stable latencies peaking at 1-2 ms with intense disk and system activity. one audio card of choice seems to be the RME hammerfall (multichannel digital i/o). as for laptop audio, I contacted magma and they are working on Linux drivers for their Cardbus which allows you to plug PCI cards like the Hammerfall into your laptop. the linux people are puritans, serious about a stable architecture. check www.sourceforge.net for a list of free audio software being developed for linux. it wont be long before someone writes a multichannel looper under linux, and it might be really sexy. and while i really believe in free software and permaculture and all that, the linux audio thing is still a beta baby. so im waiting on it. bottom line, the software front is coming. i'd give it another year. for now, i would hold onto my cash, not be enticed by the toys, and play with myself instead. channel that energy into breath and learning, where you know it'll be wise. that's what im doing. love -yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 12:43:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01359; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:20:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c17ce6$ff4922f0$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:13:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nic Roozeboom" > >I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here > >have > >an opinion on it? That unit is essential in my setup at the moment. I've used it on every track I've done this year. The only problems I experience are with clipping on the input, (which can be dealt with as previously mentioned) otherwise it's a great piece of gear. The DL-4 was basically my entry-level piece of gear into looping/infinite delays/etc. I've had more fun with this unit than just about any other FX box/rack unit I've bought. One thing I did do, as I did with my POD units, is basically ignore the documentation. I don't expect the unit to replicate other bits of gear, thus enjoying finding my own sounds, and avoiding the disappointment of the box not duplication the sound of "x" (insert vintage fx box the thing doesn't sound like). Cheers, Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:04:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02841; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:39:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:39:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:25:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4LizW.A.2j.IjQD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >for now, i would hold onto my cash, not be enticed by the toys, and >play with myself instead. quote of the day, for me. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:50:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07389; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:25:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c17cf0$5aa8ed20$17dbd63f@richkroll> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <01af01c152b3$b04acbc0$d0cad63f@oemcomputer> <006b01c157f2$aef0bfc0$42d0d63f@oemcomputer> <00c301c172a2$7a8b4320$02d7d63f@richkroll> Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $365.00 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:20:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0107_01C17CC6.6E7C6720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <2wyeHB.A.RuB.ZORD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0107_01C17CC6.6E7C6720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $365.00 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $365.00 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version. dealer full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. =20 Best looper available easy to use. 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------=_NextPart_000_0107_01C17CC6.6E7C6720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:59:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07990; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:28:13 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: gig spam, Boston area - solo noise guitar loop show X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, all. A little shameless self-promotion. I perform solo (under the name "dosage") playing what could be called ambient/psychedelic freeform noise-rock, all completely improvised. More info below. Dosage (11 PM) w/Pine Cone People (10 PM) and DJ Sulci (9 PM) Friday, December 7th, 9 PM - 1 AM Oxfam Cafe, Miller Hall Tufts U., Medford MA No cover, great veggie burgers For info & directions call (617) 504-8278 http://www.telepathyrecords.com/dosage (The Pine Cone People are a fantastic new music duo of violin and accordion/musical saw. There's no real way to describe what they sound like but it's as original as it is bizarre. DJ Sulci ("the grooves in your brain") will open with a set of acid jazz, drumn'bass, and progressive beats, to loosen things up.) Dosage is the latest name for an always-evolving idea of solo guitar noise. I've got an album of similar stuff coming out in February under my own name: the record is called "Delusions" and you can listen to it at: http://www.mp3.com/delusions My setup now is a two-string baritone Telecaster through a bunch of analog pedals, into a cranked Fender VibroChamp (silverface), which is then mic'ed and run through two Line 6 DL4's (for delays, looping, and sound-on-sound stuff) into the P.A. I'll do a couple sets, all improvised, although in the past there've been snippets of tunes by Massive Attack, Bruce Springsteen, Coltrane, and what have you...... Anyway, thanks for reading. If you can make it, terrific. There very well might be no one there, but hey, it's a free show! peace, Elio DeLuca ____________________________________________ Telepathy Records telepathyrecords.com ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 14:32:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11593; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:08:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:08:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c17cf6$0ebf4660$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:01:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Furman has a new pedal board with integrated power conditioner, pedal power leads, and power strip= retail is like $300 c PS- Unless the pedal is made well your in for a ride- my beloved PDS-8000 is an awful pedal in regards to coloration and noise/artifacts - I am going to see if a local tech can wire me a true bypass for it- also the new Tech21 wah has true bypass- I assume this feature on as many of your pedals as possible would help some- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sullivan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:29 AM Subject: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues > Hello all, > > A while ago there was a pedalboard thread going here. I'm in the process of > trying to put together a pedalboard for my (at present) 9 pedal setup, > including Headrush, PDS-8000, and Boomerang (so we're on topic). I've come > across some problems and wonder if any of you have experienced same, and/or > have any solutions. > > Most of these run through the effects loop in my Carvin Nomad tweed amp. The > cables from effects send and return seem to act as antennas, and can pick up > a lot of hum depending where they are placed (near AC cords, or near some > wall-warts is usually the worst). I've tried different cables, including > George L, and it gets no better. This will obviously affect the layout of > send/return cables, as well as placement of the (inevitable) power strip > needed for my 4 wall-warts, as well as 2 line 6 plugs. Most pedalboards I've > seen have the power strip on board, but I haven't yet found a good > (noise-free) spot for it. > > Signal chain at present is: > > Effects send--headrush--DL4--MM4--Boomerang--PDS8000--(sometimes into Zvex > volume probe)--effects return. There is also a Voodoo labs Pedal Power (to > power the PDS and a tuner), located behind the line of pedals. > > I'm also using two Digitech Whammy pedals at present (XP-100 and space > Station), which seem to work better between guitar and amp, not in effects > loop. The problem there is the gain structures--going from Space Station to > XP-100 to amp it's tough to get just enough signal to properly drive each > pedal (so I'm getting green on the input lights). This also raises noise > level slightly, and in combination w/ noise from the effects loop, is enough > to be annoying. I'm trying to avoid using a noise gate (too many pedals > already). > > I'm also looking for a way to build my own pedalboard. I'm intrigued by the > pedaltrain concept--lightweight aluminum-type rails. Does anyone know where > to locate this (or other desirable type ) of stock? > > So that's it. In a nutshell, the problems are: > > -placement of effects send/return cables--avoiding ac lines/power strips > > -minimizing noise, both between effects in effects loop, and those straight > into amp. > > -pedalboard stock > > Any Ideas? Have any of you successfully dealt with any of these issues? > > Thanks, > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 14:40:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12117; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:15:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:15:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.1e68e285.293e78e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:07:14 EST Subject: re: SW vs. hardware / configurable UI To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com swirlee@angelfire.com writes: >user interface, you have these devices like iCube where you can build your >own user interface, or the peavey fader box, .....or the midiman surface one, or the kurzweil ribbon controller, or the emu command station-thingies..... etc etc. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 14:41:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12208; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:16:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:16:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.1f2e98f0.293e7963@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:09:23 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #705 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <3CKF5B.A.-3C.s-RD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/4/2001 12:03:49 PM, swirlee@angelfire.com writes: >i think a software solution will be emerging very soon. do-able in max/msp, yeah? a la 'radial'..... which seems to have disappeared? dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 14:43:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12333; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:19:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:19:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:12:11 -0500 Subject: VERY interesting article!!! From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2TiXx.A.96C.lASD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When guitars go digital: http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html they're predicting guitars to ship with ethernet ports as opposed to 1/4" analog jacks within 12-18 months. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 14:48:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12825; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <139.5c07505.293e7b0d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:16:29 EST Subject: tools/toys --- breathe & learn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/4/2001 12:03:49 PM, swirlee@angelfire.com writes: >for now, i would hold onto my cash, not be enticed by the toys, and play >with myself instead. these are tools, i think, not toys..... though its clear that the boundary between the two is easily blurred..... anyway, i'm getting a very positive feedback from hardware looping, still. >channel that energy into breath and learning, where >you know it'll be wise. that's what im doing. nice suggestion! i try to breathe and learn *while* looping, rather than 'taking a break' to do so. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13708; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:37:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:37:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:28:52 -0800 Subject: Re: gig spam, Boston area - solo noise guitar loop show From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah lak whacher dewin there on dem downloads... lotsa luck on frinite. s on 12/4/01 10:28 AM, Elio DeLuca at elio@telepathyrecords.com wrote: > Hi, all. A little shameless self-promotion. I perform solo (under the name > "dosage") playing what could be called ambient/psychedelic freeform > noise-rock, all completely improvised. More info below. > > Dosage (11 PM) > w/Pine Cone People (10 PM) > and DJ Sulci (9 PM) > > Friday, December 7th, 9 PM - 1 AM > Dosage is the latest name for an always-evolving idea of solo guitar > noise. I've got an album of similar stuff coming out in February under my > own name: the record is called "Delusions" and you can listen to it at: > > http://www.mp3.com/delusions > > My setup now is a two-string baritone Telecaster through a bunch of analog > pedals, into a cranked Fender VibroChamp (silverface), which is then > mic'ed and run through two Line 6 DL4's (for delays, looping, and > sound-on-sound stuff) into the P.A. I'll do a couple sets, all improvised, > although in the past there've been snippets of tunes by Massive Attack, > Bruce Springsteen, Coltrane, and what have you...... > > Anyway, thanks for reading. If you can make it, terrific. There very well > might be no one there, but hey, it's a free show! > > peace, > > Elio DeLuca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:07:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14265; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:43:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:43:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <135.5c06e08.293e7fb4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:36:20 EST Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: >When guitars go digital: > http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html > they're predicting guitars to ship with ethernet ports as opposed to >1/4" analog jacks within 12-18 months. yeah, hmmm..... it *might* be interesting, if & when the target sound-sources (modelling, etc) are capable of reading/translating complex hands-to-strings-to-amp gestalt, and when the modellers attempt something more interesting than the 'perfect ac30' or 'perfect tweed amp' type of tones. (like guitar 'synthesis' --- the idea is cooler than the end-result, for me, as the sound-sources never have been capable of *furthering* the striking & visceral, gross/disgusting/beautiful idiosyncracies inherent in hand-guitar-amp-feedback relations.....) 2 cents. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:31:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17020; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:06:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:58:19 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: tools/toys --- breathe & learn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008501c17cfe$052765d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <139.5c07505.293e7b0d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i like to hold my breath while i'm learning. it keeps the evil thoughts from getting enough air... > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 12:03:49 PM, swirlee@angelfire.com writes: > > >for now, i would hold onto my cash, not be enticed by the toys, and play > >with myself instead. > these are tools, i think, not toys..... though its clear that the boundary > between the two is easily blurred..... > anyway, i'm getting a very positive feedback from hardware looping, still. > > >channel that energy into breath and learning, where > >you know it'll be wise. that's what im doing. > nice suggestion! > i try to breathe and learn *while* looping, rather than 'taking a break' to > do so. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:31:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17028; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:06:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:57:55 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008401c17cfd$f7234b20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what are they thinking? how am i going to get a true bypass mod for ethernet on my ibanez ts-808? > > When guitars go digital: > > http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html > > they're predicting guitars to ship with ethernet ports as opposed to > 1/4" analog jacks within 12-18 months. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19381; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:23:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:23:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:14:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Reaktor -- computer looping From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112041850.NAA09105@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3090323668_138683_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3090323668_138683_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Speaking of laptop computer looping, has anyone fooled around with Polar, the Digital Performer looping plugin? I have DP, and it's just occurred to me that this might be a cool live tool for loopers -- haven't investigated it myself, tho. --MS_Mac_OE_3090323668_138683_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Reaktor -- computer looping Speaking of laptop computer looping, has anyone fooled aroun= d with Polar, the Digital Performer looping plugin?  I have DP, and it'= s just occurred to me that this might be a cool live tool for loopers -- hav= en't investigated it myself, tho.
--MS_Mac_OE_3090323668_138683_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 16:06:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21301; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:42:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:42:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:35:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200112042035.PAA08789@www22.ureach.com> To: "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" From: Michael Raphael Reply-to: Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, I took a listen to "LIFE - Track 4", and decided to look up this amazing little instrument. I'm in love. I HAVE to get a LIFE! Thanks for the introduction! Blessed be, :-)Michael <<<>>> I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency Expander instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are all LIFE into the DL4 and it was flexible enough for me to use almost all the features and presets on a 60 minute album without duplicating much. I can't say that about many delays out there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 16:15:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22014; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:44:41 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009101c17d04$7f5a4c90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <135.5c06e08.293e7fb4@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0duUj.A.TRF.ZXTD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i like what your saying, maybe later we could use this or another interface to collect/send more guitar gesture information (pick angle, striking force, position on string, facial expression, rock-god-like-pose-choice, etc...) but i think they are just talking about a/d onboard guitar and digital signal out via multi-channel protocol via ethernet... > feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > >When guitars go digital: > > http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html > > they're predicting guitars to ship with ethernet ports as opposed to > >1/4" analog jacks within 12-18 months. > yeah, hmmm..... > it *might* be interesting, if & when the target sound-sources (modelling, > etc) are capable of reading/translating complex hands-to-strings-to-amp > gestalt, and when the modellers attempt something more interesting than the > 'perfect ac30' or 'perfect tweed amp' type of tones. > (like guitar 'synthesis' --- the idea is cooler than the end-result, for me, > as the sound-sources never have been capable of *furthering* the striking & > visceral, gross/disgusting/beautiful idiosyncracies inherent in > hand-guitar-amp-feedback relations.....) > 2 cents. > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:02:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25954; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:37:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:37:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:28:10 -0600 (CST) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Michael Raphael cc: "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. In-Reply-To: <200112042035.PAA08789@www22.ureach.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's a chain reaction,David your stuff is great but thanks for showing us this amazing little gizmo!! I know what I want for christmas, Santa!:-D A+ On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Michael Raphael wrote: > David, > > I took a listen to "LIFE - Track 4", and decided to look up > this amazing little instrument. I'm in love. I HAVE to get a > LIFE! Thanks for the introduction! > > Blessed be, > :-)Michael > > > <<<>>> > I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency > Expander instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: > www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are > all LIFE into the DL4 and it was flexible enough for me to use > almost all the features and presets on a 60 minute album > without duplicating much. I can't say that about many delays > out there. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26101; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:39:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:39:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c17d0b$28b04f00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Reaktor -- computer looping Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:32:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Reaktor -- computer loopingI tried it some time ago (probably at least a year ago). Seemed to work fine but you could not capture a loop live by tapping it in. [You know: 1) tap a button and start playing, 2) play awhile, 3) tap a button to stop recording and start playback.] Consequently, it did not seem suitable for a live performance. But maybe it's changed since then... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Sandberg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Reaktor -- computer looping Speaking of laptop computer looping, has anyone fooled around with Polar, the Digital Performer looping plugin? I have DP, and it's just occurred to me that this might be a cool live tool for loopers -- haven't investigated it myself, tho. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28743; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200112041850.NAA09105@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:58:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Reaktor -- computer looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Speaking of laptop computer looping, has anyone fooled around with Polar, >the Digital Performer looping plugin? I have DP, and it's just occurred >to me that this might be a cool live tool for loopers -- haven't >investigated it myself, tho. Tried it VERY briefly -- when I couldn't get it to use the loop length I wanted, I resorted to other methods within DP to do what I wanted to do at the time. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:09:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30871; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:45:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:45:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:38:17 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Reaktor -- computer looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00df01c17d14$5e3d5420$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a901c17d0b$28b04f00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think this is what they are referring to as the latency issue. most i/o on a pc used to be buffered. the size of the buffer gives you protection if the cpu is busy for a while, but at the cost of disallowing changes to occur to the buffered data. bigger buffer, easier on cpu, bigger latency.... for those with the means and the computer dweeb inclination, kyma promises a latency of less than 1 sample. (so it's only a problem when i play REAL fast) and dennis has some cool looper tools for kyma (available "soon" i hear) i have a pulsar card which promises very low latency, and seems to deliver, but i haven't really used it for real time performance... both of these deliver low latency by using dsp on the audio device instead of cpu for signal processing calculations. maybe as cpu speeds go into the stratosphere and multimedia becomes more important (tv/phone/radio/stereo/browser/pc merge) this will become unnecessary... anyone know how apple is delivering cpu time on demand? > Re: Reaktor -- computer loopingI tried it some time ago (probably at least a > year ago). Seemed to work fine but you could not capture a loop live by > tapping it in. [You know: 1) tap a button and start playing, 2) play > awhile, 3) tap a button to stop recording and start playback.] > Consequently, it did not seem suitable for a live performance. But maybe > it's changed since then... > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Sandberg > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: Reaktor -- computer looping > > > Speaking of laptop computer looping, has anyone fooled around with Polar, > the Digital Performer looping plugin? I have DP, and it's just occurred to > me that this might be a cool live tool for loopers -- haven't investigated > it myself, tho. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:12:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30948; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:48:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0D5133.C49A67A0@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:41:55 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Michael Raphael , SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's a chain reaction,David your stuff is great but thanks for > showing us this amazing little gizmo!! > I know what I want for christmas, Santa! > > > I took a listen to "LIFE - Track 4", and decided to look up this > amazing little instrument. I'm in love. I HAVE to get a > > LIFE! Thanks for the introduction! Thanks for the compliments. I did two multimedia shows based around this album and the instrument at least years Fringe Festival 2000 and for better or worse am probably the biggest LIFE user out there. I *still* find new and interesting things to do with it and incorporate it at live shows here and there. The Main LIFE page is at http://www.technomage.freeserve.co.uk/life.htm I traded emails with Grant @ Technomage a few times discussing the planning of the album and shows and he's a true gadget madman. Alas, last I checked he is completely sold out of LIFE and they are no longer for sale. He has had plans for a newer version (LIFE II) for well over a year now but there's been no update to the web page or additional info. It looks amazing as well but apparently is still in the infant stages of production. You can gawk at it here at least: http://www.technomage.freeserve.co.uk/life2.htm And what email would be complete without a shameless plug. The L.I.F.E. Album is still available for a mere $10 POSTPAID in the US ($11 POSTPAID to Canada and the world). You can even pay via paypal online. about one hour, 16 tracks long of pinging, whirring, analog goodness and looping madness done entirely with one LIFE and on DL4 in real time. (ok I added a *little* reverb on mix down :)) Full ordering info (including paypal info) at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm (and I'm STILL selling generic cover Looper's Delight CD #1 compilations. Just sold one last week as a matter of fact :) I love L.I.F.E ! Glad to share with y'all :) ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:28:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00301; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:04:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:04:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:52:59 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C0D53CB.5B9659AD@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So that's it. In a nutshell, the problems are: > > -placement of effects send/return cables--avoiding ac lines/power strips I would try to focus in on what makes the most noise and put it last in the chain before the send cable back to the amp. Also trying different settings with the trim pots on the Digitech(s) and the Boomerang. My Boomerangs can be noisy if I don't stay on the trim knobs on the back. Sounds like you checked the obvious, i.e. good quality patch cords, separation of the power cables, etc. I use a Spinal Tappish dual level setup with a raised section for GR-33 Synth and little stomp boxes, lower level for Line6 pedals and digitech whammy. It is a pain to move but looks way cool. Power strips, wall warts, extra cable all fit underneath the upper level. Haven't had any noise problems with this. Two Boomerangs go on a separate board next to this one. BTW how do you like the Space Station? I've been thinking about picking one up. > > > -minimizing noise, both between effects in effects loop, and those straight > into amp. > -pedalboard stock > > Any Ideas? Have any of you successfully dealt with any of these issues? > > Thanks, > > Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:39:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01166; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:14:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:10:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: OT: Renaissance Guitars Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings fellow Loopers. When I'm not gigging, looping my brains out, or >teaching guitar, I work part time for luthier extraodinaire Rick Turner at >Renaissance Guitar Co. I first became aware of Rick's innovative creations in >1998 shortly after receiving my brand new Jeff Traugott acoustic guitar. >After a few high anxiety gigs under adverse acoustic conditions I realized I >needed a guitar that didn't make me nervous when I took it out on gigs, and >wasn't prone to feedback like all fine acoustic guitars ultimately are. My >search led me to Rick Turner who had just moved his shop to Santa Cruz where >I live. Rick's innovative semi-acoustic designs coupled with arguably the >best custom electronics available prompted me to purchase my first >Renaissance RS-6. Even Jeff Traugott admitted that in an amplified setting, >The Renaissance sounded better than my Traugott guitar with a good pickup. >This is high praise indeed coming form Jeff who makes a world renown acoustic >guitar, I find my Ren guitars (I now have 3) really shine in a looping >context where layering can really wreck feedback havoc with a conventional >acoustic guitar. I also have been getting excellent results in my home studio >where issues of space, noise floor, and self-engineering hassles sometimes >make recording acoustic guitars with conventional miking techniques >impractical. > We at Renaissance are a small factory without much advertising budget, and >we realize that the one of the best ways to get our instruments out in the >public eye, is to get them in the hands of working pros, and stimulate the >buzz on the street. That being said, I have been given the green light by >Rick to offer pro discounts to members of loopers delight, for any of our >production models. So as not to incur the wrath of our dealer network, we can >only offer this deal to LD members and not friends of friends. Also in the >interest of discretion I am not including pricing in this e-mail, and I'm >asking interested parties to get in touch with me directly at my e-mail >address: chillyb@cruzio.com, or at the renaissance e-mail address: >rturner466@aol.com, or by phone at the shop: 831-460-9144 between 10am-2 PM >PST, and I can fill you in on the details. In the Renaissance line we make >both 4 and 5 string fretted and fretless Basses , 6 and 12 string standard >and baritone guitars, and two different models of nylon string classical >guitars. We also make the Electroline series of 4 and 5 string basses and the >acclaimed M1 electric guitar. Lindsey Buckingham's weapon of choice for the >last twenty odd years. Also you might want to check out the reviews on >Harmony Central, one of which I wrote before I started working for >Renaissance. I would be happy to send literature to anyone interested, and >also check us out online at www.renaissanceguitars.com. >Thanks, >Bill Walker >Renaissance Guitars > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01031; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:12:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:12:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:02:02 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C0D55E9.533D6C58@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------EDFAC1A010B4FF12656986F7 X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------EDFAC1A010B4FF12656986F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My absolute favorite stand alone pedal. I don't use it for looping but use the presets for "swell", "reverse sample" and multiple decays. I love this thing, rave about it to friends. It is quiet, well thought out, and sounds spectacular. Did I mention that I liked it? (just wish it had more preset buttons or maybe banks so I could use all the features without bending over-never a pretty sight) Mike CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone > here have an opinion on it? > > Carl Jacobson > --------------EDFAC1A010B4FF12656986F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My absolute favorite stand alone pedal.  I don't use it for looping but use the presets for "swell", "reverse sample" and multiple decays.  I love this thing, rave about it to friends.  It is quiet, well thought out, and sounds spectacular.  Did I mention that I liked it?  (just wish it had more preset buttons or maybe banks so I could use all the features without bending over-never a pretty sight)

Mike

CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote:

I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here have an opinion on it?

Carl Jacobson

--------------EDFAC1A010B4FF12656986F7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:09:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02983; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:43:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:43:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: 4 Dec 2001 23:34:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20011204233459.26562.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> From: "Linda Marie" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [172.162.31.244] Subject: 1200s Technics Set Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I AM SELLING ALL OF MY DJ GEAR: 2 Technics 1200 MK2s 1 Numark DM3000X Pro Mixer Technics DJ-1200 Headphones Stanton Trackmasters Alesis Microverb Digital Effects Processor All for $545, includes shipping. See the web page we made: http://dj-gear.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Sign-UP for your FREE Backpacker Email at http://www.backpacker.com/email * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * P.S. Click here to get a FREE trial issue of BACKPACKER: http://www.backpacker.com/subs/home.rhtml/I9KF001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:14:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02981; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: 4 Dec 2001 23:35:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20011204233510.26594.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> From: "Linda Marie" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [172.162.31.244] Subject: TURNTABLE SALE 1200s Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I AM SELLING ALL OF MY DJ GEAR: 2 Technics 1200 MK2s 1 Numark DM3000X Pro Mixer Technics DJ-1200 Headphones Stanton Trackmasters Alesis Microverb Digital Effects Processor All for $545, includes shipping. See the web page we made: http://dj-gear.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Sign-UP for your FREE Backpacker Email at http://www.backpacker.com/email * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * P.S. Click here to get a FREE trial issue of BACKPACKER: http://www.backpacker.com/subs/home.rhtml/I9KF001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:19:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03101; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c17d1c$f3aef3d0$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <3C0D55E9.533D6C58@swbell.net> Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:39:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C17D1C.F3470A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C17D1C.F3470A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Killian=20 > (just wish it had more preset buttons or maybe banks so I could use = all the features without bending over-never a pretty sight)=20 One of the reasons I want to buy another. I need another three banks. = Also the enhanced looping prospects are starting to intrigue me. Cheers, Simon Kean -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C17D1C.F3470A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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One of the reasons I want to buy = another. I need=20 another three banks. Also the enhanced looping prospects are starting to = intrigue me.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C17D1C.F3470A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:50:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06366; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:25:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:25:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c17e1d$b610f300$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:17:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found the headrush to be my only noisey pedal, so i have that last, if i take it out of the chain it's dead silent, and i use 12 pedals. when i get my repeater, the headrush will get drop kicked across the room. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sullivan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:29 AM Subject: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues > Hello all, > > A while ago there was a pedalboard thread going here. I'm in the process of > trying to put together a pedalboard for my (at present) 9 pedal setup, > including Headrush, PDS-8000, and Boomerang (so we're on topic). I've come > across some problems and wonder if any of you have experienced same, and/or > have any solutions. > > Most of these run through the effects loop in my Carvin Nomad tweed amp. The > cables from effects send and return seem to act as antennas, and can pick up > a lot of hum depending where they are placed (near AC cords, or near some > wall-warts is usually the worst). I've tried different cables, including > George L, and it gets no better. This will obviously affect the layout of > send/return cables, as well as placement of the (inevitable) power strip > needed for my 4 wall-warts, as well as 2 line 6 plugs. Most pedalboards I've > seen have the power strip on board, but I haven't yet found a good > (noise-free) spot for it. > > Signal chain at present is: > > Effects send--headrush--DL4--MM4--Boomerang--PDS8000--(sometimes into Zvex > volume probe)--effects return. There is also a Voodoo labs Pedal Power (to > power the PDS and a tuner), located behind the line of pedals. > > I'm also using two Digitech Whammy pedals at present (XP-100 and space > Station), which seem to work better between guitar and amp, not in effects > loop. The problem there is the gain structures--going from Space Station to > XP-100 to amp it's tough to get just enough signal to properly drive each > pedal (so I'm getting green on the input lights). This also raises noise > level slightly, and in combination w/ noise from the effects loop, is enough > to be annoying. I'm trying to avoid using a noise gate (too many pedals > already). > > I'm also looking for a way to build my own pedalboard. I'm intrigued by the > pedaltrain concept--lightweight aluminum-type rails. Does anyone know where > to locate this (or other desirable type ) of stock? > > So that's it. In a nutshell, the problems are: > > -placement of effects send/return cables--avoiding ac lines/power strips > > -minimizing noise, both between effects in effects loop, and those straight > into amp. > > -pedalboard stock > > Any Ideas? Have any of you successfully dealt with any of these issues? > > Thanks, > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:50:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06387; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:26:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:26:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <86.13b3e3d5.293ec19f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:17:35 EST Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/4/01 3:00:41 PM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com writes: << I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here have an opinion on it? >> Carl; I'd say go for it. Great bang for the buck on all counts (one big plus is that it's one of the only pedal loopers that let's you go directly into overdub from your first tap to start loop recording). I'm using two in my pedalboard, one for delay effects and one for it's loop functions. The only negative I feel, as far as the looper goes, is no control over the fade - the fade rate is fixed at a percentage of the loop length so the longer your loop the longer it takes to fade away. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 20:44:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10425; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:19:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:19:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:11:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <86.13b3e3d5.293ec19f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone else find the scaling (or linearity/nonlinearity) of the knobs on the dl-4 to be counter-intuitive...i.e. not natural? i always seem to have a hard time getting balance right with that thing... maybe it's just me. monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 21:03:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11244; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:39:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:39:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:32:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Travis Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Furman has a new pedal board with integrated power conditioner, pedal power >leads, and power strip= retail is like $300 One drawback to the Furman pedalboard is that each pedal can draw no more than 100mA. The Digitech stuff pulls around 800mA, so you'll need to use another power supply for those. TH -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 21:06:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11546; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:41:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:41:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1200s Technics Set Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:34:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2001 01:34:22.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7463110:01C17D2C] Resent-Message-ID: <96NdB.A.ysC.dnXD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where are you located - I'm interested if this stuff is in good condition! Jon >From: "Linda Marie" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: 1200s Technics Set >Date: 4 Dec 2001 23:34:59 -0000 > >I AM SELLING ALL OF MY DJ GEAR: > >2 Technics 1200 MK2s >1 Numark DM3000X Pro Mixer >Technics DJ-1200 Headphones >Stanton Trackmasters >Alesis Microverb Digital Effects Processor > >All for $545, includes shipping. > >See the web page we made: > >http://dj-gear.tripod.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Sign-UP for your FREE Backpacker Email at http://www.backpacker.com/email >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >P.S. Click here to get a FREE trial issue of BACKPACKER: >http://www.backpacker.com/subs/home.rhtml/I9KF001 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 21:18:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12460; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:54:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:54:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:46:54 -0800 Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could this FINALLY be the end of MIDI? I sure do hope so. Mark On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 11:12 AM, Mike Feeney wrote: > > > When guitars go digital: > > http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html > > they're predicting guitars to ship with ethernet ports as opposed to > 1/4" analog jacks within 12-18 months. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 21:34:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14414; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:09:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:09:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:02:32 -0800 Subject: Re: tools/toys --- breathe & learn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <139.5c07505.293e7b0d@aol.com> Message-Id: <2515706C-E924-11D5-B50E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Every tool can be a toy, if you hold it right. Mark On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 11:16 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 12:03:49 PM, swirlee@angelfire.com writes: > >> for now, i would hold onto my cash, not be enticed by the toys, and >> play >> with myself instead. > these are tools, i think, not toys..... though its clear that the > boundary > between the two is easily blurred..... > anyway, i'm getting a very positive feedback from hardware looping, > still. > >> channel that energy into breath and learning, where >> you know it'll be wise. that's what im doing. > nice suggestion! > i try to breathe and learn *while* looping, rather than 'taking a > break' to > do so. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 23:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22883; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:21:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:19:45 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Renaissance Guitars Message-ID: <20011204.201945.-446591.0.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,7-15,17-97 From: tony moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey guys, i've been playing rick's basses (fretless renassaince and electroline and fretted piccolo ren) for about 3-4 years now and can't recommend them highly enough. the ren fretless is the most expressive instrument i've ever laid my hands on. and anyone that has the guts to make an instrument with just one tone knob as the only eq (and sound freakin' incredible!) is my undisputed hero :-) kudos! tony ps - did i say they're dang pretty too? On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:10:23 -0800 "William R. Walker," writes: > > Greetings fellow Loopers. When I'm not gigging, looping my brains > out, or > >teaching guitar, I work part time for luthier extraodinaire Rick > Turner at > >Renaissance Guitar Co. I first became aware of Rick's innovative > creations in > >1998 shortly after receiving my brand new Jeff Traugott acoustic > guitar. > >After a few high anxiety gigs under adverse acoustic conditions I > realized I > >needed a guitar that didn't make me nervous when I took it out on > gigs, and > >wasn't prone to feedback like all fine acoustic guitars ultimately > are. My > >search led me to Rick Turner who had just moved his shop to Santa > Cruz where > >I live. Rick's innovative semi-acoustic designs coupled with > arguably the > >best custom electronics available prompted me to purchase my first > >Renaissance RS-6. Even Jeff Traugott admitted that in an amplified > setting, > >The Renaissance sounded better than my Traugott guitar with a good > pickup. > >This is high praise indeed coming form Jeff who makes a world > renown acoustic > >guitar, I find my Ren guitars (I now have 3) really shine in a > looping > >context where layering can really wreck feedback havoc with a > conventional > >acoustic guitar. I also have been getting excellent results in my > home studio > >where issues of space, noise floor, and self-engineering hassles > sometimes > >make recording acoustic guitars with conventional miking > techniques > >impractical. > > We at Renaissance are a small factory without much advertising > budget, and > >we realize that the one of the best ways to get our instruments out > in the > >public eye, is to get them in the hands of working pros, and > stimulate the > >buzz on the street. That being said, I have been given the green > light by > >Rick to offer pro discounts to members of loopers delight, for any > of our > >production models. So as not to incur the wrath of our dealer > network, we can > >only offer this deal to LD members and not friends of friends. > Also in the > >interest of discretion I am not including pricing in this e-mail, > and I'm > >asking interested parties to get in touch with me directly at my > e-mail > >address: chillyb@cruzio.com, or at the renaissance e-mail address: > >rturner466@aol.com, or by phone at the shop: 831-460-9144 between > 10am-2 PM > >PST, and I can fill you in on the details. In the Renaissance line > we make > >both 4 and 5 string fretted and fretless Basses , 6 and 12 string > standard > >and baritone guitars, and two different models of nylon string > classical > >guitars. We also make the Electroline series of 4 and 5 string > basses and the > >acclaimed M1 electric guitar. Lindsey Buckingham's weapon of choice > for the > >last twenty odd years. Also you might want to check out the reviews > on > >Harmony Central, one of which I wrote before I started working for > >Renaissance. I would be happy to send literature to anyone > interested, and > >also check us out online at www.renaissanceguitars.com. > >Thanks, > >Bill Walker > >Renaissance Guitars > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 00:01:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23694; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:37:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:37:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <25326720.1007526521605.JavaMail.imail@doodle.excite.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedalboard layout / customization Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.166.182 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To make my raised level, I cut peices of plexi-glass and built it that way. It's easy to work with and cheep (a chemical bonds the edges together), but best of all you can see under it. I also drilled holes to run the wires through then soldered the tips on in place for maximum stability and customization, but you have to know what you want first. I took all of the power suplies completely out of the board and mounted them mid-way on a customized dolly, the bottom of which holds the footboard and the top of which doubles as a rack mount and keyboard stand. (If any of you are product developers--mackie, fender, gibson, whoever!--give me a ring (USA 415.902.1098)... this is only the begining of a greater design of something that really should be out there on the market.) My question to Mike Killian is what did you use for the board itself. I dig my little riser, but the board itself is just an SBK deal and I'm not at all satisfide with it. It works, but things are a loose and a little cumbersome. What I realy need is a fully customized deal--maybe even remove the electronics, wire the boxes together and mount them in a plastic molded customized jobby or something. Any suggestions? Thanks! Chris Darrow. (Ken Cumani does not exist.) On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:52:59 -0600, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > > So that's it. In a nutshell, the problems are: > > > > -placement of effects send/return cables--avoiding ac lines/power strips > > I would try to focus in on what makes the most noise and put it last in the > chain before the send cable back to the amp. Also trying different settings > with the trim pots on the Digitech(s) and the Boomerang. My Boomerangs can be > noisy if I don't stay on the trim knobs on the back. Sounds like you checked > the obvious, i.e. good quality patch cords, separation of the power cables, > etc. I use a Spinal Tappish dual level setup with a raised section for GR-33 > Synth and little stomp boxes, lower level for Line6 pedals and digitech whammy. > It is a pain to move but looks way cool. Power strips, wall warts, extra cable > all fit underneath the upper level. Haven't had any noise problems with this. > Two Boomerangs go on a separate board next to this one. BTW how do you like the > Space Station? I've been thinking about picking one up. > > > > > > > -minimizing noise, both between effects in effects loop, and those straight > > into amp. > > > -pedalboard stock > > > > > > Any Ideas? Have any of you successfully dealt with any of these issues? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 00:42:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26846; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:18:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <11695935.1007529053644.JavaMail.imail@doodle.excite.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring and noise -- snip sheild on one end. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.166.187 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I first started asking people how to wire all this crap together, there was a general consensis that connecting the positve and negative-with-sheild on one end but snipping the sheild on the other such that it's only + and - reduced overall noise in the system---provided you wired everything in the same direction. It doesn't matter which is snipped, the sending or receiving end, as long as they're all uniform. I chose to wire EVERYTHING in my system (that was unblalenced) with the sheild and negative connected on the send end because the theory behind this seemed to be that excess noise and power would go out through the sheild and dead end, then get sucked back into the chassy of the unit since it had no where to go. I didn't want it all to go into the mixer (as it would if sheilds were connected on the receiving end). Just seemed more isolated this way. I don't know if it amounted to a hill of beans, but my system is pretty quitet and it's all stomp boxes. I didn't really ever hear it all together wired normally as a reference point though. I doubt it'll make a recognizable difference, but it's something you could try for that one noisy unit of yours. It the risk of sounding really confusing, I'm including a little more info below for you to reference if need be, but in the end, you should contact someone who A) really knows what they're talking about and B) knows your particular device if you get into this and have questions. It is important to note that were talking about using balanced three conductor cable for unbalanced two connection (positive, sheild)devices and that the negative of the wire on the snipped end goes into the SHEILD on the unit. Generally, it wont matter. If you are wireing directly to something with only to spots and one of them is positive, then the other's what you want weather or not they call it sheild or negative. If there are three, however come out the sheild but put a jumper over to the negative on the send end. Normally in unbalanced systems, there's positve and sheild, which I'm told is the same as the "negative" in this case and provides a "reference" for the positive. I have no idea in what way the negative is a "reference", so if anyone knows how to explain what's physically going on there [besides just completing the cerquit], I'm all ears. Or eyes, as the case may be. In balanced systems, the + is the sound, the - it's reference, and the sheild is the power. Keeping them seporate is best, obviously. Please, someone correct me if I've gotten any of the theory wrong. All I can tell you for sure is that I did this and my system's quiet. Goodluck! Chris Darrow. (Ken Cumali does not exist.) On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:32:31 -0800, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >Furman has a new pedal board with integrated power conditioner, pedal power > >leads, and power strip= retail is like $300 > > One drawback to the Furman pedalboard is that each pedal can draw no more > than 100mA. The Digitech stuff pulls around 800mA, so you'll need to use > another power supply for those. > > TH > > -- > Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 02:13:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31235; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:39:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Upcoming Performances & Broadcasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Upcoming Performances & Broadcasts: 2-4 p.m. CST Wednesday, December 5: "the job of Catherine and myself..." a live work for radio on memory, produced and performed by students of Eric Leonardson's 4-D studio course. Webcast on free radio SAIC: http://www.artic.edu/webspaces/freeradio/ 10 p.m. Thursday, December 6: $7 Student Preview of Plasticene's "Volume XII" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave. between Barry and Belmont Avenues, Chicago. Volume XII is an original of piece theater based in physical action rather than words. Using three actors, a table, two moveable staircases, and a stack of encyclopedias, it tells a story of love, hope and betrayal. Cinematic lighting and live electronic music (many loops effects) by Eric Leonardson complete this irreverent and haunting vision. "Brilliant... a place that bristles with ferocious physical energy, biting humor, edgy eroticism and feverish imagination... a tour-de-force."- Chicago Sun-Times. Performances continue for two weekends: December 7-9 and 13-16, at 8:30 p.m. For reservations call (312) 409-0400. --------------------- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances & Broadcasts: 2-4 p.m. Wednesday, December 5: "the job of Catherine and myself..." a live work for radio on memory. Webcast on Free Radio SAIC: http://www.artic.edu/webspaces/freeradio/ 10 p.m. Thursday, December 6: $7 Student Preview of Plasticene's "Volume XII" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave. Performances continue for two weekends: December 7-9 and 13-16, at 8:30 p.m. For reservations call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 02:55:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01013; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:26:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:26:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 23:18:27 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: paulsull@gis.net Message-id: <016001c17d5d$578e5220$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I'm also looking for a way to build my own pedalboard. For years I was going to build my own pedalboard, then I stumbled across exactly what I was looking to build at NGM pedalboards: http://www.austintx.net/dexter/ngm/ The bottom of the case is where the effects are attached, so you just pop off the lid and are ready to go. Plus, the second level shelf fits my Line 6 pedals exactly. It was simply the best investment I made this year. They have standard sizes and can also make some custom sizes as well ... the case is put together really nice with good fit and finish. Nick at NGM was great to deal with as well ... >> -minimizing noise, both between effects in effects >> loop, and those straight into amp. I almost hate to say it, but when I got the pedalboard, I also skeptically ordered George L's cables and solderless fittings so I could easily cut custom fit wiring. Well, to be honest, it really ~does~ sound much more quiet than when I used regular patch cables ... so I would recommend checking them out: http://www.georgels.com/ What's nice is I can mix right angle and straight phono plugs to make positioning the pedals on the board easier ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 03:37:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03729; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 03:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 03:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c17d63$07009ec0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Central IL gig-spam, suitandtieguy.com vs five12.com in an electronic battle to the death Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:01:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <6I9vtD.A.h3.XWdD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I figure this is ON-TOPIC, as Five12 and i will have no less than SIX loopers onstage at any given time. haha That's right!! Another Suit & Tie Guy vs Five12 show, right here in Central Illinois! Whack Beats!! Whack Projections!! Whack Textures!! and best of all ... FREE!!! Numerology Level 3 7pm, Saturday December 8 Happy Thought Coffee 953 N Second Street Chillicothe IL 61523 i hope to see you there! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 04:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08585; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:16:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:16:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c17d6c$82f63cc0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:09:13 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It'll certainly be the beginning of a standards war, if previous experience holds true. Whaddaya think, will we have something we can all use by oh, 2005? Or perhaps some of us will be called "purists" for wanting to play our own instruments instead of a synthesizer at a listener's computer that approximates our own instruments for us. Will the firefight on LD go on for more than a week? :) > Could this FINALLY be the end of MIDI? I sure do hope so. > > Mark > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 11:12 AM, Mike Feeney wrote: > > > > > > > When guitars go digital: > > > > http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html > > > > they're predicting guitars to ship with ethernet ports as opposed to > > 1/4" analog jacks within 12-18 months. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 05:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11183; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:08:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:08:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.46.137.8] From: "Greg S" To: Subject: RE: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:01:13 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380ECA@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <016001c17d5d$578e5220$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2001 10:01:15.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[C70CF230:01C17D73] Resent-Message-ID: <5pyukC.A.vsC.qCfD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cheap custom pedal board: 1/2" (or was it 3/8"/) plywood - ~ $4 Cheap soft keyboard case from Guitar Center ~$20 Can of black spray paint - $1.50 Industrial strength Velco - $10 Zip-ties for those real heavy pedals - ~$1 Power strip - $10 No, it's not what I'd call "flight worthy", but it sure keeps things neat and cheap. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 06:25:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14373; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:01:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:01:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011205055113.0080d440@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 05:51:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C05380ECA@red-msg-06.redmon d.corp.microsoft.com> References: <016001c17d5d$578e5220$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anyone has some space, it would be great if we could post some jpegs of our pedalboards... -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 08:46:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22963; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:21:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0E1D51.47FBF768@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:12:49 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues References: <016001c17d5d$578e5220$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> <3.0.5.32.20011205055113.0080d440@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and the mess around it !!!! Claude Tim Nelson wrote: > > If anyone has some space, it would be great if we could post some jpegs of > our pedalboards... > > -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 09:40:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26892; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:16:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:16:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:13:20 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C0E1D51.47FBF768@vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you guys mail your jpegs to me I will post them for you 72 dpi 5x7ish please regards c On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:12:49 +0100 Claude Voit wrote: > and the mess around it !!!! > > Claude > > Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > If anyone has some space, it would be great if we could > post some jpegs of > > our pedalboards... > > > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 10:23:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30128; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: pedalboard wiring: layout and noise issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:56:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you guys NEED SPACE mail your jpegs to me I will post them for > you > 72 dpi 5x7ish please > regards > c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 12:06:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04009; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:42:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:42:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:45:42 -0600 Message-ID: <01eb01c17db4$a9927ea0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Michael Raphael" Cc: "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the WEB-link for info on L.I..F.E. ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO" To: "Michael Raphael" Cc: "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. > > It's a chain reaction,David your stuff is great but thanks for > showing us this amazing little gizmo!! > > I know what I want for christmas, Santa!:-D > > > A+ > > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Michael Raphael wrote: > > > David, > > > > I took a listen to "LIFE - Track 4", and decided to look up > > this amazing little instrument. I'm in love. I HAVE to get a > > LIFE! Thanks for the introduction! > > > > Blessed be, > > :-)Michael > > > > > > <<<>>> > > I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency > > Expander instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: > > www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are > > all LIFE into the DL4 and it was flexible enough for me to use > > almost all the features and presets on a 60 minute album > > without duplicating much. I can't say that about many delays > > out there. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 12:10:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04182; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 11:40:59 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: Renaissance Guitars From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011204.201945.-446591.0.tony-moore@juno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i also have a rick turner fretless nylon string guitar that is absolutely stunning. i'm an endorser for rick, and i can only say that i'd be raving about these even if i'd paid retail. they are amazing. the pickkup system is simply light years ahead of anything else i've ever heard on a nylon string. ric hordinski monk -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com on 12/4/01 11:19 PM, tony moore at tony-moore@juno.com wrote: > hey guys, > > i've been playing rick's basses (fretless renassaince and electroline and > fretted piccolo ren) for about 3-4 years now and can't recommend them > highly enough. the ren fretless is the most expressive instrument i've > ever laid my hands on. and anyone that has the guts to make an instrument > with just one tone knob as the only eq (and sound freakin' incredible!) > is my undisputed hero :-) > > kudos! > > tony > > ps - did i say they're dang pretty too? > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:10:23 -0800 "William R. Walker," > writes: >> >> Greetings fellow Loopers. When I'm not gigging, looping my brains >> out, or >>> teaching guitar, I work part time for luthier extraodinaire Rick >> Turner at >>> Renaissance Guitar Co. I first became aware of Rick's innovative >> creations in >>> 1998 shortly after receiving my brand new Jeff Traugott acoustic >> guitar. >>> After a few high anxiety gigs under adverse acoustic conditions I >> realized I >>> needed a guitar that didn't make me nervous when I took it out on >> gigs, and >>> wasn't prone to feedback like all fine acoustic guitars ultimately >> are. My >>> search led me to Rick Turner who had just moved his shop to Santa >> Cruz where >>> I live. Rick's innovative semi-acoustic designs coupled with >> arguably the >>> best custom electronics available prompted me to purchase my first >>> Renaissance RS-6. Even Jeff Traugott admitted that in an amplified >> setting, >>> The Renaissance sounded better than my Traugott guitar with a good >> pickup. >>> This is high praise indeed coming form Jeff who makes a world >> renown acoustic >>> guitar, I find my Ren guitars (I now have 3) really shine in a >> looping >>> context where layering can really wreck feedback havoc with a >> conventional >>> acoustic guitar. I also have been getting excellent results in my >> home studio >>> where issues of space, noise floor, and self-engineering hassles >> sometimes >>> make recording acoustic guitars with conventional miking >> techniques >>> impractical. >>> We at Renaissance are a small factory without much advertising >> budget, and >>> we realize that the one of the best ways to get our instruments out >> in the >>> public eye, is to get them in the hands of working pros, and >> stimulate the >>> buzz on the street. That being said, I have been given the green >> light by >>> Rick to offer pro discounts to members of loopers delight, for any >> of our >>> production models. So as not to incur the wrath of our dealer >> network, we can >>> only offer this deal to LD members and not friends of friends. >> Also in the >>> interest of discretion I am not including pricing in this e-mail, >> and I'm >>> asking interested parties to get in touch with me directly at my >> e-mail >>> address: chillyb@cruzio.com, or at the renaissance e-mail address: >>> rturner466@aol.com, or by phone at the shop: 831-460-9144 between >> 10am-2 PM >>> PST, and I can fill you in on the details. In the Renaissance line >> we make >>> both 4 and 5 string fretted and fretless Basses , 6 and 12 string >> standard >>> and baritone guitars, and two different models of nylon string >> classical >>> guitars. We also make the Electroline series of 4 and 5 string >> basses and the >>> acclaimed M1 electric guitar. Lindsey Buckingham's weapon of choice >> for the >>> last twenty odd years. Also you might want to check out the reviews >> on >>> Harmony Central, one of which I wrote before I started working for >>> Renaissance. I would be happy to send literature to anyone >> interested, and >>> also check us out online at www.renaissanceguitars.com. >>> Thanks, >>> Bill Walker >>> Renaissance Guitars >>> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 12:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04529; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:53:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:53:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:45:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200112051645.LAA11137@www22.ureach.com> To: "Bill Cummings" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Raphael Reply-to: Subject: Re: Re: L.I.F.E. cc: "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e Resent-Message-ID: <1cHDdD.A.xAB.g9kD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.technomage.freeserve.co.uk/life.htm ---- On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Bill Cummings (billcumm@sprynet.com) wrote: > What is the WEB-link for info on L.I..F.E. ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO" > To: "Michael Raphael" > Cc: "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. > > > > > > It's a chain reaction,David your stuff is great but thanks for > > showing us this amazing little gizmo!! > > > > I know what I want for christmas, Santa!:-D > > > > > > A+ > > > > > > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Michael Raphael wrote: > > > > > David, > > > > > > I took a listen to "LIFE - Track 4", and decided to look up > > > this amazing little instrument. I'm in love. I HAVE to get a > > > LIFE! Thanks for the introduction! > > > > > > Blessed be, > > > :-)Michael > > > > > > > > > <<<>>> > > > I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency > > > Expander instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: > > > www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are > > > all LIFE into the DL4 and it was flexible enough for me to use > > > almost all the features and presets on a 60 minute album > > > without duplicating much. I can't say that about many delays > > > out there. > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 13:28:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11184; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:03:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:03:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047AD@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Renaissance Guitars/rick turner Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:33:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17DB2.EDC4E880" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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gushing praise:

rick is the man when it comes to the electronics end of t= he electric instrument.

my foderas have both his piezo film pickups and his magne= tic pickups in 'em. all sound very clear and natural and like the instrumen= t (i can hear the wood!)

[bill please tell him to finish my new stuff soon!!! :-) = ]

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17DB2.EDC4E880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 13:42:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12425; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007001c17d6c$82f63cc0$0201a8c0@stephen> References: <007001c17d6c$82f63cc0$0201a8c0@stephen> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:10:02 -0800 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Personally, I'm quietly planning to get rich quick selling all-vacuum-tube ethernet hubs. :-) A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding what this technology is. It's not so much about guitar synthesizers or computer simulations, but more about putting a preamp and analog to digital converter inside the instrument, then sending audio samples over a network. Of course there is still plenty of room for purists who prefer specific analog effects, but for people who plug into a rack or floor full of digital effects, and constantly mess with routing, patching and mixing, this kind of approach can work really well. Realisitically, audio-over-ethernet isn't new, and from what I read MaGIC is this year's acronym for pretty much the same technology Gibson showed last year at AES under the moniker GMICS. Don't get me wrong, I am very much in favor of low-cost single-cable audio/control/power wiring schemes for music. I've been using Cobranet (64 channels of audio over 100BaseT) heavily over the past year and it's been fantastic. At 9:09 AM +0000 12/5/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >It'll certainly be the beginning of a standards war, if previous experience >holds true. Whaddaya think, will we have something we can all use by oh, >2005? Or perhaps some of us will be called "purists" for wanting to play >our own instruments instead of a synthesizer at a listener's computer that >approximates our own instruments for us. Will the firefight on LD go on for >more than a week? :) > > > > Could this FINALLY be the end of MIDI? I sure do hope so. > > > > Mark > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 11:12 AM, Mike Feeney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > When guitars go digital: > > > > > > http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3363342,00.html > > > > > > they're predicting guitars to ship with ethernet ports as opposed to > > > 1/4" analog jacks within 12-18 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 13:47:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12862; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:19:31 -0800 Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The article wasn't too rich with detail but they made a big claim about no latency - this just isn't physically possible when converting low bass notes to midi. But converting analog to digital is no problem. So my take on it is that the main reason for ethernet on a musical instrument would be so the analog to digital conversion could be done on the instrument as the notes are played. This would mean every thing down stream from the player would need to be digital. Now I suppose the instrument could also generate midi signals (especially keyboards - no conversion necessary) and those could also be sent out on the net. But I believe that this is not so much a replacement for midi but a unification of analog and midi into a common digital transport. Overall a pretty cool idea. But I hope it doesn't leave poor teenage kids and their garage bands out in the cold. Then again what a market this would create for pure retro analog instruments, effects, and amps. -Allan on 12/4/01 5:46 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Could this FINALLY be the end of MIDI? 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--part1_11a.83e0e74.293fccb2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:05:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19401; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:40:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:40:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:26:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-UmwXD.A.YpE.DbnD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Overall a pretty cool idea. But I hope it doesn't leave poor teenage kids >and their garage bands out in the cold. nah...some teenage kids may start doing some really whacked stuff in their garages with hacked together pieces of the digital refuse we are continually creating... i'm sure there are plenty of us here that remember when 808's and 303's could be bought for nearly nothing at some downtown pawn shop...because they were considered 'old' and useless... and look what the liberal repurposing of those turned into? the oversaturation and hypermarketing of musical intruments/recording gear that is happening at the moment bothers me very much (as i've said too many times before), but i must admit...it does put a twinkle in my eye thinking about how much cool stuff will be available a few years from now...considered old and useless and waiting for my grubby little hands. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:41:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22841; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:16:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:16:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0E7D4A.D63C197A@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:02:18 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oandora.... References: <200112031905.OAA23944@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for this explanation (Ok, I'm, like, 6 digests late...). So I was not so deluded and not so tired (awful typos apart), which is quite comfortable for my poor mind. Thank you by the way, for pointing the existence of other discs , shame on me, I did not know about. May I dare add to all the nice people here that it is at least a definitive "must listen" type ? By the way, Oliver Sachs would not be so bad... Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 16:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24663; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:40:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:40:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c17dcc$881a2620$ef29f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Renaissance Guitars Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:34:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i also have a rick turner fretless nylon string guitar that is absolutely > stunning. i'm an endorser for rick, and i can only say that i'd be raving > about these even if i'd paid retail. they are amazing. the pickkup system is > simply light years ahead of anything else i've ever heard on a nylon string. you're playing fretless now? Have you got anything recorded with it - I'd love to hear it... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 16:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25697; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:54:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:54:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c17dcd$75ae2800$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Crest Audio introduces "world's best looping/experimental music mixer" Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:43:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-x7VOD.A.MJG.cgoD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://aes.harmony-central.com/111AES/Content/Crest_Audio/PR/XR-M.html Crest Audio introduced the new XR-M, a truly compact and versatile rack-mount, monitor mixer designed to provide fully professional, desktop quality mixing performance in control applications, fixed installation systems and more. Housed in a compact ten rack-space package, the Crest XR-M can provide up to 12 independent mono mixes, or up to six stereo mixes for stereo "in-ear" monitoring systems. The XR-M takes up minimal space in a sound control booth, and is small enough to travel as carry-on luggage with musicians who take their own self contained in-ear system with them on the road. Highly versatile, it can be used as a mono/stereo matrix mixer with 12 mono and four stereo mic/line input channels, all with mic preamps and individual 48V phantom power switches. blah blah blah this looks cool. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 16:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27701; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:08:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:08:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:09:16 -0800 Subject: Re: 1200s Technics Set From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011204233459.26562.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone else been promised this? Kevin On 12/4/01 3:34 PM, "Linda Marie" wrote: > I AM SELLING ALL OF MY DJ GEAR: > > 2 Technics 1200 MK2s > 1 Numark DM3000X Pro Mixer > Technics DJ-1200 Headphones > Stanton Trackmasters > Alesis Microverb Digital Effects Processor > > All for $545, includes shipping. > > See the web page we made: > > http://dj-gear.tripod.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Sign-UP for your FREE Backpacker Email at http://www.backpacker.com/email > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > P.S. Click here to get a FREE trial issue of BACKPACKER: > http://www.backpacker.com/subs/home.rhtml/I9KF001 > > -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 16:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28160; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c17dd1$1169d570$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <007001c17d6c$82f63cc0$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:08:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <12UprB.A.OyG.v0oD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now I'm not a guitar player (though I have a lot of friends who are), but isn't a guitar's sound colored a great deal by the interaction of the pick-up and pre-amp? And also by the power-amp and speaker? So a built-in pre-amp/DAC/ethernet would pretty much lock you into a given sound, wouldn't it? Of course you can twist the sound as much as you like at the receiving end but that's a different matter. And I assume you could add an ethernet connection to your amp, too. But then, where does the direct connection go to on a vocalist? Perhaps a simple medical procedure? Hmm? ;) Otherwise, it's pretty cool! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 16:54:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29002; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:29:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:29:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 5 Dec 2001 21:22:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00dc01c17dcd$75ae2800$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> References: <00dc01c17dcd$75ae2800$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:22:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Blanding Subject: Re: Crest Audio introduces "world's best looping/experimental music mixer" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5yW9j.A.s_G.SBpD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looks cool, but is way too big for me - 10 rack spaces! it may be compact for what it does, but personally i would rather have a mackie 1202 or and even smaller behringer or something. i would not want to carry this puppy on a place thats for sure. -jeff >http://aes.harmony-central.com/111AES/Content/Crest_Audio/PR/XR-M.html > >Crest Audio introduced the new XR-M, a truly compact and versatile rack-mount, >monitor mixer designed to provide fully professional, desktop quality mixing >performance in control applications, fixed installation systems and more. > >Housed in a compact ten rack-space package, the Crest XR-M can >provide up to 12 >independent mono mixes, or up to six stereo mixes for stereo >"in-ear" monitoring >systems. The XR-M takes up minimal space in a sound control booth, >and is small >enough to travel as carry-on luggage with musicians who take their own self >contained in-ear system with them on the road. Highly versatile, it >can be used >as a mono/stereo matrix mixer with 12 mono and four stereo mic/line input >channels, all with mic preamps and individual 48V phantom power switches. > >blah blah blah > >this looks cool. > >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com -- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net/ ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- "Who ever needed a majority? Ten percent plus the police and the military is all it ever took." - William S. Burroughs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:00:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29424; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:35:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:35:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:37:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Crest Audio introduces "world's best looping/experimental music mixer" From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00dc01c17dcd$75ae2800$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, very cool, but 10 spaces? -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:15:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30794; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:52:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:52:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0E9543.25775B77@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:44:35 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1200s Technics Set References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > Has anyone else been promised this? I got an email asking me to Western Union cash ASAP. It raised a red flag since I specifically asked for a phone number and I didn't get one. I wrote him back asking for a phone contact and references (offering the same of course) and haven't heard anything since. It may be legit but best case the seller seems a little anxious and ignorant on internet sales, worst case a possible scam. That said, I hope it's on the up and up. I'm passing since I don't need the risk or even the gear :) ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00629; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:12:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:12:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011205220536.80728.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #709 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200112051828.NAA13196@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new to looping and brand new to this list (this is my first post). In relation to the recent discussion about the Line6 DL4, I'm trying to compare the DL4 with the Boomerang. Are these apples and oranges? I read reviews on both in the Looping tools section of this site, and also I read some of the archived feedback. Could some of you share situations in which you use both tools? I've also been told that the Boomerang and DL4 are preferable live, but in recording situations, you're better off with a software tool like Acid. I bought Acid a while back, but I haven't sunk my teeth into it yet. I would rather make my own loops than buy the libraries. However, some of those libraries look very good. Anyway, looking for guidance. Thanks! MJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 18:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02147; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:39:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:39:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c17ddc$f6f1bf80$2361f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200112051828.NAA13196@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: OT: Renaissance Guitars Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:34:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have played trapset/multiple percussion on tour with Martin Simpson and Bob Brozman. Bob Brozman has always been known as a meticulous phenom on the national resonator steel guitar. For many years, as a dedicated antiquarian, we were forced to rent gigantic figerglass cases to hall stand up basses around Europe. Before the last performance we did at Festival D'Ete in Quebec City, Quebec, the incredible bassist, Doug Robinson flew to California for rehearsals and brought his brand new Rick Turner Renaissance Acoustic Fretless Bass. I can't stress how adamant Brozman has been about having things just perfect. He once had me play a leather covered african jun jun with a mallet and recorded it from two rooms away in the studio with a cheap mic just so he could get the 'authentic' sound from old twenties vinyl 78s(remember vinyl kiddies?). Anyway, long story, longer: he flipped out over the sound of the Renaissance Bass. It is the closest thing that I've heard to an upright acoustic bass yet it also has it's own beautiful sound. We haven't toured with another instrument since then. I can't highly recommend it enough!!!! I'd give my left nut to own one (I'm not a bassist but I play one on Bass Looping Tours ;-) yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 18:13:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02578; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:48:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:48:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:52:51 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c17de7$f39c03d0$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <20011205220536.80728.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #709 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1muoWC.A.Ik.tLqD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can make your own loops with Acid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Jane Adams" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #709 > Hi, > > I'm new to looping and brand new to this list > (this is my first post). In relation to the > recent discussion about the Line6 DL4, I'm trying > to compare the DL4 with the Boomerang. Are these > apples and oranges? I read reviews on both in the > Looping tools section of this site, and also I > read some of the archived feedback. Could some of > you share situations in which you use both tools? > > > I've also been told that the Boomerang and DL4 > are preferable live, but in recording situations, > you're better off with a software tool like Acid. > I bought Acid a while back, but I haven't sunk my > teeth into it yet. I would rather make my own > loops than buy the libraries. However, some of > those libraries look very good. > > Anyway, looking for guidance. Thanks! > > MJ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 18:30:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04474; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:06:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:06:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, rumori@detritus.net, phonography@egroups.com Subject: 12/14 - Field Recordings show in San Francisco Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:58:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2001 22:58:55.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A3C2F40:01C17DE0] Resent-Message-ID: <5sJuLC.A.iBB.ubqD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Field Effects: a night of beauty made by the world Friday, December 14 Door 8:00 pm, performance 8:30 pm sharp. $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- The world makes music, remember to listen. The world makes movies, remember to look. Field Effects offers a night of field recording based performance. Featuring sound artists: Loren Chasse (SF) http://www.23five.org/lchasse/ Tape Recorder (Oakland) Matt Davignon's tape-based project, samples available at: http://www.mp3.com/field_recordings/ Quiet American (SF) http://www.quietamerican.org And featuring projection by: Keith Evans (SF) of silt Carl Diehl (SF) Kinetic engineer travelling through time with a VCR. Richard Holland (Madison, WI) West coast premier of his stunning "tiny movies" http://www.ponderance.org/holland/TinyMoviesMenu.html Field Effects is a showcase of Bay Area artists interested in framing the hidden beauty of the everyday world. Beauty on the surface, awaiting our attention. Beauty that must be delicately extracted. And beauty in potential, awaiting juxtaposition, collage, repetition and mutilation. Field recordings are made out in the world, not the studio. Fair game: machines, animals, weather, vehicles, buskers, hawkers, preachers, objects, and the mad. Seating on futons to encourage comfortable listening and viewing. Out of respect for the onset of winter, hot drinks will be available. ----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ 964 Natoma (between 10th and 11th, and Mission and Howard) San Francisco, CA 94103 A few blocks from Civic Center BART. One block from Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. Map at Mapquest: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=964+Natoma&csz=San+Francisco%2C+CA&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 18:49:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05187; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:24:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:24:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047B0@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Renaissance Guitars Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:16:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17DE2.D9FAAE90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17DE2.D9FAAE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I'd give my left nut to own one ** (devil appears) REALLY? Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17DE2.D9FAAE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" RE: OT: Renaissance Guitars

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17DE2.D9FAAE90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 19:07:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06260; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:36:53 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Regulator mod for edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fb01c17de5$b87ff1a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200112051828.NAA13196@hemlock.violacea.com> <00a701c17ddc$f6f1bf80$2361f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just put in the new lower heat regulator and i am a bit worried about something. the leads on this thing are pretty small and it doesn't seem to mount flush with the pc board. is this going to cause trouble when the unit is manhandled? (by roadies after i become world-famous, for now i will be taking care of the abuse...) is there a better way to mount this thing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 20:09:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09837; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:43:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:43:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011205193514.009f8a60@marathon.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@marathon.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 19:37:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick ring Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. In-Reply-To: <3C0D5133.C49A67A0@HelpWantedProductions.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2-nNcB.A.fUC.12rD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I exchanged several emails with him a couple of years back and had the same status report. I would dearly like to have a L.I.F.E. (so to speak). Seeing the current discussion I thought maybe he'd finally made some more... not that I could afford it at this point in my l-i-f-e. I look forward to hearing your album. -nick >I traded emails with Grant @ Technomage a few times discussing the >planning of the album and shows and he's a true gadget madman. Alas, >last I checked he is completely sold out of LIFE and they are no longer >for sale. He has had plans for a newer version (LIFE II) for well over a >year now but there's been no update to the web page or additional info. >It looks amazing as well but apparently is still in the infant stages of >production. > >You can gawk at it here at least: >http://www.technomage.freeserve.co.uk/life2.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 20:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12040; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:03:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:03:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c17df0$dcfa51a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <007001c17d6c$82f63cc0$0201a8c0@stephen> <001a01c17dd1$1169d570$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:56:38 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suspect that the main benefit for integrating something faster and (as they say, gag) "more robust" for transmission of data between instruments and... what?... would be in the area of studio setup. One of the original ideas I remember hearing in the early 80s from some techs at Roland had to do with a grand concept encapsulating instrumental setup in studios. The idea being that synths could be just plugged in, and the patches/etc. sent to them, before the musicians arrived. Less time for checkout/setup at least, I'd say... and not just for the musicians, but the studio techs as well. Naturally this setup benefit would also be seen on the road. This would imply that something well beyond Sysex via MIDI is in the works somehow. At least they're using Ethernet, so it'll be 100Mbs, which is galaxies away from MIDI speed. Analog / acoustic instruments need not apply, I suspect. But since the effort will be able to be shifted from setup for all instruments to just the non-digital ones, I can at least hope that the science of non-digital setup becomes more manageable over time. "Dennis Leas" put forth: > Now I'm not a guitar player (though I have a lot of friends who are), but > isn't a guitar's sound colored a great deal by the interaction of the > pick-up and pre-amp? And also by the power-amp and speaker? So a built-in > pre-amp/DAC/ethernet would pretty much lock you into a given sound, wouldn't > it? Of course you can twist the sound as much as you like at the receiving > end but that's a different matter. And I assume you could add an ethernet > connection to your amp, too. But then, where does the direct connection go > to on a vocalist? Perhaps a simple medical procedure? Hmm? ;) > > Otherwise, it's pretty cool! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 20:59:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13895; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:30:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.75] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wave Digital's new portable PC Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 20:22:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2001 01:22:45.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[8236DB90:01C17DF4] Resent-Message-ID: <_TUH3.A.QSD.kisD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://aes.harmony-central.com/111AES/Content/Wave_Digital/PR/Microwave.html Curious marketing statement by Wave Digital's president: "Since lots of Firewire, USB and Ethernet ports are important to musicians and producers, the MicroWave can be used as a stand-alone hard drive, a hub or a network computer that will enable Mac users to use PC loop-based sampler programs such as ACID and GIGASAMPLER. No longer will Mac music users be left in the dirt drooling over the lack of the ability to run these PC programs." Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 21:14:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14835; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0ECCEE.3DF1A47F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:42:07 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Buying a Chapman stick References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into the world of the Chapman Stick. Any advise? Would there be problems with a used instrument? Are they impossible to set up? She's also a woman, and has smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around on a classical guitar. Could this be an issue? She also is looking for someone to give her lessons in the SF bay area. Her email is: schenk@psy.ucsf.edu Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 21:45:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17390; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:20:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:20:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:22:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As slashdot readers may know this is just a "branded" Cappuchino PC. It's pretty cool, but pretty useless for live performance since it still needs a screen, might as well get a mini-laptop. Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 22:51:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21727; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:18:07 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #709 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C0EE36F.AFA20E68@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20011205220536.80728.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own both-I use the DL4 for it's delay functions and the Boomerangs for looping (although lately more folks from the list seem to have been using it as a delay) They are both great and for me very complimentary. I use them live and loop on the computer with ACID, both my own loops and purchased. And like any other gear, the correct answer to "which one" is always "yes". Mary Jane Adams wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to looping and brand new to this list > (this is my first post). In relation to the > recent discussion about the Line6 DL4, I'm trying > to compare the DL4 with the Boomerang. Are these > apples and oranges? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 04:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17825; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:11:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:11:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Subject: RE: Regulator mod for edp Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 03:04:14 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Regulator mod for edp Thread-Index: AcF96nI9CRI8ZUvoSQ+EBq1SZQ1YlgASTWBQ From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA17252 Resent-Message-ID: <8lgb1C.A.zNE.ySzD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, they are a bit flimsy. I do two things to these guys:- 1. Solder the legs above the PCB as well as below, where they bend over; this makes them much more robust. 2. Put some hot-glue on the plastic base, down to the PCB, to further stop them moving. Out of the 800 or so EDPs we've made, none have had a problem with this regulator, although we've had a few accidents in-house before they are tested; operators snapping them clean off the board. -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: 05 December 2001 23:37 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Regulator mod for edp i just put in the new lower heat regulator and i am a bit worried about something. the leads on this thing are pretty small and it doesn't seem to mount flush with the pc board. is this going to cause trouble when the unit is manhandled? (by roadies after i become world-famous, for now i will be taking care of the abuse...) is there a better way to mount this thing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 04:40:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17850; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:12:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:12:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c17e35$215a0a40$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <007001c17d6c$82f63cc0$0201a8c0@stephen> <001a01c17dd1$1169d570$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Project/Object Strikes Again! Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:05:18 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was delighted to see this notice on Mi2N: => PROJECT/OBJECT WELCOMES THREE GENERATIONS OF FRANK ZAPPA ALUMNI ON EAST COAST TOUR; Former Zappa Band Members Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Don Preston, Bunk Gardner Help Rekindle Magic From '60s Through '90s http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=30390 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 05:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21896; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 04:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Subject: RE: VERY interesting article!!! Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 03:51:04 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VERY interesting article!!! Thread-Index: AcF9vZopg6bQrajsQoaWhOQd3+arLgAe0Bsw From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA20483 Resent-Message-ID: <0rKYmD.A.SAF.s-zD8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For more detailed explanation, go to http://magic.gibson.com/index.html and you can read the entire specifications. This is a very serious 5-year project which has already cost many millions of $$$. I've worked with all members of the Magic team, and they are by far the smartest guys I've ever dealt with; and a great laugh as well. Henry uses the very best people to realise these ideas, including the lecturers at CiNMaT Berkley, which I've also had the privilege of meeting. This is really exiting stuff; I've seen demos which quite frankly, were unbelievable. One of our old friends, Adrian Legg, acoustic guitarist par excellence, has been out with a 5.1 PA system that I designed, all connected via 'Magic' and the results are amazing. Andy @ Trace. -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] Sent: 05 December 2001 18:20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VERY interesting article!!! The article wasn't too rich with detail but they made a big claim about no latency - this just isn't physically possible when converting low bass notes to midi. But converting analog to digital is no problem. So my take on it is that the main reason for ethernet on a musical instrument would be so the analog to digital conversion could be done on the instrument as the notes are played. This would mean every thing down stream from the player would need to be digital. Now I suppose the instrument could also generate midi signals (especially keyboards - no conversion necessary) and those could also be sent out on the net. But I believe that this is not so much a replacement for midi but a unification of analog and midi into a common digital transport. Overall a pretty cool idea. But I hope it doesn't leave poor teenage kids and their garage bands out in the cold. Then again what a market this would create for pure retro analog instruments, effects, and amps. -Allan on 12/4/01 5:46 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Could this FINALLY be the end of MIDI? I sure do hope so. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 07:04:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26516; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 06:36:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 06:36:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c17e62$411b7da0$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Re: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:28:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virna Splendore" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick > >> Hey, > >> > >> One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into the > >world > >> of the Chapman Stick. Any advise? Would there be problems with a used > >> instrument? Are they impossible to set up? She's also a woman, and has > >> smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around on a > >> classical guitar. Could this be an issue? She also is looking for > >someone to > >> give her lessons in the SF bay area. Her email is: schenk@psy.ucsf.edu > >> > >> Mark Sottilaro > > Hi Mark, > > I am Virna ... woman stick player with small hands :-))) > > I tryed to wrote a message to your friend but it came back to me has > Undeliverable Mail... so could you tell her to contact me for any question > or tell me another email address? > > thanks > Ciao > Virna From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 09:36:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03826; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:12:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:12:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c17e78$1f3ab140$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Re: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:04:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn M. Poorman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick > You can check my own "Stick" page for some tidbits on getting > your first Stick and also on various tunings. > > www.detroitstick.com/stick.html > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel [mailto:daniel_c@VTR.NET] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:19 AM > > To: STICKWIRE-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM > > Subject: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:42 PM > > Subject: OT: Buying a Chapman stick > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into the world > > > of the Chapman Stick. Any advise? Would there be problems with a used > > > instrument? Are they impossible to set up? She's also a woman, and has > > > smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around on a > > > classical guitar. Could this be an issue? She also is looking for someone to > > > give her lessons in the SF bay area. Her email is: schenk@psy.ucsf.edu > > > > > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 10:32:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08624; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Subject: Gigs : Erik Truffaz Quartet (and some looping) live in U.S. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:01:26 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 06/12/2001 15:01:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all .. for those of you Stateside, it says on www.eriktruffaz.com that the Ladyland Quartet will be playing NY (Tonic) on the 8th and 9th, and LA (Knitting Factory) on the 10th of this month. I saw them a few months back, and the drummer, Philippe Garcia, does some live looping of drums, percussion and shouting into a megaphone (!) using what looked like it might be a Boss RC-10 or other stompbox-sized widget. Guitarist Manu Codjia also does some looping/delay stuff, but it's not a major part of his sound. - jm This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 11:05:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09702; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:34:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:34:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:25:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Syncing EDP with another looper From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112060109.UAA12412@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3090479132_391319_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3090479132_391319_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if there is another (small) looping device that I could sync my EDP with other than another EDP? I just got a Headrush, (which I really like, by the way -- how simple and elegant!) , hoping that I could manually press the loop buttons and they'd keep in sync - but it ain't workin. Thanks. --MS_Mac_OE_3090479132_391319_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Syncing EDP with another looper Does anyone know if there is another (small) looping device = that I could sync my EDP with other than another EDP?  I just got a Hea= drush, (which I really like, by the way -- how simple and elegant!) , hoping= that I could manually press the loop buttons and they'd keep in sync - but = it ain't workin.  Thanks. --MS_Mac_OE_3090479132_391319_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 11:13:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10119; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:40:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:40:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c17e6b$b4698820$a3924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: OT: Renaissance Guitars Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:35:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17E41.CAB94CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17E41.CAB94CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steuart and Rick: For shame! For shame! Every string player knows that without a nut = proper intonation is impossible! ;-) I'd give my left nut to own one=20 ** (devil appears) REALLY?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17E41.CAB94CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Renaissance = Guitars
Steuart and Rick:
 
For = shame! =20 For shame!  Every string player knows that without a nut proper = intonation=20 is impossible!  ;-)

I'd give my left nut to own one

** (devil appears) REALLY?=20

------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17E41.CAB94CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 11:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12486; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:04:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:04:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Loopers Gear Page To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html pauls info is not what he sent me in the mail- but i am working on this at work and left that email at home... more to come...send your pics! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 11:35:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12601; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:06:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:06:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c17e70$2d53fb40$d02cf7a5@billcumm> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: "Reality Users Group" , , "opcode-users" , , , "K5000 Users List" , , , "ASR-X List" , , "ACID Casualties Division" , Subject: [OT] Today In History (interesting trivia tidbit) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:07:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com December 6, 1877 First sound recording, "Mary had a Little Lamb," was made by Thomas Edison. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 12:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14353; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:37:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:37:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:30:35 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT: Renaissance Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004e01c17e73$55256f20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004101c17e6b$b4698820$a3924e0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com luckily there's no shortage of nuts on this list.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pokorny" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: OT: Renaissance Guitars Steuart and Rick: For shame! For shame! Every string player knows that without a nut proper intonation is impossible! ;-) I'd give my left nut to own one ** (devil appears) REALLY? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 12:21:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15260; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:49:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:41:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001801c17e62$411b7da0$23719818@default> Message-Id: <26C2F07E-EA68-11D5-BA32-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: <8kkMb.A.ElD.RA6D8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, thanks for fwd'd my post. I actually followed links posted, and found it myself. You kids are swell. Mark On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 06:28 AM, Daniel wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Virna Splendore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick > > >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into > the >>> world >>>> of the Chapman Stick. Any advise? Would there be problems with a >>>> used >>>> instrument? Are they impossible to set up? She's also a woman, and > has >>>> smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around >>>> on > a >>>> classical guitar. Could this be an issue? She also is looking for >>> someone to >>>> give her lessons in the SF bay area. Her email is: >>>> schenk@psy.ucsf.edu >>>> >>>> Mark Sottilaro >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> I am Virna ... woman stick player with small hands :-))) >> >> I tryed to wrote a message to your friend but it came back to me has >> Undeliverable Mail... so could you tell her to contact me for any > question >> or tell me another email address? >> >> thanks >> Ciao >> Virna > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 12:26:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15547; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:55:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:55:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:47:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Syncing EDP with another looper Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--714716788 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--714716788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well, the cheapest route would probably to try and hunt down a used=20 JamMan. I found it's MIDI synch to work reasonably well. Kind of=20 small, but still a shallow single rack mount. Then there's the=20 Repeater. An amazing device, but it's a two rack mount shallow=20 chassis. those are the smallest synchable devices I can think of. Mark On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 07:25 AM, Steve Sandberg wrote: > Does anyone know if there is another (small) looping device that I=20 > could sync my EDP with other than another EDP? =A0I just got a = Headrush,=20 > (which I really like, by the way -- how simple and elegant!) , hoping=20= > that I could manually press the loop buttons and they'd keep in sync -=20= > but it ain't workin. =A0Thanks. --Apple-Mail-1--714716788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, the cheapest route would probably to try and hunt down a used JamMan. I found it's MIDI synch to work reasonably well. Kind of small, but still a shallow single rack mount. Then there's the Repeater. An amazing device, but it's a two rack mount shallow chassis. those are the smallest synchable devices I can think of. Mark On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 07:25 AM, Steve Sandberg wrote: Does anyone know if there is another (small) looping device that I could sync my EDP with other than another EDP? =A0I just got a Headrush, (which I really like, by the way -- how simple and elegant!) , hoping that I could manually press the loop buttons and they'd keep in sync - but it ain't workin. = =A0Thanks.= --Apple-Mail-1--714716788-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 12:55:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19370; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:30:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:23:43 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Regulator mod for edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007901c17e7a$c17e8a10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks a bunch. anybody who says tech support for the edp is bad must just not be trying... > Yes, they are a bit flimsy. I do two things to these guys:- > 1. Solder the legs above the PCB as well as below, where they bend over; > this makes them much more robust. > 2. Put some hot-glue on the plastic base, down to the PCB, to further > stop them moving. > Out of the 800 or so EDPs we've made, none have had a problem with this > regulator, although we've had a few accidents in-house before they are > tested; operators snapping them clean off the board. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: 05 December 2001 23:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Regulator mod for edp > > > i just put in the new lower heat regulator and i am a bit worried about > something. > the leads on this thing are pretty small and it doesn't seem to mount > flush with the > pc board. is this going to cause trouble when the unit is manhandled? > (by roadies after i become world-famous, for now i will be taking care > of the abuse...) > > is there a better way to mount this thing? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 13:12:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20037; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:43:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Looper Gear Gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c17e73$55256f20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery submit soon! http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 13:48:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23704; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:02:20 -0800 Subject: Repeater Deal? To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In case anyone's interested, Full Compass's current catalogue indicates they're blowing out 5 Repeaters at $499.00 ea. I'm not in the market myself, but if I'm recalling correctly this is a good price. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 14:01:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25060; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:31:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:31:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c17e83$45e2edc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:24:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks cool- I will try to submit a pic soon- Paul's rig is very cool- but is "Korg PDS 8000" correct? DigiTech I thought- and it must be in the back cuz I don't see it- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: Looper Gear Gallery > ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery > > submit soon! > http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 15:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31071; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c17ea7$26ae9b60$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:41:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6lHH-.A.OgH.bp8D8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veda, Qua" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick > As a new player, the Stick being my first musical instrument, I can offer > some of my experience. > I bought a used Grand from someone who advertised on Sticknews.com. It > appeared to be in very good condition. I took it to a local guitar shop for > new strings and cleaning etc. But they were not familiar with the subtleties > of optimum set up. So I ended up sending to Stick Enterprises so I'd be > confident of that the instrument was in the best shape possible. They did > some fretwork, and proper 6+6 setup. I strongly recommend obtaining a used > instrument from SE, or finding a used one and sending to them if you have > any doubt about its condition. > > It takes some hands-on experience to build confidence with your own truss > rod adjustments, but other than that, the Stick requires no tweeking that I > can think of. > > Your friend is fortunate that Bob Culbertson is located in San Jose (I > think) so she could possibly contact him for some lessons. I've found his > video to be the best way for me to get started. > > Its an amazing instrument, but you need to give it some time, and be > patient. > > have fun!! > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel [mailto:daniel_c@VTR.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:19 PM > To: STICKWIRE-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM > Subject: [SW] Fw: Buying a Chapman stick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:42 PM > Subject: OT: Buying a Chapman stick > > > > Hey, > > > > One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into the > world > > of the Chapman Stick. Any advise? Would there be problems with a used > > instrument? Are they impossible to set up? She's also a woman, and has > > smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around on a > > classical guitar. Could this be an issue? She also is looking for > someone to > > give her lessons in the SF bay area. Her email is: schenk@psy.ucsf.edu > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 15:14:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31040; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:49:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:49:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:41:40 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: take the red pill X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Every tool can be a toy, if you hold it right. > >Mark double amen!! i studied with the engineers in uni, and the mascot was this giant 300 lb wrench called 'THE TOOL'. i remember worshipping it at a bizarre frosh initiation involving supersoakers with purple dye ammo and a lot of chains and handcuffs. its classic, boys with toys. its just, we like to romanticize it. besides, on breath vs machinery, its very tricky stuff. you know how people disappear into the matrix. one minute you are SINGING, BREATHING, JUMPinG UP MOUNTAINS. then you sit down at the puter to create some loops.... time passes... Machine Lord woos you with features, plugins. next thing you awake, you are writing a vocal formant synthesizer and youve forgotten how to SING, you are JUMPING UP MOUNTAINS in Quake and, in a frantic moment of clarity, you wire up lung capacity sensors to your monitor dimmer so that the screen fades whenever you stop breathing-- cuz you know its too late. You've been eaten. Know what i mean? the secret is extraction. the red pill. something im quite expert at. bumbling, yon > In a message dated 12/4/2001 12:03:49 PM, swirlee@angelfire.com writes: > >> for now, i would hold onto my cash, not be enticed by the toys, and >> play >> with myself instead. > these are tools, i think, not toys..... though its clear that the > boundary > between the two is easily blurred..... > anyway, i'm getting a very positive feedback from hardware looping, > still. > >> channel that energy into breath and learning, where >> you know it'll be wise. that's what im doing. > nice suggestion! > i try to breathe and learn *while* looping, rather than 'taking a > break' to > do so. > best, > dt / splattercell > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 15:19:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31426; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:56:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:53:32 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c17e83$45e2edc0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hehe yeh i forgot the name of it so i made something up i have paul's real info at home On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:24:40 -0800 "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > Looks cool- I will try to submit a pic soon- Paul's rig > is very cool- but is > "Korg PDS 8000" correct? DigiTech I thought- and it must > be in the back cuz > I don't see it- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 AM > Subject: Looper Gear Gallery > > > > ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery > > > > submit soon! > > http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 16:05:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03477; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:29:30 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00dc01c17e94$b522f070$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't forget to give proper homage to the mighty vortex... > hehe > yeh i forgot the name of it so i made something up > i have paul's real info at home > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:24:40 -0800 > "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > > Looks cool- I will try to submit a pic soon- Paul's rig > > is very cool- but is > > "Korg PDS 8000" correct? DigiTech I thought- and it must > > be in the back cuz > > I don't see it- > > > > Cliff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christopher White" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 AM > > Subject: Looper Gear Gallery > > > > > > > ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery > > > > > > submit soon! > > > http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 17:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09463; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:44:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:44:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00dc01c17e94$b522f070$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i shall not... it was just a sketch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 17:10:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09549; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:44:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:44:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047BF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looper Gear Gallery Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:37:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17E9E.28FBFCE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17E9E.28FBFCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" also, wasn't there a lexicon device in there? -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery Looks cool- I will try to submit a pic soon- Paul's rig is very cool- but is "Korg PDS 8000" correct? DigiTech I thought- and it must be in the back cuz I don't see it- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher White" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: Looper Gear Gallery > ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery > > submit soon! > http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html > Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17E9E.28FBFCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" RE: Looper Gear Gallery

also, wasn't there a lexicon device in there?

-----Original Message-----
From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:25 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery


Looks cool- I will try to submit a pic soon- Paul's rig is very cool- but is
"Korg PDS 8000" correct? DigiTech I thought- and it must be in the back cuz
I don't see it-

Cliff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher White" <magicicada@charter.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 AM
Subject: Looper Gear Gallery


> ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery
>
> submit soon!
> http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C17E9E.28FBFCE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 17:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13044; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:30:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:30:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D08047BF@mitorexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hahaha Again for the RECORD IT IS A SKETCH-I JUST THREW SOME WORDS UP TO SEE HOW IT WILL LOOK- I have Paul's Info at home he wrote it all down for me-just like you guys should dowhen you send me pics regards and respect c.white n Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:37:10 -0500 "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > also, wasn't there a lexicon device in there? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery > > > Looks cool- I will try to submit a pic soon- Paul's rig > is very cool- but is > "Korg PDS 8000" correct? DigiTech I thought- and it must > be in the back cuz > I don't see it- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher White" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 AM > Subject: Looper Gear Gallery > > > > ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery > > > > submit soon! > > http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html > > > > > Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail > contains information intended only for the use of the > individual or entity named above. If the reader of this > e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or > agent responsible for delivering it to the intended > recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of > this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not > accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or > damage to your data or computer system that may occur > while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this > e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank > you. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 18:59:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17940; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:35:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:28:08 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012001c17ead$a9c35f80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and there's a vortex, too. right? > hahaha > Again for the RECORD > IT IS A SKETCH-I JUST THREW SOME WORDS UP TO SEE HOW IT WILL > LOOK- I have Paul's Info at home he wrote it all down for > me-just like you guys should dowhen you send me pics > regards and respect > c.white > > n Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:37:10 -0500 > "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > also, wasn't there a lexicon device in there? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > > [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:25 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Looper Gear Gallery > > > > > > Looks cool- I will try to submit a pic soon- Paul's rig > > is very cool- but is > > "Korg PDS 8000" correct? DigiTech I thought- and it must > > be in the back cuz > > I don't see it- > > > > Cliff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christopher White" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:39 AM > > Subject: Looper Gear Gallery > > > > > > > ok i updated the final version of the gear gallery > > > > > > submit soon! > > > http://www.magicicada.com/loopers.html > > > > > > > > > Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail > > contains information intended only for the use of the > > individual or entity named above. If the reader of this > > e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or > > agent responsible for delivering it to the intended > > recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of > > this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not > > accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or > > damage to your data or computer system that may occur > > while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this > > e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, > > please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank > > you. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:00:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22845; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:29:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:29:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C100B8F.1A835A53@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:21:35 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: take the red pill References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll see your amen, and raise you a hallalullia, ma man. I, for one, find it all to easy to get sucked into the world of THINGS, but I've gotten better in my old age. If you spend all your time learning software, you really never get intimate with your tools/toys and without that intimacy it is tough to make ART. I'm really bummed that the software I've been using (Metro 5) is no longer going to be updated by Cakewalk. I've been with it since version 3 when it was MIDI only, and now it's not working well on my G4 running OS 9.2.1. So I guess it's the end of the line, and I'm back to looking for a sequencer/hard disk recorder that will work with OSX. Looks like Logic 5. Looks like my wife will be getting my Korg 1212i/o as well. What was deluxe, becomes debris.... OK, gotta go, the machine lord beckons... Mark Jan Pek wrote: > >Every tool can be a toy, if you hold it right. > > > >Mark > > double amen!! i studied with the engineers in uni, and the mascot was this giant 300 lb wrench called 'THE TOOL'. i remember worshipping it at a bizarre frosh initiation involving supersoakers with purple dye ammo and a lot of chains and handcuffs. its classic, boys with toys. its just, we like to romanticize it. > > besides, on breath vs machinery, its very tricky stuff. you know how people disappear into the matrix. > > one minute you are SINGING, BREATHING, JUMPinG UP MOUNTAINS. then you sit down at the puter to create some loops.... time passes... Machine Lord woos you with features, plugins. > > next thing you awake, you are writing a vocal formant synthesizer and youve forgotten how to SING, you are JUMPING UP MOUNTAINS in Quake and, in a frantic moment of clarity, you wire up lung capacity sensors to your monitor dimmer so that the screen fades whenever you stop breathing-- cuz you know its too late. You've been eaten. Know what i mean? > > the secret is extraction. the red pill. something im quite expert at. > > bumbling, > yon > > > In a message dated 12/4/2001 12:03:49 PM, swirlee@angelfire.com writes: > > > >> for now, i would hold onto my cash, not be enticed by the toys, and > >> play > >> with myself instead. > > these are tools, i think, not toys..... though its clear that the > > boundary > > between the two is easily blurred..... > > anyway, i'm getting a very positive feedback from hardware looping, > > still. > > > >> channel that energy into breath and learning, where > >> you know it'll be wise. that's what im doing. > > nice suggestion! > > i try to breathe and learn *while* looping, rather than 'taking a > > break' to > > do so. > > best, > > dt / splattercell > > > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:27:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24409; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:56:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:56:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <172.48bc7b.29416c07@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:49:11 EST Subject: Re: take the red pill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/7/01 12:24:27 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: << So I guess it's the end of the line, and I'm back to looking for a sequencer/hard disk recorder that will work with OSX. Looks like Logic 5.>> How about Digital Performer and or MOTU's "828"? <> Yea but todays "debris" is still way better than "deluxe" from 10 yrs. ago - perspective. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24688; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:59:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:59:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:53:32 -0500 Subject: Buying a Chapman stick From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112062013.PAA01294@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3090513212_474093" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3090513212_474093 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable i bought a used one many, many years ago. it was great. basically, no set u= p was required at all. and the chapmans are great people and very helpful. sh= e should give them a call because they love to know where the sticks go. i bought a new one a few years later and still play it. it=B9s a great instrument! good luck with it. klowy nyc > Hey, >=20 > One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into the = world > of the Chapman Stick. Any advise? Would there be problems with a used > instrument? Are they impossible to set up? She's also a woman, and has > smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around on a > classical guitar. Could this be an issue? She also is looking for someo= ne to > give her lessons in the SF bay area. Her email is: schenk@psy.ucsf.edu >=20 > Mark Sottilaro --B_3090513212_474093 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Buying a Chapman stick i bought a used one many, many years ago. it was great= . basically, no set up was required at all. and the chapmans are great peopl= e and very helpful. she should give them a call because they love to know wh= ere the sticks go. i bought a new one a few years later and still play it. i= t’s a great instrument!

good luck with it.

klowy
nyc

Hey,

One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into the wo= rld
of the Chapman Stick.  Any advise?  Would there be problems with = a used
instrument?  Are they impossible to set up?  She's also a woman, = and has
smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around on a classical guitar.  Could this be an issue?  She also is looking f= or someone to
give her lessons in the SF bay area.  Her email is: schenk@psy.ucsf.edu

Mark Sottilaro

--B_3090513212_474093-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:55:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27237; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:24:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:24:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C101904.9C4027E1@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:19:50 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 12/14 - Field Recordings show in San Francisco References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matt davignon wrote: > Field Effects: a night of beauty made by the world > > Friday, December 14 > > Door 8:00 pm, performance 8:30 pm sharp. > > $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. > > ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- > > The world makes music, remember to listen. The world makes movies, > remember to look. > > Field Effects offers a night of field recording based performance. > > Featuring sound artists: > > Loren Chasse (SF) > http://www.23five.org/lchasse/ > Tape Recorder (Oakland) > Matt Davignon's tape-based project, samples available at: > http://www.mp3.com/field_recordings/ > Quiet American (SF) > http://www.quietamerican.org > > And featuring projection by: > > Keith Evans (SF) of silt > Carl Diehl (SF) > Kinetic engineer travelling through time with a VCR. > Richard Holland (Madison, WI) > West coast premier of his stunning "tiny movies" > http://www.ponderance.org/holland/TinyMoviesMenu.html > > Field Effects is a showcase of Bay Area artists interested in framing the > hidden beauty of the everyday world. Beauty on the surface, awaiting our > attention. Beauty that must be delicately extracted. And beauty in > potential, awaiting juxtaposition, collage, repetition and mutilation... matt, this sounds like a great evening. wish i could be there. recording it perchance? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 21:18:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28988; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:52:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:52:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.207] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 20:44:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2001 01:44:57.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6DB3580:01C17EC0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the article at http://aes.harmony-central.com/111AES/Content/Wave_Digital/PR/Microwave.html: "Wave Digital will also offer a custom case for the MicroWave by leading case manufacturer, Calzone Case Company....At only the same size of a four-space backpack rack, the case will feature a _15-inch flat panel LCD display monitor_ mounted in the lid of the case. The MICROWAVE will be secured in the case alongside a 75-gig external Firewire hard drive with the keyboard and track..." I can't speak for Wave Digital, but it seems to me that despite their President's "looping PC for Mac owners" comment (which btw I think is misguided), they are targeting not only electronic musicians but also buyers that may want a portable PC for something else but not necessarily need the custom case, which adds more than a grand to the price. Paolo >As slashdot readers may know this is just a "branded" Cappuchino PC. It's >pretty cool, but pretty useless for live performance since it still needs a >screen, might as well get a mini-laptop. > > Kevin > >-- >Unit Circle Media >http://www.unitcircle.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 08:40:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14327; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:09:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:09:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c17f1f$cde90a00$0e2df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Rick Turner Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:05:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Add me to the list of Renassaince bass owners - fretless 5 string - completely lovely instrument. I used it in a trio with harp and sax not so long ago and it was perfect! Only problem with it is that it's so good, friends keep borrowing it, so I don't get to have it around all that often. Good thing is, it's being played all the time! I have various session player buddies who call me up when they hear a track that it 'has' to be on... ..on top of that, Rick is one of the coolest and friendliest people in the luthiery business. On my first trip to NAMM, Rick, along with Joe Zon, spent ages sorting out a trip for me (I was on a very low budget) trying to find people to give me lifts to NorCal from LA, and gave me a place to stay in Santa Cruz (my first visit to the looping capital of the world :o) - nice bloke making great guitars - sounds like a fine combination to me! (oh, and BTW, anyone interested in grass roots music education should check out the work being done by Rick's wife Jessica, who works to get guitars into schools, provide low cost tuition and generally raise the profile of music in schools where it has been sidelined - a really really worthwhile project. cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 10:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23958; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <152.54ed95e.294233a1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:00:49 EST Subject: Re: tools/toys --- breathe & learn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <0YK2IC.A.bwF.znNE8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Every tool can be a toy, if you hold it right. ergo: every toy can be a tool, if ya hold it wrong? dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 12:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03002; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:05:28 -0800 Subject: Re: tools/toys --- breathe & learn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <152.54ed95e.294233a1@aol.com> Message-Id: <9D616FE4-EB34-11D5-8100-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, the quote is a perversion of a line from an Ani DeFranko song. "Every tool is a weapon if you hold it right." I don't like the weapon thing, though. Mark On Friday, December 7, 2001, at 07:00 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > >> Every tool can be a toy, if you hold it right. > ergo: > every toy can be a tool, if ya hold it wrong? > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 12:45:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03001; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:03:57 -0800 Subject: Re: tools/toys --- breathe & learn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <152.54ed95e.294233a1@aol.com> Message-Id: <66E4A95B-EB34-11D5-8100-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Exactly. Haven't we all tried to hang a picture with a Fisher Price Schoolbus? Mark On Friday, December 7, 2001, at 07:00 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > >> Every tool can be a toy, if you hold it right. > ergo: > every toy can be a tool, if ya hold it wrong? > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 13:42:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08118; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:16:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cataldo De Palma" To: Subject: R: Looking for EDP users! Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:06:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Scott Johnson I'm actually deeply fond of this tool which I use together with my paradis guitar. I just read your email and I'm looking forward to hearing more about this project. Aldo De Palma -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Scott Johnson [mailto:sjohnson@gibson.com] Inviato: lunedė 29 ottobre 2001 16.18 A: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Oggetto: Looking for EDP users! I'm looking to talk with any loopers who are currently using the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex. If you use this tool in your productions, please contact me via email so we can talk about an upcoming project! R. Scott Johnson Product Specialist Gibson Strings & Accessories 1150 Bowes Rd. Elgin, IL 60123 USA Vox: 847.741.7315 ext. 209 Fax: 847.741.4644 Email: sjohnson@gibson.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 17:11:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23145; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:39:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:39:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #712 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:31:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2001 21:31:34.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BA4A720:01C17F66] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lance Glover said something like: >Sounds like a great event! Wish I could be there. Recording it, perchance? We'll be trying to record it. So far, my experience with trying to record live sets is that something always goes wrong. Somebody forgets, or the battery dies, or it turns out that there's no equipment/hookup to record it with. However the other musicians that are playing that night are the kind that probably don't forget to hit the "record" button that often. I just hope we can get a direct signal. From what I remember, the space is kind of boomy. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 03:27:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28222; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:56:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:56:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 02:48:54 -0500 Subject: Re: R: Looking for EDP users! From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12/7/01 1:06 PM, "Cataldo De Palma" wrote: Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com> > I'm looking to talk with any loopers who are currently using the > Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex. If you use this tool in your productions, > please contact me via email so we can talk about an upcoming project! > > R. Scott Johnson > Product Specialist > Gibson Strings & Accessories > 1150 Bowes Rd. > Elgin, IL 60123 USA > Vox: 847.741.7315 ext. 209 > Fax: 847.741.4644 > Email: sjohnson@gibson.com > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:37:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12397; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:06:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:06:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: sequencer software Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:00:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Looper People, I am doing some work with complex rhythm permutations and I'm looking for the perfect software to help me compose large numbers of MIDI files. I have been experimenting with different MIDI drum sequencers with some disappointing results. The best software I found seems to be a something called KeyKit. It is a graphical programming language that allows you to create custom consoles for unique MIDI applications. But the program seems to be a bit unstable and requires quite a bit of knowledge of its own programming language to debug. Anyway, I have found that I need certain features in a program: (1) A matrix interface to select note on/off values for rhythmic pieces. Ideally, the subdivisions are customizable to at least 64 and a time signature select function would change the column label of each step to match the beat reference. (2) I would also like to apply specific patterns to each track with a single command (every beat, every 3, every 1/2 beat, etc.) as well as the ability to cut and paste patterns to the grid. (3) The ability to customize the single command patterns that get applied to the tracks of the grid would be especially ideal. (4) Notate the final result with the option to select a separate staff for each instrument. (5) Ability to save the grid and notation as image files. (6) Save the final sequence as a MIDI file. Does anything like this exist? Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 17:26:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09488; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.90094b3.29453779@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:54:01 EST Subject: test - ignore To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 17:36:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10659; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c180fd$ca9491a0$460c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #246 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:05:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <3R63Z.A.HfC.JG-E8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #246 December 6, 2001. RECAP: ======================= ======================== ============================== On this show, I began a month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a band from near-by Quakertown. Influenced by the likes of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd, Orbital Decay makes electronic space music with the improvisational and energy of fusion styles from the 70's. As a special holiday treat, Orbital Decay will perform a live, in-studio, on-air concert during the December 27th program. The Featured CD at Midnight was the band's self released CDR "Drastic Park." The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Tim Blake. Orbital Decay http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tim Blake Last Ride of the Boogie Crystal Machine (EGG) Child VA [Dweller at the Alpha Mastered Track Across the Universe Threshold] (none) VA [Free System Pharos Beyond Me (Neu Harmony) Projekt] Robert Rich Nesting in Cliffside Bestiary (Relapse/Release) Kubusschnitt Elemental The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Cyber Zen Sound Engine Whispering Across The Intercepted Transmissions and Matt Borghi Oceans (N-Light-N) 12:00 am vidnaObmana Mind Tunnel Tremor (Relapse/Release) Orbital Decay 6 of 3 Drastic Park (none) Orbital Decay Drastic Park Drastic Park (none) Orbital Decay "Q" Live Drastic Park (none) Free System Projekt Ibis Flight * Okefenokee Dreams (Groove) and Dave Brewer 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Orbital Decay. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the band's "Re-Entry" CDR. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Don Slepian. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 17:53:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11530; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:33:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:33:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:22:41 -0800 Subject: boomerang for sale Message-ID: <20011209.142241.-176545.9.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey folks, i've got a boomerang (not the current 24bit, a/b version tho) in perfect condition. $300 including insured, ground shipping in the continental us. you can pmail me at tony-moore@juno.com. thanks! tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 18:45:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15542; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:25:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:25:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:12:48 -0800 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: sequencer software In-reply-to: To: "'Tim Goodwin'" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001201c18107$052130e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am doing some work with complex rhythm permutations and I'm looking for > the perfect software to help me compose large numbers of MIDI files. I have > been experimenting with different MIDI drum sequencers with some > disappointing results. The best software I found seems to be a something > called KeyKit. It is a graphical programming language that allows you to > create custom consoles for unique MIDI applications. But the program seems > to be a bit unstable and requires quite a bit of knowledge of its own > programming language to debug. If you're talking about the Mac version of KeyKit, I can't help much, but if you're talking about the PC (Windows) version, I can probably help solve any stability problems you're seeing. Send me email with details of the problems you're having. The Kboom tool in KeyKit is very close to what you're describing. I can help modify it for some of the things you mentioned (e.g. it has menu items for 'every other beat' and some other patterns, and I can show you how to extend it in that area). Keykit doesn't do notation, though, only piano-roll and matrix-like things. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 21:12:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24329; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:48:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c1811d$e74b7000$0fe1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Paul Pokorski" To: Subject: Electrix Repeater. First Impressions. Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:56:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C180F3.FE291CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C180F3.FE291CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yowza! This is one amazing device. I had zero problems getting levels = right (although I'm fronting it with a BlueMax compressor). Creating = multi-track loops is a snap. The Digitech FS300 footswitch is a little = cumbersome to get used to compared to te EDP foot pedal but it's usable. Copying loops to new locations whether internally or on a memory card is = also easy. I'm definitely planning on getting a MIDI pedal for = controlling the Repeater in the near future. Plus more memory cards. = It's sooooo nice to be able to save hours of hard work building up = loops. I can see why David Torn stated in (I believe) his Electronic Musician = interview that this was going to be his main looper . An excellent, excellent job, Electrix! Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C180F3.FE291CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yowza! This is one amazing device. I = had zero=20 problems getting levels right (although I'm fronting it with a = BlueMax=20 compressor). Creating multi-track loops is a snap. The Digitech FS300 = footswitch=20 is a little cumbersome to get used to compared to te EDP foot pedal but = it's=20 usable.
 
Copying loops to new locations whether = internally=20 or on a memory card is also easy. I'm definitely planning on getting a = MIDI=20 pedal for controlling the Repeater in the near future. Plus more memory = cards.=20 It's sooooo nice to be able to save hours of hard work building up=20 loops.
 
I can see why David Torn stated in (I = believe) his=20 Electronic Musician interview that this was going to be his main looper=20 .
 
An excellent, excellent job, = Electrix!
 
Regards, = Paul
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C180F3.FE291CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 00:28:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06037; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:03:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:03:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c18136$d8d5ec80$52a7e13f@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:55:09 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2001 04:54:12.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[B64EA8F0:01C18136] Resent-Message-ID: <9lMXiB.A.9HB.uBEF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How is that different from a laptop, which is essentially a non upgradable PC in a case with a monitor? Except of course that a laptop is smaller and cheaper. Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC > >From the article at > http://aes.harmony-central.com/111AES/Content/Wave_Digital/PR/Microwave.html : > > "Wave Digital will also offer a custom case for the MicroWave by leading > case manufacturer, Calzone Case Company....At only the same size of a > four-space backpack rack, the case will feature a _15-inch flat panel LCD > display monitor_ mounted in the lid of the case. The MICROWAVE will be > secured in the case alongside a 75-gig external Firewire hard drive with the > keyboard and track..." > > I can't speak for Wave Digital, but it seems to me that despite their > President's "looping PC for Mac owners" comment (which btw I think is > misguided), they are targeting not only electronic musicians but also buyers > that may want a portable PC for something else but not necessarily need the > custom case, which adds more than a grand to the price. > > Paolo > > >As slashdot readers may know this is just a "branded" Cappuchino PC. It's > >pretty cool, but pretty useless for live performance since it still needs a > >screen, might as well get a mini-laptop. > > > > Kevin > > > >-- > >Unit Circle Media > >http://www.unitcircle.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 01:08:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08094; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:43:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <172.48bc7b.29416c07@aol.com> References: <172.48bc7b.29416c07@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:17:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Yesterday's deluxe eas Re: take the red pill Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:49 PM -0500 12/6/01, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 12/7/01 12:24:27 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > ><< So I guess it's the end of the line, and I'm back to looking for a >sequencer/hard disk recorder that will work with OSX. Looks like Logic 5.>> > >How about Digital Performer and or MOTU's "828"? > ><deluxe, becomes debris.... OK, gotta go, the machine lord beckons... >> > >Yea but todays "debris" is still way better than "deluxe" from 10 yrs. ago - >perspective. Although I am listening with some pleasure to a recent recording that made heavy use of my 2 TX 7's (Vintage 1986 or so), my JamMan (quite a few years old itself),and my Atari running KCS (which I last updated in 1994). Admittedly, I haven't used the TX's much since I got a Nord Modular-:) -- "Freedom is a scary thing --- Not many people really want it" -- Laurie Anderson Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 02:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14540; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:07:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c18148$72a79be0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: Subject: dc area loopers? Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just curious. i'm in gaithersburg (MD) Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 11:02:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05865; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:38:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:38:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9D616FE4-EB34-11D5-8100-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <9D616FE4-EB34-11D5-8100-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:34:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: tools/toys --- breathe & learn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark: >Actually, the quote is a perversion of a line from an Ani DeFranko >song. "Every tool is a weapon if you hold it right." I don't like >the weapon thing, though. oh, I thought the original was: "Every tool is an (inspiring) toy if you hold it wrong (enough)." ...which would fit most to this bunch of people, no? >>sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >> >>>Every tool can be a toy, if you hold it right. >>ergo: >>every toy can be a tool, if ya hold it wrong? >>dt / splattercell -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 11:03:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05702; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:34:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Syncing EDP with another looper Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Syncing EDP with another looper
Does anyone know if there is another (small) looping device that I could sync my EDP with other than another EDP?  I just got a Headrush, (which I really like, by the way -- how simple and elegant!) , hoping that I could manually press the loop buttons and they'd keep in sync - but it ain't workin.  Thanks.

If you are smart enough to push out any signal out of your box that pulses in loop time (like the lead that feeds a LED that blinks at loop start), then you can use this to sync the EDP through the BeatSync input.
For the Vortex we have a solution.
If someone sends me a Headrush, I most probably find one, too :-)
-- 


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 13:06:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18762; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:41:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: EDP auction (no reserve) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:26:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1815C.CD2D31B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1815C.CD2D31B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Syncing EDP with another looperhttp://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1495500530 Will miss it, but have enough loopage with RPTR and DL-4. NG ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1815C.CD2D31B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Syncing EDP with another looper
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1495= 500530
 

Will miss it, but = have enough=20 loopage with RPTR and DL-4.

NG

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1815C.CD2D31B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 13:56:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23323; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:32:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: sequencer software Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:27:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001201c18107$052130e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim, I am indeed using the PC version. I will send you a more detailed description of the program quirks via personal email in the next day or so. I also definitely want to customize the Kboom tool. I am also wondering how powerful the KeyKit language is for doing calculations. Do you know if it's possible to write algorhythms/formulas that will calculate and generate numerous MIDI files automatically? Or do I have to either select a function under the track menu in Kboom or manually click each box on the grid to specify on notes and then grab the tracks with the group tool to output MIDI files? I can get into more detail if you wish, but suffice to say that I need to generate a *few thousand* rhythm loops. If KeyKit can do this with the right code that would be great. If not, I need to ask my computer whiz friend to program something in C++ to write MIDI files. What do you think? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 3:13 PM To: 'Tim Goodwin' Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sequencer software If you're talking about the Mac version of KeyKit, I can't help much, but if you're talking about the PC (Windows) version, I can probably help solve any stability problems you're seeing. Send me email with details of the problems you're having. The Kboom tool in KeyKit is very close to what you're describing. I can help modify it for some of the things you mentioned (e.g. it has menu items for 'every other beat' and some other patterns, and I can show you how to extend it in that area). Keykit doesn't do notation, though, only piano-roll and matrix-like things. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:00:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02344; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <18b.3c068a.294674bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:27:40 EST Subject: honey barbara I-10 & w. ave. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what a fantastic cd!....well written, played and produced, more loops than one could shake a stick at.....many thanks to mr. sidlo and co.....some strange stuff goin on down in san antonio, a hot-bed of loopdom.....cowboys/loops, go figure....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:00:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02543; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:35:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:35:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:29:04 EST Subject: OT gear for sale To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <97.1fb3688f.29467510@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopy-ones! I have to do some holiday belt tightening, so some really cool gear has to be passed on to one or more of you lucky folks! Check it out! MCI Guitorgan - Mid-70's - Sunburst ES-335 style -"Drawbars" on the top horn, push switches on the bottom, play guitar and organ at the same time! Frets are wired with 6 contacts each which output through wiring in the guitar to a floor module on the floor - the earliest guitar synth! Rare and super cool - sounds like a hammond or combo organ - Recently overhauled and serviced by EARS in NYC- $1000 + shipping Includes case, service specs, stereo guitar output cord, and module . . . Starfield Guitar and Bass Doubleneck - Perfect for looping!! 1977 SG knockoff, EBO style bass on top, SG style guitar on bottom, 3 way toggle for playing only bass, only guitar, or both at the same time - pics available on request - plush red velvet lined case included (These cases make AWESOME pedalboards!) $500 Morley volume pedal with built in old school MXR Distortion + and Phase 90!!!!! This was constructed by a guy in San Fran in the 70's. On either sides of the volume pedal, there is a toggle switch and knobs, one for the phaser speed on the right, and two for the distortion amount and volume on the left. Takes a male 9 volt adapter, or get tricky and wire in a battery! This is an old friend, but taking up a little too much space in my already clogged system - yours for $200 + Shipping Lot of Digitech PDS delay/looper pedals - you know them, you love them, here they are all together - one 1 second one, one 2 second one, and the guts to a presently not working 8 second echo plus (if you're a wiz, you can use its chips for the other ones and get a functioning 8 second echo + out of it all) Each pedal has one "delay-on" toggle and one "hold" toggle, which will loop whatever was previously delaying - then drop back into delay and overdub, hit hold and hear both - so easy, so sweet - get it all for $150 + shipping Alesis HR 16 Drum machine - (as heard on Ween's Pure Guava and The Pod) - sweet and simple to program, I don't have the adapter, but one can be purchased at Guitar Center (ask for the ones that work for the reissue Digitech Whammy I) - check out the review here: http://formen.ign.com/news/32290.html Yours for $100 Possibly willing to trade any or all for any or all of the following items: Roland Handsonic Technics 1200 mkII's Boss SP-202 Dr. Sample Midi Bass Pedals Roland Jupiter 8 Sherman Filterbank Electric Upright Bass Smartlite Strat A decent reverb/delay box In case you don't know, a person tried to use this list to scam us into Western Unioning cash for some dj-gear that didn't exist. I really hope this doesn't make us all wary of long time list subscribers trying to keep their tools "in the looping family". If anyone needs to verify my online buying/selling history, check the feedback forum on ebay for: a.goldsmith@opinionaccess.com This is also where you can email me with any questions about this stuff . . . I live in Astoria, Queens, NYC so if anyone wants to save shipping costs and come on by, that'd be totally cool, but hurry! I could see this stuff going quick. Happy holi days . . . aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:45:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07087; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C15347E.D92E5E85@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:17:34 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: honey barbara I-10 & w. ave. References: <18b.3c068a.294674bc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com leeme second this recommendation... i had forgotten that i registered for this CD, online many moons ago, and all the 'graphics oriented' mailings were getting scammed by my wife as soon as it hit the door, into the depths of her design studio. Last week she tells me a "font company" sent her this really great music CD... she was pretty dour when she found out that they indeed sent it to ME, and not her. but we BOTH really dig it, lotsa airplay in our household. -jas Albuquerque Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > what a fantastic cd!....well written, played and produced, more loops than > one could shake a stick at.....many thanks to mr. sidlo and co.....some > strange stuff goin on down in san antonio, a hot-bed of > loopdom.....cowboys/loops, go figure....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 17:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10321; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 10 Dec 2001 21:47:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18b.3c068a.294674bc@aol.com> References: <18b.3c068a.294674bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:47:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff Subject: Re: honey barbara I-10 & w. ave. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interview and info on (i think) their first album at: http://www.emigre.com/CMHB.html if anyone has a review on this one i would be interested to hear it... -j -- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net ----- "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." - Laurie Anderson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 19:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20533; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C154977.8F0817A7@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:47:04 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cycloops in auction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gjgwD.A.D1E.ZmUF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those interested in a second hand Cycloops unit, You can just make a bid at Ebay : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1493657602 The first price is only fixed at Ģ90, and nobody has bid yet ! Hurry up ! The auction will be closed on 12-Dec-01 13:59:23 GMT Good luck, Emmanuel Me ? No need, I already got some units lent for free at home ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 19:35:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22565; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.61] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:01:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 00:01:57.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D0333F0:01C181D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.nemesysmusic.com/support/faq.html#q10 BTW, I don't own Gigasampler... Paolo >How is that different from a laptop, which is essentially a non upgradable >PC in a case with a monitor? Except of course that a laptop is smaller and >cheaper. > > Kevin > >Unit Circle Media >http://www.unitcircle.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paolo Valladolid" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:44 PM >Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC > > > > >From the article at > > >http://aes.harmony-central.com/111AES/Content/Wave_Digital/PR/Microwave.html >: > > > > "Wave Digital will also offer a custom case for the MicroWave by leading > > case manufacturer, Calzone Case Company....At only the same size of a > > four-space backpack rack, the case will feature a _15-inch flat panel >LCD > > display monitor_ mounted in the lid of the case. The MICROWAVE will be > > secured in the case alongside a 75-gig external Firewire hard drive with >the > > keyboard and track..." > > > > I can't speak for Wave Digital, but it seems to me that despite their > > President's "looping PC for Mac owners" comment (which btw I think is > > misguided), they are targeting not only electronic musicians but also >buyers > > that may want a portable PC for something else but not necessarily need >the > > custom case, which adds more than a grand to the price. > > > > Paolo > > > > >As slashdot readers may know this is just a "branded" Cappuchino PC. >It's > > >pretty cool, but pretty useless for live performance since it still >needs >a > > >screen, might as well get a mini-laptop. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > >-- > > >Unit Circle Media > > >http://www.unitcircle.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 19:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22836; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:11:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:11:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C154DA0.DC391248@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:04:51 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: honey barbara I-10 & w. ave. References: <18b.3c068a.294674bc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com they do really nice fonts as well. Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > what a fantastic cd!....well written, played and produced, more loops than > one could shake a stick at.....many thanks to mr. sidlo and co.....some > strange stuff goin on down in san antonio, a hot-bed of > loopdom.....cowboys/loops, go figure....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 20:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26800; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:57:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA26037 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good point, but in answer to that question in the FAQ: Notebook\laptop computers are generally not recommended for running the GigaSampler. THEY TEND TO PERFORM SLOWER THAN THEIR DESKTOP COUNTERPARTS OF THE SAME ADVERTISED SPEED. THE MINIATURIZATION PLAYS A PART IN SLOWING THINGS DOWN. Due to lack of readily available PCMCIA soundcards, the audio output on laptop computers doesnđt compare either. The power management will also cause major problems. I added the caps for emphasis... The PCMCIA argument is neither here nor there due to the RMS and MOTU interfaces (and soon Firewire Dig001). I checked the WaveDigital website for info on their processor, it lists "Intel Pentium III Processor in FCPGA package." I don't know if that is one of the low power processors or not, which could definitely make a difference... BTW, I'm not arguing just for the sake of arguing, this is also an internal debate with my inner geek who keeps repeating the mantra "but it's SOOO COOOL!" Kevin On 12/10/01 4:01 PM, "Paolo Valladolid" wrote: > http://www.nemesysmusic.com/support/faq.html#q10 > > BTW, I don't own Gigasampler... > > Paolo > >> How is that different from a laptop, which is essentially a non upgradable >> PC in a case with a monitor? Except of course that a laptop is smaller and >> cheaper. >> >> Kevin >> >> Unit Circle Media >> http://www.unitcircle.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paolo Valladolid" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:44 PM >> Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC >> >> >>>> From the article at >>> >> http://aes.harmony-central.com/111AES/Content/Wave_Digital/PR/Microwave.html >> : >>> >>> "Wave Digital will also offer a custom case for the MicroWave by leading >>> case manufacturer, Calzone Case Company....At only the same size of a >>> four-space backpack rack, the case will feature a _15-inch flat panel >> LCD >>> display monitor_ mounted in the lid of the case. The MICROWAVE will be >>> secured in the case alongside a 75-gig external Firewire hard drive with >> the >>> keyboard and track..." >>> >>> I can't speak for Wave Digital, but it seems to me that despite their >>> President's "looping PC for Mac owners" comment (which btw I think is >>> misguided), they are targeting not only electronic musicians but also >> buyers >>> that may want a portable PC for something else but not necessarily need >> the >>> custom case, which adds more than a grand to the price. >>> >>> Paolo >>> >>>> As slashdot readers may know this is just a "branded" Cappuchino PC. >> It's >>>> pretty cool, but pretty useless for live performance since it still >> needs >> a >>>> screen, might as well get a mini-laptop. >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unit Circle Media >>>> http://www.unitcircle.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >>> >>> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 20:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29407; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:16:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:16:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.61] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:08:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 01:08:32.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[59F79620:01C181E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like a familiar argument. I have lost it myself a few times (like when I bought a Handsonic on impulse). :) I still use my lowly DL4 for looping right now. I think for me the hardware looper plus a phrase sampler would be a more reliable solution as an upgrade over the DL4. I know Wave Digital is trying to sell their little GameCube-like box to Mac users as a looping box, but Mac users can get both an EDP and a Repeater for that price. :) I use a similar reasoning on my internal debate over a Mac laptop+Max/MSP vs. Korg KARMA. Paolo >BTW, I'm not arguing just for the sake of arguing, this is also an internal >debate with my inner geek who keeps repeating the mantra "but it's SOOO >COOOL!" > > Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 21:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32027; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:50:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:44:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to be so Off Topic, but now I've seen evidence that at least three other of you have Roland Handsonics, and I was wondering if you've done any exploring of the odder possibilities of the beast. F'rinstance: I imagine for loopers, there'd be a big temptation to fiddle with the option that allows pads to be programmed as sequence triggers. Has anybody tried that? Variations would include the "start sequence" setting and the "play next sequence event" setting (I forget what Roland calls that officially.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 10:40:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29752; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:01:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:01:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.1f9df4ac.294777bd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:52:45 EST Subject: ot but pretty cool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8e.1f9df4ac.294777bd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8e.1f9df4ac.294777bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thought some of us might be interested.....:)m Click here: Gadget Universe --part1_8e.1f9df4ac.294777bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thought some of us might be interested.....:)m

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--part1_8e.1f9df4ac.294777bd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 11:23:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01464; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: ot but pretty cool Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:00:00 -0600 Message-ID: <01c18265$4585f800$ef78580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips ~ -----Original Message----- Subject: ot but pretty cool > thought some of us might be interested.....:)m >Click here: Gadget Universe actually it is on topic, IMO. looping nature from a window. very cool. Pedro Felix ------------------ Not only can you hear from afar but you can also record up to 12 seconds on the digital chip for playback. ----------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 12:41:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07016; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.74.66] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:09:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 17:09:33.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AB2F8E0:01C18266] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, As a guitarist looking to get into looping in a live situation, which unit, the EDP or the Repeater would be a better unit? I realize that this is going to be somewhat subjective, but that's ok as long as I get some feedback. Especially interested in what you all think in regards to performance vs cost of each unit. Thanks very much for your time! Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 13:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09321; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:56:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:56:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:40:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7ELvpC.A.SIC.EckF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or... chicken or the egg? particle or wave? red pill or blue pill? george bush... animatron or retard? mac or pc? brian jones or ron wood? pre-CBS or post? butter side up, or butter side down? sarcasm apologies in advance...knee deep in a assembling a 52 page catalog that's over deadline. chris, check out the archives, there's a ton of subjective and objective info on these two infamous beasts! there's distinctive flavor to each, but they supposedly combine quite tastily... best, rich > Hello, > As a guitarist looking to get into looping in a live > situation, which unit, the EDP or the Repeater would > be a better unit? I realize that this is going to be > somewhat subjective, but that's ok as long as I get > some feedback. Especially interested in what you all > think in regards to performance vs cost of each unit. > Thanks very much for your time! > Sincerely, > Chris Olden > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 14:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17200; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:28:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:28:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.196.149] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Newbie question; Amp Simulators Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:21:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 19:21:38.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E05F650:01C18279] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Another newbie question; is there an amp simulator out there that is head and shoulders above the rest; or are they all pretty much in the same league? I'd be using it a live looping situation as my primary guitar noise generator. I'm looking at the Pod(or Pod Pro haven't decided), the Johnson J-Station, and doesn't Behringer make one now? Thanks again. Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 15:28:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18670; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:51:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:51:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c1827c$74ded240$0f934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:45:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich wrote: >chicken or the egg? snip >brian jones or ron wood? Hey, don't forget Mick Taylor ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 15:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20427; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:01:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:01:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Newbie question; Amp Simulators Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:54:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1827d$aeaed1e0$332f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you already have an effects device, check out the Sansamp PSA-1. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Hello, > Another newbie question; is there an amp simulator out > there that is head and shoulders above the rest; or are > they all pretty much in the same league? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 15:51:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22522; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:27:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:27:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 11 Dec 2001 20:20:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003001c1827c$74ded240$0f934e0c@u73x0> References: <003001c1827c$74ded240$0f934e0c@u73x0> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:20:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff Subject: Tape Op Conference this summer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0DxWnD.A.HUF.irmF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tapeop.com/conference/index.html this looks like an excellent conference for all the home recordists on the list, and in the Bay Area this summer... -jb -- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net ----- "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." - Laurie Anderson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 16:09:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24228; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:44:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:44:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c18283$709abbc0$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; Amp Simulators Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:35:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Chris. Personally I use both the Pod2 and the amp simulations in the Boss VF1. I've tried various amp simulators in the last two years, and the one I like the most is the Pod, I think it is the more dinamic I've tried, and the sounds are close look-a-likes of the originals. I think that the Johnson has a really 'digital' sound, and is really good for ultra-clean and (mostly) ultra distorted sounds, but I really don't like its Crunch sounds. The Boss is also really 'digital', but has really many ways to modify the sounds (I use it mainly as a parallel fx unit).The behringer is a nice cheap unit, It resembles the Pod in many ways, and isn't bad at all for what concerns the sounds. If you can, try to A/B the units, and take the one that suits you the best. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Olden" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: Re:Newbie question; Amp Simulators > > > Hello, > Another newbie question; is there an amp simulator out > there that is head and shoulders above the rest; or are > they all pretty much in the same league? I'd be using > it a live looping situation as my primary guitar noise > generator. I'm looking at the Pod(or Pod Pro haven't > decided), the Johnson J-Station, and doesn't Behringer > make one now? > Thanks again. > Chris Olden > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 16:09:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24103; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:44:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:44:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6.20ab0dcf.2947c880@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:37:20 EST Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_xrHC.A.dvF.v6mF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com chrisolden@hotmail.com writes: >As a guitarist looking to get into looping in a live > situation, which unit, the EDP or the Repeater would > be a better unit? for me, neither is better; they're very different. you should try them both, and maybe a boomerang, as well --- after researching their feature-sets, and trying to discern what you think you might wanna do w/a looping instrument. ya know, like: a les paul is not a strat is not a tele is not a supro is not a klein is not a teuffel. >I realize that this is going to be > somewhat subjective, but that's ok as long as I get > some feedback. >Especially interested in what you all > think in regards to performance vs cost of each unit. they all seem fairly priced, to me, as they all offer different features & user interfaces. EDP & boomerang are *very* foot-friendly, repeater is, also, *if* ya add some foot/hand-ctrls. the pcm42, however, is way-too-expensive to replace! *-) personally, i won't sell my repeater, my EDP, nor my pcm42 --- at the moment (a pretty *long* moment, for me), they're all irreplaceable. sorry if my response doesn't help too much! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 16:52:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28525; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201c18289$cd06f440$7d095cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:20:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <5yTrGC.A.p2G.QjnF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Olden > As a guitarist looking to get into looping in a live > situation, which unit, the EDP or the Repeater would > be a better unit? Hi Chris, As someone already answered, the archives contain plenty of discussion on this topic. I would like to point out that you might want to keep something in mind while reading old posts: EDP and Repeater are really different beasties and you need to know in advance what you want to do and what your present operating techniques are. Then get whichever device fits you the best. If, like me, you're still at the "I want to be able to loop on stage" stage, then you'll need to do a lot of soul searching and archives reading. Getting your hands on both wouldn't hurt, either. Try before you buy! So far, my Akai Headrush is keeping me from rushing out and buying an EDP or Repeater today. But it'll happen, eventually. My goals (so far) are to play a guitar loop for use in Berlin School music and to create ambient soundscapes. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 18:04:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01540; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:40:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Dylan B DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:32:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <00d201c18289$cd06f440$7d095cd1@-> Resent-Message-ID: <63bLJD.A.ER.3moF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is just my neophyte opinion. I am an EDP user, for the last year. I use it live, with my mixer/turntables, as a way to dynamically loop/create a beat, then to add a little overdub-frosting on it, and do scratch compositions, move onto the next loop and so on....It's a great way to milk the best part of a song for a few extra bars, or completely change the face of the beat. I also use it for a limited amount of effects, such as delay or stutter while playing. I got the edp because I was using a KORG KAOSS pad and it didn't have enough memory for sufficient looping/sampling. The edp had a healthy amount of memory, and a foot pedal. I am not too hip on my edp as an effects unit, or maybe I just haven't figured out all of the infinite combos to make those effects possible. The pro's, for what I use it for: Foot Pedal is great, since I am using both hands on the turntables and mixer. Memory is plenty. Virtual memory is great too (partitioning up your samples). Interface is fast and easy to use, to get you basic looping. It's designed as a sampler, and that's what it does. Very well. Cons: The design of the edp (it would seem to me) is such that it's more designed as a programming language (or the button sequences can be preprogrammed as a meta language, sort of like scripting your commands) allowing more freedom of what you can do with it, as long as you know the commands and sequences. In order to squeeze all the creative juice out of the edp, and take advantage of it's features, you really have to know it deeply. Whereas in the repeater, it's not as open to such creativity, but it would seem that it's features are much easier to take advantage of and explore. With the repeater, the roadmap, of what you can do, is clearly laid out before you, but with the edp, it's more like an exploration of failures and discoveries....if you have the time and inclination. EDP's Memory is not expandable past 16MB, nor can you use any removable media, such as flash memory or smart media. Repeater can use removable media, which allows you to take your samples with you. D -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billfox@fast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater -----Original Message----- From: Chris Olden > As a guitarist looking to get into looping in a live > situation, which unit, the EDP or the Repeater would > be a better unit? Hi Chris, As someone already answered, the archives contain plenty of discussion on this topic. I would like to point out that you might want to keep something in mind while reading old posts: EDP and Repeater are really different beasties and you need to know in advance what you want to do and what your present operating techniques are. Then get whichever device fits you the best. If, like me, you're still at the "I want to be able to loop on stage" stage, then you'll need to do a lot of soul searching and archives reading. Getting your hands on both wouldn't hurt, either. Try before you buy! So far, my Akai Headrush is keeping me from rushing out and buying an EDP or Repeater today. But it'll happen, eventually. My goals (so far) are to play a guitar loop for use in Berlin School music and to create ambient soundscapes. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ============================================================================ === Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 18:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05395; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:20:23 EST Subject: Re: Newbie question; Amp Simulators To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a6.1e44bb42.2947eeb7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a6.1e44bb42.2947eeb7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/01 2:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, chrisolden@hotmail.com writes: > is there an amp simulator out > there that is head and shoulders above the rest; why simulate when you can create?.....:)m --part1_a6.1e44bb42.2947eeb7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/01 2:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, chrisolden@hotmail.com writes:


is there an amp simulator out
   there that is head and shoulders above the rest;


why simulate when you can create?.....:)m
--part1_a6.1e44bb42.2947eeb7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 19:03:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06125; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:39:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:39:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.6087876.2947f168@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:31:52 EST Subject: Re: Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.6087876.2947f168_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13d.6087876.2947f168_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/01 5:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, dylan@loudcloud.com writes: > In order to squeeze all the creative juice out of the edp, and take > advantage of it's features, you really have to know it deeply. wow.....get the edp video tape and it will show you a ton-o-stuff.....oh gee's, i'm sorry, that happened in a dream i had.....make sure you try out the boomerang, in fact get as many loopers as you can, one is not enuf.....:)m --part1_13d.6087876.2947f168_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/11/01 5:35:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, dylan@loudcloud.com writes:


In order to squeeze all the creative juice out of the edp, and take
advantage of it's features,  you really have to know it deeply.


wow.....get the edp video tape and it will show you a ton-o-stuff.....oh gee's, i'm sorry, that happened in a dream i had.....make sure you try out the boomerang, in fact get as many loopers as you can, one is not enuf.....:)m
--part1_13d.6087876.2947f168_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 19:39:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09613; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:15:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.197.89] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:07:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2001 00:07:17.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5CAC750:01C182A0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions. I guess I have some homework/shopping to do! A couple more questions; The EDP when fully loaded with RAM can hold how many minutes(of non-savable)loops? It is a mono unit, correct? The Repeater has 4 loops? Is that two sets of stereo loops, or 4 individual loops assignable as mono or as loop pairs? Is there a unit below Eventide price that does intelligent pitch shifting, that's still in production? Thankyou all again! Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 20:52:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14504; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:28:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:28:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:21:39 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ef01c182ab$59502e50$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there a unit below Eventide price that does intelligent > pitch shifting, that's still in production? With any great quality ... unfortunately no! I did check out the pitch shifting in the Digitech 2120 guitar preamp/processor and thought it was OK. (although I am a bass player) This is one of the reasons I was checking out the Oberheim OM-1000, I thought it may have good pitch shifting ... at $375 from musicyo.com, that's a great price. Right now, I'll have to be content with my Pearl Octaver (1 up - 2 down) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 21:38:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19013; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:14:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c182b0$ef1a0780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <00ef01c182ab$59502e50$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:01:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey -I am almost positive David Torn has the Oberheim effect box you mentioned- saw it in his rig in an issue of EQ I think- any opinions David? I would actually be interested in an overall opinion myself- was interested in it with the low price it is at- not to mention the pitch shifting on my TC M-One is awful. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting > > Is there a unit below Eventide price that does intelligent > > pitch shifting, that's still in production? > > With any great quality ... unfortunately no! > > I did check out the pitch shifting in the Digitech 2120 guitar > preamp/processor and thought it was OK. (although I am a bass player) > > This is one of the reasons I was checking out the Oberheim OM-1000, I > thought it may have good pitch shifting ... at $375 from musicyo.com, that's > a great price. > > Right now, I'll have to be content with my Pearl Octaver (1 up - 2 down) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 21:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19929; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:27:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:27:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Tape Op Conference this summer Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:29:05 -0600 Message-ID: <01c182bd$269df340$1a68580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - recorded -----Original Message----- >http://www.tapeop.com/conference/index.html >this looks like an excellent conference for all the home recordists >on the list, and in the Bay Area this summer... >-jb > sure does, and for anyone who doesn't get this fine periodical It is available snail mail for free and is chock full of information for the recording type of musician. This month there is a great article on Rupert Neve and the ongoing journal type articles of Phil Brown who has worked with just about everyone. Highly suggested reading and it's free. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:09:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25657; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:44:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C16DE2F.BDE3FEC7@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:33:51 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > The Repeater has 4 loops? Is that two sets of stereo loops, > or 4 individual loops assignable as mono or as loop pairs? The Repeater has 4 tracks per loop... up to 99 loops memory permitting (i think). The tracks can be individual or 2 stereo pairs. Lotsa possibilities! -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27982; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:03:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Thread-Index: AcGCwQ4r+tzyCYbWSiSXlXTPRHwM1A== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA26254 Resent-Message-ID: <7IFKzB.A.haG.4VtF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would not blow a grand on a handsonic and then take it apart! It feels very toy like to me. Not worth the money at all IMO. If it was under $400 then maybe. Better to take apart one of those cheap Yamaha all in one drum controllers if you want to hack. However you might want to look into a Drumkat midi controller. Much more programmable midi wise. Check out http://www.alternatemode.com. First it's a good quality midi percussion controller with 10 pads that support an after touch of sorts plus 9 trigger inputs. It has extensive midi control and routing functions, can accept breath controller and continuous controller info, etc... It does sort of have a midi based looping feature where you hit a pad and go into record mode. Hit that pad again and it starts playing what you played. You can also add to the pattern. An electronic drum module like the Roland Td7 also does this. Someone from Starrlabs is part of this group - I've been drooling over the drumbar: http://www.starrlabs.com/percussion.html -----Original Message----- From: just john [mailto:just-john@just-john.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Sorry to be so Off Topic, but now I've seen evidence that at least three other of you have Roland Handsonics, and I was wondering if you've done any exploring of the odder possibilities of the beast. F'rinstance: I imagine for loopers, there'd be a big temptation to fiddle with the option that allows pads to be programmed as sequence triggers. Has anybody tried that? Variations would include the "start sequence" setting and the "play next sequence event" setting (I forget what Roland calls that officially.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29078; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:15:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:09:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: RE: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Resent-Message-ID: <9xkgG.A.9-G.yhtF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would not blow a grand on a handsonic and then take it apart! Software -- You've heard of it? I'm talking patch programming. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 00:25:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32538; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:01:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:55:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Wolf wrote on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:56 PM >I would not blow a grand on a handsonic and then take it apart! It >feels very toy like to me. Not worth the money at all IMO. If it was >under $400 then maybe. Better to take apart one of those cheap Yamaha >all in one drum controllers if you want to hack. >Someone from Starrlabs is part of this group - I've been drooling over >the drumbar: http://www.starrlabs.com/percussion.html Harvey's software upgrade for the Ztar includes a MIDI looper that allegedly sends clock and is assignable to the drum pads (those trigger thingies). He's got my doubleneck and is replacing the board so I can get the upgrade (mine was too old--he says it's tough to rewrite code for old microprocessors), and I hope to have the unit by the end of the week. I've been using it to control the Echoplex already, and if all goes well with this upgrade and the EDP upgrade (coming soon?), I should be able to clock the looper to the MIDI looper. OK!!!! BTW, he's got a demo Z6 !!in stock!! under specials--for those of you looking for a quick fix, this is the time--usually ya gotta wait for the dang things--we need to clone Mr. Starr . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: just john [mailto:just-john@just-john.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Sorry to be so Off Topic, but now I've seen evidence that at least three other of you have Roland Handsonics, and I was wondering if you've done any exploring of the odder possibilities of the beast. F'rinstance: I imagine for loopers, there'd be a big temptation to fiddle with the option that allows pads to be programmed as sequence triggers. Has anybody tried that? Variations would include the "start sequence" setting and the "play next sequence event" setting (I forget what Roland calls that officially.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 00:30:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00508; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:06:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:06:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c182c9$a51775a0$740f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:58:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com >for me, neither is better; they're very different. >you should try them both, and maybe a boomerang, as well --- after >researching their feature-sets, and trying to discern what you think you >might wanna do w/a looping instrument. Hi dt, Since EDP, Repeater, and Boomerang are all different and you seem to have/use all three, can you explain how you use each one? What applications do you associate with each device? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 00:36:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00957; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:12:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:12:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:08:41 -0600 Subject: Handsonic From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3090956921_26529990_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <0scUcC.A.NH.IXuF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3090956921_26529990_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Paolo....a question please....What don't you like about the Handsonic? and a comment....The Karma is "ridiculous". I just got one and absolutely love it. but I'm still saving up for a G4 Titanium Powerbook tr From: "Paolo Valladolid" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:08:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC Sounds like a familiar argument. I have lost it myself a few times (like when I bought a Handsonic on impulse). :) I still use my lowly DL4 for looping right now. I think for me the hardware looper plus a phrase sampler would be a more reliable solution as an upgrade over the DL4. I know Wave Digital is trying to sell their little GameCube-like box to Mac users as a looping box, but Mac users can get both an EDP and a Repeater for that price. :) I use a similar reasoning on my internal debate over a Mac laptop+Max/MSP vs. Korg KARMA. Paolo >BTW, I'm not arguing just for the sake of arguing, this is also an internal >debate with my inner geek who keeps repeating the mantra "but it's SOOO >COOOL!" > > Kevin --MS_Mac_OE_3090956921_26529990_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Handsonic Paolo....a question please....What don't you like about the Handsonic?<= BR>
and a comment....The Karma is "ridiculous". I just got one and ab= solutely love it.  but I'm still saving up for a G4 Titanium Powerbook =             &nbs= p;    tr

From: "Paolo Valladolid" <phv40@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:08:32 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC

Sounds like a familiar argument. I have lost it myself a few times (lik= e
when I bought a Handsonic on impulse). :)

I still use my lowly DL4 for looping right now.  I think for me the ha= rdware
looper plus a phrase sampler would be a more reliable solution as an upgrad= e
over the DL4.  I know Wave Digital is trying to sell their little
GameCube-like box to Mac users as a looping box, but Mac users can get both=
an EDP and a Repeater for that price.  :)

I use a similar reasoning on my internal debate over a Mac laptop+Max/MSP <= BR> vs. Korg KARMA.

Paolo

>BTW, I'm not arguing just for the sake of arguing, this is also an inte= rnal
>debate with my inner geek who keeps repeating the mantra "but it's= SOOO
>COOOL!"
>
>     Kevin

--MS_Mac_OE_3090956921_26529990_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 00:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01169; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:17:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011212021714.47327.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:17:14 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Repeater multiply function To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, Is there a way to record a short percussive loop on the REPEATER & go into a multiply mode where I can record a rhythm over the drum loop & turn it off when I decide to end the rhythm? I know there is a "Multiply" function where I can multiply it out in multiples of 2 times, but I would much rather do it on the fly because sometimes I do not know how long my rhythm section will be. I want it to do a loop multiply quantize similar to the EDP. Thanks, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 00:42:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01184; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:14:03 -0600 Subject: re:[OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3090957244_26549367_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3090957244_26549367_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Do you mean internal sequences or external? I use mine to sync midi clock to my edp as well as my partner's edp...The only thing I REALLY wish it had was another pair of stereo outs. tr From: just john Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:44:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Sorry to be so Off Topic, but now I've seen evidence that at least three other of you have Roland Handsonics, and I was wondering if you've done any exploring of the odder possibilities of the beast. F'rinstance: I imagine for loopers, there'd be a big temptation to fiddle with the option that allows pads to be programmed as sequence triggers. Has anybody tried that? Variations would include the "start sequence" setting and the "play next sequence event" setting (I forget what Roland calls that officially.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * --MS_Mac_OE_3090957244_26549367_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable re:[OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness Do you mean internal sequences or external? I use mine to sync midi cloc= k to my edp as well as my partner's edp...The only thing I REALLY wish it ha= d was another pair of stereo outs.   tr

From:
just john <just-john@just-john.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:44:20 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ...

Sorry to be so Off Topic, but now I've seen evidence that at least thre= e
other of you have Roland Handsonics, and I was wondering if you've done any=
exploring of the odder possibilities of the beast.

F'rinstance:  I imagine for loopers, there'd be a big temptation to fi= ddle
with the option that allows pads to be programmed as sequence triggers.
Has anybody tried that?  Variations would include the "start sequ= ence"
setting and the "play next sequence event" setting (I forget what= Roland
calls that officially.)
---
* just-john@just-john.com  http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml *
--MS_Mac_OE_3090957244_26549367_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 01:14:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03145; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:50:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:50:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:45:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: re:[OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness Resent-Message-ID: <9uXrrC.A.Bs.P7uF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Do you mean internal sequences or external? I use mine to sync midi clock >to my edp as well as my partner's edp...The only thing I REALLY wish it >had was another pair of stereo outs. tr > I was thinking internal sequences, generally to the on-board sounds. For the "play sequence" setting* , I could imagine setting up sequences for each chord in a tune as being the most basic way to go about it. You reserve the inner pads for percussion sounds and use, say, some spacey, droney sounds within the sequences. It weirded me out when I got the thing, that this "electronic bongo" has better piano sounds than my old Proteus. I find myself wishing it had good fiddle patches, so I could set it up as a cross between Jon Hassel's "Fourth World" sounds and bluegrass. So as you may have guessed, I've been too busy gawking at the possibilities for programming tweaks to its internal sounds, and I haven't done much contemplation of using it to control other stuff. * (as opposed to the "play next note event in the sequence" -- not that that's what it's officially called) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 02:37:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09324; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C170226.4F4E92BB@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:07:44 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape Op Conference this summer References: <01c182bd$269df340$1a68580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro Felix wrote: > snips - > > recorded -----Original Message----- > >http://www.tapeop.com/conference/index.html > > >this looks like an excellent conference for all the home recordists > >on the list, and in the Bay Area this summer... > >-jb > > > sure does, and for anyone who doesn't get this fine periodical It is > available snail mail for free and is chock full of information for the > recording type of musician. This month there is a great article on Rupert > Neve and the ongoing journal type articles of Phil Brown who has worked with > just about everyone. Highly suggested reading and it's free. > > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2001 not to mention the absolutely groovy interview with kevin shields ('my bloody valentine') and behind the scenes on rolling stones/muscle shoals sessions...what an awesome issue! i hope to be travelling north in time for this conference...it sounds like a great way to spend a few days... lance g. ps tape op's free if you subscribe online. otherwise i think it costs a little bit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 02:43:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09648; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:20:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1703EC.26876F1C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:15:19 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Olden wrote: > (snip) > The EDP when fully loaded with RAM can hold how many > minutes(of non-savable)loops? 196 seconds (or 3.26 minutes...) > It is a mono unit, correct? si. check out the faq page on looper's delight for more info, if yer interested :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 03:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12713; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:10:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:10:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:03:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: <0EDPnC.A.eDD.Q-wF8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 04:07 PM, Chris Olden wrote: > > The Repeater has 4 loops? Is that two sets of stereo loops, > or 4 individual loops assignable as mono or as loop pairs? No, the Repeater can do up to 999 loops in it's memory. (!) Each can consist of either 4 mono loops, or two stereo loops. Faders can control their relative volumes. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 05:52:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21022; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:28:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:28:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: EDP question Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:23:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C170226.4F4E92BB@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello- My EDP is acting strange tonight and I am wondering if any of you have experienced similar behavior and can offer any suggestions. It currently resides in a 3sp rack with a TC M-One below and a JamMan above- after being on for a few hours and not being used at all I looked and it was repeating the start display sequence over and over- (it was obviously just trying to bring attention to my overt neglect) - after powering it down numerous times it would stop responding with 5.0 in the display- it is luke warm to the touch and has seen hotter conditions so I'm doubtful heat is the culprit- maybe I should remove the RAM and clean it? Thanks in advance- Cliff PS- I just turned around and saw it scrolling the Loop 3.0 again then stopped on 5.0- is this the EDP's way of sticking it's tounge at me behind my back? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 06:39:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24220; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:06:56 +0000 Subject: New loop-heavy Real Audio from forthcoming album From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greeting Loopsters! Just a quick note to say that I've added a couple of (rather long) tracks to my website for a forthcoming duo CD that I've just finished recording with pianist Jez Carr - all the music is freely improvised, or perhaps more accurately, unplanned and spontaneously composed. The only effect I'm using is a DL4 (and I think I've managed to squeeze some pretty varied sounds from one box!) and there's no post-processing going on, save the addition of a little reverb in pro-tools, and no editing. Hope you enjoy them - the CD (with another 5 tracks) should be out Feb/March next year... head for the MP3/Real Audio page on my website... do let me know what you think... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:21:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02189; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:57:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <157.59c9bbc.2948baa6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:50:30 EST Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/12/2001 3:06:07 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Chris Olden wrote: >> >> The Repeater has 4 loops? Is that two sets of stereo loops, >> or 4 individual loops assignable as mono or as loop pairs? mark sottilaro replied: >No, the Repeater can do up to 999 loops in it's memory. (!) Each can >consist of either 4 mono loops, or two stereo loops. Faders can control >their relative volumes. right, but to clarify: each repeater *loop* can consist of up to 4 *tracks*; these can be used as 4 mono-tracks, 2 stereo-tracks, or 2 mono- & 1 stereo-track..... user's choice. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04168; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:06:21 -0500 Subject: Re:EDP Undo Question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112120251.VAA21695@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3090992781_55992_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3090992781_55992_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm a little confused by the undo operation on the EDP, and was wondering if anyone could clear it up for me (like through one of your wonderful little essays, Kim?). I've read the manual, and understand that a long press is supposed to undo the entire previous layer (given memory limitations), and a short press is supposed to undo the tail end starting from where you press "undo". But my EDP seems erratic in this function -- often I have to press undo twice or more to undo the previous layer, and often it doesn't allow a long press -- the little undo light blinks on and off really quickly. Also, it seems to me that sometimes I have to press undo while the previously recorded material I want to undo is actually playing. If I press it elsewhere in the loop, nothing happens. Comments, anyone? thanks in advance. --MS_Mac_OE_3090992781_55992_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:EDP Undo Question I'm a little confused by the undo operation on the EDP, and = was wondering if anyone could clear it up for me (like through one of your w= onderful little essays, Kim?).
I've read the manual, and understand that a long press is supposed to undo = the entire previous layer (given memory limitations), and a short press is s= upposed to undo the tail end starting from where you press "undo".=  But my EDP seems erratic in this function -- often I have to press un= do twice or more to undo the previous layer, and often it doesn't allow a lo= ng press -- the little undo light blinks on and off really quickly.  Al= so, it seems to me that sometimes I have to press undo while the previously = recorded material I want to undo is actually playing.  If I press it el= sewhere in the loop, nothing happens.
Comments, anyone?  thanks in advance.
--MS_Mac_OE_3090992781_55992_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:40:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04154; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:15:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:15:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <154.5a213c3.2948bee4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:08:36 EST Subject: Re: Repeater multiply function To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <0ogAiC.A.87.LU2F8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rd, >Is there a way to record a short percussive loop >on the REPEATER & go into a multiply mode where I >can record a rhythm over the drum loop & turn it >off when I decide to end the rhythm? no, i don't think so. possible workarounds might include 'fractional multiply' *after* multiply, and/or 'trimming' to taste after 'multiply'..... but, neither method sounds as if it'll suit your improvisatory needs..... >I know there is a "Multiply" function where I can >multiply it out in multiples of 2 times, but I >would much rather do it on the fly because >sometimes I do not know how long my rhythm >section will be. better than me, though: i *never* know how long your rhythm section's gonna be. *-) >I want it to do a loop multiply quantize similar >to the EDP. me, too. so, i still use an EDP in addition to repeater. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04526; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:21:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11d.8d5ebdc.2948bfc6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:12:22 EST Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; EDP vs Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com billfox, >Since EDP, Repeater, and Boomerang are all different and you seem to have/use >all three, can you explain how you use each one? no, i don't have a boomerang --- my three loopers are repeater, edp & lexicon pcm42. >What applications do >you associate with each device? that's gonna require a longer answer than i have time for, right now..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:46:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04561; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:22:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:22:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <67.1e6efec5.2948c084@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:15:32 EST Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com res0koq3@verizon.net writes: >Hey -I am almost positive David Torn has the Oberheim effect box you >mentioned- saw it in his rig in an issue of EQ I think- any opinions David? yeah; while i do have that obie-box, i still use a lexicon pcm80 for 'hardware' pitch-shifting etc. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:48:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04755; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:24:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:24:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <178.a112d4.2948c0f0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:17:20 EST Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting, again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cliff, .....sorry, i missed the beginning of the thread: i don't really use 'intelligent' pitch-shifting. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 10:07:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06318; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:43:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:43:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C176C2C.1FA3D92B@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:39:40 -0500 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! References: <157.59c9bbc.2948baa6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just one question .... How long can a single loop employing all Repeater TRK's last in duration using a 128 FlashCard. That is, one loop engaging as much information as possible by the unit working at all possible maximums. Thank you in advance for an answer to this question. Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/12/2001 3:06:07 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > > >Chris Olden wrote: > >> > >> The Repeater has 4 loops? Is that two sets of stereo loops, > >> or 4 individual loops assignable as mono or as loop pairs? > > mark sottilaro replied: > >No, the Repeater can do up to 999 loops in it's memory. (!) Each can > >consist of either 4 mono loops, or two stereo loops. Faders can control > >their relative volumes. > > right, but to clarify: > each repeater *loop* can consist of up to 4 *tracks*; these can be used as 4 > mono-tracks, 2 stereo-tracks, or 2 mono- & 1 stereo-track..... user's choice. > best, > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 10:19:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06919; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <57.340ce6f.2948c716@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:43:34 EST Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <4cZiw.A.kjB.C12F8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hutton@pathcom.com writes: >Just one question .... How long can a single loop employing all Repeater >TRK's >last in duration using a 128 FlashCard. >That is, one loop engaging as much information as possible by the unit >working >at all possible maximums. >Thank you in advance for an answer to this question. i *believe* that there's an 8-minute boundary for any individual loop. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 11:10:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11845; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:46:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:46:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:42:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:EDP Undo Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_cZ2DD.A.cxC.qo3F8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm a little confused by the undo operation on the EDP, and was >wondering if anyone could clear it up for me (like through one of >your wonderful little essays, Kim?). >I've read the manual, and understand that a long press is supposed >to undo the entire previous layer (given memory limitations), and a >short press is supposed to undo the tail end starting from where you >press "undo". But my EDP seems erratic in this function -- often I >have to press undo twice or more to undo the previous layer, and >often it doesn't allow a long press -- the little undo light blinks >on and off really quickly. Also, it seems to me that sometimes I >have to press undo while the previously recorded material I want to >undo is actually playing. If I press it elsewhere in the loop, >nothing happens. >Comments, anyone? thanks in advance. This is an old question and there must be several answers in the archives/FAQ. Anyway shortly again: - If you already listened back to the part you want to erase, it means that there was a copy made in the memory, so you have to press Undo twice. A typical situation is that you want to Undo a bit, then listen its still there, press Undo again, but only erase the new copy with it, so its still there and you press again... the Undo-Agony-Loop ;-) (In upcoming Loop4 only one press erases the empty copy plus the last overdub!) - The green LED tells you that there is still enough sound in memory for an Undo. Depending on previous alterations to the loop, its possible that this condition is only given in the later part of the loop, so the LED blinks. And you only get an effect if you press while its lit. (in Loop4, you can press anytime and the Undo is done asap) - There are situations where a previous Overdub extends over loop start or is fading out softly, so you think you press after the last layer to undo it all while you really just undo an inaudible end of it. (a musical question, no technical solution, unfortunately) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 11:47:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15499; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:15:55 EST Subject: Re: New loop-heavy Real Audio from forthcoming album To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, Very fine work! I am listening to the second piece as I write and I am enjoying it especially. Wonderfully sensitive playing! Like all great improvisations it sounds like you're really listening to each other and using your imaginations. I'm digging it a lot. Hey! I'll buy a CD when it comes out. Thanks for sharing. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 11:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15555; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:24:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:24:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxek4wn3Z1E45SvfU9FMR7ypS95MCFFF63Ea7pi/Mfn/dLu+LlAO9fGsh From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:17:35 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ... Message-ID: <23321-3C17831F-70@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Gary Lehmann" 's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:55:40 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there a starrlab demo video available? thanx, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 13:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22280; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:43:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #715 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <16EDIh-0c4zuyC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re:Newbie question; Amp Simulators > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hello, > Another newbie question; is there an amp simulator out > there that is head and shoulders above the rest; or are > they all pretty much in the same league? I'd be using > it a live looping situation as my primary guitar noise > generator. I'm looking at the Pod(or Pod Pro haven't > decided), the Johnson J-Station, and doesn't Behringer > make one now? > Thanks again. > Chris Olden They are all the same and IMO they all suck big time. There is not one single really useable guitar tone to be found in a Pod and, for that matter, in any of the Line 6 stuff I've tried. there might be handy aplications in the studio but not for serious stuff. I happened to see a demo of a H&K Centera amp the other week and that big, heavy and expensive piece of gear in fact does sound reasonably good. But for live playing I'd always recommend one (or two for stereo) decent small to midsize (tube) amps plus a blend of your favorite toys to go with it. andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 13:17:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23044; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:52:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #715 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:46:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <16EDS0-0V1m9gC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there a unit below Eventide price that does intelligent > pitch shifting, that's still in production? ------> t.c. g-force From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 13:39:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25916; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:14:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:14:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jimb@ehmail.com Date: 12 Dec 2001 10:06:51 -0800 Message-ID: <20011212180651.15167.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Dec 2001 18:06:51 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jimb@ehmail.com Subject: Fwd: The Ambient Ping presents Neil Wiernik and S3 Toronto Canada Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: "Neil W." Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:17:53 -0500 (EST) The Ambient Ping Presents Neil Wiernik (aka naw/dropfile) S3 (aka Susanna Hood/Liminal/Hum) December 18th 2001 Free - 1st set at 9:30 Club nia / C'est What 19 Church St. (at Front St) Toronto, Canada http://www.theambientping.com Audio contortionist Neil Wiernik (aka naw & dropfile) presents the live premiere of "Low Level Breathing", an exploration of sound below sea level. Neil has constructed an application especially for this performance, enabling him to control all his various processes and how they are diffused to the audience. http://cec.concordia.ca/Radio/Long/Wiernik.html Performing as her sonic alter-ego S3, dancer and choreographer Susanna Hood (hum, LiminaL Projects) will be using her voice, the wood and strings of a piano, motors, chimes, looper and other gadgets to create layered soundscapes and abstract songs with a little borrowing here and there from some favorite standards. Don't be surprised if she starts moving around. http://www.humprojects.org/subio.html THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chill-out and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent. Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient and experimental performances. ------- End of forwarded message ------- James Bailey host: A Missing Sense / Electric Storm CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto ckln.sac.ryerson.ca __________________________________________________________ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 13:39:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25897; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:14:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:14:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C179D14.3C0DE54E@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:08:20 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A.Willers@t-online.de, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #715 References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> <16EDIh-0c4zuyC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Another newbie question; is there an amp simulator out there that is > head and shoulders above the rest; or are > > they all pretty much in the same league? > They are all the same and IMO they all suck big time. Heh. For the most part I agree with this. However, I am rather fond of the Sansamp pieces. I've used the original stompbox sized one and found it very expressive. There are a few models out now (as well a as few discontinued ones) so you might want ot read around on them but IMO the Sansamp thingies are worth checking out. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 13:41:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25914; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c18337$95f9caa0$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:05:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The VF-1 has an intelligent pitch shifter inside, along with the amp simulators etc... Not that good (certainly not an eventide), but really utilizable. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Olden" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:07 AM Subject: Re: Newbie questions; Thanks! > > Hello, > Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to answer my > questions. I guess I have some homework/shopping to do! > A couple more questions; > > The EDP when fully loaded with RAM can hold how many > minutes(of non-savable)loops? It is a mono unit, correct? > > The Repeater has 4 loops? Is that two sets of stereo loops, > or 4 individual loops assignable as mono or as loop pairs? > > Is there a unit below Eventide price that does intelligent > pitch shifting, that's still in production? > > Thankyou all again! > Sincerely, > Chris Olden > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 13:53:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27037; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:29:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:29:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:16:32 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Question From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112121507.KAA09474@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3091007792_958873_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3091007792_958873_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I had a similar problem once -- it turned out to be a loose Simm chip. Eventually, I had to open up the unit and put the chip in solidly (actually, I had someone else do it but it seemed really simple). The short term fix, though, was to give it a solid smack on the chassis! Subject: EDP question Hello- My EDP is acting strange tonight and I am wondering if any of you have experienced similar behavior and can offer any suggestions. --MS_Mac_OE_3091007792_958873_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP Question
I had a similar problem once -- it turned out to be a loose Sim= m chip.  Eventually, I had to open up the unit and put the chip in soli= dly (actually, I had someone else do it but it seemed really simple).  = The short term fix, though, was to give it a solid smack on the chassis!



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Hello-

My EDP is acting strange tonight and I am wondering if any of you have
experienced similar behavior and can off= er any suggestions.
--MS_Mac_OE_3091007792_958873_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 14:31:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30820; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c1833f$396ce260$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Question Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:00:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C182FC.2A0AB9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C182FC.2A0AB9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP QuestionThanks- I'll open it up and clean them and re-seat them- = It started up fine this morning so I left it on to see if it will be = bugging out later when I get home-=20 Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: Re: EDP Question I had a similar problem once -- it turned out to be a loose Simm = chip. Eventually, I had to open up the unit and put the chip in solidly = (actually, I had someone else do it but it seemed really simple). The = short term fix, though, was to give it a solid smack on the chassis! Subject: EDP question Hello- My EDP is acting strange tonight and I am wondering if any of you = have experienced similar behavior and can offer any suggestions. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C182FC.2A0AB9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP Question
Thanks- I'll open it up and clean them and re-seat = them-=20
 
It started up fine this morning so I left it on to = see if=20 it will be bugging out later when I get home-
 
Cliff
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experienced = similar=20 behavior and can offer any = suggestions.
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C182FC.2A0AB9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 14:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31261; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:15:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:15:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c18340$0fb2b480$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> <16EDIh-0c4zuyC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #715 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:05:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andreas. Have you really ever tried a pod??? Or some line6 products? Or have you only heard the preset sounds??? Having had and used some marshalls, fenders and laneys I find that the emulations in the pods are really good (certainly you have to use it with some good power amp or pa system, not in front of a guitar amp or on a multimedia desktop system)...but I skipped completelly the presets (those really suck), I use it in manual mode, and create my sounds from scratch. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.Willers" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #715 > They are all the same and IMO they all suck big time. There is not one > single really useable guitar tone to be found in a Pod and, for that > matter, in any of the Line 6 stuff I've tried. there might be handy > aplications in the studio but not for serious stuff. I happened to see a > demo of a H&K Centera amp the other week and that big, heavy and expensive > piece of gear in fact does sound reasonably good. But for live playing I'd > always recommend one (or two for stereo) decent small to midsize (tube) > amps plus a blend of your favorite toys to go with it. > andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 15:04:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00539; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:39:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:39:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:35:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Upgrade distribution Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2GreqC.A.C7H.iD7F8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A little business for an unemployed brother. (This is not meant do be discussed on the list, please answer privately.) As the Loop4 soft becomes mature, we need to send it out some to testers and later distribute to everyone interested. Unfortunately Kim is too busy to do it and I am too far away. The process is: - get an EPROM burner (little box for about $150, software included for PC) - buy EPROMs from a distributor to be indicated - get my burn file as email attachment - set up the software (can be tricky until it works the first time) - burn EPROMs in pairs (just exchange EPROM, click Start and wait about 20seconds) - print the manual upgrade and upgrade manual - pack them together and mail to users - charge the users by credit card or paypal or whatever is best - give some assistance in case the user has problems with the upgrading - list up the sales nicely... - maybe help to advertize the product to users of which we dont have an email adress. The first few EPROMs we need to send out asap, later it can turn into an almost full time job for about a month and then over a longer period there may be ocasional work. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 15:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01762; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Starrlab Demo (was [OT] Handsonic's Potential 4 Wackiness ...) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:46:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <23321-3C17831F-70@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William Mcallister wrote on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:18 AM Is there a starrlab demo video available? thanx, Bill Harvey says not yet . . . I know that Chris King had some Quicktime stuff on his web site but those files are unavailable right now. Bobby Beausoliel (that name ring a bell?) is supposed to be doing something sometime (he's on the demo CD) but nothing available right now . . . Also Harvey says he hasn't worked on the software upgrade this week, so we wait patiently for good things to come . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 15:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05446; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:35:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17BE44.A51A89EE@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:30:18 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #715 References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> <16EDIh-0c4zuyC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> <3C179D14.3C0DE54E@HelpWantedProductions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Legion wrote: > > > Another newbie question; is there an amp simulator out there that is > > head and shoulders above the rest; or are > > > they all pretty much in the same league? > > > They are all the same and IMO they all suck big time. > > Heh. For the most part I agree with this. However, I am rather fond of the > Sansamp pieces. I've used the original stompbox sized one and found it very > expressive. There are a few models out now (as well a as few discontinued > ones) so you might want ot read around on them but IMO the Sansamp thingies > are worth checking out. > imho these things generally (and sansamp in particular) sound best when they're being used for other than trying to emulate (or replace) existing tube amp tones. the sansamp gear for example works wonders on vocal tracks, drums, etc. where you might want to create an unusual texture or two...you can use them on guitar but best not to think you'll somehow be able to conjure up that magical n.o.s. tube mojo...subvert the designer's plans and you can't (nearly) go wrong! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 16:45:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09490; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011212211404.44613.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:14:04 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Re: Repeater multiply function To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <154.5a213c3.2948bee4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-jrnL.A.rNC.Cj8F8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > dt / splattercell Thanks for the response. I just wanted to be sure that I hadn't missed something. 1 more question (if you have time)- Have you tried using them together with the edp doing the percussive part & laying down the rhythm on the Repeater? If so...how do you connect the 2 for best results (synching & andio connections). Thank you, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 16:51:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09850; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:21:05 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Pod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029b01c18352$e8a1cf80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> <16EDIh-0c4zuyC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> <000f01c18340$0fb2b480$0101a8c0@workstation1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have to second this. i also have the pod (v 1) and though i have not fully explored the possibilities, i think manual mode allows for some nice sounds. i don't like the presets much at all. the emulations are just ok but are much easier than hauling several amps to a gig. once the guitar is buried in the mix by a drums and vocals sound guy, they are probably indistinguishable from the real thing anyway... my only problem with this box is that you can't really overdrive it like a real tube amp. you can kind of fake it with the controls, but you have to think differently. (you can't just throw a tube screamer in front of it and crank the level) i think it is a great looper tool, because you can loop the amp sound without having to mike it. running a looper between guitar and amp just doesn't cut it for me. > Hi Andreas. Have you really ever tried a pod??? Or some line6 products? Or > have you only heard the preset sounds??? > Having had and used some marshalls, fenders and laneys I find that the > emulations in the pods are really good (certainly you have to use it with > some good power amp or pa system, not in front of a guitar amp or on a > multimedia desktop system)...but I skipped completelly the presets (those > really suck), I use it in manual mode, and create my sounds from scratch. > > Peace > Luigi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A.Willers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #715 > > > > > They are all the same and IMO they all suck big time. There is not one > > single really useable guitar tone to be found in a Pod and, for that > > matter, in any of the Line 6 stuff I've tried. there might be handy > > aplications in the studio but not for serious stuff. I happened to see a > > demo of a H&K Centera amp the other week and that big, heavy and expensive > > piece of gear in fact does sound reasonably good. But for live playing I'd > > always recommend one (or two for stereo) decent small to midsize (tube) > > amps plus a blend of your favorite toys to go with it. > > > andreas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10762; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:44:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:44:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Where to buy Jewel cases in SF? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:36:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2001 21:36:21.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A586AB0:01C18355] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need to obtain clear CD jewel cases by friday. Does anybody know of a place in SF or Oakland where I could go to purchase these in a small bulk order (like 50)? I've had luck in the past with CD Duplication places that aren't bedroom-run affairs. There was one place around 4th and Howard a few years ago, but I can't seem to find them now. I'm looking for CLEAR CD jewel cases, as in the piece that the CD itself rests on is as clear as the rest of the case. Thanks, Matt _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12653; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:59:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:59:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17D272.CF20E28D@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:56:02 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Undo References: <200112121507.KAA09474@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had similar experience with undo on the EDP, which is probably the main reason I don't use mine more. It feels to me like I never know what undo is going to do, or even if it will work at all. I've gotten into states where pressing undo doesn't do anything, and it's not because I've run out of memory (or at least shouldn't have). One of the things that would make undo more usable for me would be having the short press be the "undo everything." This is almost always what I want to do, and having to press for a second to get it is painful. Maybe a parameter that allows the user to toggle between long and short ? Elby Subject: Re:EDP Undo Question Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:06:21 -0500 From: Steve Sandberg To: I'm a little confused by the undo operation on the EDP, and was wondering if anyone could clear it up for me (like through one of your wonderful little essays, Kim?). I've read the manual, and understand that a long press is supposed to undo the entire previous layer (given memory limitations), and a short press is supposed to undo the tail end starting from where you press "undo". But my EDP seems erratic in this function -- often I have to press undo twice or more to undo the previous layer, and often it doesn't allow a long press -- the little undo light blinks on and off really quickly. Also, it seems to me that sometimes I have to press undo while the previously recorded material I want to undo is actually playing. If I press it elsewhere in the loop, nothing happens. Comments, anyone? thanks in advance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:51:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14551; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:26:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:26:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17D84F.EAA13DEB@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:21:07 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pod References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> <16EDIh-0c4zuyC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> <000f01c18340$0fb2b480$0101a8c0@workstation1> <029b01c18352$e8a1cf80$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer wrote: > ... running a looper between guitar and amp just doesn't cut it for me. i assume this is because you want to be able to select the amp sound (or the looper) rather than always have it in the signal chain? how about using a mixer for this instead? i'd love to get more info from those on the list with what they consider successful instrument/mic/mixer/effects/amp (not nec. in that order) signal chains; both for live situations and recording. i know this topic has come up in the past, but i need another fix :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:55:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14948; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:30:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17D967.B24B4910@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:25:47 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to buy Jewel cases in SF? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1KUqaB.A._hD.Sk9F8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matt davignon wrote: > I need to obtain clear CD jewel cases by friday. Does anybody know of a > place in SF or Oakland where I could go to purchase these in a small bulk > order (like 50)? > > I've had luck in the past with CD Duplication places that aren't bedroom-run > affairs. There was one place around 4th and Howard a few years ago, but I > can't seem to find them now. > > I'm looking for CLEAR CD jewel cases, as in the piece that the CD itself > rests on is as clear as the rest of the case. matt, i assume you've tried online. i suppose at this point it'd have to be a rush on the order and the shipping, but it can probably be done... www.xdr2.com/CD-Jewel.htm lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:59:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15318; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:35:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:35:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17DA17.6F86014E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:28:40 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to buy Jewel cases in SF? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen them fairly inexpensive at CompUSA matt davignon wrote: > I need to obtain clear CD jewel cases by friday. Does anybody know of a > place in SF or Oakland where I could go to purchase these in a small bulk > order (like 50)? > > I've had luck in the past with CD Duplication places that aren't bedroom-run > affairs. There was one place around 4th and Howard a few years ago, but I > can't seem to find them now. > > I'm looking for CLEAR CD jewel cases, as in the piece that the CD itself > rests on is as clear as the rest of the case. > > Thanks, > > Matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 18:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15948; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17EBBF.9E827CA3@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:43:59 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: I have to do it again...T-Shirts: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Folks, Because the USPS has failed to make a delivery in Italy, I am forced to reprint 2 Looper shirts. Since its not the printers fault this time, he isnt very happy about the prospect of doing a run of only 2 shirts. Therefore I am taking orders for anyone who might have had regrets about not ordering one before. The ordering info is still at the loopers delight page: http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html But Kim may be taking it down soon... Or contact me (off-list). If you are interested, it will really help us out. If I can get an order for 10 shirts, the printer will honor the previous pricing. Thanks guys! -jas (dimmo@dimbulb.org) Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 18:25:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18494; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17E071.921E7757@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:55:45 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP Question References: <200112122223.RAA14372@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I've been having a problem like that too, and the Fonzie fix seems to work well. SMACK...Ehhhh. After being on for a while, my EDP freaks out, loses its loop if it has one going, and then gives me a jibberish readout on the display (sometimes 666), accompanied by unpleasant, loud noises. After I smack it and go through a power cycle, it seems to stay fixed as long as the unit stays on. Please let us know if re-seating the SIMMS works for you. -Hans > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: EDP Question > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:16:32 -0500 > From: Steve Sandberg > To: > > I had a similar problem once -- it turned out to be a loose > Simm chip. Eventually, I had to open up the unit and put > the chip in solidly (actually, I had someone else do it but > it seemed really simple). The short term fix, though, was > to give it a solid smack on the chassis! > > --------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 18:26:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18584; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:03:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C17DFA5.1EE558B3@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:52:21 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: intelligent References: <200112121507.KAA09474@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "....sorry, i missed the beginning of the thread: i don't really use 'intelligent' pitch-shifting" Ahhhhh me too. In fact I dont use intelligent anything, including myself... Errrm Sorry... Could not resist... Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 18:34:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19121; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:10:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:10:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:06:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c182b0$ef1a0780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My TC G-Force is awful at intelligent pitch shifting as well. (Same goes for the FireworX.) Makes me wonder why a manufacturer would include a feature so bad in a box that costs so much. However, the single and dual fixed pitch shifting is pretty good. Someday I will need to take out a second mortgage on the house so I can buy an Eventide. :-( -Allan on 12/11/01 6:01 PM, Clifford@BienAppraisers at res0koq3@verizon.net wrote: > I would actually be interested in an overall opinion myself- was interested > in it with the low price it is at- not to mention the pitch shifting on my > TC M-One is awful. > >>> Is there a unit below Eventide price that does intelligent >>> pitch shifting, that's still in production? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 18:42:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19601; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:18:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:18:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804801@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: dumb question Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:10:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18362.22E59730" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18362.22E59730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hello more knowledgable list folk, can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv pedal? if not, what does? thanks. your in ignorance, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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hello more knowledgable list folk,

can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv pedal? if not, what does?

thanks.

your in ignorance,

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18362.22E59730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 19:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22015; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:58:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c18367$caf357a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804801@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: dumb question Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:50:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C18324.BBFD8560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C18324.BBFD8560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dumb questionI'm in ignorance? I thought I was in L.A.? Am I missing = something? Carter for president! Om ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: dumb question hello more knowledgable list folk,=20 can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv pedal? if not, = what does?=20 thanks.=20 your in ignorance,=20 stig=20 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended = only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader = of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent = responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any = dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, = disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur = while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you = have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by = return e-mail. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C18324.BBFD8560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dumb question
I'm in ignorance? I thought I was in L.A.? Am I = missing=20 something? Carter for president!
 
Om
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hello more knowledgable list folk,

can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv = pedal? if=20 not, what does?

thanks.

your in ignorance,

stig



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------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C18324.BBFD8560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 19:26:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23497; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:02:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:02:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.209] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:55:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2001 23:55:50.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[86F560B0:01C18368] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, I liked the Handsonic just fine. I enjoyed playing it on gigs and messing around with it at home. I sold it to a very musically talented friend who needed it more than I did. The cool thing about the KARMA is not only is there a mailing list for it, but its creator, Stephen Kaye, is a regular on that list and seems to be pretty accessible as far as answering questions. He does a far better job than Korg's entire support department. Paolo >Paolo....a question please....What don't you like about the Handsonic? > >and a comment....The Karma is "ridiculous". I just got one and absolutely >love it. but I'm still saving up for a G4 Titanium Powerbook >tr > >From: "Paolo Valladolid" >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:08:32 -0500 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC > >Sounds like a familiar argument. I have lost it myself a few times (like >when I bought a Handsonic on impulse). :) > >I still use my lowly DL4 for looping right now. I think for me the >hardware >looper plus a phrase sampler would be a more reliable solution as an >upgrade >over the DL4. I know Wave Digital is trying to sell their little >GameCube-like box to Mac users as a looping box, but Mac users can get both >an EDP and a Repeater for that price. :) > >I use a similar reasoning on my internal debate over a Mac laptop+Max/MSP >vs. Korg KARMA. > >Paolo > > >BTW, I'm not arguing just for the sake of arguing, this is also an >internal > >debate with my inner geek who keeps repeating the mantra "but it's SOOO > >COOOL!" > > > > Kevin > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 19:35:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24160; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:11:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:11:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.209] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp simulators Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:04:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 00:04:29.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBF1B830:01C18369] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As you shop for one, also consider the Yamaha DG series (the rackmount unit and the Stomp floor pedal) and the Boss GT6. Not because I might be beholden to either company, but because they haven't been mentioned and you probably want to try the widest range of products that you can. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 19:39:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24470; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:15:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:15:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #717 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200112122223.RAA14370@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200112122223.RAA14370@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:09:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <16EJQf-17vN4aC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, saturated/distorted guitar sounds are a very, very subjective thing and generally everybody should go ahead and use what gives good results to his/her ear, period. But I am a little alergic to these amp simulators because they are promissing you something they will never be able to live up to. One of the most important factors for a Marshall sound is the 4x12" cab with Celestions. There is no way on earth that you can duplicate this in a digital bean shaped box, it's physically impossible. The whole thing reminds me of the fact that people got so used to the taste of canned pineaple over time that a wide majority of people in a test found freshly squeezed pineable juice 'artificial tasting' as opposed to canned juice. Beware of the brainwash, guys! That said I have to admit that a) I have used sansamp pedals with fair results myself (the TriOD, for example, has a nice 'british' and a horrible 'tweed' sound in it), b) that Centara amp I mentioned seems to do a good job (but as I said, it is a big, heavy and expensive stereo 2x12" amp), c) I have the tried Line 6 stuff on three or four occasions and almost always found them terrible sounding. I have to work with rented or borrowed stuff occasionally and even with some goofy Boss pedals and a Twin with Sovtech tubes I'd manage to get by I think, but the Pod even has a latency problem...almost like a Midi-guitar. Again, given time one might be able to get more out of them, esp. in the studio. I have trouble with those soft knobs that turn without knowing when they dial in etc. TO GET BACK OT: I just played a Solo gig in a not-too-small club with two little 6V6 tube amps as an experiment, one '62 Fender and one '59 Gibson and put my modified G-force and EDP between the overdrive pedal (Baby Blue OD) and amps..........the tone was so phantastic (to my ears) it made me literally scream. I played a festival for classical guitar music earlier with the Gibson and an old Bassman amp a got congratulated for my great tone by prominent classical guitarists and boroque lute players. Then again, recording a great amp sound is another story, who knows what we will beusing ten years from now :-) andreas > i have to second this. > i also have the pod (v 1) and though i have not fully explored the > possibilities, > i think manual mode allows for some nice sounds. > i don't like the presets much at all. > the emulations are just ok but are much easier than hauling several amps > to a gig. > once the guitar is buried in the mix by a drums and vocals sound guy, they > are probably indistinguishable from the real thing anyway... > > my only problem with this box is that you can't really overdrive it like > a real tube amp. > you can kind of fake it with the controls, but you have to think > differently. > (you can't just throw a tube screamer in front of it and crank the level) > > i think it is a great looper tool, because you can loop the amp sound > without > having to mike it. running a looper between guitar and amp just doesn't > cut it for me. > > > Hi Andreas. Have you really ever tried a pod??? Or some line6 products? > Or > > have you only heard the preset sounds??? > > Having had and used some marshalls, fenders and laneys I find that the > > emulations in the pods are really good (certainly you have to use it > with > > some good power amp or pa system, not in front of a guitar amp or on a > > multimedia desktop system)...but I skipped completelly the presets > (those > > really suck), I use it in manual mode, and create my sounds from > scratch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 20:01:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26623; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:30:33 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Pod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02d601c1836d$60a84940$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200112120251.VAA21688@hemlock.violacea.com> <16EDIh-0c4zuyC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> <000f01c18340$0fb2b480$0101a8c0@workstation1> <029b01c18352$e8a1cf80$080210ac@jpalmer> <3C17D84F.EAA13DEB@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0-eHy.A.jXG.Pb_F8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com more like wanting to change the "amp" sound without effecting the existing loop and also wanting to loop other things than guitar... i am using a mixer to make this happen. i am in the process of making a rig to gig with, so my signal chain is in flux, but here is my thinking at the moment: 1 - guitar (or bass or trumpet) 2 - pedal board (including pod) 3 - parallel connection to alesis 12r mixer (out to mains) and kawai mx8-sr (to edp and repeater and later probably to kyma as well) also feeding mixers: voice, congas, bass. this setup will allow me to easily select any channel to send to loopers as well as allow a separate mix of those channels. i didn't like the idea of using a mixer with extra aux sends because you can't grab several rotary pots at once and you don't get a good graphical representation of what's in the mix. > jim palmer wrote: > > > ... running a looper between guitar and amp just doesn't cut it for me. > > i assume this is because you want to be able to select the amp sound (or the looper) rather > than always have it in the signal chain? > > how about using a mixer for this instead? > > i'd love to get more info from those on the list with what they consider successful > instrument/mic/mixer/effects/amp (not nec. in that order) signal chains; both for live > situations and recording. i know this topic has come up in the past, but i need another fix > :-) > > lance g. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 20:04:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27018; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:40:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:40:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804803@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: dumb question Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:33:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1836D.BD3D0010" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1836D.BD3D0010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yes cliff, you've missed plenty . . . but we're not telling . . . stig I'm in ignorance? I thought I was in L.A.? Am I missing something? Carter for president! 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yes cliff, you've missed plenty . . . but we're not telling . . .
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1836D.BD3D0010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 20:08:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27325; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EDP Question Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:37:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1836e$59b85b60$332f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <3C17E071.921E7757@ernieball.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, cool! I've got the 666 display before too! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > After being on for a while, my EDP freaks out, loses its loop > if it has one going, and then gives me a jibberish readout on > the display (sometimes 666), From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 20:24:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29691; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:01:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:01:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16EJQf-17vN4aC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> References: <200112122223.RAA14370@hemlock.violacea.com> <16EJQf-17vN4aC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:46:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have to work with rented or borrowed stuff >occasionally and even with some goofy Boss pedals and a Twin with Sovtech >tubes I'd manage to get by I think some of us just have to get by with our amp modellers. however, if you can find me a good condition original echoplex and space echo... maybe i'll trade you for my dl4. do you have anything online, where i can hear what you do? i'm not trying to be too sarcastic...i just have a hard time with this "oh my god, that stuff totally sucks". if it blows that hard, why are they showing up in professional player's rigs? are they as tone deaf as i am, digging on the fact that i can get a pretty kick ass sound without turning an amp up to saturation point and rattling the walls? a marshall (4x12 celestion's and all) can sound like shit at bedroom volumes....a POD/Flextone can sound like shit at club volumes, if not tweaked for such use. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 20:28:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30185; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:05:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:59:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Where to buy Jewel cases in SF? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I need to obtain clear CD jewel cases by friday. Does anybody know of a >place in SF or Oakland where I could go to purchase these in a small bulk >order (like 50)? > I believe I've seen these for sale -- even the clear ones you're talking about -- at my local Staples office supply store. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 21:03:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32326; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:39:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:39:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:35:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #717 From: Allan Hoeltje To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16EJQf-17vN4aC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is a "modified G-force"? Have you actually opened it up and tweeked the insides? -Allan on 12/12/01 4:09 PM, A.Willers at A.Willers@t-online.de wrote: > ... > TO GET BACK OT: I just played a Solo gig in a not-too-small club with two > little 6V6 tube amps as an experiment, one '62 Fender and one '59 Gibson > and put my modified G-force and EDP between the overdrive pedal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 21:20:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01485; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:56:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.75.234] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pod Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:48:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 01:48:37.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[48524570:01C18378] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'm looking at a similar set-up to Jim Palmer's. With(insert amp simulator of choice here) as the main signal generator, going into a Passac unity 8 mixer, from there I can send signals to all the various effects units and looping devices in my rack. I'm trying to cut down the "firepower" I have to carry around. Most clubs in town are not too fond of Caspar Brotzman level "music/noise". (a Mesa Triple Wrecktifier through 2 Recto 4x12 bottoms and the effects through 2 Carvin 4x12's) Thanks for the info! Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 21:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03756; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:15:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:15:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:08:29 EST Subject: intelligent pitch shift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is this?.....and the only box that can do it is the eventide billion dollar thingie.....i think just about every box i have does some sort of "pitch shifting" and when i smack them all together they cause a big noise.....intelligent? i dont know, thats why i ask, what is ips.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 22:54:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08769; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:29:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:29:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:20:17 -0500 Subject: Re:EDP Undo From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112130124.UAA31330@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3091040417_773483_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3091040417_773483_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks, Matthias -- looking forward to Loop 4. Also, I agree with Mountain Man (see below). One of the things that would make undo more usable for me would be having the short press be the "undo everything." --MS_Mac_OE_3091040417_773483_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:EDP Undo
Thanks, Matthias -- looking forward to Loop 4. &= nbsp;Also, I agree with Mountain Man (see below).


One of the things that would make undo more usable fo= r me would be
having the = short press be the "undo everything."
--MS_Mac_OE_3091040417_773483_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 22:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09041; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:33:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:26:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 03:26:05.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[E61947B0:01C18385] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Simple definition: Intelligent pitch-shifting is when your pitch-shifting device can harmonize to the musical scale (not just the notes) of the progression you are playing. >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: intelligent pitch shift >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:08:29 EST > >what is this?.....and the only box that can do it is the eventide billion >dollar thingie.....i think just about every box i have does some sort of >"pitch shifting" and when i smack them all together they cause a big >noise.....intelligent? i dont know, thats why i ask, what is ips.....:)m > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 23:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09499; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:44:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:44:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: intelligent pitch shift (gettin' kinda OT) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:38:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IPS-33B was too smart for me--and when I use the Vocalist, I like to send it note on info, so it doesn't try to figure out what I'm doing. The GT-3's got an intelligent harmonizer mode, just send it the root--I use it almost not at all (the sound is only OK). BTW, does anybody know the longest delay time on the (new) GT-6? I assume one can load the GT-3 patches into it with the proper PC patch librarian/editor. Mine is great for effects and amp sims into the looper but the delay is only 1.8 seconds, not quite longer enough to use for looping. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: intelligent pitch shift what is this?.....and the only box that can do it is the eventide billion dollar thingie.....i think just about every box i have does some sort of "pitch shifting" and when i smack them all together they cause a big noise.....intelligent? i dont know, thats why i ask, what is ips.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 01:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18109; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:47:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:47:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c18399$2e14e200$9565fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804801@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <009101c18367$caf357a0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: OT: dumb question - reminds one of idea Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:44:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if, for some ... strange.. reason, i'd ever be in a position to film a documentary, it'd have to be a delightful, irreverent jaunt into the subject matter of earthlings (yes, even ducks) and their wonderfully entertaining reactions to the unknown at any given point in time. it'd almost certainly be entitled "The History of Ignorance", and ideally be narrated by either John Cleese (tried and true), or this dude who worked as a host at a restaurant I worked at who was really funny, and kinda looked like David Burne if he was perpetually surprised and earnest all the time. I would have to insist that commas be given at least a modicum of attention, as their use is something that has always confounded me. sincerely, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: dumb question dumb questionI'm in ignorance? I thought I was in L.A.? Am I missing something? Carter for president! Om ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: dumb question hello more knowledgable list folk, can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv pedal? if not, what does? thanks. your in ignorance, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 01:35:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21156; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:01:59 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: dumb question In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804801@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804801@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5AvShC.A.18E.JSEG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:10 PM -0500 12/12/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv pedal? Yes. "CV" = "control voltage" The 1/4" TRS connector on the pedal's cable plugs into a jack which supplies a DC source voltage. This voltage is scaled by the potentiometer inside the pedal and is returned to the jack. Moving the pedal rotates the potentiometer and varies the resistance, and this in turn varies the voltage. The changes in this voltage value control the value of the assigned parameter, so we say that it is voltage controlled. CV pedals are also known as Expression pedals. In general, they are NOT the same thing as volume pedals because they typically have linear pots rather than logarithmic pots. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 02:29:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25589; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:03:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:03:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:53:57 EST Subject: slightly OT: cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cb.1a2722ca.2949aa85_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: <9Z5AQC.A.d4F.wCFG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cb.1a2722ca.2949aa85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everybody! In regard to putting a rack system together; does cable quality make a huge difference? In other words - should I bother investing in specially made sets of cable or would I be just as well off grabbing some HOSA cables from someplace like Musicians Friend? (I'll be using 1/4" stereo to dual 1/4" phone plugs to hook my stuff up to a Patchmate.) Thanks! -Todd --part1_cb.1a2722ca.2949aa85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everybody!  In regard to putting a rack system together; does cable quality make a huge difference?
In other words - should I bother investing in specially made sets of cable or would I be just as well off grabbing some HOSA cables from someplace like Musicians Friend? (I'll be using 1/4" stereo to dual 1/4" phone plugs to hook my stuff up to a Patchmate.)  Thanks!    -Todd
--part1_cb.1a2722ca.2949aa85_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 03:12:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27562; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:47:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:39:51 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_intelligent_pitch_shift?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.24.18.163 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA27240 Resent-Message-ID: <0DBPjD.A.3pG.EuFG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what is this?.....and the only box that can do it is the eventide bill ion > dollar thingie..... This is not true: Eclipse UltraHarmonizer(R) is sold well under $ 2000 as all other barnds hi quality fx processors. If you think you can get really good pitch shifting for a couple of hundred bucks, with intelligent harmony features and correct formant shifting, avoiding mickey mouse sounds that ANY other pitch shifter has,....well you're offtrack. Quality has its price. Eventide is the best and it has a product now that is in the mid range of the market. BTW TC and Lexicon flagship units are 2/4 times more expensive then Eventide Orville. No comparison about the power of it. The feeling the market has is the opposite : "Eventide is expensive" not true! The difference is that Lexicon and TC also make cheap boxes in the far east, Eventide doesn't. When we come to the real quality units, Eventide is less expensive and more powerful than TC and LExi. greetings Italo De Angelis ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 03:24:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29384; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:59:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:04:41 -0600 From: Craque To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Craque: upcoming electronica loops in chicago Message-ID: <20011213020441.B25321@silence.metatronpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings fellow music makers and electronic artists... Some shows of interest featuring live Craque, wherein I mix and meld my particular theory of quantum synthesis, strange loops and studio tracks into a delightful downtempo session of improvised electronica. All shows are in Chicago, IL. More info about Craque is at http://craque.net -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thursday, Dec. 13 9-11p - LIVE CRAQUE Synesthesia @ Big Wig musical rocks and sundry objects 1551 W. Division followed by DJ Chris Widman of WLUW's Abstract Science Saturday, Dec. 15 9-10p - LIVE CRAQUE Heaven Gallery improvisation reigns supreme 1550 N. Milwaukee also featuring Sterling & Abeline Thursday, Dec. 27 9-11p - LIVE CRAQUE Synesthesia @ Big Wig Kosugi tribute by MRD 1551 W. Division Synesthesia Resident Showcase -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 03:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30195; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:08:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:02:23 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011601c183ac$7f5dc5b0$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <4DD9lB.A.6SH.-BGG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A while back, I would have said no ... but I used George L's solderless cables on my pedalboard recently and I really did notice a slight difference ... and I don't mean like Eric Johnson superhuman undetectable to the typical human ear type hearing either ... just less noise. But, I do not see any way to justify spending Monster Cable prices for cables ... ----- Original Message ----- From: THusken@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: slightly OT: cables Hey everybody! In regard to putting a rack system together; does cable quality make a huge difference? In other words - should I bother investing in specially made sets of cable or would I be just as well off grabbing some HOSA cables from someplace like Musicians Friend? (I'll be using 1/4" stereo to dual 1/4" phone plugs to hook my stuff up to a Patchmate.) Thanks! -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 04:12:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32301; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:47:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:47:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011213083900.68187.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you decide to buy Hosa, you might consider ordering from Lentine's. http://www.lentine.com/ca/cabhos.stm When I bought my cables, their price was a lot better than anyone else's. John --- THusken@aol.com wrote: > Hey everybody! In regard to putting a rack system > together; does cable > quality make a huge difference? > In other words - should I bother investing in > specially made sets of cable or > would I be just as well off grabbing some HOSA > cables from someplace like > Musicians Friend? (I'll be using 1/4" stereo to dual > 1/4" phone plugs to hook > my stuff up to a Patchmate.) Thanks! -Todd > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 04:37:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02357; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:11:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:11:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.148] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:04:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 09:04:28.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B6AE6F0:01C183B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please unsubscribe thankyou...... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 08:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18372; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:11:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:11:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C18A6F5.DDE1EFC2@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:02:45 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: GIG SPAM CH SeeWhat? (Claude Voit) in Geneva tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com salut just to let to know any Swiss loopers that I will be playing at "le chat noir" in Carouge/Geneva tonight at 9 30 this is a solo concert to sustain my just out album "SeeWhat? Electro/Acoustic/ambient " almost all the songs of the album will be revisited and tweaked intensly there will be a free beer for any loopers delight dude showing up more infos at www.lechatnoir.ch sorry I gadago Claude PS: there should be a live www streaming from the "live" page at www.lechatnoir.ch (Central european time +1) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 09:48:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23516; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:22:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:22:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:15:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 14:15:21.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[99AFE900:01C183E0] Resent-Message-ID: <08vg7B.A.spF.-gLG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! I also have the Handsonic and wondered if there is a newsgroup or similar list as this for the Handsonic! Anyone know of one? Weg From: "Paolo Valladolid" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:55:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.209] Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDE13AEC00704004310FCFE4EE0908030; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:01:51 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21935;Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:56:58 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:03:02 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:56:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2001 23:55:50.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[86F560B0:01C18368] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, I liked the Handsonic just fine. I enjoyed playing it on gigs and messing around with it at home. I sold it to a very musically talented friend who needed it more than I did. The cool thing about the KARMA is not only is there a mailing list for it, but its creator, Stephen Kaye, is a regular on that list and seems to be pretty accessible as far as answering questions. He does a far better job than Korg's entire support department. Paolo >Paolo....a question please....What don't you like about the Handsonic? > >and a comment....The Karma is "ridiculous". I just got one and absolutely >love it. but I'm still saving up for a G4 Titanium Powerbook >tr > >From: "Paolo Valladolid" >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:08:32 -0500 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Wave Digital's new portable PC > >Sounds like a familiar argument. I have lost it myself a few times (like >when I bought a Handsonic on impulse). :) > >I still use my lowly DL4 for looping right now. I think for me the >hardware >looper plus a phrase sampler would be a more reliable solution as an >upgrade >over the DL4. I know Wave Digital is trying to sell their little >GameCube-like box to Mac users as a looping box, but Mac users can get both >an EDP and a Repeater for that price. :) > >I use a similar reasoning on my internal debate over a Mac laptop+Max/MSP >vs. Korg KARMA. > >Paolo > > >BTW, I'm not arguing just for the sake of arguing, this is also an >internal > >debate with my inner geek who keeps repeating the mantra "but it's SOOO > >COOOL!" > > > > Kevin > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 09:53:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23824; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:27:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:27:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011213061921.01b7deb8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:19:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Handsonic In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Weg (06:15 AM 12.13.2001) wrote: >Hi all! >I also have the Handsonic and wondered if there is a newsgroup or similar list as this for the Handsonic! Anyone know of one? Yeup! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handsonic/ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 09:54:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24015; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:28:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:28:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:23:01 -0500 Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3091080181_344014_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3091080181_344014_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i had great luck with george L cable. it can be made easily, it's cheap and has the least capacatance (SP?) fo any cable.. it' solderless, too. you can fix it with a screwdrive and nail clipper if you have to.... on 12/13/01 1:53 AM, THusken@aol.com at THusken@aol.com wrote: Hey everybody! In regard to putting a rack system together; does cable quality make a huge difference? In other words - should I bother investing in specially made sets of cable or would I be just as well off grabbing some HOSA cables from someplace like Musicians Friend? (I'll be using 1/4" stereo to dual 1/4" phone plugs to hook my stuff up to a Patchmate.) Thanks! -Todd --MS_Mac_OE_3091080181_344014_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: slightly OT: cables i had great luck with george L cable. it can be made easily, it's cheap and= has the least capacatance (SP?) fo any cable.. it' solderless, too. you can= fix it with a screwdrive and nail clipper if you have to....



on 12/13/01 1:53 AM, THusken@aol.com at THusken@aol.com wrote:

Hey everybody!  In regard to putting a rack= system together; does cable quality make a huge difference?
In other words - should I bother investing in specially made sets of cable = or would I be just as well off grabbing some HOSA cables from someplace like= Musicians Friend? (I'll be using 1/4" stereo to dual 1/4" phone p= lugs to hook my stuff up to a Patchmate.)  Thanks!    -T= odd


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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C183B1.C2691080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 10:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26152; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:55:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:55:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:40:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8HZplD.A.jNG.j_LG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i had great luck with george L cable. it can be made easily, it's >cheap and has the least capacatance (SP?) fo any cable.. it' >solderless, too. you can fix it with a screwdrive and nail clipper >if you have to.... i'm sure this has been posted before, but can someone put the url for these solderless cables up? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 10:24:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27728; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:00:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:00:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10.1722f0ef.294a1af2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:53:38 EST Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.1722f0ef.294a1af2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10.1722f0ef.294a1af2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/01 2:42:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, italoop@libero.it writes: > avoiding > mickey mouse sounds that ANY other pitch shifter has is that why everything i play sounds like "i love you minnie!".....:)m --part1_10.1722f0ef.294a1af2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/01 2:42:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, italoop@libero.it writes:


avoiding
mickey mouse sounds that ANY other pitch shifter has


is that why everything i play sounds like "i love you minnie!".....:)m
--part1_10.1722f0ef.294a1af2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 10:28:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28173; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:57:08 EST Subject: Re: GIG SPAM CH SeeWhat? (Claude Voit) in Geneva tonight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com go get them claude!.....wish i could be there.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 10:39:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28994; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:15:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:15:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c183e8$455c1b00$bf934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: GIG SPAM CH SeeWhat? (Claude Voit) in Geneva tonight Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:10:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6VCc0D.A.h-G.HSMG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude écrit: >just to let to know any Swiss loopers that I will be playing at "le chat >noir" in Carouge/Geneva tonight at 9 30 >there will be a free beer for any loopers delight dude showing up I'd like to stop by, but I may have some trouble finding the place in the dark since "a la nuit, tous les chats sont noir" ;-) Good luck with the gig! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 10:58:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30248; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:30:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:30:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C18A6F5.DDE1EFC2@vtx.ch> References: <3C18A6F5.DDE1EFC2@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:21:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: Re: GIG SPAM CH SeeWhat? (Claude Voit) in Geneva tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA29530 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com salut Claude j'eté ā Geneve le week-end dernier. quel pitié... I'm listening with attention and interest your cd See What and soon (this weekend?) I'll be ready to post a complete review of it... bonne chanche pour ce soir bK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 11:23:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00740; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:59:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:59:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: dumb question Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:29:54 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips - -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: dumb question >hello more knowledgable list folk, >can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv pedal? yes it does qualify as a cv pedal, although not a very good one IMO as the sweep needs to be set. Thus, not a full range. if not, what >does? lots of pedals, but it depends on what gear you're using it with. Further, what some companies refer to as cv controls for either real time control of voltage (my fave) and/or feedback (me likes plenty also) varies. Whereas some makers built cv input controls around the 0 to +5 variable, that is not consistent across various gear. And +5 volts can also be pushed sometimes which may depend on how old memory is. That is the case for some of my looping tools and can also be tuned with some gear. among the various pedals that I have used as cv pedals: EV-5, not my fave at all and is hardly ever used Yamaha black stereo plug model, cannot recall model number-very smooth, still not full cv control for all units, very nice for feedback control on EDP's RFX 420P Stereo Volume Pan CV pedal, cv in and out, one of my sleeper pedals Ernie Ball volume pedal mono version, very nice but again depends on gear that you are using and with some makers of gear as I have found out works well after another cv pedal when plugged into the amp plug, that's a personal tip and trick. There are a lot of variations of this, many of which I exploit daily. Ensoniq CVP-1, still learning about this one and learning well DOD FX-17, mmm, cannot say enough good things about this puppy, built like tank, and more than likely the one cv pedal that you can use on just about any piece of gear as the volume output can also be used to control cv, but the range is shorther than when using the FX-17 as a cv pedal, can you set both functions together? huhuhuh, I knew you'd be surprised (FZ) In addition I have built and modded other pedals (broken gear is just missaplied gear sometimes) and things (I guess I am protective about how I do things) to control voltage in real time, somthing that is just not happening much in music and let me tell you it's nice doing something different. Tap me off or on list if you'd like to know about how I apply these pedals. Also would like to know how you are utilzing cv control in your rig. >thanks. >your in ignorance, blissful no? >stig Pedro Felix - NYC 2001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 11:48:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02516; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:16:17 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c183f1$7ebd3290$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.georgels.com/ >> i had great luck with George L's cable. > i'm sure this has been posted before, but can someone put the url for > these solderless cables up? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 11:50:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02813; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:25:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiVbZSFxB2VsWLX6B1vEiEJV6dfICFC/m4vQMnhkguTFcAz6CFctVcbW2 From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:18:14 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Steve Roach Message-ID: <5485-3C18D4C6-1337@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <8mP6q.A.mj.vTNG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I Talked to Steve Roach at Borders books here in vegas last night, he was here with his wife who just released a book. I asked him what he uses for looping devices, he said he uses 3 jam man's, 1 repeater, 1 echopro(not echoplex?) and a line 6. Also there will be collaboration album with him and Robert Fripp coming out soon. Sounds interesting. BongoBill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 12:11:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04064; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:44:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:38:52 -0500 Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here you go http://www.georgels.com/ also, since i also own a studio, i was able to become a "dealer" for the cable, which just means you get a better price and i think the initial order is a little higher. i think the cost goes down about 35%. it was available at gtr center for a while as well. peace monk on 12/13/01 9:40 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: >> i had great luck with george L cable. it can be made easily, it's >> cheap and has the least capacatance (SP?) fo any cable.. it' >> solderless, too. you can fix it with a screwdrive and nail clipper >> if you have to.... > > i'm sure this has been posted before, but can someone put the url for > these solderless cables up? > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 13:08:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08813; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:41:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: New loop-heavy Real Audio from forthcoming album Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Greeting Loopsters! > >Just a quick note to say that I've added a couple of (rather long) tracks to >my website for a forthcoming duo CD that I've just finished recording with >pianist Jez Carr - all the music is freely improvised, or perhaps more >accurately, unplanned and spontaneously composed. The only effect I'm using >is a DL4 (and I think I've managed to squeeze some pretty varied sounds from >one box!) and there's no post-processing going on, save the addition of a >little reverb in pro-tools, and no editing. > >Hope you enjoy them - the CD (with another 5 tracks) should be out >Feb/March next year... > >head for the MP3/Real Audio page on my website... do let me know what you >think... > Very nice stuff, Steve. You really do get a range of tones from the DL-4. The 2nd piece reminds me of Bill Evans. You both leave a lot of space, and the music has room to breathe. I look forward to the CD! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 13:14:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09258; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Subject: RE: GIG SPAM CH SeeWhat? (Claude Voit) in Geneva tonight Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:42:23 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: GIG SPAM CH SeeWhat? (Claude Voit) in Geneva tonight Thread-Index: AcGD7JdGJHm7wcWHQButvCzxZFolXAAEG3Jw From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA08914 Resent-Message-ID: <7uwj6.A.hLC.oiOG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now that's funny. Any of you guys know Eddie Izzard? A great British comedian who uses a lot of French in his punch lines/stories. -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny [mailto:j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net] Sent: 13 December 2001 15:10 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GIG SPAM CH SeeWhat? (Claude Voit) in Geneva tonight Claude écrit: >just to let to know any Swiss loopers that I will be playing at "le chat >noir" in Carouge/Geneva tonight at 9 30 >there will be a free beer for any loopers delight dude showing up I'd like to stop by, but I may have some trouble finding the place in the dark since "a la nuit, tous les chats sont noir" ;-) Good luck with the gig! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 13:25:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11193; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804805@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: slightly OT: cables Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C183FE.7D31C4B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C183FE.7D31C4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" another vote for george l cable. musicians friend had a pretty good deal on the pedal board kit a while back. a nice savings over the list. might still be worth checking out. sadly, to my knowledge, they don't so stereo cables. stig -----Original Message----- From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:dlawren@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables A while back, I would have said no ... but I used George L's solderless cables on my pedalboard recently and I really did notice a slight difference ... and I don't mean like Eric Johnson superhuman undetectable to the typical human ear type hearing either ... just less noise. But, I do not see any way to justify spending Monster Cable prices for cables ... 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another vote for george l cable. musicians friend had a p= retty good deal on the pedal board kit a while back. a nice savings over th= e list. might still be worth checking out. sadly, to my knowledge, they don= 't so stereo cables.

stig

-----Original Message-----
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A while back, I would have said no ... but I used George = L's solderless
cables on my pedalboard recently and I really did notice= a slight difference
... and I don't mean like Eric Johnson superhuman undete= ctable to the
typical human ear type hearing either ... just less nois= e.

But, I do not see any way to justify spending Monster Cab= le prices for
cables ...




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C183FE.7D31C4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 13:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09744; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:55:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:55:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: CD Cases Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:46:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 17:46:28.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[17F1A9D0:01C183FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the help/advice on CD cases. I used to buy them at CompUSA on Market Street (in SF), but they doubled the prices within the last year (from $3 to $6 for a package of 10). Also, they carry a lot more slimline cases than regular jewel cases, and they don't have the clear ones. (Occasionally, they have a great deal on generic blank 74 minute CD-R's - 50 for $20!) That website that Lance sent looks like it's quite useful. (I don't have the URL with me at the moment.) They have all sorts of CD storage and blank media, and the prices look very good. Much better than the website I was ordering from! On another note, I ordered 100 black CD jewel cases last year from Neato.com. In the shipment, the hinges were already broken on approximately 25 of them when they arrived. I know jewel cases are delicate, but I had hoped they would've packaged them to accomodate for that. Matt _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 13:53:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13304; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:24:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YO Nemoguitt! You might try to find a used Digitech IPS33B, or its later fancier brother called the DHP55, I believe. Those were the last instrument related harmonizers that Digitech put out befor going completely into the vocal processor market. I used the IPS33B for years, and though it does'nt sound as good as an Eventide (what does?) it is a very powerfull intelligent harmonizer capable of adding two diatonic harmonious to your note and even the ability to create your own harmony assignments. Counterpoint anyone? The DHP55 allowed for two additional harmonies and better specs. Just think. its as if Skynrd added yet another guitar player. You can pick these up on e-bay for not too many bones. I can give you more details if you like about the IPS33B's performance. Caution, there is an earlier model called the IPS33, with no B at the end. This is an inferior sounding unit with less features and a numerical LCD display only. Stay clear of this one if you can. Happy Hunting' Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 14:00:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13789; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:35:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:35:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011213182827.43545.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0zbZa.A.vRD.yNPG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as guitar, the roland vg-8 virtual guitar system will do intelligent pitch shifting. You can even define unique harmonies per note that don't match a specific scale. That is, you can arbitrarily assign any harmony note to any input note. bret --- Peter Underwood wrote: > Simple definition: > Intelligent pitch-shifting is when your pitch-shifting device can > harmonize > to the musical scale (not just the notes) of the progression you are > playing. > > > >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: intelligent pitch shift > >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:08:29 EST > > > >what is this?.....and the only box that can do it is the eventide > billion > >dollar thingie.....i think just about every box i have does some > sort of > >"pitch shifting" and when i smack them all together they cause a big > >noise.....intelligent? i dont know, thats why i ask, what is > ips.....:)m > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 14:06:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14380; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:41:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:41:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011601c183ac$7f5dc5b0$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:38:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it true that Eric Johnson consulted the mysterious indian ruins at Chaco Canyon to determine how he should arrange his pedal board? But seriously, I love George L cable's and have been using them for years, however I don't recommend them for long cable runs or high abuse situations. I'm not sure who besides Marshall Electronics (not the amp or mike maker) distributes Canare cable but you owe it to yourself to source out this superior sounding Japanese cable. I can investigate if anyone is interested. Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 16:11:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26007; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:45:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:37:51 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: CV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody really think this is off topic? i would like to hear about your use of cv. i have a paia 8 channel midi to cv converter i am using to control my moogerfoogers (analog delay and ring modulator) from two control pedals connected to a rocktron allaccess. i modded the moogerfooger pedals to work with the rocktron, but i would prefer to use ernie balls. the problem is that they don't have a linear taper model. i have considered trying out some different pots, but the setup is pretty difficult... i have found that midi continuous controllers don't have enough resolution for some things (ex. oscillator frequency over more than an octave) >... > Tap me off or on list if you'd like to know about how I apply these pedals. > Also would like to know how you are utilzing cv control in your rig. > > >thanks. > >your in ignorance, > blissful no? > >stig > Pedro Felix - NYC 2001 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 16:50:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30127; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:26:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cf01c1841b$d07f9490$8983abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:09:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allan wrote: > My TC G-Force is awful at intelligent pitch shifting as well. (Same goes > for the FireworX.) Makes me wonder why a manufacturer would include a > feature so bad in a box that costs so much. However, the single and dual > fixed pitch shifting is pretty good. Someday I will need to take out a > second mortgage on the house so I can buy an Eventide. :-( I have both Fireworx and Eventide I can say Fireworx is great to destroy (in a positive sense) loops. Its pitch transposing isn't great at all, it's more like that kind of "analog" pitch you find in some pedals. But imho pitch transposing isn't eveytime for perfectly emulate the sound at a different pitch, sometimes it's ok to make it just something else. my two 0,002 cents Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 16:53:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29999; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:26:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:26:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c1841b$ccd9e520$8983abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804801@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: dumb question Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:04:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C18422.1DF9CFF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da pių parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C18422.1DF9CFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dumb questionStig wrote: >can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as a cv pedal? if not, = what does?=20 I think yes, but I couldn't make it control all the midi range. I bought some cheap Bespeco pedals and changed their potentiometers = with 100Kohms now they reach 99,7% of the midi range Luca=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C18422.1DF9CFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dumb question

Stig wrote:

>can someone tell me if a boss ev-5 qualifies as = a cv=20 pedal? if not, what does?

I think yes, but I couldn't make = it control=20 all the midi range.

I bought some cheap Bespeco pedals and = changed=20 their potentiometers with 100Kohms

now they reach 99,7% of the midi = range

Luca 

------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C18422.1DF9CFF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 17:11:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31155; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:46:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <130.62365af.294a7a16@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:39:34 EST Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_130.62365af.294a7a16_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_130.62365af.294a7a16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/01 1:23:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: > Happy Hunting' > thanks bill.....:)m --part1_130.62365af.294a7a16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/01 1:23:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, chillyb@cruzio.com writes:


Happy Hunting'


thanks bill.....:)m
--part1_130.62365af.294a7a16_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 17:50:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02316; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:25:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:25:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:10:24 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CV In-reply-to: <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:37 PM -0600 12/13/01, jim palmer wrote: >anybody really think this is off topic? >i would like to hear about your use of cv. Back in the early 1980s I was touring with the singer Diamanda Galas, performing in quad with backing tapes and live effects processing. I had a pair of DDLs, a Harmonizer, and a digital reverb at the mixing console, and she sang into a collection of mics that were routed variously to the quad system and to the processors. Since she wasn't too thrilled to surrender all control over the effects processing to me, we started developing ways for her to control the levels of the effects returns. At first we did this with just the reverb, by sending the reverb output signal down the microphone snake to the stage, through a pedal, and back to the mixer. This was problematic due to degradation of the signal and pickup of noise, so we had a VCA box made. This meant that just the supply voltage went down the snake, through the pedal, and back. No noise problems. Unfortunately this device wasn't too road-worthy, so when it came time to replace it we did a deluxe version. I approached SMS, a synthesizer company in San Francisco known for their high-quality analog modules (As Chris Muir liked to say, "SMS - When you don't care how much it costs"). Using their 6-channel VCA circuit as a basis, we designed a 12-channel VCA array in a solid, 2-rack box, along with a small remote that could be mounted on a microphone stand and operated by Diamanda as she performed. The remote had six knobs and six momentary buttons, each of which controlled a separate control voltage signal. As in the prior device, the common source voltage was sent up the mic snake, where it was split into twelve branches that were scaled or gated and then returned through the snake to the VCA box. This meant that 1 + 12 = 13 control voltages were routed through the snake, and we used seven channels of the snake for this purpose. The VCA box and remote each had a short multi-cable with seven XLR connectors on the end, so the connections were both robust and standard, AND we didn't have to schlep our own proprietary snake around on tour. The VCA box also had some nifty features such as manual override, LED displays of the current CV levels, and very flexible patching of the control voltages (which allowed ganging together of multiple channels and inverse control inputs to allow crossfading). The system worked flawlessly most of the time. The two notable exceptions came during what was perhaps our most over-the-top gig, in London during the winter of '85. We'd been performing throughout Holland and in Rome without a problem, but when we got to the venue in Deptford the VCA box simply did not work. Naturally I had no schematics, nor did I have much skill as a repair tech, but I popped the lid and peered inside. I didn't see anything obviously burnt out or flopping around loose, but I did notice a single IC, all alone on a daughter board sitting above the main VCA cards. "Hmmm" I thought, but closed up the unit in momentary despair. Fortunately the venue was within a quarter mile of one of the primary electronics repair shops used by major British bands, so we brought the box to them. Within an hour or two they had it working. Despite the lack of schematics, they had simply popped the lid, had seen the lonely IC, said "Hmmm," and and replaced it. The second problem came during the performance itself, a collaboration between Diamanda and the percussion ensemble Test Department (sort of left-wing political punk predecessors to Stomp). Acting on her usual premise that more is always better, the diva had rented an additional four effects processors and wanted eight microphones. I did manage to convince her that more open mics meant more feedback, especially in the sound field produced by five muscular skinheads pounding on oil drums with axe handles and whalloping a huge boiler suspended by chains, all of which junkyard instruments were also miked. We pared it down to the usual four mics and set up the remote to act as a crossfade controller for pairs of channels on the VCA box. This worked fine in principal, but the microphone stand we mounted the remote on turned out to be a very flimsy boom stand and the boom (with remote) went flopping over in the middle of the performance. This was especially hilarious because Test Department's record company Some Bizzare [sic] had rented a remote truck to do a multichannel recording intended for album release. The subsequent mix session is an epic tale unto itself, but suffice to say the performance was unsuitable for commercial release. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 18:41:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07445; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:15:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:15:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1842b$0a56b7c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: CV Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:08:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <_rFyzD.A.7tB.lUTG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow- cool story- thanks- some serious tech creation- would be interested in hearing the results- thanks for writing. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: CV > At 2:37 PM -0600 12/13/01, jim palmer wrote: > >anybody really think this is off topic? > >i would like to hear about your use of cv. > > Back in the early 1980s I was touring with the singer Diamanda Galas, > performing in quad with backing tapes and live effects processing. I > had a pair of DDLs, a Harmonizer, and a digital reverb at the mixing > console, and she sang into a collection of mics that were routed > variously to the quad system and to the processors. > > Since she wasn't too thrilled to surrender all control over the > effects processing to me, we started developing ways for her to > control the levels of the effects returns. At first we did this with > just the reverb, by sending the reverb output signal down the > microphone snake to the stage, through a pedal, and back to the > mixer. This was problematic due to degradation of the signal and > pickup of noise, so we had a VCA box made. This meant that just the > supply voltage went down the snake, through the pedal, and back. No > noise problems. Unfortunately this device wasn't too road-worthy, so > when it came time to replace it we did a deluxe version. > > I approached SMS, a synthesizer company in San Francisco known for > their high-quality analog modules (As Chris Muir liked to say, "SMS - > When you don't care how much it costs"). Using their 6-channel VCA > circuit as a basis, we designed a 12-channel VCA array in a solid, > 2-rack box, along with a small remote that could be mounted on a > microphone stand and operated by Diamanda as she performed. The > remote had six knobs and six momentary buttons, each of which > controlled a separate control voltage signal. As in the prior device, > the common source voltage was sent up the mic snake, where it was > split into twelve branches that were scaled or gated and then > returned through the snake to the VCA box. This meant that 1 + 12 = > 13 control voltages were routed through the snake, and we used seven > channels of the snake for this purpose. The VCA box and remote each > had a short multi-cable with seven XLR connectors on the end, so the > connections were both robust and standard, AND we didn't have to > schlep our own proprietary snake around on tour. The VCA box also had > some nifty features such as manual override, LED displays of the > current CV levels, and very flexible patching of the control voltages > (which allowed ganging together of multiple channels and inverse > control inputs to allow crossfading). > > The system worked flawlessly most of the time. The two notable > exceptions came during what was perhaps our most over-the-top gig, in > London during the winter of '85. We'd been performing throughout > Holland and in Rome without a problem, but when we got to the venue > in Deptford the VCA box simply did not work. Naturally I had no > schematics, nor did I have much skill as a repair tech, but I popped > the lid and peered inside. I didn't see anything obviously burnt out > or flopping around loose, but I did notice a single IC, all alone on > a daughter board sitting above the main VCA cards. "Hmmm" I thought, > but closed up the unit in momentary despair. Fortunately the venue > was within a quarter mile of one of the primary electronics repair > shops used by major British bands, so we brought the box to them. > Within an hour or two they had it working. Despite the lack of > schematics, they had simply popped the lid, had seen the lonely IC, > said "Hmmm," and and replaced it. > > The second problem came during the performance itself, a > collaboration between Diamanda and the percussion ensemble Test > Department (sort of left-wing political punk predecessors to Stomp). > Acting on her usual premise that more is always better, the diva had > rented an additional four effects processors and wanted eight > microphones. I did manage to convince her that more open mics meant > more feedback, especially in the sound field produced by five > muscular skinheads pounding on oil drums with axe handles and > whalloping a huge boiler suspended by chains, all of which junkyard > instruments were also miked. We pared it down to the usual four mics > and set up the remote to act as a crossfade controller for pairs of > channels on the VCA box. This worked fine in principal, but the > microphone stand we mounted the remote on turned out to be a very > flimsy boom stand and the boom (with remote) went flopping over in > the middle of the performance. This was especially hilarious because > Test Department's record company Some Bizzare [sic] had rented a > remote truck to do a multichannel recording intended for album > release. The subsequent mix session is an epic tale unto itself, but > suffice to say the performance was unsuitable for commercial release. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 19:08:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09216; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:43:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:36:23 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: CV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d001c1842e$f9ae8250$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe what you had that time was UCV... (uncontrol voltage) >... > release. The subsequent mix session is an epic tale unto itself, but > suffice to say the performance was unsuitable for commercial release. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 19:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11703; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:07:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:07:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1940F2.986A35D7@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:59:46 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: CV References: <200112132250.RAA03848@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: jim palmer From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim- If you want to use Ernie Ball pedals, I can walk you through the procedure for taking them apart and putting them back together again. The secret is to have two crochet hooks handy for dealing with the drive string. The rest is just standard three-handed assembly. We use a TOCOS pot on our current models: http://www.tocos.com/pcsg/RVQ20N2_RVQ24YN03_RV24YN04_P10.htm RVQ24YN04 should do the trick; the resistance shouldn't matter for a CV pedal. Go with the slot end, 20mm long shaft. We actually use a 27mm long shaft, but we know this guy.... If you flip the brass pulley end-for-end, a 20mm shaft should work just fine. Let me know if you need more info. -Hans hans@ernieball.com > Subject: Re: CV > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:37:51 -0600 > From: jim palmer > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > anybody really think this is off topic? > i would like to hear about your use of cv. > > i have a paia 8 channel midi to cv converter i am using > to control my moogerfoogers (analog delay and ring modulator) > from two control pedals connected to a rocktron allaccess. > i modded the moogerfooger pedals to work with the rocktron, > but i would prefer to use ernie balls. the problem is that they don't > have a linear taper model. i have considered trying out some > different pots, but the setup is pretty difficult... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 19:46:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12338; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:16:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:16:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:01:26 -0800 Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/13/01 10:38 AM, William R. Walker, at chillyb@cruzio.com wrote: >I'm not sure > who besides Marshall Electronics (not the amp or mike maker) distributes > Canare cable ----Markertek (markertek.com) has canare & mogami cable, Neutrik & switchcraft connectors. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 20:59:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17115; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:33:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1954B5.DB271BD0@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:24:05 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CV References: <00fa01c18437$a8481ad0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: jim palmer From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Loopers Delight Resent-Message-ID: <5tPSDD.A.IHE.tVVG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're using a pedal more than about three or four years old you'll either need a pot with a 1/4" shaft, or else you can get a rebuild kit through your Ernie Ball dealer which includes everything you'll need to convert to metric (including an audio taper pot). The volume pedal guru here recommends a Clarostat 2W linear pot from Jameco Electronics (www.jameco.com) if you have an inch model. Take your pick: https://www.jameco.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/Jameco/home.d2w/report?cgrfnbr=686&ctgys=503;518;686; If you still want a TOCOS pot, check the dealer locator on the TOCOS website. Call your local rep, and they should be able to put you in touch with somebody who can get it for you if they can't (or won't) sell direct. I have one of those Moogerfooger CV pedals, and I can see why you might want something more robust. Unfortunately, Ernie Ball don't have plans to go into production on a dedicated CV pedal at this time. Who uses analog gear these days anyhow? ;^) I do. You do. Many others on the LD list do. What kind of market do you think there would be for a +5V CV pedal? Let me know when you're ready to do the hack, and I'll walk you through it off-list. I've copied this message to LD in case anyone else is interested. -Hans jim palmer wrote: > > yes i would like to know how to handle that string... > > i have one of the older models and i replaced the pot > in it several years ago, but never got it setup right. > i think i need to replace the string in it as well... > > i went looking for a place to buy the pot you suggested and have > come up short. do you know of a distributor that has it and > will sell in small quantities? > > thanks much! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 21:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19705; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:01:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:01:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.1ff5cfe5.294ab5ab@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:53:47 EST Subject: Trans Trem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody know where to buy them? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 21:46:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20933; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011214021445.40531.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: I have to do it again...T-Shirts: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C17EBBF.9E827CA3@cabq.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any deadline? i am interested but expect to be poor until i get paid next week. Aaron --- Jason Fink wrote: > Greetings Folks, > > Because the USPS has failed to make a delivery in > Italy, > I am forced to reprint 2 Looper shirts. Since its > not the > printers fault this time, he isnt very happy > about > the prospect of doing a run of only 2 shirts. > > Therefore I am taking orders for anyone who might > have had regrets about not ordering one before. > > The ordering info is still at the loopers delight > page: > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/shirts/shirt-0ct2001.html > But Kim may be taking it down soon... Or contact > me (off-list). > > If you are interested, it will really help us out. > If I can get > an order for 10 shirts, the printer will honor the > previous > pricing. > > Thanks guys! > > -jas (dimmo@dimbulb.org) > Albuquerque > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 21:50:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21346; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:25:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:25:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c18445$c34d08a0$06075cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:19:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell >If you decide to buy Hosa, you might consider ordering >from Lentine's. Damn, John. Are you living in the Greater Cleveland area? Where abouts? I grew up in University Heights and I get to Chagrin Falls, Chesterland, and Cleveland Heights a few times per year. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 21:50:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21183; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:24:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:24:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011214021739.42729.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: ebow w/ baritone guitar To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious about string spacing and heaviness of strings affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. Thanks. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 21:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21524; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c18445$f5d0db80$06075cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:20:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Allen unsubscribe =============== I guess Tim needs to get to the set of his next movie! :-) Foxy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 22:22:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23321; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:58:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:58:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:52:10 -0500 Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011214021739.42729.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a Bass Ebow for a brief time...) and i've used it on an old fender bass VI and it works fine. you just have to get real close to the string and manually position the ebow without letting it rest on the strings. peace monk on 12/13/01 9:17 PM, Aaron Schindler at aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com wrote: > Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am > pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious > about string spacing and heaviness of strings > affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. > Thanks. > Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 22:53:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25893; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c18467$56cf2b00$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: References: <20011214021739.42729.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:19:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com get it you won't regret it. very good if you want to fill in as a bassist and 2nd guitarrist at the same time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Schindler" To: "looper list" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: ebow w/ baritone guitar > Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am > pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious > about string spacing and heaviness of strings > affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. > Thanks. > Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 22:54:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26068; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:29:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:29:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.85.209] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:22:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2001 03:22:23.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C1EF880:01C1844E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am >pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious >about string spacing and heaviness of strings >affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. >Thanks. >Aaron Works great on an instrument with even wider spacing and heavier strings than a baritone guitar - a bass guitar. :) I'm not Michael Manring, but I really didn't have much trouble. The only concern might be that the grooves of the E-Bow are optimally designed for regular guitar string spacing - and only for fast arpeggios at that, but it should be a very minor one. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 23:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26871; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:42:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:42:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <164.59bfc94.294acd78@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:35:20 EST Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aaron, In a message dated 12/13/01 6:19:57 PM, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: >Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am >pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious >about string spacing and heaviness of strings >affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. There is no problem using an ebow and my Dano Baritone. The strings just aren't that much heavier (14, 18, 26, 44, 56, 68). And, in fact, the Ebow seems to actually work better on the slightly heavier strings. Also, the spacing on the Danelectro in not much different from their regular guitars. As for other brands of baritone guitar, I have no idea. Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 07:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29803; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:10:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:10:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: TomHeasley@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:02:57 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.1e686c1f.294b4471_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ce.1e686c1f.294b4471_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_ce.1e686c1f.294b4471_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_ce.1e686c1f.294b4471_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 08:01:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31171; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:36:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:36:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c1849b$06dd2c80$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <20011214021739.42729.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:29:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Schindler" > Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am > pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious > about string spacing and heaviness of strings > affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. I'd think it'd be a little more difficult, but not dramatically so to use an ebow on a baritone. I quite effectively use my e-bow on the g-string of my basses. Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 08:09:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31654; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:44:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <897EEFCFE1DDD211B1F200105AF236E7CA187B@ThisAddressDoesNotExist> From: Glyn Merga To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:37:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe NOTICE: This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be confidential. 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All cases are treated with confidentiality to all parties by entrusted professional staff. mailto:administrator@torotrak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 08:15:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31993; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:50:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:50:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C199165.4894B137@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:43:05 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trans Trem References: <1e.1ff5cfe5.294ab5ab@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://edroman.com/ he charges alot, though. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 09:22:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04927; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:49:09 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mr monk wrote: > lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a > Bass Ebow for a brief time...) Did the Bass Ebow actually make it into production? I remember an ad in Guitar Player saying they'd hired Boz from Bad Company as a consultant for a planned Bass Ebow, but I never heard that it made it to market. Somewhere I heard that they ran into a problem with the string spacing on bass guitars not being as standardized as on six strings so they couldn't get a good spacing for the guide channels. Does anyone here actually own a Bass Ebow? Do you want to sell it? (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 09:38:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06881; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:05:34 -0500 Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Daniel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c18467$56cf2b00$23719818@default> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had my eye out for a bari guitar for awhile, but haven't actually seen one anywhere. Anyone know where I can find some online to check 'em out? thanks, mike on 12/14/01 1.19 AM, Daniel at daniel_c@vtr.net said somethin' like: > get it > you won't regret it. very good if you want to fill in as a bassist and 2nd > guitarrist at the same time > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aaron Schindler" > To: "looper list" > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: ebow w/ baritone guitar > > >> Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am >> pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious >> about string spacing and heaviness of strings >> affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. >> Thanks. >> Aaron >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of >> your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com >> or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com >> >> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 09:45:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07256; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:19:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:19:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:11:48 EST Subject: Re: Trans Trem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bobdog@pseudobuddha.com writes: >http://edroman.com/ >he charges alot, though. yeah..... ridiculous, even. rather call gibson, or musicyo, or lorenzo german (of klein electric gtrs). best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 09:45:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07456; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:20:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:20:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:19 EST Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: >Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am >pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious >about string spacing and heaviness of strings >affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. works fine, here --- my bari has standard strat. string-spacing, though. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 09:59:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08252; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:26:31 -0500 Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Mike Feeney , Daniel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com suppose I should have specified: ACOUSTIC baritone? =) mike on 12/14/01 9.05 AM, Mike Feeney at feeneymike@yahoo.com said somethin' like: > > > I've had my eye out for a bari guitar for awhile, but haven't actually > seen one anywhere. Anyone know where I can find some online to check 'em > out? > > thanks, > mike > > > > on 12/14/01 1.19 AM, Daniel at daniel_c@vtr.net said somethin' like: > >> get it >> you won't regret it. very good if you want to fill in as a bassist and 2nd >> guitarrist at the same time >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aaron Schindler" >> To: "looper list" >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:17 PM >> Subject: ebow w/ baritone guitar >> >> >>> Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am >>> pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious >>> about string spacing and heaviness of strings >>> affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. >>> Thanks. >>> Aaron >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of >>> your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com >>> or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com >>> >>> > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 10:14:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09483; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:49:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011214093746.00807560@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:37:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar In-Reply-To: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of years ago, I e-mailed the eBow people asking if they'd ever thought about putting out a Bass eBow, and was told they'd considered it, but had never felt the potential demand warranted the costs associated with the tooling and design since existing eBows actually do work with bass already. I think I posted their reply to the list (this would have been circa early-mid '99 or thereabouts)... -t- At 08:49 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >mr monk wrote: > >> lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a >> Bass Ebow for a brief time...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 10:52:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12990; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:26:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:26:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c184b2$9568c100$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:17:59 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "John McIntyre" put forth: > mr monk wrote: > > > lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a > > Bass Ebow for a brief time...) > > Did the Bass Ebow actually make it into production? I remember an ad in Guitar > Player saying they'd hired Boz from Bad Company as a consultant for a planned > Bass Ebow, but I never heard that it made it to market. Somewhere I heard that > they ran into a problem with the string spacing on bass guitars not being as > standardized as on six strings so they couldn't get a good spacing for the guide > channels. > > Does anyone here actually own a Bass Ebow? > > Do you want to sell it? (-8 I believe Steve Lawson has a bass E-Bow, or he's changed the red LED to a blue one. S. P. Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Hidden_Track - Cartoons and Illustrations! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 11:00:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13710; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011214102413.00811210@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:24:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Veillette-Citron makes several beautiful acoustic/electric baris , Lowden makes 'em (or at least they DID; I'm not sure if they currently have one), and there's the Alvarez AB2SB (discontinued and replaced by the Yairi YB-1...) -t- At 09:26 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > suppose I should have specified: ACOUSTIC baritone? =) > > mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 11:05:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14027; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:32:39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2001 15:32:39.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[905B5950:01C184B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I own a black ebow with a red light, the first reissue and a newer one which is grey with a blue light. The newer ebow's on/off switch allows for the old style pitch or flip the switch and get the harmonic. It's very cool. A friend of mine found an old silver ebow at a garage sale last year for $10.00, what a deal, it works perfectly. I bought the newer ebow when the lid on the other broke. I emailed ebow and they sent me a new lid. What a great company! Both ebows work on guitar or bass. They are a little odd on the Vox 12 string but still adaptable. Weg From: "Stephen P. Goodman" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:17:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDE364ED00CC40042A12CFE4EE0909280; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:25:39 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12632;Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:19:08 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:26:34 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:19:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c184b2$9568c100$0201a8c0@stephen> References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "John McIntyre" put forth: > mr monk wrote: > > > lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a > > Bass Ebow for a brief time...) > > Did the Bass Ebow actually make it into production? I remember an ad in Guitar > Player saying they'd hired Boz from Bad Company as a consultant for a planned > Bass Ebow, but I never heard that it made it to market. Somewhere I heard that > they ran into a problem with the string spacing on bass guitars not being as > standardized as on six strings so they couldn't get a good spacing for the guide > channels. > > Does anyone here actually own a Bass Ebow? > > Do you want to sell it? (-8 I believe Steve Lawson has a bass E-Bow, or he's changed the red LED to a blue one. S. P. Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Hidden_Track - Cartoons and Illustrations! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 11:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14234; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c184b5$0694da10$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> <001b01c184b2$9568c100$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:35:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > I believe Steve Lawson has a bass E-Bow, or he's changed the red LED to a > blue one. My E-bow isn't a bass unit, but has the blue LED. Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 11:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14522; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011214103443.00816980@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:34:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011214093746.00807560@pop.metrocast.net> References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ooops; I confused eBow's actual reply with second-hand info someone else had gotten from them around the same time and relayed to me. Here's what they actually told me: I asked: >Would it be commercially viable for you guys to issue a >larger, more powerful BASS EBow? You know, one where the spacing is correct >for bass strings so we won't have to keep doing the balancing act you >describe in your FAQ section. And their two word reply was: >Some day. At 09:37 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >A couple of years ago, I e-mailed the eBow people asking if they'd ever >thought about putting out a Bass eBow, and was told they'd considered it, >but had never felt the potential demand warranted the costs associated with >the tooling and design since existing eBows actually do work with bass >already. I think I posted their reply to the list (this would have been >circa early-mid '99 or thereabouts)... > >-t- > >At 08:49 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >>mr monk wrote: >> >>> lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a >>> Bass Ebow for a brief time...) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 11:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14932; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:51:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:51:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011214104047.00819a90@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:40:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar In-Reply-To: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:49 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >Did the Bass Ebow actually make it into production? Looking back over old e-mails, it seems that our very own BobDog (of Pseudobuddha fame), having seen those same ads in GP, asked eBow about it and was told that there HAD been a bass version, but that they'd only made six of them. Collectors' item? -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 11:33:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17195; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:07:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:07:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:00:40 -0500 Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011214103443.00816980@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow. i have an old guitar player magazine with an ad for the bass ebow in it...wild.... on 12/14/01 10:34 AM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > Ooops; I confused eBow's actual reply with second-hand info someone else > had gotten from them around the same time and relayed to me. Here's what > they actually told me: > > I asked: >Would it be commercially viable for you guys to issue a >> larger, more powerful BASS EBow? You know, one where the spacing is correct >> for bass strings so we won't have to keep doing the balancing act you >> describe in your FAQ section. > > And their two word reply was: >Some day. > > > At 09:37 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >> A couple of years ago, I e-mailed the eBow people asking if they'd ever >> thought about putting out a Bass eBow, and was told they'd considered it, >> but had never felt the potential demand warranted the costs associated with >> the tooling and design since existing eBows actually do work with bass >> already. I think I posted their reply to the list (this would have been >> circa early-mid '99 or thereabouts)... >> >> -t- >> >> At 08:49 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >>> mr monk wrote: >>> >>>> lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a >>>> Bass Ebow for a brief time...) >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 12:03:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19333; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010e01c184bc$a9a27940$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:30:36 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <01s0YB.A.XoE.VliG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So THAT'S what it was! And I thought that they'd always been just black. > Hi all, > I own a black ebow with a red light, the first reissue and a newer one > which is grey with a blue light. The newer ebow's on/off switch allows for > the old style pitch or flip the switch and get the harmonic. > It's very cool. A friend of mine found an old silver ebow at a garage sale > last year for $10.00, what a deal, it works perfectly. I bought the newer > ebow when the lid on the other broke. I emailed ebow and they sent me a new > lid. What a great company! Both ebows work on guitar or bass. They are a > little odd on the Vox 12 string but still adaptable. > > Weg > > > From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: > Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:17:59 -0000 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > MHotMailBDE364ED00CC40042A12CFE4EE0909280; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:25:39 -0800 > Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > KAA12632;Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:19:08 -0500 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:26:34 > -0800 > Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:19:08 -0500 > Old-Return-Path: > Message-ID: <001b01c184b2$9568c100$0201a8c0@stephen> > References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> > Organization: EarthLight Productions > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Resent-Message-ID: > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14622 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > "John McIntyre" put forth: > > mr monk wrote: > > > > > lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even > made > a > > > Bass Ebow for a brief time...) > > > > Did the Bass Ebow actually make it into production? I remember an ad in > Guitar > > Player saying they'd hired Boz from Bad Company as a consultant for a > planned > > Bass Ebow, but I never heard that it made it to market. Somewhere I > heard > that > > they ran into a problem with the string spacing on bass guitars not being > as > > standardized as on six strings so they couldn't get a good spacing for > the > guide > > channels. > > > > Does anyone here actually own a Bass Ebow? > > > > Do you want to sell it? (-8 > > I believe Steve Lawson has a bass E-Bow, or he's changed the red LED to a > blue one. > > S. P. Goodman > * > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! > http://www.earthlight.net/Hidden_Track - Cartoons and Illustrations! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 12:12:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19845; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:47:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:47:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015401c184be$50309b60$852df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:41:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > lots of folks (including me) have used the ebow on bass ( they even made a > > Bass Ebow for a brief time...) > > Did the Bass Ebow actually make it into production? I remember an ad in Guitar > Player saying they'd hired Boz from Bad Company as a consultant for a planned > Bass Ebow, but I never heard that it made it to market. Somewhere I heard that > they ran into a problem with the string spacing on bass guitars not being as > standardized as on six strings so they couldn't get a good spacing for the guide > channels. > > Does anyone here actually own a Bass Ebow? To be honest, I've never understood the calls for a 'bass ebow' - what do you want it to do differently from the real EBow? The Ebow as it stands now is PERFECT for bass! It doesn't do what it does on a guitar, but for me, what it does do is far more useful. I'm guessing that's why there's no such thing as a bass ebow - the real one is already a bass ebow (especially the Ebow +) The guide channels work just fine for bass - you just don't sit it on the strings in quite the same way... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 12:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21792; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:44:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: CV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Back in the early 1980s I was touring with the singer Diamanda Galas, lack of >The second problem came during the performance itself, a >collaboration between Diamanda and the percussion ensemble Test >Department (sort of left-wing political punk predecessors to Stomp). Richard, thanks for the cool story and techno gadgetry! wow, playing with Test Department circa '85...at that time they were one of my absolute faves. "the unacceptable face of freedom" remains in my cd collection and is still played...awesome record. predecessors to stomp? hahahaha...you're being generous...to stomp, that is. just my humble opinion. Diamanda scared me too much around that time, i must confess, and i never really looked into her work, with the exception of a great track she did on Barry Adamson's "Moss Side Story"....track 1 (and the scariest track on the record) go figure. anyways, thanks! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 12:38:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22766; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:13:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:13:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: RE: CD Cases Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:06:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2001 17:06:03.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CCEAEF0:01C184C1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt, I saw several boxes 'slim-line' clear cd cases in Virgin megastre on market st Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: RE: CD Cases > Thanks for the help/advice on CD cases. > > I used to buy them at CompUSA on Market Street (in SF), but they doubled the > prices within the last year (from $3 to $6 for a package of 10). Also, they > carry a lot more slimline cases than regular jewel cases, and they don't > have the clear ones. (Occasionally, they have a great deal on generic blank > 74 minute CD-R's - 50 for $20!) > > That website that Lance sent looks like it's quite useful. (I don't have the > URL with me at the moment.) They have all sorts of CD storage and blank > media, and the prices look very good. Much better than the website I was > ordering from! > > On another note, I ordered 100 black CD jewel cases last year from > Neato.com. In the shipment, the hinges were already broken on approximately > 25 of them when they arrived. I know jewel cases are delicate, but I had > hoped they would've packaged them to accomodate for that. > > Matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 13:02:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24147; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:37:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:25:01 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CV OT Test Department In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:44 AM -0800 12/14/01, rich wrote: >Richard, thanks for the cool story and techno gadgetry! wow, >playing with Test Department circa '85...at that time they were one >of my absolute faves. "the unacceptable face of freedom" remains in >my cd collection and is still played...awesome record. As a fan of Test Department you may appreciate knowing that they were a really great group of guys. I was in London for two weeks, staying at Some Bizzare founder Stevo's house, and I spent a good deal of time with Angus and the rest of the group. If you're interested, I can relate the story of the night the burglar alarm went off while we were alone in Stevo's house. >Diamanda scared me too much around that time, i must confess She scares a lot of people, especially former boyfriends and certain impressarios. I met her in 1978, lived with her briefly in '80, and worked with her until '85. I produced the backing tapes for a couple of pieces (heavy loopage on Panoptikon), and did two records. We toured in North America and Europe 1982-85. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 13:07:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24562; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:42:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:42:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1A37F7.588F77A7@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:33:43 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> <001b01c184b2$9568c100$0201a8c0@stephen> <004c01c184b5$0694da10$1b86893e@simes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0o0at.A.d3F.nhjG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One must clearly be aware that the Ebow with the blue led sounds dramaticly more digital than the red one (more analog and warm to me) if you don't hear the difference then it really doesn't matter for you which one you use bit tired tonight Claude Simon Kean wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > > > I believe Steve Lawson has a bass E-Bow, or he's changed the red LED to a > > blue one. > > My E-bow isn't a bass unit, but has the blue LED. > > Simon Kean > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming > Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 13:21:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25357; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200112141748.fBEHmcx11258@chmls20.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:44:47 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: CV To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA24872 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another, often overlooked source of cv is a headphone out (reciever, mixing board, microcassette, etc)...line level is generally too low to run a cv, but the headphone amp can almost always do the job (i like the headphone out of the tv myself, as you can see/hear the relationship between the lips moving and the mod. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 13:29:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27140; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:04:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:04:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "g716" To: Subject: RE: ebow w/ baritone guitar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:18 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C040889FA@red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011214021739.42729.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2001 17:56:19.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[A27162B0:01C184C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I say go for it. I've used it on acoustic and even mucked with it on a bass once. It may not have the same repsonse as the B string on a standard guitar, but surely wouldn't bee too different than any of the wound strings. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Schindler [mailto:aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:18 PM To: looper list Subject: ebow w/ baritone guitar Has anyone used an ebow on a baritone guitar? I am pondering the purchase of a baritone but am curious about string spacing and heaviness of strings affecting my ability to use an ebow on it. Thanks. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 13:30:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27376; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011214095200.01f541d8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:57:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: re[2]: CV In-Reply-To: <200112141748.fBEHmcx11258@chmls20.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2001 17:58:05.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[E197C470:01C184C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dean Stiglitz (09:44 AM 12.14.2001) wrote: >another, often overlooked source of cv is a headphone out (reciever, mixing >board, microcassette, etc)...line level is generally too low to run a cv, >but the headphone amp can almost always do the job (i like the headphone out >of the tv myself, as you can see/hear the relationship between the lips >moving and the mod. Be careful about overloading the amp... Driving a DC circuit like that can put a decent load on the amp. In college (1979), we used to run an oscillator from a modular synth, run it straight into a large power amp, then run the speaker outputs straight into the (110v) AC motor that was driving the capstan on a tape deck. Playing a note on the modular's keyboard changed the frequency of the oscillator, which changed the speed of the capstan motor, which changed the pitch of what was recorded on the tape running through it. It worked, but that amp really didn't care much for it. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 14:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30021; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:44:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:44:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080481A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: total ot Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:35:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C184CE.1B002BD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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a query for the english brethren.

i'm wondering if any of you have heard of an effects manu= facturer in th uk by the name of chappertone  - - a guy named ben chap= man, i believe.

read a review of a pedal of his that sounds very interest= ing, but no web address or other info.

if any of you have info on the fellow, please let me know= .

thanks.

yours in gear lust,

stig



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C184CE.1B002BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 14:11:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29593; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:39:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:39:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011214132809.00813bf0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:28:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar In-Reply-To: <3C1A37F7.588F77A7@vtx.ch> References: <3C1A0354.6BE443DF@pa.msu.edu> <001b01c184b2$9568c100$0201a8c0@stephen> <004c01c184b5$0694da10$1b86893e@simes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9WY9c.A.jHH._WkG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My eBow is the black re-issue with the red LED; I was under the impression that the plus model (le bleu) has two modes, and that the non-harmonic-enhanced mode is exactly the same as the previous eBow. Isn't it? -t- At 06:33 PM 12/14/01 +0100, a tired Claude wrote: >One must clearly be aware that the Ebow with the blue led sounds >dramaticly more digital than the red one (more analog and warm to me) >if you don't hear the difference then it really doesn't matter for you >which one you use From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 14:13:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30332; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:48:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:41:13 -0500 Subject: noise makers for sale From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112141748.fBEHmcx11258@chmls20.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3RDz0D.A.gQH.wekG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cleaning out the closets: boss rps-10 (2 of) great for the adrian belew backwards sound (he has two of them) and intellectually challenged ptich shifting boss SG-1 slow gear. excellent condition. very rare. and sounds much better (and works better ) than the chessy version in the DL-4... electrix filter queen electrix filter factory alesis quadraverb alesis 3630 stereo compressor behringer autocom yamaha mv 802- cool little two rack space line mixer with leds and you can use a CV PEDAL!!!! behringer cybermix ( use it to automate your analog studio mixer (or if tony moore wants this back...he can have it...) make reasonable offers to me directly. buyer to pay actual shipping/boxing charges. monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 14:16:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30573; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:51:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:51:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:44:59 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift -- digitech units To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004101c184cf$6eca1a40$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a bass player and I'm looking to use the either the Digitech IPS33B or DHP55 just to get octave up/down ... possibly at the same time. Do they handle 2 octaves up? Will they do the trick? Also, anyone got any info on the Digitech BHM4 Bass Harmony Machine?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Walker," To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift > YO Nemoguitt! You might try to find a used Digitech IPS33B, or its later > fancier brother called the DHP55, I believe. Those were the last instrument > related harmonizers that Digitech put out befor going completely into the > vocal processor market. I used the IPS33B for years, and though it does'nt > sound as good as an Eventide (what does?) it is a very powerfull > intelligent harmonizer capable of adding two diatonic harmonious to your > note and even the ability to create your own harmony assignments. > Counterpoint anyone? The DHP55 allowed for two additional harmonies and > better specs. Just think. its as if Skynrd added yet another guitar player. > You can pick these up on e-bay for not too many bones. I can give you more > details if you like about the IPS33B's performance. Caution, there is an > earlier model called the IPS33, with no B at the end. This is an inferior > sounding unit with less features and a numerical LCD display only. Stay > clear of this one if you can. > Happy Hunting' > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 14:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00677; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:13:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:13:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011214190612.21464.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:06:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Handsonic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handsonic/ bret --- The Weg wrote: > Hi all! > I also have the Handsonic and wondered if there is a newsgroup or > similar > list as this for the Handsonic! Anyone know of one? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 15:10:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03455; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:45:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:45:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:33:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: total ot In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080481A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080481A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:35 PM -0500 12/14/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >a guy named ben chapman Didn't he play the Gill Man in the Creature from the Black Lagoon? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 15:25:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05634; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:00:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:00:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011214195032.26855.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: intelligent pitch shift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004101c184cf$6eca1a40$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote yesterday about the roland vg-8 pitch shift where you can assign any arbitrary harmony note to any input note (12 tones). I tried this feature last night (user set harmony). Yes, you can set it up with any arbitrary relationship of input to harmony note, It may be intelligent, but it isn't very accurate. It didn't work very well for me. :( I notice that if the harmony interval set for adjacent chromatic notes is not the same, or very close to being the same interval, then the accuracy of pitch shift on each unique semitone can be poor. The harmony note seems to be 'pulled' sharp or flat depending on the harmony intervals set to the adjacent semi tones. You can get some wild and unusual sounds, however. I rigged up an old damaged gk-2a pickup assembly so that I could run a moog synth directly into my vg-8. Running a random pitch sine wave into the vg-8 was pretty cool, you can really hear what each of the vg-8 models is doing in terms of distorting and processing the input sound. Playing random notes, while manualy randomizing the harmony produced as it plays was also pretty fun. I then ran a microphone into the vg-8. My voice sounded like violins, wow! More experiments to follow. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 15:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07752; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:23:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:23:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.123.169.229] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, rumori@detritus.net, ba-newmus-events@ella.mills.edu Subject: Tonight! Field Effects featuring Loren Chasse, Quiet American, Matt Davignon Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:10:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2001 20:10:52.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E2EF540:01C184DB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Field Effects: a night of beauty made by the world Friday, December 14 Door 8:00 pm, performance 8:30 pm sharp. $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- The world makes music, remember to listen. The world makes movies, remember to look. Field Effects offers a night of field recording based performance. Featuring sound artists: Loren Chasse (SF) http://www.23five.org/lchasse/ Tape Recorder (Oakland) Matt Davignon's tape-based project, samples available at: http://www.mp3.com/field_recordings/ Quiet American (SF) http://www.quietamerican.org And featuring projection by: Keith Evans (Oakland) of silt (projection ensemble) Carl Diehl (SF) Kinetic engineer travelling through time with a VCR. Richard Holland (Madison, WI) West coast premier of his stunning "tiny movies" http://www.ponderance.org/holland/TinyMoviesMenu.html Field Effects is a showcase of Bay Area artists interested in framing the hidden beauty of the everyday world. Beauty on the surface, awaiting our attention. Beauty that must be delicately extracted. And beauty in potential, awaiting juxtaposition, collage, repetition and mutilation. Field recordings are made out in the world, not the studio. Fair game: machines, animals, weather, vehicles, buskers, hawkers, preachers, objects, and the mad. Seating on futons to encourage comfortable listening and viewing. Out of respect for the onset of winter, hot drinks will be available. ----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ 964 Natoma (between 10th and 11th, and Mission and Howard) San Francisco, CA 94103 A few blocks from Civic Center BART. One block from Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. Map at Mapquest: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=964+Natoma&csz=San+Francisco%2C+CA&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 16:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09047; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:36:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:36:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:24:10 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: CV To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b201c184dd$4a45ece0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: <88-kmD.A.E-B.RAmG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am not familiar with Test Department, but i met the players from the dallas production of stomp a few years ago (different players in different productions, like any broadway show) and found them to be extremely musical people... > ... > predecessors to stomp? hahahaha...you're being generous...to stomp, that is. > >... > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 16:06:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09711; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:40:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:40:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1A6011.EBDCA88F@chello.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:24:50 +0100 From: mango X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,eu,ca,ko,ja,no,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: noise makers for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, how much for the electrix filterqueen ? joel mr monk wrote: > cleaning out the closets: > > boss rps-10 (2 of) great for the adrian belew backwards sound (he has two of > them) and intellectually challenged ptich shifting > > boss SG-1 slow gear. excellent condition. very rare. and sounds much better > (and works better ) than the chessy version in the DL-4... > > electrix filter queen > > electrix filter factory > > alesis quadraverb > > alesis 3630 stereo compressor > > behringer autocom > > yamaha mv 802- cool little two rack space line mixer with leds and you can > use a CV PEDAL!!!! > > behringer cybermix ( use it to automate your analog studio mixer (or if > tony moore wants this back...he can have it...) > > make reasonable offers to me directly. buyer to pay actual shipping/boxing > charges. > > > > monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 16:06:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09851; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:40:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:40:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1A602F.BE6A9B67@chello.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:25:19 +0100 From: mango X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,eu,ca,ko,ja,no,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: noise makers for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry, that was ment to be private mr monk wrote: > cleaning out the closets: > > boss rps-10 (2 of) great for the adrian belew backwards sound (he has two of > them) and intellectually challenged ptich shifting > > boss SG-1 slow gear. excellent condition. very rare. and sounds much better > (and works better ) than the chessy version in the DL-4... > > electrix filter queen > > electrix filter factory > > alesis quadraverb > > alesis 3630 stereo compressor > > behringer autocom > > yamaha mv 802- cool little two rack space line mixer with leds and you can > use a CV PEDAL!!!! > > behringer cybermix ( use it to automate your analog studio mixer (or if > tony moore wants this back...he can have it...) > > make reasonable offers to me directly. buyer to pay actual shipping/boxing > charges. > > > > monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 16:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14053; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:10:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:10:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:01:10 -0500 Subject: Re: noise makers for sale From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C1A6011.EBDCA88F@chello.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $150? monk on 12/14/01 3:24 PM, mango at j.kolling@chello.nl wrote: > hi, > > how much for the electrix filterqueen ? > > joel > > > mr monk wrote: > >> cleaning out the closets: >> >> boss rps-10 (2 of) great for the adrian belew backwards sound (he has two of >> them) and intellectually challenged ptich shifting >> >> boss SG-1 slow gear. excellent condition. very rare. and sounds much better >> (and works better ) than the chessy version in the DL-4... >> >> electrix filter queen >> >> electrix filter factory >> >> alesis quadraverb >> >> alesis 3630 stereo compressor >> >> behringer autocom >> >> yamaha mv 802- cool little two rack space line mixer with leds and you can >> use a CV PEDAL!!!! >> >> behringer cybermix ( use it to automate your analog studio mixer (or if >> tony moore wants this back...he can have it...) >> >> make reasonable offers to me directly. buyer to pay actual shipping/boxing >> charges. >> >> >> >> monk@fuse.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 16:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15556; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:25:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:25:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <161.5a7c3b6.294bc5a8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:14:16 EST Subject: GIG SPAM:Philly: Dec 17th: "An AKASH Holiday Special" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Guys, Just in time for the Holidays...*AN OBZINE Sponsored Event! (www.obzineonline.com) Join With AKASH (www.akashmusic.com), "Philly's Ultimate-Erotic-Exhibitionists" + The Infamous Pyro - Rev. Johnny Hell, The Masterful Elliott Levin & many other "special guests" who have teamed up & joined with AKASH as we present our "Naughty or Nice - Holiday Special". Look for the arrival of Santa's "Favorite Dominatrix" and her "best little helpers" wearing fishnet-stockings and not much else. There will be plenty of loops a poppin' and tons of psyched out "layers" of darkly drawn sound for this Gig. But Definitely DO Expect to see Multiple-Dark-Interactive-Performances & Non-Stop GoGo happening on 2 floors! *ALSO Featuring, The Infamous DJ Friggster from Psydde Delicious' Fast Cheap & Out of Control (www.fastcheapparty.com)...Fashions provided by Tattooed Kingpin (www.tattooedkingpin.com) PARTY STARTS: MONDAY: Dec. 17th, 9pm-2am @ ABILENE - 429 South Street DJ Friggster will be spinning a mix of Trippy & Experimental Darkwave seguing into 80's New Wave, Porno Soundtracks and raw Burlesque-GoGo-Core. & yeah...It's on a Monday (so we know your not doing anything better!) and it's cheap $5 @ the door, plus there will be tons of parking on South street. AKASH takes the stage @ Midnite Sharp! So Come & see the Best Go-Go Girls in Philly, Come see the 100% Naked & Bodypainted Boys & Girls, Come to Drink, Come to Dance, But mainly come out & have fun & be seen or just watch! "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" BUY THE NEW AKASH CD: THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT www.akashmusic.com www.mp3.com/akashmusic *ALSO NOTE: DEC 29th, AKASH performs @ Behind The Scenes (BTS is Philly's Best and Largest - Private BDSM Club ), Doors: 9pm-3am\ Go to: www.phillyfetish.com for more detailed info on BTS memberships, Rates & club location, policies, etc. Seeya there :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:03:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17219; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:38:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:38:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c184ff$8e882ae0$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: , Cc: , Subject: unne muscien du chili Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:29:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok lads time to do good by me. Any mssr or mme. musician living in France please contact my guitarist friend just arrived from Chile called Gato sepulveda. he's quite a good torn styled guitarist and loves to play what he calls "sic" WOrld music. (either read that as Michael Brook or Alain Bashung or My Bloody Valentine, I dunno). anyhow loopers, electric upright bassists, chapman stick players in France please contact him at: gatosepulveda@yahoo.com he doesn't want to use your laundry, but wants to meet with honest hard working and immensely cultured musiciens. thank you very much "steps down from soapbox" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:05:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17310; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:39:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:39:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b201c184dd$4a45ece0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> <00b201c184dd$4a45ece0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:22:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: CV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ahhh...well i'm sure sarcasm will get me nowhere, eventually! no disrespect intended, for sure. I've not seen a Stomp performance, but i've seen a boatload of dance over the last 9 years. Dancers happen to be extremely musical and talented on the average. When they're not...it's VERY obvious and hard (if not sometimes humourous) to watch. i guess IMHO, i would call what they do "Tap on steriods". taking tap and rhythm into the realm of what the Cirque De Soliel troops are doing...the jaded public seems to need to be "oooooohhhhed" and "aaaaaaahhhhhed" alot these days, and dance, as a medium, is having a hard time catching up. not that oohs and aaahs are a bad thing in and of themselves, but dance has never really had that element going for it. with Cirque, and Stomp, and other troops like Diavolo and LaLaLa, the "wow" factor has been taken up a notch. Test Department, on the other hand, was a politically bent outfit intent on making a purely rhythmic force burrow into your brain. To me, they had the same force and might of a marching army, but they seemed to be very anarchistic and free thinkers. Just well crafted, extremely focused POWER. no frills, no melody, just POW! and my musings wander completely off topic, i'll stop now. i heartily recommend "beating the retreat" and "the unacceptable face of freedom" however. your mileage may vary. respect, rich >i am not familiar with Test Department, but i met the players from >the dallas production of stomp a few years ago >(different players in different productions, like any broadway show) >and found them to be extremely musical people... > > >> ... >> predecessors to stomp? hahahaha...you're being generous...to >>stomp, that is. >> >>... >> >> rich >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:50:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23266; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:13:56 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CV OT Test Department In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> <00b201c184dd$4a45ece0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:22 PM -0800 12/14/01, rich wrote: >i guess IMHO, i would call what [Stomp] do "Tap on steriods". > >taking tap and rhythm into the realm of what the Cirque De Soliel >troops are doing...with Cirque, and Stomp, and other troops like >Diavolo and LaLaLa, the "wow" factor has been taken up a notch. > >Test Department, on the other hand, was a politically bent outfit >intent on making a purely rhythmic force burrow into your brain. To >me, they had the same force and might of a marching army, but they >seemed to be very anarchistic and free thinkers. Just well crafted, >extremely focused POWER. no frills, no melody, just POW! My typical reaction when I see underground, political, or avant garde art appropriated and brought into the mainstream entertainment world is to be annoyed, even angry at the "rip off." This was my initital reaction when I became aware of Stomp, even when I first heard of the Blue Man Group. However, once I saw these acts I was myself entertained and I respect what they're doing. After all, I didn't get pissed off when the Beatles appropriated the idea of orchestral sound masses and used them to effect in "A Day in the Life." However, I'm still rather annoyed at the trivialized adaptation of Survival Research Labs' work in the now-popular robot wars on TV. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:55:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24282; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c184ee$04e0aa80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200112141748.fBEHmcx11258@chmls20.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: re[2]: CV Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:21:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool! I wonder if any of the large Electrix boxes could be used with this technique- I have never worked with CV before- but it looks like I will be soon- thanks- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Stiglitz" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: re[2]: CV > another, often overlooked source of cv is a headphone out (reciever, mixing board, microcassette, etc)...line level is generally too low to run a cv, but the headphone amp can almost always do the job (i like the headphone out of the tv myself, as you can see/hear the relationship between the lips moving and the mod. > > deknow > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 18:04:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24352; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:34:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:34:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c184ee$05994c20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP prob Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:23:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C184AA.F5FD27C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C184AA.F5FD27C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all-=20 Just following up with my little EDP issue- after turning it off for = awhile- I ran it through a 24hr test with no prob- I also = removed-cleaned-and re-installed the RAM just for good measure- so no = clear reason why- and I'm NOT going to try Hans's "Fonzie" technique if = it does it again! Hans- you got EDPs in surplus or what? ;) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C184AA.F5FD27C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Just following up with my little EDP issue- after = turning it=20 off for awhile- I ran it through a 24hr test with no prob- I also=20 removed-cleaned-and re-installed the RAM just for good measure- so no = clear=20 reason why- and I'm NOT going to try Hans's "Fonzie" technique if = it does=20 it again! Hans- you got EDPs in surplus or what? ;)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C184AA.F5FD27C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 18:24:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26728; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:58:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:58:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c184f1$d519b0e0$c963f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200112141910.OAA32751@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:51:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some one mentioned this to me the other day and it got me to reminiscing about my history of looping. I said that I had been looping for 9 years and he said, "no way, man, I remember you using a digital delay to make a loop in Union Grove Music in the early eighties". It jogged my memory and I started thinking about it: For a quick historical note, my group TAO ELECTRICAL did a performance at the old Art Center in Santa Cruz '81 or '82 with three tube Echoplexes with the record heads removed and, one by one, left the stage at intermission with the loops running (slightly out of syn). It was at an avante garde show with Henry Kaiser. We thought we were so clever.........ha ha. We weren't nearly the first but I've been looping since then. Michael Haumesser (Not Michael, the brilliant electro/acoustic musician from Rhode Island) was my inspiration. He's the first person I ever saw who made cassette loops and altered his echoplex. He was also the first person I ever saw play prepared guitar. I steal from his creativity to this very day ;-) I also remember starting a performance when one of the very first digital delay machines came out (must have been '82 or '83) where the 'loop' was sped up so fast that the phrase I had entered was just an abstract rhythmic sound that I used as the 'bed' of the piece. I slowed it down (very slowly) at the end of the piece to reveal the phrase "It doesn't mean a fucking thing". I remember I thought I was so clever.........ha ha How about a FIRST LOOOPING MEMORIES THREAD? Either your first experience or the first time you saw someone looping in a way that changed your life. NOT A COMPETITION...............AN HOMAGE............anyone up for it? yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 18:24:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26682; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:58:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:58:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> <00b201c184dd$4a45ece0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:39:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: CV OT Test Department Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >However, I'm still rather annoyed at the trivialized adaptation of >Survival Research Labs' work in the now-popular robot wars on TV. stop it, Richard. you're firing off 80's and early 90's favorites too fast here, and if i go down memory lane any faster, i am surely to trip and fall. i wonder, though...do you really think Mark Pauline could give a rats ass about robot wars, or that reality tv "junkyard" thing? i'm pretty sure the robot wars are a tv fad that will soon go away. i had the privelege of seeing an SRL show first hand in San Francisco about '89. Definitely one of the most intense experiences of that period of my life. having entrails spit at you from a tree shredder is quite something... About a year ago, i think, there was an article in Spin that chronicled Pauline's exploits and showed how the next generation of SRL folks were taking his ideas and updating them. Perhaps i'm getting older and softer, but the new guys seemed even MORE SCARY than Pauline. Some dude designed a muscle car motor with a contraption connected to the drivetrain that spun nunchucks around so fast you couldn't even see them. they said if a human or animal walked into it, it would desintegrate them. or another guys sense of humor caused him to design a disease vending machine, where you would enter information about what kind of toxin you wanted, and the dispersement area. given the terrorist attacks and anthrax scares...that ain't too fucking funny, IMO. they scare me more because they seem to be venting outwards more, whereas SRL seemed to vent the violence inwards. they invited the audience to observe, and took no responibility if a wayward fragment hurt someone, but there seemed to be no anger or violence TOWARDS the audience. 2 cents, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 18:43:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29587; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:18:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c184f4$4f777500$c963f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200112141910.OAA32751@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: Bass Ebow Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:08:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_krRsC.A.MCH.OYoG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can also glue little rubber 'runners' to the bottom of the e-bow so that you can rest it on the body like it was designed for guitar. my two cents. rick walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 19:20:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00715; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c184f8$89b0b660$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <200112141910.OAA32751@hemlock.violacea.com> <007e01c184f1$d519b0e0$c963f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:39:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this probably doesn't really count as it's not real time, but my first loops were of the play deck a-record deck b-pause deck b-rewind deck a-record deck b-play deck a variety. took forever to get a decent length built up but the slight variations were kind of fun in playback. maybe i should try that again, now that i have the software to edit out the pops between repeitions. first live loops were via the sampling function on a kaoss pad, the now sold boss sp202 which i don't miss much and a modified DODFX9 that i miss a lot more. i like threads like this, i'm curious to see how people started out as well. Jon/Skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 19:29:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02410; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:04:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:04:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1A9030.205FC165@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:50:09 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: e bow on baritone but not that much References: <200112141910.OAA32752@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5TYlQC.A.uI.KEpG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shall I mention again I love this place? I mean someone shows up says "I want to use an Ebow on my baritone guitar" and evryone steps in and say, "yeah sure, i do that", "yeah me too".. Ask about Ebow on fretless guitar (I remember that from 1 or 2 years from here) ans then again, just about as normal as your "starway to heaven" an saturday evening in a Guitar Store. Everyone here (almost) does that. In normal world, showing my VG8 and jumping from an electro acoustic sound with an open tuning to fifth tuned heavy distorted guitar is enough to freak every player out. I remember a gog I did a few years ago using a GR50 as one my main tool. I was playing a (poor) rendition of Good Bye pork pie Hat with a kind of Roland-from-80ies-voicepad-sound and there is a guy who suddenly stood up yelling "I know guitars, you can't do that on guitar, this guy is a fake, everything is recorded, you don't get those sounds with a guitar ! ! ! )... But then again I had 3 free beers... Sometimes, this place feels like Home. I mean like home should be. Well. I'm not helping any subject here... Just wanted to express how sometimes I'm just happy to read you all... You can tell a good club when you feel warm here (would -maybe- say Calvin...) Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 19:34:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02791; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:09:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:09:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:49:46 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: CV OT Test Department In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1203748231==_ma============" References: <01c1839f$93ccdd40$236f580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <009f01c18416$08fed570$080210ac@jpalmer> <00b201c184dd$4a45ece0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1203748231==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:39 PM -0800 12/14/01, rich wrote: >do you really think Mark Pauline could give a rats ass about robot >wars, or that reality tv "junkyard" thing? No. >i had the privelege of seeing an SRL show first hand in San >Francisco about '89. Definitely one of the most intense experiences >of that period of my life. having entrails spit at you from a tree >shredder is quite something... My first SRL experience was "Live TV Coverage of a Short Excursion Into The Bottomless Pit of Everlasting Fire In June 1981. I also attended "A Cruel and Relentless Plot to Pervert the Flesh of Beasts to Unholy Uses" http://www.srl.org/shows/archive/cruelplot/cruelplot.html and a few others, but haven't seen anything since the mid-80s. >they scare me more because they seem to be venting outwards more, >whereas SRL seemed to vent the violence inwards. they invited the >audience to observe, and took no responibility if a wayward fragment >hurt someone, but there seemed to be no anger or violence TOWARDS >the audience. Some of the events I saw in the early '80s had some pretty in-your-face acts. Monte Cazzaza had a pneumatic cannon that shot fluorescent tubes and he enjoy firing them up onto the freeway overpass. There were also some pretty aggressive flame throwers and a machine that pulverized blocks of concrete and sent showers out across the audience. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1203748231==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: CV OT Test Department
At 2:39 PM -0800 12/14/01, rich wrote:

do you really think Mark Pauline could give a rats ass about robot wars, or that reality tv "junkyard" thing?

No.

i had the privelege of seeing an SRL show first hand in San Francisco about '89.  Definitely one of the most intense experiences of that period of my life.  having entrails spit at you from a tree shredder is quite something...

My first SRL experience was "Live TV Coverage of a Short Excursion Into The Bottomless Pit of Everlasting Fire In June 1981.
<http://www.srl.org/shows/archive/cadillac/livetv.html>

I also attended "A Cruel and Relentless Plot to Pervert the Flesh of Beasts to Unholy Uses"  http://www.srl.org/shows/archive/cruelplot/cruelplot.html and a few others, but haven't seen anything since the mid-80s.

they scare me more because they seem to be venting outwards more, whereas SRL seemed to vent the violence inwards.  they invited the audience to observe, and took no responibility if a wayward fragment hurt someone, but there seemed to be no anger or violence TOWARDS the audience.

Some of the events I saw in the early '80s had some pretty in-your-face acts. Monte Cazzaza had a pneumatic cannon that shot fluorescent tubes and he enjoy firing them up onto the freeway overpass. There were also some pretty aggressive flame throwers and a machine that pulverized blocks of concrete and sent showers out across the audience.
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--============_-1203748231==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 20:04:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05031; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:39:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:39:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:26:35 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: integer@www.god-emil.dk X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: ooooofala! X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com list: (+smiling at FREE++ NN netochka nezvanova ) ; (nn time wheel aug 2000 MAXMSP list): >personally + certain other individuals = would >very ultra desirous of funding lovely data - max or >otherwise >- particularly if ost europa + non.xy konglomerate >evidament. Ive been thinking about applying for a grant to help me continue development of live looping software. it seems that a Linux box with M-Audio or RME interface is capable of reliable 1 ms latency. There is a lot of discussion amongst the Linux Audio people about creating a portable music workstation based in Linux. I think this would really appeal to people who shy away from software. It seems to be much less flakey, and a hardware user interface could easily be coupled. I would need access to a fast PC running Linux. I think a good machine could be had for $1000. The M-audio Delta1010, a 10in10out box, can be had used for about $500. For $1500-- a stable development platform for multichannel polymetric looping software. Perhaps there is a benevolent looper in NYC, or an organization to which I could write a proposal. I feel that, as people working on the edge of new processes for manifesting music, we need to take those methods into our own hands, and build fluid interfaces around the community's needs. best -jan aside----- ive been playing with ableton's Live software (www.ableton.com). here's some stuff i sent to the developers: I was very happy with the interface. The design is clear and uncluttered. I was able to work it mostly intuitively. Dropping existing loops into slots was easy. I loved the feel of the files windows, where i could bring in old material, and the way that new tracks are stored automatically, allowing me to use material from one piece in another. Another great feature- the FX chain, where I could easily browse from my plugins and drop them onto tracks. The sliders, panners, and parameter editors were easy to operate. The keyboard shortcuts added fluidity. The quantize made lining new parts up easy. The length indicators when recording were helpful. As an instrument, I found it, at times, difficult to operate Live while improvising. I set up a template, where keys were mapped to the record arm buttons, but was unable to start recording in a slot without either clicking on that slot or pressing RETURN. pressing the key assigned to that slot only seemed to work for cuing existing loops. though i liked the quantizer keeping things in sync, i found its behavior difficult when recording. i like to tap record in as i am about to start playing. if i happen to tap a bit after the downbeat, the quantizer would wait until the next beat before recording. in my looping software, the quantizer lines up the loop lengths, not the start and end times. the loop is effectively padded at the end. i like this behavior better. Though I liked the separation of arranger and session windows, I was frustrated by it. The session window, with its matrix of cue-able loops, seemed to be operating on a time wheel metaphor. Things revolved. Things were circular. But the arranger window was clearly a song timeline. Linear. Beginning and ending. I think it was an intelligent design decision, making the arranger like a sequencer. That way, loops could be unrolled into a 'song', live... and it would lend a degree of familiarity to people who were already using Acid. but i live by the idea that the song is the singing. By the process, not the product. The idea of a finished, start-to-end 'arrangement' seemed contradictory to the Live metaphor. I would have liked to see arrangements as circular things, like larger time wheels within which the smaller loop time wheels spin. Philip Glass once talked about his music in this way. I found myself with a set of tracks, grooving along, and wanting to change the groove. If I built up a second groove or called in tracks from the archives, I could then switch between grooves. But to create a more sophisticated structure Live, I found myself having to lay down automation in the arranger, then create a loop segment around my automation, then start the groove again. To me, this felt like two metaphors conflicting. If I enlisted a second person's help, i was able to remain more fluid in my improvisation without getting stuck in my engineering hat. but i would like to be able to conduct my process Live, like an instrument. i also found certain commands that were difficult to operate from the keyboard. i wanted to say, 'shift the pitch of tracks 1 through 3 down 5 semitones starting next bar'. or 'map tracks 1-8 across these MIDI keys, and set them all to be gated so i can play them', or even, 'cut up this loop into rhythmic fragments and map them across my midi keyboard'. these 'macro' abilities would have made it much easier for me to conduct while improvising. realistically, i only ever had a few seconds away from my instruments. i didnt want to be mousing around. you have a tough job, having to anticipate how different people create music. with offline sequencing software, the degree of flexibility with user interface is much greater. with Live, you have to remain in fluid, yet provide a language between musician and computer that is understandable to both. i was glad for the cue feature. this is DJ wisdom-- listen before you bring into the mix. i am very happy about your work. i feel it is an important synthesis of ideas brought down to Earth in a very usable package. i thought of imprinting spinning crystals with my improvised resonations. working in Live reminded me a bit of working with a delay pedal, and a bit of working in Acid. it is an important bridge to build. it is an amazing genesis, and i feel that it will mature into something really robust. let me know if i can be of help in the building. ps. i have included some discussions and ideas regarding my own loop work. see below. best, jan pekau ------ **** from the max/msp list-- thank you everyone for the discussions on looping! >I'm not much of a looper, what sort of "dream functions" does the ultimate >looping app have? Who knows! Very individual, I think. For me, I'm interested in being able to build up a part and come back to it later-- in a session, or by cuing up loop mixes from disk. I'm interested in being able to have the computer help me conduct the session-- puter, fade my bass loop out over 4 bars. Puter, bring in that drumloop I recorded last time. Puter, we are switching all melodic parts up 3 semitones. Puter, cue up these loops on just the monitor mix so I can work with them before spitting them out. Puter, Jim just played in some amazing shit. Let's timestrech that into the current loop. Only, unlike an 'arranger' like Cubase, its a sonic continuum, it never stops. Its created with that spirit. For me its a way to bunk the traditional process of arranging music. I like to work in the moment, and for me I've never really taken to assembling pieces of my work and listening and relistening and tweaking. I'm interested in expanding the loop analogy to be flexible enough to work with more elaborate pieces-- where things get so dynamic, you might be surprised that looping was a central totem to the process. So I'm trying to expand the notion of looping to the point where the performer's role is less one of holding groove or holding space and more one of imagining and directing the flow of the space, and being a physical channel into that space. yields; Building a piece so that you give the computer enough information as you build it that it understands how your piece is structured, and it can project the piece forwards in time as you continue to manipulate it. This conjures some scary notions of inhuman music mediated by monotone robots, but, as I see it, this can only liberate the performers to expand the flow, rather than hold it. But then, that has been said about technology in general== powerful tools definitely own their users as much as the reverse is true. Oh, those inorganic beings! All of this is somewhat rooted in a desire to dissolve the notion of a 'finished product' and to expose the whole process of creation as the creation itself... and to empower the listener to become a creator by making that process visible and available. I grew up improvising on piano and stuff comes out, it needs to be channeled out, so I sit for hours and it just bubbles up-- and in my visions I imagine communicating my intention for a part and having the part build up by itself. Now my first reaction is that seems a little ala Terrence McKenna machine elves, but then I stop and look again and somehow 'bringing objects into existence by singing them into existence' seems like a rational thing to shoot for. >You got any beta patches yet? Absolutely! They are messy, but if you can deal with that, I would love to send you the whole thing, source & all. Then we could resonate together. tee hee. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 20:33:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08311; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.1f6027c9.294bf9e2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:57:06 EST Subject: veillette baritone guitar / citron guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tnelson@metrocast.net writes: >Veillette-Citron makes several beautiful acoustic/electric baris > Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21042; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: monk@fuse.net Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:28:34 -0800 Subject: Re: noise makers for sale Message-ID: <20011214.193508.-176389.1.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-48 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com buy me some monk's curry (pun intended ;-) at lemongrass and i'll be happy! On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:41:13 -0500 mr monk writes: > cleaning out the closets: > > > boss rps-10 (2 of) great for the adrian belew backwards sound (he > has two of > them) and intellectually challenged ptich shifting > > boss SG-1 slow gear. excellent condition. very rare. and sounds much > better > (and works better ) than the chessy version in the DL-4... > > electrix filter queen > > > electrix filter factory > > alesis quadraverb > > alesis 3630 stereo compressor > > behringer autocom > > yamaha mv 802- cool little two rack space line mixer with leds and > you can > use a CV PEDAL!!!! > > > > behringer cybermix ( use it to automate your analog studio mixer > (or if > tony moore wants this back...he can have it...) > > > make reasonable offers to me directly. buyer to pay actual > shipping/boxing > charges. > > > > > monk@fuse.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 00:14:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25379; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:49:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011214021739.42729.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:41:31 -0800 To: Aaron Schindler From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: ebow w/ baritone guitar Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use an E-bow on both my strat with a bari conversion neck and my renaissance RS6B baritone acoustic electric. The spacing is a little wider on the Ren but still works fine. both Warmouth and WD make strat or tele conversion necks that will turn any strat or tele into a Sergio Leone wet dream. I had one of the original chrome cover e-bows, it got stolen, years later I found another original with a leather holster, stolen as well, bought a black one and it crapped out after a couple of years, Then I got a grey one with a blue light, it lasted a year, I bought a new white at Namm this year. Why do I keep buying these things? E-bow users know why... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 00:58:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28570; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:32:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011215001654.0081cc90@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:16:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: veillette baritone guitar / citron guitars In-Reply-To: <6f.1f6027c9.294bf9e2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, it's been 18 years (1983), ackcherly, and I tagged on the Citron outa force of habit/dating myself. I meant Veillette sans Citron, as the link would indicate... Tempus sure does fugit. -t- At 07:57 PM 12/14/01 EST, you wrote: >tnelson@metrocast.net writes: > >>Veillette-Citron makes several beautiful acoustic/electric baris >> >joe veillette & harvey citron have separate companies, ie: >veillette guitars, and citron guitars --- >there is no longer a veillette-citron, since some 12 years (or so). >best, >dt / splattercell > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 01:07:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29382; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:41:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:41:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011215002605.0080baf0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:26:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: total ot In-Reply-To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080481A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080481A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <74STW.A.G7G.0_tG8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:33 AM 12/14/01 -0800, Dr. Z wrote: >>a guy named ben chapman > >Didn't he play the Gill Man in the Creature from the Black Lagoon? Ben Chapman did indeed play the Gill Man in the ABOVE water scenes, but in the underwater shots it was Olympic swimmer Ricou Browning, who later created the TV series 'Flipper', and who has never lived with Diamanda Galas. -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 03:08:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06485; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:43:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:44:32 -0800 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <023801c1853c$56686a20$0500a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <011601c183ac$7f5dc5b0$0282c83f@kinesys.kinesystechnologies.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I roll my own for the most part. I think it makes a difference. I definitely is a lot cheaper than decent cables (meaning something other than hosa). whirlwinds are decent. never tried the solderless ones. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lawrence" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables > A while back, I would have said no ... but I used George L's solderless > cables on my pedalboard recently and I really did notice a slight difference > ... and I don't mean like Eric Johnson superhuman undetectable to the > typical human ear type hearing either ... just less noise. > > But, I do not see any way to justify spending Monster Cable prices for > cables ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: THusken@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:53 PM > Subject: slightly OT: cables > > > Hey everybody! In regard to putting a rack system together; does cable > quality make a huge difference? > In other words - should I bother investing in specially made sets of cable > or would I be just as well off grabbing some HOSA cables from someplace like > Musicians Friend? (I'll be using 1/4" stereo to dual 1/4" phone plugs to > hook my stuff up to a Patchmate.) Thanks! -Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 10:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06606; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:02:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:02:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:58:16 +0100 Subject: Re: slightly OT: cables From: charmah tiego To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <023801c1853c$56686a20$0500a8c0@pacbell.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i compared a Hosa multipair and one i made out of Mogami cable. In good 'grounding' conditions i noticed a slight definition loss: dynamics i guess .The stereo'image' semt different. Still, i think you need a really good system to hear it But ,and this is a common thing in home studios and stage, if you have your cables running by power cables, or any kind of electromagnetic field,if you have loops (oooops) problems, well, this is where you realise you had better buy some decent cable. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 13:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21769; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.1f1c1bd3.294cecd8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:13:44 EST Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com singing gregorian chant in the "brothers" chapel in a carmelite monastery in the early to mid sixties, while in my mind i was wondering "how the heck did the beatles make those sounds?".....it was the begining of the end.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 15:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29479; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:47:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c185a0$17aa8fc0$0101a8c0@workstation1> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <200112141910.OAA32751@hemlock.violacea.com> <007e01c184f1$d519b0e0$c963f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:38:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. My first looping machine was my grandfather's stereo dual cassette recorder (I plugged my old korg a5 pedalboard in a really old eko analog delay pedal ('round 600 or 800ms of delay) and then all in the mic input on the recorder), and, while sending on the A deck a cassette of rivers and forest sounds, recording guitar delays and fx on deck B, then getting the recorded cassette in deck A recording on a second cassette everything and adding other guitar fx. A few years later I bought my first 4 tracks recorder, and being able to turn the cassette and get the backward sounds opened up a whole new world to me. Then I got a korg A1, and I thought 'what the heck can I do with all this delay time?' (2.6 secs in hold delay mode and 1.3 secs in normal delay). After another few years I got the Headrush, and 19 secs of delay seemed to me to be a good delay time, then I put my hands on a friend's EDP with 50.3 secs, and I got him to sell me the machine... Now I'm searching to 4 mb sims to have even more time... Hell, loops are addictive, aren't they???:-):-):-) P.S. I still use all of the above mentioned machines, except for the Eko delay, which broke after two years of use/abuse, and I gladly loop on all of them... Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:51 PM Subject: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES > Some one mentioned this to me the other day and it got me to reminiscing > about my history of looping. I said that I had been looping for 9 years and > he said, "no way, man, I remember you using a digital delay to make a loop > in Union Grove Music in the early eighties". It jogged my memory and I > started thinking about it: > > For a quick historical note, my group TAO ELECTRICAL did a performance at > the old Art Center in Santa Cruz '81 or '82 with three tube Echoplexes with > the record heads removed and, one by one, left the stage at intermission > with the loops running (slightly out of syn). It was at an avante garde show > with Henry Kaiser. We thought we were so clever.........ha ha. > > We weren't nearly the first but I've been looping since then. Michael > Haumesser (Not Michael, the brilliant electro/acoustic musician from Rhode > Island) was my inspiration. He's the first person I ever saw who made > cassette loops and altered his echoplex. He was also the first person I > ever saw play prepared guitar. I steal from his creativity to this very day > ;-) > > I also remember starting a performance when one of the very first digital > delay machines came out (must have been '82 or '83) where the 'loop' was > sped up so fast that the phrase I had entered was just an abstract rhythmic > sound that I used as the 'bed' of the piece. I slowed it down (very > slowly) at the end of the piece to reveal the phrase "It doesn't mean a > fucking thing". > I remember I thought I was so clever.........ha ha > > How about a FIRST LOOOPING MEMORIES THREAD? Either your first experience > or the first time you saw someone looping in a way that changed your life. > NOT A COMPETITION...............AN HOMAGE............anyone up for it? > > yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 16:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04869; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:10:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <13.37e3083.294d14cb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:04:11 EST Subject: slightly OT: cables To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13.37e3083.294d14cb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13.37e3083.294d14cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the advice everybody. I had planned on using George L. cable for my pedalboards and as an instrument cable...and then setting up my rack with the other. One more ignorant question. Believe it or not, as of now all my rack gear is running 'in series' from one piece to the next - all of it being stacked up on my stereo speakers. How's that for lo-tech? Funny thing about this is that the noise level changes. Sometimes it's extremely noisy and at others it is extremely quiet. This is amazing to me because my preamp is (god forbid) an ADA MP-2. What do you all think would cause the change in noise levels? -and when I say quiet, all the noise I can sometimes hear is the sound of the fan in the power amp! -Todd --part1_13.37e3083.294d14cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the advice everybody.

I had planned on using George L. cable for my pedalboards and as an instrument cable...and then setting up my rack with the other.

One more ignorant question.  Believe it or not, as of now all my rack gear is running 'in series' from one piece to the next - all of it being stacked up on my stereo speakers.  How's that for lo-tech?

Funny thing about this is that the noise level changes.  Sometimes it's extremely noisy and at others it is extremely quiet.  This is amazing to me because my preamp is (god forbid) an ADA MP-2.  What do you all think would cause the change in noise levels?

-and when I say quiet, all the noise I can sometimes hear is the sound of the fan in the power amp!   -Todd
--part1_13.37e3083.294d14cb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 16:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05710; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:17:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007e01c184f1$d519b0e0$c963f93f@dnlsh01> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How about a FIRST LOOOPING MEMORIES THREAD? I remember that one day in the mid-seventies, my friends and me had collected all their tape recorders (I think 5 of them), put them in a circle on the floor, and ran long tape loops around. The results were ... er, experimental, but interesting. Lots of noise and hiss that piled up. Too bad no recordings have survived. Oh well. Later ... 79-81 ... first Frippertronics-inspired guitar loop performances with 2 Revox boxes ... = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 20:53:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25453; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:28:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c185d0$2b664920$faaee83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: Subject: OT: EQ Killer for sale Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:22:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have Electrix EQ Killer for sale, for the price I got it: $60 + shipping. Email me privately: pepetr@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 21:55:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29947; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:30:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:30:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.74.148] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:'nother Newbie question Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:22:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 02:22:52.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[9068EC30:01C185D8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'd like to get some feedback from any of you out there who own and use any of the following effects units; Digitech ips-33b Digitech dhp-55 Lexicon Vortex Any of the Eventide H-3000 series units Eventide Eclipse Line 6 Delay Modeler pedal I'd like to get some user opinions/thoughts/philophies about the use and performance of these units. Not specs, but how you utilise these effects in your set-ups. Any input would be appreciated! Thanks for your time. Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 22:42:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01040; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: 'nother Newbie question Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best place to start with such a broad request would be the mailing list archives at www.loopersdelight.com You can search and find a wealth of info there- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Chris Olden [mailto:chrisolden@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:'nother Newbie question Hello, I'd like to get some feedback from any of you out there who own and use any of the following effects units; Digitech ips-33b Digitech dhp-55 Lexicon Vortex Any of the Eventide H-3000 series units Eventide Eclipse Line 6 Delay Modeler pedal I'd like to get some user opinions/thoughts/philophies about the use and performance of these units. Not specs, but how you utilise these effects in your set-ups. Any input would be appreciated! Thanks for your time. Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 22:59:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01916; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.156.162.238] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:'nother Newbie question Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:27:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 03:27:21.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[929727C0:01C185E1] Resent-Message-ID: <3blfqD.A.TZ.4SBH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Digitech ips-33b I don't own one but you can find these now just for a few bucks & they sound really good...DT did some cool stuff w/ one on his "painting" video & it sounds like he might have used it on the Polytown record BUT not sure on that one. ?? > Lexicon Vortex I been using this one as a post processor for my loops only. First the Jamman & now the EDP. Thinking of something else. What do folks think of the TC FireworX? Can you do "morh" patching on that via an expression petal. cheers LOU _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 23:16:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03102; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:52:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.156.162.238] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: veillette baritone guitar / citron guitars Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:45:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 03:45:15.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[127B4230:01C185E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: veillette baritone guitar / citron guitars >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:57:06 EST > >joe veillette & harvey citron have separate companies, ie: >veillette guitars, and citron guitars --- >there is no longer a veillette-citron, since some 12 years (or so). >best, >dt / splattercell > Hey DT. Joe V lives in your neck in of the woods, right? Do you know if his workshop is welcome to vistors? I'm in the mood for a field trip upstate ciao! Lou Rossi _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 23:24:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03670; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:58:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:58:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 16 Dec 2001 03:51:32 GMT Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:51:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Tonight! Field Effects featuring Loren Chasse, Quiet American, Matt Davignon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Jeff Blanding To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <31777BD5-F1D8-11D5-87C8-003065D54A10@modaldub.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i unfortunately was not able to attend last nights event. can someone who made it post a report? does anyone know if there are files or records of any kind online somewhere? thanks, jeff On Friday, December 14, 2001, at 12:10 PM, matt davignon wrote: > Field Effects: a night of beauty made by the world > > Friday, December 14 > > Door 8:00 pm, performance 8:30 pm sharp. > > $6-10 sliding scale, no one turned away for lack of funds. > > ----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- > > The world makes music, remember to listen. The world makes movies, > remember to look. > > Field Effects offers a night of field recording based performance. > > Featuring sound artists: > > Loren Chasse (SF) > http://www.23five.org/lchasse/ > > Tape Recorder (Oakland) > Matt Davignon's tape-based project, samples available at: > http://www.mp3.com/field_recordings/ > > Quiet American (SF) > http://www.quietamerican.org > > And featuring projection by: > > Keith Evans (Oakland) > of silt (projection ensemble) > > Carl Diehl (SF) > Kinetic engineer travelling through time with a VCR. > > Richard Holland (Madison, WI) > West coast premier of his stunning "tiny movies" > http://www.ponderance.org/holland/TinyMoviesMenu.html > > Field Effects is a showcase of Bay Area artists interested in framing > the > hidden beauty of the everyday world. Beauty on the surface, awaiting our > attention. Beauty that must be delicately extracted. And beauty in > potential, awaiting juxtaposition, collage, repetition and mutilation. > > Field recordings are made out in the world, not the studio. Fair game: > machines, animals, weather, vehicles, buskers, hawkers, preachers, > objects, and the mad. > > Seating on futons to encourage comfortable listening and viewing. > > Out of respect for the onset of winter, hot drinks will be available. > > ----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ > > 964 Natoma > (between 10th and 11th, and Mission and Howard) > San Francisco, CA 94103 > > A few blocks from Civic Center BART. One block from Market & Van Ness. > > Bike parking inside. > > Map at Mapquest: > http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below& > addr=964+Natoma&csz=San+Francisco%2C+CA&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 00:22:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09405; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:59:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.71.210] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:51:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 04:51:24.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[5059F2A0:01C185ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Back in High School..mid to late 70s...someone turned me onto the whole "tape loop" theory. Being curious, abstract, avant, and seeking out new sounds, other than the rock music most my peers were into, I "borrowed" my Dad's Reel to Reel 4 track (remember "quadraphonic sound" guys?) and found a second (only a two track) at a garage sale. I remmeber making my own "looping" setup, with the long tape loop running across my bedroom floor. Ha, Rick..I thought I was so clever, too! Some real sick and twisted sounds were made, by me, my trumpet, my rather hideous guitar playing, and my friend's micro-Moog. Ah, I remember it well. Wasn't too long later someone showed me an Echoplex. Got me thinkin'... Then I saw a Roland Space Echo...and HAD to have it! My Dad got his tape deck back, but he was rather annoyed at me. What had I done to the record heads? Then in 79 or 80 I saw Robert Fripp doing the Frippertronics thing at a festival in Annapolis, Md. I had been hip to Fripp and Eno (evening Star, No Pussyfooting etc...all staples of my record collection), but seeing and hearing it live (well..seeing is misleading...he was just a shadow on the stage, a sillouette of a man, his guitar and two Revoxes). Tho' I did not really understand all he was doing...it sounded incredible! And really changed my whole way of perceiving music, just as seeing Miles had a few years earlier. The Space Echo went to good use...lots of use, although I think only myself, my micro-moog toting friend, and a few warped co-horts really appreciated all the madness. The first "experimental" band I was in I played "Roland Space Echo"; just treating and looping sound. Spent some time away from it all whilst I learned to play bass...really play bass, but then got an Effectron and a some early Digitech digital delay which had an infinite repeat/hold function. This would be the mid-80s, and I was BassLooping! Of course doing such got me fired from many bands.... Much later, I met Mr. Loopool Walker, and his nefarious brother....they forced me to get a JamMan...and well, the rest is in the loop.... Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 03:10:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20047; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:45:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:45:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 02:37:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: OT: gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Picture of the live rig (plexus): http://www.plexusinteractivegroup.com/music/live.jpg > We are known as SOFTWARE and have been musical partners for 20 years. > We are going to be doing a live show at The Ambient Ping at C'Est > What? on Front Street at 9pm on 8 January 2002. > > It would be fantastic if you could come out and join us. The venue is > a nice toasty intimate environment with good drinks and food. > > You can get more info on the evening at http://www.theambientping.com > > More info about SOFTWARE at : >http://www.plexusinteractivegroup.com/technojazz > > And listen to some live SOFTWARE at: http://www.mp3.com/softwarehere > > Finally here is the blurb: > > Plexus (synthesizers) and Paul Asselin (guitars) are pleased to be > celebrating 20 years of collaborative improvised electronic music at > this The Ambient Ping's first show in 2002. With their eccentric > underpinnings dating back to 1982, this duo often transforms what are > considered accepted genres. Their most recent collaborations have > brought about 'techo-jazz' which is the closest English term to > describe the music they create; and will be creating for you at this > The Ping. With an entourage of vintage and modern electronics, > SOFTWARE creates music (not noise) in a totally improvised fashion > and strives to be sensitive to the audience's enjoyment of > spontaneous musical creation. SOFTWARE is pleased to perform it's > continuous-musical-experience in a more disciplined ambient approach > for you in this evening of exploration. > > It would be great to see you in the new year and celebrate our 20th > anniversary. THERE IS NO COVER CHARGE! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 09:17:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14356; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:52:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:52:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1CA58A.10D08C1D@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:45:46 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Polen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5394k.A.ScD.-VKH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody to translate, please ? Thanks Emmanuel Red Sound C-Loops (dawna nazwa Red Sound Cycloops), to pierwszy na ?wiecie DJ Loop Sampler, który jednocze?nie jest bardzo prosty w u?yciu. http://www.modus.pl/red/c_loops.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 10:14:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18384; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:49:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:49:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c1863d$09430a00$1c2ef7a5@billcumm> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: <3C1CA58A.10D08C1D@club-internet.fr> Subject: Re: Polen Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:21:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this one's in English http://www.redsound.com/home2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmanuel PERILLE" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Polen > Anybody to translate, please ? > Thanks > Emmanuel > > Red Sound C-Loops (dawna nazwa Red Sound Cycloops), to pierwszy na > ?wiecie DJ Loop Sampler, który jednocze?nie jest bardzo prosty w u?yciu. > > http://www.modus.pl/red/c_loops.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 10:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22164; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1CBD4A.67522A55@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:27:06 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Cummings , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Polen References: <3C1CA58A.10D08C1D@club-internet.fr> <000a01c1863d$09430a00$1c2ef7a5@billcumm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, I want a serious answer Who could translate word-by-word what this sentence says ? Thank you, Emmanuel Bill Cummings a écrit : > I think this one's in English > > http://www.redsound.com/home2.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emmanuel PERILLE" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:45 AM > Subject: Polen > > > Anybody to translate, please ? > > Thanks > > Emmanuel > > > > Red Sound C-Loops (dawna nazwa Red Sound Cycloops), to pierwszy na > > ?wiecie DJ Loop Sampler, który jednocze?nie jest bardzo prosty w u?yciu. > > > > http://www.modus.pl/red/c_loops.html > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 11:32:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25458; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:07:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:07:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011216160025.36412.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200112152012.PAA32236@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm probably one of the youngest members here, so my first experiences with looping are probably 20 years after a lot of you guys and girls... when i was 16, my first loops were with the boss dd5 2 second sampler. i was in a little high school band and i wanted to have sequences and drones and whatnot, so i set up these droning swell sounds that i thought were great, but the rest of the band was quickly getting irritated and demanding that i start acting like a guitar player again. we also had an ensoniq esq1 that i would loop rythmic and synth sequences on, but again, the rest of the band was kind of wondering why i couldn't just play the damn song ("how can we jam when we have sequences going on?"). i've not been in a steady band since...once i figured out that i could trigger the sp-202 with a sequence to handle beats and rythm guitar, it was over. i don't remember when it finally occurred to me that real time looping was a possibility...i'm sure it had something to do with ric in over the rhine, and certainly by the second MONK album it was apparent. then i started listening to michael brook and i said, i gotta get me some *that* shit... good topic! phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 14:22:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05420; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:56:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:56:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <39.1f7df5a5.294e46c5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:49:41 EST Subject: Re: veillette baritone guitar / citron guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lou, >Hey DT. >Joe V lives in your neck in of the woods, right? yup. >Do you know if his workshop >is welcome to vistors? i would guess so! i think that his number is: 845.679.6154 >I'm in the mood for a field trip upstate me, too! best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 14:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06821; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <43.381f240.294e480f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:55:11 EST Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lou said: >> Digitech ips-33b >I don't own one but you can find these now just for a few bucks & they >sound really good...DT did some cool stuff w/ one on his "painting" video did i? huh..... really? i don't have one of those, but i do still have a digitech DHP55..... which i used (heavily) on the title track to 'what means 'solid', traveller?'. > & it >sounds like he might have used it on the Polytown record BUT not sure on >that one. ?? no, definitely not --- 'twas a lexicon pcm80. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 15:05:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09183; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:39:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:39:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:42:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Warning: Fripp related posting ensues, also, ambient loopage worship, consider yourselves warned... I was aware of looping from "No Pussyfooting", but honestly remember not being terribly interested in that record initially. Not enough "going on" for my underdeveloped tastes, heavily influenced by the then current "fusion music". But seeing Fripp do his Frippertronics thing live at the Mabuhay Gardens (an old punk rock icon) in July of 1979 was a powerful experience. The sound of the loops was wonderful, ranging from haunting beauty to screaming, raging power, the texture as the loops degenerated (the Revoxes being high-qulaity, but not lossless digital recirculation) mesemerizing. And the most important part was the soloing on top, at one minute building and contributing to the loop, the next commenting and flying above it. Parts of this remain on "Let the Power Fall", which presents the loops as they were printed to tape, unfortunately, the soloing went into the void unrecorded, save for my woefully inadequate memory... My first looper was a Lexicon Prime Time II Model 95, with a extended memory of 3.84 seconds at 16 khz, or 7.68 at 8 khz. With control of the delay time, 2 tap outputs w/ separate feedback, and plenty of on board mixing ability, it was very nice indeed. Since then many different looping toys have come and gone, and currently I'm trying to wrap my brain around a Kyma system (arrrgh, damn my lack of math!). But that initial "exposure' (o.k., pun intended) colored my musical sensibilities strongly. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 15:17:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10082; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:52:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.135.135.125] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:45:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 19:45:18.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[30F2D300:01C1866A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question >Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:55:11 EST > >lou said: > >> Digitech ips-33b > >I don't own one but you can find these now just for a few bucks & they > >sound really good...DT did some cool stuff w/ one on his "painting" video >did i? huh..... really? >i don't have one of those, but i do still have a digitech DHP55..... which >i >used (heavily) on the title track to 'what means 'solid', traveller?'. Thanks for clarifying. I found your "homespun" video very useful.. > > & it > >sounds like he might have used it on the Polytown record BUT not sure on > >that one. ?? >no, definitely not --- 'twas a lexicon pcm80. > >best, >dt / splattercell I wish I could get my PCM80 to sound that good. Any hints please :) Grazie! Lou Rossi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 15:45:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13088; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:19:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:19:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 16 Dec 2001 20:13:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C1CA58A.10D08C1D@club-internet.fr> References: <3C1CA58A.10D08C1D@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:13:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff Subject: Re: Polen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1203588912==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1203588912==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable from http://www.poltran.com/ Translation: Old name of roadstead roadsteads ( ) Sound C-Loops Sound Cycloops, it first on? You know DJ Loop Sampler, what jednocze? Is not it in (to) at? yciu. pretty crummy translation, i think you may need to find an actual translator to get anything out of that. there are several online services that look good, though you have to pay them. -j >Anybody to translate, please ? >Thanks >Emmanuel > >Red Sound C-Loops (dawna nazwa Red Sound Cycloops), to pierwszy na >?wiecie DJ Loop Sampler, kt=F3ry jednocze?nie jest bardzo prosty w u?yciu. > >http://www.modus.pl/red/c_loops.html -- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net ----- "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." - Laurie Anderson --============_-1203588912==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Polen
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Translation:
Old name of roadstead roadsteads ( ) Sound C-Loops Sound Cycloops, it first on? You know DJ Loop Sampler, what jednocze? Is not it in (to) at? yciu.


pretty crummy translation, i think you may need to find an actual translator to get anything out of that. there are several online services that look good, though you have to pay them.

-j




Anybody to translate, please ?
Thanks
Emmanuel

Red Sound C-Loops (dawna nazwa Red Sound Cycloops), to pierwszy na
?wiecie DJ Loop Sampler, kt=F3ry jednocze?nie jest bardzo prosty w u?yciu.

http://www.modus.pl/red/c_loops.html

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"Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it."
 - Laurie Anderson
--============_-1203588912==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 16:47:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19470; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:21:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c18676$d7e8b6a0$83ace83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: "Chris Olden" , References: Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question IPS 33B Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:15:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own and use Digitech ips-33b. I use it as an insert effect in Digitech 2120. Mostly for wonderful and complex arpeggios. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 16:59:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20281; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:34:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:34:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <82.14d7de77.294e6bcb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:27:39 EST Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question: verb/pitchshift To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lou, >I wish I could get my PCM80 to sound that good. Any hints please :) ..... don't know about 'good', but: when yer using those long reverbs in a gtr setup, rolloff the high end as low as 2k, and set the lowend verb-response to a smallish divisor (to keep the low end of the gtr 'clearer'). also, ya could try some randomisation in the reverb tails, and abnormally long pre-delays to keep the gtr 'attack' clear..... and, when pitch-shifting, try some kinda delays on the p.s., w/modulation of the shift --- followed by some verb..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 18:10:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26025; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:45:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:45:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.155.69] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Field Effects Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:38:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 22:38:21.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D69A680:01C18682] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >well, i unfortunately was not able to attend last nights event. can someone >who made it post a report? does anyone know if there are files or records >of any kind online somewhere? >thanks, jeff Hi Jeff, The show was a great success. Very encouraging for the prospect of doing more shows like this (and differently themed experimental shows). About 80 people showed up. (We were thinking we'd be lucky to have 50.) The acts were all excellent. Especially noteable was one of the video installations, which involved a mobile with branches spinning against a board (contact miked), with a projector flashing images onto the board, and a camera filming the whole thing. We didn't have a direct recording off the board like we were hoping, but we asked a guy in the to record for us. The other host still needs to transfer the material from minidisc to a useable format, but I'm confident that the result will be highly listenable. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 18:13:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26281; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:48:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c18682$e5b8ab80$6387abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:42:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louis wrote: > Lexicon Vortex > I been using this one as a post processor for my loops only. First the > Jamman & now the EDP. Thinking of something else. What do folks think of the > TC FireworX? Can you do "morh" patching on that via an expression petal. > cheers > LOU I am using a Fireworx as one of the effects I have in the aux sends. It has become the one I use the most to effect loops. The morphing feature you are writing about has nothing to do with the ones of the Vortex. Fireworx has an "Alpha dial", which is a pot on the panel you can link to any parameter you wish. Think it as a continous control that you can link to one or more values. The intelligent thing is that this Alpha dial has a led bar on the panel, so you can always know where you are. You can link the Alpha dial or just the led bar to a midi continous controller or to a footpedal. Sure you can also link it to a sort of balance (control the inputs of two different effect blocks) between two different paths. The Vortex has a more "interactive" way to make this, I think I remember. Anyway, Fireworx is really a great destroying machine, but forget its reverbs..... ciao, Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 19:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30882; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:36:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:36:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.132.217.140] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:29:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 23:29:21.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D98C510:01C18689] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "luca" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question >Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:42:09 +0100 > > LOU >I am using a Fireworx as one of the effects I have in the aux sends. >It has become the one I use the most to effect loops. >The morphing feature you are writing about has nothing to do with the ones >of the Vortex. >Fireworx has an "Alpha dial", which is a pot on the panel you can link to >any parameter you wish. >Think it as a continous control that you can link to one or more values. >The intelligent thing is that this Alpha dial has a led bar on the panel, >so >you can always know where you are. >You can link the Alpha dial or just the led bar to a midi continous >controller or to a footpedal. >Sure you can also link it to a sort of balance (control the inputs of two >different effect blocks) between two different paths. >The Vortex has a more "interactive" way to make this, I think I remember. >Anyway, Fireworx is really a great destroying machine, but forget its >reverbs..... >ciao, >Luca > >www.unguitar.com > Grazie Luca! LOU _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 19:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31076; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:38:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:38:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #719 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200112132250.RAA03844@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200112132250.RAA03844@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:32:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <16Fkkt-0MBBaKC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <7akzL.A.oeH.d7SH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com do you have anything online, where i can hear what you do? i'm not trying to be too sarcastic...i just have a hard time with this "oh my god, that stuff totally sucks". if it blows that hard, why are they showing up in professional player's rigs? are they as tone deaf as i am, digging on the fact that i can get a pretty kick ass sound without turning an amp up to saturation point and rattling the walls? a marshall (4x12 celestion's and all) can sound like shit at bedroom volumes....a POD/Flextone can sound like shit at club volumes, if not tweaked for such use. Hi all, I have received quite a bit of response with my doodling here so it must be subject of great interest....would like to elaborate more on this but maybe it's getting a bit too much OT. I'll just add what I just wrote to Jim about the Marshall sounds in his Pod: Jim, I don't agree. It's an impersonation of that type of tone, and a very cluttered and undynamic one on top of that. I would almost take a bet about how long the bean-shaped hype will last (I see them used for very cheap already). But then, that's just the opinion I have to have since I threw my exclusive Mesa/Boogie Rack over the cliff in favour of old school single channel tube amps a couple of years ago. It's almost a Kurzweil vs. Steinway type of debate. If you are getting great sounds, by all means go ahead! andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 00:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24811; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 17 Dec 2001 05:14:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:14:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff Subject: app to convert/read AKAI disk image on Mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how-D all, i uh.. came across.. a disk image of samples called Terminator, in AKAI format i think, and my normal apps (on Mac OS) can not mount the image. does anyone know a piece of software that will allow me to either convert or read the samples on this disk image? thanks-in-advance, jeff -- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net http://www.modaldub.net ----- "Freedom is a scary thing - not many people really want it." - Laurie Anderson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 00:46:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25139; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:25:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:25:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011217051845.58390.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Polen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C1CBD4A.67522A55@club-internet.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5edfZB.A.r_F.2AYH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: > Please, > > I want a serious answer > Who could translate word-by-word what this sentence > says ? > > Thank you, > Emmanuel > > > > > Red Sound C-Loops (dawna nazwa Red Sound > Cycloops), to pierwszy na > > > ?wiecie DJ Loop Sampler, który jednocze?nie jest > bardzo prosty w u?yciu. According to the Polish-to-English phrase book that I purchased in London some 25 years ago, it says... My nipples explode with desire for a Red Sound Cycloops DJ Loop Sampler. John (sorry Emmanuel, I couldn't resist) ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 03:50:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06453; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 03:24:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 03:24:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011217001225.04f64e98@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:15:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:EDP Undo Question In-Reply-To: References: <200112120251.VAA21695@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:06 AM 12/12/2001, Steve Sandberg wrote: >I'm a little confused by the undo operation on the EDP, and was wondering >if anyone could clear it up for me (like through one of your wonderful >little essays, Kim?). >I've read the manual, and understand that a long press is supposed to undo >the entire previous layer (given memory limitations), and a short press is >supposed to undo the tail end starting from where you press "undo". But >my EDP seems erratic in this function -- often I have to press undo twice >or more to undo the previous layer, and often it doesn't allow a long >press -- the little undo light blinks on and off really quickly. Also, it >seems to me that sometimes I have to press undo while the previously >recorded material I want to undo is actually playing. If I press it >elsewhere in the loop, nothing happens. >Comments, anyone? thanks in advance. hi- It takes some practice and a good understanding of what the echoplex is doing with undo in order to use it effectively, much as any instrument takes a bit of practice. I encourage you to read (or re-read) the section on Undo in the users manual, as that has a fairly good explanation. Also, there have been a variety of useful posts about Undo made to the Looper's Delight list that may be helpful: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199811/msg00329.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00082.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199707/msg00310.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199708/msg00009.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199802/msg00706.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199802/msg00728.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00209.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00219.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00170.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200005/msg00270.html there are many more. Dig into the Looper's Delight mailing list archives, you will find a tremendous source of info there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 07:04:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22400; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011217113621.85570.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 03:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: AdrenaLinn Info Now Online To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4PC2PB.A.-XF.2idH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This thing looks like fun! http://64.224.173.102/products/adrenalinn.shtml John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 08:59:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32289; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:39:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:39:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c18718$59320620$752853c8@default> From: "Daniel" To: , Cc: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fw:_Blue__Universe__-Concierto_=28para_los_argentinos_y_es?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?pa=F1oles_y_uno_que_otro_holand=E9s=29?= Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:31:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C186E6.0E2B3FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C186E6.0E2B3FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blue Universe -Concierto ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel=20 To: stickwire-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM=20 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Fw: Blue Universe -Concierto (para los argentinos) Luego de presentar su Cd =B3entre el sue=F1o y la vigilia=B2 por varias = ciudades de Espa=F1a y Holanda, el Stickista argentino Sebasti=E1n = Woscoboinik y su proyecto instrumental BLUE UNIVERSE se presentar=E1 = durante el mes de diciembre en argentina. 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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C186E6.0E2B3FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 11:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16177; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:34:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:19:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: app to convert/read AKAI disk image on Mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.bitheadz.com they have a program called Osmosis, that sounds like what you're looking for. best, rich >how-D all, > >i uh.. came across.. a disk image of samples called Terminator, in >AKAI format i think, and my normal apps (on Mac OS) can not mount >the image. does anyone know a piece of software that will allow me >to either convert or read the samples on this disk image? > >thanks-in-advance, >jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 11:59:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16607; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:38:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:38:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Re:'nother Newbie question Message-Id: <171201351.30690@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:31:36 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [somebody:] > > & it > >sounds like he might have used it on the Polytown record BUT > not sure on > >that one. ?? [dt/SC:] > no, definitely not --- 'twas a lexicon pcm80. Hate to sound like an arse-hole, but for the record (literally!), it was a PCM 70. Probably a PCM 80 for the tour (a year later!) though. -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 12:39:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21498; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:14:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:14:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:07:55 EST Subject: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript To: pbadore@rochester.rr.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pbadore@rochester.rr.com writes: >I don't like people left and right e-mailing my private address. as it's been a while, i can't really remember why i emailed you, privately --- maybe it was because this had become so clearly 'off-topic', maybe it was merely another of my mistakes. pb>I dislike LD for printing them. I occasionally make exceptions but this is not one >of them. During this past month I debated whether to reply to this or not >and have obviously decided. I would appreciate it if you would leave me alone >after this, and if you attempt to do otherwise I'll delete your message >unread. Feel free to submit a copy of this to LD as I don't feel like >resubscribing just for the sake of one letter. i'll admit that i'm confused, here, again --- maybe you could let me know if you receive this email; i will post it to LD, w/your post intact --- as maybe you'll only see it, there, presuming that you continue to scan the LD archives..... pb>> >What about *interpretation*, the key issue here? I resent your sarcasm >> >represented by the asterisks, dt>> on the subject of interpretation --- i use asterisks in my email to merely >> *stress* a word, not for sarcasm. >> i'm not a sarcastic guy. pb>I seem to recall "elecTORNica". Everyone is sarcastic one way or another. that wasn't meant as sarcasm, just cheap humor. pb>There is also no need for you to stress anything. Just write your messages >straight. well, that's how i speak, as well --- with exaggerated dynamics; though, i have often been accused of verbal ellipsis. pb>> >but I also apologize if I wasn't clear enough >> >at the beginning. dt>> don't worry; we're just talking, & i apparently misunderstood your >> intentions. pb>> >I assure everyone I'm not crazy or making this up when >> >I say I found a few downloads on either LD (might have been CD1 but >they're >> >deleted) or off Elephant Talk but can't recall exactly where. i *certainly* never said nor implied anything about anyone being 'crazy'. pb>> >Earlier >> >today >> >I made a search but to no avail. But these people labelled their work >> >"Soundscapes" in relation to KC material. Hence my comments. dt>> is that where this started? >> again --- i had no idea that this is what you were talking about referring >> to --- >> confusion. pb>Then why did you get involved in the first place? i got involved, as i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i thought was new at LD) might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to slavishly aping robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a particular website; my mistake! pb>I've looked at the >archives and notice there's rarely a subject you haven't added your two >cents to. well, this may be wrong, but..... i am trying to continue w/some kinda participitation in/contribution to the looping-'community', and, since i do this looping-thing pretty much every day, i figure there ought to be *some* useful-to-somebody-bits in a portion of the crap that i spout..... but, maybe not: that's one risk that i continue to take --- that of being an ass, and publicly so. pb>The original subject was "KC in SF - No Loop Content". Naturally >Crimsonesque & Frippesque terms were bound to be used. Aside from our >argument I've probably inputted about three times and only if it's something >I was familiar with. You don't see me blabbing about David Torn, do you? >Unless, of course, he tried to attack me with some stupid misinterpretation >of my comments! If you don't know or care to know about something, STAY >OUT >OF IT!!! (Now THAT's stress!) pb>> >But dt>> why, but? pb>Why not? Again, I don't really want to know. pb>> >let's put your original thoughts in a proper perspective. If I said: >> >"Hey you motherfuckin' asshole loopers! You don't know shit about what >> >you're doin'! All you're doing is copying soundscapes which was invented >> >by the great Robert Fripp years ago after he created Frippertronics. >> >Copycat candyasses!" >> >NOW I deserve every counterattack from the past couple of days! However, >> >I accept your apology; but please keep in mind you started a precedent dt>> if i started a precedent, that precedent was not meant as a personal >>attack, pb>But ya DID, Blanche, ya DID make a personal attack! well, that was truly unintentional; i thought that i was addressing what appeared to be an 'issue' --- at least, for me. and: i have every hope & confidence that your personal & musical contributions to this screwy world are broadly valuable, either now or in the future. dt>> just my thoughts & responses presented in this environment which >encourages >> the exchange of ideas. pb>Yeah, at my expense. that's not at all what i meant to do; that's the mistake for which i apologise. dt>> i am indeed sorry that you perceived it otherwise; >> i meant no personal harm. pb>> >that >> >fortunately is now waning, aside from Sottilaro's continuing childishness >> >which has long worn out (even I stopped the hanky lines). Our society >> >today enjoys attacking itself and who cares if there's no real reason >for >> >it? so, why, then, would you stoop to attacking mark sottilaro's innocently good-humored posts? dt>> actually, there was a reason for my response, which i tried to make clear. pb>No, you didn't. i *tried* to make it clear. to reiterate: i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i thought was new at LD) might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to slavishly aping robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a particular website; my mistake! pb>> >I'm also sorry I wasted everyone's time, including my own. Once I had >> >gotten everything together I was hoping to put something on LD, but >now >> >everything's gone to waste. Perhaps in time I'll either return or - >more >> >likely - find another outlet for my music. i sincerely hope that you find an outlet for your music, at LD or otherwise. dt>> while i'm not sure that i consider LD as an outlet for music, it is a good >> place for expressing ideas / information / thoughts, as regards looping & >> such; there are *many* threads besides this one (see the archives), and i >> think it might be the only net-place that is really loop-centric --- >> sorry if you are somehow dissuaded from hanging. pb>"Somehow"?? I'm a villain because of your assumption and don't argue this! i certainly do *not* perceive you as a villain! i perceive you as someone with whom i've had a somewhat obtuse verbal misunderstanding. pb>I admit I'm hardly what you'd call a professional, but does that mean people >of your caliber need to look down your noses at people of mine? i do not 'look down my nose' at you; i was --- or, so i thought --- trying to bring another perspective to the discussion. pb>It strikes me odd that you have so much time on your hands to participate in this! huh? pb>Even Fripp only contributes to ET once every few years! ..... does that statement imply that you believe that i should, as a rule, follow his example? while i love & respect RF, that is not gonna happen: different strokes, etc. pb>I am disgusted that LD has turned into both a forum for you (a lot of gushing) well, if ya hung around, it'd be a forum for you, too..... as it seems to be for other folks. pb>and a commercial site for the Repeater actually, i'd say that the majority of posts relate directly to the EDP, though repeater has (naturally, due to its recent release date) made a strong showing, as have the jamman, boomerang, line6, orville, bossRC20, kyma, acid, headrush, etc etc..... pb>(a piece of shit, if you ask me). while not perfect -(but what looper is everything, to all users?)- i'm quite happy with my repeater --- it's been a very, very useful tool, for me, among others. pb>I used to work voluntarily as a DJ at a radio station in the Rochester >Institute of Technology and found nothing there but a bunch of technical >yesmen who all said the same thing. That's why I left LD: Last month >was a rerun of those horrible days (although I gotta admit, the debates that >resulted did bring some humanity to the dullness). i'm sorry to hear of the recall of bad memories, and of the dullness. dt>> best, >> dt / s-c pb>I'd hate to see your worst. >PB damn, that's cold. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 12:39:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22069; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:17:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:17:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:09:40 EST Subject: Re: Re:'nother Newbie question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pete, >Hate to sound like an arse-hole, but for >the record (literally!), it was a PCM 70. >Probably a PCM 80 for the tour (a year >later!) though. yeah, you're right. which means that the dhp55 or the ips33b was there, as well. sorry! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 12:50:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23174; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:29:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:29:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <1.66647279262543.136.150827407837@1.0001280221941> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:21:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: NYCgig:Ken'sLastEverRadioExtravaganzaWed12-19@Siberia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza Wed. Dec. 19, 9pm Siberia: 365 W. 40th St. (8th & 9th Aves.), NYC Free The night's lineup: -- Pocket Zoo "...like a one man zoo, but in your pocket..." -- ThemsGoodEatin "...slow, droney hypno rock with a heady baroque tip..." -- Ask The Dust "...a carousel of swirling ballerinas..." -- Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza "...a 32-piece orchestra of 17th-century instruments, controlled by hypnosis..." (note: first violinist sick, replacement needed. serious offers only) (k.l.e.r.e. is dominated by loops) --- Ears: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ Fingers: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ Toes: kenzo@free-music.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 14:17:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00751; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:56:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011217134801.032420a0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:53:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: old dbx spex? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_12819459==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_12819459==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed hey yall anyone got a clue where i might get ahold of shop manuals for the old 161 and 160? i have a generationally weary photocopy of the owners manual, and while it does include a very fuzzy schematic (it might serve - it only cuts off at the edges slightly!), i have no component list to go along with. dr zovnar? anybody? a:c ...can you imagine??? owners manuals used to include SCHEMATICS! what a quaint notion!!! ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_12819459==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" hey yall

anyone got a clue where i might get ahold of shop manuals for the old 161 and 160? i have a generationally weary photocopy of the owners manual, and while it does include a very fuzzy schematic (it might serve - it only cuts off at the edges slightly!), i have no component list to go along with.

dr zovnar? anybody?

a:c

...can you imagine??? owners manuals used to include SCHEMATICS! what a quaint notion!!!

++++++++
just what the world needs....
another frikkin url
--=====================_12819459==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 15:10:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06825; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f401c18733$57a68fe0$1d61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200112162045.PAA15274@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:45:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone hip me to any inexpensive (but good sounding) battery powered preamps? I have this perverse desire to take one, a mic, my line 6 DL-4 and a Hognose amp down to our mall and do some guerilla loop performances. I have a line on a Shure PF-11 which lists for $377 and which has been offered to me for $199.........what do you guys think? yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 15:21:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07768; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701c18734$88505620$1d61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200112162045.PAA15274@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:53:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Landman wrote: Wow, Mark, reading yours and Max's posts really made me feel nostalgic and...................... ..........I was at the same Frippertronics gig at the Fab Mab in '79!!!! Amazing!!! I screwed up my courage and went up to talk to Fripp (who was like a major god to me then----he's still kind of a minor deity to this day) and waited until everyone talked to him and approached him. I had studied with Gregory Bateson in college and his name came up and we ended up having this pretty long conversation about Summerhill and alternative education. He was really nice and genuinely seemed to care about what I had to say. I was impressed by his 'realness' (he, after all, was a god :-). ah............as Bill McNeil would say in News Radio, "Good times....good times? Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 15:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11238; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:29:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c18738$8b5f9520$6d0d5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #247 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:22:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #247 December 13, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a band from near-by Quakertown. Influenced by the likes of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd, Orbital Decay makes electronic space music with the improvisational qualities and the energy of fusion styles from the 70s. As a special holiday treat, Orbital Decay will perform a live, in-studio, on-air concert during the December 27th program. The Featured CD at Midnight was the band's self released CDR "Re-Entry." The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Don Slepian. Orbital Decay http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Don Slepian Horizon Computer Don't Breakdown (Don & Judy Records) Geodesium The Andromeda Stellar Collections (Loch Ness Collection Productions) Tales The Vashkan Rebellion The Seskian Wars (SIT Records) Samuel Pellman Ares Vallis Audio Destinations (none) Radio Massacre Echoes * Planet in the Wires (Northern International Echo Recordings) 12:00 am Orbital Decay Re-Entry Re-Entry (none) Orbital Decay Salt 4C Re-Entry (none) Orbital Decay Y2K Eve Re-Entry (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Orbital Decay. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the band's "Orbital Decay" CDR. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Mark Isham. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 15:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11126; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:29:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:29:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080482E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:21:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18738.644EF8E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18738.644EF8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" try raven labs????? -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Can anyone hip me to any inexpensive (but good sounding) battery powered preamps? I have this perverse desire to take one, a mic, my line 6 DL-4 and a Hognose amp down to our mall and do some guerilla loop performances. I have a line on a Shure PF-11 which lists for $377 and which has been offered to me for $199.........what do you guys think? yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18738.644EF8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" RE: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS?

try raven labs?????

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:45 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS?


Can anyone hip me to any inexpensive (but good sounding) battery powered
preamps?

I have this perverse desire to take one, a mic, my line 6 DL-4 and a Hognose
amp down to our mall and do some guerilla loop performances.

I have a line on a Shure PF-11 which lists for $377 and which has been
offered to me for $199.........what do you guys think?

yours,  Rick Walker (loop.pool)



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18738.644EF8E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 16:07:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12786; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.67.142] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:38:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2001 20:38:16.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[C156F900:01C1873A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick: I Use a Raven Labs PHA-1, which is an instrument preamp, in my bass rig. Outstanding unit with 100 hrs. or so on two 9v batts. Being an inst. pre, it only has unbalanced ins (but two, discreet inputs) and also doubles as a nifty headphone/practice amp with two headphone outs and a sidechain (parallel) aux loop. and 1/3 rack size (small and portable) Dead quiet..superior headroom, pristine sound. Don't know exactly how it would work with a mic...but I could try it out! Either need to use an adaptor to go from low/xlr to0 high imp/1/4"..or a specialized cable with XLR on one end and 1/4 on the other.... Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 16:09:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13146; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.67.142] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:41:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2001 20:41:02.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[244F6DD0:01C1873B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh..yea, BTW they are around $250 I think. Available thru Raven Labs. I just tried it with a mic and a 1/4" to XLR cable I had lying around. You do need to crank the gain a bit...but it is still quiet, and it works! Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 16:18:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14308; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.67.142] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:48:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2001 20:48:24.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BE797B0:01C1873C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick..I wasn't at the Mabuhay in '79, but on one my first ever trips to California, maybe '78 or '79, I did get to see Mr. Fripp and Revoxes at the Monterey fairgrounds! geez, I think the Knack was there too! Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 17:37:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23745; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:15:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:15:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1E6D7D.D418BEA2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:11:36 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: (big snip) > > pb>I'd hate to see your worst. > >PB > > damn, that's cold. > dt / s-c pb i don't know, and quite frankly i'm not interested in even looking up in the archive to learn more about, due to the tone of his/her responses herein (and maybe that's not fair), but, for the record, i typically open a great many of the posts by dt, even if the subject line is not of particular interest, if only to sample the well-balanced voice of one who's life experiences seem to have had a favorable effect on both his music and his dealings with other people...pb can call this *gushing* or whathaveyou, but i can't agree with the notion that the list has become some sort of *forum* for mr. torn- his musings are as appreciated on this list as anyone's (and there are many, many more who regularly and not-so-regularly contribute ideas whom i appreciate just as well). god forbid we should start censoring ourselves on account of one person's bitter perspective. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 17:45:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24311; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:23:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:23:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:16:44 EST Subject: Re: AdrenaLinn Info Now Online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf.106ccd7f.294fc8cc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cf.106ccd7f.294fc8cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/01 6:38:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: > This thing looks like fun! > > http://64.224.173.102/products/adrenalinn.shtml > agreed.....:)m --part1_cf.106ccd7f.294fc8cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/01 6:38:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes:


This thing looks like fun!

http://64.224.173.102/products/adrenalinn.shtml


agreed.....:)m
--part1_cf.106ccd7f.294fc8cc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 18:02:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25437; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <128.97d9a83.294fcc25@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:31:01 EST Subject: Re: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_128.97d9a83.294fcc25_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <8xS3v.A.8CG.rInH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_128.97d9a83.294fcc25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/01 2:44:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > I have this perverse desire rick, rick, rick.....:)m --part1_128.97d9a83.294fcc25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/01 2:44:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


I have this perverse desire


rick, rick, rick.....:)m
--part1_128.97d9a83.294fcc25_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 18:50:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30992; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:30:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:30:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:33:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Frippertronics at the Mab/ was FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, That is indeed somewhat amazing that we were "there", and are now "here". It seems a disproportunately large amount of LD'ers were powerfully motivated/inspired by RF & Frippertronics, which also amazes me, because, frankly for years I thought nobody else would be interested in that sort of thing... I would imagine it's a pleasant thing for RF to know that something he did affected people in a lasting and positive manner. Mark >Mark Landman wrote: > >(an old punk rock icon) in July of 1979 was a powerful experience.> > > >Wow, Mark, reading yours and Max's posts really made me feel nostalgic >and...................... > >..........I was at the same Frippertronics gig at the Fab Mab in '79!!!! > > Amazing!!! > >I screwed up my courage and went up to talk to Fripp (who was like a major >god to me then----he's still kind of a minor deity to this day) and waited >until everyone talked to him and approached him. I had studied with >Gregory Bateson in college and his name came up and we ended up having this >pretty long conversation about Summerhill and alternative education. He was >really nice and genuinely seemed to care about what I had to say. I was >impressed by his >'realness' (he, after all, was a god :-). > > >ah............as Bill McNeil would say in News Radio, "Good times....good >times? > >Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 19:34:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02394; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:12:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:12:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.5c26e77.294fe25e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:05:50 EST Subject: More gratuitous self promotion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA01836 Resent-Message-ID: <-AOt9D.A.7c.khoH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've been busy sending out CDs and have actually gotten some airplay. If you happen to be within broadcast range of any of these outfits. Each of the following has sent the label a playlist that says they've actually put my noodlings on the air (sometime in the wee hours no doubt in most cases -- on some misanthropic DJ's rant hour -- but who cares). I'm thrilled. WNCW 88.7 FM Spindale NC WSIA 88.9 FM Staten Island, NY CKUT 90.3 FM Montreal, Quebec WSUM 91.7 FM Madison, WI CFLX 95.5 FM Sherbrooke, Québec KUCI.88.9 FM Irvine,CA KAPSAI FM 100.2 Lithuania WOMR 92.1 FM Provincetown, MA KDSU 91.9 FM Fargo, ND FRK 105.8 FM Kassel, Germany CJAM 91.5 FM Windsor, Ontario KCSB 91.9 FM Santa Barbara, CA 3D Radio 93.7FM Adelaide, Australia CIUT 89.5 FM Toronto, Ontario WXYC 89.3 FM Chapel Hill, NC Just thought I'd share the joy. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 20:27:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07877; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:05:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:05:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.1650b42b.294fee87@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:57:43 EST Subject: Re: More gratuitous self promotion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e.1650b42b.294fee87_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <0ATyp.A.IfB.qSpH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3e.1650b42b.294fee87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/01 7:08:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, KILLINFO@aol.com writes: > I'm thrilled. > ted.....you should be!.....very cool.....:)m --part1_3e.1650b42b.294fee87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/01 7:08:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, KILLINFO@aol.com writes:


I'm thrilled.


ted.....you should be!.....very cool.....:)m
--part1_3e.1650b42b.294fee87_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 20:29:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08108; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:00:57 +0000 Subject: Battery Powered Preamps? From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Rick: I Use a Raven Labs PHA-1, which is an instrument preamp, in my bass rig. Outstanding unit with 100 hrs. or so on two 9v batts. Being an inst. pre, it only has unbalanced ins (but two, discreet inputs) and also doubles as a nifty headphone/practice amp with two headphone outs and a sidechain (parallel) aux loop. and 1/3 rack size (small and portable) Dead quiet..superior headroom, pristine sound. Don't know exactly how it would work with a mic...but I could try it out! Either need to use an adaptor to go from low/xlr to0 high imp/1/4"..or a specialized cable with XLR on one end and 1/4 on the other.... Max<<< Definitely second the raven Labs endorsement - amazing quality gear for relatively little dough... For a Mic, you might want to try the Master Blender - that way you get two channels to blend into one, one has the right impedance for a mic (and even the option of Phantom Power methinks) and the other is better for a pickup - could be just what the doc ordered. separate three band EQ for each, option to have FX loop on both, or one on each, LXR out, jack out, and it may, if asked nicely, scan your computer for malicious viruses and filter LD for off topic content to save you having to read it... :o) big up to Raven Labs, says me - I've got their Mixer/DI (MDB-1), Preamp/Headphone amp (PHA-1) Master Blender and DI Box - the only one I'm missing is the True Blue EQ, which is also a fantastic little, and may well end up in my rig before too long... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 21:20:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11608; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:58:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:58:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: Radio Promo (was: Re: More gratuitous self promotion) In-reply-to: <15e.5c26e77.294fe25e@aol.com> X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For future reference, the folks at WMFO-FM in Medford, MA do a solid job of promoting new music, and are always up for receiving CD's of stuff. The station is at 91.5 FM, and has streaming audio at wmfo.org. It's one of the smaller-wattage college stations in the Boston area, but the programming is totally freeform (DJ-chosen), and there's wide support for the local scene, especially the new and different. I run tech down there for on-air bands sometimes, and have worked with them for many years producing shows & events. Even used their studios to record, late-night, a few times, and quite successfully. Send CD's to: Music Director WMFO-FM P.O. Box 65 Medford, MA 02155 Always trying to get loopy music on the air.... Elio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 22:47:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20042; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:18:29 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: RE: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES In-reply-to: <00f701c18734$88505620$1d61f93f@dnlsh01> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok... I was at the Mab gig as well... took a girlfriend who was pretty confused by it all, but it was really cool to see him do his thing. He did manage to slip in a tiresome lecture about photography and why he doesn't allow it after someone tried to take some pictures. -Miko >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:54 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES > > >Mark Landman wrote: > >(an old punk rock icon) in July of 1979 was a powerful experience.> > > >Wow, Mark, reading yours and Max's posts really made me feel nostalgic >and...................... > >..........I was at the same Frippertronics gig at the Fab Mab in '79!!!! > > Amazing!!! > >I screwed up my courage and went up to talk to Fripp (who was like a major >god to me then----he's still kind of a minor deity to this day) and waited >until everyone talked to him and approached him. I had studied with >Gregory Bateson in college and his name came up and we ended up having this >pretty long conversation about Summerhill and alternative >education. He was >really nice and genuinely seemed to care about what I had to say. I was >impressed by his >'realness' (he, after all, was a god :-). > > >ah............as Bill McNeil would say in News Radio, "Good times....good >times? > >Rick Walker (loop.pool) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 22:49:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19806; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:22:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:22:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:15:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My first personal looping experience was around 1975, and a high school buddy had set up a couple of two track tape machines in his living room and I got to plug in my key lime colored gretsch anniversary and experience the magic. Later perhaps around 1984 I saw Paul Drescher do the same thing with a modified tape machine at the Kuumbwa Jazz Center in Santa Cruz, very cool. Also, sometime in the mid to late eighties I remember seeing David Torn at the winter NAMM show demo-ing for Yamaha, though I can't seem to recall if he was looping or not. I do remember him being very musical. This is not often the case at NAMM shows, which seem to glorify wanking, and this was in the "Big Hair" eighties when shred was king. He was also very open with his knowledge and very patient with everyone, no matter how rudimentary the questions. chillyb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 22:50:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20311; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.205.197.222] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; the live approach Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:22:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2001 03:22:26.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[3771ACB0:01C18773] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I wanted to ask the listers about their approach to looping in a live setting.(either solo are as part of a group) If, you are playing solo, do you take the pre-thought out approach, or do you fly by the seat of your pants? If, you're playing with a group, do you have pre-recorded parts that you fly in or, do you improvise the loop sections of songs? Thanks! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 23:24:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23645; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:03:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:03:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:56:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES In-reply-to: <007e01c184f1$d519b0e0$c963f93f@dnlsh01> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200112141910.OAA32751@hemlock.violacea.com> <007e01c184f1$d519b0e0$c963f93f@dnlsh01> Resent-Message-ID: <3jGbbC.A.zWF.a6rH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:51 PM -0800 12/14/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: >How about a FIRST LOOOPING MEMORIES THREAD? To put this time line in perspective, I was born in 1946, started elementary school in 1950, and graduated high school in 1963: Long before I ever became aware of looping per se as musical process, I had a fondness for "weird" science fiction movie music and novelty sound effects. I was a regular listener to the Big John and Sparky radio program (1950-58), wherein Sparky's voice was a sped-up recording, and marveled at the sounds of theremin and homebrew electronics in films such as The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951), Invaders from Mars (1953), Forbidden Planet (1956). The first time I ever saw someone demonstrate double tracking was on the Walt Disney TV show, circa 1955. Peggy Lee did the voices of the two Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp. Around this same time I used to hear Les Paul and Mary Ford's jingles for Robert Hall clothes on the radio. Lots of multitracking and tape-speed manipulation. When "The Witch Doctor" came out in 1958 I became a big fan of David Saville, and after he released the "Chipmunk Song" later that year my friends and I started playing around with tape recorders to imitate chipmunk voices. But this was just a lot of fooling around; my only real musical activity from childhood through high school was as a singer. It wasn't until my late teens that I got serious. In 1965 I got psychedelicized, both chemically and intellectually, and in 1966 I started playing quasi-professionally in a band. Although the band itself was strictly folk rock/psychedelic with guitars (a little banjo), bass, drums, and vocals, my listening went far beyond. During 1966-67 I rapidly got an education about electronic music, musique concrete, and live electroacoustic music. Pieces that were essential to this education were Steve Reich's "Come Out" (1966), Pauline Oliveros's "I of IV" (1967), Luciano Berio's "Thema (Omaggio a Joyce)" (1958). In 1969 I saw/heard John Cage and David Tudor perform with the Merce Cunningham Dance Company and I composed my first multimedia piece for film with four spatially-separated tapes of manipulated sounds. I followed this with a film for three synchronized films, an adaptation of an Ionesco play called "Salutation" for three actors. Many of the techniques and compositional structures in this film were related to musical loop processes, i.e. layering, repetition, multiple perspectives on the same material. After a few years playing more straight-ahead rock music and making more straight-ahead films I found myself in Santa Cruz in 1975 and enrolled in Cabrillo College, where the music department had a New Music Ensemble and an Audio Arts program directed by Bob Beede. Bob had a Buchla Music Easel, and I started performing with him and a few others. A lot of what we played was improvised "pattern music," inspired by Terry Riley, Steve Reich, and other so-called "minimalists." Our typical setup used a delay system made of two 4-track reel-to-reel decks with the tape treaded between them. As I recall, we didn't normally use regeneration on the signal path, so the effect was mainly a straight canonic repetition with only a small amount of feedback due to bleed into the microphones. Having four tracks of tape allowed us to have individual delays routed to their own speakers in a quad sound system. On one piece we had short delays from two playback heads of Machine #1 in the front channels and long delays from Machine #2 in the rear channels. I moved to San Diego in 1977 to attend graduate school, and for two years I lived with Paul Dresher. Paul was very much into tape delay systems at the time. At home he would play guitar through a funky system in his bedroom, using a couple of cheap old tape decks, but in the tape studio at school he was using the half-inch 4-track (with erase head defeated) for some serious loopage. These experiments led to the design of his 4-track performance looper, based on a modified TASCAM 40-4 deck and a voltage controlled matrix mixer. A pair of long metal arms supported a 20-30" tape loop, and in addition to the stock Record and Playback heads, the tape deck had and additional Playback head mounted at the halfway point in the loop. The outputs and feedback paths from each of the three heads could be controlled through the VCA mixer by means of a set of 24 foot pedals, and the signal routing was done manually with push buttons. This system was built in collaboration with music department technician (and guitarist) Paul Tydelski. It is the system Bill Walker referred to at the Kuumbwa gig in 1984. Partly because Paul was becoming such an obvious master at tape-based looping, I followed different avenues. I spent a lot of hours working with the school's Buchla 100 Series modular system, which had four analog step sequencers. I also did a lot of work with tape loops as part of some of my tape pieces, but most of the time this was used to prolong individual transient sounds from percussion instruments and the like. I also used some loops in the backing tape for the Diamanda Galas piece "Panoptikon" (1982), turning the sound of her ring modulated voice into a huge chugging engine from hell. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 23:50:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26037; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:56:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Battery Powered Preamps? Message-ID: <20011217.201708.-348561.3.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-7,9-55 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep, i'll second (or third) the raven labs master blender recommendation. i used one for a couple years when i gigged on doublebass regularly. fantastic piece. i still have it and it sees little use if someone is interested. the mixer/di would suit my needs better now. tony tony-moore@juno.com On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:00:57 +0000 Steve Lawson writes: > >>> Rick: I Use a Raven Labs PHA-1, which is an instrument preamp, in > my bass > rig. Outstanding unit with 100 hrs. or so on two 9v batts. Being > an inst. > pre, it only has unbalanced ins (but two, discreet inputs) and also > doubles > as a nifty headphone/practice amp with two headphone outs and a > sidechain > (parallel) aux loop. and 1/3 rack size (small and portable) Dead > quiet..superior headroom, pristine sound. Don't know exactly how it > would > work with a mic...but I could try it out! Either need to use an > adaptor to > go from low/xlr to0 high imp/1/4"..or a specialized cable with XLR > on one > end and 1/4 on the other.... > Max<<< > > Definitely second the raven Labs endorsement - amazing quality gear > for > relatively little dough... > > For a Mic, you might want to try the Master Blender - that way you > get two > channels to blend into one, one has the right impedance for a mic > (and even > the option of Phantom Power methinks) and the other is better for a > pickup - > could be just what the doc ordered. separate three band EQ for each, > option > to have FX loop on both, or one on each, LXR out, jack out, and it > may, if > asked nicely, scan your computer for malicious viruses and filter LD > for off > topic content to save you having to read it... :o) > > big up to Raven Labs, says me - I've got their Mixer/DI (MDB-1), > Preamp/Headphone amp (PHA-1) Master Blender and DI Box - the only > one I'm > missing is the True Blue EQ, which is also a fantastic little, and > may well > end up in my rig before too long... :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 01:39:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01928; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:18:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:07:10 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Newbie question; the live approach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C1EDD0E.8E550B85@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I play solo guitar (and have just started playing an ADG 10 string tapper) and use two boomerangs for looping. I have 5 or 6 set pieces that use looping. I start with some of those to get my fingers loose and make sure my gear is working OK. Then after that, it depends on my mood, what the room sounds like, what the crowd is like, etc. I never use pre-recorded or sequenced sounds, just whatever comes out at the moment. Mike Killian Chris Olden wrote: > Hello, > I wanted to ask the listers about their approach to > looping in a live setting.(either solo are as part > of a group) If, you are playing solo, do you take > the pre-thought out approach, or do you fly by the > seat of your pants? If, you're playing with a group, > do you have pre-recorded parts that you fly in or, > do you improvise the loop sections of songs? > Thanks! > Chris Olden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 02:26:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06226; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:05:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c18791$ac38dd20$2961f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200112180034.TAA04205@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: PROPOSAL: lets end this thread: "Re: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:00:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lance G. wrote: "pb i don't know, and quite frankly i'm not interested in even looking up in the archive to learn more about, due to the tone of his/her responses herein (and maybe that's not fair), but, for the record, i typically open a great many of the posts by dt, even if the subject line is not of particular interest, if only to sample the well-balanced voice of one who's life experiences seem to have had a favorable effect on both his music and his dealings with other people...pb can call this *gushing* or whathaveyou, but i can't agree with the notion that the list has become some sort of *forum* for mr. torn- his musings are as appreciated on this list as anyone's (and there are many, many more who regularly and not-so-regularly contribute ideas whom i appreciate just as well). god forbid we should start censoring ourselves on account of one person's bitter perspective." Here, here, Lance!! Being one who probably 'gushes' a bit too much on L.D. (let's just call it 'enthusiasm' for looping and music) I am totally appreciative of David Torn's input on this list. He has been generous to a fault with me, personally, and with all who come here with his considerable intelligence and experience and I have learned a great deal and been inspired a lot by his presence. I didn't even follow this thread until today (haven't had the time) and I was very impressed by how many times d/t bent over backwards to give this disgruntled and angry gentleman a way out of his vitriol.........one he never took, unfortunately. d/t tried his best, acquitted himself well and now we can all move on....... yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 02:33:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06864; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:13:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:13:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Newbie question; the live approach Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:01:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <3C1EDD0E.8E550B85@swbell.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been doing a lot of fiddle tunes on acoustic guitar--just at home, no gigs in months, although one looms on the horizon (Thursday) and is a duo with a fiddle player and I plan to spring the Echoplex on him and the unassuming audience--I shall provide a full report. Usually tho, unplanned sonic exploration with lots of listening on my part and little preparation is the norm. I bet if I was performing for an audience more regularly that I would be playing tunes, tho--I have little faith in the listening public's ability to pay attention to music they have never heard before, much less stuff I haven't (quite) thought of yet. I have a question that is along the same lines. I know that with the playback and storage capabilities of the Repeater, folks will be including prerecorded audio into their live sets. Anybody care to share how they are approaching that? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 04:39:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17387; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:08:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:08:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:58:05 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; the live approach In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <8NzMO.A.sCE.NYwH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:22 AM +0000 12/18/01, Chris Olden wrote: > I wanted to ask the listers about their approach to looping in a >live setting. Almost all of the live looping I do is improvisational, and almost all of that has been me capturing loops of other people's performance or of recorded sources. In the past my main loopers have been Eventide H3000 and DSP4000, and TC2290. I now have an Eventide Orville, which I programmed as a 4-channel looper but haven't yet used in performance. I recently bought two Repeaters and have been using them with guitar, but don't have the gall to inflict that on an audience. I sometimes use long loops with regeneration, indulging in the usual Frippery, but I'm more inclined to capture short loops of another performer's phrases. Once I have something captured I usually mess with it in a manner that depends a lot on the properties of the looping device. For instance, changing a loop length in an Eventide H3000 causes the pitch of the looped material to change to a higher or lower pitch depending on whether I've shortened or lengthened the loop, whereas changing a repeating sample playback in a TC2290 leaves the pitch alone. Because I'm rarely performing on a conventional instrument, I can devote my attention to the looping system in such a way that it IS an instrument. Thus I rarely let looped material just "sit" in the musical texture. I often "capture and dump" material at a rapid pace, or I may capture several simultaneous loops of contrasting materials and bring them in and out of the mix. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 07:26:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32021; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:06:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Re:Newbie question; the live approach Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:53:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5BuhBB.A.ouH.I-yH8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Chris Olden wrote: > > I wanted to ask the listers about their approach to looping in a > >live setting. To me, being on stage with a looping rig is like "being a teacher instead of a being a writer". I mean, you have to let people see what you are doing, not simply letting them hear sounds from the PA system. Traditional instruments like guitar, sax and voice are already visual enough, but you can do a lot to enhance performance values of other, more discrete, sounds sources you are using. So instead of using a CD player connected to my looping rig I prefer to keep sounds on cassettes and use a small portable cassette tape player to bring those sounds into the rig. If I'm "playing" an electric guitar I'll simply hold the tape machine close to the pickups and if I'm "playing" the saxophone I would bring the tape machines little speaker up close to the mic. But of course there is also this other concept where you want random to play a big part besides musicians jamming. I would rather call this "an installation" than a "performance". I've done this only a little and hope to get the opportunity for more "sound installation gigs". In this scenario microphones hidden out among the audience are also going into the loops. So if someone is saying "what the hell does this guy think he's doing" while I'm in record mode on the EDP or Repeater - that spoken line will as well start looping back. Sound leakage and overhearing between microphones can also start off cool things while passing through delay lines or picking up room ambience. If you leave a "sound on sound" loop for a long time it picks up the "voice of the room" when certain frequencies, that are more heavily reflected in that room, start to take over. I once put two tape recorders with a several meters long tape loop in an art gallerie and after some three hours they started howling like a bunch of tortured ghosts - until the owner ran out an disconncted everything ;-> ("scaring customers from looking at the art") /per boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 10:22:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12988; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:01:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:01:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04a001c187d3$eaf1aa00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200112141910.OAA32751@hemlock.violacea.com><007e01c184f1$d519b0e0$c963f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:54:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard, you have led a most fascinating life! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES > At 2:51 PM -0800 12/14/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > > >How about a FIRST LOOOPING MEMORIES THREAD? > > To put this time line in perspective, I was born in 1946, started > elementary school in 1950, and graduated high school in 1963: > > Long before I ever became aware of looping per se as musical process, > I had a fondness for "weird" science fiction movie music and novelty > sound effects. I was a regular listener to the Big John and Sparky > radio program (1950-58), wherein Sparky's voice was a sped-up > recording, and marveled at the sounds of theremin and homebrew > electronics in films such as The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951), > Invaders from Mars (1953), Forbidden Planet (1956). > > The first time I ever saw someone demonstrate double tracking was on > the Walt Disney TV show, circa 1955. Peggy Lee did the voices of the > two Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp. Around this same time I used > to hear Les Paul and Mary Ford's jingles for Robert Hall clothes on > the radio. Lots of multitracking and tape-speed manipulation. > > When "The Witch Doctor" came out in 1958 I became a big fan of David > Saville, and after he released the "Chipmunk Song" later that year my > friends and I started playing around with tape recorders to imitate > chipmunk voices. But this was just a lot of fooling around; my only > real musical activity from childhood through high school was as a > singer. > > It wasn't until my late teens that I got serious. In 1965 I got > psychedelicized, both chemically and intellectually, and in 1966 I > started playing quasi-professionally in a band. Although the band > itself was strictly folk rock/psychedelic with guitars (a little > banjo), bass, drums, and vocals, my listening went far beyond. During > 1966-67 I rapidly got an education about electronic music, musique > concrete, and live electroacoustic music. Pieces that were essential > to this education were Steve Reich's "Come Out" (1966), Pauline > Oliveros's "I of IV" (1967), Luciano Berio's "Thema (Omaggio a > Joyce)" (1958). > > In 1969 I saw/heard John Cage and David Tudor perform with the Merce > Cunningham Dance Company and I composed my first multimedia piece for > film with four spatially-separated tapes of manipulated sounds. I > followed this with a film for three synchronized films, an adaptation > of an Ionesco play called "Salutation" for three actors. Many of the > techniques and compositional structures in this film were related to > musical loop processes, i.e. layering, repetition, multiple > perspectives on the same material. > > After a few years playing more straight-ahead rock music and making > more straight-ahead films I found myself in Santa Cruz in 1975 and > enrolled in Cabrillo College, where the music department had a New > Music Ensemble and an Audio Arts program directed by Bob Beede. Bob > had a Buchla Music Easel, and I started performing with him and a few > others. A lot of what we played was improvised "pattern music," > inspired by Terry Riley, Steve Reich, and other so-called > "minimalists." Our typical setup used a delay system made of two > 4-track reel-to-reel decks with the tape treaded between them. As I > recall, we didn't normally use regeneration on the signal path, so > the effect was mainly a straight canonic repetition with only a small > amount of feedback due to bleed into the microphones. Having four > tracks of tape allowed us to have individual delays routed to their > own speakers in a quad sound system. On one piece we had short delays > from two playback heads of Machine #1 in the front channels and long > delays from Machine #2 in the rear channels. > > I moved to San Diego in 1977 to attend graduate school, and for two > years I lived with Paul Dresher. Paul was very much into tape delay > systems at the time. At home he would play guitar through a funky > system in his bedroom, using a couple of cheap old tape decks, but in > the tape studio at school he was using the half-inch 4-track (with > erase head defeated) for some serious loopage. These experiments led > to the design of his 4-track performance looper, based on a modified > TASCAM 40-4 deck and a voltage controlled matrix mixer. A pair of > long metal arms supported a 20-30" tape loop, and in addition to the > stock Record and Playback heads, the tape deck had and additional > Playback head mounted at the halfway point in the loop. The outputs > and feedback paths from each of the three heads could be controlled > through the VCA mixer by means of a set of 24 foot pedals, and the > signal routing was done manually with push buttons. This system was > built in collaboration with music department technician (and > guitarist) Paul Tydelski. It is the system Bill Walker referred to > at the Kuumbwa gig in 1984. > > Partly because Paul was becoming such an obvious master at tape-based > looping, I followed different avenues. I spent a lot of hours working > with the school's Buchla 100 Series modular system, which had four > analog step sequencers. I also did a lot of work with tape loops as > part of some of my tape pieces, but most of the time this was used to > prolong individual transient sounds from percussion instruments and > the like. I also used some loops in the backing tape for the Diamanda > Galas piece "Panoptikon" (1982), turning the sound of her ring > modulated voice into a huge chugging engine from hell. > > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 11:20:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16627; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c187da$c6f43d00$17903b3e@remco> From: "Remco" To: Subject: OT: CD-promo Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:43:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C187E3.267DF740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C187E3.267DF740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, I've got an off topic question concerning a CD release. I'm in the = process of releasing my first indie-solo album (about next month). Are = there any Loopers out there who have similair experiences and have = tips/hints for me? I'm looking for (online) magazines/radioshows etc. = that review ambient/loopy music. Any help would be greatly appreciated. = I'm totally in the dark when it come to promotion. Peace, Remco Helbers www.editionblue.com ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C187E3.267DF740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
I've got an off topic question = concerning a CD=20 release. I'm in the process of releasing my first indie-solo album = (about next=20 month). Are there any Loopers out there who have similair experiences = and have=20 tips/hints for me? I'm looking for (online) magazines/radioshows etc. = that=20 review ambient/loopy music. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm = totally=20 in the dark when it come to promotion.
 
Peace,
 
Remco Helbers
 
www.editionblue.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C187E3.267DF740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 11:53:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20402; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F5340@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: CD-promo radio opportunity Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:24:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C187E0.6FCD8AD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C187E0.6FCD8AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, i thought I would pass this on to the vs list as it may be a great opportunity for airplay for people on the list.Send them an email and mail your cD's in. Thanks Denis Denis taaffe http://www.dtguitar.com aliengr@hotmail.com LinuxRadio plays music of artists who are not your mainstream artists, but who think in an "Open Source" manner. Anyone who holds the copyright or performance rights of music are invited to submit them to LinuxRadio for possible airplay. Since we abide by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) rules, we want to be sure we have the permission of the owners or artists of the music we play. We are proud to list the artists so you will know who you are listening to. Please submit your music to music@linuxradio.info I'm looking for (online) magazines/radioshows etc. that review ambient/loopy music. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm totally in the dark when it come to promotion. Peace, Remco Helbers www.editionblue.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C187E0.6FCD8AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
   

Hi,

i thought I would pass this on to the vs list as it may be a great opportunity for airplay for people on the list.Send them an email and mail your cD's in.

Thanks

Denis

Denis taaffe

http://www.dtguitar.com

aliengr@hotmail.com

LinuxRadio plays music of artists who are not your mainstream artists, but who think in an "Open Source" manner. Anyone who holds the copyright or performance rights of music are invited to submit them to LinuxRadio for possible airplay. Since we abide by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) rules, we want to be sure we have the permission of the owners or artists of the music we play. We are proud to list the artists so you will know who you are listening to.

Please submit your music to music@linuxradio.info

I'm looking for (online) magazines/radioshows etc. that review ambient/loopy music. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm totally in the dark when it come to promotion.
 
Peace,
 
Remco Helbers
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C187E0.6FCD8AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 14:18:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31909; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.16567e99.2950e6cf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:37:03 EST Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; the live approach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com richard z. said, among other things: >Almost all of the live looping I do is improvisational, here, too --- though, in some of my solo performances in the '90's, i've add'ly triggered previously improvised loops w/a sampler..... and, now i'll re-use loops (that were originally improvised) on the repeater's CFC, sometimes during the same session, sometimes later. >and almost >all of that has been me capturing loops of other people's performance >or of recorded sources. over the past years, that's become an increasingly important portion of my looping-thing --- i set up various (& sometimes, random) mics & sends onstage (or, in the studio) that feed my mixer, for looping & processing..... i've also got 2 switchable mics built into my main gtr, which can be bent to this purpose, as well as having a switchable 1/4-inch *input* on the gtr..... live, i loop w/ 1 repeater, 1 edp and 1 lexicon pcm42. (and, the gtr input can also be used as a 'pure' electronic feedback loop, when the gtr /amp signal is sent back to the gtr). live processing is w/a lexicon pcm80, an electrix filter factory, a korg electribe ES1, a moogerfooger ring mod & various other pedal-devices..... and, all the processed material is further processed by vacuum-tube gtr amps. >but I'm more inclined to capture short loops of another >performer's phrases. same, here..... though, often i *am* the other performer: *-) and, i've found it to be a wad of fun to create single-loops from a broad variety of available inputs --- the repeater is certainly great, for that, as one can choose to do that (or not) using the multiple tracks..... >Because I'm rarely performing on a conventional instrument, I can >devote my attention to the looping system in such a way that it IS an >instrument. personally, i've always found this to be my favored approach, even when playing a conventional instrument..... the key issue, there, being fluid 'integration'. >Thus I rarely let looped material just "sit" in the >musical texture. there is, i think, a certain particular art in animating the looping instruments' outputs, even when exercising quasi-drone kindsa materials..... >I often "capture and dump" material at a rapid pace, >or I may capture several simultaneous loops of contrasting materials >and bring them in and out of the mix. again: ditto! though, sometimes i just let the loops 'hang', or 'groove'..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 14:33:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01692; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:04:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:04:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <133.6690ee4.2950eb93@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:57:23 EST Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT: CD-promo) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Remco, I really don't think your topic is so "off" as all of that... In a message dated 12/18/01 7:48:32 AM, crossfate@zonnet.nl writes: >I've got an off topic question concerning a CD release. I'm in the process >of releasing my first indie-solo album (about next month). Are there any >Loopers out there who have similair experiences and have tips/hints for >me? I'm looking for (online) magazines/radioshows etc. that review ambient/ >loopy music. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm totally in the dark when >it come to promotion. I hardly qualify as an expert in this. I only released my first commercially available CD in July. But I sort of started this thread, so I feel responsible. If I happen to say something really stooopid please forgive and excuse. Well, the sort of music you are creating/recording matters a lot. It'll probably be of only marginal value to send a CD of ambient music to a death-metal e-zine or radio program specializing in polka music (unless you happen to be into ambient death-polka ... hmmm... sounds kinda interesting). But that's a no brainer. Search the web for radio stations that have shows featuring your sort of music and fire off a CD addressed to the "music director" of that show. You don't HAVE to know the name of the individual (but it sure helps if you can find a specific contact name). Include a little "press" blurb with a polite, professional request for consideration (remember they are doing YOU the favor, not the other way around) and don't forget to give them an easy way to send notification back to you should you get lucky. E-mail is wonderful. It costs them no postage to send you a playlist and (if they're feeling generous) some nice words about what they think of your music. The minuscule label my CD came out on gets e-mailed playlists all of the time and forwards them to me. I belong to ASCAP and want to keep track of these so I can possibly have whatever tiny little bit of money paid me from this that I can (however insignificant). Joining an organization like ASCAP is pretty painless and has the added benefit of making you look more like a professional when sending out promotional materials. It's something to consider at least. I'm glad I did it. Maybe it'll help you. So far as I can tell, public radio stations (NPR, etc.) associated with institutions of learning (colleges and universities) are more agreeable to putting unsolicited, submitted material on the airwaves. If your music is of a little more adventurous, left-of-center, underrepresented variety this usually directly speaks to their own "mission statements." And, at the same time, some young underpaid (or even volunteer) DJs are often secretly dying to put something new, different, maybe even a little "dangerous" before their listeners. Of course, there are some who are only out to put on the best "alterna-corporate rock" soundtrack for their buddies at the next frat party -- who knows. It can work both ways. But I'd count on college radio anyway to deal better with something "new" if that's what you do. And, don't underestimate foreign radio stations. I'm continually surprised by how much more adventurous people are elsewhere in terms of the different things they are willing to expose themselves to and try. Perhaps I shouldn't be. We seem to be such lemmings here in the USA sometimes that it saddens me. Of course the messages and reviews that may come back to you will come in a language that you may not speak...but so what. I'm thrilled that scattered little groups of people from Bosnia to Brisbane are hearing my music. It's a kick. My CD went out to a mailing list carefully collected over the years by the individual that runs the label: Southern California avant garde trumpeter Jeff Kaiser. He is my good friend and he has asked that I not share his mailing list with anybody. So indeed, I won't. Sorry. But it shouldn't be to hard to start carefully generating your own mailing list. It's all a matter of research and the web is the single greatest new tool for research I can imagine. The information is all there if you know the right questions to ask. And, if you got my e-mail the other day that started this thread you got a list of 17 radio stations (and the cities that they're in) that play some pretty doggone weird stuff. It shouldn't be too hard to put the pieces together and find the addresses for these stations online (and the names of various radio shows, DJs and music directors). That was sort of part of my intention in "sharing the joy" the other day...hint, hint. So, what's the benefit in getting radio airplay? Well, honestly, not a lot more than the "thrill" of having gotten it (so far for me anyway). The label I'm on doesn't have big-league distribution. And, to make matters worse, the "shopping mechanism" on their website has been down for a month. But I can definitely see a real peak in interest reflected in the "stats" for my MP3.com web page after every occasion my music has been played somewhere. My CD came out in July and the tracks up there have already had over 600 downloads. There is a definite pattern of "spikes" in interest following broadcasts. So I have to believe that a few of those are turning into customers ... or might at some point (especially if they can begin buying the CD with a credit card again at the label's website). I hold out no more hope for it than that. I'll never be a rich and famous at this. It's too late for me in that regard anyway. I'm not young and pretty anymore -- I'm a 48 year old white male and getting older all of the time -- no changing that. Also, I'm an amateur ... in the best sense of the word. The original root word "ama" comes from the Latin word that means love: amor. An amateur is a person who does something for the love of the thing itself -- and that's me. Of course it would be nice to be "surprised" by fame and fortune. But I can hardly expect it at this point. I've gotta find my motivations elsewhere (or be open to them finding me). Besides I have a pretty interesting "day job." I hope this is of some help. Best, Ted Killian www.mp3.com/TedKillian www.pfmentum.com/flux.html www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 14:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02352; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:11:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:09:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: re.Looping Memories Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Richard Z.! PS.. Ting Tang Walla Walla bing bang From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 14:52:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02172; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:09:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:09:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:07:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Richard, you must not have down too much damage to your brain with chemicals. Your memory is far too elephantine for that. Thanks for the historic perspective on events that for me are now just fuzzy memories. chillyb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 16:22:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12341; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:01:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:53:47 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: chrisolden@hotmail.com X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: re: loop instrument X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Because I'm rarely performing on a conventional instrument, I can >devote my attention to the looping system in such a way that it IS an >instrument. Thus I rarely let looped material just "sit" in the >musical texture. I often "capture and dump" material at a rapid pace, >or I may capture several simultaneous loops of contrasting materials >and bring them in and out of the mix. Chris- I am interested in this way of looking at looping 'as an instrument'. I am working on processes and tools to help bring fluidity into looping. May I ask, what kind of interface would you like to see in a loop instrument? How do you see yourself 'playing' such an instrument? What form would it have? How would you interact? What about collaboration with other people? In your vision, could more than one person be playing the loop instrument at a time? For example, I grew up improvising piano, so it is easy for me to imagine an interface where new loops are automatically mapped across a keyboard, allowing me to 'play' them. I also grew up programming, so I can relate to an interface with macro-like commands like 'F1B4' fade loop 1 out over four counts. Right now I'm looking at core principles for loop technology. Here are some thoughts: Everything is breathing There is no final product Only the rhythm of returning Only the growth of resonance Mill - Sawdust Process - Byproduct MILL "The Circular Process by which Grooves are Cut" the process by which the process is developed is itself the process. there is no stable architecture. the song is the singing. DISC EROS- wheels revolving within wheels, imprinted with sound, synchronized by crystal clocks time becomes resonant dream antenna basic principles? * Individuality. -different physical arrangements expose process- UI decoupled from core process. A guitarist plays it differently than a keyboardist. * Fluidity- the loop process does not disrupt the channel by forcing structure. does not take the improviser away from his flow. * Simplicity- honor limits. * Community- encourage collaboration. * History- there is no product to store, only the reverberations of the past. material that is unused, fades away. equally, processes and experiments that are fruitless, fade away. * Association- loops are linked to one another by their use together. when two loops are sounding together, this creates a magnetic link between. loops self-organize into a network based on the activities of the conductor (that's you!). this helps the conductor to find related loops fluidly. * Ant medicine- things grow in their own rhythm, take small steps. many thanks, -yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 16:27:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12785; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:06:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:06:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:58:49 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:07 AM -0800 12/18/01, William R. Walker, wrote: >you must not have down too much damage to your brain with chemicals. >Your memory is far too elephantine for that. I do have trouble remembering from one moment to the next, however. Maybe that's why I like looping; it reminds me of what I just did. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 16:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12946; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:07:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:07:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:56:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: re.Looping Memories In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <0nO0tD.A.7-C.746H8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM -0800 12/18/01, William R. Walker, wrote: >Hey Richard Z.! >PS.. Ting Tang Walla Walla bing bang A bit of David Saville trivia: Saville's real name is Ross Bagdasarian. He was the nephew of author William Saroyan, with whom he wrote the song "Come on a My House." The 1951 record, produced by Mitch Miller, was a runaway hit for Rosemary Clooney (George Clooney's aunt). To show just how intertwined the music world is: Rosemary Clooney was a regular on "Your Hit Parade." The show's band leader was Raymond Scott, the inventor of several early electronic music instruments including what may have been the first sequencer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 17:57:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19827; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:36:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:36:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:20:08 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: re: loop instrument In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: swirlee@angelfire.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: chrisolden@hotmail.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:53 PM -0800 12/18/01, Jan Pek wrote: >I am interested in this way of looking at looping 'as an >instrument'. I am working on processes and tools to help bring >fluidity into looping. May I ask, what kind of interface would you >like to see in a loop instrument? How do you see yourself 'playing' >such an instrument? What form would it have? How would you interact? I'm not sure if I should be the one to respond (you quote my comments) or if Chris Olden should (your message was cc'ed and directed to him) or if we all should have a whack at it (I expect the latter). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 21:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03887; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:10:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1FE70E.AC390684@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:02:06 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Central Coast Looping Music Festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: bookings@slobrew.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <6emi0B.A.s2.3V_H8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Naci- On Saturday March 2nd, 2002 San Luis Obispo will be the site of the first ever Central Coast Looping Music Festival, which will be a gathering of individuals who make music using delays to achieve rhythmic and non-rhythmic loops as a basis for musical expression. At present there are 15 individuals, mostly from the West Coast but also from as far away as Brazil, who are currently signed up to participate in the event. This event will serve as a chance for these "Loopers," as we are known, to share our unique and diverse form of music with each other and with the local community. The reason I am contacting you is that I would like to give SLO Brew the first chance at hosting this event. I envision it as an all-day affair beginning at noon with demos of key looping equipment by their developers, proceeding with performances through the day, and culminating with night-time performances by the professional musicians participating in the event. While I realize that looping music is certainly a niche and most likely a foreign concept to most people in the community, I feel that liberal use of advertising and the media could generate interest to draw a large enough crowd to SLO Brew to make this show worthwhile. Similar events held in Santa Cruz, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area have all been successful, and another loop festival is being planned for New York City. Please consider this proposal, and let me know what you think about the idea. I realize that you will need to hear examples of the music before making a decision, so I will gather demos from as many participants as I can for you to listen to. Please also check out the following website: www.loopers-delight.com for more information about loop-based music. I hope to hear from you soon whether or not you agree that SLO Brew would be the right place to hold this event. Thanks and Happy Holidays, Hans Lindauer hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 22:43:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08888; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:20:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:20:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C1FF09A.EC2C6957@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:42:50 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Central Coast Loop Fest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Rick Walker , Max Valentino , Loopers Delight , Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , Steven Rice , Stan Card , Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro , Mark Hamburg , Miko Biffle , Richard Zvonar , Bill Walker From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, You may have read my e-mail (or will soon, if you get the digest) to the booking agent of one of the local bars, which I cc:'d to Looper's Delight, trying to get him to let us have the CCLF at SLO Brewing Company. If such is the case, you may have noticed that at the end of the message I promised him a demo of the music we will be creating at the festival. So at this time I would like to ask everybody who is still interested in participating to either e-mail me a link to your music on-line, or to snail-mail me a CD to: Hans Lindauer 549 Los Osos Valley Rd. Los Osos, CA 93402 Please be aware that I intend to burn this material to CD, but only to try to get a [free] venue and/or sponsorships to cover any costs, at this time. MP3-quality tunes should suffice for this purpose, as time is of the essence for this phase of the project. As the event draws nearer, I would like to put together a CD-quality disk to distribute to radio stations and print media to try to get some free press for the event (and for you). So if you send me a link to your music, please also mail me a CD and press packet, if possible. Matthias Grob has e-mailed me to let me know that he may be in the area at the time of the event, and if he can make it he has offered to demo the Echoplex Digital Pro with the new Loop 4 software. This presents the idea of a looper's workshop. It would be nice if others would volunteer to demonstrate their looper(s) of choice in a non-performance setting. I'd like to thank everyone who has shown interest - you may notice that the participant list has grown since the last time I posted to LD concerning the festival. Thanks especially to Rick Walker for planting the seed of this idea. Here's everybody so far: Rick Walker Miko Biffle Max Valentino Rich Atkinson Ted Killian Steven Rice Stan Card Jon Wagner Bill Walker Richard Zvonar Tom Heasley Mark Sottilaro Matthias Grob Mark Hamburg Hans Lindauer -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 23:38:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14939; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:16:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:16:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2013B1.74359EF4@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:12:34 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: acousti-q preamp References: <200112190231.VAA05068@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been following the thread here on battery-powered preamps for acoustic guitar. I'm looking for a 2-channel preamp/blender, but it doesn't need to be battery-powered. A unit that's caught my eye is the Presonus Acousti-Q, which is billed as a 2-channel tube preamp blender for acoustic instruments. I've been able to find very little on it. Only what's at Harmony Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2001/Acousti-Q.html It's not even clear to me that it's commercially available, although music123 lists it in their catalog. Has anyone tried one of these? Any comments on usuability and sound? If it makes any difference, I'd be running a Fishman RareEarth Blender into it, and from there into a Repeater (see, I got the looping stuff in the back door !!!) Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 01:40:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24659; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:19:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:19:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: the live approach Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:12:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3d.16567e99.2950e6cf@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6VFM-.A.47F.f_CI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, here's one: I am without a New Year's gig, so I jumped at the chance to audition on short notice at a local Irish pub (very small) this evening . . . brought the Echoplex as well as the laptop for sequences. Started with an Irish favorite (The Wild Rover) on acoustic guitar and harmonica, played Brown Eyed Girl with a sequence (but without the harmonizer--not in the rack and I had no time to put it in before the audition--boy I miss the harmonizer on stuff like that tune), asked for requests, bla bla . . . used the looper for AABA of White Christmas (recorded rhythm while soloing with harmonica, then soloed on guitar) and also for a live fadeout of All Night Long by Lionel Ritchie (on a whim--I have an ending programmed, but wanted to end on less of a bang, so I looped two bars and noodled over it). All this while wearing my Looper's Delight T-shirt. No one flinched or raised an eyebrow, so we're talking transparent here. I guess the bottom line is, if it didn't sound bad, they didn't notice (!). Guess I shoulda gone off the deep end . . . no, wait, it was an audition! Fiddle gig on Thursday--more reports from the front line--wish me luck for Irish New Year's (I am sure that Auld Lang Syne is OK even in an Irish pub on New Year's Eve). Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 02:13:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26128; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:51:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:51:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:42:56 -0800 Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04a001c187d3$eaf1aa00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My introduction to looping was Steve Reich's It's Gonna Rain, and Violin Phase, which I think I started playing around '86 or so. In 1992, after having spent a couple of years in a major symphony orchestra, and discovering that wasn't where I was going to get myself expressed, two important things happened for me, almost simultaneously... One was a grant that I won from the State Universities of New York, which amounted to a $7000 check to buy gear and experiment. That's when I bought my first set of Lexicons and Midi-pedals (midigators, both.) and when I made my first electronic tunes in the midst of Bulent Arel's studios at the SUNY at Stony Brook, where I got my Masters. Second was being hired as a member of Steve Reich's band and getting the best chance of all to be acquainted with the man and his music, both of which I happily relate continue to contribute great inspiration and influence. Now my sense of time fails me, but around then, I believe, I met Robert Black, (New Music Bass soloist for Bang On a Can and many others) who was then working with Richard Zvonar. He introduced us and during one or two visits to California, Richard graciously invited me to come make some music with him at his place, where he really expanded my head as to larger concepts of looping, much of which he explains in his own post to this thread. Richard also exposed me to MAX, and set me up with the folks at Eventide who welcomed me to their office to try the gear, and I even took an H-3000 home and made a piece relevant to grant I had received... So I always thank Richard... Then I put electronics down as I decided to cut my teeth on the jazz language, and about 7 years later chose to put it all together and now I find myself looping my ass off again, and even in my written, composed music, especially my string quartet, looping is always foundationally present. I'm finding as I think we all are, that our community is growing and I love these threads which expose our histories and thoughts on the loop... I've also learned so much from Torn and Phil Kline over the last few years... I now produce my own 'new music theater show' which includes my own loop-based music and music of others including phil kline, evan ziporyn, and theo bleckmann, a vocal looper. I'll include the sites below, if you are interested. Two bass clarinetists, two actors, and a vocalist, and me. I direct it from the inside and play as well. I use a technique called sound painting, a sign language for conducting improvisers designed by Walter Thompson. It consists of over 700 gestures to be used across disciplines to indicate the type of improvisation desired of the performers. As specific or general as called for, this real-time compositional method comes about as close to a looping aesthetic as I can imagine, which is probably why it's such a central part of my 'voice'. Thanks for reading, looking forward to the next posts... Todd Reynolds Links: http://www.theobleckmann.com http://www.ziporyn.com http://www.mindspring.com/~boombox http://www.toddreynolds.com -- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 02:14:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26260; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:51:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:51:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:42:56 -0800 Subject: Re: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the spirit of kim's statements about moderating the group ourselves... I have always been amazed at dt's great spirit in participating in the conversation, and I, too, check out many of his posts just to hear a real 'educated by intense experience' type of viewpoint. I also feel the same about kim and matthias and others, for the record. I am once again amazed by a real patient and sane response by mr. Torn, especially given the strength and heat of some of pb's inflammatory comments. It sounds like dt is on the responsibility-taking tip. For pb, however, I'm not sure this will ever be over... Sad that this all devolves into personal stuff, but I must wonder if this is not about the proposed topic at all, rather perhaps a favorite toy stolen at 5 years old, or some other regret. todd On 12/17/01 9:07 AM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" wrote: > pbadore@rochester.rr.com writes: >> I don't like people left and right e-mailing my private address. > > as it's been a while, i can't really remember why i emailed you, privately > --- maybe it was because this had become so clearly 'off-topic', maybe it was > merely another of my mistakes. > > pb>I dislike LD for printing them. I occasionally make exceptions but this > is not one >> of them. During this past month I debated whether to reply to this or not >> and have obviously decided. I would appreciate it if you would leave me > alone >> after this, and if you attempt to do otherwise I'll delete your message >> unread. Feel free to submit a copy of this to LD as I don't feel like >> resubscribing just for the sake of one letter. > > i'll admit that i'm confused, here, again --- maybe you could let me know if > you receive this email; > i will post it to LD, w/your post intact --- as maybe you'll only see it, > there, presuming that you continue to scan the LD archives..... > > pb>> >What about *interpretation*, the key issue here? I resent your sarcasm >>>> represented by the asterisks, > > dt>> on the subject of interpretation --- i use asterisks in my email to > merely >>> *stress* a word, not for sarcasm. >>> i'm not a sarcastic guy. > > pb>I seem to recall "elecTORNica". Everyone is sarcastic one way or another. > > that wasn't meant as sarcasm, just cheap humor. > > > pb>There is also no need for you to stress anything. Just write your messages >> straight. > > well, that's how i speak, as well --- with exaggerated dynamics; though, i > have often been accused of verbal ellipsis. > > > pb>> >but I also apologize if I wasn't clear enough >>>> at the beginning. > > dt>> don't worry; we're just talking, & i apparently misunderstood your >>> intentions. > > pb>> >I assure everyone I'm not crazy or making this up when >>>> I say I found a few downloads on either LD (might have been CD1 but >> they're >>>> deleted) or off Elephant Talk but can't recall exactly where. > > i *certainly* never said nor implied anything about anyone being 'crazy'. > > > pb>> >Earlier >>>> today >>>> I made a search but to no avail. But these people labelled their work >>>> "Soundscapes" in relation to KC material. Hence my comments. > > dt>> is that where this started? >>> again --- i had no idea that this is what you were talking about referring >>> to --- >>> confusion. > > pb>Then why did you get involved in the first place? > > i got involved, as i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i thought > was new at LD) might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to > slavishly aping robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; > i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a > particular website; > my mistake! > > > pb>I've looked at the >> archives and notice there's rarely a subject you haven't added your two >> cents to. > > well, this may be wrong, but..... i am trying to continue w/some kinda > participitation in/contribution to the looping-'community', and, since i do > this looping-thing pretty much every day, i figure there ought to be *some* > useful-to-somebody-bits in a portion of the crap that i spout..... but, maybe > not: > that's one risk that i continue to take --- that of being an ass, and > publicly so. > > > pb>The original subject was "KC in SF - No Loop Content". Naturally >> Crimsonesque & Frippesque terms were bound to be used. Aside from our >> argument I've probably inputted about three times and only if it's something >> I was familiar with. You don't see me blabbing about David Torn, do you? >> Unless, of course, he tried to attack me with some stupid misinterpretation >> of my comments! If you don't know or care to know about something, STAY >> OUT >> OF IT!!! (Now THAT's stress!) > > pb>> >But > > dt>> why, but? > > pb>Why not? Again, I don't really want to know. > > pb>> >let's put your original thoughts in a proper perspective. If I said: >>>> "Hey you motherfuckin' asshole loopers! You don't know shit about what >>>> you're doin'! All you're doing is copying soundscapes which was invented >>>> by the great Robert Fripp years ago after he created Frippertronics. >>>> Copycat candyasses!" >>>> NOW I deserve every counterattack from the past couple of days! However, >>>> I accept your apology; but please keep in mind you started a precedent > > > dt>> if i started a precedent, that precedent was not meant as a personal >>> attack, > > > pb>But ya DID, Blanche, ya DID make a personal attack! > > well, that was truly unintentional; > i thought that i was addressing what appeared to be an 'issue' --- at least, > for me. > and: > i have every hope & confidence that your personal & musical contributions to > this screwy world are broadly valuable, either now or in the future. > > > dt>> just my thoughts & responses presented in this environment which >> encourages >>> the exchange of ideas. > > > pb>Yeah, at my expense. > > that's not at all what i meant to do; that's the mistake for which i > apologise. > > > dt>> i am indeed sorry that you perceived it otherwise; >>> i meant no personal harm. > > > pb>> >that >>>> fortunately is now waning, aside from Sottilaro's continuing childishness >>>> which has long worn out (even I stopped the hanky lines). Our society >>>> today enjoys attacking itself and who cares if there's no real reason >> for >>>> it? > > so, why, then, would you stoop to attacking mark sottilaro's innocently > good-humored posts? > > > > dt>> actually, there was a reason for my response, which i tried to make > clear. > > > pb>No, you didn't. > > i *tried* to make it clear. to reiterate: > i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i thought was new at LD) > might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to slavishly aping > robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; > i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a > particular website; > my mistake! > > > pb>> >I'm also sorry I wasted everyone's time, including my own. Once I had >>>> gotten everything together I was hoping to put something on LD, but >> now >>>> everything's gone to waste. Perhaps in time I'll either return or - >> more >>>> likely - find another outlet for my music. > > i sincerely hope that you find an outlet for your music, at LD or otherwise. > > > dt>> while i'm not sure that i consider LD as an outlet for music, it is a > good >>> place for expressing ideas / information / thoughts, as regards looping & >>> such; there are *many* threads besides this one (see the archives), and i >>> think it might be the only net-place that is really loop-centric --- >>> sorry if you are somehow dissuaded from hanging. > > > pb>"Somehow"?? I'm a villain because of your assumption and don't argue this! > > i certainly do *not* perceive you as a villain! > i perceive you as someone with whom i've had a somewhat obtuse verbal > misunderstanding. > > > pb>I admit I'm hardly what you'd call a professional, but does that mean > people >> of your caliber need to look down your noses at people of mine? > > i do not 'look down my nose' at you; i was --- or, so i thought --- trying to > bring another perspective to the discussion. > > > pb>It strikes me odd that you have so much time on your hands to participate > in this! > > huh? > > > pb>Even Fripp only contributes to ET once every few years! > > ..... does that statement imply that you believe that i should, as a rule, > follow his example? while i love & respect RF, that is not gonna happen: > different strokes, etc. > > > pb>I am disgusted that LD has turned into both a forum for you (a lot of > gushing) > > well, if ya hung around, it'd be a forum for you, too..... as it seems to be > for other folks. > > > pb>and a commercial site for the Repeater > > actually, i'd say that the majority of posts relate directly to the EDP, > though repeater has (naturally, due to its recent release date) made a strong > showing, as have the jamman, boomerang, line6, orville, bossRC20, kyma, acid, > headrush, etc etc..... > > > pb>(a piece of shit, if you ask me). > > while not perfect -(but what looper is everything, to all users?)- i'm quite > happy with my repeater --- it's been a very, very useful tool, for me, among > others. > > > pb>I used to work voluntarily as a DJ at a radio station in the Rochester >> Institute of Technology and found nothing there but a bunch of technical >> yesmen who all said the same thing. That's why I left LD: Last month >> was a rerun of those horrible days (although I gotta admit, the debates that >> resulted did bring some humanity to the dullness). > > i'm sorry to hear of the recall of bad memories, and of the dullness. > > > dt>> best, >>> dt / s-c > > pb>I'd hate to see your worst. >> PB > > damn, that's cold. > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 02:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26735; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:58:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:58:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c1885a$be264da0$7f52e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F5340@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: CD-promo radio opportunity Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:59:45 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C18830.D50D2220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C18830.D50D2220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You'll find links to most of the best ambient review, etc... sites though here http://www.dreamstate.to/links.htm Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE I'm looking for (online) magazines/radioshows etc. that review = ambient/loopy music. 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I'm looking for (online) = magazines/radioshows=20 etc. that review ambient/loopy music. Any help would be greatly = appreciated.=20 I'm totally in the dark when it come to promotion.
 
Peace,
 
Remco Helbers
 
www.editionblue.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C18830.D50D2220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 07:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16157; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:45:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: normand.charette@citicorp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:38:12 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, toddreynolds@rcn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-2ac15ddf-00000002 Resent-Message-ID: <1U_SW.A.fyD.wpII8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --openmail-part-2ac15ddf-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: toddreynolds [SMTP:toddreynolds@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: toddreynolds Subject: Re: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript In the spirit of kim's statements about moderating the group ourselves... I have always been amazed at dt's great spirit in participating in the conversation, and I, too, check out many of his posts just to hear a real 'educated by intense experience' type of viewpoint. I also feel the same about kim and matthias and others, for the record. I am once again amazed by a real patient and sane response by mr. Torn, especially given the strength and heat of some of pb's inflammatory comments. It sounds like dt is on the responsibility-taking tip. For pb, however, I'm not sure this will ever be over... Sad that this all devolves into personal stuff, but I must wonder if this is not about the proposed topic at all, rather perhaps a favorite toy stolen at 5 years old, or some other regret. todd On 12/17/01 9:07 AM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" wrote: > pbadore@rochester.rr.com writes: >> I don't like people left and right e-mailing my private address. > > as it's been a while, i can't really remember why i emailed you, privately > --- maybe it was because this had become so clearly 'off-topic', maybe it was > merely another of my mistakes. > > pb>I dislike LD for printing them. I occasionally make exceptions but this > is not one >> of them. During this past month I debated whether to reply to this or not >> and have obviously decided. I would appreciate it if you would leave me > alone >> after this, and if you attempt to do otherwise I'll delete your message >> unread. Feel free to submit a copy of this to LD as I don't feel like >> resubscribing just for the sake of one letter. > > i'll admit that i'm confused, here, again --- maybe you could let me know if > you receive this email; > i will post it to LD, w/your post intact --- as maybe you'll only see it, > there, presuming that you continue to scan the LD archives..... > > pb>> >What about *interpretation*, the key issue here? I resent your sarcasm >>>> represented by the asterisks, > > dt>> on the subject of interpretation --- i use asterisks in my email to > merely >>> *stress* a word, not for sarcasm. >>> i'm not a sarcastic guy. > > pb>I seem to recall "elecTORNica". Everyone is sarcastic one way or another. > > that wasn't meant as sarcasm, just cheap humor. > > > pb>There is also no need for you to stress anything. Just write your messages >> straight. > > well, that's how i speak, as well --- with exaggerated dynamics; though, i > have often been accused of verbal ellipsis. > > > pb>> >but I also apologize if I wasn't clear enough >>>> at the beginning. > > dt>> don't worry; we're just talking, & i apparently misunderstood your >>> intentions. > > pb>> >I assure everyone I'm not crazy or making this up when >>>> I say I found a few downloads on either LD (might have been CD1 but >> they're >>>> deleted) or off Elephant Talk but can't recall exactly where. > > i *certainly* never said nor implied anything about anyone being 'crazy'. > > > pb>> >Earlier >>>> today >>>> I made a search but to no avail. But these people labelled their work >>>> "Soundscapes" in relation to KC material. Hence my comments. > > dt>> is that where this started? >>> again --- i had no idea that this is what you were talking about referring >>> to --- >>> confusion. > > pb>Then why did you get involved in the first place? > > i got involved, as i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i thought > was new at LD) might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to > slavishly aping robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; > i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a > particular website; > my mistake! > > > pb>I've looked at the >> archives and notice there's rarely a subject you haven't added your two >> cents to. > > well, this may be wrong, but..... i am trying to continue w/some kinda > participitation in/contribution to the looping-'community', and, since i do > this looping-thing pretty much every day, i figure there ought to be *some* > useful-to-somebody-bits in a portion of the crap that i spout..... but, maybe > not: > that's one risk that i continue to take --- that of being an ass, and > publicly so. > > > pb>The original subject was "KC in SF - No Loop Content". Naturally >> Crimsonesque & Frippesque terms were bound to be used. Aside from our >> argument I've probably inputted about three times and only if it's something >> I was familiar with. You don't see me blabbing about David Torn, do you? >> Unless, of course, he tried to attack me with some stupid misinterpretation >> of my comments! If you don't know or care to know about something, STAY >> OUT >> OF IT!!! (Now THAT's stress!) > > pb>> >But > > dt>> why, but? > > pb>Why not? Again, I don't really want to know. > > pb>> >let's put your original thoughts in a proper perspective. If I said: >>>> "Hey you motherfuckin' asshole loopers! You don't know shit about what >>>> you're doin'! All you're doing is copying soundscapes which was invented >>>> by the great Robert Fripp years ago after he created Frippertronics. >>>> Copycat candyasses!" >>>> NOW I deserve every counterattack from the past couple of days! However, >>>> I accept your apology; but please keep in mind you started a precedent > > > dt>> if i started a precedent, that precedent was not meant as a personal >>> attack, > > > pb>But ya DID, Blanche, ya DID make a personal attack! > > well, that was truly unintentional; > i thought that i was addressing what appeared to be an 'issue' --- at least, > for me. > and: > i have every hope & confidence that your personal & musical contributions to > this screwy world are broadly valuable, either now or in the future. > > > dt>> just my thoughts & responses presented in this environment which >> encourages >>> the exchange of ideas. > > > pb>Yeah, at my expense. > > that's not at all what i meant to do; that's the mistake for which i > apologise. > > > dt>> i am indeed sorry that you perceived it otherwise; >>> i meant no personal harm. > > > pb>> >that >>>> fortunately is now waning, aside from Sottilaro's continuing childishness >>>> which has long worn out (even I stopped the hanky lines). Our society >>>> today enjoys attacking itself and who cares if there's no real reason >> for >>>> it? > > so, why, then, would you stoop to attacking mark sottilaro's innocently > good-humored posts? > > > > dt>> actually, there was a reason for my response, which i tried to make > clear. > > > pb>No, you didn't. > > i *tried* to make it clear. to reiterate: > i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i thought was new at LD) > might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to slavishly aping > robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; > i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a > particular website; > my mistake! > > > pb>> >I'm also sorry I wasted everyone's time, including my own. Once I had >>>> gotten everything together I was hoping to put something on LD, but >> now >>>> everything's gone to waste. Perhaps in time I'll either return or - >> more >>>> likely - find another outlet for my music. > > i sincerely hope that you find an outlet for your music, at LD or otherwise. > > > dt>> while i'm not sure that i consider LD as an outlet for music, it is a > good >>> place for expressing ideas / information / thoughts, as regards looping & >>> such; there are *many* threads besides this one (see the archives), and i >>> think it might be the only net-place that is really loop-centric --- >>> sorry if you are somehow dissuaded from hanging. > > > pb>"Somehow"?? I'm a villain because of your assumption and don't argue this! > > i certainly do *not* perceive you as a villain! > i perceive you as someone with whom i've had a somewhat obtuse verbal > misunderstanding. > > > pb>I admit I'm hardly what you'd call a professional, but does that mean > people >> of your caliber need to look down your noses at people of mine? > > i do not 'look down my nose' at you; i was --- or, so i thought --- trying to > bring another perspective to the discussion. > > > pb>It strikes me odd that you have so much time on your hands to participate > in this! > > huh? > > > pb>Even Fripp only contributes to ET once every few years! > > ..... does that statement imply that you believe that i should, as a rule, > follow his example? while i love & respect RF, that is not gonna happen: > different strokes, etc. > > > pb>I am disgusted that LD has turned into both a forum for you (a lot of > gushing) > > well, if ya hung around, it'd be a forum for you, too..... as it seems to be > for other folks. > > > pb>and a commercial site for the Repeater > > actually, i'd say that the majority of posts relate directly to the EDP, > though repeater has (naturally, due to its recent release date) made a strong > showing, as have the jamman, boomerang, line6, orville, bossRC20, kyma, acid, > headrush, etc etc..... > > > pb>(a piece of shit, if you ask me). > > while not perfect -(but what looper is everything, to all users?)- i'm quite > happy with my repeater --- it's been a very, very useful tool, for me, among > others. > > > pb>I used to work voluntarily as a DJ at a radio station in the Rochester >> Institute of Technology and found nothing there but a bunch of technical >> yesmen who all said the same thing. That's why I left LD: Last month >> was a rerun of those horrible days (although I gotta admit, the debates that >> resulted did bring some humanity to the dullness). > > i'm sorry to hear of the recall of bad memories, and of the dullness. > > > dt>> best, >>> dt / s-c > > pb>I'd hate to see your worst. >> PB > > damn, that's cold. > dt / s-c > --openmail-part-2ac15ddf-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcZGVmZjB7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYwXGZzd2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDAgQXJpYWw7 fXtcZjFcZnN3aXNzXGZwcnEyIEFyaWFsO319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsIDtccmVkMFxncmVlbjBc Ymx1ZTI1NTt9DQpcdmlld2tpbmQ0XHVjMVxwYXJkXGNmMVxsYW5nMTAzM1xmMFxmczIwICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgQ2FuIHlvdSB0YWtlIG15IGUtbWFpbCBhZGRyZXNzIG9mZiB5 b3VyIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdC5ccGFyDQpccGFyDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBUaGFu a3NccGFyDQpccGFyDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBub3JtYW5kLmNoYXJldHRlQGNp 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MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, toddreynolds@rcn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-2ac15dd3-00000002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --openmail-part-2ac15dd3-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you please take out my e-mail address off your mailing list thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: toddreynolds [SMTP:toddreynolds@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: toddreynolds Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES My introduction to looping was Steve Reich's It's Gonna Rain, and Violin Phase, which I think I started playing around '86 or so. In 1992, after having spent a couple of years in a major symphony orchestra, and discovering that wasn't where I was going to get myself expressed, two important things happened for me, almost simultaneously... One was a grant that I won from the State Universities of New York, which amounted to a $7000 check to buy gear and experiment. That's when I bought my first set of Lexicons and Midi-pedals (midigators, both.) and when I made my first electronic tunes in the midst of Bulent Arel's studios at the SUNY at Stony Brook, where I got my Masters. Second was being hired as a member of Steve Reich's band and getting the best chance of all to be acquainted with the man and his music, both of which I happily relate continue to contribute great inspiration and influence. Now my sense of time fails me, but around then, I believe, I met Robert Black, (New Music Bass soloist for Bang On a Can and many others) who was then working with Richard Zvonar. He introduced us and during one or two visits to California, Richard graciously invited me to come make some music with him at his place, where he really expanded my head as to larger concepts of looping, much of which he explains in his own post to this thread. Richard also exposed me to MAX, and set me up with the folks at Eventide who welcomed me to their office to try the gear, and I even took an H-3000 home and made a piece relevant to grant I had received... So I always thank Richard... Then I put electronics down as I decided to cut my teeth on the jazz language, and about 7 years later chose to put it all together and now I find myself looping my ass off again, and even in my written, composed music, especially my string quartet, looping is always foundationally present. I'm finding as I think we all are, that our community is growing and I love these threads which expose our histories and thoughts on the loop... I've also learned so much from Torn and Phil Kline over the last few years... I now produce my own 'new music theater show' which includes my own loop-based music and music of others including phil kline, evan ziporyn, and theo bleckmann, a vocal looper. I'll include the sites below, if you are interested. Two bass clarinetists, two actors, and a vocalist, and me. I direct it from the inside and play as well. I use a technique called sound painting, a sign language for conducting improvisers designed by Walter Thompson. It consists of over 700 gestures to be used across disciplines to indicate the type of improvisation desired of the performers. As specific or general as called for, this real-time compositional method comes about as close to a looping aesthetic as I can imagine, which is probably why it's such a central part of my 'voice'. Thanks for reading, looking forward to the next posts... Todd Reynolds Links: http://www.theobleckmann.com http://www.ziporyn.com http://www.mindspring.com/~boombox http://www.toddreynolds.com -- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com --openmail-part-2ac15dd3-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcZGVmZjB7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYwXGZzd2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDAgQXJpYWw7 fXtcZjFcZnN3aXNzXGZwcnEyIEFyaWFsO319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsIDtccmVkMFxncmVlbjBc Ymx1ZTI1NTt9DQpcdmlld2tpbmQ0XHVjMVxwYXJkXGNmMVxsYW5nMTAzM1xmMFxmczIwICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIENhbiB5b3UgcGxlYXNlIHRha2Ugb3V0IG15IGUtbWFpbCBh ZGRyZXNzIG9mZiB5b3VyIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdFxwYXINClxwYXINCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICB0aGFua3NccGFyDQpccGFyDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBub3JtYW5k LmNoYXJldHRlQGNpdGljb3JwLmNvbVxwYXINCiAgICAgICAgICAgICBccGFyDQpccGFyDQpc 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Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:46:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: normand.charette@citicorp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:39:37 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: the live approach MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-2ac16025-00000002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --openmail-part-2ac16025-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: healthquestrecruiter [SMTP:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: healthquestrecruiter Subject: RE: the live approach Hey gang, here's one: I am without a New Year's gig, so I jumped at the chance to audition on short notice at a local Irish pub (very small) this evening . . . brought the Echoplex as well as the laptop for sequences. Started with an Irish favorite (The Wild Rover) on acoustic guitar and harmonica, played Brown Eyed Girl with a sequence (but without the harmonizer--not in the rack and I had no time to put it in before the audition--boy I miss the harmonizer on stuff like that tune), asked for requests, bla bla . . . used the looper for AABA of White Christmas (recorded rhythm while soloing with harmonica, then soloed on guitar) and also for a live fadeout of All Night Long by Lionel Ritchie (on a whim--I have an ending programmed, but wanted to end on less of a bang, so I looped two bars and noodled over it). All this while wearing my Looper's Delight T-shirt. No one flinched or raised an eyebrow, so we're talking transparent here. I guess the bottom line is, if it didn't sound bad, they didn't notice (!). Guess I shoulda gone off the deep end . . . no, wait, it was an audition! Fiddle gig on Thursday--more reports from the front line--wish me luck for Irish New Year's (I am sure that Auld Lang Syne is OK even in an Irish pub on New Year's Eve). 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Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: mtman [SMTP:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: mtman Subject: acousti-q preamp I've been following the thread here on battery-powered preamps for acoustic guitar. I'm looking for a 2-channel preamp/blender, but it doesn't need to be battery-powered. A unit that's caught my eye is the Presonus Acousti-Q, which is billed as a 2-channel tube preamp blender for acoustic instruments. I've been able to find very little on it. Only what's at Harmony Central: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2001/Acousti-Q.html It's not even clear to me that it's commercially available, although music123 lists it in their catalog. Has anyone tried one of these? Any comments on usuability and sound? If it makes any difference, I'd be running a Fishman RareEarth Blender into it, and from there into a Repeater (see, I got the looping stuff in the back door !!!) 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Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: zvonar [SMTP:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:20 PM To: swirlee; Loopers-Delight Cc: zvonar; chrisolden Subject: re: loop instrument At 12:53 PM -0800 12/18/01, Jan Pek wrote: >I am interested in this way of looking at looping 'as an >instrument'. I am working on processes and tools to help bring >fluidity into looping. May I ask, what kind of interface would you >like to see in a loop instrument? How do you see yourself 'playing' >such an instrument? What form would it have? How would you interact? I'm not sure if I should be the one to respond (you quote my comments) or if Chris Olden should (your message was cc'ed and directed to him) or if we all should have a whack at it (I expect the latter). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --openmail-part-2ac162bb-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcZGVmZjB7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYwXGZzd2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDAgQXJpYWw7 fXtcZjFcZnN3aXNzXGZwcnEyIEFyaWFsO319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsIDtccmVkMFxncmVlbjBc Ymx1ZTI1NTt9DQpcdmlld2tpbmQ0XHVjMVxwYXJkXGNmMVxsYW5nMTAzM1xmMFxmczIwIENh biB5b3UgdGFrZSBteSBlLW1haWwgYWRkcmVzcyBvZmYgeW91ciBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QuXHBh cg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgVGhhbmtzXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm9ybWFuZC5jaGFyZXR0ZUBjaXRpY29ycC5jb21ccGFyDQpccGFy DQpccGFyDQpccGFyZFxsaTM2MFxjZjBccHJvdGVjdFxmMVxmczE2IC0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwg TWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tXHBhcg0KXHByb3RlY3QwXHBhcmRccHJvdGVjdFxmaS0xNDQwXGxpMTgw MFx0eDE0NDBcYiBGcm9tOlx0YWJcYjAgenZvbmFyIFtTTVRQOnp2b25hckB6dm9uYXIuY29t XVxwYXINClxiIFNlbnQ6XHRhYlxiMCBUdWVzZGF5LCBEZWNlbWJlciAxOCwgMjAwMSA1OjIw IFBNXHBhcg0KXGIgVG86XHRhYlxiMCBzd2lybGVlOyBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRccGFyDQpc YiBDYzpcdGFiXGIwIHp2b25hcjsgY2hyaXNvbGRlblxwYXINClxiIFN1YmplY3Q6XHRhYlxi MCByZTogbG9vcCBpbnN0cnVtZW50XHBhcg0KXHByb3RlY3QwXHBhcmRccHJvdGVjdFxsaTM2 MFxmMFxmczIwXHBhcg0KQXQgMTI6NTMgUE0gLTA4MDAgMTIvMTgvMDEsIEphbiBQZWsgd3Jv dGU6XHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KPkkgYW0gaW50ZXJlc3RlZCBpbiB0aGlzIHdheSBvZiBsb29raW5n IGF0IGxvb3BpbmcgJ2FzIGFuIFxwYXINCj5pbnN0cnVtZW50Jy4gSSBhbSB3b3JraW5nIG9u IHByb2Nlc3NlcyBhbmQgdG9vbHMgdG8gaGVscCBicmluZyBccGFyDQo+Zmx1aWRpdHkgaW50 byBsb29waW5nLiBNYXkgSSBhc2ssIHdoYXQga2luZCBvZiBpbnRlcmZhY2Ugd291bGQgeW91 IFxwYXINCj5saWtlIHRvIHNlZSBpbiBhIGxvb3AgaW5zdHJ1bWVudD8gSG93IGRvIHlvdSBz ZWUgeW91cnNlbGYgJ3BsYXlpbmcnIFxwYXINCj5zdWNoIGFuIGluc3RydW1lbnQ/IFdoYXQg Zm9ybSB3b3VsZCBpdCBoYXZlPyBIb3cgd291bGQgeW91IGludGVyYWN0P1xwYXINClxwYXIN CkknbSBub3Qgc3VyZSBpZiBJIHNob3VsZCBiZSB0aGUgb25lIHRvIHJlc3BvbmQgKHlvdSBx dW90ZSBteSBccGFyDQpjb21tZW50cykgb3IgaWYgQ2hyaXMgT2xkZW4gc2hvdWxkICh5b3Vy IG1lc3NhZ2Ugd2FzIGNjJ2VkIGFuZCBccGFyDQpkaXJlY3RlZCB0byBoaW0pIG9yIGlmIHdl IGFsbCBzaG91bGQgaGF2ZSBhIHdoYWNrIGF0IGl0IChJIGV4cGVjdCB0aGUgXHBhcg0KbGF0 dGVyKS5ccGFyDQpccGFyDQotLSBccGFyDQpccGFyDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX1xwYXINClJpY2hhcmQg WnZvbmFyLCBQaERccGFyDQooODE4KSA3ODgtMjIwMlxwYXINCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuenZvbmFy LmNvbVxwYXINCmh0dHA6Ly9SWkN5YmVybmV0aWNzLmNvbVxwYXINCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY3li bW90aW9uLmNvbS9hbGlhc3pvbmVccGFyDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmxpdmUzNjUuY29tL2NnaS1i aW4vZGlyZWN0b3J5LmNnaT9hdXRvc3RhcnQ9cnpccGFyDQpccGFyDQp9DQoA --openmail-part-2ac162bb-00000002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 08:10:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17239; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: normand.charette@citicorp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:40:20 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: Central Coast Loop Fest MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: biffoz@pacbell.net, chillyb@cruzio.com, ekstasis1@hotmail.com, GLOBAL@cruzio.com, hans@ernieball.com, KILLINFO@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mark_hamburg@baymoon.com, matthias@grob.org, rich@nuvisionsca.com, sine@zerocrossing.net, srice44@yahoo.com, stanitarium@earthlink.net, TomHeasley@aol.com, zvonar@zvonar.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-2ac16219-00000002 Resent-Message-ID: <32Ld5C.A.Q2D.DsII8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --openmail-part-2ac16219-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: hans [SMTP:hans@ernieball.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:43 PM To: GLOBAL; ekstasis1; Loopers-Delight; matthias; hans; KILLINFO; rich; srice44; stanitarium; TomHeasley; sine; mark.hamburg; biffoz; zvonar; chillyb Cc: hans Subject: Central Coast Loop Fest Dear Loopers, You may have read my e-mail (or will soon, if you get the digest) to the booking agent of one of the local bars, which I cc:'d to Looper's Delight, trying to get him to let us have the CCLF at SLO Brewing Company. If such is the case, you may have noticed that at the end of the message I promised him a demo of the music we will be creating at the festival. So at this time I would like to ask everybody who is still interested in participating to either e-mail me a link to your music on-line, or to snail-mail me a CD to: Hans Lindauer 549 Los Osos Valley Rd. Los Osos, CA 93402 Please be aware that I intend to burn this material to CD, but only to try to get a [free] venue and/or sponsorships to cover any costs, at this time. MP3-quality tunes should suffice for this purpose, as time is of the essence for this phase of the project. As the event draws nearer, I would like to put together a CD-quality disk to distribute to radio stations and print media to try to get some free press for the event (and for you). So if you send me a link to your music, please also mail me a CD and press packet, if possible. Matthias Grob has e-mailed me to let me know that he may be in the area at the time of the event, and if he can make it he has offered to demo the Echoplex Digital Pro with the new Loop 4 software. This presents the idea of a looper's workshop. It would be nice if others would volunteer to demonstrate their looper(s) of choice in a non-performance setting. I'd like to thank everyone who has shown interest - you may notice that the participant list has grown since the last time I posted to LD concerning the festival. Thanks especially to Rick Walker for planting the seed of this idea. Here's everybody so far: Rick Walker Miko Biffle Max Valentino Rich Atkinson Ted Killian Steven Rice Stan Card Jon Wagner Bill Walker Richard Zvonar Tom Heasley Mark Sottilaro Matthias Grob Mark Hamburg Hans Lindauer -Hans --openmail-part-2ac16219-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcZGVmZjB7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYwXGZzd2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDAgQXJpYWw7 fXtcZjFcZnN3aXNzXGZwcnEyIEFyaWFsO319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsIDtccmVkMFxncmVlbjBc Ymx1ZTI1NTt9DQpcdmlld2tpbmQ0XHVjMVxwYXJkXGNmMVxsYW5nMTAzM1xmMFxmczIwIENh biB5b3UgdGFrZSBteSBlLW1haWwgYWRkcmVzcyBvZmYgeW91ciBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QuXHBh cg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgVGhhbmtzXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm9ybWFuZC5jaGFyZXR0ZUBjaXRpY29ycC5jb21ccGFyDQpccGFy DQpccGFyDQpccGFyZFxsaTM2MFxjZjBccHJvdGVjdFxmMVxmczE2IC0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwg TWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tXHBhcg0KXHByb3RlY3QwXHBhcmRccHJvdGVjdFxmaS0xNDQwXGxpMTgw MFx0eDE0NDBcYiBGcm9tOlx0YWJcYjAgaGFucyBbU01UUDpoYW5zQGVybmllYmFsbC5jb21d XHBhcg0KXGIgU2VudDpcdGFiXGIwIFR1ZXNkYXksIERlY2VtYmVyIDE4LCAyMDAxIDg6NDMg UE1ccGFyDQpcYiBUbzpcdGFiXGIwIEdMT0JBTDsgZWtzdGFzaXMxOyBMb29wZXJzLURlbGln aHQ7IG1hdHRoaWFzOyBoYW5zOyBLSUxMSU5GTzsgcmljaDsgc3JpY2U0NDsgc3Rhbml0YXJp dW07IFRvbUhlYXNsZXk7IHNpbmU7IG1hcmsuaGFtYnVyZzsgYmlmZm96OyB6dm9uYXI7IGNo aWxseWJccGFyDQpcYiBDYzpcdGFiXGIwIGhhbnNccGFyDQpcYiBTdWJqZWN0Olx0YWJcYjAg Q2VudHJhbCBDb2FzdCBMb29wIEZlc3RccGFyDQpccHJvdGVjdDBccGFyZFxwcm90ZWN0XGxp MzYwXGYwXGZzMjBccGFyDQpEZWFyIExvb3BlcnMsXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KWW91IG1heSBoYXZl IHJlYWQgbXkgZS1tYWlsIChvciB3aWxsIHNvb24sIGlmIHlvdSBnZXQgdGhlIGRpZ2VzdCkg dG8gdGhlXHBhcg0KYm9va2luZyBhZ2VudCBvZiBvbmUgb2YgdGhlIGxvY2FsIGJhcnMsIHdo aWNoIEkgY2M6J2QgdG8gTG9vcGVyJ3NccGFyDQpEZWxpZ2h0LCB0cnlpbmcgdG8gZ2V0IGhp bSB0byBsZXQgdXMgaGF2ZSB0aGUgQ0NMRiBhdCBTTE8gQnJld2luZ1xwYXINCkNvbXBhbnku ICBJZiBzdWNoIGlzIHRoZSBjYXNlLCB5b3UgbWF5IGhhdmUgbm90aWNlZCB0aGF0IGF0IHRo ZSBlbmQgb2ZccGFyDQp0aGUgbWVzc2FnZSBJIHByb21pc2VkIGhpbSBhIGRlbW8gb2YgdGhl IG11c2ljIHdlIHdpbGwgYmUgY3JlYXRpbmcgYXRccGFyDQp0aGUgZmVzdGl2YWwuXHBhcg0K XHBhcg0KU28gYXQgdGhpcyB0aW1lIEkgd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBhc2sgZXZlcnlib2R5IHdo byBpcyBzdGlsbCBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluXHBhcg0KcGFydGljaXBhdGluZyB0byBlaXRoZXIg ZS1tYWlsIG1lIGEgbGluayB0byB5b3VyIG11c2ljIG9uLWxpbmUsIG9yIHRvXHBhcg0Kc25h aWwtbWFpbCBtZSBhIENEIHRvOlxwYXINClxwYXINCkhhbnMgTGluZGF1ZXJccGFyDQo1NDkg TG9zIE9zb3MgVmFsbGV5IFJkLlxwYXINCkxvcyBPc29zLCBDQSA5MzQwMlxwYXINClxwYXIN ClBsZWFzZSBiZSBhd2FyZSB0aGF0IEkgaW50ZW5kIHRvIGJ1cm4gdGhpcyBtYXRlcmlhbCB0 byBDRCwgYnV0IG9ubHkgdG9ccGFyDQp0cnkgdG8gZ2V0IGEgW2ZyZWVdIHZlbnVlIGFuZC9v ciBzcG9uc29yc2hpcHMgdG8gY292ZXIgYW55IGNvc3RzLCBhdFxwYXINCnRoaXMgdGltZS4g IE1QMy1xdWFsaXR5IHR1bmVzIHNob3VsZCBzdWZmaWNlIGZvciB0aGlzIHB1cnBvc2UsIGFz IHRpbWVccGFyDQppcyBvZiB0aGUgZXNzZW5jZSBmb3IgdGhpcyBwaGFzZSBvZiB0aGUgcHJv amVjdC4gIEFzIHRoZSBldmVudCBkcmF3c1xwYXINCm5lYXJlciwgSSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRv IHB1dCB0b2dldGhlciBhIENELXF1YWxpdHkgZGlzayB0byBkaXN0cmlidXRlIHRvXHBhcg0K cmFkaW8gc3RhdGlvbnMgYW5kIHByaW50IG1lZGlhIHRvIHRyeSB0byBnZXQgc29tZSBmcmVl IHByZXNzIGZvciB0aGVccGFyDQpldmVudCAoYW5kIGZvciB5b3UpLiAgU28gaWYgeW91IHNl bmQgbWUgYSBsaW5rIHRvIHlvdXIgbXVzaWMsIHBsZWFzZVxwYXINCmFsc28gbWFpbCBtZSBh IENEIGFuZCBwcmVzcyBwYWNrZXQsIGlmIHBvc3NpYmxlLlxwYXINClxwYXINCk1hdHRoaWFz IEdyb2IgaGFzIGUtbWFpbGVkIG1lIHRvIGxldCBtZSBrbm93IHRoYXQgaGUgbWF5IGJlIGlu IHRoZSBhcmVhXHBhcg0KYXQgdGhlIHRpbWUgb2YgdGhlIGV2ZW50LCBhbmQgaWYgaGUgY2Fu IG1ha2UgaXQgaGUgaGFzIG9mZmVyZWQgdG8gZGVtb1xwYXINCnRoZSBFY2hvcGxleCBEaWdp dGFsIFBybyB3aXRoIHRoZSBuZXcgTG9vcCA0IHNvZnR3YXJlLiAgVGhpcyBwcmVzZW50c1xw YXINCnRoZSBpZGVhIG9mIGEgbG9vcGVyJ3Mgd29ya3Nob3AuICBJdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBuaWNl IGlmIG90aGVycyB3b3VsZFxwYXINCnZvbHVudGVlciB0byBkZW1vbnN0cmF0ZSB0aGVpciBs b29wZXIocykgb2YgY2hvaWNlIGluIGEgbm9uLXBlcmZvcm1hbmNlXHBhcg0Kc2V0dGluZy5c cGFyDQpccGFyDQpJJ2QgbGlrZSB0byB0aGFuayBldmVyeW9uZSB3aG8gaGFzIHNob3duIGlu dGVyZXN0IC0geW91IG1heSBub3RpY2UgdGhhdFxwYXINCnRoZSBwYXJ0aWNpcGFudCBsaXN0 IGhhcyBncm93biBzaW5jZSB0aGUgbGFzdCB0aW1lIEkgcG9zdGVkIHRvIExEXHBhcg0KY29u Y2VybmluZyB0aGUgZmVzdGl2YWwuICBUaGFua3MgZXNwZWNpYWxseSB0byBSaWNrIFdhbGtl ciBmb3IgcGxhbnRpbmdccGFyDQp0aGUgc2VlZCBvZiB0aGlzIGlkZWEuICBIZXJlJ3MgZXZl cnlib2R5IHNvIGZhcjpccGFyDQpccGFyDQpSaWNrIFdhbGtlclxwYXINCk1pa28gQmlmZmxl XHBhcg0KTWF4IFZhbGVudGlub1xwYXINClJpY2ggQXRraW5zb25ccGFyDQpUZWQgS2lsbGlh blxwYXINClN0ZXZlbiBSaWNlXHBhcg0KU3RhbiBDYXJkXHBhcg0KSm9uIFdhZ25lclxwYXIN CkJpbGwgV2Fsa2VyXHBhcg0KUmljaGFyZCBadm9uYXJccGFyDQpUb20gSGVhc2xleVxwYXIN Ck1hcmsgU290dGlsYXJvXHBhcg0KTWF0dGhpYXMgR3JvYlxwYXINCk1hcmsgSGFtYnVyZ1xw YXINCkhhbnMgTGluZGF1ZXJccGFyDQpccGFyDQpccGFyDQotSGFuc1xwYXINClxwYXINCn0N CgA= --openmail-part-2ac16219-00000002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 08:11:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16892; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: normand.charette@citicorp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:41:33 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: re.Looping Memories MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, zvonar@zvonar.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-2ac1630f-00000002 Resent-Message-ID: <_jxvlB.A.53D.5sII8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --openmail-part-2ac1630f-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: zvonar [SMTP:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: zvonar Subject: Re: re.Looping Memories At 11:09 AM -0800 12/18/01, William R. Walker, wrote: >Hey Richard Z.! >PS.. Ting Tang Walla Walla bing bang A bit of David Saville trivia: Saville's real name is Ross Bagdasarian. He was the nephew of author William Saroyan, with whom he wrote the song "Come on a My House." The 1951 record, produced by Mitch Miller, was a runaway hit for Rosemary Clooney (George Clooney's aunt). To show just how intertwined the music world is: Rosemary Clooney was a regular on "Your Hit Parade." The show's band leader was Raymond Scott, the inventor of several early electronic music instruments including what may have been the first sequencer. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --openmail-part-2ac1630f-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcZGVmZjB7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYwXGZzd2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDAgQXJpYWw7 fXtcZjFcZnN3aXNzXGZwcnEyIEFyaWFsO319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsIDtccmVkMFxncmVlbjBc Ymx1ZTI1NTt9DQpcdmlld2tpbmQ0XHVjMVxwYXJkXGNmMVxsYW5nMTAzM1xmMFxmczIwIENh biB5b3UgdGFrZSBteSBlLW1haWwgYWRkcmVzcyBvZmYgeW91ciBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QuXHBh cg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgVGhhbmtzXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm9ybWFuZC5jaGFyZXR0ZUBjaXRpY29ycC5jb21ccGFyDQpccGFy DQpccGFyDQpccGFyZFxsaTM2MFxjZjBccHJvdGVjdFxmMVxmczE2IC0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwg TWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tXHBhcg0KXHByb3RlY3QwXHBhcmRccHJvdGVjdFxmaS0xNDQwXGxpMTgw MFx0eDE0NDBcYiBGcm9tOlx0YWJcYjAgenZvbmFyIFtTTVRQOnp2b25hckB6dm9uYXIuY29t XVxwYXINClxiIFNlbnQ6XHRhYlxiMCBUdWVzZGF5LCBEZWNlbWJlciAxOCwgMjAwMSAzOjU3 IFBNXHBhcg0KXGIgVG86XHRhYlxiMCBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRccGFyDQpcYiBDYzpcdGFi XGIwIHp2b25hclxwYXINClxiIFN1YmplY3Q6XHRhYlxiMCBSZTogcmUuTG9vcGluZyBNZW1v cmllc1xwYXINClxwcm90ZWN0MFxwYXJkXHByb3RlY3RcbGkzNjBcZjBcZnMyMFxwYXINCkF0 IDExOjA5IEFNIC0wODAwIDEyLzE4LzAxLCBXaWxsaWFtIFIuIFdhbGtlciwgd3JvdGU6XHBh cg0KPkhleSBSaWNoYXJkIFouIVxwYXINCj5QUy4uIFRpbmcgVGFuZyBXYWxsYSBXYWxsYSBi aW5nIGJhbmdccGFyDQpccGFyDQpBIGJpdCBvZiBEYXZpZCBTYXZpbGxlIHRyaXZpYTpccGFy DQpccGFyDQpTYXZpbGxlJ3MgcmVhbCBuYW1lIGlzIFJvc3MgQmFnZGFzYXJpYW4uIEhlIHdh cyB0aGUgbmVwaGV3IG9mIGF1dGhvciBccGFyDQpXaWxsaWFtIFNhcm95YW4sIHdpdGggd2hv bSBoZSB3cm90ZSB0aGUgc29uZyAiQ29tZSBvbiBhIE15IEhvdXNlLiIgXHBhcg0KVGhlIDE5 NTEgcmVjb3JkLCBwcm9kdWNlZCBieSBNaXRjaCBNaWxsZXIsIHdhcyBhIHJ1bmF3YXkgaGl0 IGZvciBccGFyDQpSb3NlbWFyeSBDbG9vbmV5IChHZW9yZ2UgQ2xvb25leSdzIGF1bnQpLlxw YXINClxwYXINClRvIHNob3cganVzdCBob3cgaW50ZXJ0d2luZWQgdGhlIG11c2ljIHdvcmxk IGlzOiBSb3NlbWFyeSBDbG9vbmV5IHdhcyBccGFyDQphIHJlZ3VsYXIgb24gIllvdXIgSGl0 IFBhcmFkZS4iIFRoZSBzaG93J3MgYmFuZCBsZWFkZXIgd2FzIFJheW1vbmQgXHBhcg0KU2Nv dHQsIHRoZSBpbnZlbnRvciBvZiBzZXZlcmFsIGVhcmx5IGVsZWN0cm9uaWMgbXVzaWMgaW5z dHJ1bWVudHMgXHBhcg0KaW5jbHVkaW5nIHdoYXQgbWF5IGhhdmUgYmVlbiB0aGUgZmlyc3Qg c2VxdWVuY2VyLlxwYXINCi0tIFxwYXINClxwYXINCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXHBhcg0KUmljaGFyZCBa dm9uYXIsIFBoRFxwYXINCig4MTgpIDc4OC0yMjAyXHBhcg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy56dm9uYXIu Y29tXHBhcg0KaHR0cDovL1JaQ3liZXJuZXRpY3MuY29tXHBhcg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jeWJt b3Rpb24uY29tL2FsaWFzem9uZVxwYXINCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubGl2ZTM2NS5jb20vY2dpLWJp bi9kaXJlY3RvcnkuY2dpP2F1dG9zdGFydD1yelxwYXINClxwYXINCn0NCgA= --openmail-part-2ac1630f-00000002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 08:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17001; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: normand.charette@citicorp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:41:53 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, zvonar@zvonar.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-2ac16375-00000002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --openmail-part-2ac16375-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: zvonar [SMTP:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: zvonar Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES At 11:07 AM -0800 12/18/01, William R. Walker, wrote: >you must not have down too much damage to your brain with chemicals. >Your memory is far too elephantine for that. I do have trouble remembering from one moment to the next, however. Maybe that's why I like looping; it reminds me of what I just did. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --openmail-part-2ac16375-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcZGVmZjB7XGZvbnR0Ymx7XGYwXGZzd2lzc1xmY2hhcnNldDAgQXJpYWw7 fXtcZjFcZnN3aXNzXGZwcnEyIEFyaWFsO319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsIDtccmVkMFxncmVlbjBc Ymx1ZTI1NTt9DQpcdmlld2tpbmQ0XHVjMVxwYXJkXGNmMVxsYW5nMTAzM1xmMFxmczIwIENh biB5b3UgdGFrZSBteSBlLW1haWwgYWRkcmVzcyBvZmYgeW91ciBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QuXHBh cg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgVGhhbmtzXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgbm9ybWFuZC5jaGFyZXR0ZUBjaXRpY29ycC5jb21ccGFyDQpccGFy DQpccGFyDQpccGFyZFxsaTM2MFxjZjBccHJvdGVjdFxmMVxmczE2IC0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwg TWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tXHBhcg0KXHByb3RlY3QwXHBhcmRccHJvdGVjdFxmaS0xNDQwXGxpMTgw MFx0eDE0NDBcYiBGcm9tOlx0YWJcYjAgenZvbmFyIFtTTVRQOnp2b25hckB6dm9uYXIuY29t XVxwYXINClxiIFNlbnQ6XHRhYlxiMCBUdWVzZGF5LCBEZWNlbWJlciAxOCwgMjAwMSAzOjU5 IFBNXHBhcg0KXGIgVG86XHRhYlxiMCBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRccGFyDQpcYiBDYzpcdGFi XGIwIHp2b25hclxwYXINClxiIFN1YmplY3Q6XHRhYlxiMCBSZTogRklSU1QgTE9PUElORyBN RU1PUklFU1xwYXINClxwcm90ZWN0MFxwYXJkXHByb3RlY3RcbGkzNjBcZjBcZnMyMFxwYXIN CkF0IDExOjA3IEFNIC0wODAwIDEyLzE4LzAxLCBXaWxsaWFtIFIuIFdhbGtlciwgd3JvdGU6 XHBhcg0KPnlvdSBtdXN0IG5vdCBoYXZlIGRvd24gdG9vIG11Y2ggZGFtYWdlIHRvIHlvdXIg YnJhaW4gd2l0aCBjaGVtaWNhbHMuIFxwYXINCj5Zb3VyIG1lbW9yeSBpcyBmYXIgdG9vIGVs ZXBoYW50aW5lIGZvciB0aGF0LlxwYXINClxwYXINCkkgZG8gaGF2ZSB0cm91YmxlIHJlbWVt YmVyaW5nIGZyb20gb25lIG1vbWVudCB0byB0aGUgbmV4dCwgaG93ZXZlci4gXHBhcg0KTWF5 YmUgdGhhdCdzIHdoeSBJIGxpa2UgbG9vcGluZzsgaXQgcmVtaW5kcyBtZSBvZiB3aGF0IEkg anVzdCBkaWQuXHBhcg0KLS0gXHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19ccGFyDQpSaWNoYXJkIFp2 b25hciwgUGhEXHBhcg0KKDgxOCkgNzg4LTIyMDJccGFyDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3Lnp2b25hci5j b21ccGFyDQpodHRwOi8vUlpDeWJlcm5ldGljcy5jb21ccGFyDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmN5Ym1v dGlvbi5jb20vYWxpYXN6b25lXHBhcg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlMzY1LmNvbS9jZ2ktYmlu L2RpcmVjdG9yeS5jZ2k/YXV0b3N0YXJ0PXJ6XHBhcg0KXHBhcg0KfQ0KAA== --openmail-part-2ac16375-00000002-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 08:12:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17358; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:49:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: normand.charette@citicorp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: High Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:42:14 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: loop instrument MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, swirlee@angelfire.com CC: chrisolden@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=openmail-part-2ac1637b-00000002 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --openmail-part-2ac1637b-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. Thanks normand.charette@citicorp.com -----Original Message----- From: swirlee [SMTP:swirlee@angelfire.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: swirlee; chrisolden Subject: re: loop instrument >Because I'm rarely performing on a conventional instrument, I can >devote my attention to the looping system in such a way that it IS an >instrument. Thus I rarely let looped material just "sit" in the >musical texture. I often "capture and dump" material at a rapid pace, >or I may capture several simultaneous loops of contrasting materials >and bring them in and out of the mix. Chris- I am interested in this way of looking at looping 'as an instrument'. I am working on processes and tools to help bring fluidity into looping. May I ask, what kind of interface would you like to see in a loop instrument? How do you see yourself 'playing' such an instrument? What form would it have? How would you interact? What about collaboration with other people? In your vision, could more than one person be playing the loop instrument at a time? For example, I grew up improvising piano, so it is easy for me to imagine an interface where new loops are automatically mapped across a keyboard, allowing me to 'play' them. I also grew up programming, so I can relate to an interface with macro-like commands like 'F1B4' fade loop 1 out over four counts. Right now I'm looking at core principles for loop technology. Here are some thoughts: Everything is breathing There is no final product Only the rhythm of returning Only the growth of resonance Mill - Sawdust Process - Byproduct MILL "The Circular Process by which Grooves are Cut" the process by which the process is developed is itself the process. there is no stable architecture. the song is the singing. DISC EROS- wheels revolving within wheels, imprinted with sound, synchronized by crystal clocks time becomes resonant dream antenna basic principles? * Individuality. -different physical arrangements expose process- UI decoupled from core process. A guitarist plays it differently than a keyboardist. * Fluidity- the loop process does not disrupt the channel by forcing structure. does not take the improviser away from his flow. * Simplicity- honor limits. * Community- encourage collaboration. * History- there is no product to store, only the reverberations of the past. material that is unused, fades away. equally, processes and experiments that are fruitless, fade away. * Association- loops are linked to one another by their use together. when two loops are sounding together, this creates a magnetic link between. loops self-organize into a network based on the activities of the conductor (that's you!). this helps the conductor to find related loops fluidly. * Ant medicine- things grow in their own rhythm, take small steps. many thanks, -yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ --openmail-part-2ac1637b-00000002 Content-Type: application/rtf; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Disposition: 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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Todd R.:] >I now produce my own 'new music theater show' which includes my own >loop-based music and music of others including phil kline, evan ziporyn, and >theo bleckmann, a vocal looper. I'll include the sites Does Evan Ziporyn's original music ever involve live looping? I've heard the wonderful pieces he's composed for the MIT gamelan ensemble, and i've seen/heard him perform with Bang On A Can doing Music For Airports, among other things. I've really enjoyed a lot of what he does, but i don't think i've heard any overt use of looping in any of his pieces. If there are some, could you point them out? Thanks! -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 08:54:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23036; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013e01c18890$c1ceaca0$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: re.Looping Memories Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:26:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hm, there's an echo in here. Go look at http://www.loopers-delight.com and perform the action of removing yourself from the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: 19 December 2001 12:41 PM Subject: RE: re.Looping Memories > Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. > > Thanks > > normand.charette@citicorp.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: zvonar [SMTP:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight > Cc: zvonar > Subject: Re: re.Looping Memories > > At 11:09 AM -0800 12/18/01, William R. Walker, wrote: > >Hey Richard Z.! > >PS.. Ting Tang Walla Walla bing bang > > A bit of David Saville trivia: > > Saville's real name is Ross Bagdasarian. He was the nephew of author > William Saroyan, with whom he wrote the song "Come on a My House." > The 1951 record, produced by Mitch Miller, was a runaway hit for > Rosemary Clooney (George Clooney's aunt). > > To show just how intertwined the music world is: Rosemary Clooney was > > a regular on "Your Hit Parade." The show's band leader was Raymond > Scott, the inventor of several early electronic music instruments > including what may have been the first sequencer. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 10:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28508; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:49:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:49:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: re.Looping Memories To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.8 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:32:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I mailed your privatley about removing yourself..please stop spamming the board it is filling up my mailbox. On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:41:33 -0500 normand.charette@citicorp.com wrote: > Can you take my e-mail address off your mailing list. > > Thanks > > normand.charette@citicorp.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: zvonar [SMTP:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight > Cc: zvonar > Subject: Re: re.Looping Memories > > At 11:09 AM -0800 12/18/01, William R. Walker, wrote: > >Hey Richard Z.! > >PS.. Ting Tang Walla Walla bing bang > > A bit of David Saville trivia: > > Saville's real name is Ross Bagdasarian. He was the > nephew of author > William Saroyan, with whom he wrote the song "Come on > a My House." > The 1951 record, produced by Mitch Miller, was a > runaway hit for > Rosemary Clooney (George Clooney's aunt). > > To show just how intertwined the music world is: > Rosemary Clooney was > > a regular on "Your Hit Parade." The show's band leader > was Raymond > Scott, the inventor of several early electronic music > instruments > including what may have been the first sequencer. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 13:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14205; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:52:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:43:28 -0800 Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <191201353.18912@webbox.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, not quite yet. But almost. A couple of the duo pieces he's written for us come pretty close to sounding like it, though no electronics involved. And of course the duo pieces I write for us do include live looping. They are not released yet, but if you are interested in hearing some, let me know. We are beginning a trio next year with David Cossin (www.davidcossin.com), who also loops, where we will all be synced up with Plexes probably, we'll do sets of improvised and written pieces. If you're up in boston, we'll for sure do a set or two up there... -todd On 12/19/01 5:15 AM, "p koniuto" wrote: > > > [Todd R.:] > >> I now produce my own 'new music theater show' which includes > my own >> loop-based music and music of others including phil kline, evan > ziporyn, and >> theo bleckmann, a vocal looper. I'll include the sites > > Does Evan Ziporyn's original music ever involve > live looping? I've heard the wonderful pieces > he's composed for the MIT gamelan ensemble, and > i've seen/heard him perform with Bang On A Can > doing Music For Airports, among other things. > > I've really enjoyed a lot of what he does, but > i don't think i've heard any overt use of looping > in any of his pieces. If there are some, could > you point them out? Thanks! > > -peter > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 13:19:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14660; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Richard Zvonar" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:50:14 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: chrisolden@hotmail.com X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: re: loop instrument X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .. >>fluidity into looping. May I ask, what kind of interface would you >>like to see in a loop instrument? How do you see yourself 'playing' >>such an instrument? What form would it have? How would you interact? > >I'm not sure if I should be the one to respond (you quote my >comments) or if Chris Olden should (your message was cc'ed and >directed to him) or if we all should have a whack at it (I expect the >latter). y'all have a crack at it! -yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 13:35:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16787; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:11:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:11:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Richard Zvonar" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:03:53 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: chrisolden@hotmail.com X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: re: loop instrument X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com .. >>fluidity into looping. May I ask, what kind of interface would you >>like to see in a loop instrument? How do you see yourself 'playing' >>such an instrument? What form would it have? How would you interact? > >I'm not sure if I should be the one to respond (you quote my >comments) or if Chris Olden should (your message was cc'ed and >directed to him) or if we all should have a whack at it (I expect the >latter). y'all have a crack at it! -yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 13:37:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17245; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:16:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:01:33 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <69yhVD.A.7DE.6fNI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:42 PM -0800 12/18/01, todd reynolds wrote: >during one or two visits to California, Richard graciously invited >me to come make some music with him at his place, That was in 1992, I believe. Playing with Todd was great fun. He's a superb musician with a ready talent for electroacoustic improvisation. At the time he had a Boss SE50, and we tried to make some sense out of its system exclusive implementation in order to try controlling parameters real-time. The printed sysex spec was a bit impenetrable, so I called Roland tech support to try to sort it out (dream on!). I talked to a snotty young man who told me that he was "too busy making music" to bother with such things as MIDI sysex. Big mistake. I reported him to a friend of mine who was a senior engineer at Roland. >That's when I bought my first set of Lexicons and Midi-pedals >(midigators, both.) The Mitigator RFC-1 and CFC-4 were current models then. Todd and I visited (the long lamented) Valley Arts Guitar Center to check them out. I had been investigating MIDI foot controllers for Jon Hassell, who had just bought an Eventide H3000. There wasn't much available in those days, and it was down to a choice between the Forte Music Mentor and the Lake Butler MIDI Mitigator RFC-1. The Mentor was a nifty device, with a table top remote and extensive MIDI mapping capabilities, but the RFC-1 was robust and easy to use. Jon had his modified so that the switches were more sensitive (the originals were designed to withstand Leslie West). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 13:54:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18782; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:30:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:30:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:22:42 EST Subject: Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT: CD-promo) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <15f.5e07c43.295234f2@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -snip- It'll probably be of only marginal value to send a CD of ambient music to a death-metal e-zine or radio program specializing in polka music (unless you happen to be into ambient death-polka ... hmmm... sounds kinda interesting). -end snip- okay, what's up with the ambient death-polka thing? This was something I used to say when someone would ask what kind of music I played "Oh, you know, your standard death-metal-ambient-polka". That was until about a month ago, when someone told me that there actually WAS a death-metal polka band on the west coast (forgot the name - Dr.Z?), though I don't know if they ever produced music one would call "ambient" (unless you consider either death-metal or polka simultaneously ignorable and engrosing) . . . I think we may have all caught a bad case of the memes . . . aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 14:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20901; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Message-Id: <191201353.39063@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:51:09 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Todd R:] > No, not quite yet. But almost. A couple of the duo pieces > he's written for > us come pretty close to sounding like it, though no > electronics involved. > And of course the duo pieces I write for us do include live > looping. They > are not released yet, but if you are interested in hearing > some, let me > know. Love to! And will they be released? > We are beginning a trio next year with David Cossin > (www.davidcossin.com), > who also loops, where we will all be synced up with Plexes > probably, we'll > do sets of improvised and written pieces. If you're up in > boston, we'll for > sure do a set or two up there... *DO* gig-spam the list as in advance as you can... i'll be there. Sounds like quite a trio! -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 14:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22868; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:06:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:06:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:58:11 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT: CD-promo) In-reply-to: <15f.5e07c43.295234f2@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1203334197==_ma============" References: <15f.5e07c43.295234f2@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1203334197==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:22 PM -0500 12/19/01, AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: >okay, what's up with the ambient death-polka thing? This was >something I used to say when someone would ask what kind of music I >played "Oh, you know, your standard death-metal-ambient-polka". >That was until about a month ago, when someone told me that there >actually WAS a death-metal polka band on the west coast (forgot the >name - Dr.Z?) There's a "polka till you puke" band named Polkacide, from San Francisco. http://www.polkacide.com Critical Details * " ... explosive mix that sounds like the Sex Pistols on kishka!" ... Barfly Newspaper - Chicago, 4/2000 * "... an astounding performance by San Francisco- based ten-piece Polkacide. ...the `Cide rocked the Burning Man ..." Strobe Magazine * " And right on the cutting edge of this most misunderstood of polyrhythms is San Francisco's Polkacide, America's premier hardcore polka band." ...Amy Linden, Spin Magazine * " It's like a disease...no, it's like an apocalypse...no, it's like your worst nightmare of a Midwestern family reunion! It's Polkacide." ... Music Calendar, S.F. Chronicle -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1203334197==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (
At 1:22 PM -0500 12/19/01, AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote:

okay, what's up with the ambient death-polka thing?  This was something I used to say when someone would ask what kind of music I played "Oh, you know, your standard death-metal-ambient-polka".  That was until about a month ago, when someone told me that there actually WAS a death-metal polka band on the west coast (forgot the name - Dr.Z?)

There's a "polka till you puke" band named Polkacide, from San Francisco.

        http://www.polkacide.com

Critical Details

* " ... explosive mix that sounds like the Sex Pistols on kishka!" ... Barfly Newspaper - Chicago, 4/2000

* "... an astounding performance by San Francisco- based ten-piece Polkacide. ...the `Cide rocked the Burning Man ..." Strobe Magazine

* " And right on the cutting edge of this most misunderstood of polyrhythms is San Francisco's Polkacide, America's premier hardcore polka band." ...Amy Linden, Spin Magazine

* " It's like a disease...no, it's like an apocalypse...no, it's like your worst nightmare of a Midwestern family reunion! It's Polkacide." ... Music Calendar, S.F. Chronicle

-- 

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--============_-1203334197==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 14:55:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24530; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:33:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:33:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:26:52 EST Subject: RE: Get your looping music on ther airwaves To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_Part_3c20e9fc-036c-c8e-010203040506" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <155.60900d2.295243fd@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------_Part_3c20e9fc-036c-c8e-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------_Part_3c20e9fc-036c-c8e-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-1219132242; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:22:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:22:42 EST From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Subject:Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT: CD-promo) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <15f.5e07c43.295234f2@aol.com> -snip- It'll probably be of only marginal value to send a CD of ambient music to a death-metal e-zine or radio program specializing in polka music (unless you happen to be into ambient death-polka ... hmmm... sounds kinda interesting). -end snip- okay, what's up with the ambient death-polka thing? This was something I used to say when someone would ask what kind of music I played "Oh, you know, your standard death-metal-ambient-polka". That was until about a month ago, when someone told me that there actually WAS a death-metal polka band on the west coast (forgot the name - Dr.Z?), though I don't know if they ever produced music one would call "ambient" (unless you consider either death-metal or polka simultaneously ignorable and engrosing) . . . I think we may have all caught a bad case of the memes . . . aaroneous ------_Part_3c20e9fc-036c-c8e-010203040506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 15:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28981; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:34:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:34:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: gibbon.kungfumonkey.com: steve owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT: CD-promo) In-Reply-To: <15f.5e07c43.295234f2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I lifted the following chunk from an email I received a long time ago out promoting an acquaintance's progrock band: "We'll be paying tribute to the classic Hungarian techno death polka bands of the late 80's. So if you're into cookie-monster vocals sung in Hungarian ensnared with screaming fuzzed out accordian solos over heavy TB-303 thumping, ummm...well...you should probably see a doctor, because the whole idea is just too silly to imagine. Strike this paragraph. You never saw it." My reaction to the above was to put an accordian on my shopping list if I ever ran across a good one cheap, but I haven't followed through yet. regards, Steve burnett@pobox.com On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: > > -snip- > It'll probably be of only marginal value to send a CD of ambient music to a death-metal e-zine or radio program specializing in polka music (unless you happen to be into ambient death-polka ... hmmm... sounds > kinda interesting). > -end snip- > > okay, what's up with the ambient death-polka thing? This was something I used to say when someone would ask what kind of music I played "Oh, you know, your standard death-metal-ambient-polka". That was until about a month ago, when someone told me that there actually WAS a death-metal polka band on the west coast (forgot the name - Dr.Z?), though I don't know if they ever produced music one would call "ambient" (unless you consider either death-metal or polka simultaneously ignorable and engrosing) . . . I think we may have all caught a bad case of the memes . . . > > aaroneous > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 16:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29741; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:48:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:48:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <15f.5e07c43.295234f2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:33:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT: CD-promo) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all this polka talk reminded me of a strange instrument i ran across a couple of years ago, but passed on... At the local swap meet, a hispanic couple had a Farfisa Accordian, which i didn't buy, since we couldn't seem to get the bellows to open. Strange, though...it had a 1/4" jack on it, and the lady said there was a speaker that went with it (at home...why they didn't bring that too, i'll never know. Although they knew VERY little about the instrument and i suspect they picked it up from someone else.) A Farfisa Electric Accordian, maybe? anybody ever seen such a thing? It was damn cool looking. I just didn't need another headache on my hands... and i already had a hammered dulcimer, which covered me in the 'odd instrument i need to apply much more time than i have to master in any sort of reasonable manner' department. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 17:52:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05126; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:31:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c188db$19007400$7b87abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <191201353.39063@webbox.com> Subject: Re: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:18:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suspect my first idea of looping started (near 1984) with the "freeze" function of my first effect: a Yamaha Spx 90. the problem was you had to push all the time a button on the front panel to make it start. It was really short (maybe 1"). then a boss digital delay stomp box then a gsp 2101 then, getting mad to reach it, an EDP ! but, the most important thing was that, 3 years ago, I realized there was a world making those strange things I was trying to do with my gtr, feeling them not so "strange". It was a very important moment and Looper's delight has had the main responsability on that. luca .... . . . . ... . . . ... . . . .. .. .. ..... . . . .. www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 19:01:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09928; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c188e4$f8c70c80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP repair Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:29:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C188A1.E9C99920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C188A1.E9C99920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering if anyone here knows if Shane Radke is on vacation or...? = I have left mssgs and email with no response - need to get my EDP = serviced asap- thanks-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C188A1.E9C99920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just wondering if anyone here knows if Shane Radke = is on=20 vacation or...? I have left mssgs and email with no response - need to = get my=20 EDP serviced asap- thanks-
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C188A1.E9C99920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 19:40:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12786; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:20:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <69.1f472cde.295286fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:12:46 EST Subject: Re: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com todd, >I have always been amazed at dt's great spirit in participating in the >conversation, and I, too, check out many of his posts just to hear a real >'educated by intense experience' type of viewpoint. I also feel the same >about kim and matthias and others, for the record. I am once again amazed >by a real patient and sane response by mr. Torn, especially given the >strength and heat of some of pb's inflammatory comments. thanks for the positives aimed in my general direction! for the sake of clarity, though, i wanna point out that the only reason that *i* felt bad about that murky miscommunication was when i understood that peter b. was shutting down his activity with *everybody* @ LD, as a result of *our* misunderstanding --- i'm sure this place offers some value/insight to all-those-who-loop, which small social-group would & should certainly include him. (ain't no other loop-communities that i know about, which gives LD a certain weight --- as scattered & tattered a community as we might be). best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 20:34:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16672; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:12:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:12:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:05:50 -0800 Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8-F92B.A.q-D.dmTI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geez, you have a memory, richard... Thanks for the refresher... I now remember it all. So, believe it or not, I sold my RFC-1 and have regretted it ever since. I'm now in my third month of research for a good midi-pedal, but the more I get into max, the more I realize I might just need a few switches and expression pedals... Or god forbid, overkill it with an i-cube. The info here on the list has been helpful, but sometimes pushing the buttons is necessary, for instance, I have more clicks and pops from my dl4 pedals than I can handle when I'm recorded live to a stereo mic. Them things is loud as s**t. And now, believe it or not as well, I'm looking for an Boss SE-70... And researching the eclipse, and my lexicon g2 is the noisiest unit ever... It all comes around... Sometimes I think, never sell a piece of gear, and then I realize, we're just engaged in a big trading circle... On 12/19/01 10:01 AM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > At 10:42 PM -0800 12/18/01, todd reynolds wrote: > >> during one or two visits to California, Richard graciously invited >> me to come make some music with him at his place, > > That was in 1992, I believe. Playing with Todd was great fun. He's a > superb musician with a ready talent for electroacoustic improvisation. > > At the time he had a Boss SE50, and we tried to make some sense out > of its system exclusive implementation in order to try controlling > parameters real-time. The printed sysex spec was a bit impenetrable, > so I called Roland tech support to try to sort it out (dream on!). I > talked to a snotty young man who told me that he was "too busy making > music" to bother with such things as MIDI sysex. Big mistake. I > reported him to a friend of mine who was a senior engineer at Roland. > >> That's when I bought my first set of Lexicons and Midi-pedals >> (midigators, both.) > > The Mitigator RFC-1 and CFC-4 were current models then. Todd and I > visited (the long lamented) Valley Arts Guitar Center to check them > out. I had been investigating MIDI foot controllers for Jon Hassell, > who had just bought an Eventide H3000. There wasn't much available in > those days, and it was down to a choice between the Forte Music > Mentor and the Lake Butler MIDI Mitigator RFC-1. The Mentor was a > nifty device, with a table top remote and extensive MIDI mapping > capabilities, but the RFC-1 was robust and easy to use. Jon had his > modified so that the switches were more sensitive (the originals were > designed to withstand Leslie West). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 20:39:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17102; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:18:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:18:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2147F5.C378DC8B@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:07:49 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript References: <69.1f472cde.295286fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scattered perhaps, but TATTERED? Not in our new shirts, no way! -jas t-shirt guy Albuquerque Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > --- as scattered & tattered a community as we might be). > best, > dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 21:00:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18194; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:37:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:37:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c188f6$f1569440$0f58e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <3d.16567e99.2950e6cf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re:Newbie question; the live approach Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:37:53 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0C_0JD.A.yWE.28TI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: > i've also got 2 switchable mics built into my main gtr, which can be bent to > this purpose, as well as having a switchable 1/4-inch *input* on the gtr..... That is a Great Concept - it's easy to be spontaneous and wherever you bring your guitar, you have immediate audio inputs into your effects and loops without a mixer, more wires, stands and such. Are you using any special mics for these purposes? ie - can they (when switched in) go right into the guitar input on an effects unit without special preamping or rude volume imbalances? Now that I'm thinking more about this - are they upstream from your volume knob or do they have their own volume knob(s)? Any insight would be appreciated as I'm excited about this possibility for making more holes in and more noise from my poor Strat. Thanks. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 21:17:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19385; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:56:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:56:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:48:12 -0800 Subject: Loopers in Palm Springs? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I'm hangin' in palm desert, CA with my folks 'til the 4th..., any loopers close by? I got my repeater with me... And my laptop... Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 21:18:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19249; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:56:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:48:12 -0800 Subject: Re: very OT: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <69.1f472cde.295286fe@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 12/19/01 4:12 PM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" wrote: > todd, > >> I have always been amazed at dt's great spirit in participating in the >> conversation, and I, too, check out many of his posts just to hear a real >> 'educated by intense experience' type of viewpoint. I also feel the same >> about kim and matthias and others, for the record. I am once again amazed >> by a real patient and sane response by mr. Torn, especially given the >> strength and heat of some of pb's inflammatory comments. > > thanks for the positives aimed in my general direction! > for the sake of clarity, though, i wanna point out that the only reason that > *i* felt bad about that murky miscommunication was when i understood that > peter b. was shutting down his activity with *everybody* @ LD, as a result of > *our* misunderstanding --- i'm sure this place offers some value/insight to > all-those-who-loop, which small social-group would & should certainly include > him. > (ain't no other loop-communities that i know about, which gives LD a certain > weight --- as scattered & tattered a community as we might be). > best, > dt / splattercell > > I got it. Thanks for the clarity. Once again, very generous, and that is my point... We all gotta cut each other some slack, and this exchange seemed to me so very one-sidedly generous and the other-sidedly *in*-tolerant. I want everyone to have their say as you do, of course, and this IS our only resource and community, and it's a great one, far as I'm concerned. I don't know if pb will ever read my post or not, but the purpose behind it was to support clearing a space for that sort of tolerance necessary to maintain the list in good faith. Of course, now that I've reread *my* post, I find it unnecessarily inflammatory as well, (sorry, pb). I remember getting quite a scolding from kim once, but the FIRST thing I did was to find a way not to take it personally... For someone unable to do that, maybe unsubscribe *is* the best option, for all of us. So for me, I'm sorry pb won't be joining us, but it's a big sandbox, and if he can't play nice, then other ones won't wanna play... MORAL: don't throw sand, at 95% feedback, it gets real messy... Never lands... Just hits you in the face... I talk too much. todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 21:43:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22036; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:15:24 -0800 Subject: wanting to make the right choice From: rob seiffert To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am an acoustic guitar player, aspiring to do things like Phil Keagey (sp?), or michael hedges (still light-years from it talent & gear wise). i am looking for a looping device that would be ideal for an acoustic guitar/ live performance setup. i assumed it was the EDP, or is the repeater something to consider? thanks for any help. -- rob seiffert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 22:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26411; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:27:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:20:31 -0500 Subject: Re: wanting to make the right choice Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-446460875 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <86498CFE-F4F8-11D5-B6C9-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-446460875 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Phil Keaggy uses a Lexicon JamMan, but an EDP works great too, and I'm positive that a Repeater would be way cool too. The EDP has a much longer loop time than a JamMan, and the Repeater has that cool memory storage thing going for it. You have to decide what you want to do, how much you want to spend, and then make the most of what you've got. Keaggy plays the JamMan like a violin... he is THE JamMan in my book! I have an EDP and am using it right now with my Taylor plugged directly into it. Coolness! > i am an acoustic guitar player, aspiring to do things like Phil Keagey > (sp?), or michael hedges (still light-years from it talent & gear > wise). i > am looking for a looping device that would be ideal for an acoustic > guitar/ > live performance setup. i assumed it was the EDP, or is the repeater > something to consider? thanks for any help. > __________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dmiller --Apple-Mail-1-446460875 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Phil Keaggy uses a Lexicon JamMan, but an EDP works great too, and I'm positive that a Repeater would be way cool too. The EDP has a much longer loop time than a JamMan, and the Repeater has that cool memory storage thing going for it. You have to decide what you want to do, how much you want to spend, and then make the most of what you've got. Keaggy plays the JamMan like a violin... he is THE JamMan in my book! I have an EDP and am using it right now with my Taylor plugged directly into it. Coolness! i am an acoustic guitar player, aspiring to do things like Phil Keagey (sp?), or michael hedges (still light-years from it talent & gear wise). i am looking for a looping device that would be ideal for an acoustic guitar/ live performance setup. i assumed it was the EDP, or is the repeater something to consider? thanks for any help. Helvetica__________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/dmiller --Apple-Mail-1-446460875-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 23:17:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27889; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:56:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:56:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: My First Impressions Of The Repeater: A non guitarists point of view Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c18909$016a76f0$8e8ff018@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <23G5fD.A.8rG.u_VI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WOW I just got the repeater in the post today and I must say I am completely and utterly blown away by this fantastic device. I have ran everything though it from my waterphone,contact miced power outlets, vocals, korg ms10, etc... and am very happy with the results. Funny thing is my repeater did not come with a manual for some reason not that it matters, this thing is fully functional out of the box. Everything is right there labeled clearly on the front panel---no call for massive menu searching! I need to dive deeper still into this piece (only been running it for 2 hours now) but I must state again: I am completely impressed with this little device. Thanks electrixs guys and gals---keep it coming! Regards and respect, Christopher White PS I thought this thing was going to be all plastic_E feeling...how wrong I was! Tis' built like a tank she is! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 10:10:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31809; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:48:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:33:36 -0500 Subject: Re: wanting to make the right choice From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <86498CFE-F4F8-11D5-B6C9-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey there, i just finished mixing a new phil keaggy record that i produced and recorded here at my studio. he does use the jamman and i even convinced gibson (when they were still responding to phone calls....) to send him an echoplex, but it was too much new technology for him. personally, i think if he had gotten into it it would have been a powerful tool for him, but the way he uses a jamman is like no other. he is also using the upgraded bob sellon chip with a midi controller to do a lot of stuff. on another topic, can anyone recommend a large STABLE, FAST cfc card for the repeater? i need to get one today it needs to be at least 64bmeg and i'[d perfer larger. thanks ric -- monk@fuse.net www.monkmusic.com on 12/19/01 10:20 PM, Doug Miller at dmiller3@columbus.rr.com wrote: > Phil Keaggy uses a Lexicon JamMan, but an EDP works great too, and I'm > positive that a Repeater would be way cool too. The EDP has a much > longer loop time than a JamMan, and the Repeater has that cool memory > storage thing going for it. > You have to decide what you want to do, how much you want to spend, and > then make the most of what you've got. > Keaggy plays the JamMan like a violin... he is THE JamMan in my book! > > I have an EDP and am using it right now with my Taylor plugged directly > into it. Coolness! > >> i am an acoustic guitar player, aspiring to do things like Phil Keagey >> (sp?), or michael hedges (still light-years from it talent & gear >> wise). i >> am looking for a looping device that would be ideal for an acoustic >> guitar/ >> live performance setup. i assumed it was the EDP, or is the repeater >> something to consider? thanks for any help. >> > __________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dmiller > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 10:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03250; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:39:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:32:28 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: wanting to make the right choice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005e01c1896b$885ff2e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <86498CFE-F4F8-11D5-B6C9-00306587FF4E@columbus.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, how are you typing? > > I have an EDP and am using it right now with my Taylor plugged directly > into it. Coolness! > >.... > __________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dmiller > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 11:12:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03712; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:50:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00f401c18733$57a68fe0$1d61f93f@dnlsh01> References: <00f401c18733$57a68fe0$1d61f93f@dnlsh01> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:36:07 -0600 To: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" , From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, Maybe this is old news by now, but I purchased a nice battery powered preamp from K&K Sound Systems in Portland, OR, on Steuart Liebig's recommendation. I ordered it on-line at http://www.kksound.com/. They have range of models for various tasks, ranging in price. The one I got for $80 (including shipping) is designed for piezo-electric pickups, and it has helped the sound of the Springboard immensely. Best regards, Eric --------------------- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave. Opening February 23, 2002. For more info call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 11:15:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03769; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:52:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:52:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:56:47 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c18977$50346890$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: wanting to make the right choice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SimpleTech 256 MB Compact FlashMemory Card Got mine at Costco in October. $199. minus $30 Rebate Item #: 393322 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr monk" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: Re: wanting to make the right choice > hey there, > > > i just finished mixing a new phil keaggy record that i produced and > recorded here at my studio. he does use the jamman and i even convinced > gibson (when they were still responding to phone calls....) to send him an > echoplex, but it was too much new technology for him. personally, i think if > he had gotten into it it would have been a powerful tool for him, but the > way he uses a jamman is like no other. he is also using the upgraded bob > sellon chip with a midi controller to do a lot of stuff. > > on another topic, can anyone recommend a large STABLE, FAST cfc card for > the repeater? i need to get one today it needs to be at least 64bmeg and > i'[d perfer larger. > > > thanks > > > > > ric > > > > -- > monk@fuse.net > www.monkmusic.com > on 12/19/01 10:20 PM, Doug Miller at dmiller3@columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > Phil Keaggy uses a Lexicon JamMan, but an EDP works great too, and I'm > > positive that a Repeater would be way cool too. The EDP has a much > > longer loop time than a JamMan, and the Repeater has that cool memory > > storage thing going for it. > > You have to decide what you want to do, how much you want to spend, and > > then make the most of what you've got. > > Keaggy plays the JamMan like a violin... he is THE JamMan in my book! > > > > I have an EDP and am using it right now with my Taylor plugged directly > > into it. Coolness! > > > >> i am an acoustic guitar player, aspiring to do things like Phil Keagey > >> (sp?), or michael hedges (still light-years from it talent & gear > >> wise). i > >> am looking for a looping device that would be ideal for an acoustic > >> guitar/ > >> live performance setup. i assumed it was the EDP, or is the repeater > >> something to consider? thanks for any help. > >> > > __________________________ > > Doug Miller > > Graphic Designer > > > > http://www.dispatch.com > > http://www.cccn.org > > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dmiller > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 12:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07379; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:43:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c18974$c42bc8e0$a9924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT:CD-promo) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:38:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6_xXR.A.DtB.JOhI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich wrote: >and i already had a hammered dulcimer, which covered me in >the 'odd instrument i need to apply much more time than i have to >master in any sort of reasonable manner' department. . . . that's the story of my life! ;-) Except that all my instruments are "odd" (by most standards) so I have no "regular" or commonly recognized instruments to fall back on. Someone approached me after a performance once and said "You have really weird instruments -- and I don't mean that as an insult!" I loved it! Humorously enough, my wife has a hammered dulcimer (which was the cause of our meeting in the first place), but I've never really given any time to trying to play it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 12:33:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09805; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:11:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804860@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:02:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18978.2CAADAC0" Resent-Message-ID: <7b-evB.A.ZUC.DohI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18978.2CAADAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hey eric, glad it worked. i'm not sure if it will help in terms of the question at hand, but K&K is a good call too. sl -----Original Message----- From: Eric Leonardson [mailto:eleon@ripco.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:36 AM To: Rick Walker (loop.pool); Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS? Hi Rick, Maybe this is old news by now, but I purchased a nice battery powered preamp from K&K Sound Systems in Portland, OR, on Steuart Liebig's recommendation. I ordered it on-line at http://www.kksound.com/. They have range of models for various tasks, ranging in price. The one I got for $80 (including shipping) is designed for piezo-electric pickups, and it has helped the sound of the Springboard immensely. Best regards, Eric --------------------- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave. Opening February 23, 2002. For more info call (312) 409-0400. Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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hey eric,

glad it worked.

i'm not sure if it will help in terms of the question at = hand, but K&K is a good call too.

sl

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Leonardson [mailto:eleon@ripco.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:36 AM
To: Rick Walker (loop.pool); Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
Subject: Re: BATTERY POWERED PREAMPS?


Hi Rick,

Maybe this is old news by now, but I purchased a nice bat= tery powered
preamp from K&K Sound Systems in Portland, OR, on St= euart Liebig's
recommendation. I ordered it on-line at http://www.kksound.com/.

They have range of models for various tasks, ranging in p= rice. The
one I got for $80 (including shipping) is designed for p= iezo-electric
pickups, and it has helped the sound of the Springboard = immensely.

Best regards,
Eric

---------------------
Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon

Upcoming Performances:

Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viadu= ct, 3111 N. Western
Ave. Opening February 23, 2002. For more info call (312)= 409-0400.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18978.2CAADAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 12:42:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10105; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 20 Dec 01 11:30:26 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:10:36 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Slightly OT: Sustainiac Model B and Chapman Stick Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA09830 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all. Apologies for non-loop bandwidth consumption. I'm interested in corresponding with anyone who has mounted a Sustainiac Model B on a Chapman Stick. I'm particularly interested in transducer mounting locations. Thanks -Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 12:50:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10446; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:27:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:27:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:21:58 +0000 Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008901c188db$19007400$7b87abd4@giow2000> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA10176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: "luca" > I suspect my first idea of looping started (near 1984) with the "freeze" > function of my first effect: a Yamaha Spx 90. 1984 was the year that also brought me into looping, thanks to a certain "Ibanez Hold Delay". And I had a cheap harmoniser as well, which I put in the effect loop of the delay. Thus, with each delay slap a new chord was created and textures built up. The effect was mind blowing for me, at that time :), and I ran away booking a festival gig on the spot. I got so inspired that I left my main instrument, the guitar (!), and learned enough tenor sax to blow some sound into that "looping rig" (thought my guitar playing sounded too traditional for the context). Then I engaged a friend guitar player to play another loopdelay stomp box. Our loopers were not synced at all but somehow it worked out anyway - on some gigs together with a third person reading poetry. I remember we were dreaming about being able to "brother sync" the machines and also had this vision of several rhythmically delayed PA systems surrounding us and the audience. The idea was to set off sound from the stage on a bouncing trip all around the venue. Never got to try this out, though (time, money and other recording deals got in the way). Funny memories to dwell on today when we all have access to 5.1, EDP and Repeater. Per Boysen Sweden From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 13:05:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11305; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: My First Impressions Of The Repeater: A non guitarists point of view Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:34:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Christopher, Thanks for the nice comments about our blue beast. If you email me your mailing address I'll get a replacement manual out to you. In the meantime, the complete Repeater manual is available from our website as a PDF. Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: christopher white > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:47 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: My First Impressions Of The Repeater: A non guitarists point > of view > > WOW > > I just got the repeater in the post today and I must say I am completely > and utterly blown away by this fantastic device. I have ran everything > though it from my waterphone,contact miced power outlets, vocals, korg > ms10, etc... and am very happy with the results. Funny thing is my > repeater did not come with a manual for some reason not that it matters, > this thing is fully functional out of the box. Everything is right there > labeled clearly on the front panel---no call for massive menu searching! > > > I need to dive deeper still into this piece (only been running it for 2 > hours now) but I must state again: I am completely impressed with this > little device. Thanks electrixs guys and gals---keep it coming! > Regards and respect, > Christopher White > > PS > I thought this thing was going to be all plastic_E feeling...how wrong I > was! Tis' built like a tank she is! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 14:01:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15377; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:38:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:38:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:33:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Sustainiac Model B and Chapman Stick From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_3Jn7C.A.ZrD.35iI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it kinda is on topic for looping, I think, since it adds wonderful texture to Stick/loop playing. I have a Model B on my Stick and it works fairly well. You will have to experiment on location because there is no one best place for it. Of course trying different locations is difficult because you will need to hold it or clamp it in place to get the best effect. It seemed to work best for me on back of the head stock but I did not want a wire hanging from there. I tried it in various places on the neck but did not want it were my hands would run into it. And if it is too close to the pickups it will just make the most awful squeal you've ever heard. So I settled on a spot just above the belt hook. There are a few dead spots where some notes will not sustain but for the most part it works. I did not want to permanently mount the big magnet so I cut out an 1/8 inch thick steel plate and mounted that with strong adhesive tape. This may not be the best solution because, even though the Model B magnet clings to the steel plate it will fall off if knocked too hard. I do not worry about this since I play sitting and do not perform in public. -Allan on 12/20/01 9:10 AM, KEVIN SIMONSON at RITX075@revenue.state.il.us wrote: > Greetings all. > > Apologies for non-loop bandwidth consumption. I'm interested in corresponding > with anyone who has mounted a Sustainiac Model B on a Chapman Stick. I'm > particularly interested in transducer mounting locations. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 14:14:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16106; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C21B270.6E771E77@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:42:08 -0800 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: James Landen zestlee@penpen.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Apparently-From: Colbyi@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <24luPB.A.r1D.iEjI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know anything about this group member? Was selling gear, we sent him money, he has sent us nothing Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 14:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18488; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.revenue.state.il.us; Thu, 20 Dec 01 13:20:57 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:01:28 -0600 From: "KEVIN SIMONSON" To: Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Sustainiac Model B and Chapman Stick Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA17984 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks very much for the info, Allan. I've experimented with a few locations (just holding the transducer) and i haven't been impressed by the response. I'm going to attempt to mount the unit parallel to the "downward" edge of the back of the headstock. I can't place it between the tuning machines because Tony Levin's signature is there :). If I may ask, what model of stick do you have (wood vs. poly, grand vs. 10, etc.)? I'm using a rosewood grand. -K >>> Allan Hoeltje 12/20/01 12:43PM >>> Well, it kinda is on topic for looping, I think, since it adds wonderful texture to Stick/loop playing. I have a Model B on my Stick and it works fairly well. You will have to experiment on location because there is no one best place for it. Of course trying different locations is difficult because you will need to hold it or clamp it in place to get the best effect. It seemed to work best for me on back of the head stock but I did not want a wire hanging from there. I tried it in various places on the neck but did not want it were my hands would run into it. And if it is too close to the pickups it will just make the most awful squeal you've ever heard. So I settled on a spot just above the belt hook. There are a few dead spots where some notes will not sustain but for the most part it works. I did not want to permanently mount the big magnet so I cut out an 1/8 inch thick steel plate and mounted that with strong adhesive tape. This may not be the best solution because, even though the Model B magnet clings to the steel plate it will fall off if knocked too hard. I do not worry about this since I play sitting and do not perform in public. -Allan on 12/20/01 9:10 AM, KEVIN SIMONSON at RITX075@revenue.state.il.us wrote: > Greetings all. > > Apologies for non-loop bandwidth consumption. I'm interested in corresponding > with anyone who has mounted a Sustainiac Model B on a Chapman Stick. I'm > particularly interested in transducer mounting locations. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 15:11:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20434; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:50:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:50:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01c18974$c42bc8e0$a9924e0c@u73x0> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:44:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Subject: Get your looping music on ther airwaves (Was OT:CD-promo) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Rich wrote: > >>and i already had a hammered dulcimer, which covered me in >>the 'odd instrument i need to apply much more time than i have to >>master in any sort of reasonable manner' department. > > >. . . that's the story of my life! ;-) Except that all my instruments are >"odd" (by most standards) so I have no "regular" or commonly recognized >instruments to fall back on. > >Someone approached me after a performance once and said "You have really >weird instruments -- and I don't mean that as an insult!" I loved it! > >Humorously enough, my wife has a hammered dulcimer (which was the cause of >our meeting in the first place), but I've never really given any time to >trying to play it. I actually have a composed piece I could print out some hammered dulcimer parts for, if your wife and Rich feel like getting together to practice. (There are other parts, for trombone and oboe, that you might play.) (The piece is "DeChonka," at my various mp3 sites.) And Rich's original "odd instrument" comment made me think of two expensive things I've always been tempted to buy but would probably enjoy for only about half an hour: A pedal steel guitar (but think of the looping possibilities!) and bagpipes. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 15:25:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22100; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:02:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:02:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:58:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Sustainiac Model B and Chapman Stick From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, my, god. YOU HAVE TONY LEVIN'S STICK?!? Or did you just get him to sign yours? Mine is a 12 string mohogany with no signatures. -Allan on 12/20/01 11:01 AM, KEVIN SIMONSON at RITX075@revenue.state.il.us wrote: > I've experimented with a few locations (just holding the transducer) and i > haven't been impressed by the response. I'm going to attempt to mount the > unit parallel to the "downward" edge of the back of the headstock. I can't > place it between the tuning machines because Tony Levin's signature is there > :). > > If I may ask, what model of stick do you have (wood vs. poly, grand vs. 10, > etc.)? I'm using a rosewood grand. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 15:40:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22829; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:16:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:16:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c18991$b32e3e20$5c9e3b3e@remco> From: "Remco" To: References: Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Sustainiac Model B and Chapman Stick Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:05:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3due9.A.TcF.rVkI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've played with a (custommade?) unit from Sustainiac called the Sustainman for the last 3 years on my Grand Stick: works FAB!!! My father made a clamp that hold the pickup upside down over the string: the only downside is you loose the last 4 frets, because the Sustainiac-pickup needs to be 80 mm away from the Stick-pickup. But other than that: I couldn't play Stick without it (well.....). Feel free to listen to some samples on my site taken from the CD that will be released next month. That's just Looped Stick (with some extra Tibetan bowls thrown in for fun). Peace, Remco www.editionblue.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 15:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24178; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:25:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:25:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C224811.C7D0FD1B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:27:24 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (not so) odd instruments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just john wrote: > ...snip... > > And Rich's original "odd instrument" comment made me think of two expensive > things I've always been tempted to buy but would probably enjoy for only > about half an hour: A pedal steel guitar (but think of the looping > possibilities!) and bagpipes. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * curious why just 1/2 hour? a pedal steel's been long on my wish list too! but sorry, not bagpipes...at least not yet :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 16:28:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29015; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:07:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:07:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2250DB.AF7920DA@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:58:04 -0500 From: charles cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight posting Subject: cfc card for repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got the 192Mb card from CDW.com and it seems to work fine > Qty Product CDW Part# Price > ---- ------------------------------------------- ---------- --------- > > 1 SimpleTech 192MB CompactFlash card 242723 129.88 > ===================================================================== > > Sub-Total $129.88 > Shipping $5.49 > Sales Tax (0%) $0.00 > Grand Total $135.37 **** What's Charles Up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen (on AOL messenger as beepsandboops and YAHOO messenger as beepsandboops2) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 17:28:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00466; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:05:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:05:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200112202200.fBKM0Cx27618@chmls20.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:56:27 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: OT (not so) odd instruments To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA31424 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, i'm waiting for ups to deliver a new cloudnine 16/16 hammered dulcimer as i post...it's a present for my gf...really looking forward to it. deknow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 18:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04020; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011220230324.89122.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: wanting to make the right choice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mr monk wrote: > hey there, > > > i just finished mixing a new phil keaggy record that i produced and > recorded here at my studio. he does use the jamman and i even > convinced > gibson (when they were still responding to phone calls....) to send > him an > echoplex, but it was too much new technology for him. personally, i > think if > he had gotten into it it would have been a powerful tool for him, but > the > way he uses a jamman is like no other Can you elaborate on the unique way that he uses a jamman? bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 18:59:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05046; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:38:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:38:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2276B9.8CED6418@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:39:46 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Liebig, Steuart A." Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #735 References: <200112202011.PAA22429@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steuart, I'd been meaning to thank you for the recommendation since I've put this preamp into service... Thank you! I hope you have a good holiday break, too. All the best, Eric -- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave. Opening February 23, 2002. For more info call (312) 409-0400. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 20:15:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09176; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:54:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:54:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:46:34 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: software multichannel looper X-Sender-Ip: 66.169.68.241 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey everyone- i posted this to the max/msp list but i thought some of you might be interested: >ive updated the documentation for my multichannel live loop object, fripp~, in max/msp. the new documentation includes an 8 channel looper with independent lengths on each channel, faders, guages, metronome, and synchronization. >source code is included. >here is a link: http://www.angelfire.com/dc/swirlee/loop.html best -yon Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 22:07:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17245; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:45:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:31:36 -0500 Subject: phil keaggy From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011220230324.89122.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well...in addition to being able to do all the stuff that lots of guitarists aspire to... making really cool rhythm loops and playing mindbending masterpieces over top of them... he will play a longish (20 seconds?) classical guitar line BACKWARDS so that when he flips it over it has a mellotron meets hendrix sound and will layer two or three parts on top of it... and he's improvising it all! and he'll do it in an unfamiliar open tuning... i guess it's not his use of the jamman that is so incredible, but his ability to seemlessly integrate it his deep musicality. here's an anecdote. i was backstage and he was absent-mindedly playing what i thought might be a variation on an edvard grieg piece. he's going to town and folks are filtering in and out of the room and he's continuing to play the same piece , but expanding on it... every now and then he'll slow down just slightly and re-tune one of the strings up or down a half or whole step... kind of like adrian legg.. but he's doing it to be able to keep playing what is in his head.. after a while i say..."phil.. how do you keep track of what pitch the strings are tuned to?" he kind of "wakes up" from a slight daze and says "what?... oh i don't." keep in mind this isn't some michael hedges piece with lush chords and lots of rhythm. it full on melody and counterpoint with a third and sometimes fourth voice. it's kind of a lesser reflection of what i imagine bach or mozart to have been like. on a good night it's simply beyond comprehension.. on a bad night he's just amazing. my little opinion. monk on 12/20/01 6:03 PM, Bret at echoplex@yahoo.com wrote: > > --- mr monk wrote: >> hey there, >> >> >> i just finished mixing a new phil keaggy record that i produced and >> recorded here at my studio. he does use the jamman and i even >> convinced >> gibson (when they were still responding to phone calls....) to send >> him an >> echoplex, but it was too much new technology for him. personally, i >> think if >> he had gotten into it it would have been a powerful tool for him, but >> the >> way he uses a jamman is like no other > Can you elaborate on the unique way that he uses a jamman? > bret > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 00:43:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27084; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:21:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:21:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.11140981.29541f69@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:15:21 EST Subject: "a few seconds of pleasure, an eternity of pain ".....(sister mary guitaro) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8b.11140981.29541f69_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8b.11140981.29541f69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/01 2:45:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, just-john@just-john.com writes: > but would probably enjoy for only > about half an hour: A pedal steel guitar the ultimate "celestial communicator" imho.....i have never played one, but i think i could get way more than a half hour of "joy" out of it.....:)m --part1_8b.11140981.29541f69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/01 2:45:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, just-john@just-john.com writes:


but would probably enjoy for only
about half an hour:  A pedal steel guitar


the ultimate "celestial communicator" imho.....i have never played one, but i think i could get way more than a half hour of "joy" out of it.....:)m
--part1_8b.11140981.29541f69_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 00:47:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27191; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:25:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:25:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.108] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VIRUS ALERT! Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:18:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 05:18:24.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA293A40:01C189DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings everyone, There is yet another virus being passed around for the holidays. I picked it up via an e-mail (I hope not from LD, but who knows....) I understand this new virus may not be picked up by anti-virus. i found it in my computer and deleted it. perhaps you would like to check your system. this is how i deleted it. 1. Go to 'start'-then to find or search'(depending on your computer) 2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus 3. In the 'look in' make sure you're searching Drive C. 4. Hit 'search' button (or find) 5. If this file shows up ( it's an ugly blackish icon that will have the name 'sulfnbk.exe' ) DO NOT OPEN IT!!! 6. Right click on the file - go down to delete and left click. 7. It will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin, say yes. 8. Go to your desktop ( where all your icons are) and double click on the recycle bin. 9. Right click on sulfnbk.exe and delete again -or empty the bin. If you find it send this email to everyone in your address book, because that's how it's transferred. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 00:47:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27252; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:26:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:26:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:18:25 EST Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Sustainiac Model B and Chapman Stick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.13a21698.29542021_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f7.13a21698.29542021_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/01 3:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, crossfate@zonnet.nl writes: > My father made a clamp that hold the pickup upside down over the string: what a cool thing!.....thank GOD everyday for your father.....:)m --part1_f7.13a21698.29542021_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/01 3:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, crossfate@zonnet.nl writes:


My father made a clamp that hold the pickup upside down over the string:


what a cool thing!.....thank GOD everyday for your father.....:)m
--part1_f7.13a21698.29542021_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 00:57:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27667; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:35:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:35:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <18f.d657db.29542294@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:28:52 EST Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18f.d657db.29542294_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_18f.d657db.29542294_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about this OT and potentially dumb question but, I found something called sulfnbk.exe on my computer but it has a windows icon with 'microsoft windows' written underneath...is this supposed to be there or could this be what your talking about with a different icon? thanks, -Todd --part1_18f.d657db.29542294_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about this OT and potentially dumb question but, I found something called sulfnbk.exe on my computer but it has a windows icon with 'microsoft windows' written underneath...is this supposed to be there or could this be what your talking about with a different icon?  thanks,  -Todd --part1_18f.d657db.29542294_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:13:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28462; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:51:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.99626994132996.329.616560220718@1.00009891430558> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:41:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Subject: Hoax, OT (was: VIRUS ALERT!) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a known hoax. The presence of that file does not indicate the presence of a virus. Please search anti-virus sites FIRST before you forward things like this! And even if you find legit warnings, please reconsider before posting to a mailing list about looping. It's completely off topic. - Ken kenzo@free-music.com At 05:18 AM 12/21/01 +0000, max valentino wrote: >greetings everyone, There is yet another virus being passed around for the holidays. I picked it up via an e-mail (I hope not from LD, but who knows....) ... >2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:14:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28496; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:52:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:52:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.108] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT! Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:42:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 05:42:00.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[36293910:01C189E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the same thing...someone mailed me with the alert...if you check, the MS icon looks kinda dark, and well, not at all like "authentic" MS icons.... it is also an application (rec'd via the net)...I deleted it. And thought to pass on the heads up. You can probably leave it...just don't open it!! Max >From: THusken@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT! >Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:28:52 EST > >Sorry about this OT and potentially dumb question but, I found something >called sulfnbk.exe on my computer but it has a windows icon with 'microsoft >windows' written underneath...is this supposed to be there or could this be >what your talking about with a different icon? thanks, -Todd _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28611; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:55:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:55:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011220215423.00b6e700@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:55:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: NOT (Re: VIRUS ALERT!) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hoax - not a virus: http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99084 At 09:18 PM 12/20/2001, you wrote: >greetings everyone, There is yet another virus being passed around for >the holidays. I picked it up via an e-mail (I hope not from LD, but who >knows....) > I understand this new virus may not be picked up by anti-virus. i > found it in my computer and deleted it. perhaps you would like to check > your system. this is how i deleted it. > > 1. Go to 'start'-then to find or search'(depending on your computer) > > >2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the >virus > >3. In the 'look in' make sure you're searching Drive C. >4. Hit 'search' button (or find) >5. If this file shows up ( it's an ugly blackish icon that will have the >name 'sulfnbk.exe' ) DO NOT OPEN IT!!! > 6. Right click on the file - go down to delete and left click. > > 7. It will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin, say yes. > > 8. Go to your desktop ( where all your icons are) and double click on > the recycle bin. > >9. Right click on sulfnbk.exe and delete again -or empty the bin. > > If you find it send this email to everyone in your address book, > because that's how it's transferred. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29911; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:00:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:00:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <17b.122928c.29542777@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:49:43 EST Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17b.122928c.29542777_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17b.122928c.29542777_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...thanks again for the heads up! --part1_17b.122928c.29542777_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...thanks again for the heads up! --part1_17b.122928c.29542777_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:29:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30109; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:07:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.39.140.2] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT! - not Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:56:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 05:56:44.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[45029330:01C189E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...all the makings of a hoax. by all appearances, an attempt to get recipients to erase a file that's supposed to be there in the first place. then, of course, the casual and obligatory prompt to "forward this email to everyone you know". caveat emptor. nic > If you find it send this email to everyone in your address book, because >that's how it's transferred. > >Max > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:42:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30850; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:21:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:21:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: VIRUS ALERT! (possible hoax) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:12:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c189e6$77b94b00$062279a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] > Subject: VIRUS ALERT! > > > greetings everyone, There is yet another virus being passed > around for the > holidays. I picked it up via an e-mail (I hope not from LD, but who > knows....) > I understand this new virus may not be picked up by > anti-virus. i found > it in my computer and deleted it. perhaps you would like to check your > system. this is how i deleted it. > > 1. Go to 'start'-then to find or search'(depending on your computer) > > 2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is > the virus What's your source of information that this is a virus? The following text comes from Microsoft's Web Site (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q301316) "Sulfnbk.exe is a Windows utility that is used to restore long file names. This utility is not required to run Windows, but it is necessary if you need to restore long files names if they become damaged or corrupted. " The page also describes how to restore it if it is deleted. Please note that the above does not imply that there isn't a virus that infects sulfnbk.exe. It merely means that the presence of sulfnbk.exe is not _necessarily_ indicative of a virus. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "The trouble with music appreciation in general is that people are taught to have too much respect for music; they should be taught to love it instead." - Igor Stravinsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:43:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30790; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:21:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:21:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.108] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NOT (Re: VIRUS ALERT!) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:09:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 06:09:02.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD07AFA0:01C189E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A thousand apologies for this....I guess I was taken in by a cruel hoax too, and sorry to use up bandwidth at LD.... > >hoax - not a virus: > geez...and I thought i might be spreading some cyber-plague! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:43:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30892; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:22:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:22:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011220215423.00b6e700@pop.mindspring.com> References: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:17:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: NOT (Re: VIRUS ALERT!) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hoax - not a virus: > >http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99084 > ... unless one takes the quite defensible position that Windows ITSELF is a virus ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:43:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30915; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011221061041.14776.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: phil keaggy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-YPetB.A.qYH.mJtI8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks mr monk, I've been a fan of Phil's since the 70's (glass harp..), but not really familiar with his loop work. Can you recommend a recording that features him looping? bret --- mr monk wrote: > well...in addition to being able to do all the stuff that lots of > guitarists > aspire to... making really cool rhythm loops and playing mindbending > masterpieces over top of them... he will play a longish (20 seconds?) > classical guitar line BACKWARDS so that when he flips it over it has > a > mellotron meets hendrix sound and will layer two or three parts on > top of > it... and he's improvising it all! and he'll do it in an unfamiliar > open > tuning... i guess it's not his use of the jamman that is so > incredible, but > his ability to seemlessly integrate it his deep musicality. > > > here's an anecdote. i was backstage and he was absent-mindedly > playing what > i thought might be a variation on an edvard grieg piece. he's going > to town > and folks are filtering in and out of the room and he's continuing to > play > the same piece , but expanding on it... every now and then he'll slow > down > just slightly and re-tune one of the strings up or down a half or > whole > step... kind of like adrian legg.. but he's doing it to be able to > keep > playing what is in his head.. after a while i say..."phil.. how do > you keep > track of what pitch the strings are tuned to?" he kind of "wakes up" > from a > slight daze and says "what?... oh i don't." keep in mind this isn't > some > michael hedges piece with lush chords and lots of rhythm. it full on > melody > and counterpoint with a third and sometimes fourth voice. it's kind > of a > lesser reflection of what i imagine bach or mozart to have been like. > > > on a good night it's simply beyond comprehension.. on a bad night > he's just > amazing. > > my little opinion. > > > > monk > > > > > > on 12/20/01 6:03 PM, Bret at echoplex@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > --- mr monk wrote: > >> hey there, > >> > >> > >> i just finished mixing a new phil keaggy record that i produced > and > >> recorded here at my studio. he does use the jamman and i even > >> convinced > >> gibson (when they were still responding to phone calls....) to > send > >> him an > >> echoplex, but it was too much new technology for him. personally, > i > >> think if > >> he had gotten into it it would have been a powerful tool for him, > but > >> the > >> way he uses a jamman is like no other > > Can you elaborate on the unique way that he uses a jamman? > > bret > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:45:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31082; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:23:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:23:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.108] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT! Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:11:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 06:11:34.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[5741FBB0:01C189E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I over reacted...the whole deal is a hoax! Fortuinately that file is restorable... Some folks idea of humour confuses me....I thought I might be guilty of spreading some cyber-plague, and was in turn doing the right thing by passing on the warning I had rec'd. Hmmmmm sorry about any confusion....Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 02:28:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02145; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.17.121] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: phil keaggy Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:58:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 06:58:03.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[D613BEF0:01C189EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ....About 6 months or so ago, I saw Phil Keaggy in concert. A small, intimate setting. Although I have long recognized and admired his artistry, I am not an aficienado. I went, not to check out a incredible fingerstylist (but boy was I impressed!), but to see how another looper worked the craft live. To put it bluntly, I was nothing less than absolutely amazed. Since I also use a JamMan,( love it and will keep using it even after the Repeater gets here!), I was especially impressed with his "interaction" with that box. Throughout the show, I could be heard, whispering under my breath, "How'd he do that?" and "Oh, I have got to try that!" It was incredibly inspiring, motivating, enlightening, entertaining and educational. Ended up buying a couple of his cds that night.... and nicking a few of his techniques! Max > >well...in addition to being able to do all the stuff that lots of >guitarists >aspire to... making really cool rhythm loops and playing mindbending >masterpieces over top of them... he will play a longish (20 seconds?) >classical guitar line BACKWARDS so that when he flips it over it has a >mellotron meets hendrix sound and will layer two or three parts on top of >it... and he's improvising it all! and he'll do it in an unfamiliar open >tuning... i guess it's not his use of the jamman that is so incredible, but >his ability to seemlessly integrate it his deep musicality. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:23:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22534; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:59:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:59:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <16a.605d4b2.2954988f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:52:15 EST Subject: Re: phil keaggy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max, >To put it bluntly, I was nothing less than absolutely amazed. >It was incredibly inspiring, motivating, enlightening, entertaining and >educational. Ended up buying a couple of his cds that night.... and nicking >a few of his techniques! since i don't get out, much, and probably won't have a chance to see phil k. perform in the near future --- maybe you could take a minute to outline what kinds of techniques/interaction phil employed that got ya freaking? best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:31:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22991; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:00:01 EST Subject: Re: "a few seconds of pleasure, an eternity of pain ".....(sister mary guitaro) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >the ultimate "celestial communicator" imho.....i have never played one, >but i >think i could get way more than a half hour of "joy" out of it.....:)m compare that to my 28-year-long (approx 5 on, 5 off) frustration w/the only instrument that attempts to bridge the gap between fixing your old chevy, ice skating & performing the bach cello suites..... *-) dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:48:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23752; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:24:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:17:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: "a few seconds of pleasure, an eternity of pain ".....(sister mary guitaro) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >>the ultimate "celestial communicator" imho.....i have never played one, >>but i >>think i could get way more than a half hour of "joy" out of it.....:)m > >compare that to my 28-year-long (approx 5 on, 5 off) frustration w/the only >instrument that attempts to bridge the gap between fixing your old chevy, ice >skating & performing the bach cello suites..... >*-) >dt / splattercell Details! Details! (I think it was "The Pink Floyd Movie" where Gilmour operated some sort of pedl steel with exactly the same amount of enthusiasm and stage presence as your average lathe operator.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:54:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24041; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2345B1.C9A6316C@surfbest.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:22:53 -0700 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - virus thing References: <200112210645.BAA32557@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just john offers up: <<<.... unless one takes the quite defensible position that Windows ITSELF is a virus ...>>> It's not a virus...it's a frigging PLAGUE!!! :D Can you guess what platform I use??? -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality 2way Messaging : coolmusic@my2way.com >>> Check out my original music at <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 10:27:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26807; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:03:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: VIRUS ALERT! Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:08:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PLEASE check the validity of these sorts of things before spreading the real virus... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html **The warning is a HOAX** Deleting the file will disable your Windows OS from restoring long file names. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 5:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VIRUS ALERT! greetings everyone, There is yet another virus being passed around for the holidays. I picked it up via an e-mail (I hope not from LD, but who knows....) I understand this new virus may not be picked up by anti-virus. i found it in my computer and deleted it. perhaps you would like to check your system. this is how i deleted it. 1. Go to 'start'-then to find or search'(depending on your computer) 2. In the 'search for files or folders' type in sulfnbk.exe - this is the virus 3. In the 'look in' make sure you're searching Drive C. 4. Hit 'search' button (or find) 5. If this file shows up ( it's an ugly blackish icon that will have the name 'sulfnbk.exe' ) DO NOT OPEN IT!!! 6. Right click on the file - go down to delete and left click. 7. It will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin, say yes. 8. Go to your desktop ( where all your icons are) and double click on the recycle bin. 9. Right click on sulfnbk.exe and delete again -or empty the bin. If you find it send this email to everyone in your address book, because that's how it's transferred. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 11:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29299; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:37:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:37:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.45.207] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: phil keaggy Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:29:55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 15:29:56.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[57E962D0:01C18A34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >>since i don't get out, much, and probably won't have a chance to see phil >>k. >perform in the near future --- >maybe you could take a minute to outline what kinds of >techniques/interaction >phil employed that got ya freaking? >best, >dt / splattercell Hey dt... What "got me freakin'" was the way he employed the JamBoy, to both create accompaniment and texture simnultaneously. He seemed to use the midi-fade functions (fading a loop to a vol. and then OD'ing upon it at the new vol. and then changing to a new loop...great dynamic shifts from what we know is a limited tool). Also, he used the mutes and multiple loop channels in a very creative way...not necessarily just for A and B sections of tunes. Now, this really is not all that breathtaking to EDP or Repeater users, but to witness this being done with just an acoustic guitar (albeit in the hands of a masterful player) and a JAmMAn...well, it got me thinking'. And so, I began to really explore the fade and mute functions in the the JamMan...as well as the backwards stuff (tho I think my DL4 works great for this)...and, here's what really got me, using the delay mode for creating evolving loop textures with the control of feedback levels. It was, the Keaggy show, one of those moments of epiphany which opened my mind and ears to new posibilities of music. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 11:17:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30277; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:50:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:50:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:42:10 EST Subject: Re: "a few seconds of pleasure, an eternity of pain ".....(sister mary guitaro) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just-john@just-john.com writes: >Details! Details! tee-hee..... >(I think it was "The Pink Floyd Movie" where Gilmour operated some sort >of >pedl steel with exactly the same amount of enthusiasm and stage presence >as >your average lathe operator.) right; but, that was a lap-steel --- which is not nearly as complex as a lathe (nor a pedal-steel)! *-) dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 11:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30466; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:45:20 -0800 Subject: Re: FIRST LOOPING MEMORIES From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <191201353.39063@webbox.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can hear 'beginner mind' on my website. http://www.toddreynolds.com and hopefully, ascap is putting out a record that will have a couple of duos on it. Should be out in about 3 months... Look forward to sharing it with you... Best, T. On 12/19/01 10:51 AM, "p koniuto" wrote: > > > > [Todd R:] > >> No, not quite yet. But almost. A couple of the duo pieces > >> he's written for >> us come pretty close to sounding like it, though no >> electronics involved. >> And of course the duo pieces I write for us do include live > >> looping. They >> are not released yet, but if you are interested in hearing > >> some, let me >> know. > > Love to! And will they be released? > >> We are beginning a trio next year with David Cossin >> (www.davidcossin.com), >> who also loops, where we will all be synced up with Plexes > >> probably, we'll >> do sets of improvised and written pieces. If you're up in > >> boston, we'll for >> sure do a set or two up there... > > *DO* gig-spam the list as in advance as you can... > i'll be there. Sounds like quite a trio! > > -peter > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 11:18:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30613; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:53:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:53:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:46:26 EST Subject: Re: phil keaggy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max writes: >What "got me freakin'" was the way he employed the JamBoy, to both create >accompaniment and texture simnultaneously. He seemed to use the midi-fade >functions (fading a loop to a vol. and then OD'ing upon it at the new vol. >and then changing to a new loop...great dynamic shifts from what we know >is a limited tool). apparently, not as limited as you'd previously thought, i guess! *-) >Also, he used the mutes and multiple loop channels in >a very creative way...not necessarily just for A and B sections of tunes. >Now, this really is not all that breathtaking to EDP or Repeater users, >but to witness this being done with just an acoustic guitar (albeit in the >hands of a masterful player) and a JAmMAn...well, it got me thinking'. And so, >I began to really explore the fade and mute functions in the the JamMan...as >well as the backwards stuff (tho I think my DL4 works great for this)...and, >here's what really got me, using the delay mode for creating evolving loop >textures with the control of feedback levels. It was, the Keaggy show, >one of those moments of epiphany which opened my mind and ears to new >posibilities of music. thanks for the exposition! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 12:11:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02272; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:46:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Central Coast Loop Fest Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:38:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 16:38:03.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC077940:01C18A3D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Technical difficulties with my computer prevent me from burning a copy of my looping show today. I will be gone about a week, so you can expect me to send a copy in a little over a week. Jon >From: Hans Lindauer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Rick Walker , Max Valentino , > Loopers Delight , >Matthias Grob , Hans Lindauer , > Ted Killian , Rich Atkison , > Steven Rice , Stan Card , > Tom Heasley , Mark Sottilaro >, Mark Hamburg , > Miko Biffle , Richard Zvonar , > Bill Walker >Subject: Central Coast Loop Fest >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:42:50 -0800 > >Dear Loopers, > >You may have read my e-mail (or will soon, if you get the digest) to the >booking agent of one of the local bars, which I cc:'d to Looper's >Delight, trying to get him to let us have the CCLF at SLO Brewing >Company. If such is the case, you may have noticed that at the end of >the message I promised him a demo of the music we will be creating at >the festival. > >So at this time I would like to ask everybody who is still interested in >participating to either e-mail me a link to your music on-line, or to >snail-mail me a CD to: > >Hans Lindauer >549 Los Osos Valley Rd. >Los Osos, CA 93402 > >Please be aware that I intend to burn this material to CD, but only to >try to get a [free] venue and/or sponsorships to cover any costs, at >this time. MP3-quality tunes should suffice for this purpose, as time >is of the essence for this phase of the project. As the event draws >nearer, I would like to put together a CD-quality disk to distribute to >radio stations and print media to try to get some free press for the >event (and for you). So if you send me a link to your music, please >also mail me a CD and press packet, if possible. > >Matthias Grob has e-mailed me to let me know that he may be in the area >at the time of the event, and if he can make it he has offered to demo >the Echoplex Digital Pro with the new Loop 4 software. This presents >the idea of a looper's workshop. It would be nice if others would >volunteer to demonstrate their looper(s) of choice in a non-performance >setting. > >I'd like to thank everyone who has shown interest - you may notice that >the participant list has grown since the last time I posted to LD >concerning the festival. Thanks especially to Rick Walker for planting >the seed of this idea. Here's everybody so far: > >Rick Walker >Miko Biffle >Max Valentino >Rich Atkinson >Ted Killian >Steven Rice >Stan Card >Jon Wagner >Bill Walker >Richard Zvonar >Tom Heasley >Mark Sottilaro >Matthias Grob >Mark Hamburg >Hans Lindauer > > >-Hans > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 13:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05880; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:41:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:41:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c18a46$0e59e240$3d154ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20011221061041.14776.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: phil keaggy Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:36:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- mr monk wrote: > well...in addition to being able to do all the stuff that lots of > guitarists > aspire to... making really cool rhythm loops and playing mindbending > masterpieces over top of them... he will play a longish (20 seconds?) > classical guitar line BACKWARDS so that when he flips it over it has > a > mellotron meets hendrix sound and will layer two or three parts on > top of > it... and he's improvising it all! and he'll do it in an unfamiliar > open > tuning... i guess it's not his use of the jamman that is so > incredible, but > his ability to seemlessly integrate it his deep musicality. what does the rather Majestic Mr Keaggy use for his backwards loops? I thought he was just a JamMan user...? ...and you being a Keaggy fan Ric makes sense of you playing 'Let Everything Else Go' when you were warming up at the LA Loop fest thingie!! It took me a few minutes to work out what tune it was and where I knew it from. Recently had 'Town to Town' on in the car (whilst on a two month long trawl through old cassettes looking for lost gems) - some incredible playing and writing on there... Looking forward to hearing the album you were working on... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 13:46:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08951; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:22:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:22:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.68.56] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: phil keaggy Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:14:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 18:14:45.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E436560:01C18A4B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what does the rather Majestic Mr Keaggy use for his backwards loops? I >thought he was just a JamMan user. Steve....when I saw him he would use the JamMan in sample mode. There you have the ability to reverse a sample and trigger it either footpedal or by an audio threshold trigger. Either fowards or in reverse. It is only a single sample, no overdubs or continuous loop, but at 32 sec. it can be a pretty long sample. He just played whilst retriggering the reverse sample. Seeing him do stuff like that did make me investigate some of the other "roles" the JamMan could play (outside of the loop mode). Using Delay mode with (almost) infinite feedback, and routing my bass thru an A/B box, gave me a new spin on looping....a continuously evolving delay-line loop. kicking in/out the A/B box allowed me to stop adding to the delay and play over it. The advantage here is being able to, via midi control, change the feedback level, and to have a loop continuously evolve and change over time. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 14:27:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12295; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:02:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:02:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2385A8.38279CBA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:55:37 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: N. Cal Steinberger Repair? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Last night, I noticed my "D" string on my Steinberger bass was very flat. I gave it a turn, and didn't hear a difference. I turned it again...BOING! The reason it was going flat was the string saddle had cracked! It's not a new Spirit, but an older (bought it used in the early 90s) model with a body and the DB-Tuner bridge. Anyone have any idea where to start looking for that beast? Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:54:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22176; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:28:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:28:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:22:03 EST Subject: Re: OT: N. Cal Steinberger Repair? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-vaxdB.A.0UF.Gg6I8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >Last night, I noticed my "D" string on my Steinberger bass was very >flat. I gave it a turn, and didn't hear a difference. I turned it >again...BOING! The reason it was going flat was the string saddle had >cracked! It's not a new Spirit, but an older (bought it used in the >early 90s) model with a body and the DB-Tuner bridge. Anyone have any >idea where to start looking for that beast? steinberger, gibson or musicyo? i think musicyo controls steinberger parts. hth. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 18:43:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29582; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:18:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:18:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c18a76$b4c0e900$90150b3e@c3v8b8> From: "tiscali" To: References: Subject: R: Radio Promo (was: Re: More gratuitous self promotion) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:24:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com salve elio sono graziano accinni posso mandarti un pō di materiale vorrei sapere l'indirizzo dove poterlo spedire grazie ----- Original Message ----- From: Elio DeLuca To: Loopers Delight Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:51 AM Subject: Radio Promo (was: Re: More gratuitous self promotion) > For future reference, the folks at WMFO-FM in Medford, MA do a solid job > of promoting new music, and are always up for receiving CD's of stuff. > The station is at 91.5 FM, and has streaming audio at wmfo.org. It's one > of the smaller-wattage college stations in the Boston area, but the > programming is totally freeform (DJ-chosen), and there's wide support for > the local scene, especially the new and different. I run tech down there > for on-air bands sometimes, and have worked with them for many years > producing shows & events. Even used their studios to record, late-night, a > few times, and quite successfully. > > Send CD's to: > > Music Director > WMFO-FM > P.O. Box 65 > Medford, MA 02155 > > Always trying to get loopy music on the air.... > > Elio > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 20:28:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03717; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C23DA29.C7D9DF5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:56:10 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New live track References: <007b01c18a76$b4c0e900$90150b3e@c3v8b8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, My wife (Valerie, on the keyboards), my friend Katrin (DJ/Drummachine), and I (guitar) played a halloween party and I finally got around to going over the minidisk and pulling tracks from it. The first one done is up at http://www.zerocrossing.net/dogsong.mp3 enjoy. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07629; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C23EC66.660948D@bcpl.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:13:03 -0400 From: Michael Preston/Kristin Seeberger Reply-To: seepres@bcpl.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: N. Cal Steinberger Repair? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <68qEq.A.n0B.Cs-I8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >Last night, I noticed my "D" string on my Steinberger bass was very > >flat. I gave it a turn, and didn't hear a difference. I turned it > >again...BOING! The reason it was going flat was the string saddle had > >cracked! It's not a new Spirit, but an older (bought it used in the > >early 90s) model with a body and the DB-Tuner bridge. Anyone have any > >idea where to start looking for that beast? Saddles here for a DIY job: http://www.mightymite.com/steinberger.html though no DB-Tuner parts. They might know where to find them... Good luck! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 00:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14426; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:51:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:51:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looping Transparency Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:45:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping live report from San Diego-- Played last night with my old buddy Tom Cunningham (bluegrass guy--Wayne Rice's fiddle player) for a Christmas party and not one comment about "where's the other guitar coming from?" (Tom is also a fine guitarist but kept it in the case all night--another indication that everything was under control). I don't know if I should be insulted that all my hard work is being ignored or grateful they don't ask me to "keep it simple stupid" . . . Anyway, I got the New Year's gig so I will be a bit more abstract and see if anyone complains--I reckon I really do want trouble but for now, here's to transparency! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 07:00:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03209; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:36:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:36:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: Fs: Korg DL8000r AM8000r Reflex Sequential Drumtraks Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 04:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: <008d01c18adb$be7bcd60$6393adcf@musicmahn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg AM8000r multi fx $250 Korg DL8000r delay 5 sec stereo, 10 sec mono $250 (on the looper's delight list of tools) Lexicon Reflex reverb + some chorus, delay $125 Sequential Circuits Drumtraks drumtracks with many extra sound chips going into 4 changeable chip sockets. Later operating sys installed allows scaling the tuning of any instrument along a midi keyboard up to its 16 steps, also velocity response. $300 All excellent condition, no problems. COD, money order, or paypal if you cover that annoying 3% fee. Eric Zang Phoenix, AZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 12:30:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21591; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:06:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:06:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:51:37 -0500 Subject: Re: phil keaggy From: mr monk To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011221061041.14776.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 12/21/01 1:10 AM, Bret at echoplex@yahoo.com wrote: > Thanks mr monk, > I've been a fan of Phil's since the 70's (glass harp..), but not really > familiar with his loop work. Can you recommend a recording that > features him looping? > bret well there are a couple of looping recordings... but none of them capture 10% of what happens in a good live show. the "acoustic sketches"album has some looping as does "on the fly" ( although.. in my opinion neither are great records.) if you want to hear some of his great playing check out "beyond nature" for acoustic music (sans loops) or for electric "rock" guitar playing i think the "blue" record is pretty cool and there is a decent cover on there of badfinger's "baby blue" too... he is one person who i fear wil never make the great record that's in him..but here are my favorites . some are somewhat sentimental choices because i was a young zealous religious freak at the time and the occasional clunkly lyric didn't bother me then and only amuses me now.. the master and the musician what a day town to town crimson and blue sunday's child beyond nature. for what it;s worth... by the way i got to jam with glass harp this year! quite a treat. peace monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 12:55:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22552; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:31:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:31:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C24C2D2.C4F4AB19@cstone.net> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:28:53 -0500 From: John Hunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Boomerang! Mint! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loop that sound carpet! Boomerang Phrase Sampler. Like-new, with internal upgrade for extended recording, over-dubbing, looping. Reverse, 1/2 speed, RCA & 1/4 I/Os, steel chassis. With manual, and power supply. No trades, $350 shipping included in the US. Contact: John Hunter, 804-971-7208 Zip: 22901 TIA, John Hunter Black Lotus Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 13:10:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23153; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:44:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tekpagan@mail.vex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008d01c18adb$be7bcd60$6393adcf@musicmahn> References: <008d01c18adb$be7bcd60$6393adcf@musicmahn> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:36:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Antony Balcerzak Subject: Re: Fs: Korg DL8000r AM8000r Reflex Sequential Drumtraks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2gPna.A.TkF.WSMJ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I am interested in the Lexicon reflex. Will You ship to Canada? Regards Tony. >Korg AM8000r multi fx $250 > >Korg DL8000r delay 5 sec stereo, 10 sec mono $250 (on the looper's >delight list of tools) > >Lexicon Reflex reverb + some chorus, delay $125 > >Sequential Circuits Drumtraks >drumtracks with many extra sound chips going into 4 >changeable chip sockets. Later operating sys installed >allows scaling the tuning of any instrument along a >midi keyboard up to its 16 steps, also velocity >response. $300 > >All excellent condition, no problems. >COD, money order, or paypal if you cover that annoying 3% fee. > >Eric Zang >Phoenix, AZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 13:49:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26183; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C24CF91.64F6FFE9@cstone.net> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:23:14 -0500 From: John Hunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fs: Korg DL8000r AM8000r Reflex Sequential Drumtraks References: <008d01c18adb$be7bcd60$6393adcf@musicmahn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A very old ad, I'm afraid. Its long gone. Good hunting. John Antony Balcerzak wrote: > Hi I am interested in the Lexicon reflex. Will You ship to Canada? > > Regards Tony. > > >Korg AM8000r multi fx $250 > > > >Korg DL8000r delay 5 sec stereo, 10 sec mono $250 (on the looper's > >delight list of tools) > > > >Lexicon Reflex reverb + some chorus, delay $125 > > > >Sequential Circuits Drumtraks > >drumtracks with many extra sound chips going into 4 > >changeable chip sockets. Later operating sys installed > >allows scaling the tuning of any instrument along a > >midi keyboard up to its 16 steps, also velocity > >response. $300 > > > >All excellent condition, no problems. > >COD, money order, or paypal if you cover that annoying 3% fee. > > > >Eric Zang > >Phoenix, AZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 16:12:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01185; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:48:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:48:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:41:44 EST Subject: NYC Loopfest To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ac.1fead141.29564a08_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ac.1fead141.29564a08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anything happening with the nyc loopfest - i seem to have fallen out of the .... nah, i can't do it - seriously, wot up with it? harry --part1_ac.1fead141.29564a08_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anything happening with the nyc loopfest - i seem to have fallen out of the .... nah, i can't do it  - seriously, wot up with it?  harry --part1_ac.1fead141.29564a08_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 20:02:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14570; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:38:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:38:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c18b48$f556d7e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <200112132250.RAA03848@hemlock.violacea.com> <3C1940F2.986A35D7@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: EDP prob Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:29:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A short follow up to my issue- It climaxed in the unit shutting down- in addition to the strt screen repeating ad infinium. I opened it back up and very carefully loosened the EPROMs a few times and re-seated them- the problem seems to have been cured- just important to take care when loosening the chips- they are very tightly seated and it could be easy to damage the unit during this process- Hopefully this was the culprit- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 02:05:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01361; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:41:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:41:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:34:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy -- looping in general From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112221810.NAA25294@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3091916094_6910030_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3091916094_6910030_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit well there are a couple of looping recordings... but none of them capture 10% of what happens in a good live show. > he is one person who i fear wil never make the great record that's in > him..but here are my favorites . I have been following this Phil Keaggy thread and find these comments fascinating, because they are pointing to something that I am discovering in looping. I've been looping for about a year now, and find that I absolutely love it at home. I can get lost in loops, I can play and hit wonderful zones where I feel that I can go on forever, I sometimes create loops that I can listen to for a long long time and go to some wonderful emotional places with. However, sometimes it's just dry -- and not really happening -- and this seems pretty much out of my control. And this makes it kind of scary for live performances. I like the freedom of looping. I don't really like planning things in advance -- but it seems out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not. Another thing that seems to make things work or not is, the levels of overdubbed sounds in a loop really contribute to making something ordinary or magical -- and this seems hard to control, too. I recently did a half hour of live looped music in Williamsburg accompanying modern dance. We recorded two nights of videos -- and the first night (which, oddly, I thought was the better one) made me cringe. The second night was pretty good. I'm wondering if my looping experience is par for the course, or if there's something I'm missing -- anyone have any thoughts on this? --MS_Mac_OE_3091916094_6910030_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Phil Keaggy -- looping in general  well there are a couple of looping recordings.= .. but none of them capture
10% of what happens in a good live show.

> he is one person who i fear wil never make the great record that's in<= BR> > him..but here are my favorites .

I have been following this Phil Keaggy thread and find these comment= s fascinating, because they are pointing to something that I am discovering = in looping.
I've been looping for about a year now, and find that I absolutely love it = at home.  I can get lost in loops, I can play and hit wonderful zones w= here I feel that I can go on forever, I sometimes create loops that I can li= sten to for a long long time and go to some wonderful emotional places with.=
However, sometimes it's just dry -- and not really happening -- and this se= ems pretty much out of my control.
And this makes it kind of scary for live performances.  I like the fre= edom of looping.  I don't really like planning things in advance -- but= it seems out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not. Another thing that seems to make things work or not is, the levels of overd= ubbed sounds in a loop really contribute to making something ordinary or mag= ical -- and this seems hard to control, too.
I recently did a half hour of live looped music in Williamsburg accompanyin= g modern dance.  We recorded two nights of videos -- and the first nigh= t (which, oddly, I thought was the better one) made me cringe.  The sec= ond night was pretty good.  
I'm wondering if my looping experience is par for the course, or if there's= something I'm missing -- anyone have any thoughts on this?

--MS_Mac_OE_3091916094_6910030_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 02:44:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03978; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:13:50 EST Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy -- looping in general To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.1940f79d.2956de2e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Resent-Message-ID: <6TfY3B.A.-6.SRYJ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bd.1940f79d.2956de2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Often, if I let a terrible sounding loop run long enough, I find myself discerning underlying rhythmic and melodic patterns that eventually sound peacefully coherent! -Todd --part1_bd.1940f79d.2956de2e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Often, if I let a terrible sounding loop run long enough, I find myself discerning underlying rhythmic and melodic patterns that eventually sound peacefully coherent!   -Todd --part1_bd.1940f79d.2956de2e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 06:36:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19144; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 06:12:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 06:12:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: ON TOPIC - Was: Re: Phil Keaggy -- looping in general - nothing ventured, nothing expressed Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 06:12:53 -0600 Message-ID: <01c18bab$26064c60$726b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Steve Sandberg >I've been looping for about a year now, and find that I absolutely love it >at home. I can get lost in loops, I can play and hit wonderful zones where >I feel that I can go on forever, I sometimes create loops that I can listen >to for a long long time and go to some wonderful emotional places with. >However, sometimes it's just dry -- and not really happening -- and this >seems pretty much out of my control. >And this makes it kind of scary for live performances. I like the freedom >of looping. I don't really like planning things in advance -- but it seems >out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not. >Another thing that seems to make things work or not is, the levels of >overdubbed sounds in a loop really contribute to making something ordinary >or magical -- and this seems hard to control, too. >I recently did a half hour of live looped music in Williamsburg accompanying >modern dance. We recorded two nights of videos -- and the first night >(which, oddly, I thought was the better one) made me cringe. The second >night was pretty good. >I'm wondering if my looping experience is par for the course, or if there's >something I'm missing -- anyone have any thoughts on this? > > GET OUT! Keep doing it. It makes sense because it touches a part of you that your average self only gets the chance to glimpse into the infinite nothing (ya lucky stiff!) and let's be honest now. It's scary in an exhilaratingly scary kind of way. So go and play and record and share it and find the space where live performance is an extension of your life as much as you let the loop run it's course through your life. Keep going from home and record and write around in the pure bliss that can be captured in this way. This moving canvas is for all of us to use. Throw up some paint, the canvas is moving again and there is plenty of room for many. So get to it bro! best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2001 Post Script - i'm sleepy many days and nights with music and a hyper-aware state forces the above good fun! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 13:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05493; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:40:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:40:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:33:32 EST Subject: new guy (hello) ... set up question To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.1ffc375d.29576f6c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e4.1ffc375d.29576f6c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I'm new to all of this and wanted to say hello! Two days ago I received my order for a pair of the new Gibson echoplex units, as well as the floor pedals to run them... I put a link to loopers delight on my web site, and joined this e-group last night I am very curious as to how others set up to loop, if you don't mind I would like to start by describing my set up as to leave my self vulnerable to criticism and/or suggestion... Warrior 9 string bass (F#, B, E, A, D, G, C, F, A#) into a Morley "little alligator" volume pedal ... after the little alligator, the signal splits by way of a Morley ABY splitter... The left side which I call the bass effect channel goes through an EBS Octabass > EBS BASSiq > Morley pro series II BASS WAH > echoplex > into one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your ear... The right side which I call the guitar effect channel goes through a Digitech whammy 4 > i send a dry into one channel of another Morley ABY splitter and the wet into the other channel, they combine as one and go into a Morley pro series distortion/wah/volume pedal > echoplex > into one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your ear... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_e4.1ffc375d.29576f6c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I'm new to all of this and wanted to say hello! Two days ago I received my order for a pair of the new Gibson echoplex units, as well as the floor pedals to run them... I put a link to loopers delight on my web site, and joined this e-group last night I am very curious as to how others set up to loop, if you don't mind I would like to start by describing my set up as to leave my self vulnerable to criticism and/or suggestion...

Warrior 9 string bass (F#, B, E, A, D, G, C, F, A#) into a Morley "little alligator" volume pedal ... after the little alligator, the signal splits by way of a Morley ABY splitter...

The left side which I call the bass effect channel goes through an EBS Octabass > EBS BASSiq > Morley pro series II BASS WAH > echoplex > into one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your ear...

The right side which I call the guitar effect channel goes through a Digitech whammy 4 > i send a dry into one channel of another Morley ABY splitter and the wet into the other channel, they combine as one and go into a Morley pro series distortion/wah/volume pedal > echoplex > into one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your ear...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_e4.1ffc375d.29576f6c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 13:38:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07741; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:12:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:12:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:05:15 -0800 Subject: Re: ON TOPIC - Was: Re: Phil Keaggy -- looping in general - nothing ventured, nothing expressed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01c18bab$26064c60$726b580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Message-Id: <9DC69418-F7CF-11D5-8B5E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I agree with Pedro. Keep on keep'n on. You probably reach that "sweet spot" at home because you're relaxed. Easy to slip into that zen like state. Live gigs are always a bit of stress out for me, but less so after I've been playing them for a while. I find that I can deal with a highly complex setup at home, but am baffled by the same setup live. Both the playing of and set up. Brain tends to seize up, as does gear. (Like why did my JamMan stop taking MIDI from my Yamaha MIDI pedal when I jammed at a friends house last weekend? Who knows?) Anyway, the good news is that I find when I keep things simple, and a play out more and more, I find that sweet spot comes easier and easier. I also find it helps to start off with a cover before you go into straight loop improv. Warms you up a bit. Good luck. Mark On Sunday, December 23, 2001, at 04:12 AM, Pedro Felix wrote: > snips > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Sandberg >> I've been looping for about a year now, and find that I absolutely >> love it >> at home. I can get lost in loops, I can play and hit wonderful zones >> where >> I feel that I can go on forever, I sometimes create loops that I can >> listen >> to for a long long time and go to some wonderful emotional places with. >> However, sometimes it's just dry -- and not really happening -- and >> this >> seems pretty much out of my control. >> And this makes it kind of scary for live performances. I like the >> freedom >> of looping. I don't really like planning things in advance -- but it >> seems >> out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not. >> Another thing that seems to make things work or not is, the levels of >> overdubbed sounds in a loop really contribute to making something >> ordinary >> or magical -- and this seems hard to control, too. >> I recently did a half hour of live looped music in Williamsburg > accompanying >> modern dance. We recorded two nights of videos -- and the first night >> (which, oddly, I thought was the better one) made me cringe. The >> second >> night was pretty good. >> I'm wondering if my looping experience is par for the course, or if >> there's >> something I'm missing -- anyone have any thoughts on this? >> >> > GET OUT! Keep doing it. It makes sense because it touches a part of you > that > your average self only gets the chance to glimpse into the infinite > nothing > (ya lucky stiff!) and let's be honest now. It's scary in an > exhilaratingly > scary kind of way. So go and play and record and share it and find the > space > where live performance is an extension of your life as much as you let > the > loop run it's course through your life. Keep going from home and record > and > write around in the pure bliss that can be captured in this way. This > moving > canvas is for all of us to use. Throw up some paint, the canvas is > moving > again and there is plenty of room for many. So get to it bro! > best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2001 > Post Script - i'm sleepy many days and nights with music and a > hyper-aware > state forces the above good fun! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 13:50:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08368; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:24:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:24:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:16:41 -0800 Subject: Re: new guy (hello) ... set up question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-759430833 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <36EB33AA-F7D1-11D5-8B5E-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-759430833 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed That sounds as good a set up as any. You'll probably want to get yourself a patch bay at one point, so you can put your effects pre or post loop. I love the fact that the Repeater has an effect loop that lets you place things before (gets recorded as part of the loop) or after (effects get put on the looped material only) My only wish was for a third option that put the effects loop after everything, so what I'm playing and the loop could be effects. But, how it is now is pretty damn good. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, December 23, 2001, at 09:33 AM, KkstrtChby@aol.com wrote: > Hello I'm new to all of this and wanted to say hello! Two days ago I > received my order for a pair of the new Gibson echoplex units, as well > as the floor pedals to run them... I put a link to loopers delight on > my web site, and joined this e-group last night I am very curious as to > how others set up to loop, if you don't mind I would like to start by > describing my set up as to leave my self vulnerable to criticism and/or > suggestion... > > Warrior 9 string bass (F#, B, E, A, D, G, C, F, A#) into a Morley > "little alligator" volume pedal ... after the little alligator, the > signal splits by way of a Morley ABY splitter... > > The left side which I call the bass effect channel goes through an EBS > Octabass > EBS BASSiq > Morley pro series II BASS WAH > echoplex > into > one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> > into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your > ear... > > The right side which I call the guitar effect channel goes through a > Digitech whammy 4 > i send a dry into one channel of another Morley ABY > splitter and the wet into the other channel, they combine as one and go > into a Morley pro series distortion/wah/volume pedal > echoplex > into > one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> > into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your > ear... > > Thanks, > Gregory Bruce Campbell > www.kickstartchubby.com > --Apple-Mail-2-759430833 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII That sounds as good a set up as any. You'll probably want to get yourself a patch bay at one point, so you can put your effects pre or post loop. I love the fact that the Repeater has an effect loop that lets you place things before (gets recorded as part of the loop) or after (effects get put on the looped material only) My only wish was for a third option that put the effects loop after everything, so what I'm playing and the loop could be effects. But, how it is now is pretty damn good. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, December 23, 2001, at 09:33 AM, KkstrtChby@aol.com wrote: ArialHello I'm new to all of this and wanted to say hello! Two days ago I received my order for a pair of the new Gibson echoplex units, as well as the floor pedals to run them... I put a link to loopers delight on my web site, and joined this e-group last night I am very curious as to how others set up to loop, if you don't mind I would like to start by describing my set up as to leave my self vulnerable to criticism and/or suggestion... Warrior 9 string bass (F#, B, E, A, D, G, C, F, A#) into a Morley "little alligator" volume pedal ... after the little alligator, the signal splits by way of a Morley ABY splitter... The left side which I call the bass effect channel goes through an EBS Octabass > EBS BASSiq > Morley pro series II BASS WAH > echoplex > into one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your ear... The right side which I call the guitar effect channel goes through a Digitech whammy 4 > i send a dry into one channel of another Morley ABY splitter and the wet into the other channel, they combine as one and go into a Morley pro series distortion/wah/volume pedal > echoplex > into one channel on my Roland VS880 > into one channel of my peavey Kosmos> into one channel of my peavey dpc100 > into one peavey 210tx into your ear... Thanks, 0000,0000,0000Greg0000,0000,0000ory Bruce Campbell 1999,1999,FFFFwww.kickstartchubby.com --Apple-Mail-2-759430833-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 16:54:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20575; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:21:18 +0000 Subject: keaggy again... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>the master and the musician what a day town to town crimson and blue sunday's child beyond nature.<<< that's freaky - with the exception of What a Day (don't have that one), that would be my Keaggy list as well! (with the same caveat about some of the lyrics... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 22:43:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08183; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:19:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:19:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:12:20 EST Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy -- looping out of control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.13c1fce4.2957f714_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f7.13c1fce4.2957f714_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/23/01 1:36:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes: > but it seems out of my control whether anything is going to work live or > not. > steve.....this is the "charm" of live looping.....kismet can take me only so far.....turning a poor loop into something interesting can be fun.....i have to own my bad music as well as my good.....well, maybe not.....i dont remember anymore.....:)m --part1_f7.13c1fce4.2957f714_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/23/01 1:36:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes:


but it seems out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not.


steve.....this is the "charm" of live looping.....kismet can take me only so far.....turning a poor loop into something interesting can be fun.....i have to own my bad music as well as my good.....well, maybe not.....i dont remember anymore.....:)m
--part1_f7.13c1fce4.2957f714_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 22:48:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08443; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:24:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.3ebdfe6.2957f872@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:10 EST Subject: Re: new guy (hello) ... set up question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.3ebdfe6.2957f872_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <23ab9C.A.K_B.55pJ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5a.3ebdfe6.2957f872_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/23/01 12:35:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes: > Hello I'm new to all of this and wanted to say hello! greg.....welcome.....you have come to the right place to ask your questions but please use a bigger font, i cant afford both glasses and looping stuff.....:)m --part1_5a.3ebdfe6.2957f872_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/23/01 12:35:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, KkstrtChby@aol.com writes:


Hello I'm new to all of this and wanted to say hello!


greg.....welcome.....you have come to the right place to ask your questions but please use a bigger font, i cant afford both glasses and looping stuff.....:)m
--part1_5a.3ebdfe6.2957f872_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 08:19:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05057; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:54:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:54:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c18c92$41c79fc0$752853c8@default> From: "Daniel" To: , Cc: Subject: musicien chilien Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:47:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C18C5F.F6B93840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0ijVhD.A.VHB.DQyJ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C18C5F.F6B93840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable any musician in France can contact my guitarrist friend at : gatosepulveda@yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C18C5F.F6B93840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C18C5F.F6B93840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 08:46:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07120; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0c4501c18c7d$0d1ba240$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Christmas Greetings Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:15:24 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2wdB4D.A.TrB.spyJ8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And Felicitations to all! This is a mere offering of this year's Christmas card this year, at http://www.earthlight.net/Christmas2001.html - and it carries our warmest wishes with it. Also EarthLight Studios is giving forth a new loop each day until the 27th, at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - today's is something one can play continuously throughout. Best and Greetings, Stephen & Sarah Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 10:23:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13761; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:59:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:59:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C27425C.FFF5CF84@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:57:33 -0500 From: John Hunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Opps! Not my sale! References: <200112241346.IAA08261@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Guys. Didn't see that this post was from the List. I had the same gear for sale awhile back and thought it for me. :-P. Hey, that stuff might still be for sale after all! John Hunter Black Lotus Sound > Subject: > Re: Fs: Korg DL8000r AM8000r Reflex Sequential Drumtraks > Date: > Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:36:14 -0500 > From: > Antony Balcerzak > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Hi I am interested in the Lexicon reflex. Will You ship to Canada? > > Regards Tony. > > >Korg AM8000r multi fx $250 > > > >Korg DL8000r delay 5 sec stereo, 10 sec mono $250 (on the looper's > >delight list of tools) > > > >Lexicon Reflex reverb + some chorus, delay $125 > > > >Sequential Circuits Drumtraks > >drumtracks with many extra sound chips going into 4 > >changeable chip sockets. Later operating sys installed > >allows scaling the tuning of any instrument along a > >midi keyboard up to its 16 steps, also velocity > >response. $300 > > > >All excellent condition, no problems. > >COD, money order, or paypal if you cover that annoying 3% fee. > > > >Eric Zang > >Phoenix, AZ > > > Subject: > Re: Fs: Korg DL8000r AM8000r Reflex Sequential Drumtraks > Date: > Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:23:14 -0500 > From: > John Hunter > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > A very old ad, I'm afraid. Its long gone. Good hunting. > > John > > Antony Balcerzak wrote: > > > Hi I am interested in the Lexicon reflex. Will You ship to Canada? > > > > Regards Tony. > > > > >Korg AM8000r multi fx $250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 10:41:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14583; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:17:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:17:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c18c8d$0f574720$bb83abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: "Sam Kaluf" , "Ron Norris" , "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" , "Paul Pokorski" , "one less than none" , "Mark Landman" , , "Ken" , "Jason Fink" , "Hoover Alan" , "Glenn King" , , , "Eric Williamson" , "Dieter Waechter" , "Deathchicken" , , "Blue Lemon" , "Alto Music" Subject: Christmas Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:02:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C18C94.5C21EC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da pių parti. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C18C94.5C21EC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear and warm wishes of a serene and happy Christmas and a great 2002. 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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C18C94.5C21EC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 11:18:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15967; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:54:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:54:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <193.3bd350.2958a7fe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:47:10 EST Subject: UK reviews (for LD?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have reviews of the Repeater, the Line 6 Echo Pro (rack version of DL4) and Boss RC-20 (looping phrase recorder , 10 x 30s loops) These are all jpged and zipped ready to send. If anyone's desperate for them mail me off list, the whole set's a megabyte big. (Kim?) Would they be useful for the LD site. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 11:37:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17835; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:13:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:13:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:06:16 +0000 Subject: the extension of the Keaggy thread about looping live... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>From: Steve Sandberg >I've been looping for about a year now, and find that I absolutely love it >at home. I can get lost in loops, I can play and hit wonderful zones where >I feel that I can go on forever, I sometimes create loops that I can listen >to for a long long time and go to some wonderful emotional places with. >However, sometimes it's just dry -- and not really happening -- and this >seems pretty much out of my control. >And this makes it kind of scary for live performances. I like the freedom >of looping. I don't really like planning things in advance -- but it seems >out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not. >Another thing that seems to make things work or not is, the levels of >overdubbed sounds in a loop really contribute to making something ordinary >or magical -- and this seems hard to control, too. >I recently did a half hour of live looped music in Williamsburg accompanying >modern dance. We recorded two nights of videos -- and the first night >(which, oddly, I thought was the better one) made me cringe. The second >night was pretty good. >I'm wondering if my looping experience is par for the course, or if there's >something I'm missing -- anyone have any thoughts on this?<<< Just to echo (loop? evolve? cross-fade from?) what everyone else has said - you just got to do it. A few things that helped me early on - the first was having some gigs booked to think towards - nothing focusses your thought WRT gigs like actually having gigs on the horizon. It made me do two things - practice the 'tunes' I'd started to write (basically just cells that were the basis for further improv, though some have no morphed into actual compositions - shock!horror! ) and the other was to practice improv - to develop a level of control and awareness that I could execute the ideas that were coming to me, and also mould the ideas as they came out of the loops into the next thing. I also very quickly realised that in an improv setting there are a few components that go into making the music what it is - you, your state of mind, your gear, your history, the audience, your relationsip with them, your perception of your relationship with them, the venue, background noise and temparature. when you're playing at home, a lot of that is very different to when you are doing a gig, so the flow of ideas is modified, and I find that given favourable conditions, my concentration is working at a much much higher level in front of an audience. I've got quite good at allowing an audience to inspire me rather than restrict me, though there have been occasions when I've censored my own music for being to odd in the face of a non-plussed audience (one of the perils of doing varied stuff I'm afraid - if someone books me on the strength of the nice pleasant stuff on my first solo album, and then gets some more 'noise' oriented stuff, it can be a little shocking - there were a few people who came to see the solo bass looping tour that Rick Walker, Michael Manring, Mox Valentino and myself undertook earlier in the year, having heard my solo stuff before, and were a bit traumatised by some of the more bizarre improv moments in the Manring/Walker/Lawson trio stuff... :o) So say I, get out there and book up some gigs - it'd probably help if you had some sort of tape of the kind of thing you're doing, just so venue owners etc. know what they are getting, but if you're willing to play for free, you may well be able to find coffee shop stuff to get some practice... have fun - the worst thing that can happen is that you're totally rubbish, and that's not so bad - you just have another go and hope to get better with time... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 11:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18531; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:24:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:24:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011301c18c95$f7ab50e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: the extension of the Keaggy thread about looping live... Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:13:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lawson > A few things that helped me early on - the first was > having some gigs booked to think towards - nothing focusses your thought WRT > gigs like actually having gigs on the horizon > So say I, get out there and book up some gigs - it'd probably help if you > had some sort of tape of the kind of thing you're doing, just so venue > owners etc. know what they are getting, but if you're willing to play for > free, you may well be able to find coffee shop stuff to get some practice... ??? Steve Sandberg is a professional musician. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 13:29:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24296; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:05:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:05:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c18ca4$2ec6f300$b6650f3f@6946cjm7q384> Reply-To: "Miracle Mary-Anne Music" From: "Miracle Mary-Anne Music" To: References: <011301c18c95$f7ab50e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Subject: Request: Purchasing roland mc-303 <$200. Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:55:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DEAR LOOPING LIST: I am new to the sequencer box arena (ie. roland 3030,505,etc) and I do not have any hardware for this purpose. I do have many software programs for the above backing tracks work. I have located a new condition ROLAND MC-303 groovebox in upstate NY for less than $200.00 I see them in Musician's friend for $499. Is that a good deal, less than 200., to get started with seq hardware, or should I look for other devices that would serve my purposes better. Just looking for a start up unit to build some tracks with synths and tapping/string instrument music. I'm on a learning curve and thought it looked reasonable. If you could suggest some links or sites to learn about the boxes, I would appreciate the help. THANKS Pete Francz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 14:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27765; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:05:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:05:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:56:15 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Christmas?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.27.149.125 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26177 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Grazie cari! Belli i siti! AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI DA ITALO & ANNABELLA ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 14:30:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27639; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:05:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:05:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:55:59 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Christmas?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.27.149.125 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26155 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Grazie cari! Belli i siti! AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI AUGURI DA ITALO & ANNABELLA ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 15:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32042; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C278C10.E36B2BB5@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:12:01 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: More on the perils of live looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good points made by everyone here... a few additional ideas that come to my mind: It's really useful to learn how to "steer" your looping in a particular direction. This applies both in general musical terms (i.e. being able to hear complementary notes/harmonies/rhythms to add to whatever is already in the loop) and in specific technical terms as well -- the finer points of the particular gear you're looping with, and what it can (and can't) do. Exploring the deeper technical points of your looper is a good way of becoming more fluid and authoriative with the unit, and it also can help steer an improv in a specific direction, by helping you to focus on one or two particular techniques. Feedback, loop volume, insertmode=replace (on an EDP), tempo/pitch change (on a Repeater), multiply, undo... these are all hugely powerful tools that can turn a ho-hum loop into something really special (or vica versa!) Try practicing by specifically isolating a small number of looping features, and see how much milage you can squeeze out of them. If you're used to using a lot of effects processing in your rig, try removing everything except the looper and the input instrument, and find ways of cultivating musical interest without anything else in the signal chain (this has been a huge help for me personally). Like Steve, I actually find it easier in some ways to loop in front of a live audience, or when I'm recording. Doing it at home on my own time, without an audience or rolling tape/disk, is more relaxed, but perhaps for that very reason I have a harder time focusing on the stuff as a specific musical event right then and there. Specifically sitting down and recording what I do as I practice at home is really helpful to me, because it forces me to think in a very immediate mindset, in terms of creating a cohesive statement right then and there. (It's also useful to be able to listen back after the fact.) I think a big part of learning how to loop successfully (whether live or otherwise) involves being open to the idea of NOT necessarily being in complete control all the time... but rather being open to mistakes and random musical events, and then cultivating enough technique to be able to steer those random, serendipitous events into a particular direction. That said, though, a lot of the "peril" of looping stems from the fundamental "peril" of improvising, I think. And as such, there are always going to be some that don't quite get off the ground. I also agree with the general attitude about doing several shows as practice, and would agree with Steve's idea that a low-key coffeehouse environment can be a good way to go. I sympathize with David Beardsley's comment about Steve Sandburg (or anyone else) being a professional... I guess my answer would be that sometimes it can be in a professional's interest to forego a bit of payment in the short term, in the interest of cultivating a solid foundation of experience. You might think of potential income lost on doing a free gig as payment for the chance to do your thing in front of an audience -- one of the very best lessons you can get when learning how to implement technology into your live routine. Doing free shows can be a good way of building up a group of listeners, and of introducing your music to people who might not take a chance on seeing it if you're doing a paying gig. And there's also the idea that someone shouldn't necessarily expect payment for a service (i.e. looping) until they've actually got a solid, professional grasp on that service, and feel confident in being able to deliver in such a way. Of course, none of this is a reflection on any specific people here; I say all of this in a very generalized sense. (David, do you have any specific examples you could offer of how to cultivate paying work in the microtonal performance realm? That would probably apply to looping work...) Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 17:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07324; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:33:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:33:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c18cc9$853bf9e0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC Loopfest Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C18C9F.9BE8D2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3bXPiD.A.fuB.mu6J8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C18C9F.9BE8D2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't heard about anything for two months. I=20 was going to wait 'til after New Years and then start=20 asking the same question. I think Tom Ritchford got=20 busy with something else. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: HarryEsq@aol.com=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: NYC Loopfest anything happening with the nyc loopfest - i seem to have fallen out = of the .... nah, i can't do it - seriously, wot up with it? harry=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C18C9F.9BE8D2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Subject: NYC Loopfest

anything = happening with the=20 nyc loopfest - i seem to have fallen out of the .... nah, i can't do = it =20 - seriously, wot up with it?  harry=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C18C9F.9BE8D2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 18:08:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07846; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:44:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:44:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.75.131] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More on the perils of live looping Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:36:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2001 22:36:03.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E95A640:01C18CCB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello and Merry Christmas! A _BIG_ thankyou to Andre for his post on "The Perils of Live Looping"! This is the kind of reply I was hoping for with regards to "The Live Approach". Since I'm a newbie, this is exactly the kind of input that is helpful; not necessarily technical assistance, but conceptual.(much like that old Steve Vai column in Guitar Player "Martian Love Secrets") I wish that I could express how stoked I am about getting into looping. It has given me a reason to be interested in playing again. Best wishes for the holiday season to you all! Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 18:51:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10595; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:27:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:27:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011224232045.70676.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:20:45 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re:the perils of live looping (addition question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C278C10.E36B2BB5@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the audiences expectations. I have only played out a few times at an open mic night, and my looping went ok (as far as not making any horrible mistakes) but it didn't get much of a response besides puzzlement and all questions after where gear related. So I'm wondering if any of you set up your performances in some way. - like a 5 min. solo full of sweep picking just to let people know you can rock out if you want? ; ) Thanks. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 19:08:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11253; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:43:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:43:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:37:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200112242337.SAA17966@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: NYC Loopfest X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.79.25.163 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I haven't heard about anything for two months. I > was going to wait 'til after New Years and then start > asking the same question. I think Tom Ritchford got > busy with something else. Nope, I'm still here. I had a space supposedly lined up and after a long delay it fell through... oh, well. I am looking at two other places, one of which might be good, but it'll have to wait till I get back from Alabama(!) to check it out. My PA is going to be "on-loan" which means we will have it available if we need to play some space that doesn't have any PA. That is going to widen our choices considerably. I'll keep you posted. Sorry that this has grown so tiresome. /t -- Change returns success Going and coming without error Action brings good fortune Sunset Sunrise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 19:12:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11465; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:48:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C27BCAB.9E293C1A@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:39:23 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) References: <20011224232045.70676.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_bmi-B.A.guC.k07J8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Aaron, > I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the > audiences expectations. I have only played out a few > times at an open mic night, and my looping went ok (as > far as not making any horrible mistakes) but it didn't > get much of a response besides puzzlement and all > questions after where gear related. So I'm wondering > if any of you set up your performances in some way. - > like a 5 min. solo full of sweep picking just to let > people know you can rock out if you want? ; ) Without knowing more about what you specifically played, it's hard for me personally to answer your question. But, here are a few things I'd suggest thinking about: -- What TYPE of music were you playing? Ambient soundscapes? Looped funk chords with burning solos on top? Avante-garde noise improvs? IDM glitch fests? -- Do you think that whatever you were playing would have been musically noteworthy, or have held up to listening, if there WASN'T a live looping aspect to it? In other words, say a blind person was at your open mic gig and didn't know you were doing your thing in real-time. Would the music have been enough, on its own terms, to have warranted a strong audience reaction? -- Along the same lines, do you think there was some essence or aspect to whatever you played that would give the audience something to latch onto? -- One reason I personally have been trying tooth and nail to steer away from effects-laden, ambient-styled loop work is because I've found that it hard to capture and hold a live audience with that approach. Now, for a lot of ambient musicians, that's exactly the point -- to NOT necessarily demand their focused listening, and to function as a background environmental aspect just as much as a foreground element. For me personally, though, I want to be able to grab and hold a listener, and I've found that it's hard to do that with the ambient/ebowed/droney/rubato/soundscapey angle. As an aside, and a general request, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE IT to DEATH if there were more specific commentary and criticism of specific musical works on this list. It's hard to discuss this sort of question without hearing the music in question, and I think talking about specific techniques would help a lot of people start tapping into the more sophisticated possibilities of their loopers. Andre says, "Please post and critique specific musical work on Looper's Delight!" Hope this helps, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 19:12:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11582; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10.174c5e6e.29591722@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:41:22 EST Subject: Re: the pears of hive looping (addition question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10.174c5e6e.29591722_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10.174c5e6e.29591722_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/01 6:21:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: > I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the > audiences expectations. always go on stage with an LD approved tin foil hat on your head, this "resets" everyones expectations including your own.....:)m --part1_10.174c5e6e.29591722_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/01 6:21:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes:


I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the
audiences expectations.


always go on stage with an LD approved tin foil hat on your head, this "resets" everyones expectations including your own.....:)m
--part1_10.174c5e6e.29591722_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 20:47:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16697; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:22:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:22:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011225011642.89157.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:16:42 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3C27BCAB.9E293C1A@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6SM9jC.A.yBE.7N9J8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snip > -- What TYPE of music were you playing? Ambient > soundscapes? > -- One reason I personally have been trying tooth > and nail to steer away > from effects-laden, ambient-styled loop work is > because I've found that > it hard to capture and hold a live audience with > that approach. good point. I was in the "noise sculpture" mode. i.e. agressive, textural, "soundscapes". not alot (or really any) of lead melody for listeners to grab on to. I suppose i could have said - please don't watch me - go about your business! : ) perhaps I'll try a somewhat more traditional songlike piece next time. thanks for the input. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 20:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16987; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:27:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:27:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011225012105.51508.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Ret:hep ear sofhive lop ing (add i tio quest ion) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <10.174c5e6e.29591722@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com should I be wearing pants? > always go on stage with an LD approved tin foil hat > on your head, this > "resets" everyones expectations including your > own.....:)m > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 21:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18288; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:57:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:57:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C27DAF7.DC1117ED@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:48:39 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) References: <20011225011642.89157.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aaron Schindler wrote: > I was in the "noise sculpture" mode. i.e. > agressive, textural, "soundscapes". not alot (or > really any) of lead melody for listeners to grab on > to. > I suppose i could have said - please don't watch me - > go about your business! : ) > > perhaps I'll try a somewhat more traditional songlike > piece next time. Well, I don't know that you have to have a hooky melody in order for an audience to dig what you're doing. There are tons of hip-hop acts, electronic artists, and DJs who aren't working with any significant melodic content, and they're able to capture and hold listener's attention (and I don't just mean on a dancefloor). There are folks like Nels Cline who can play very angular, confrontational, noisy stuff and keep audiences utterly focused. And there are also lots of singer/songwriters who perform melodic songs at open mics who get forgotten by the audience before they've even finished with the first verse. So it's a hard thing to quantify in the sense of "Melody=listeners, no melody=being ignored"... Miroslav Tadic had a great remark about this a few years ago. He basically said that if the performer has a clear idea of what they're trying to do, and how to go about doing it, then they can play some very flipped out stuff, and they can bring the audience along with them. But if the performer isn't tuned in to what's happening, or can't find a way to bring the music somewhere, then how is anyone else going to follow along? I guess my feeling is that holding an audience, and creating interest, is a technique and a skill that almost crosses distinctions of style and content (or presence of looping, for that matter). And I think that ties into my earlier comment about trying to develop the right sorts of techniques and approaches, and to be facile enough in whatever tools you're using so that you can capture and hold a listener. I don't mean to suggest that what you played at the gig wasn't worth following along with; these sorts of (rhetorical) questions and issues are good ones for everyone to be asking themselves from time to time, I think. Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 02:34:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01426; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c18d11$2dc61040$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: payment for service Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:55:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as far as paying/non-paying shows go ... there are some venues where this is appropriate, and some where it is not. i generally follow my instincts, but i have _some_ rules (which i do not violate at all anymore): 1. never play a free show where there is a bar serving liquor. they're making money wether they say so or not ... if you play there for free, you're only making it more difficult for yourself down the road. 2. see rule number one if there are any questions. the fact it's an all-ages punk rock show doesn't matter and you shouldn't be asking yourself this question again. it's taken me a few years to figure out what's 'appropriate' and what's not ... i'm comfortable with my personal definitions now. the only reason i have the 'rules' is that my girlfriend was telling me about this awful bar in St Louis called the Creepy Crawl. they have a bar, and a cover. they generally don't pay the bands because they "have to cover the p.a. guy". i think that's bullshit and not very Punk Rawk on the part of the bands that play there. in fact, she's decided not to play there anymore ... which i fully support. as far as 'coffeehouse' performances go ... i don't care about payment, because i do them to shake the rust off, so to speak. however, one coffee shop in Peoria where i played monthly for a year and a half informed me there would no longer be payment for services rendered as a matter of policy ONE HOUR BEFORE THE SHOW. this was after i had set up a drum kit, guitar rig, Hammond organ, two leslies (which required two 23-mile trips to do), and the PA. i don't play there anymore. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 02:35:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01624; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:11:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.236.134.25] From: "blue wolf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Total Newbee Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 07:05:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2001 07:05:14.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[808174E0:01C18D12] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Hi All,

My name is Blue, I am a Native American SongKeeper. I play native american flute for a living. I am going to buy a Gibson Echoplex very soon and would very much appreciate any and all support in the area of understanding what I need to use this device in performance.

My plan is to start out with a medicine drum loop, played live by me, add a rattle, then possibly a chant and finally play my flutes on top of that. I also plan to do a three flute thing, using a bass flute, a mid range flute and a high flute.

I apologize in advance for knowing so little about this wonderful technology.

I have a good mic, an amp, and a Boss digital delay pedal I use.

Do I need any other equipment besides the Echoplex?

Does the Echoplex come with the foot pedal?

Is $800.00 a good price for the Echoplex?

In Peace and Harmony,

Blue



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 02:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01384; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:08:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c18d12$448e78c0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: S/PDIF- MOTU- Repeater question Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 23:03:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C18CCF.3638DE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C18CCF.3638DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all-=20 Just got a Repeater and the best OD pedal ever- the new Tech 21 Tri-AC- = I'm a happy man. Right off the bat I can say I will not be selling my = EDP as a result of buying a Repeater- I can see they really are = different animals and are currently becoming aquainted in my 3 space = rack. :) Having the EDP in front of the Repeater is very cool- esp with = everything synced up midi from a Korg ES-1-=20 My question is in regards to my MOTU 2408 and the Repeater- I can't get = the S/PDIF to work- an I am wondering if the MOTU will only handle 24bit = signals on a PC? But then- it doesen't work in stand alone mode either = so that is probably not it-=20 I have set the clock to the S/PDIF and all I get is noise- the noise = changes when I start/stop the repeater-=20 If I route the digital signal from the Repeater to my TC M-One and then = into the 2408 it works fine-=20 Any suggestions/ideas appreciated-=20 Happy holidays-=20 One-Happy-Looper,=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C18CCF.3638DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all-
 
Just got a Repeater and the best OD = pedal ever- the=20 new Tech 21 Tri-AC- I'm a happy man. Right off the bat I can say I will = not be=20 selling my EDP as a result of buying a Repeater- I can see they really = are=20 different animals and are currently becoming aquainted in my 3 space = rack. :)=20 Having the EDP in front of the Repeater is very cool- esp with = everything synced=20 up midi from a Korg ES-1-
 
My question is in regards to my MOTU = 2408 and the=20 Repeater- I can't get the S/PDIF to work- an I am wondering if the MOTU = will=20 only handle 24bit signals on a PC? But then- it doesen't work in stand = alone=20 mode either so that is probably not it-
 
I have set the clock to the S/PDIF and = all I get is=20 noise- the noise changes when I start/stop the repeater-
 
If I route the digital signal from the = Repeater to=20 my TC M-One and then into the 2408 it works fine-
 
Any suggestions/ideas appreciated- =
 
Happy holidays-
 
One-Happy-Looper,
 
Cliff
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C18CCF.3638DE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 02:40:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01850; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:16:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:16:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.236.134.25] From: "blue wolf" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Total Newbee Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 07:08:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2001 07:08:09.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[E86893E0:01C18D12] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



I am so sorry! I sent this to the wrong place the first time.



Hi All,

My name is Blue, I am a Native American SongKeeper. I play native american flute for a living. I am going to buy a Gibson Echoplex very soon and would very much appreciate any and all support in the area of understanding what I need to use this device in performance.

My plan is to start out with a medicine drum loop, played live by me, add a rattle, then possibly a chant and finally play my flutes on top of that. I also plan to do a three flute thing, using a bass flute, a mid range flute and a high flute.

I apologize in advance for knowing so little about this wonderful technology.

I have a good mic, an amp, and a Boss digital delay pedal I use.

Do I need any other equipment besides the Echoplex?

Does the Echoplex come with the foot pedal?

Is $800.00 a good price for the Echoplex?

In Peace and Harmony,

Blue




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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 02:40:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01971; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:16:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:16:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c18d12$57d9bde0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:04:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >-- One reason I personally have been trying tooth and nail to steer away >from effects-laden, ambient-styled loop work is because I've found that >it hard to capture and hold a live audience with that approach. Now, >for a lot of ambient musicians, that's exactly the point -- to NOT >necessarily demand their focused listening, and to function as a >background environmental aspect just as much as a foreground element. >For me personally, though, I want to be able to grab and hold a >listener, and I've found that it's hard to do that with the >ambient/ebowed/droney/rubato/soundscapey angle. this is the reason i only do pure ambient music at punk rawk shows (and bookstores ... but the only one open to it around here closed a while ago) ... ambient infiltration of a loud-music event is such contrast that notice is taken regardless of the performer's intent. i have to explain to people they don't need to pay attention ... that i'm there to prime them for the next act. some bands/promoters don't get this idea ... and think playing Mudvayne (yuck!! i can't believe they're from my hometown) in between sets is a "good idea, not like yours, suit and tie guy!" >Andre says, "Please post and critique specific musical work on Looper's Delight!" OK. i'll start by saying that a cd i made of your mp3s gets played daily in my mom's coffee shop, it's in the changer right after Namlook/Schulze's Dark Side Of The Moog 8 and right before a Jimmy Smith live set from 1958. i find it pleasant ... more later. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 03:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04893; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:11:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:11:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c18d19$f98004e0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Cc: "Jim Coker" Subject: rig/gig pictures Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:58:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i don't know if this is on-or-off-topic, but here are some pics of recent STG/electro gigs. this is mainly posted for the benefit of those gear-whores who enjoy gawking at others' rigs. 1. www.suitandtieguy.com the front page has a photo of me drinking a glass of brandy at a lights-out show with our projection screen behind me (only a small corner is visible). my looping/interactive-sequencing rig is to my left, your right. it's lit by candles. 2. http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sights/eric/stgmfsip1.jpg this is the front view of the rig with the lights on. i've kind of loosely based it on Klaus Schulze's set-up ... solo synthesiser (SH-101 on loan till i get my Prodigy back) on a music stand, Korg Z1 and Juno 106 on a pair of x-stands, and the Big Rack is to the left on a heavy-duty stand along with an Electribe ER-1, Roland TR-505, and Analogue Solutions Minimodular. 3. http://www.suitandtieguy.com/sights/eric/stgmfsip2.jpg here is a shot of the Big Rack. on the left side are the Repeater, RDS-7.6, RDS-8000, TSR-24, Vortex, MPX-100, and Furman Voltage Regulator. in the middle is the space for the Mackie 1402 mixer, which i needed to remove for noise reasons before the show (the screws i used to mount it were too long and actuall _crossed traces_ on the board, causing a hum and other problems). on the right side is the Warpfactory, the Filterfactory, a 360 Systems MIDIpatch, and a MOTU MIDI Express. in front of the Big Rack are the aforementioned drum machines and Minimodular. behind the Big Rack is the Loreena McKennitt triubute act gracious enough to loan me her PA for the show. on top of the Big Rack is the STG/tip jar with my logo on it. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 04:16:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06076; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:52:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c18d20$5346bfe0$f6a087d9@fastun> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <20011224232045.70676.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:the perils of live looping (addition question) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:44:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2nll0C.A.uaB.2xDK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tend to work out the skeleton of a piece, perhaps a few signposts and a starting position and improvise from there. Seems to work and saves embarrasment if you blank in front of the audience. It works for me! My stuff doesn't tend to have melodies though I may have a scale or sequence of notes to cling on to. Merry xmas to all from (rainy) Wales. Gareth > I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the > audiences expectations. I have only played out a few > times at an open mic night, and my looping went ok (as > far as not making any horrible mistakes) but it didn't > get much of a response besides puzzlement and all > questions after where gear related. So I'm wondering > if any of you set up your performances in some way. - > like a 5 min. solo full of sweep picking just to let > people know you can rock out if you want? ; ) > Thanks. > > Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 05:03:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08731; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:39:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:39:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011225094505.00d70720@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:51:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: S/PDIF- MOTU- Repeater question In-Reply-To: <000c01c18d12$448e78c0$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Cliff if you're 100% sure about the correct clocking of the 2 units (one master, the other slave. the MOTU can be set via its PCI324 panel. dunno about the Repeater) then contact MOTU for some clarification. a few MOTU users have had problems with 2408 SPDIF. I had to replace my 2408 mkII for exactly that problem. the unit was unable to sync digitally to most of the devices in my studio, when the older model I owned (2408) worked perfectly. BTW, their support and tech help was great and they were able to solve the problem in just a few working days. hope this helps ciao leo At 23.03 24/12/01 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all- > >Just got a Repeater and the best OD pedal ever- the new Tech 21 Tri-AC- >I'm a happy man. Right off the bat I can say I will not be selling my EDP >as a result of buying a Repeater- I can see they really are different >animals and are currently becoming aquainted in my 3 space rack. :) Having >the EDP in front of the Repeater is very cool- esp with everything synced >up midi from a Korg ES-1- > >My question is in regards to my MOTU 2408 and the Repeater- I can't get >the S/PDIF to work- an I am wondering if the MOTU will only handle 24bit >signals on a PC? But then- it doesen't work in stand alone mode either so >that is probably not it- > >I have set the clock to the S/PDIF and all I get is noise- the noise >changes when I start/stop the repeater- > >If I route the digital signal from the Repeater to my TC M-One and then >into the 2408 it works fine- > >Any suggestions/ideas appreciated- > >Happy holidays- > >One-Happy-Looper, > >Cliff > > www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 06:59:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14672; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 06:34:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 06:34:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c18d37$64815600$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011225094505.00d70720@mail.groundloops.com> Subject: Re: S/PDIF- MOTU- Repeater question Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:29:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for the information- I will contact MOTU on Wednesday and see what they say- I am sure I am setting it up correctly- the Repeater has no adjustments for the digital i/o and I am very familiar with setting up the PCI-324 panel. Thanks again. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "leocavallo" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: Re: S/PDIF- MOTU- Repeater question > hi Cliff > > if you're 100% sure about the correct clocking of the 2 units (one master, > the other slave. the MOTU can be set via its PCI324 panel. dunno about the > Repeater) then contact MOTU for some clarification. > a few MOTU users have had problems with 2408 SPDIF. I had to replace my > 2408 mkII for exactly that problem. the unit was unable to sync digitally > to most of the devices in my studio, when the older model I owned (2408) > worked perfectly. > BTW, their support and tech help was great and they were able to solve the > problem in just a few working days. > hope this helps > ciao > leo > > > > At 23.03 24/12/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi all- > > > >Just got a Repeater and the best OD pedal ever- the new Tech 21 Tri-AC- > >I'm a happy man. Right off the bat I can say I will not be selling my EDP > >as a result of buying a Repeater- I can see they really are different > >animals and are currently becoming aquainted in my 3 space rack. :) Having > >the EDP in front of the Repeater is very cool- esp with everything synced > >up midi from a Korg ES-1- > > > >My question is in regards to my MOTU 2408 and the Repeater- I can't get > >the S/PDIF to work- an I am wondering if the MOTU will only handle 24bit > >signals on a PC? But then- it doesen't work in stand alone mode either so > >that is probably not it- > > > >I have set the clock to the S/PDIF and all I get is noise- the noise > >changes when I start/stop the repeater- > > > >If I route the digital signal from the Repeater to my TC M-One and then > >into the 2408 it works fine- > > > >Any suggestions/ideas appreciated- > > > >Happy holidays- > > > >One-Happy-Looper, > > > >Cliff > > > > > > > www.groundloops.com > > c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s > f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 08:06:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18074; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 07:38:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 07:38:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:33:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Total Newbee From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3092131997_39166" Resent-Message-ID: <0wLhQB.A.hXE.pGHK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Detta meddelande Šr i MIME-format. PŒ grund av att din e-postlŠsare inte fšrstŒr detta format, kommer hela eller delar av detta meddelande inte att vara lŠsbart. --B_3092131997_39166 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Blue, > Fr=E5n: "blue wolf" > Does the Echoplex come with the foot pedal? The EDP foot pedal is optional, but you should definitely go for it. > I have a good mic, an amp, and a Boss digital delay pedal I use. > Do I need any other equipment besides the Echoplex? Sounds ok to me. As long as you watch out for mic feedback. But please try not to buy a "bad crystals EDP". This problem has been reported earlier on this list (check the archives). Myself, I bought a new EDP not long ago and I cannot use it for concerts because I sometimes have to flip the power switch on and off for more than one minute before the machine lights up. Not the best way to enter the stage... ;-> However Gibson has promised to exchange "bad crystals" a.s.a.p. but right now there seems to be no "ok crystals" around. So you can spare yourself a lot of problems by simply checking, in the store, that the unit you are buying is booting up fine. Although I'm reviewing the EDP for a magazine that will introduce it to lots of young guitar players, Gibson couldn't fin= d me fresh crystals. Regards Per Boysen ---------------------------------------------------- http://www.boysen.se per@boysen.se=20 ---------------------------------------------------- --B_3092131997_39166 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Total Newbee Hi Blue,

> Från: "blue wolf" <blueman9@hotmail.com><= BR> > Does the Echoplex come with the foot pedal?

The EDP foot pedal is optional, but you should definitely go for it.

> I have a good mic, an amp, and a Boss digital delay pedal I use.
> Do I need any other equipment besides the Echoplex?

Sounds ok to me. As long as you watch out for mic feedback.

But please try not to buy a "bad crystals EDP". This problem has = been reported earlier on this list (check the archives). Myself, I bought a = new EDP not long ago and I cannot use it for concerts because I sometimes ha= ve to flip the power switch on and off for more than one minute before the m= achine lights up. Not the best way to enter the stage... ;->

However Gibson has promised to exchange "bad crystals" a.s.a.p. b= ut right now there seems to be no "ok crystals" around. So you can= spare yourself a lot of problems by simply checking, in the store, that the= unit you are buying is booting up fine. Although I'm reviewing the EDP for = a magazine that will introduce it to lots of young guitar players, Gibson co= uldn't find me fresh crystals.

Regards

Per Boysen

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--B_3092131997_39166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 08:53:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20817; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:29:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C288A78.CD1937FD@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 06:17:28 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the pears of hive looping (addition question) References: <10.174c5e6e.29591722@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com im doing another run of these! with the URL in glow-in-the-dark ink and the high density Aluminum Oxide protective coating. now taking orders. Happy Holidays! -jas "T-shirt guy" Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > always go on stage with an LD approved tin foil hat on your head, this > "resets" everyones expectations including your own.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 09:44:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23886; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:19:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:19:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011225090900.00831a60@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:09:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: payment for service In-Reply-To: <005901c18d11$2dc61040$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5Em6ZB.A.ZyF.zlIK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another couple of factors that might enter into it would be: 1) Swag. Even if you're not getting any of the door, if there's an opportunity to make your CDs, t-shirts, etc. available for sale to a crowded room, the gig could end up being (marginally) profitable. 2) Exposure. Consider who's going to be there: if it's a two hour drive to an empty room on a Tuesday night, it's probably not a good thing. On the other hand, if you're trying to get some recognition/publicity/contacts, a non-paid opening set for a well-known act is a positive. There's a good chance there'll be people in the house who wouldn't have come out to see you who end up liking you better than the headliner, so NEXT TIME you're in town, they'll have told their friends. Also 'showcase'-type gigs can garner press, which can in turn lead to better opportunities. -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 09:51:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24274; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:27:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011225091731.00836670@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:17:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: the pears of hive looping (addition question) In-Reply-To: <3C288A78.CD1937FD@cabq.gov> References: <10.174c5e6e.29591722@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Careful! Speaking of hives, one of my old bands had t-shirts printed with our logo in glow-in-the-dark ink, and the first night we sold them, about 50 people put them on at the show without washing them first, and then about half of them developed rashes in the shape of our logo on their chests! (After laundering, the shirts were safe!) It was kind of funny afterwards, but when it first happened some of these folks were freaking (and scratching) a bit! -t- At 06:17 AM 12/25/01 -0800, jas wrote: >im doing another run of these! with the URL in glow-in-the-dark >ink and the high density Aluminum Oxide protective coating. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 10:10:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24818; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:43:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:43:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.29.230] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:35:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2001 14:35:58.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[77A230F0:01C18D51] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What an interesting and enlightening thread. Andre, are you always dropping pearls of wisdom? I've got to chime in and second the thoughts on a performer being able to lead the audience, provided the performer knows how to do it...i.e. comes across with enough confidence and chutzpah to make the audience want to be led along. This is regardless of style, technique or chops. A big part of of gig is "smoke and mirrors". I am lucky enough to do a good number of live, solo loop shows, and one thing I tend to practice is ways to engage, and ways to turn a mediocre loop into something interesting. Not practicing tunes, but just improvising loops, good and bad, and taking them as far as I can, as if it were a performance. This has saved my butt more than a few times. It also works as a good practice for the foot-switch ballet we all seem so susceptible to. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 10:19:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25423; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:46:35 +0000 Subject: live looping/pros etc... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-f1q2.A.pIG.KGJK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> So say I, get out there and book up some gigs - it'd probably help if you > had some sort of tape of the kind of thing you're doing, just so venue > owners etc. know what they are getting, but if you're willing to play for > free, you may well be able to find coffee shop stuff to get some practice... >??? >Steve Sandberg is a professional musician.<<< >>>I also agree with the general attitude about doing several shows as practice, and would agree with Steve's idea that a low-key coffeehouse environment can be a good way to go. I sympathize with David Beardsley's comment about Steve Sandburg (or anyone else) being a professional...<<< ...I had been a professional musician for about 7 years before I started doing loop gigs, had played to audiences of up to about 6-7,000 all over Europe with various bands, toured pretty much continuously for three years etc. etc. when it came to doing loop gigs, it was like starting again. I had to rethink it - it's almost like taking up a new instrument, or even a different artistic discipline. And the approach changes. Being a pro doesn't negate the need to get out and play in front of an audience. if you have a 'following' of sorts, that could even make it harder to do, not wanting to f*** up in front of people who know you as a stunning [insert musical style or performance mode here]... No offence or devaluation of Steve's art was intended at all - with improvised music, it seems to me that a new dynamic appears, and practicing improvising, particularly as it relates to looping, is a whole different area... I'm still quite happy to play for free if the setting gives me a chance to do something I wouldn't otherwise get to do - I express it by saying that I'll never play for nothing, but what I get from it (or give to it) won't neccesarily be financial... big festive love Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 11:43:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30201; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:19:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.26.143.204] From: "nathan overfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EFC-7 gibson echoplex foot controller Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:10:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2001 16:10:59.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE016810:01C18D5E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just got the EFC-7 gibson echoplex foot controller, but it didn't seem to come with instructions, so if anyone knows how to hook it up, i'd love to find out. thanks, nate _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 12:24:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00336; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:00:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:00:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C28AEC1.8C50871D@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:52:17 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EFC-7 gibson echoplex foot controller References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mono jack into plex (footswitch) happy christmas and looping Claude nathan overfield wrote: > > i just got the EFC-7 gibson echoplex foot controller, but it didn't seem to > come with instructions, so if anyone knows how to hook it up, > i'd love to find out. > > thanks, > > nate > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 12:24:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00468; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:00:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:00:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011225114931.00836c00@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:49:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EFC-7 gibson echoplex foot controller In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out At 11:10 AM 12/25/01 -0500, nate wrote: >i just got the EFC-7 gibson echoplex foot controller, but it didn't seem to >come with instructions, so if anyone knows how to hook it up, >i'd love to find out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 13:15:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02078; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:50:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:42:53 -0800 Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20011224232045.70676.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <5OMaGD.A.ld.fqLK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I usually find that if you can make a brief description of what you're going to do before you start playing, it will set the audience at ease. I find a lot of people are suspicious of the music being "canned." Prerecorded. Showing them it's all happening live (except for my drum machine, if I'm using it) seems to put them at ease. Not "cheated" as I suspect they often feel when confronted with new technology. "Oh, the computer's doing that." I've also taken mics and microcassette recorders and recorded audience sounds, utterances and put them in the loop as well. That also seems to help. I, for one, love to do open mic nights. It's a great way to shake things up. The weirder the better. It's not like a paying gig where there are expectations, so let go and have fun! Mark Sottilaro On Monday, December 24, 2001, at 03:20 PM, Aaron Schindler wrote: > I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the > audiences expectations. I have only played out a few > times at an open mic night, and my looping went ok (as > far as not making any horrible mistakes) but it didn't > get much of a response besides puzzlement and all > questions after where gear related. So I'm wondering > if any of you set up your performances in some way. - > like a 5 min. solo full of sweep picking just to let > people know you can rock out if you want? ; ) > Thanks. > > Aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 13:27:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03834; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:03:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:56:35 -0800 Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C27BCAB.9E293C1A@altruistmusic.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -- One reason I personally have been trying tooth and nail to steer away > from effects-laden, ambient-styled loop work is because I've found that > it hard to capture and hold a live audience with that approach. Now, > for a lot of ambient musicians, that's exactly the point -- to NOT > necessarily demand their focused listening, and to function as a > background environmental aspect just as much as a foreground element. > For me personally, though, I want to be able to grab and hold a > listener, and I've found that it's hard to do that with the > ambient/ebowed/droney/rubato/soundscapey angle. > Exactly Andre! Expectations are what can get you in trouble. Playing an ambient set and expecting an audience to hang on your every note is unfair to the audience. I for one, like playing ambient/bowed/droney/rubato(what the hell is that?)/soundscapey stuff, but at things like art openings, or at a cafe where the art or social interaction is the focus, not me. You'll still get that random person at the end that asks about your gear, or say, "Do you know the band Can?" Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 13:27:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04017; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:05:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:05:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:58:52 -0800 Subject: Re: the pears of hive looping (addition question) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-931161310 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <10.174c5e6e.29591722@aol.com> Message-Id: <0E428416-F961-11D5-A842-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <5dseSB.A.Cn.e5LK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-931161310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Pink Floyd used to have someone handing out tabs of acid at the door of their gigs. How about that for a reset? Mark (not advocating giving drugs out) Sottilaro On Monday, December 24, 2001, at 03:41 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/24/01 6:21:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: > > > I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the > audiences expectations. > > > > always go on stage with an LD approved tin foil hat on your head, this > "resets" everyones expectations including your own.....:)m --Apple-Mail-1-931161310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Pink Floyd used to have someone handing out tabs of acid at the door of their gigs. How about that for a reset? Mark (not advocating giving drugs out) Sottilaro On Monday, December 24, 2001, at 03:41 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: ArialIn a message dated 12/24/01 6:21:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: I have a related question regarding how to "reset" the audiences expectations. always go on stage with an LD approved tin foil hat on your head, this "resets" everyones expectations including your own.....:)m --Apple-Mail-1-931161310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 13:31:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04209; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:59:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Ret:hep ear sofhive lop ing (add i tio quest ion) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20011225012105.51508.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <35A7508C-F961-11D5-A842-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, unless you really want to give your audience something to grab on to. On Monday, December 24, 2001, at 05:21 PM, Aaron Schindler wrote: > should I be wearing pants? > >> always go on stage with an LD approved tin foil hat >> on your head, this >> "resets" everyones expectations including your >> own.....:)m >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 14:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05749; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:46:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.72.147] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the pears of hive looping (addition question) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 18:39:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2001 18:39:34.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F542160:01C18D73] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Thanks for the insights on looping in the live "arena"! Since my only experience playing music in front of people has been in bands, it's great to read how you guys deal with being a solo music performer, as well your thoughts on the styles of looping in different situations. I'd have to agree that a Fripp-like sound- scape would work better at an art gallery than a Brotzmann-esque hurricane in a sheet metal factory feedback detonation; although, that might go over well before a rock/punk show. Thanks for the insight you're providing to us newbies out here. Merry Christmas and Best Wishes for 2002! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 17:24:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18191; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c18d8d$abf5c380$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: payment for service (long? you be the judge) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:46:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >1) Swag. Even if you're not getting any of the door, if there's an >opportunity to make your CDs, t-shirts, etc. available for sale to a >crowded room, the gig could end up being (marginally) profitable. well ... i think that's incredible optimism. very often the reason the performance is going unpaid is because you're dealing with a crowd that isn't bringing alot to spend. i would definitely play at a shop that was selling my CD, however. the breakpoint for a 'real' gig (for a local unsigned act) and a 'hobby' gig is one hundred dollars per team-mate. any less and i'd rather be playing for free at a punk rawk show. i will definitely _never_ play at a bar for less than a hundred again for the rest of my life. that's like 1970s pay, guys ... if musician pay were actually following inflation we'd pull down at least a thousand per gig for a drinking-establishment band. the one hundred dollar figure keeps us at the poverty line. >2) Exposure. Consider who's going to be there: if it's a two hour drive to .... >press, which can in turn lead to better opportunities. i happen to believe that the benefit of 'exposure' is a myth. that is my opinion, though ... feel free to feel different. no matter how many people are there, my rule is still in effect for _me_ ... booze for sale = money exchanged = money should be in my pocket too. i have driven 6 hours to play for two people, the promoter and the guy that cleared the room (that had 50 peeps when he started) in the set previous to mine ( here's his worthless site: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/8393/ds98.html ... i'm not bitter at all) and got paid 5 dollars. i found that personally more fulfilling than the last free bar gig i played, where the organist who rented my rig (whose band we opened for) _broke_a_key_. i have got no work from either of those gigs and the stories from the Milwaukee experience were more interesting. 'exposure' only works if you're going to be the next Mudvayne and you're willing to do 'whatever it takes' to get that worthless record deal. but if you're on that route your best bet is to locate an industry contact to snort coke with while partying at the local nudie bar. he'll take care of the 'exposure' for you ... even put a crack team of exposure specialists on it. btw, that 'exposure' will cost you so much that you better sell that debut record _triple_platinum_ or you'll NEVER see past your advance and the label will drop you like a hot potato after they rape your back catalogue from when you were just a 'local' band. btw, the triple platinum figure for LD50 is for real. i _almost_ feel sorry for sPaG, or is that SpAg? but if your goal is to be an unsigned and modest regional touring unit then playing showcases and whatnot doesn't really help you. you'll get alot better results hanging out alot, chatting with people, being instantly recognisable, and handing out flyers _everywhere_you_go_. basically, you'll get alot further pounding the pavement by yourself then playing free gigs for a lot of people who are most likely there to see someone else. people don't come to gigs because they like the music or the flyer impresses them. they come to gigs because their friend is, or because they like you on a personal level. love of the music will soon follow. these are my feelings. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 17:32:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18588; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <71.17e662d7.295a5142@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:01:38 EST Subject: Re: the pearls of give looping (addition question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.17e662d7.295a5142_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_71.17e662d7.295a5142_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/25/01 9:37:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > A big part of > of gig is "smoke and mirrors". please, please, please elaborate.....what do you do to lead the audience?.....become more "showmen" like?.....give us some ideas, i really need to know!.....i have only played out (solo) about 9 times this past year and that being after a long long time of not playing "live" and never solo.....i am going to make a larger "effort" to play out more this coming year, i would like to get away from the solo thing though, a duet would be the ticket (at least someone to hang out with) and if any scoot were made at a gig it would be put into a gas pot.....tim was very right about being selective with non-paying gigs, pearls before swine an all dat!.....its da schleppin i tell ya!.....and it only gets worse.....:))m((: iky moto --part1_71.17e662d7.295a5142_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/25/01 9:37:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes:


A big part of
of gig is "smoke and mirrors".


please, please, please elaborate.....what do you do to lead the audience?.....become more "showmen" like?.....give us some ideas, i really need to know!.....i have only played out (solo) about 9 times this past year and that being after a long long time of not playing "live" and never solo.....i am going to make a larger "effort" to play out more this coming year, i would like to get away from the solo thing though, a duet would be the ticket (at least someone to hang out with) and if any scoot were made at a gig it would be put into a gas pot.....tim was very right about being selective with non-paying gigs, pearls before swine an all dat!.....its da schleppin i tell ya!.....and it only gets worse.....:))m((: iky moto
--part1_71.17e662d7.295a5142_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 17:42:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19103; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <94.1edde758.295a5375@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:11:01 EST Subject: Re: the years of give looping (addition question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_94.1edde758.295a5375_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_94.1edde758.295a5375_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/25/01 1:41:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, chrisolden@hotmail.com writes: > Merry Christmas and Best Wishes for 2002! > couldnt of said it better myself!.....:)m --part1_94.1edde758.295a5375_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/25/01 1:41:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, chrisolden@hotmail.com writes:


Merry Christmas and Best Wishes for 2002!


couldnt of said it better myself!.....:)m
--part1_94.1edde758.295a5375_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 19:50:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26039; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:26:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C28B513.1EE93211@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 18:19:16 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the pears of hive looping (addition question) References: <0E428416-F961-11D5-A842-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com seems fair to me... bobdog Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Pink Floyd used to have someone handing out tabs of acid at the door of their gigs. How about that for a reset? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 22:19:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32707; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:55:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:55:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C294792.E84152B6@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:44:18 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the pears of hive looping (addition question) References: <10.174c5e6e.29591722@aol.com> <3.0.5.32.20011225091731.00836670@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4DKVT.A.C6H.IqTK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com true, it could be scary... a bunch of bald loopers scratching their heads. I better not make the Foil Looper Hats, sorry to those of you who had their hopes up. later, -jas dimbulb.org Tim Nelson wrote: > Careful! Speaking of hives, one of my old bands had t-shirts printed with > our logo in glow-in-the-dark ink, and the first night we sold them, about > 50 people put them on at the show without washing them first, and then > about half of them developed rashes in the shape of our logo on their > chests! (After laundering, the shirts were safe!) It was kind of funny > afterwards, but when it first happened some of these folks were freaking > (and scratching) a bit! > > -t- > > At 06:17 AM 12/25/01 -0800, jas wrote: > >im doing another run of these! with the URL in glow-in-the-dark > >ink and the high density Aluminum Oxide protective coating. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 22:43:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02164; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:18:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:18:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011226031101.36036.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:11:01 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: recomendation for newbies To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been (mostly lurking) on the list for over a year and a half, but for some reason it's only been in the last few weeks that I've clicked on "loop artists of the world" on the looper's delight homepage and listened to the mp3's. I am still in the process of checking out every looper's stuff. I have been blown away and inspired by the number of talented people on this list! I wish I had done it sooner. If you've not done so, I highly recommend checking it out. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 00:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08072; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:06:53 EST Subject: genre ??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_de.1fc9a1f7.295ab4ed_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_de.1fc9a1f7.295ab4ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who place your loops on mp3.com etc... what is your genre of preference for your looped material? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_de.1fc9a1f7.295ab4ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who place your loops on mp3.com etc... what is your genre of preference for your looped material?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_de.1fc9a1f7.295ab4ed_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 03:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17509; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:18:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c18de5$13111b80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP- Delay Mode-Mute Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:12:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C18DA2.04AAB800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C18DA2.04AAB800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP question-=20 In delay mode I press Overdub to hold the loop- if I then Mute the loop = the loop fades away- is there a way to avoid this?=20 Thanks-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C18DA2.04AAB800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C18DA2.04AAB800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 04:54:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20414; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:23:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:23:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2994F2.D311F9D0@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:14:26 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reports from the lab (part 1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Merry Christmas. Here's what I got you... Bill Frisell meets Ornette Coleman in a Cuisinart: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/bookworm.mp3 Aphex Twin's secret pygmy rainforest project (and a perennial Kim Flint lick at the very beginning): http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/flux.mp3 Ambient looping takes on Glitch-core (and a good fight it is): http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/gestalt.mp3 A mournful and melodic thing indeed, yes it is: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/hushed.mp3 Pop song from mars with hooks to match: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/instant.np3 Shouldn't have left that New Age CD out in the sun: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/smalldrama.mp3 A meditative twitch: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/spastic.mp3 THIS IS: -- entirely live, one-take, unedited, no overdubs, blah blah blah... -- improvised, occasionally with loose parameters (or tight lack of parameters) -- EDP plus guitar, with only a smidge of reverb on the stereo mix as far as effects are concerned -- an attempt at a post-IDM, post-turntablism approach to looping -- trying to work with looping in a constantly evolving, dynamic, non-repetitive (!) format which extends from and reacts to my playing, rather than statically sitting there and, um, looping over and over again -- the sound of me kicking and screaming against my own reliance on the ambient looping genre (and, on some of these, the sound of that paradigm being literally torn apart) I have no idea what this sounds like anymore, but I hope you enjoy it (as long as you don't mind strange looks from your neighbors). --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 09:02:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31037; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:37:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:28:32 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?holidays,=20&=20'hey'=20to=20andr=E9?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA30853 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com happy holidays, everyone, and: welcome back, andré..... i's glad yer back in here. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 10:15:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01744; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:48:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <23.16b05ebf.295b3b80@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:41:04 EST Subject: Re: recomendation for newbies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23.16b05ebf.295b3b80_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_23.16b05ebf.295b3b80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/25/01 10:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: > . I am still in the process of > checking out every looper's stuff. dont forget to check out www.loopxchange.com to hear lots-o-loops from many LD members.....:)m --part1_23.16b05ebf.295b3b80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/25/01 10:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes:


. I am still in the process of
checking out every looper's stuff.


dont forget to check out www.loopxchange.com to hear lots-o-loops from many LD members.....:)m
--part1_23.16b05ebf.295b3b80_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 11:13:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04506; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:48:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C29E874.187A6265@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:10:44 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers Delight From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, could you please post the following to the list, RE: Phil Keaggy (I'm getting posts forwarded here, but can't post from this address). I'm sure that Phil's techniques are fascinating to loopers, and are suitable for freaking, but I would humbly submit that the thing about Phil is that he is quite simply, one of the most musical beings ever to be born of woman. In my book, easily the equal of either Bach or Mozart (not a 'lesser' version). Whether doing one of his solo gigs with the JamMan, or playing his Les Paul with a band, he is equally freaking to me. Others have equally sophisticated (and way 'beyond') looping technique and gear, not to mention chops, but I'll repeat myself and say that very few musicians have ever moved me as Phil has. A couple of anecdotes: don't know if any are true, but... 1) Supposedly Hendrix was being interviewed by either Johnny Carson or Dick Cavett, and responded to a question about his own 'status' by saying something to the effect of, "I'm not the greatest - Phil Keaggy is". 2) An old friend of mine, who grew up a few doors down from Phil in Youngstown, OH, once told me that Phil, being self-taught, went to a local teacher who turned him away, saying she couldn't teach him anything. Maybe I'm combining two different stories here, but it may have been for her that he was said to have played Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, the album, from memory, after hearing it for the first time... And he does all this without a full set of fingers, btw. And then there's that voice...never have I witnessed such beautiful, joyous music making. I wish it were captured more on his recordings though. Check out the cds 'Blue' (the 'secular' version of Crimson and Blue), or his very first solo album, 'What A Day'. What a guy! Tom Heasley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 11:17:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04570; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:50:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:50:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 07:42:28 -0800 Subject: Re: payment for service (long? you be the judge) From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112261402.JAA32738@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4QgNs.A.gEB.vAfK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A common source of friction between musicians and venue owners is that musicians operate under the assumption that if they show up and make nice sounds, they should get paid, they've done their part. Owners tend to take the position that if the musician can be shown to have increased the business for the night, then they get paid. The quality and character of the sounds produced is often secondary, as long as the bar cash register keeps ringing. Often, these two assumptions go unstated, or at least unelaborated. The musician feels he should get paid in at least the same manner as the guy mopping the floor, i.e. if the the floor is mopped, money is forked over. The venue owner probably already has a juke box or CD player installed which keeps most of the customers happy (and drinking) most of the time--why should he give up some of his hard-earned income to some guy making weird noises? Or even normal noises if there's no bump in the sales? Some owners will be totally up front about this and let you know that your continued success is dependent upon people showing up to see you AND buying something while they're there. If you see your friends coming out to a show to "support" you, and then drinking water, explain to them that if they're not spending money they're don't register on the owner's radar. They're taking up space for real, paying customers (understand that this is all from the viewpoint of the business-minded owner). Many owners will profess their "love of live music" and their "support of the the arts". Some of these people are squarely full of shit, some are sincere, yet somewhat mistaken, and very, very few are totally on the level with you. If you find someone like that, stick to them like glue. Learn to recognize the first two types (quickly) and adjust your plans and expectations accordingly. There's nothing wrong with asking a booking agent up front what has to happen for the evening to be a success in their eyes. Don't be shocked or offended if they discuss it purely in terms of beer/coffee sold. Fitting art into the business world is tricky business, and up close bears a striking resemblance to the manufacture of sausages. And, if you're going to be hard-line/uncompromising/supremely-principled in what constitutes acceptable pay, be prepared to play in paying venues somewhat...infrequently. Taking the attitude that "if beer's being sold while I'm playing, then I get paid" may bite you in the ass when at the end of the night the owner comes by and demands his cut of your CD/t-shirt sales. After all, if you're using his storefront to promote and sell your product, why shouldn't he get a cut? Oh, and you are reporting your sales tax on that, right? Despite the grimness of the above, music still finds a way to happen. Just be prepared for a few obstacles along the way. TH >i happen to believe that the benefit of 'exposure' is a myth. that is my >opinion, though ... feel free to feel different. no matter how many people are >there, my rule is still in effect for _me_ ... booze for sale = money exchanged >= money should be in my pocket too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 12:17:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08559; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:52:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:52:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Phil Keaggy Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:45:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3C29E874.187A6265@ernieball.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of anecdotes: don't know if any are true, but... 1) Supposedly Hendrix was being interviewed by either Johnny Carson or Dick Cavett, and responded to a question about his own 'status' by saying something to the effect of, "I'm not the greatest - Phil Keaggy is". >>I searched the net on this one, having quoted it for years. Might be apocryphal. My quote is, "How does it feel to be the world's greatest guitarist?", "I don't know, ask Phil Keaggey." But the Web quoted Phil as saying he hasn't had the rumor substantiated.<< I wish it were captured more on his recordings though. >>Hopefully the new one will!! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 13:29:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15452; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:04:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:04:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804872@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: More on the perils of live looping Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:56:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18E36.975C47B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E36.975C47B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" welcome back andre Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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welcome back andre



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E36.975C47B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 13:35:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15703; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:08:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:08:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804873@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: the extension of the Keaggy thread about looping live... Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:01:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18E37.5412FAC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E37.5412FAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ??? Steve Sandberg is a professional musician. ** last week there was an interesting piece on npr about the pejorative that is now placed on the word "amateur" and the american preoccupation with being "professional" and the fact that making money doing one's "art" somehow confers some sort of validation on artistic endeavour. also, i've know plenty of musicans who are professional (doing movie soundtracks, jingles, album work, etc., many days of the week) and play coffeehouses in order to play "their" music - - music they truly care about. just some thoughts, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E37.5412FAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: the extension of the Keaggy thread about looping live...

???

Steve Sandberg is a professional musician.



** last week there was an interesting piece on npr about = the pejorative that is now placed on the word "amateur" and the a= merican preoccupation with being "professional" and the fact that= making money doing one's "art" somehow confers some sort of vali= dation on artistic endeavour.

also, i've know plenty of musicans who are professional (= doing movie soundtracks, jingles, album work, etc., many days of the week) = and play coffeehouses in order to play "their" music - - music th= ey truly care about.

just some thoughts,

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E37.5412FAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 14:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19903; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:01:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:55:01 -0800 Subject: Re: payment for service (long? you be the judge) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1136F594-FA32-11D5-ACE9-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <00WE0B.A.GgE.I0hK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A more accurate and succinct description of the subject has yet to be voiced in this forum. Good job Travis. While being a grim picture, I suggest that it points to the fact that when we try to play at a bar, perhaps we're barking up the wrong tree. There are alternative places to play. Non profit art spaces, parties, etc. Why beat your head against a wall? I found out a long time ago that making money part of the performance made me A) Sad and B) Poor. For me, the two are now divorced, and have never been more fulfilling. No reason to get all bitter about the way things are, you're energy is better spent playing. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, December 26, 2001, at 07:42 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > A common source of friction between musicians and venue owners is that > musicians operate under the assumption that if they show up and make > nice > sounds, they should get paid, they've done their part. Owners tend to > take > the position that if the musician can be shown to have increased the > business for the night, then they get paid. The quality and character > of > the sounds produced is often secondary, as long as the bar cash register > keeps ringing. > > Often, these two assumptions go unstated, or at least unelaborated. The > musician feels he should get paid in at least the same manner as the guy > mopping the floor, i.e. if the the floor is mopped, money is forked > over. > The venue owner probably already has a juke box or CD player installed > which > keeps most of the customers happy (and drinking) most of the time--why > should he give up some of his hard-earned income to some guy making > weird > noises? Or even normal noises if there's no bump in the sales? > > Some owners will be totally up front about this and let you know that > your > continued success is dependent upon people showing up to see you AND > buying > something while they're there. If you see your friends coming out to a > show > to "support" you, and then drinking water, explain to them that if > they're > not spending money they're don't register on the owner's radar. They're > taking up space for real, paying customers (understand that this is all > from > the viewpoint of the business-minded owner). > > Many owners will profess their "love of live music" and their "support > of > the the arts". Some of these people are squarely full of shit, some are > sincere, yet somewhat mistaken, and very, very few are totally on the > level > with you. If you find someone like that, stick to them like glue. > Learn to > recognize the first two types (quickly) and adjust your plans and > expectations accordingly. There's nothing wrong with asking a booking > agent > up front what has to happen for the evening to be a success in their > eyes. > Don't be shocked or offended if they discuss it purely in terms of > beer/coffee sold. Fitting art into the business world is tricky > business, > and up close bears a striking resemblance to the manufacture of > sausages. > > And, if you're going to be hard- > line/uncompromising/supremely-principled in > what constitutes acceptable pay, be prepared to play in paying venues > somewhat...infrequently. Taking the attitude that "if beer's being sold > while I'm playing, then I get paid" may bite you in the ass when at the > end > of the night the owner comes by and demands his cut of your CD/t-shirt > sales. After all, if you're using his storefront to promote and sell > your > product, why shouldn't he get a cut? Oh, and you are reporting your > sales > tax on that, right? > > Despite the grimness of the above, music still finds a way to happen. > Just > be prepared for a few obstacles along the way. > > TH > > > >> i happen to believe that the benefit of 'exposure' is a myth. that is >> my >> opinion, though ... feel free to feel different. no matter how many >> people are >> there, my rule is still in effect for _me_ ... booze for sale = money >> exchanged >> = money should be in my pocket too. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 16:08:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26035; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:37:10 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Total Newbee To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010301c18e4d$17c02960$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <_84seD.A.XNG.3TjK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i can't wait to hear your stuff. i think your instrumentation is well suited for looping. you definitely want to use a foot controller with the echoplex. i have seen the edp new for less than $800. try alto music (www.altomusic.com, i forget the phone number...) btw, i have nothing but good things to say about edp support... > > > Hi All, > > My name is Blue, I am a Native American SongKeeper. I play native american flute for a living. I am going to buy a Gibson Echoplex very soon and would very much appreciate any and all support in the area of understanding what I need to use this device in performance. > > My plan is to start out with a medicine drum loop, played live by me, add a rattle, then possibly a chant and finally play my flutes on top of that. I also plan to do a three flute thing, using a bass flute, a mid range flute and a high flute. > > I apologize in advance for knowing so little about this wonderful technology. > > I have a good mic, an amp, and a Boss digital delay pedal I use. > > Do I need any other equipment besides the Echoplex? > > Does the Echoplex come with the foot pedal? > > Is $800.00 a good price for the Echoplex? > > In Peace and Harmony, > > Blue > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 16:09:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26064; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:44:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:38:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18E4D.3F81C620" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E4D.3F81C620 Content-Type: text/plain Hey everyone, Thanks for the advice on the DL-4. My wife ended up picking it up for me as my main X-Mas present. I've only had a little while to play with it, but I'm really happy so far. Hope you're all well, Carl Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: Legion [mailto:Legion@HelpWantedProductions.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any opinions on Line 6 DL-4 I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here have an opinion on it? I got one when they first came out and later traded it for a piece of kit I really wanted. I'd certainly consider buying another one *especially* if it were cheap. Here my take: The unit is very versatile. It has quite a few useful features and even some esoteric parameters that make it interesting. As a delay box on it's own (ie: not compared to anything in particular) it is stellar. The reverse and digital delays are great fun. The loop thing is not that sophisticated but works quite well. If you want to hear it in action I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency Expander instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are all LIFE into the DL4 and it was flexible enough for me to use almost all the features and presets on a 60 minute album without duplicating much. I can't say that about many delays out there. Two things that aren't all they are hyped up to be: The emulations are cool as delays but IMO they are not *that* useful as authentic substitutes. In other words don't expect this to be the exact same thing as a Space echo or tube echoplex. What is it more like is a snapshot of one taste of those pieces and as such is still fun and useful but it is NOT the same thing. OTOH, each preset gives you a different flavor of delay so again, even though it may not be the exact unit it is emulating, it is cool to have many totally different delays in one box. The other thing that was kind of confusing was the whole preset idea. I never found this useful because you get three (four) presets but there is no indication of what you're calling up or what the knobs are set for (fair enough there is no display on the unit). I guess you could look at these as a "bonus" and call one up when you don't need to tweak anything. I just found them too confusing to keep track of so I just dialed in something and then used the unit "live" for that it was great. I recall these were selling for around $200 new plus the power supply. Anything less than that is an OK price. Anything far less ($125ish or so) than that falls into the great buy for a good box category. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E4D.3F81C620 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey = everyone,

 

=

Thanks for the advice on the DL-4. = My wife ended up picking it up for me as my main X-Mas present.  I've only had a little while to play with it, but I'm really happy so = far.

 

=

Hope you're all = well,

 

=

Carl Jacobson

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I can get a used DL-4 = pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here have an opinion on = it?


I got one when they first came out and later traded it for a piece of = kit I really wanted. I'd certainly consider buying another one *especially* = if it were cheap. Here my take:

The unit is very versatile. It has quite a = few useful features and even some esoteric parameters that make it interesting. As = a delay box on it's own (ie: not compared to anything in particular) it is = stellar. The reverse and digital delays are great fun. The loop thing is not that sophisticated but works quite well.  If you want to hear it in = action I used a DL4 exclusively with the Little Infinite Frequency Expander = instrument on my CD "The L.I.F.E. Album". (Samples at: = www.mp3.com/davidtalento) The growls and pings and scrapes are all  LIFE into the DL4 and it = was flexible enough for me to use almost all the features and presets on a = 60 minute album without duplicating much. I can't say that about many = delays out there.

Two things that aren't all they are hyped up = to be:

The emulations are cool as delays but IMO = they are not *that* useful as authentic substitutes. In other words don't expect = this to be the exact same thing as a Space echo or tube echoplex. What is it more = like is a snapshot of one taste of those pieces and as such is still fun and = useful but it is NOT the same thing. OTOH, each preset gives you a different = flavor of delay so again, even though it may not be the exact unit it is = emulating, it is cool to have many totally different delays in one box. =

The other thing that was kind of confusing = was the whole preset idea. I never found this useful because you get three = (four) presets but there is no indication of what you're calling up or what = the knobs are set for (fair enough there is no display on the unit). I guess you = could look at these as a "bonus" and call one up when you don't = need to tweak anything. I just found them too confusing to keep track of so I = just dialed in something and then used the unit "live" for that it = was great.

I recall these were selling for around $200 = new plus the power supply. Anything less than that is an OK price. Anything far = less ($125ish  or so) than that falls into the great buy for a good box category.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E4D.3F81C620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 16:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26394; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:52:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:52:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:46:41 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012d01c18e4e$6c583d40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...rubato(what the hell is that?).... you've never heard of mr. rubato? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 16:56:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30233; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:22:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: the extension of the Keaggy thread about looping live... In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804873@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804873@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4P0CCB.A.HPH.B_jK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:01 PM -0500 12/26/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** last week there was an interesting piece on npr about the >pejorative that is now placed on the word "amateur" and the american >preoccupation with being "professional" and the fact that making >money doing one's "art" somehow confers some sort of validation on >artistic endeavour. "Amateur" traditionally meant "one who does something for the love of it" as opposed to the secular meaning of "professional" as "one who does something for gain." The term "professional" has become so debased that whenever I see a product named with the prefix "pro" I automatically assume it is inferior. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 17:12:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30838; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:43:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:43:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080487B@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: looping in general Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:35:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18E55.3FCFC570" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E55.3FCFC570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been looping for about a year now, and find that I absolutely love it at home. I can get lost in loops, I can play and hit wonderful zones where I feel that I can go on forever, I sometimes create loops that I can listen to for a long long time and go to some wonderful emotional places with. However, sometimes it's just dry -- and not really happening -- and this seems pretty much out of my control. And this makes it kind of scary for live performances. I like the freedom of looping. I don't really like planning things in advance -- but it seems out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not. Another thing that seems to make things work or not is, the levels of overdubbed sounds in a loop really contribute to making something ordinary or magical -- and this seems hard to control, too. ** hi, i'm not sure that this is only a looping issue . . . it seems to me it's a performance issue. in other words, doing an improv set/show is often going to have the potential pitfalls of dry/less-than-satisfying moments. i believe this to be the nature of the beast; sometimes it's gonna click, other times it won't. (i used to feel that 75% success of any given set was good, now my sights are on 90% or higher.) my best advice would be to keep doing it; if you aren't that used to doing it now, you are developing new creative muscles (so to speak) and will most likely get better at doing it over time. my last bit of advice would be to do stuff where looping isn't the only thing you do; be freer with your "program." do what you feel at that moment. if you feel that you *must* do looping, that may be setting yourself up for an expectation/limitation that will curtail what you are creating. my 2 cents worth, stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E55.3FCFC570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Phil Keaggy -- looping in general
I've been looping for about a year now, and find that I absolutely love it at home.  I can get lost in loops, I can play and hit wonderful zones where I feel that I can go on forever, I sometimes create loops that I can listen to for a long long time and go to some wonderful emotional places with.
However, sometimes it's just dry -- and not really happening -- and this seems pretty much out of my control.
And this makes it kind of scary for live performances.  I like the freedom of looping.  I don't really like planning things in advance -- but it seems out of my control whether anything is going to work live or not. 
  
Another thing that seems to make things work or not is, the levels of overdubbed sounds in a loop really contribute to making something ordinary or magical -- and this seems hard to control, too.
** hi,
 
i'm not sure that this is only a looping issue . . . it seems to me it's a performance issue. in other words, doing an improv set/show is often going to have the potential pitfalls of dry/less-than-satisfying moments. i believe this to be the nature of the beast; sometimes it's gonna click, other times it won't. (i used to feel that 75% success of any given set was good, now my sights are on 90%  or higher.)
 
my best advice would be to keep doing it; if you aren't that used to doing it now, you are developing new creative muscles (so to speak) and will most likely get better at doing it over time.
 
my last bit of advice would be to do stuff where looping isn't the only thing you do; be freer with your "program." do what you feel at that moment. if you feel that you *must* do looping, that may be setting yourself up for an expectation/limitation that will curtail what you are creating.
 
my 2 cents worth,
 
stig


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E55.3FCFC570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 17:38:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00611; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:13:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:13:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080487C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: pro/amateur Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:05:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18E59.761D74C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E59.761D74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "Amateur" traditionally meant "one who does something for the love of it" as opposed to the secular meaning of "professional" as "one who does something for gain." ** right. since i have a dayjob, i must be an amateur . . . i'm thinking of having a t-shirt made that so identifies me. besides which, how many "professionals" are really doing something that they feel in their creative hearts to make the $$$? damn few in my estimation. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E59.761D74C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pro/amateur

"Amateur" traditionally meant "one who doe= s something for the love of
it" as opposed to the secular meaning of "prof= essional" as "one who
does something for gain."


** right. since i have a dayjob, i must be an amateur . .= . i'm thinking of having a t-shirt made that so identifies me.

besides which, how many "professionals" are rea= lly doing something that they feel in their creative hearts to make the $$$= ? damn few in my estimation.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18E59.761D74C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 18:53:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04887; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:29:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:29:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c18e64$a5b10480$dc61f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200112262109.QAA28720@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: welcome back Andre Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:25:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, welcome back Andre. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 19:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07456; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:01:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:50:21 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: pro/amateur In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080487C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080487C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:05 PM -0500 12/26/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** right. since i have a dayjob, i must be an amateur . . . i'm >thinking of having a t-shirt made that so identifies me. > >besides which, how many "professionals" are really doing something >that they feel in their creative hearts to make the $$$? damn few in >my estimation. It's worth reflecting on the fact that before "profession" came to mean "a line of work" it generally described a religious calling. So traditionally, a professional was one who had a lofty goal and whose work had a spiritual essence. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 19:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08313; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:24:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:24:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c18e6b$68a87580$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804873@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: the extension of the Keaggy thread about looping live... Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:14:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3qE-WC.A.79B.dhmK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: the extension of the Keaggy thread about looping live...>----- Original Message ----- >From: Liebig, Steuart A. >** last week there was an interesting piece on npr about the pejorative >that is now placed on the word "amateur" and the american preoccupation >with being "professional" and the fact that making money doing one's "art" >somehow confers some sort of validation on artistic endeavour. >also, i've know plenty of musicans who are professional (doing >movie soundtracks, jingles, album work, etc., many days of the >week) and play coffeehouses in order to play "their" music - - >music they truly care about. I think Steve has the luxury of being able to be creative in his day job (scoring a Nickleodean show, theatre and other things) AND to have his own gig. I've heard him at the Knitting Factory, NY a few times and I know he had a month long gig at the Gugenheim Museum (not exactly a coffeehouse!) a few years ago. I know Steve from a Raga class with Michael Harrison (the last piano tuner for La Monte Young's Well Tuned Piano in the '80's and an amazing artist in his own right) a few years ago. Steve's a competent musican, I was impressed with his skill at notating and repeating whatever Michael dished out. I know I couldn't deal with it. At the time I didn't know that he had played with David Byrne, Ruben Blades and others. So the down homey coments by Steve Lawson aboout making a demo seem strange, I don't think SL knows where Mr. Sandberg is coming from. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 20:39:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11653; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:03:43 -0500 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance@First Night @ Hynes Convention Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks I'll be doing video performances with Immersion Music Salon as part of First Night at the Hynes Convention Center room Room 112 in the Hallway of Hall A. I'll be performing with a rotating cast including: Katt Hernandez Violin, Marc Bisson, Guitar Joe Brown Jason whose last name and instrument I don't have Walter Wright Video Probably others. Sets are at 7:15, 8:00, 8:45, 9:30, 10:15 Hope to see some of you there. -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13264; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:52:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:52:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:46:20 +0000 Subject: payment... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> ** last week there was an interesting piece on npr about the pejorative that is now placed on the word "amateur" and the american preoccupation with being "professional" and the fact that making money doing one's "art" somehow confers some sort of validation on artistic endeavour. also, i've know plenty of musicans who are professional (doing movie soundtracks, jingles, album work, etc., many days of the week) and play coffeehouses in order to play "their" music - - music they truly care about.<<< ...reminds me of seeing Abe Laboriel playing at the Baked Potato, playing his ass off with a stunning piano trio to a total of 6 people there for the second set, with three of us being on the guest list - Abe's bar tab was bigger than the taking on the door, and I don't think he drinks... :o) He played that set the same way I've seen him play in front of thousands - with every cell in his body. I took away a lot more from that gig that just the great music and a fine CD - not to mention the profuse thanks that he offered to everyone for being there, individually (admittedly, not that tricky when there are only 6 people there... :o) ...6 people watching Abe Laboriel?????? what on earth is going on with the world?????? Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15178; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:12:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:12:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2A8127.CF6D6ABF@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:02:15 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping live, professionalism, etc... References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804873@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <003701c18e6b$68a87580$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let me tiptoe into the fray and offer a couple of ideas... In my opinion, the most important things to consider here are: -- What am I trying to do? -- What is the best way to accomplish that? All of the peripheral issues that have sprung up from this thread, with regards to payment, professionalism vs. amaturism, reputation, and so forth, are worth mulling over, but I actually don't think they have that much to do with the core issue. As far as I can see it, that issue (and the answer to the two questions posed above) is: -- A guy wants to become more proficient at looping in a live context. -- Just about every single reply to that question has recommended doing gigs in order to obtain that end, preferably of the low-key variety so that the 'research and development' phase can be as low-key and anxiety-free as possible. That being the case, I honestly don't think the issue of anyone's particular background is all that relevant. What IS relevant is that specific person finding an approach that will allow them to improve in the areas they're looking at. So, Steve Sandburg's resume is very impressive, but he himself has professed anxiety about using looping in a live context. One good solution to that, as recommended by many folks here, is to get more practice doing it live. Whether that happens at a coffeehouse, a loft space, or the Knitting Factory is really beside the point, I think, as is whether he needs to make a demo or can book a gig strictly on the strength of his reputation. The principle is basically the same, and that principle is: people who have done a significant amount of loop gigs recommend doing a bunch of low-pressure gigs in order to better integrate that technology into one's natural performance routine. I honestly think Steve L's advice has the same fundamental merit regardless of who it's being offered to, especially since Mr. Lawson was himself a pro with an impressive CV prior to getting into looping, and has more solo looping gigs under his belt than most people you're likely to run into. I didn't see anything demeaning or disrespectful in his advice, or that of anyone else here, and I certainly hope it isn't misconstrued in that way. Learning how to coordinate the mechanics of whatever looping hardware and/or processing gear you're using really is a whole technique and skill in itself, especially if you're trying to integrate all of those things is a seamless, fluid, real-time manner. It is much like learning a new instrument. Or, from a different point of view, think of it as the looping equivalent of Sonny Rollins practicing on the Brooklyn Bridge. Anyway, enough from me. Best wishes to everyone... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:59:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16076; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:34:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c18e7d$67ac8420$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: finding the right tree ... and barking. WAS payment blah blah Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:22:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah something i forgot to mention is that i don't try to put on my Klaus Schulze/Robert Fripp tribute act at the local frat bar ... i show up with a funk band and my Hammond organ. the gig with Death Squad was an ambient thing. that last unpaid bar gig was with the funk band. there are examples of both "forks" of my music on the suitandtieguy.com site. when i do the electro stuff, the crowd is so small i just invite a party over to my capacious studio. there are no art galleries or other appropriate venues in Peoria for this. it's pretty depressing yet so _liberating_ to realise this. i don't think there's much disagreement though between the posts in this thread. not in my mind at least. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 23:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23909; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:23:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:23:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:17:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Perils of live/The extension of the Keaggy thread From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112270048.TAA09329@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092253424_2192227_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092253424_2192227_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wow, glad to see my questions about live looping/improv have stimulated such an interesting thread. I've gotten a lot out of the discussion - most of all the feeling that what I'm going through is just the nature of the beast, and the encouragement to keep at it. As far as the professional/amateur discussion, I try to keep my "beginner's mind" in music, and try not letting being a "professional" get in the way of my music-making. Several years ago I decided to separate my money-making ventures in music from my "artistic" ventures, and it's been quite good for my head. When I do paid work (these days mostly in TV/film scoring), I consider I'm doing a service for a client and try to provide them with something they can use. I try to be as creative as I can and to have as much fun with it as I can, but realize that I'm being paid to support the project. This has freed me to get into studying raga, and recently looping, which I basically do for my own joy (although I can see how the looping will infiltrate its way into my scoring work). So I don't care about making money from live gigs -- very freeing! Doing "artistic" stuff on my own also keeps me very good about accepting feedback from clients on projects, because I don't have much ego about getting anything in particular into any particular score -- I have another outlet for that. I love the definition of "amateur" as someone who does art for the love of it -- I hope I always keep my amateur status. --MS_Mac_OE_3092253424_2192227_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Perils of live/The extension of the Keaggy thread Wow, glad to see my questions about live looping/improv have= stimulated such an interesting thread.
I've gotten a lot out of the discussion - most of all the feeling that what= I'm going through is just the nature of the beast, and the encouragement to= keep at it.
As far as the professional/amateur discussion, I try to keep my "begin= ner's mind" in music, and try not letting being a "professional&qu= ot; get in the way of my music-making.  Several years ago I decided to = separate my money-making ventures in music from  my "artistic"= ; ventures, and it's been quite good for my head.  When I do paid work = (these days mostly in TV/film scoring), I consider I'm doing a service for a= client and try to provide them with something they can use.  I try to = be as creative as I can and to have as much fun with it as I can, but realiz= e that I'm being paid to support the project.  
This has freed me to get into studying raga, and recently looping, which I = basically do for my own joy (although I can see how the looping will infiltr= ate its way into my scoring work).  So I don't care about making money = from live gigs -- very freeing!  Doing "artistic" stuff on my= own also keeps me very good about accepting feedback from clients on projec= ts, because I don't have much ego about getting anything in particular into = any particular score -- I have another outlet for that.
I love the definition of "amateur" as someone who does art for th= e love of it -- I hope I always keep my amateur status.
--MS_Mac_OE_3092253424_2192227_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 23:52:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24155; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:28:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:28:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looper's Poll--Live or Memorex? (also gig spam) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:20:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C2A8127.CF6D6ABF@altruistmusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, here's a chance to cast your vote on the subject-- I got this gig, see, at a local beer/wine pub, seats maybe twenty people if they love each other, on the basis of an audition I did with acoustic guitar and vocal augmented by laptop with sequences. Virtually no looping, just for a solo on one song and an outro on another. although I did a couple of songs with just guitar, vocal and harmonica solo. Then a couple of nights ago I discover the display on my laptop has become too dim to see, so it must go back to Hewlett Packard for a week (dude, I shoulda bought a Dell). Should I drag the desktop (with its horrible CRT glare) to the gig or try to do it with my EDP? A mitigating factor is that I invited the talented Mr. Harvey Starr to sit in on Ztar and he says he's probably gonna do it with me. Don't you think I should bite the bullet and do the live thing? What are they gonna do, FIRE ME???? Please cast your vote, if you have one, to the list, as someone named Chooky sent some viral screen saver thing I narrowly avoided, and I have been more careful about opening my mail. BTW, the name of the Place is Henifin's Pub, located at 13314-16 Poway Rd., Poway, CA 92064, telephone (858) 486-0764, the date is New Year's Eve, I start at 9 PM and they have a free buffet that starts around 7 and EVERYONE WHO SHOWS UP IN A LOOPER'S DELIGHT T-SHIRT gets a free beer. One beer for everybody. My final offer. Unless you wanna sit in, and then you gotta bring your instrument. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 02:57:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01104; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:33:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:33:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:27:52 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: RE: More on the perils of live looping In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804872@mitorexch01.maritz.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre, Glad to have you back as well... Been digging your new offerings! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 04:29:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07572; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:06:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:06:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.74.146] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Poll--Live or Memorex? (also gig spam) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:59:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2001 08:59:15.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[C27D3ED0:01C18EB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, Go for the "live thing"! It's New Year's Eve; it's a chance to try something new. If I didn't live in NorCal, I'd come to check it out. Best of Luck, and Best Wishes for 2002! Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 04:59:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09085; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:34:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <20.2150227d.295c439d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:27:57 EST Subject: Re: payment for service (playing in bars) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anecdote. In the late 80's I made quite a lot of effort to find pub gigs for my (somewhat bizarre) jazz band. I remember one long running slot where the manager seemed genuinely taken by our music, but always had an eye on how much extra cash we could produce for him. I just turned up at his bar one night, and asked him to book my band, I think he was impressed in some way when I said I didn't drink alcohol. He didn't have many customers on a Saturday night, so he asked us to play, just to see how things worked out. So every Saturday we would go and play 3 sets and then wait to see if we got next week's gig. Ever tried to publicise a gig at one week's notice?? This went on for a couple of months at least, and we even got paid (probably more than we ever earned in terms of increased sales) Our manager friend suggested we did a few well known numbers, (instead of our own Mingus/Ornette/progressive compositions), we didn't mind this so tried a couple of things. Made no difference of course. Thing was, it just wasn't beer music, not really the average pub jazz kind of sound. The manager wasn't unsympathetic, but pointed out that even the few people who came to see us didn't really drink much. (unlike the manager himself). Eventually he just stopped booking us, and the next Saturday he had a full pub. A month or so later and his pub was again empty on Saturdays. 6 Months later that manager left the pub (popular theory being that his liver had given out). The moral of the story? Don't know really, but maybe certain venues aren't about interesting new music, even if we think they could be, or should be. Our music wasn't all that way out (except to jazz fans), but it didn't have that tired old familiarity of the British pub. So I imagine playing my looped guitar in such a venue " do you know any blues " " can you play Hotel California " " can you turn down a bit " or some version of the landlord's classic " I'm not saying you're a bad band, but you're not what we expected " andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 06:20:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13757; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 05:55:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 05:55:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: Reports from the lab (part1) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:53:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <0a-Hz.A.TRD.vyvK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse wrote, > Merry Christmas. Here's what I got you... > Bill Frisell meets Ornette Coleman in a Cuisinart this is the most interesting and entertaining guitar loop stuff I've heard in a long time. Thanks for posting. Will you do a CD in that style? = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 09:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25110; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:10:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper's Poll--Live or Memorex? (also gig spam) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <7B2nfC.A.vCG.IpyK8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I say do it...out on a limb, where the fruit is. Carl Jacobson Director of Marketing Communications -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 11:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper's Poll--Live or Memorex? (also gig spam) Well, here's a chance to cast your vote on the subject-- I got this gig, see, at a local beer/wine pub, seats maybe twenty people if they love each other, on the basis of an audition I did with acoustic guitar and vocal augmented by laptop with sequences. Virtually no looping, just for a solo on one song and an outro on another. although I did a couple of songs with just guitar, vocal and harmonica solo. Then a couple of nights ago I discover the display on my laptop has become too dim to see, so it must go back to Hewlett Packard for a week (dude, I shoulda bought a Dell). Should I drag the desktop (with its horrible CRT glare) to the gig or try to do it with my EDP? A mitigating factor is that I invited the talented Mr. Harvey Starr to sit in on Ztar and he says he's probably gonna do it with me. Don't you think I should bite the bullet and do the live thing? What are they gonna do, FIRE ME???? Please cast your vote, if you have one, to the list, as someone named Chooky sent some viral screen saver thing I narrowly avoided, and I have been more careful about opening my mail. BTW, the name of the Place is Henifin's Pub, located at 13314-16 Poway Rd., Poway, CA 92064, telephone (858) 486-0764, the date is New Year's Eve, I start at 9 PM and they have a free buffet that starts around 7 and EVERYONE WHO SHOWS UP IN A LOOPER'S DELIGHT T-SHIRT gets a free beer. One beer for everybody. My final offer. Unless you wanna sit in, and then you gotta bring your instrument. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 11:04:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30414; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:39:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:39:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c18de5$13111b80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: <000e01c18de5$13111b80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:35:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP- Delay Mode-Mute Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >EDP question- > >In delay mode I press Overdub to hold the loop- if I then Mute the >loop the loop fades away- is there a way to avoid this? > >Thanks- > >Cliff great! that inconsistency can almost be called a bug, although only about 2-3 users noted it. Fixed in the upgrade. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 11:55:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01817; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:31:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:31:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: filed recorders Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:25:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c18ef3$0ed769c0$fe78a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With defects manifesting resenctly with my DAT recorder, the time will come in the near future to replace this device. The must-haves are: * portable * possibility to battery-power * mcrophone in * digital ports * recording time of min. 80min. without media exchange would-be-nice would be: * quality up to "CD quality" * exchangeable media * high-bandwith computer inteface (either for device or for media) Any thoughts? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 13:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06644; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:49:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:49:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ca01c18efe$27229620$7b174ed5@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:44:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Expectation is indeed a key thing, though I do think that you can do an ambient drone based thing and get the audience to go with you... Max's point about working with the audience was a good one - as well as Mark's suggestion to give some sort of explaination of what's going on (even though we as performers can't imagine how anyone could think it was a backing track, I've had people suggest that I put 'mistakes' on the track to make it sound live...????? what's worse, the mistake was part of the tune... :o) I tend to try and explain a little of what's going on, and also to give people liberty to respond however they like, so long as it doesn't upset anyone else's listening experience - if it's a social setting and everyone is chatting, that's cool, no-one gets upset, and I can noodle away... if half want to list and half want to talk, you're in the shit - very hard to pitch a gig half way, I find. But I do let people know that it's OK to close their eyes, doze off, chill, eat, drink - just don't do it near the mics if I'm recording the show! :o) I'm also fortunate that I tend to react to what's happening physically - I find much the music I make hugely funny (it's just the notion of sitting on a stage with a bass and a bunch of toys and having people pay money to watch me do it...!!!) and do react to what I'm doing facially. I remember seeing Michael Manring build up this insane multiloop noise-fest thing and then just look in horror at his amp with his head in his hands - it changes the way that the listener relates to what you're doing. If there's a story behind the tune (assuming there's some composed element to it) that can help to give people a focus - or hey, you could hand out paper and pens and turn it into a creative writing seminar, inspired by your music... :o) Whatever - I tend to feel a huge amount of gratitude to anyone who comes out to see me play, and try to convey that - they don't have to be there, and I hope they have a great time. If they don't, that's a shame, but if you're not playing 'commercial' music, then you've got to learn to deal with people not 'getting it' in some way... After all, perception is a wonderful and random thing... BTW - on the subject of gratitude, I'd be very grateful if any of you in California would check out the gig page on my website for details of my dates in Thousand Oaks, Santa Barbara, Sacramento, San Jose and (hopefully) Santa Cruz dates in January - I'll post the full details here soon... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > -- One reason I personally have been trying tooth and nail to steer away > > from effects-laden, ambient-styled loop work is because I've found that > > it hard to capture and hold a live audience with that approach. Now, > > for a lot of ambient musicians, that's exactly the point -- to NOT > > necessarily demand their focused listening, and to function as a > > background environmental aspect just as much as a foreground element. > > For me personally, though, I want to be able to grab and hold a > > listener, and I've found that it's hard to do that with the > > ambient/ebowed/droney/rubato/soundscapey angle. > > > Exactly Andre! Expectations are what can get you in trouble. Playing > an ambient set and expecting an audience to hang on your every note is > unfair to the audience. I for one, like playing > ambient/bowed/droney/rubato(what the hell is that?)/soundscapey stuff, > but at things like art openings, or at a cafe where the art or social > interaction is the focus, not me. > > You'll still get that random person at the end that asks about your > gear, or say, "Do you know the band Can?" > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 13:35:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08722; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c18f00$c7551b20$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <000e01c18de5$13111b80$6401a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: EDP- Delay Mode-Mute Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:03:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I should feel special my EDP has a few rare idiosyncracies-(clock crystal out of spec etc) looking forward to the new update- Thanks Mattias. PS- If anyone is interested the Paradis site has EDP software info- you should see the huge list of things that were in the last update- I'm sure the new update will be worth the wait- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: Re: EDP- Delay Mode-Mute > >EDP question- > > > >In delay mode I press Overdub to hold the loop- if I then Mute the > >loop the loop fades away- is there a way to avoid this? > > > >Thanks- > > > >Cliff > > great! that inconsistency can almost be called a bug, although only > about 2-3 users noted it. Fixed in the upgrade. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 13:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09652; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:27:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c18f03$1d8f77e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01ca01c18efe$27229620$7b174ed5@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: the perils of live looping (addition question) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:20:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will try to catch you at NAMM- happy trails- Cliff > BTW - on the subject of gratitude, I'd be very grateful if any of you in California would check out the gig page on my > website for details of my dates in Thousand Oaks, Santa Barbara, Sacramento, San Jose and (hopefully) Santa Cruz dates in > January - I'll post the full details here soon... > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 14:40:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13090; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:14:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:14:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804884@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Perils of live/The extension of the Keaggy thread Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:06:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18F09.8FE6F4C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18F09.8FE6F4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" steve, thanks for your thoughts on this. stig As far as the professional/amateur discussion, I try to keep my "beginner's mind" in music, and try not letting being a "professional" get in the way of my music-making. Several years ago I decided to separate my money-making ventures in music from my "artistic" ventures, and it's been quite good for my head. When I do paid work (these days mostly in TV/film scoring), I consider I'm doing a service for a client and try to provide them with something they can use. I try to be as creative as I can and to have as much fun with it as I can, but realize that I'm being paid to support the project. . . . . I love the definition of "amateur" as someone who does art for the love of it -- I hope I always keep my amateur status. 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steve,
 
thanks for your thoughts on this.
 
stig
 
 
 As far as the professional/amateur discussion, I try to keep my "beginner's mind" in music, and try not letting being a "professional" get in the way of my music-making.  Several years ago I decided to separate my money-making ventures in music from  my "artistic" ventures, and it's been quite good for my head.  When I do paid work (these days mostly in TV/film scoring), I consider I'm doing a service for a client and try to provide them with something they can use.  I try to be as creative as I can and to have as much fun with it as I can, but realize that I'm being paid to support the project.   
 
  . . . . 
 
 I love the definition of "amateur" as someone who does art for the love of it -- I hope I always keep my amateur status.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18F09.8FE6F4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 14:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13782; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:27:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804888@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: pro/amateur Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18F0B.604E7010" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18F0B.604E7010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** ah . . . so i'm a professional amateur ;-) interesting how commerce changes the meaning of words. thanks for the font of knowledge richard (again), stig <> Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18F0B.604E7010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: pro/amateur

** ah  . . . so i'm a professional amateur ;-)

interesting how commerce changes the meaning of words.

thanks for the font of knowledge richard (again),

stig


<<It's worth reflecting on the fact that before "profession" came to
mean "a line of work" it generally described a religious calling. So
traditionally, a professional was one who had a lofty goal and whose
work had a spiritual essence.>>




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18F0B.604E7010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 15:11:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15498; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:46:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:46:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:39:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper's Poll--Live or Memorex? (also gig spam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <60CCD797-FB01-11D5-A9FF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I say go for it. Maybe you could borrow or rent an LCD monitor for the evening. Good lighting is VERY important, in my opinion. I forgot to bring any "stage" lights to the last party I played, and one of the hostesses kept turning off the lights as we were setting up. She told her friends the party started at 8 (the webpage/flyer said 10) and felt obliged to have a halloween ambience going for the early people. Anyway, make sure you can see your stuff, and break a leg. Mark Mark On Wednesday, December 26, 2001, at 08:20 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Well, here's a chance to cast your vote on the subject-- > I got this gig, see, at a local beer/wine pub, seats maybe twenty > people if > they love each other, on the basis of an audition I did with acoustic > guitar > and vocal augmented by laptop with sequences. Virtually no looping, > just > for a solo on one song and an outro on another. although I did a couple > of > songs with just guitar, vocal and harmonica solo. Then a couple of > nights > ago I discover the display on my laptop has become too dim to see, so it > must go back to Hewlett Packard for a week (dude, I shoulda bought a > Dell). > Should I drag the desktop (with its horrible CRT glare) to the gig or > try to > do it with my EDP? > A mitigating factor is that I invited the talented Mr. Harvey Starr to > sit > in on Ztar and he says he's probably gonna do it with me. Don't you > think I > should bite the bullet and do the live thing? What are they gonna do, > FIRE > ME???? > Please cast your vote, if you have one, to the list, as someone named > Chooky > sent some viral screen saver thing I narrowly avoided, and I have been > more > careful about opening my mail. > BTW, the name of the Place is Henifin's Pub, located at 13314-16 Poway > Rd., > Poway, CA 92064, telephone (858) 486-0764, the date is New Year's > Eve, I > start at 9 PM and they have a free buffet that starts around 7 and > EVERYONE > WHO SHOWS UP IN A LOOPER'S DELIGHT T-SHIRT gets a free beer. One beer > for > everybody. My final offer. Unless you wanna sit in, and then you gotta > bring your instrument. > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 15:23:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16969; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:50:52 -0800 Subject: NAMM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006201c18f03$1d8f77e0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Message-Id: <085B19D0-FB03-11D5-A9FF-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <5Eqx7C.A.X3D.gu3K8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Just when and where is NAMM? My wife and I want to go this year for sure. Mark On Thursday, December 27, 2001, at 10:20 AM, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > I will try to catch you at NAMM- happy trails- > > Cliff > > >> BTW - on the subject of gratitude, I'd be very grateful if any of you >> in > California would check out the gig page on my >> website for details of my dates in Thousand Oaks, Santa Barbara, > Sacramento, San Jose and (hopefully) Santa Cruz dates in >> January - I'll post the full details here soon... >> >> Steve >> www.steve-lawson.co.uk >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 15:26:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18599; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: NAMM? Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:56:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <_TNUSC.A.xDE.-y3K8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NAMM is at the Anaheim convention center, January 17-20th. Be sure to stop by booth 6800 and say hello. Carl Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NAMM? Hey, Just when and where is NAMM? My wife and I want to go this year for sure. Mark On Thursday, December 27, 2001, at 10:20 AM, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > I will try to catch you at NAMM- happy trails- > > Cliff > > >> BTW - on the subject of gratitude, I'd be very grateful if any of you >> in > California would check out the gig page on my >> website for details of my dates in Thousand Oaks, Santa Barbara, > Sacramento, San Jose and (hopefully) Santa Cruz dates in >> January - I'll post the full details here soon... >> >> Steve >> www.steve-lawson.co.uk >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 15:52:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20124; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:28:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:28:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:20:03 +0000 Subject: Looping and Steve Sandberg... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I know Steve from a Raga class with Michael Harrison (the last piano tuner for La Monte Young's Well Tuned Piano in the '80's and an amazing artist in his own right) a few years ago. Steve's a competent musican, I was impressed with his skill at notating and repeating whatever Michael dished out. I know I couldn't deal with it. At the time I didn't know that he had played with David Byrne, Ruben Blades and others. So the down homey coments by Steve Lawson aboout making a demo seem strange, I don't think SL knows where Mr. Sandberg is coming from.<<< Until this latest post, I had no idea where Steve Sandberg is coming from, though I'm not sure my comments were 'down-homey'... :o) The beauty of a list like this is that the answer to a question by one person can put things in perspective for someone else entirely... I guess it just goes to show that the answer to a question can only ever refer to the question unless prior knowledge is present, and for those looking on, the difference between a helpful answer and 'down-homey' comments is in the questioner, not the question... ooh, the philosophical spin-offs from such a simple Q & A :o) Steve www.downhomeyquestionsanswered.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 16:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20800; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:39:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:39:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080488B@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NAMM? Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:30:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18F15.62E56310" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C18F15.62E56310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i think that it's 17-20 jan. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NAMM? Hey, Just when and where is NAMM? My wife and I want to go this year for sure. Mark On Thursday, December 27, 2001, at 10:20 AM, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > I will try to catch you at NAMM- happy trails- > > Cliff > > >> BTW - on the subject of gratitude, I'd be very grateful if any of you >> in > California would check out the gig page on my >> website for details of my dates in Thousand Oaks, Santa Barbara, > Sacramento, San Jose and (hopefully) Santa Cruz dates in >> January - I'll post the full details here soon... >> >> Steve >> www.steve-lawson.co.uk >> > > Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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i think that it's 17-20 jan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:51 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: NAMM?


Hey,

Just when and where is NAMM?  My wife and I want to go this year for
sure.

Mark

On Thursday, December 27, 2001, at 10:20  AM, Clifford@BienAppraisers
wrote:

> I will try to catch you at NAMM- happy trails-
>
> Cliff
>
>
>> BTW - on the subject of gratitude, I'd be very grateful if any of you
>> in
> California would check out the gig page on my
>> website for details of my dates in Thousand Oaks, Santa Barbara,
> Sacramento, San Jose and (hopefully) Santa Cruz dates in
>> January - I'll post the full details here soon...
>>
>> Steve
>> www.steve-lawson.co.uk
>>
>
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C18F15.62E56310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 16:11:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21309; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:47:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:47:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c18f16$b89353c0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: OT: Good deal CF card/reader Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:40:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <7tTMrC.A.oHF.Qd4K8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Simpletech compact flash/smartmedia reader/writer $29.51 (has 2 slots and can access both at same time) and 128mb Simpletech CF card- $58.20- Total was $93.20 w UPS ground. www.cdw.com Mark Thomas sales rep- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: RE: NAMM? > NAMM is at the Anaheim convention center, January 17-20th. > > Be sure to stop by booth 6800 and say hello. > > Carl Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:51 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: NAMM? > > Hey, > > Just when and where is NAMM? My wife and I want to go this year for > sure. > > Mark > > On Thursday, December 27, 2001, at 10:20 AM, Clifford@BienAppraisers > wrote: > > > I will try to catch you at NAMM- happy trails- > > > > Cliff > > > > > >> BTW - on the subject of gratitude, I'd be very grateful if any of you > >> in > > California would check out the gig page on my > >> website for details of my dates in Thousand Oaks, Santa Barbara, > > Sacramento, San Jose and (hopefully) Santa Cruz dates in > >> January - I'll post the full details here soon... > >> > >> Steve > >> www.steve-lawson.co.uk > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 18:44:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32634; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:19:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:19:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011227231134.53860.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:11:34 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: Perils of live/The extension of the Keaggy thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've gotten a lot out of the discussion - most of > all the feeling that what > I'm going through is just the nature of the beast, > and the encouragement to > keep at it. I just read a quote from Pablo Picasso today that relates to this quite well.. " I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do" Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 18:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00947; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011227232209.31950.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: Perils of live/The extension of the Keaggy thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20011227231134.53860.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I meant - > " I am always doing that which I can not do, in > order > that I may learn how to do it" > > Aaron (I'm an idiot) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 20:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05476; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:36:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:36:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:29:37 -0500 Subject: Re: pro/amateur From: carlos goldstein To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804888@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092326178_43518_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092326178_43518_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 12/27/01 2:19 PM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote: ** ah . . . so i'm a professional amateur ;-) interesting how commerce changes the meaning of words. thanks for the font of knowledge richard (again), sorry for interjecting , but all this serius talk of pro/amateur took me on a mental thought thread and ended in the W.Allen flick about the second best guitar player: Sean Penn was in the central roll. lol remembering the part where he got caught trying to win that amateur contest! MS. --MS_Mac_OE_3092326178_43518_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: pro/amateur on 12/27/01 2:19 PM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote:=

** ah  . . . so i'm a professional amateur = ;-)

interesting how commerce changes the meaning of words.

thanks for the font of knowledge richard (again),
sorry for interjecting , but all this serius ta= lk of pro/amateur took me on a mental thought thread and ended in the W.Alle= n flick about the second best guitar player: Sean Penn was in the central ro= ll.
lol remembering the part where he got caught trying to win that amateur con= test!


MS.

--MS_Mac_OE_3092326178_43518_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 20:15:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06192; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:49:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:41:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc. From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112271940.OAA14702@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3092326900_732867_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3092326900_732867_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just want to both thank David for spouting my credentials and lauding my musicianship and assure everyone that I never took offense at anything that was offered -- I agree with Andre's comments that looping is a whole different ballgame, and actually one of the things I'm discovering is that I think my looping is at its weakest when I'm trying to emulate a compositional structure based on a non-looping framework, and strongest when I let it be itself. A happy new year to all! --MS_Mac_OE_3092326900_732867_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc. Just want to both thank David for spouting my credentials &n= bsp;and lauding my musicianship and assure everyone that I never took offens= e at anything that was offered --
I agree with Andre's comments that looping is a whole different ballgame, a= nd actually one of the things I'm discovering is that I think my looping is = at its weakest when I'm trying to emulate a compositional structure based on= a non-looping framework, and strongest when I let it be itself.  
A happy new year to all!
--MS_Mac_OE_3092326900_732867_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 23:23:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17327; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:58:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:58:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.9dd3106.295d45e7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:49:59 EST Subject: Re: Perils of live/The extension of the Keaggy thread To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aaron_sorghum@yahoo.com writes: >I just read a quote from Pablo Picasso today that >relates to this quite well.. >" I am always doing that which I can not do, in order >that I may learn how to do" great, great. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 23:26:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18799; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:02:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:02:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:55:16 EST Subject: Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-dWAgD.A.wKE.o0-K8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes: >looping is a whole different ballgame, >and actually one of the things I'm discovering is that I think my looping >is >at its weakest when I'm trying to emulate a compositional structure based >on >a non-looping framework, and strongest when I let it be itself. if i replace the word 'looping' w/the word 'music', and the phrase 'a compositional structure' w/'idiomatic strictures', well..... i like that a lot: yup, i do. in fact, the original sounds good to me, too. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 23:50:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19907; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:26:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:26:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011228041907.99539.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:19:07 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think my looping is > at its weakest when I'm trying to emulate a > compositional structure based on > a non-looping framework, and strongest when I let it > be itself. this has me thinking. after buying Splattercell (both discs are a must have) and reading about DT's cell technique I started experimenting with "composing" a structure while away from my instruments (meaning at work of course) as in: AAB fade in C D AAB and so on, being as detailed as possible in every way. Then when i got home I would play the structure while spontaneously coming up with individual parts on the spot. This was a very eye opening approach for me as previously i had mainly built or layered loops from an initial drone or riff. I would love to hear other approaches that any of you have tried. I often find that by imposing arbitrary rules or limits on what i am "allowed" to do i.e. painting myself in a corner, i am much more creative than if i just play. just looking for fresh ideas! Thanks. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 03:58:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02131; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 03:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.72.62] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'nother Newbie Question pt.2 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:27:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2001 08:27:10.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[719DB420:01C18F79] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Being a new guy, I was wondering if any of you had a/any suggestion/s for divorcing one's self from the "song" mindset when looping? After many years of approaching the composition of music from the song/structured format, I'm leaping into the looping deep end and the improvisational nature of looping, and am interested in your thoughts and approaches to it. Thanks again! Sincerely, Chris Olden p.s.-I've really been enjoying the threads over the past few days. Great stuff! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 11:47:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28729; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:22:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:22:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2C99D2.332EEF59@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:12:02 +0100 From: "o.malhomme" Reply-To: MalhommeO@wanadoo.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: With a Picasso's mind: everything got twisted.... References: <200112280450.XAA21263@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "if i replace the word 'looping' w/the word 'music', and the phrase 'a compositional structure' w/'idiomatic strictures', well....." MMm an interesting and apt choice of "rephrasing" (although not really in fact). I have more than once used "loops" to place myself in the position the original quote from picasso stated. Meaning, construct a patchwork of things I'm totally unable to play, while I did play all parts. And then try to learn it. Of course the word "loop" here is then used in a quite restrictive sense. It is mereley a form of editing. It led me to more or less disconnect my work from my guitar knowledge (being a former guitarist). That is the interesting part. Of course, with the time, it led me to focus more on sounds, arrangements, composition, than on the instrument itself. Because that was were music could lye (mm sp?), in my elusive search for such a thing. So, by a funny twist, working hard on the instrument as well as on designing exercices, made me weaker on my guitar (on a purely "technical" point of view of course). Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 12:17:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30471; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:52:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:52:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Alan Barnard" To: Subject: DL4 on E-Bay Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:45:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-TST: test successful SMTP2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1401808993 Thanks! :) _________________________ Alan Barnard BarnarDesign http://www.barnardesign.com alan@barnardesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 14:00:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05608; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:35:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:35:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.1f29367b.295e1359@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:26:33 EST Subject: Re: 'nother Newbie Question pt.2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7f.1f29367b.295e1359_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7f.1f29367b.295e1359_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2001 2:28:43 AM Central Standard Time, chrisolden@hotmail.com writes: > Hello, > Being a new guy, I was wondering if any of you had > a/any suggestion/s for divorcing one's self from > the "song" mindset when looping? After many years > of approaching the composition of music from the > song/structured format, I'm leaping into the looping > deep end and the improvisational nature of looping, > and am interested in your thoughts and approaches > to it. > Thanks again! > Sincerely, > Chris Olden > > p.s.-I've really been enjoying the threads over the > past few days. Great stuff! > I started looping about a week ago! its great i come from a similar past and approach looping like this... (so far) i think that looping is a no rules sort of mind set... i try letting my mistakes guide my loops right now... and work them into the tune... (it actually makes my stuff sound smarter LOL) OK so... With my nine string bass, I imitate a hip hop kick drum sound (my low F# string is 23hrtz) and get that loop started. Then I imitate a snare tone... I add a hi hat imitation if necessary (harmonics), then a bass line and then I solo over all of it... I record every one of my loops to monitor improvement by adding my roland vs880 into the chain... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_7f.1f29367b.295e1359_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/2001 2:28:43 AM Central Standard Time, chrisolden@hotmail.com writes:

         
  Hello,
   Being a new guy, I was wondering if any of you had
   a/any suggestion/s for divorcing one's self from
   the "song" mindset when looping? After many years
   of approaching the composition of music from the
   song/structured format, I'm leaping into the looping
   deep end and the improvisational nature of looping,
   and am interested in your thoughts and approaches
   to it.
   Thanks again!
   Sincerely,
   Chris Olden

   p.s.-I've really been enjoying the threads over the
        past few days. Great stuff!


I started looping about a week ago! its great i come from a similar past and approach looping like this...

(so far) i think that looping is a no rules sort of mind set... i try letting my mistakes guide my loops right now... and work them into the tune... (it actually makes my stuff sound smarter LOL)

OK so... With my nine string bass, I imitate a hip hop kick drum sound (my low F# string is 23hrtz) and get that loop started. Then I imitate a snare tone...

I add a hi hat imitation if necessary (harmonics), then a bass line and then I solo over all of it...

I record every one of my loops to monitor improvement by adding my roland vs880 into the chain...


Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_7f.1f29367b.295e1359_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 18:10:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22481; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:44:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:37:55 +0000 Subject: gig spam - another Steve Lawson gig added in CA... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just found out (from the Knitting Factory website!) that I'm playing at the Knitting Factory LA on Monday 7th January - tix are $7 - it'd be great to see y'all there, please bring your friends and family! I'm rather excited about playing there, so please make extra special effort to come along (and I'll make extra special effort to be inspiring... :o) See www.knittingfactory.com/kfla for more info... Cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 18:25:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24580; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:01:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:01:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:54:37 -0800 Subject: Re: 'nother Newbie Question pt.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Early in my looping career, I took ambient recordings and played over them, similar to the way I played over British invasion stuff when I first started playing guitar. I think I learned a lot jamming over Music for Airports. It started when I put that album on a tape that we'd play during breaks in between sets. One day I was the first to get back on stage. To let the rest of the band know I wanted to start, I started playing along. One by one I was joined by the rest of the band, we faded out the Eno, then transitioned into one of our original songs. This became a part of our live shows for a while. We then took the training wheels off, and never looked back. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, December 28, 2001, at 12:27 AM, Chris Olden wrote: > > > > Hello, > Being a new guy, I was wondering if any of you had > a/any suggestion/s for divorcing one's self from > the "song" mindset when looping? After many years > of approaching the composition of music from the > song/structured format, I'm leaping into the looping > deep end and the improvisational nature of looping, > and am interested in your thoughts and approaches > to it. > Thanks again! > Sincerely, > Chris Olden > > p.s.-I've really been enjoying the threads over the > past few days. Great stuff! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 21:42:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03277; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:06:43 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Digitech Vocalist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C2D2533.6FE92FD9@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Am wondering if anyone uses the Digitech Vocalist, either the Performer, or the VR unit or an older version. I do a lot of solo heavily "effected" things and would like to add vocals. (and of course cannot just do it "dry") Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 23:15:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07292; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:51:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.51.111] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc. Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 03:44:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2001 03:44:33.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[21360670:01C1901B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang! I have been away for a few days, but have been greatly enjoying this continuing thread on all things looping! Some really wonderful ideas kicking around. This is what I love about this list...the free interchange of ideas, concepts, techniques, et al. So let me pick up where I left off....something about "smoke and mirrors". One thing, and a very important thing, I learned from Rick "Loopool" Walker was not to underestimate your audience. Believe it or not, most audiences DO want to be challenged, whether they are cognizent of this or not. For us loopers, this is very important. Sure, as Steve Lawson pointed out, they may not really be aware of or understand the concept or technololgy of looping, and perhaps you may have to lead them around by the ear for a bit, but almost always, the audience becomes rapt with the entire process. This has been my experience in live situations, where, as Steve said, they might believe there are "canned" parts...or sequences etc. To counter that, I try to throw a few glitches into my performance....to keep it from being in any way perfect (which for me is never really a serious threat :-0) hmmm..I was just listening to some live tracks from the solo bass looping tour this summer, and maybe I took that concept to an extreme! By "walking the audience" thru the whole looping process, you somehow involve them in what is happening, and at that point...you have 'em! I tend to look at looping, and the tools thereof, as instruments themselves (albeit instruments which require an external sound device). I try not to recreate other works, or make myself sound exactly the same gig after gig, night after night. I suppose that now with the Repeater and it's memory functions, mainaining loops and sequences can be part of the looping show...and this is fine, but I rather enjoy stretching the limitations of both the player and the gear. Looping greatly benefits the improvisatory nature of music, and as such, the "looping" part of your performance is as just evolving, and involving, as your instrumental "chops". I try to work this into each of my looping gigs. I also am quite fond of adapting compostional approaches to the looping environment. Rather than trying to, say, make an ABBA type structure with multiple loops, I try to adapt or make a variation of my compositon to include it in a looping system. Often times this means shifting the harmony over a static rhythm loop, or shifteing the melody over a static harmony.. or tapping out and starting over incorporating both ideas! Of, course, using loops in a live setting is gonna be hazardous. The foot-pedal ballet thing is sometimes mind-numbing in its own right, but add to that the horror of "the bad loop"! What I try (really I do TRY) to do is incorporate all these snafus, glitches, clams, and train-wrecks into the performance, just as you use what talents and chops you have to cover those same kind of faux pas "sans loops". Incidentally, when Steve spoke of leaving (and encouraging) the audience to do what ever suits their fancy, it reminded me of a solo gig I did a few weeks ago where there were folks listening intentively, others in various conversations, and others eating (complete with clanging glasses and silverware), all coupled with the (now mandatory) cappucino machine blaring off every few moments (not to mention the cafe was near the train tracks!!). So I improvised a piece which used all of these elements in it. There were but a privilaged few in attendence who "got it", but I made sure to thank everyone who contributed their "part" to the piece. Was the piece filled with blatant mistakes? Sure..timing errors (mostly on the part of the audience or espresso machine :-o)),bad notes, etc., but using a DL4 allowed me to flip those around, or change speeds..... well you get the picture. by the way, I too am a professional musician....I actually make my living doing this! In that way I am very blessed, as I get to make a living from what I love to do most. whew! a little more than just $.02..but what the heck! Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 11:31:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14078; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c19081$61a3f300$47cc2444@union01.nj.comcast.net> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc. Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:56:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C19057.7847A400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <9sQe3D.A.uED.jgeL8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C19057.7847A400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc.Sure Steve! I've been semi-off = line for a few days, I could read my email=20 but unable to respond until now. So sorry I used the term = "professional",=20 I didn't expect people to jump all over the term. I should have said = "quite competent". dB * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg=20 Just want to both thank David for spouting my credentials and lauding = my musicianship and assure everyone that I never took offense at = anything that was offered --=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C19057.7847A400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc.
Sure Steve! I've=20 been semi-off line for a few days, I could read my email
but unable to respond until now. So sorry I used the term "professional", =
I didn't expect people to jump all over the term. I should have said "quite=20 competent".
 
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----- Original Message -----
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Just want = to both thank=20 David for spouting my credentials  and lauding my musicianship = and assure=20 everyone that I never took offense at anything that was offered --=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C19057.7847A400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 19:15:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11612; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c701c190c2$a3073be0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "skincage" From: "skincage" To: Subject: on the road Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:43:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks. i'm doing a new year's eve show at a friend's warehouse in brooklyn and i have a question for the more experienced about gear safety. i have a ride up via another attendee's rental car, but we haven't booked the ride back yet. i could go either by train (amtrak) or by bus (greyhound). amtrak is naturally more expensive, and at least in this case might create a bigger hassle getting to/from the station. greyhound is way cheap for this one way trip and i've used them before, but never with my actual equipment along for the often bumpy ride. details: case one: skb pop up mixer case, used but good shape, holding mackie cfx-12 and all cables. case two: gator case 6 RU roller rack, holding patchbay, power conditioner/supply, repeater, RNC compressor, and Mo-FX. since all units are shallow the negative space will probably be filled by a kaoss pad, and headrush, i'm thinking of velcroing them to the sides or inside the back lid. i'll probably fill remaining space in each case with clothes in lieu of a suitcase to save space and give a little extra cushion. my carry-on will probably be a little roller case i found with a discman, minidisc recorder, and a couple of circuit-bent items. i'm planning on laying things out tonight and tomorrow for a test play, maybe i'll eliminate a few items for simplicity in the process, but basically my question is are non shockmount cases safe enough for buses? and actually, are trains any safer? i may have no choice but i figured i should ask. ideally of course i'd just drive, and have more space for toys, but that's not a safe option at the moment. any advice is quite appreciated! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 20:09:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15738; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:43:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:43:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <166.65cf073.295fbb67@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:35:51 EST Subject: Re: Looping live, professionalism , etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com max wrote: >One thing, and a very important thing, I learned from Rick "Loopool" Walker >was not to underestimate your audience. whether under- or over-, it's till only an estimation..... >Believe it or not, most audiences >DO want to be challenged, whether they are cognizent of this or not. i'm not so sure about that. these days, it seems there's been a kinf of amplified resistance towards 'challenge/surprise', in the ongoing musical balancing act 'twixt that half of the equation & the other: that of 'fulfilling expectations'. >For us loopers, this is very important. Sure, as Steve Lawson pointed out, they >may not really be aware of or understand the concept or technololgy of >looping, and perhaps you may have to lead them around by the ear for a >bit, i'd prefer to avoid that, generally, myself. >but almost always, the audience becomes rapt with the entire process. again, that's not my experience --- and i don't tend towards 'explaining' my process to an audience, except at the odd (and, i do mean odd) clinic & master-class. (i was turned off to that concept, in the '80's. after showing eberhard weber the lovely aspects of using a pcm42 as a looper and purchasing one for him, i went to one of his first solo-performances, where he educated the audience re: looping at the beginning of his performance; i found that, for me, some of the potential for 'magic' in the performance -ie, my ability to get 'lost'/transformed by the music- was obviated by the more pedantic and pedagogic aspects that the act-of-explication had wrought)..... but --- while for us the *process* of looping may be important, why would that process be important to a listening audience? --- unless, of course, that audience is comprised primarily of musicians..... which is another story, altogether. >This has been my experience in live situations, where, as Steve said, they might >believe there are "canned" parts...or sequences etc. yes, whether there are 'canned' parts, or not. OTOH, see: madonna's 'drowned world' tour, or any NiN show: nobody seems to *know* nor *care* that it's 'canned'..... >To counter that, >I try >to throw a few glitches into my performance....to keep it from being in >any >way perfect (which for me is never really a serious threat :-0) and, alternatively: i've always thought that a more visually correspondent way of manipulating loops might help the audience-disconnect factor, a bit..... >hmmm..I was just listening to some live tracks from the solo bass looping >tour this summer, and maybe I took that concept to an extreme! >By "walking the audience" thru the whole looping process, you somehow >involve them in what is happening, and at that point...you have 'em! again..... and this is certainly just my personal preference: i'm always hoping for some kind of ineffable transformation to take place in the process of performance, both for me and for the audience..... at least, something more subtle than what might otherwise occur as a result of the addition of whatall might be construed as a 'lecture'..... >I tend to look at looping, and the tools thereof, as instruments themselves truth! >(albeit instruments which require an external sound device). unless, of course, you're just patching the output back to the input..... >I try not >to recreate other works, or make myself sound exactly the same gig after gig, >night after night. I suppose that now with the Repeater and it's memory> >functions, mainaining loops and sequences can be part of the looping >show...and this is fine, but I rather enjoy stretching the limitations >of >both the player and the gear. ..... which doesn't define a mutually exclusive situation, i think..... >Looping greatly benefits the improvisatory >nature of music, digya. >and as such, the "looping" part of your performance is >as just evolving, and involving, as your instrumental "chops". for a committed looper, they *are* part & parcel of your instrumental 'chops': just a different instrument! >I try to work >this into each of my looping gigs. digya! >I also am quite fond of adapting compostional approaches to the looping >environment. Rather than trying to, say, make an ABBA type structure with >multiple loops, I try to adapt or make a variation of my compositon to >include it in a looping system. Often times this means shifting the harmony >over a static rhythm loop, or shifteing the melody over a static harmony.. here, too..... not to mention purposefully glitching the 'composition', *and* its expected form..... >or tapping out and starting over incorporating both ideas! >Of, course, using loops in a live setting is gonna be hazardous. thankfully! bring on the dangers..... >The foot-pedal ballet thing is sometimes mind-numbing in its own right, but >add >to that the horror of "the bad loop"! What I try (really I do TRY) to >do is incorporate all these snafus, glitches, clams, and train-wrecks into the >performance, just as you use what talents and chops you have to cover those >same kind of faux pas "sans loops". again: digya. >Incidentally, when Steve spoke of >leaving (and encouraging) the audience to do what ever suits their fancy, >it >reminded me of a solo gig I did a few weeks ago where there were folks >listening intentively, others in various conversations, and others eating >(complete with clanging glasses and silverware), all coupled with the (now >mandatory) cappucino machine ahhh, i love that sound..... >blaring off every few moments (not to mention >the cafe was near the train tracks!!). So I improvised a piece which used >all of these elements in it. There were but a privilaged few in attendence >who "got it", like, those who were actually listening continuously? >but I made sure to thank everyone who contributed their "part" >to the piece. Was the piece filled with blatant mistakes? Sure..timing >errors see dangelo's cd, voodoo..... track #2. >(mostly on the part of the audience or espresso machine :-o)), ha! >bad notes, etc., but using a DL4 allowed me to flip those around, or change >speeds..... >well you get the picture. >by the way, I too am a professional musician....I actually make my living >doing this! In that way I am very blessed, as I get to make a living from >what I love to do most. >whew! a little more than just $.02..but what the heck! thanks for all that! best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 20:17:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16162; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:49:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c190ca$a14c24c0$6e0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #249 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:40:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #249 December 27, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a band from near-by Quakertown. Influenced by the likes of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze, and Pink Floyd, Orbital Decay makes electronic space music with the improvisational qualities and the energy of fusion styles from the 70s. As a special holiday treat, Orbital Decay will performed a live, in-studio, on-air concert, preempting the Featured CD at Midnight. It was also the debut of Tim Richardson as the band's guitarist. The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Conrad Schnitzler & Gen Ken Montgomery. Orbital Decay http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Conrad Schnitzler & Cold Blacksmith CON GEN (Generations Unlimited) Gen Ken Montgomery Free System Projekt & Billy's Island Okefenokee Dreams (Groove) Dave Brewer AirSculpture Bock Quark Soup (Neu Harmony) Something Completely Microwaves 1999 Promo Disc 1 (none) Different Dean DeBenedictis Imminent Core A Lone Reply (Fateless) Numina Opening to Beyond Evolving Visions (none) Stephen Philips & Cave of the Wind * Cave of the Wind (Dark Duck) Isomorph 12:00 am Orbital Decay live, in-studio, on-air concert 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Mathias Grassow. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Robert Schroder. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 21:14:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19904; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:50:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c190d3$1925ee60$6e0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for December 2001 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:40:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for December, 2001. Shows #246 to #249; 6-December-2001 to 27-December-2001 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/ ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ AirSculpture - Quark Soup - Neu Harmony Cyber Zen Sound Engine & Matt Borghi - Intercepted Transmissions - N-Light-N Dean DeBenedictis - A Lone Reply - Fateless Free System Projekt & Dave Brewer - Okefenokee Dreams - Groove Geodesium - Stellar Collections - Loch Ness Productions James Johnson & Robert Scott Thompson - Forgotten Places - Zero Music & Aucourant Records John Rose - Cosmogenesis - SpaceForMusic Kubusschnitt - The Singularity - Neu Harmony Orbital Decay - Drastic Park - none Orbital Decay - Orbital Decay - none Orbital Decay - Re-Entry - none Radio Massacre International - Planet in the Wires - Northern Echo Recordings Robert Rich - Bestiary - Relapse/Release Something Completely Different - Promo Disc 1 - none Stephen Philips & Isomorph - Cave of the Wind - Dark Duck Tales - The Seskian Wars - SIT Records Various Artists - Beyond Me - Neu Harmony Various Artists - Track Across the Universe - none vidnaObmana - Tremor - Relapse/Release Vir Unis & James Johnson - Perimeter - Zero Music & In the Bubble Music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 02:38:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04426; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:12:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:12:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2EBC3F.DFC4888E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:03:26 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms References: <166.65cf073.295fbb67@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0uJhoB.A.m-.AzrL8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max Valentino spake: > >Believe it or not, most audiences > >DO want to be challenged, whether they are cognizent of this or not. and David Torn did quip: > i'm not so sure about that. > these days, it seems there's been a kinf of amplified resistance towards > 'challenge/surprise', in the ongoing musical balancing act 'twixt that half > of the equation & the other: that of 'fulfilling expectations'. I'm wondering if either Max or David (both of you, ideally) could expand on these respective points of view. Because I'm curious as to any specific experiences you might have had which would have led to the formation of your current points of view. Max: Are there specific venues/types of gigs/types of audiences that you've found to be surprisingly open (or opposed) to doing your thing? (I'm also really curious as to venues you like for doing a solo live looping thing, here in LA...) David: Would you say that some of the feedback to the Splattercell material has impacted your feelings regarding the percieved resistance to challenge or surprise? I'm thinking specifically of fusion and prog fans who might have been expecting another "David Torn album of burning guitar playing"? Or maybe some people in the dj/dance world who might look dubiously upon a schooled instrumentalist (let alone an electric guitarist) trying to make a contribution to "their" sphere of music? > OTOH, see: madonna's 'drowned world' tour, or > any NiN show: > nobody seems to *know* nor *care* that it's 'canned'..... In both of these cases, I think a big part of the equation is that both of these shows are very, very theatrical presentations, by celebrities with significant cults of personality. So the finer points of what's live and what's prerecorded aren't at the forefront of the audience's minds; it's more a question of the overall spectacle of the thing, of which the music is but one part. Max says: > >By "walking the audience" thru the whole looping process, you somehow > >involve them in what is happening, and at that point...you have 'em! DT says: > i'm always hoping for some kind of ineffable transformation to take place in > the process of performance, both for me and for the audience..... at least, > something more subtle than what might otherwise occur as a result of the > addition of whatall might be construed as a 'lecture'..... and also says: > but --- while for us the *process* of looping may be important, why would > that process be important to a listening audience? --- unless, of course, > that audience is comprised primarily of musicians..... which is another > story, altogether. My thought on this (and I'm probably opening a hell of a can of worms here): I honestly feel that too much importance is placed on the mechanics and craft of real-time looping by many of the musicians who use those tools. Here's an older quote from David: "Looping isn't an effect: it's your playing, only more of it." Mull that over for a second. YOUR playing. It's interesting to compare notes on our various experiences with the real-time loop thing, but ultimately I think any such discussion HAS to take into account the skill and the musicality of whoever (and whatever) is getting looped in the first place. That's something that can't be reduced to a genre of music, a style of audience interaction, a performance venue, or a specific piece of gear. It's my feeling that, ultimately, the music in and of itself needs to have a certain fundamental strength to it, REGARDLESS of the presence or absence of clever or unusual methodology. If the intrinsic interest or value of a musical performance rests SOLELY in the fact that it's employing real-time looping... then I think that's a pretty dubious foundation. I've heard a lot of live looping that would be pretty unremarkable if it wasn't for the fact that it was happenig in real time. And even then, it's been about 30 years since the first Fripp and Eno record helped usher that approach into the "popular consciousness" (and longer still since Terry Riley and others started gigging with the stuff in public), or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mitchell gigs. Sampling a phrase live and playing over it isn't exactly state of the art anymore, and although a looping performer can often still get away with the "wow, I've never seen that!" effect on an unsuspecting audience, there HAS to be more to it then just the novelty of looping if you want to bring them further along, into the realm of having a serious musical experience. This is NOT a criticism of Max's "lecture" approach, because clearly it works for him. But I have to assume that a big part of the appeal of his live show, and a big part of what makes it work, involves Max's playing in and of itself, apart from the lecture factor. Because (aside from his having a great reputation) I'm simply not convinced that showing the audience the mechanics of the thing, in and of itself, is enough to bring them along every time. Same thing with Steve Lawson; a number of his tunes are very straightforward in terms of "looping technique," but it doesn't matter, because his playing is so strong and musical, and he uses the technology in a way that augments and extends the foundation of his playing, far beyond simply being "clever" or "interesting" to an unfamiliar listener. And I think it's the same thing, ironically enough, with someone like Torn, who uses a much more elaborate approach, both in terms of the amount of gear and in terms of how far the gear is being "pushed". But he KNOWS that gear, and knows how to "play" it in a very musical manner. (Of course, his being one serious mo-fo of a guitarist means that any looping of said guitar will be off to a good start to begin with.) On the other hand, a mediocre musician can plug into the most hardcore looping gear on Earth, and give the most entertaining, insightful introduction to the audience, but that alone isn't going to make them sound any less mediocre. If anything, it'll probably compound that mediocrity with every successive overdub! An unusual or esoteric approach (i.e. looping) might lure a listener's curiosity, but it's a solid, innate, consistent musicality that will hold that listener and reward their curiosity. Whether that musicality takes the form of playing a bass guitar or tweaking the LFO rate on the fifth effects processor in a rack shouldn't matter. True, not every audience is going to be equally receptive to every type of music. Play an ambient drone back to back with a James Brown tune, and you will probably get a "stronger," more "immediate" reaction from people with the latter selection. But that doesn't mean that people can't hear the former one. And it doesn't mean that a good ambient act can't clean the floor with a bad funk band. And sure, there's a hurdle to be overcome in learning how to coordinate every additional piece of hardware on stage, and how to integrate that hardware into a graceful musical (and visual) presentation on stage. But is that really so much different than an organist pulling different stops, or a turntablist rummaging through the crate and changing records mid-set, or a percussionist switching to a different instrument, or a keyboardist switching to a different synth and scrolling through patches? Anyway... Hopefully some of this makes some sort of sense to someone. Maybe I'm overly idealistic about this. I'm sure being on day 3 of caffeine withdrawl has something to do with it too... Best wishes, folks. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 11:32:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02283; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:08:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:08:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200112301601.LAA09097@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:12:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms In-Reply-To: <3C2EBC3F.DFC4888E@altruistmusic.com> References: <166.65cf073.295fbb67@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In response to the questiones mentioned below regarding audience expectations and their willingness to be 'led by the nose' I'd like to contribute a few thoughts based on my experience. >Max Valentino spake: >> >Believe it or not, most audiences >> >DO want to be challenged, whether they are cognizent of this or not. >and David Torn did quip: >> i'm not so sure about that. >> these days, it seems there's been a kinf of amplified resistance towards >> 'challenge/surprise', in the ongoing musical balancing act 'twixt that half >> of the equation & the other: that of 'fulfilling expectations'. >I'm wondering if either Max or David (both of you, ideally) could expand >on these respective points of view. Because I'm curious as to any >specific experiences you might have had which would have led to the >formation of your current points of view. My background: I am in a band/duo that plays a dark, ethereal type of music. We have vocals (Cheryl, the vocalist, uses a JamMan and samples parts of her singing to sing countermelodies to them and also loops and layers them inplaces) wire strung harp and electric bass (all cheryl's domain) and I do the VG8 guitars using JamMan and Echoplex. The material consits of songs and pieces, the presentation is gothy and artsy and is done primarily in clubs. We are also part of a masked theater group where we do similar types of music combined with whatever other music works within the parameters of the presentation (folksongs, rhythmic bits. etc.) In the club world I find that people who are not musicians don't really care how you do what you do unless they're trying to talk to you after the set. Then they usually say they noticed they heard more music than they thought we'd produce as just two people. But mostly, they seem to be trying to say things they think we want to hear. It reminds me of what I used to hear in the 80s. At that point, PAs and house soundmen were the big concern. Everyone would comment on the house sound, thinking that was what we wanted to hear them talk about. Very few at that time said much about the performance unless asked directly. So, I'd rather focus on the performance and getting the music across to people. Cheryl is really concerned with letting people know that what we do is all live and that we don't have any prerecorded samples we activate. She is usally bummed out that she forgot to say that during the set and my response is always. 'Good. Lecturing the audience on what makes us 'different' makes us look like we think we're better than everyone else rather than different. Please keep forgetting to do that'. The audience doesn't care to be told from the stage what they're getting. It ruins the appreciation of what they're actually getting which is the experience of the music. After the set, we can tell them whatever we want to, and if they're really interested, they'll ask. That's the time to let them know it's all live, done with this or that device, etc. etc. etc. We have a small, but dedicated crowd for our material. They've heard the raps before and they listen for the most part when we play. But they're also there to have a good time, so they'll talk to each other and order drinks and generally socialize. I think this is important, as they're not there to pay rapt attention to every note etc, nor are they there to learn anything. If they do either, good for them. If they just have a good time, good for them. The theater stuff is a little different, as the guy who heads up the company (the master maskmaker) always does a talk/lecture/Q&A session after the end of the performance. Talking to some members of the audience days later, I found that his approach, though interesting, makes a night out to see a performance feel like attending a class. Many of the peopple I know who came to see the plays felt obliged to stay and be 'taught'. They all said they did learn things and it was interesting, but they all seemed to feel it wasn't what they went for and felt somewhat uncomfortable with. Most said things like, "I enjoyed it, but my friends wouldn't want to stick around for somehting like that, so I'd never bring them". So, setting and expectation matter. If the audience is able to see any part of this as entertainment, they tend to focus on that aspect when they discuss it later (at least with me). For the record, we both appreciate that, and are not the 'hide in the shadows' type of performers. We both dress and act the part while onstage. I can count the number of people on one hand who said to me "I went to hear.....last night." They almost all say "I went to see...". So my comments come from the school of thought that you can d a lot to put the music across by your presence and awareness of you as a performer does not necessarily inhibit the audiences ability to 'get it'. >My thought on this (and I'm probably opening a hell of a can of worms here): >I honestly feel that too much importance is placed on the mechanics and >craft of real-time looping by many of the musicians who use those tools. I wholehearted agree. As musicians, we are enamoured of our craft and its tools. They don't call us gear heads and accuse of 'tech-talk' for no reason. We need to keep that element of who we are in proper perspective (which varies from person to person and situation to situation). >It's interesting to compare notes on our various experiences with the >real-time loop thing, but ultimately I think any such discussion HAS to >take into account the skill and the musicality of whoever (and whatever) >is getting looped in the first place. Again, I agree. When we write, there are lots of cool loops we create. We don't use them all, as we have a vision for the band and its sound (music from dreams and nightmares, if anyone cares) and looping is just one approach to achieve it. The wire strung harp is another. Bass and straight electric guitar is another choice. The end product is the music and it has to work on its own, not because of some aspect of the technology that helped birth it. >It's my feeling that, ultimately, the music in and of itself needs to >have a certain fundamental strength to it, REGARDLESS of the presence or >absence of clever or unusual methodology. AMEN to that. Frank Gerace Dreamchild www.dreamchildmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 12:13:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03801; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:49:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: gig spam - another Steve Lawson gig added in CA... Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:43:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <421eS.A.U4.QQ0L8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a better link: http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/calendar/index.cfm --Still gotta search a little, but it's 8 PM in the Alterknit Lounge . . . Best of luck to Steve, a very musical guy! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 12:31:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05616; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c19153$7656d600$0201a8c0@stephen> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <166.65cf073.295fbb67@aol.com> <200112301601.LAA09097@user1.channel1.com> Subject: As NYE approaches, a good sign for Loopers? Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:00:17 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A large solar flare was observed just on the 28th, which although directed away from the Earth was noticeable because of it's "long-duration and high x-ray energy output". However, the LD-related part is this: The flare was in a formation on its own showing itself as a "rising arcade of hot loops known as a loop prominence system." The individual photos of this may be found at http://www.spacew.com/astroalert.html - and they are indeed loops! So perhaps from a faux-cosmological aspect, it could be said that the Sun's given its relative blessing upon loopers and looping music? Okay, it's a stretch, but a fun one. Check it out. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 12:37:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05829; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:13:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <117.a320245.2960a367@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:05:43 EST Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow.....what a great bunch of thoughts and ideas.....im glad i didnt give up coffee!.....thanks all.....keep it comin.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 12:51:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06464; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <37.206c3a40.2960a6c0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:20:00 EST Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 12/30/01 8:02:30 AM, seahorse@channel1.com writes: >I am in a band/duo that plays a dark, ethereal type of music. We have >vocals (Cheryl, the vocalist, uses a JamMan and samples parts of her >singing to sing countermelodies to them and also loops and layers them >in places) wire strung harp and electric bass (all Cheryl's domain) and I >do the VG8 guitars using JamMan and Echoplex. The material consist of >songs and pieces, the presentation is gothy and artsy and is done primarily >in clubs. And they have a very nice CD out as well. Frank was kind enough to trade discs with me a few months back and it has been one that I have enjoyed listening to (and puzzling over..."Gee, how'd they do THAT?") ever since -- even though it's of a particular genre that would normally fall way outside of my own "habitual" areas of interest, I was glad to have been introduced to their music. It's very unusual and inventive. I think their website is at: www.dreamchildmusic.com I guess this is just another way of saying "thanks" again for offering the exchange Frank. Best, T. Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 14:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12505; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:01:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:01:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <31.20396d49.2960bbec@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:50:20 EST Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: <7emCV.A.SpC.2H2L8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having not looped out live for over 5 years now I can't say I miss the experience at all.The sad fact is that audiences (small,large,paying, nonpaying,adoring,hateful,etc.) are made up of humans that for the most part are used to a "non-real time" life experience being the norm for them in the modern world. Whether it's their food or choice of art,etc. it's just the nature of how capable they are of "being here now" in the midst of all this. For music particularly the truth of the matter is that if people are uncomfortable at all with the listening experience it translates into dislike of the artists work rather than a call to explore some evolution of thought on part of the listener.After all..particularly if you paid money for the artwork in question shouldn't it be something you'll like or enjoy, even if you have to take it to the extreme of say Bill Murray's character in "Little Shop of Horrors", enjoying the truly unenjoyable as it where?:^) The perils and consequent musical thrills available from looping are as present for me in my basement as they have ever been in any "live performance" situation I've encountered...minus of course driving, parking, and the increased chance of having my gear stolen/damaged/etc. I've played in configuarations from duos to 18 member ensembles and looping still does the most for me in a musical sense. Money? I work in an industrial laundry for that, no need to pimp out the best "personal truth through art" I can experience..... for a buck. My -2 cents worth.....happy new year. bryan helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 15:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14333; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:44:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:44:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:19:34 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Fwd: soundscape journal X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:56:23 +0100 >From: Rahma Khazam >Subject: Please post this message on your list >Sender: owner-cecdiscuss@concordia.ca >To: acoustic-ecology@sfu.ca, cecdiscuss@concordia.ca, > SOUNDSCAPEUK@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, sonicartsnet@sheffield.ac.uk >Reply-to: cecdiscuss@concordia.ca > >OUT NOW !!! > EARSHOT NO.2 >the journal of the UK and Ireland Soundscape Community >featuring contributions from R. Murray Schafer, >Heidi Grundmann, Bart Plantenga, Josephine Bosma >and many more > > >OUT SOON !!! > EARSHOT NO. 3 >Sound and Architecture > > > > >Keeping track of soundscape issues > >UKISC - UK and Ireland >Soundscape Community > >earminded@ecosse.net -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 16:24:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20125; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:59:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:59:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Canned hell for worms (also gig spam) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:51:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <31.20396d49.2960bbec@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopbozo@aol.com wrote on Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:50 AM experience at all.The sad fact is that audiences (small,large,paying, >nonpaying,adoring,hateful,etc.)are made up of humans that for the most part are used to a "non-real time" >life experience being the norm for them in the modern world. Yeah--like I said to Carl at Cakewalk, it's tough to compete with a sequencer. For that reason, I have decided to bring along 40 songs sequenced on an MP3 player to satisfy the need for a fuller sound to my New Year's gig (phone number 858-486-0764; no cover), but I still plan to forgo computer backup and try to make the looper carry to brunt of my backup needs. And that is what I want. I want these tools to help me in my attempt to entertain. Not everybody is as fascinated with delays and instrumental music as I have become in my musical journey (my sweetheart says, "Not everybody likes repetition"), but they all want to be entertained. So I will do the best job of that I can with the tools available to me tomorrow night. The flyer for my gig doesn't say "looping", or even "one man band", so all they expect is live music (it does say, "50's, Rock, Popular and folk", so they can expect that). The backup is for me, not them--they don't care about the music (as such), but more about having a good time. My job is to have a good time with them (as MC) and provide a soundtrack for that experience. In this case, it's gonna be acoustic guitar, vocal and drum machine. We'll see if they notice the Echoplex. And for those of you who can make it, be advised that the "buffet" is actually a potluck, starting at 7 PM, so bring a "canned" loop dish (Spaghetti-O's?) 8^/ Respect, Gary PS AN-DRE! AN-DRE! AN-DRE! AN-DRE! AN-DRE! AN-DRE! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 16:28:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20286; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:02:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:02:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.182.193.2] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:44:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2001 20:44:17.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFC061C0:01C19172] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've >played in configuarations from duos to 18 member ensembles and looping >still >does the most >for me in a musical sense. Money? I work in an industrial laundry for that, >no need to >pimp out the best "personal truth through art" I can experience..... for a >buck. > >My -2 cents worth.....happy new year. > > bryan helm > I'm one of those "amateurs by choice" - my day job affords me the liberty and resources (if not all the time I would like) to practice my art :-) without burdening it with the weight of responsibility to provide a source of income. As such, most of my looping is enjoyed by an audience of me. I'm fortunate also to be in a band that is quite appreciative of my loopiness, and has embraced it as an element of our overall sound and approach to improvisation as well as composition. Only in select instances do we play anything entirely dependent on looping. This unburdens the looping per se even further, providing me an outlet yet avoiding my having to stave my emotional involvement with it on an audience's response (a vulnerable spot to put oneself in anyway, as evident in the posting that got this thread started... hmmm, hard to tell which one that was). I admit I sometimes envy those professionals (used in a strict sense, not blowing on cinders here;-) for having been fortunate to pursue a life calling, that is, without the duality inherent in a dayjob/ passionate hobby arrangement. But then again, there's admittedly a lot of dualities to be dealt with in a professional musician's life, and I did start off by counting blessings here... I just wanted to say I've been thoroughly enjoying the past few days of spending a little more time listening in on a few truly wonderful discussions here, with real insights, observations, wisdom and experience being so gracefully shared. Loopers' Delight is to me a joy to be a part of and an example for any public forum. (Again with the counting of blessings..;-) Best wishes to all for a happy, healthy, humanly safe and musically adventurous 2002. Nic _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 17:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24011; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:12:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:12:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C2F8FDF.BB767892@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:09:14 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: As NYE approaches, a good sign for Loopers? References: <166.65cf073.295fbb67@aol.com> <200112301601.LAA09097@user1.channel1.com> <002301c19153$7656d600$0201a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > A large solar flare was observed just on the 28th, which although directed > away from the Earth was noticeable because of it's "long-duration and high > x-ray energy output". However, the LD-related part is this: The flare was > in a formation on its own showing itself as a "rising arcade of hot loops > known as a loop prominence system." The individual photos of this may be > found at http://www.spacew.com/astroalert.html - and they are indeed loops! > ... whoa awesome solar loopiness. makes one feel rather, er, small and insignificant... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 21:34:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06469; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Gig Spam--No Starr on Ztar on NYE Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:54:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37.206c3a40.2960a6c0@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is to alert anyone who was planning on coming to my New Year's Eve gig in Poway to see Harvey Starr sit in on Ztar--he has informed me that social commitments are preventing him from attending. However, I do look forward to the opportunity to jam it on out with him, and should anything come of that (gigs, etc) I will be sure to post to the list. Incidentally, he updated my instrument (new motherboard) so now none of the sysx will load--gotta reprogram all my patches, including my Echoplex control setup. It worked really well before, however--controlling the EDP from the synth side using note on info, then recording electric guitar (it's a doubleneck) and/or synth stuff (bass, drums, pads, whatever). Ciao, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 22:42:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09778; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:01:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:01:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <036901c191a6$357a7120$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "skincage" From: "skincage" To: References: Subject: nye in nyc (gig spam) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:52:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi loopers, anyone who's going to be in nyc tomorrow night is welcome to come say hi. i'll be looping noise with repeater, mo-fx, casio sk-1, headrush (maybe), feedback, and whatever else develops. if interested, see http://aex.org/nye/ for details. thanks! jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 23:45:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13800; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:20:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011231041236.47003.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:12:36 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200112302128.QAA21372@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_oJCU.A.RTD.2W-L8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com been thinking about some of the relevant issues in this thread in the last couple of days... this weekend was very important for me because it was the first time i played out w/ looping gear and whatnot. stage fright is something that plagued me most of my life until suddenly it just disappeared about 3 months ago. i was invited to play at a party where a bunch of people would be jamming and maybe a few people would show up and listen...a few people turned out to be about 100! had i previous knowledge that i would be putting myself on display in front of all these people i would probably have flipped out, but i was so caught up in playing that i hardly noticed the number swell, and once i did notice i was glad they were all there. as we know, when yer looping in public you always run extreme risk of fucking up in front of people, and that always scared the hell out of me before. but i had never felt more comfortable playing in front of people. this was largely to do with the fact that i really "know my gear" and am comfortable actually performing upon it, and i suppose there was a subconcious realization that the fact that i was doing something different freed me from many audience expectations. when we first started playing the other musicians were quite intriqued by what i was doing, and i'm finding quickly that fellow musicians are much more interested in how sounds are being created, and much quicker to judge the validity of such. most were very excited when i showed them the processing i was using, but i did have one fellow tell me that i was losing all the soul in my music by letting all this gear taint it. btw: i was running through a boss ds1, dd5, a DOD d12 (w/fs300), and a boss rps-10. i chose to leave the boomerang at home because i rely on it heavily and wanted the challenge of interacting with my other gear without the 'rang. i'll admit i was somewhat put off by the fellow dissing my use of gear. i understand what he means, but gear is not neccesarily automated. as we have been saying, one key to making this exciting is the level of interaction that many of us have with our gear, literally performing upon it. once the crowd showed up, i don't think most were actually aware that i was playing guitar, or that the ambient loops were coming from me. there were 2 djs playing along side and i was in full ambient/noise mode. but once the djs took a break i played for about 45 minutes on my own w/ more melody and structure and plenty of people seemed very intrigued by the sounds and the looping. at least 7-8 people came up to ask how i was "doing that" and looked over my gear w/ plenty of curiosity. pretty sure most of these people were not musicians. i knew i was going to be playing with a bunch of classic rock guys and went in with the express purpose of disturbing them. but i was thrilled that most were really into it, with the one exception. however, when i unplugged/plugged my guitar back in and looped the explosive crackle of such, and then proceed to manipulate this into a very ugly, noisy rythm loop, they just told me to "stop...now...please...". thought that was pretty funny, even though i really liked the loop. in summation: i've known for a good while now that i get extreme satisfaction from interacting with gear as instruments themselves, and the people who sat close and watched me do so as they listened to the changes seem to really enjoy both aspects of the process. 2: musicians are much more critical of process than non-musician audiences. some want to moralize the process, and when you put your intellect and heart into this, it sucks to hear that. thanks for reading all this if ya did. it matters to me that we have this lovely little community of loopers, and this performance (even if it was just at a party) was a watershed fer me, and i felt it deserved sharing here. peace, happy new year, hope yer all blessed, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 00:12:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14859; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.205.239.17] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 04:39:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2001 04:39:34.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[25530370:01C191B5] Resent-Message-ID: <9RoGED.A.XjD.lw-L8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow...all I can really say is thanks to both dt and Andre for the in-depth responses. One thing, and there are many, I really love about LD is threads like this where we can freely exchange ideas and see how others interpret this form inwhich we work. Now onto the points: David, I surely recognize your point: >> > > i'm not so sure about that. > > these days, it seems there's been a kinf of amplified resistance towards > > 'challenge/surprise', in the ongoing musical balancing act 'twixt that >half > > of the equation & the other: that of 'fulfilling expectations'. and I have experienced the same. But it has been my greater experience that the audiences which I play to almost need to be challenged and taken to some new listening experience. Granted, my core audience is different and most likely smaller than yours, but I have found this to be true. When I first started doing loop shows, I was using a drum machine to handle the rhythmic sequences. I later added a 2nd drum machine and wonderful sequenced polyrhythms to put my loopage against. My set was made of some solo bass/loopings stuff and then some more "complex" things using the drum machines. I found that during the solo bass/looping part of the show the audience was rapt in attention. Perhaps part of this was a "what the heck is he doing?" interest...but an interest nonetheless. Once the drum machines kicked in about 80% of the audience was lost.....they went to sundry conversations, to fetch beverage...or just up and left completely. This perplexed me for some time. Seeking higher consul, I learned of a general distrust in our audiences for the technological aspects of what we do. Say what you want about the Madonna tour or NiN, but I think a large number of those audiences really do not, nor want to, know about the acres of technology necessary to bring those (same, repeated) shows off night after night. My own looping shows are MUCH smaller, and more intimate...as is probably the case for most of us on LD. In that case in it much more difficult to hide the technology of our process. What I try to do is bring some humanity to that technology. I did not mean to imply that, by explaining or bringing the audience to the looping event, the gig should become a lecture or clinic on looping techniques, but to merely help point out to an audience who might be already wary of flashing blinking lights, that these are tools which impart, or can impart, a level of humanity into a complex musical equation. This might be by making a blunder...an obvious train wreck and then taking the audience thru the fast track explanation of what's going on...not going too deep, just enough to let them know that the looper-box is really just a tool (read:extension) of the musician using it. Which brings us to Andre's tale of the mediocre musican and the ultimate rig. I have always believed that is not the gear you use, but how youuse it. Our creativity, and our abilities and talents on our chosen instruments govern the depth ( emotional, spiritual, intellectual etc.) of our artistic expressions. We all get GAS, sure...but in the end isn't it better to keep it simple? There might be a line of thought for the person who atarted this thread (Newbie)...keep it simple. By the way, I dropped the drum machines from my set-up, and now play the percussive parts on my bass, into my JamMan, and take it from there. Audiences love that! They get to witness someone mangling a bass (aligator clips, chopsticks , mutes etc.) and getting some wonderfully crazy sounds out it! Certainly I have could have continued using sequences, but the directness of inviting the audience to witness, and sometimes take part in, the creative cycle greatly enhances my performance. > >Max: Are there specific venues/types of gigs/types of audiences that >you've found to be surprisingly open (or opposed) to doing your thing? >(I'm also really curious as to venues you like for doing a solo live >looping thing, here in LA...) Andre--- I haven't yet ventured too much into LA Propper (as if there is such a place), as a solo player yet. Have done shows in the Valley, Santa Clarita, Lancaster and Bakersfield. Pretty much coffee houses, Art Galleries, Restaurant/cafes...and the crafts show/fair thing, which is really very nice. In thisenvironment, the intimacy I was speaking of really goes to the fore. So much so that one of my "tricks" of late has been to ask the audience to submit some chords ("pick a letter between A and G..."), which then I throw together into a progression and begin an improvisation with loops. Of course, someone alwys seems to call out "C#minor"...but then I know there's a musician in the house. One thing I would like to bring out now is that all this chat has been in regard to "solo" looping. I do a lot of this, but one thing it has enlightened me to is how much I miss the interaction with other musicans. On the Solo Bass Looping Tour this summer, Rick Walker, Steve Lawson, and Michael Manring all played, as a trio, with their JamMan's all sync'd via MIDI. That's three or four loopers at once, and to throw it all sideways Rick and Steve had DL4s (Steve even borrowed mine one night to use TWO DL4s) running non-sync'd! To see and hear that (and it was all improvised) was a mind-blowing experience. A brilliant exhibition of the musicians' skills (namely: restraint!!)...and some wonderful, magical music. Are there others out there on this list who work with multiple loopers (that's players, not machines)? This has been a great thread.....very inspiring as I am in the moment of some introspection regarding my own work and approaches...... Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 02:42:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23598; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.73.79] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:( 'nother Newbie Question) Thanks! Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:08:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2001 07:08:45.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC7BA460:01C191C9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listers, A tremendous "Thankyou!" to everyone who has responded and/or replied to my and other people's Newbie questions. I've been amazed at the depth of people's observations about loop- ing and the live "experience". I'm really looking forward to 2002 and diving into the looping deep end. Best Wishes and Good Luck to you all in 2002! Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 04:14:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29660; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:50:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:50:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:43:25 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006801c191d7$362e88a0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20011231041236.47003.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 2: musicians are much more critical of process than non-musician audiences. some want to moralize the process, and when you put your intellect and heart into this, it sucks to hear that. It's really amusing when someone compliments you on your tone, technique, content etc. Then takes a look at your gear and says you need a tube amp, and to get rid of all the rack stuff to clear up your sound... (I've been mostly direct inject into a rack/mixer/power amp affair into full-range speakers for years... I just recently returned to a simple pedalboard/amp setup out of laziness.) I'm kinda with DT and Frank Gerace on this... I like a performance to be taken at face value. I don't like to talk about the tech stuff until maybe after the set. At that point, they may be sorry they asked! 8-) Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 10:36:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18804; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:12:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:12:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <123.96c11c5.2961d886@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:04:38 EST Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA18488 Resent-Message-ID: <1u-GFD.A.HhE.O6HM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andré writes: >Max Valentino spake: >> >Believe it or not, most audiences >> >DO want to be challenged, whether they are cognizent of this or not. >and David Torn did quip: >> i'm not so sure about that. >> these days, it seems there's been a kinf of amplified resistance towards >> 'challenge/surprise', in the ongoing musical balancing act 'twixt that >half >> of the equation & the other: that of 'fulfilling expectations'. >I'm wondering if either Max or David (both of you, ideally) could expand >on these respective points of view. Because I'm curious as to any >specific experiences you might have had which would have led to the >formation of your current points of view. no, my response is just the 'feeling' that i get..... esp. as i haven't *played* too many live-gigs, this past year..... (which, btw, i may change in 2002)..... >David: Would you say that some of the feedback to the Splattercell >material has impacted your feelings regarding the percieved resistance >to challenge or surprise? I'm thinking specifically of fusion and prog >fans who might have been expecting another "David Torn album of burning >guitar playing"? maybe just a little bit; though, to be fair, i did expect some of that type-of-reaction from 'established fans'..... (as you know, the only real 'departure' for me ---vis-a-vis the splattercell mat'l--- was not musical, but merely the *name* change.....) >Or maybe some people in the dj/dance world who might >look dubiously upon a schooled instrumentalist (let alone an electric >guitarist) trying to make a contribution to "their" sphere of music? no; though most of the support comes primarily from less-commercial corners of that particular room, that segment has been relatively welcoming. >> OTOH, see: madonna's 'drowned world' tour, or >> any NiN show: >> nobody seems to *know* nor *care* that it's 'canned'..... >In both of these cases, I think a big part of the equation is that both >of these shows are very, very theatrical presentations, by celebrities >with significant cults of personality. So the finer points of what's >live and what's prerecorded aren't at the forefront of the audience's >minds; it's more a question of the overall spectacle of the thing, of >which the music is but one part. truth. nevertheless, the audience doesn't *care* to know how the music is achieved --- however the quality of the music's effect might be judged, *that* seems to be the audience's primary concern. >Max says: >> >By "walking the audience" thru the whole looping process, you somehow >> >involve them in what is happening, and at that point...you have 'em! >DT says: >> i'm always hoping for some kind of ineffable transformation to take >place in >> the process of performance, both for me and for the audience..... at >least, >> something more subtle than what might otherwise occur as a result of >the >> addition of whatall might be construed as a 'lecture'..... >and also says: >> but --- while for us the *process* of looping may be important, why would >> that process be important to a listening audience? --- unless, of course, >> that audience is comprised primarily of musicians..... which is another >> story, altogether. >My thought on this (and I'm probably opening a hell of a can of worms here): >I honestly feel that too much importance is placed on the mechanics and >craft of real-time looping by many of the musicians who use those tools. between us, here on LD, that's all fine w/me! but: in practice --- i'm more interested in the intention & content of the music. and: it kinda reminds me of the gtr-player gear/technique syndromes, which can be so very boring & stultifying..... >Here's an older quote from David: "Looping isn't an effect: it's your >playing, only more of it." i said that? good-o! *-) >Mull that over for a second. YOUR playing. >It's interesting to compare notes on our various experiences with the >real-time loop thing, but ultimately I think any such discussion HAS to >take into account the skill and the musicality of whoever (and whatever) >is getting looped in the first place. .....whichall is (or, should be, imo) very personal stuff..... >That's something that can't be reduced to a genre of music, a style of >audience interaction, a performance venue, or a specific piece of gear. digya. >It's my feeling that, ultimately, the music in and of itself needs to >have a certain fundamental strength to it, REGARDLESS of the presence or >absence of clever or unusual methodology. digya! >If the intrinsic interest or value of a musical performance rests SOLELY >in the fact that it's employing real-time looping... ..... or any other technique/methodology, for that matter..... >then I think that's >a pretty dubious foundation. ..... unless, of course, you (as a musician/performer/composer) are absorbing/rejecting that foundation to be incorporated/avoided as a tool for your own, eventual musical abuses..... which is to say that there still may be much value, there, of a specifically educational cast & hue..... >I've heard a lot of live looping that would be pretty unremarkable if it >wasn't for the fact that it was happenig in real time. And even then, >it's been about 30 years since the first Fripp and Eno record helped >usher that approach into the "popular consciousness" (and longer still >since Terry Riley and others started gigging with the stuff in public), >or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mitchell gigs. jaco did that? >Sampling a phrase live and playing over it isn't exactly state of the >art anymore, and although a looping performer can often still get away >with the "wow, I've never seen that!" effect on an unsuspecting >audience, there HAS to be more to it then just the novelty of looping if >you want to bring them further along, into the realm of having a serious >musical experience. yeah, albeit i'd say that -these days- it has become clearer to me that, as an element of performance & composition, i *am* interested in the audience hearing/feeling/sensing the technology & methodology of live-looping, certainly insofar as it might mirror my view of the inexorable & fracturing plasticity of 'things'..... >This is NOT a criticism of Max's "lecture" approach, because clearly it >works for him. But I have to assume that a big part of the appeal of >his live show, and a big part of what makes it work, involves Max's >playing in and of itself, apart from the lecture factor. Because (aside >from his having a great reputation) I'm simply not convinced that >showing the audience the mechanics of the thing, in and of itself, is >enough to bring them along every time. me, neither --- that may, also, have something to do w/max's obvious ability to *present*, and to the projection of his persona. >Same thing with Steve Lawson; a number of his tunes are very >straightforward in terms of "looping technique," but it doesn't matter, >because his playing is so strong and musical, and he uses the technology >in a way that augments and extends the foundation of his playing, far >beyond simply being "clever" or "interesting" to an unfamiliar listener. right! >And I think it's the same thing, ironically enough, with someone like >Torn, who uses a much more elaborate approach, both in terms of the >amount of gear huh? i use a 5-space rack, and a buncha pedals! maybe it's the 3 amps (and the miles of cable) that make it seem so elaborate..... *-) >and in terms of how far the gear is being "pushed". But >he KNOWS that gear, and knows how to "play" it in a very musical manner. > (Of course, his being one serious mo-fo of a guitarist means that any >looping of said guitar will be off to a good start to begin with.) thanks for that, a! >On the other hand, a mediocre musician can plug into the most hardcore >looping gear on Earth, and give the most entertaining, insightful >introduction to the audience, but that alone isn't going to make them >sound any less mediocre. If anything, it'll probably compound that >mediocrity with every successive overdub! right, though --- there's certainly no dearth of musicians-pursuing-and-perfecting-mediocrity, at the 'top' of their fields..... >An unusual or esoteric approach (i.e. looping) might lure a listener's >curiosity, but it's a solid, innate, consistent musicality that will >hold that listener and reward their curiosity. Whether that musicality >takes the form of playing a bass guitar or tweaking the LFO rate on the >fifth effects processor in a rack shouldn't matter. >True, not every audience is going to be equally receptive to every type >of music. Play an ambient drone back to back with a James Brown tune, >and you will probably get a "stronger," more "immediate" reaction from >people with the latter selection. But that doesn't mean that people >can't hear the former one. And it doesn't mean that a good ambient act >can't clean the floor with a bad funk band. currently, my floors are *somewhat* clean, already..... >And sure, there's a hurdle to be overcome in learning how to coordinate >every additional piece of hardware on stage, and how to integrate that >hardware into a graceful musical (and visual) presentation on stage. >But is that really so much different than an organist pulling different >stops, or a turntablist rummaging through the crate and changing records >mid-set, or a percussionist switching to a different instrument, or a >keyboardist switching to a different synth and scrolling through patches? no, it's not that different --- just a bit less 'tangible'..... >Anyway... >Hopefully some of this makes some sort of sense to someone. 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------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C191EA.CC76D840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 12:31:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26648; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:07:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011231115442.0081e8c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:54:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms In-Reply-To: <123.96c11c5.2961d886@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:04 AM 12/31/01 EST, dt wrote: >esp. as i haven't >*played* too many live-gigs, this past year..... (which, btw, i may change in >2002)..... Keep us posted! >>David: Would you say that some of the feedback to the Splattercell >>material has impacted your feelings regarding the percieved resistance >>to challenge or surprise? I'm thinking specifically of fusion and prog >>fans who might have been expecting another "David Torn album of burning >>guitar playing"? >maybe just a little bit; though, to be fair, i did expect some of that >type-of-reaction from 'established fans'..... Something that occurred to me when I read dt's response to Max was that it's not exactly a level playing field here. Most of the comments/perspectives offered in this thread have been either from less-recognised loopers who're trying to bring their music to a larger audience, or from more established musicians *not* known for looping who're trying to incorporate looping into their oeuvre. In either case, there's the element of unfamiliarity: an audience responding (or not) to a new face or perceiving a change in direction/philosophy/taste from someone they *thought* they knew. OTOH, someone like David Torn is much more of a known quantity, not in the sense that the *music* will be at all predictable, but due to the fact that he's built his reputation specifically on being a sonic adventurer, a crosser of stylistic boundaries and a consummate improvisor. DT's audience has learned to expect the unexpected; and as such, audience responses will naturally be very different than they would be for those of someone less associated with innovative genre-busting. Of course, it's taken him years of work to establish such a reputation, and it still doesn't guarantee immunity from people saying things like "Oh, why can't he do more stuff like 'Cloud About Mercury'?" (or Polytown or fill in the blank...), but chances are, someone who goes to a Torn performance (or purchases a recording, for that matter) has a pretty good idea of what they're in for. I found myself in agreement with BOTH Max's and DT's perspectives, as opposite as they may have seemed. >>Max says: >>> >By "walking the audience" thru the whole looping process, you somehow >>> >involve them in what is happening, and at that point...you have 'em! > >>DT says: >>> i'm always hoping for some kind of ineffable transformation to take >>place in >>> the process of performance, both for me and for the audience..... at >>least, >>> something more subtle than what might otherwise occur as a result of >>the >>> addition of whatall might be construed as a 'lecture'..... Like Miko, I'd have to side with DT and Frank Gerace on that one, although I can think of two specific exceptions: 1) I saw Adrian Belew right after he got his first EH-16 (early 80's 'Twang Bar King' tour), and he was so enthused about the thing, he gave an impromptu demonstration of what it could do, overtly building and reversing a loop, and then incorporating it into the next tune. and 2) a performance by Belgium's Logos Duo at last summer's Ought-1 festival which featured an instrument so unique that a demonstration/lecture approach was immently suitable and didn't seem at all didactic. (It was a large pyramid-shaped sensor array thing that responded to body movements; unlike a theremin it wasn't position-sensitive, but rather, velocity sensitive, and the performers were positioned *inside* the field. Without some sort of explanation it would have gone right over our heads, but the presentation was fascinating, both informative and entertaining.) >..... and i just finished my second dbl-espresso of the day..... Mmmm! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 13:01:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28438; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:37:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:37:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <6.21acae4c.2961fa83@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:29:39 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6.21acae4c.2961fa83_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <973nm.A.s0G.FCKM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6.21acae4c.2961fa83_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... "Best looper available easy to use"??? I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms... I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have completely killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it could not be synced to other looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never have said a word until this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure i will irritate several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where i look forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my rack that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false claims to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........ "Best looper available easy to use"??????????? Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use... I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price does sound like a great deal though:) kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_6.21acae4c.2961fa83_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...

"Best looper available easy to use"???

I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms...
I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have completely killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it could not be synced to other looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never have said a word until this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure i will irritate several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where i look forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my rack that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false claims to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........

"Best looper available easy to use"???????????

Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use...

I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price does sound like a great deal though:)

kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...


Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_6.21acae4c.2961fa83_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 13:39:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31812; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:15:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:15:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:06:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112311806.fBVI6AK21612@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA31176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are some of us who like Lo fi!! you donīt need to MIDI sync every piece of gear you own, not to mention that not every looper on this list has two grand to spend on expensive toys... I think that the Rang is a killer Looper. A+ At 12:29 p.m. 31/12/01 EST, you wrote: >kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- >AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase >sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. >15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email >kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... > >"Best looper available easy to use"??? > >I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms... >I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into >looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in >and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have completely >killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the boomerang is an >expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and >never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it >clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it >could not be synced to other looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never >have said a word until this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to >use"??? I'm sure i will irritate several individuals with my attack on the >boomerang, but this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where >i look forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a >claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my rack >that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false claims >to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very >cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........ > >"Best looper available easy to use"??????????? > >Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use... > >I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i tried >expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... so to >not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price does >sound like a great deal though:) > >kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- >AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase >sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. >$350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call >610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... > >Thanks, >Gregory Bruce Campbell >www.kickstartchubby.com >kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
>AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...
>
>"Best looper available easy to use"???
>
>I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms...
>I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have completely killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it could not be synced to other looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never have said a word until this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure i will irritate several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where i look forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my ! >rack that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false claims to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........
>
>"Best looper available easy to use"???????????
>
>
Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use...
>
>I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price does sound like a great deal though:)
>
>kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
>AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...

>
>
Thanks,
>
Gregory Bruce Campbell
>www.kickstartchubby.com
> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 14:09:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01086; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:43:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:43:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <119.a3e66ba.296209bf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:34:39 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_119.a3e66ba.296209bf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_119.a3e66ba.296209bf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/2001 12:08:03 PM Central Standard Time,=20 smaug@servidor.unam.mx writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > There are some of us who like Lo fi!! you don=B4t need to MIDI sync ev= ery > piece of gear you own, not to mention that not every looper on this list=20 > has > two grand to spend on expensive toys... >=20 > I think that the Rang is a killer Looper. >=20 >=20 > A+ >=20 That's cool, all I'm saying is that is not "THE BEST" in all reality I don't= =20 think any one looping device is "THE BEST"... And I appreciate your response to my post. Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_119.a3e66ba.296209bf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/31/2001 12:08:03 PM Central Standard Time, smaug@serv= idor.unam.mx writes:





    There are some of us who like Lo fi!! you don=B4t need to= MIDI sync every
piece of gear you own, not to mention that not every looper on this list has=
two grand to spend on expensive toys...

    I think that the Rang is a killer  Looper.


A+


That's cool, all I'm saying is that is not "THE BEST" in all reality I don't= think any one looping device is "THE BEST"...

And I appreciate your response to my post.

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_119.a3e66ba.296209bf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 14:38:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04057; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:14:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011231190626.90908.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Jane Adams Subject: making field recordings To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm curious to know if any of you make field recordings. What kind of portable/remote equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more info? Thanks! Mary Jane (ps: posted this question to the ambient@hyperreal list also, so pardon if you get this twice.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 14:44:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04928; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022501c1922f$7c3d60c0$e5c0d63f@richkroll> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <6.21acae4c.2961fa83@aol.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:15:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0222_01C19205.908DFA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <-hwCr.A.j-.3iLM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0222_01C19205.908DFA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Truthfully I think they are they best for the money. You can actually take a little talent (and the ability to tap a button = on beat) add a boomerang and do things in a live environment that will = blow joe average away. Heck I've seen everybody from singers to a = keyboard player playing space music using them live and they work great. I would'nt use it in a studio. But I'm not sure I would use a looper = in a studio anyway. For live perforamnce and Bang for the buck I'm not = sure what you could get to do a better job..... A loop station NOT!!!! Rich ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KkstrtChby@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** = $350.00 *******NEW NE... kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + = phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power = supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to = use. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... "Best looper available easy to use"??? I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms... I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get = into looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just = dove in and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would = have completely killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that = the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one = at home with looping and never try displaying their talents... My = dis-satisfaction came with it clipping exremely, it was all around = noisy, and the biggest thing was that it could not be synced to other = looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never have said a word until = this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure i = will irritate several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but = this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where i look = forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a = claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my ! = rack that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such = false claims to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the = boomerang can be very cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a = bunch of........=20 "Best looper available easy to use"??????????? Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use... I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i = tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a = salesman... so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out = the BS, this price does sound like a great deal though:) kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + = phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power = supply. $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email = kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0222_01C19205.908DFA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Truthfully  I think they are they = best for the=20 money.
You can actually take a little talent = (and the=20 ability to tap a button on beat) add a boomerang and do things in a live = environment that will blow joe average away. Heck I've seen everybody = from=20 singers to a keyboard player playing space music using them live and = they work=20 great.
  I would'nt use it in a = studio.  But I'm=20 not sure I would use a looper in a studio anyway.  For live = perforamnce and=20 Bang for the buck I'm not sure what you could get to do a better=20 job.....
A loop station    =20 NOT!!!!
 
 
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KkstrtChby@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 = 12:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boomerang + = Version 2.a3=20 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE...

kroll@vrinter.net = wrote---
AFTER=20 CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase = sampler 4=20 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 = shipping=20 pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call = 610-462-3627 9am=20 -9pm est...

"Best looper available easy to use"???

I = want to go=20 ahead and open a new can of worms...
I first owned a boomerang, i = cant=20 believe that i wanted so bad to get into looping that after two years = of=20 getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in and got a pair of EDPs... = You would=20 think the boomerang would have completely killed such a thirst in the = first=20 place... I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep = loopers=20 who purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their=20 talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it clipping exremely, it was = all=20 around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it could not be synced to = other=20 looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never have said a word = until this=20 claim was made: "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure = i will=20 irritate several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but this = is the=20 first e-group that i've ever participated in where i look forward to = reading=20 EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a claim by someone = selling a=20 $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my ! rack that smokes the = boomerang=20 like a twig! please do not post such false claims to make a sale to=20 unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very cool to the = right=20 people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........

"Best = looper=20 available easy to use"???????????

Oh wait, i guess it = is easy=20 to use...

I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't = hate me=20 forever, i tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims = like a=20 salesman... so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out = the BS,=20 this price does sound like a great deal = though:)

kroll@vrinter.net=20 wrote---
AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New = boomerang +=20 phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual = power=20 supply. $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email = kroll@vrinter.net or=20 call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...


Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
=20
------=_NextPart_000_0222_01C19205.908DFA00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 15:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06438; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:48:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:48:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c19232$efa6f140$8883abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: "one less than none" Cc: References: <002901c19149$2d1b79a0$c05330d5@snowmonster> Subject: Re: Lexicon PCM-81 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1923B.50D11510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da pių parti. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1923B.50D11510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: one less than none=20 To: LD mailing list=20 Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Lexicon PCM-81 >anyone got any experiance with these ??? well, reverbs are (as you may expect) wonderful (lexicon trademark is = to create reverbs with a particular attention to make them "real" = instead of others that go into another direction) but you have all the = power and control to build interesting and very high quality algorithms. A very interesting thing are the resonatorsd you find on it, I tried = to replicate them with Eventide Orville, but there is no chance to have = them sounding so full, thick and concrete (percussive) as the Pcm. Picth shifting is also accurate and creative and you have the chance = of a nice (and long) delay at disposal to distribute the shifts in time. It's a very nice box with its own character. Add its midi implementation is great. If you buy it used it should be 20 bits, newer are at 24. Explore, explore, explore and don't explode ! AND HAVE YOU ALL A GREAT 2002 !!! my best, luca ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1923B.50D11510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From:=20 one less than none
To: LD mailing list
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 = 4:46=20 PM
Subject: Lexicon PCM-81

>anyone got any = experiance with=20 these ???
 
well, reverbs are (as you may expect) = wonderful=20 (lexicon trademark is to create reverbs with a particular attention to = make=20 them "real" instead of others that go into another direction) but you = have all=20 the power and control to build interesting and very high quality=20 algorithms.
A very interesting thing are the = resonatorsd you=20 find on it, I tried to replicate them with Eventide Orville, but there = is no=20 chance to have them sounding so full, thick and concrete (percussive) = as the=20 Pcm.
Picth shifting is also accurate and = creative and=20 you have the chance of a nice (and long) delay at disposal to = distribute the=20 shifts in time.
It's a very nice box with its own=20 character.
Add its midi implementation is=20 great.
If you buy it used it should = be 20 bits,=20 newer are at 24.
Explore, explore, explore and don't = explode=20 !
 
AND HAVE YOU ALL A GREAT 2002 = !!!
my best,
luca
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1923B.50D11510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 16:53:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14317; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:25:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:25:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:15:39 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms References: <123.96c11c5.2961d886@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hallo David, Ya said, [on the NiN/Madonna "canned music" thing...] > nevertheless, > the audience doesn't *care* to know how the music is achieved --- however the > quality of the music's effect might be judged, *that* seems to be the > audience's primary concern. Agreed. I wonder, though, how well a "Nine Inch Nails" show would go over if Trent was a complete unknown, singing his tunes to a prerecorded tape in a coffee shop on a Tuesday night. Would the very same music have the same impact on people (and would the "canned" aspect come across as well) as it does coming from the fishnet-clad, multi-platinum cultural icon bathed in lights from atop the stage of a sports arena? I honestly don't know, but it's interesting to mull over, perhaps... (And I personally like Trent's stuff, for the most part.) > >I honestly feel that too much importance is placed on the mechanics and > >craft of real-time looping by many of the musicians who use those tools. > between us, here on LD, that's all fine w/me! > but: in practice --- i'm more interested in the intention & content of the > music. Absolutely -- I think some loopists tend to get hung up on the mechanics of what they're doing, and (sometimes) assume that a failure to connect with an audience is somehow intrinsic to their gear/methodology/what-have-you, rather than looking at what they themselves are bringing (or not bringing) to the table, intention and content-wise. > and: it kinda reminds me of the gtr-player gear/technique syndromes, which > can be so very boring & stultifying..... Say, David, what kind of strings do you use? > >or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mitchell gigs. > jaco did that? Yep! There's a widely-available Joni Mitchell concert video (I rented it from a Blockbuster), I believe from the "Shadows and Light" tour (with Pat Metheny and, I think, Don Alias in the band). It's a great little solo bit, extremely musical... albiet a little unnerving, as you can see a glimpse of Jaco's more... um, "malevolently unbalanced" side peeking out therein. > yeah, albeit i'd say that -these days- it has become clearer to me that, as > an element of performance & composition, i *am* interested in the audience > hearing/feeling/sensing the technology & methodology of live-looping, Me too. I'm not saying, "Let's hide the mechanics of looping from the audience," I'm saying, "Let's make sure that there's something substantive being communicated via those mechanics, however overt or subtle their implementation may be." > >Torn, who uses a much more elaborate approach, both in terms of the > >amount of gear > huh? i use a 5-space rack, and a buncha pedals! In comparison to someone like Mr. Lawson (the bloke by which said comparison was brandished), that IS much more elaborate, in my reckoning. (I think his usual setup is a Jamman, DL4, and a Lexicon processor into one 1x10 combo amp... correct me here if need be, Steve). But it's true, I've seen bigger rigs than that of Torn. Like, in the setup of a certain bespectacled British progressive rock icon... ;) > there's certainly no dearth of musicians-pursuing-and-perfecting-mediocrity, > at the 'top' of their fields..... Well-spoken. > >And it doesn't mean that a good ambient act > >can't clean the floor with a bad funk band. > currently, my floors are *somewhat* clean, already..... That made my day right there... > ..... and i just finished my second dbl-espresso of the day..... ...and that ruined it! :-() (Kidding, of course.) Happy New Year y'all, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 17:30:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17424; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:02:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:02:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c19245$b89955e0$b92f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200112301601.LAA09097@user1.channel1.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Playing in a duo similar to Frank's, I gotta agree. I don't like explanations of what people are hearing- it feels to me like 'look at me, if you thought I was cool before, and now you know all the work I am actually *doing* up here, you gotta think I am mega cool now!'. If people want to know, they will usually just ask afterwards. If they think the music is canned, so be it- they can also laugh at my expressions of panic when I accidentally press 'mute' instead of 'record'. Frank, we should do a show sometime. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > >It's my feeling that, ultimately, the music in and of itself > needs to > >have a certain fundamental strength to it, REGARDLESS of the > presence > >or absence of clever or unusual methodology. > AMEN to that. > Frank Gerace > Dreamchild > www.dreamchildmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 17:58:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18404; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011231171710.00819ac0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:17:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: making field recordings In-Reply-To: <20011231190626.90908.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:06 AM 12/31/01 -0800, Mary Jane wrote: >I'm curious to know if any of you make field >recordings. What kind of portable/remote >equipment do you use? Special mikes? I use a Sony MZ-R37 MiniDisc recorder with a Sony ECM-DS70P stereo mic, but since I'm not entirely happy with the frequency response of the mic (100-15khz), I'm also interested in hearing what the rest of you are using! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 18:03:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18760; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:35:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:27:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011231115442.0081e8c0@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah that whole AB routine about his looping w/ is on that video he made long ago and still available:"adrian belew electronic guitar" on DCI music video inc.fwiw- s >>>> addition of whatall might be construed as a 'lecture'..... > > Like Miko, I'd have to side with DT and Frank Gerace on that one, although > I can think of two specific exceptions: 1) I saw Adrian Belew right after > he got his first EH-16 (early 80's 'Twang Bar King' tour), and he was so > enthused about the thing, he gave an impromptu demonstration of what it > could do, overtly building and reversing a loop, and then incorporating it > into the next tune. > >> ..... and i just finished my second dbl-espresso of the day..... > > Mmmm! > > -t- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 18:09:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18911; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:40:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011231172645.00814320@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:26:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... In-Reply-To: <022501c1922f$7c3d60c0$e5c0d63f@richkroll> References: <6.21acae4c.2961fa83@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:15 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Rich wrote: >But I'm not sure I would use a looper in a studio anyway. Gasp!!! Heresy! Seriously, everyone I know who's compared the upgraded 'rang "+" with the original has been very impressed, and several of the shortcomings GREGory pointed at have been at least improved. I can understand his reaction to what he considers hype, but the + version IS a different beast... -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 18:27:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20072; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:58:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:58:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C30EC3F.7C0DC528@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:52:58 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: making field recordings References: <20011231190626.90908.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mary Jane Adams wrote: > Hi, > > I'm curious to know if any of you make field > recordings. What kind of portable/remote > equipment do you use? Special mikes? Suggested > techniques? Helpful books or web sites for more > info? > > Thanks! > > Mary Jane hi i started doing "field recordings" a few years ago, and while i've not done lots of it, i have used several devices, with varying results, to wit: i began with a sony microcassette recorder M-679V, which i still have, and use periodically, but usually to load quickly recorded stuff into my guitar pickups for that *special* texture (i use a cell phone for the same); it's a bit noisy and i've only used the built-in mic (kinda crappy) with it for simplicity's sake; i have used a couple of MD recorders, the first is the sony MZ R55, which i've had some good luck with, and i actually found the sony electret condenser stereo mic to be pretty decent, though at about US $100 i would have expected it to be a little more solidly-built (it's obviously more of a hobby-grade instrument, but it is fairly clear-sounding and is switchable between a 90 degree and 120 degree pattern). my biggest complaint was running out of battery juice at inopportune times, but that's less a beef about the gear than an indication of poor planning (also, the mic is powered, so even if you remember to have spares or a charged-up nicad on hand for the MD, it's easly to forget to carry an extra for the mic...). i just got a new sony MZ-R700, which comes in a cool lime green :-) and is a bit smaller/lighter than the earlier model. the mic's the same, but the interface is a little easier to use, and i'm happy enough with the results from the few tests i've made. one of the biggest problems i've heard from others doing field work is wind noise. the sony mic comes with a foam windscreen, which helps but doesn't eliminate the problem...as for more in-depth info, i haven't looked around. actually, if you find a good source of data, i'd definitely be interested! best, lance g. ps i've also run a roland hard-disc unit out into the elements on a looong extension cord. results were good with small diaphram condenser mics, but not the most flexible (or portable) set-up! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 18:36:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21739; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:07:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:07:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:56:14 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00*******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C30ED0E.74CC7854@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200112311806.fBVI6AK21612@servidor.unam.mx> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com amen to that! I have two that I use and find that for my playing (out as matter of fact) it works better not to mess with MIDI. I run guitar and and ADG 10 string tapping guitar through a Roland GR-33, and loop via an effects send on my board. Perhaps in a different setting with different instrumentation I would use a rack mounted midi-synced something but for me, simple is better. (I save loops in my head!) Mike Killian Andy Soto wrote: > There are some of us who like Lo fi!! you donīt need to MIDI sync every > piece of gear you own, not to mention that not every looper on this list has > two grand to spend on expensive toys... > > I think that the Rang is a killer Looper. > > A+ > > At 12:29 p.m. 31/12/01 EST, you wrote: > >kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- > >AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase > >sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. > >15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email > >kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... > > > >"Best looper available easy to use"??? > > > >I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms... > >I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into > >looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in > >and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have completely > >killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the boomerang is an > >expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and > >never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it > >clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it > >could not be synced to other looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never > >have said a word until this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to > >use"??? I'm sure i will irritate several individuals with my attack on the > >boomerang, but this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where > >i look forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a > >claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my rack > >that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false claims > >to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very > >cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........ > > > >"Best looper available easy to use"??????????? > > > >Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use... > > > >I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i tried > >expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... so to > >not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price does > >sound like a great deal though:) > > > >kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- > >AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase > >sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. > >$350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call > >610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... > > > >Thanks, > >Gregory Bruce Campbell > >www.kickstartchubby.com > > SIZE=1>kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
> >AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase > sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. > 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. > Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...
> >
> >"Best looper available easy to use"???
> >
> >I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms...
> >I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into > looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in > and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have > completely killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the > boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home > with looping and never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction > came with it clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest > thing was that it could not be synced to other looping units and / or > MIDI... now i would never have said a word until this claim was made: > "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure i will irritate > several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but this is the first > e-group that i've ever participated in where i look forward to reading EVERY > SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a claim by someone selling a $400 > toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my ! > >rack that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false > claims to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can > be very cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........
> >
> >"Best looper available easy to use"???????????
> >
> >
Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use...
> >
> >I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i > tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... > so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price > does sound like a great deal though:)
> >
> >kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
> >AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase > sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. > $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call > 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Thanks,
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Greg COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff0" SIZE=1 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" > FACE="Arial" LANG="0">ory Bruce style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff0" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" > LANG="0">Campbell
> >www.kickstartchubby.com
> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 19:06:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23671; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <158.6922d75.29624ed7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:29:27 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_158.6922d75.29624ed7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_158.6922d75.29624ed7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will admit I have never tried the Boomerang + but my first impression keeps me away. The one credit to the boomerang I will give is that by owning one, I knew I had to time my foot to create satisfying loops when I got my EDP units ... hey I would have figured that out 3 minutes later than I already knew it when my EDPs arrived... So the Boomerang did save me a few minutes in getting started on my EDPs! Again it was the comment about being "THE BEST" ... if it was "the best for the money"??? I still disagree but that is not what was stated in the solicitation... It seems this is turning into a chevy / ford... coke / pepsi type thing... (is one really BETTER?) Boomerang vs "EDP, Eventide, or Jamman" yes they all loop but it would be more like comparing Shasta and Cabernet.... nothing do with each other except you can drink them both... LOL :) And hey, my responses from here on out are all in fun, so I hope no one gets really upset by my logic... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_158.6922d75.29624ed7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will admit I have never tried the Boomerang + but my first impression keeps me away.

The one credit to the boomerang I will give is that by owning one, I knew I had to time my foot to create satisfying loops when I got my EDP units ... hey I would have figured that out 3 minutes later than I already knew it when my EDPs arrived...

So the Boomerang did save me a few minutes in getting started on my EDPs!

Again it was the comment about being "THE BEST" ... if it was "the best for the money"??? I still disagree but that is not what was stated in the solicitation...

It seems this is turning into a chevy / ford... coke / pepsi type thing... (is one really BETTER?)

Boomerang vs "EDP, Eventide, or Jamman" yes they all loop but it would be more like comparing Shasta and Cabernet.... nothing do with each other except you can drink them both... LOL :)

And hey, my responses from here on out are all in fun, so I hope no one gets really upset by my logic...

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_158.6922d75.29624ed7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 19:08:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23880; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:38:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KkstrtChby@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.4442223.29624f39@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:31:05 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00*******NEW NE... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4c.4442223.29624f39_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4c.4442223.29624f39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/2001 5:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, kili@swbell.net writes: > amen to that! I have two that I use and find that for my playing (out as > matter of > fact) it works better not to mess with MIDI. I run guitar and and ADG 10 > string > tapping guitar through a Roland GR-33, and loop via an effects send on my > board. > Perhaps in a different setting with different instrumentation I would use a > rack > mounted midi-synced something but for me, simple is better. (I save loops > in my > head!) > I'm only curious, do you use both at the same time? If so how do you keep the two loops from getting away from each other? Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com --part1_4c.4442223.29624f39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/2001 5:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, kili@swbell.net writes:


amen to that!  I have two that I use and find that for my playing (out as matter of
fact) it works better not to mess with MIDI.  I run guitar and and ADG 10 string
tapping guitar through a Roland GR-33, and loop via an effects send on my board.
Perhaps in a different setting with different instrumentation I would use a rack
mounted midi-synced something but for me, simple is better.  (I save loops in my
head!)


I'm only curious, do you use both at the same time?

If so how do you keep the two loops from getting away from each other?

Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
--part1_4c.4442223.29624f39_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 19:35:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27374; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:06:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:06:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011231185427.0081e6b0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:54:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20011231115442.0081e8c0@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, that's the one. Although the night I saw him (Sept. 13th, '83 at the Paradise in Boston) it wasn't yet a routine and he was waaaay more enthused than in the video because 1) he'd just gotten the thing a few weeks before, and 2) when he performed for the video several months later, he had the flu! (It was the day after shooting Crimson's 'Sleepless' video.) Happy New Year, everyone! -t- At 02:27 PM 12/31/01 -0800, stan wrote: >yeah that whole AB routine about his looping w/ is on that >video he made long ago and still available:"adrian belew electronic guitar" >on DCI music video inc.fwiw- >s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 20:26:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29526; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:56:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:56:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.18b48571.29626167@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:48:39 EST Subject: Reccommended midi controller for Electrix Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for info (brand, model, price, where to purchase) on a dual expression pedal midi controller. Also where to get the best price on an Eletrix Repeater 1.1. Also if anybody's interested, you can purchase copies of Honey Barbara "I-10 & W. Ave." cd at: www.emigre.com. Happy New Year!!! "God bless us all, everyone" James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 20:37:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31072; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:08:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:08:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015301c1925f$883975a0$0301000a@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <3158-3C03D75E-6622@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:59:10 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 00:56:56.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[35FB88F0:01C1925F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got one, it's cool... Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Mcallister" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: Re: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed > Has anyone on this list tried the Map 1 arpeggiator. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 20:38:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31107; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:09:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:01:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Expectations, artifice, and a hell of a can of worms From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C30D57C.A269BFD9@altruistmusic.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I kind of disagree about not giving the audience a bit of an idea of what you're doing. You don't have to pontificate about it, or go into minutia, but a tad of explanation can be good. You rarely see a painting or photograph that doesn't describe the medium a bit. Why not music? Usually, it's self explanatory, a guy is playing an electric guitar through an amp. Sax into a PA, Vocal, etc. But when you're doing something that's not evident, I think people like a little heads up. Of course, all this is *in addition to a good performance of interesting music*, not instead of. I think a little explanation before your performance is nice, and can build a rapport with your audience. I've only had good experiences while doing it. Mark Sottilaro on 12/31/01 1:15 PM, Andre LaFosse at altruist@altruistmusic.com wrote: > Hallo David, > > Ya said, > > [on the NiN/Madonna "canned music" thing...] >> nevertheless, >> the audience doesn't *care* to know how the music is achieved --- however the >> quality of the music's effect might be judged, *that* seems to be the >> audience's primary concern. > > Agreed. I wonder, though, how well a "Nine Inch Nails" show would go > over if Trent was a complete unknown, singing his tunes to a prerecorded > tape in a coffee shop on a Tuesday night. Would the very same music > have the same impact on people (and would the "canned" aspect come > across as well) as it does coming from the fishnet-clad, multi-platinum > cultural icon bathed in lights from atop the stage of a sports arena? I > honestly don't know, but it's interesting to mull over, perhaps... (And > I personally like Trent's stuff, for the most part.) > >>> I honestly feel that too much importance is placed on the mechanics and >>> craft of real-time looping by many of the musicians who use those tools. >> between us, here on LD, that's all fine w/me! >> but: in practice --- i'm more interested in the intention & content of the >> music. > > Absolutely -- I think some loopists tend to get hung up on the mechanics > of what they're doing, and (sometimes) assume that a failure to connect > with an audience is somehow intrinsic to their > gear/methodology/what-have-you, rather than looking at what they > themselves are bringing (or not bringing) to the table, intention and > content-wise. > >> and: it kinda reminds me of the gtr-player gear/technique syndromes, which >> can be so very boring & stultifying..... > > Say, David, what kind of strings do you use? > >>> or Jaco's looping solo in the middle of Joni Mitchell gigs. >> jaco did that? > > Yep! There's a widely-available Joni Mitchell concert video (I rented > it from a Blockbuster), I believe from the "Shadows and Light" tour > (with Pat Metheny and, I think, Don Alias in the band). It's a great > little solo bit, extremely musical... albiet a little unnerving, as you > can see a glimpse of Jaco's more... um, "malevolently unbalanced" side > peeking out therein. > >> yeah, albeit i'd say that -these days- it has become clearer to me that, as >> an element of performance & composition, i *am* interested in the audience >> hearing/feeling/sensing the technology & methodology of live-looping, > > Me too. I'm not saying, "Let's hide the mechanics of looping from the > audience," I'm saying, "Let's make sure that there's something > substantive being communicated via those mechanics, however overt or > subtle their implementation may be." > >>> Torn, who uses a much more elaborate approach, both in terms of the >>> amount of gear >> huh? i use a 5-space rack, and a buncha pedals! > > In comparison to someone like Mr. Lawson (the bloke by which said > comparison was brandished), that IS much more elaborate, in my > reckoning. (I think his usual setup is a Jamman, DL4, and a Lexicon > processor into one 1x10 combo amp... correct me here if need be, Steve). > > But it's true, I've seen bigger rigs than that of Torn. Like, in the > setup of a certain bespectacled British progressive rock icon... ;) > >> there's certainly no dearth of musicians-pursuing-and-perfecting-mediocrity, >> at the 'top' of their fields..... > > Well-spoken. > >>> And it doesn't mean that a good ambient act >>> can't clean the floor with a bad funk band. >> currently, my floors are *somewhat* clean, already..... > > That made my day right there... > >> ..... and i just finished my second dbl-espresso of the day..... > > ...and that ruined it! :-() (Kidding, of course.) > > Happy New Year y'all, > > --Andre LaFosse > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 20:45:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31272; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:15:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:15:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017f01c19260$9f7a6980$0301000a@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <6.21acae4c.2961fa83@aol.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:07:00 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017C_01C1921D.90109FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 01:04:45.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D712160:01C19260] Resent-Message-ID: <3cWCeD.A.XkH.KuQM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C1921D.90109FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've discussed the boomerang on the list many times. I have to disagree = with your assessment of it. I've used it live dozens and dozens of = times over the last three years (including on tour). I've also got an = EDP, but I prefer the boomerang for live situations. It's dead simple = to use and control, it doesn't sound lo-fi to me when used with my bass = or cello. It's a nifty box! For a looping guitarist or bassist, I = think it's the best box for the job. I'm still using the v1.0 software = though, I haven't had a chance to upgrade it because I don't want to be = without it! Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KkstrtChby@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** = $350.00 *******NEW NE... kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + = phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power = supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to = use. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... "Best looper available easy to use"??? I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms... I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get = into looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just = dove in and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would = have completely killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that = the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one = at home with looping and never try displaying their talents... My = dis-satisfaction came with it clipping exremely, it was all around = noisy, and the biggest thing was that it could not be synced to other = looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never have said a word until = this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure i = will irritate several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but = this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where i look = forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a = claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my ! = rack that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such = false claims to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the = boomerang can be very cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a = bunch of........=20 "Best looper available easy to use"??????????? Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use... I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i = tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a = salesman... so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out = the BS, this price does sound like a great deal though:) kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + = phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power = supply. $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email = kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... Thanks, Gregory Bruce Campbell www.kickstartchubby.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C1921D.90109FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've discussed the boomerang on = the=20 list many times.  I have to disagree with your assessment of = it. =20 I've used it live dozens and dozens of times over the last three years=20 (including on tour).  I've also got an EDP, but I prefer the = boomerang for=20 live situations.  It's dead simple to use and control, it doesn't = sound=20 lo-fi to me when used with my bass or cello.  It's a nifty = box!  For a=20 looping guitarist or bassist, I think it's the best box for the = job.  I'm=20 still using the v1.0 software though, I haven't had a chance to upgrade = it=20 because I don't want to be without it!
 
    Kevin
 
Unit Circle Media
http://www.unitcircle.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KkstrtChby@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 = 9:29=20 AM
Subject: Re: Boomerang + = Version 2.a3=20 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE...

kroll@vrinter.net = wrote---
AFTER=20 CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase = sampler 4=20 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 = shipping=20 pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call = 610-462-3627 9am=20 -9pm est...

"Best looper available easy to use"???

I = want to go=20 ahead and open a new can of worms...
I first owned a boomerang, i = cant=20 believe that i wanted so bad to get into looping that after two years = of=20 getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in and got a pair of EDPs... = You would=20 think the boomerang would have completely killed such a thirst in the = first=20 place... I feel that the boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep = loopers=20 who purchase one at home with looping and never try displaying their=20 talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it clipping exremely, it was = all=20 around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it could not be synced to = other=20 looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never have said a word = until this=20 claim was made: "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure = i will=20 irritate several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but this = is the=20 first e-group that i've ever participated in where i look forward to = reading=20 EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a claim by someone = selling a=20 $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my ! rack that smokes the = boomerang=20 like a twig! please do not post such false claims to make a sale to=20 unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very cool to the = right=20 people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........

"Best = looper=20 available easy to use"???????????

Oh wait, i guess it = is easy=20 to use...

I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't = hate me=20 forever, i tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims = like a=20 salesman... so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out = the BS,=20 this price does sound like a great deal = though:)

kroll@vrinter.net=20 wrote---
AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New = boomerang +=20 phrase sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual = power=20 supply. $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email = kroll@vrinter.net or=20 call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...


Thanks,
Gregory Bruce Campbell
www.kickstartchubby.com
=20
------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C1921D.90109FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 20:50:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31517; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:21:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:21:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:13:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW$350.00 From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C30ED0E.74CC7854@swbell.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7VBuaC.A.ynH.k0QM8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what a wonderful sentiment on this NYE... i concur s simple is better. (I save loops in > my > head!) > > Mike Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 20:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31728; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:28:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:20:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Boomerang + Version 2.a3 phrase sampler NEW ****** $350.00 *******NEW NE... From: Marklar To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112311806.fBVI6AK21612@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA31468 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hate to say it, but for an extra $150 you could get a Repeater that isn't two grand, but will run rings around the Boomerang and is also very easy to use. It's new with a warrantee as well. Mark on 12/31/01 10:06 AM, Andy Soto at smaug@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > There are some of us who like Lo fi!! you donīt need to MIDI sync every > piece of gear you own, not to mention that not every looper on this list has > two grand to spend on expensive toys... > > I think that the Rang is a killer Looper. > > > A+ > > > > > > > At 12:29 p.m. 31/12/01 EST, you wrote: >> kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- >> AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase >> sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. >> 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. Email >> kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... >> >> "Best looper available easy to use"??? >> >> I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms... >> I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into >> looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in >> and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have completely >> killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the boomerang is an >> expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home with looping and >> never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction came with it >> clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest thing was that it >> could not be synced to other looping units and / or MIDI... now i would never >> have said a word until this claim was made: "Best looper available easy to >> use"??? I'm sure i will irritate several individuals with my attack on the >> boomerang, but this is the first e-group that i've ever participated in where >> i look forward to reading EVERY SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a >> claim by someone selling a $400 toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my rack >> that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false claims >> to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can be very >> cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........ >> >> "Best looper available easy to use"??????????? >> >> Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use... >> >> I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i tried >> expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... so to >> not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price does >> sound like a great deal though:) >> >> kroll@vrinter.net wrote--- >> AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase >> sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. >> $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call >> 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est... >> >> Thanks, >> Gregory Bruce Campbell >> www.kickstartchubby.com >> SIZE=1>kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
>> AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase > sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. > 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Best looper available easy to use. > Email kroll@vrinter.net or call 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...
>>
>> "Best looper available easy to use"???
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>> I want to go ahead and open a new can of worms...
>> I first owned a boomerang, i cant believe that i wanted so bad to get into > looping that after two years of getting rid of my boomerang i just dove in > and got a pair of EDPs... You would think the boomerang would have > completely killed such a thirst in the first place... I feel that the > boomerang is an expensive toy and will keep loopers who purchase one at home > with looping and never try displaying their talents... My dis-satisfaction > came with it clipping exremely, it was all around noisy, and the biggest > thing was that it could not be synced to other looping units and / or > MIDI... now i would never have said a word until this claim was made: > "Best looper available easy to use"??? I'm sure i will irritate > several individuals with my attack on the boomerang, but this is the first > e-group that i've ever participated in where i look forward to reading EVERY > SINGLE post! And i was irritated with such a claim by someone selling a $400 > toy -vs- the $2400 worth of gear in my ! >> rack that smokes the boomerang like a twig! please do not post such false > claims to make a sale to unsuspecting looper candidates. the boomerang can > be very cool to the right people but the sales pitch was a bunch of........ >
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>> "Best looper available easy to use"???????????
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Oh wait, i guess it is easy to use...
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>> I invite the arguments by anyone, just please don't hate me forever, i > tried expressing my opinions with out making false claims like a salesman... > so to not be a total jerk, i rewrote the add and took out the BS, this price > does sound like a great deal though:)
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>> kroll@vrinter.net wrote---
>> AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE!!!! NEWEST VERSION 2.a3 Brand New boomerang + phrase > sampler 4 meg version / 2 loops DEALER full waranty, Manual power supply. > $350.00 + 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. Email kroll@vrinter.net or call > 610-462-3627 9am -9pm est...
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I had a similar problem once -- it turned out to be a = loose Simm=20 chip.  Eventually, I had to open up the unit and put the chip = in=20 solidly (actually, I had someone else do it but it seemed really = simple).=20  The short term fix, though, was to give it a solid smack on = the=20 chassis!



Subject:
EDP question

Hello-

My EDP is acting strange tonight and I am = wondering if=20 any of you have