From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 03:14:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00921; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:10:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:10:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 00:09:16 -0800 Subject: music tools From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, I know we talk a lot about software, and I haven't seen anything on the list about this small cool company from the Netherlands. http://www.steim.nl/products.html LiSa has total live loopage possibilities, although I don't drag my Mac on the road with me. Oh, btw, before you start drooling, it's all Mac stuff. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 06:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05831; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:57:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:57:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE12AC0.6D99A6A3@pathcom.com> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 05:58:08 -0500 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 References: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glad to hear your comments and I concur with your point of view. I purchased mine at the same time as the Repeater. At that time there was a lot of issues to address regarding the the Repeater. I did not get into the RC-20 for for some time. When I got around to it I was delighted. It is not full featured as some of the more expensive items out there, but I love it! I use it as a studio aid in the Looping and efx section of my studio, usually feeding it samples from a laptop. The RC-20 allows me to record a silent loop of a good period of time and the allows me to work all the Trks in overdub mode. It does have a limited functionality, however it's simplicity is great! At this price you cannot beat it. Chris hutton Funkay wrote: > I paid about $280 (including the power supply which was extra) for this nice > shiny new boss pedal. I was hoping for a lower cost boomerang for practicing > and to use live. My biggest concerns were with how well it would work with > other instruments because for the most part it seems to be marketed as a > guitar pedal. All my concerns were answered and this thing is working great > after about 3 weeks of use. 5 1/2 minutes of sampling time, plus you can > save your loops! I consider myself a little spoiled after playing for a year > or two with an EDP but I was not at all let down by this pedal. Its great > for practicing, but live performance is another thing...It only has two > pedals onboard, leaving the rest of its features as buttons which can't be > pressed with your feet. I bend over quite a bit to mess with things. The > other complaint is there is no undo function. Screw up and theres no going > back. The sound quality is good, but boss seems to be keeping the sample > rate a secret. > > I really like this pedal. It certainly compares to the boomerang or the line > 6 DL4 and in my opinion it outranks both. Its built very strong and I would > trust it to use live. Every once in a while it has a glitch and puts a short > delay in between hitting the pedals and stopping the loop, but it only seems > to happen within the first few minutes of starting it up. Other than my few > complaints, boss has put together a very good product, especially > considering the price. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 10:43:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18932; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 07:38:11 -0800 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Drum sounds To: "Looper's Delight" Cc: botero1@lycos.it Message-id: <000f01c162eb$36c28980$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001c01c16251$1ea09d00$c173623e@default> Resent-Message-ID: <2-Lk5D.A.4mE.AzW47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are so many sample library sets available for drum sounds/loops these days ... check out: http://www.bigfishaudio.com http://www.ilio.com/ http://www.sampleheads.com http://www.spectrasonics.net/ http://www.sonicimplants.com For free samples, check out: http://www.samplenet.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Power" To: "Looper's Deligth" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: Drum sounds Can someone reccomend me a sample cd or a good web site where I can found a set of acoustic drums samples? I'm looking for multiple samples with velocity split and various executive techniques ( for ex: rim shots, flames etc...) Thank you, Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 10:49:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19458; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:46:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:46:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c162ec$7d583060$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: music tools Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:47:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And it seems at first glance that the Lickmachine software may be useful for the kind of situation Bobdog is in, needing to trigger percussion pieces in a performance. They seem to imply that midi information can be used to determine a number of playback parameters including note density, velocity and others. Realtime record and playback, apparently. Hmmmm. And you wouldn't need all the weird shit I was talking about! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: music tools > hey, > > I know we talk a lot about software, and I haven't seen anything on the list > about this small cool company from the Netherlands. > > http://www.steim.nl/products.html > > LiSa has total live loopage possibilities, although I don't drag my Mac on > the road with me. Oh, btw, before you start drooling, it's all Mac stuff. > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 12:35:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27681; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:30:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:30:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c162fa$f5609c60$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <004101c162ec$7d583060$8645230a@melon> Subject: Re: music tools Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:30:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Springing out of the woodwork it seems, here's an audio sequencer allegedly designed for live/improv use: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2001/Live-10-Ships.html http://www.ableton.com/english/products/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: Re: music tools > And it seems at first glance that the Lickmachine software may > be useful for the kind of situation Bobdog is in, needing to > trigger percussion pieces in a performance. They seem to imply > that midi information can be used to determine a number of > playback parameters including note density, velocity and others. > Realtime record and playback, apparently. Hmmmm. > > And you wouldn't need all the weird shit I was talking about! > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:09 AM > Subject: music tools > > > > hey, > > > > I know we talk a lot about software, and I haven't seen > anything on the list > > about this small cool company from the Netherlands. > > > > http://www.steim.nl/products.html > > > > LiSa has total live loopage possibilities, although I don't > drag my Mac on > > the road with me. Oh, btw, before you start drooling, it's > all Mac stuff. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:04:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29729; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011101092725.030ec680@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:53:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Heasley Subject: Re: --Tom Heasley CD-- In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20011031205804.009eb0f0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_57767401==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_57767401==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:08 PM 10/31/01, you wrote: >My copy of Tom Heasley's new CD on Hypnos, Where the Earth Meets The Sky, >arrived today. Had a chance to give it a listen and i highly recommend it >to any ambient music fans out there. THANK YOU, Peter, for ordering, listening and for your recommendation to the list! >I know it's been mentioned here before, but i think it's worth mentioning >again. Very >contemplative, with what sounds like quite an intuitive sense of >harmony. This is very much >a "vertical color of sound" type of record. I had no idea the tuba was so >versatile! >I know Tom's touring off and on...let us know if/when you'll be in the >Boston area! I'll be "almost everywhere" this weekend. My 'Echoes' one-hour Feature airs this weekend. Echoes is a PRI-syndicated show airing weekly on over 175 stations + the web, hosted by John Diliberto (I was interviewed by co-producer extraordinaire, Jeff Towne - great guy if you ever get the chance...). http://www.echoes.org/feature.html. I'm taking a brief 'rest' at home this week before going back out for a few concerts: Saturday, Nov. 9, 2001 8:00 P.M. Sonic Circuits International Festival of Electronic Music and Art Sursum Corda Minneapolis, MN http://www.soniccircuits.com/events/ Monday, Nov. 12, 2001 (If I can make it to Oberlin, OH by then, I'll do Tom Lopez's radio program there - no details yet; I'll also probably meet with Tom's composition students during that week). Thursday, Nov. 15, 2001 Boxheart Gallery Pittsburgh, PA (some local ambient people are opening - not sure who yet) Saturday, Nov. 17, 2001 8:00 P.M. Warner Concert Hall Oberlin Conservatory Oberlin, OH http://www.oberlin.edu Bests to alls, Tom Heasley Tom Heasley Composer/Tubist 427 Alma St., Suite 206 Palo Alto, CA 94301 P: 650.322.3633 F: 419.831.3809 http://www.hypnos.com/heasley http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi http://kalvos.org/heasley.html --=====================_57767401==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 06:08 PM 10/31/01, you wrote:
My copy of Tom Heasley's new CD on Hypnos, Where the Earth Meets The Sky, arrived today.  Had a chance to give it a listen and i highly recommend it to any ambient music fans out there.

THANK YOU, Peter, for ordering, listening and for your recommendation to the list!

I know it's been mentioned here before, but i think it's worth mentioning again.  Very
contemplative, with what sounds like quite an intuitive sense of harmony.  This is very much
a "vertical color of sound" type of record.  I had no idea the tuba was so versatile!
I know Tom's touring off and on...let us know if/when you'll be in the Boston area!

I'll be "almost everywhere" this weekend.  My 'Echoes' one-hour Feature airs this weekend.  Echoes is a PRI-syndicated show airing weekly on over 175 stations + the web, hosted by John Diliberto (I was interviewed by co-producer extraordinaire, Jeff Towne - great guy if you ever get the chance...).  http://www.echoes.org/feature.html.

I'm taking a brief 'rest' at home this week before going back out for a few concerts:

Saturday, Nov. 9, 2001
8:00 P.M.
Sonic Circuits International Festival of Electronic Music and Art
Sursum Corda
Minneapolis, MN
http://www.soniccircuits.com/events/

Monday, Nov. 12, 2001
(If I can make it to Oberlin, OH by then, I'll do Tom Lopez's radio program there - no details yet;  I'll also probably meet with Tom's composition students during that week).

Thursday, Nov. 15, 2001
Boxheart Gallery
Pittsburgh, PA
(some local ambient people are opening - not sure who yet)

Saturday, Nov. 17, 2001
8:00 P.M.
Warner Concert Hall
Oberlin Conservatory
Oberlin, OH
http://www.oberlin.edu

Bests to alls,

Tom Heasley

Tom Heasley
Composer/Tubist
427 Alma St., Suite 206         Palo Alto, CA  94301
P:  650.322.3633                F:  419.831.3809
http://www.hypnos.com/heasley
http://bayimproviser.com/TomHeasley
www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi
http://kalvos.org/heasley.html

 --=====================_57767401==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:16:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32732; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011101130410.00ae9a70@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:10:58 -0500 To: From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: music tools Cc: "Paul Asselin":; In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah ha! That's STEIM! They've been around for a long time and have always been an bleeding-edge r&d organization that promotes and supports experimental music. Back in 1994 and again in 1998 I visited them in Amseterdam. They were working, at the time, on a variety of alternative midi input devices. one was a suit you wear with sensors that send midi depending on how you bend. I saw a performance using this suit at the Knitting Factory in New York. Pretty amazing stuff. Since the Europeans are generally ahead of their time in these regards, its doesn't surprise me that their software is made for a Macintosh. Mac's have always been a best-pick for European experimental hardware prototyping. I think it's because the mac had a more integrated and supported hardware architecture than many other machines. Atari's were also used a lot and in fact the first top selling commercial midi sequencers were made for the atari exclusively: first was Steinberg Pro24, which I owned and then CLAB Creator/Notator which because Emagic Logic. Both of these I used when they came out in around 1988-90. I am currently a Logic Audio user, on a mac of course. ;) I am going to check out this Steim stuff. I have a spare PPC604 CPU and if it can work on that I might dedicate the box as a steim engine. plexus At 03:09 AM 11/1/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >hey, > >I know we talk a lot about software, and I haven't seen anything on the list >about this small cool company from the Netherlands. > >http://www.steim.nl/products.html > >LiSa has total live loopage possibilities, although I don't drag my Mac on >the road with me. Oh, btw, before you start drooling, it's all Mac stuff. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 13:49:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02483; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:43:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011101131835.00ab3790@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:47:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: mic rant, and then i'll disappear again. i swear. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_11181578==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_11181578==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "diatom drone" > is this a good mic for sampling in general? < i am sorry to say, when it comes to microphones there really, really is no "general". really. life would be much easier if this were not true - but imho, if you are going to spend any meaningful portion of the time you have on earth devoted to this pursuit of recording, _please_ consider the parallel devotion to the slow, methodical accumulation of a decent mic collection. think of it like stamps, coins, masterworks in oil, whatever you got to do, but embrace that concept. yes, you'll use the C1000S. it'll work for you, yes. then one day you're going to be at some studio that has a pair of earthworks omnis and you're gonna wonder where you've been all your life. < i've been collecting junk to make acoustic instruments out of and all i have is an sm57 > ALL you have? again - mho, and please note that it, and a token, will get you on the subway - but if you have but one mic in your life it is so totally the one to have. let no one sully the honor of the noble 57. you can do lots, lots worse. > so i've been putting it off. < that's ok - the point is, you'll buy more than one new mic in your life. and really, no one mic is ever gonna "do it all". really. you gotta jump in somewhere - just remind yourself, "this is only the beginning". > i mean i'd LOVE a pair of akg 414s but who has that kind of cash laying around? < so save up, and start with one then. you will never regret it (once you regain consciousness) - but you won't use is on everything, all the time either. at least, not after 4 or 5 months of using it on everything all the time. you're gonna have to be honest in your assessments every time you mic up anything - sometimes that C1000S _is_ the answer, and those pricey km184's go back into the locker. < c1000s are more in my price range so if they're what i'm after that'd be great > trouble is, you'll only know by living with it in a variety of situations for a little while, and even then - you'll need other mics to form a basis for comparison. most mics exhibit coloration. hell, that's why you choose them! is the coloration of a given mic working for you in a given situation? can't tell you how often i break out a couple of tiny, plastic mics i have that came with original-issue mono cassette recorders (yknow, the mics with the "start/stop" switches on em?) cause they have a certain, special sound. ok, not a very GOOD sound.... but when it's the RIGHT sound.... i'm not the first person to say this. i'm not even the best person to say it... but: mics are just like an artists' paintbrushes. look at how a painter chooses a particular brush for a particular effect or nuance. you wouldn't see renoir use a castell camelhair pinpoint to paint the new addition on his house. and you won't see albini do that either. the only problems with this little example being that renoir is dead, and albini already owns every mic in the world. in matched pairs, but you get the idea. get that collection going! start slow. keep adding. and have A GREAT TIME DOING IT!!!!! ok! ok! i'm done! a:c ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_11181578==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
From: "diatom drone" <skincage@infin8ty.com>

>
is this a good mic for sampling in general?
<

i am sorry to say, when it comes to microphones there really, really is no "general".

really.

life would be much easier if this were not true - but imho, if you are going to spend any meaningful portion of the time you have on earth devoted to this pursuit of recording, _please_ consider the parallel devotion to the slow, methodical accumulation of a decent mic collection.

think of it like stamps, coins, masterworks in oil, whatever you got to do, but embrace that concept.

yes, you'll use the C1000S. it'll work for you, yes. then one day you're going to be at some studio that has a pair of earthworks omnis and you're gonna wonder where you've been all your life.

<
i've been collecting junk to make acoustic instruments out of and all i have is an sm57
>

ALL you have? again - mho, and please note that it, and a token, will get you on the subway - but if you have but one mic in your life it is so totally the one to have. let no one sully the honor of the noble 57. you can do lots, lots worse.

>
so i've been putting it off.
<

that's ok - the point is, you'll buy more than one new mic in your life. and really, no one mic is ever gonna "do it all". really. you gotta jump in somewhere - just remind yourself, "this is only the beginning".

>
i mean i'd LOVE a pair of akg 414s but who has that kind of cash laying
around?
<

so save up, and start with one then. you will never regret it (once you regain consciousness) - but you won't use is on everything, all the time either. at least, not after 4 or 5 months of using it on everything all the time.

you're gonna have to be honest in your assessments every time you mic up anything - sometimes that C1000S _is_ the answer, and those pricey km184's go back into the locker.

<
c1000s are more in my price range so if they're what i'm after
that'd be great
>

trouble is, you'll only know by living with it in a variety of situations for a little while, and even then - you'll need other mics to form a basis for comparison. most mics exhibit coloration. hell, that's why you choose them! is the coloration of a given mic working for you in a given situation? can't tell you how often i break out a couple of tiny, plastic mics i have that came with original-issue mono cassette recorders (yknow, the mics with the "start/stop" switches on em?) cause they have a certain, special sound.

ok, not a very GOOD sound.... but when it's the RIGHT sound....

i'm not the first person to say this. i'm not even the best person to say it... but:

mics are just like an artists' paintbrushes. look at how a painter chooses a particular brush for a particular effect or nuance. you wouldn't see renoir use a castell camelhair pinpoint to paint the new addition on his house.

and you won't see albini do that either.

the only problems with this little example being that renoir is dead, and albini already owns every mic in the world. in matched pairs, but you get the idea.

get that collection going! start slow. keep adding. and have A GREAT TIME DOING IT!!!!!

ok! ok! i'm done!

a:c

++++++++
just what the world needs....
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--=====================_11181578==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 14:14:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05295; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:11:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:11:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE19D54.B20D9053@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:07:01 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mic rant, and then i'll disappear again. i swear. References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011101131835.00ab3790@mail.pdfsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2ncO9.A.IOB.w1Z47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anti:clockwise wrote: > > trouble is, you'll only know by living with it in a variety of > situations for a little while, and even then - you'll need other mics > to form a basis for comparison. most mics exhibit coloration. hell, > that's why you choose them! is the coloration of a given mic working > for you in a given situation? can't tell you how often i break out a > couple of tiny, plastic mics i have that came with original-issue mono > cassette recorders (yknow, the mics with the "start/stop" switches on > em?) cause they have a certain, special sound. > > ok, not a very GOOD sound.... but when it's the RIGHT sound.... Hey, I just got done reading a pretty decent article in last months Electronic Musician about this very subject. And while I'm at it, one of the best cheap mic values I've ever come across is the $50 RadioShack PZM. If you come across one in your travels, pick it up. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 14:43:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07414; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAl3sbmb/pJuJKBGWngplUxRA1eegCFQCuz6Z3w1/phosHSG44aa0wyTeBVg== From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:38:39 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) Message-ID: <1938-3BE1A4BF-2330@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Christensen, Mark" 's message of Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:40:19 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to use the cs1000 on my Udu drum but had problems with feedback trying to get it loud enough in the mix so I could hear myself over the other bandmates. So miking something delicate might be a problem. But I overcame all my feedback problems by using cordless in ear monitors. I also switched to a Countryman Isomax microphone on the udu which is fantasic. Just my $.o2 worth. Also, greetings I'm new to the list. Got turned on to to the listserver from Rick Walker AKA(Loop pool). I've already learned much. Thanks and Many Blessings. BongoBillyBuddha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23067; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:35:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:35:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011101223400.10995.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1938-3BE1A4BF-2330@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've also use the Countryman Isomax on my ghatam, and tamboura with pretty good results. I've been tempted to get in-ear monitors, but was scared away by the price. Which in-ear monitors do you use, and are you happy with them? Stephen --- William Mcallister wrote: > I used to use the cs1000 on my Udu drum but had > problems with feedback > trying to get it loud enough in the mix so I could > hear myself over the > other bandmates. So miking something delicate might > be a problem. But I > overcame all my feedback problems by using cordless > in ear monitors. I > also switched to a Countryman Isomax microphone on > the udu which is > fantasic. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 17:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23852; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:44:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:44:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:47:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Resent-Message-ID: <5nOZFB.A.RzF.tAd47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Funkay! The RC-20 does in fact have an undoe function. You must fist store a loop in memory, then if you decide to overdub on top of it, you can erase your overdub(s) without destroying the loop in memory, however I don't know if you can perform this feature while the loop is going, ei.. I believe you must stop the loop to perform this function. i don't own one, but I checked it out pretty thouroughly and it is indeed a worthy box, and I too like its diminutive size and simplicity. Loop On chillyb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:06:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26127; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:03:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:03:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:05:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: RE: Hypercardioid microphones (+ Tabla/C1000 content) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Though I'm not sure if it is technically a hyper-cardioid mic, the Audio Technica 4055, the handheld cardioid microphone member of the great AT40 series of mics is a worthy candidate. This thing sounds much like my large diaphram 4050, but much better stage friendly feedback reduction, very low handling noise, and absolutely stunning sound, very open and transparant. I've used it on vocals, acoustic guitars, and have heard it used on hand drums and even pianos with great results, I gave one to my girlfreind for Christmas last year, and let me tell you fellas, it was the right thing to do. I actually lucked in to a b-stock one that had been used at the 2000 Grammys which got me to wondering if Celine Dion or Britney Spears might have breathed on it. One can only hope.... chillyb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:18:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26914; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:15:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c16426$1f6c2340$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> <3BE12AC0.6D99A6A3@pathcom.com> Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 21:12:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <56RZDD.A.ziG.ncd47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What did you guy's think of the hiss on the created loop. it realy turned me off the whole thing, I would'nt be supprised if the sample rate was far below the headrush, and the headrush is great for quick results and has an undo funtion. a great live tool. As with the ARSY-20 that thing is $850 in australia, what a waste of money! Obviously every one is very different from one another. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hutton" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 > Glad to hear your comments and I concur with your point of view. > I purchased mine at the same time as the Repeater. At that time there was a lot > of issues to address regarding the the Repeater. I did not get into the RC-20 > for for some time. When I got around to it I was delighted. > It is not full featured as some of the more expensive items out there, but I > love it! > I use it as a studio aid in the Looping and efx section of my studio, usually > feeding it samples from a laptop. The RC-20 allows me to record a silent loop > of a good period of time and the allows me to work all the Trks in overdub > mode. It does have a limited functionality, however it's simplicity is great! > At this price you cannot beat it. > > Chris hutton > > Funkay wrote: > > > I paid about $280 (including the power supply which was extra) for this nice > > shiny new boss pedal. I was hoping for a lower cost boomerang for practicing > > and to use live. My biggest concerns were with how well it would work with > > other instruments because for the most part it seems to be marketed as a > > guitar pedal. All my concerns were answered and this thing is working great > > after about 3 weeks of use. 5 1/2 minutes of sampling time, plus you can > > save your loops! I consider myself a little spoiled after playing for a year > > or two with an EDP but I was not at all let down by this pedal. Its great > > for practicing, but live performance is another thing...It only has two > > pedals onboard, leaving the rest of its features as buttons which can't be > > pressed with your feet. I bend over quite a bit to mess with things. The > > other complaint is there is no undo function. Screw up and theres no going > > back. The sound quality is good, but boss seems to be keeping the sample > > rate a secret. > > > > I really like this pedal. It certainly compares to the boomerang or the line > > 6 DL4 and in my opinion it outranks both. Its built very strong and I would > > trust it to use live. Every once in a while it has a glitch and puts a short > > delay in between hitting the pedals and stopping the loop, but it only seems > > to happen within the first few minutes of starting it up. Other than my few > > complaints, boss has put together a very good product, especially > > considering the price. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:44:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28361; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE1DE29.378E889C@pathcom.com> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:43:37 -0500 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 References: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> <3BE12AC0.6D99A6A3@pathcom.com> <003501c16426$1f6c2340$02000003@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What Hiss are you referring to? Please be specific, so I can check it out. What was your source input and output setting? I have heard about this Hiss problem in the past, but not first hand. If there is anything hissing in my studio I here it right away. cameron street wrote: > What did you guy's think of the hiss on the created loop. > it realy turned me off the whole thing, > I would'nt be supprised if the sample rate was far below > the headrush, and the headrush is great for quick results > and has an undo funtion. a great live tool. > As with the ARSY-20 > that thing is $850 in australia, what a waste of money! > Obviously every one is very different from one another. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hutton" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 2:58 AM > Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 > > > Glad to hear your comments and I concur with your point of view. > > I purchased mine at the same time as the Repeater. At that time there was > a lot > > of issues to address regarding the the Repeater. I did not get into the > RC-20 > > for for some time. When I got around to it I was delighted. > > It is not full featured as some of the more expensive items out there, but > I > > love it! > > I use it as a studio aid in the Looping and efx section of my studio, > usually > > feeding it samples from a laptop. The RC-20 allows me to record a silent > loop > > of a good period of time and the allows me to work all the Trks in overdub > > mode. It does have a limited functionality, however it's simplicity is > great! > > At this price you cannot beat it. > > > > Chris hutton > > > > Funkay wrote: > > > > > I paid about $280 (including the power supply which was extra) for this > nice > > > shiny new boss pedal. I was hoping for a lower cost boomerang for > practicing > > > and to use live. My biggest concerns were with how well it would work > with > > > other instruments because for the most part it seems to be marketed as a > > > guitar pedal. All my concerns were answered and this thing is working > great > > > after about 3 weeks of use. 5 1/2 minutes of sampling time, plus you can > > > save your loops! I consider myself a little spoiled after playing for a > year > > > or two with an EDP but I was not at all let down by this pedal. Its > great > > > for practicing, but live performance is another thing...It only has two > > > pedals onboard, leaving the rest of its features as buttons which can't > be > > > pressed with your feet. I bend over quite a bit to mess with things. The > > > other complaint is there is no undo function. Screw up and theres no > going > > > back. The sound quality is good, but boss seems to be keeping the sample > > > rate a secret. > > > > > > I really like this pedal. It certainly compares to the boomerang or the > line > > > 6 DL4 and in my opinion it outranks both. Its built very strong and I > would > > > trust it to use live. Every once in a while it has a glitch and puts a > short > > > delay in between hitting the pedals and stopping the loop, but it only > seems > > > to happen within the first few minutes of starting it up. Other than my > few > > > complaints, boss has put together a very good product, especially > > > considering the price. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 18:47:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28531; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:45:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:47:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: midi footcontroller Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm leaning towards a Digital Music Ground Controller to drive my soon to be purchased Repeator but I'm willing to consider something cheaper as long as it has at least one expression pedal out. Anyone have any suggestions? Including used, and, or, discontinued stuff. Also has any new Repeator owner discovered if they can control loop volume, tempo, pitch, etc. via a midi Continuous Controller and if there is any noticeable zippering. Thanks for the feeeeeeeeeeddddddddddbackkkkk chillyb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 19:02:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30250; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:00:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:00:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: chillyb@cruzio.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:00:42 -0800 Subject: Re: midi footcontroller Message-ID: <20011101.160042.208.11.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,9-12,14-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: <091vjC.A.mXH.HHe47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey chilly et al, i bought a peavey mfc 10 and am waiting for it to show up. it has ten buttons (ten banks of ten presets) and provisions for 2 expression pedals. i've mentioned this both here and at the electrix site and noone replied. i bought mine for about $120USD and the place still has 2 left if anyone is interested. you can still download the manual from peavey too. it was designed for one of their midi amps, but it also sends standard midi messages, so i don't see why it wouldn't work? seems like a great controller to me! tho' i do say that before getting it :-) tony On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:47:20 -0800 "William R. Walker," writes: > I'm leaning towards a Digital Music Ground Controller to drive my > soon to > be purchased Repeator but I'm willing to consider something cheaper > as long > as it has at least one expression pedal out. Anyone have any > suggestions? > Including used, and, or, discontinued stuff. Also has any new > Repeator > owner discovered if they can control loop volume, tempo, pitch, etc. > via a > midi Continuous Controller and if there is any noticeable > zippering. > Thanks for the feeeeeeeeeeddddddddddbackkkkk > chillyb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 19:12:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31037; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:09:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c16332$6ef43fa0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Akai S3000 or... Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:07:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C162EF.5C3B9900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C162EF.5C3B9900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all- I'm looking at 2 diff of these - S3000XL and a CD3000- anyone = know if these are any good compared to latest models? I also can't tell = if the cd model is any diff than the zip model in features other than = the removeable media drives-=20 Could these be used like a sound module to drive diff midi sound = sources? Is there any sequencing on board? Sorry for the OT- but I will be looping like crazy with whatever I get! = :) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C162EF.5C3B9900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all- I'm looking at 2 diff of these - S3000XL and = a CD3000-=20 anyone know if these are any good compared to latest models? I also = can't tell=20 if the cd model is any diff than the zip model in features other than = the=20 removeable media drives-
 
Could these be used like a sound module to drive = diff midi=20 sound sources? Is there any sequencing on board?
 
Sorry for the OT- but I will be looping like crazy = with=20 whatever I get! :)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C162EF.5C3B9900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 19:17:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31333; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:15:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:15:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011101160847.00b9ece0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:12:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: midi footcontroller In-Reply-To: <20011101.160042.208.11.tony-moore@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Something to watch out for as far as 'standard midi messages' go, many foot contollers (most?) only send a subset of 'standard' midi messages. If you only want to send program changes, then you don't need to question what subset that might be since program change support is the one thing that is always supported. At 04:00 PM 2001/11/01 -0800, someone wrote: >i bought a peavey mfc 10 and am waiting for it to show up. it has ten >buttons (ten banks of ten presets) and provisions for 2 expression >pedals. i've mentioned this both here and at the electrix site and noone >replied. i bought mine for about $120USD and the place still has 2 left >if anyone is interested. you can still download the manual from peavey >too. it was designed for one of their midi amps, but it also sends >standard midi messages, so i don't see why it wouldn't work? seems like a >great controller to me! tho' i do say that before getting it :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 19:34:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32296; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:32:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:32:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011101192827.007f29e0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:28:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 In-Reply-To: <003501c16426$1f6c2340$02000003@mpx.com.au> References: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> <3BE12AC0.6D99A6A3@pathcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:12 PM 11/2/01 -0800, you wrote: >What did you guy's think of the hiss on the created loop. >it realy turned me off the whole thing, I really didn't notice all that much hiss with mine; for me, the perception of lower fidelity has more to do with the high frequency roll-off, which I thought was pretty close to the older (nonplussed?) version of the Boomerang. >I would'nt be supprised if the sample rate was far below >the headrush, Absolutely. Mine's sitting right next to my Headrush, so it's pretty easy to a/b them for instant comparison. A friend of mine has a similar setup with a Headrush and a DL-4, and of the three, the Headrush has by far the highest audio fidelity but probably the most limited functionality. They all have their pros and cons; I actually use the RC-20 quite a bit because of the long loop time, but I've learned that it's not so good for building up too many massed layers as it overloads way earlier than do my other loopers. And having to hold that button for two seconds to clear the previous loop is a pain. As for the undo, neither of them really have the flexibility to undo just the most recent of several layers; the Headrush can take you back to the base layer which is useful, but you can't undo ONLY the last cycle like you could with a more sophisticated box (EDP, et al). I don't consider the RC-20's so-called "undo" to be all that useful for real-time use, because unless you've saved a loop into one of the canned memory locations (a little bit impractical in real time) and are playing on top of it, it really doesn't HAVE an undo. Again, they both have their own strengths AND weaknesses, and I'm finding that they work pretty well in tandem. >As with the ARSY-20 >that thing is $850 in australia, what a waste of money! Ouch. (Just for comparison's sake, what's the going rate down under for the other loopers on the market? EDP, Repeater, 'Rang, DL-4, Headrush...) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07936; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:31:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:31:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:29:24 -0500 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [loop nyc] progress with NYC loopfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There has been progress since my last update. 1. more names. Of course, there are more people interested: I have a more complete list of names of people interested which I'll post a little later this week -- see below. 2. chashama. I did make phone contact with Chashama. They were friendly but non-committal. (Which is good -- they probably deny most requests immediately.) I agreed to send PR materials and a logistical plan, informally for Monday. email is fine. More on that below -- but here's the plan I'm hatching. 3. A bigger plan. I am going to propose a three-day meeting here in New York with two nights of concerts in a place where we can keep our gear set up. It will probably have to be on three weekdays... I think that this is a more attractive plan for almost everyone with a lot less stress and tons more fun. 4. group questions I'm going to write up the plans more specifically but first I want to ask some questions of the group. 4.1. help booking? In my current incarnation, I realize that I'm bad at booking. My day job is in an open-plan office and everyone hears everything I do, so I just don't make phone calls. I have Chashama in-hand but if this falls through, which is probably a better than even chance just given the intransigent nature of the universe, we're going to have to scale the thing down and then try to book it into a bunch of places. Any volunteers who are good at this? I didn't have all the facts at my fingertips when I called Chashama and thus I didn't come off as completely professional. I'm going to get more of the facts compiled from you lot (see questions below!) 4.2. Other spots that would allow a workshop. If Chashama doesn't bite, it's not clear that there will be a place that will let us do the workshop in the day and play at night. Any ideas? 4.3. Web design. I can support a website fine on my server. But design is not really my bag. (I'd do something with one of my photos http://clikTrik.com if I had to I suppose... a la http://fortNY.com) Any web designers here (after all the abuse you've taken here recently?) 4.4. PR materials. Do we have any materials about the various California Looper's shows (and what's the exact name?)? How many people showed up? How many players? How long? Who? etc. etc. Any other materials that might help us book a gig? Best list of famous loopers? Short list of names that are interested and a draw? 4.5. VISUALS! How could I forget this? If we are going to do loopy shows, we need loopy visuals. I think I can get people to do this though. If someone who does this is on the list and interested (there is at least one person who might fit this bill) then that would be even better. Don't let me drop this on the floor. 4.6. T-shirts! If someone wanted to make T-shirts... we'd need something interesting though. simple suggestion: a simple design describing the show except that we cut two quite large perfect circles out of the T-shirt "randomly". loops, get it? people like holes in things. a lot of people like a chance to show off their bodies or just to have layers... so they can wear their looper t-shirt and something else cool underneath that that just peeks out... (at least, people in New York do!) 4.7. Outreach to EDP, Electrix, music stores!? If we are going to do a show like this then surely the manufacturers would want to have a little chance to show off their wares and answer questions? Another nice possibility would be loaner instruments for out-of-country visitors? Does anyone want to volunteer for this fun job? 4.9. Co-organizers needed! If we do such a large thing (and I'm still VERY open to having two or three groups get together and play a night at the Knit) I'm going to need help with the organization of this. I can handle the technical logistics well and it will all work perfectly. Serving and managing the website is ok too. I'd love to offload the calling people up and getting people's details and that sort of information to someone else. I have a list... Volunteers solicted! 4.10. Full bands?? I'm of two minds about whether we should allow full bands with a live drummer to play. The moment we introduce live drums, we move the PA requirements up if he's a hard-hitting rock drummer. A jazz drummer -- or any drummer who doesn't play loud all the time -- would probably be fine. Am I being too draconian? 5. Logistical plan for the show. I'm going to write up a logistical plan based on about two dozen looping performers attending the conference (meeting? collective? hang? activity? thing?) perhaps another three dozen drop-ins who'd come to see the workshops and perhaps fifteen formal "acts" over three evenings where we'd advertise and charge admission to the public. the first night would be "random loops" and we could charge $3 and make it an "open loop jam". warn people how terrible it could be. And a three and a half day meeting. We'd have to throw ourselves on the mercy of the venue for the space. But Chashama indicated that they were much more open to weekdays. first day, load in and show. worst Sun, best Thursday. second day, workshop and show, Mon, Fri third day, jam and show. Tue, Sat half day, load out. Wed, Sun We might charge $20-60 to attend all three days and $5-15 for each show? That sort of thing? Of course, if you came for the days, the show would be free. This would give a lot of people who want to loop with others a chance to play and jam in a friendly experimental atmosphere where you can simply stop and fiddle with the gear for a while. and people with acts that they want to push or that might be a draw can play more formally in the evenings. 6. More comments from you are solicited. Am I overreaching? Is it too big a thing? I think it's almost as easy to organize three days as a long complicated evening, frankly. And it will be EASIER to pull off when we do it. I was sweating about the logistics of that quick load-in for one night. We won't need that! It'll be much more of a reason for people to come out of town. If you're coming from Europe or Asia, it isn't worth coming for a single day, but three days is a bite-sized meal -- take a few extra days to see New York and you have a splendid vacation. We'll generate tons and tons of material if we make a point of recording everything and we can have a lot of fun. Doing it for two days -- or three! gives people a chance to stretch out a little bit. In fact, I suspect that three days is the optimum: one day to set up and get to know each other; one day to actually workshop; one day to play. Perhaps I'll try to book that (I mean, three is as easy as two, if you think about it -- there's no difference in the organization) and then if they DON'T like that we can "back off" to two days? Chashama is a perfect location. If we do it on a weekday, we could set up there and perhaps even have loopers SLEEPING there, the ULTIMATE in security! So we could leave all the gear set up for the whole time and not worry about it -- it'd be a riot! (Crime is very very low in New York. You are much more likely to get robbed or killed in London, eg, than New York City! And there are police everywhere around Times Square right now. But you must always take precautions everywhere.) 7. What next? I'm going to prepare a logistical plan. You're going to send me answers to my questions, opinions and just plain abuse. The domain has been purchased and it has been installed on the server, in a couple of days you'll all be able to see the web site though there will be little on it. Someone, hopefully not me, will put html and images to make a nice neat little web site there. I'll get the list of names up on the new site then in an unpretty style like before and then we can turn that into a nice web site. On Monday or thereabouts I'll send the information to Chashama, which will consist of: -- a one page description -- a simple web site (names, description, pr) -- a logistical proposal of how it will work. http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 21:47:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08484; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:45:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:45:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c16348$eb0d5840$6da65e18@kc.rr.com> From: "John Yoakum" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:48:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C16316.A0408DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C16316.A0408DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I enjoy getting Emails from you folks ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C16316.A0408DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C16316.A0408DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 1 22:55:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12245; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a401c16351$c69467c0$0200a8c0@boop> From: "Funkay" To: References: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> <3BE12AC0.6D99A6A3@pathcom.com> <003501c16426$1f6c2340$02000003@mpx.com.au> Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:52:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've found it to be very quiet. No noise, and no digital hiss that you would get from a lower sample rate. Can you be more specific? I did check out the headrush and liked it but what compelled me to buy the rc-20 was the very long sample time. The repeater and echoplex (my favorite) were too expenive for me. Of course when I win the lotto I'll buy them all... ----- Original Message ----- From: cameron street To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 > What did you guy's think of the hiss on the created loop. > it realy turned me off the whole thing, > I would'nt be supprised if the sample rate was far below > the headrush, and the headrush is great for quick results > and has an undo funtion. a great live tool. > As with the ARSY-20 > that thing is $850 in australia, what a waste of money! > Obviously every one is very different from one another. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 01:17:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22033; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c16460$d93d5d40$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> <3BE12AC0.6D99A6A3@pathcom.com> <3.0.5.32.20011101192827.007f29e0@pop.metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 04:12:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These are approximate prices. The Headrush just went up from$300 to $350. The EPD are hard to come buy, last i heard, $1800 The repeater is $1700 You won't see a boomarang in australia, wihch sounds funny. The DL4 which i use with the Headrush is about $800. I'm waiting for a headrush with much longer time. Maybe i should check out a boomarang. ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 > At 09:12 PM 11/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > >What did you guy's think of the hiss on the created loop. > >it realy turned me off the whole thing, > > I really didn't notice all that much hiss with mine; for me, the perception > of lower fidelity has more to do with the high frequency roll-off, which I > thought was pretty close to the older (nonplussed?) version of the Boomerang. > > >I would'nt be supprised if the sample rate was far below > >the headrush, > > Absolutely. Mine's sitting right next to my Headrush, so it's pretty easy > to a/b them for instant comparison. A friend of mine has a similar setup > with a Headrush and a DL-4, and of the three, the Headrush has by far the > highest audio fidelity but probably the most limited functionality. They > all have their pros and cons; I actually use the RC-20 quite a bit because > of the long loop time, but I've learned that it's not so good for building > up too many massed layers as it overloads way earlier than do my other > loopers. And having to hold that button for two seconds to clear the > previous loop is a pain. > > As for the undo, neither of them really have the flexibility to undo just > the most recent of several layers; the Headrush can take you back to the > base layer which is useful, but you can't undo ONLY the last cycle like you > could with a more sophisticated box (EDP, et al). I don't consider the > RC-20's so-called "undo" to be all that useful for real-time use, because > unless you've saved a loop into one of the canned memory locations (a > little bit impractical in real time) and are playing on top of it, it > really doesn't HAVE an undo. Again, they both have their own strengths AND > weaknesses, and I'm finding that they work pretty well in tandem. > > >As with the ARSY-20 > >that thing is $850 in australia, what a waste of money! > > Ouch. (Just for comparison's sake, what's the going rate down under for the > other loopers on the market? EDP, Repeater, 'Rang, DL-4, Headrush...) > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 01:31:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22524; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c16462$c9e846a0$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <001001c1628e$040b1dc0$0200a8c0@boop> <3BE12AC0.6D99A6A3@pathcom.com> <003501c16426$1f6c2340$02000003@mpx.com.au> <3BE1DE29.378E889C@pathcom.com> Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 04:26:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4fYnZB.A.YfF.qzj47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With the ARSY-20, i tried active and passive basses. I plugged straight into it, then to the amp. and tried the different levels, of the instrument level and level, funnily enough. the hiss was on only the play back of the loop. the loop lacked top end. The pre recorded loops, that are on the thing sounded fine. If i recorded a loopwhere, the notes sarted and stopped, the hiss stopped in between the notes, so it was only on the notes. catch me. I'm mean, this is what i found, it may be complete different story for some of guys, this is [just] one guys opinion. thank you good night. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hutton" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 > What Hiss are you referring to? Please be specific, so I can check it out. > What was your source input and output setting? > I have heard about this Hiss problem in the past, but not first hand. > If there is anything hissing in my studio I here it right away. > > cameron street wrote: > > > What did you guy's think of the hiss on the created loop. > > it realy turned me off the whole thing, > > I would'nt be supprised if the sample rate was far below > > the headrush, and the headrush is great for quick results > > and has an undo funtion. a great live tool. > > As with the ARSY-20 > > that thing is $850 in australia, what a waste of money! > > Obviously every one is very different from one another. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "hutton" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 2:58 AM > > Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 > > > > > Glad to hear your comments and I concur with your point of view. > > > I purchased mine at the same time as the Repeater. At that time there was > > a lot > > > of issues to address regarding the the Repeater. I did not get into the > > RC-20 > > > for for some time. When I got around to it I was delighted. > > > It is not full featured as some of the more expensive items out there, but > > I > > > love it! > > > I use it as a studio aid in the Looping and efx section of my studio, > > usually > > > feeding it samples from a laptop. The RC-20 allows me to record a silent > > loop > > > of a good period of time and the allows me to work all the Trks in overdub > > > mode. It does have a limited functionality, however it's simplicity is > > great! > > > At this price you cannot beat it. > > > > > > Chris hutton > > > > > > Funkay wrote: > > > > > > > I paid about $280 (including the power supply which was extra) for this > > nice > > > > shiny new boss pedal. I was hoping for a lower cost boomerang for > > practicing > > > > and to use live. My biggest concerns were with how well it would work > > with > > > > other instruments because for the most part it seems to be marketed as a > > > > guitar pedal. All my concerns were answered and this thing is working > > great > > > > after about 3 weeks of use. 5 1/2 minutes of sampling time, plus you can > > > > save your loops! I consider myself a little spoiled after playing for a > > year > > > > or two with an EDP but I was not at all let down by this pedal. Its > > great > > > > for practicing, but live performance is another thing...It only has two > > > > pedals onboard, leaving the rest of its features as buttons which can't > > be > > > > pressed with your feet. I bend over quite a bit to mess with things. The > > > > other complaint is there is no undo function. Screw up and theres no > > going > > > > back. The sound quality is good, but boss seems to be keeping the sample > > > > rate a secret. > > > > > > > > I really like this pedal. It certainly compares to the boomerang or the > > line > > > > 6 DL4 and in my opinion it outranks both. Its built very strong and I > > would > > > > trust it to use live. Every once in a while it has a glitch and puts a > > short > > > > delay in between hitting the pedals and stopping the loop, but it only > > seems > > > > to happen within the first few minutes of starting it up. Other than my > > few > > > > complaints, boss has put together a very good product, especially > > > > considering the price. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 08:00:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10389; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:56:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:56:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.12.107.27] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:54:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 12:54:03.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[73000140:01C1639D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Om and In...... Hi Bill I saw your posts on loopers-delight... I have a repeater that's still in the box...I was going to maybe see if we could hook it up to capture some loops...I have the RC 20 as well and I like it alot...I need to consolidate my rig so I don't have soooooooo much stuff to haul around. Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow. Dave > >Yo Funkay! The RC-20 does in fact have an undoe function. You must fist >store a loop in memory, then if you decide to overdub on top of it, you can >erase your overdub(s) without destroying the loop in memory, however I >don't know if you can perform this feature while the loop is going, ei.. I >believe you must stop the loop to perform this function. i don't own one, >but I checked it out pretty thouroughly and it is indeed a worthy box, and >I too like its diminutive size and simplicity. >Loop On >chillyb > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 09:25:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17821; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:22:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:22:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:22:21 +0000 Subject: Question: EDP powering up problem From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Here I have a new EDP that sometimes doesn't power up when pushing the button. But if I unplug the power chord and then put it back the display lightens up and the machine comes to life. I'm running it in the 230 volt mode (European current). Sorry about this kind of off topic technical question. It's not what you'd expect from a new piece of gear and I'm wondering if any of you know what could possibly cause this malfunction? BTW I think it's a fantastic instrument! This little problem is ok during rehearsals but I just cannot take it to a gig sound check that way ;-) Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 10:49:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22525; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:47:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:47:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.246.79.179] From: "Terry Lewis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [loop nyc] progress with NYC loopfest Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:45:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 15:45:06.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[588E8490:01C163B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Young Vant Garde is ready to assist you. Kid Lucky >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" >Subject: [loop nyc] progress with NYC loopfest >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:29:24 -0500 > >There has been progress since my last update. > > >1. more names. > >Of course, there are more people interested: >I have a more complete list of names of people interested >which I'll post a little later this week -- see below. > > >2. chashama. > >I did make phone contact with Chashama. They were friendly >but non-committal. (Which is good -- they probably deny >most requests immediately.) > >I agreed to send PR materials and a logistical plan, >informally for Monday. email is fine. > >More on that below -- but here's the plan I'm hatching. > > >3. A bigger plan. > >I am going to propose a three-day meeting here in New York >with two nights of concerts in a place where we can keep >our gear set up. It will probably have to be on three >weekdays... > >I think that this is a more attractive plan for almost >everyone with a lot less stress and tons more fun. > > >4. group questions > >I'm going to write up the plans more specifically but first I want to >ask some questions of the group. > > >4.1. help booking? > >In my current incarnation, I realize that I'm bad at booking. >My day job is in an open-plan office and everyone hears everything >I do, so I just don't make phone calls. > >I have Chashama in-hand but if this falls through, which is probably >a better than even chance just given the intransigent nature of the >universe, we're going to have to scale the thing down and then try >to book it into a bunch of places. > >Any volunteers who are good at this? > >I didn't have all the facts at my fingertips when I called Chashama >and thus I didn't come off as completely professional. > >I'm going to get more of the facts compiled from you lot (see questions >below!) > > > >4.2. Other spots that would allow a workshop. > >If Chashama doesn't bite, it's not clear that there will be a place >that will let us do the workshop in the day and play at night. > >Any ideas? > > >4.3. Web design. > >I can support a website fine on my server. > >But design is not really my bag. > >(I'd do something with one of my photos >http://clikTrik.com if I had to I suppose... >a la http://fortNY.com) > >Any web designers here (after all the abuse you've taken here recently?) > > >4.4. PR materials. > >Do we have any materials about the various California Looper's >shows (and what's the exact name?)? How many people showed >up? How many players? How long? Who? etc. etc. > >Any other materials that might help us book a gig? > >Best list of famous loopers? > >Short list of names that are interested and a draw? > > >4.5. VISUALS! > >How could I forget this? If we are going to do >loopy shows, we need loopy visuals. > > >I think I can get people to do this though. >If someone who does this is on the list and interested >(there is at least one person who might fit this bill) >then that would be even better. > >Don't let me drop this on the floor. > > >4.6. T-shirts! > >If someone wanted to make T-shirts... we'd need something interesting >though. > >simple suggestion: a simple design describing the show except that >we cut two quite large perfect circles out of the T-shirt "randomly". > >loops, get it? > >people like holes in things. a lot of people >like a chance to show off their bodies or just to have layers... >so they can wear their looper t-shirt and something >else cool underneath that that just peeks out... > >(at least, people in New York do!) > > >4.7. Outreach to EDP, Electrix, music stores!? > >If we are going to do a show like this then surely the >manufacturers would want to have a little chance to >show off their wares and answer questions? > >Another nice possibility would be loaner instruments >for out-of-country visitors? > >Does anyone want to volunteer for this fun job? > > >4.9. Co-organizers needed! > >If we do such a large thing (and I'm still VERY open to >having two or three groups get together and play a >night at the Knit) I'm going to need help with the >organization of this. > >I can handle the technical logistics well and it will >all work perfectly. Serving and managing the website >is ok too. > >I'd love to offload the calling people up and >getting people's details and that sort of information >to someone else. I have a list... > >Volunteers solicted! > > >4.10. Full bands?? > >I'm of two minds about whether we should allow full bands >with a live drummer to play. > >The moment we introduce live drums, we move the PA requirements >up if he's a hard-hitting rock drummer. > >A jazz drummer -- or any drummer who doesn't play loud >all the time -- would probably be fine. > >Am I being too draconian? > > > > >5. Logistical plan for the show. > >I'm going to write up a logistical plan based on about two dozen looping >performers attending the conference (meeting? collective? hang? >activity? thing?) >perhaps another three dozen drop-ins who'd come to see the workshops > >and perhaps fifteen formal "acts" over three evenings where we'd advertise >and charge admission to the public. > >the first night would be "random loops" and we could charge $3 and >make it an "open loop jam". warn people how terrible it could be. > > > > >And a three and a half day meeting. > >We'd have to throw ourselves on the >mercy of the venue for the space. But Chashama indicated that >they were much more open to weekdays. > > > first day, load in and show. worst Sun, best Thursday. > second day, workshop and show, Mon, Fri > third day, jam and show. Tue, Sat > half day, load out. Wed, Sun > > >We might charge $20-60 to attend all three days and $5-15 for each show? >That sort of thing? > >Of course, if you came for the days, the show would be free. > > >This would give a lot of people who want to loop with others a chance >to play and jam in a friendly experimental atmosphere where you >can simply stop and fiddle with the gear for a while. > > >and people with acts that they want to push or that might be >a draw can play more formally in the evenings. > > > >6. More comments from you are solicited. > >Am I overreaching? Is it too big a thing? > >I think it's almost as easy to organize three days as >a long complicated evening, frankly. > >And it will be EASIER to pull off when we do it. >I was sweating about the logistics of that quick >load-in for one night. We won't need that! > > >It'll be much more of a reason for people to come out of town. >If you're coming from Europe or Asia, it isn't worth >coming for a single day, but three days is a bite-sized >meal -- take a few extra days to see New York and you >have a splendid vacation. > > >We'll generate tons and tons of material if we make a >point of recording everything and we can have a lot of fun. >Doing it for two days -- or three! gives people a chance to >stretch out a little bit. > >In fact, I suspect that three days is the optimum: one day >to set up and get to know each other; one day to actually workshop; >one day to play. Perhaps I'll try to book that (I mean, >three is as easy as two, if you think about it -- there's >no difference in the organization) and then if they >DON'T like that we can "back off" to two days? > > > >Chashama is a perfect location. If we do it on a weekday, >we could set up there and perhaps even have loopers >SLEEPING there, the ULTIMATE in security! So we could >leave all the gear set up for the whole time and not >worry about it -- it'd be a riot! > >(Crime is very very low in New York. You are much more >likely to get robbed or killed in London, eg, than New York City! >And there are police everywhere around Times Square right now. >But you must always take precautions everywhere.) > > > >7. What next? > >I'm going to prepare a logistical plan. > >You're going to send me answers to my questions, >opinions and just plain abuse. > >The domain has been purchased and it has been installed >on the server, in a couple of days you'll all be able >to see the web site though there will be little on it. > >Someone, hopefully not me, will put html and images >to make a nice neat little web site there. > >I'll get the list of names up on the new site >then in an unpretty style like before and then >we can turn that into a nice web site. > >On Monday or thereabouts I'll send the information >to Chashama, which will consist of: > >-- a one page description >-- a simple web site (names, description, pr) >-- a logistical proposal of how it will work. > > > > >http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. >http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. >http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 11:13:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24984; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:10:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQQKE7e4nwEEx/DdykY6pj1OWXY+QIUb+69HGl/bAXZPQf6r46TVylm/Lc= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:09:16 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Message-ID: <8224-3BE2C52C-1740@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: hutton 's message of Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:43:37 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So the RC-20 has an instrument line and a mic line which you can use at the same time. Does the line 6 dl-4 have that? Wich one is the better model? I'm ready to buy one of them. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 11:14:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25028; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:10:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:13:38 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Link has photos: http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 11:29:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26029; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:26:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:26:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c163b9$ff383da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:18:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm Alright, Jason!!!! That's quite a picture of stacked-up shirt boxes! Cool! Thank you (and your wife) for carrying through with this! I can hardly wait! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 11:39:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26344; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:35:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:35:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:34:11 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015301c163bc$33fd6310$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com many thanks for all the effort. > > Link has photos: > > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm > > -jas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 11:42:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26506; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:38:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:38:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c163bc$cabefc00$e1954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:38:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool photos, Jason! Thanks for all your hard work. Looking forward to the latest in loopwear :-) >Link has photos: > > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm > >-jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 11:44:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26704; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:40:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:40:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Message-Id: <021101306.31101@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:38:28 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, much applause for Jason! Thanks so much for pulling this together. You have been very generous with your time! -peter koniuto >--- Original Message --- >From: "Dennis Leas" >To: >Date: 11/2/01 11:18:23 AM > >> http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm > >Alright, Jason!!!! > >That's quite a picture of stacked-up shirt boxes! Cool! > >Thank you (and your wife) for carrying through with this! I can hardly >wait! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 11:54:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27310; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:50:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:50:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRDCpA7dle5a7XWqTf1EWY/G23/MQIUZvSnR+CyIHtbpJ+WHpXf87CzYqY= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:49:53 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) Message-ID: <8220-3BE2CEB1-3563@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Stephen 's message of Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:34:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <5YeGUC.A.GqG.E7s47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Stephen, I use the Shure PSM 400 wireless monitor system and I love it. It comes with the E1 earphone which is O.K. but lacks a some of the bottom end frequency. Just up grade to the E5 earphone after you save up a little money. It also has a 4 channel mixer so you can design your own mix. What I do is take the main mix in one channel, The keyboard or sequencer in another channel (because as you know you've got to be right on that sequece if your the drummer) the bass guitar in another channel so the rhythm section is right in the pocket, and my didjeridoo in another channel bcause thats a hard to hear instrumen. If I'm in a song and I cant hear something I just reach over and turn it up. But remember always start with the lowest mix possible, For hearing sake. Also if something gets to loud, like guitar feedback or a microphone the volume limiter cuts it off. I think there much better than floor monitors and more versatile. What other instruments do you play? whats your setup? Take care, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:05:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29005; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:01:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:01:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c163c0$2b2525d0$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:02:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You rock!!!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! > > Link has photos: > > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm > > -jas > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:09:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29333; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:05:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:05:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:02:36 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c163c0$2c46e980$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Jason! Miko here... I've lost me job, and may have given you that shipping address! Please send my shirt to me at home... Miko Biffle 4795 Emerald St. Capitola, CA. 95010 The shirts look great! Best, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Fink To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:13 AM Subject: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! > > Link has photos: > > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm > > -jas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29626; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:09:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:09:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8220-3BE2CEB1-3563@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <8220-3BE2CEB1-3563@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:06:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: in ear monitors... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, seeing the thread developing about in ear monitors, and thought i would pass on some info: www.ear-responsible.com check out this site...or google search "musician earplugs". i had a local audiologist mold custom earplugs for me when i was playing bass for a pretty loud band. they are awesome. they fit so nice, and don't tend to muddy up the sound as the squishy over the counter one's do. plus, they have variable attenuator filters that you can pop in, like -9db, -15db, and -25db. it ended up that the -9 ones worked pretty good for me, so i could still hear what was happening music-wise. (although i went to a gun firing range once, and the -25db filters were excellent for that!) i wish i had these things ten years ago when i was really smashing my eardrums. anyways...a local audiologist can do the molds, and then they send the molds in for the earplugs to be made. from what i know, these same molds can also be used to make the plug that the in-ear monitors go into, as well. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:13:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29638; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE2E1DB.C6FE283D@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:11:39 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Loop Shirts: Fun Facts. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Number of individual Address' Shipped to: 18 to California 4 to New York 3 to Oregon 3 to the United Kingdom 2 each to Germany, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania 1 each Washington State, Utah, New Mexico, and Texas 1 each New Hampshire, Michigan, Iowa, Indiana, and Ohio 1 each Georgia and Florida 1 each Japan, Canada, and Brazil (by way of California) California must be the Looper Shangri-La or something, Is it in the water or the air? Special thanks to Alto Music, in his unceasing support of us Looper folks. As if all the 'group buys' weren't enough, Jon bought 10 shirts for his staff! Yeah! A couple of orders will not be shipped right away, because of a screw up at the printer. We are going to address this as soon as possible, so don't dismay! later, -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:18:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30402; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BE2E1DB.C6FE283D@cabq.gov> References: <3BE2E1DB.C6FE283D@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:12:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loop Shirts: Fun Facts. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >California must be the Looper Shangri-La or something, >Is it in the water or the air? gawd, jason... we cali folks have enough of an unjustified superiority complex as it is! don't add fuel to the fire. :) thanks for the shirts! best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31003; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE2E4B7.3686CE38@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:23:51 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: T-shirt - Want Another Chance to get one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, since the printer screwed up and didn't send us all the right shirts in the right sizes & colors, he is gonna have to get out the ink and make a coupla more. This can be a opportunity to go ahead and order a few more shirts. If you are interested, please email me privatly (dont reply to this email!) about quanity, size, and color desired. I will look into getting them made at the same cost. Dont send me money right now, because i need to confirm this with mr. printer-guy. -jas dimmo@dimbulb.org Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 12:43:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31881; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:39:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:39:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c163c5$7b2cb840$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3BE2E1DB.C6FE283D@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Loop Shirts: Fun Facts. Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:40:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey wait, let me guess!!! They printed "UNSUBSCRIBE" on the back in big letters right!?!?!? Shotgun!! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: "Loopers" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Loop Shirts: Fun Facts. > A couple of orders will not be shipped right away, because of > a screw up at the printer. We are going to address this as soon > as possible, so don't dismay! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 13:08:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02680; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c163c9$5971efa0$a85330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> <006c01c163b9$ff383da0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:08:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool man i can't wait, it looks like you and your wife have gone throught a lot of trouble to do this. I'm sure everybody will join me in my thanks for you David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 13:13:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03152; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:11:04 -0800 Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, photos of workers slaving away, stacks of units on tables waiting to be boxed, boxes of product ready to ship, ... this is all too reminiscent of a certain other looper product we know about, isn't it? I don't want to have bug you later for an OS upgrade, are you sure the software is ready? :-) Allan, one of the Californian's on 11/2/01 9:13 AM, Jason Fink at jfink@cabq.gov wrote: > Link has photos: > > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm > > -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 15:34:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12114; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:31:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:31:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00742A8@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: gig spam, so cal style-y Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C163DC.CBCD0310" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163DC.CBCD0310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" late-ish notice: Fri. Nov. 2, 11 PM - Alex Cline Band of the Moment John Fumo - trumpet, flugelhorn Jeff Gauthier - electric violin Steuart Liebig - contrabassguitars, (some) loopage Wayne Peet - keyboards Alex Cline - drums, percussion Rocco 6320 Santa Monica Blvd. (at Whose Cafe) in Hollywood, just west of Vine Street, on the south side of Santa Monica Blvd. between Vine & Lillian Way. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C163DC.CBCD0310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" gig spam, so cal style-y

late-ish notice:


Fri. Nov. 2, 11 PM - Alex Cline Band of the Moment

John Fumo - trumpet, flugelhorn
Jeff Gauthier - electric violin
Steuart Liebig - contrabassguitars, (some) loopage
Wayne Peet - keyboards
Alex Cline - drums, percussion



Rocco
6320 Santa Monica Blvd.
(at Whose Cafe) in Hollywood,
just west of Vine Street, on the south side of Santa Monica Blvd. between
Vine & Lillian Way.



------_=_NextPart_001_01C163DC.CBCD0310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 15:38:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12350; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:34:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:34:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011102203335.50059.qmail@web14105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 07:33:35 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?salvatore=20salvo?= Subject: post To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com post salmidi@yahoo.com.au http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase - Manage your files online. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 15:48:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13147; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: TomHeasley@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:43:01 EST Subject: Re: Question: EDP powering up problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c6.10c10ec.29145f55_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c6.10c10ec.29145f55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of months ago, when powering up before a show, my EDP foot controller wouldn't work...Tim Nelson happened to be there and told me to unconnect/reconnect the jacks, after which it was fine - static electricity I seem to recall him saying it had to do with. Maybe related to your experience, which doesn't seem OT to me. TH --part1_c6.10c10ec.29145f55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of months ago, when powering up before a show, my EDP foot controller wouldn't work...Tim Nelson happened to be there and told me to unconnect/reconnect the jacks, after which it was fine - static electricity I seem to recall him saying it had to do with.  Maybe related to your experience, which doesn't seem OT to me.

TH --part1_c6.10c10ec.29145f55_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 15:51:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13378; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:48:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:48:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c163df$e4e7d520$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20011102203335.50059.qmail@web14105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: post Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:49:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <7poMu.A.FPD.rZw47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a fascinating post! ----- Original Message ----- From: "salvatore salvo" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: post > post > salmidi@yahoo.com.au > > http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase > - Manage your files online. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 15:58:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13842; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:55:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011102155122.007ef100@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:51:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! In-Reply-To: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which one of the boxes in the stack is the New Hampshire one? :-) BTW, that's a very cool piece of artwork on your wall! (The framed architectural-looking one...) Thanks for all yer efforts, and I'll be watching the mailbox for the shirt! -t- ps: I'll be posting gig spam in a few days regarding an upcoming Boston-area event; maybe I'll see the two Massachussetts shirts there! At 09:13 AM 11/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Link has photos: > > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 16:15:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15728; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:11:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:11:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Message-Id: <021101306.47409@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:10:10 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim: >ps: I'll be posting gig spam in a few days regarding an upcoming >Boston-area event; maybe I'll see the two Massachussetts shirts there! Since i ordered two shirts, they must both be mine. You'll see at least one at your Boston gig if you give enough heads-up! (We probably would've said hello at Ought-One had we had the shirts then...) -peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 16:16:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15787; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010001c163e3$3f3e2d50$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20011102155122.007ef100@pop.metrocast.net> Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:13:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1YqTLB.A.j1D.Kww47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm one of those Mass shirts! I'll be watching for the gig post ... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! > Which one of the boxes in the stack is the New Hampshire one? :-) > > BTW, that's a very cool piece of artwork on your wall! (The framed > architectural-looking one...) > > Thanks for all yer efforts, and I'll be watching the mailbox for the shirt! > > -t- > > ps: I'll be posting gig spam in a few days regarding an upcoming > Boston-area event; maybe I'll see the two Massachussetts shirts there! > > > At 09:13 AM 11/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Link has photos: > > > > http://dimbulb.org/shirt.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 16:18:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15939; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:15:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:13:47 -0800 Subject: Loop Shirts! addendum From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c163c0$2c46e980$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey miko-"you didnt 'lose' yer job-you know where it is,its just that when you go there,there is someone else doing it!"-thats a 'bob golthwait'(sp?) line and sorry about your situation-just trying to add a little levity in these trying times... stanner on 11/2/01 9:02 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > Hey Jason! > > Miko here... I've lost me job, and may have given you that shipping address! > Please send my shirt to me at home... > > Miko Biffle > 4795 Emerald St. > Capitola, CA. 95010 > > The shirts look great! > Best, > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 16:46:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17349; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:40:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:40:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c163e7$21f787b0$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <021101306.47409@webbox.com> Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:41:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, I ordered three, one of the orders is mine, and the other must be yours (he said orders not shirts). I just wanted to be clear about this!! ha! ;-) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "p koniuto" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! > > > Tim: > > >ps: I'll be posting gig spam in a few days regarding an upcoming > >Boston-area event; maybe I'll see the two Massachussetts shirts > there! > > > Since i ordered two shirts, they must both > be mine. You'll see at least one at your > Boston gig if you give enough heads-up! > > (We probably would've said hello at Ought-One > had we had the shirts then...) > > -peter koniuto > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 17:17:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19879; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:10:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 22:10:47.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[3999CE10:01C163EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steven Wright, actually. >From: Stan Card >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Loop Shirts! addendum >Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:13:47 -0800 > >hey miko-"you didnt 'lose' yer job-you know where it is,its just that when >you go there,there is someone else doing it!"-thats a 'bob golthwait'(sp?) >line and sorry about your situation-just trying to add a little levity in >these trying times... > >stanner > > > > >on 11/2/01 9:02 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > > > Hey Jason! > > > > Miko here... I've lost me job, and may have given you that shipping >address! > > Please send my shirt to me at home... > > > > Miko Biffle > > 4795 Emerald St. > > Capitola, CA. 95010 > > > > The shirts look great! > > Best, > > -Miko > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 17:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20101; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:17:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:17:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop Shirts! addendum Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:18:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually Bob-Cat, Comic Relief, Circa Mid 80s Followed up with: "I lost my Girlfriend, well I didn't really lose her, I know where she is, but now there's some other guy doing it." -----Original Message----- From: Peter Underwood [mailto:skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum Steven Wright, actually. >From: Stan Card >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Loop Shirts! addendum >Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:13:47 -0800 > >hey miko-"you didnt 'lose' yer job-you know where it is,its just that when >you go there,there is someone else doing it!"-thats a 'bob golthwait'(sp?) >line and sorry about your situation-just trying to add a little levity in >these trying times... > >stanner > > > > >on 11/2/01 9:02 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > > > Hey Jason! > > > > Miko here... I've lost me job, and may have given you that shipping >address! > > Please send my shirt to me at home... > > > > Miko Biffle > > 4795 Emerald St. > > Capitola, CA. 95010 > > > > The shirts look great! > > Best, > > -Miko > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 17:35:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20655; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:32:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:32:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE31E61.A85D6A3A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:29:52 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got to agree, it was Bobcat. CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > Actually Bob-Cat, Comic Relief, Circa Mid 80s > > Followed up with: > > "I lost my Girlfriend, well I didn't really lose her, I know where she is, > but now there's some other guy doing it." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Underwood [mailto:skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum > > Steven Wright, actually. > > >From: Stan Card > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Loop Shirts! addendum > >Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:13:47 -0800 > > > >hey miko-"you didnt 'lose' yer job-you know where it is,its just that when > >you go there,there is someone else doing it!"-thats a 'bob golthwait'(sp?) > >line and sorry about your situation-just trying to add a little levity in > >these trying times... > > > >stanner > > > > > > > > > >on 11/2/01 9:02 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > Hey Jason! > > > > > > Miko here... I've lost me job, and may have given you that shipping > >address! > > > Please send my shirt to me at home... > > > > > > Miko Biffle > > > 4795 Emerald St. > > > Capitola, CA. 95010 > > > > > > The shirts look great! > > > Best, > > > -Miko > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 17:50:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21364; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:47:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:47:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:45:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 22:45:20.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D29F940:01C163F0] Resent-Message-ID: <1dPSh.A.lMF.uIy47@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, you kids are right. My apologies. >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum >Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:29:52 -0800 > >got to agree, it was Bobcat. > >CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > > > Actually Bob-Cat, Comic Relief, Circa Mid 80s > > > > Followed up with: > > > > "I lost my Girlfriend, well I didn't really lose her, I know where she >is, > > but now there's some other guy doing it." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Underwood [mailto:skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:11 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum > > > > Steven Wright, actually. > > > > >From: Stan Card > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Loop Shirts! addendum > > >Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:13:47 -0800 > > > > > >hey miko-"you didnt 'lose' yer job-you know where it is,its just that >when > > >you go there,there is someone else doing it!"-thats a 'bob >golthwait'(sp?) > > >line and sorry about your situation-just trying to add a little levity >in > > >these trying times... > > > > > >stanner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >on 11/2/01 9:02 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Jason! > > > > > > > > Miko here... I've lost me job, and may have given you that shipping > > >address! > > > > Please send my shirt to me at home... > > > > > > > > Miko Biffle > > > > 4795 Emerald St. > > > > Capitola, CA. 95010 > > > > > > > > The shirts look great! > > > > Best, > > > > -Miko > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 18:30:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24916; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:27:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c163f5$d68bad60$0200a8c0@boop> From: "Funkay" To: References: <8224-3BE2C52C-1740@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:26:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think the dl4 has a mic input, but I don't use the one on the rc-20 anyways. I'd much rather use my own mic preamp and send it into the line input. The rc-20 has an instrument in, a mic in, and a line in. The line in was dissapointing because it's an 1/8 inch headphone-type jack. I would rather have a mono 1/4" than a stereo 1/8" and have to mess with adapters. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Mcallister To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 > So the RC-20 has an instrument line and a mic line which you can use at > the same time. Does the line 6 dl-4 have that? Wich one is the better > model? I'm ready to buy one of them. Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 19:27:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28818; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:23:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:23:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011103002229.80174.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: Boss RC20 & multiple loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings! I'm considering the Boss RC20 for my first looping gizmo, and have a question that isn't clear to me after reading various reviews and comments. Is it possible to record multiple samples and play back different combinations of them? That is, could I set up a loop of a bass, another loop of just a conga, and loop of just a bell, and they play back all three, then the bass and bell, then just conga? I'd like to have them available either all together or only one them, or all except for one of the parts, and do this all live. I think I get the overdub function, but that won't allow taking an instrument out temporarily. Finally, if this is possible, does the tap tempo affect all the loops or just the one(s) being played? Yours in rhythm, Steve hi rw! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 19:48:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29866; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:45:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:45:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011102194141.008003c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:41:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC20 & multiple loops In-Reply-To: <20011103002229.80174.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:22 PM 11/2/01 -0800, Steve wrote: >Is it possible to record multiple samples and play back >different combinations of them? That is, could I set up a >loop of a bass, another loop of just a conga, and loop of >just a bell, and they play back all three, then the bass and >bell, then just conga? I'd like to have them available either >all together or only one them, or all except for one of the >parts, and do this all live. Unfortunately, no. The RC-20's interface is a little bit schizoid; you can either record a track in real time and then overdub onto it in non-separatable layers, or you can prepare a track in advance, store it to one of the memory locations, then trigger that to play on top of. You could easily prepare a loop with a bass, a conga and a bell and then play on top of it, but you wouldn't be able to isolate the instruments to play by themselves. You COULD record several versions of the same loop (one without conga, one without the bell, etc.) and store them to separate locations to switch between, but that's a lot of hassle. For what you're talking about, you'd need something with multitrack capability. I'm pretty sure the Repeater could do it. I've found for my purposes I don't even use the canned memory, but rather do all of it in real time. > >I think I get the overdub function, but that won't allow >taking an instrument out temporarily. Right. -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31982; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:06:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:06:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE342B4.2D954E6F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:04:51 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC20 & multiple loops References: <3.0.5.32.20011102194141.008003c0@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: For what you're talking about, > you'd need something with multitrack capability. I'm pretty sure the > Repeater could do it. > Yeah, the Repeater does function this way, with four seperate tracks, or dual stereo tracks. The cool thing is, you can send each track to a seperate place. I've yet to try the quad loop feature in this way, but it's got tons of possibilites. The problem is, if you use it with 4 outputs, you loose the stereo effects loop, which I'm finding myself using A LOT. I think the Echoplex allows for multipal track playback too, or am I wrong? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:21:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32610; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:16:25 -0500 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [loop ny] web site functioning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nothing on it yet except a placeholder... but it's a great name. (It just came free recently, it was taken as of this summer at least...) http://loopNY.com Do respond to that previous long email, I'm counting on you folks to make this fly... I'm particularly looking for someone who can put in a little time on the web design and perhaps another organizer for non-tech stuff. But see that last email. /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:39:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00859; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:36:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:36:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <168.34dbff5.2914a375@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:33:41 EST Subject: Re: The moment y'all been waiting for: Loop Shirts! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_168.34dbff5.2914a375_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_168.34dbff5.2914a375_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/01 11:10:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes: > Link has photos: > > im shakin all over.....danka mucho.....:)m --part1_168.34dbff5.2914a375_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/01 11:10:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes:


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im shakin all over.....danka mucho.....:)m --part1_168.34dbff5.2914a375_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 20:48:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01285; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:45:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007501c163f5$d68bad60$0200a8c0@boop> References: <8224-3BE2C52C-1740@storefull-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <007501c163f5$d68bad60$0200a8c0@boop> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:43:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Funkay" wrote: >I don't think the dl4 has a mic input, but I don't use the one on the rc-20 >anyways. I'd much rather use my own mic preamp and send it into the line >input. The rc-20 has an instrument in, a mic in, and a line in. The line in >was dissapointing because it's an 1/8 inch headphone-type jack. I would >rather have a mono 1/4" than a stereo 1/8" and have to mess with adapters. The DL4 definitely has no mic input. I can't guarantee the same for the rack mount unit, mind you. The DL4 is by far the better piece (though I've only read about the RC-20) -- it's perhaps the most versatile individual piece I have! /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 2 23:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10941; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:29:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:21:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Short review of the Boss RC-20 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/2/01 5:43 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: than a stereo 1/8" and have to mess with adapters. > > The DL4 definitely has no mic input. I can't guarantee the same for > the rack mount unit, mind you. > This is certainly true, but it's simple enough to run a mic in through one of them radio shack hi z/low z doo dahs. > The DL4 is by far the better piece (though I've only read about the > RC-20) -- it's perhaps the most versatile individual piece I have! > > /t > > > http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. > http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. > http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 04:27:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27460; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 04:23:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 04:23:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 04:21:35 EST Subject: Re: EDP power up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per from what I remember of your mail you said the EDP wouldn't power up correctly from the front panel, but would if the mains lead was disconnected. Well guess Kim will give you a definative answer soon, but till then. 1) Did you power off for long enough? Just flicking off & on upsets the EDP? 2) If not the above, then I'd suspect the mains switch of not switching cleanly. So might be worth squirting some switch cleaner in there. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 08:04:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06680; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:00:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:00:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:07:49 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! addendum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002c01c16425$7bd4dd80$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Stanner! Sorry to say... there's really NOT someone else doing it... just another gaping hole in our sinking company. It's really desperate in semiconductor right now... I hope they survive the downturn. It's actually a pretty cool place to work. Maybe I'll be back when things swing back up? In the meantime... more time for my family, music and me! -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Card To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Loop Shirts! addendum > hey miko-"you didnt 'lose' yer job-you know where it is,its just that when > you go there,there is someone else doing it!"-thats a 'bob golthwait'(sp?) > line and sorry about your situation-just trying to add a little levity in > these trying times... > > stanner > > > > > on 11/2/01 9:02 AM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: > > > Hey Jason! > > > > Miko here... I've lost me job, and may have given you that shipping address! > > Please send my shirt to me at home... > > > > Miko Biffle > > 4795 Emerald St. > > Capitola, CA. 95010 > > > > The shirts look great! > > Best, > > -Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 09:35:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10816; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:31:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Question: EDP powering up problem From: Per Boysen To: Loopers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3087646302_222800" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Detta meddelande Šr i MIME-format. PŒ grund av att din e-postlŠsare inte fšrstŒr detta format, kommer hela eller delar av detta meddelande inte att vara lŠsbart. --B_3087646302_222800 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Fr=E5n: TomHeasley@aol.com > A couple of months ago, when powering up before a show, my EDP foot contr= oller > wouldn't work...Tim Nelson happened to be there and told me to > unconnect/reconnect the jacks, after which it was fine - static electrici= ty I > seem to recall him saying it had to do with. Maybe related to your > experience, which doesn't seem OT to me. >=20 > TH=20 Thanks Tom. It looks like it is static electricity related. After simply reconnecting the power chord it's working again. =20 > Well guess Kim will give you a definative answer soon, but till then. >=20 > 1) Did you power off for long enough? Just flicking off & on upsets the E= DP Yes, definitely. =20 > 2) If not the above, then I'd suspect the mains switch of not switching > cleanly. > So might be worth squirting some switch cleaner in there. > andy butler =20 On a brand new EDP? Well, I could try it... maybe you're right. Got to buy some cleaner first, anyway. Regards Per Boysen --B_3087646302_222800 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Question: EDP powering up problem Från: TomHeasley@aol.com

A couple of months ago, when powering up before a show, = my EDP foot controller wouldn't work...Tim Nelson happened to be there and t= old me to unconnect/reconnect the jacks, after which it was fine - static el= ectricity I seem to recall him saying it had to do with.  Maybe related= to your experience, which doesn't seem OT to me.

TH

Thanks Tom. It looks like it is static electricity related. After simply re= connecting the power chord it's working again.
> Well guess Kim will give you a definative answer soon, but till then.<= BR> >
> 1) Did you power off for long enough? Just flicking off & on upset= s the EDP

Yes, definitely.
 
> 2) If not the above, then I'd suspect the mains switch of not switchin= g
> cleanly.
>   So might be worth squirting some switch cleaner in there. =
> andy butler   

On a brand new EDP? Well, I could try it... maybe you're right. Got to buy = some cleaner first, anyway.

Regards

Per Boysen --B_3087646302_222800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 10:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14348; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: zygosin@pop.senet.com.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 02:07:11 +1030 To: Loopers-Delight From: WAM Subject: Repeater Memory & Flash Cards? Resent-Message-ID: <85bESC.A.xdD.GAB57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new to looping machines outside of a computer & am interested in the Repeater. I've read all sorts of things, but I'm unclear as to the full use of the flash card & it's memory. I plan to use the repeater live with percussion, so I'm curious to know if the memory of the Repeater is finite, or if it can use the flash card as ram allowing you to create 4 track loops over several minutes or more? My aim isn't to store them as such although that is always useful, but to have the facility to improvise over expanding loops. I've tried one out, the first loop on track one being one bar, I then added parts on tracks two & three. I then double the lenght to 2 bars on track 4, so tracks 1,2,3 are just repeating their one bar loop, meaning it's not using the memory of four two bar tracks. Until I decide to overdub to either 1,2,or 3, then all of a sudden as the they become full length loops the memory usage is increased. If I then decide to double it again to four bars, the same thing happens as I turn them all into four bar length loops, again to eight bars & so on it starts needing lots of memory. So that's why I'm curious to know if I go out & buy a 128mb CFC card as well, will that solve this problem? I'm hopeful it will, if not are there any suggestions, I live in Australia & there's not as much choice when it comes to seeing & trying expensive & unussual gear, unless you order it (& buy it). Thanks WAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 14:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26562; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:10:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:11:24 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: Repeater Memory & Flash Cards? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BE4415C.BFABFDB1@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A 128M CFC will give you about 24 minutes of recording time. I believe there is also a limit of 8 minutes per loop. WAM wrote: > Hi, I'm new to looping machines outside of a computer & am interested in > the Repeater. > I've read all sorts of things, but I'm unclear as to the full use of the > flash card & it's memory. I plan to use the repeater live with > percussion, so I'm curious to know if the memory of the Repeater is finite, > or if it can use the flash card as ram allowing you to create 4 track loops > over several minutes or more? My aim isn't to store them as such > although that is always useful, but to have the facility to improvise over > expanding loops. I've tried one out, the first loop on track one being > one bar, I then added parts on tracks two & three. I then double the > lenght to 2 bars on track 4, so tracks 1,2,3 are just repeating their one > bar loop, meaning it's not using the memory of four two bar tracks. > Until I decide to overdub to either 1,2,or 3, then all of a sudden as the > they become full length loops the memory usage is increased. If I then > decide to double it again to four bars, the same thing happens as I turn > them all into four bar length loops, again to eight bars & so on it starts > needing lots of memory. So that's why I'm curious to know if I go out & > buy a 128mb CFC card as well, will that solve this problem? I'm hopeful > it will, if not are there any suggestions, I live in Australia & there's > not as much choice when it comes to seeing & trying expensive & unussual > gear, unless you order it (& buy it). Thanks > > WAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:00:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20110; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:56:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:56:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:55:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Repeater Memory & Flash Cards? From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BE4415C.BFABFDB1@optonline.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/3/01 11:11 AM, Greg Waltzer at gwaltzer@optonline.net wrote: > A 128M CFC will give you about 24 minutes of recording time. > I believe there is also a limit of 8 minutes per loop. > > WAM wrote: > >> Hi, I'm new to looping machines outside of a computer & am interested in >> the Repeater. I went through the manual, and didn't find anything about an 8 minute limit per loop. As far as I can tell, if you've got the memory, you can go pretty much to it's end, give or take a little for the extra files the Repeater uses to identify a loop. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 3 21:26:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22406; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Memory & Flash Cards? Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:30:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6562h.A.ldF.4ZK57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pretty sure there is an 8 minute loop limit Mark. I'm not sure about the manual, and I have yet to record an 8 minute loop, but I saw this on the site and heard it direct from tech support when I called them. I was disappointed because I wanted to my Repeater to also act as a standard digital recorder (i.e. 256MB card recording up to 50 minutes of uninterrupted music). But I was told that it wasn't possible to do that. If this limitation does not exist or if they solve this limitation, the Repeater could double as a digital record for non-looped jam sessions and gigs (with enough memory, of course). Cool eh? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Memory & Flash Cards? on 11/3/01 11:11 AM, Greg Waltzer at gwaltzer@optonline.net wrote: > A 128M CFC will give you about 24 minutes of recording time. > I believe there is also a limit of 8 minutes per loop. > > WAM wrote: > >> Hi, I'm new to looping machines outside of a computer & am interested in >> the Repeater. I went through the manual, and didn't find anything about an 8 minute limit per loop. As far as I can tell, if you've got the memory, you can go pretty much to it's end, give or take a little for the extra files the Repeater uses to identify a loop. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 00:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00481; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "brian mulvey" To: References: Subject: nyc loopfest thoughts Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:00:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Any web designers here (after all the abuse you've taken here recently?) yes. > >If we are going to do a show like this then surely the > >manufacturers would want to have a little chance to > >show off their wares and answer questions? let me take this moment to scream STOPPP! honestly, do we really need a trade show? a convention? WORKSHOPS? *shudder. the general music-listening public understands the concept of looping. i don't think we need to turn a good idea for a concert into some sort of high tech show and tell. > >If we do such a large thing (and I'm still VERY open to > >having two or three groups get together and play a > >night at the Knit) I'm going to need help with the > >organization of this. why only two or three, and when did the knit become a far-off alternative? > >I'm of two minds about whether we should allow full bands > >with a live drummer to play. i'm pretty sure i'm the only person who specified this setup. > >The moment we introduce live drums, we move the PA requirements > >up if he's a hard-hitting rock drummer. but how is running a couple drum mics and a vocal mic that much harder to running several line feeds, which I imagine the majority of laptop/rack gear performers to be requiring? i dont really follow the upping the pa requirements line. perhaps you mean in that case you'd need something that can handle a few mics, and have those mics. i think if THAT were a problem, there would be some serious issues all around. > >I'm going to write up a logistical plan based on about two dozen looping > >performers attending the conference (meeting? collective? hang? > >activity? thing?) > >perhaps another three dozen drop-ins who'd come to see the workshops yeah, i mean, if this has officially morphed into a conference, i apologize. but if it's still open to debate, i couldn't be more adamant about keeping this simply a performance. i dont think this should cost anything. i realize this is perhaps a tall order, but for this to succeed i think it's the only way. $10-$15 is a bit silly. $20-60 is unfathomable. overextending, definitely. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 00:53:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02438; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:51:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:51:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:48:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: nyc loopfest thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >let me take this moment to scream STOPPP! honestly, do we really need a >trade show? a convention? WORKSHOPS? >*shudder. the general music-listening public understands the concept of >looping. i don't think we need to turn a good idea >for a concert into some sort of high tech show and tell. this is certainly a good point. I'm certainly of two minds which way to go. > > >If we do such a large thing (and I'm still VERY open to > > >having two or three groups get together and play a > > >night at the Knit) I'm going to need help with the > > >organization of this. > >why only two or three, and when did the knit become a far-off alternative? Or something in between -- I'm describing the extremes here! However -- I suspect we are going to have some trouble getting a really decent slot at the Knitting Factory. Perhaps it's a failure of my imagination but all I've ever been able to book so far is one of the two lower rooms for a few hours... we won't be able to get too many acts there. > > >The moment we introduce live drums, we move the PA requirements > > >up if he's a hard-hitting rock drummer. because the noise level we need to be able to generate to compete with a hard-hitting rock drummer is a lot greater than what we need for just electronic acts! >but how is running a couple drum mics and a vocal mic that much harder >to running several line feeds, which I imagine the majority of laptop/rack >gear performers to be requiring? It's by no means an insuperable issue but it will require more setting up and more PA as compared to electronic/vox things. There are also venues that won't allow live drums, I'm afraid -- I suspect one of the three Chashama spaces has that restriction. > > >I'm going to write up a logistical plan based on about two dozen looping > > >performers attending the conference (meeting? collective? hang? > > >activity? thing?) > > >perhaps another three dozen drop-ins who'd come to see the workshops > >yeah, i mean, if this has officially morphed into a conference, i apologize. >but if it's still open to debate, i couldn't be more >adamant about keeping this simply a performance. Clear enough. I'm absolutely not sure that you aren't right. >i dont think this should cost anything. i realize this is perhaps a tall >order, but for this to succeed i think it's the only way. If we did a conference somewhere in New York, it'd have to cost money. How would we do it for free? Even if we use not-for-profit spaces like Chashama, they'd require SOME payment. If it was a for-pay space, it'd cost thousands! >$10-$15 is a bit silly. $20-60 is unfathomable. overextending, definitely. !!! $60 for a three day conference in New York City is nothing, you'd pay more than that for a science-fiction convention! I'm CERTAINLY by no means wedded to the idea. I proposed it because I was having trouble coming up with a smaller plan that I believed would work. The idea was to 1) somehow fit in all the people who've expressed interest 2) make it attractive for people to come from out of town 3) have a chance for people to play together randomly ("jamming") and actually meet each other. The earlier plan had nine acts in a night but this is seeming to be very hard to pull off and stressful, particularly with some of the rather difficult setups we have. And nine is still about half of the people who want to play. I really appreciate the feedback -- I really am insecure about deciding what will work best for everyone else. Tell me, everyone -- what are you looking for? What are your goals here? What would make this really succeed? I don't care about "big", I just want it to "work". I'd rather have a great loop jam in someone's living room than a huge conference that was just a hassle. /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 01:56:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06360; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 01:52:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 01:52:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 22:54:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Live Looping mp3's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a show a friend and I did last spring: http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.html I'm playing keys and looping with a JamMan sync'd to an MC-303, with some drum loops via a Dr. Sample. My partner plays turntables, a couple of ARPs and effects. The show was entirely improvised and recorded straight to DAT. Check it out, and let me know what you think! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 02:05:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08118; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 02:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 02:01:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.39.139.96] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: Fractal @ The Quarternote Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 23:00:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2001 07:00:33.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[65ED8420:01C164FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Respectfully submitted: Fractal will be playing at the Quarter Note, Sunnyvale, California on Saturday 10th of November, at approximately 9pm. Fractal are: Paul Strong: V-drums Nic Roozeboom: Guitar, guitar synth & looposity James Mallonee: Bass, keyboards Directions The best way to approach the Quarter Note is along Lawrence Expressway northbound. Turn right immediately after going under Central Expressway on Apollo Way. Almost immediately take the first right into the car park. The Quarter Note is on the right corner of the block as you face it. http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/fractal.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 09:22:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01701; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:19:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:19:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c1653c$0c994920$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: soundforge Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:21:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry loopers, this is a little off the topic but I would like to ask you one thing. I can not load 24 bit files into Soundforge 4.5 although I can hear the file through my Gina20 when checking the "Auto play". What should I do to overcome this problem? Thanks. Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 11:05:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07070; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:02:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:02:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <83.126e7276.2916c024@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:00:36 EST Subject: Re: Live Looping mp3's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_83.126e7276.2916c024_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_83.126e7276.2916c024_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2001 1:51:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, improv@peak.org writes: > http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.html diggin your stuff quite a bit right at the moment - thanks - harry --part1_83.126e7276.2916c024_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/2001 1:51:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, improv@peak.org writes:


http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.htm
l


diggin your stuff quite a bit right at the moment - thanks - harry
 --part1_83.126e7276.2916c024_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 12:19:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11195; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:16:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:14:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [loop NY] 3 alternatives? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com break it up: 1. gig: one or more evenings. 2. jam: a full day. 3. meet: two or more full days. So a gig could be a couple of nights or a repeating series at the Knitting Factory. A jam could be a day on the weekend at some fairly large space perhaps out of Manhattan where we could set up and jam in the day and have a concert and a party in the evening. A meet would be in some not-for-profit space for several days as in the last message. Let's throw away 3 as being too complicated right off the bat. My personal preference out of 1 and 2 is 2. the full day hang. Option 1 seems to be pretty high-stress because the chances of failure seem better than even; failure being defined as "being unable to sustain a crowd over several shows". If we tried to do nine shows at the Knitting Factory, what are the chances that one act won't be able to play because of technical difficulties and the time pressure? Option 2 gives us the chance to actually hang out in some loft somewhere and play around with the gear and show off tricks before the show. Sure, we might have to do some more work, like getting a PA in (I have a 600 W/channel PA but that might not be quite enough) but we'd have a chance to iron out the bugs and to have a lot of fun doing it. The "loft" might still be Chashama... we'll see how it goes with them. Thoughts? http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 12:45:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12311; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:42:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dave Hastings" To: Subject: RE: soundforge Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:39:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c16557$af4b6ac0$c32379a5@hmv5n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004e01c1653c$0c994920$0200a8c0@erdem> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <-XR58C.A.k_C.S3X57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: erdem helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@turk.net] > Subject: soundforge > > > Sorry loopers, this is a little off the topic but I would like to ask you > one thing. I can not load 24 bit files into Soundforge 4.5 although I can > hear the file through my Gina20 when checking the "Auto play". > What should I > do to overcome this problem? You aren't going to like this answer. Upgrade to version 5 (or some other audio editor). Version 4.5 doesn't support 24 or 32 bit sound files. -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "Before you can be eccentric you must know where the circle is." -- Ellen Terry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 13:13:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14848; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:11:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:11:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <83.126e7276.2916c024@aol.com> References: <83.126e7276.2916c024@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:13:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Live Looping mp3's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 11/4/2001 1:51:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, >improv@peak.org writes: > >>http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.htm >> >l > > >diggin your stuff quite a bit right at the moment - thanks - harry Thanks! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 14:43:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20130; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:40:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:40:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:39:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Repeater Memory & Flash Cards? From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/3/01 6:30 PM, Tim Goodwin at deepbass6@earthlink.net wrote: > I'm pretty sure there is an 8 minute loop limit Mark. I'm not sure about > the manual, and I have yet to record an 8 minute loop, but I saw this on the > site and heard it direct from tech support when I called them. I was > disappointed because I wanted to my Repeater to also act as a standard > digital recorder (i.e. 256MB card recording up to 50 minutes of > uninterrupted music). But I was told that it wasn't possible to do that. > > If this limitation does not exist or if they solve this limitation, the > Repeater could double as a digital record for non-looped jam sessions and > gigs (with enough memory, of course). Cool eh? > > -- > Tim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater Memory & Flash Cards? > > > on 11/3/01 11:11 AM, Greg Waltzer at gwaltzer@optonline.net wrote: > >> A 128M CFC will give you about 24 minutes of recording time. >> I believe there is also a limit of 8 minutes per loop. >> >> WAM wrote: >> >>> Hi, I'm new to looping machines outside of a computer & am interested in >>> the Repeater. > > I went through the manual, and didn't find anything about an 8 minute limit > per loop. As far as I can tell, if you've got the memory, you can go pretty > much to it's end, give or take a little for the extra files the Repeater > uses to identify a loop. > > Mark Sottilaro > YIKES! You're correct. Although no mention of the limit exists in the manual, I did clearly find this spec on their web site. Oh well. 8 minutes it pretty long in the loop dept. Coming from a Jam Man, I can't complain. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 14:46:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20411; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:43:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:43:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:42:40 -0800 Subject: Re: gig spam: Fractal @ The Quarternote From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/3/01 11:00 PM, Nic Roozeboom at nicroozeboom@hotmail.com wrote: > Respectfully submitted: > > Fractal will be playing at the Quarter Note, Sunnyvale, California on > Saturday 10th of November, at approximately 9pm. SWEET! I loved the mp3s on your site. I will do my best to make it to your show. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 14:54:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21386; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:51:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:51:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE59E0E.DAFC4F76@ulster.net> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 14:59:12 -0500 From: Joshua Colow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Pics to Jeremiah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Attention: Jeremiah Jeremiah. Your e mail address of Karen Sciacca's is not functioning for me. Everytime I send an e mail I get a faiure notice. It is hot mail etc. Can you give me a different address to send the pics. Otheres have been able to receive the pics. Thanks Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 18:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02065; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:58:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:03:53 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andrew Hearst Subject: Repeater appearance in The New York Times Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, those of you with copies of today's Sunday New York Times should turn to page 17 of the Arts & Leisure section, where you'll find an article about Richie Hawtin and Aphex Twin. In the background of the picture at the top, a Repeater can clearly be seen sitting in Hawtin's rack. Unfortunately, the picture is not included with the online version of the article, which is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/04/arts/music/04SANN.html No mention of the Repeater in the article itself. --Andrew http://www.echonyc.com/~hearst From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 19:07:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08287; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:04:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:04:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: Live Looping mp3's Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:56:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8AcX8.A.cAC.Bdd57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice stuff Dave. Lot of it cracks me up :-) Love to sit in with you some time with my loopers. Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 10:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live Looping mp3's > > > Here's a show a friend and I did last spring: > > http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.html > > I'm playing keys and looping with a JamMan sync'd to an MC-303, with > some drum loops via a Dr. Sample. My partner plays turntables, a > couple of ARPs and effects. The show was entirely improvised and > recorded straight to DAT. Check it out, and let me know what you > think! > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit > "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 4 21:50:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17357; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:49:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Future Repeator Owner ? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has any one used one of those lame little Digitech FS300 footswitches with their Repeator? I'm curious about the specific functionality of each of the three switches. The reason I say lame is that the FS300 buttons are so closely spaced, you would need a Ming Dynasty Princess' bound feet to navigate on the thing. I know the right thing to do is use a midi pedal which I intend to do, but occasionally I have solo acoustic gigs that don't really require a star ship enterprise console. Thanks for the help Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 00:37:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27642; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:34:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:31:56 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Future Repeator Owner ? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has any one used one of those lame little Digitech FS300 footswitches with >their Repeator? I'm curious about the specific functionality of each of the >three switches. The reason I say lame is that the FS300 buttons are so >closely spaced, you would need a Ming Dynasty Princess' bound feet to >navigate on the thing. Why not build your own? Or reinstall the Digitech switches in a larger box? Here's the schematic: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman0_4FootSwitch.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 07:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16384; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: FW: Question: EDP powering up problem X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:02:10 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question: EDP powering up problem Thread-Index: AcFjqnvFUAb8uj1eSEu5DF4V0gUcmgADz7pAAI3xQyA= From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA16336 Resent-Message-ID: <5mw2BC.A.f_D.w-n57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Per, No, this is not what you expect from any new piece of gear and we are sorry you are having problems. This sounds like an old fault caused by the tolerance of the two 16MHz crystals that are used to run the internal clocks. This problem was identified many years ago and we have bought in military spec crystals for the last two years production. The units are tested for this potential fault here but it would seem that your crystals have changed slightly and are now just on the tolerance limit. The crystals are easy to replace and I can send you a pair if you like; or we can sort out some other way to fix your unit. It has a 2-year warranty, so please let me know how you want to proceed, Best Regards, Andy Ewen, Design Dept, Trace Elliot. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: 02 November 2001 15:22 To: Loopers Subject: Question: EDP powering up problem Hi, Here I have a new EDP that sometimes doesn't power up when pushing the button. But if I unplug the power chord and then put it back the display lightens up and the machine comes to life. I'm running it in the 230 volt mode (European current). Sorry about this kind of off topic technical question. It's not what you'd expect from a new piece of gear and I'm wondering if any of you know what could possibly cause this malfunction? BTW I think it's a fantastic instrument! This little problem is ok during rehearsals but I just cannot take it to a gig sound check that way ;-) Regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 10:36:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28946; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:33:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: nyc loopfest thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >If we are going to do a show like this then surely the >> >manufacturers would want to have a little chance to >> >show off their wares and answer questions? > >let me take this moment to scream STOPPP! honestly, do we really need a >trade show? a convention? WORKSHOPS? >*shudder. the general music-listening public understands the concept of >looping. i don't think we need to turn a good idea >for a concert into some sort of high tech show and tell. When I suggested the workshop I thought I could explain some more about EDP functions and the musical applications that are not trivial. I am not able to represent Gibson or so. Also, this offer was in addition to the concert (the day before or after...) and should not harm it in any way. But the idea to ask the manufacturers for some financial or publicity support is not that bad either, is it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 10:36:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28964; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:33:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Question: EDP powering up problem Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Question: EDP powering up problem
Från: TomHeasley@aol.com

A couple of months ago, when powering up before a show, my EDP foot controller wouldn't work...Tim Nelson happened to be there and told me to unconnect/reconnect the jacks, after which it was fine - static electricity I seem to recall him saying it had to do with.  Maybe related to your experience, which doesn't seem OT to me.

TH

Thanks Tom. It looks like it is static electricity related. After simply reconnecting the power chord it's working again.

If its the problem I thought and Andy thinks it is, there is no need to reconnect the power chord. Switch in power a second time is enough. At the third switch at latest, the unit starts up, and once it started correctly, it works normally, so you dont have a problem apart from the anoyance with switching it on twice.
To replace the crystals as Andy suggests is not complicated either...
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 11:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00549; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:25:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:25:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:23:53 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: nyc loopfest thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005d01c16616$45952340$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00c301c16506$d5f1fe60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not from new york, but when you guys started talking about a conference i started thinking i might try to come out for it. why not have an international loop fest? i think it would be great. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Re: nyc loopfest thoughts > > > >If we are going to do a show like this then surely the > >> >manufacturers would want to have a little chance to > >> >show off their wares and answer questions? > > > >let me take this moment to scream STOPPP! honestly, do we really need a > >trade show? a convention? WORKSHOPS? > >*shudder. the general music-listening public understands the concept of > >looping. i don't think we need to turn a good idea > >for a concert into some sort of high tech show and tell. > > When I suggested the workshop I thought I could explain some more > about EDP functions and the musical applications that are not trivial. > I am not able to represent Gibson or so. > Also, this offer was in addition to the concert (the day before or > after...) and should not harm it in any way. > > But the idea to ask the manufacturers for some financial or publicity > support is not that bad either, is it? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 12:00:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02514; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:54:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:54:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE6D2BA.CDFB114B@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:56:10 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Future Repeator Owner ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i found one in a pawn shop 2 weeks ago for $20. i picked it up and it's pretty handy. i dont have much problems with the switch spacing in bare feet or big ole birkenstock sandles. The switchs control Undo - Play/Stop - Record, left to right. If I hadnt found this one, i was going to build one as per the "Bob Sellon" link that Richard has already sent. I priced out the Carling Switchs at about $8 each. Just snagging that Fs-300 was a little more cost effective in my case. later, -jas "William R. Walker," wrote: > Has any one used one of those lame little Digitech FS300 footswitches with > their Repeator? I'm curious about the specific functionality of each of the > three switches. The reason I say lame is that the FS300 buttons are so > closely spaced, you would need a Ming Dynasty Princess' bound feet to > navigate on the thing. I know the right thing to do is use a midi pedal > which I intend to do, but occasionally I have solo acoustic gigs that don't > really require a star ship enterprise console. Thanks for the help > Bill Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 12:16:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04856; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:10:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:08:43 -0800 Subject: Re: nyc loopfest thoughts From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/5/01 8:33 AM, Matthias Grob at matthias@grob.org wrote: >>>> If we are going to do a show like this then surely the >>>> manufacturers would want to have a little chance to >>>> show off their wares and answer questions? >> >> let me take this moment to scream STOPPP! honestly, do we really need a >> trade show? a convention? WORKSHOPS? >> *shudder. the general music-listening public understands the concept of >> looping. i don't think we need to turn a good idea >> for a concert into some sort of high tech show and tell. > > When I suggested the workshop I thought I could explain some more > about EDP functions and the musical applications that are not trivial. > I am not able to represent Gibson or so. > Also, this offer was in addition to the concert (the day before or > after...) and should not harm it in any way. > > But the idea to ask the manufacturers for some financial or publicity > support is not that bad either, is it? Totally separate from the NYC loopfest, I think it's a great idea to have REAL users utilized by manufactures (Gibson, Electrix, Line6, etc., ) to give little "performances" using each companies loop technology. Here's why: I needed a keyboard stand quick before a gig, so I was forced to go to The Guitar Center (usually I avoid it like Dan Rather's mail) Well, purchasing the stand took way longer than it should have, as the pro audio person was having a heavy deep and real with his significant other on the phone. While I was waiting for someone to get the stand, I asked if there had been much interest in the Repeater (one was sitting there). The response was, "...doesn't seem to do all that much." After I gave a little lecture and paid for my stand, I couldn't help but think how more demos could help educate sales people and potential looper owners. Anyway, I think it would be a great idea if companies would organize and promote local loopfests. All the proceeds could go to the musicians, in return for the promotion, the manufacture would have a small booth in the club. Maybe the musician could speak before and after their set about how they use the gear, and how it's changed the way they make music. Maybe this is much harder and more expensive than it's worth, but even having us show up for a little live show/demo in the local dealership would be great for all of loop kind. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 12:17:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04894; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:10:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:08:51 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Future Repeator Owner ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006601c1661c$8ae86cd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3BE6D2BA.CDFB114B@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i also have had no trouble with the spacing on the fs300... btw, i couldn't find the model number of those switches. do you know what it is? > i found one in a pawn shop 2 weeks ago for $20. i picked it up > and it's pretty handy. i dont have much problems with the switch > spacing in bare feet or big ole birkenstock sandles. > > The switchs control Undo - Play/Stop - Record, left to right. > > If I hadnt found this one, i was going to build one as per the > "Bob Sellon" link that Richard has already sent. I priced out > the Carling Switchs at about $8 each. Just snagging that Fs-300 > was a little more cost effective in my case. > > later, > -jas > > "William R. Walker," wrote: > > > Has any one used one of those lame little Digitech FS300 footswitches with > > their Repeator? I'm curious about the specific functionality of each of the > > three switches. The reason I say lame is that the FS300 buttons are so > > closely spaced, you would need a Ming Dynasty Princess' bound feet to > > navigate on the thing. I know the right thing to do is use a midi pedal > > which I intend to do, but occasionally I have solo acoustic gigs that don't > > really require a star ship enterprise console. Thanks for the help > > Bill Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 12:42:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07090; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:39:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:39:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: bbrace@mail.wiredmag.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200111040226.VAA22704@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:43:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: { brad brace } Subject: MD loops? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> since 1994 <<<< + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace + + + eccentric ftp://ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace + + + continuous ftp://ftp.teleport.com/users/bbrace + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace + + + imagery ftp://ftp.pacifier.com/pub/users/bbrace News://alt.binaries.pictures.12hr ://a.b.p.fine-art.misc Reverse Solidus: http://www.teleport.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html Mirror: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/ { brad brace } <<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 13:01:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08018; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:53:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:53:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: R: MD loops? Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:49:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you mean with MD loopers? I'm a looper and I use MD as a recording and sampling medium (and sometimes to take around some backing tracks to work on - way better than a cd reader for this kind of use). Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: { brad brace } To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: MD loops? > > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA > > > > > > > > The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> since 1994 <<<< > > + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace > + + + eccentric ftp://ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace > + + + continuous ftp://ftp.teleport.com/users/bbrace > + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace > + + + imagery ftp://ftp.pacifier.com/pub/users/bbrace > > News://alt.binaries.pictures.12hr ://a.b.p.fine-art.misc > Reverse Solidus: http://www.teleport.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html > http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html > Mirror: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/ > > { brad brace } <<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 13:52:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12844; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:49:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:49:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c1662a$2a6e0f00$7a2487d9@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: OT: CENTROZOON (Winter 2001 Update) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:46:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4K9C_D.A.FHD.p7t57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends, Here's the latest news from Messrs: Reuter & Wostheinrich, namely CENTROZOON. (My apologies for any inadvertent cross-posting): - - - The re-mastered / expanded version of 'Sun Lounge Debris' is now available to purchase directly from Burning Shed Records: www.burningshed.com. This ambient masterpiece further augments the CENTROZOON dialect, upholding the band's philosophy of never repeating themselves! Listeners can download an edit of Track 01 (Harvest Girls) from the CENTROZOON website: www.centrozoon.de. - - - CENTROZOON will launch a short UK tour in February 2002. Don't miss this rare opportunity to experience the power of this eclectic unit live and unleashed! There are two confirmed dates so far: * 23rd Feb: Buddle Arts Centre, Wallsend www.northtynesidearts.org.uk * 26th Feb: Phoenix Arts & Media Centre, Exeter www.exeterphoenix.org.uk More dates will follow, (in Manchester, Norwich, and London). For further details, and regular updates please visit www.centrozoon.de. - - - The 'Bibbiboo' MP3 Station continues to play host to a multifarious blend of remix commissions, produced by John McCullagh, Mandelbrot, Lee Fletcher, Ian Boddy, and Phil Nova: www.mp3.com/stations/bibbibooremixes. Check out the hottest new arrival: 'All The Time It Is Using Us' (extended McCullagh mix), which will shortly appear on a special 12" vinyl disc to be released through Ant-Zen records: www.ant-zen.com. - - - There are regular updates and features hosted @ www.centrozoon.de. Forthcoming treats include downloadable video footage of CENTROZOON live in concert! We hope to see you there, and thank you for your continued support. Regards, Lee Fletcher (on behalf of CENTROZOON) www.centrozoon.de www.bibbiboo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 15:42:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22894; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:37:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:37:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c16639$8352df60$ee934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Wear it with pride Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:36:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <4pY8l.A.OjF.qgv57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The LD T-shirt arrived today and looks great! Jason, you the man! (and your wife the woman!) Thanks again to everyone involved in the design and making this happen. James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 15:55:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23882; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:51:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:51:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:49:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Introducing!! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I've visited the website a few times over the past few years, and now I've joined the list. I'm not what you'd call a hard-core looper, but I've been at it a long time. Imagine a day in 1974, when I took two borrowed reel-to-reel decks, a Sony 366 and a Sony 377 (both tilted from the vertical) and ran a tape from the feed reel of one to the take-up reel of the other, about 12 feet away. That was quite the echo! Among the disgracefully lo-fi RealAudios on the web site in my sig (below), is one named after the date on which it was recorded, 7/4/1984. It's a mono mixdown of four tracks of VL-Tone (remember those? It's a sequencer! It's a calculator!) thru my Effectron II. And more recently, the Ampcast and Artistlaunch links in the aforementioned web site will lead you to things involving jhno's Looper software. "Last Call for Archimedes" is a pretty straight (okay, inebriated) case of live looping of my Handsonics while making up nonsense to say ... "Surge" has more post-production and overdubs, as well as pre-written text. "Is Your News Safe?" is similar. --- * justjohn@concentric.net http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * * * * * * * http://www.concentric.net/~justjohn/ * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 15:57:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24187; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:54:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:54:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE6FC20.F99D0060@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:52:51 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Air FX and Repeater References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Gang, about a month ago, I gave my Korg KAOSS pad to my wife, thinking with the addition of the Electrix MO-FX and Warp Factory, I had too much in my Repeater's effect loop anyway, and maybe I'd pick up another KAOSS pad sometime in the future. Well, I've been missing the KAOSS pad a lot. It's a really cool little box, with some rudimentary loop functions built in. As for bang for the buck, it's very high on my list of cool toys. However, a few weeks ago I saw a special on PBS about "High-tech and music in the SF bay area." Not a great show, but it did give a pretty good overview some stuff. One of the people they interviewed was a guy that does a little electronic show on the sidewalk outside Tower Records on Market St. in San Francisco (if you haven't seen him, he's really great, you should check him out) One of the pieces of gear he talked about was the Alesis Air FX. Found out that Guitar Center was blowing them out at $149, and for that price, I figured, what the hell? I LOVE THIS THING! OK, first off, IT IS NOT PROGRAMMABLE. However, it's got 40 presets and not a clunker among them. As a guitarist, it's way easier for me to manipulate than the KAOSS pad was, and I was even having luck waving my foot over it. I don't think I'd have the toe accuracy to get good results with the KAOSS pad, though I never tried. It's got a mic mount on the bottom, and I think I'm going to try mounting it at a 90 degree angle and actually moving the face of my guitar around it to control it. It does respond to X Y and Z axis motion, so this may force me to seem more animated on stage. What's maybe even cooler than the Air FX itself, is the way I'm able to use it in conjunction with the Repeater. Because the Repeater has a programmable effects send, you can place effects at the input, or loop output. When I first started reading about the Repeater's capabilities, this feature didn't really WOW me, but it sure does now. When I set the send to loop output, it doesn't effect what I'm playing, until it becomes part of the loop. The result is amazing, as what I'm hearing back in my loop isn't exactly what I played into it, yet it's based on what I played into it. Depending on what effects you put in your chain, it can go from subtle reverb, to almost unrecognizable mayhem. Controlled with my elbow via the Alesis Air FX. So, I'm playing notes with my hands, effecting them with my foot, and at the same time effecting the loop with my elbow. Hot damn. Does it get better than this? If I really want to save what I'm doing to the current loop, I can do a resample, adding what ever effects are in the loop permanently, while keeping my original one the way I played it. SWA-EET. So, if you've got $149 or so burning a hole in your pocket, I suggest picking up an Air Effects, before they go away forever. Now that Newmark owns Alesis, who knows what the future of this little baby is. All I know is it seems to be an untapped treasure. Mark Sottilaro. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 15:58:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24219; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:53:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Introducing!! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (PS: I meant this website -> http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 16:11:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26658; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:05:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011105210357.5197.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #653 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200111051536.KAA29546@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, just recieved my LD tshirt and it looks bloody fantastic. thanks very much jason fer all the hard work. i think everyone who got a shirt will very much appreciate. with the latest in looping "gear", i'm gonna be the most stylin' guy on campus now. (even if no one else notices.) take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 16:11:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27068; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:08:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:08:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: nyc loopfest thoughts Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:07:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: nyc loopfest thoughts Thread-Index: AcFmPd45zSFpW7j9SfCDjU91ZFoM4A== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA26824 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Old office in the Knitting Factory might be ideal. It's small but not tiny like the Knitactive room. It's out of the main flow of people so business, talks, etc could be conducted there. It's got a casual stage - i.e., one wouldn't feel too weird walking on or off while in the middle of a jam. There's a bar... They rarely seem to have anything too great in there anyway! Do you have any idea how many people would even be interested in attending? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 16:22:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28119; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:18:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:18:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:17:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200111052117.QAA24622@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: RE: nyc loopfest thoughts X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill wrote: > The Old office in the Knitting Factory might be ideal. It's small but > not tiny like the Knitactive room. It's out of the main flow of people > so business, talks, etc could be conducted there. It's got a casual > stage - i.e., one wouldn't feel too weird walking on or off while in the > middle of a jam. There's a bar... They rarely seem to have anything > too great in there anyway! Good idea. Yes, it does seem to be rather underutilized (though I did see Richard Pinhas there... !) (and Steve Sandberg from this list come to think of it.) > Do you have any idea how many people would even be interested in > attending? Attending as in playing? about 18 at this time. Attending as in a conference? unknown. Attending as in audience? unknown! /t -- The new moon is shining, The harmonious hand is now holding Lord Krishna's ring, the eagle's wing, The voice of mother, everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 16:35:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29287; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:31:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:31:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011105155929.00ab6210@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:37:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: mic rant - the aftermath... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_22337439==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_22337439==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed first off, wanna out myself that i mis-speaked: the mic i referred to as the "AKG C-87 mkIII" is actually made by audio-technica, and it's mkII. it's characterized by a-t as "unidirectional". (sorry about that - i get so excited when i see the word "C-414"... i just go all akg on myself!) now! onward! Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:07:01 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro [snip] > And while I'm at it, one of the best cheap mic values I've ever come across is the $50 RadioShack PZM. If you come across one in your travels, pick it up. < now, i'm pretty sure those were discontinued - but they were awesome. _especially_ at the price, and also because they offered a AA battery option... yeah, if you find, get. now, crown themselves make 2 or maybe even 3 different flavors of pzm, one of which seems to recall the radio shack ones. things to note about the the radio shack variation: they came with the cable hardwired into the mic, almost an accident waiting for a place to happen if you are not consistently careful about packing them up. and that hardwired cable terminated in an unbalanced 1/4inch plug - so convenient! yet so limiting... and since the AA battery casing is an integral part of the cable, you really want to be careful with them, it's a bitch to swap a new cable for a crapped-out one. i'd be pretty sure that the lo-end crown ones STILL aren't as cheap as the radio shack ones were, but pzms are almost always the kind of thing you like to have around. THEN! Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content) [snip] > I used to use the cs1000 on my Udu drum but had problems with feedback trying to get it loud enough in the mix so I could hear myself over the other bandmates. < i am pretty sure the C1000S is a regular cardiod, and does not extend itself to utterly rejecting off-axis info. which might well give you the kind of conniptions you describe. > I also switched to a Countryman Isomax microphone on the udu which is fantasic. < oh... that would totally work. lav mics are generally designed to reject everything that's not yelled directly into them, since lapel mics often see the worst of the action - exterior ENG shoots on windy days, people breathing heavy, even the occasional daub of makeup... they might not reproduce with utter faithfulness every frequency from 10 - 30K.... but how often do you want everything in the spectrum coming thru an instrument mic anyway? FINALLY! i completely neglected the piezo-sitck-on solution. very handy, very reasonably priced! there used to be a commonly available one marketed under the name C-ducer (sorta like contact, sorta like seduction... with a producer involved.) they're awesome, and i'd have to think there's still something like them out there (if not them themselves.) you use double-sided magic tape to stick these 4 or 6 inch, flexible pickups onto whatever you wanted picked up. they came with a little boost-box (which i think took a 9-volt.) we often used them on empty beer cans 1/4 full of pennies for that heavy-metal shaker effect! sometimes we used small bits of funtak to adhere the pickup strips if the stickyness of tape was gonna damage the finish of whatever we were sticking them on. a:c ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_22337439==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
first off, wanna out myself that i mis-speaked:

the mic i referred to as the "AKG C-87 mkIII" is actually made by audio-technica, and it's mkII. it's characterized by a-t as "unidirectional". (sorry about that - i get so excited when i see the word "C-414"... i just go all akg on myself!)

now! onward!

Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:07:01 -0800
From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>
[snip]
>
And while I'm at it, one of the best cheap mic values I've ever come
across is the $50 RadioShack PZM. If you come across one in your
travels, pick it up.
<

now, i'm pretty sure those were discontinued - but they were awesome. _especially_ at the price, and also because they offered a AA battery option... yeah, if you find, get.
now, crown themselves make 2 or maybe even 3 different flavors of pzm, one of which seems to recall the radio shack ones.

things to note about the the radio shack variation: they came with the cable hardwired into the mic, almost an accident waiting for a place to happen if you are not consistently careful about packing them up. and that hardwired cable terminated in an unbalanced 1/4inch plug - so convenient! yet so limiting... and since the AA battery casing is an integral part of the cable, you really want to be careful with them, it's a bitch to swap a new cable for a crapped-out one.

i'd be pretty sure that the lo-end crown ones STILL aren't as cheap as the radio shack ones were, but pzms are almost always the kind of thing you like to have around.

THEN!

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:38:39 -0800 (PST)
From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister)

Subject: RE: Hypercartiod microphones (+ Tabla content)

[snip]

>
I used to use the cs1000 on my Udu drum but had problems with feedback
trying to get it loud enough in the mix so I could hear myself over the
other bandmates.
<

i am pretty sure the C1000S is a regular cardiod, and does not extend itself to utterly rejecting off-axis info. which might well give you the kind of conniptions you describe.

>
I also switched to a Countryman Isomax microphone on the udu which is
fantasic.
<

oh... that would totally work. lav mics are generally designed to reject everything that's not yelled directly into them, since lapel mics often see the worst of the action - exterior ENG shoots on windy days, people breathing heavy, even the occasional daub of makeup... they might not reproduce with utter faithfulness every frequency from 10 - 30K.... but how often do you want everything in the spectrum coming thru an instrument mic anyway?

FINALLY!

i completely neglected the piezo-sitck-on solution. very handy, very reasonably priced!

there used to be a commonly available one marketed under the name C-ducer (sorta like contact, sorta like seduction... with a producer involved.) they're awesome, and i'd have to think there's still something like them out there (if not them themselves.)

you use double-sided magic tape to stick these 4 or 6 inch, flexible pickups onto whatever you wanted picked up. they came with a little boost-box (which i think took a 9-volt.) we often used them on empty beer cans 1/4 full of pennies for that heavy-metal shaker effect! sometimes we used small bits of funtak to adhere the pickup strips if the stickyness of  tape was gonna damage the finish of whatever we were sticking them on.

a:c


++++++++
just what the world needs....
another frikkin url
--=====================_22337439==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 17:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02383; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE716BC.4A3291FA@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:52:17 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mic rant - the aftermath... References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011105155929.00ab6210@mail.pdfsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7lPsAB.A.ak.3ax57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anti:clockwise wrote: > i am pretty sure the C1000S is a regular cardiod, and does not extend > itself to utterly rejecting off-axis info. which might well give you > the kind of conniptions you describe. it also comes with an "hypercardiod internal baffle" (little piece 'o plastic) which DOES approximate that hyper-effect... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04717; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:09:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:09:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011105155929.00ab6210@mail.pdfsystems.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011105155929.00ab6210@mail.pdfsystems.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:06:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Mixman Studio Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, i saw mixman studio pro on audiomidi.com for 50 bucks, and it's even cheaper at musician's friend...only 40 bucks. i'm on a mac, using logic as my main recording interface, but this program seems like it might be fun to mangle up wav files and such, then reimport back in. is anybody using this program? is it really cheezy? i definitely would like to mess with at least 44.1/16bit files. any input would be appreciated... best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 18:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07049; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:50:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE7257F.A5044912@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:49:21 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixman Studio Pro? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011105155929.00ab6210@mail.pdfsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found it to be pretty limited in what it can do. OK, for synching some audio to a midi clock, but unless you need to control it in a live situation, you might as well stay in Logic. I downloaded Live by Ableton and it seems a bit more sophisticated than Mixman. Maybe even more so than Phrazer, as it seems to be geared for live performance. Of course, none of these other programs approach $40. Mark Sottilaro rich wrote: > hi all, > > i saw mixman studio pro on audiomidi.com for 50 bucks, and it's even > cheaper at musician's friend...only 40 bucks. > > i'm on a mac, using logic as my main recording interface, but this > program seems like it might be fun to mangle up wav files and such, > then reimport back in. > > is anybody using this program? is it really cheezy? i definitely > would like to mess with at least 44.1/16bit files. > > any input would be appreciated... > > best, > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 19:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09043; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:08:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:08:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> From: "Funkay" To: References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> Subject: Re: MD loops? Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:07:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA > > never heard of such a thing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 19:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10073; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a601c16659$70f4d2e0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> Subject: Re: MD loops? Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:24:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well i did one show where i had some samples on an MD that were on repeat, but it wasn't a very smooth loop, there was like a 4 or 5 second gap. maybe with some delay or something they'd be fine though. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Funkay To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: Re: MD loops? > > > > > > > > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA > > > > > > never heard of such a thing > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 19:35:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10510; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:32:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:32:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:28:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, bmcdevitt@microarts.com, BADGERPUPZ@cs.com, jstevens@fosters.com, thewintercrow@hotmail.com, richard@youngphotography.com, frank2@adelphia.net, scarpia@rumbletree.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Gig spam: Tuesday 11-13-01, Boston-area In-Reply-To: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's that gig spam I warned yer about: When: Tuesday evening, November 13th (a week from tomorrow), exact door time??? Where: Sydney's, 337 Essex St., Lawrence, Massachussetts What: A noisy, loop-heavy multimedia thing Who: (not sure in what order yet, but): *Horchata dark ambient electronic sounds by Mike Palace. *Pine Tree State Mind Control uses subliminal messages and hypnosis techniques to create a happy, productive society. *Turpentine Consumption have been described as 'The Andy Kaufman of Noise', so who knows what to expect? *GKL is Shervin Fatehi, from MIT. He'll be reading some poetry while PTSMC plays in the background. It will be more of a power electronics thing. *Butch, which this time will be: Butch Heilshorn: vocals (mutated and otherwise), circuit-bent stuff Dustin Ruoff: Samples, loops, et cet'ra Tim Nelson: Clandestine guitar, theremin, loops, devices. ******************* Directions to Sydneys from Boston: 93 North 495 North Exit Winthrop Ave/114 West go straight past Showcase Cinemas Bear right at Sovereign Bank & Pizza By Ozzie onto Parker St Go under bridge/train tracks Go across another bridge Turn right onto Canal St Turn left at the "one way" sign Turn left onto Essex St Syndey's is 337 Essex St The club still bears the name "Ye Loft & Ladle" and usually has lots of white Xmass lights outside. Shows are downstairs. ****************************** Hope to see ya there! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 20:04:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13100; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:00:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:00:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE735BC.BA6C953B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:58:39 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: MD loops? References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> <01a601c16659$70f4d2e0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm. Seems like if you're going to deal with a 4 or 5 second gap, why not just get a cheap sampler? There are a bunch of pretty cool ones out there for not much more than a minidisk player. My Roland SP-303 does a decent job and was only $250, and you can get quite a bit of time on a larger Smartmedia card. Just a suggestion. Why would it have to be MD? diatom drone wrote: > well i did one show where i had some samples on an MD that were on repeat, > but it wasn't a very smooth loop, there was like a 4 or 5 second gap. maybe > with some delay or something they'd be fine though. > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Funkay > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: MD loops? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA > > > > > > > > > > never heard of such a thing > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 20:08:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13677; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:03:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Live Looping mp3's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is some fun stuff...enjoying it! some of the turntable wizardry is quite good, in my dj-uneducated opinion. best, rich >Here's a show a friend and I did last spring: > >http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.html > >I'm playing keys and looping with a JamMan sync'd to an MC-303, with >some drum loops via a Dr. Sample. My partner plays turntables, a >couple of ARPs and effects. The show was entirely improvised and >recorded straight to DAT. Check it out, and let me know what you >think! >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music >http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit >"This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer >------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 20:15:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14169; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:12:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:12:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011105200821.007fe900@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:08:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: MD loops? In-Reply-To: <01a601c16659$70f4d2e0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to loop samples from MD all the time, and the gap was very smooth (no audible gap at all) as long as you set the deck to 'repeat 1', and as long as the start and stop points of the loop were compatible to begin with. I finally took the MD deck out of my rack, though, because the loading mechanism was extremely fragile and it had a nasty habit of jamming and shearing teeth off its expensive little plastic gears. (It was a Sony MDS-JE510, BTW, and I understand this is a very common problem with that model.) I still use it in the studio, but it's really not up to the wear and tear live performances were putting on it. -t- At 07:24 PM 11/5/01 -0500, you wrote: >well i did one show where i had some samples on an MD that were on repeat, >but it wasn't a very smooth loop, there was like a 4 or 5 second gap. maybe >with some delay or something they'd be fine though. > >Jon >----- Original Message ----- >From: Funkay >To: >Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:07 PM >Subject: Re: MD loops? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA >> > > >> >> >> never heard of such a thing >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 22:59:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24634; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:55:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:55:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c16676$accbdc60$280217d1@preinsta> From: "ammegand" To: References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> Subject: Re: MD loops? Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:54:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA sorry i guess i deleted the original message.. if you mean people, i'm familiar, i've done it a few times, a few bands whom i am friends with do it.. as for md looping players, i dunno, haven't used a MD besides mine and the ones at the school i went to. whord From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 23:04:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26181; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:01:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:01:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c16677$7c39f900$280217d1@preinsta> From: "ammegand" To: References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> <3.0.5.32.20011105200821.007fe900@pop.metrocast.net> Subject: Re: MD loops? Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:59:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well after reading some more responses on this .. I have no audible difference on md loops. i got a new complaint. forever in debt to your priceless advice. ummm. umbilical noose. n o real problems mit loops. yeah set on repeat 1. but if you aren't talkin about that, but about looping on MD in general, than there is nothing cheaper, more useful and terrific but more limiting than a md rite on ammegand From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 5 23:42:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28168; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:39:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:39:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:37:37 EST Subject: Re: nyc loopfest thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.1c35b028.2918c311_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ba.1c35b028.2918c311_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/01 11:24:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > why not have an international loop fest? > i think it would be great. > with mathias et all.....WHAT A GAS!.....hey MORGAN (HAMILTON LANG) would your school have us for 2 days for a "get-to-gether".....i aint lookin to do "BROADWAY".....im not travelin to do (hear) just a show, but a day and a half to a two day hang, IM THERE, TEA SHIRT AND ALL!! (my LD TEA SHIRT came today, so cool!) BIG THANKS.....wild times....:)m --part1_ba.1c35b028.2918c311_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/01 11:24:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimp@pobox.com writes:


why not have an international loop fest?
i think it would be great.


with mathias et all.....WHAT A GAS!.....hey MORGAN (HAMILTON LANG) would your school have us for 2 days for a "get-to-gether".....i aint lookin to do "BROADWAY".....im not travelin to do (hear)  just a show, but a day and a half to a two day hang, IM THERE, TEA SHIRT AND ALL!! (my LD TEA SHIRT came today, so cool!) BIG THANKS.....wild times....:)m --part1_ba.1c35b028.2918c311_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 00:00:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28864; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:46:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:46:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <73.158c6acf.2918c4e1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:45:21 EST Subject: Re: Air FX and Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_73.158c6acf.2918c4e1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_73.158c6acf.2918c4e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/01 3:53:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > All I know is it seems to > be an untapped treasure. > a great big thanks mark.....info i needed!.....:)m --part1_73.158c6acf.2918c4e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/01 3:53:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes:


All I know is it seems to
be an untapped treasure.


a great big thanks mark.....info i needed!.....:)m --part1_73.158c6acf.2918c4e1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 01:35:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03592; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:32:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:32:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:13:38 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances 11.6.01 and 11.10.01, Before the Fall 11.17.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'll be performing video improvisations (Boston area) with Bop Ants and fellow video artist Walter Wright tonight (Tuesday 11.6.01) at Sydneys, 337 Essex Street, Lawrence, MA, starting around 9PM. This coming Saturday I will be at the Berwick Gallery with a larger cast of (as yet) unindicted co-conspirators. sat nov 10, 8pm - midnite, at the Berwick Institute Noh TV: Marc Bisson - prepared guitar Katt Hernandez - violin dj c - turntables dj flack - turntable + electronics marilda castro - movement deiX - performance Sabrina - film loops drT - video Walter Wright - video - w2 The Berwick is located in Dudley Square, Roxbury. 14 Palmer Street off of Washington Street Directions available on line. www.berwickinstitute.org I will have a slide and video installation "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at the Mobius fundraising party on 11.17. Hope to see some of you there. -- "Trouble ahead, trouble behind, and you know that notion just crossed my mind" -- Robert Hunter Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 06:59:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20383; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE7CFFC.1AC68143@pathcom.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 06:56:44 -0500 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MD loops? References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some MD's have a looping function ...... Mine is on the remote. You can record as much or as little as you desire. What you do is hit the loop function and it will loop infinitely. Try this with multiple MD's ...... 72 min. X's two or as many as you can get your hands on. Fun trick ! Funkay wrote: > > > > > > > > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA > > > > > never heard of such a thing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 08:56:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27744; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:52:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:52:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Help! From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200109181929.PAA26375@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if anyone in NYC could help me with this. I now own three (3!) EDP pedals -- because the switches keep breaking. I have a set of replacement switches and want to learn how to solder them so I can do my own maintenance. Can anyone in NY teach me how to do this -- I'll pay you for your time. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 10:05:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01776; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:02:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d101c166d3$00884df0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <001401c16639$8352df60$ee934e0c@u73x0> Subject: In fashion! Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:54:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <90WCU.A.oa.Vt_57@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've never been hip, but now I'm stylin' with my LD T-shirt! Many thanks, Jason! Great job! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com P.S. Somebody want to do a "group photo"? We post our individual pix and somebody pastes them together. Sort of a synthetic "at the LD picnic" shot? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 10:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02451; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c166d5$586ead00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000c01c16622$2bfce600$0101a8c0@server> <006401c16657$157ebd60$0200a8c0@boop> <3BE7CFFC.1AC68143@pathcom.com> Subject: Mac / ITunes problem Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:11:38 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the Mi2N newsletter, for you Mac users with iTunes... => ITUNES 2.0 INSTALLER DELETES HARD DRIVES; Running The ITunes 2.0 Installer Can Result In Loss Of User Data http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=29447 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 10:22:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02796; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE80DF9.26715455@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:21:13 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In fashion! Group Photo... References: <001401c16639$8352df60$ee934e0c@u73x0> <01d101c166d3$00884df0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, there is a local restaurant that posts pictures of their T-shirts in exotic locations, you know like Pompeii, and Beijing, Iowa City... if any members send me a photo, email or snail mail, i will host a LD page on dimbulb.org just for that purpose. -jas P.S. Unless I contacted you individually, your shirt has been mailed. Dennis Leas wrote: > I've never been hip, but now I'm stylin' with my LD T-shirt! > > Many thanks, Jason! Great job! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > P.S. Somebody want to do a "group photo"? We post our individual pix and > somebody pastes them together. Sort of a synthetic "at the LD picnic" shot? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 10:59:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05508; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:52:54 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: MD loops? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_C8921674.7E1F72CF" Resent-Message-ID: <7zzmfC.A.vUB.9dA67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_C8921674.7E1F72CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A while back I jammed with Miko Biffle doing some way out free improv and = the night before him and his kid were watching some great modern cartoons. He just had got = his MD=20 so he sampled some of the lines from the cartoon and during our jam he = randomly hit off and=20 on his MD which was going through his 10 space rig. Of course it has an = EDP in it and he then was able to loop and mangle it.=20 I was using my kids YAKBACK into my guitar pickups! What fun! >>> ammegand@coacalina.org 11/05/01 07:59PM >>> well after reading some more responses on this .. I have no audible difference on md loops. i got a new complaint. forever in debt to your priceless advice. ummm. umbilical noose. n o real problems mit loops. yeah set on repeat 1. but if you aren't talkin about that, but about looping on MD in general, than there is nothing cheaper, more useful and terrific but more limiting than a md rite on ammegand --=_C8921674.7E1F72CF Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
A while back I jammed with Miko Biffle doing some way out free improv = and=20 the night before
him and his kid were watching some great modern cartoons.  He = just had=20 got his MD
so he sampled some of the lines from the cartoon and during our = jam he=20 randomly hit off and
on his MD which was going through his 10 space rig. Of course it = has=20 an EDP in it and he then was able to loop and mangle it.
I was using my kids YAKBACK into my guitar pickups! What fun!
 


>>> ammegand@coacalina.org 11/05/01 07:59PM=20 >>>
well after reading some more responses on this .. I have = no=20 audible
difference on md loops.  i got a new complaint. forever in = debt=20 to your
priceless advice. ummm. umbilical noose.  n o  = real=20 problems mit loops.
yeah set on repeat 1.   but if you = aren't=20 talkin about that, but about
looping on MD in general, than there is = nothing=20 cheaper, more useful and
terrific but more limiting than a md

rite=20 on
ammegand

--=_C8921674.7E1F72CF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 11:16:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07909; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:12:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:12:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:10:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200111061610.LAA09241@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: In fashion! Group Photo... X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The T-shirt came in today! and it's splendid. and, I have The Repeater coming today too. /t -- The new moon is shining, The harmonious hand is now holding Lord Krishna's ring, the eagle's wing, The voice of mother, everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 11:24:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08339; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:20:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:20:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:18:46 EST Subject: CD Mastering Windows Software To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <156.3891755.29196766@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, all: I was toying with the idea of getting one of the Alesis Masterlinks for the purpose of being able to fool around with playlists. I like to try various permutations of my songs when creating CD-R's. The Masterlink seems like a good tool. By the way, most of my stuff is presently on zip disks from a Roland VS-840EX. Some have been copied into my PC from a TASCAM 788, as well. By the same token, I have a fast PC with a lot of storage that's not seeing much use. I could bring my songs into the PC and use some suitable software to do the same function. What software, though? Regards, Paul "The fool searches for a fart in a dark room" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 11:34:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08883; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:30:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:30:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: audio3@webexpert.net Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20011106113257.00b13540@pop.webexpert.net> X-Sender: audio3@pop.webexpert.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:35:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cd's with long loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I need help. Can anyone tell me of audio cd programs for sale that sell acoustic guitar, electric guitar, and other instruments as lengthy long loops (more than 20, 30 seconds-THE LONGER THE BETTER). If you know of a specific cd title and manufacturer I would appreciate the help. Thanks Lori From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 11:51:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09902; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:47:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:47:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:48:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do my mastering in SONAR (I work for Cakewalk so I'm biased) with Waves Native Gold Bundle plug-ins. I find the C4 compressor to be essential to my mastering process. I just found a new mastering plug-in that I'm probably going to start using. It's by Izotope and the plug-in is named Ozone. http://www.thedirectxfiles.com/manufacturers/iz_ozone.htm. The sound quality is awesome (it uses 64-bit processing) and it features a paragraphic EQ, loudness maximizer, multiband dynamics, multiband stereo imager (keep the bass tight, spread the harmonics, etc), multiband harmonic exciter, a mastering reverb, and spectrum and phase meters all in one plug-in. I really like the interface, you'll need to see it to understand. My only complaint is that it's really processor intensive, and I can only run 4 or 5 of its effects simultaneously in SONAR on my decrepit Pentium II - 333 MHz with 384 MB of RAM. I'm running SONAR on a system under its minimum requirements so I guess I shouldn't complain. Take care, Carl -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com [mailto:PaulPokr@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Mastering Windows Software Hi, all: I was toying with the idea of getting one of the Alesis Masterlinks for the purpose of being able to fool around with playlists. I like to try various permutations of my songs when creating CD-R's. The Masterlink seems like a good tool. By the way, most of my stuff is presently on zip disks from a Roland VS-840EX. Some have been copied into my PC from a TASCAM 788, as well. By the same token, I have a fast PC with a lot of storage that's not seeing much use. I could bring my songs into the PC and use some suitable software to do the same function. What software, though? Regards, Paul "The fool searches for a fart in a dark room" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 12:10:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12926; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:06:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:06:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c166e5$43177800$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:05:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > I do my mastering in SONAR (I work for Cakewalk so I'm biased) with Waves > Native Gold Bundle plug-ins. I find the C4 compressor to be essential to my > mastering process. Ditto with Waves C4. I work with Cool Edit Pro, and absolutely love the Waves Gold bundle. Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18006; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:24:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:24:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.1406a38.29198475@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:22:45 EST Subject: alesis air fx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4e.1406a38.29198475_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4e.1406a38.29198475_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit btw.....who was blowing these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m --part1_4e.1406a38.29198475_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit btw.....who was blowing these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m --part1_4e.1406a38.29198475_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18339; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: cd's with long loops Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:29:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20011106113257.00b13540@pop.webexpert.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0Im-aD.A.AeE.LyC67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Lori, I put out a cd like this. It's distributed by http://www.soundengine.com/html/products/Pluck/PluckWAV.html And here's another (old) info page from the time before SoundEndgine licensed it http://www.boysen.se/cd/ with some demo clips and a full index as well. Not much acoustic though, but quite some "preparated" electric guitar, both ambient and rather aggressive. Each drone evolves over a couple of minutes "on the edge of acoustic feedback". Regards Per Boysen > > Hi > I need help. > Can anyone tell me of audio cd programs for sale that sell > acoustic guitar, > electric guitar, and other instruments as lengthy long loops > (more than 20, > 30 seconds-THE LONGER THE BETTER). > If you know of a specific cd title and manufacturer I would > appreciate the > help. > Thanks > Lori > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:46:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19108; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:43:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:43:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:41:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2001 18:41:16.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E651CF0:01C166F2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried out the alesis master-link and I found its user interface _extremely_ frustrating. Check out ProToolsFree (a free download from digidesign.com). I use this for all my mixing and mastering and I have been very happy. Add a CD-R drive and you're in buissness for $1200 less than a masterlink! Jon >From: PaulPokr@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: CD Mastering Windows Software >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:18:46 EST > >Hi, all: > >I was toying with the idea of getting one of the Alesis Masterlinks for the >purpose of being able to fool around with playlists. I like to try various >permutations of my songs when creating CD-R's. The Masterlink seems like a >good tool. By the way, most of my stuff is presently on zip disks from a >Roland VS-840EX. Some have been copied into my PC from a TASCAM 788, as >well. > >By the same token, I have a fast PC with a lot of storage that's not seeing >much use. I could bring my songs into the PC and use some suitable software >to do the same function. What software, though? > >Regards, Paul > >"The fool searches for a fart in a dark room" > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:49:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19236; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:45:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:45:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c166f2$f1aab5a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <4e.1406a38.29198475@aol.com> Subject: Re: alesis air fx Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:43:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C166AF.E20E9140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C166AF.E20E9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said $199- maybe = just an eager salesman- Thanks-=20 Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: alesis air fx btw.....who was blowing these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C166AF.E20E9140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and = they said=20 $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks-
 
Cliff
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Subject: alesis air fx

btw.....who = was blowing=20 these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C166AF.E20E9140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:49:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19324; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:46:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:46:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.1e18193c.29198983@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:44:19 EST Subject: loop based production article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7c.1e18193c.29198983_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7c.1e18193c.29198983_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Mix --part1_7c.1e18193c.29198983_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Mix --part1_7c.1e18193c.29198983_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:52:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19654; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:49:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:50:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7kcQjB.A.ywE.QCD67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon, I'm interested to hear how you master in Pro Tools free? I was under the impression that it doesn't really include much more than basic editing functionality. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wagner [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software I tried out the alesis master-link and I found its user interface _extremely_ frustrating. Check out ProToolsFree (a free download from digidesign.com). I use this for all my mixing and mastering and I have been very happy. Add a CD-R drive and you're in buissness for $1200 less than a masterlink! Jon >From: PaulPokr@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: CD Mastering Windows Software >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:18:46 EST > >Hi, all: > >I was toying with the idea of getting one of the Alesis Masterlinks for the >purpose of being able to fool around with playlists. I like to try various >permutations of my songs when creating CD-R's. The Masterlink seems like a >good tool. By the way, most of my stuff is presently on zip disks from a >Roland VS-840EX. Some have been copied into my PC from a TASCAM 788, as >well. > >By the same token, I have a fast PC with a lot of storage that's not seeing >much use. I could bring my songs into the PC and use some suitable software >to do the same function. What software, though? > >Regards, Paul > >"The fool searches for a fart in a dark room" > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 13:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19744; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:50:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:50:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:51:07 -0800 Subject: Loop Shirts! From: Allan Hoeltje To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason, Thank you 100% for the fantastic T-Shirt, I will wear it with pride! In fact, it will make its first outing at the King Crimson show in San Fransico, Nov. 14. (Anyone else going? Maybe we could do a Bay Area group photo after the show for the "synthetic LD picnic"?) -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:08:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21581; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:05:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:05:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:01:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm sick of all of this praise for jason, who MERELY got this project finished! where are all of the props for me and kim, who did the really hard work of SITTING on this project for months? huh? you guys have no respect, whatsoever... i can't work under these conditions! rich >Jason, > >Thank you 100% for the fantastic T-Shirt, I will wear it with pride! In >fact, it will make its first outing at the King Crimson show in San >Fransico, Nov. 14. (Anyone else going? Maybe we could do a Bay Area group >photo after the show for the "synthetic LD picnic"?) > >-Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21590; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:03:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2001 19:03:46.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2D9D140:01C166F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm interested to hear how you master in Pro Tools free? I was under the >impression that it doesn't really include much more than basic editing >functionality. You're right, it only comes what some would call basic editing functionality. I'm finding I can do excellent editing of my DAT stereo recordings. It also comes with a compressor, limiter, normalizer, eq's, and a few other basic plugins. That's enough for me to do the mastering I need - nothing professional mind you - but certainly high quality. If anyone knows of another completely free program that even aproaches these capabilities, I would love to try it out! Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21916; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:09:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:09:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106140645.00ad33b0@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:07:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we love you rich! don't go. kisses. At 02:01 PM 11/6/2001, you wrote: >i'm sick of all of this praise for jason, who MERELY got this project >finished! > >where are all of the props for me and kim, who did the really hard work of >SITTING on this project for months? > >huh? > >you guys have no respect, whatsoever... i can't work under these conditions! > >rich > > >>Jason, >> >>Thank you 100% for the fantastic T-Shirt, I will wear it with pride! In >>fact, it will make its first outing at the King Crimson show in San >>Fransico, Nov. 14. (Anyone else going? Maybe we could do a Bay Area group >>photo after the show for the "synthetic LD picnic"?) >> >>-Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:24:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22678; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:21:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:21:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:21:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Gig spam: Tuesday 11-13-01, Boston-area Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > *Pine Tree State Mind Control uses >subliminal messages >and hypnosis techniques to create a happy, productive society. I had a listen to two tracks and they did not work for me. I suffered, actually. Am I doing something wrong? Is it the compression method, maybe? Please tell me how the presentation (he does not want to call it "concert") works and how public reacts. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:25:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22684; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:21:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:21:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Help! (EDP foot switch solution) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was wondering if anyone in NYC could help me with this. I now own three >(3!) EDP pedals -- because the switches keep breaking. I have a set of >replacement switches and want to learn how to solder them so I can do my own >maintenance. Can anyone in NY teach me how to do this -- I'll pay you for >your time. Thanks! you gave up the funny big letters, Steve? I started really liking them ;-) Its obvious that you need a better solution. Better switches do exist. Apparently they are too expensive for manufacturing, but certainly not for you with all those hassles. I am not familiar with the US part market, but I am sure that someone on this list knows a better solution. The conditions are simple: - short action to be rithmically acurate - resistent. I keep repeating: At Paradis we used to modify a Bespeco (Roland kind) of Foot Switch with a tiny disc switch like used in computer keyboards. The are sealed and thus dont oxidate, have the nice short action and cost almost nothing. But they need protection. The Bespeco switch has this large plastic lever and with two aditional plastic pieces it can be modified to the action of the new switch (we actually bought 100 of them unmounted, to have them cheaper) This would be a decent and usefull business for some unemployed silicon person! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 14:40:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24248; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:37:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [128.122.2.2] From: "Terry Lewis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [loop NY] 3 alternatives? Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:35:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2001 19:35:37.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[359F8B30:01C166FA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

What about North Six in williamsburg? two floors...They have thier own sound system...

kid lucky

>From: Tom Ritchford
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: [loop NY] 3 alternatives?
>Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:14:22 -0500
>
>break it up:
>
>1. gig: one or more evenings.
>2. jam: a full day.
>3. meet: two or more full days.
>
>So a gig could be a couple of nights or a repeating series
>at the Knitting Factory.
>
>A jam could be a day on the weekend at some fairly large space
>perhaps out of Manhattan where we could set up and jam in the day
>and have a concert and a party in the evening.
>
>A meet would be in some not-for-profit space for several days
>as in the last message.
>
>
>Let's throw away 3 as being too complicated right off the bat.
>
>
>My personal preference out of 1 and 2 is 2. the full day hang.
>
>
>Option 1 seems to be pretty high-stress because the chances
>of failure seem better than even; failure being defined
>as "being unable to sustain a crowd over several shows".
>
>If we tried to do nine shows at the Knitting Factory,
>what are the chances that one act won't be able to
>play because of technical difficulties and the
>time pressure?
>
>
>
>Option 2 gives us the chance to actually hang out in some
>loft somewhere and play around with the gear and show off
>tricks before the show. Sure, we might have to do some
>more work, like getting a PA in (I have a 600 W/channel PA
>but that might not be quite enough) but we'd have a chance
>to iron out the bugs and to have a lot of fun doing it.
>
>
>The "loft" might still be Chashama... we'll see
>how it goes with them.
>
>
>Thoughts?
>
>http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY
>calendar.
>http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in
>November.
>http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New
>York.
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 15:48:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28764; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE85A2D.3D3F0216@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:46:21 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is it folks, my last public post on the subject. After this, I am out of the shirt business for awhile (maybe a full color commemorative issue for the 10 year LD anniversary?) We do have enough orders to warrant a 2nd printing, and I am ready to start accepting payments. The pricing information is on the Loopers Delight web site, of which the proceeds of this project will be supporting (as if you didn't already know that by now...) Visit www.loopersdelight.com for the scoop. Paypal preferred, but, If you need my address to mail a check, then email me privately and include in that email color, size , quantity (I will place the order before i receive your check, I just wont ship it until the check clears). Deadline for this order is Friday! I know that's short notice, but I have some folks from the previous shirt order that are waiting due to a color/size problem., I gotta rush this one! Any other questions? Feel free to email me (off list). Thanks! -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 16:15:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31449; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:11:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:11:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b801c16707$b07368b0$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:12:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah! Thanks for the design work you hard working procrastinators! ;-P Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! > i'm sick of all of this praise for jason, who MERELY got this project finished! > > where are all of the props for me and kim, who did the really hard > work of SITTING on this project for months? > > huh? > > you guys have no respect, whatsoever... i can't work under these conditions! > > rich > > > >Jason, > > > >Thank you 100% for the fantastic T-Shirt, I will wear it with pride! In > >fact, it will make its first outing at the King Crimson show in San > >Fransico, Nov. 14. (Anyone else going? Maybe we could do a Bay Area group > >photo after the show for the "synthetic LD picnic"?) > > > >-Allan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 16:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31539; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c16707$df429800$8645230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:13:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seriously. Thanks to all and sundry!!! And thank me for thanking you! Thanks to everyone! Yay! Mike "Likes t-shirts lots" ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! > i'm sick of all of this praise for jason, who MERELY got this project finished! > > where are all of the props for me and kim, who did the really hard > work of SITTING on this project for months? > > huh? > > you guys have no respect, whatsoever... i can't work under these conditions! > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 16:23:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31833; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:18:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:18:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE8536D.2ACED28C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:17:33 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm there. Easy to spot. Blue hair. Wife will have candyapple red hair. Come say hello. Mark Sottilaro Allan Hoeltje wrote: > Jason, > > Thank you 100% for the fantastic T-Shirt, I will wear it with pride! In > fact, it will make its first outing at the King Crimson show in San > Fransico, Nov. 14. (Anyone else going? Maybe we could do a Bay Area group > photo after the show for the "synthetic LD picnic"?) > > -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 16:26:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32054; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:22:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE85441.598553AE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:21:05 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: alesis air fx References: <4e.1406a38.29198475@aol.com> <001f01c166f2$f1aab5a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7NoBB.A.G0H.XRF67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it was at the Guitar Center. Actually I got that quote from two different salesmen at two different guitar centers, so.... I've also seen them on sale for that price two. Maybe they just had a lot of stock. (I got it in the Concord CA store. Mark Sottilaro "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said $199- maybe > just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM > Subject: alesis air fx > btw.....who was blowing these out at > $149.00.....thanks.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01353; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:56:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CD Mastering Windows Software Thread-Index: AcFnDf7SgrzdLKscS1OzlJEZL/0xFg== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA01295 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's just two stereo tracks that you've mixed on the Roland, just get something like Sound Forge or Wavelab. The plug ins others have mentioned such as oZone work in Soundforge too. You can use your soundblaster or you could find a better card such as something from Midiman. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02818; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:04:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:04:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: bbrace@mail.wiredmag.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200111061559.KAA06935@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:08:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: { brad brace } Subject: MD loops again Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com see... what I'd like to do is quickly mix/loop/layer short snippets of MiniDisc recorded sounds ('field recordings') -- would the Boss RC20 Loop Factory allow me to do this? (it _seems like it might...?) TIA /:b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02913; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:05:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:06:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Loop Shirts! From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BE8536D.2ACED28C@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Blue and candy apple hair easy to spot? HA! Not in San Francisco. :-) I might be easier to spot: glasses, 6'4" with light brown hair (going slightly gray) down to my waist tied in a pony tail AND a Maroon LD t-shirt. My ticket is for the floor. -Allan on 11/6/01 1:17 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > I'm there. Easy to spot. Blue hair. Wife will have candyapple red hair. > Come say hello. > > Mark Sottilaro > > Allan Hoeltje wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> Thank you 100% for the fantastic T-Shirt, I will wear it with pride! In >> fact, it will make its first outing at the King Crimson show in San >> Fransico, Nov. 14. (Anyone else going? Maybe we could do a Bay Area group >> photo after the show for the "synthetic LD picnic"?) >> >> -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03170; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:08:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c1670f$7e3a39c0$38d7d63f@oemcomputer> From: "Rich Kroll" To: , "Armoured Cables" , "b2" , , , "Brian" , "Daryl Skeeters" , "David C Gross" , , "Eddie Montana" , "Eddie Montana" , , "Emmitt Omar" , , , , , , , "J Wong" , "joe ramas" , "juliet nelson" , "katharine braak" , "L Polonia" , , , , , , "Marshall Paul" , "michael griffin" , "Michael Willis" , , , , , , "Randy" , , , , "sergio" , "Tara Frump" , , "Tony Moore" , , , Cc: Subject: New Email Address Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:07:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C166E5.7BF544E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C166E5.7BF544E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm having problems with my Email. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C166E5.7BF544E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:14:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03336; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:10:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:10:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c1670f$c3e59d20$ac83abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: Subject: Minidisk suggestion Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:09:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16718.25051290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16718.25051290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys,=20 has anyone a suggestion for a portable Minidisk player-recorder with = digital output to transfer audio to pc ? Did I dream or there are (pocketsize) MDs that can record tracks in = different times ? I mean as a two track recorder. thanks for suggestions luca=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- www.unguitar.com ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16718.25051290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16718.25051290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04406; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011106173036.007f2c80@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:30:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Gig spam: Tuesday 11-13-01, Boston-area In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5HjntC.A.XEB.BVG67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:21 PM 11/6/01 -0300, you wrote: >> >> *Pine Tree State Mind Control uses >>subliminal messages >>and hypnosis techniques to create a happy, productive society. >Please tell me how the presentation (he does not want to call it >"concert") works and how public reacts. The way it's been described to me, their set "will feature a speech, some overhead projector work, and loops." I have no idea what to expect! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:42:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04679; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:39:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:39:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011106173520.007ff4f0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:35:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Minidisk suggestion In-Reply-To: <002d01c1670f$c3e59d20$ac83abd4@giogio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9ylgUD.A.wIB.dZG67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For answers to your MiniDisc questions, check out -t- At 11:09 PM 11/6/01 +0100, you wrote: > Hi guys, has anyone a suggestion for a portable Minidisk >player-recorder with digital output to transfer audio to pc ? tracks in >different times ? I mean as a two track recorder. suggestions luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 17:46:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04897; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:43:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:43:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106173650.00ae2c70@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:41:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: loopy song In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011106173036.007f2c80@pop.metrocast.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there. i finally have my repeater integrated in my studio in such a way that i can make music with it. last night i put together a little live jam using the repeater and made a recording of it. you can get it from: http://www.plexusinteractivegroup.com/music/ it's called 'Anthem'. the file is an 8Mb 160bps mp3. download at will. the drums and synth are Rebirth running through Reason and out of individual Audiower8 channels, mixed live. The loops are built up live - there are 4 of them: two fripper guitar loops, the arpeggios and the rhythmic plucking. I am also using 2 filter factories and 2 mofx in this on the auxs to do the filtering and echo. the drum track is going through a ff and mofx. all the manipulations are realtime. tell me what you think. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 18:50:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09165; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:47:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:47:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <139.42c1db8.2919d015@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:45:25 EST Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_139.42c1db8.2919d015_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_139.42c1db8.2919d015_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << You can use your soundblaster or you could find a better card such as something from Midiman. >> I'm using an Aardvark Direct Pro, BTW. But, what I'm looking for is to get the ability to create a number of different playlists so I can select x number of songs (not just a stereo mix of one song), perform what processing is appropriate, then create the whole CD, similarly to what the Masterlink does. I know Wavelab has CD-burning capability but $400 or so seems a bit much as I may or may not get much use out of the program. CD Architect may have been the ticket but it's not being marketed anymore. Actually, a local music dealer had CD Architect copies for sale but I didn't want to deal with the potential hassles of my CD-R drive not being supported or somesuch, as Sonic Foundry is, apparently, not supporting any new development. Regards, Paul --part1_139.42c1db8.2919d015_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << You can use your soundblaster or you could find a better card such as something from Midiman. >>

I'm using an Aardvark Direct Pro, BTW.

But, what I'm looking for is to get the ability to create a number of different playlists so I can select x number of songs (not just a stereo mix of one song), perform what processing is appropriate, then create the whole CD, similarly to what the Masterlink does.

I know Wavelab has CD-burning capability but $400 or so seems a bit much as I may or may not get much use out of the program. CD Architect may have been the ticket but it's not being marketed anymore. Actually, a local music dealer had CD Architect copies for sale but I didn't want to deal with the potential hassles of my CD-R drive not being supported or somesuch, as Sonic Foundry is, apparently, not supporting any new development.

Regards, Paul --part1_139.42c1db8.2919d015_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 18:56:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09238; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BE85A2D.3D3F0216@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:47:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This is it folks, my last public post on the subject. > > After this, I am out of the shirt business for awhile > (maybe a full color commemorative issue for the > 10 year LD anniversary?) > > We do have enough orders to warrant a 2nd printing, > and I am ready to start accepting payments. > I came in late, so I don't know: Did you consider cafepress.com for this? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:09:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11203; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:11:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Minidisk suggestion From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c1670f$c3e59d20$ac83abd4@giogio> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3087907916_695644" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3087907916_695644 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I haven=B9t heard of any MDs with digital out, but I=B9d love to find one, so i= f you track one down, let the rest of us know! Kevin --=20 Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com --B_3087907916_695644 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Minidisk suggestion I haven’t heard of any MDs with digital out, but= I’d love to find one, so if you track one down, let the rest of us kn= ow!

    Kevin
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 --B_3087907916_695644-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:09:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11209; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:05:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:05:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:02:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7rcc_D.A.fuC.hqH67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I came in late, so I don't know: Did you consider cafepress.com for this? >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * John, thanks for the tip! i hadn't seen that site before. however, the main motivation for this excercise was to get us all our shirts we've been screaming for, and to feed kim as much of the proceeds as possible. on the cafepress site, shirts are 14 bucks base cost. which means a significant amount on top of that to get anything to kim and LD. plus, they are printing digitally on the shirts, which means only white or ash shirts only, and (from my experience), not much longevity on the print. a screenprinted white logo on dark shirts, if done correctly, will last until the shirt is coming apart at the seams... it would have been interesting if we had known about this site from the beginning and maybe could have worked around their advantages/disadvantages, but i think jason's done a great job working with his local printer! i must admit i'm suspicious of these sites that offer something for free that requires manpower, organizing, manufacturing and distribution. no one works for free, so the costs are hidden somewhere. internet businesses that worked on the principle of needing maximum usage to recoup for minimal profit margins are quickly finding themselves out of business when folks didn't come rushing in in the numbers they expected. this is my humble opinion only. your mileage may vary. thanks again, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:19:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11757; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:16:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:16:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:15:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 00:15:05.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[403CC270:01C16721] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Long time no see. > I just found a new mastering plug-in that I'm probably going to start using. > It's by Izotope and the plug-in is named Ozone. > http://www.thedirectxfiles.com/manufacturers/iz_ozone.htm. The sound quality > is awesome (it uses 64-bit processing) and it features a paragraphic EQ, > loudness maximizer, multiband dynamics, multiband stereo imager (keep the > bass tight, spread the harmonics, etc), multiband harmonic exciter, a > mastering reverb, and spectrum and phase meters all in one plug-in. I really > like the interface, you'll need to see it to understand. > I agree. This is the best all-in-one mastering tool I've seen yet - forget T-rex, (which sounds awful IMHO - so much pumping and wobbliness - completely unusable). If you have the cpu for it, it's currently the last word in mastering. It's almost more intuitive, though nothing about multiband compression and eq will ever be completely devoid of some fumbling around in the dark for me :> > My only complaint is that it's really processor intensive, and I can only > run 4 or 5 of its effects simultaneously in SONAR on my decrepit Pentium II > - 333 MHz with 384 MB of RAM. I'm running SONAR on a system under its > minimum requirements so I guess I shouldn't complain. > Yes - it's a total hog, but that's to be expected - you are running the equivalent of 8 64-bit plugins back-to-back. Ouch. You say you are mastering in sonar. I assume you are you mixing down first? I would recomend using an offline editor, such as sound forge, to use all the processes at once. Using my almost similarly decrepit dual PII 400, I take snippets of the song, stuff them together to make a shorter, newer file with representative portions of each part plus any trouble spots, master that file, and then master the original with the same settings. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:19:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11758; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:16:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:15:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 00:15:02.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E8A5780:01C16721] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Long time no see. > I just found a new mastering plug-in that I'm probably going to start using. > It's by Izotope and the plug-in is named Ozone. > http://www.thedirectxfiles.com/manufacturers/iz_ozone.htm. The sound quality > is awesome (it uses 64-bit processing) and it features a paragraphic EQ, > loudness maximizer, multiband dynamics, multiband stereo imager (keep the > bass tight, spread the harmonics, etc), multiband harmonic exciter, a > mastering reverb, and spectrum and phase meters all in one plug-in. I really > like the interface, you'll need to see it to understand. > I agree. This is the best all-in-one mastering tool I've seen yet - forget T-rex, (which sounds awful IMHO - so much pumping and wobbliness - completely unusable). If you have the cpu for it, it's currently the last word in mastering. It's almost more intuitive, though nothing about multiband compression and eq will ever be completely devoid of some fumbling around in the dark for me :> > My only complaint is that it's really processor intensive, and I can only > run 4 or 5 of its effects simultaneously in SONAR on my decrepit Pentium II > - 333 MHz with 384 MB of RAM. I'm running SONAR on a system under its > minimum requirements so I guess I shouldn't complain. > Yes - it's a total hog, but that's to be expected - you are running the equivalent of 8 64-bit plugins back-to-back. Ouch. You say you are mastering in sonar. I assume you are you mixing down first? I would recomend using an offline editor, such as sound forge, to use all the processes at once. Using my almost similarly decrepit dual PII 400, I take snippets of the song, stuff them together to make a shorter, newer file with representative portions of each part plus any trouble spots, master that file, and then master the original with the same settings. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:20:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11756; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:16:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:16:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:14:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 00:14:58.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C050C30:01C16721] Resent-Message-ID: <6abTaD.A.K2C.10H67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Long time no see. > I just found a new mastering plug-in that I'm probably going to start using. > It's by Izotope and the plug-in is named Ozone. > http://www.thedirectxfiles.com/manufacturers/iz_ozone.htm. The sound quality > is awesome (it uses 64-bit processing) and it features a paragraphic EQ, > loudness maximizer, multiband dynamics, multiband stereo imager (keep the > bass tight, spread the harmonics, etc), multiband harmonic exciter, a > mastering reverb, and spectrum and phase meters all in one plug-in. I really > like the interface, you'll need to see it to understand. > I agree. This is the best all-in-one mastering tool I've seen yet - forget T-rex, (which sounds awful IMHO - so much pumping and wobbliness - completely unusable). If you have the cpu for it, it's currently the last word in mastering. It's almost more intuitive, though nothing about multiband compression and eq will ever be completely devoid of some fumbling around in the dark for me :> > My only complaint is that it's really processor intensive, and I can only > run 4 or 5 of its effects simultaneously in SONAR on my decrepit Pentium II > - 333 MHz with 384 MB of RAM. I'm running SONAR on a system under its > minimum requirements so I guess I shouldn't complain. > Yes - it's a total hog, but that's to be expected - you are running the equivalent of 8 64-bit plugins back-to-back. Ouch. You say you are mastering in sonar. I assume you are you mixing down first? I would recomend using an offline editor, such as sound forge, to use all the processes at once. Using my almost similarly decrepit dual PII 400, I take snippets of the song, stuff them together to make a shorter, newer file with representative portions of each part plus any trouble spots, master that file, and then master the original with the same settings. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:31:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12701; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:28:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:28:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:26:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >John, > >thanks for the tip! i hadn't seen that site before. I must admit, you grasped the gist of the site and some of its inherent drawbacks quite quickly, from a standing start. >i must admit i'm suspicious of these sites that offer something for >free that requires manpower, organizing, manufacturing and >distribution. no one works for free, so the costs are hidden >somewhere. That's the $14 base price per shirt. As with mp3.com (okay, not as happy an example as one might want,) they take advantage of the low cost of file storage and print to order, so there's no storage overhead. (And I don't feel blue 'cuz there's a zillion of my CDs or shirts rotting in a warehouse somewhere.) I'm not much of a t-shirt guy, myself, tho their shirts seem higher quality than county fair fare. What I lo-o-ove cafepress for are the coffee cups. (Anybody here drink coffee?) That, and the ability to create silly stuff on a whim. >internet businesses that worked on the principle of >needing maximum usage to recoup for minimal profit margins are >quickly finding themselves out of business when folks didn't come >rushing in in the numbers they expected. They've been going for at least three years. (My sites with them are http://www.cafepress.com/justjohn_g and http://www.cafepress.com/justjohn_t .) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12967; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:31:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:31:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:30:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, PS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The "they take advantage of the low cost of file storage and print to order, so there's no storage overhead." bit would have made more sense if I'd written it: "they take advantage of the low cost of file storage and print to order, so there's no PHYSICAL storage overhead." --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:39:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13223; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:36:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c16724$0026a220$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:34:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say I have not ever had results like you describe with T-Racks unless the Comp/Limiter settings were extreme- to call it "completely unusable" would be a diservice to this product IMO- my 2 ciggadies. Ozone sounds cool- cheers for the heads up- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software > Hi all, > > Long time no see. > > > I just found a new mastering plug-in that I'm probably going to start > using. > > It's by Izotope and the plug-in is named Ozone. > > http://www.thedirectxfiles.com/manufacturers/iz_ozone.htm. The sound > quality > > is awesome (it uses 64-bit processing) and it features a paragraphic EQ, > > loudness maximizer, multiband dynamics, multiband stereo imager (keep the > > bass tight, spread the harmonics, etc), multiband harmonic exciter, a > > mastering reverb, and spectrum and phase meters all in one plug-in. I > really > > like the interface, you'll need to see it to understand. > > > > I agree. This is the best all-in-one mastering tool I've seen yet - forget > T-rex, (which sounds awful IMHO - so much pumping and wobbliness - > completely unusable). If you have the cpu for it, it's currently the last > word in mastering. It's almost more intuitive, though nothing about > multiband compression and eq will ever be completely devoid of some fumbling > around in the dark for me :> > > > My only complaint is that it's really processor intensive, and I can only > > run 4 or 5 of its effects simultaneously in SONAR on my decrepit Pentium > II > > - 333 MHz with 384 MB of RAM. I'm running SONAR on a system under its > > minimum requirements so I guess I shouldn't complain. > > > > Yes - it's a total hog, but that's to be expected - you are running the > equivalent of 8 64-bit plugins back-to-back. Ouch. > > You say you are mastering in sonar. I assume you are you mixing down first? > > I would recomend using an offline editor, such as sound forge, to use all > the processes at once. Using my almost similarly decrepit dual PII 400, I > take snippets of the song, stuff them together to make a shorter, newer file > with representative portions of each part plus any trouble spots, master > that file, and then master the original with the same settings. > > Jonathan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 19:58:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14128; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:53:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:53:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106173650.00ae2c70@pop1.sympatico.ca> References: <3.0.5.32.20011106173036.007f2c80@pop.metrocast.net> <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:52:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: loopy song Resent-Message-ID: <5ghnC.A.rbD._WI67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >tell me what you think. > >plexus Loved the bass rhythm stuff. Nice, smooth effort overall. Only quibble: Sounds more like a processional than an "anthem." --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:06:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15987; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:02:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:59:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >i must admit i'm suspicious of these sites that offer something for >>free that requires manpower, organizing, manufacturing and >>distribution. no one works for free, so the costs are hidden >>somewhere. > >That's the $14 base price per shirt. yup. shirts can be bought wholesale for about 2-3 dollars for quality products. i think jason's costs per shirt were down in the 7-9 dollar range by the time he got finished... he would need to confirm, but i think we're giving LD a few dollars per shirt AFTER shipping costs. so if kim is sporting some expensive jewelry or riding in a hot car at namm, we know where the money went! at least he'll see us coming with our shirts on and he can duck out... be sure that $300/hr prostitute wears low heels, kim, or we'll catch up to you and beat the cash outta ya... i do like the idea of being able to produce limited numbers of promotional items at a fixed cost. that's sweet. a local printer would absolutely gouge you to make one offs or very limited runs. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:15:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16382; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:10:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:10:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: David Trenkel Message-ID: <2417.198.88.144.146.1005095677.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:14:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Live Looping mp3's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > this is some fun stuff...enjoying it! > >some of the turntable wizardry is quite good, in my dj-uneducated >opinion. Thanks! I'm not particularly dj-educated myself, but I think JD is pretty great. He's a very fine drummer in addition to doing the dj thing, and has a real musical appraoch, IMHO. > > best, > > rich > > > >>Here's a show a friend and I did last spring: >> >>http://www.newandimprov.com/030201.html >> >>I'm playing keys and looping with a JamMan sync'd to an MC-303, with >>some drum loops via a Dr. Sample. My partner plays turntables, a >>couple of ARPs and effects. The show was entirely improvised and >>recorded straight to DAT. Check it out, and let me know what you >>think! >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music >>http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org >> Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit >>"This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" >> -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:20:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17146; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:17:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:17:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:16:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01e601c16729$d2eaae40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > so if kim is sporting some expensive jewelry or riding in a hot car didn't you see his 911? paid for by you and me and our little email programs... he gets $20 each time i post... and $2000 per ld t-shirt... not to mention $60000 per edp sold... i think he gets a cut of the repeater sales, as well... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:25:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17586; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:22:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:22:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.156.13.247] From: "Haresh Bakshi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Minidisk suggestion Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:20:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 01:20:27.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[61CB8620:01C1672A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SONY MDS JE 630 has digital out, as far as I know. Haresh. ---------------------------- Haresh BAKSHI http://www.SoundOfIndia.com ----------------------------- >From: Kevin Goldsmith >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Minidisk suggestion >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:11:56 -0800 > >I haven¹t heard of any MDs with digital out, but I¹d love to find one, so >if >you track one down, let the rest of us know! > > Kevin >-- >Unit Circle Media >http://www.unitcircle.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 20:54:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18537; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:50:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:50:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c1672e$8a8f7ae0$ed934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:50:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >didn't you see [Kim's] 911? >paid for by you and me and our little email programs... >he gets $20 each time i post... > >and $2000 per ld t-shirt... > >not to mention $60000 per edp sold... > >i think he gets a cut of the repeater sales, as well.. The last I heard he was investing in a Scotch distillery . . . ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 23:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29873; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:33:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Gig spam: Tuesday 11-13-01, Boston-area From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011106173036.007f2c80@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3COEcC.A.ASH.5mL67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/6/01 2:30 PM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > At 05:21 PM 11/6/01 -0300, you wrote: >>> >>> *Pine Tree State Mind Control uses >>> subliminal messages >>> and hypnosis techniques to create a happy, productive society. > >> Please tell me how the presentation (he does not want to call it >> "concert") works and how public reacts. > > The way it's been described to me, their set "will feature a speech, some > overhead projector work, and loops." I have no idea what to expect! > > -t- > yes I feel much better now and I'm up to 16 % more productive and happy. I love you, leader. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 6 23:44:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29623; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:31:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:30:03 -0800 Subject: Re: loopy song From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106173650.00ae2c70@pop1.sympatico.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/6/01 2:41 PM, Brett L Maraldo at plexus@sympatico.ca wrote: > hi there. i finally have my repeater integrated in my studio in such a way > that i can make music with it. last night i put together a little live jam > using the repeater and made a recording of it. you can get it from: > > http://www.plexusinteractivegroup.com/music/ Hey, my wife was in another room reading, and she yelled in (thinking it was me) "Pie, that's beautiful." So I took total credit for it. Psych. I told her who it was. Very nice, though I felt it could maybe use a melody layer that was not looped at all. Just to maybe give the loops something to play off of. Just a suggestion, it's also good as is. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 00:05:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31233; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:54:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:54:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <135.4316f8d.291a1839@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:53:13 EST Subject: Re: Loop Shirts, Second Run:Final Call To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_135.4316f8d.291a1839_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_135.4316f8d.291a1839_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/01 8:54:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net writes: > GLENMORELOOPGIE.....:)m --part1_135.4316f8d.291a1839_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/01 8:54:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net writes:


he was investing in a Scotch distillery


GLENMORELOOPGIE.....:)m --part1_135.4316f8d.291a1839_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 01:36:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04867; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:33:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:33:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Loop Shirts: Fun Facts. Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c16755$c83c7150$0f2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3BE2E1DB.C6FE283D@cabq.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The lone Florida shirt arrived today- Great work! I'm surely the best dressed looper in Florida now. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 01:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05340; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:42:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20011106113257.00b13540@pop.webexpert.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20011106113257.00b13540@pop.webexpert.net> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 04:42:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: cd's with long loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi >I need help. >Can anyone tell me of audio cd programs for sale that sell acoustic >guitar, electric guitar, and other instruments as lengthy long loops >(more than 20, 30 seconds-THE LONGER THE BETTER). >If you know of a specific cd title and manufacturer I would >appreciate the help. >Thanks >Lori if this does not exist yet, LD should compile one! If 30 list members contribute 5 30sec loops each, we sum up a unbeatably experienced and broad styled comercial product! could be a CD-ROM - or do you really want to sample from the CD player on stage? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 05:28:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19804; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:23:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:23:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE90A30.80619163@chello.nl> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:17:20 +0100 From: mango X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN,eu,ca,ko,ja,no,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MiniDisk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are there any MiniDisk recorders that have analogue input also ? ...anyway... just curious. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 06:13:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22700; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:09:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011107060538.007fb5c0@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 06:05:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Gig spam: Tuesday 11-13-01, Boston-area In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20011106173036.007f2c80@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:33 PM 11/6/01 -0800, you wrote: >>>> *Pine Tree State Mind Control uses >>>> subliminal messages >>>> and hypnosis techniques to create a happy, productive society. >yes I feel much better now and I'm up to 16 % more productive and happy. > >I love you, leader. I like how they've included all the negative reviews where people didn't understand the tongue-in-cheekness of PTSMC's 'propaganda' campaign. This should be interesting at least. The set I'm playing should be, too; Butch (the guy I'm backing) called me because I've used some odd hybrid homemade instruments in the past, which is what he wanted me to do Tuesday night. Well, due to the continual flux of those instruments where I'm constantly ransacking stuff for parts (pickups, bridges, etc.), none of the real weirdos are gig-ready, so I'll be using a sort-of conventional guitar much of the time. Butch has instructed me that I should at all times avoid making any sounds that remotely resemble a conventional guitar or bass. Should be fun! -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 06:20:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23080; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:15:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011107061137.007fac10@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 06:11:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: MiniDisk In-Reply-To: <3BE90A30.80619163@chello.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9KjVbB.A.DoF.eeR67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as I know, ALL the home decks have analog ins (the RCA jacks) and only some of them have additional optical ins. I can't generalize about the portable recorders as I don't own one, but I'd assume the mic ins on those are analog as well. Again, should lead you to answers to all these questions and more. -t- At 11:17 AM 11/7/01 +0100, you wrote: >Are there any MiniDisk recorders that have analogue input also ? >...anyway... just curious. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 08:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31636; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:50:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:50:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013701c167ad$6c368500$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: , Cc: , Subject: Fw: [SW] GT-6, GT-3 and 5 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:58:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Btw a friend of mine is moving to France at the ned of this year Can anyone recieve him with open arms? he's a great guitar player with mostly live experience email him at: gatosepulveda@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. LOUAULT" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:20 AM Subject: [SW] GT-6, GT-3 and 5 > Just to say that the bass range seems much more important using the GT-6 > than the 3 and maybe the 5. The Bloke from "La pedale", in Paris told me two > stickists from the area changed their GT-3 for a GT-6 ( sorry, one GT-3 and > one VF-1, the VF-1 not being enough pre-amp'ed, he said). > > > > Evanaïs. > > PS. : That's it, I place my order for one :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Allan Hoeltje > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SW] serious question > > > Rick, > > If you check out the GT-6 could you please post a short review? I am > especially interested in how the GT-6 is different (sound wise) from the > GT-3 or 5, or even the VF-1. > > -Allan > > > on 11/6/01 2:57 PM, rick read at brokenklock@DCI-CORP.COM wrote: > > > I'm thinking of replacing the GT-3 with the GT-6 as soon as I try it out a > bit > > more and make sure it's really worth the switch. > > > > "C. LOUAULT" wrote: > > > >> Thx Chris and Rick, > >> > >> The fact's that I'm already in touch with Thierry and he's often of good > >> advice for all this ( but I must admit his choices concern most of the > time > >> some pro -stuff which price is always far from what I intend to pay > for.... > >> but that's always a good starting point to aim to the right features) > >> > >> I was only wondering about my recent choice of getting the GT-6 I've > tried > >> last week with a BR-08 for recording ... :) I got a bit amazed with the > >> amps simulations even if the Roland staff fiddled once again with effects > >> going from the "hum...well" 'type ( Wah simulations) to the > "Oh..please!!!" > >> 'type ( wierd selections of arpeges...). But the whole apparatus is so > far > >> one of the most complete of its type I've seen... and opens a field of > funny > >> experiments :) > >> > >> Evanaïs. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 08:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31921; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:55:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:55:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c16792$d10b9d50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: MD loops again Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:48:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7rSa4B.A.wxH.m0T67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > see... what I'd like to do is quickly mix/loop/layer short snippets of > MiniDisc recorded sounds ('field recordings') -- would the Boss RC20 Loop > Factory allow me to do this? (it _seems like it might...?) TIA I don't have an RC20, but from your "needs assessment statement", I think nearly any real-time looper will do what you need. That includes Akai Headrush, Boomerang, Line 6 DL-4, EDP, and Repeater. I'd definitely check out the Tools of the Trade section on the LD site: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 08:58:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31922; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.1c630217.291a9718@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:54:32 EST Subject: Re: MD loops?: sony To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone said, >> > > > Any good MiniDisc loopers out there? TIA >> > > > >> > never heard of such a thing at the very least, there's a sony that's a coupla years old. see: http://minidisc.org/part_Sony_MDS-DRE1.html dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 09:29:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02380; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:26:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:22:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200110140707.DAA06685@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3087969778_150953_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3087969778_150953_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of better switches that I could use for my EDP footpedal instead of the standard mouser ones that keep breaking? --MS_Mac_OE_3087969778_150953_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) Does anyone know of better switches that I could use for my = EDP footpedal instead of the standard mouser ones that keep breaking? --MS_Mac_OE_3087969778_150953_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 09:38:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02868; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:35:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:35:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan, Yes I do mix down first. I'm very comfortable with the SONAR environment and I can work very quickly in it, so there's no need for me to go to a 2 track. The advantage that I find in SONAR over Sound Forge is that I can tweak my effects in real-time while the file is playing rather than with off-line processing. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Hi all, Long time no see. > I just found a new mastering plug-in that I'm probably going to start using. > It's by Izotope and the plug-in is named Ozone. > http://www.thedirectxfiles.com/manufacturers/iz_ozone.htm. The sound quality > is awesome (it uses 64-bit processing) and it features a paragraphic EQ, > loudness maximizer, multiband dynamics, multiband stereo imager (keep the > bass tight, spread the harmonics, etc), multiband harmonic exciter, a > mastering reverb, and spectrum and phase meters all in one plug-in. I really > like the interface, you'll need to see it to understand. > I agree. This is the best all-in-one mastering tool I've seen yet - forget T-rex, (which sounds awful IMHO - so much pumping and wobbliness - completely unusable). If you have the cpu for it, it's currently the last word in mastering. It's almost more intuitive, though nothing about multiband compression and eq will ever be completely devoid of some fumbling around in the dark for me :> > My only complaint is that it's really processor intensive, and I can only > run 4 or 5 of its effects simultaneously in SONAR on my decrepit Pentium II > - 333 MHz with 384 MB of RAM. I'm running SONAR on a system under its > minimum requirements so I guess I shouldn't complain. > Yes - it's a total hog, but that's to be expected - you are running the equivalent of 8 64-bit plugins back-to-back. Ouch. You say you are mastering in sonar. I assume you are you mixing down first? I would recomend using an offline editor, such as sound forge, to use all the processes at once. Using my almost similarly decrepit dual PII 400, I take snippets of the song, stuff them together to make a shorter, newer file with representative portions of each part plus any trouble spots, master that file, and then master the original with the same settings. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 10:25:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06561; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:22:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:22:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c1679f$84b68660$8a0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Minidisk suggestion Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:18:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Goldsmith >I haven¹t heard of any MDs with digital out, but I¹d love to find one, so if >you track one down, let the rest of us know! The portable hand-helds that I've noticed have digital in but not digital out. I've only seen ins and outs on table top and rack mount units in the usual music catalogs. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 10:59:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08842; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:54:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:54:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:50:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: [loop NY] 3 alternatives? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What about North Six in williamsburg? two floors...They have thier >own sound system... hey, not a bad idea! the place where Free 103.1 does their shows? the one downside is that you aren't allowed to advertise the address publicly. also, they curate their own stuff... but hey, they might be into a loop fest! /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 12:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16165; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 Message-ID: <002701c167bd$0e7d3110$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: <4e.1406a38.29198475@aol.com> <001f01c166f2$f1aab5a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: alesis air fx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1678A.C391BAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1678A.C391BAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). = They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC deal = they decided to beat it. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: Re: alesis air fx Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said $199- maybe = just an eager salesman- Thanks-=20 Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: alesis air fx btw.....who was blowing these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1678A.C391BAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. = price =20 (by about a buck). They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted = them to=20 the GC deal they decided to beat it.
 
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Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and = they said=20 $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks-
 
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btw.....who was=20 blowing these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C1678A.C391BAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 13:35:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21273; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:32:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Gig spam: Tuesday 11-13-01, (PTSMC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>> *Pine Tree State Mind Control uses >>>> subliminal messages >>>> and hypnosis techniques to create a happy, productive society. >> >>> Please tell me how the presentation (he does not want to call it >>> "concert") works and how public reacts. >> >> The way it's been described to me, their set "will feature a speech, some > > overhead projector work, and loops." I have no idea what to expect! Mark said: >yes I feel much better now and I'm up to 16 % more productive and happy. > >I love you, leader. Well, there is nothing agressive on the site, and someone that believes in what he does and even shows some self-critical side like in this case, should be taken serious for a start, because he may discover something serious. Then if noone exeeds your 16%, we tell him to stop ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 13:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21382; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:33:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <105.befe8b3.291ad83b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:32:27 EST Subject: Re: alesis air fx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_105.befe8b3.291ad83b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_105.befe8b3.291ad83b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for all the info!.....sweetwater is $150. including shipping.....in their latest propaganda they showed the air-synth and i was assured they would have them soon, got my dibbs in already.....the whole idea of effecting things by movement sounds like a blast and would confuse the troops even more, plus it saves schleppin the old cz-5000 around for non-guitar extravaganzas.....plus plus it will make my president proud that i spent some of my hard earned scoot-ol-a.....yikes.....:)m --part1_105.befe8b3.291ad83b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for all the info!.....sweetwater is $150. including shipping.....in their latest propaganda they showed the air-synth and i was assured they would have them soon, got my dibbs in already.....the whole idea of effecting things by movement sounds like a blast and would confuse the troops even more, plus it saves schleppin the old cz-5000 around for non-guitar extravaganzas.....plus plus it will make my president proud that i spent some of my hard earned scoot-ol-a.....yikes.....:)m --part1_105.befe8b3.291ad83b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24814; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:00:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:00:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <008c01c16724$0026a220$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: CD Mastering Windows Software Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:58:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 18:58:52.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DE1CD20:01C167BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have to say I have not ever had results like you describe with T-Racks > unless the Comp/Limiter settings were extreme- to call it "completely > unusable" would be a diservice to this product IMO- my 2 ciggadies. Ozone > sounds cool- cheers for the heads up- > Yes - the only project I was involved in where it was tried to be used was a pretty heavy rap album, that needed to be mastered for a demo in a hurry, but I was able to push other tools at hand closer to the sound required, without the problem. Still, it seemed like it was really easy to push into 'pumpyness' - even when I tried to back off. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:09:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25192; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20011106113257.00b13540@pop.webexpert.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20011106113257.00b13540@pop.webexpert.net> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:47:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: cd's with long loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Hi >>I need help. >>Can anyone tell me of audio cd programs for sale that sell acoustic >>guitar, electric guitar, and other instruments as lengthy long loops >>(more than 20, 30 seconds-THE LONGER THE BETTER). >>If you know of a specific cd title and manufacturer I would >>appreciate the help. >>Thanks >>Lori > >if this does not exist yet, LD should compile one! >If 30 list members contribute 5 30sec loops each, we sum up a >unbeatably experienced and broad styled comercial product! > >could be a CD-ROM - or do you really want to sample from the CD >player on stage? >-- > > Could even be a sound card, for things like my Emu XL-7, which can use cards burned on an E4. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:24:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26100; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:21:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <114.725176c.291ae360@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:20:00 EST Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes: >Does anyone know of better switches that I could use for my EDP footpedal >instead of the standard mouser ones that keep breaking? i've got these big, metal 'non-clicking' thingies in my EDP-footpedal; unfortunately, i've no idea what they're called --- nor the source, thereof, as chris davis (of fishkill/wappingers falls, ny) did the mod for me. one does hafta wonder why, after all these years of EDP-manufacture, the stock units haven't been upgraded??? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:40:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27336; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c167c3$50be0a80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <114.725176c.291ae360@aol.com> Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:35:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like the switches on my Tech 21 amp switch pedal - I love them- I think I'll call Tech up and find out- and change my EDP switches as well- *Note- I had a malfunctioning record button awhile back- saturated it with "Pro Gold" and fixed it up perfectly- love that spray- it is my friend. Om ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) > stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes: > >Does anyone know of better switches that I could use for my EDP footpedal > >instead of the standard mouser ones that keep breaking? > i've got these big, metal 'non-clicking' thingies in my EDP-footpedal; > unfortunately, i've no idea what they're called --- nor the source, thereof, > as chris davis (of fishkill/wappingers falls, ny) did the mod for me. > one does hafta wonder why, after all these years of EDP-manufacture, the > stock units haven't been upgraded??? > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:41:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27422; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:38:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:38:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE98D4D.1AAD3910@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:36:45 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [loop NY] 3 alternatives? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, While a loopfest is of definite interest to the group as a whole, is the planning of it? Wouldn't it be time to figure out who's in on it and start a separate list for this? Let us know when it's happening? Mark Sottilaro Tom Ritchford wrote: > >What about North Six in williamsburg? two floors...They have thier > >own sound system... > > hey, not a bad idea! the place where Free 103.1 does their shows? > > the one downside is that you aren't allowed to advertise > the address publicly. also, they curate their own stuff... > but hey, they might be into a loop fest! > > /t > > http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. > http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. > http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27635; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BE98E1F.23A11C1E@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:43:57 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) References: <114.725176c.291ae360@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > stevesandberg@earthlink.net writes: > >Does anyone know of better switches that I could use for my EDP footpedal > >instead of the standard mouser ones that keep breaking? > i've got these big, metal 'non-clicking' thingies in my EDP-footpedal; > unfortunately, i've no idea what they're called --- nor the source, thereof, > as chris davis (of fishkill/wappingers falls, ny) did the mod for me. > one does hafta wonder why, after all these years of EDP-manufacture, the > stock units haven't been upgraded??? > best, > dt / s-c a bandwagon i'll jump on. i love my edp, but both the footswitches and the pot knobs on the rack component leave a little to be desired (mine's an obie from '98 or so...). the graphics, however, are exemplary. :-) lance g. ps it's good to see the dt/sc matrix re-occillating in this sector(!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 14:50:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28258; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c167c3$fc5ea7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <114.725176c.291ae360@aol.com> <00b101c167c3$50be0a80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:39:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Sounds like the switches on my Tech 21 amp switch pedal - I love them- I > think I'll call Tech up and find out- and change my EDP switches as well- Let us know what you find out. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:10:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30535; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:07:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:07:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: OT: Japanese fuzz box name.... Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:04:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00f301c167c3$fc5ea7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm sorry for this off topic question, but I was talking on the phone, long distance to a guy about effect pedals. He mentioned this old sixties Japanese fuzz box with "a really old-fashioned fuzz sound", but I couldn't hear the brand clearly. It sounded like "Sen Jai" but I don't know Japanese myself. Does anyone have a clue what fuzz box this could be? Kindest regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:13:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30840; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:10:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:08:25 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d301c167c7$f5671190$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <114.725176c.291ae360@aol.com> <00b101c167c3$50be0a80$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <00f301c167c3$fc5ea7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i looked into my tc electronics chorus which has a switch that i like quite a bit. it has a metal button with positive feel and a short throw. it turns out to be a plastic push switch mounted to the circuit board with a metal bezel and push button mounted to the case that actuates it. i think this could work for edp footswitches, but the mechanical work would have to be very accurate... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Help! (EDP footswitch problem) > > Sounds like the switches on my Tech 21 amp switch pedal - I love them- I > > think I'll call Tech up and find out- and change my EDP switches as well- > > Let us know what you find out. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 15:46:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00509; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:41:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:41:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:40:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200111072040.PAA31728@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: [loop NY] 3 alternatives? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > While a loopfest is of definite interest to the group as a whole, is the > planning of it? Wouldn't it be time to figure out who's in on it and > start a separate list for this? Let us know when it's happening? I proposed this before but Kim suggested that we keep it on the list. But I am rather hesitant to spew all this traffic onto the list... (BTW, I was wrong about the N6th space -- I was thinking of a different place... N6th is a new spot which does do electronic music and might be good for a day and a night on a weekend sometime...) /t -- The new moon is shining, The harmonious hand is now holding Lord Krishna's ring, the eagle's wing, The voice of mother, everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 16:37:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04993; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:33:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: re: [loop NY] 3 alternatives? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> While a loopfest is of definite interest to the group as a whole, is the >> planning of it? Wouldn't it be time to figure out who's in on it and >> start a separate list for this? Let us know when it's happening? > >I proposed this before but Kim suggested that we keep it on the >list. But I am rather hesitant to spew all this traffic onto >the list... Basic, newbie question: What do the list regulars consider the optimal message rate for this list? (I'm guessing it's far lower than, say, motu-mac whose rate is such that it sends out about 8 DIGESTS a day. Only reason I'm on that one is that their online search engine is no good.) The NYC ideas interest me -- I'm in Connecticut and fantasize about joining in. . --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 19:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18384; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MiniDisk Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:30:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3.0.5.32.20011107061137.007fac10@pop.metrocast.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011107061137.007fac10@pop.metrocast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01110719303002.01449@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll agree regarding home decks. Most have analog and digital (optical) ins along with analog and digital (optical) outs. However, don't get too excited about a digital copy from a CD to an MD. There's all sorts of conversions done in addition to the MD compression to kill that idea. Still I get great sound from both analog & digital ins on my Sonly MDS-JE510. Regarding portables, my Sonly MZ-R700 (a very common model on the street these days) has a line in that'll accept both an analog signal and an optical one...very cool. Also, there's a stereo mic input that is certainly analog and probably does not accept an optical signal (I'd have to dig out the manual.) Most portables I've seen, however, do not have any sort of digital output. No big deal if you've also got a deck at home, but something to consider. Hope this helps, Todd Pafford On Wed, 07 Nov 2001, Tim Nelson wrote: > As far as I know, ALL the home decks have analog ins (the RCA jacks) and > only some of them have additional optical ins. I can't generalize about the > portable recorders as I don't own one, but I'd assume the mic ins on those > are analog as well. > > Again, should lead you to answers to all these > questions and more. > > -t- > > At 11:17 AM 11/7/01 +0100, you wrote: > >Are there any MiniDisk recorders that have analogue input also ? > >...anyway... just curious. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 20:50:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24642; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:46:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:46:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <61.1620845c.291b3dc8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:45:44 EST Subject: Re: [loop NY] 3 alternatives? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tom; writing you from the depths of pneumonia... I do have that friend/associate Jon Hiltz with the beautiful EAW pa & monitor system if it get's to the loft being the way to proceed... my vote obviously would go towards having the thing oriented more toward people getting up and doing their musical thing (in front of an audience if possible) as opposed to a gear gawk-and-talk fest... s'far as that goes I couldn't be less interested in what gear anyone uses... my 2cents anyway... Leaving for a few dates out west on friday but should be back around the computer end of next week. all the best robby >Sure, we might have to do some >more work, like getting a PA in (I have a 600 W/channel PA >but that might not be quite enough) but we'd have a chance >to iron out the bugs and to have a lot of fun doing it. > > >The "loft" might still be Chashama... we'll see >how it goes with them. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 21:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27083; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:13:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:13:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c167fa$aa0abd40$7e0f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: MiniDisk Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:11:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford >Most portables I've seen, however, do not have any sort of digital >output. No big deal if you've also got a deck at home, but something to >consider. I couldn't find a portable that has digital out but I needed a portable and bought one. This is why I eventually want a MD deck for the studio some day. But I'll wait until they're much lower than the approx $400-500 price tags I've seen. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 22:40:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32392; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c16805$f5e78300$5725d9c8@r5f3d1> From: "IG2" To: References: <4e.1406a38.29198475@aol.com> <001f01c166f2$f1aab5a0$0601a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Rickenbaker schematics OT Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:30:48 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C167F4.FEB46180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C167F4.FEB46180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable somebody need this a week ago? http://www.rickenbacker.com/us/schemat.htm julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Re: alesis air fx Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said $199- maybe = just an eager salesman- Thanks-=20 Cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: alesis air fx btw.....who was blowing these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C167F4.FEB46180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
somebody need this a week = ago?
http://www.rickenback= er.com/us/schemat.htm
julio
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Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and = they said=20 $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks-
 
Cliff
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btw.....who was=20 blowing these out at $149.00.....thanks.....:)m=20
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C167F4.FEB46180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 7 23:24:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03685; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:21:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:21:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEA07D8.7E301514@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:19:36 -0500 From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: music - ethnic, Isreal/Hebrew/? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone once asked a question a long time ago about finding some cool world-techno-type music, a little bit experimental, with a definite Hebrew(?) influence on it. I think I found it. Go to AMG (http://www.allmusic.com/), and search on "Forgiveness" (appears to be both album title and group title there). Last track is a long synthy loop-based production. Blissful. I did a search in the archives on "Israel", "Hebrew", and "Jewish", but I'm not finding the original post, and, unfortunately, I just started using a new computer, so I don't have my own archives through which to search, so sorry if this is redundant, and whoever it is, please post. It's been kind of bugging me. (-: -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 00:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07743; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 03:21:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: airFX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7UvOyC.A.u2B.LYh67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, Could someone that buys such an airFX buy a second for me and send it to Brasil? Thanks a lot Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 04:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22048; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 04:25:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 04:25:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <153.3af24ce.291ba8f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 04:22:57 EST Subject: CD Mastering Conundrum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone out there know the answer to this? When mastering a Loop CD with a 60min evolving loop performance I had trouble splitting the long piece into 6 tracks ( he wanted this to help him listen to the various sections. I split the track up into 6 .wav files (Cool Edit Pro) and then reassembled onto CD (Nero), with 0s pause beween tracks. This produced clicks on the changes from one track to another. I know why this happens, because the CD format works with blocks of samples, so if your .wav is not an exact number of blocks in length it will be truncated. This means that the rejoined sections are then discontinuous, so there's a click. I notice that on commercial CDs that segue (most of Zappa's for instace) the transition is OK, but if you play just one track there's often a click at the beginning or end. I assume this is because the tracks were edited ro exactly the right length for the CD format, and this meant that the change from track to track would only fall onto a zero crossing point by chance. So:- Does anyone have the info 1)How to get round this? 2) How to calculate the length for a .wav file so that there's no truncation? 3) What is the Block size? 4) There also seems to be an issue with the CD format trimming a very small section from the beginning of a .wav, anyone know what's going on here. Well the guy I did the mastering for couldn't hear the clicks, but I reckon this is an issue for the making of loop CDs generally, as it seems very natural to want to split a long piece into manageable tracks (at least some of the time). thanks andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 04:44:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23323; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 04:40:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 04:40:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: CD Mastering Conundrum Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:38:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <153.3af24ce.291ba8f1@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, You have to use a cd burning software that is capable of burning "disc at once" and set the silence between the files/programs to "0" seconds. I was in the same situation as you the other day and I had to move all the wave files from the studio PC to my Mac Powerbook to let the program Jam handle the cd burning. I think cd mastering softwares are also crossfading between the files/programs when burning. Regards Per Boysen > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > > Anyone out there know the answer to this? > > When mastering a Loop CD with a 60min evolving loop performance I > had trouble > splitting the long piece into 6 tracks ( he wanted this to help > him listen to > the various sections. > I split the track up into 6 .wav files (Cool Edit Pro) and then > reassembled > onto CD (Nero), with 0s pause beween tracks. > This produced clicks on the changes from one track to another. > > I know why this happens, because the CD format works with blocks > of samples, > so if your .wav is not an exact number of blocks in length it will be > truncated. > This means that the rejoined sections are then discontinuous, so > there's a > click. > > I notice that on commercial CDs that segue (most of Zappa's for > instace) the > transition is OK, but if you play just one track there's often a > click at the > beginning or end. I assume this is because the tracks were edited > ro exactly > the right length for the CD format, and this meant that the > change from track > to track would only fall onto a zero crossing point by chance. > > So:- > Does anyone have the info > 1)How to get round this? > 2) How to calculate the length for a .wav file so that there's no > truncation? > 3) What is the Block size? > 4) There also seems to be an issue with the CD format trimming a > very small > section from the beginning of a .wav, anyone know what's going on here. > > Well the guy I did the mastering for couldn't hear the clicks, > but I reckon > this is an issue for the making of loop CDs generally, as it seems very > natural to want to split a long piece into manageable tracks (at > least some > of the time). > > thanks > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 05:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25797; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 05:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 05:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: CD Mastering Conundrum Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 02:00:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <153.3af24ce.291ba8f1@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andy- I recently learned how to do this without editing the original file at all- I did it in Wavelab- you just drop track markers in and you are on your way- the markers can be 1 of many choices- start, end, simple track boundary, etc. Anyway- the original file remains in one piece but once in the cd player you will see tracks where you dropped markers- and I burned it right from WaveLab and set it to 0s between tracks for the files I had that were separated as I had lead-in and lead-out already in the tracks themselves- I looked in CoolEdit Pro and didn't see any options for burning, cd program creation, or markers- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Mastering Conundrum Anyone out there know the answer to this? When mastering a Loop CD with a 60min evolving loop performance I had trouble splitting the long piece into 6 tracks ( he wanted this to help him listen to the various sections. I split the track up into 6 .wav files (Cool Edit Pro) and then reassembled onto CD (Nero), with 0s pause beween tracks. This produced clicks on the changes from one track to another. I know why this happens, because the CD format works with blocks of samples, so if your .wav is not an exact number of blocks in length it will be truncated. This means that the rejoined sections are then discontinuous, so there's a click. I notice that on commercial CDs that segue (most of Zappa's for instace) the transition is OK, but if you play just one track there's often a click at the beginning or end. I assume this is because the tracks were edited ro exactly the right length for the CD format, and this meant that the change from track to track would only fall onto a zero crossing point by chance. So:- Does anyone have the info 1)How to get round this? 2) How to calculate the length for a .wav file so that there's no truncation? 3) What is the Block size? 4) There also seems to be an issue with the CD format trimming a very small section from the beginning of a .wav, anyone know what's going on here. Well the guy I did the mastering for couldn't hear the clicks, but I reckon this is an issue for the making of loop CDs generally, as it seems very natural to want to split a long piece into manageable tracks (at least some of the time). thanks andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 06:04:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29079; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:00:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:00:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011108055640.00800320@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 05:56:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum In-Reply-To: <153.3af24ce.291ba8f1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you open the .wav in an editing app (SoundForge, et al), zoom in on the click and tweak it out, or is the does the click happen OUTSIDE the file itself during the transition? If it's the latter, you may have to manually divide the track, making sure to cut on the null point. -t- At 04:22 AM 11/8/01 EST, you wrote: >Anyone out there know the answer to this? > >When mastering a Loop CD with a 60min evolving loop performance I had trouble >splitting the long piece into 6 tracks ( he wanted this to help him listen to >the various sections. >I split the track up into 6 .wav files (Cool Edit Pro) and then reassembled >onto CD (Nero), with 0s pause beween tracks. >This produced clicks on the changes from one track to another. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 06:31:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30434; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:27:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:27:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEA6CDA.62F2708D@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 06:30:35 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: alesis air fx References: <200111080928.EAA22315@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? Elby > > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 > From: "Bill Cummings" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). > They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC > deal they decided to beat it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said > $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM > Subject: alesis air fx > btw.....who was blowing these out at > $149.00.....thanks.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 07:54:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02816; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:51:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:51:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEA7F60.5E8F6687@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:49:36 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: (OT) pc must read mac files Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Salut sorry for the ot but I urgently need to read a Mac CDR on my w98 pc to no awail do you know of a free or shareware that can mount the cd in w98 Thanks for your links Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 08:19:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05200; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:16:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: (OT) pc must read mac files Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:14:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <3BEA7F60.5E8F6687@vtx.ch> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tansmac http://download.cnet.com/downloads/1,10150,0-10001-103-0-1-7,00.html?tag=src h&qt=transmac&cn=&ca=10001 All the best Per Boysen -------------------------------------------- BOYSEN MUSIK MEDIA INTERNET Url: http://www.boysen.se Mail: per@boysen.se Phone: int + 46 (08) 34 11 81 -------------------------------------------- > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Skickat: den 8 november 2001 13:50 > Till: Loopers-Delight > Ämne: (OT) pc must read mac files > > > Salut > sorry for the ot but I urgently need to read a Mac CDR on my w98 pc > to no awail > do you know of a free or shareware that can mount the cd in w98 > > Thanks for your links > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 09:27:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08874; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:23:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CD Mastering Conundrum Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds to me like you did not split the tracks at the zero crossing point. 1. Find the point that you want the split to occur. 2. Zoom in to the sample level in your wave editor. 3. Split at the zero crossing point. 4. If it's impossible to split your stereo file at zero crossing on both the left and right channel. Draw fade-outs at the end of one track and fade-ins at the beginning of the next track so that they split at zero. If you make these fades only a few samples long, you'll avoid clicks, but the fades should be short enough to be indiscernible by the listener. Hope that helps, Carl -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Mastering Conundrum Anyone out there know the answer to this? When mastering a Loop CD with a 60min evolving loop performance I had trouble splitting the long piece into 6 tracks ( he wanted this to help him listen to the various sections. I split the track up into 6 .wav files (Cool Edit Pro) and then reassembled onto CD (Nero), with 0s pause beween tracks. This produced clicks on the changes from one track to another. I know why this happens, because the CD format works with blocks of samples, so if your .wav is not an exact number of blocks in length it will be truncated. This means that the rejoined sections are then discontinuous, so there's a click. I notice that on commercial CDs that segue (most of Zappa's for instace) the transition is OK, but if you play just one track there's often a click at the beginning or end. I assume this is because the tracks were edited ro exactly the right length for the CD format, and this meant that the change from track to track would only fall onto a zero crossing point by chance. So:- Does anyone have the info 1)How to get round this? 2) How to calculate the length for a .wav file so that there's no truncation? 3) What is the Block size? 4) There also seems to be an issue with the CD format trimming a very small section from the beginning of a .wav, anyone know what's going on here. Well the guy I did the mastering for couldn't hear the clicks, but I reckon this is an issue for the making of loop CDs generally, as it seems very natural to want to split a long piece into manageable tracks (at least some of the time). thanks andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 09:50:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10082; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:46:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:46:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018a01c16863$16c031f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:38:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, definitely use "disc at once". In my case, I had a minidisc recording that I broke up into seperate tracks via the MD editing facilities. Then I transferred each track into a seperate .WAV file. I used CoolEdit to trim the .WAV files. It worked fine except for an additional "gotcha" - When I saved the files from CoolEdit, I needed to not save "additional info". This is some option you either select or deselect (I'm not in front of my CoolEdit box right now). When I burned a CD with "disc at once" *and* the files had the "additional info", then the burner software apparently doesn't strip the additional info, and I got a burst of noise at each splice. When I resaved the files without the "additional info" and burned another disc, the splice points were inaudible. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 11:04:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19266; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEAABE5.67769EC5@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:59:33 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Central Coast Loop Festival References: <200111080928.EAA22310@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Cc: max valentino Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all- I think I've found a good spot for the first Central Coast Loop Festival. It's a dance studio in San Luis Obispo, CA (approximately four hours from San Francisco and three from Los Angeles on the 101). It's basically a warehouse type of space, but I can get it cheap (I'd like for this to be a free event) and it should be large enough for our purpose. The studio is available after 4pm on Saturdays, so I'm considering a one-evening type of event. I'm hoping that this can be a central meeting place for loopers from California and beyond. February/March is the time frame I'm shooting for - let's call it March 2nd. I'll provide the PA, unless anyone has Special Needs. Anyone interested in participating, please send me an e-mail. This will not commit you to anything, but it will give ma an idea of how many people are likely to be involved. I'll also welcome any comments and suggestions, and answer any questions to the best of my ability. Keep on Looping, Hans Lindauer hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 11:32:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21427; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:27:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2417.198.88.144.146.1005095677.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <2417.198.88.144.146.1005095677.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:22:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: recent favourites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6hyKSD.A.rLF.AJr67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loophedz, gotta get something resembling work done today. if y'all want to, list up 5 recent faves you've been listening to. something old, something new, something nice? here's mine: 1. The Dub Factory: Revolution. Qawali meets roots reggae. ISHQ Records, 2000. This is a mix of dancehall style dub with a Quwalli singer doing stuff on the top. a quirky mix that just makes you smile, and then the cool groove of it all settles in...good production, not too cheezy. presented by Bally Sagoo, who can be cheezy, at times. finally figured out how to get that dub delay style down via logic and live on my mixer. such a great sound. 2. Lalo Schifren: Mission Impossible and more! best of, 62-72. Oh man, this one swings. a different mix of the tv show theme on the last track, with dissonnant horn stabs that sound like straight from a fight scene of the old tv show 'Batman'. cool other tracks like 'Maria', 'theme from 'medical center'', and 'lalo's bossa nova'. 3. Soundtrack: O Brother Where art thou? 4. Richard Peikoff and Buzz Feiten EP. personal plug here. this disc is a five song ep from my guitar instructor, mr. peikoff. awesome, beautiful acoustic duo with buzz feiten, who is responsible for designing a unique tuning system for the quitar which supposedly has superior intonation. adopted by washburn and a few other guitar manufacturers. besides all that, this is a great record. richard also has a new one coming out mixed by LD's own cliff novey. look out!... cliff might have richard's web address. i don't think i've got it at the moment. 5. Soundtrack: Finding Forrester. miles, frissell, and others, with 2 ornette coleman tracks i shamefully skip past (every time! i think i'm gonna reburn a new mix without those tracks). plus a remix of 'in a silent way' by DJ Cam. why do we insist on adding beats to everything, these days? great disc, IMO. seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 11:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22695; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 08:41:49 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: Central Coast Loop Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006801c16874$43456180$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200111080928.EAA22310@hemlock.violacea.com> <3BEAABE5.67769EC5@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Hans... Miko here up in Santa Cruz! I'd love to stay informed about this. It would be a fairly short drive and I'd love to do some playing. Rick Walker is in this town too and would probably want to come down. We could drive together. Best, -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Lindauer To: Cc: max valentino Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: Central Coast Loop Festival > Hello all- > > I think I've found a good spot for the first Central Coast Loop > Festival. It's a dance studio in San Luis Obispo, CA (approximately > four hours from San Francisco and three from Los Angeles on the 101). > It's basically a warehouse type of space, but I can get it cheap (I'd > like for this to be a free event) and it should be large enough for our > purpose. The studio is available after 4pm on Saturdays, so I'm > considering a one-evening type of event. I'm hoping that this can be a > central meeting place for loopers from California and beyond. > February/March is the time frame I'm shooting for - let's call it March > 2nd. I'll provide the PA, unless anyone has Special Needs. > > Anyone interested in participating, please send me an e-mail. This will > not commit you to anything, but it will give ma an idea of how many > people are likely to be involved. I'll also welcome any comments and > suggestions, and answer any questions to the best of my ability. > > Keep on Looping, > > Hans Lindauer > hans@ernieball.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 11:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23387; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.53.97] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Central Coast Loop Festival Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:48:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2001 16:48:38.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[371F8740:01C16875] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ALRIGHT!!! I am over in Tehachapi....count me in!!! I am sure Rick Walker, and maybe Miko could make it down from Santa Cruz, maybe Trey Donovan also? Let me know if there is anythingI can do. MAx Valentino >From: Hans Lindauer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >CC: max valentino >Subject: Central Coast Loop Festival >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:59:33 -0800 > >Hello all- > >I think I've found a good spot for the first Central Coast Loop >Festival. It's a dance studio in San Luis Obispo, CA (approximately >four hours from San Francisco and three from Los Angeles on the 101). >It's basically a warehouse type of space, but I can get it cheap (I'd >like for this to be a free event) and it should be large enough for our >purpose. The studio is available after 4pm on Saturdays, so I'm >considering a one-evening type of event. I'm hoping that this can be a >central meeting place for loopers from California and beyond. >February/March is the time frame I'm shooting for - let's call it March >2nd. I'll provide the PA, unless anyone has Special Needs. > >Anyone interested in participating, please send me an e-mail. This will >not commit you to anything, but it will give ma an idea of how many >people are likely to be involved. I'll also welcome any comments and >suggestions, and answer any questions to the best of my ability. > >Keep on Looping, > >Hans Lindauer >hans@ernieball.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 11:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23328; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:49:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:49:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: recent favourites Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:50:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool list, 1. BT - R&R: Disc 2 is my favorite. This guy is an audio editing & production maniac. Read the interview in Keyboard this month, you'll get the idea. 2. Herbie Hancock - Future2Future: Bill Laswell and Herbie team up again to bring Future Shock up to date. Colaborations with DJs and electronic musicians. Tasty piano on this one and some amazing playing by Wayne Shorter 3. Aphex Twin - Drukqs: over 100 minutes of long overdue material. Pretty much what you would expect from AT 4. Nils Petter Molvaer - Khmer: What it would sound like if Miles Davis solo'd over the soundtrack to The Last Temptation of Christ. 5. Coltrane - Olatunji: Coltrane's last recorded live performance. Terrible sound quality, but some of his most inspired live playing I've ever heard. If you talk to me next week I might have a completely different list. My dad just gave me his turntable & vinyl collection...over 11 feet of albums! I get my eclectic taste in music from him, so I think I'm in for a treat. Buzz is amazing, I once had the pleasure of demoing in the booth next to him at NAMM. Talk about performance anxiety...He was playing and the CEO of the company I was working for at the time wanted me to turn up to drown him out...that didn't happen, and that CEO is now looking for work. That In a Silent way remix is also on another disc I've been listening to lately "Panthalassa: the Remixes." 5 remixes of the Miles Davis tracks remixed by Bill Laswell. Later, Carl -----Original Message----- From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: recent favourites hey loophedz, gotta get something resembling work done today. if y'all want to, list up 5 recent faves you've been listening to. something old, something new, something nice? here's mine: 1. The Dub Factory: Revolution. Qawali meets roots reggae. ISHQ Records, 2000. This is a mix of dancehall style dub with a Quwalli singer doing stuff on the top. a quirky mix that just makes you smile, and then the cool groove of it all settles in...good production, not too cheezy. presented by Bally Sagoo, who can be cheezy, at times. finally figured out how to get that dub delay style down via logic and live on my mixer. such a great sound. 2. Lalo Schifren: Mission Impossible and more! best of, 62-72. Oh man, this one swings. a different mix of the tv show theme on the last track, with dissonnant horn stabs that sound like straight from a fight scene of the old tv show 'Batman'. cool other tracks like 'Maria', 'theme from 'medical center'', and 'lalo's bossa nova'. 3. Soundtrack: O Brother Where art thou? 4. Richard Peikoff and Buzz Feiten EP. personal plug here. this disc is a five song ep from my guitar instructor, mr. peikoff. awesome, beautiful acoustic duo with buzz feiten, who is responsible for designing a unique tuning system for the quitar which supposedly has superior intonation. adopted by washburn and a few other guitar manufacturers. besides all that, this is a great record. richard also has a new one coming out mixed by LD's own cliff novey. look out!... cliff might have richard's web address. i don't think i've got it at the moment. 5. Soundtrack: Finding Forrester. miles, frissell, and others, with 2 ornette coleman tracks i shamefully skip past (every time! i think i'm gonna reburn a new mix without those tracks). plus a remix of 'in a silent way' by DJ Cam. why do we insist on adding beats to everything, these days? great disc, IMO. seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 11:58:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24040; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:54:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:54:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:53:17 -0800 Subject: Re: alesis air fx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3BEA6CDA.62F2708D@cloud9.net> Message-Id: <1B3D0F50-D469-11D5-BB74-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <1aSWo.A.E1F.1ir67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doesn't exist yet, unless someone's been to NAMM or has an inside lead. Mark On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 03:30 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? > > Elby > >> >> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 >> From: "Bill Cummings" >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). >> They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC >> deal they decided to beat it. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM >> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >> Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said >> $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM >> Subject: alesis air fx >> btw.....who was blowing these out at >> $149.00.....thanks.....:)m >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 12:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24464; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:57:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:57:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: alesis air fx Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:58:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No they exist, Someone I work with has one. He likes the AirFX better. It came out last year. http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: alesis air fx Doesn't exist yet, unless someone's been to NAMM or has an inside lead. Mark On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 03:30 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? > > Elby > >> >> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 >> From: "Bill Cummings" >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). >> They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC >> deal they decided to beat it. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM >> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >> Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said >> $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM >> Subject: alesis air fx >> btw.....who was blowing these out at >> $149.00.....thanks.....:)m >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 12:07:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26493; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:04:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:04:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:08:59 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: music - ethnic, Isreal/Hebrew/? In-Reply-To: <3BEA07D8.7E301514@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk wrote: > Someone once asked a question a long time ago about finding some cool > world-techno-type music, a little bit experimental, with a definite > Hebrew(?) influence on it. I think I found it. Go to AMG > (http://www.allmusic.com/), and search on "Forgiveness" (appears to > be both album title and group title there). Last track is a long > synthy loop-based production. Blissful. The album I thought of when reading this is Wally Brill's _The Covenant_, sampling cantors from the early 20th century off of old 78rpm vinyl and looping their words and electronic instrumentation over the vocals. regards, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 12:27:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27595; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:23:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:23:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.112.76.113] From: "richard dyson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new with questions Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:21:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2001 17:21:53.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC210E90:01C16879] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi list, been lurking for a while, time to say hello and ask questions. listening to an artist called papa m / aerial m (aka david pajo ex slint & sterolab among others) got me interested in looping, but have also picked up a few new favourites from recommendations on this list. my beginners question - is there somewhere on the web with info on midi foot control pedals and the usage of these - i've just acquired a 2nd hand digitech mc7 with no manual and & want to control chained up rack mounted effects with it (korg am8000, sony dpsv55, yam rev100). i really just want simple program up/down, it'll save me buying the tech 21 midi mouse if i can get it going. i don't actually need it for looping as i have a boss rc-20 (where's the undo button?) until i can afford something higher level. peace & thanks Richard _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 12:40:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28641; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:36:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:35:12 -0800 Subject: Re: alesis air fx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Really? Everyone I've talked to said they never shipped. Alesis keeps moving the ship date farther and farther away as far as I can tell. Mark On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 08:58 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > No they exist, Someone I work with has one. He likes the AirFX better. > It > came out last year. > > http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > > > Doesn't exist yet, unless someone's been to NAMM or has an inside lead. > > Mark > > On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 03:30 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > >> So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? >> >> Elby >> >>> >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >>> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 >>> From: "Bill Cummings" >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). >>> They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC >>> deal they decided to beat it. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >>> Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said >>> $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM >>> Subject: alesis air fx >>> btw.....who was blowing these out at >>> $149.00.....thanks.....:)m >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:07:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31827; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:04:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:04:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:11:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: OT: Japanese fuzz box name.... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per- Sounds like Shin-ei, a quick look around Musictoyz found a mention of them briefly putting out the Uni-Vibe in the 70's, but I'm sure a little more research would find your fuzz pedal. Good luck! Mark >Hi, > >I'm sorry for this off topic question, but I was talking on the phone, long >distance to a guy about effect pedals. He mentioned this old sixties >Japanese fuzz box with "a really old-fashioned fuzz sound", but I couldn't >hear the brand clearly. It sounded like "Sen Jai" but I don't know Japanese >myself. > >Does anyone have a clue what fuzz box this could be? > >Kindest regards > >Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:07:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31564; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:03:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:11:39 -0600 Message-ID: <00d301c16889$37d3f310$1f64a8c0@billscomp> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" References: Subject: Re: alesis air SYNTH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <66UWoC.A.PrH.bis67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw one a while back at Guitar Center (didn't get to play with it though) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: Re: alesis air fx > Really? Everyone I've talked to said they never shipped. Alesis keeps > moving the ship date farther and farther away as far as I can tell. > > Mark > > On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 08:58 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com > wrote: > > > No they exist, Someone I work with has one. He likes the AirFX better. > > It > > came out last year. > > > > http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:53 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > > > > > > Doesn't exist yet, unless someone's been to NAMM or has an inside lead. > > > > Mark > > > > On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 03:30 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > > > >> So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? > >> > >> Elby > >> > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx > >>> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 > >>> From: "Bill Cummings" > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> > >>> I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). > >>> They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC > >>> deal they decided to beat it. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM > >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx > >>> Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said > >>> $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM > >>> Subject: alesis air fx > >>> btw.....who was blowing these out at > >>> $149.00.....thanks.....:)m > >>> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:08:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32176; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:05:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: alesis air fx Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:06:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops...I might be wrong. I just talked to him, he said he played with it at NAMM. I was under the impression that he had it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: alesis air fx Really? Everyone I've talked to said they never shipped. Alesis keeps moving the ship date farther and farther away as far as I can tell. Mark On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 08:58 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com wrote: > No they exist, Someone I work with has one. He likes the AirFX better. > It > came out last year. > > http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > > > Doesn't exist yet, unless someone's been to NAMM or has an inside lead. > > Mark > > On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 03:30 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > >> So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? >> >> Elby >> >>> >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >>> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 >>> From: "Bill Cummings" >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). >>> They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC >>> deal they decided to beat it. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx >>> Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said >>> $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM >>> Subject: alesis air fx >>> btw.....who was blowing these out at >>> $149.00.....thanks.....:)m >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00614; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:13:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:13:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: alesis air fx Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:12:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: alesis air fx Thread-Index: AcFogQUqF3ga/G2/R72uUBzKSQsgDg== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA00469 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't believe it won't have a midi out. It would be a great alternative to something like a Kaos pad in addition to the cool theremin stuff. I'd love to be able to connect it to my Korg Karma. http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html (check out the program chart pdf file!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:25:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01541; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:19:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: RE: alesis air fx Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I can't believe it won't have a midi out. My reaction exactly, when I first saw it ... I leafed thru the Sweetwater catalog, going, "Okay, synth version, FX version .... where's the friggin' MIDI controller??" --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:25:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01905; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:22:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:22:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c16882$28c32780$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <2417.198.88.144.146.1005095677.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: recent favourites Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:18:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes- currently in transit from old to new- but there are a few samples on the temp page- http://bogdoc.com/richard/ Cliff PS- The new album is called 'Horizontal" and has a great ending track named "Epilogue" which was built on a loop taken from an otherwise unused take. I'll inform when it is available- Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: recent favourites richard > also has a new one coming out mixed by LD's own cliff novey. look > out!... cliff might have richard's web address. i don't think i've > got it at the moment. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:26:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02225; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:23:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:23:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c16882$586d9ba0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Om_Audio \(Clifford Novey\)" To: References: Subject: Re: alesis air fx Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:22:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw "Chicks On Speed" with one about 6 months ago- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: RE: alesis air fx > Oops...I might be wrong. I just talked to him, he said he played with it at > NAMM. I was under the impression that he had it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > > > Really? Everyone I've talked to said they never shipped. Alesis keeps > moving the ship date farther and farther away as far as I can tell. > > Mark > > On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 08:58 AM, CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com > wrote: > > > No they exist, Someone I work with has one. He likes the AirFX better. > > It > > came out last year. > > > > http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:53 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > > > > > > Doesn't exist yet, unless someone's been to NAMM or has an inside lead. > > > > Mark > > > > On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 03:30 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > > > >> So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? > >> > >> Elby > >> > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx > >>> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:50:22 -0600 > >>> From: "Bill Cummings" > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> > >>> I just got www.zzounds.com to beat the $149. price (by about a buck). > >>> They had it advertised at $199., but after I alerted them to the GC > >>> deal they decided to beat it. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Clifford@BienAppraisers > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:43 PM > >>> Subject: Re: alesis air fx > >>> Yeah- what he asked... I called Hollywood GC and they said > >>> $199- maybe just an eager salesman- Thanks- Cliff > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:22 AM > >>> Subject: alesis air fx > >>> btw.....who was blowing these out at > >>> $149.00.....thanks.....:)m > >>> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:49:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03854; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:43:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00742C9@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Japanese fuzz box name.... Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:40:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C16884.D4EE8DE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16884.D4EE8DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" there's something that sounds like this being sold on harmony central right now. not cheap, but not outrageous (at least to me). it's under the hearding "COMPANION FY-2 FUZZ (Fulltone, Muff, Face, Zvex)." i'm not affiliated so don't ask me about anything . . . stig -----Original Message----- From: landman@wco.com [mailto:landman@wco.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Japanese fuzz box name.... Per- Sounds like Shin-ei, a quick look around Musictoyz found a mention of them briefly putting out the Uni-Vibe in the 70's, but I'm sure a little more research would find your fuzz pedal. Good luck! Mark >Hi, > >I'm sorry for this off topic question, but I was talking on the phone, long >distance to a guy about effect pedals. He mentioned this old sixties >Japanese fuzz box with "a really old-fashioned fuzz sound", but I couldn't >hear the brand clearly. It sounded like "Sen Jai" but I don't know Japanese >myself. > >Does anyone have a clue what fuzz box this could be? > >Kindest regards > >Per Boysen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16884.D4EE8DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Japanese fuzz box name....

there's something that sounds like this being sold on = harmony central right now. not cheap, but not outrageous (at least to = me). it's under the hearding "COMPANION FY-2 FUZZ (Fulltone, Muff, = Face, Zvex)."

i'm not affiliated so don't ask me about anything . . = .


stig

-----Original Message-----
From: landman@wco.com [mailto:landman@wco.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:12 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: Japanese fuzz box name....


Per-

Sounds like Shin-ei, a quick look around Musictoyz = found a mention of them
briefly putting out the Uni-Vibe in the 70's, but = I'm sure a little more
research would find your fuzz pedal.

Good luck!

Mark

>Hi,
>
>I'm sorry for this off topic question, but I was = talking on the phone, long
>distance to a guy about effect pedals. He = mentioned this old sixties
>Japanese fuzz box with "a really = old-fashioned fuzz sound", but I couldn't
>hear the brand clearly. It sounded like = "Sen Jai" but I don't know Japanese
>myself.
>
>Does anyone have a clue what fuzz box this could = be?
>
>Kindest regards
>
>Per Boysen

------_=_NextPart_001_01C16884.D4EE8DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 13:52:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04497; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:49:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108104010.01bd7628@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:48:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: alesis air fx In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2001 18:46:31.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEFD9D00:01C16885] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wolf, Bill (10:12 AM 11.08.2001) wrote: >I can't believe it won't have a midi out. It would be a great >alternative to something like a Kaos pad in addition to the cool >theremin stuff. I'd love to be able to connect it to my Korg Karma. > >http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html (check out the >program chart pdf file!) In the original market model for both boxes, Alesis (actually, the boxes are a pet project of the then Prez of Alesis), put a higher priority on retail price than features. At one point MIDI was in the plan, but was dropped because of the added complexity and development time - i.e, cost. Before the business issues there were "well substantiated rumblings" about a new version coming out that fit into the _original_ plan. i.e. MIDI'd. :) But, those rumblings "back then" weren't even supposed to hit until Winter NAMM 2002, and given the change in hands, there's no telling that they will ever pan out. If you're looking for a "hand waving" controller, there are other options. One is Paul Perry's SpaceBeam: http://www.frostwave.com/spacebeam/ It generates CV, not MIDI, but CV->MIDI is around as well. There're also extensive (i.e. expensive) things like the Buchla Lighting. :) http://www.buchla.com/lightning/index.html Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 14:14:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07079; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:09:39 -0500 Subject: Boomerang From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a random note ... I started playing with the decay rates on the Boomerang last night, effectively using it as a tap-tempo delay unit and with that in conjunction with my Boss digital delay was able to do some groovy things that I hadn't previously been able ... I was pretty happy about that because I hadn't really been using the 'Rang for much since I bought it. Guess I should read manuals more often, eh? =) Anyone have some examples of multiple delay units going on like this at the same time that I could download and hear? Thanks!! Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 14:57:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09511; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:54:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:54:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:52:26 EST Subject: Re: music - ethnic, Isreal/Hebrew/? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sburnett@webslingerz.com writes: >The album I thought of when reading this is Wally Brill's _The Covenant_, >sampling cantors from the early 20th century off of old 78rpm vinyl and >looping their words and electronic instrumentation over the vocals. if i remember correctly, there are some torn loops, gtrs & oud contributions to that recording on 6 Degrees..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:07:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10101; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:58:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:57:08 EST Subject: Re: recent favourites To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not so new, but recent faves: oval - ovalcommers nobukazi takamura - scope terje rypdal - descendre centrozoon - the cult of bibbiboo squarepusher - go plastic (tracks #10 & #9, only) yoshihiro hanno - april mouse on mars - idiology (?) (fun) dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:32:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13139; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:27:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:27:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:31:54 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: music - ethnic, Isreal/Hebrew/? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <6nTJNC.A.7JD._pu67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > sburnett@webslingerz.com writes: > > >The album I thought of when reading this is Wally Brill's _The Covenant_, > >sampling cantors from the early 20th century off of old 78rpm vinyl and > >looping their words and electronic instrumentation over the vocals. > > if i remember correctly, there are some torn loops, gtrs & oud contributions > to that recording on 6 Degrees..... > best, > dt / s-c > I see David Torn credited in the liner notes of the copy I'm holding with guitars and loops on three tracks. No mention of oud, but I'll certainly take your word for it :). best, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 15:34:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13670; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:31:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:31:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEAE8FF.34CC23B8@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:20:15 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EDP Pot Specs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- Does anyone have a part specification for the EDP front panel potentiometers and/or a Mouser part number? I need to replace my feedback pot. Thanks, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18512; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <81.12bfa264.291c55c7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:40:23 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_81.12bfa264.291c55c7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_81.12bfa264.291c55c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/01 2:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > > > I started playing with the decay rates on the Boomerang last night, > mike.....could you give us an example of what you did?.....:)m --part1_81.12bfa264.291c55c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/01 2:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:




   I started playing with the decay rates on the Boomerang last night,
effectively using it as a tap-tempo delay unit


mike.....could you give us an example of what you did?.....:)m --part1_81.12bfa264.291c55c7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:51:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19329; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c168b9$37c23f00$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: "j_laso" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Priscila_Escudero_Garc=EDa?= Cc: Subject: Fw: Team Sleep Tour Dates Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:49:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "teamsleep.com" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: Team Sleep Tour Dates > Thank you for signing up to the teamsleep.com mailing list. > > We are pleased to announce Teams Sleep's debut tour alongside Phallucy. > > The dates are as follows: > > December 13th Ashland, OR - Armory > December 14th Seattle, WA - Graceland > December 15th Portland, OR - B complex > December 17th San Francisco, CA - Bottom Of The Hill > December 18th San Jose, CA - Cactus Club > December 19th West Hollywood, CA - Troubadour > December 20th San Diego, CA - Canes > December 21st Pomona, CA - Glass House > December 22nd Santa Cruz - Catalyst > December 23rd Sacramento, CA - Colonial Theater* > > * Tentative > > www.teamsleep.com > > ------------------ > Click on the link below to be removed from the teamsleep.com mailing list. > http://www.thedeftones.com/cgi-bin/teamsubscribe.pl?moncayo@vtr.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:52:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19451; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:53:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Boomerang From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Wfl5C.A.9mE.8zv67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been doing this a lot the last year or so using my boomerang, headrush and DL4 in various serial and parallel configurations. I don't have any audio tracks of this on the web, but I do have video! http://www.intonarumori.com/video/index.html An excerpt of the recording of that show is just come out on a new compilation, so it'll probably be up on the web somewhere soon. I also have a configuration diagram of one of my early configurations at: http://www.intonarumori.com/Equipment/ISpySetUp.html Lately for my solo gigs, I've been doing this: Bass/Cello -> Volume Pedal -> Boss DD3 -> Boss DD5 -> Headrush -> DL4 -> Boomerang -> Boss Reverb Pedal -> amp I've been integrating my repeater into group situations, but I haven't had a solo gig since I got it so I'm not sure how it will work into my configuration. Kevin On 11/8/01 11:09 AM, "Mike Feeney" wrote: > > > Just a random note ... > > I started playing with the decay rates on the Boomerang last night, > effectively using it as a tap-tempo delay unit and with that in conjunction > with my Boss digital delay was able to do some groovy things that I hadn't > previously been able ... I was pretty happy about that because I hadn't > really been using the 'Rang for much since I bought it. > > Guess I should read manuals more often, eh? =) > > Anyone have some examples of multiple delay units going on like this at > the same time that I could download and hear? Thanks!! > > Mike > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:55:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19716; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:49:20 EST Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum Continues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to all replies. But still much remains unexplained. I used Nero to burn the CD, so could set the gap to 0s. I used "disk at once" I did edit at zero crossing. ..but there's still the issue of the transfer changing the length of the file. which makes editing at zero crossing a waste of time. Cliffs WaveLab looks like it may be an option, but ...hey Cliff, didn't you do that with tracks that were separated by silence anyway ( well that's how it looked to me when I read your post) Per's Jam software looks like it could do the business, as it does crossfades it must deal with the problem. (if only it ran on PC) So I'm still asking :- 1) How can you know in advance what the transfer from .wav to CD is going to do to the length of the file. I notice that commercial CDs that segue don't have the track changeover at the zero crossing point (so they click if you just play one track, at the start and end), and can only assume that it wouldn't be possible to achieve this. Well thanks again each of the replies andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:56:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20196; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:53:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:53:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Central Coast Loop Festival Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:51:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2001 21:51:20.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[8029B3F0:01C1689F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans- I would very much like to participate in this event! I live 45 minutes south of SF, so I can drive down no problem. I've been working hard on my looping chops and I'd do a looped percussion show. I'm also willing to share reasonable amounts of expenses on renting the space to make this show a free one. I have cherished the moments I've spent with other loopers so far, and I'm looking foward to many more. Jon >I think I've found a good spot for the first Central Coast Loop >Festival. It's a dance studio in San Luis Obispo, CA (approximately >four hours from San Francisco and three from Los Angeles on the 101). >It's basically a warehouse type of space, but I can get it cheap (I'd >like for this to be a free event) and it should be large enough for our >purpose. The studio is available after 4pm on Saturdays, so I'm >considering a one-evening type of event. I'm hoping that this can be a >central meeting place for loopers from California and beyond. >February/March is the time frame I'm shooting for - let's call it March >2nd. I'll provide the PA, unless anyone has Special Needs. > >Anyone interested in participating, please send me an e-mail. This will >not commit you to anything, but it will give ma an idea of how many >people are likely to be involved. I'll also welcome any comments and >suggestions, and answer any questions to the best of my ability. > >Keep on Looping, > >Hans Lindauer >hans@ernieball.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 16:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20980; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:55:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:55:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c168ba$7434aee0$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: chill out Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:04:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C16888.293D2AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-wVXAC.A.vCF.T8v67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C16888.293D2AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a french friend of mine wants info on chill out rooms. 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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C16888.293D2AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 17:07:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22792; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:02:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:02:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEB0196.8E9A52B7@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:05:10 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: alesis air synth References: <200111082151.QAA19901@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6nR7.A.ohF._Cw67@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, a bit more info. Musician's fiend has an availability date of 12/15/01. zzounds shows not in stock, with next shipment expected 11/12/01. I was also very disappointed when I learned that the air XX line doesn't have midi out. Oh well ... Elby > Subject: RE: alesis air fx > > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:58:03 -0500 > From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > No they exist, Someone I work with has one. He likes the AirFX better. > It > came out last year. > > http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: alesis air fx > > > Doesn't exist yet, unless someone's been to NAMM or has an inside > lead. > > Mark > > On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 03:30 AM, Mountain Man wrote: > > > So, speaking of Alesis air-whatever, has anyone tried the air-synth? > > > > Elby > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 17:31:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24676; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:28:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c168a4$64c45c00$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum Continues Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:26:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy- no- I had 1 track that needed to have a track change in the middle- the other tracks on the album were separate- sorry for the confusion- So- yes indeed in WaveLab you can very easily take 1 seamless audio track and drop markers all over it and when you load it in your cd player it will look like 10 tracks yet it is only 1 - Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum Continues > Thanks to all replies. > But still much remains unexplained. > I used Nero to burn the CD, so could set the gap to 0s. > I used "disk at once" > I did edit at zero crossing. > ..but there's still the issue of the transfer changing the length of the file. > which makes editing at zero crossing a waste of time. > > Cliffs WaveLab looks like it may be an option, but > ...hey Cliff, didn't you do that with tracks that were separated by silence > anyway > ( well that's how it looked to me when I read your post) > > Per's Jam software looks like it could do the business, > as it does crossfades it must deal with the problem. > (if only it ran on PC) > > So I'm still asking :- > 1) How can you know in advance what the transfer from .wav to CD is going to > do to the length of the file. > > I notice that commercial CDs that segue don't have the track changeover at > the zero crossing point (so they click if you just play one track, at the > start and end), and can only assume that it wouldn't be possible to achieve > this. > > Well thanks again each of the replies > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 18:23:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28676; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:20:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:20:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:18:41 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum Continues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001101c168ab$b4864800$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have nero v5 and i was pretty sure i had done this, so i just did it again and this works: -leave the file you want whole (don't cut it into separate wavs) -add it to nero -double click the track and click the "idexes, limits, split" tab -find each point you want to have a track index and click the "split" button (note: the split does not happen until you click "ok") -make sure all tracks have 0 sec. pause (set in "track properties" tab) (except track one - redbook spec won't allow this) -burn with disc-at-once i did this and cannot hear clicks between tracks. try it and let me know, it could very well be my ears are more damaged than yours. mine have been subjected to lotsa loud-ass monitors and such... (getting in-ear monitors next week as well as a hearing check, but i'm not sure i want to know...) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum Continues > Thanks to all replies. > But still much remains unexplained. > I used Nero to burn the CD, so could set the gap to 0s. > I used "disk at once" > I did edit at zero crossing. > ..but there's still the issue of the transfer changing the length of the file. > which makes editing at zero crossing a waste of time. > > Cliffs WaveLab looks like it may be an option, but > ...hey Cliff, didn't you do that with tracks that were separated by silence > anyway > ( well that's how it looked to me when I read your post) > > Per's Jam software looks like it could do the business, > as it does crossfades it must deal with the problem. > (if only it ran on PC) > > So I'm still asking :- > 1) How can you know in advance what the transfer from .wav to CD is going to > do to the length of the file. > > I notice that commercial CDs that segue don't have the track changeover at > the zero crossing point (so they click if you just play one track, at the > start and end), and can only assume that it wouldn't be possible to achieve > this. > > Well thanks again each of the replies > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32125; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:05:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:05:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:07:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Central Coast Loop Festival Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Hans, I'm interested in performing at your event in San Luis Obispo. I'm also considering staging a similar event up here in Santa Cruz. My brother Rick has done it at the Rio Theater as a free event and I'm hoping to do either a similar event, i.e. a free concert; or, try to lure a bonified headliner and charge money. I personally don't have the financial resources to cover the second option right now, which would involve insurance and rental costs, etc., so the first option of a free show, with the ability to Merchandise, and maybe the possiblilty of a "name player" who could cover there own expenses to get here, seems the best way. Success in these events to me would be to have a rapt audience exposed to this amazing new (relatively speaking) form of music improvisation/composition. Let me know if I can help. Thanks Bill Walker >> Hello all- >> >> I think I've found a good spot for the first Central Coast Loop >> Festival. It's a dance studio in San Luis Obispo, CA (approximately >> four hours from San Francisco and three from Los Angeles on the 101). >> It's basically a warehouse type of space, but I can get it cheap (I'd >> like for this to be a free event) and it should be large enough for our >> purpose. The studio is available after 4pm on Saturdays, so I'm >> considering a one-evening type of event. I'm hoping that this can be a >> central meeting place for loopers from California and beyond. >> February/March is the time frame I'm shooting for - let's call it March >> 2nd. I'll provide the PA, unless anyone has Special Needs. >> >> Anyone interested in participating, please send me an e-mail. This will >> not commit you to anything, but it will give ma an idea of how many >> people are likely to be involved. I'll also welcome any comments and >> suggestions, and answer any questions to the best of my ability. >> >> Keep on Looping, >> >> Hans Lindauer >> hans@ernieball.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:36:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01484; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:30:06 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Central Coast Loop Festival In-reply-to: <3BEAABE5.67769EC5@ernieball.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200111080928.EAA22310@hemlock.violacea.com> <3BEAABE5.67769EC5@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:59 AM -0800 11/8/01, Hans Lindauer wrote: >I think I've found a good spot for the first Central Coast Loop >Festival. It's a dance studio in San Luis Obispo, CA >February/March is the time frame I'm shooting for - let's call it March >2nd. I'll provide the PA, unless anyone has Special Needs. Sounds interesting. I might make it up from Los Angeles. I was in that area just last week, on a short break with my partner. We went antiquing in Bakersfield (great Basque food), then to a spa near Avila Beach. BTW - there's a nice guitar shop called Lighting Joe's in Arroyo Grande. I picked up a used Mitigator RFC-1 there. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 19:53:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02177; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:43:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:43:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:31:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Central Coast Loop Festival In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:07 PM -0800 11/8/01, William R. Walker, wrote: >I'm also considering staging a similar event up here in Santa Cruz. Hi Bill! I hope you do it. I'm ready to come to Santa Cruz at the slightest provocation. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 21:35:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09823; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:38:15 -0800 Subject: Max in hardware? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know we've discussed this on the list in the past, but I think that was a while ago. I have a Nord Micro Modular which I love, and I was wondering if anyone is planning on something similar for MIDI only. It'd be great if I could download MAX-like MIDI patches into a small box so that I could remap controllers and what-not in performances. It would be sort of the ultimate MIDI problem solver as I see it. I know that the KYMA can do stuff like this, but that's way overkill (and way too large). It'd also be cool for adapting the various MIDI pedal controllers to work with all the different loopers that we all use. Anybody know anything that does this? Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 23:22:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20633; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:18:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:18:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:17:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Max in hardware? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I know we've discussed this on the list in the past, but I think that was a >while ago. I have a Nord Micro Modular which I love, and I was wondering if >anyone is planning on something similar for MIDI only. It'd be great if I >could download MAX-like MIDI patches into a small box so that I could remap >controllers and what-not in performances. It would be sort of the ultimate >MIDI problem solver as I see it. I know that the KYMA can do stuff like >this, but that's way overkill (and way too large). It'd also be cool for >adapting the various MIDI pedal controllers to work with all the different >loopers that we all use. > >Anybody know anything that does this? > > Kevin I've always wanted such a thing, but it's been a while since I looked. So I was happy when I found this site a few moments ago: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmap.htm If it works the way they say it does, it opens up all sorts of possibilities. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 8 23:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22273; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:43:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:43:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:41:41 -0600 Message-ID: <008501c168d8$d3a7d1e0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <1RhD6C.A.mbF.Y7167@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Midisolutions makes some great little boxes but they are essentially single solution boxes and are not meant to be reprogrammed on the fly, or with multiple recallable programmed configurations. For example, I have a box called the footswitch controller that can be programmed to perform a number of tasks (like transposing the midi stream) but once it is programmed for that task, that is the only thing it will do. It seems to me that something like the JL Cooper MSB+ or the DMC MX-8 programmable midi patchbays could be used for specialized remappings, etc. on the fly without necessarily using the full routing capabilities of these devices. Regards, Steve > > I've always wanted such a thing, but it's been a while since I looked. > > So I was happy when I found this site a few moments ago: > http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmap.htm If it works the way they say it does, it opens up all sorts of possibilities. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 02:03:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30852; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:58:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:38 PM -0800 11/8/01, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: >I was wondering if anyone is planning on something similar [to a >Nord Micro Modular] for MIDI only. It'd be great if I could >download MAX-like MIDI patches into a small box so that I could >remap controllers and what-not in performances. That's what I was hoping the Opcode Studio 5 was going to be, and I was very disappointed when I got my beta unit and it couldn't do that. Nevertheless I've found that the patching and remapping functions of the Studio 5 can be useful, and it allows remapping on the fly simply by switching between programs. Unfortunately the Studio 5 doesn't have multiple inputs for switches and pedals, so you'd need some other interface to provide conversion from these physical controllers into a mappable MIDI stream. Also unfortunate is the fact that the Studio 5 is two rack units tall. The Studio 4 could work, and it is only one rack unit, but as I recall it can hold only one patch in its internal memory at a time (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Possibly the most compact system would be a Powerbook running Max, a small MIDI interface, and some basically dumb MIDI floor controller that has a sufficient number of switches and/or pedals. All the mapping could be done in Max. An older Powerbook would be sufficient. I've bought several for under $100 each on eBay. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 04:52:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08189; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 04:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 04:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: EDP Pot Specs X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 03:48:23 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Pot Specs Thread-Index: AcFolQKITyi0BsUjRoO7rXHGt05XcQAbRRzg From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA07925 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes:- There are two different pots on the EDP front panel, a pair of B50K and a pair of A10K. The feedback pot is a B50K, 9mm vertically mounted with an overall height from the PCB of 20mm. Try to get a replacement with an extended 'collar' as this helps reliability and feels better, (don't wobble so much). I don't have a Mouser part number as we get them through a UK distributor and I would offer to send you one, but I'm waiting for some myself, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Hans Lindauer [mailto:hans@ernieball.com] Sent: 08 November 2001 20:20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Pot Specs Hi- Does anyone have a part specification for the EDP front panel potentiometers and/or a Mouser part number? I need to replace my feedback pot. Thanks, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 07:47:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19509; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:38:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:38:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEBCEA7.C74865F5@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 07:40:07 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: air fx price References: <200111081700.MAA25953@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried getting the lower price from zzounds using their electronic "Price spy." I reported it as the price that THEY had offered, and submitted a link to the LD article that mentioned getting a sub-$149 from them. I got back a message saying: "Unfortunately we cannot beat or match the price you have submitted at this time. This is unusual, as we beat or match nearly all prices." :(( Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 09:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27375; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:38:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:38:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:36:27 -0600 Message-ID: <00a001c1692b$ea569ea0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MOTU Midi Timepiece AV/USB has 8in 8out for midi, extensive rerouting/remapping capabilities, has the ability to store up to 128 programs of custom setups, can send sequences of up to 4 simultaneous midi CC/PC or sysex messages (with each patch change), and has 2 1/4 inch jacks for footpedals or switchs that can be assigned to anything you like. It even has a jack for beat detect. And this does not even cover what it can handle in a recording studio such as ADAT sync, Word Clock, SMPTE, etc. Steve > Unfortunately the Studio 5 doesn't have multiple inputs for switches > and pedals, so you'd need some other interface to provide conversion > from these physical controllers into a mappable MIDI stream. Also > unfortunate is the fact that the Studio 5 is two rack units tall. The > Studio 4 could work, and it is only one rack unit, but as I recall it > can hold only one patch in its internal memory at a time (someone > please correct me if I'm wrong). > > Possibly the most compact system would be a Powerbook running Max, a > small MIDI interface, and some basically dumb MIDI floor controller > that has a sufficient number of switches and/or pedals. All the > mapping could be done in Max. An older Powerbook would be sufficient. > I've bought several for under $100 each on eBay. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 11:22:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02635; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:18:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:18:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:16:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Max in hardware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >That's what I was hoping the Opcode Studio 5 was going to be, and I >was very disappointed when I got my beta unit and it couldn't do >that. Nevertheless I've found that the patching and remapping >functions of the Studio 5 can be useful, and it allows remapping on >the fly simply by switching between programs. Still, the Studio 5 has some pretty amazing mappings. The one really annoying thing is that the velocity switching doesn't handle note-ons with velocity 0 properly (ie, note-offs if you use running status, which about every MIDI machine since the year dot does use) so we were unable to use it for our hypercomplex velocity-controlled switching unless we set the actual programs in the synth to have a final cutoff regardless of getting a note off. There's also the very bad feature that the unit occasionally dumps its memory and you have to reload it from a computer. This is common enough(*) that you'd pretty well have to bring a computer to the gig and at that point you might as well go the Max route anyway! It's funny, I haven't turned my Studio 5 on in a couple of years... I don't use any computer MIDI at all right now, I used to do it every day! (I'm doing all my music "live" these days...) (* -- and admitted by Opcode!) /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 11:25:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03252; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:22:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:22:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a001c1692b$ea569ea0$420e88cf@stevespc> References: <00a001c1692b$ea569ea0$420e88cf@stevespc> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:20:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The MOTU Midi Timepiece AV/USB has 8in 8out for midi, extensive >rerouting/remapping capabilities, has the ability to store up to 128 >programs of custom setups, can send sequences of up to 4 simultaneous >midi CC/PC or sysex messages (with each patch change), and has 2 1/4 >inch jacks for footpedals or switchs that can be assigned to anything >you like. It even has a jack for beat detect. And this does not even >cover what it can handle in a recording studio such as ADAT sync, Word >Clock, SMPTE, etc. Here's a link: http://motu.com/english/hardware/mtpav_usb/body.html http://motu.com/english/hardware/mtpav_usb/midi.html has the MIDI information. I believe that the Studio 5 had somewhat better routing and programmability... but you need serial ports to run it. (I am seriously thinking of getting that StealthPort, I am singularly unimpressed with USB as a way to get MIDI... any thoughts on that? I don't like those supposed 10-30ms delays... the one unit I tried, some Roland unit, was consistent but I could feel the delay and I ain't THAT picky!) /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 11:57:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05212; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:53:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:51:14 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c1693e$bebf2010$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My MTP runs solid either in stand alone mode (for live gigs) or when connected to my Mac with the USB cable. The only thing I have to do occasionally is to hit the panic button when a Note On message was sent but not shut Off. I don't know about the Studio 5 and how it compares to the MTP but I do know that one thing the MTP has that almost no other midi patchbay (except MSB+ or DMC) has is the ability to send out multiple preprogrammed strings of CC's, PC's and Sysex, all saved in a patch (with a Midi Cannon Message) that can be recalled with a simple patch change message, sort of like what the PMC10 can do. The one catch is that you can only program the MTP to this extent using an app called Clockworks which only runs on the Mac. Steve > > >The MOTU Midi Timepiece AV/USB has 8in 8out for midi, extensive > >rerouting/remapping capabilities, has the ability to store up to 128 > >programs of custom setups, can send sequences of up to 4 > simultaneous > >midi CC/PC or sysex messages (with each patch change), and has 2 1/4 > >inch jacks for footpedals or switchs that can be assigned to > anything > >you like. It even has a jack for beat detect. And this > does not even > >cover what it can handle in a recording studio such as ADAT > sync, Word > >Clock, SMPTE, etc. > > Here's a link: > http://motu.com/english/hardware/mtpav_usb/body.html http://motu.com/english/hardware/mtpav_usb/midi.html has the MIDI information. I believe that the Studio 5 had somewhat better routing and programmability... but you need serial ports to run it. (I am seriously thinking of getting that StealthPort, I am singularly unimpressed with USB as a way to get MIDI... any thoughts on that? I don't like those supposed 10-30ms delays... the one unit I tried, some Roland unit, was consistent but I could feel the delay and I ain't THAT picky!) /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 11:59:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05862; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:56:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:50:39 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Max in hardware? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <00a001c1692b$ea569ea0$420e88cf@stevespc> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:20 AM -0500 11/9/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >I believe that the Studio 5 had somewhat better routing >and programmability... but you need serial ports to >run it. (I am seriously thinking of getting that >StealthPort, I run my Studio 5 through a Stealth Port installed on my G4. Seems fine so far. I also use the Studio 5 as a standalone MIDI mapper. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 11:59:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05767; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:56:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:52:59 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: air fx price In-reply-to: <3BEBCEA7.C74865F5@cloud9.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200111081700.MAA25953@hemlock.violacea.com> <3BEBCEA7.C74865F5@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1AkW1D.A.UUB.xpA77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.audiomidi.com $149.63 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 12:06:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07796; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:03:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:03:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401c1693e$bebf2010$420e88cf@stevespc> References: <000401c1693e$bebf2010$420e88cf@stevespc> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:00:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My MTP runs solid either in stand alone mode (for live gigs) or when >connected to my Mac with the USB cable. The only thing I have to do >occasionally is to hit the panic button when a Note On message was sent >but not shut Off. that's perfectly acceptable to me... >I don't know about the Studio 5 and how it compares to the MTP but I do >know that one thing the MTP has that almost no other midi patchbay >(except MSB+ or DMC) has is the ability to send out multiple >preprogrammed strings of CC's, PC's and Sysex, all saved in a patch >(with a Midi Cannon Message) that can be recalled with a simple patch >change message, sort of like what the PMC10 can do. The one catch is >that you can only program the MTP to this extent using an app called >Clockworks which only runs on the Mac. the Studio 5 can do this and a lot more. You can make complex switching trees for routing, each node being a multiway decision. You can create virtual instruments and assign a single real instrument coming in to a complex set of MIDI instruments depending on all sorts of things, velocity, note number, etc. shame, shame it never lived up to its potential. /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 12:32:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09203; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:08:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description. 'Max-in-a-box' was sort of the motto as we developed the unit. It was originally intended as a percussion controller but the specs evolved to give it more MIDI re-mapping capabilities. Basically it has 16 rear panel stereo jacks which accept a variety of inputs, 1 or 2 zone percussion pads (Roland compatible), footswitches, expression pedals, pots, piezos, ??? . Each jack maps to 2 programming slots. Each slot is programmable for 8 events or a variable-length sequence which you can input live from the system or externally via MIDI. Each event may be a note or CC and there is a velocity-window for each event that determines where you want the event to appear. There's MIDI clock, tap-tempo and a lot of performance-oriented features. There are actually so many features we've had a hard time defining the market for the unit. It's still a beta-unit but they are available. If you want more info you can check out http://www.starrlabs.com/kurzweil.html cheers, harveyS ps. sorry for the commercial intrusion but since you asked... At 06:38 PM 11/8/01 -0800, you wrote: >I know we've discussed this on the list in the past, but I think that was a >while ago. I have a Nord Micro Modular which I love, and I was wondering if >anyone is planning on something similar for MIDI only. It'd be great if I >could download MAX-like MIDI patches into a small box so that I could remap >controllers and what-not in performances. It would be sort of the ultimate >MIDI problem solver as I see it. I know that the KYMA can do stuff like >this, but that's way overkill (and way too large). It'd also be cool for >adapting the various MIDI pedal controllers to work with all the different >loopers that we all use. > >Anybody know anything that does this? > > Kevin >-- >Unit Circle Media >http://www.unitcircle.com > > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 12:48:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10289; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:45:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:45:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:43:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Max in hardware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-VyCW.A.UeC.qXB77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Harvey Starr rrote: >Hi, I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description. This is pretty "wow" -- it certainly beats the question of "why not just bring a laptop"? Wish I had time to commit to join the developer program... I have a nice K2500 here waiting for this unit... /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 12:48:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10494; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:45:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:45:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:43:13 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:08 AM -0800 11/9/01, Harvey Starr wrote: >I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description...If you >want more info you can check out >http://www.starrlabs.com/kurzweil.html You might indeed! This looks like just the thing. Price? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 13:09:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13345; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:06:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:56:27 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1206793419==_ma============" References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7TlBBD.A.uND.crB77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1206793419==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm wondering about Continuous Controller mapping. Much of my work in Max has been to remap streams of data, e.g. convert a stream of controller messages from a fader or pedal into a stream of system exclusive messages to control the parameters of a TC2290 delay. Is this supported? Your description isn't explicit but hints at the possibility: >Any type of MIDI event may be inserted into a Pad's Event buffers; >Notes, MIDI CC, PgmChg, Sysex Sequence Control. These events may be >played as a group from a single trigger, as a sequence, or stepped >through on multiple hits. Many options here. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1206793419==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Max in hardware?
I'm wondering about Continuous Controller mapping. Much of my work in Max has been to remap streams of data, e.g. convert a stream of controller messages from a fader or pedal into a stream of system exclusive messages to control the parameters of a TC2290 delay. Is this supported? Your description isn't explicit but hints at the possibility:

Any type of MIDI event may be inserted into a Pad's Event buffers; Notes, MIDI CC, PgmChg, Sysex Sequence Control. These events may be played as a group from a single trigger, as a sequence, or stepped through on multiple hits. Many options here.


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--============_-1206793419==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 13:23:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14471; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:21:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:21:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: air fx price Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:19:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob Montok at sweetwater did $150 ea including shipping if you send money order or check first- but I bought 3 and he let me put it on my CC for the same price anyway- Just so youse guys know- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: air fx price http://www.audiomidi.com $149.63 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 13:29:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14961; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:26:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:26:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: CD burning question from Andy Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:25:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6hsfoC.A.-nD.l-B77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy- I found out Steinberg's "Get It On CD" does all the same things Wavelab does for burning and even editing for a list price of $50 - it looks exactly like WaveLab- I don't know what features were left out. Just an option if Nero doesent quite do it for you- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 13:43:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15971; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:39:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:39:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:38:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Boomerang From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81.12bfa264.291c55c7@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3088157890_1279850" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3088157890_1279850 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I will work on that!!! =) on 11/8/01 4.40 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com said somethin' like: > In a message dated 11/8/01 2:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > feeneymike@yahoo.com writes: > > > >> >> I started playing with the decay rates on the Boomerang last night, >> effectively using it as a tap-tempo delay unit >> > > mike.....could you give us an example of what you did?.....:)m > --B_3088157890_1279850 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Boomerang I will work on that!!!  =3D)

on 11/8/01 4.40 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com said somethin' l= ike:

In a message dated 11/= 8/01 2:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, feeneymike@yahoo.com writes:




    I started playing with the decay rates on the Boome= rang last night,
effectively using it as a tap-tempo delay unit


mike.....could you give us an example of what you did?.....:)m

--B_3088157890_1279850-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 13:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17219; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEC2629.7829441E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:53:28 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: alesis air fx References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108104010.01bd7628@mulder.intermag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com by the looks of the RCA conntectors, I'd say that a big reason this device isn't MIDI is because they're really looking at the DJ market, which from where I'm sitting, doesn't seem to care much about MIDI. I was actually surprised the KAOSS pad did have it. Mark Mark Pulver wrote: > Wolf, Bill (10:12 AM 11.08.2001) wrote: > > >I can't believe it won't have a midi out. It would be a great > >alternative to something like a Kaos pad in addition to the cool > >theremin stuff. I'd love to be able to connect it to my Korg Karma. > > > >http://www.alesis.com/products/airsynth/index.html (check out the > >program chart pdf file!) > > In the original market model for both boxes, Alesis (actually, the boxes > are a pet project of the then Prez of Alesis), put a higher priority on > retail price than features. At one point MIDI was in the plan, but was > dropped because of the added complexity and development time - i.e, cost. > > Before the business issues there were "well substantiated rumblings" about > a new version coming out that fit into the _original_ plan. i.e. MIDI'd. :) > > But, those rumblings "back then" weren't even supposed to hit until Winter > NAMM 2002, and given the change in hands, there's no telling that they will > ever pan out. > > If you're looking for a "hand waving" controller, there are other options. > One is Paul Perry's SpaceBeam: > > http://www.frostwave.com/spacebeam/ > > It generates CV, not MIDI, but CV->MIDI is around as well. > > There're also extensive (i.e. expensive) things like the Buchla Lighting. :) > > http://www.buchla.com/lightning/index.html > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 14:10:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19533; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c16951$9089c520$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP loop mode decay question Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:05:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1690E.8159F720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1690E.8159F720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya-=20 I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and it seems even at 100% = feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal for delay mode? I = wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks-=20 Cliff PS- I love midi these days- DR-5>ER-1>Filter = Factory>Mo-Fx>M-One>EDP>JamMan>Computer - I'm only just getting started = on this setup but syncopated loops of different lengths comes to mind! = :) Never used midi on JM before this week-=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1690E.8159F720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and it = seems even=20 at 100% feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal for delay = mode? I=20 wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks-
 
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PS- I love midi these days- DR-5>ER-1>Filter=20 Factory>Mo-Fx>M-One>EDP>JamMan>Computer - I'm only just = getting=20 started on this setup but syncopated loops of different lengths comes to = mind!=20 :) Never used midi on JM before this week-
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C1690E.8159F720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 15:14:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23739; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:11:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Max in hardware? Thread-Index: AcFpWpNyARL2shfwQsiXYP+NElxNNg== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Kevin Goldsmith" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA23689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you considered a laptop or tablet type PC? http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_pentablets.shtml We've had a few of the Fujitsu tablets around our office. I installed the demo version of Reason onto one and had a blast! There are USB and PCMCIA midi/audio cards too. The only problem is that there's no Windows version of Max yet. Of course, there's always a Mac notebook. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Goldsmith [mailto:kevin@unitcircle.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Max in hardware? I know we've discussed this on the list in the past, but I think that was a while ago. I have a Nord Micro Modular which I love, and I was wondering if anyone is planning on something similar for MIDI only. It'd be great if I could download MAX-like MIDI patches into a small box so that I could remap controllers and what-not in performances. It would be sort of the ultimate MIDI problem solver as I see it. I know that the KYMA can do stuff like this, but that's way overkill (and way too large). It'd also be cool for adapting the various MIDI pedal controllers to work with all the different loopers that we all use. Anybody know anything that does this? Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 15:26:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24762; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:22:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:22:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:29:04 -0800 Subject: Re: Max in hardware? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This looks like a neat box, but it's MIDI implementation from the website sounds about the same as the DrumKAT that I bought in 1991 and upgraded a few times, can you tell me what is different? Kevin On 11/9/01 9:08 AM, "Harvey Starr" wrote: > Hi, > I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description. 'Max-in-a-box' > was sort of the motto as we developed the unit. It was originally intended > as a percussion controller but the specs evolved to give it more MIDI > re-mapping capabilities. Basically it has 16 rear panel stereo jacks which > accept a variety of inputs, 1 or 2 zone percussion pads (Roland > compatible), footswitches, expression pedals, pots, piezos, ??? . Each jack > maps to 2 programming slots. Each slot is programmable for 8 events or a > variable-length sequence which you can input live from the system or > externally via MIDI. Each event may be a note or CC and there is a > velocity-window for each event that determines where you want the event to > appear. There's MIDI clock, tap-tempo and a lot of performance-oriented > features. There are actually so many features we've had a hard time > defining the market for the unit. It's still a beta-unit but they are > available. If you want more info you can check out > http://www.starrlabs.com/kurzweil.html > > cheers, > harveyS > > ps. sorry for the commercial intrusion but since you asked... > -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 15:44:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26263; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:42:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:42:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:45:14 -0800 Subject: Re: Max in hardware? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3088154714_161434" Resent-Message-ID: <2LBTaC.A.6YG.w9D77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3088154714_161434 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=B9m thinking more along the lines of what Richard is looking for... While controller mapping is nice, I already own several boxes that can do that (MTP, DMC MX-8, etc...) Some examples of things I=B9d like to do that I haven=B9t seen that I would lik= e to do: Change the rate of a control change messages (multiply values by 2 or 3) while clamping them into a range. Map a controller to one channel while mapping it=B9s inverse to another controller on another channel. Generate custom pre-programmed arpeggios per-note or by velocity. Generate MIDI without an event, on it=B9s own (play a looping pre-programmed sequence). Generate MIDI notes based on a random function, synched to midi clock. Create volume groups (map a volume change on one channel to a volume change on several other channels at the same time). I=B9ve done all the above with early versions of max, but I haven=B9t seen anything else that could more than one of these things. The point is that = I want full control of MIDI from input to output in a visually programmable way (a la max) that I can download into a little box to run my midi program= s (a la Nord Modular). I know that this is absolutely possible, it just hasn=B9t been done yet. Ideally, I=B9d like it in a MicroModular sized box as well, but that might just be wishful thinking... :) Kevin On 11/9/01 9:56 AM, "Richard Zvonar" wrote: > I'm wondering about Continuous Controller mapping. Much of my work in Max= has > been to remap streams of data, e.g. convert a stream of controller messag= es > from a fader or pedal into a stream of system exclusive messages to contr= ol > the parameters of a TC2290 delay. Is this supported? Your description isn= 't > explicit but hints at the possibility: >=20 >> Any type of MIDI event may be inserted into a Pad's Event buffers; Notes= , >> MIDI CC, PgmChg, Sysex Sequence Control. These events may be played as a >> group from a single trigger, as a sequence, or stepped through on multip= le >> hits. Many options here. >>=20 >>=20 --=20 Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com --B_3088154714_161434 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Max in hardware? I’m thinking more along the lines of what Richar= d is looking for...

While controller mapping is nice, I already own several boxes that can do t= hat (MTP, DMC MX-8, etc...)

Some examples of things I’d like to do that I haven’t seen that= I would like to do:
Change the rate of a control change messages (multiply values by 2 or 3) wh= ile clamping them into a range.

Map a controller to one channel while mapping it’s inverse to another= controller on another channel.

Generate custom pre-programmed arpeggios per-note or by velocity.

Generate MIDI without an event, on it’s own (play a looping pre-progr= ammed sequence).

Generate MIDI notes based on a random function, synched to midi clock.

Create volume groups (map a volume change on one channel to a volume change= on several other channels at the same time).

I’ve done all the above with early versions of max, but I haven’= ;t seen anything else that could more than one of these things.  The po= int is that I want full control of MIDI from input to output in a visually p= rogrammable way (a la max) that I can download into a little box to run my m= idi programs (a la Nord Modular).

I know that this is absolutely possible, it just hasn’t been done yet= .

Ideally, I’d like it in a MicroModular sized box as well, but that mi= ght just be wishful thinking... :)

    Kevin

On 11/9/01 9:56 AM, "Richard Zvonar" <zvonar@zvonar.com> wr= ote:

I'm wondering about Continuous Cont= roller mapping. Much of my work in Max has been to remap streams of data, e.= g. convert a stream of controller messages from a fader or pedal into a stre= am of system exclusive messages to control the parameters of a TC2290 delay.= Is this supported? Your description isn't explicit but hints at the possibi= lity:

Any type of = MIDI event may be inserted into a Pad's Event buffers; Notes, MIDI CC, PgmCh= g, Sysex Sequence Control. These events may be played as a group from a sing= le trigger, as a sequence, or stepped through on multiple hits. Many options= here.



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 --B_3088154714_161434-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 15:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26961; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:51:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:51:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000401c1693e$bebf2010$420e88cf@stevespc> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:45:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1ENm8B.A.3kG.QGE77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>My MTP runs solid either in stand alone mode (for live gigs) or when connected to my Mac with the USB cable. this is my wish list to upgrade my midi interface...currently a midisport 2x2 with a midiman merger box handling another couple of inputs. so this Motu MTP would function for the following things, yes? 1. a standard 8x8 midi interface with the midi to computer via usb. 2. remapping. i have a rolls midiwizard. this can be remapped, which i've done for my jamman (putting all needed prog.changes on pedals close by to avoid tap dancing), but i wouldn't be opposed to the midiwizard just being a button pushing interface and all the magic happens in the MTP. can i push program change 5 on the midiwiz and have it be, say, program change 35 out of the MTP? simple stuff like that? 3. i've been wanting to use more midi control over the electrix boxes i have, plus planning for a future with a repeater. the electrix boxes seem to be wanting CC changes to turn things off and on. my midiwizard does no such thing from the buttons. you have to insert an expression pedal and assign the pedal to the cc#. move the pedal forward, it turns on, move it back, it turns off. yuck. it's sluggish and unresponsive. i just want to hit a switch and have it toggle, if possible. Could the MTP act as an interface/interpreter? Push program change 11 on the midiwiz and the MTP program interprets that as CC#48 value 127? forgive any midi naivete, here... this just seems like a very interesting piece. logic has extensive midi interpretation and remapping (of which i've only scraped the surface). i'd eventually like something compact and solid for my live rig. the esoteric midi foot controllers all seem to have availability/price vs. features issues that keep me undecided and frustrated. could this MTP be a suitable interface to all of my toys from a simple controller? can you trade programs/patches on a MTP? thanks in advance, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 15:57:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27428; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:53:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:53:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c16960$73735640$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP footswitch reply from Tech21 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:52:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C1691D.6455D7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C1691D.6455D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We will have to find another.... "Dear Clifford,=20 Thanks for your inquiry. What you're referring to is not actually a = switch... it's a custom-made spring-loaded actuator that we designed. = When you step on it, it hits a digital tact switch on the circuit = board... there's no switching mechanism in the actuator itself, so it = wouldn't work as a replacement part in another product.=20 Regards,=20 Lloyd Schwartz, Product Manager " ------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C1691D.6455D7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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"Dear Clifford,

Thanks for your inquiry.  What you're referring to is not = actually a=20 switch... it's a custom-made spring-loaded actuator that we = designed.  When=20 you step on it, it hits a digital tact switch on the circuit board... = there's no=20 switching mechanism in the actuator itself, so it wouldn't work as a = replacement=20 part in another product.=20

Regards,
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------=_NextPart_000_00B8_01C1691D.6455D7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:05:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29629; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:03:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: just-john@just-john.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008501c168d8$d3a7d1e0$420e88cf@stevespc> References: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:01:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It seems to me that something like the JL Cooper MSB+ or the DMC MX-8 >programmable midi patchbays could be used for specialized remappings, >etc. on the fly without necessarily using the full routing capabilities >of these devices. But at less than 1/3 the price, perhaps this box may be all he needs. I could imagine dedicating one to translating note data to the continuous data needed to play my Electribe ES-1 from a keyboard. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:11:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30144; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:07:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:07:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:13:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Max in hardware? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was considering a Cappuccino or Espresso pc (http://www.cappuccinopc.com/default.asp or (http://www.cappuccinopc.com/espressopc.asp), But if I did that I might as well use a Libretto or Picture book or some other tiny laptop, and run either Max or Infinity or write my own (I'm a software developer by day). I'd end up spending a lot more money that I wanted for such a simple task (granted, I'd have a lot more power at my fingertips), and I'd also have to deal with maintaining an expensive machine just to do my MIDI processing. Being around PCs and MACs all day, the last thing I want to do is depend on one for a performance to happen. I've seen many many people use their laptops in performance, I would just prefer not to. Even the least stable piece of dedicated gear I have is more reliable than any one of the 6 PCs and 2 macs I use day to day. Why do people buy a Virus when they can just use the plug-in? Why do people use real synths at all when they can do it all on software synths? Kevin On 11/9/01 12:09 PM, "Wolf, Bill" wrote: > Have you considered a laptop or tablet type PC? > http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_pentablets.shtml > -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:32:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31506; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:28:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:28:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:27:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Max in hardware? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Possibly the most compact system would be a Powerbook running Max, a >small MIDI interface, and some basically dumb MIDI floor controller >that has a sufficient number of switches and/or pedals. All the >mapping could be done in Max. An older Powerbook would be sufficient. >I've bought several for under $100 each on eBay. >-- > I've got my G3 PB set up (including Max/MSP) as my "OMS machine," with just such shenanigans in mind. All my other macs are for FreeMIDI stuff. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31873; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a001c1692b$ea569ea0$420e88cf@stevespc> References: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:31:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The MOTU Midi Timepiece AV/USB has 8in 8out for midi, extensive >rerouting/remapping capabilities, has the ability to store up to 128 >programs of custom setups, can send sequences of up to 4 simultaneous >midi CC/PC or sysex messages (with each patch change), and has 2 1/4 >inch jacks for footpedals or switchs that can be assigned to anything >you like. It even has a jack for beat detect. And this does not even >cover what it can handle in a recording studio such as ADAT sync, Word >Clock, SMPTE, etc. I've got their Midi Express USB, and was quite annoyed to find it doesn't even facilitate keyboard splits (played C1-B3 goes this route and C3-C6 goes another.) Nothing in the Timepiece's literature -- and its manual is just another section of the booklet containing the Express' manual -- implies it can do this either. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:42:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32336; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:38:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:38:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:36:45 -0600 Message-ID: <000501c16966$a11dccf0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rich, > > >>My MTP runs solid either in stand alone mode (for live gigs) or when > connected to my Mac with the USB cable. > > this is my wish list to upgrade my midi interface...currently a > midisport 2x2 with a midiman merger box handling another couple of > inputs. so this Motu MTP would function for the following things, > yes? > > 1. a standard 8x8 midi interface with the midi to computer via usb. Yes, and also a serial connector for Mac if you don't have a USB. > > 2. remapping. i have a rolls midiwizard. this can be remapped, > which i've done for my jamman (putting all needed prog.changes on > pedals close by to avoid tap dancing), but i wouldn't be opposed to > the midiwizard just being a button pushing interface and all the > magic happens in the MTP. can i push program change 5 on the midiwiz > and have it be, say, program change 35 out of the MTP? simple stuff > like that? If you pushed a button on the midiwiz that was programmed to send PC 5 to the MTP then that program on the MTP could send out up to 4 different sets of PCs to different devices on different channels as well as CCs and Sysex, all with a single MTP program selection. The midi cannon messages are setup so that you can even send subsequent midi/sysex messages to the same device within the same program/patch. For example I use a JV1010 and in order to put it into Performance Mode or Patch Mode I first have to send it a Sysex string to put it into the proper mode and then follow that with the actual PC message to select the patch/performance I want to play. The MTP handles this with a single PC message selecting one of 127 patches inside the MTP. > > 3. i've been wanting to use more midi control over the electrix > boxes i have, plus planning for a future with a repeater. the > electrix boxes seem to be wanting CC changes to turn things off and > on. my midiwizard does no such thing from the buttons. you have to > insert an expression pedal and assign the pedal to the cc#. move the > pedal forward, it turns on, move it back, it turns off. > yuck. it's sluggish and unresponsive. i just want to hit a switch > and have it toggle, if possible. Could the MTP act as an > interface/interpreter? Push program change 11 on the midiwiz and the > MTP program interprets that as CC#48 value 127? Yes, like I mentioned above, you could send multiple CC's to multiple devices to set everything up with a single patch change event. > > forgive any midi naivete, here... this just seems like a very > interesting piece. logic has extensive midi interpretation and > remapping (of which i've only scraped the surface). i'd eventually > like something compact and solid for my live rig. the esoteric midi > foot controllers all seem to have availability/price vs. features > issues that keep me undecided and frustrated. could this MTP be a > suitable interface to all of my toys from a simple controller? Yes you can set up very complex routings and setups with each one of the 127 programmables patches that are in turn called up with a single PC message. If you then get a more powerful foot pedal like the PMC10, you can use the MTP patch to set up all your initial routings and CC's, etc. with a single button and then use the pedals to turn on and off certain functions in your gear like effects bypass, etc. This is the ultimate flexibility. > > can you trade programs/patches on a MTP? > I imagine you could but it wouldn't be entirely practical since who ever you traded with would have to have essentially the exact same setup as yours. What you can do is back up the entire contents of the MTP to a file (patches and all) and create different sets that you can restore to the MTP for different uses, such as for the studio, or for live rig, etc. Regards, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:48:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00753; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:45:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:45:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011109121221.00e0b100@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:12:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we haven't yet implemented the ability to send arbitrary sysex strings. We had to drop the feature from the current rev because of budget problems at the time. sorry. this feature may appear before the end of the year though. Limiting sysex usage would help us keep our memory-map in a semblance of order. I'm thinking a limit of 8 messages at 32 bytes each. What do you think you need in your foreseen applications? BTW, there should be a comma between the words "sysex" and "sequence". tnx, harveyS At 09:56 AM 11/9/01 -0800, you wrote: > I'm wondering about Continuous Controller mapping. Much of my work in Max >has been to remap streams of data, e.g. convert a stream of controller >messages from a fader or pedal into a stream of system exclusive messages >to control the parameters of a TC2290 delay. Is this supported? Your >description isn't explicit but hints at the possibility: > Any type of MIDI event may be inserted into a Pad's Event buffers; Notes, >MIDI CC, PgmChg, Sysex Sequence Control. These events may be played as a >group from a single trigger, as a sequence, or stepped through on multiple >hits. Many options here. > > > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:49:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00756; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:45:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:45:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011109120450.00e0ae50@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:04:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:43 AM 11/9/01 -0800, you wrote: >At 9:08 AM -0800 11/9/01, Harvey Starr wrote: >>I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description...If you >>want more info you can check out >>http://www.starrlabs.com/kurzweil.html > >You might indeed! > >This looks like just the thing. Price? Introductory price is $999. I think it should be at $1299 actually to be more in line with our costs, so the list will probably go there event-ually. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01260; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:45:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: EventStation? (was: Max in hardware?) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 9:08 AM -0800 11/9/01, Harvey Starr wrote: >>I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description...If you >>want more info you can check out >>http://www.starrlabs.com/kurzweil.html > >You might indeed! > >This looks like just the thing. Price? >-- > Yeah! That's the million dollar question. Okay, maybe less than a million, but this IS Kurtzweil-related stuff we're talking about here. ... and didja notice how they put that Drumbar thing on the same page as the EventStation description, just to taunt gadgeteers? And then there's the MT-48DD on the same site -- if you haven't looked, DON'T! Jeez, and I just got out of debt, too. (Runs from the room, screaming.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00342; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:42:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:42:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Max in hardware? Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:40:36 -0600 Message-ID: <000601c16967$2ab88bd0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is true. I actually use the midi solutions footcontroller hooked up with a footswitch to act as a transposer for my wind controller. I press the footswitch, play a note of the key I want the midi stream transposed to and presto everything I play is transposed. It is great! Steve > > >It seems to me that something like the JL Cooper MSB+ or the > DMC MX-8 > >programmable midi patchbays could be used for specialized > remappings, > >etc. on the fly without necessarily using the full routing > capabilities > >of these devices. > > But at less than 1/3 the price, perhaps this box may be all > he needs. I could imagine dedicating one to translating note > data to the continuous data needed to play my Electribe ES-1 > from a keyboard. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 16:55:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01700; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BEC2629.7829441E@zerocrossing.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108104010.01bd7628@mulder.intermag.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:49:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: alesis air fx Resent-Message-ID: <82OG8D.A.Ua.i9E77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >by the looks of the RCA conntectors, I'd say that a big reason this device >isn't MIDI is because they're really looking at the DJ market, which from >where >I'm sitting, doesn't seem to care much about MIDI. I was actually surprised >the KAOSS pad did have it. > >Mark Tho the KAOSS "features" RCA connectors, too. It struck me as weird, 'cuz I got it at the same time as my Korg Electribe ES-1 sampler, which uses quarter inch. So that lead me to discover there's a "DJ market" and another market (at least one), and since then, I've been wondering about the differences. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 18:37:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09845; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:34:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:34:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PRCamann@aol.com Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:31:54 EST Subject: Air Synth availability To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <128.74ee3d5.291dc16b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sent an e-mail to Alesis a couple of weeks ago concerning the availability of the airSynth. The reply (from Brian Chan) was: "It will be available Nov 20th" I just sent another e-mail to confirm if the date is still valid. I'll let you know. Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 19:28:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13151; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011109161739.00e44720@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:17:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:45 PM 11/9/01 -0800, you wrote: > I’m thinking more along the lines of what Richard is looking for... > > While controller mapping is nice, I already own several boxes that can do >that (MTP, DMC MX-8, etc...) > > Some examples of things I’d like to do that I haven’t seen >that I would like to do: > Change the rate of a control change messages (multiply values by 2 or 3) >while clamping them into a range. may be do-able within the existing software by adjusting gain-settings. Or if you mean a time-adjustment the gate-shift setups might do this. I'll check. > > Map a controller to one channel while mapping it’s inverse to >another controller on another channel. Do you mean inverse data 127-0? There are entries for PBUp/Dn and VolUp/Dn, but for other CCs you could draft a reverse curve for that, assign it to a pad (or MIDI, and link it to a different pad with a different CC and different curve. Or we re-write a mode to handle a user-entered CC to the VolDn slot, for instance. Not too hard. > > Generate custom pre-programmed arpeggios per-note or by velocity. Got that. the chord-generator gets you started with basic chord-types. Add notes or roll your own however you like then play out the notes (up to 8) all together as a chord, stepped one-at-a-time, or as a sequence (arpeggio). The timing of the arpeggio defaults to 100ms but you can edit each note to whatever timing you like, 1-9999 ms. Turning on GateShift expands the timing with velocity. TapTempo can re-time the full arpeggio. Looping may be set to play the arp or chord 1-255 times, or forever until you toggle it off. In any case the appearance of any note is defined by its velocity-window and consequently the arpeggio can be made to sound different based on velocity, like making chord-extensions appear with a harder hit, for instance. > Generate MIDI without an event, on it’s own (play a looping >pre-programmed sequence). what starts it? > > Generate MIDI notes based on a random function, synched to midi clock. > we've done this twice by accident, once was a solder bridge at the right spot and once was a software mistake. In both cases the instrument could be left to play itself endlessly without any musical repetition but the semblance of order or phrasing seemed to be happening. Truly frightening. We all just stood and listened for a while. I left the software bug buried but disabled in case I ever wanted to retrieve it, the auto-play mode. > Create volume groups (map a volume change on one channel to a volume >change on several other channels at the same time). we do this by mapping an input volume change to a pad-slot that has up to 8 volume change messages attached. Or expand it further by Linking to another pad. How is this different that CC-mapping for other CCs? > > I’ve done all the above with early versions of max, but I >haven’ The point is that I want full control of MIDI from input to >output in a visually programmable way (a la max) that I can download into a >little box to run my midi programs (a la Nord Modular). > a reasonable goal. -hs > I know that this is absolutely possible, it just hasn’t been done yet. > > Ideally, I’d like it in a MicroModular sized box as well, but that >might just be wishful thinking... :) > > Kevin > >""<> wrote: > > >>I'm wondering about Continuous Controller mapping. Much of my work in Max >>has been to remap streams of data, e.g. convert a stream of controller >>messages from a fader or pedal into a stream of system exclusive messages >>to control the parameters of a TC2290 delay. Is this supported? Your >>description isn't explicit but hints at the possibility: >> >> >>>Any type of MIDI event may be inserted into a Pad's Event buffers; >>>Notes, MIDI CC, PgmChg, Sysex Sequence Control. These events may be >>>played as a group from a single trigger, as a sequence, or stepped >>>through on multiple hits. Many options here. >>> >>> > > > > -- > Unit Circle Media > http://www.unitcircle.com > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 19:28:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13234; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:25:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:25:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011109153219.00e054b0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:32:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Max in hardware? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4B5LFB.A.eLD.nOH77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:29 PM 11/9/01 -0800, you wrote: >This looks like a neat box, but it's MIDI implementation from the website >sounds about the same as the DrumKAT that I bought in 1991 and upgraded a >few times, can you tell me what is different? This is a quiz, right? Well, we include a lot of those features and used some of the language because we were trying to reach drummers who had some familiarity with the drumkat but wanted to do more and do it more easily. Also, there was an intention to mate this to 8-level multi-sampled drums (or guitars, whatever) in the Kurzweils but let me see what's different: There's more Continuous Controller features, the ability to send groups of CC messages, fixed-data CC's, mix CC's and notes together (verrry interesting effects). We can handle pedals and Pressure-sensitive Resistive pads as inputs. Any jack on the EventStation is configurable for any hardware and any output function, even for things that might not seem to make sense. Nothing is hard-coded in the unit. There's a programmable velocity-window for each event, not just each pad. Triggers (hardware or software) may be mapped to more things of greater variety. Notes/Events may be programmed to Latch on/off, sustain from the input (like a keyboard), or play a gated duration. Our note durations will play both shorter and longer and are programmable in both MIDI clocks and milliseconds. We have a cool 'ShowAll' set of screens that lets you quickly view variuos sets of parameters. We've got a 32 beat programmable metronome (with programmable accents!) . Our programming interface is (much) cleaner and easier to read and navigate than the drumkat. We've got a real-time sequencer that captures all MIDI performance, notes/CC's/other sequences/whatever. Loop 'n'-times for sequence playback. An extra HiHat mode that triggers an 8-level sample set while sending a programmable CC-message. All 16 of our response curves are user-programmable. There are 16 touch-sensitive front-panel keys that duplicate the functionality of the rear-panel jacks so that you can program/test your setups without having any performance hardware connected. There's a rear-panel Expansion Port that will be used to accept external sensor-arrays such as a multi-zone touch-surface or one of our guitar fingerboards. MIDI input re-mapping is availabe to all 128 Input notes. I'm probably forgetting something. The development staff is still on the project. The drumKat is very cool and on the flip-side the dKat benefits from being old and stable. We're new, our feature-set isn't completely nailed down, nor entirely bug-free, although we're ready to 'beta'. Having said that we give free software updates. thanks, harveyS > > Kevin > >On 11/9/01 9:08 AM, "Harvey Starr" wrote: > >> Hi, >> I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description. 'Max-in-a-box' >> was sort of the motto as we developed the unit. It was originally intended >> as a percussion controller but the specs evolved to give it more MIDI >> re-mapping capabilities. Basically it has 16 rear panel stereo jacks which >> accept a variety of inputs, 1 or 2 zone percussion pads (Roland >> compatible), footswitches, expression pedals, pots, piezos, ??? . Each jack >> maps to 2 programming slots. Each slot is programmable for 8 events or a >> variable-length sequence which you can input live from the system or >> externally via MIDI. Each event may be a note or CC and there is a >> velocity-window for each event that determines where you want the event to >> appear. There's MIDI clock, tap-tempo and a lot of performance-oriented >> features. There are actually so many features we've had a hard time >> defining the market for the unit. It's still a beta-unit but they are >> available. If you want more info you can check out >> http://www.starrlabs.com/kurzweil.html >> >> cheers, >> harveyS >> >> ps. sorry for the commercial intrusion but since you asked... >> > >-- >Unit Circle Media >http://www.unitcircle.com > > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 19:44:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14284; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:41:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:41:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011109161739.00e44720@crash.cts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20011109161739.00e44720@crash.cts.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:38:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Max in hardware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Starr Labs unit seems like an amazing box. The one honest limitation to me is that 9999 ms time max for notes. That's 10 seconds. I'd be much happier with 999,999 ms, 1000 seconds... I make things with components over 100 s (99,999ms) all the time! /t http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. http://fortNY.com ............................... Forteans of New York. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 20:19:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17532; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:15:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:15:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BCyayli@aol.com Message-ID: <144.45a2371.291dd988@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:14:48 EST Subject: repeater overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm just trying out my new repeater and i can't get from record to overdub....the manual isn't very clear. so i push record and a first loop gets recorded..how can i get it to play back the first loop and record another one over it...(like with the edp)...any clarification will be greatly appreciated...beth cohen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 20:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18194; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:35:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Max in hardware? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011109161739.00e44720@crash.cts.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for answering questions and addressing comments. The Starr Labs box does seem really cool and feature rich. I'm not sure if using the language of "pads" is getting in the way of my truly embracing it. I guess it's the event thing as well. I keep feeling like a purely user-event-driven interface won't capture my needs. Maybe it comes back to my original desire: I want to create my own MIDI applications using a visual programming language and download them into a small box that will run them. Some of these will be user-event driven and some of them won't be. Most will be a mix of the two. It's possible that the Starr Labs box can do any application I'll ever think of, but it still seems limited compared to what I'm asking for. You've told me how some of my desired applications could be done, but it seems a little convoluted, assigning a volume to a pad slot with volume change events for example. It sounds like I'm trying to do a workaround for something very simple. I guess I'll have to look at final version of your box to know it will be capable of, since it's still in development. It may be that whatever a user uses to program your box will hide all the complexities nicely. I'm staying open minded and hopeful. >> Generate MIDI without an event, on it’s own (play a looping >> pre-programmed sequence). > > what starts it? > Nothing. The patch is loaded and the loop starts. >> >> Generate MIDI notes based on a random function, synched to midi clock. >> > we've done this twice by accident, once was a solder bridge at the right > spot and once was a software mistake. In both cases the instrument could be > left to play itself endlessly without any musical repetition but the > semblance of order or phrasing seemed to be happening. Truly frightening. > We all just stood and listened for a while. I left the software bug buried > but disabled in case I ever wanted to retrieve it, the auto-play mode. > I want it to run continuously once the patch loads picking notes randomly or from a list varying their length between 8th note and whole note synched to Midi clock, occasionally overlapping. Again, thanks for answering my rants Harvey (and the list)! Maybe it's time for me to get out my breadboard and re-read my digital design books... Kevin -- Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 21:17:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21727; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:13:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:13:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.1dff4916.291de6ea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:11:54 EST Subject: Re: repeater overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.1dff4916.291de6ea_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <9EomIC.A.iSF.E0I77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9f.1dff4916.291de6ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi beth - i'm sure there's more experienced hands than me, but i also just started using repeater and got the digitech footswitch (rs 300) which makes it quite easy - you push the bypass button to start recording - and push the up button to stop - when you're ready to record again, assuming the overdub button is lit on the repeater, you just push the bypass button on the footswitch again and you overdub on what you've previously recorded - now, i'm ready for the pros to tell me i don't know what i'm talking about, but i think i'm in the ballpark - if you don't have the footswitch, i think its simply record, stop, make sure the overdub button is lit and start recording again - ..... hope that helps a bit - harry --part1_9f.1dff4916.291de6ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi beth - i'm sure there's more experienced hands than me, but i also just started using repeater and got the digitech footswitch (rs 300) which makes it quite easy - you push the bypass button to start recording - and push the up button to stop - when you're ready to record again, assuming the overdub button is lit on the repeater, you just push the bypass button on the footswitch again and you overdub on what you've previously recorded - now, i'm ready for the pros to tell me i don't know what i'm talking about, but i think i'm in the ballpark - if you don't have the footswitch, i think its simply record, stop, make sure the overdub button is lit and start recording again - .....  hope that helps a bit - harry --part1_9f.1dff4916.291de6ea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 21:30:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22530; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:21:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c1698f$3d4a3dc0$062af7a5@billcumm> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20011109090804.00b45430@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20011109153219.00e054b0@crash.cts.com> Subject: Re: StarrLabs drumbar Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:27:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where can I demo the DrumBar? BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvey Starr" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Max in hardware? > At 12:29 PM 11/9/01 -0800, you wrote: > >This looks like a neat box, but it's MIDI implementation from the website > >sounds about the same as the DrumKAT that I bought in 1991 and upgraded a > >few times, can you tell me what is different? > > This is a quiz, right? Well, we include a lot of those features and used > some of the language because we were trying to reach drummers who had some > familiarity with the drumkat but wanted to do more and do it more easily. > Also, there was an intention to mate this to 8-level multi-sampled drums > (or guitars, whatever) in the Kurzweils but let me see what's different: > > There's more Continuous Controller features, the ability to send groups of > CC messages, fixed-data CC's, mix CC's and notes together (verrry > interesting effects). > We can handle pedals and Pressure-sensitive Resistive pads as inputs. > Any jack on the EventStation is configurable for any hardware and any > output function, even for things that might not seem to make sense. > Nothing is hard-coded in the unit. > There's a programmable velocity-window for each event, not just each pad. > Triggers (hardware or software) may be mapped to more things of greater > variety. > Notes/Events may be programmed to Latch on/off, sustain from the input > (like a keyboard), or play a gated duration. > Our note durations will play both shorter and longer and are programmable > in both MIDI clocks and milliseconds. > We have a cool 'ShowAll' set of screens that lets you quickly view variuos > sets of parameters. > We've got a 32 beat programmable metronome (with programmable accents!) . > Our programming interface is (much) cleaner and easier to read and navigate > than the drumkat. > We've got a real-time sequencer that captures all MIDI performance, > notes/CC's/other sequences/whatever. > Loop 'n'-times for sequence playback. > An extra HiHat mode that triggers an 8-level sample set while sending a > programmable CC-message. > All 16 of our response curves are user-programmable. > There are 16 touch-sensitive front-panel keys that duplicate the > functionality of the rear-panel jacks so that you can program/test your > setups without having any performance hardware connected. > There's a rear-panel Expansion Port that will be used to accept external > sensor-arrays such as a multi-zone touch-surface or one of our guitar > fingerboards. > MIDI input re-mapping is availabe to all 128 Input notes. > I'm probably forgetting something. > The development staff is still on the project. > The drumKat is very cool and on the flip-side the dKat benefits from being > old and stable. We're new, our feature-set isn't completely nailed down, > nor entirely bug-free, although we're ready to 'beta'. Having said that we > give free software updates. > thanks, > harveyS > > > > > Kevin > > > >On 11/9/01 9:08 AM, "Harvey Starr" wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> I might offer our EventStation as fitting this description. 'Max-in-a-box' > >> was sort of the motto as we developed the unit. It was originally intended > >> as a percussion controller but the specs evolved to give it more MIDI > >> re-mapping capabilities. Basically it has 16 rear panel stereo jacks which > >> accept a variety of inputs, 1 or 2 zone percussion pads (Roland > >> compatible), footswitches, expression pedals, pots, piezos, ??? . Each jack > >> maps to 2 programming slots. Each slot is programmable for 8 events or a > >> variable-length sequence which you can input live from the system or > >> externally via MIDI. Each event may be a note or CC and there is a > >> velocity-window for each event that determines where you want the event to > >> appear. There's MIDI clock, tap-tempo and a lot of performance-oriented > >> features. There are actually so many features we've had a hard time > >> defining the market for the unit. It's still a beta-unit but they are > >> available. If you want more info you can check out > >> http://www.starrlabs.com/kurzweil.html > >> > >> cheers, > >> harveyS > >> > >> ps. sorry for the commercial intrusion but since you asked... > >> > > > >-- > >Unit Circle Media > >http://www.unitcircle.com > > > > > > > > > http://www.starrlabs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 21:51:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23795; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:47:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:46:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: StarrLabs drumbar Resent-Message-ID: <1N5x7B.A.RzF.jUJ77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >where can I demo the DrumBar? >BC See what I meant? That whole site is hazardous to my newly-flush credit cards! I mean, that microzone keyboard controller would be the perfect way to emulate an orchestra section, with each rank of "keys" pointing to a slightly different timbre and position ... (makes sign to ward off demons) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 9 22:18:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26486; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: repeater overdub Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:21:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <144.45a2371.291dd988@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Beth, I'm not sure what you are specifically asking so here goes... Just make sure the overdub button is lit (for overdub mode) while you are recording. I also don't think there is a single button press that defines the loop length and continues recording/overdubbing. Basically, while in overdub mode, you push record to create the beginning of a loop and then push record again (or play) to end the loop. After you have established the length of the loop with those two button presses you can press record (a 3rd time) and begin overdubbing indefinitely. IMO, this is one of the drawbacks of the unit. It would come a lot closer to standing completely on its own (in terms of other units) if it allowed you to go directly into overdub after recording (with a single button press). I'm not sure if Electrix is looking into this for a future OS or if the current hardware won't allow for this. I have a feeling that the way the Repeater trims and adjusts the start and end points of the loop may prevent this from becoming a reality anytime soon. As it is now, if you press record a second time to define the end point of the loop and then press record *immediately* after, you get a "Not Ready" message. Going directly into overdub from record (in a manner similar to the EDP) may never be possible as long as the Repeater uses "Loop Point Assist" for every initial loop. At least, that's why I have gathered. I may be wrong. If I am, someone is sure to let us know. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: BCyayli@aol.com [mailto:BCyayli@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater overdub i'm just trying out my new repeater and i can't get from record to overdub....the manual isn't very clear. so i push record and a first loop gets recorded..how can i get it to play back the first loop and record another one over it...(like with the edp)...any clarification will be greatly appreciated...beth cohen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 00:29:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02314; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:24:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:24:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:23:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Resent-Message-ID: <7eHYXB.A.Kg.JnL77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anybody made, or considered, a Kaosspad-like MIDI controller to be clipped onto an electric guitar where some guitars have pick guards? Call it a "double whammy surface" or something like that .... Even better, if there's some way to make it a rubber percussion pad that senses contact location and can track movement along it ... --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 02:33:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10202; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:29:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:29:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:26:50 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:23 AM -0500 11/10/01, just john wrote: >Has anybody made, or considered, a Kaosspad-like MIDI controller to be >clipped onto an electric guitar where some guitars have pick guards? Call >it a "double whammy surface" or something like that .... http://www.tactex.com/prodMTC.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 03:58:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15492; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:54:00 -0800 Subject: Re: alesis air fx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7BDA613A-D5B8-11D5-BB95-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com basically, there's a man behind it all under the guise of RadioShack, and he's laughing at us. Mwaa haha ha ha ha! Mark On Friday, November 9, 2001, at 01:49 PM, just john wrote: >> by the looks of the RCA conntectors, I'd say that a big reason this >> device >> isn't MIDI is because they're really looking at the DJ market, which >> from >> where >> I'm sitting, doesn't seem to care much about MIDI. I was actually >> surprised >> the KAOSS pad did have it. >> >> Mark > > Tho the KAOSS "features" RCA connectors, too. It struck me as weird, > 'cuz > I got it at the same time as my Korg Electribe ES-1 sampler, which uses > quarter inch. So that lead me to discover there's a "DJ market" and > another market (at least one), and since then, I've been wondering about > the differences. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 04:10:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17444; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 04:07:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 04:07:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: MAX in software Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:08:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200111092044.PAA26672@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how about MAX for Windows? There have been rumors about a port but I've heard nothing from it since. I've never seen actually seen MAX ... are programs such as Audiomulch similar, or are there substantial differences? = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 04:56:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19561; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 04:51:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 04:51:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT- Field recorder question- Olympus DS2000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:51:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone ever used the Olympus DS-2000 as a field recorder? It has up to 64mb SmartMedia card, built in USB for transfer to a pc/mac and jacks for external speaker or mic- I use a MD now but would love to record really quickly and be able to easily call up things for live performace or to pre load my EDP with in a live setting- I'm just not sure how good it sounds- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 07:27:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30569; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:24:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:24:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c169e3$19586280$8ad91f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: UK loop gigs Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:27:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C169E3.17E71F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C169E3.17E71F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of any regular UK loop venues ?? 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C169E3.17E71F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 07:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32004; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:44:23 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <0FjpMD.A.dzH.kGS77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for a midi arpeggiator to use live together with EDP and a midi equipped guitar. Now there's a Quasimidi Quasar available here and I'm wondering if someone have tried live arpeggiating with this unit? I did live arp'ing some eight years ago with a Oberheim Cyclone and a synth. Unfortunately I was stupid to sell my Cyclone back then. But today, with the EDP around, I think it would be cool to loop synth arpeggios in the EDP as well as the clean guitar sound - and then play melody lines and chords/arpeggio on top. Regards per boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 09:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07065; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:09:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <46.1d760e34.291e8e3d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:05:49 EST Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Has anybody made, or considered, a Kaosspad-like MIDI controller to be >clipped onto an electric guitar where some guitars have pick guards? Call >it a "double whammy surface" or something like that .... i'm not a hardware designer, nor a software designer, but, yeah: in 1987, i had an fsr (thinner than a credit card, & a bit smaller than same) including a single, flat potentiometer all velcro'ed to the face of my gtr; the fsr & the pot both sent cv, which was converted into midi cc's for the control of various parameters on outboard fx devices. (the connector was an add'l flat ribbon-cable). built for me by a guy at telex. still have that thing, somewhere..... also: recently, i saw (?in a magazine?) a guitarist who had embedded a kaoss pad into his instrument. and, on my new instrument, i've left some surface-space for the potential/eventual inclusion of some tactex-type controls --- which are meant to control certain facets of the edp & repeater; don't really know if/when i'll get to this..... but the idea of *integrating* loop-ctrls into the face of my main instrument is certainly appealing. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 09:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07522; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:17:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:17:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <138.45d5d56.291e909d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:15:57 EST Subject: Re: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com per, >But today, with the >EDP around, I think it would be cool to loop synth arpeggios in the EDP >as well as the clean guitar sound - and then play melody lines and >chords/arpeggio on top. cool. add'l fun can be had by midi-sequencing what ya record into your repeater --- pitches, track balances & mutes, slipping, etc. (i've been using LAMP, for this, but looking at fast/interactive hardware solutions....) have you tried any of these hardware units?: emu xl (seq/arp/sounds) doepfer regalwerk & schaltwerk (seq) frostwave (seq) future retro mobius (seq) etc best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 09:36:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08366; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:33:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:30:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <138.45d5d56.291e909d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <9k2T1B.A.OCC.6pT77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > per, > >But today, with the > >EDP around, I think it would be cool to loop synth arpeggios in the EDP > >as well as the clean guitar sound - and then play melody lines and > >chords/arpeggio on top. > cool. > add'l fun can be had by midi-sequencing what ya record into your > repeater --- > pitches, track balances & mutes, slipping, etc. > best, > dt / s-c > What a cool idea! I got an old Alesis MMT8 here. Thanks to your remark it just crossed my mind that I can fill those 8 seq tracks up with controller data for the Repeater and then mute/unmute them to turn the Repeater into.... I don't know what! Got to try this :) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 10:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10610; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:59:19 EST Subject: Re: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com per: to add to this --- you may want to DL the repeater v1.1 sw-update, at electrixpro.com. best, dt / s-c >per, >>But today, with the >>EDP around, I think it would be cool to loop synth arpeggios in the EDP >>as well as the clean guitar sound - and then play melody lines and >>chords/arpeggio on top. >cool. >add'l fun can be had by midi-sequencing what ya record into your repeater >--- >pitches, track balances & mutes, slipping, etc. >(i've been using LAMP, for this, but looking at fast/interactive hardware > >solutions....) >have you tried any of these hardware units?: >emu xl (seq/arp/sounds) >doepfer regalwerk & schaltwerk (seq) >frostwave (seq) >future retro mobius (seq) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 10:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11928; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:18:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pete Gilbert" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Jamman for sale Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c169fa$c3ec5370$2f5a8318@v6m9y9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am selling my jamman. See the auction on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1484334217 Pete Gilbert http://people.mw.mediaone.net/pgilbert/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 11:32:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18877; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c16a04$d24a9080$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Mike Hughes, PhD" From: "Mike Hughes, PhD" To: one less than none , LD mailing list References: <000c01c169e3$19586280$8ad91f3e@snowmonster> Subject: Re: UK loop gigs Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:29:07 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9VBnuB.A.plE.MXV77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David said: > Does anyone know of any regular UK loop venues ?? Not as such... though gigs are sporadically announced on here, they are dotted about the country a bit. > I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! Well, if you'd said that earlier, things might have been different. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 11:52:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20278; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:50:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c16a07$1fb2a040$c3065cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #242 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:44:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #242 November 8, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert that sprang up to fill the void felt by the cancellation of some of this year's EM festivsls. Instead of the Feature CD at Midnight, the set performed by Under the Dome was played. The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Jean Michel Jarre. The music of David Darling was played in support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering. The Hampshire Jam http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#nov The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Jean Michel Jarre Parts I - II Oxygene (Polydor) VA [Paul Nagle] Adventure Beyong Me (Neu Harmony) David Darling Prayer and Word Cello Blue (Hearts of Space) James Johnson and Resonant Landscape Forgotten Places (Zero Music & Robert Scott Thompson Aucourant Records) Dean DeBenedictis Avenging Ilfated Visions A Lone Reply (Fateless) Dino Pacifici Untitled Preview CDR (Scorpio Rising Music) 12:00 am Under the Dome Krell Science The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Launch The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Drift The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome The Long Run The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome The Aeon's Day (exerpts) The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Return The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Keto-Enol Tautomerism The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Flussiger Vier-Taktar The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Nightfall (Hell exerpt) The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Launch 2 The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Hell (final exerpt) The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) Under the Dome Solar Gravity The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert that presented five of Europe's top electronic music acts and took place on October 27, 2001. The Feature CD at Midnight will be replaced by the performance given by AirSculpture. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Edgar Froese. And I will play the music of David Darling to promote his Gathering concert. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 13:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26211; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:13:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:13:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: re: Eventstation & Loopers-delight mailing list. Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:12:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Eventstation & Loopers-delight mailing list. Thread-Index: AcFqE0FhFhjwk918R96C2RJ+YVZ6RA== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Harvey Starr" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The EventStation sounds great. I've had a DrumKat for years and hate programming it! There are a number of cool things that it can do but getting to those things is prohibitively difficult. There are some aspects such as Motifs that it seems only Mario, Alternate mode's owner can do. And I hate that I had to pay for upgrades. Plus there's a problem where the FSR corrodes every few years requiring a $200+ replacement. As much as I love playing it, I'm not a happy customer. But I've never played anything else that physically even comes close to it. The main reason I bought it was not for the midi capabilities but for the pad configuration. I haven't seen another FSR based compact box with 10 pads with excellent rebound that's built to last,etc,etc. All of the midi routing and stuff I treat as extra. I think that represents a common Kat customer. They also make the purely midi interface - the midi kitty, but I don't think it's very popular. (they're blowing them out for cheap on their website http://www.alternatemode.com) I also have a Roland vkit hybrid. I can see some advantages to plugging my pads into the EventStation and not the vdrum brain - I'd gain better sequencing for one. But I loose the positional sensitivity the TD10 offers. IMHO, the EventStation without an innovative pad option might not appeal to many drummers. (Of course it would be great for the acoustic trigger crowd but from the features you listed it sounds more oriented to the sophisticated electronic player.) One could build a kit with any of the external pads & stands but when you add in the cost of an EventStation + sampler such as the Kurzweil, it gets outrageously expensive. Most people would head toward a package such as vdrums, Yamaha, dynacord setups. From that as a base, they'd start to add on. The cool thing about the drumkat is that it supplements what I already have. And I can use it with just my modules rack for a more portable setup. Have you considered building your own Drumkat like controller? Or merging with or licensing Kat's pad setup somehow? Alternate mode's pretty tiny and the owner, Mario seems to be a nice guy and a hardcore musician. BTW, the Drumbar looks amazing! Since it already has a midi out what would be some of the advantages to using it with the eventstation? Thanks Kind regards -Bill Wolf NYC Bill Wolf B l u e f l a m e, Inc. 3 University Plaza Suite 600 Hackensack, NJ 07601-6223 T 877 488 7222 ext 127 E-mail bwolf@blueflameinc.com http://www.blueflameinc.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 13:23:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26625; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011110095133.00e0d4d0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:51:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4WANk.A.OfG.H_W77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:23 AM 11/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Has anybody made, or considered, a Kaosspad-like MIDI controller to be >clipped onto an electric guitar where some guitars have pick guards? Call >it a "double whammy surface" or something like that .... > >Even better, if there's some way to make it a rubber percussion pad that >senses contact location and can track movement along it ... yes. -hs >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 13:40:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27570; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:37:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:37:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:35:45 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #662 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 09/11/01 16:25:41 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > i have nero v5 and i was pretty sure i had done this, > so i just did it again and this works: thanks Jim, I found things just like you said. Trying it now. Takes ages for the "oscilloscope to appear" (hour long track), but looks good for getting the right result. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 13:54:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28084; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:50:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:50:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:49:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9B58F858-D60B-11D5-9615-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're looking for a MIDI equipped guitar with MIDI clock synchable arppeggation, why not try the GR-33? My GR-30 has a decent arppeggiator built in, and I bet the 33 has the same. A bit of a bitch to program via the box itself, but there is a handy bit of shareware that allows programming via a Mac. I'm sure PC versions exist too. Oh, by the way, the sounds on the GR-30 are mostly unremarkable on their own, but a little processing (mmmm fuzzz) and they're pretty good. Hope this helps. Mark On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 04:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a midi arpeggiator to use live together with EDP and a > midi > equipped guitar. Now there's a Quasimidi Quasar available here and I'm > wondering if someone have tried live arpeggiating with this unit? > > I did live arp'ing some eight years ago with a Oberheim Cyclone and a > synth. > Unfortunately I was stupid to sell my Cyclone back then. But today, > with the > EDP around, I think it would be cool to loop synth arpeggios in the EDP > as > well as the clean guitar sound - and then play melody lines and > chords/arpeggio on top. > > Regards > > per boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 14:00:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28363; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:57:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:57:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c16a1a$3b5e1500$431cf7a5@billcumm> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: , "Harvey Starr" References: Subject: Re: drumBAR Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:02:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Harvey Starr" ; Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: re: Eventstation & Loopers-delight mailing list. > > BTW, the Drumbar looks amazing! Since it already has a midi out what > would be some of the advantages to using it with the eventstation? > Yeh, it looks wicked. How long has it been around for? how does it compare (playing & feature wise) to a zenDrum? ALso, where can I demo one? I'm in NYC. Bill Cummings From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 14:10:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29970; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:05:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:05:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:03:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <46.1d760e34.291e8e3d@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <0b_frC.A.eTH.0oX77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 06:05 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > also: recently, i saw (?in a magazine?) a guitarist who had embedded a > kaoss > pad into his instrument. > When I bought the KAOSS pad, it was my intention to somehow mount it on my Steinberger. I had purchased it sight unseen, because a trusted friend had used it and recommended it highly. Boy was I wrong. That sucker's pretty big. Seems like it would take a lot of mutilation to get it into your guitar. I also found it better to effect loops, than the output of my guitar. Same holds true of the Air FX. It still would be cool if it could be mounted to my instrument, but that would mean running audio cables back and forth to my guitar, in addition to what's coming out of the Roland GK-2A. A little excessive, I think. So, for now, the Air FX sits close bye on it's mic mount, and the KAOSS pad belongs to my wife. I've had worse things happen to me. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 14:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31134; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:23:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:23:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:22:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 12:23 AM -0500 11/10/01, just john wrote: >>Has anybody made, or considered, a Kaosspad-like MIDI controller to be >>clipped onto an electric guitar where some guitars have pick guards? Call >>it a "double whammy surface" or something like that .... > >http://www.tactex.com/prodMTC.htm >-- MTC Express Specification (subject to change without notice): Package Outline (in, WxDxH) 7.59 x 6.69 x 0.38 Weight (oz) 17.0 Too big & too heavy. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 16:24:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05440; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:21:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:18:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9B58F858-D60B-11D5-9615-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Mark, but I already have a midi guitar. I'm looking for input on a separate hardware arpeggiator. All the best Per > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > If you're looking for a MIDI equipped guitar with MIDI clock synchable > arppeggation, why not try the GR-33? My GR-30 has a decent arppeggiator > built in, and I bet the 33 has the same. A bit of a bitch to program > via the box itself, but there is a handy bit of shareware that allows > programming via a Mac. I'm sure PC versions exist too. > > Oh, by the way, the sounds on the GR-30 are mostly unremarkable on their > own, but a little processing (mmmm fuzzz) and they're pretty good. > > Hope this helps. > > Mark > > On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 04:44 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm looking for a midi arpeggiator to use live together with EDP and a > > midi > > equipped guitar. Now there's a Quasimidi Quasar available here and I'm > > wondering if someone have tried live arpeggiating with this unit? > > > > I did live arp'ing some eight years ago with a Oberheim Cyclone and a > > synth. > > Unfortunately I was stupid to sell my Cyclone back then. But today, > > with the > > EDP around, I think it would be cool to loop synth arpeggios in the EDP > > as > > well as the clean guitar sound - and then play melody lines and > > chords/arpeggio on top. > > > > Regards > > > > per boysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 16:25:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05524; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:23:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:23:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:26:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff snyder Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2xkbxB.A.1VB.SqZ77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe Elliot Sharp had something like this attached to his guitar when he performed in madison... definitely a custom job, though... Although I think it was less Kaosspadlike, and more like a straight-line midi finger-controlstrip... He was using it to adjust CC-data being sent to MAX running on a laptop... -jeff >At 12:23 AM -0500 11/10/01, just john wrote: >>Has anybody made, or considered, a Kaosspad-like MIDI controller to be >>clipped onto an electric guitar where some guitars have pick guards? Call >>it a "double whammy surface" or something like that .... > >http://www.tactex.com/prodMTC.htm >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com >http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 16:58:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06587; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:55:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:55:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:45:18 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <5AR6XC.A.omB.4Ia77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:22 PM -0500 11/10/01, just john wrote: >MTC Express Specification (subject to change without notice): > Package Outline (in, WxDxH) 7.59 x 6.69 x 0.38 > Weight (oz) 17.0 > >Too big & too heavy. Tactex is licensing their smart fabric technology to other manufacturers. The MTC Express may not in itself be suitable for guitar-mount but the smart fabric certainly would be. The interface electronics could be mounted inside a guitar body, or perhaps even in a remote box with a cable connection to the fabric element. I don't know the technical limitations of that, but a motivated designer could certainly make such a thing work. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 17:11:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08345; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:08:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:08:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <35.1da75b10.291eff06@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:07:02 EST Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com josnyder@students.wisc.edu writes: >I believe Elliot Sharp had something like this attached to his guitar >when he performed in madison... definitely a custom job, though... >Although I think it was less Kaosspadlike, and more like a >straight-line midi finger-controlstrip... He was using it to adjust >CC-data being sent to MAX running on a laptop... the thing on elliott's gtr is actually one of those touchy/feely mousepads, straight from the computer-world. generally, he seems to use it to manipulate samples in the LiSA sw (from STEIM) on his p-book. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 17:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08451; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <16a.3b8ef49.291eff6a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:08:42 EST Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Tactex is licensing their smart fabric technology to other >manufacturers. The MTC Express may not in itself be suitable for >guitar-mount but the smart fabric certainly would be. The interface >electronics could be mounted inside a guitar body, or perhaps even in >a remote box with a cable connection to the fabric element. I don't >know the technical limitations of that, but a motivated designer >could certainly make such a thing work. truth: we've been looking at this tech. for a while, & it certainly can be molded in that direction..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 18:51:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14405; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c16a42$f3e15060$431cf7a5@billcumm> Reply-To: "Bill Cummings" From: "Bill Cummings" To: References: <003a01c16a07$1fb2a040$c3065cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #242 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:53:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <6qkqqB.A.OgD.ayb77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill, I live in Westchester NY. (Rye) What station & times can I tune in to hear EMUSIC? Thanks, Bill Cummings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #242 > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #242 November 8, 2001. > > > RECAP: > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert > that sprang up to fill the void felt by the cancellation of some of this year's > EM festivsls. Instead of the Feature CD at Midnight, the set performed by > Under the Dome was played. > > The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute > to Records, was by Jean Michel Jarre. The music of David Darling was played in > support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering. > > The Hampshire Jam > http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#nov > The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/events.html > > > PLAYLIST: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:04 pm > Jean Michel Jarre Parts I - II Oxygene (Polydor) > VA [Paul Nagle] Adventure Beyong Me (Neu Harmony) > David Darling Prayer and Word Cello Blue (Hearts of Space) > James Johnson and Resonant Landscape Forgotten Places (Zero Music & > Robert Scott Thompson Aucourant Records) > Dean DeBenedictis Avenging Ilfated Visions A Lone Reply (Fateless) > Dino Pacifici Untitled Preview CDR (Scorpio Rising Music) > > 12:00 am > Under the Dome Krell Science The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Launch The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Drift The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome The Long Run The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome The Aeon's Day (exerpts) The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Return The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Keto-Enol Tautomerism The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Flussiger Vier-Taktar The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Nightfall (Hell exerpt) The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Launch 2 The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Hell (final exerpt) The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > Under the Dome Solar Gravity The Hampshire Jam (MiniDisc) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a > concert that presented five of Europe's top electronic music acts and took > place on October 27, 2001. The Feature CD at Midnight will be replaced by the > performance given by AirSculpture. > > Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Edgar Froese. And I will play the > music of David Darling to promote his Gathering concert. > > Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic > ============================================================================ === > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 19:48:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18484; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:44:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:44:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011111004330.62052.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:43:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed To: per@boysen.se, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7_CdqD.A.QfE.Gnc77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Something like this? http://www.mam-germany.de/com/produkte/map1_e.html --- Per Boysen wrote: > Thanks Mark, but I already have a midi guitar. I'm > looking for input on a > separate hardware arpeggiator. > > All the best > > Per ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 22:27:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28525; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c16a60$1c5dd280$58aee83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: Subject: OT: Sitar Simulator? Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:22:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody knows about Danelectro's Sitar Swami Sitar Simulation Pedal? I emailed Danelectro but got no reply. There is nothing about this pedal on their www. petr Here it is: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=011110190544063232174088597739 /search/g=home/detail/base_id/56195 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 10 22:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29460; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0595829B@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop-Heavy Gig Spam: Middlebury, VT 11/3 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:46:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <5u7a9.A.9LH.xTf77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just in case anyone is curious, I've just posted MP3 audio of the entire 11/3 concert I did. Lots of looping (guitar, flute, temple gongs and voice into a Jamman and then mangled by a filter factory and vortex). http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/11-3.htm Enjoy?! m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 01:47:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06240; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:44:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Sitar Simulator? In-Reply-To: <005e01c16a60$1c5dd280$58aee83f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <7Zp3zC.A.ygB.B4h77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, pepetr wrote: > Anybody knows about Danelectro's Sitar Swami Sitar Simulation Pedal? > I emailed Danelectro but got no reply. There is nothing about this > pedal on their www. > > petr > > Here it is: > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=011110190544063232174088597739 > /search/g=home/detail/base_id/56195 I found a Swiss music store website with some verbiage about the pedal on their site. I can't read it, but you might. http://www.musicolar.ch/dano_std_pedals.htm best, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 02:34:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09488; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:32:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011111004330.62052.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011111004330.62052.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:30:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1NkJAC.A.1TC.Gli77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Something like this? > >http://www.mam-germany.de/com/produkte/map1_e.html very cheap too -- US prices are here. http://www.ucik.com/MAM_America/mam_products.htm /t -- http://whatGoes.com/submit .................... submit to the calendar. http://fortNY.com/14nov2001 ............ November Forteans of New York. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 04:19:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15544; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 04:14:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 04:14:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:13:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Loop-Heavy Gig Spam: Middlebury, VT 11/3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0595829B@tiger.middlebury.edu> Message-Id: <5DEAA490-D684-11D5-A959-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <8Oel2.A.wxD.RFk77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, really beautiful stuff! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 07:46 PM, Christensen, Mark wrote: > Just in case anyone is curious, I've just posted MP3 audio of the entire > 11/3 concert I did. > > Lots of looping (guitar, flute, temple gongs and voice into a Jamman and > then mangled by a filter factory and vortex). > > http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/11-3.htm > > Enjoy?! > > m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 04:21:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15701; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 04:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 04:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:17:46 -0800 Subject: Brain Kenny! From FRESNO, GOD DAMNIT! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0595829B@tiger.middlebury.edu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <5DzgdB.A.M1D.OJk77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I ventured out to see a band called ROBOTARM tonight, very nice "Frithesque" music, and after they performed a Warr Guitarist and JamMan user named Brian Kenny played. Amazing use of a looping device by a very sick individual. This guy is for sure channeling the spirit of Frank Zappa. A must see if he's traveling in your area. Here's his weblink: http://www.bonghitrecords.com/ Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 07:46 PM, Christensen, Mark wrote: > Just in case anyone is curious, I've just posted MP3 audio of the entire > 11/3 concert I did. > > Lots of looping (guitar, flute, temple gongs and voice into a Jamman and > then mangled by a filter factory and vortex). > > http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/11-3.htm > > Enjoy?! > > m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 05:00:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20959; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 04:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 04:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c16a32$d2b57160$8df638cb@n> From: "Steven" To: Subject: Fw: [eventidehelps] Re: More on MIDI Controllers Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:58:23 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I just wanted to bring to the groups attention Eventide is interested in ideas from this community for an Eventide MIDI Footcontroller. Italo would appreciate comments, ideas, wish list's etc from people who might like to contribute to this project. At the Eventide mailing list at Yahoo. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps To: Loopers are very welcome Regards to all Steven Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo De Angelis" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:31 AM Subject: [eventidehelps] Re: More on MIDI Controllers > Hello Steven > I always follow Loopers Delight discussions. We at Eventide think > that quality has a price that many don't seem to want to spend on it. > This is a common character we found in many discussion groups. > An Eventide Midi pedalboard, with advanced features, of course is > not going to be cheap as a Midiwizard or the likes...this has to be > clear. > But anyways, we would much appreciate any report, wish list and > suggestion from just about anybody HERE in the Support Group. > Why don't YOU bring some loopers over here to join the thread? > Thank You very much > > best regards > Italo De Angelis In eventidehelps@y..., "Steven" wrote: Hello, Really this topic gets a regular bashing on www.loopersdelight.com and there is so many people on Kim Flint's list who know so much and could also contribute to this topic and are sick of trying to keep old footcontrollers going. Steven From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 05:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22264; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c16a33$4c336ec0$8df638cb@n> From: "Steven" To: Subject: Fw eventideRe: MIDI Controllers For your information Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:01:48 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello An little more info on the Eventide MIDI Footcontroller Thank you Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo De Angelis" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:57 AM Subject: [eventidehelps] Re: More on MIDI Controllers > --- In eventidehelps@y..., Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 7:43 AM +0000 11/8/01, Italo De Angelis wrote: > > > > >Let's start the thread about EVENTIDE MIDI PEDALBOARD ! > > >Any ideas, folks? > > > > I think there are at least two categories of users, those who want > a > > reasonable measure of control at a reasonable price and those who > > want a great deal of control and are willing to pay for it. > Therefore > > it is probable that we'll be talking about two different units. > This > > presents a problem, because the sales numbers may not justify the > > parallel development. > > I agree and think we need something better than what we have around > in the market now!!! > Let's make one, better and cheaper than the ONLY very good one > available today. > > > > > * Whether there is one model or two, the obvious control elements > > must include switches, (optional) control pedals, and one or more > > displays. > > COOL > > > > * Programming of this unit should be easy to do on the unit itself, > > but there should also be cross-platform software for programming > from > > an external computer. I stress that this software must be available > > for both PC and Mac. > > COOL > > > * A built-in programmer should be similar in layout to the standard > > Eventide keypad, but for the sake of durability underfoot the > > programming switches should probably be membrane switches. > > Programming switches should be distinct from the operational foot > > switches. The layout of the Mitigator RFC-1 may be a good model. > > THERE ARE SURELY OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE > > > > * Switches should be robust AND quiet. They should provide both > > tactile and visual feedback to indicate that they have indeed been > > pressed, but there should not be a resounding "click" - not > everyone > > plays at rock and roll levels. > > > SIMPLY EXTRA-COOL > > > > * Switches should be able to function in several modes, assignable > in > > software: momentary, toggle, step forward/back through several > > states, etc. > > LET'S ADD A WAY TO CALIBRATE PEDALS!!!! MANY OF THEM HAVE PROBLEMATIC > OR POOR POTENTIOMETERS. ORVILLE/7000/ECLIPSE ALREADY HAVE THIS > FEATURE. > > > > > * There should be direct support of multiple continuous control > > pedals. Some performers may need eight or more (I've seen as many > as > > 24). There might be a pair of pedals built in, as many existing > > controllers do have, and there should be some number of 1/4" jacks > to > > accommodate common expression pedals. > > OK; I WOULD PERSONALLY GO FOR 2 BUILT IN PEDAL AND 6 MORE INPUTS > USEFUL FOR BOTH more PEDALS AND/OR SWITCHES > > > > * There should be an option to daisy-chain multiple external pedal > > modules. These modules should have a similar form factor to the > > Mitigator CFC-4 pedal, four continuous pedals mounted together in a > > solid frame. These frames could optionally be locked together with > > hardware that would permit them to be in a straight line or at a > > variety of angles. The pedal groups should probably link > > electronically by MIDI, or by EVE/NET if it's up to the task. > > THIS MAKES THINGS MORE EXPENSIVE!!! > PEOPLE CAN BUY PEDALS ALREADY EXISTING ON THE MARKET FOR LESS MONEY. > BUT IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING , OF COURSE. > > > > * The system should accommodate inputs from other types of > > controllers, designed by Eventide or third parties. One pedal > design > > idea I've been promoting for years is a continuous controller pedal > > with a return-to-center function such as is commonly found in > > keyboard pitch bend wheels. > > mmmhhh MUMBLE...WORTH CONSIDERING > > > > * The controller should have multiple visual displays. Ideally, > each > > switch should have its own alphanumeric label. This will certainly > > bump up the cost, but it will be a big ergonomic improvement over > > most other pedal boards. > > SUPER EXTRA COOL!!! > > WHAT ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS ANY MIDI COMMAND, FROM PROG CH TO > CONTROL CH, FROM SYSEX PROGRAMMING TO START/STOP/ETC... > AND SOME MORE COOL STUFF...LIKE A COUPLE OF BUILT IN LFOS ABLE TO > ADDRESS MIDI MESSAGES TO SWEEP THEM! and A RANDOMIZER TOO! > > > Thanx Richard!!! > > Come on folks...we know you Eventide Users have creativity and lots > of power to control! > What's next? > > best regards > MidItaloop > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 06:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25229; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 06:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 06:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:03:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20011111004330.62052.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Thanks Mark, but I already have a midi guitar. I'm > > looking for input on a > > separate hardware arpeggiator. > Something like this? > http://www.mam-germany.de/com/produkte/map1_e.html > ===== > John Tidwell Exactly! Looks as the old Cyclon has been reborn here :-) I'll check with the Swedish dealer on monday. Thanks! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 09:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02163; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BEE8A1B.1060104@columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:24:27 -0500 From: Morgan Hamilton Lang Reply-To: mhl21@columbia.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX in software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael: Miller Puckette, the same chap who originally developed MAX (along with David Zicarelli), has had a very MAX-like program for Windows out there for a few years now. It's called Pure Data. It's open source, too, so it can be gotten for free at http://www.pure-data.org It doesn't have as many objects as MAX, nor does it have all the bells and whistles of MSP, but lots of laptop noise musicians seem to love it. I've heard it's quite stable. Cheers, MHL >how about MAX for Windows? There have been rumors about a port but I've >heard nothing from it since. I've never seen actually seen MAX ... are >programs such as Audiomulch similar, or are there substantial >differences? > >= michael peters >= computer graphics + electronic music >= www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 11:39:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09517; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <96.1cf8de5c.292002b3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:34:59 EST Subject: Re: EDP feedback + EDP sync JamMan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Cliff As I remember With the EDP in Delay mode there's a decay of the loop even at 100% feedback. (But with the new Loop4 software this seems to be fixed.) Your JamMan will sync with the EDP nicely, but remember that the EDP deals in quavers (1/8 notes) while the JamMan uses crotchets (1/4 notes ), ....had me caught out for a while:-) Watch for the JamMan's MIDI latency though andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 11:40:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09512; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <120.6ee1e8b.292002b2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:34:58 EST Subject: Re: CD Mastering Conundrum (Summary) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CD Mastering Conundrum Apologies for the post earlier with "Digest" in the title, not intended for the list. ...and also for being Off Topic (but I think anyone else wanting to master long loop tracks will think it On T) Thanks to the numerous answers, especially to Jim for pointing out the software I use(Nero5) can actually do this anyway. DUH "Get It On CD" , Wavelab , Nero5 all do this for PC Jam for mac. Seems that a long .wav (like a long loop performance) is best not edited into chunks with a sound editor. Works best to let the CD burning software handle this job. (Nero5 also does crossfades) I reckon there's an insoluable problem in that the way the CD data is stored, which is in blocks of samples. As the track has to be a whole number of blocks long it's not possible to hit a zero crossing at the track changeover. While this is OK for playing consecutive tracks there's a chance that if the tracks are not played one after the other (just a single track, or a random selection) there may be clicks at the beginning or end of tracks. No one seems to know about the possible cutting off of the beginning of the .wav file, (I've seen it happen though) Nevertheless problem solved and thanks to the list in general. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 14:19:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20049; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: just-john@just-john.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46.1d760e34.291e8e3d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:27:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Resent-Message-ID: <4xkJT.A.B4E.y5s77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... >to control certain facets of the edp & repeater; don't really know if/when >i'll get to this..... but the idea of *integrating* loop-ctrls into the face >of my main instrument is certainly appealing. >best, >dt / s-c Yup. ... and failing that, some sort of "universal" clip-on or clamp-on would sue hist the spot. I figure the add-on route might have higher sales potential, tho there'd always be guitar styles that it wouldn't work on. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 14:21:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20053; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:17:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:17:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: just-john@just-john.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002301c16a04$d24a9080$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> References: <000c01c169e3$19586280$8ad91f3e@snowmonster> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:28:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: UK loop gigs Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >David said: >> Does anyone know of any regular UK loop venues ?? > >Not as such... though gigs are sporadically announced on here, they are >dotted about the country a bit. > >> I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! > >Well, if you'd said that earlier, things might have been different. > >Mike (Stifling remarks about how you shoulda known by the elegantly tapered legs ...) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 14:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20867; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:30:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:30:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16a.3b8ef49.291eff6a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:30:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>know the technical limitations of that, but a motivated designer >>could certainly make such a thing work. >truth: >we've been looking at this tech. for a while, & it certainly can be molded in >that direction..... >best, >dt / s-c So, what sort of motivation may we provide, to encourage you? Beer? T-shirts? Very strong coffee? --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 11 18:28:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04647; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:24:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <80.11a466cf.28ff2064@aol.com> References: <80.11a466cf.28ff2064@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:21:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [loop NY] next plan: a full day? (in a loft? (out of Manhattan?)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1QQWMB.A.hHB.yhw77@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the three day thing didn't work, so let's propose another: 1. a full day so we can set up and give a lot of people a chance to play even if there's no audience yet except other loopers. 2. perhaps a loft space rather than a club? 3. if a loft space, perhaps out of Manhattan? 4. We use someone else's party-throwing system I looked through all the posts we've had on this, and this one made a lot of sense to me. From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Oct 10 > Another option is to rent a loft space for a night and charge >admission - DUMBO maybe? >My roomate is a video projection artist who loops in the visual >spectrum. Maybe we can expand the theme beyond audio, and make a >REPETITION FEST, where we could have photo montage artwork on the >walls, looped video on the ceilings, and looped music all around. This has a lot of appeal IF we could hook up with people who were already doing this. There are a LOT of spaces out of Manhattan where groups regularly run art parties with music and that sort of thing. I don't want to get into the business of renting a Dumbo space... they are really large and quite expensive (thousands of dollars a night in many cases...) I think that IF we go this route we want to get a large, private loft where we play at someone else's loft space and they handle the door, beer consumption, etc. I go to a TON of these... in weird parts of the city, like Flushing and East Williamsburg (though not Staten Island) and they are usually PACKED -- good spaces, good sound systems, young intelligent crowds, amazing! We could do the setup in the morning and play all day and have specific shows at night. The space'd probably have specific DJs they wanted at points -- it'd be partly informal... A lot of them like Rubulad won't let people advertise but we can tell our friends and a lot of cool people show up there. Thoughts? /t -- http://whatGoes.com/submit .................... submit to the calendar. http://fortNY.com/14nov2001 ............ November Forteans of New York. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 07:50:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23170; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:48:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:48:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Montagna Milco To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID FREE LOOPS Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:45:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I've recently bought some CDs of Loops for Acid (which includes the excellent Pandora's Toolbox by David Torn). I know that I can use them in my own compositions but I've also found some interesting stuff in the promotional loops for other CDs. Can I also use these in my compositions , which I distribute over the Internet? Milko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 08:19:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25215; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:16:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c16b7c$04788ad0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: "one less than none" , "Loopers-Delight" References: <000c01c169e3$19586280$8ad91f3e@snowmonster> Subject: Re: UK loop gigs Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:14:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C16B7C.041B9DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C16B7C.041B9DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a promoter called LEAPS which regularly organises gigs in = Cambridge, and these often have loop content. (I'm playing myself this = wednesday.) The website is http://www.leapsonline.org.uk/ cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: one less than none=20 To: LD mailing list=20 Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: UK loop gigs Does anyone know of any regular UK loop venues ?? David=20 I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C16B7C.041B9DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a promoter called LEAPS which regularly = organises gigs=20 in Cambridge, and these often have loop content. (I'm playing myself = this=20 wednesday.)
 
The website is http://www.leapsonline.org.uk/
 
 
cheers,
os.
 
os@collective.co.uk
http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/<= BR>http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/
http://www.collective.co.uk/
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Sent: Saturday, November 10, = 2001 12:27=20 PM
Subject: UK loop gigs

Does anyone know of any regular UK = loop venues=20 ??
 
David
 
I am a danish woman = !!!!!!!!!
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C16B7C.041B9DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 08:20:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25280; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:17:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:17:00 -0500 From: David Kenzik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ACID FREE LOOPS Message-ID: <20011112081700.I29693@over.react.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Milco.Montagna@albacom.it on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:45:48PM +0100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Montagna Milco said... > excellent Pandora's Toolbox by David Torn). I know that I can use them in my > own compositions but I've also found some interesting stuff in the > promotional loops for other CDs. Can I also use these in my compositions , > which I distribute over the Internet? Possibly not (and the distribution channel is irrelevant.) You'd have to check with Sonic Foundry to get the final word, but they are probably distributed as 'promotional' to get you to purchase the actual CD. Are there any Sonic Foundry employee-lurkers here? -- David S. Kenzik david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 08:22:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25375; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:19:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:19:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:20:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Saturday, November 10, 2001, at 06:05 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >>also: recently, i saw (?in a magazine?) a guitarist who had embedded a kaoss >>pad into his instrument. >> >When I bought the KAOSS pad, it was my intention to somehow mount it >on my Steinberger. I had purchased it sight unseen, because a >trusted friend had used it and recommended it highly. Boy was I >wrong. That sucker's pretty big. Seems like it would take a lot of >mutilation to get it into your guitar. I also found it better to >effect loops, than the output of my guitar. Same holds true of the >Air FX. It still would be cool if it could be mounted to my >instrument, but that would mean running audio cables back and forth >to my guitar, in addition to what's coming out of the Roland GK-2A. >A little excessive, I think. So, for now, the Air FX sits close bye >on it's mic mount, and the KAOSS pad belongs to my wife. I've had >worse things happen to me. > >Mark Sottilaro I think the idea for all such constructions is to include just the controller into the instrument. By this you solve all problems: - size/weight - supply - aditional audio cables (just needs control voltages) But someone must find out how to take the machine apart (just wait, Cliff is going to send me a airFX ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 08:22:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25436; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:19:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:19:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005201c16951$9089c520$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <005201c16951$9089c520$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:20:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP loop mode decay question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff asks: > >I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and it seems even at 100% >feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal for delay mode? I >wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks- just watch the dot at LOOP display: If its flashing, we keep repeating the same loop and it doe not fade. To make sure it does not fade in DelayMode, switch to Hold (Overdub red). If Overdub is green, the input is open, and it depends on the input signal. If there is none, the said dot starts flashing and there is no decay. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 11:21:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04141; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:12:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:12:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:10:23 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re:[CD Mastering Conundrum] Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #662 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007b01c16b94$88ec6490$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you know your spit points ahead of time, i think you can set them without waiting for the visuals... > In a message dated 09/11/01 16:25:41 GMT Standard Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > i have nero v5 and i was pretty sure i had done this, > > so i just did it again and this works: > > > thanks Jim, I found things just like you said. > > Trying it now. > Takes ages for the "oscilloscope to appear" (hour long track), > but looks good for getting the right result. > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 12:09:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07784; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:06:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:06:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:04:28 -0800 Subject: Re: ACID FREE LOOPS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20011112081700.I29693@over.react.net> Message-Id: <551845F0-D78F-11D5-9E6D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <0ccpD.A.l4B.4EA87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not just read the copyright agreement that's included with all software? Mark Sottilaro On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 05:17 AM, David Kenzik wrote: > Montagna Milco said... > >> excellent Pandora's Toolbox by David Torn). I know that I can use them >> in my >> own compositions but I've also found some interesting stuff in the >> promotional loops for other CDs. Can I also use these in my >> compositions , >> which I distribute over the Internet? > > Possibly not (and the distribution channel is irrelevant.) > > You'd have to check with Sonic Foundry to get the final word, but they > are > probably distributed as 'promotional' to get you to purchase the actual > CD. > > Are there any Sonic Foundry employee-lurkers here? > > -- > David S. Kenzik > david@kenzik.com - http://kenzik.com > Original Music - http://kenzik.com/music > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 12:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09121; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c16bb8$ae5efde0$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: Breakdown | long time no hear =) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:29:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C16B86.62E2B960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C16B86.62E2B960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dip=20 To: breakdown@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Breakdown | long time no hear =3D) With a nice 2.5 MBit ADSL connection I often listen to MP3 radio = stations. 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------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C16B86.62E2B960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 12:53:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10064; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:49:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:49:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #666 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200111110919.EAA15751@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200111110919.EAA15751@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:47:40 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <163LAw-0INFceC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <5k6S7B.A.EbC.GtA87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Anybody knows about Danelectro's Sitar Swami Sitar Simulation Pedal? > I emailed Danelectro but got no reply. There is nothing about this > pedal on their www. Oh, how cool. Anybody try this? And that little reverse delay pedal looks interesting as well.... andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:23:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12796; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #666 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200111110919.EAA15751@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200111110919.EAA15751@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:18:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <163Lf5-0bk6CWC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Anybody knows about Danelectro's Sitar Swami Sitar Simulation Pedal? > I emailed Danelectro but got no reply. There is nothing about this > pedal on their www. Oh, how cool. Anybody try this? And that little reverse delay pedal looks interesting as well....any more info? andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:49:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14492; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:47:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c16baa$35044850$9e83abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:42:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jeff snyder" > I believe Elliot Sharp had something like this attached to his guitar Elliott is using a mouse pad attached to his 8 string custom gtr. it is controlling parameters on a software (i don't remember which one) on his portable mac. the result is amazing luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 13:59:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14863; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c16bab$43ec16d0$9e83abd4@giogio> From: "luca" To: References: <006601c16baa$35044850$9e83abd4@giogio> Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:53:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh-oh... see now dt had already responded to this (in a more complete way)..... i confess i was in big delay in reading ld messages: i started from 11-9..... sorry ! luca ----- Original Message ----- From: "luca" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Suddenly realizes there's hardware designers here ... > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "jeff snyder" > > I believe Elliot Sharp had something like this attached to his guitar > > Elliott is using a mouse pad attached to his 8 string custom gtr. > it is controlling parameters on a software (i don't remember which one) on > his portable mac. > the result is amazing > luca > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 15:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23224; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:41:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:41:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <80.11a466cf.28ff2064@aol.com> <80.11a466cf.28ff2064@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:39:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: [loop NY] next plan: a full day? (in a loft? (out of Manhattan?)) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think that IF we go this route we want to get a large, private >loft where we play at someone else's loft space and they handle >the door, beer consumption, etc. > > >I go to a TON of these... in weird parts of the city, like >Flushing and East Williamsburg (though not Staten Island) >and they are usually PACKED -- good spaces, good sound systems, >young intelligent crowds, amazing! > >We could do the setup in the morning and play all day and >have specific shows at night. The space'd probably have >specific DJs they wanted at points -- it'd be partly informal... > >A lot of them like Rubulad won't let people advertise but >we can tell our friends and a lot of cool people show up >there. > > >Thoughts? > > I like it.. I'm in Ansonia, CT, and tho in the past I've hosted weekend gatherings of Roleplaying Gamers from all over the place (we met via CompuServe, back in the day), I can't do the same for loopers 'cuz the electrical system in this house is pretty darned bad. (Hence my track "Surge" which is about "that guy whose whole studio was connected to only two outlets in his house.") --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 17:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31857; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:29:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:29:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:25:34 -0500 Subject: Re:NYC loopfest From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200111121736.MAA09268@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3088430734_341321_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3088430734_341321_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think the three day thing didn't work, so let's propose another: 1. a full day so we can set up and give a lot of people a chance to play even if there's no audience yet except other loopers. I like this idea -- personally, I'm most interested in meeting other loopers, seeing what people are doing, playing with other people more than going to concerts. 2. perhaps a loft space rather than a club? Why not! 3. if a loft space, perhaps out of Manhattan? 4. We use someone else's party-throwing system Do we really need an audience? Why not just get together with eachother and play. With perhaps a small audience to inspire us. --MS_Mac_OE_3088430734_341321_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:NYC loopfest
I think the three day thin= g didn't work, so let's propose another:

1. a full day so we can set up and give a lot of people a chance to play    even if there's no audience yet except other loopers.
I like this idea -- personally, I'm most inter= ested in meeting other loopers, seeing what people are doing, playing with o= ther people more than going to concerts.

2. perhaps a loft space rather than a club?
Why not!

3. if a loft space, perhaps out of Manhattan?

4. We use someone else's party-throwing system
Do we really need an audience?  Why not just get together with = eachother and play.
With perhaps a small audience to inspire us.

 --MS_Mac_OE_3088430734_341321_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 20:06:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08844; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011112194651.007f9140@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:46:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, bmcdevitt@microarts.com, BADGERPUPZ@cs.com, jstevens@fosters.com, thewintercrow@hotmail.com, richard@youngphotography.com, frank2@adelphia.net, scarpia@rumbletree.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Gig spam: Tuesday 11-13-01, Boston-area In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011105192807.00806180@pop.metrocast.net> References: <3BE2D442.BD0FB163@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of the Bosto-loopers were wondering about the door time on this; I'm still not sure what time they're letting people in, but I'm getting there by 7 for setup, and am pretty sure our set starts at 9:00 (we're first...). The club's phone # is (978)681-5353. Hopefully someone'll bring a camera so we can have some photographic evidence of the Northeastern LD T-Shirt Convention! At 07:28 PM 11/5/01 -0500, Tim Nelson wrote: >Here's that gig spam I warned yer about: > >When: Tuesday evening, November 13th >Where: Sydney's, 337 Essex St., Lawrence, Massachussetts >What: A noisy, loop-heavy multimedia thing >Who: (not sure in what order yet, but): > *Horchata dark ambient electronic >sounds by Mike Palace. > *Pine Tree State Mind Control uses subliminal messages >and hypnosis techniques to create a happy, productive society. > *Turpentine Consumption have >been described as 'The Andy Kaufman of Noise', so who knows what to expect? > *GKL is Shervin Fatehi, from MIT. He'll be reading some poetry while >PTSMC plays in the background. It will be more of a power electronics thing. > *Butch, which this time will be: > Butch Heilshorn: vocals (mutated and otherwise), circuit-bent stuff > Dustin Ruoff: Samples, loops, film projector, et cet'ra > Tim Nelson: Clandestine guitar, theremin, loops, devices. > >******************* >Directions to Sydneys from Boston: > >93 North >495 North >Exit Winthrop Ave/114 West >go straight past Showcase Cinemas >Bear right at Sovereign Bank & Pizza By Ozzie onto Parker St >Go under bridge/train tracks >Go across another bridge >Turn right onto Canal St >Turn left at the "one way" sign >Turn left onto Essex St >Syndey's is 337 Essex St >The club still bears the name "Ye Loft & Ladle" and usually has lots >of white Xmass lights outside. >Shows are downstairs. >****************************** > >Hope to see ya there! > >-t- > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:38:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19825; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:29:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:29:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:28:09 -0500 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Before the Fall @ ARTRAGES 11.17.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be showing slides and video from my ongoing project "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center", at ARTRAGES, the annual benefit party for Mobius Performance Space. The party is this Saturday night at 205 A Street in Boston (about 3 blocks from Congress Street). It will feature many art installations, bands, and other live performances, plus food (free) and drink. The party goes from 8PM to 1AM. Admission is (I believe) $15.00, and the money goes to a very worthy cause. Hope to see some of you there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 12 22:52:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20973; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF09783.58E7FC29@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:46:11 -0500 From: Len Seligman Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-20010313M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex EDP for sale on eBay (no reserve) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI, I'm selling one with footswitch on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1485166340 Happy looping, Len From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 01:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28648; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:53:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2193911.1005630684325.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:51:22 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: ken.cumali@excite.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP service under Gibson. How is it? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.123.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks... It's been a while. I first surfed the L-D list 5 years ago or so when I was waiting for my 3 echoplexes... for 10 months. I just sent all three in to Gibson for some lovin' and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with EDP service now that it's run by Gibson. I'm hoping for a much better experience, but I'm a little worried because I can't get a hold of Shane. (Keep in mind that in my last dealings with Oberheim, the plant moved, key echoplex people quit or got fired, etc. So I'm completely paranoid. When my EDP's finally did get to me, one had a broken potentiometer, one had a glass plate which was loose, and the footswitches were another 5 weeks after that because they'd printed all the words upside down! Rather than send them in, I phoned Mathias himself in South America and he was kind enough to help me figure out that the problem was the potentiometer and tell me how to fix it.) I only sent them in this time because the Gibson folks seemed like they were on top of things. I'm still hoping this is true. Anyone have experience here? My EDP's have always been skittish and prone to bizarre behavior. Anyone else found this? And there's the level's problem I'm hoping Shane can fix... (In Kim's EDP FAQ, the solution is to "Change R30 from 82.5 K to a 22.1 K 1% metal film resistor Change R10 from 2.21 K to a 10.0 K 1% metal film resistor.")Has anyone done this? Does anyone know if there's a new loop version beyond 5.0 in the works? Thanks much, fellow EDP loopers! Also, let me know if you want to know how it turns out, for future reference. Chris Darrow, San Francisco. (Ken Cumali does not exist.) . _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 01:21:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30046; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:01:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7437109.1005631214876.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: ken.cumali@excite.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP development wish... Undo from the "bottom" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.123.43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA29988 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To any EDP developers, in case you still surf this list: What I wish for most would be an undo parameter setting that allows me to undo from the “bottom” (first material recorded) as well as the “top”. (That is to say, subtracting the first layer of sounds without altering the volume of the layers above it.) Understanding a little about the way the EDP uses memory for undo currently; I think I have a foggy idea of how you could make it do this, if you want clarification. User interface-wise, I'd love to see the option to access this function two ways: A) by holding down another button at the same, or B) re-assigning the mute button. An alternative to this would be a new parameter setting for Feedback use… (provided you can figure out how to make the EDP subtract the first layer without disturbing the top at all) I would love to see the Feedback function do this as well. In fact, it could have two “automatic” settings which would enable one to have both instantiations of feedback control. Four settings total. I’ll try to explain all this… Setting One: Feedback in Loop mode is as it is now. 100% keeps the whole loop, 50% fades the whole loop by about half the volume with the first sounds you recorded dissapearing, 0% fades the whole loop out. Setting Two: Feedback in Loop mode is as I described above. At roughly 90% the first few “packets” (sections of sound as registered by the noise gate, as in the normal undo) are deleted entirely but the rest of it remains at the same volume. At roughly 10%, all but the last few “packets of sound” are deleted (provided there is enough memory, of course) while the last few sounds recorded remain at the same volume. Now for the “Automatic” settings where you get both types… If it is possible to divide the 100% into two sections, you could have 100% to 90% act as a sort of “On switch” for this second type of feedback I’m suggesting. So, let up on the Feedback pedal a only a little bit and you loose a percentage of “the bottom” of your loop each round (without altering the volume of later recorded sounds) until you put it back, to 100%. But if you depress the pedal below 90%, you can still fade your whole loop out at a variable rate. That would be the 3rd type of Feedback. The 4th type of Feedback would be the reverse of this. Hope that all made some sort of sense… you might have to read it two or three times. Let me know if you have further questions, and thank you so much for the best looping tool in the world. _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 02:31:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02042; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:15:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:15:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2463736.1005635651427.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: ken.cumali@excite.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP development wish 2... Mute like Undo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.123.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And an a setting where Mute acts like Undo, in terms of which parts it mutes. Or, to put it another way, Muting "from the top." God, would I love such a thing. Currently, I have to copy the loop and switch between the version with the top most sound (a guitar vamp, for example) and the version without it. Granted, for both this function and the one I was suggesting in the last email, there's a problem with just exactly what gets selected, but that's kind of a problem with Undo as it is anyway. You just kind of have to remember what you did and get used to it. For example, in this Mute mode I'm suggesting, it should wait a few seconds to give you a chance to mute more than one "packet" of sound before an additional press of the Mute button counts as an Un-Mute. (At that point it should group all the "packets" you've selected so as to Un-Mute all of them... and remember these for the next press of the button to re-mute these sounds--untill the loop is next modified. Just some more thoughts. For fun. Have a good night, all. Chris Darrow. San Francisco. (Ken Cumali does not exist.) . _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 12:26:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09130; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:20:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:20:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c16c80$0d56f1a0$23719818@vtr.net> From: "Daniel" To: , "felipe" , , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Lopez?= Cc: , Subject: Fw: materiali sonori Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:16:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "René" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: materiali sonori > > > hey lads check this out: > > > > http://www.matson.it/ > > > > there's a richard barbieri mp3 lying arund there somewhere called WOlf and > > moon > > > > anyone listened to Pedro Aznar? > > he did the sdtrk for the original version of K-Pax > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 16:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26249; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:59:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:59:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011113205650.99514.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed To: per@boysen.se, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ebay often has Oberheim cylcones for sale. That's where I bought mine. bret --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a midi arpeggiator to use live together with EDP and > a midi > equipped guitar. Now there's a Quasimidi Quasar available here and > I'm > wondering if someone have tried live arpeggiating with this unit? > > I did live arp'ing some eight years ago with a Oberheim Cyclone and a > synth. > Unfortunately I was stupid to sell my Cyclone back then. But today, > with the > EDP around, I think it would be cool to loop synth arpeggios in the > EDP as > well as the clean guitar sound - and then play melody lines and > chords/arpeggio on top. > > Regards > > per boysen > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 18:54:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10282; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:49:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:49:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:47:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: alesis air fx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just picked up an alesis air fx. i got it at saved by technology in toronto for $240CAD (equiv to about $150US). my first impressions are good - there is a lot of versatility here and the fidelity is great. since the fx get 'played' i would call this an instrument and as such it will take some time to master it. it is certainly fun and i think it will become an important addition to my set up. like most pieces of gear, the airfx isn't a bandaid for creating more interesting music: you have to have some interesting stuff going through it first before you can make things even more interesting. very cool little instrument and i look forward to getting into it. plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 13 20:30:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19500; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:27:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:27:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: EDP in Repeater FX Loop? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:26:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_9JWxB.A.svE.Hhc87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy Loop Cowboys-- I can't decide which way to go with my next looper purchase--maybe another EDP? Is anyone using the Echoplex Digital Pro in the effects loop of the Repeater? Is this a good way to go for a second looper? Also, any satisfied D-Two/EDP users? I eagerly await the EDP upgrade . . . Gary PS Broke out the Ztar--Interesting controller for looping--nice for ambient stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 00:52:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11018; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:46:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:46:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c16cd0$1868c000$0bd030d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: filters and electric guitar Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:49:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C16CD0.16E6B3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C16CD0.16E6B3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI im my search for more wierdness and the desire for my guitar to = sounds like the aphex twin i am looking at filter units. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C16CD0.16E6B3E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 01:05:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11942; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:58:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:58:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:55:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re:NYC loopfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Do we really need an audience? Why not just get together with >eachother and play. >With perhaps a small audience to inspire us. hmm, I kinda agree with this. but we need a space... I'm looking into it, but any suggestions MOST appreciated! /t /t -- http://whatGoes.com/submit .................... submit to the calendar. http://fortNY.com/14nov2001 ............ November Forteans of New York. http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 03:44:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25487; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:40:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:40:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Klein Electric FS Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:39:41 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <163vZi-0gBdCqC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <6ZJRnC.A.nMG.M3i87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine here in Germany is selling his Klein Electric (all stock, moderately played, vertical sunburst, rosewood neck, alder body, two Duncan HB's, original Gigbag) for $ 1700,- obo. Email me privately. Sorry for the OT, andreas P.S.: Maybe I can bring it to the NY Loopfest, but dates don't seem to be fixed yet. Also timewise I can't travel to close to Feb. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 04:27:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29436; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:24:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:24:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: EDP in Repeater FX Loop? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:20:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Gary Lehmann [mailto:healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net] >Is anyone using the Echoplex Digital Pro in the effects loop of the > Repeater? Not yet. But the concept looks deep. I really have to try it out for some time. For the moment I'm more into putting them in parallel, going from my instrument into a switch blade that directs the signal to either the EDP or the Repeater. But I'm pretty sure that I always want to use the EDP as the sync master and have the Repeater slaving. This makes sense to me since the EDP to me is more like "an instrument" and the Repeater like "a four track recorder/effect processor". That way I can have them both spinning in with the tempo I start playing in. I had a big problem with this when using only the Repeater. And with this setting you can mangle tempo and pitch in the Repeater (the mighty cc 14 trick) and still have them coming back into sync. I'm still amazed that the Repeater manages to catch up :-) Another thing I'm experimenting with is using a slaved midi sequencer with controller data for the Repeater (no midi notes, only pan, pitch and volume). This sequencer only plays a two bar pattern and I use it to induce the following dynamical effects to three Repeater tracks: (1) Pitch down one octave (having bass line coming back to the right pitch after messing around with the "cc 14"). (2) 1/16 tremolo (percussively gated - volume 0/64) together with panning left/right. (3) 1/12 tremolo (not too gated - volume 50/64) The EDP and Repeater used together seems to be a great combo! Thinking about stomping away on an "Ibanez Hold Delay" back in 1984... well, this is more fun :-D All the best per boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 09:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23318; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c16d1a$90498880$265430d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: Vox 125 with 2 x 12 cabinet Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:42:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C16D1A.8EE16D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C16D1A.8EE16D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmmi found one of these cheap. Info is available at = http://www.voxshowroom.com/uk/amp/v125.html Has anyone ever tried one ??/ are they any good ? David=20 I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C16D1A.8EE16D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hmmmi found one of these cheap. Info is = available=20 at http://www.voxshowro= om.com/uk/amp/v125.html
 
Has anyone ever tried one = ??/
are they any good ?
 
David
 
I am a danish woman = !!!!!!!!!
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C16D1A.8EE16D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 09:58:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23633; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:43:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:43:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <115.79e37d6.2923dc57@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:40:23 EST Subject: Re: filters and electric guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <52A0NB.A.AtF.0Jo87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk writes: >The one i want is a waldorf x-pole but they no longer make them. i like the waldorf, though tweaking it requires 'paging' or midi; i also like the electrix filter factory, which is easily real-time tweakable; some folks seem to enjoy the line 6 filter modeller-thingy. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 10:11:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26409; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:04:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:04:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c16d1e$a37cdc00$1369aacf@pavilion> From: "Phil and Mary Bush" To: Subject: rocktron midimate w/EDP Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:11:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C16CEC.580838A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C16CEC.580838A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am having trouble getting my midimate to talk to my EDP can someone = enlighten me a bit. The terminology in both manuals confuse this = caveman! Do I edit midi channels,controller assignments or program = patches to the specs in the EDP manual? Thank you--Philb. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C16CEC.580838A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am having trouble getting my midimate = to talk to=20 my EDP can someone enlighten me a bit. The terminology in both manuals = confuse=20 this caveman! Do I edit midi channels,controller assignments or program = patches=20 to the specs in the EDP manual?

Thank = you--Philb.
------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C16CEC.580838A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 10:17:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26568; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c16d1d$0f0a58a0$265430d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <115.79e37d6.2923dc57@aol.com> Subject: Re: filters and electric guitar Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:00:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <44D-0D.A.9cG.8fo87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm yeah, but i want patches !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: filters and electric guitar > onelessthannone@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > >The one i want is a waldorf x-pole but they no longer make them. > i like the waldorf, though tweaking it requires 'paging' or midi; > i also like the electrix filter factory, which is easily real-time tweakable; > some folks seem to enjoy the line 6 filter modeller-thingy. > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 11:22:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00598; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:12:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:12:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: rocktron midimate w/EDP Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:10:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006201c16d1e$a37cdc00$1369aacf@pavilion> Resent-Message-ID: <-7tzf.A.IH.Cep87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Using a foot pedal with the Echoplex Digital Pro requires that you choose between type of controller message that the EDP sends. I'm using note info because sometimes I also use a MIDI guitar synth to control the EDP, but most people probably would use Continuous control messages. Make reference to the Control Source section of the manual. Make sure that the channel sent is the same as the one the EDP wants to see. Now set the values at the control source button--the source number. This sets the CC for record (let's call it X). The next few values will be for o'dub, multiply etc, and will be sequential (X+1, X+2, etc). Next place to set values is the Loop Trigger button--this will set your CC for Loop playback. See the LoopTrig section of the manual for this stuff. I don't own the MidiMate so I'm hoping that it can do what you want. Good luck! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Phil and Mary Bush [mailto:pmbush@metronet.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: rocktron midimate w/EDP I am having trouble getting my midimate to talk to my EDP can someone enlighten me a bit. The terminology in both manuals confuse this caveman! Do I edit midi channels,controller assignments or program patches to the specs in the EDP manual? Thank you--Philb. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 11:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00328; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:09:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:09:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:09:33 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: filters and electric guitar To: one less than none , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BF2973D.717DB250@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6oZfGHKAC/EB69ha5yfK0Q)" X-Accept-Language: en References: <000c01c16cd0$1868c000$0bd030d5@snowmonster> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary_(ID_6oZfGHKAC/EB69ha5yfK0Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you want total wierdness you should try the frostwave resonator. It's an MS-20 filter section in a pedal - inexpensive but capable of extremes. I believe Aphex Twin uses the MS-20. Check out my review: http://www.crosswinds.net/~zzero/egw/equipment/frostwave.htm one less than none wrote: > HI im my search for more wierdness and the desire for my guitar to > sounds like the aphex twin i am looking at filter units. The one i > want is a waldorf x-pole but they no longer make them. I am also > looking at the MAM warp nine. i was wondering if anyone had any > experiance with these units --Boundary_(ID_6oZfGHKAC/EB69ha5yfK0Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you want total wierdness you should try the frostwave resonator.
It's an MS-20 filter section in a pedal - inexpensive but capable of extremes.
I believe Aphex Twin uses the MS-20.
Check out my review:
 http://www.crosswinds.net/~zzero/egw/equipment/frostwave.htm

one less than none wrote:

HI im my search for more wierdness and the desire for my guitar to sounds like the aphex twin i am looking at filter units. The one i want is a waldorf x-pole but they no longer make them. I am also looking at the MAM warp nine. i was wondering if anyone had any experiance with these units


  --Boundary_(ID_6oZfGHKAC/EB69ha5yfK0Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 11:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02042; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:29:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:29:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF28D11.92D05C13@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:26:09 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP development wish... Undo from the "bottom"/EDP Repairs References: <200111140928.EAA29782@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by r2d2.ernieball.com id fAEFPbx23810 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA01845 Resent-Message-ID: <5pGR9D.A.Ed.jtp87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Chris- I'm glad you mention this. I've been really wanting this feature too, although I imagine it's probably too late to squeeze into the upcoming revision of Loop. Matthias and/or Kim - is this a possibility for future revisions? I like the idea of reassigning Mute to accomplish it. As far as Gibson repairs goes, I've had both good luck and bad. The first time I sent my EDP in, it took 6 months to get it back (and it still wasn't completely fixed). The second time, it was back within two weeks. It might have just been a fluke, but for faster service I recommend sending Shane a T-shirt with your Plex. -Hans > Subject: EDP development wish... Undo from the "bottom" > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:00:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Ken Cumali > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > To any EDP developers, in case you still surf this list: What I wish for > most would be an undo parameter setting that allows me to undo from the > “bottom” (first material recorded) as well as the “top”. (That is to say, > subtracting the first layer of sounds without altering the volume of the > layers above it.) Understanding a little about the way the EDP uses memory > for undo currently; I think I have a foggy idea of how you could make it do > this, if you want clarification. User interface-wise, I'd love to see the > option to access this function two ways: A) by holding down another button > at the same, or B) re-assigning the mute button. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 11:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03870; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:47:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:47:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:45:21 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX Loop? From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/13/01 5:26 PM, Gary Lehmann at healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net wrote: > Howdy Loop Cowboys-- > I can't decide which way to go with my next looper purchase--maybe another > EDP? Is anyone using the Echoplex Digital Pro in the effects loop of the > Repeater? Is this a good way to go for a second looper? > Also, any satisfied D-Two/EDP users? > I eagerly await the EDP upgrade . . . > Gary > PS Broke out the Ztar--Interesting controller for looping--nice for ambient > stuff. > I find the Repeater (now with OS 1.1, fixing the synch bugs that plagued the initial release) to be a great looper, and the effects loop function IS AMAZING! Simple, but so powerful. The ability to place the effects before or after the loop is great. As I'm playing with the effects set to after loop, my signal is dry until it's first time around. I really dig dialing up some random patch in my Lexicon Vortex and being surprised at what happens. Fun. If I want to save what I'm doing, there is a resample that saves the effect to the loop, or you can have the effects at the imput, and effect what you're playing. Fun fun fun. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 12:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07874; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:25:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:25:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:22:41 -0800 Subject: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To anyone who'd care to share their opinions... What is your ideal combination (or single piece) of currently available software that would run reasonably well on a recent Powerbook (G4 or Pismo G3) and constitute a satisfying live FX situation capable of looping and layered multi-effects? -- "If you know the words that the world is made of you can make of it whatever you wish." - Terence McKenna http://www.soundsliketree.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 12:52:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09442; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:43:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <28.1da8b451.29240664@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:39:48 EST Subject: Re: Before the Fall @ ARTRAGES 11.17.01 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <6aUQ3C.A.EQC.cyq87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 13:10:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12175; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:01:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:01:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:57:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200111141757.MAA19934@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What is your ideal combination (or single piece) of currently available > software that would run reasonably well on a recent Powerbook (G4 or Pismo > G3) and constitute a satisfying live FX situation capable of looping and > layered multi-effects? Max/MSP is "clearly" the way to go. -- works on g3 or g4. -- mature product -- allows VST plugins (I am pretty sure -- see pluggo!) -- several decent loopers already or build your own. http://cycling74.com DISCLAIMER: I was a heavy Max user "back in the day" but haven't used it in years, and have never used MSP. However, people have nothing but good to say about it. /t -- The new moon is shining, The harmonious hand is now holding Lord Krishna's ring, the eagle's wing, The voice of mother, everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 13:41:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14720; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: --Tim Nelson and crew at Sydneys-- Message-Id: <141101318.37645@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:27:31 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >When: Tuesday evening, November 13th >Where: Sydney's, 337 Essex St., Lawrence, Massachussetts >What: A noisy, loop-heavy multimedia thing > *Butch, which this time will be: > Butch Heilshorn: vocals (mutated and otherwise), circuit-bent stuff > Dustin Ruoff: Samples, loops, film projector, et cet'ra > Tim Nelson: Clandestine guitar, theremin, loops, devices. And indeed a good time was had by all at Sydney's last evening! Tim Nelson and crew put on a fun set, with great visuals (old NASA training footage?) and lots of sonic exploration. I have no idea what Butch was singing about, but Tim was stirring up some some pretty courageous loopiness, using everything from deeply pitch-shifted flute to Theremin, electric guitar, samplage, etc. Lots of tasty treatments, Tim! Thanks, also, for the tour of your rig! And somewhere there's a photo of multiple (OK....two) LD t-shirts standing side by side to be forwarded on as a postcard from New England loopers. Unfortunately i had to duck out before much of the Pine Tree State Mind Control set at the end of the evening. What was that like? -peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 13:42:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14867; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:29:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re:NYC loopfest Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Do we really need an audience? Why not just get together with >>eachother and play. >>With perhaps a small audience to inspire us. > >hmm, I kinda agree with this. but we need a space... (WITH ELECTRICITY!) >I'm looking into it, but any suggestions MOST appreciated! > > --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 14:00:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16536; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:55:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:55:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Hi There! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Eric Ewing" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:52:10 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NSMail1/NetScout(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/14/2001 01:52:41 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings from Pine Tree State Mind Control. Thank you to the folks on this list who told me about Looper's Delight at the show in Lawrence MA USA last night. This list looks like a great resource, and I've enjoyed reading the archives. There's some excellent information here, and I appreciate your efforts to share it. I will move into lurk mode now in order to better understand the dynamics of the list. Thank you, Eric http://www.ptsmc.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 15:34:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25602; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:29:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:29:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011114202704.21622.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I find the Repeater (now with OS 1.1, fixing the >synch bugs that plagued the >initial release) to be a great looper, and the >effects loop function IS >AMAZING! Simple, but so powerful. The ability to >place the effects before >or after the loop is great. As I'm playing with the >effects set to after >loop, my signal is dry until it's first time around. >I really dig dialing >up some random patch in my Lexicon Vortex and being >surprised at what >happens. Mark, hadn't you previously reported difficulty with using the Vortex in the Repeater's FX loop? I seem to recall that you had trouble with the levels of the FX loop being too high for the Vortex to accomodate. If you've found a fix, please share - I'm expecting my Repeater to be delivered tomorrow, and I'm anxious to patch the Vortex in and see what happens. Thanks, Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 16:22:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29878; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:12:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:12:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011114160750.007ff580@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:07:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: --Tim Nelson and crew at Sydneys-- In-Reply-To: <141101318.37645@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8PpXT.A.ERH.r3t87@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:27 AM 11/14/01 -0800, you wrote: >And indeed a good time was had by all at >Sydney's last evening! Indeed! >I have no idea what Butch was singing about, Nor do I! He comes up with much of his stuff through stream of consciousness, and then he often applies William S. Burroughs/Bryon Gysin cutup techniques to his words. On his CDs the lyrics are a pretty good read, but with the eccentricities of phrasing and all that processing it usually sounds like he's singing in Martian. And a lot of it last night was a sort of scat-singing where he was imitating the phrases I was playing. Besides a couple of hours run-through on Saturday, last night was the only time I've ever played with those guys. >but Tim was stirring up some some pretty >courageous loopiness, using everything from >deeply pitch-shifted flute to Theremin, >electric guitar, samplage, etc. Lots of >tasty treatments, Tim! Thanks, also, for the >tour of your rig! You're welcome, and I'm glad you enjoyed it! > >And somewhere there's a photo of multiple >(OK....two) LD t-shirts standing side by >side to be forwarded on as a postcard from >New England loopers. I haven't seen the photos yet, but I'll scan 'em tomorrow and forward the t-shirt shot to Jason. I'm looking forward to seeing other shots of the shirts roll in from far-flung places! > >Unfortunately i had to duck out before much >of the Pine Tree State Mind Control set at >the end of the evening. What was that like? It was pretty wild! What was in that 'fog juice', anyway? Some pretty nasty shaving nicks, too, which I won't attempt to describe. (Eric's on the list now; see, having the URL on the t-shirts DOES come in handy!) -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 14 16:55:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00393; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <26723062.1005774577095.JavaMail.imail@doodle.excite.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:49:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP development wish... Undo from the "bottom"/EDP Repairs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.123.113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA32739 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again. > the upcoming revision of Loop. What's the story with this? Where might I find more information on it? (I just jumped back on the list as of those messages the other night and haven't seen anything on the web pages...) > first time I sent my EDP in What was wrong with it, out of curiosity? > I recommend sending Shane a T-shirt with your Plex. Doh! Should have thought of that! :) Thanks. On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:26:09 -0800, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Hi Chris- > > I'm glad you mention this. I've been really wanting this feature too, > although I imagine it's probably too late to squeeze into the upcoming > revision of Loop. Matthias and/or Kim - is this a possibility for > future revisions? I like the idea of reassigning Mute to accomplish it. > > As far as Gibson repairs goes, I've had both good luck and bad. The > first time I sent my EDP in, it took 6 months to get it back (and it > still wasn't completely fixed). The second time, it was back within two > weeks. It might have just been a fluke, but for faster service I > recommend sending Shane a T-shirt with your Plex. > > -Hans > > > > Subject: EDP development wish... Undo from the "bottom" > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:00:14 -0800 (PST) > > From: Ken Cumali > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > To any EDP developers, in case you still surf this list: What I wish for > > most would be an undo parameter setting that allows me to undo from the > > “bottom” (first material recorded) as well as the “top”. (That is to say, > > subtracting the first layer of sounds without altering the volume of the > > layers above it.) Understanding a little about the way the EDP uses memory > > for undo currently; I think I have a foggy idea of how you could make it do > > this, if you want clarification. User interface-wise, I'd love to see the > > option to access this function two ways: A) by holding down another button > > at the same, or B) re-assigning the mute button. > _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 03:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11114; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:55:43 -0800 Subject: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5DEAA490-D684-11D5-A959-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or was there?? i didnt hear any but i could be wrong and i'll eat a bug. decent show and w/ all that hardware/software on stage i guess i was really hoping to hear stuff from netherworlds,but alas it didnt happen for me :-( i was wearin my shirt but didnt see any clones and i know you were there... personal note: been watchin/hearin since the 70s-he has always been my hero-(1st looper guy for me anyway) he had his twang bar(stickin out the back!) inverted 180 degrees from normal(over the strings) and for me it became an affectation instead of an organic part of his guitaring,but hey thats me. always hopin' stanner From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 04:14:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15703; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c16db4$d1cedae0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:06:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com reaktor (version 3) from native instruments you can build pretty much any looper you fancy in it (this is exactly the way I intend to go when I buy my TiBook - when they get some more stock of CDRW drives, anyway) cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "e o" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? > To anyone who'd care to share their opinions... > > What is your ideal combination (or single piece) of currently available > software that would run reasonably well on a recent Powerbook (G4 or Pismo > G3) and constitute a satisfying live FX situation capable of looping and > layered multi-effects? > > -- > "If you know the words that the world is made of you can make of it whatever > you wish." - Terence McKenna > http://www.soundsliketree.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 09:22:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02563; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:18:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:18:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:15:49 -0500 Subject: Loop-heavy show in NYC From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow-Loopers, Sorry this is so damn late notice, but I've been puttin' this show up for the last couple of weeks... All the details are on my website, but for now, if you haven't heard of Phil Kline yet, he's the ultimate looping composer these days. He can well stand alongside of reich with his innovation and music. He's the boombox guy, and here is his website... I've been trying to turn him on to the list for a while now... So now I turn you all on to him... http://www.mindspring.com/~boombox Anyway, I'm doing four of 24 planned Looping Etudes which he is writing for me, plus 3 of my own looping tunes, plus music of Evan Ziporyn and looping by vocalist Theo Bleckmann. Should be fun, if you attend, please come and say hi... Details at http://www.toddreynolds.com Under 'Still Life with Mic'... Here is a quote... "Downtown violinist, improviser and composer Todd Reynolds presents Still Life With Mic (microphone), an ongoing exploration of the nature of contemporary performance; navigating between electrifying performances of recent new music works, structured improvisations, and spontaneous experiments in music, text and movement. The format owes as much debt to TV news magazines and web browsing as it does to a typical new music concert. The format evolves out of Reynolds search for a home for his own music and the music that inspires him, and out of his experience in and leaning toward interdisciplinary performance." Thanks for reading... AND I LOVE MY T-SHIRT!!!!!! thanks you guys... Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 09:30:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02695; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d001c16ddf$71475780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <2193911.1005630684325.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> Subject: Kyma onTour Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:11:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got this posting and thought the LD list might be interested in it (think of it as a gig announcement): ---------------------- Symbolic Sound Corporation will be unveiling some new synthesis algorithms and presenting a 2-hour demo of the Kyma sound-design workstation in 10 cities from November 26 through December 6, 2001. For full details, please visit http://www.symbolicsound.com/press-DemoTour01.html ---------------------- Since you can't find a Kyma in any music store, this is a good opportunity to hear one. Especially as Carla Scaletti (president of Symbolic Sound) is quite a musician. From their website: "In a former life, i.e. during the 70's, she worked as a symphony harpist and wrote music for acoustic instruments...but that was before she first stumbled across an ARP2600..." BTW: The ten cities are: Mon 11/26 St. Louis MO Tue 11/27 Nashville TN Wed 11/28 Atlanta GA Thu 11/29 Raleigh/Durham NC Fri 11/30 Washington DC Sat 12/01 New York NY Mon 12/03 Pittsburgh PA Tue 12/04 Cleveland OH Wed 12/05 Detroit MI Thu 12/06 Chicago IL Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 10:00:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05133; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c16de5$f9d7eaa0$08ea1e3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <000c01c16cd0$1868c000$0bd030d5@snowmonster> <3BF2973D.717DB250@optonline.net> Subject: Re: filters and electric guitar Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:58:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C16DE5.F85F0640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C16DE5.F85F0640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah i was looking the frostwave as well, aphex twin does use the ms-20 = and page hamilton uses the frostwav anyone got any samples of filtered guitar ????? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Waltzer=20 To: one less than none ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: Re: filters and electric guitar If you want total wierdness you should try the frostwave resonator.=20 It's an MS-20 filter section in a pedal - inexpensive but capable of = extremes.=20 I believe Aphex Twin uses the MS-20.=20 Check out my review:=20 http://www.crosswinds.net/~zzero/egw/equipment/frostwave.htm=20 one less than none wrote:=20 HI im my search for more wierdness and the desire for my guitar to = sounds like the aphex twin i am looking at filter units. The one i want = is a waldorf x-pole but they no longer make them. I am also looking at = the MAM warp nine. i was wondering if anyone had any experiance with = these units =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C16DE5.F85F0640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Subject: Re: filters and = electric=20 guitar

If you want total wierdness you should try the = frostwave=20 resonator.
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HI im my search for more = wierdness and the=20 desire for my guitar to sounds like the aphex twin i am looking at = filter=20 units. The one i want is a waldorf x-pole but they no longer make = them. I am=20 also looking at the MAM warp nine. i was wondering if anyone had any = experiance with these units


 

------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C16DE5.F85F0640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 10:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05381; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF3E645.E0B13DE4@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:59:01 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX loop? References: <20011114202704.21622.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No problems with my Vortex in the Repeater effect loop! -jas Albuquerque Scott Martin wrote: > Mark, hadn't you previously reported difficulty with > using the Vortex in the Repeater's FX loop? I seem to > recall that you had trouble with the levels of the FX > loop being too high for the Vortex to accomodate. If > you've found a fix, please share - I'm expecting my > Repeater to be delivered tomorrow, and I'm anxious to > patch the Vortex in and see what happens. > > Thanks, > Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 11:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12754; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:32:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:32:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: RE: Loop-heavy show in NYC Message-Id: <151101319.30582@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:29:43 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: todd reynolds >if you haven't heard of Phil Kline yet, he's the ultimate looping composer >these days. He can well stand alongside of reich with his innovation and >music. He's the boombox guy, and here is his website... I've been trying >to turn him on to the list for a while now... So now I turn you all on to >him... > >http://www.mindspring.com/~boombox I enjoyed his piece at Ought-One this past August a great deal. It was for 30 boomboxes and 3 video screens. (That *was* him, right?) Pretty intense stuff. -peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 12:05:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15104; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:55:17 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX loop? From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BF3E645.E0B13DE4@cabq.gov> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/15/01 7:59 AM, Jason Fink at jfink@cabq.gov wrote: > > No problems with my Vortex in the Repeater effect loop! > -jas > Albuquerque > > Scott Martin wrote: > >> Mark, hadn't you previously reported difficulty with >> using the Vortex in the Repeater's FX loop? I seem to >> recall that you had trouble with the levels of the FX >> loop being too high for the Vortex to accomodate. If >> you've found a fix, please share - I'm expecting my >> Repeater to be delivered tomorrow, and I'm anxious to >> patch the Vortex in and see what happens. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott > I probably should have posted this, but with furthur experimentation, I was able to get the levels correct but with the Vortex input level VERY low. I still have to be pretty careful. I've been wondering how using a cable with a built in resistor might work in my situation. Electrix recommends this on their site, but I haven't had the time to make such a thing. I wonder, is there a commercial adaptor made to bring line level down to instrument level? Is there a sound quality issue? Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 12:08:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14826; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:55:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:55:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:52:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c16db4$d1cedae0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the replies. It is so far as I had anticipated: Reaktor and MAX/MSP Not being familiar with either, and not wanting to open a can of worms here (really!), could anyone state simply what the salient differences are of these two applications vis-a-vis my intended use of them? thanks a bunch! eo -- "If you know the words that the world is made of you can make of it whatever you wish." - Terence McKenna http://www.soundsliketree.com >> To anyone who'd care to share their opinions... >> >> What is your ideal combination (or single piece) of currently available >> software that would run reasonably well on a recent Powerbook (G4 or Pismo >> G3) and constitute a satisfying live FX situation capable of looping and >> layered multi-effects? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 12:49:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19543; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:40:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:40:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c16dfc$3b9fd040$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:37:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the price being the same, I'd guess it would come down to MAX being more powerful/flexible but reaktor having a nicer GUI - but I'm only guessing as I've never used MAX. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "e o" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? > Thanks for the replies. > It is so far as I had anticipated: > Reaktor and MAX/MSP > > Not being familiar with either, and not wanting to open a can of worms here > (really!), could anyone state simply what the salient differences are of > these two applications vis-a-vis my intended use of them? > > thanks a bunch! > eo > > > -- > "If you know the words that the world is made of you can make of it whatever > you wish." - Terence McKenna > http://www.soundsliketree.com > > > > >> To anyone who'd care to share their opinions... > >> > >> What is your ideal combination (or single piece) of currently available > >> software that would run reasonably well on a recent Powerbook (G4 or Pismo > >> G3) and constitute a satisfying live FX situation capable of looping and > >> layered multi-effects? > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 12:51:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19799; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:45:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:39:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX loop? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I wonder, is >there a commercial adaptor made to bring line level down to instrument >level? Is there a sound quality issue? > >Mark Sottilaro ebtech line level shifter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 13:05:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22037; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:00:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:00:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00742F6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: EDP in Repeater FX loop? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:56:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C16DFE.DEB4B4B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16DFE.DEB4B4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" how does it sound? is there tonal degradation? -----Original Message----- From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX loop? >I wonder, is >there a commercial adaptor made to bring line level down to instrument >level? Is there a sound quality issue? > >Mark Sottilaro ebtech line level shifter. Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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how does it sound? is there tonal degradation?

-----Original Message-----
From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:39 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>I wonder, is
>there a commercial adaptor made to bring line level down to instrument
>level?  Is there a sound quality issue?
>
>Mark Sottilaro


ebtech line level shifter.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16DFE.DEB4B4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 13:34:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23965; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:27:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I work live almost exclusively with a TiBook and Reaktor 3. I'm not 100% confident with the stability of version 3 (2.3 seemed more solid), but no major glitches in front of an audience yet. Native is supposed to have a Mac patch available soon to correct a couple of problems. Personally, I chose Reaktor over Max/MSP because of its friendly interface...speaking from the point of view of someone who doesn't do any programming. Now that I've got my feet wet in Reaktor, I probably would have a tougher time deciding which program to go for, if I was to do it all over again. In the end, I really think you'll be happy with either choice. The larger issue is the audio interface...I went with the MOTU 828 and love it. The sound quality is astounding. Another more portable option is the Digigram VXPocket...a favorite of many live Powerbook artists. Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > ---------- > From: e o > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:52 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac > ? > > Thanks for the replies. > It is so far as I had anticipated: > Reaktor and MAX/MSP > > Not being familiar with either, and not wanting to open a can of worms > here > (really!), could anyone state simply what the salient differences are of > these two applications vis-a-vis my intended use of them? > > thanks a bunch! > eo > > > -- > "If you know the words that the world is made of you can make of it > whatever > you wish." - Terence McKenna > http://www.soundsliketree.com > > > > >> To anyone who'd care to share their opinions... > >> > >> What is your ideal combination (or single piece) of currently available > >> software that would run reasonably well on a recent Powerbook (G4 or > Pismo > >> G3) and constitute a satisfying live FX situation capable of looping > and > >> layered multi-effects? > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 13:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24348; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:37:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:37:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00742F6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D00742F6@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:31:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: EDP in Repeater FX loop? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1206273407==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1206273407==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" don't know, actually. i've been eyeballing the little $70, two channel one for a long time now, thinking of using it with my DL4 as an aux send in my mixer, since the DL4 clips very easily. anybody using one here? now that that damn echo pro is coming out, how can i resist spending 450 rather than 70? hmmmm..... best, rich >how does it sound? is there tonal degradation? > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com] >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:39 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX loop? > > > >I wonder, is >>there a commercial adaptor made to bring line level down to instrument >>level? Is there a sound quality issue? >> >>Mark Sottilaro > > >ebtech line level shifter. --============_-1206273407==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: EDP in Repeater FX loop?
don't know, actually.  i've been eyeballing the little $70, two channel one for a long time now, thinking of using it with my DL4 as an aux send in my mixer, since the DL4 clips very easily.

anybody using one here?

now that that damn echo pro is coming out, how can i resist spending 450 rather than 70?  hmmmm.....

best,

rich



how does it sound? is there tonal degradation?
-----Original Message-----
From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvisionsca.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:39 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX loop?

>I wonder, is
>there a commercial adaptor made to bring line level down to instrument
>level?  Is there a sound quality issue?
>
>Mark Sottilaro

ebtech line level shifter.
--============_-1206273407==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 13:40:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24067; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:32:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:32:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:30:53 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Survey: Ideal looping/live FX software situation for Mac ? In-reply-to: <001c01c16dfc$3b9fd040$51cec22b@cambmaya04> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001c01c16dfc$3b9fd040$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:37 PM +0000 11/15/01, Os wrote: >the price being the same, I'd guess it would come down to MAX being more >powerful/flexible but reaktor having a nicer GUI - but I'm only guessing as >I've never used MAX. I've just Max but not Reaktor, and my impression is similar. That's not to say that you can't build a nice GUI in Max - I've certainly seen some. Reaktor will probably be a much quicker program to learn, and it's optimized more as a synthesizer and effects processor construction kit. Max/MSP provides the basic DSP objects you'll need but will require more work, but at the same time it offers a very deep and flexible capability for building control structures. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 16:41:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04017; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:28:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:25:31 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Kyma onTour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <025001c16e1c$0e3357b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2193911.1005630684325.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> <01d001c16ddf$71475780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <01Kos.A.g9.iLD97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com are they going to show off your looper tools? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Kyma onTour > I got this posting and thought the LD list might be interested in it (think > of it as a gig announcement): > > ---------------------- > Symbolic Sound Corporation will be unveiling some new synthesis algorithms > and presenting a 2-hour demo of the Kyma sound-design workstation in 10 > cities from November 26 through December 6, 2001. For full details, please > visit http://www.symbolicsound.com/press-DemoTour01.html > ---------------------- > > Since you can't find a Kyma in any music store, this is a good opportunity > to hear one. Especially as Carla Scaletti (president of Symbolic Sound) is > quite a musician. From their website: "In a former life, i.e. during the > 70's, she worked as a symphony harpist and wrote music for acoustic > instruments...but that was before she first stumbled across an ARP2600..." > > BTW: The ten cities are: > Mon 11/26 St. Louis MO > Tue 11/27 Nashville TN > Wed 11/28 Atlanta GA > Thu 11/29 Raleigh/Durham NC > Fri 11/30 Washington DC > Sat 12/01 New York NY > Mon 12/03 Pittsburgh PA > Tue 12/04 Cleveland OH > Wed 12/05 Detroit MI > Thu 12/06 Chicago IL > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 17:35:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07105; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:10:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:01:25 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > or was there?? i didnt hear any but i could be wrong > and i'll eat a bug. I don't think there was any overt looping but Fripp did do a number of sound-scape things in various places so I would imagine that his rack of TC's and Eventide's (nearly wet my pants at the sight of it!) had a delay patch or two going. :-) > decent show and w/ all that hardware/software > on stage i guess i was really hoping to hear stuff from > netherworlds,but alas it didnt happen for me :-( I don't know where the netherworlds are in your atlas but for me that show was OUT THERE! Although too loud for my sensitive ears (which are still ringing in spite of wearing ear plugs) KC was nothing short of GREAT. Trey Gunn's Warr Guitar lead on Deception of the Thrush nearly brought tears to my eyes. > i was wearin my shirt but didnt see any clones and i > know you were there... I had mine on but did not see anyone else. (I was standing, down on the floor.) After the show I leaned over the stage to get a good look at Fripp's rack and the Staff guy started to shoo me away. He then noticed my LD t-shirt and said he saw two others who had told him they were all going to meet at the Hiatt (?). Sorry, I did not go looking for you guys, I had to go home for rest, recuperation, and contemplation on how in the world I'm going to acquire an Eventide Orvile! :-) > twang bar(stickin out the back!) inverted 180 degrees from normal > (over the strings) and for me it became an affectation... What is a "Twang Bar"? I noticed the thing - looked like a tunning fork - but don't know what it's used for. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 17:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08263; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c16e24$49018940$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:24:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Hoeltje > > twang bar(stickin out the back!) inverted 180 degrees from normal > > (over the strings) and for me it became an affectation... > > What is a "Twang Bar"? I noticed the thing - looked like a tunning fork - > but don't know what it's used for. The wammy bar on a guitar. It changes the pitch of all the strings. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 19:51:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17528; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:30:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:30:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:24:16 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009e01c16e24$49018940$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, no, no, I know what a whammy bar is and where it fits on a guitar! :-< This thing looked like a tuning fork (two prongs) and it was attached to the head stock and I did not see Adrian tweak it in any way during the concert. Maybe it is a wireless antenna? Stanner: is your "twang bar" a reference to the whammy bar or this thing I am describing? -Allan on 11/15/01 2:24 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Allan Hoeltje > >>> twang bar(stickin out the back!) inverted 180 degrees from normal >>> (over the strings) and for me it became an affectation... >> >> What is a "Twang Bar"? I noticed the thing - looked like a tunning fork - >> but don't know what it's used for. > > The wammy bar on a guitar. It changes the pitch of all the strings. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 20:00:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17892; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:37:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:37:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:27:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 00:27:31.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AC027A0:01C16E35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't know where the netherworlds are in your atlas but for me that show >was OUT THERE! Although too loud for my sensitive ears (which are still >ringing in spite of wearing ear plugs) KC was nothing short of GREAT. I was on the floor right in front NOT wearing earplugs (my last time, I've vowed to abolish going without protection in future...). To me the sound was woolly, murky, everything muddled up in a bassy mess. No space for nuance. I think it must have been my location in the Warfield because the band's facial expressions and obvious joy of playing did suggest they had a far better thing going than I was able to perceive aurally. Trey >Gunn's Warr Guitar lead on Deception of the Thrush nearly brought tears to >my eyes. I had a very similar experience the previous show in the area, opening for Tool in Berkeley, CA. A deeply moving solo. I did look for people with LD T-shirts to boldly introduce myself to, but saw none. I think you must all have had the more expensive tickets:-) Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 15 21:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24857; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Omadawn@aol.com Message-ID: <23.1478edfb.2925d065@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:13:57 EST Subject: Anyone checked out 'Live' online demo yet? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Omadawn@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA24532 Resent-Message-ID: <2blIm.A.j_F.faH97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In concept, this looks quite interesting at first glance. Anyone checked out the on-site demo at www.ableton.com yet? >From the site; Live is an audio sequencer that you can play like an instrument. On its own or with other musicians or DJs, live on stage, or when remixing in the studio all you need is Live and a Mac or PC. Live allows you to bring together audio material from various sources. All the samples used are adjusted to the tempo of the song in real time and without changing the pitch. Even long pieces with tempo variations play in perfect sync. Samples can be played back and new ones can be recorded using the mouse, computer keyboard or MIDI notes. Drag-and-drop can be used to put together any sequences of effects for sound editing - all this whilst the music continues to play. Everything you do during the session is recorded and can be post-edited in detail, including all the automation of the mixer and effects. With Live, you can: * Play and record disk-based audio live; * Process sounds in unrestrained chains of effects; * Browse and cue the samples on hard disk; * Post-edit your performances in full detail; * Time-warp samples while they are playing; * Easily interface with any professional studio or stage environment. Live lets you compile live sets from any audio clips, e.g. loops, phrases, entire tracks. All the clips play in-sync with each other, irrespective of the original tempo. You can "fire off" clips live, using the mouse, assignable computer keys, or MIDI notes. Real-time quantization can be used to prevent rhythmical error. Any clip can play at any time. You are not constrained to a fixed arrangement. Since audio is played directly from disk, there is space enough even for large live sets. Recording new clips is as easy as playing existing ones: play a MIDI note to start the recording; play the note again to jump to playback mode without any interruption. This way, you can capture loops or phrases from external sources and directly work them into your performance, without stopping the music. Thanks to the real-time quantization, you will always get perfectly cut loops. Live can also use it's own Master output as a signal source for recording, allowing you to resample your session while it's going on. Every track, each of four send-channels and the master, can have a chain of effects. Any number of effects can be pasted in and moved around using drag-and-drop, while the music is playing. Live comes with a special range of high-impact effects, suitable for subtle and drastic manipulations. Live's effects are controlled by intuitive 2-D displays, which are ideal for live articulation. VST plug-ins are also supported. A VST plug-in can have its own editor window, but you can also use an integrated panel with a 2-D display to control the plug-in. Live's mixer and all of its effect parameters can be mapped to arbitrary MIDI controllers, and are fully automate, including every VST plug-in parameter. Samples can be sought in Live's built-in browser, and privately auditioned by headphone, without the public or other musicians hearing them. There are three browsers for samples and Live Sets, one for the Live effects, and one for VST plug-ins. Every action carried out in a session can be recorded. The session's protocol is graphically displayed in Live's Arranger view and can be edited, down to the smallest detail. Every movement of the controls is displayed and edited as an envelope curve. Just click on a control to view and edit its automation. Editing audio is extremely fast. Snap to Grid does away with having to zoom in on wave patterns to find musical counting intervals. Live offers you the ability to improvise arrangements, and to develop improvisations into pieces later on. And should you decide the previous version was better after all, you can undo as many edit steps as you like. Live's Time Warping Engine stretches and shrinks audio clips as they're being read from the hard disk. The pitch remains unaltered and can be adjusted independently. All clips are automatically synchronized to your session tempo or to an external sync-source. The Time Warping Engine is controlled by Warp Markers, which can be positioned freely. A Warp Marker attaches a position in a sample to a particular time in the song. During play-back, the Warping Engine stretches and shrinks audio clips so that each marker is reached at a precise moment, irrespective of the song-tempo or whether Live is being driven by external synchronization. If you only use short loops for your songs, you won't need warp markers. If, however, you want to work a ten-minute piece into a set, then just position a few markers to line up the rhythms. The more tempo irregularities there are in the take, the more markers you'll need. With warp markers, you can get even the sloppiest recordings to jive perfectly. Audio Interfaces: All of Live's tracks can be routed individually to the outputs of an arbitrary ASIO device; the same is true for the inputs. Of course, DirectX (PC) and SoundManager (Mac) are also supported. Software Interfaces: Live supports VST plug-ins and can host any ReWire client application. You can process the ReWire client's audio output with Live's effects and VST plug-ins, and record audio coming from the client application. Synchronization: Live slaves to any MIDI clock or MIDI timecode source. That means, if the drum machine slows down, Live plays its audio files slower too, without altering the pitch or the groove. Macintosh System Requirements: G3 Macintosh or faster. 128 MB RAM or more. CD-ROM drive. Mac OS 8.6 or later. Monitor resolution 800 x 600 pixels (or higher), 256 colours. PC System Requirements: 300 MHz CPU or faster. 64 MB RAM (128 MB recommended). CD-ROM drive. Windows 95/98/NT 4.0/2000 or later. Monitor resolution 800 x 600 pixels (or higher), 256 colours. Windows-compatible soundcard, preferably with DirectX or ASIO driver. A printed copy of the Live Owners Manual is included with the Live package. The Live Installation CD contains top class sample material from Big Fish Audio and E-Lab. Live connects to the Sonomic online sample service. * Download the Live demo version. * Download the Live product sheet in English, French, German, Japanese.* * Download Live screenshots. * Download the introductory chapters of the Live Owners Manual. * Download a free Live Update. Regards, Jeff Kalnitz (looper artist new to this user group)   From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 00:12:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04288; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:52:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:52:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c16e72$50c995c0$23719818@vtr.net> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:42:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3Cyuc.A.y8.6mJ97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com was the device a sustainiac? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 01:38:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10787; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:18:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:18:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:08:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c16e65$232d05f0$0b2f04d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In Trey Gunn's rack, theres an EDP: http://roadcam.krimson-news.com/image/640/rehearsals2k1-02.jpg I noticed it there when I saw them in July, but he didn't use it once. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 03:53:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18249; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:25:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:25:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <54.1e081591.29262566@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:16:38 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #669 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 15/11/01 14:22:51 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > want is a waldorf x-pole but they no longer make them. I am also > > looking at the MAM warp nine. i was wondering if anyone had any > > experiance with these units The Warp9 is the filter from the old Wasp mini-synth, with a lot of control options. Not easy to set up patches, and not all that easy to access them without MIDI. Although you can save 32 patches which are then easy to call with MIDI program change. Quirky sounding, without a great frequency range. Some excellent sounds if you take the time to set them up. (do you like readding manuals) ...but really will make guitar sound like an analog synth Best value filter? Get a Behringer Modulizer. You can sweep the frequency(or anything else) from MIDI. Good sounding ( hard in comparison to the warp9, which is kind of "soft") Good frequency range.(sweep down to nothing) + lots of other FX andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 04:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22577; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:30:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:30:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:20:09 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <97f1zD.A.cYF.0qN97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i didnt see what you are talkin about-so no idea-i was just talking about how one of his solo albums was called "twang bar king" and boy was he-but this show i just didnt get the euphoria i normally do w/ him(what were those amps he was usin?) and maybe the murky sound was apart of that-i was on the main floor,sorta in front of and i agree they seemed to be having a great time on stage. i have experienced this before alot-the onstage sound is quite beautiful and spacious but when it reaches FOH some kind of transformation takes place and sometimes,in the exteme it sounds nothing like whats being performed,alas... s on 11/15/01 4:24 PM, Allan Hoeltje at ahoeltje@best.com wrote: > No, no, no, I know what a whammy bar is and where it fits on a guitar! :-< > This thing looked like a tuning fork (two prongs) and it was attached to the > head stock and I did not see Adrian tweak it in any way during the concert. > Maybe it is a wireless antenna? > > Stanner: is your "twang bar" a reference to the whammy bar or this thing I > am describing? > > -Allan > > on 11/15/01 2:24 PM, David Beardsley at db@biink.com wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Allan Hoeltje >> >>>> twang bar(stickin out the back!) inverted 180 degrees from normal >>>> (over the strings) and for me it became an affectation... >>> >>> What is a "Twang Bar"? I noticed the thing - looked like a tunning fork - >>> but don't know what it's used for. >> >> The wammy bar on a guitar. It changes the pitch of all the strings. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 09:00:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04276; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:35:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:35:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.4079e10.29266e0a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:26:34 EST Subject: Re: Anyone checked out 'Live' online demo yet? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Omadawn@aol.com writes: >In concept, this looks quite interesting at first glance. Anyone checked >out the on-site demo at www.ableton.com yet? yes; so far, after fairly rudimentary diddling, i like it --- haven't purchased it, yet, though. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 09:29:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06214; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:00:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:00:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023f01c16ea4$ee821940$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <2193911.1005630684325.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> <01d001c16ddf$71475780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <025001c16e1c$0e3357b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Kyma onTour Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:45:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > are they going to show off your looper tools? I don't think so, though they have a beta copy. I've been working with them a lot on resolving some pending issues. Once the issues are resolved, I hope to have a release candidate, shortly followed by an actual product release. I've added several new features. The most important are probably: 1) reverse playback controlled by a real-time parameter; 2) variable rate playback at *any* real number rate (again, controlled by a real-time parameter); 3) for recording, cross-fading at loop splice point for truly "bumpless" loops (inspired by Repeater discussion); 4) loop import/export functions which permit exchanging loops with disk files, between DSPs on the Capybara, or between multiple Capybaras. I hope to add variable rate recording (at any real number rate) as well, though that consumes a lot of DSP juice. I think this feature will really be cool for overdubbing. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 10:14:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08510; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:51:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:51:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF5262E.7E6C0F8F@pathcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:43:58 -0500 From: hutton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone checked out 'Live' online demo yet? References: <16c.4079e10.29266e0a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7WHaGC.A.n_B.hWS97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes ... Live gives you a half hour to play at a time. I am using it to create composite trk's and processing. All under the time limit! I am aware of the potential of this program and will purchase. Don't just listen to me ........ See for yourself, It is a good demo to take the time and download. Chris Hutton Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > Omadawn@aol.com writes: > >In concept, this looks quite interesting at first glance. Anyone checked > >out the on-site demo at www.ableton.com yet? > yes; > so far, after fairly rudimentary diddling, i like it --- > haven't purchased it, yet, though. > best, > dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 11:23:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13949; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:53:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:53:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:44:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 15:44:22.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[9002E7D0:01C16EB5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All!, I just ordered a new Repeater from Sixtecycle.com for $525.00 + $8.00 for shipping. I am very excited and can hardly wait to get it. I've lurked the list since purchasing an Echoplex several months ago. I missed several discussions on the smart cards and was wondering which ones work the best in the Repeater and where is the cheapest store to purchase one? I just received shipment of the Alesis Air FX and wow is it cool. I will write a review when I finish evaluating it but it seems like it will be a wonderful addition to my arsenal. I am curious to hear how it will work with the repeater. Thanks from a lurker, Weg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 13:26:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22816; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:54:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:54:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:44:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 17:44:42.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F2959D0:01C16EC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >this show i just didnt get the euphoria i normally do w/ him(what > were >those amps he was usin?) Johnson, not exactly sure which type, this looks very similar: http://www.johnson-amp.com/jm150.htm I read an interview with Ade about a year ago in which he said he absolutely loved their sound. Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:02:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25642; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:26:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:26:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011116191511.00d99a80@mail.groundloops.com> X-Sender: 03groundloopscom@mail.groundloops.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:19:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leocavallo Subject: Re: Anyone checked out 'Live' online demo yet? In-Reply-To: <16c.4079e10.29266e0a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08.26 16/11/01 -0500, you wrote: >Omadawn@aol.com writes: > >In concept, this looks quite interesting at first glance. Anyone checked > >out the on-site demo at www.ableton.com yet? yes. I think Live has the numbers to be one of the next big things on the software market. great sound & user interface, very stable on both my computer systems, lots of real time possibilities and quite light on the CPU. ciao leo www.groundloops.com c o o l . s o u n d s & s a m p l e . c d s f r e e . s a m p l e s . a r c h i v e From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:24:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27457; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:51:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:51:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF55DD1.80E30187@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:41:21 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a list on Electric's website of recommended CFC cards. I purchased a Simpletech 128 card (on the list) and it wouldn't format. Electrix acknowledged the problem, had me send it to them and they exchanged it for a working one. Not sure what was wrong with it, but it was fixed very quickly. Not sure if they're still doing this service. Mark. The Weg wrote: > Hi All!, > I just ordered a new Repeater from Sixtecycle.com for $525.00 + $8.00 > for shipping. I am very excited and can hardly wait to get it. I've lurked > the list since purchasing an Echoplex several months ago. I missed several > discussions on the smart cards and was wondering which ones work the best in > the Repeater and where is the cheapest store to purchase one? I just > received shipment of the Alesis Air FX and wow is it cool. I will write a > review when I finish evaluating it but it seems like it will be a wonderful > addition to my arsenal. I am curious to hear how it will work with the > repeater. > > Thanks from a lurker, > > Weg > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:45:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30012; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:59:29 -0500 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: [loop ny] a plan appears Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "We" are going to play in a medium-sized loftspace, a day on a weekend in December or early January just as a long jam/get-together/meeting. Someone has offered a space, and we'll get to a date and specifics next! I love this idea. It'll be fun! We can lead up to greater, later. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:45:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30763; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:21:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:13:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Loop-heavy show in NYC From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <151101319.30582@webbox.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6vcsxC.A.oZH.QVW97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup. On 11/15/01 11:29 AM, "p koniuto" wrote: > > > >> From: todd reynolds > >> if you haven't heard of Phil Kline yet, he's the ultimate looping > composer >> these days. He can well stand alongside of reich with his innovation > and >> music. He's the boombox guy, and here is his website... I've > been trying >> to turn him on to the list for a while now... So now I turn > you all on to >> him... >> >> http://www.mindspring.com/~boombox > > I enjoyed his piece at Ought-One this past > August a great deal. It was for 30 boomboxes > and 3 video screens. (That *was* him, right?) > > Pretty intense stuff. > > -peter koniuto > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 14:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30626; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:18:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:18:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.154.224.50] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:08:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 19:08:39.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[19D9DBA0:01C16ED2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

While Mr. Fripp’s gear is quite impressive along with his technique I think his looping is pretty uninteresting & has not really developed much in the past 20 yrs. It is amazing what people can do w/ just ONE DDL line with a post processor. Frisell & Torn have certainly proved that….


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:00:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31801; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:38:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:38:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF568F4.444F4CEC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:28:52 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stan Card wrote: > and maybe the murky sound was apart of that-i was on the > main floor,sorta in front of and i agree they seemed to be having a > great time on stage. i have experienced this before alot-the onstage sound > is quite beautiful and spacious but when it reaches FOH some kind of > transformation takes place and sometimes,in the exteme it sounds nothing > like whats being performed,alas... I was up on the first tier of the Warfield and I thought the sound was exceptional. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:39:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02536; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:59:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA02096 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:08 PM -0500 11/16/01, Louis Rossi wrote: >While Mr. Fripp’s gear is quite impressive along with his technique >I think his looping is pretty uninteresting & has not really >developed much in the past 20 yrs. It is amazing what people can do >w/ just ONE DDL line with a post processor. Frisell & Torn have >certainly proved that…. sad, but true. My mind wanders during Fripp's gigs these days, I have to say I've heard it all before. I feel also that he has exhausted many of the really good "chord" choices and is going through less interesting "chords" (there is definitely a "chordal" feel at any instant to his soundscapes.) /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 15:46:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02920; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:18:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BF568F4.444F4CEC@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BF568F4.444F4CEC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:08:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was up on the first tier of the Warfield and I thought the sound was >exceptional. The last Crimson show I saw had the best mix I ever heard. I wandered all around the theatre and stood behind the sound man and you could hear each instrument everywhere and no mush at all. Amazing. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 16:34:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06704; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:07:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:07:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF57D82.686D9A97@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:56:34 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , AH , DH Subject: FS Vintage Analogs: EH and Korg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two items for sale: 1. Original EH Bass Micro Synthesizer pedal - $350 I am selling this for a friend. it is an original 1970s NOS pedal that has been used for recording a bit and is in *EXCELLENT* condition. Original box, manual, flyers, even the original plastic still on the front to protect it from scratching. A complete collector's piece at a player's price. If you've ever wanted an EH Bass Microsynth you will not find a nicer sounding or looking one. This is NOT a reissue and sounds *wonderful*. It has two mods professionally done by a tube amp and guitar technician. They are clean and work 100%. According to my friend one is a knob for input level and the other is a knob for wet/dry mix. These are very useful mods (one reason it was used for recording) and I cannot stress enough that these are not hacked in but are professionally designed and done by someone who knows the unit well. (They also look great IMO) Full pictures of unit, mods, papers, etc at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/eh/ehbass.htm 2. Korg VC10 Vintage Analog Vocoder Part of the classic MS series this is a polyphonic vocoder with internal carrier, keyboard, VU meter, and a few extras such as adjustable Vibrato, Ensemble (similar to a chorus type effect), pitch settings, etc. It sounds *wonderful* in a classic full, warm analog type of way. Of course, you can also patch in an external carrier signal. More info on this model can be found at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~kbrunner/ms/vc-10.htm This unit is in top, top shape cosmetically and functionally. Definitely collector's quality and ultra clean. Everything has been tested and it's 100% working and looking great as well. I bought it from a dealer and it has remained covered in my no smoking home studio ever since. It comes with a copy of the owner's manual and the original gooseneck microphone (very rare) although the mic needs some work as the bottom connector is missing. The unit itself is Guaranteed 100% functional on arrival. Front, back, and side pictures of this baby are up at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/eh/vc10.htm I had a buyer at $750 a few months ago but they jerked me around. Then another feel through. I do NOT want to ebay this (last one I saw there sold for $750) I will sell this for $600 OBO, again on a NO BS sale confirmed via phone. Prices are very reasonable but I will also entertain SERIOUS offers as well. We don't need either of these pieces right now and I'm selling them to clear out some room. All sales are on prepay (or pickup in phila PA which is by far preferred!). References out the wazoo. Ask any questions you want and send your # to speed things up. Buyer pays shipping (I will pack extremely well for free). I can accept Paypal from confirmed buyers if you pick up the fees or we negotiate something. Trades possibly but there's really nothing that I need unfortunately (outside of a Casio PG800 guitar, maybe a Nord modular full version) but I'll entertain offers if you're game and patient. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 16:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06324; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:59:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:59:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200111162051.fAGKpRx02030@chmls20.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:46:43 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re[2]: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: , cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA04831 Resent-Message-ID: <2cWFVD.A.uLB.pwX97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think a joni mitchell approach would help here (not just for fripp, but for any of us). the tuning of the guitar posits a certain default sound (overcomable by technique).. it's my understanding that joni has a differant tuning for almost every song (i suppose to a guitar player, it would make her "sound more technicly skilled" than she might be..but the end result is, imho, great). if one were to believe the roland pr dept, it's for this reason she now uses roland guitar synths. i'm no guitar player, but i use my gf's instrument with delay, ebow, and a lighter (as a slide)...alternative tunings suggest alternative soundscapes. just my 2cents. deknow >> I feel also that he has exhausted many of the really good >> "chord" choices and is going through less interesting "chords" >> (there is definitely a "chordal" feel at any instant to his >> soundscapes.) >> /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 16:49:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07125; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.140.131] From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: re[2]: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:08:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 21:08:10.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC102940:01C16EE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i think a joni mitchell approach would help here (not just for fripp, but >for any of us). the tuning of the guitar posits a certain default sound >(overcomable by technique).. it's my understanding that joni has a >differant tuning for almost every song (i suppose to a guitar player, it >would make her "sound more technicly skilled" than she might be..but the >end result is, imho, great). if one were to believe the roland pr dept, >it's for this reason she now uses roland guitar synths. > It would be interesting to note at this point that since late 70s, early 80s, robert fripp has championed his new standard tuning, or NST, precisely for that reason - offsetting and intentionally disturbing learned mechanical patterns. of course at this stage, one would expect he knows and navigates NST like his back yard nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 17:01:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08026; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:31:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:31:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:23:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i didnt see what you are talkin about-so no idea- And this is Adrian Belew we're talking about. Remember in Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" vid where he plays a guitar with a spatula and barbecue tongs? So this gizmo could be ANYTHING. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 18:51:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18180; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:18:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:18:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.16886570.2926f6c8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:10:00 EST Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <21kPC.A.kWE.mzZ97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com theweg@hotmail.com writes: >I missed several >discussions on the smart cards see official card info at: electrixpro.com best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 18:57:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18475; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:24:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:24:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:16:03 EST Subject: Re: re[2]: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nicroozeboom@hotmail.com writes: >It would be interesting to note at this point that since late 70s, early >80s, robert fripp has championed his new standard tuning, or NST, precisely >for that reason - offsetting and intentionally disturbing learned mechanical >patterns. .....just another system, imho. >of course at this stage, one would expect he knows and navigates NST like >his back yard .....systematically, i suspect --- though my thoughts do certainly not detract from robert's musical brilliance..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 18:58:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18582; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:25:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <67.1cf133f3.2926f87c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:17:16 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5f2_7C.A.2bE.z6Z97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just-john@just-john.com writes: >And this is Adrian Belew we're talking about. Remember in Laurie >Anderson's "Home of the Brave" vid where he plays a guitar with a spatula >and barbecue tongs? that was a guitar designed by laurie a., wasn't it? dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 19:24:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20123; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:54:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:54:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c16f12$86f54540$b3051342@waldo> From: "deknow" To: References: Subject: Re: re[2]: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:49:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmmm, i'll have to look that up...but it seems to me that ANY consistant tuning would have the same influence on the playing (well, differant permiatations of the same influence). deknow ----- Original Message ----- From: Nic Roozeboom To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: Re: re[2]: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... > It would be interesting to note at this point that since late 70s, early > 80s, robert fripp has championed his new standard tuning, or NST, precisely > for that reason - offsetting and intentionally disturbing learned mechanical > patterns. > > of course at this stage, one would expect he knows and navigates NST like > his back yard > > nic > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 19:31:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21717; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:04:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c16efa$f51ecb80$1259e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:01:07 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - No cover charge @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 20th - Planet Of The Loops In the year 2000 - Planet Of The Loops presented a monthly live loop-based series at The Ambient Ping's previous location at Southern Po Boys Club. Now that The Ping is weekly again, The Planet returns for a new bi-monthly residency. Godfather of the Toronto looping scene - guitarist Andrew Aldridge presents a rotating crew of looping musicians and their unique collections of gadgetry and looping devices in this all-improvisational series. November's edition features veteran looper Andrew and in his first live looping performance - guitarist Al White. http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 19:57:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22959; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:28:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:28:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <67.1cf133f3.2926f87c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:20:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Resent-Message-ID: <1vNKC.A.0fF.20a97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >just-john@just-john.com writes: > >>And this is Adrian Belew we're talking about. Remember in Laurie >>Anderson's "Home of the Brave" vid where he plays a guitar with a spatula >>and barbecue tongs? >that was a guitar designed by laurie a., wasn't it? don't know ... I've always assumed there was more guitar in that, including the one with the bendy neck. (Reminded me of in the late 1970s, when a relatively local metal band called Good Rats had guitarists with matching Les Paul Customs* and the lead singer had a foam rubber cutout of the same model. So when they did their "dual solo" ** bit, the singer was there, end of his "guitar" flopping about ...) *One would think that "custom" would sort of counter the "matching" bit, wouldn't one? **That band was just a huge heap of contradictions, now that I think of it. A metal band with deep Gershwin influences? Still one of my faves. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 20:08:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23742; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:44:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:44:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c16f00$00452860$5fb7e83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: References: <200111162134.QAA08574@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #671 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:37:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There is a list on Electric's website of recommended CFC cards. I purchased a > Simpletech 128 card (on the list) and it wouldn't format. Electrix > acknowledged the problem, had me send it to them and they exchanged it for a > working one. Not sure what was wrong with it, but it was fixed very quickly. > Not sure if they're still doing this service. *** Yes they do. I just got my card (Simpletech 128) yesterday, spent two hours trying to make it work (in vain), and then emailed Electrix. They quickly responded and suggested that I mail it to them. Don't buy Simpletech cards, although Electrix explicitly recommends them. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 20:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24066; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF5B2A6.FC0B83F5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:43:19 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote:y I've heard it all before. > > I feel also that he has exhausted many of the really good > "chord" choices and is going through less interesting "chords" > (there is definitely a "chordal" feel at any instant to his > soundscapes.) > > /t Hmmm. I find this interesting. I bet Muddy Waters never gets such commentary. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 20:48:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26997; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:16:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c16f04$67b741a0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: References: Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:08:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C16EDA.7D89E700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C16EDA.7D89E700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While Mr. Fripp's gear is quite impressive along with his technique I = think his looping is pretty uninteresting & has not really developed = much in the past 20 yrs. It is amazing what people can do w/ just ONE = DDL line with a post processor. Frisell & Torn have certainly proved = that.. Sorry you find it uninteresting. You obviously miss the constant = repetition of Frippertronics now replaced with the few repeats of the TC = 2290s combined with the Eventides. I've noticed whenever someone = attempts Soundscapes they're really performing Frippertronics. But, as = they say on "Seinfeld", "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" I = might work back and forth on this myself. Not a looping question, but maybe someone out there can help me: I = just bought a Digitech Whammy to augment my Roland GR-33. I like the = idea of changing/turning on the device on the fly as opposed to = constantly monkeying & editing the Roland, and the harmonization on top = of harmonization can literally be a scream. The problem is, it's a mono = device which cancels out the stereo signal on the Roland (at least = that's how it seems to sound). Is there a "stereo" Whammy or something = similar short of buying a second Whammy? Or am I in lalaland? Just getting my two cents in, = = Peter Badore ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C16EDA.7D89E700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While=20 Mr. Fripp’s gear is quite impressive along with his technique I = think his=20 looping is pretty uninteresting & has not really developed much in = the=20 past 20 yrs. It is amazing what people can do w/ just ONE DDL line = with a post=20 processor. Frisell & Torn have certainly proved = that….

Sorry=20 you find it uninteresting.  You obviously miss the constant = repetition of=20 Frippertronics now replaced with the few repeats of the TC 2290s = combined with=20 the Eventides.  I've noticed whenever someone attempts = Soundscapes=20 they're really performing Frippertronics.  But, as they say on=20 "Seinfeld", "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"  I might = work=20 back and forth on this myself.

Not=20 a looping question, but maybe someone out there can help me:  I = just=20 bought a Digitech Whammy to augment my Roland GR-33.  I like the = idea of=20 changing/turning on the device on the fly as opposed to constantly = monkeying=20 & editing the Roland, and the harmonization on top of = harmonization can=20 literally be a scream.  The problem is, it's a mono device which = cancels=20 out the stereo signal on the Roland (at least that's how it seems to=20 sound).  Is there a "stereo" Whammy or something similar short of = buying=20 a second Whammy?  Or am I in lalaland?

Just=20 getting my two cents in,           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Peter Badore

------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C16EDA.7D89E700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 21:46:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30906; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:14:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF5C608.F9A5E949@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:06:00 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't take what you saw in that movie too seriously. As having worked on The Home of The Brave, I will tell you a secret: They were all props. The concert was totally staged. Audience? Paid extras. Most of the audio had been recorded before a single image went to celuloid. Good movie? You bet, I loved it. Angry that although I worked for free as an intern and got not a mention on fhe credits? Sure was. Hell, getting to bullshit with Adrian Belew on a daily basis sure is sweet, though. Adrian is truely a nice guy, as were most of the musicians. My one regret was that I was young and spent most of the time stymied. On the down side, I hate most of her new album (some loop content, as usual). Couldn't get Bright Red out of my CD player, but half the songs on Life on a String are unlistenable to me. Sigh. That's just me though, as I hated most of Strange Angels, and others here liked it and didn't like Bright Red. I'm going to take the stuff I like from both albums and make one good one called Strange String. BTW, while were're on the King Crimson topic, I LOVE Level Five and also their "techno" album bpm&m. (loop content on both) bpm&m is worth it for the cartoons on the linernotes alone. Behind the CD is an illustration of a VERY "fly" Robert Fripp. You'll have to get it to see what I mean. VERY funny. Mark Sottilaro just john wrote: > >just-john@just-john.com writes: > > > >>And this is Adrian Belew we're talking about. Remember in Laurie > >>Anderson's "Home of the Brave" vid where he plays a guitar with a spatula > >>and barbecue tongs? > >that was a guitar designed by laurie a., wasn't it? > > don't know ... I've always assumed there was more guitar in that, > including the one with the bendy neck. > > (Reminded me of in the late 1970s, when a relatively local metal band > called Good Rats had guitarists with matching Les Paul Customs* and the > lead singer had a foam rubber cutout of the same model. So when they did > their "dual solo" ** bit, the singer was there, end of his "guitar" > flopping about ...) > > *One would think that "custom" would sort of counter the "matching" bit, > wouldn't one? > > **That band was just a huge heap of contradictions, now that I think of it. > A metal band with deep Gershwin influences? Still one of my faves. > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:02:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31795; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:37:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:37:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c16f28$a1340340$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: fwipp Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:42:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C16EEF.F4E6F3A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C16EEF.F4E6F3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i find it silly attacking Robert Fripp, granted there's Lee Rinaldo, Jim = O' Rourke, Vernon Reid, Thurston Moore, Glenn Branca, Bill Frissel, Fred = Frith, Robert Quine, Michael Brooke, Red Snapper, Masami Tsichuya, Page = Hamilton, Buckethead, Adrian Utley, Mogwai, Spiritualised,Radiohead, = Phil Manzanera, Johnny Marr, Kevin Shields, Robin Guthrie or what have = you, but please consider this. Fripp has done it with style and still = does, it's as if he puts on an Armani Suit when it comes to guitar. Though now and then, I miss the Baby's on Fire Scary monsters and Super = Creeps, PG 3 and 4 type of Robert Fripp. I wonder where that chap went. = I hope Nuovo Metal brings something like that back to whet our palettes = (but not quite I do believe in evolution after all). The same holds for Belew, considering he's a song writer and all. Now i = think it's ok for the guitarrists and artists in our group to be a bit = critical in order to discover what gives them an individuality and = become just another KC tribute band. But anything else is as silly as = putting down Marcel Duchamp. Now I got to tell you i'm quite suprised by a certain guitarrist by the = name Tim Young who's touring with David Sylvian on the E & N tour. Let's = see what else comes out of that effort.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C16EEF.F4E6F3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i find it silly attacking Robert Fripp, granted = there's Lee=20 Rinaldo, Jim O' Rourke, Vernon Reid, Thurston Moore, Glenn Branca, Bill = Frissel,=20 Fred Frith, Robert Quine, Michael Brooke, Red Snapper, Masami = Tsichuya,=20 Page Hamilton, Buckethead, Adrian Utley, Mogwai, = Spiritualised,Radiohead, Phil=20 Manzanera, Johnny Marr, Kevin Shields, Robin Guthrie or what have you, = but=20 please consider this. Fripp has done it with style and still does, it's = as=20 if he puts on an Armani Suit when it comes to=20 guitar.
 
Though now and then, I miss the Baby's on Fire = Scary=20 monsters and Super Creeps, PG 3 and 4 type of Robert Fripp. I wonder = where that=20 chap went. I hope Nuovo Metal brings something like that back to whet = our=20 palettes (but not quite I do believe in evolution after = all).
 
The same holds for Belew, considering he's a song = writer and=20 all. Now i think it's ok for the guitarrists and artists in our group to = be a=20 bit critical in order to discover what gives them an individuality and = become=20 just another KC tribute band. But anything else is as silly as putting = down=20 Marcel Duchamp.
 
Now I got to tell you i'm quite suprised by a = certain=20 guitarrist by the name Tim Young who's touring with David Sylvian on the = E &=20 N tour. Let's see what else comes out of that=20 effort. 
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C16EEF.F4E6F3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:33:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01512; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:59:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:49:07 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1B9OHC.A.I8H.eBd97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, just john wrote: > And this is Adrian Belew we're talking about. Remember in Laurie > Anderson's "Home of the Brave" vid where he plays a guitar with a spatula > and barbecue tongs? > > So this gizmo could be ANYTHING. I'm sort of interested to find out what is meant by Belew's credit for "drill guitar" on the recent Tori Amos album. regards, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02278; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:13:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:13:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:05:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, just john wrote: > >> And this is Adrian Belew we're talking about. Remember in Laurie >> Anderson's "Home of the Brave" vid where he plays a guitar with a spatula >> and barbecue tongs? >> >> So this gizmo could be ANYTHING. > >I'm sort of interested to find out what is meant by Belew's credit for >"drill guitar" on the recent Tori Amos album. > Unlikely that this is the root of it, but Belew CAN march. I saw him at a Zappa show, and they did a bit where Adrian played (as in: pretended to be) a robot while Frank remote-controlled him with his (Frank's) guitar. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:46:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02365; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:07:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to www.pricewatch.com I bought my Simple Technologies 128MB card from PCStop.com for about 90 bucks. The card formatted in about 10 or 15 seconds and has performed flawlessly ever since. It's the only brand to get because Electrix guarantees it. Due to current technology, there is a chance that the card you receive might not format. Just send it to Electrix and they will give you a working card. Remember, if it doesn't format immediately, send it to them. Don't make yourself nuts trying to get it to work. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: The Weg [mailto:theweg@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Hi All!, I just ordered a new Repeater from Sixtecycle.com for $525.00 + $8.00 for shipping. I am very excited and can hardly wait to get it. I've lurked the list since purchasing an Echoplex several months ago. I missed several discussions on the smart cards and was wondering which ones work the best in the Repeater and where is the cheapest store to purchase one? I just received shipment of the Alesis Air FX and wow is it cool. I will write a review when I finish evaluating it but it seems like it will be a wonderful addition to my arsenal. I am curious to hear how it will work with the repeater. Thanks from a lurker, Weg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 22:49:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02728; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:20:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:20:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:11:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Don't buy SimpleTech cards?" As I understand it, they are the best cards out there and they are guaranteed by Electrix. What do you recommend instead? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #671 *** Yes they do. I just got my card (Simpletech 128) yesterday, spent two hours trying to make it work (in vain), and then emailed Electrix. They quickly responded and suggested that I mail it to them. Don't buy Simpletech cards, although Electrix explicitly recommends them. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 16 23:31:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04983; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:56:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:56:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:45:34 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200111162134.QAA08579@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3088795534_2520754_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <9N-KD.A.PGB.33d97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3088795534_2520754_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just wanted to let all you EDP owners know that I had my pedal upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC. They seem to have done a great job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily destructible mouser plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could withstand a military campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away without worrying about breaking anything. Cheers! --MS_Mac_OE_3088795534_2520754_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP Pedal Fix Just wanted to let all you EDP owners know that I had my ped= al upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC.  They seem to have done a great = job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily destructible mouser = plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could withstand a mi= litary campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away without worry= ing about breaking anything.  Cheers! --MS_Mac_OE_3088795534_2520754_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 00:24:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09965; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011116235438.015d0100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: nickd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:54:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-Reply-To: References: <009e01c16e24$49018940$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It probably *was* a tuning fork. I once saw Mr. Belew hold a vibrating tuning fork against various parts of the guitar (body, bridge, pickup, neck, strings). Then he jammed the handle under the top string(s) at the headstock and left it there, looking like a two-headed cigarette. "Drill guitar" could be when he uses a cordless drill spinning a (smooth? round?) bar to similarly abuse his axe. He seems to keep the whammy bar turned back away from the strings unless he's using it *while* picking. He did a little comedy routine in '95 where he "experimented" with various positions during a tune. Maybe it's a silly affectation or maybe it's to keep from impaling his hand like Pete Townshend. "Twang Bar" (when not used as a pun) refers to the circuit of southern and midwestern R&R dance bars his cover-band played way back when. right? FWIW, Nick Allan Hoeltje wrote: >No, no, no, I know what a whammy bar is and where it fits on a guitar! :-< >This thing looked like a tuning fork (two prongs) and it was attached to the >head stock and I did not see Adrian tweak it in any way during the concert. >Maybe it is a wireless antenna? Steve Burnett wrote: >I'm sort of interested to find out what is meant by Belew's credit for >"drill guitar" on the recent Tori Amos album. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 03:16:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22750; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:52:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:52:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF61505.B9E1AEA5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:43:01 -0800 From: Marklar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... References: <00b701c16f04$67b741a0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know the Digitech 2112 and 2120 both do "whammy" effects and put out a stereo signal. You can even pan the shifted signal. Does some smart harmony stuff too, but the tracking is a tad weak, but if you're careful it's useable. One problem with the box is it's single input and mono effect loop. I traded up from an ART SGX2000 and did get better sound, for sure, but lost imput/output flexability. Mark Sottilaro Peter Badore wrote:. The problem is, it's a mono device which cancels out the stereo signal on the Roland (at least that's how it seems to sound). Is there a "stereo" Whammy or something similar short of buying a second Whammy? Or am I in lalaland? > > Just getting my two cents > in, > Peter Badore > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 05:18:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30812; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:36:47 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011116235438.015d0100@127.0.0.1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <695u7.A.ubH.cAj97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/16/01 8:54 PM, nick douglas at nickd@mindspring.com wrote: > > "Drill guitar" could be when he uses a cordless drill spinning a (smooth? > round?) bar to similarly abuse his axe. yeah thats what it is-i got vid!! he just holds the drill near the p/u s and fretts away for a very metallic 'ebow' thang. similar to 'reeve gabrels' and his vvibratorr > > He seems to keep the whammy bar turned back away from the strings unless he's > using it *while* picking. He did a little comedy routine in '95 where he > "experimented" with various positions during a tune. Maybe it's a silly > affectation or maybe it's to keep from impaling his hand like Pete Townshend. no that wasnt it-since the handle of his vibrato bar was a distance from where he was picking(over the p/us) he had to reach for it after each stroke,for that flutter thing he was doing w/ his floating bridge-it just seemed weird for it not to be swong around to inhand while playing(like he usually does...)and what he eventually did... perhaps i'm reading way to much into this by now,after all this verbiage- let the boy (play his guitar) walk your dog... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 09:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14191; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:56:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:56:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c16f6e$8e036f40$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:48:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2h8jyD.A.9VD.Yqm97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, just john wrote: > > > >I'm sort of interested to find out what is meant by Belew's credit for > >"drill guitar" on the recent Tori Amos album. You can see AB's drill talents in the live Crimson video - Live in Japan from the "double-trio" tour of 1995-96. My jaw drops everytime I watch that vid. He's essentially doing the same thing as Van Halen did in Poundcake. Holding the drill near the pickups which causes the vibration of the string and essentially sounds like it's described - a combination of the sound of a drill and guitar. Now what you really need to hear is the chainsaw solo in Jackyl's - The Lumberjack. The music is attrocious. Appalling bad hard rock from the early 90's, but hearing a guy play a chainsaw solo in tune was at least interesting. Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 10:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16794; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:35:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:35:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:28:28 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com peter b. said: >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really performing >Frippertronics. cchhhhwwrauugh, now *there's* a (dinosauric) crock of shite..... again! so many years later, this minor ignorance still gets up my nose. what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; i know that neither eno nor fripp coined that term. what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version of techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 11:10:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21004; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:47:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:47:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c16f7e$b380a700$6453e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content / soundscapes Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:44:10 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > peter b. said: > >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really performing > >Frippertronics. > cchhhhwwrauugh, now *there's* a (dinosauric) crock of shite..... again! > so many years later, this minor ignorance still gets up my nose. > > what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; > i know that neither eno nor fripp coined that term. OK - This is my turf. Soundscapes are sound environments, usually beatless, and strongly connected to the original ambient concept stated by Brian Eno: "Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting." Eno's "Music For Airports (ambient one)" was multiple-loop based music but "On Land (ambient three)" is a better example of soundscapes created using a variety of techniques to establish a series of sonic landscapes. While Eno coined the term "ambient music" for these types of music, the term "soundscape" was coined by composer R. Murray Scafer for the everyday sound environments that we live in. His World Soundscape Project is dedicated to listening to, measuring, analysing and documenting the world's sound environments. (His book "The Tuning Of The World" is a good reference.) Musical soundscapes are designed to replace, enhance or intermingle with our personal daily soundscapes. They can often be mood-altering or enhancing. > what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version of > techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? That's exactly what it is. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 11:26:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22723; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:00:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:00:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c16f7f$c0195560$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:51:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com put forth: > peter b. said: > >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really performing > >Frippertronics. > cchhhhwwrauugh, now *there's* a (dinosauric) crock of shite..... again! > so many years later, this minor ignorance still gets up my nose. > > what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; > i know that neither eno nor fripp coined that term. > > what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version of > techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? I don't after all have my cd collection/etc. here in the UK, but I recall that there was something from Fripp on this during the "Drive to 1984", either on the liner notes for (I think) "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the Queen" or one of the articles he did for Musician or Guitar Player. At the time lots of us were trying to catch his store performances talked about in papers and some magazines, and the talk-up amongst some of us at The League of Gentlemen show in Asbury Park, NJ was as to when the "Frippertronics album" was going to come out, more than anything else. What I primarily recall is that, out of deference to Eno, he was going to avoid calling the album "Music for Sports", and at one point thought of calling the tape looping method (that he fully credits Eno with introducing him to) "Roscotronics". Also at the time we were still waiting for the Daryl Hall "Sacred Songs" album, which RCA was holding back big time; and as I also remember, the aspect being discussed had to do with the applications of Frippertronics to conventional rock music. As we know now there was a lot of necessary maneuvering going on in the background, involving what we came to know as "a trilogy", namely the unreleased "Sacred Songs", Peter Gabriel's second album (containing "Exposure"), and RF's own "Exposure" LP, the last of which has been revealed to be his compilation of sorts of all the material he was working on. Tellingly, a lot of the songs on "Sacred Songs" are also on "Exposure", though they are mixed a bit differently, and have different vocals/words. On this last one, though, I have to differ. While the term "soundscape" may have existed before being used by Fripp in the solo releases of the nineties, it was indeed Fripp that coined the term in the title for "1999 - Soundscapes", unless of course he got suggestions to use the term and never talked about it. Hell, I've still got the t-shirt I got at the House of Blues LA shows from 1997, which reads "Robert Fripp - 1999 Soundscapes". I've never seen a situation where any artist was calling his own tape/line loop method "Frippertronics", though. This was somewhat discouraged by Fripp as well in an article or two. Out of sheer fun I called what I started doing with my old DDS 7.6 in 1992 "SpudTronics", though I never used the word on anything other than my QuadraVerb's front panel for patch descriptions. As far as my earliest recognition of a term for the dual-deck tape/line looping technique as outlined by Eno on "Discreet Music", it would be "Enossification", as put forth in Genesis' "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway", one of the greatest concept albums ever made IMNSHO. Of course this message indeed does have "loop content", so fire away, folks! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 11:44:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23722; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:10:24 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott, when peter b said, >> >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really performing >> >Frippertronics. and i then replied: >> cchhhhwwrauugh, now *there's* a (dinosauric) crock of shite..... again! >> so many years later, this minor ignorance still gets up my nose. >> what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; .....well..... i meant to pose a rhetorical question, in order to point out that not everyone who uses looping-instruments employs 'soundscapes'/'frippertronics' as their 'model' or 'base'. regardless, thanks for your response. >OK - This is my turf. Soundscapes are sound environments, usually beatless, >and strongly connected to the original ambient concept stated by Brian >Eno: >"Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening attention >without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting." with no disrespect meant for b. eno -(far from it, in fact)-, a publicly repeated verbal definition of an aesthetic oeuvre does not necessarily also mark the actual genesis of that oeuvre. see: k. stockhausen, j. cage, t. riley, etc etc. >Eno's "Music For Airports (ambient one)" was multiple-loop based music >but "On Land (ambient three)" is a better example of soundscapes created using >a variety of techniques to establish a series of sonic landscapes. thanks. i've only heard these works, in passing..... as they were maybe meant to be heard. *-) >While Eno coined the term "ambient music" for these types of music, >the term "soundscape" was coined by composer R. Murray Scafer for the >everyday sound environments that we live in. His World Soundscape Project >is dedicated to listening to, measuring, analysing and documenting the >world's >sound environments. (His book "The Tuning Of The World" is a good reference.) thanks for that! >Musical soundscapes are designed to replace, enhance or intermingle with >our personal daily soundscapes. They can often be mood-altering or enhancing. i posed another rhetorical q., then: >> what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version >of >> techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? and you replied..... >That's exactly what it is. that's what i think; again, i was responding to how i perceived peter b's root-assumption, which seemed to imply that all loopists are attempting 'soundscapes/frippertronics'..... which, imo, is erroneous if merely uninformed. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 12:05:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24807; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:42:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:42:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a801c16f6e$8e036f40$1b86893e@simes> References: <00a801c16f6e$8e036f40$1b86893e@simes> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:29:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5KUpw.A.X-F.yGp97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Now what you really need to hear is the chainsaw solo in Jackyl's - The >Lumberjack. The music is attrocious. Appalling bad hard rock from the early >90's, but hearing a guy play a chainsaw solo in tune was at least >interesting. if i remember correctly, there's a chainsaw 'solo' on Ween's first album, "god, ween, satan, the oneness". whether you find the music attrocious on that album....hmmmm...is up to individual taste, i imagine! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 12:06:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24708; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:40:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:30:46 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com spg, >I don't after all have my cd collection/etc. here in the UK, but I recall >that there was something from Fripp on this during the "Drive to 1984", >either on the liner notes for (I think) "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the >Queen" or one of the articles he did for Musician or Guitar Player. At >the time lots of us were trying to catch his store performances wouldn't know: i was not amongst the folk trying to catch those performances. in fact --- wauuugh --- the only times i've heard rf playing 'live' was when 'blue' and kc toured japan, together, 2 years ago --- and, once, the year before that, in a studio. >As we know now there was a lot of necessary maneuvering going on in the >background, involving what we came to know as "a trilogy", namely the >unreleased "Sacred Songs", Peter Gabriel's second album (containing >"Exposure"), and RF's own "Exposure" LP, the last of which has been revealed >to be his compilation of sorts of all the material he was working on. >Tellingly, a lot of the songs on "Sacred Songs" are also on "Exposure", >though they are mixed a bit differently, and have different vocals/words. ..... i'm not familiar w/that stuff, but for the pg record --- which i loved. >On this last one, though, I have to differ. While the term "soundscape" >may have existed before being used by Fripp in the solo releases of the >nineties, it was indeed Fripp that coined the term if the term was already in use, then rf didn't 'coin' it..... >I've never seen a situation where any artist was calling his own tape/line >loop method "Frippertronics", though. thankfully..... *-) >This was somewhat discouraged by >Fripp as well in an article or two. ever the pedagogue..... *-) >Out of sheer fun I called what I started doing with my old DDS 7.6 in 1992 >"SpudTronics", though I never used the word on anything other than my >QuadraVerb's front panel for patch descriptions. so, then you do count yourself as one of those who uses 'soundscapes/frippertronics' as your model, right? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 12:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26790; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:02:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:02:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c16f89$3e915880$6453e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> <000901c16f7f$c0195560$0201a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:59:39 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On this last one, though, I have to differ. While the term "soundscape" may > have existed before being used by Fripp in the solo releases of the > nineties, it was indeed Fripp that coined the term in the title for "1999 - > Soundscapes", unless of course he got suggestions to use the term and never > talked about it. Hell, I've still got the t-shirt I got at the House of > Blues LA shows from 1997, which reads "Robert Fripp - 1999 Soundscapes". The previously mentioned "The Tuning Of The World" was published in 1977 and the bookjacket credits Murray Schafer for the coining of the term "soundscape". While I named "on Land" (1982) as a good example of soundscapes, Eno was still using the term "landscape" as a reference to the music on the album. I can't pinpoint the first usage of "soundscapes" as a musical term but "waveforms" an installation we (dreamSTATE) created in 1996 was described in our posters as an "ambient electronic soundscape" and the phrase was used on the cover of the CD recording of that installation released in 1998. I'm making no claims to the term but pointing out its "common" usage prior to 1999. Fripp just used the word as a descriptive title for his series of releases just as I could release a CD titled "dreamSTATE - 2001 Blues" recorded at the House Of Soundscapes, and have no claim to the genre term "Blues". ;-) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 13:19:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29468; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:48:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:48:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c16f8e$e695ca20$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:39:37 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com put forth: > spg, > >I don't after all have my cd collection/etc. here in the UK, but I recall > >that there was something from Fripp on this during the "Drive to 1984", > >either on the liner notes for (I think) "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the > >Queen" or one of the articles he did for Musician or Guitar Player. At > >the time lots of us were trying to catch his store performances > wouldn't know: > i was not amongst the folk trying to catch those performances. > in fact --- wauuugh --- the only times i've heard rf playing 'live' was when > 'blue' and kc toured japan, together, 2 years ago --- and, once, the year > before that, in a studio. Well, I was using the word 'we' incorrectly no doubt, as I'm in my mid-40s now, and the episode above was 1980. > > >As we know now there was a lot of necessary maneuvering going on in the > >background, involving what we came to know as "a trilogy", namely the > >unreleased "Sacred Songs", Peter Gabriel's second album (containing > >"Exposure"), and RF's own "Exposure" LP, the last of which has been revealed > >to be his compilation of sorts of all the material he was working on. > >Tellingly, a lot of the songs on "Sacred Songs" are also on "Exposure", > >though they are mixed a bit differently, and have different vocals/words. > ..... i'm not familiar w/that stuff, but for the pg record --- which i loved. I highly recommend all of the above to anyone who's never heard them. > >Out of sheer fun I called what I started doing with my old DDS 7.6 in 1992 > >"SpudTronics", though I never used the word on anything other than my > >QuadraVerb's front panel for patch descriptions. > so, then you do count yourself as one of those who uses > 'soundscapes/frippertronics' as your model, right? My 'model'? Not in the least. I'm more influenced by Eno with respect to this - though for me the Eno/Fripp duo is a kind of yin/yang relationship, and I'll always look forward to the results of their work together. I think it's much more accurate to say that I count both Eno and Fripp (and others of course) as influences. My finding of the DDS 7.6 was something I'd just figured out after having banged my head on the question of "How the @#$% do you get a tape loop effect of longer than 1.5 seconds without (1) spending nearly $1000 at the time, or (2) dealing with all the troubles associated with actual tape looping?" I thank my lucky stars (if I have any) that I didn't sink into a vintage tool like the Space Echo or the Echoplex. My DDS 7.6 was used when I bought it in 1992, and it's still chugging along. I don't let it stay on for several days at a time anymore though. :) In any event I was looking for something that *I* could get my own distinct sound out of, as opposed to attempting to replicate the work of either Fripp or Eno. I threw out or erased more material I'd composed just because it sounded like someone else's stuff - then I learned how U2 made millions doing the exact opposite. So it goes. Rev. Norle Enturbulata "Church" of Cartoonism * Comedy Saves! $cientology Enslaves! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 14:35:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03405; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:11:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:11:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:02:22 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EXACTLY. I think Fripp probably meant this name with more than a bit of his tounge in his cheek. Belew calls his Johnson Amp based loops "Beloops" in much the same spirit. It's just a fun silly name like the person on this list that calls his home studio "Mr. Blinky." Boy do we love to pontificate. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 06:28 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version > of > techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 14:38:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03466; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:13:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:13:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c16f9b$8ec3dfa0$6453e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:10:44 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .....well..... i meant to pose a rhetorical question, in order to point out > that not everyone who uses looping-instruments employs > 'soundscapes'/'frippertronics' as their 'model' or 'base'. Ah, yes - agree strongly. > >OK - This is my turf. Soundscapes are sound environments, usually beatless, > >and strongly connected to the original ambient concept stated by Brian > >Eno: > >"Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening attention > >without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is > >interesting." > with no disrespect meant for b. eno -(far from it, in fact)-, a publicly > repeated verbal definition of an aesthetic oeuvre does not necessarily also > mark the actual genesis of that oeuvre. > see: k. stockhausen, j. cage, t. riley, etc etc. I'll disagree here - despite the groundwork laid by Satie, Cage etc... Brian Eno coined the term "Ambient Music", (loosely) defined its parameters, declared that he would create a series of Ambient Music albums and then successfully proceeded to do just that. I think that almost all true ambient music since then has its roots in those albums. (I am aware of parallel work such as Steve Hillage's "Rainbow Dome Music", which is amongst my many personal influences.) Here's Eno's complete original definition: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/MFA-txt.html > i posed another rhetorical q., then: > >> what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version > >of > >> techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? > > and you replied..... > >That's exactly what it is. > that's what i think; again, i was responding to how i perceived peter b's > root-assumption, which seemed to imply that all loopists are attempting > 'soundscapes/frippertronics'..... which, imo, is erroneous if merely > uninformed. Agree - When Fripp was introduced to the looping systems approach, he obviously "took to it like a duck to water" and "cut his own path" with the concepts. His high profile from KC and the high quality (I'm not talking production) of "No Pussyfooting" and many of his later works (I'm thinking "A Blessing Of Tears") led to the current frippertronics/looping soundscapes - kleenex/tissue paper associations in so many people's minds. "No Pussyfooting" certainly set the bar high. (Please pardon my cliche-fest.) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 14:46:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03515; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:05:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00a801c16f6e$8e036f40$1b86893e@simes> Message-Id: <200DD12B-DB8E-11D5-A2A0-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 05:48 AM, Simon Kean wrote: > Holding the drill near the pickups which causes the vibration of the > string > and essentially sounds like it's described - a combination of the sound > of a > drill and guitar. > It's probably less about vibration of the string and more about inductance between the drill motor and the guitar pickup. This can be really taken advantage of in many ways. Anything with a small speaker or electric motor will do it. Toys, etc. Go wild. I love to use the now discontinued "megamouth" toys held up to my pickups. Weird fun sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 15:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04754; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:37:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:37:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:26:59 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-reply-to: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:28 AM -0500 11/17/01, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; >i know that neither eno nor fripp coined that term. It was used in the academic electronic music community for years before Fripp co-opted it. >what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version of >techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? This is one of my pet peeves, as well. The first use of the classic two Revox tape recorder technique that I know of is by Terry Riley. He called it his "Time Lag Accumulator". People who think that Fripp innovated much tech here should check out "Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band", from the 1969 release "A Rainbow in Curved Air". All the techniques of "Frippertronics" are there. Naming something does not grant ownership. Eno has been more forthcoming than Fripp on his debt to Terry Riley for this technique. I'm not a Crimson/Fripp/Eno basher, in fact rather a fan of sorts. It does bother me though, that they are perceived as creating this ambient and tape delay stuff out of thin air. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 15:24:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05249; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:47:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:47:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c16f9f$9176f4e0$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <200DD12B-DB8E-11D5-A2A0-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:39:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-kBM-.A.EMB.Rzr97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 05:48 AM, Simon Kean wrote: > > Holding the drill near the pickups which causes the vibration of the > > string > > and essentially sounds like it's described - a combination of the sound > > of a > > drill and guitar. > > > > It's probably less about vibration of the string and more about > inductance between the drill motor and the guitar pickup. This can be > really taken advantage of in many ways. Anything with a small speaker > or electric motor will do it. Toys, etc. Go wild. I love to use the > now discontinued "megamouth" toys held up to my pickups. Weird fun > sound. Agreed. A more apt description right there. It also reminded me of Reeves Gabrels and his use of a vibrator for the same effect. There's one piece of musical gear that the wife won't mind any of us buying :) Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 15:48:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07951; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:21:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:21:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:10:05 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/17/01 11:26 AM, Chris Muir at cbm@well.com wrote: > This is one of my pet peeves, as well. The first use of the classic > two Revox tape recorder technique that I know of is by Terry Riley. > He called it his "Time Lag Accumulator". People who think that Fripp > innovated much tech here should check out "Poppy Nogood and the > Phantom Band", from the 1969 release "A Rainbow in Curved Air". All > the techniques of "Frippertronics" are there. Naming something does > not grant ownership. Eno has been more forthcoming than Fripp on his > debt to Terry Riley for this technique. > > I'm not a Crimson/Fripp/Eno basher, in fact rather a fan of sorts. It > does bother me though, that they are perceived as creating this > ambient and tape delay stuff out of thin air. > > Chris hey my 1st looper box was called"fripp in a box"! it was/is the (in)famous I know fripp was usin one at the time(early 80s) but i wonder what he thought about the use of his name in that selling point phrase? s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 16:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10007; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:55:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:55:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c16fa9$af054980$6453e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:51:51 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is one of my pet peeves, as well. The first use of the classic > two Revox tape recorder technique that I know of is by Terry Riley. > He called it his "Time Lag Accumulator". People who think that Fripp > innovated much tech here should check out "Poppy Nogood and the > Phantom Band", from the 1969 release "A Rainbow in Curved Air". All > the techniques of "Frippertronics" are there. Naming something does > not grant ownership. Eno has been more forthcoming than Fripp on his > debt to Terry Riley for this technique. Yes - this thread had already made me think of "Poppy Nogood" and I pulled out the CD and have listened to it twice while catching up on my e-mail. A fine piece of primal looping/long delay work. I think I'll play it between sets at the Planet Of The Loops show this Tuesday at The Ambient Ping (free for those in the Toronto area). http://www.theambientping.com/ Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 16:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11825; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 12:54:16 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 AM -0800 11/17/01, Chris Muir wrote: >The first use of the classic two Revox tape recorder technique that >I know of is by Terry Riley. He called it his "Time Lag >Accumulator". People who think that Fripp innovated much tech here >should check out "Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band", from the 1969 >release "A Rainbow in Curved Air". My first exposure to this technique was the Pauline Oliveros piece "I of IV" (1966). PO and her colleagues at the San Francisco Tape Music Center were doing a lot of pieces with live tape delay systems as early as 1962, and Terry was part of that scene. Tape delay as both live and studio technique was well known in those circles. Otto Luening's "Low Speed" used delay techiques in 1952! This music is all readily available on CD, so check it out. As to "soundscape," I find that the term is indeed generally credited to R. Murray Schafer (The Tuning of the World, 1977), though John Cage's series of Imaginary Landscapes (1939 and later) are plausible antecedents. http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Histories/SoundscapeComposition.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 17:10:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14512; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:27:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/17/01 8:29 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: ummm, Ween? Jackyl? What about the Tubes?!?! They were playing the chainsaw back in the freakin' 70's! >> Now what you really need to hear is the chainsaw solo in Jackyl's - The >> Lumberjack. The music is attrocious. Appalling bad hard rock from the early >> 90's, but hearing a guy play a chainsaw solo in tune was at least >> interesting. > > if i remember correctly, there's a chainsaw 'solo' on Ween's first > album, "god, ween, satan, the oneness". whether you find the music > attrocious on that album....hmmmm...is up to individual taste, i > imagine! > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 18:09:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18534; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:33:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:33:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:33:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stan Card wrote: >hey my 1st looper box was called"fripp in a box"! >it was/is the (in)famous >I know fripp was usin one at the time(early 80s) but i wonder what he >thought about the use of his name in that selling point phrase? >s I've read he was mildly miffed EH wouldn't give him one gratis, since they were using his name in ads to sell the box... And I'd have to agree with him, pretty cheap of EH... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23285; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:46:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:46:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:37:26 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com spg, so, still in some relation to the *original* thread, i said: >> so, then you do count yourself as one of those who uses >> 'soundscapes/frippertronics' as your model, right? >My 'model'? Not in the least. I'm more influenced by Eno with respect >to this - >though for me the Eno/Fripp duo is a kind of yin/yang relationship, >and I'll always look forward to the results of their work together. I >think >it's much more accurate to say that I count both Eno and Fripp (and others >of course) as influences. My finding of the DDS 7.6 was something I'd >just >figured out after having banged my head on the question of "How the @#$% >do >you get a tape loop effect of longer than 1.5 seconds without (1) spending >nearly $1000 at the time, or (2) dealing with all the troubles associated >with actual tape looping?" I thank my lucky stars (if I have any) that >I >didn't sink into a vintage tool like the Space Echo or the Echoplex. My >DDS >7.6 was used when I bought it in 1992, and it's still chugging along. >I >don't let it stay on for several days at a time anymore though. :) >In any event I was looking for something that *I* could get my own distinct >sound out of, as opposed to attempting to replicate the work of either >Fripp >or Eno. nice. >I threw out or erased more material I'd composed just because >it sounded like someone else's stuff good self-critical faculties, eh? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:18:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23299; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c16fc0$fb3764c0$09b9e83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:38:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Don't buy SimpleTech cards?" As I understand it, they are the best cards > out there and they are guaranteed by Electrix. What do you recommend > instead? *** They may be the best, but not all of them. If Simple Technology makes one kind of a card out of which some cards work and some not, when one buys them, he or she is at risk that they will not work with Repeater (which happened to me). Then in addition to the price for the card one needs to add time spent trying to make it work (I did not have any idea about this problem, trusting Electrix), postage to Canada, and time of waiting for the new card. That's why I would not recommend SimpleTech cards. petr www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:18:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23818; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:52:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.1499c411.29285040@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:44:00 EST Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <6u_X6.A.VpF.dZv97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com simon, >Agreed. A more apt description right there. It also reminded me of Reeves >Gabrels and his use of a vibrator for the same effect. There's one piece >of musical gear that the wife won't mind any of us buying :) actually, when i first showed up on a stage sporting the vibrator-on-strings-technique (1980? w/the everyman band), my wife came to the gig and was somewhat amused & simultaneously appalled. fwiw. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:19:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23337; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:46:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:46:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <107.8cafa12.29284eff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:38:39 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >EXACTLY. I think Fripp probably meant this name with more than a bit of >his tounge in his cheek. that's generous of you. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:20:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23909; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:54:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:54:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: References: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com> Subject: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:47:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedawa7 has written: > scott, > when peter b said, > >> >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really > performing > >> >Frippertronics. > > and i then replied: > >> cchhhhwwrauugh, now *there's* a (dinosauric) crock of shite..... again! > >> so many years later, this minor ignorance still gets up my nose. > >> what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; > .....well..... i meant to pose a rhetorical question, in order to point out > that not everyone who uses looping-instruments employs > 'soundscapes'/'frippertronics' as their 'model' or 'base'. > > regardless, thanks for your response. And then... > that's what i think; again, i was responding to how i perceived peter b's > root-assumption, which seemed to imply that all loopists are attempting > 'soundscapes/frippertronics'..... which, imo, is erroneous if merely > uninformed. I did not say that "all loopists" were "attempting" anything! I'm referring to an occasional download from either LD or Elephant Talk by those, like me, who have their creative roots in Crim-related material. What I meant was, on occasion, when someone features their work as Soundscapes (which, from listening to RF's CDs, employs a less repetitious pattern with drastic fading after only a few repeats at most) it sounds more akin to Frippertronics (which employs constant repetition with almost unnoticable fading until you realize it's almost gone several minutes later). Got it? Just those people in particular, not the entire looping community! But, as I implied, I don't have a problem with it; just an observation. No offense was meant to anyone regarding this; nevertheless, if you have something bad up your nose, by all means grab a hanky and blow! And to Chris Muir: I'm fully aware of the works of Riley, Reich, and Oliveiros. However, no one has brought out this technique to the public at large better than Fripp & Eno, for obvious reasons. Just as Jimi Hendrix innovated electric guitar techniques even though he didn't invent the instrument or D.W. Griffith innovated storytelling in the movies without inventing cameras or film (though his praising of the KKK leaves a lot to doubt), F&E took this invention and turned it into their own separate entities. So I must disagree that RF "didn't innovate" (you'll have to refer to your own letter as I've already quoted the above). He is indeed worthy of the term Frippertronics (and, yes, I'm also aware that the term started as as joke). I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno first conceived it. Yeah, yeah, two different things. Finally, thanks Mark Sottilaro for your advice and to those who recommended the Repeater. I'm going to try one out now! Your minor ignorant, Peter Badore From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:25:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23925; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:55:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:55:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:46:46 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <4p1wP.A.ttF.Bcv97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott, >Yes - this thread had already made me think of "Poppy Nogood" and >I pulled out the CD and have listened to it twice while catching up >on my e-mail. A fine piece of primal looping/long delay work. indeed; i keep it here -vinyl version- for semi-regular playback. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:26:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25261; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <60.16f8de14.2928513f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:48:15 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rz, >My first exposure to this technique was the Pauline Oliveros piece "I >of IV" (1966). PO and her colleagues at the San Francisco Tape Music >Center were doing a lot of pieces with live tape delay systems as >early as 1962, and Terry was part of that scene. Tape delay as both >live and studio technique was well known in those circles. Otto >Luening's "Low Speed" used delay techiques in 1952! This music is >all readily available on CD, so check it out. > >As to "soundscape," I find that the term is indeed generally credited >to R. Murray Schafer (The Tuning of the World, 1977), though John >Cage's series of Imaginary Landscapes (1939 and later) are plausible >antecedents. thanks for all that. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:33:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25821; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:08:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:08:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:58:11 -0500 Subject: Re: nyc loopfest From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200111162134.QAA08579@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3088868291_21521_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3088868291_21521_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "We" are going to play in a medium-sized loftspace, a day on a weekend in December or early January just as a long jam/get-together/meeting. Yey!! --MS_Mac_OE_3088868291_21521_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: nyc loopfest
"We" are going t= o play in a medium-sized loftspace, a day on a weekend
in December or early January just as a long jam/get-together/meeting.

Yey!!

 --MS_Mac_OE_3088868291_21521_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 19:41:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25695; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:05:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:05:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c16fc3$95e1e5c0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loopcontent...) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:57:14 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 17 November 2001 21:27 PM Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loopcontent...) > on 11/17/01 8:29 AM, rich at rich@nuvisionsca.com wrote: > ummm, > Ween? Jackyl? > What about the Tubes?!?! They were playing the chainsaw back in the > freakin' 70's! Yep. Caught that in 78 in Syracuse. The Tubes, God bless 'em, and their rendition of "I Saw Her Standing There"! Although my personal fave was always the Cowboys-style cheerleaders for "White Punks on Dope". > >> Now what you really need to hear is the chainsaw solo in Jackyl's - The > >> Lumberjack. The music is attrocious. Appalling bad hard rock from the early > >> 90's, but hearing a guy play a chainsaw solo in tune was at least > >> interesting. > > > > if i remember correctly, there's a chainsaw 'solo' on Ween's first > > album, "god, ween, satan, the oneness". whether you find the music > > attrocious on that album....hmmmm...is up to individual taste, i > > imagine! > > > > rich > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 20:06:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27831; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:44:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c16fc8$f2ec4f80$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3d.1499c411.29285040@aol.com> Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:35:38 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dig this. I have a pen-tablet setup on my PC. When I hold the pen near my guitar's pickups, a non-annoying "chirp" repetition occurs. I ended up putting the sound in "One of Them", with a panning effect. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! ---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 17 November 2001 23:44 PM Subject: Re: Tool time (was Re: belew/kingcrimson-only incidental loop content...) > simon, > > >Agreed. A more apt description right there. It also reminded me of Reeves > >Gabrels and his use of a vibrator for the same effect. There's one piece > >of musical gear that the wife won't mind any of us buying :) > > actually, when i first showed up on a stage sporting the > vibrator-on-strings-technique (1980? w/the everyman band), my wife came to > the gig and was somewhat amused & simultaneously appalled. > fwiw. > best, > dt / s-c > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 20:16:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27959; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:38:46 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, let's get some things straight. Fripp did invent looping, Elvis did invent rock and roll, and Columbus did discover America. OK? OK! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 11:26 AM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 9:28 AM -0500 11/17/01, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >> what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; >> i know that neither eno nor fripp coined that term. > > It was used in the academic electronic music community for years before > Fripp co-opted it. > > >> what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's >> version of >> techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? > > This is one of my pet peeves, as well. The first use of the classic two > Revox tape recorder technique that I know of is by Terry Riley. He > called it his "Time Lag Accumulator". People who think that Fripp > innovated much tech here should check out "Poppy Nogood and the Phantom > Band", from the 1969 release "A Rainbow in Curved Air". All the > techniques of "Frippertronics" are there. Naming something does not > grant ownership. Eno has been more forthcoming than Fripp on his debt > to Terry Riley for this technique. > > I'm not a Crimson/Fripp/Eno basher, in fact rather a fan of sorts. It > does bother me though, that they are perceived as creating this ambient > and tape delay stuff out of thin air. > > Chris > > -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between > cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 20:22:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28618; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c16fca$6e793a40$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: , "Tom Ritchford" References: Subject: Re: [loop ny] a plan appears Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_IyQNB.A.z1G.QVw97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in, at least before 1/14/2002 and after the end of Jan. Where's that info for the web site Tom? * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > "We" are going to play in a medium-sized loftspace, a day on a weekend > in December or early January just as a long jam/get-together/meeting. > > Someone has offered a space, and we'll get to a date and > specifics next! > > I love this idea. It'll be fun! > We can lead up to greater, later. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 20:52:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31233; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c16fcf$1de14320$6c5330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: Favorite pickups - and why Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:19:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C16FCF.1C824F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <94s7zC.A.DiH.Myw97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C16FCF.1C824F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are your favorite pickups for electric guitar and why do you like = them >>>>???? I am particularry interested in seven string pickups David=20 I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C16FCF.1C824F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What are your favorite pickups for = electric guitar=20 and why do you like them >>>>????
I am particularry interested in seven = string=20 pickups
 
David
 
I am a danish woman = !!!!!!!!!
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C16FCF.1C824F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 20:58:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31232; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:27:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:27:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c16fcf$b7212280$6c5330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: Chambered body on electric guitars Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:24:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C16FCF.B603CBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C16FCF.B603CBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have noticed that some elctric gutars (Klein, Anderson etc etc) have = hollow bodies without f-holes (chambered bodies) what affect does this = have on the sound ?? thanks =20 David=20 I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C16FCF.B603CBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have noticed that some elctric gutars = (Klein,=20 Anderson etc etc) have hollow bodies without f-holes (chambered = bodies)=20 what affect does this have on the sound ??
 
thanks
 
David
 
I am a danish woman = !!!!!!!!!
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C16FCF.B603CBA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 21:02:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31433; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c16fcf$b927ef00$6c5330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: Seven string fernades sustainer Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:24:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16FCF.B6827180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16FCF.B6827180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are these available seperatly ?? i have the guitar i want them to go in = i just cant find out if there are available as a seperate item. I know = the six string version is ...... David=20 I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16FCF.B6827180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are these available seperatly ?? i have = the guitar=20 i want them to go in i just cant find out if there are available as a = seperate=20 item. I know the six string version is ......
 
David
 
I am a danish woman = !!!!!!!!!
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C16FCF.B6827180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 21:21:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32559; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:58:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.f8ba3ff.29286d6f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:48:31 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >OK? OK! unfair!, as you answered yer own question..... *-) dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 21:35:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01988; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:06:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004701c16fc0$fb3764c0$09b9e83f@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then, respectfully, you seem to be suggesting no memory upgrade at all, because ST is still the safest bet with the guarantee. I guess if someone wants to upgrade, they should consider the possibility that they might have to wait four or five days for a free replacement if it doesn't work. Is more than 8 times the memory capacity worth it? I guess that's up to the individual. For me it was a no brainer. The 16MB standard card is just not sufficient for my work, even if I had to wait a month. Hell, I waited a LOT longer than that for the unit itself. What's an extra week? -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: pepetr [mailto:pepetr@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 3:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater > "Don't buy SimpleTech cards?" As I understand it, they are the best cards > out there and they are guaranteed by Electrix. What do you recommend > instead? *** They may be the best, but not all of them. If Simple Technology makes one kind of a card out of which some cards work and some not, when one buys them, he or she is at risk that they will not work with Repeater (which happened to me). Then in addition to the price for the card one needs to add time spent trying to make it work (I did not have any idea about this problem, trusting Electrix), postage to Canada, and time of waiting for the new card. That's why I would not recommend SimpleTech cards. petr www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 21:46:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02198; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:21:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:19:42 -0500 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... From: Ruben Muir To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87.1323164b.2927ce0c@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/17/01 9:28 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > peter b. said: >> I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really performing >> Frippertronics. > what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; > i know that neither eno nor fripp coined that term. > > what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version of > techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? > best, > dt / s-c > You mean, like *enosifications (sp?) as put on TLLDOB ? Maybe it means a private *tag on a specific process? cricket menace, cloud guitar,etc... I wonder why Zappa never made fun of this? R.M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 22:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04063; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <119.7d9c185.29287b7a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:48:26 EST Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pbadore: >Hedawa7 has written: .....ummm, actually, that's 'HEDEWA7'. >I did not say that "all loopists" were "attempting" anything! I'm referring >to an occasional download from either LD or Elephant Talk by those, like >me, who have their creative roots in Crim-related material. i had no way of knowing to what/whom you were referring, as what you said was: >> >> >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really >> performing >> >> >Frippertronics. .....and i tend to take email, literally. (unless, of course, i missed some previous explicatory missive, in which case i apologise for being such an ass, again.) >What I meant was, >on occasion, when someone features their work as Soundscapes (which, from >listening to RF's CDs, employs a less repetitious pattern with drastic >fading after only a few repeats at most) it sounds more akin to >Frippertronics (which employs constant repetition with almost unnoticable >fading until you realize it's almost gone several minutes later). Got >it? >Just those people in particular, not the entire looping community! again, i understood you to mean 'all' or 'most' loopists, not just those arising from the legions of robert's quasi-disciples. >But, as I implied, I don't have a problem with it; just an observation. No offense >was meant to anyone regarding this; nevertheless, if you have something >bad up your nose, by all means grab a hanky and blow! well: i did! and will ever continue to do so..... >And to Chris Muir: I'm fully aware of the works of Riley, Reich, and >Oliveiros. However, no one has brought out this technique to the public >at large better than Fripp & Eno, for obvious reasons. hmmmmm...... i'm *really* not sure about that, when it comes to the complexity of specifics. >Just as Jimi Hendrix >innovated electric guitar techniques even though he didn't invent the >instrument hmmmmm...... a misplaced analogy, methinks. >or D.W. Griffith innovated storytelling in the movies without >inventing cameras or film (though his praising of the KKK leaves a lot >to doubt), >F&E took this invention and turned it into their own separate >entities. while idiosyncratic 'synthesis/incorporation' may well include some elements & traces of 'innovation', i generally think of the word 'innovation' as implying an actual genesis:birth of something 'new'; .....seems to me that it's pretty common in the art/music world for highly visible 'synthesisers' to become regarded as innovators, due in large part to baseline consensus realities created by mass-distributed 'secondary' media, eg advertisements, magazines, television events, et al, and agreed upon, to some degree, 'by default': the baseline. (which also implies that the american concept of 'rugged individualism' is, well, kinda busted..... at least at the baseline). *-) sorry, but: whaddya think? storytime: some years ago, i was playing w/a -errrmmmm- 'major' artist. we were in rehearsal, and at one point, he was playing guitar; i approached him to find out the fingering/inversion of the chord that he was playing. i said: 'so, what exactly are ya playing, there?' he seemed to slightly misinterpret my intention, and replied (nearly fatuously): 'isn't this a nice chord? i invented it, last night'. my rejoinder was: 'actually, it sounds like a G-Maj triad over Eb, or an EbMaj7, b13, contextually', but he turned away, non-plussed, obviously self-satisfied with his recent invention. >So I must disagree that RF "didn't innovate" (you'll have to >refer to your own letter as I've already quoted the above). He is indeed >worthy of the term Frippertronics (and, yes, I'm also aware that the term >started as as joke). okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out..... 8-) >I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new >fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno >first conceived it. neither of the 2 terms has any meaning for me, anymore, personally: s'just a buncha presumably organised verbal blather, bleached of meaning by a largely numb audience painfully over-eager to define (and be enslaved by) idioms. to quote rahsaan roland kirk: 'bright moments!' 8-)) >Finally, thanks Mark Sottilaro for your advice and to those who recommended >the Repeater. I'm going to try one out now! have fun!, and don't forget that the edp's a great partner for repeater. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 23:07:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07003; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:46:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:46:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c16fe2$4a127460$d1168bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Loopers" , Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:36:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just gotta add to this "Soundscape/Frippertronics" thing: back about 1987 I did at least a few gigs subtitled "Soundscapes for Electronic Guitar." It was loop-based improvisation overtly influenced by Fripp, David Torn and Steve Reich. I have some of the posters in my basement to prove it. So I was using the "Soundscapes" tag long before the Heartless Venal Pedantic One. He probably lifted it from me. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 23:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07376; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:54:46 -0500 Subject: Re: OT-debate From: Ruben Muir To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <119.7d9c185.29287b7a@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com11/17/01 9:48 PMHedewa7@aol.com > don't forget that the edp's a great partner for repeater. What's an edp? Question, I have more synths than guitars. Considering this which of the following machines would you suggest: TC FireworX or Eventide Eclipse ? tfah Ruben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 17 23:24:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08620; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:00:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:00:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:58:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate From: Ruben Muir To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <119.7d9c185.29287b7a@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com11/17/01 9:48 PMHedewa7@aol.com > storytime: > some years ago, i was playing w/a -errrmmmm- 'major' artist. That sounds like DB-s , at least to the uninitiated :> RM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 00:18:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11028; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:54:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:54:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c16feb$f24b3fa0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: References: <119.7d9c185.29287b7a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate finale Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:46:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To Hedawa7 for the last time: 1. I refuse to capitalize your entire name in a childish effort to boost your ego. The heading doesn't do so, and neither will I. 2. > again, i understood you to mean 'all' or 'most' loopists, not just those > arising from the legions of robert's quasi-disciples. You still think I'm calling every looper a soundscaper. I don't know how you got started with that crap. Please read my original message again carefully and with consideration this time, if you still have it on file. I was making a simple observation about a few of my fellow "quasi-disciples". Talk about minor ignorance! I have to blow my nose, now. 3. > while idiosyncratic 'synthesis/incorporation' may well include some elements > & traces of 'innovation', i generally think of the word 'innovation' as > implying an actual genesis:birth of something 'new'; Webster's defines "innovation": "1. the act or process of innovating; 2. something newly introduced; new method, custom, device, etc.; change in the way of doing things". Think about that last part: "change in the way of doing things." My argument stands. You can only work with what you have, but you can take it to another level. That's how life works. 4. > .....seems to me that it's pretty common in the art/music world for highly > visible 'synthesisers' to become regarded as innovators, due in large part to > baseline consensus realities created by mass-distributed 'secondary' media, > eg advertisements, magazines, television events, et al, and agreed upon, to > some degree, 'by default': the baseline. > (which also implies that the american concept of 'rugged individualism' is, > well, kinda busted..... at least at the baseline). > *-) > sorry, but: > whaddya think? I think synthesizers are highly innovated, but everything depends on the player. A car is only as good as the driver. I don't give a damn what the media portrays, but I also don't give a damn about people who ignore changing times. I was one of the latter for a ten-year period: Nothing but oldies rock and hard bop, and that followed a period where I had started taking an interest in electronic music for a short period of time. Too complicated to go into, but I practically had to start all over again when I woke up (hey, I'm not perfect, either!). But I digress. I still face a lot of poo-pooing about my "sudden change of character", as described by several people. I like my GR-33 and other new effects, but to each one's own. Although I'm aware of the control few people have over it, I grow tired of the media being blamed for everything. For crying out loud, 2001 is almost over! Move on! 5. >storytime: > some years ago, i was playing w/a -errrmmmm- 'major' artist. > we were in rehearsal, and at one point, he was playing guitar; > i approached him to find out the fingering/inversion of the chord that he was > playing. > i said: 'so, what exactly are ya playing, there?' > he seemed to slightly misinterpret my intention, and replied (nearly > fatuously): > 'isn't this a nice chord? i invented it, last night'. > my rejoinder was: 'actually, it sounds like a G-Maj triad over Eb, or an > EbMaj7, b13, contextually', but > he turned away, non-plussed, obviously self-satisfied with his recent > invention. Here you have my sympathy, but I've learned over the years it's useless to try and point these things out. We all have egos and you just gotta go with the flow. Did you compliment him on his chord? 6. > okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out..... HUH??? 7. (My quote) >I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new > >fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno > >first conceived it. (Yours) > neither of the 2 terms has any meaning for me, anymore, personally: > s'just a buncha presumably organised verbal blather, bleached of meaning by a > largely numb audience painfully over-eager to define (and be enslaved by) > idioms. Whatever. I was joking, y'know. 8. Finally, I couldn't get the damned Repeater to work! Now I gotta go back tomorrow! No hard feelings but I don't deny my bluntness, PB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 00:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12535; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:07:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011117235609.007ff980@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 23:56:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate In-Reply-To: <119.7d9c185.29287b7a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7VMkJB.A.u_C.OB097@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That last post had a buncha prospective song titles innit, dinnit? '...ummm, actually' 'arising from the legions' 'grab a hanky and blow' 'the complexity of specifics' 'a misplaced analogy, methinks' 'elements & traces' 'by default': the baseline' 'kinda busted' 'blather, bleached of meaning' 'largely numb' 'enslaved by idioms' -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 01:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14449; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:52:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:52:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011117235609.007ff980@pop.metrocast.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20011117235609.007ff980@pop.metrocast.net> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:38:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason, Can i please have a looper's delight t-shirt with 'grab a hanky and blow' on the back? check's in the mail... rich >That last post had a buncha prospective song titles innit, dinnit? > >'...ummm, actually' >'arising from the legions' >'grab a hanky and blow' >'the complexity of specifics' >'a misplaced analogy, methinks' >'elements & traces' >'by default': the baseline' >'kinda busted' >'blather, bleached of meaning' >'largely numb' >'enslaved by idioms' > >-t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 01:16:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14389; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006201c16feb$f24b3fa0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> References: <119.7d9c185.29287b7a@aol.com> <006201c16feb$f24b3fa0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:36:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate finale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >To Hedawa7 for the last time: > >1. I refuse to capitalize your entire name in a childish effort to boost >your ego. The heading doesn't do so, and neither will I. i think he was correcting the spelling, which is hedewa, not hedawa. perhaps he was just being a little touchy? we've all had spelling mistakes here, including our liberal use of internet eubonics, yes? as for unusual phonetic spellings, mr. torn often takes the cake! >6. > okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out..... >HUH??? oh, this one was good!!! give the man credit where it's due! ...that one made me laugh. seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 01:24:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15923; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:00:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:00:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: ::::magicicada :::: live 11-19-01 nomenclature:::: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:50:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c16ff4$f836aa40$a9bef118@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011117235609.007ff980@pop.metrocast.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again. I know we have had our ups and downs, but I do care about you and I would love to see you Monday night / 11:30 pm/ at the Nomenclature Museum 44 12th Street Midtown Atlanta. Please come baby so we can work this out. I need this---WE need this.do it for us. All I am asking for is one chance. Just one chance, if you do not like it you do not have to see me again. I swear I will perform all original compositions and I will do it with love. I will be wearing the hat you bought me for Hanukah. So look for me. Love, magicicada www.magicicada.com Electroacoustic-experimental compositions BTW I pulled some strings and got you in for free to the club---I also convinced the club owners to cook some food for you, which will also be free. So, you can bring all your friends. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 01:38:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16758; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:16:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:16:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:05:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011117235609.007ff980@pop.metrocast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i was thinkin the same...i'm hopin to read a DT hardcover torntome at sometime in my life-just a great way w/ words and thoughts and how they relate to musica,specifically and generally. ya listening dt? find a publisher if ya can :-) s on 11/17/01 8:56 PM, Tim Nelson at tnelson@metrocast.net wrote: > That last post had a buncha prospective song titles innit, dinnit? > > '...ummm, actually' > 'arising from the legions' > 'grab a hanky and blow' > 'the complexity of specifics' > 'a misplaced analogy, methinks' > 'elements & traces' > 'by default': the baseline' > 'kinda busted' > 'blather, bleached of meaning' > 'largely numb' > 'enslaved by idioms' > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 04:33:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29080; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 04:09:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 04:09:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:17:59 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c801c16fe8$022612f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <119.7d9c185.29287b7a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out..... > 8-) > ... HEY! my studio is named 'elecTORNica'... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 04:38:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29271; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 04:14:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 04:14:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 01:05:50 -0800 Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <8a.f8ba3ff.29286d6f@aol.com> Message-Id: <764C1AB6-DC03-11D5-A2A0-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yes, and some more I forgot, I invented sarcasm and Kiss invented almost everything else. Mark On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 05:48 PM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > ms, >> OK? OK! > unfair!, as you answered yer own question..... > *-) > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 06:02:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04951; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:37:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:37:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <164.411226e.2928e73e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:28:14 EST Subject: Re: OT-debate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_qFSe.A.BJB.h1497@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com r, >What's an edp? echoplex digital pro (made by gibson) = hardcore live-looping device dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 06:18:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05556; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:53:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:45:19 EST Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate finale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pbadore@rochester.rr.com writes: >To Hedawa7 for the last time: >1. I refuse to capitalize your entire name in a childish effort to boost >your ego. The heading doesn't do so, and neither will I. you misunderstood me; i was trying to get ya to SPELL it correctly, is all. >2. > again, i understood you to mean 'all' or 'most' loopists, not just >those >> arising from the legions of robert's quasi-disciples. >You still think I'm calling every looper a soundscaper. no, i don't. >I don't know how >you got started with that crap. Please read my original message again >carefully and with consideration this time, if you still have it on file. i quoted you, in my last email, to show you why i misunderstood you. > I >was making a simple observation about a few of my fellow "quasi-disciples". >Talk about minor ignorance! I have to blow my nose, now. nice! >I think synthesizers are highly innovated, but everything depends on the >player. A car is only as good as the driver. i think you misunderstood me, there; i was talking about creative *people* as either synthesizers or as innovators. >I don't give a damn what >the >media portrays, but I also don't give a damn about people who ignore >changing times. I was one of the latter for a ten-year period: Nothing >but >oldies rock and hard bop, and that followed a period where I had started >taking an interest in electronic music for a short period of time. Too >complicated to go into, but I practically had to start all over again when >I >woke up (hey, I'm not perfect, either!). But I digress. I still face >a lot >of poo-pooing about my "sudden change of character", as described by several >people. I like my GR-33 and other new effects, but to each one's own. >Although I'm aware of the control few people have over it, I grow tired >of >the media being blamed for everything. For crying out loud, 2001 is almost >over! Move on! will do! >Here you have my sympathy, but I've learned over the years it's useless >to >try and point these things out. We all have egos and you just gotta go >with >the flow. Did you compliment him on his chord? *-) probably very quietly as he walked away..... >7. (My quote) >I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new >> >fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when >Eno >> >first conceived it. >(Yours) > neither of the 2 terms has any meaning for me, anymore, >personally: >> s'just a buncha presumably organised verbal blather, bleached of meaning >by a >> largely numb audience painfully over-eager to define (and be enslaved >by) >> idioms. > Whatever. I was joking, y'know. okay! >8. Finally, I couldn't get the damned Repeater to work! Now I gotta go >back tomorrow! that's technology, for ya..... >No hard feelings but I don't deny my bluntness, so it goes. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 06:57:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08119; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: bass sound with guitar Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200111180122.UAA31046@hemlock.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to be able to sometimes play bass on my guitar. The harmonizer bass settings suck. My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What methods are available? If I had a Roland hexaphonic pickup, could I create a fretless bass sound with some synth or VG8 like device? = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 07:43:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10862; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:20:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:20:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: bass sound with guitar Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 04:12:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <7CqvAC.A.6kC.dW697@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a bass player, I have to say that this would really only be possible with a fretless bass. But I'm sure that someone on here can recommend a machine that imitates some of the characteristics of a fretless bass. But for "real good fretless bass sound", there really is only one option... -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 3:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: bass sound with guitar My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What methods are available? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 08:02:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11789; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:41:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:41:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c1702c$b7372140$d7b51597@s5v2x4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: R: bass sound with guitar Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:29:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could try that, the midi fretless sound is not that good, but it is usable. I had the same problem and pretty much solved it by using a 7 string guitar with thick flatwound strings (011-056), mixing a bit of octaver (in parallel) and playing fingerstile. Another solution (a tad pricier) could be getting a warr guitar (or austin douglas) or a double neck (I think danelectro builds a doubleneck with guitar and bass necks). Some Boss and Roland guitar processors (Vf-1 etc...) also have a fretless emulator (they call it de-fretter, I think, I tried it sometime ago, but wasn't really impressed by the result) Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Peters To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: bass sound with guitar > I'd love to be able to sometimes play bass on my guitar. The harmonizer bass > settings suck. My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What > methods are available? If I had a Roland hexaphonic pickup, could I create a > fretless bass sound with some synth or VG8 like device? > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 08:16:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12247; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014001c17047$7ddfea60$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Cc: Subject: Fripp, Duchamp, Urinating paintings and.......... Limp Bizkit Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:41:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013B_01C17015.26DC9920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-iDJXB.A.M6C.lz697@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C17015.26DC9920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think all this debate is silly, we're talking about Modern Art or = Contemporary aesthetics, a ground which both B& F had helped bring Rock = Music to the foray of. It's not to be meant to be science, it's not the = telephone we're talking about there. I believe the word adjucate "taken = possesion of" is to be used here, just like Marcel Duchamp's ReadyMade's = when you compare them to Rauschenberg's Found Materials.=20 Now let's bash someone far more younger and more important to the = survival of our musical sense. Don't you agree with me that Limp Biskit = is the rock equivalent of N' Sync? The musicians are very well qualified = by what I can see in the videos. And I believe the guitarrist had a = history of being a forward thinking in the past (he taps for godsakes), = which he reveals when he mentions Naked City in his interviews. He's = obviously in it for the money. In the meantime this drivel clutters up = the aural "soundscape" (i was going to use landscape :P). c'mon let's bash someone who'sa bit ahead in the industry! ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C17015.26DC9920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think all this debate is silly, we're talking = about Modern=20 Art or Contemporary aesthetics, a ground which both B& F had helped = bring=20 Rock Music to the foray of. It's not to be meant to be science, it's not = the=20 telephone we're talking about there. I believe the word adjucate "taken=20 possesion of" is to be used here, just like Marcel Duchamp's ReadyMade's = when=20 you compare them to Rauschenberg's Found Materials.
 
Now let's bash someone far more younger and more = important to=20 the survival of our musical sense. Don't you agree with me that Limp = Biskit is=20 the rock equivalent of N' Sync? The musicians are very well qualified by = what I=20 can see in the videos. And I believe the guitarrist had a history of = being a=20 forward thinking in the past (he taps for godsakes), which he reveals = when he=20 mentions Naked City in his interviews. He's obviously in it for the = money. In=20 the meantime this drivel clutters up the aural "soundscape" (i was going = to use=20 landscape :P).
 
c'mon let's bash someone who'sa bit ahead in the=20 industry!
------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C17015.26DC9920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 08:28:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14229; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:57:44 -0500 Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--136223192 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Doug Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--136223192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I agree. There is no substitute for the real thing. But, since our group had no real bass player for many years, I used my Roland GR-30 to get low bass-like tones from my guitar. I used a real Fender bass amp though. This set-up worked fine. Most of the stock settings for bass on the VG-8 are weak, even through a bass amp. The Yes Bass is almost OK. I'd go with a GR. > As a bass player, I have to say that this would really only be possible > with > a fretless bass. But I'm sure that someone on here can recommend a > machine > that imitates some of the characteristics of a fretless bass. But for > "real > good fretless bass sound", there really is only one option... > > > My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What > methods are available? __________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller --Apple-Mail-1--136223192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I agree. There is no substitute for the real thing. But, since our group had no real bass player for many years, I used my Roland GR-30 to get low bass-like tones from my guitar. I used a real Fender bass amp though. This set-up worked fine. Most of the stock settings for bass on the VG-8 are weak, even through a bass amp. The Yes Bass is almost OK. I'd go with a GR. As a bass player, I have to say that this would really only be possible with a fretless bass. But I'm sure that someone on here can recommend a machine that imitates some of the characteristics of a fretless bass. But for "real good fretless bass sound", there really is only one option... My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What methods are available? Helvetica__________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller --Apple-Mail-1--136223192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 09:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15273; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:38:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c17035$c1d7af80$97d130d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:34:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17035.C00ADEC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17035.C00ADEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to have a roland GI-10 guitar to midi converter attached to an = akai s3000xl sampler. While it was no-one near as impressive sounding as = a real fretless it did sounds quite good (apart from the terrible = tracking) ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17035.C00ADEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to have a roland GI-10 guitar to = midi=20 converter attached to an akai s3000xl sampler. While it was no-one near = as=20 impressive sounding as a real fretless it did sounds quite good (apart = from the=20 terrible tracking)
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17035.C00ADEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 09:25:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17717; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:04:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:58:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On the subject of naming stuff (Frippertronics, Belewps etc), isn't it just about things being memorable? Perhaps, market driven, perhaps an affectation, or sinisterly perhaps an attempt to claim credit for things as yet unlabeled (x-ref the entire history of the British Empire). I think that there's something within contemporary western culture that drives us to label stuff (maybe it's an innate human trait, but I'm nowhere near detatched enough from my cultural context to make such a judgement) - I spent a long time trying to encapsulate what I do in a pithy way, and came up with AmbiEntertainment - partly cos it does seem to describe the tension inherent in my gigs between being a performance and me not really minding being part of a general sonic environment, but also just cos it's a cute word, that I've not heard anyone else use before (though I very much doubt that such an obvious link is completely original...) - there's an element of affectation in there, and some silliness, but also the desire in all of us to stand out in some way, which nicely brings me onto what SPG said... > >In any event I was looking for something that *I* could get my own distinct > >sound out of, as opposed to attempting to replicate the work of either > >Fripp or Eno. > >I threw out or erased more material I'd composed just because > >it sounded like someone else's stuff Is it more important to be 'original' or be 'good'? We all love the notion that we could be innovators. Some of us (DT being a bright shining beacon of innovation in our midst) are, but most of us are ostensibly assimilators (I think that perhaps every musical intention is innovative in someway, though maybe there is such a thing as negative innovation?). Is that a bad thing? Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretical terms because he was taking that which was being caried out largely in academia and then regurgitating it in a pop context (or even that which was being used in a fringe pop way, and making it a little more mainstream)? I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would be nice if peope perceived as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting sources. On a small scale, I'm fairly quick to point out to people who have had no other introduction to looping, e-bow, solo bass or whatever else I might be dabbling in at the time that I'm not the only person in the world using those things, and that what I do is a mish-mash of influences, some of whom loop, and some of whom I then list (Frisell, Manthing, Levin, Jonatha Brooke, Spearhead, Lewis Taylor, Don Ross, Stevie Wonder, Paul Hinklin etc...) I think I'd struggle to not at least sound partly like me... being me tends to get in the way of not sounding like me. Myopia about one artist can sometimes lead to clone mode, but if one's desire is to create music of substance rather than pastiche, are obvious influences a bad thing? At the moment I'm fortunate that my biggest influence (Frisell) plays a different instrument it me, and uses a whole different bunch of gear, so his reflection in my music is perhaps less obvious that it would be if I played a Klein, and anyway the things that took him to where he is, and the influences that shape me are going to be way different. Is Frisell a closet Kajagoogoo obsessive, does he dig the Spice Girls and Pantera? He certainly didn't spend two or three years touring round Europe with a second-rate Canadian singer-songwriter, and I've never played with Zorn... So I'm not going to worry about his influence blocking my individuality, or overtaking whatever else is going on in my own musical journey. In fact, it becomes a clarifying lense, as in exploring some of the compositional, improvisational and performance models that I've encountered in his work, I've obviously be drawn down other routes that work better within my skill set, sonic paradigm and gear-pile... So is it more important to be original than good? obviously a combination is preferable, but if one is choosing aims and goals, are either valid? Or is self-expression at any cost the goal? or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit of meaning, which seems to have morphed somewhere in the last few years into the pursuit of novelty... Right I'm off before I start quoting Michael Franti, high priest of all things good in the world... :o) Thoughts, clarifications, rebuttles and general musings on any or all of the above greatly appreciated - I'm still fumbling my way through alot of these questions... big love to all Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 09:54:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18594; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c17055$2b6a4380$23719818@vtr.net> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: Fw: bass sound with guitar Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:19:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17022.DFCAE6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17022.DFCAE6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You lads ever tried a Danelectro Baritone guitar or a Fender Bass VI ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Miller=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar I agree. There is no substitute for the real thing. But, since our group had no real bass player for many years, I used my = Roland GR-30 to get low bass-like tones from my guitar. I used a real = Fender bass amp though. This set-up worked fine. Most of the stock settings for bass on the VG-8 are weak, even through a = bass amp. The Yes Bass is almost OK. I'd go with a GR. As a bass player, I have to say that this would really only be = possible with a fretless bass. But I'm sure that someone on here can recommend a = machine that imitates some of the characteristics of a fretless bass. But for = "real good fretless bass sound", there really is only one option... My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What methods are available? __________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17022.DFCAE6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You lads ever tried a Danelectro Baritone guitar or = a Fender=20 Bass VI ?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Doug=20 Miller
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar

I agree. There is no substitute for the real = thing.

But,=20 since our group had no real bass player for many years, I used my Roland = GR-30=20 to get low bass-like tones from my guitar. I used a real Fender bass amp = though.=20 This set-up
worked fine.

Most of the stock settings for bass = on the=20 VG-8 are weak, even through a bass amp. The Yes Bass is almost OK. I'd = go with a=20 GR.

As a bass player, I have to say that this would really only = be=20 possible with
a fretless bass. But I'm sure that someone on here = can=20 recommend a machine
that imitates some of the characteristics of a = fretless=20 bass. But for "real
good fretless bass sound", there really is only = one=20 option...


My dream would be a real good fretless bass = sound.=20 What
methods are available?
__________________________
Doug=20 Miller
Graphic=20 Designer

http://www.dispatch.com
http://www.cccn.org
http://= home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C17022.DFCAE6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 10:41:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21708; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:16:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:16:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011118150736.61568.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try the new Boss OC-20G PolyOctave. It requires a synth pickup, and allows you to trigger bass sounds (and standard-pitch acoustic or electric sounds) polyphonically, so you can play chords and stuff. Has a nice distortion section on it, too. Much less flexible than the full GR or VG boxes, but costs less too. Later, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com And if it's up to us to bring some balance back Let it not be said it's courage that we lack -Gaia Consort, "Cry Freedom" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 10:59:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22649; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:35:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:35:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF770AD.5E0B0940@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:26:24 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: bass sound with guitar References: <001701c17055$2b6a4380$23719818@vtr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just so happens i'm selling a danelectro baritone guitar/standard guitar double neck for $400us. any interest? bobdog > You lads ever tried a Danelectro Baritone guitar or a Fender Bass VI ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Miller > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 > 6:57 AMSubject: Re: bass sound with guitar > I agree. There is no substitute for the real thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 11:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22510; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:31:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:31:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB059582B1@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:15:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; > i know that neither eno nor fripp coined that term. okay, i can't cite specific text, but i do believe the term "soundscape" was used as far back as the late 60s in refference to aural environments, not specifically in a musical sense. i'll be back with references. > what exactly is 'frippertronics' hypnodromes on 'ludes? just teasing. :^P m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 11:02:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22180; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB059582B0@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:12:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > that was a guitar designed by laurie a., wasn't it? as i recall it was just the paint job that was done by L.A. m.c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 11:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23547; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF7D672.5722E147@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:40:34 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: (OT) Who wants to review Claude's new album for the list ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Salut Its a great joy to announce to my prefered loopy community that I made it. its out. the "brand new from the factory" CD of [SeeWhat? "Electro/Acoustic/Ambient"][ Disques Office ref. 65315] is in my hands the national distribution in switzerland is done by Disques Office fribourg (official release december) Its 63 min long, 11 compositions, all instrumental, loopy, hypnotic and groovy >From the liner: This was recorded in two days, mixed in seven during aug/sept 2001 at studio ARTEFAX in Lausanne Switzerland by Bernie Amaudruz. All music was performed/recorded in realtime as a live performance. This recording is totally faithful to the variety, excitement or boredom you may experience seeing me playing live. SeeWhat? is a solo project of Claude Voit. Sequencers, loopers, analog and digital processes, midi automations/processes, midi pickups, slides, needles, bows etc... were used and triggered by hand and feets. But, the start of any sound is the acoustic guitar. It is really hard for me to write about this music: my english is so limited and frankly, I've been playing and creating this music without any concious reference to labels,artists that may follow a similar path, so I would like to send some cd's to anybody that would be eventually interested to make a colourfull review for the list in mature english. :=) Merci beaucoup Claude some links to my music for the Chaintape collective (mp3) http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/philterz/philterz.html http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html and a cool review (in french) of one of my stage appearance http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_usineagaz.htm#top And a lot more to come..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 11:33:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25436; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:11:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:11:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <86.12bb1178.292935b1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:02:57 EST Subject: lawson's missive (was kc) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >On the subject of naming stuff (Frippertronics, Belewps etc), isn't it >just about things being memorable? Perhaps, market >driven, perhaps an affectation, or sinisterly perhaps an attempt to claim >credit for things as yet unlabeled (x-ref the >entire history of the British Empire). I think that there's something within >contemporary western culture that drives us to >label stuff (maybe it's an innate human trait, but I'm nowhere near detatched >enough from my cultural context to make such a >judgement) - i'd tend towards that last..... > I spent a long time trying to encapsulate what I do in a pithy >way, and came up with AmbiEntertainment - partly >cos it does seem to describe the tension inherent in my gigs between being >a performance and me not really minding being part >of a general sonic environment, but also just cos it's a cute word, that >I've not heard anyone else use before (though I very >much doubt that such an obvious link is completely original...) my own inclinations towards self-labeling also involves a need to cleverly respond to folks when they query, 'uhhh, so , uhhh..... what kinda music do you play?' (i used to say: blues). >- there's >an element of affectation in there, and some >silliness, but also the desire in all of us to stand out in some way, which >nicely brings me onto what SPG said... >> >In any event I was looking for something that *I* could get my own distinct >> >sound out of, as opposed to attempting to replicate the work of either >> >Fripp or Eno. >> >I threw out or erased more material I'd composed just because >> >it sounded like someone else's stuff >Is it more important to be 'original' or be 'good'? We all love the notion >that we could be innovators. Some of us (DT being >a bright shining beacon of innovation in our midst) are, i consider myself to be 'forward-thinking', but not particularly innovative. >but most of us >are ostensibly assimilators (I think that perhaps >every musical intention is innovative in someway, though maybe there is >such a thing as negative innovation?). though the language is a bit different --- i said 'synthesiser', for your 'assimilator' --- that's the 'labeling' distinction that i was trying to draw..... >Is that a bad >thing? Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretical terms >because he was taking that which was being caried >out largely in academia and then regurgitating it in a pop context (or >even that which was being used in a fringe pop way, >and making it a little more mainstream)? no, i don't think so!, and, i certainly wasn't ever degrading rf's role as a **major** influence, in this oeuvre..... not at all, though someone may have misinterpreted my ridiculous blabbering thusly..... i was, though, attempting to illustrate how easily 'popular opinion' can recast 'history', and that i react very negatively to that. >I'm a firm believer in credit >where it's due, so it would be nice if peope perceived >as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting sources. .....very unusual, for musicians to do so. >On a small >scale, I'm fairly quick to point out to people who >have had no other introduction to looping, e-bow, solo bass or whatever >else I might be dabbling in at the time that I'm not >the only person in the world using those things, and that what I do is >a mish-mash of influences, some of whom loop, and some >of whom I then list (Frisell, Manthing, Levin, Jonatha Brooke, Spearhead, >Lewis Taylor, Don Ross, Stevie Wonder, Paul Hinklin >etc...) good on ya, mate..... >I think I'd struggle to not at least sound partly like me... being me tends >to get in the way of not sounding like me. Myopia >about one artist can sometimes lead to clone mode, but if one's desire >is to create music of substance rather than pastiche, >are obvious influences a bad thing? i don't think so, especially when one can validate those acknowledgements as 'respectful', as opposed to 'abusive'. >At the moment I'm fortunate that my >biggest influence (Frisell) plays a different >instrument it me, and uses a whole different bunch of gear, so his reflection >in my music is perhaps less obvious that it >would be if I played a Klein, and anyway the things that took him to where >he is, and the influences that shape me are going >to be way different. Is Frisell a closet Kajagoogoo obsessive, does he >dig the Spice Girls and Pantera? He certainly didn't >spend two or three years touring round Europe with a second-rate Canadian >singer-songwriter, and I've never played with >Zorn... So I'm not going to worry about his influence blocking my individuality, >or overtaking whatever else is going on in >my own musical journey. In fact, it becomes a clarifying lense, as in exploring >some of the compositional, improvisational >and performance models that I've encountered in his work, I've obviously >be drawn down other routes that work better within >my skill set, sonic paradigm and gear-pile... right. >So is it more important to be original than good? it's more important to be 'personal', imho. >obviously a combination >is preferable, but if one is choosing aims and >goals, are either valid? Or is self-expression at any cost the goal? or >is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit >of meaning, which seems to have morphed somewhere in the last few years >into the pursuit of novelty... i believe that you're posing such personal questions, here, that only you can answer --- what 'we' ('we', as in vonnegut's 'granfalloon'-sense) think is materially immaterial, or, well..... maybe i think it should be. >Right I'm off before I >start quoting Michael Franti, high priest of all things good in the world... >:o) would that that were so! >Thoughts, clarifications, rebuttles and general musings on any or all of >the above greatly appreciated - I'm still fumbling >my way through alot of these questions... as me is, too. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 11:39:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25586; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:06:48 EST Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mc, >hypnodromes on 'ludes? ha! you doth ref. one of my more embarassing phases. but: that was hypnodro*N*es, regardless of others' recurring spelling errors (eg, one bostonian composer). >just teasing. tease on: pfwaaaaaaa.................. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 11:48:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26286; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:28:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:28:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c1704c$e107e160$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Mike Hughes, PhD" From: "Mike Hughes, PhD" To: one less than none , LD mailing list References: <002d01c16fcf$b7212280$6c5330d5@snowmonster> Subject: Re: Chambered body on electric guitars Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:20:03 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Danish Dave: >I have noticed that some elctric gutars (Klein, Anderson etc etc) > have hollow bodies without f-holes (chambered bodies) what > affect does this have on the sound ?? It improves resonance. Resonance occurs for single solid objects when they experience maximum physical vibration for a given input (so a struck string vibrates at its resonany frequency). Solid guitars have two main resonance sources - the neck (which swings up and down like a twnaged ruler) and the body (which vibrates not unlike a drum head). The frequency spectrum of resonance and antiresonance couples with the frequencies (fundamentals and harmonics) produced by the vibrating string to make a guitar sound more complex. This is why really rigid guitars (eg graphite, and to a lesser degree, maple) have a repulation ofr sounding "sterile" - there is not tonal colour to the sound. Adding tone chambers has two effects - you make parts of the body much freer to vibrate (where the top thins for the tone chamber, you get a miniature "sound board" effect), and it inroduces the idea of there being several coupled masses with flexible parts between them (ie the solid bits and the hollow bits). Finally, the air gaps actually also haver their own resonant frequencies. So a hoollowed out guitar is going to have a far more complex tonal fingerprint, becahse you have lots of different resonances with lots of different frequencies. What happens is that when the string (fundamental or harmonic) frequency matches a (neck or body) resonance it vibrates the neck or body, which you can often feel of yuo're holding the part in question. Since energy is being lost in driving the body part, it is "sucked out" of the string - this is known as parasitic energy loss, from string to body (or neck). Since you have more resonances (and as the guitar is more flexible, they cause even more energy loss), you have a lot of dynamic range - some frequencies are a lot louder than others - and this makes the guitar sound more "lively". It also makes the guitar sound more acoustic - resonance in acoustic guitars is a real mess (since what you hear is the top, back and soundhole resonating) but is nevertheless based on a similar principle. Mike (Lecturer in Mechanical Engineering, University of Surrey) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 12:26:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27793; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:52:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:52:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.74.179] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:Klein Guitars Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:41:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2001 16:41:58.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0659140:01C1704F] Resent-Message-ID: <411a6D.A.9oG.MU-97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'd like to know if anyone out there with a Klein BF-96 would care to offer their thoughts on their guitar? Also, does anyone with a Klein have the Novax finger- board and Steinberger Trans-trem on their guitar, and if so, your thoughts on those as well? Thanks very much. Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 12:43:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29817; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:10:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:58:09 EST Subject: Re: (OT) Who wants to review Claude's new album for the list ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b7.16ec2da8.292942a1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b7.16ec2da8.292942a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit congrats claude!!!!.....this makes the pick you sent me so much more valuable.....i would love to hear your cd and attempt to review it although we all know how we feel about "criticks".....:)m --part1_b7.16ec2da8.292942a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit congrats claude!!!!.....this makes the pick you sent me so much more valuable.....i would love to hear your cd and attempt to review it although we all know how we feel about "criticks".....:)m --part1_b7.16ec2da8.292942a1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 13:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31334; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.1e22908c.29294b8f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:36:15 EST Subject: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <4xhGQB.A.AkH.MH_97@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all! In a message dated 11/18/01 8:07:25 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >my own inclinations towards self-labeling also involves a need to cleverly >respond to folks when they query, 'uhhh, so, uhhh... what kinda music >do you play?' (i used to say: blues). In the middle of your debate Hedewa7 slips in the above thought. I am continually bombarded with the same question by people from all walks of life. No doubt that it's a simple, honest question and one that deserves at least an attempt at a straightforward answer (simplicity not always being possible). But what do you do when you don't have half an hour to explain all of the little nuances and pseudo historical connections of your personal musical mythology. Critics and reviewers have called my own stuff everything from jazz to metal to electronica to whatever. Sometimes I opt for the easily generic and say "experimental" (whatever that means). Sometimes I get in an unreasonable, sarcastic snit and say "easy listening." I don't know what comes over me in such instances. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who ocassionally finds this question (sometimes) a difficult one to give a short, userfriendly answer to. T.Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 13:31:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00946; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:06:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:06:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:36:18 -0500 Subject: Tri-nome: any info available? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey y'all, question. Does anyone know of an instrument called a tri-nome? Which keeps track of multiple rhythmic cycles? Or where to find one? Or a software equivalent? Thanks, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 13:56:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02657; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:32:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:21:46 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate In-reply-to: <012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com> <012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:47 PM -0500 11/17/01, Peter Badore wrote: >And to Chris Muir: I'm fully aware of the works of Riley, Reich, and >Oliveiros. However, no one has brought out this technique to the public at >large better than Fripp & Eno, for obvious reasons. Yes, but that doesn't mean that they get any special claim on the technique. Let's say that Brittany Spears decides to get interested in looping. She is orders of magnitude more popular, and therefore would bring this technique to the public better than anyone to date. Does that give her the right to name the technique after herself (e.g. SpearsScapes, BritanyLoops) and not credit those that came before her? Popularization does not equal innovation, although to be fair, it doesn't preclude it either. >Just as Jimi Hendrix >innovated electric guitar techniques even though he didn't invent the >instrument or D.W. Griffith innovated storytelling in the movies without >inventing cameras or film (though his praising of the KKK leaves a lot to >doubt), F&E took this invention and turned it into their own separate >entities. Yes, but none of the examples that you listed had the hubris, the arrogance, the gall (mitigated or not) to name a technique after themselves and obscure the real origins. >So I must disagree that RF "didn't innovate" (you'll have to >refer to your own letter as I've already quoted the above). What I said was: >People who think that Fripp innovated much tech here should check >out "Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band", from the 1969 release "A >Rainbow in Curved Air". All the techniques of "Frippertronics" are >there. I stand by this. There was no tech innovation here. The dual tape machines of "Frippertronics" are the same dual tape machines of Riley's "Time Lag Accumulator", in pretty much the same setup. >He is indeed >worthy of the term Frippertronics (and, yes, I'm also aware that the term >started as as joke). I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new >fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno >first conceived it. Yeah, yeah, two different things. Perhaps the most appropriate response here is a quote: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ cbm@well.com | "Blind patriotism is more dangerous than http://www.xfade.com | no patriotism at all." - Benjamin Franklin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 14:05:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03507; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:45:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:45:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:34:39 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Tri-nome: any info available? In-reply-to: X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:36 PM -0500 11/18/01, todd reynolds wrote: >Hey y'all, question. Does anyone know of an instrument called a tri-nome? >Which keeps track of multiple rhythmic cycles? Or where to find one? Or a >software equivalent? Thanks, There was one you could play with at the Expolratorium here in San Francisco . It may still be there. It is a rotating cylinder with several gears with different ratios of teeth on it. You had three little levers, each of which was riding on one gear. Two of the levers were sort of click sounds, and the other one was a ding. A software equivalent would be pretty easy to cobble up in Max. Chris -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 14:05:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03261; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:31:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <7d.1e22908c.29294b8f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted said . . . I am continually bombarded with the same question by people from all walks of life. No doubt that it's a simple, honest question and one that deserves at least an attempt at a straightforward answer (simplicity not always being possible). But what do you do when you don't have half an hour to explain all of the little nuances and pseudo historical connections of your personal musical mythology. I say-- The reference point most folks have is, what radio station would your music be played on. I am guessing that a lot of what loop based folks here do is instrumental music, and not anything that would normally get played on the radio. I like to say, "popular music of the last century" when peeps ask me what kind of music I play--but of course, the loop based improvised stuff is brand new! Still sounds like old shit tho . . . Gary PS AmbiEntertainment is an elegant way to say it--can I use that, Steve? PPS Candy says hi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 14:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03840; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:52:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:37:28 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-reply-to: <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com> <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:58 PM +0000 11/18/01, Steve Lawson wrote: >On the subject of naming stuff (Frippertronics, Belewps etc), isn't >it just about things being memorable? After all, Robert Fulton didn't invent the steamboat and Arnold Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are deservedly famous for their development and exploitation of these things. >Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretical terms >because he was taking that which was being caried out largely in >academia and then regurgitating it in a pop context (or even that >which was being used in a fringe pop way, and making it a little >more mainstream)? It's worth pointing out that a lot of the innovation under discussion was actually being done _outside_ of academia, and in fact was often in reaction to the stodginess of the academic scene. >I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would be nice if >peope perceived as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting >sources. I was witness to an example of that during a panel about the early years of analog synthesizers, featuring Bob Moog and several of his associates. When the the topic of Moog's sequencer module came up Bob said, "oh, that was an idea I copped from Don Buchla." -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 14:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06634; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF80673.CE7E5E4F@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:05:23 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Who wants to review Claude's new album for the list ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > congrats claude!!!!.....this makes the pick you sent me so much more > valuable.....i would love to hear your cd and attempt to review it > although we all know how we feel about "criticks".....:)m thanks Michael I'm not scared of critics at all when they're good ;=) Seriously its more a search for outside texts that describe/label/comment/reference my music to the outside music world in real English Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 14:44:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06912; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:23:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:23:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:04:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate In-reply-to: <012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1206011630==_ma============" References: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com> <012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3hggzB.A.nmB.qiA-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1206011630==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 6:47 PM -0500 11/17/01, Peter Badore wrote: >I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new fashionable term as >"ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno first conceived >it. At 10:21 AM -0800 11/18/01, Chris Muir wrote: >Perhaps the most appropriate response here is a quote: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." "Ambient music" wasn't an original concept with Eno, either. He just followed through on the idea and made it famous, and in fact Eno credits Erik Satie as the inspiration for "Discreet Music." Satie articulated the idea of what he termed "Furniture Music" (Musique d'ameublement) in 1920. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1206011630==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate
At 6:47 PM -0500 11/17/01, Peter Badore wrote:
I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno first conceived it.

At 10:21 AM -0800 11/18/01, Chris Muir wrote:
Perhaps the most appropriate response here is a quote:
 "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

"Ambient music" wasn't an original concept with Eno, either. He just followed through on the idea and made it famous, and in fact Eno credits Erik Satie as the inspiration for "Discreet Music."  Satie articulated the idea of what he termed "Furniture Music" (Musique d'ameublement) in 1920.
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--============_-1206011630==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 14:55:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07427; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c17066$a6e9cd80$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <86.12bb1178.292935b1@aol.com> Subject: Re: lawson's missive (was kc) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:24:31 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com put forth: > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > >- there's > >an element of affectation in there, and some > >silliness, but also the desire in all of us to stand out in some way, which > >nicely brings me onto what SPG said... > > >> >In any event I was looking for something that *I* could get my own > distinct > >> >sound out of, as opposed to attempting to replicate the work of either > >> >Fripp or Eno. > >> >I threw out or erased more material I'd composed just because > >> >it sounded like someone else's stuff > > >Is it more important to be 'original' or be 'good'? We all love the notion > >that we could be innovators. Some of us (DT being > >a bright shining beacon of innovation in our midst) are, > i consider myself to be 'forward-thinking', but not particularly innovative. I think that one can be quite original and have absolutely no command of their relative instrument. In such a case being "good" (or at least sounding "good") is at best a crap shoot; but on the up side of this (and there is one!) watching someone eke what they want - or what they perceive as good - can be quite entertaining (and I don't mean this in the comedic sense, though I wouldn't rule it out!). I should say though that over the past 25 years of recording my various compositions, I finally learned one important thing once I wasn't so poor that I had to recycle my tapes at least (are you listening?): DON'T THROW OUT *ANYTHING* OF YOURS THAT YOU RECORD OR COMPOSE! Why? In a return to pop-style material several years ago, this musician/composer found himself calling up an old girlfriend from 20 years before, and futilely asking her if she still had that tape I made for her with this "really great song on it". Do I need to tell you she no longer had it? I ended up having to recompose the piece from memory. Strangely enough, it is now intact with the exception of most of the lyrics - but still it would have been far more fun, and far less time-consuming, to just have the @#$% recording that I'd recorded over sometime in 1981. Do I need to repeat it? DON'T THROW OUT *ANYTHING* OF YOURS THAT YOU RECORD OR COMPOSE! > >So is it more important to be original than good? > it's more important to be 'personal', imho. This was the substance of a rampage we had on this list several months ago, I recall. I think it's important to be original - and that's rather crucial unless one's only ambition musically is to play cover songs. At this other end of the spectrum, the more financially-lucrative, popular one, it's more important to be good, isn't it? I find myself completely in the middle on this, I'm afraid, upon introspection - but in essence I prefer to not think about it at all, and instead pursue the "not doing" of being transparent to the music you're doing. In this way one is more honest to oneself, at the very least. Even on a bad day, then, how can one criticize oneself musically? Or, as Frank Zappa put it for all of us, "Shut up and play your guitar!" Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 15:04:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07904; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:43:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:43:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:35:15 -0800 Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--112372122 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <63DD4C02-DC5B-11D5-AA6B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--112372122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed One might try the little Guild bass (don't know the model number) that uses surgical rubber for the strings. It's a tiny little bass, and I seem to remember it being cheap and doing a great job of sounding like an upright fretless bass. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 04:57 AM, Doug Miller wrote: > I agree. There is no substitute for the real thing. > > But, since our group had no real bass player for many years, I used my > Roland GR-30 to get low bass-like tones from my guitar. I used a real > Fender bass amp though. This set-up > worked fine. > > Most of the stock settings for bass on the VG-8 are weak, even through > a bass amp. The Yes Bass is almost OK. I'd go with a GR. > >> As a bass player, I have to say that this would really only be >> possible with >> a fretless bass. But I'm sure that someone on here can recommend a >> machine >> that imitates some of the characteristics of a fretless bass. But for >> "real >> good fretless bass sound", there really is only one option... >> >> >> My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What >> methods are available? > __________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer > > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller --Apple-Mail-1--112372122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII One might try the little Guild bass (don't know the model number) that uses surgical rubber for the strings. It's a tiny little bass, and I seem to remember it being cheap and doing a great job of sounding like an upright fretless bass. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 04:57 AM, Doug Miller wrote: I agree. There is no substitute for the real thing. But, since our group had no real bass player for many years, I used my Roland GR-30 to get low bass-like tones from my guitar. I used a real Fender bass amp though. This set-up worked fine. Most of the stock settings for bass on the VG-8 are weak, even through a bass amp. The Yes Bass is almost OK. I'd go with a GR. As a bass player, I have to say that this would really only be possible with a fretless bass. But I'm sure that someone on here can recommend a machine that imitates some of the characteristics of a fretless bass. But for "real good fretless bass sound", there really is only one option... My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What methods are available? __________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org http://home.columbus.rr.com/~dmiller --Apple-Mail-1--112372122-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 15:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08234; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:46:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:46:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: a very nice return/SONIC Snowflakes and then some Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:32:08 -0600 Message-ID: <01c17070$17d704a0$18a0580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---long post alert --- Hello one and all- (Dan reference, extra points for naming the song) Happily re-subscribing after having read the last month or so of posts. I am finally putting out some of my own music after refining a technique I call "Snowflaking". Man I just read that post about Belweups, etc. Thankfully i've been using the term Snowflakes for over two years! I've finished a few recordings in the last month, rather engaging sounds, utilizing three delays primarily EDP loaded, Digitech 7.6 and Digitech PDS8000 (oh and now i've put the RDS8000 back in the rack for the D3 recording). No other processors are used. wait that may be a lie, I think I have a gated reverb on one track, but now that puppy is out of the rack also. An occasional wah and distortion is heard, but all the pitching and delays are done with those three (four) units and played in real time. Alas I am not into having any of my music (or any of my other art), on-line in any capacity (this may change, if only to give the list an opportunity to hear some of my music). But I am attempting a "Will Trade for Art" campaign and hope to garner some interest and an opportunity to hear/see/experience creative works of others. My sounds are on compact disc. Basically, i'm willing to swap my SONIC Snowflaking cd for any kind of shippable/non-perishable art. See paragraph below for more info on this. silly caveat: I compose and play what I consider non-competitive music, ya either get it or ya don't. No reason to feel bad if you don't like it. No reason to make me feel bad if you don't like it either. Try to think of this music as just that, music. - The first recording entitled "SONIC Snowflakes" is a 5 song (58 mins or so, for those who demand their $$'s worth) disc recorded at my studio (currently called Spork Studios). This recording is guitar only played in real time. No computers were utilized for these recordings. There are no synths, drums, bass or any other instrument besides guitar on this recording. You'll know why i'm saying this if ya hear same. A good woman friend who is very much into current popular music asked me what the motorcycle sound was on track three. I told her guitar. It was nice to see her expression. - The second recording is called AfterMath, one track running 60 mins and recorded in one take. A six stringed instrument was used in this recording, just not in a conventional manner. Three delay units are noted above and nada else. I'm still trying to understand this one myself. But if you like almost eastern orchestral type music, you may hear (in AfterMath) that I like that type of music also. Disclaimer: I love marching bands! - the third recording is called D3, 9 songs at 72 mins (the recording gods and goddesses have been very good to me lately). This recording is more in line of what I call "Industrial Snowflakes". Seven of the nine songs are guitar only, one is bass only and another had me switching between each. I played this recently for my best friend who had not seen or heard of me for a month. He has heard me play more guitar than anyone should, lol, and he gave me a fine compliment when he heard a track called "Industrious". He looked me straight in the eye and asked me "what the f*ck are you doing?" I played live for him in my studio and he listened for close to two hours. That's the quietest i've seen him in 16 years. If you'd like to pay for any of these recording, I figure $10USD is more than enough as the art work on them is budget at best. If I stopped recording for long enough maybe i'd get some better inserts done. I'll cover shipping stateside and will find the cheapest international rates if they apply. Please contact me off list if you're interested. This is all very home grown, so patience is a plus. I'm having great fun with music again after feeling like I had not much to offer for the last five years or so. Well I should say I felt I had nothing terribly original (that's a scary word for me to use) to offer. An itty bit of background for those who are still reading. I am a musician in NYC who in the last three years have played maybe three musical dates. In that same period I did many spoken word performances and other performance art. Prior to that and a self-inflicted wound I played and composed in a few jazz fusion groups, two punk bands, one prog group and a few rock bands in addition to heaps of home studio recordings that have never been heard outside of my small circle of friends. Lastly, if there is a quick and easy way that anyone knows that I can post a few minutes of any of my recordings, please advise. I've a mighty slow connection here but am grateful for any insights. long ass post for one who rarely posts, then again I never had much reason to post. Until now. best regards, Pedro Felix aka PedrOOrdeP aka SuperSatan one half of Stereo Pair - unit I hope to play a few gigs with in Jan. 2002 one half of Abstract/ Two Track - unit that will be playing shows by Spring 2002 Post Script: I have had very little linear thought lately and for once it is a good thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 15:17:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08812; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:52:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:52:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:44:39 -0800 Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate finale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <006201c16feb$f24b3fa0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one last thing to say on this topic: Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah blah. Blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah. Blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah Balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah bala. Oh yeah, and I invented the Rutles! Yeah they stole it from me! Frank Sinatra too! Yeah! I invented Frank Sinartra! Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 08:46 PM, Peter Badore wrote: > To Hedawa7 for the last time: > > 1. I refuse to capitalize your entire name in a childish effort to > boost > your ego. The heading doesn't do so, and neither will I. > > 2. > again, i understood you to mean 'all' or 'most' loopists, not just > those >> arising from the legions of robert's quasi-disciples. > You still think I'm calling every looper a soundscaper. I don't know > how > you got started with that crap. Please read my original message again > carefully and with consideration this time, if you still have it on > file. I > was making a simple observation about a few of my fellow > "quasi-disciples". > Talk about minor ignorance! I have to blow my nose, now. > > 3. > while idiosyncratic 'synthesis/incorporation' may well include > some > elements >> & traces of 'innovation', i generally think of the word 'innovation' as >> implying an actual genesis:birth of something 'new'; > Webster's defines "innovation": "1. the act or process of innovating; > 2. > something newly introduced; new method, custom, device, etc.; change in > the > way of doing things". Think about that last part: "change in the way > of > doing things." My argument stands. You can only work with what you > have, > but you can take it to another level. That's how life works. > > 4. > .....seems to me that it's pretty common in the art/music world > for > highly >> visible 'synthesisers' to become regarded as innovators, due in large >> part > to >> baseline consensus realities created by mass-distributed 'secondary' > media, >> eg advertisements, magazines, television events, et al, and agreed >> upon, > to >> some degree, 'by default': the baseline. >> (which also implies that the american concept of 'rugged individualism' > is, >> well, kinda busted..... at least at the baseline). >> *-) >> sorry, but: >> whaddya think? > I think synthesizers are highly innovated, but everything depends on the > player. A car is only as good as the driver. I don't give a damn what > the > media portrays, but I also don't give a damn about people who ignore > changing times. I was one of the latter for a ten-year period: > Nothing but > oldies rock and hard bop, and that followed a period where I had started > taking an interest in electronic music for a short period of time. Too > complicated to go into, but I practically had to start all over again > when I > woke up (hey, I'm not perfect, either!). But I digress. I still face > a lot > of poo-pooing about my "sudden change of character", as described by > several > people. I like my GR-33 and other new effects, but to each one's own. > Although I'm aware of the control few people have over it, I grow tired > of > the media being blamed for everything. For crying out loud, 2001 is > almost > over! Move on! > > > 5. >storytime: >> some years ago, i was playing w/a -errrmmmm- 'major' artist. >> we were in rehearsal, and at one point, he was playing guitar; >> i approached him to find out the fingering/inversion of the chord that >> he > was >> playing. >> i said: 'so, what exactly are ya playing, there?' >> he seemed to slightly misinterpret my intention, and replied (nearly >> fatuously): >> 'isn't this a nice chord? i invented it, last night'. >> my rejoinder was: 'actually, it sounds like a G-Maj triad over Eb, or >> an >> EbMaj7, b13, contextually', but >> he turned away, non-plussed, obviously self-satisfied with his recent >> invention. > Here you have my sympathy, but I've learned over the years it's useless > to > try and point these things out. We all have egos and you just gotta go > with > the flow. Did you compliment him on his chord? > > > 6. > okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out..... > HUH??? > > 7. (My quote) >I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new >>> fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when >>> Eno >>> first conceived it. > (Yours) > neither of the 2 terms has any meaning for me, anymore, > personally: >> s'just a buncha presumably organised verbal blather, bleached of >> meaning > by a >> largely numb audience painfully over-eager to define (and be enslaved >> by) >> idioms. > Whatever. I was joking, y'know. > > 8. Finally, I couldn't get the damned Repeater to work! Now I gotta go > back tomorrow! > > No hard feelings but I don't deny my bluntness, > PB > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 15:20:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09254; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:58:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:58:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c1706a$3133b0c0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com> <012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate (warning! longish post!) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:49:51 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0qnlIB.A.aGC.4DB-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Chris Muir" put forth: > At 6:47 PM -0500 11/17/01, Peter Badore wrote: > >And to Chris Muir: I'm fully aware of the works of Riley, Reich, and > >Oliveiros. However, no one has brought out this technique to the public at > >large better than Fripp & Eno, for obvious reasons. > > Yes, but that doesn't mean that they get any special claim on the > technique. Let's say that Brittany Spears decides to get interested > in looping. She is orders of magnitude more popular, and therefore > would bring this technique to the public better than anyone to date. > Does that give her the right to name the technique after herself > (e.g. SpearsScapes, BritanyLoops) and not credit those that came > before her? If Ms. Spears, or for that matter, Mariah Carey or Janet Jackson (or even Michael!) wanted to get into looping work, or just wanted to use it in her music, I'd be one of the first to jump up and volunteer. I see an awful lot of really boring uses of looping in today's music, and consider it a mission to meld ambient-looping with pop. IMNSHO, it legitimizes pop artistically. In the meantime I'm not averse to any of the above calling me up for session work. Okay, actually ANYONE. > >Just as Jimi Hendrix > >innovated electric guitar techniques even though he didn't invent the > >instrument or D.W. Griffith innovated storytelling in the movies without > >inventing cameras or film (though his praising of the KKK leaves a lot to > >doubt), F&E took this invention and turned it into their own separate > >entities. > > Yes, but none of the examples that you listed had the hubris, the > arrogance, the gall (mitigated or not) to name a technique after > themselves and obscure the real origins. I have to soft-pedal this and defend Mr. Fripp for a moment (so I'm not impartial! Sheesh!). I don't think RF called it "Frippertronics" out of a sense of arrogance or gall, if I might be so assumptive. Think of this: "Frippery" is defined thusly by a number of dictionaries: frip·per·y n. pl. frip·per·ies : 1. Pretentious, showy finery. 2. Pretentious elegance; ostentation. 3. Something trivial or nonessential. (Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- frippery \Frip"per*y\, a. Trifling; contemptible. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- So think of this - RF's name wasn't a stage name, and he had to grow up with the above meanings. His famous contempt for the ongoing business of music production is a given. He's British, and possesses a sense of humour that's certainly dry and in some cases inaccessible at best. On this basis I find it highly suitable to name the process "Frippertronics" in opposition to the kind of enforced labelling one encounters in the established music biz, if not as a closed-circle joke on all the reviewers and A&R execs, while in fact giving them the label they desire. > >So I must disagree that RF "didn't innovate" (you'll have to > >refer to your own letter as I've already quoted the above). > > What I said was: > >People who think that Fripp innovated much tech here should check > >out "Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band", from the 1969 release "A > >Rainbow in Curved Air". All the techniques of "Frippertronics" are > >there. > > I stand by this. There was no tech innovation here. The dual tape > machines of "Frippertronics" are the same dual tape machines of > Riley's "Time Lag Accumulator", in pretty much the same setup. And at no time have I ever seen RF write that he originated or otherwise created the process. It's a moot point to me. > >He is indeed > >worthy of the term Frippertronics (and, yes, I'm also aware that the term > >started as as joke). I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new > >fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno > >first conceived it. Yeah, yeah, two different things. The term "ambient music" will naturally be replaced by something else in the future. At times I wonder that the term isn't a poisonous one in the UK, and wonder that the next term probably will also. I've been told on several occasions by musicians here who learned traditionally, and went to college for it, that the established music community here considers ambient music "easy", and therefore beneath contempt, since it's assumed that "anyone can do it." I violently differ with this snotty attitude, as one can expect, but what can ya do with people who have had it pounded into them what "can't be done"? The above is not by any means a castigation of traditional music education and pursuit. I have been to quite a number of orchestral shows and love all kinds of music; and I have a great deal of respect for anyone who goes after it in any way. Similarly I am fairly sure that a lot of the folks who dump on Other Music Than Their Favorites have a big respect problem of their own, and thus I do not seek to educate nor denigrate their learned craft. Your own mileage may vary. Loud report. Light and walk away. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 15:24:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10654; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c1706b$710be0e0$5757e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com> <012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:58:49 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5ac79.A.tKC.rGB-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Ambient music" wasn't an original concept with Eno, either. He just > followed through on the idea and made it famous, and in fact Eno > credits Erik Satie as the inspiration for "Discreet Music." Satie > articulated the idea of what he termed "Furniture Music" (Musique > d'ameublement) in 1920. Yes - Here's the Eno reference Richard is mentioning: http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/discreet-txt.html And thanks Richard for the link you "discreetly" posted the other day: http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Histories/SoundscapeComposition.htm It's a useful look into the history "soundscapes" from the academic viewpoint. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 15:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09289; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:58:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c1706a$7887e220$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: References: <39.1dc1fcdd.2927e5f0@aol.com><012001c16fc2$43f2aac0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:51:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *sigh* Okay. To Hedewa7: Sorry I misspelled it. If I don't have it right this time, forget it. If I have it right, forget it as well. Chris: You fail to combine Fripp's playing technique with the use of looping, which is really what Frippertronics is all about. I already stated (and you quoted me on it) that the term started out as a joke, just as I already explained earlier that my line about Soundscapes becoming the new fashionable term was also humorous. My version of Soundscapes follows this approach, and if I come up with a different term obviously no harm will come as well. I can just imagine what will happen: We'll all have our own labels for our performances, get all bent out of shape when someone calls it something else, and keep a heavy supply of hankies by our sides. I just read Richard Zvonar's message and couldn't agree more. Britney Spears (to use your comparison) wouldn't know the first thing to do without some major producer by her side. Maybe I AM one of those Fripp zombies, but I think few people would disagree here that he takes music to a completely different and unknown level. The bottom line is he makes it his own. That, too, is innovation. Finally, Rich & Jason: If there is ever a LD t-shirt that displays "Grab a hanky and blow" anywhere on it I am deserving of a free one. I'm going to have to start copyrighting my messages from now on. I take extra large. Please inform me of the colors again. I, too, have an ego. And a sense of humor, I hope everyone has realized. Now back to bass mimicking and other things! Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 16:31:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15497; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:06:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:49:56 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar In-reply-to: <63DD4C02-DC5B-11D5-AA6B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <63DD4C02-DC5B-11D5-AA6B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:35 AM -0800 11/18/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >One might try the little Guild bass (don't know the model number) >that uses surgical rubber for the strings. It's a tiny little bass, >and I seem to remember it being cheap and doing a great job of >sounding like an upright fretless bass. http://www.algonet.se/~ashbory/home.html http://www.ashelec.demon.co.uk/ashbory.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 16:57:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17045; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:35:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:35:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c17173$26d5ad40$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:25:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why don't you try a Baritone guitar, there's new one from Danelectro for $250, it's called a, "Innuendo". 30inch neck, built in effects, tuned B / B. String gauges, 14 to 68. tremelo bridge. It's like a strat,, but with a long neck, and big strings. Dirt cheap, try one. www.danelectro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 3:21 AM Subject: bass sound with guitar > I'd love to be able to sometimes play bass on my guitar. The harmonizer bass > settings suck. My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What > methods are available? If I had a Roland hexaphonic pickup, could I create a > fretless bass sound with some synth or VG8 like device? > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 17:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17222; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:38:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:38:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011118213035.37907.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:30:35 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #677 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200111182005.PAA10884@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is Frisell a closet Kajagoogoo > obsessive, does he > >dig the Spice Girls and Pantera? umm...don't tell anyone, but I dig the spice girls AND pantera! i'm so embarrassed though... > I am continually bombarded with the same question by > people from > all walks of life. No doubt that it's a simple, > honest question and > one that deserves at least an attempt at a > straightforward answer > (simplicity not always being possible). But what do > you do when you > don't have half an hour to explain all of the little > nuances and > pseudo historical connections of your personal > musical mythology. i know this feeling. i try to take a different musical path just to make it emotionally relevant for myself. but when yer in college and someone asks you what kind of stuff you play, it seems like if you don't say phish or radiohead then people have no comparisons to make. i admittedly borrow plenty from michael brook, lisa gerrard, ethnic music, etc, but not only are my influences more emotional/intellectual/spiritual vs sonic, but no one at school knows who the fuck i'm talking about anyway. on the bizkit post, i have never really enjoyed that band, though once i sat down and listened, i thought wes was doing some very interesting things on the guitar. there are some lovely ambient tones that he comes up with that are really an antithesis to the whole fred durst machismo image. i was glad to hear he left the band, i'm looking forward to hearing his solo album. after reading a couple interviews, he really seemed too intelligent for that band in the first place, but i'm betting the money had to be good. i was talking to dallas schoo, who is the Edge's guitar tech, and he was saying that he had also toured with bizkit and that wes is a very sweet and clever guy, for what that's worth. peace, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 18:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22372; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:55:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:55:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Muir wrote: >Let's say that Brittany Spears decides to get interested >in looping. She is orders of magnitude more popular, and therefore >would bring this technique to the public better than anyone to date. >Does that give her the right to name the technique after herself >(e.g. SpearsScapes, BritanyLoops) and not credit those that came >before her? and- >Yes, but none of the examples that you listed had the hubris, the >arrogance, the gall (mitigated or not) to name a technique after >themselves and obscure the real origins. Hey Gang- It occurs to me that we are defining Frippertronics as being only the physical technique of looping, that the "heartless venal one" was in a sense putting his copyright/trademark on that technique. I always thought it was simply a description for the end product, which wouldn't have existed without the musical input of RF. So I'm not sure if we're talking about arrogance or gall here, perhaps only a showman's clever turn of phrase to satisfy the need for a compelling capsule description of a rather oblique process... Mark P.S. Yes, I am somewhat biased, I saw RF do Frippertronics live at the Mabuhay Gardens (a loop from this show exists as "1989" on Let the Power Fall), and it was powerful musical experience for me. And as wondeful as "1989" still sounds, I wish you (and I!) could here it with the original soloing present. A shame that marvelous night went into the ether... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 18:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13034; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:41:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:41:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017001c17071$457cb2a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com> <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:40:32 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: 18 November 2001 18:37 PM Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... > At 1:58 PM +0000 11/18/01, Steve Lawson wrote: > >On the subject of naming stuff (Frippertronics, Belewps etc), isn't > >it just about things being memorable? > > After all, Robert Fulton didn't invent the steamboat and Arnold > Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are deservedly > famous for their development and exploitation of these things. > > > >Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretical terms > >because he was taking that which was being caried out largely in > >academia and then regurgitating it in a pop context (or even that > >which was being used in a fringe pop way, and making it a little > >more mainstream)? > > It's worth pointing out that a lot of the innovation under discussion > was actually being done _outside_ of academia, and in fact was often > in reaction to the stodginess of the academic scene. > > > >I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would be nice if > >peope perceived as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting > >sources. > > I was witness to an example of that during a panel about the early > years of analog synthesizers, featuring Bob Moog and several of his > associates. When the the topic of Moog's sequencer module came up Bob > said, "oh, that was an idea I copped from Don Buchla." It should also be pointed out that Moog worked with the inventive genius Raymond Scott during the 50s, when he was just a pup. Scott invented a variety of eclectic electronic music-generating devices, and their results are available via the finer-than-fine Basta Records at http://194.178.62.202/scripts/catalogus.cgi?cat_no=4 And they're fine human beans too. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 18:37:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24437; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:13:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:02:57 -0800 Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well alot of answers to this question were good but had prerequisites:buy synth-go midi-buy a new/different guitar,amps-etc. here is what i do-send the guitar signal thru red or black. and just using the on/off(bypass) button,not the sweep pedal you get a 100% wet 1 octave or 2 octave down pitch which tracks true and clear(as long as you are playing single notes).and depending on your touch you can simulate fretless. all my loops contain a bass line. that worx good for me.your mileage may vary. stanner on 11/18/01 3:21 AM, Michael Peters at mpeters@csi.com wrote: > I'd love to be able to sometimes play bass on my guitar. The harmonizer bass > settings suck. My dream would be a real good fretless bass sound. What > methods are available? If I had a Roland hexaphonic pickup, could I create a > fretless bass sound with some synth or VG8 like device? > > = michael peters > = computer graphics + electronic music > = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 19:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26886; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:56:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.204.73.94] From: "Chris Olden" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:Looping gear advice Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:46:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2001 23:46:24.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BAA0DD0:01C1708B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'd like to work some looping gear into my current set-up with the goals of keeping myself entertained and eventually(hopefully) maybe doing a little gigging around town. I have been looking at the Oberheim Digital Echoplex for a while, but now I see that Electrix has a cool little box out for loopers. Any thoughts on the pros and cons of these two units? What about effects units(rackmount)? What's out there that's not an arm and a leg.(a'la a top of the line Eventide) Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Chris Olden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 19:30:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28572; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:06:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:56:27 +0000 Subject: Labels... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehman said - >>PS AmbiEntertainment is an elegant way to say it--can I use that, Steve?<< Of course, with credit where it's due... LOL >>PPS Candy says hi<< And me says hi back! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 19:30:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28554; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:06:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:06:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:56:27 +0000 Subject: Original or 'good'?? From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I think it's important to be original - and that's rather crucial unless one's only ambition musically is to play cover songs.<< Why's that then? It would seem to me that the continuum that stretches from completely unprecedented innovation through to tribute bands is a little more analogue that the above sentence would suggest - would it not even be possible to make deeply moving, exquisite music that happened to be hopelessly derivative without being 'cover songs'? Again, throwing out more questions than solid answers... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 20:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30880; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:48:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:48:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:39:39 +0000 Subject: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> It occurs to me that we are defining Frippertronics as being only the physical technique of looping, that the "heartless venal one" was in a sense putting his copyright/trademark on that technique. I always thought it was simply a description for the end product, which wouldn't have existed without the musical input of RF.<<< why on earth am I getting into this? but anyway... Perhaps it's just a way of labelling sounds on an album that are made with a guitar that don't sound like it. When I've done bits of session stuff where i've used E-Bow and pitch shift to create textural stuff, I've always wanted some kind of term that doesn't involve me listing 'e-bow bass, reverbed bass, strummed bass etc. etc.' or adding some text to someone else's sleeve notes saying something like 'all the synth sounds on track xxx are on a bass..' - it'd be much easier to credit me with what I get listed as in one band 'bass and weirdness', and leave it to people to research it if they want to know what that's about. For Fripp, perhaps Frippertronics is a way of claiming those sounds that could've been keyboards or whatever... ...then again, perhaps not Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 20:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31072; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:54:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:54:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c17093$95771f80$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Original or 'good'?? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:46:09 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Steve Lawson" put forth: > >>I think it's important to be original - and that's rather crucial > unless one's only ambition musically is to play cover songs.<< > > Why's that then? It would seem to me that the continuum that stretches from > completely unprecedented innovation through to tribute bands is a little > more analogue that the above sentence would suggest - would it not even be > possible to make deeply moving, exquisite music that happened to be > hopelessly derivative without being 'cover songs'? The original questions posed about this were polarized in the good vs. bad mode. I responded in kind. The actual response perhaps should have been, "Does it make you happy? Shut up and play then!" :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 20:41:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00847; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:15:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:15:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:06:27 -0800 Subject: harmonizer within reaktor 3? From: e o To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for all the help with the fx/looping software for powerbook question. an additional inquiry: has anyone using reaktor 3 (w/powerbook) had any luck with doing live harmonization? how does it sound (say - compared to a nice digitech box)? thanks again, eo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 20:46:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01438; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: re:Looping gear advice Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:11:16 -0600 Message-ID: <01c1709f$782535a0$04a3580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <-qVVyC.A.WQ.j2F-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris - There is a wealth of information in the LD archives, just type in a few buzz words and you're off. My one bit of advice though: Don't buy it until you've tried it. A strange thing happens with loopers and it seems gear happy folks when hunting for tools. They (hell me too) forget that we are all rather precise individuals. Namely the buyer (X) takes it for granted that anyone's (Y's) opinion on how a piece of gear is going to fit with what X is doing or wanting to do. Irrespective of the fact that Y may apply those very same tools in a decidedly different manner than X may and most likely for different results. Good luck finding the looper that works with what you're going for. best regards, Pedro Felix -----Original Message----- From: Chris Olden To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, November 18, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: re:Looping gear advice > > Hello, > I'd like to work some looping gear into my current > set-up with the goals of keeping myself entertained > and eventually(hopefully) maybe doing a little gigging > around town. > I have been looking at the Oberheim Digital Echoplex > for a while, but now I see that Electrix has a cool > little box out for loopers. Any thoughts on the pros > and cons of these two units? > What about effects units(rackmount)? What's out there > that's not an arm and a leg.(a'la a top of the line > Eventide) > Thanks in advance. > Sincerely, > Chris Olden > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 21:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02056; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:40:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:40:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c17091$a9091c80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com><00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:32:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <1SRaFB.A.Ea.lEG-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those that have implied that Fripp claims to have "invented" looping, and to those that think that Fripp labeled his approach Frippertronics as some sort of ego-maniacal trademark - I think you're wrong. Why not actually research what Fripp has said on the subject himself?? It took me about 15 minutes to find this. >From a Guitar Player interview with Fripp, January 1986: GP - When did Frippertronics originate? RF - Originally, the system was introduced to me by Brian Eno. I worked with him on it for the piece of music that became No Pussyfooting, which was recorded in July 1972 and released I 1973. I began working on it on my own in June and July 1977, when I was living in New York. Frippertronics as such went public for the first time in February 1978 at The Kitchen [a New York arts and performance gallery], where I was giving a solo concert. I needed a name for it, so I came up with "Frippertronics" because it was silly. Then it went very, very public in 1979 with a four-month solo tour - two months in Europe and two in America. And it was there, actually in front of people - in record shops, pizza parlors, record offices, small cinemas, museums, all matter of places - that I began to learn to work with it pretty well. I would run the tape back and improvise on top of it. The original form was with two Revox tape recorders, but now I'm working with the Electro-Harmonix 16 second Digital Delay. It was advertised as a Fripp In The Box. It's far smaller, quicker, and easier to set up than two Revoxes. Although, the sounds one gets are quite different. The quality I nowhere near the same as the two Revoxes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 21:11:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02482; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:47:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:47:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.17.218] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:38:29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 01:38:30.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[E459A800:01C1709A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excuse me, but isn't that "Lawsontronics"? Max >When I've done bits of session stuff where >i've used E-Bow and pitch shift to create textural stuff, I've always >wanted >some kind of term that doesn't involve me listing 'e-bow bass, reverbed >bass, strummed bass etc. etc.' _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 21:19:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03273; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:58:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c1709c$a0b96c00$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: References: Subject: Sottilaro's last message Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:50:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0LobZC.A.Wp.MVG-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate finale > I have one last thing to say on this topic: > > Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah > blah. Blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah > bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah. Blah > blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah > Balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah > blah blah, blah blah bala. > > Oh yeah, and I invented the Rutles! Yeah they stole it from me! Frank > Sinatra too! Yeah! I invented Frank Sinartra! > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 08:46 PM, Peter Badore wrote: [end quote] I left this last line in to show everyone whom Mark was addressing in particular in case anyone deleted this message previously. Frankly, Mark, I find your comments idiotic and hurtful. If I don't want to get involved in a particular topic I don't bother responding. I'm hurt bad enough that I was accused of saying something I did not say. But even those I responded to were light-hearted about the whole thing. The above, however, is inexcusable. One of the points of having these chats involves debating & controversy at times (and a little humor doesn't hurt if it's done properly; I howled at Tim Nelson & especially Rich's messages). If you think a subject is too boring for you, delete the messages on your inbox and forget about the whole thing. Why must some people need to be taken by the hand? Even as a joke, what is the point of this whole "invented" B.S.? What does that have to do with what we've been discussing? You still don't understand what "innovation" means, even after a dictionary quote, but I said I wasn't going to dwell on the subject anymore. This after I thanked you publicly for your earlier advice. Oh, and to respond to that advice: I was looking for a way to retain the original stereo signal from the GR-33; I already have a TC G-Major to create a new one. I don't particularly go for Digitech other than the Whammy, but would have been willing to buy something if it did the job I wanted. My personal taste, so, please, nobody bombard me with disagreements. I'm not interested. And my advice to anyone here who obviously enjoys attacking people: Read messages a second time or so before you assume someone's insulting you. If you don't understand something, let them know. I didn't join this chat line to be a villain! I want to believe that anyone who spends a lot of time working with and discussing technology has at least a fairly high intelligence quotient. This should include common sense. It amazes me how many Wile E. Coyotes there are out there. Last time, this time for sure (mainly to punish you, Mark): I did not attack the entire looping universe. I made a comparison regarding downloading sites by a few people who labelled their work "Soundscapes" and noted they sounded more like Frippertronics. I NEVER EVER said Robert Fripp (or anyone, for that matter) invented the looping system (or anyTHING, for that matter). The only thing I erred was misspelling Hedewa7 and I've already apologized. Now, please, everyone: GROW UP. And try to show and understanding when reading & communicating. Good night all, Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 21:37:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05493; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:13:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:13:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010c01c1709e$8970cfa0$fb0217d1@preinsta> From: "ammegand" To: References: <01c17070$17d704a0$18a0580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: a very nice return/SONIC Snowflakes and then some Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:04:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm. I would like to check out your work. Sounds very interesting. Right now I am waiting for a check to clear, I'll get back to you about it. Congratulations on breaking through what seems like a pretty big block! ammegand From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 22:33:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10704; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:08:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:08:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF87628.308A48FB@helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:02:00 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Looper's Delight Vol 1 CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just thought I'd let everyone know the original looper's delight CD Vol. 1 is no longer available with the full color cover. I'm happy to say the complete pressing and covers are sold out with sales to everywhere from the US to Europe and even Japan and Russia :) The Cd is still available as a CDr with a generic track listing cover for $10 US, $12 Canada and the World (Price does includes shipping) You can order online via Paypal at: http://www.users.voicenet.com/~legion/catalog.html this address will be changing shortly as i have finally registered a domain for the label so in the future you can find this CD, ordering info, and all our releases and live show information starting at Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com Thanks for making the CD such an artistic success! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 22:41:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10972; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:13:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:03:31 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007101c170a6$c55a5c40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <86.12bb1178.292935b1@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lawson >> Is that a bad thing? Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretical terms because he was taking that which was being caried out largely in academia and then regurgitating it in a pop context (or even that which was being used in a fringe pop way, and making it a little more mainstream)? DT > no, i don't think so!, and, i certainly wasn't ever degrading rf's role as a **major** influence, in this oeuvre..... not at all, though someone may have misinterpreted my ridiculous blabbering thusly..... i was, though, attempting to illustrate how easily 'popular opinion' can recast 'history', and that i react very negatively to that. It's quite easy to take Fripp's fairly standoffish public 'stance' as pretention and extrapolate all sorts of other faults and fallacies to his practices. So many of us have had a very long-held love/hate releationship with his music and personna... I tend to think that because he's had such a *major* impact, that it's easy to resent folks overlooking many of those we all seem to consider essential milestones. Lawson >> I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would be nice if peope perceived as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting sources..... very unusual, for musicians to do so. Sometimes it feels like you're abandoning a hard-earned 'atmosphere' created by the music at a performance, to take any time talking about other aspects of a performance. I find myself most engaged by either complete folksiness, or complete muteness and letting the music speak on it's own. I certainly think liner notes and interviews are places where these credits could be communicated? DT > it's more important to be 'personal', imho. That's what makes it art as opposed to craft for me... The subject of originality sometimes seems so completely focused on creating, seemingly from scratch with no references to other people's work, etc. The folk tradition otoh, focuses on taking given forms and breathing new life into them. I'm wondering where the middle ground between these two might lie; while avoiding comparisons to bland, banal forms we all seem to loathe here? Some of the Euro bands like Hedningarna and Garmarna seem to have a very cool blend of modern instrumentation and mythic storytelling, without resorting to the gypsy-and-shawl personna. (This is all about my selfish quest to comingle my folkie-self with my skronky-improv-self!) Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 22:50:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12340; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: a very nice return/SONIC Snowflakes and then some Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:15:33 -0600 Message-ID: <01c170b0$d5095c40$04a3580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ammegand - many thanks. i'm floating. if you have any of your music please feel free to trade me instead. i'm more interested in art than money right now. If and when you send me your shipping address please be sure to do so off list. best regards, Pedro -----Original Message----- From: ammegand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: a very nice return/SONIC Snowflakes and then some >hmm. I would like to check out your work. Sounds very interesting. Right >now I am waiting for a check to clear, I'll get back to you about it. >Congratulations on breaking through what seems like a pretty big block! > >ammegand > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 22:52:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12403; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011119032230.63134.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:22:30 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: original vs. good To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think I'd struggle to not at least sound partly like >me... being me tends to get in the way of not sounding >like me I think that's exactly it! You can't NOT be original. If you gave everyone in the world a red crayon and told them to draw a house each would be unique. Originality seems to be an obsession ( the age we live in?) when it's the easiest thing in the world! There is nothing more unoriginal than trying to be original. ; ) - AS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 23:16:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13965; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:52:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:52:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011119034314.65837.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-4n0j.A.DSD.q_H-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Landman wrote: > Chris Muir wrote: > >Let's say that Brittany Spears decides to get > interested > >in looping. She is orders of magnitude more > popular, and therefore > >would bring this technique to the public better > than anyone to date. > >Does that give her the right to name the technique > after herself > >(e.g. SpearsScapes, BritanyLoops) and not credit > those that came > >before her? Actually she has the "right" to do exactly that. Companies co-opt all the time. If someone, out of ignorance believes that Brittany invented looping, and through sheer laziness does not investigate and misses out on hearing all the loopers that came before - the loss is theirs - and no fault but their own. i.e. let the buyer beware. -AS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 18 23:38:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16571; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:15:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:15:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: bass sound with guitar Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:07:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I forgot about these. They are GREAT little numbers! I was shocked at how nice they played and sounded when I tried one last year. You can probably pick one up for about $250 or $275 new if you get a good deal. That's cheaper than many effects and you will definitely get a very nice fretless upright sound for the money. They are also very compact and easy to tote. And they have fret lines that are especially helpful for those who aren't familiar with fretless instruments. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass sound with guitar At 11:35 AM -0800 11/18/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >One might try the little Guild bass (don't know the model number) >that uses surgical rubber for the strings. It's a tiny little bass, >and I seem to remember it being cheap and doing a great job of >sounding like an upright fretless bass. http://www.algonet.se/~ashbory/home.html http://www.ashelec.demon.co.uk/ashbory.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 00:22:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20795; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:01:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:01:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "christopher white" To: Subject: Michael Karoli of Can Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:50:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c170b5$b9b2d160$a9bef118@CTHULUDEATHBEAT> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Karoli, of Can, died yesterday, Nov. 17th I for one will miss him Regards, c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 00:56:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22499; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:31:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011119001454.00805100@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:14:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: original vs. good In-Reply-To: <20011119032230.63134.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:22 PM 11/18/01 -0800, you wrote: >You can't NOT be original. >If you gave everyone in the world a red crayon and >told them to draw a house each would be unique. >Originality seems to be an obsession ( the age we live >in?) when it's the easiest thing in the world! I dunno; in a perfect world that view might hold water, but in this case it's skewed by the fact that there's already someone who's been drawing houses with red crayons for many years. Even though he wasn't the first one to do so, and really never claimed to be, he's developed such a notorious public profile as a red crayon house artiste (often making authoritative and possibly pedantic proclamations regarding 'proper' technique) that others who likewise choose to sketch dwellings with sticks of crimson wax are sometimes sorely tempted to peek over at his desk to see how it's 'supposed to be' done (or what brand of crayon he favors, or the angle at which he holds his wrist while drawing). And those who DON'T overtly copy his style, even those who'd never even heard of him, find that THEIR red crayon house drawings are continually being compared and contrasted to/with the more famous guy's, fairly/accurately or (more often) not, no matter how 'original' their approach. -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 01:05:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23089; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:41:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:41:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:33:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Tri-nome: any info available? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks chris, I'm beginning to work with max tomorrow with a teacher... T. On 11/18/01 1:34 PM, "Chris Muir" wrote: > At 12:36 PM -0500 11/18/01, todd reynolds wrote: >> Hey y'all, question. Does anyone know of an instrument called a tri-nome? >> Which keeps track of multiple rhythmic cycles? Or where to find one? Or a >> software equivalent? Thanks, > > There was one you could play with at the Expolratorium here in San > Francisco . It may still be there. It > is a rotating cylinder with several gears with different ratios of > teeth on it. You had three little levers, each of which was riding on > one gear. Two of the levers were sort of click sounds, and the other > one was a ding. > > A software equivalent would be pretty easy to cobble up in Max. > > Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 02:25:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30674; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:03:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF8AD34.5B53@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:56:53 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: original vs. good References: <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <3.0.5.32.20011119001454.00805100@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >You can't NOT be original. > > >Originality seems to be an obsession ( the age we live > >in?) when it's the easiest thing in the world! Perhaps ,If one always fallowed ones heart and was simply oneself at all times.I find simplicity to be among the hardest things to do/be and originality to be among the most simple. I do agree that the attempt to be original usually insures being more influenced by everyone else. BTW Steve-I am a closet Kajagoogoo fan. PEACE, Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 04:02:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06343; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:37:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:37:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:27:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping gear advice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <530DEEB0-DCC7-11D5-AA6B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if you search recent archives, you'll see that there are a few camps in the Loop device of choice. The Echoplex and the Repeater are pretty much the "top of the loop chain." I went with the Repeater, as I was very keen on having a stereo looping device with a LOT of memory for around $500. There were a few snags in the first operating system, but they've since been worked out and I love my Repeater. I find it's 4 track recording ability and programmable stereo effect loop to be amazing in the ability to mangle loops. The Echoplex also has a lot of great features too, like the ability to go directly into overdub after you end a loop on the first time. Repeater doesn't do that. You have to end record (thus starting the loop) and go back into record a second later. I don't find this to be too much of a set back, but others have stated it's of supreme importance. I don't think you can really go wrong with either device though, it more depends on what you like. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 03:46 PM, Chris Olden wrote: > > Hello, > I'd like to work some looping gear into my current > set-up with the goals of keeping myself entertained > and eventually(hopefully) maybe doing a little gigging > around town. > I have been looking at the Oberheim Digital Echoplex > for a while, but now I see that Electrix has a cool > little box out for loopers. Any thoughts on the pros > and cons of these two units? > What about effects units(rackmount)? What's out there > that's not an arm and a leg.(a'la a top of the line > Eventide) > Thanks in advance. > Sincerely, > Chris Olden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 04:04:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06458; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:39:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:39:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:30:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Sottilaro's last message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004801c1709c$a0b96c00$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <6MX63.A.PcB.cNM-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I'm sorry. I meant Frank Sinatra the superintendent of public schools in Perth Amboy, NJ. He's my dad's uncle. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 05:50 PM, Peter Badore wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate finale > > >> I have one last thing to say on this topic: >> >> Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah >> blah >> blah. Blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah >> bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah. >> Blah >> blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah >> Balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah >> blah blah, blah blah bala. >> >> Oh yeah, and I invented the Rutles! Yeah they stole it from me! Frank >> Sinatra too! Yeah! I invented Frank Sinartra! >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 08:46 PM, Peter Badore wrote: [end > quote] > > I left this last line in to show everyone whom Mark was addressing in > particular in case anyone deleted this message previously. Frankly, > Mark, I > find your comments idiotic and hurtful. If I don't want to get > involved in > a particular topic I don't bother responding. I'm hurt bad enough > that I > was accused of saying something I did not say. But even those I > responded > to were light-hearted about the whole thing. The above, however, is > inexcusable. One of the points of having these chats involves > debating & > controversy at times (and a little humor doesn't hurt if it's done > properly; > I howled at Tim Nelson & especially Rich's messages). If you think a > subject is too boring for you, delete the messages on your inbox and > forget > about the whole thing. Why must some people need to be taken by the > hand? > > Even as a joke, what is the point of this whole "invented" B.S.? What > does > that have to do with what we've been discussing? You still don't > understand > what "innovation" means, even after a dictionary quote, but I said I > wasn't > going to dwell on the subject anymore. This after I thanked you > publicly > for your earlier advice. > > Oh, and to respond to that advice: I was looking for a way to retain > the > original stereo signal from the GR-33; I already have a TC G-Major to > create > a new one. I don't particularly go for Digitech other than the Whammy, > but > would have been willing to buy something if it did the job I wanted. My > personal taste, so, please, nobody bombard me with disagreements. I'm > not > interested. > > And my advice to anyone here who obviously enjoys attacking people: > Read > messages a second time or so before you assume someone's insulting > you. If > you don't understand something, let them know. I didn't join this chat > line > to be a villain! > > I want to believe that anyone who spends a lot of time working with and > discussing technology has at least a fairly high intelligence quotient. > This should include common sense. It amazes me how many Wile E. Coyotes > there are out there. > > Last time, this time for sure (mainly to punish you, Mark): > I did not attack the entire looping universe. I made a comparison > regarding > downloading sites by a few people who labelled their work "Soundscapes" > and > noted they sounded more like Frippertronics. > I NEVER EVER said Robert Fripp (or anyone, for that matter) invented the > looping system (or anyTHING, for that matter). > The only thing I erred was misspelling Hedewa7 and I've already > apologized. > > Now, please, everyone: GROW UP. And try to show and understanding when > reading & communicating. > > Good night all, > Peter > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 04:13:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07442; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:51:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c170d6$2cdedd80$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20011119032230.63134.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: original vs. good Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:42:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9tozQ.A.NqB.iYM-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Aaron Schindler" put forth: > I think that's exactly it! You can't NOT be original. > If you gave everyone in the world a red crayon and > told them to draw a house each would be unique. > Originality seems to be an obsession ( the age we live > in?) when it's the easiest thing in the world! > > There is nothing more unoriginal than trying to be > original. ; ) This is terribly assumptive of all people. I believe that, if one gave everyone in the world a red crayon and told them to draw a house, perhaps 25% (if that!) would produce a drawing at all, and most of those would be attempted duplicates of what was perceived to be "the most popular" drawing of a house. Remember back to when we were children, folks. Now, add the elements involved in having "grown up", and what you'd get would be political factions of various kinds, some people would claim they were oppressed because it was a red crayon and not another color, some would try to steal other peoples' crayons, others would refuse to draw a house altogether if they could draw at all. Then of course (and I couldn't resist) a few smartasses would claim some kinship with Jimi Hendrix, having drawn after all [wince] a Red House. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 04:56:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11333; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 04:30:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 04:30:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011119092150.96481.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:21:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: original vs. good To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <005901c170d6$2cdedd80$0201a8c0@stephen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not to mention those of us who would... draw a doggie, eat the crayon. John --- "Stephen P. Goodman" > > This is terribly assumptive of all people. I > believe that, if one gave > everyone in the world a red crayon and told them to > draw a house, perhaps > 25% (if that!) would produce a drawing at all, and > most of those would be > attempted duplicates of what was perceived to be > "the most popular" drawing > of a house. Remember back to when we were children, > folks. > > Now, add the elements involved in having "grown up", > and what you'd get > would be political factions of various kinds, some > people would claim they > were oppressed because it was a red crayon and not > another color, some would > try to steal other peoples' crayons, others would > refuse to draw a house > altogether if they could draw at all. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 06:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17077; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:57:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:57:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c170e7$cc063640$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20011119092150.96481.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: original vs. good Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:48:58 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which is of course original. What a conundrum, eh? "John Tidwell" said: > Not to mention those of us who would... > > draw a doggie, > > eat the crayon. > > John > > > --- "Stephen P. Goodman" > > > > This is terribly assumptive of all people. I > > believe that, if one gave > > everyone in the world a red crayon and told them to > > draw a house, perhaps > > 25% (if that!) would produce a drawing at all, and > > most of those would be > > attempted duplicates of what was perceived to be > > "the most popular" drawing > > of a house. Remember back to when we were children, > > folks. > > > > Now, add the elements involved in having "grown up", > > and what you'd get > > would be political factions of various kinds, some > > people would claim they > > were oppressed because it was a red crayon and not > > another color, some would > > try to steal other peoples' crayons, others would > > refuse to draw a house > > altogether if they could draw at all. > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 06:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19631; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:24:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:24:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c301c170eb$bbcdb290$9565fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com> <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:17:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... > Thoughts, clarifications, rebuttles and general musings on any or all of the above greatly appreciated - I'm still fumbling > my way through alot of these questions... I think the times when I've been the most orginal is when I've had no f$&*@ing clue as to what I just did. I love that! > big love to all > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk Awwww, wuv woo too!!! :-P Mike P.S. I have to say that after catching up on, like, the last 100+ posts to LD, I had a wonderful morning today LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!!! And it was damn fine, thank you one and all!!! (and welcome back dt *-P) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 06:59:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20231; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:38:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:38:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011119112900.93327.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: original vs. good To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3BF8AD34.5B53@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Perhaps ,If one always fallowed ones heart and was > simply oneself at all > times.I find simplicity to be among the hardest > things to do/be and > originality to be among the most simple. Well said. if our motives our pure originality will follow. even if it is variations on a theme, the importance is the truthfulness - i.e nothing could be less original than telling someone you love them, but if its an honest expression that emotion is still uniquely yours, it is not diminished by the fact its been said/felt before. -AS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 07:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23914; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:32:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C170F5.14EDDC50" Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:24:06 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP loop mode decay question Thread-Index: AcFpUpoINwsQdmedQf+B+gQ8p5TIkwHob/Mg From: "Andy Ewen" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C170F5.14EDDC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cliff, This is not normal and we carry out a 24 hour feedback test here on every unit to ensure that the loops do not decay over time. This problem is probably related to the 16MHz crystals in your unit not being quite close enough tolerance. We have found replacing the CRYSTAL Audio Codec chip will also cure the problem. Where are you and how would you like to get this problem fixed? Andy @ Trace Elliot.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] Sent: 09 November 2001 19:06 To: Loopers Delight Subject: EDP loop mode decay question Hiya-=20 =20 I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and it seems even at 100% feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal for delay mode? I wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks-=20 =20 Cliff =20 PS- I love midi these days- DR-5>ER-1>Filter Factory>Mo-Fx>M-One>EDP>JamMan>Computer - I'm only just getting started on this setup but syncopated loops of different lengths comes to mind! :) Never used midi on JM before this week-=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C170F5.14EDDC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cliff,
This is not normal and we = carry out=20 a 24 hour feedback test here on every unit to ensure that the loops = do not=20 decay over time. This problem is probably related to the 16MHz crystals = in your=20 unit not being quite close enough tolerance. We have found replacing the = CRYSTAL=20 Audio Codec chip will also cure the problem.
Where are you and how = would you like=20 to get this problem fixed?
Andy @ Trace=20 Elliot. 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net]
Sent: 09 November 2001=20 19:06
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: EDP loop mode = decay=20 question

Hiya-
 
I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and it = seems even=20 at 100% feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal for delay = mode? I=20 wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks-
 
Cliff
 
PS- I love midi these days- DR-5>ER-1>Filter = Factory>Mo-Fx>M-One>EDP>JamMan>Computer - I'm only just = getting=20 started on this setup but syncopated loops of different lengths comes = to mind!=20 :) Never used midi on JM before this week-=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C170F5.14EDDC50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 08:58:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27858; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:36:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <24.1c8cda87.292a62ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:28:12 EST Subject: Re: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KILLINFO@aol.com writes: >Sometimes I opt for the easily generic and say "experimental" (whatever that means). ha! sometimes i just say: 'robert fripp's frippertronics', or 'brian eno's ambi-eno-t music'. other times i say: 'weddings & bar mitzvahs', or simply 'hardcore chill'. *-) dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 09:42:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31187; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:18:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:18:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.1681318d.292a6c99@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:29 EST Subject: Re: Michael Karoli of Can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I for one will miss him yeah; me, too. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 10:10:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32556; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <122.7a54f91.292a738a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:39:06 EST Subject: fripp & the looping lineage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bickleypunk@pdq.net writes: >For those that have implied that Fripp claims to have "invented" looping, >and to those that think that Fripp labeled his approach Frippertronics >as some sort of ego-maniacal trademark - I think you're wrong. >Why not actually research what Fripp has said on the subject himself?? > It took me about 15 minutes to find this. right..... i've seen that; thanks. me: i never said that i perceived robert as having claimed the invention-of-tape-looping. what *has* always struck me, though, is the apparent wide-ranging belief that this is so..... which seems largely to be (unwittingly) disseminated by both his fans & his disciples. so: as robert is, indeed, a pedagogue --- to wit, there exists his self-created 'guitar craft', & his many public verbal (&clearly, pedagogic) musings --- it also seems to me that it might 'follow' that he might have spoken, at some point, to that issue of organic 'revisionism', directed towards those very same students & disciples who are paying attention to the rest of his 'education'. i see robert as an erudite character, & presume that he must be well aware of both his own influence & at least *some* segment of the earlier members of the 'lineage of looping'; in fact, in many ways, his public persona seems to be well-focussed on clarifying all kindsa 'misperceptions' re: music/the business/personality, etc for his listeners, which begs the question: why not the same treatment for looping? he is, after all, both a teacher *and*, obviously, a critical node in the lineage. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 10:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32694; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <107.8db2d13.292a746c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:42:52 EST Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8nVGm.A.I5H.KqR-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pb, i'm sorry if ya took my blubbering as 'personal'; it wasn't meant that way, as i don't know you..... i did respond to what you *wrote* --- which was apparently somewhat out-of-context w/what you *meant*: internet / written word / agenda, all come into play, here. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 10:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00443; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:55:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c17109$2567ab80$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com> <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <00c301c170eb$bbcdb290$9565fea9@melon> Subject: OT: mike's last post Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:47:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com caught up on the rest on the posts after steve's here, and it wasn't quite so funny as the the whole 'elec-TORN-ica', 'that's the name of my studio' bits that had inspired my intending-to-be-jolly 'laughing ass off in capital letters' comment. didn't mean to be crass. i'm feeling moody now, pensive, and a little sensitive. but this mood inspired in me a sublime desire to take these feelings, and express them positively in some artful, original way. i just invented a new art form. visual silence (or Visualence (TM)). you have to stare at it for 30 seconds or you won't get it. *waits for the money to roll in* *-) mike p.s. i just realized i'm one of those schmucks who've got their mail client configured with the wrong reply-to. gotta fix that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Lawson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... > > > > > Thoughts, clarifications, rebuttles and general musings on any > or all of the above greatly appreciated - I'm still fumbling > > my way through alot of these questions... > > I think the times when I've been the most orginal is when I've > had no f$&*@ing clue as to what I just did. I love that! > > > big love to all > > > > Steve > > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > Awwww, wuv woo too!!! > > :-P > > Mike > > P.S. I have to say that after catching up on, like, the last > 100+ posts to LD, I had a wonderful morning today LAUGHING MY > ASS OFF!!! And it was damn fine, thank you one and all!!! (and > welcome back dt *-P) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 10:56:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03601; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.14a5d642.292a7d8e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:21:50 EST Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com miko, >while avoiding comparisons to bland, banal forms we all seem to loathe here? i *love* bland & banal music! best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 10:59:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03733; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:34:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:34:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <146.4d0a4c2.292a7e64@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:25:24 EST Subject: Re: original vs. good To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <4GszTB.A.rz.ASS-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kungha@earthlink.net writes: >I do agree that the attempt to be original usually insures being more >influenced by everyone else. huh? and i thought that influence doesn't preclude originality..... given that i don't/can't/don't wanna work inna vacuum..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 11:01:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03864; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007101c170a6$c55a5c40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> References: <86.12bb1178.292935b1@aol.com> <007101c170a6$c55a5c40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:21:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The subject of originality sometimes seems so completely focused on >creating, seemingly from scratch with no references to other people's work, >etc. The folk tradition otoh, focuses on taking given forms and breathing >new life into them. Thanks for these thoughts, Miko. I would venture to say (could be wrong) that we are all folk musicians in a loopy sense. hasn't a lot of what we do been done before? why are we still fascinated with it as a methodology and technique? possibly because it's a portal through which we can express 'ourselves'? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 11:04:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04225; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:43:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:43:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:28:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-vR9kB.A.r6.jaS-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Excuse me, but isn't that "Lawsontronics"? >Max hahaha! there you go, steve! after this thread... now i'm really feeling guilty for my liner notes, where my credits of 'loops and treatments' is a direct, intentional cop from mr. eno. and 'bass vibrations' a direct and intentional cop from spacemen3. sometimes you wear your influences on your sleeve, i guess. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 11:12:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04693; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:49:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:36:22 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-reply-to: <00c301c170eb$bbcdb290$9565fea9@melon> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Michael LaMeyer , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <158.4340c11.29284eb6@aol.com> <00fc01c17039$1f614640$d02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <00c301c170eb$bbcdb290$9565fea9@melon> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:17 AM -0500 11/19/01, Michael LaMeyer wrote: >I think the times when I've been the most orginal is when I've >had no f$&*@ing clue as to what I just did. I love that! For that reason I've sometimes had interesting results in the studio when I've pushed my self past the point of exhaustion. Part of that process is that I'm too tired to allow my inner critic to edit out the odd choices and I just end up accepting things that just seem to flow through me. Of course the downside of such a process is ear fatigue and the occasional erasing of weeks of work. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 11:48:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08065; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:23:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:23:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:09:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, i know this has been discussed briefly before, but i'm looking into buying a few of the Proel stereo volume pedals. They have 100k linear pots in them. can anybody give a brief analysis of this pot for use as an expression pedal? their initial use will definitely be for volume pedals, but can i use them as expression pedals? how would they compare to the expression pedals i have now? i have a boss EV5 and a line6 pedal. i know the big aluminum ernie ball pedals get used as exp. pedals a lot. what is the potentiometer in those pedals? any info is appreciated. does anybody have any experience with the proel pedals? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 11:54:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08630; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04cc01c17115$4fdf4a10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:14:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04C9_01C170EB.66D22C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04C9_01C170EB.66D22C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP Pedal FixSounds like great work! Do you have a = manufacturer/model number for the new switches? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix Just wanted to let all you EDP owners know that I had my pedal = upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC. They seem to have done a great job = (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily destructible mouser = plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could withstand = a military campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away = without worrying about breaking anything. Cheers!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_04C9_01C170EB.66D22C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP Pedal Fix
Sounds like great work!  Do you = have a=20 manufacturer/model number for the new switches?
 
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Just wanted to let all you EDP owners = know that I=20 had my pedal upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC.  They seem to = have done=20 a great job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily = destructible=20 mouser plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could = withstand=20 a military campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away = without=20 worrying about breaking anything.  Cheers!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_04C9_01C170EB.66D22C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 11:59:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09159; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:35:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:35:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAyjcTRGz7QHfqa1lEsUHzWNaLDUcCFEVYWMbfcKhGWVZ4cGkkm/QFY2qj From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:26:21 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: King Crimson in Las Vegas Message-ID: <1145-3BF932AD-2013@storefull-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saw Crimson sat. night at the House of Blues. First off Adrian had no tuning fork sticking out of his guitar. The show was good, but I've seen them on better nights. The house was full even though the Brittany Spears concert was the same night, which Adrian mentioned and thanked everyone for not going to see her instead. Adrian seemed tired. There was some looping. It seems eveyone on this list totally over looked Pat Mastelloto the drummer. From where I was sitting I could see his setup. I was in the skybox right above the stage on stage left. Pat had tons of gear. some things I could see were an Akai sampler, and edp, an electribe which he was playing with at the intro of the concert, him and Adrian both had Roland Handsonics, which pat was using the sequencer in the handsonic at one point. It seems Robert has run this version of Crimson into the ground. I think he should go back to more acoustic instrument, Flutes, saxes, violins maybe do another classical style album like Islands. I remember reading an artical by Fripp in the "Larks" period and he said he does'nt listen to any music in his spare time because he does'nt want to be influenced by anything, occasinally he would listen to some classical music. BongoBillyBuddha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:17:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11790; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:56:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c401c1711a$57f8dc20$b62cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3BF8AD34.5B53@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: original vs. good Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:50:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > BTW Steve-I am a closet Kajagoogoo fan. > PEACE, > Kungha Scott, I think deep down inside, we all are, some just haven't come to terms with it yet... :o) ...either that, or you and I really are in some sort of bass-looping transatlantic symbiotic thing - guess I'd better start working out, eh? :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:20:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11727; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:55:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <97.1e6e0472.292a914f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:46:07 EST Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich Wrote: <<<<<"I would venture to say (could be wrong) that we are all folk musicians in a loopy sense. hasn't a lot of what we do been done before? why are we still fascinated with it as a methodology and technique? possibly because it's a portal through which we can express 'ourselves'?" rich>>>>>>>> I do agree with that concept & I would expand upon it using a sorta similar but perhaps broader "defining" canvas. This particular reference to folk music also makes me think of a film clip I saw broadcast during an Documentary piece on PBS concerning the actor, Gregory Peck. Now I have never really been a great G. Peck fan nor am i really even that familiar with much of his work as an actor. But the documentary I saw held my attention on a number of levels which were both both personal and from a perspective of craft. I was & still am deeply interested in examining an actors relationship with various characteization, acting methodologiess and contrasting that stuff with the role and function of a musician ( & also on a more superficial level i was thinking "damn i hope i look that good if i am fortunate enuff to make it to G. Peck's age)". But at some point in the film, G. Peck was giving a lecture while somewhere at a College-Univ. which was located somewhere in Ireland if i recall. & at a point during a Q&A session with students at this Irish College-University, someone from the audience asked Mr. Peck a question which was essentially more or less along the lines of how he would personally like to be remembered. G. Peck thought for a few seconds and looked quite serious and then quickly a shy smile appeared upon his face. He replied that he wanted to remembered as being a "good family man" and also as "a good story teller"....and he repeated the words "That he was a good story teller". That struck me as a simple, eloquent and more or less as the equivalent of what we all sorta do (IMHO) in just about any or all creative capacities (IMHO) whether we are conscious or unaware of it. And for me (once again IMHO) the best way for me to describe the "all" of what I do and the "essence" of "it" without diminishing "it" or weighting "it" down. But rather for more accuracy and succinct communication as a starting point, those very simple words G. Peck spoke nailed "it" while implying all i (& perhaps we IMHO) can't articulate so well in a short blurb. Warm Regards, John Price/AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" BUY THE NEW AKASH CD: "THE GIFT OF PUNISHMENT" www.akashmusic.com www.mp3.com/akashmusic - For Free Downloads! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:27:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13655; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:03:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:03:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f001c1711b$4413f9a0$b62cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <00c301c170eb$bbcdb290$9565fea9@melon> Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:56:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the lovely Mike > I think the times when I've been the most orginal is when I've > had no f$&*@ing clue as to what I just did. I love that! I think the influence of either random stuff or the times when our musical faculties show up to be lacking can often produce the most extreme results, both 'good' and 'bad' (if such qualitative judgements have any objective basis...) - like when you 'hear' something, try to play it, f*** it up, and find something more desireable, or otherwise tragic (especially if it comes whilst looping in record mode... :o) Neer underestimate the creative power of discreet ineptitude... :o) That random-ness is one of the reasons (aside from technophobia and skint-ness) that I avoided MIDI stuff for ages - my awareness of what was possible with MIDI was to parameter led, and didn't inspire me to just arse about with it and see what came out, the way I always have with a bass (now there's a credit for a CD 'Steve Lawson - arsing about with a bass') now, with Fruity Loops, I've found an interface that I connect with which allows me to do just that - turn nobs and see what happens in the same way I do with a DL4, or my amp or whatever... :o) group hug! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:28:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13943; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:06:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:50:41 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1205933467==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1205933467==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:28 AM -0800 11/19/01, rich wrote: >i'm really feeling guilty for my liner notes, where my credits of >'loops and treatments' is a direct, intentional cop from mr. eno. >and 'bass vibrations' a direct and intentional cop from spacemen3. Sometimes it's OK and even desirable to adopt someone else's terminology, sometimes possibly not. "Treatments" is a pretty good descriptor, and I see no reason to shy away from using it. On the other had (to cite a specific example) when Boyd Rice (Non) used the term "rhythm and noise" to describe what he did on a particular recording, the leader of the band Rhythm and Noise was justifiably annoyed. Language been the fluid and organic entity that it is, we'll observe all sorts of appropriations, modifications, reassignments, and even inversions of meaning for words and phrases coined to represent new ideas and techniques. Sometimes the private terms used by original creators get generalized and sometimes they are forgotten when some snappier term flies over the transom. As far as I know, the term "minimalism" was not used by the practitioners of the music it later came to describe (I remember using the phrase "pattern music" in the late '70s to describe the music of Riley, Reich, and Glass). For my own practice I try to use the most precise and/or generic terms I can find, while trying to avoid "brand names." The trick is to balance precision and generality. "Soundscape" is an example of a term that was originally designed by R. Murray Schafer to be both inclusive and explicit: "The sonic environment. Technically, any portion of the sonic environment regarded as a field for study. The term may refer to actual environments, or to abstract constructions such as musical compositions and tape montages, particularly when considered as an environment." However, I've also found this: "The characteristic types of sound commonly heard in a given period or location. For example, the late nineteenth-century American soundscape was largely limited to unamplified, live sounds, while the soundscape of the mid twenties included radio, electrically recorded disks, and public address, as well as live music, theater, and an increasing number of unmuffled motors..." (Rick Altman: Sound Theory/Sound Practice) -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1205933467==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason?
At 7:28 AM -0800 11/19/01, rich wrote:

i'm really feeling guilty for my liner notes, where my credits of 'loops and treatments' is a direct, intentional cop from mr. eno. and 'bass vibrations' a direct and intentional cop from spacemen3.

Sometimes it's OK and even desirable to adopt someone else's terminology, sometimes possibly not.  "Treatments" is a pretty good descriptor, and I see no reason to shy away from using it. On the other had (to cite a specific example) when Boyd Rice (Non) used the term "rhythm and noise" to describe what he did on a particular recording, the leader of the band Rhythm and Noise was justifiably annoyed.

Language been the fluid and organic entity that it is, we'll observe all sorts of appropriations, modifications, reassignments, and even inversions of meaning for words and phrases coined to represent new ideas and techniques. Sometimes the private terms used by original creators get generalized and sometimes they are forgotten when some snappier term flies over the transom. As far as I know, the term "minimalism" was not used by the practitioners of the music it later came to describe (I remember using the phrase "pattern music" in the late '70s to describe the music of Riley, Reich, and Glass).

For my own practice I try to use the most precise and/or generic terms I can find, while trying to avoid "brand names." The trick is to balance precision and generality. "Soundscape" is an example of a term that was originally designed by R. Murray Schafer to be both inclusive and explicit: "The sonic environment. Technically, any portion of the sonic environment regarded as a field for study. The term may refer to actual environments, or to abstract constructions such as musical compositions and tape montages, particularly when considered as an environment." However, I've also found this: "The characteristic types of sound commonly heard in a given period or location. For example, the late nineteenth-century American soundscape was largely limited to unamplified, live sounds, while the soundscape of the mid twenties included radio, electrically recorded disks, and public address, as well as live music, theater, and an increasing number of unmuffled motors..." (Rick Altman: Sound Theory/Sound Practice)
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--============_-1205933467==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:36:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14254; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020801c1711c$7ea8cfe0$b62cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:05:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The subject of originality sometimes seems so completely focused on > >creating, seemingly from scratch with no references to other people's work, > >etc. The folk tradition otoh, focuses on taking given forms and breathing > >new life into them. > > Thanks for these thoughts, Miko. I would venture to say (could be > wrong) that we are all folk musicians in a loopy sense. hasn't a lot > of what we do been done before? why are we still fascinated with it > as a methodology and technique? possibly because it's a portal > through which we can express 'ourselves'? I think this ties in with the one peice of Fripp's advice (I think I saw it credited to a Guitar Craft essay or something) that has ever really clicked with me, which was about practice not being practice without limitations... that led me on to thinking about the creativity of limitations, and boundaries, and stopped my then insane Gear Aquisition Momentum. I realised that I needed something quantifiable to push up against and to stretch. You've never going to expand the limits of the universe (not meant as a metaphysical statement, more one of relative magnitude) but you may well find something worthwhile in knocking down the walls between your kitchen and living room to create a larger utility room - the methodologies and techniques are spaces that we occupy, canvasses on which we paint (or scrawl or defaecate) and Bixing ring ropes against which we push to spring us back into the center of what we're supposed to be doing. And also, I would guess that for many of us who are somewhat interested in the gadgetry of all this stuff (er, that would be just about everyone one on a list such as this, I presume) the method and process are in some sense 'artful' in and of themselves, and our little spin on it is like a Graffiti tag. I know when I came up with a new way of wiring my gear, with my JamMan in parallel, I felt very creative! :o) Then the output on my DL4 knackered, and I'm back to a straight line series thingie... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14211; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:11:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:11:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c17134$d7cda060$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: dj Crimson Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:00:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C17102.8C6224C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C17102.8C6224C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable right I should of post this here: http://bpmm.net enough of the chit chat and start downloading. as i said before I hope Splattercell gets comisssioned to do the = remixes. hmm anyone else, let's see, Matmos, Mark Bell, Dj Shadow, Nobuzaku Takemura, Markus Draws, FSOL, = Alec Empire, Dr. Alex Patterson and Richard James. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C17102.8C6224C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
right
 
I should of post this here:
 
 
enough of the chit chat and start = downloading.
as i said before I hope Splattercell gets = comisssioned to do=20 the remixes.
hmm anyone else,
let's see,
Matmos, Mark Bell, Dj Shadow, Nobuzaku Takemura, = Markus Draws,=20 FSOL, Alec Empire, Dr. Alex Patterson and Richard=20 James.
------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C17102.8C6224C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:57:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15347; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:25:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022f01c1711e$2cceea40$b62cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Originality... Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:18:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would say that on the subject of Originality, discussions about it are, to me at least, hugely helpful. Mainly because there is generally all manner of minutae that gets fluffed up in the process, and as DT so aptly said in response to my original post, the answers are deeply personal. I love talking about music, almost as much as listening to it or playing it - one of the best things about my last mini tour of the California was the chance to discuss improvisational approach and concept with Rick Walker (a hugelyhugelyhugely inspiring and creative guy to spend time with and play with) and with Michael Manring and Max Valentino, and also with Andre LaFosse and Ric Hordenski at the LA Loop Fest - I got ideas from listening to each of them (I've got a couple of pieces on the go at the moment that are conceptually utterly indebted to Andre - exploring the 'replace' function on my JamMan after seeing him do his amazing stuff with the EDP) but also from talking to them... ...no there's a thought - a music 'training' weekend/band camp concept, where noone is allowed to bring an instrument, just CDs in order to show where you're coming from? :o) Talktalktalk and probably end up deeply confused, but in a good way... LOL Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 12:58:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15599; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:28:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:28:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c1711e$5eb28580$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <1145-3BF932AD-2013@storefull-135.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: King Crimson in Las Vegas Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:37 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_jWRbD.A.loD.F9T-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "William Mcallister" wrote: > Saw Crimson sat. night at the House of Blues. First off Adrian had no > tuning fork sticking out of his guitar. The show was good, but I've seen > them on better nights. The house was full even though the Brittany > Spears concert was the same night, which Adrian mentioned and thanked > everyone for not going to see her instead. Adrian seemed tired. Lost Wages will do that to you though. What was the previous venue? > It seems Robert has run this version of > Crimson into the ground. How so? I thought the new format was a different, more hard one. > I remember reading an artical by Fripp in the > "Larks" period and he said he does'nt listen to any music in his spare > time because he does'nt want to be influenced by anything, occasinally > he would listen to some classical music. BongoBillyBuddha I found this also quite easy during the period where I didn't have a car, and therefore couldn't go to my favorite store, Poobahs in Pasadena. Therefore, no additions of cd's beyond Christmas gifts, you know? Great used section though. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 13:02:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16731; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:25:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1205931739==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <4d_08D.A.y3D.OIU-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1205931739==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >when Boyd Rice (Non) used the term "rhythm and noise" to describe >what he did on a particular recording, the leader of the band Rhythm >and Noise was justifiably annoyed. useless little side story: was living in denver, co, early 94-late 95...and we see a flyer, (then) local Boyd Rice is spinning discs at a local watering hole, the Lion's Den. Boyd Rice! my wife and i exclaim...zowee...gotta go check this out! so we saunter on down to the bar with a couple of friends (also big noise/experimental fans) and proceed to watch boyd put in a pre-made compilation tape of various stuff, which allowed him ample time to go get his free beer and sit quietly in the corner of the bar, looking all loner like and sorry for himself. when we went up to say hello, we were barely able to get two syllables from the guy the whole evening. whatever. interestingly, i got a similar response from jason pierce and spiritualized when they came through town. giving monosyllabic grunts to folks who take the time to come and see you and are interested in some sort of conversation with you is really amazing to me. especially when these folks aren't exactly Madonna or Britney or Michael Jackson...with people clamoring onto their limo and shit. No, this is one guy, coming down to an empty club in the middle of the day, walking up to the band and saying "hey, i'm a big fan of yours, how are you all doing? how's the tour?" "grunt." and i'm at Virgin Megastore in Hollywood last weekend and they have a flyer up with a contest. Win a chance to meet and interact with Jason Pierce of Spiritualized! Wow. i can hardly wait! where's the entry form!?!?! best, rich --============_-1205931739==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason?
when Boyd Rice (Non) used the term "rhythm and noise" to describe what he did on a particular recording, the leader of the band Rhythm and Noise was justifiably annoyed.

useless little side story:

was living in denver, co, early 94-late 95...and we see a flyer, (then) local Boyd Rice is spinning discs at a local watering hole, the Lion's Den.  Boyd Rice! my wife and i exclaim...zowee...gotta go check this out!

so we saunter on down to the bar with a couple of friends (also big noise/experimental fans) and proceed to watch boyd put in a pre-made compilation tape of various stuff, which allowed him ample time to go get his free beer and sit quietly in the corner of the bar, looking all loner like and sorry for himself.  when we went up to say hello, we were barely able to get two syllables from the guy the whole evening.  whatever.

interestingly, i got a similar response from jason pierce and spiritualized when they came through town.  giving monosyllabic grunts to folks who take the time to come and see you and are interested in some sort of conversation with you is really amazing to me.  especially when these folks aren't exactly Madonna or Britney or Michael Jackson...with people clamoring onto their limo and shit.  No, this is one guy, coming down to an empty club in the middle of the day, walking up to the band and saying "hey, i'm a big fan of yours, how are you all doing?  how's the tour?"

"grunt."

and i'm at Virgin Megastore in Hollywood last weekend and they have a flyer up with a contest.  Win a chance to meet and interact with Jason Pierce of Spiritualized!  Wow.  i can hardly wait!  where's the entry form!?!?!

best,

rich

--============_-1205931739==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 13:12:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17507; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:52:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17121.7631F5DC" Subject: RE: EDP Pedal Fix X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:41:47 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Pedal Fix Thread-Index: AcFxGwCh5A2WqhPBQlCtLUDoKaj27AAAUq7A From: "Andy Ewen" To: Resent-Message-ID: <0dkt3C.A.gIE.6RU-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17121.7631F5DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If these switches are a massive improvement, and I can get them at a sensible price, we may be interested in using them for future manufacture and for replacements. Are they as responsive as the Mouser switch? I've tried many different ones and while most seem to last longer than the Mouser, none of them have been as precise in operation. There's a real trade-off here, accuracy versus reliability versus cost. I would love to offer the EDP F/S with accurate switches that last forever but cost the same :) Andy -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: 19 November 2001 16:15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix Sounds like great work! Do you have a manufacturer/model number for the new switches? =20 Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix Just wanted to let all you EDP owners know that I had my pedal upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC. They seem to have done a great job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily destructible mouser plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could withstand a military campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away without worrying about breaking anything. Cheers!=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17121.7631F5DC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP Pedal Fix
If these switches are a = massive=20 improvement, and I can get them at a sensible price, we may be = interested in=20 using them for future manufacture and for = replacements.
Are they as responsive as = the Mouser=20 switch? I've tried many = different=20 ones and while most seem to last longer than the Mouser, none of them = have been=20 as precise in operation. There's a real trade-off here, accuracy = versus=20 reliability versus cost.
I would love to offer the = EDP F/S=20 with accurate switches that last forever but cost the same=20 :)
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Leas=20 [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com]
Sent: 19 November 2001 = 16:15
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP Pedal=20 Fix

Sounds like great work!  Do you = have a=20 manufacturer/model number for the new switches?
 
Dennis Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve Sandberg =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, November 16, = 2001 10:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: EDP Pedal = Fix

Just wanted to let all you EDP owners = know that=20 I had my pedal upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC.  They seem = to have=20 done a great job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily = destructible mouser plastic switches with metal things that look as = if they=20 could withstand a military campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping = my=20 heart away without worrying about breaking anything. =  Cheers!=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C17121.7631F5DC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 13:29:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19582; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:03:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:03:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:51:43 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP loop mode decay question Thread-Index: AcFxHZ4rC5F1A0IMTnGwbyPMQpY0bgAA97Bw From: "Andy Ewen" To: "Kim Flint" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA17508 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh God! Thanks for pointing this out; I didn't read the question properly, I just saw 'loop decay' and thought of that problem we had with the crystals. I've copied this to LD as you have explained the ideas very well and I don't mind being made a fool of occasionally; it's good for the soul :) -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: 19 November 2001 17:11 To: Andy Ewen Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question actually Andy, that is normal for delay mode operation. It's like having overdub on all the time. When overdub is on or you are in delay mode we do a slight attenuation each repetition, without which the loops would build up to where it overloaded. Putting it in "hold" stops it from decaying, and closes the input from audio being added to the delay. We do check whether audio is actually present at the input. If the input signal never crosses the threshold during an entire pass of the loop, we do not attenuate that time. (we call this "autoundo" because it works rather like an undo being made of the attenuation that was made during that pass and later deemed unnecessary.) BTW, I didn't post this to the list. (didn't want to embarrass you. :-) You might want to make a correction though, so people are not confused. Otherwise you may find yourself repairing every echoplex in the world... also, I'm pretty sure when you do have the real problem with the crystals causing attenuation, changing the codec does not really fix it. It might seem like it fixes it, but it will show up again later because it is really the crystals causing the codec to initialize wrong. I was fooled by that once, in fact when I fixed Cliff's unit the first time. :-) The second time i changed the crystals and his problem went away.... Cliff's edp was the unit where I figured out what was really happening there. Basically, the crystal causes the codec to initialize wrong when it boots up, and the A/D convertor causes noise into the loop on the digital side. This fools the software trick I described above, so our threshold is always triggered and autoundo never works, and the loop decays. The bad thing is in currently shipping software this happens even if overdub is off, so it always happens. For the next version we changed it so this autoundo happens anyway when overdub is off, so the decay can't happen for such a case. kim At 04:24 AM 11/19/2001, you wrote: >Cliff, >This is not normal and we carry out a 24 hour feedback test here on every >unit to ensure that the loops do not decay over time. This problem is >probably related to the 16MHz crystals in your unit not being quite close >enough tolerance. We have found replacing the CRYSTAL Audio Codec chip >will also cure the problem. >Where are you and how would you like to get this problem fixed? >Andy @ Trace Elliot. >-----Original Message----- >From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] >Sent: 09 November 2001 19:06 >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: EDP loop mode decay question > >Hiya- > >I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and it seems even at 100% >feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal for delay mode? I >wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks- > >Cliff > >PS- I love midi these days- DR-5>ER-1>Filter >Factory>Mo-Fx>M-One>EDP>JamMan>Computer - I'm only just getting started on >this setup but syncopated loops of different lengths comes to mind! :) >Never used midi on JM before this week- ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:10:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22124; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:37:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:37:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy Ewen wrote: >I just saw 'loop decay' and thought of that problem we had with the >crystals. Took me a while to remember where I'd heard the line "We're having problems with the crystals, Captain" before, then it came to me... I'm impressed a 10 year old hardware design uses Dilithium Crystals, I would've thought they were prohibitively expensive... Mark (Ducking and running for cover) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:15:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22514; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:43:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:43:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:35:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200111191835.NAA26346@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > when we went up to say hello, > we were barely able to get two syllables from the guy the whole > evening. whatever. As a contrast, after the last Butthole Surfers concert here in New York, Paul Leary (their brilliant guitarist) came out and talked to everyone, signed every autograph that came to him, answered all the stupid questions(*), and radiated affection for the fans... even though they were packing to leave for Atlanta in less than an hour. I've hung out with other famous bands before and I have to say that (with the exception of Fripp who's almost pathologically reclusive!) that the better players they are, the more likely the musicians are to be confident enough to hang out with the fans without any attitude. /t (* -- mine were particularly dumb.) -- The new moon is shining, The harmonious hand is now holding Lord Krishna's ring, the eagle's wing, The voice of mother, everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:31:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23427; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:52:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:52:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c1712a$4d2dd920$ccafe83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: "rich" , References: Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:44:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am using exclusively these pedals. They work quite well for me. I use them both as volume control pedals, controlling e.g. EDP's volume and feedback (through midi or directly), expression pedal for other midi controls (through my Yamaha MFC 10), etc. The only potential disadvantage might be for some that they are lightweight. But you can always add some little rocks to the bottom :-) The pot works for defining the minimum volume. I don't have any comparison to other pedals. petr www.geocities.com/pepetr ----- Original Message ----- From: rich To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:09 AM Subject: OT: proel volume/expression pedals > hey all, > > i know this has been discussed briefly before, but i'm looking into > buying a few of the Proel stereo volume pedals. They have 100k > linear pots in them. > > can anybody give a brief analysis of this pot for use as an > expression pedal? their initial use will definitely be for volume > pedals, but can i use them as expression pedals? how would they > compare to the expression pedals i have now? i have a boss EV5 and a > line6 pedal. > > i know the big aluminum ernie ball pedals get used as exp. pedals a > lot. what is the potentiometer in those pedals? > > any info is appreciated. does anybody have any experience with the > proel pedals? > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:46:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27019; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:22:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:22:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF95970.2458507B@helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:11:44 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: meet'n'greets Was: Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? References: <200111191835.NAA26346@www.editev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > when we went up to say hello, we were barely able to get two > syllables from the guy the whole evening. whatever. > > As a contrast, after the last Butthole Surfers concert here in New > York, Paul Leary (their brilliant guitarist) came out and talked to > everyone, signed every autograph that came to him, answered all the > stupid questions(*), and radiated affection for the fans... even > though they were packing to leave for Atlanta in less than an hour. Well since it's off topic anyway... :) A year or two (maybe more?) ago Adrian Belew did his small club tour called "Coming Attractions" where he played solo material from Crimson, the Bears, his various solo projects, etc. he came out on-stage and spoke to the audience, took questions in between the sets (while still on-stage) and then came out in the audience and chatted/signed autographs until everyone had their fill. granted this was a small scale show and the purpose was to try out some new stuff and get some feedback but it was a *very* nice way to go about doing it that certainly made me like the guy even more :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27339; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:26:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:26:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:18:15 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/19/2001 02:18:22 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com < compare to the expression pedals i have now? i have a boss EV5 >> The Proels with a cord and a stereo, tip/ring, plug coming out (PVP16L) are interchangable with EV5s; I use 'em all the time as replacements on my Roland/Boss and some other gear, and they're perfectly good. The ones with four 1/4-in. audio inserts in front (PVP14L) are similar in concept to the stereo Ernie Ball volume pedal...and may serve as exp pedals, too, with elaborate cabling...but why bother? They don't work very well as audio volume controls since they don't go to full off when backed out all the way, unlike EBalls. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:50:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26496; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:17:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ce01c1712a$4d2dd920$ccafe83f@oemcomputer> References: <00ce01c1712a$4d2dd920$ccafe83f@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:02:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com petr, thank you very much. i've contacted proel italy via the website, and they've referred me to email proel usa. i haven't heard back from them yet. do you know of anyplace i can order these online? none of the major stores in this area seem to carry them. i'm in southern california. thanks! rich >I am using exclusively these pedals. They work quite well for me. I >use them both as volume control pedals, controlling e.g. EDP's volume >and feedback (through midi or directly), expression pedal for other >midi controls (through my Yamaha MFC 10), etc. The only potential >disadvantage might be for some that they are lightweight. But you can >always add some little rocks to the bottom :-) The pot works for >defining the minimum volume. I don't have any comparison to other >pedals. > >petr >www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:53:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27782; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:33:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:33:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: giuseppe_poteet@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:16:57 -0800 Subject: Re: original vs. good To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01c401c1711a$57f8dc20$b62cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 11/19/01 8:50 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: >> BTW Steve-I am a closet Kajagoogoo fan. >> PEACE, >> Kungha > > Scott, > > I think deep down inside, we all are, Or will be, once they got those microchips implanted in all our heads.... As to originality: Sometimes I think that having so much recorded music available so readily is a hindrance. Sometimes forgetting & confabulating are just what you need to get to a new spot. Recycling/reshaping old ideas into new is not always so simple if the spectre of musics past is either a turn of the radio dial or a buttonpush on the CD player away. But I think it's possible & good to ignore a lot of that. Screw the fact that anyone can plainly see that all you've done is "steal" from Lothar and the Hand People & the Love Unlimited Orchestra. If it feels good, play it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 14:55:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27689; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <051801c1712e$bf7d0380$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP loop mode decay question Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:16:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5rCnNB.A.AoG.QxV-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm impressed a 10 year old hardware design uses Dilithium Crystals, I > would've thought they were prohibitively expensive... Hey, Mark, don't you remember? In "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"? You know that part where Kirk and friends have returned to Earth circa 1986? There's that scene where they unexpectedly visit Matthias and leave behind a unknown "package". If you can't remember it, that's OK. I can't remember it either... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 15:01:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27533; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:30:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:30:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:21:45 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/19/2001 02:21:46 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Order 'em from American Musical Supply, americanmusical.com, 800-458-4076...just add PRL to the item numbers in my earlier post and you'll have the AMS stock #...they're each $29.95---good luck! David rich cc: Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals 11/19/2001 02:02 PM Please respond to Loopers-Deligh t petr, thank you very much. i've contacted proel italy via the website, and they've referred me to email proel usa. i haven't heard back from them yet. do you know of anyplace i can order these online? none of the major stores in this area seem to carry them. i'm in southern california. thanks! rich >I am using exclusively these pedals. They work quite well for me. I >use them both as volume control pedals, controlling e.g. EDP's volume >and feedback (through midi or directly), expression pedal for other >midi controls (through my Yamaha MFC 10), etc. The only potential >disadvantage might be for some that they are lightweight. But you can >always add some little rocks to the bottom :-) The pot works for >defining the minimum volume. I don't have any comparison to other >pedals. > >petr >www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 15:14:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28398; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:44:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:35:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 19:35:37.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D69DE40:01C17131] Resent-Message-ID: <0DERSB.A.31G.A9V-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Once again, its probably not so much a case of the expense of the materials, but that anti-matter R&D that's the real bitch. >From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question >Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0800 > >Andy Ewen wrote: > > >I just saw 'loop decay' and thought of that problem we had with the > >crystals. > >Took me a while to remember where I'd heard the line "We're having problems >with the crystals, Captain" before, then it came to me... > >I'm impressed a 10 year old hardware design uses Dilithium Crystals, I >would've thought they were prohibitively expensive... > >Mark > >(Ducking and running for cover) > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 15:17:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28376; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:44:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:29:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >They don't work very well as audio >volume controls since they don't go to full off when backed out all the >way, unlike EBalls. >David David, really? can't you adjust that via the small adjustment knob on the side? if they won't go totally off, what good are they as volume pedals? i must admit, i used an ernie ball for a short while, and dumped it when the responsiveness was too sluggish for me. yes, it would go full off, but the ramp up to full volume seemed too concave for me...too little too late, then full volume. maybe just me and my style/rig...i know loads of folks love 'em. these pedals would be used with my mixer aux sends. i'll have the aux sends pots up to unity gain, then use the volume pedals to control input to jamman and mofx. then these will return to their own channels on the mixer. are you sure about them not going all the way off? that would definitely put a cramp in my proposed setup. 100 bucks a pop for the ernie ball boat anchors is a bit steep for me. thanks for the a.m.s. connection! i'll take a look. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 15:28:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29074; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:53:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:53:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF9628E.4AAC@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:52:01 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: original vs. good References: <146.4d0a4c2.292a7e64@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > kungha@earthlink.net writes: > >I do agree that the attempt to be original usually insures being more > >influenced by everyone else. > huh? > and i thought that influence doesn't preclude originality..... given that i > don't/can't/don't wanna work inna vacuum..... > dt / s-c What I meant was that making an extreme effort to be simple,original,creative; often involves(for me anyway)a kind of reaction that limits the depth or freedom of my expression.I end up refering to past influences or ideas because they're what I have left. Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 15:52:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00496; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:26:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:26:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c17136$e043d8c0$e70c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: EDP in Repeater FX Loop? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:15:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann > Is anyone using the Echoplex Digital Pro in the effects loop of the >Repeater? Is that anything like nested loops in software programming languages? :-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 16:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01965; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:44:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:44:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074314@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17139.AEFC4F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" are you sure about them not going all the way off? that would definitely put a cramp in my proposed setup. 100 bucks a pop for the ernie ball boat anchors is a bit steep for me. ** maybe try the smaller roland/boss fv-60/50 thingies (the fv-50 comes in two different impedences however, gotta be careful). stig sorry about this lame bit that follows . . . Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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are you sure about them not going all the way off?  = that would
definitely put a cramp in my proposed setup.  100 b= ucks a pop for the
ernie ball boat anchors is a bit steep for me.


** maybe try the smaller roland/boss fv-60/50 thingies (t= he fv-50 comes in two different impedences however, gotta be careful).

stig

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17139.AEFC4F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 16:10:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01553; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:39:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: dcoffin@taunton.com Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:30:00 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mailsrv/Taunton(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/19/2001 03:30:03 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Rich I use volume pedals essentially as you describe, mainly in front of delay-looping devices to control input. Believe me, I've tried Roland FV Low impedance, Proel, even those crappy Rolls...NONE of 'em would completely screen the delay from leaked audio, until I got an EBall...which was $130+ for stereo! (from Guitar Heaven). I'd LOVE to find a workable cheaper pedal...I've even tried having a tech modify the Rolands, to no avail. I'm OK with the Roland pedals as returns to mixer chanels from outboard fx, but not as sends. I prefer EV5, or Proel exp pedals to control input or level parameters in the fx itself. David <> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 16:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02161; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:48:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c1713a$8bac6ee0$6445230a@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: OT: original vs. good Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:41:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, i've been 'stealing' words all my life i suppose and language is similar to music in a way, or it can be very close. some of my favorite english words are 'verisimilitude', 'groovy', and 'razzmatazz'. and 'kajagoogoo' of course, but nobody above the age of 3 seems to really get that one (people under the age of 3 almost immediately start waggling limbs around and/or dancing with a big smile, of COURSE). i have a similar reaction when i use those words as a modulator input on my warpfactory to process repeater loops, especially if i say them very slowly and wear sunglasses. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: original vs. good > on 11/19/01 8:50 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: > > >> BTW Steve-I am a closet Kajagoogoo fan. > >> PEACE, > >> Kungha > > > > Scott, > > > > I think deep down inside, we all are, > > Or will be, once they got those microchips implanted in all our heads.... > > As to originality: > Sometimes I think that having so much recorded music available so readily is > a hindrance. Sometimes forgetting & confabulating are just what you need to > get to a new spot. Recycling/reshaping old ideas into new is not always so > simple if the spectre of musics past is either a turn of the radio dial or a > buttonpush on the CD player away. > > But I think it's possible & good to ignore a lot of that. Screw the fact > that anyone can plainly see that all you've done is "steal" from Lothar and > the Hand People & the Love Unlimited Orchestra. If it feels good, play it. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 16:39:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04687; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:10:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011119125446.00b987d0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:59:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same experience here - I'll add the Dunlop GCB-81 (or was it 80?) and Roland FV-300 volume pedals to the list of pedals that don't 'go to 0'. I use them in front of the preamp and for low-gain clean guitar sounds they're ok - but hi-gain distortion, only ErnieBall results in nothing getting thru to the pre. sean At 03:30 PM 2001/11/19 -0500, David wrote: >Hi, Rich >I use volume pedals essentially as you describe, mainly in front of >delay-looping devices to control input. Believe me, I've tried Roland FV >Low impedance, Proel, even those crappy Rolls...NONE of 'em would >completely screen the delay from leaked audio, until I got an EBall...which >was $130+ for stereo! (from Guitar Heaven). I'd LOVE to find a workable >cheaper pedal...I've even tried having a tech modify the Rolands, to no >avail. >I'm OK with the Roland pedals as returns to mixer chanels from outboard fx, >but not as sends. I prefer EV5, or Proel exp pedals to control input or >level parameters in the fx itself. >David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 16:53:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05888; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:28:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:28:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.8d74707.292ad185@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:20:05 EST Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sean_@mindspring.com writes: >but hi-gain distortion, only ErnieBall results in nothing >getting thru to the pre. the volume peds from VisualSound work well, like that --- but maybe they're out-of-print? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:02:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05887; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:28:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:28:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074315@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:14:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1713F.398C5120" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1713F.398C5120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Arnold Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are deservedly famous for their development and exploitation of these things. ** okay. richard . . . i must know. who did? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. 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Arnold
Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are deservedly
famous for their development and exploitation of these things.


** okay. richard  . . . i must know. who did?

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1713F.398C5120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:06:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06872; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:44:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:35:13 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003d01c17142$124b75c0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3d.14a5d642.292a7d8e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > miko, > >while avoiding comparisons to bland, banal forms we all seem to loathe here? > i *love* bland & banal music! > best, > dt / s-c Just trying to cut the mass of static that might have ensued had I not dismissed at least some assumed segments! Speaking of banal... I'm trying to finish a 'Lounge' project at this very moment. Hoping to take the spirit and osterize it a bit... -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:16:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06839; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:43:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:33:44 EST Subject: Gear for sale (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA06289 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for sale Husqvana 242 chainsaw 12in bar £200 ONO apply off list " vintage 90's performance " sorry, no MIDI andy b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:17:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07487; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:55:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:55:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:41:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your input, everyone...saves me spending some cash and being bitter and twisted after the fact. so here's the next question: I'm using the jamman and mofx in mono for my guitar rig. aux 1 and 2 go to each unit respectively, and they return on their own mono channels on the mixer. the ernie ball stereo pedal seems to have some sort of panning ability. could i run each mono aux send into the pedal, then the respective out into each unit (say jammie on left, mofx on right)? then by panning the pedal center, you would send audio to 'both' units, but by engaging the panning, you could isolate sending either to the jammie (left), or to the mofx (right)? would that work, ya think? if this would work, that would be pretty sweet, with control via one pedal. i'd fork out the dough for that, i think. will the ernie ball handle the line level signal coming from the mixer aux? thanks in advance, rich >Hi, Rich >I use volume pedals essentially as you describe, mainly in front of >delay-looping devices to control input. Believe me, I've tried Roland FV >Low impedance, Proel, even those crappy Rolls...NONE of 'em would >completely screen the delay from leaked audio, until I got an EBall...which >was $130+ for stereo! (from Guitar Heaven). I'd LOVE to find a workable >cheaper pedal...I've even tried having a tech modify the Rolands, to no >avail. >I'm OK with the Roland pedals as returns to mixer chanels from outboard fx, >but not as sends. I prefer EV5, or Proel exp pedals to control input or >level parameters in the fx itself. >David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07126; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:48:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:48:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:38:36 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004501c17142$8be1dd20$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <86.12bb1178.292935b1@aol.com> <007101c170a6$c55a5c40$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The subject of originality sometimes seems so completely focused on creating, seemingly from scratch with no references to other people's work, etc. The folk tradition otoh, focuses on taking given forms and breathing new life into them. > Thanks for these thoughts, Miko. I would venture to say (could be wrong) that we are all folk musicians in a loopy sense. hasn't a lot of what we do been done before? why are we still fascinated with it as a methodology and technique? possibly because it's a portal through which we can express 'ourselves'? For me, it's a strange combination of laziness (improv auto-accompaniment), and serendipity... the search for the happy accident. I rarely use my looper to study or practice song segments or build repeatable compositions. Maybe I should? Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09624; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:11:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:11:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:00:30 -0800 Subject: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this Eno/Fripp talk has got my loopie juices flowing. Every once and a while I will be in a noisy public place and I will experience a phenomenon for which there must be a name. All the sounds in the place are competing for my attention/interpretation and the result is a perceived piece of music which is greater than the sum of its parts. The best place I've found for this is the Metro where there will be two or three distant boomboxes, rhythmic train sounds, unintelligible announcements on the PA, and lots of other background noise fading in and out of the mix. Its as if my brain is desperate to hear a coherent melody and harmony and so creates it. Has anyone here experienced this? Is there a name for it? W. A. Mathieu ("The Listening Book") talks about listening to background sounds as if they were music but I don't remember him giving it a name or describing that which is heard as a synthesis created from the background. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:46:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09816; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:14:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:14:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011119140414.00b76a50@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:05:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals In-Reply-To: <10d.8d74707.292ad185@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Haven't tried anything from VisualSound - but they do show up on eBay from time to time... At 04:20 PM 2001/11/19 -0500, dt wrote: >sean_@mindspring.com writes: > >but hi-gain distortion, only ErnieBall results in nothing > >getting thru to the pre. >the volume peds from VisualSound work well, like that --- but maybe they're >out-of-print? >best, >dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10165; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF9834A.9CEBCE0B@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:10:18 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop mode decay question References: <051801c1712e$bf7d0380$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote: > > > I'm impressed a 10 year old hardware design uses Dilithium Crystals, I > > would've thought they were prohibitively expensive... > > Hey, Mark, don't you remember? In "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"? You > know that part where Kirk and friends have returned to Earth circa 1986? > > There's that scene where they unexpectedly visit Matthias and leave behind a > unknown "package". > > If you can't remember it, that's OK. I can't remember it either... Matthias if this is true.... you say, you dont remember ..... stop smoking man ta di ta da ti, daaaaaaa Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10149; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074314@mitorexch01.maritz.com> References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074314@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:02:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks, steuart. btw, how was the gig at the angel's gate? sorry i missed it... wife has flu = ain't going nowhere cut my finger pretty bad = ain't playing guitar ASIO errors galore on the 'puter = ain't making music mmmmm....tv personal gripe: Emagic's phone support blows. If i wanted to speak with what seems like a stoned teenager, i'd call Blockbuster Video for gosh sakes. 'uhhhh...make sure you're using the latest drivers....' "yes, i am, and it's still happening" 'uhhhhh...turn up the buffer' "yes, i have, and it's still happening" 'uhhhh...trash prefs file' "yes, i have, and it's still happening" 'uhhhhh....' >** maybe try the smaller roland/boss fv-60/50 thingies (the fv-50 >comes in two different impedences however, gotta be careful). > >stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 17:55:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10164; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:19:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074316@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: proel volume/expression pedals Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:08:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17146.BE86F6D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17146.BE86F6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" the volume peds from VisualSound work well, like that --- but maybe they're out-of-print? ** yeah, i think they are. also, i didn't have good luck with one - - very scratchy. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17146.BE86F6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: proel volume/expression pedals

the volume peds from VisualSound work well, like that --- but maybe they're
out-of-print?

** yeah, i think they are. also, i didn't have good luck with one - - very scratchy.

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17146.BE86F6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 18:28:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13906; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:02:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:02:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhREBj8AmqRj2F9cUhzvMaO6tzPtcwIVAM0x/xgkiVpqBV3hdBH6zP0vyIRa From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:52:40 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: meet'n'greets Was: Re: Frippertronic label - a possible reason? Message-ID: <24809-3BF98D38-1598@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Legion 's message of Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:11:44 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, Adrian is cool like that. On the last tour when there was all six of them, I saw them at the Hard Rock in Las Vegas and after the show he came out to the bar pulled up a chair next to me and my freinds and started shootin the shit like he was one of the boys. It wasnt too long before everyone noticed him and gathered around . But it was a cool short conversation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 18:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14935; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011119231245.41939.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:12:45 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: original vs. good To: looper list In-Reply-To: <005901c170d6$2cdedd80$0201a8c0@stephen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > This is terribly assumptive of all people. I > believe that, if one gave > everyone in the world a red crayon and told them to > draw a house, perhaps > 25% (if that!) would produce a drawing at all, and > most of those would be > attempted duplicates of what was perceived to be > "the most popular" drawing > of a house. Remember back to when we were children, > folks. yah, you are proably right. In an attempt to make a point I gave the human race way to much credit ( what am I, a hippie?) anyway, what i was trying to say is that I think being original can't be forced. trying harder doesn't make one more original, just more contrived IMO. So I feel originality is more a function of intention than end product - for example, if my honest creative expression ends up sounding similar to yours I think it's still original because its my pure honest expression. If I copy you with the intent of passing it off as my own than clearly its not original. Only the creator knows if his/her motives are pure, everyone else comes to their own conclusion (correct or not) based on listening to the "end product". So I believe if I am creating from a "pure place" (motivated by the "right" reasons) I will naturally be whatever it is I currently am and therefore original. (Gee, could I have been a little wordier?!) -AS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 18:58:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14913; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:21:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:21:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011119231243.61455.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:12:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: OT: sequencer inventor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In response to: > >I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would be nice if > >peope perceived as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting > >sources. > Richard Zvonar wrote: > I was witness to an example of that during a panel about the early > years of analog synthesizers, featuring Bob Moog and several of his > associates. When the the topic of Moog's sequencer module came up Bob > > said, "oh, that was an idea I copped from Don Buchla." > Richard Zvonar, PhD I don't doubt that Moog said that. However, I was under the impression that Raymond Scott was the 'inventor' of the the musical sequencer. Moog wrote:- "Raymond Scott was definitely in the forefront of developing electronic music technology, and in the forefront of using it commercially as a musician. He was the first -- he foresaw the use of sequencers and electronic oscillators to make sounds. These were the watershed uses of electronic circuitry." and "When I first worked for him in the 1950s, he had built a sequencer with relays, motors, steppers and electronic.circuits. I had-never-seen-anything-like.it.'' Raymond Scott wrote: Gentlemen: I have a story that may be of interest to you. It is not widely known who invented the circuitry concept for the automatic sequential performance of musical pitches - now well known as a sequencer. I, however, do know who the inventor was - for it was I who first conceived and built the sequencer. Bob Moog, who visited me occasionally at my lab on Long Island, was among the first to see and witness the performance of my UJT-Relay sequencer. To digress for a bit: I was so secretive about my development activities - perhaps neurotically so - that I was always reminding Bob that he mustn't copy or reveal my sequencer work to anyone. I understand, now, my personal need for secrecy at that time. Electronic music for commercials and films was my living then - and I thought I had this great advantage - because of my sequencer. Word naturally got around about the nature of what my device accomplished, but Bob Moog continued to be loyal. I must say Bob Moog is a most honorable person. He steadfastly refrained from embodying my sequencer in his equipment line until the sheer pressure of so many manufacturers using the sequencer forced him to compete. Yet, he used the simplest version, though he knew about my most advanced sequencer. Quite a gentleman, and a super talent besides. Now, with the passing of years, I guess I regret my secrecy and would like for people to know of what I accomplished. -Raymond Scott http://raymondscott.com/moog.html regards, bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 19:07:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15810; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:41:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:41:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Gear for sale (OT) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:31:11 -0600 Message-ID: <00ee01c17152$4598e6f0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA15408 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is not only OT as far as looping is concerned (unless you are calling the chain a loop), its OT musically as well! > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Gear for sale (OT) > > > for sale > Husqvana 242 chainsaw > 12in bar > £200 ONO > apply off list > > " vintage 90's performance " > > sorry, no MIDI > > andy b > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 19:10:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16031; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:45:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074319@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: proel volume/expression pedals Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:25:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17151.7B9163A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17151.7B9163A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" btw, how was the gig at the angel's gate? sorry i missed it... ** it was pretty good from what i can tell. the band was behind a scrim so i couldn't really see the dance portion - - and was too involved conducting/playing the stuff to pay attention anyway. i'm hoping to see a video to get an idea. it was fun/good i think. nice to have 85% of the night be devoted to dance on my original written material -- at least i think it was original ;-) wife has flu = ain't going nowhere cut my finger pretty bad = ain't playing guitar ASIO errors galore on the 'puter = ain't making music ** sounds like a good day to stay in. hope things are getting better. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17151.7B9163A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: proel volume/expression pedals

btw, how was the gig at the angel's gate?  sorry i m= issed it...

** it was pretty good from what i can tell. the band was = behind a scrim so i couldn't really see the dance portion - - and was too i= nvolved conducting/playing the stuff to pay attention anyway. i'm hoping to= see a video to get an idea. it was fun/good i think. nice to have 85% of t= he night be devoted to dance on my original written material -- at least i = think it was original  ;-)

wife has flu =3D ain't going nowhere
cut my finger pretty bad =3D ain't playing guitar
ASIO errors galore on the 'puter =3D ain't making music<= /FONT>

** sounds like a good day to stay in.

hope things are getting better.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17151.7B9163A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 19:30:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18291; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:06:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:06:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah -inquirin minds wanna know-what is it called? here is what happens to moi: there is this 2 day concert thang in the bay area-sf,cali and its called 'new orleans by the bay' at the shoreline ampitheatre,and when i approach the venue there are multiple stages so there is a number of bands playing at the same time but still far enough away from each other so they dont interfere w/one another-but you can stand in certain sweet spots and hear 2 or 3 bands at the same time and if ya cock yer head in the right direction you get this multi dimensional-multi timbral-polyrhythmic glorious sound. is it music,noise or what but i make sense out of it and sounds beauteous. s on 11/19/01 2:00 PM, Allan Hoeltje at ahoeltje@best.com wrote: > > Every once and a while I will be in a noisy public place and I will > experience a phenomenon for which there must be a name. All the sounds in > the place are competing for my attention/interpretation and the result is a > perceived piece of music which is greater than the sum of its parts. > > The best place I've found for this is the Metro where there will be two or > three distant boomboxes, rhythmic train sounds, unintelligible announcements > on the PA, and lots of other background noise fading in and out of the mix. > Its as if my brain is desperate to hear a coherent melody and harmony and so > creates it. > > Has anyone here experienced this? Is there a name for it? W. A. Mathieu > ("The Listening Book") talks about listening to background sounds as if they > were music but I don't remember him giving it a name or describing that > which is heard as a synthesis created from the background. > > -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 19:50:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19003; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:22:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:22:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BF99FE8.76E6CCD0@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:12:24 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gear for sale (OT) References: <00ee01c17152$4598e6f0$420e88cf@stevespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "M. Steven Ginn" wrote: > > This is not only OT as far as looping is concerned (unless you are > calling the chain a loop), its OT musically as well! no no I promiss, this is made with an eeelectric guitarrr ! sais the guy with the LD TShirt no shit... Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 19:57:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19437; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:30:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <127.75bb638.292afbfd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:21:17 EST Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <52u4QB.A.joE.4Ia-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com miko, on his new lounge music: >Hoping to take the spirit and osterize it a bit... being an sf-dude (?right?), you've probably heard 'tipsy', eh? dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 19:58:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19613; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <39.1de23db4.292afca9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:24:09 EST Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >Emagic's phone support blows. If i wanted to speak with what seems >like a stoned teenager, i'd call Blockbuster Video for gosh sakes. tried ye emailing to jeff bohnhoff? jbohnhoff@emagicusa.com best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 19:58:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19557; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:32:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:32:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: ramblings on originality/goodness Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:09:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17157.A653AE80" Resent-Message-ID: <1jwdZB.A.wqE.wKa-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17157.A653AE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" mr lawson was offering: ** and i gave rambling responses . . . Is it more important to be 'original' or be 'good'? We all love the notion that we could be innovators. ** here's my late-ish take on this. was beethoven original? (some will say he was no good, but no matter.) after all, he basically built on the groundwork laid by hadyn. mozart, etc. - - he basically used the same technology, he used the same formal constructs . . . but it was what he DID with all of that and how he furthered along in his own vision. i think someone on the list (two/three/four weeks ago, in a different thread) had cited the idea of taking basic trends that are around in one's environment and making them one's own and recombining them in (somewhat) different ways that connected with other people (timeframe and number unspecified). taking off from this idea, maybe the essential crux of the issue is regurgitation versus recombination and injection of one's own "vision" (not to say that one can't fool oneself into thinking that one isn't regurgitating when one is). schubert wasn't particularly "original," but he was "good." ** i also tend to believe in the idea that certain things are in the air. i have friend who mentions having played with a bass player who had many of the "jaco attributes" before jaco hit; when he heard jaco, he was "oh jaco has the same sound as X." but, of course, jaco made it HIS. maybe it's just in the air and there are those who really codify it. Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretical terms because he was taking that which was being caried out largely in academia and then regurgitating it in a pop context (or even that which was being used in a fringe pop way, and making it a little more mainstream)? ** under the above criteria: did he make it "his own"? are we just worrying about the tech issue? or is it the name issue?? (i personally feel a more generic, less person-specific name is a better choice.) I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would be nice if peope perceived as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting sources. ** the other side of this is people saying, "oh, you sound like so-and-so" - - or people who want to know "who you sound like" when asking about what you do. On a small scale, I'm fairly quick to point out to people who have had no other introduction to looping, e-bow, solo bass or whatever else I might be dabbling in at the time that I'm not the only person in the world using those things, and that what I do is a mish-mash of influences, some of whom loop, ** but these are just technology issues, right? they don't really adress the music. do you sound like these people? if not, what of the tech usage???? So is it more important to be original than good? obviously a combination is preferable, but if one is choosing aims and goals, are either valid? Or is self-expression at any cost the goal? or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit of meaning, which seems to have morphed somewhere in the last few years into the pursuit of novelty... ** it all seems pretty relative when you start asking these questions . . . * for me, i think a lot of it comes down to the intent of each artist. if i go hear someone play whose music is about the playing - - their technique, their emotion, the "is-ness" (if you get my drift) of their playing - - they better come up with the goods. if i go hear someone whose music is about their writing, well i expect the writing to really say something - - either about how clever they are, their use of form or how much emotion they can wring out of something - - the "is-ness" of the writing. ( i think of someone like 'trane, who i think is more about theplaying than the writing, whereas wayne shorter might be about both.) if the person is supposed to be "original" in either of these presentations, they really better come up with it - - and the final arbiter is gonna be how much of themselves is in their offerings/ideas. stig oh yeah, this is confidential, don't steal it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17157.A653AE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ramblings on originality/goodness

mr lawson was offering:

** and i gave rambling responses . . .

Is it more important to be 'original' or be 'good'? We al= l love the notion that we could be innovators.

** here's my late-ish take on this. was beethoven origina= l? (some will say he was no good, but no matter.) after all, he basically b= uilt on the groundwork laid by hadyn. mozart, etc. - - he basically used th= e same technology, he used the same formal constructs . . . but it was what= he DID with all of that and how he furthered along in his own vision. i th= ink someone on the list (two/three/four weeks ago, in a different thread) h= ad cited the idea of taking basic trends that are around in one's environme= nt and making them one's own and recombining them in (somewhat) different w= ays that connected with other people (timeframe and number unspecified). ta= king off from this idea, maybe the essential crux of the issue is regurgita= tion versus recombination and injection of one's own "vision" (no= t to say that one can't fool oneself into thinking that one isn't regurgita= ting when one is).  schubert wasn't particularly "original,"= but he was "good."

** i also tend to believe in the idea that certain things= are in the air. i have  friend who mentions having played with a bass= player who had many of the "jaco attributes" before jaco hit; wh= en he heard jaco, he was "oh jaco has the same sound as X." but, = of course, jaco made it HIS. maybe it's just in the air and there are those= who really codify it.



Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretic= al terms because he was taking that which was being caried
out largely in academia and then regurgitating it in a p= op context (or even that which was being used in a fringe pop way,

and making it a little more mainstream)?

** under the above criteria: did he make it "his own= "? are we just worrying about the tech issue? or is it the name issue?= ? (i personally feel a more generic, less person-specific name is a better = choice.)



I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would= be nice if peope perceived
as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting sour= ces.

** the other side of this is people saying, "oh, you= sound like so-and-so" - - or people who want to know "who you so= und like" when asking about what you do.



On a small scale, I'm fairly quick to point out to people= who have had no other introduction to looping, e-bow, solo bass or whateve= r else I might be dabbling in at the time that I'm not the only person in t= he world using those things, and that what I do is a mish-mash of influence= s, some of whom loop,

** but these are just technology issues, right? they don'= t really adress the music. do you sound like these people? if not, what of = the tech usage????



So is it more important to be original than good? obvious= ly a combination is preferable, but if one is choosing aims and

goals, are either valid? Or is self-expression at any cos= t the goal? or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit

of meaning, which seems to have morphed somewhere in the = last few years into the pursuit of novelty...

** it all seems pretty relative when you start asking the= se questions . . .

* for me, i think a lot of it comes down to the intent of= each artist. if i go hear someone play whose music is about the playing - = - their technique, their emotion, the "is-ness" (if you get my dr= ift) of their playing - - they better come up with the goods. if i go hear = someone whose music is about their writing, well i expect the writing to re= ally say something - - either about how clever they are, their use of form = or how much emotion they can wring out of something - - the "is-ness&q= uot; of the writing. ( i think of someone like 'trane, who i think is more = about theplaying than the writing, whereas wayne shorter might be about bot= h.) if the person is supposed to be "original" in either of these= presentations, they really better come up with it - - and the final arbite= r is gonna be how much of themselves is in their offerings/ideas.

stig

oh yeah, this is confidential, don't steal it!!!!!!!!!!!!= !






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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17157.A653AE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 20:17:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19650; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:34:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <148.4d945b8.292afcdb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:24:59 EST Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >** yeah, i think they are. also, i didn't have good luck with one - - very >scratchy. so quickly fixed, w/a blast of air, though..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 20:18:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20420; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:49:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:49:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:40:12 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005d01c1715b$ea5339d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C17129.9FA0D500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074315@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C17129.9FA0D500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...>>Arnold=20 >>Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are deservedly=20 >>famous for their development and exploitation of these things.=20 >** okay. richard . . . i must know. who did?=20 >stig=20 the harvard dictionary of music says "the term is most commonly applied = to music=20 by Arnold Schoenberg and his followers, though Josef Matthias Hauer = actually=20 developed a somewhat different type of twelve-tone composition shortly = before Schoenberg." i think maybe shchoenberg did invent it. he just wasn't the first to do so. there is an interesting theory called "morphogenics" that explains why = ideas often occur simultaneously by people who are not in direct communication = through=20 "morphic resonance" in the collective mind or whatever... now if i can just tune my radio to the morphic resonance, i can be the = next beatles.... heeeyyyy,... put the mayo in the can with the tuna; FEED THE TUNA MAYONNAISE!!! ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C17129.9FA0D500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...
>>Arnold=20
>>Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are = deservedly=20
>>famous for their development and exploitation of these = things.=20
 
 
 
>** okay. = richard  . . .=20 i must know. who did?
 
>stig=20
 
the harvard = dictionary of music=20 says "the term is most commonly applied to music =
by Arnold = Schoenberg and his=20 followers, though Josef Matthias Hauer actually =
developed a = somewhat different=20 type of twelve-tone composition shortly before=20 Schoenberg."
 
i think maybe = shchoenberg did=20 invent it.
he just wasn't the = first to do=20 so.
 
there is an interesting theory = called=20 "morphogenics" that explains why ideas often
occur simultaneously by people = who are not in=20 direct communication through 
"morphic = resonance" in the=20 collective mind or whatever...
 
now if i can = just tune my=20 radio to the morphic resonance, i can be the next=20 beatles....
 
heeeyyyy,...
put the mayo in = the can with the=20 tuna;
FEED THE TUNA=20 MAYONNAISE!!!
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C17129.9FA0D500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 20:19:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19554; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:32:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:32:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT- portland, OR? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:23:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 00:23:03.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[8462F3B0:01C17159] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Everyone, I'm looking into moving to Portland, Oregon, as the SF Bay area is getting too expensive. I'm going up to take a look at apartments and job ads just after thanksgiving. Are there any locals on this list with any advice as to convenient, artsy, nice neighborhoods with public transportation? Thanks, Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 20:30:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22584; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:01:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39.1de23db4.292afca9@aol.com> References: <39.1de23db4.292afca9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:46:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT: emagic support and logic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com david, thanks for the tip. i'm home tonight trying to get the damn thing to work right. more extension disabling (though i'm running pretty darn slim already), et cetera. if that doesn't work, i will contact jeff directly. thank you very much! rich ps. see if this one makes any sense. mac g4/350, sys. 9.1, logic plat 4.8.1 (or 4.7.0, or 4.7.3), motu 828. current drivers on all. asio errors: can't process all data in time if i get an error or two, the fricking keyboard locks. not the mouse, but the keys. so then i can't switch windows in logic, or enter names, nothing. mousing the menu allows me to get out and restart. i've swapped keyboards. i've swapped drives and memory into another g4/350. this is not a hardware issue, methinks. ah well, we'll keep workin' at it. thanks for the connection. >rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >>Emagic's phone support blows. If i wanted to speak with what seems >>like a stoned teenager, i'd call Blockbuster Video for gosh sakes. >tried ye emailing to jeff bohnhoff? >jbohnhoff@emagicusa.com >best, >dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 20:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21962; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:59:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:59:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:44:05 -0600 Message-ID: <01c17164$d71f3720$f7a7580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snips -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals >sean_@mindspring.com writes: >>but hi-gain distortion, only ErnieBall results in nothing >>getting thru to the pre. >the volume peds from VisualSound work well, like that --- but maybe they're >out-of-print? >best, >dt / s-c they are discontinued but pop up on EBay now and again. and they are very smooth Pedro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 20:47:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23208; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:16:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:16:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c1715e$6c002d60$fbb9e83f@oemcomputer> From: "pepetr" To: "rich" , References: Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:58:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >They don't work very well as audio > >volume controls since they don't go to full off when backed out all the > >way, My Proels do (now I tried it again, to make sure). Being able to cut off the volume completely and not to leak is a crucial feature for me (I use the mono for guitar volume control as well). In the stereo one (marked L) they may not cut off the volume if the knob is set not right (it confused me once or twice). But if the knob is fully turned to max, in my set up they cut the volume completely. petr www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 20:59:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24281; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:35:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:35:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431C@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: proel volume/expression pedals Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:24:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17162.29D96010" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17162.29D96010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" so quickly fixed, w/a blast of air, though..... **tried numerous things. including air i think . . . didn't work for me. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. 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so quickly fixed, w/a blast of air, though.....

**tried numerous things. including air i think . . .

didn't work for me.

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17162.29D96010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 21:13:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24917; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:45:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:45:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:30:19 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074315@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1205902350==_ma============" References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074315@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1205902350==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" RZ wrote: >Arnold Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are deservedly >famous for their development and exploitation of these things. > At 4:14 PM -0500 11/19/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** okay. richard . . . i must know. who did? Josef Matthias Hauer (1883-1959) http://www.ibiblio.org/johncovach/hauerbio.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1205902350==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...
RZ wrote:

Arnold Schoenberg didn't invent the 12-tone row, but they are deservedly
famous for their development and exploitation of these things.

At 4:14 PM -0500 11/19/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote:
** okay. richard  . . . i must know. who did?

Josef Matthias Hauer (1883-1959)

http://www.ibiblio.org/johncovach/hauerbio.htm


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--============_-1205902350==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 21:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27558; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c17167$1bfb2aa0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> From: "Peter Badore" To: References: <107.8db2d13.292a746c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript > pb, > i'm sorry if ya took my blubbering as 'personal'; it wasn't meant that way, > as i don't know you..... > i did respond to what you *wrote* --- which was apparently somewhat > out-of-context w/what you *meant*: > internet / written word / agenda, all come into play, here. > best, > dt / s-c What about *interpretation*, the key issue here? I resent your sarcasm represented by the asterisks, but I also apologize if I wasn't clear enough at the beginning. I assure everyone I'm not crazy or making this up when I say I found a few downloads on either LD (might have been CD1 but they're deleted) or off Elephant Talk but can't recall exactly where. Earlier today I made a search but to no avail. But these people labelled their work "Soundscapes" in relation to KC material. Hence my comments. But let's put your original thoughts in a proper perspective. If I said: "Hey you motherfuckin' asshole loopers! You don't know shit about what you're doin'! All you're doing is copying soundscapes which was invented by the great Robert Fripp years ago after he created Frippertronics. Copycat candyasses!" NOW I deserve every counterattack from the past couple of days! However, I accept your apology; but please keep in mind you started a precedent that fortunately is now waning, aside from Sottilaro's continuing childishness which has long worn out (even I stopped the hanky lines). Our society today enjoys attacking itself and who cares if there's no real reason for it? I'm also sorry I wasted everyone's time, including my own. Once I had gotten everything together I was hoping to put something on LD, but now everything's gone to waste. Perhaps in time I'll either return or - more likely - find another outlet for my music. PB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 21:39:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27599; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:09:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:01:02 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01d901c17167$34b54670$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i tried using the ernie ball volume pedal as an expression pedal but found the log-taper to be unworkable. i don't think they make a linear-taper version.... on the other hand, i really like the amount of pedal travel, the ability to set and leave at a particular spot, and the nigh-invulnerable construction. i may yet try to retrofit a linear-taper pot... ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:09 AM Subject: OT: proel volume/expression pedals > hey all, > > i know this has been discussed briefly before, but i'm looking into > buying a few of the Proel stereo volume pedals. They have 100k > linear pots in them. > > can anybody give a brief analysis of this pot for use as an > expression pedal? their initial use will definitely be for volume > pedals, but can i use them as expression pedals? how would they > compare to the expression pedals i have now? i have a boss EV5 and a > line6 pedal. > > i know the big aluminum ernie ball pedals get used as exp. pedals a > lot. what is the potentiometer in those pedals? > > any info is appreciated. does anybody have any experience with the > proel pedals? > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 22:55:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00737; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:32:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:32:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011120032255.91786.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:22:55 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript To: looper list In-Reply-To: <001201c17167$1bfb2aa0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > my own. Once I had > gotten everything together I was hoping to put > something on LD, but now > everything's gone to waste. Perhaps in time I'll > either return or - more > likely - find another outlet for my music. > Why not still post on LD? after reading the debate over the last few days I am rather curious to hear your loopage. -AS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 23:12:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01345; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:41:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:41:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: D-Two Critique Request Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:31:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20011119231243.61455.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8fp3CB.A.EM.e7c-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh loopers of vast resource (especially RZ): I want to loop MIDI drum noise in a looper that will then send MIDI clock to my Echoplex Digital Pro, will be the main "canvas" of my looping--I'm back to using my keen-o doubleneck Ztar for synth noise, EDP triggering and guitar wanking. I would love to hear pro and con of the TC Electronic D-Two with regard to this application, especially the MIDI clock output. If by some chance someone else is already doing what I'm proposing, for goodness sake, please give me a full run down. Short of that, any comments on the D-Two are much appreciated--and private email is fine, although I feel pretty good about the high thread count of this one. Any comparison of this unit with other looper is thoroughly appropriate and welcome. And, how come dt don't use a d-two? Hey, one more thing. Who in San Diego wants to do a Looper's Night somewhere? Gaslamp district? Dizzy's? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 19 23:14:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01973; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:52:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:52:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011119224101.007fe100@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:41:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript In-Reply-To: <001201c17167$1bfb2aa0$a6c1a918@rochester.rr.com> References: <107.8db2d13.292a746c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:00 PM 11/19/01 -0500, PB wrote: >I resent your sarcasm represented by the asterisks Hmmm, and I thought he was just using them for emphasis. [This thread (and the one running concurrently yesterday on the Torn list) reminds me of that scene in 'Back to School' when the prof tells Rodney Dangerfield 'Whoever wrote this paper obviously knows nothing about Kurt Vonnegut"...] >I was hoping to put something on LD, but now >everything's gone to waste. ???? -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 00:16:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07326; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:55:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:55:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:46:12 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever In-reply-to: X-Sender: cbm@mail.beatnik.com (Unverified) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've called this, when walking around and finding a good mix of disparate sound sources, an "Ives point" or "Ives moment". One of the best of these was when I lived in Brookdale on a hill on one side of a valley in the Santa Cruz mountains. I walked out my front door and heard one of the most fantastic singing drones. After regaining the ability to walk I walked down the hill towards what we euphemistically called "town". I was about a half of a mile down the road before I saw the source of the angelic drone: several men on the roof of the Brookdale Lodge using circular power saws. It was revelatory. More on the Brookdale Lodge, which is rumored to be haunted: Chris At 2:00 PM -0800 11/19/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >All this Eno/Fripp talk has got my loopie juices flowing. > >Every once and a while I will be in a noisy public place and I will >experience a phenomenon for which there must be a name. All the sounds in >the place are competing for my attention/interpretation and the result is a >perceived piece of music which is greater than the sum of its parts. > >The best place I've found for this is the Metro where there will be two or >three distant boomboxes, rhythmic train sounds, unintelligible announcements >on the PA, and lots of other background noise fading in and out of the mix. >Its as if my brain is desperate to hear a coherent melody and harmony and so >creates it. > >Has anyone here experienced this? Is there a name for it? W. A. Mathieu >("The Listening Book") talks about listening to background sounds as if they >were music but I don't remember him giving it a name or describing that >which is heard as a synthesis created from the background. > >-Allan -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 00:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06791; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:37:22 EST Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's it...."Copycat Candyass Motherfuckin' Asshole Loopers" Finally a good name for a loop band.....I need Fripp and Torn to commit for starters..I'll e-mail Fripp..... what say ye dt? We'll get Gibson & Electrix to underwrite the "incidentals". We can call it the "Original Thought" tour and play mostly covers.... b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 01:06:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10877; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:25:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:25:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015a01c17183$748df780$9c56e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <20011119231243.61455.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sequencer inventor - OT Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:23:14 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Word naturally got around about the nature of what my device > accomplished, but Bob Moog continued to be loyal. I must say Bob Moog > is a most honorable person. He steadfastly refrained from embodying my > sequencer in his equipment line until the sheer pressure of so many > manufacturers using the sequencer forced him to compete. Yet, he used > the simplest version, though he knew about my most advanced sequencer. > Quite a gentleman, and a super talent besides. > > Now, with the passing of years, I guess I regret my secrecy and would > like for people to know of what I accomplished. > > -Raymond Scott > http://raymondscott.com/moog.html > > regards, > bret I hadn't heard of Raymond Scott before the discussion on this list (and I'm a synth-guy)! He seems like a very interesting character and also reminds me a bit of fellow electronic instrument designer Hugh LeCaine - if you know who I mean. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.mp3.com/dreamSTATE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 01:20:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12375; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:51:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:51:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:41:44 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009701c17186$09c44aa0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <127.75bb638.292afbfd@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5UkV3D.A.L6C.P1e-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> miko, on his new lounge music: Hoping to take the spirit and osterize it a bit... > being an sf-dude (?right?), you've probably heard 'tipsy', eh? dt / s-c I'm sadly negligent in my current listening but will check it out. Thanks! I've gotten so tired lately of seriousness... I need a major silly fix. (this could all be the result of losing my day job?) -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 01:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15228; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:17:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:08:38 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: sequencer inventor In-reply-to: <20011119231243.61455.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20011119231243.61455.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bob Moog said: >"oh, [the sequencer] was an idea I copped from Don Buchla." At 3:12 PM -0800 11/19/01, Bret wrote: >I don't doubt that Moog said that. However, I was under the impression >that Raymond Scott was the 'inventor' of the the musical sequencer. I think this is a matter that needs to be put to Bob Moog himself, because he credits both Scott and Buchla with inspiring his sequencer design. It may be that both are true in some fashion. The specific design of Buchla's control voltage sequencer modules is probably closer to Moog's later design than was Scott's early design. In any case it is certainly true that Scott beat Buchla to the punch by a few years. Unfortunately, he kept it a closely guarded secret. Buchla's sequencer was certainly the first one that received general exposure. BTW - I highly recommend Raymond Scott's wonderful book and CD set: 144 pages filled with articles, interviews, photos, drawings, schematics, and two CDs of Scott's music. http://www.RaymondScott.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 02:05:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16759; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:44:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:44:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Thread-Index: AcFxjZdf2yOYb2LvTj2jg5XE5+XobA== From: "Wolf, Bill" To: "Allan Hoeltje" , "Loopers Delight" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA16251 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eno descibes something in a Wired interview he did a few years ago where he recorded a two minute loop of street noise and listened to it over and over. At a certain point he came to anticipate and love each event such a car passing. It makes sense to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 02:54:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20498; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:24:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:24:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: D-Two Critique Request Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:15:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sent out a call for info, saying: I want to loop MIDI drum noise in a looper that will then send MIDI clock to my Echoplex Digital Pro, which will be the main "canvas" of my looping-- Etc, etc . . . then I downloaded the manual for the D-Two, and it looks like the D-Two doesn't send clock, only receives it (!). Maybe the Repeater will work (?) Any thoughts on this need? Another EDP? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 03:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25567; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:36:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:36:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:26:44 -0800 Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009701c17186$09c44aa0$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey yall-me bein a ess effin let me pipe in on . seen um a few times and picked up their record and have to say disapointed-for me it was just too derivative- i guess samplin things that i'm familiar w/ from its original form i just never think the sampling approaches the beauty of the 1st time.(for example the 1st song samples the 1st bar of a great ol' tune-"sally go 'round the roses" by the jaynetts-now that song is one all time great tunes and it includes tape looping i think and thats probably why they chose it) probably wouldnt be true if i didnt recognize the sample tho'. 'course thats just me. s on 11/19/01 9:41 PM, Miko Biffle at biffoz@pacbell.net wrote: >>> miko, on his new lounge music: Hoping to take the spirit and osterize it > a bit... > >> being an sf-dude (?right?), you've probably heard 'tipsy', eh? dt / s-c > > I'm sadly negligent in my current listening but will check it out. Thanks! > I've gotten so tired lately of seriousness... I need a major silly fix. > (this could all be the result of losing my day job?) -miko > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 04:27:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26775; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:56:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c801c1719f$7e2cf9a0$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: blatantly copying Bob-O ... why feel guilty? Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:43:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich said: >after this thread... now i'm really feeling guilty for my liner >notes, where my credits of 'loops and treatments' is a direct, >intentional cop from mr. eno. and 'bass vibrations' a direct and >intentional cop from spacemen3. I blatantly copy Bob, crediting myself on everything my band does to "Organ and Devices". I do not feel guilty about this, because ... well ... I just don't. I figure there's quite a bit of humour in someone that lugs a Hammond and two Leslies around and calls it "small and mobile" ... that is, a soul organist who's as influenced by Bob Fripp as Booker T Jones strikes me as kind of funny. When I play a gig, they ask me if I like Jimmy Smith. I say "Nah ... that guy's an asshole." Then I point out the pewter KC (Thrak tour) pin on my lapel ... and say "that's my favourite band." Well, I have a lot of favourites ... but its always good to distance yourself as much from the genre you're operating in as possible. But, Bob is not the only thing I blatantly copy. Not by long shot. I don't claim originality or creativity. I'm not here to "make a statement". I do what I enjoy, and some people here in Peoria IL like what I do. I have fun with the music. I will play the most banal covers you'll ever want to hear ... the sort of stuff that prog peeps say is "lame" and Bob says is "the humiliating act of being a professional musician". But right after I play "Fly Like An Eagle", I'll throw that Isaac Hayes number ("Hung Up On My Baby") with the extended ambient loop over the top of it. But I _never_ play a song I don't like. My best friend's favourite band is Shellac. His last album sounds _exactly_ like Shellac with the singer from Blonde Redhead singing. He will not admit to having "influences". I think that's kind of funny. I guess my point is that originality and creativity are subjective and overrated. I'm very open about my influences, I put a bunch of stuff that makes sense to me (but not to some of the people around me ... they have a hard time seeing the direct lines between concepts) in a pot and try to balance it all ... get it to sound good and harmonise. Like what Dave Torn said about synthesisers of concept ... that's my bag. I don't innovate. And I'm not one bit embearassed about it. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 04:45:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29738; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:25:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:25:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C171A4.3158A184" Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:17:35 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP loop mode decay question Thread-Index: AcFxaMcAVvcS4VKvTGic1Hp/SiiAUAAOaMmA From: "Andy Ewen" To: "jim palmer" Cc: Resent-Message-ID: <9Ktnp.A.XIH.7-h-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171A4.3158A184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, Seems I got the answer wrong for 'delay mode', but if you are having this problem in 'loop mode' then changing the crystals will fix the problem. We are using high-tolerance crystals and here is the spec and part number from AEL Crystals. The same spec should be available from any crystal supplier:- =20 =20 49U +10-10/10/10-10+60/30 16MHz X16M000000L260 =20 Andy. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: 20 November 2001 02:12 To: Andy Ewen Subject: Re: EDP loop mode decay question andy, =20 i've had this problem (in loop mode) i'm pretty handy with a soldering iron, can you give me the mf part number for these crystals? =20 thanks... =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Ewen =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question Cliff, This is not normal and we carry out a 24 hour feedback test here on every unit to ensure that the loops do not decay over time. This problem is probably related to the 16MHz crystals in your unit not being quite close enough tolerance. We have found replacing the CRYSTAL Audio Codec chip will also cure the problem. Where are you and how would you like to get this problem fixed? Andy @ Trace Elliot.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] Sent: 09 November 2001 19:06 To: Loopers Delight Subject: EDP loop mode decay question Hiya-=20 =20 I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and it seems even at 100% feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal for delay mode? I wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks-=20 =20 Cliff =20 PS- I love midi these days- DR-5>ER-1>Filter Factory>Mo-Fx>M-One>EDP>JamMan>Computer - I'm only just getting started on this setup but syncopated loops of different lengths comes to mind! :) Never used midi on JM before this week-=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171A4.3158A184 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = Jim,
Seems I got the answer = wrong for=20 'delay mode', but if you are having this problem in 'loop mode' then = changing=20 the crystals will fix the problem. We are using high-tolerance = crystals and=20 here is the spec and part number from AEL Crystals. The same spec should = be=20 available from any crystal supplier:-
 
 
49U +10-10/10/10-10+60/30=20 16MHz
X16M000000L260
 
Andy.

 
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: jim palmer = [mailto:jimp@pobox.com]
Sent:=20 20 November 2001 02:12
To: Andy Ewen
Subject: Re: = EDP loop=20 mode decay question
andy,
 
i've had this problem (in loop=20 mode)
i'm pretty handy with a soldering=20 iron,
can you give me the mf part number = for these=20 crystals?
 
thanks...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Ewen
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 19, = 2001 6:24=20 AM
Subject: RE: EDP loop mode = decay=20 question

Cliff,
This is not normal and = we carry=20 out a 24 hour feedback test here on every unit to ensure that = the loops=20 do not decay over time. This problem is probably related to the = 16MHz=20 crystals in your unit not being quite close enough tolerance. We = have found=20 replacing the CRYSTAL Audio Codec chip will also cure the=20 problem.
Where are you and how = would you=20 like to get this problem fixed?
Andy @ Trace=20 Elliot. 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net]
Sent: 09 November 2001=20 19:06
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: EDP loop = mode decay=20 question

Hiya-
 
I started using my EDP in delay mode a bit and = it seems=20 even at 100% feedback the loop decays over time- is this normal = for delay=20 mode? I wouldn't expect it to be- Thanks-
 
Cliff
 
PS- I love midi these days- = DR-5>ER-1>Filter=20 Factory>Mo-Fx>M-One>EDP>JamMan>Computer - I'm only = just=20 getting started on this setup but syncopated loops of different = lengths=20 comes to mind! :) Never used midi on JM before this week-=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C171A4.3158A184-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 04:46:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29184; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:17:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:17:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:09:02 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP loop mode decay question Thread-Index: AcFxNzCZD+nFnpL9R1WSL0ypNHCWWgAasbng From: "Andy Ewen" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA28850 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This anti-matter is more unstable than our spares girl, Vicki, and she's mad as a brush. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Underwood [mailto:skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com] Sent: 19 November 2001 19:36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question Once again, its probably not so much a case of the expense of the materials, but that anti-matter R&D that's the real bitch. >From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: EDP loop mode decay question >Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0800 > >Andy Ewen wrote: > > >I just saw 'loop decay' and thought of that problem we had with the > >crystals. > >Took me a while to remember where I'd heard the line "We're having problems >with the crystals, Captain" before, then it came to me... > >I'm impressed a 10 year old hardware design uses Dilithium Crystals, I >would've thought they were prohibitively expensive... > >Mark > >(Ducking and running for cover) > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 05:02:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30388; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:38:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:31:45 -0800 Subject: Re: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] From: Mark Hamburg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7d.1e22908c.29294b8f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tried on occasion describing some of the stuff I've done with the instructions "imagine the Cocteau Twins recording for ECM". It generally didn't work mostly because people usually only knew one or the other reference and if you have to explain the shorthand it isn't short any more. I tried "New Age Industrial" as a description for a while as well with similarly poor results. Mark on 11/18/01 9:36 AM, KILLINFO@aol.com at KILLINFO@aol.com wrote: > I am continually bombarded with the same question by people from > all walks of life. No doubt that it's a simple, honest question and > one that deserves at least an attempt at a straightforward answer > (simplicity not always being possible). But what do you do when you > don't have half an hour to explain all of the little nuances and > pseudo historical connections of your personal musical mythology. > > Critics and reviewers have called my own stuff everything from > jazz to metal to electronica to whatever. Sometimes I opt for > the easily generic and say "experimental" (whatever that means). > Sometimes I get in an unreasonable, sarcastic snit and say "easy > listening." I don't know what comes over me in such instances. > > It's good to know that I'm not the only one who ocassionally finds this > question (sometimes) a difficult one to give a short, userfriendly > answer to. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 05:10:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30774; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:45:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:35:01 -0800 Subject: Re: D-Two Critique Request From: Mark Hamburg To: , Gary Lehmann Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It drifts off topic because it isn't really about using them as loopers, but I'm wondering whether anyone has opinions about the DL4 Pro v the D-Two as a fancy delay box? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 06:33:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05132; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c171b2$f9d52f60$dbd81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: Eventide - GTR4000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:03:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C171B2.F8425A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C171B2.F8425A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmmm i still want an eventide !!!!!!!! I have been looking at s/h prices for the eventides and i reackon the = newest one i can afford is the gtr4000. Info being sketchy on this machine (apart from ergghhh John Petrucci = fans), i wondered if anyone had any experiance with them ?????? How much more powerfull are they than the H3000 series ??? thanks David=20 I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C171B2.F8425A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmmmmm i still want an = eventide=20 !!!!!!!!
 
I have been looking at s/h = prices for=20 the eventides and i reackon the newest one i can afford is the=20 gtr4000.
 
Info being sketchy on this = machine=20 (apart from ergghhh John Petrucci fans), i wondered if anyone had any = experiance=20 with them ??????
 
How much more powerfull = are they than=20 the H3000 series ???
 
thanks
 
David
 
I am a danish woman=20 !!!!!!!!!
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C171B2.F8425A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 06:48:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06346; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:27:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011120111916.68909.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:19:16 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] To: looper list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i reply "who is your favorite band"? and then say "I sound just like them." -AS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 07:25:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09534; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:04:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:04:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:56:13 EST Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <1ckoiC.A.B8B.CUk-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >didn't work for me. oh, well..... dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 07:26:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09452; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:03:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:03:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <126.768a34c.292b9e86@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:54:46 EST Subject: Re: OT: emagic support and logic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >see if this one makes any sense. mac g4/350, sys. 9.1, >logic plat 4.8.1 (or 4.7.0, or 4.7.3), motu 828. current drivers on all. how much ram? how much ram assigned to logic? midi interface? (usb, or ?) ifya got it, which version of oms is installed? usb-drivers on macOS9.1? any questionable vst-stuff installed? any cracks of emagic stuff installed? ya trashed yer prefs (saving yer key-cmds, of course) and rebuilt yer autoload? ya rebuilt desktop, & zapped pram? >asio errors: can't process all data in time >if i get an error or two, the fricking keyboard locks. exactly when do these errors occur? >not the >mouse, but the keys. so then i can't switch windows in logic, or >enter names, nothing. mousing the menu allows me to get out and >restart. wonky usb drivers? >i've swapped keyboards. i've swapped drives and memory into another >g4/350. this is not a hardware issue, methinks. squirrely usb-hub? >ah well, we'll keep workin' at it. thanks for the connection. use it! *-) best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 07:37:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10206; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:14:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:14:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c171b1$39ad66e0$dbd81f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: "LD mailing list" Subject: switchblade users Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:50:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C171B1.382CE160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C171B1.382CE160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi i've just got a sound sculpture switchblade GL - fantastic bit of = kit. That i am looking forward to exploring more fully when i have some = spare time. I was just wondering how people had things set up in there's = to maybe push me into new areas of exploration. Thanks David=20 I am a danish woman !!!!!!!!! one less than none http://www.onelessthannone.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C171B1.382CE160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi i've just got a sound = sculpture=20 switchblade GL - fantastic bit of kit. That i am looking forward to = exploring=20 more fully when i have some spare time. I was just wondering how people = had=20 things set up in there's to maybe push me into new areas of=20 exploration.
 
Thanks
 
David
 
I am a danish woman=20 !!!!!!!!!
 
one less than none
http://www.onelessthannone.co.u= k
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C171B1.382CE160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 07:49:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11254; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:29:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:29:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <22.1f16ba4d.292ba4a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:20:57 EST Subject: Re: D-Two Critique Request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And, how come dt don't use a d-two? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. d2t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 07:49:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11200; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:28:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:28:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.1f900d0.292ba439@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:19:05 EST Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, pbadore@rochester.rr.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pbadore@rochester.rr.com writes: >What about *interpretation*, the key issue here? I resent your sarcasm >represented by the asterisks, on the subject of interpretation --- i use asterisks in my email to merely *stress* a word, not for sarcasm. i'm not a sarcastic guy. >but I also apologize if I wasn't clear enough >at the beginning. don't worry; we're just talking, & i apparently misunderstood your intentions. >I assure everyone I'm not crazy or making this up when >I say I found a few downloads on either LD (might have been CD1 but they're >deleted) or off Elephant Talk but can't recall exactly where. Earlier >today >I made a search but to no avail. But these people labelled their work >"Soundscapes" in relation to KC material. Hence my comments. is that where this started? again --- i had no idea that this is what you were talking about /referring to --- confusion. >But why, but? >let's put your original thoughts in a proper perspective. If I said: >"Hey you motherfuckin' asshole loopers! You don't know shit about what >you're doin'! All you're doing is copying soundscapes which was invented >by >the great Robert Fripp years ago after he created Frippertronics. Copycat >candyasses!" >NOW I deserve every counterattack from the past couple of days! However, >I accept your apology; but please keep in mind you started a precedent if i started a precedent, that precedent was not meant as a personal attack, just my thoughts & responses presented in this environment which encourages the exchange of ideas. i am indeed sorry that you perceived it otherwise; i meant no personal harm. >that >fortunately is now waning, aside from Sottilaro's continuing childishness >which has long worn out (even I stopped the hanky lines). Our society >today enjoys attacking itself and who cares if there's no real reason for >it? actually, there was a reason for my response, which i tried to make clear. >I'm also sorry I wasted everyone's time, including my own. Once I had >gotten everything together I was hoping to put something on LD, but now >everything's gone to waste. Perhaps in time I'll either return or - more >likely - find another outlet for my music. while i'm not sure that i consider LD as an outlet for music, it is a good place for expressing ideas / information / thoughts, as regards looping & such; there are *many* threads besides this one (see the archives), and i think it might be the only net-place that is really loop-centric --- sorry if you are somehow dissuaded from hanging. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 07:56:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11535; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:36:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:36:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <113.7ef8450.292ba5f9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:26:33 EST Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2mGoZC.A.YuC.Vwk-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stan on tipsy >'course thats just me. i've never seen them; got the first record, & enjoyed it --- 1997? best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 10:23:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24198; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:00:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.fb5c394.292bc7c9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:50:49 EST Subject: RE: Gear for sale (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is not only OT as far as looping is concerned (unless you are > calling the chain a loop), its OT musically as well! ...but surely those late night emails which you regret in the morning are the mainstay of any mailing list . ...hope no-one thought I was trying to make a point or anything;-) ...next post on-topic (promise). andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 11:20:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27194; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:47:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:47:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011120104315.00acae20@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:44:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4021218==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: <98OVKC.A.ThG.Ejn-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_4021218==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oooh! the husquie 242!!! it's got that real, vintage WARM sound!!!!! hey, is this one set up for +4??? a:c > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Gear for sale (OT) > > > for sale > Husqvana 242 chainsaw > 12in bar > =A3200 ONO > apply off list ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_4021218==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


oooh! the husquie 242!!! it's got that real, vintage WARM=20 sound!!!!!

hey, is this one set up for +4???

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--=====================_4021218==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 11:21:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27230; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c171d8$aeb29ba0$2f0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #243 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:32:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #243 November 15, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I had planned to continue the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert that sprang up to fill the void felt by the cancellation of some of this year's EM festivsls. Unfortunately, a technical glitch prevented the playing of the AirSculpture set as planned. Instead, I played a live track by AirSculpture at Jodrell Bank in 2000. I plan to play their Hampshire Jam set on the November 29 EMUSIC. The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Tangerine Dream's Edgar Froese. The Hampshire Jam http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Edgar Froese Stuntman Stuntman (Virgin) VA [Craig Padilla] Distant Signals Tracks Across the Universe (none) Paul Ellis A Roaring Player Piano Into the Liquid Unknown Left Burning on the Beach (Hypnos|Binary) Paul Ellis Glistening Into the Liquid Unknown (Hypnos|Binary) Syndromeda The Last Influence In Touch with the Stars (Groove/Neu Harmony) Cyber Zen Sound Engine Mars Infers The Intercepted Transmissions and Matt Borghi (N-Light-N Records) Saul Stokes Million Mile Gong Abstraction (Green House) 12:00 am AirSculpture Moments in Lowell Quark Soup (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll resume the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert that presented five of Europe's top electronic music acts and took place on October 27, 2001. The Feature CD at Midnight will be replaced by the performance given by Headshock. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Edgar Froese. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 11:43:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30206; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:21:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:21:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <69.1e44b102.292bd8b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:02:56 EST Subject: Re: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <15ZOiC.A.7IH.U7n-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine who used to write for Electronic Musician once credited me as a sourse of info at the end of an article about the ebow as "avant garde techno folk musician" Ted Killian (for my use of fingerpicks and multiple ebows I suppose). TK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 11:45:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29520; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01d901c17167$34b54670$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <01d901c17167$34b54670$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:47:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey loopers, thanks again for the volume pedal input, OT as it may be...or is it? called the local Mars Music, and they had an Ernie Ball stereo pan pedal for $109. i think the guy had the wrong price, but i didn't argue with him. i thought, "i'll go get it and take it back if it doesn't work". aux send 1 into L in, aux send 2 into R in. L out goes to Jamman, R out goes to MoFx. Jammie and MoFx return to channels on the mixer. so i'm trying to figure out how this pedal works with the little switchy thang on the side. just pushing the pedal up gives input to both units. hitting the switch on the side by moving your toe to the left to engage it puts the pedal in 'pan' mode, where toe down sends audio to the L output and toe up sends audio to the R output. hitting the switch again puts you back in standard volume mode. so with one pedal, you can send stuff to either one unit or the other, or both (by being in just volume mode). neat. but not gonna work for me i think. when i'm in pan mode, there's no way to drop the signal out of one unit without bringing it into the other. "fine, i'll just hit the switch into the other mode, and back out of the volume normally". unfortunately, it's going to be dependent on where the pedal is at the time, and the mode switch gives a little 'click' that enters the delay line, which is just terrific with long decay rates, as you can imagine...and just kills the mood of my fripperscape, y'know? a little to much "where am i?" guessing and tap dancing for me. i'm going to try two proel pedals and see if they work for me. if not, i'll use the Eball in mono mode and have to bite the bullet and get another one. this is just one night of work, though. i'm gonna see if that setup has any secrets while i've got 30 days to try the darn pedal out. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 12:16:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30949; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:35:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:35:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:23:32 EST Subject: Stupid Microphone Question To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <37.1e27b956.292bdd84@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, all: Someone was telling me about a local studio in Pittsburgh where the proprietor stated that he uses microphones that cost $15,000 each. What mikes would cost that much? I've seen German mikes for $4-5K. Is this person B.S.'ing? Regards, Paul the 'Butch Band' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 12:32:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01033; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:49:47 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009a01c171e3$5d462ec0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think we had a discussion a while back about this... i used to call my stuff "alternative alternative" a friend called it "ugandan tree-bark boogie" a doorman told people "if you don't like it, just wait a minute and it will change"... (not really a label as such, but good fun) maybe i should just say "blues" > ... > I tried "New Age Industrial" as a description for a while as well with > similarly poor results. > > Mark > ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 13:12:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04017; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:42:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:42:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011f01c171e9$bec22e00$8929f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: New Topic - Labeling music [Was Re: lawson's missive] Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:34:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I've tried on occasion describing some of the stuff I've done with the instructions "imagine the Cocteau Twins recording for ECM". It generally didn't work mostly because people usually only knew one or the other reference and if you have to explain the shorthand it isn't short any more.<< Which raises an interesting question - is your (or my) intention to accurately describe your music (both in technical and 'musical' terms) in a way that makes sense to you, or gives credit where it's due, or places your music in relation to music that the questioner is familar with, or to unsettle the questioner, or to provoke them to seek further/convince them to buy your CD/put them off all together/sound like a badass who drops the right names??? All of these will illicit different answers... for example. fellow looper - 'what kind of stuff do you do?' me - 'well, it's sort of influenced Michael Manring's JamMan looping, but with a fair dose of Bill Frisell in there - I also tend to use my DL4 for some mad texural stuff, using the backwards and speed shift functions in loop mode. I also never sync my loops up - I've got a JamMan, DL4 and MPX-G2 - so it all shifts in relation to itself fairly regularly. Harmonically, I tend towards diatonic stuff, but the layers over the top and random noise stuff can take it anywhere - lots of room for random acts of noise production... I'm getting more and more into spontaneous 'remixing' of sounds as I go along - getting the loops going and them messing with them, dropping them in and out, but I've not really settled on a structured way of doing that yet...' my aunt at a christmas party - 'so, Steve, what's your band like?' me - 'well, it's just me, but it sort of sounds like documentary soundtrack stuff - lots of whale noises and nice tunes. there's a bit of jazz in there as well and I use lots of electronic gadgets that allow me to record one part as I play it and them play over the top. It's all great fun, and I don't really mind if people fall asleep, get up and walk around or laugh at what I do, or just listen in a polite english audience kind of way...' dance producer bloke who goes to the same church as me - 'what sounds are you makin' at the moment?' me - 'ambient mellow stuff - chill out room music, mainly, a bit dubby in places I guess... I've been trying to get a gig at the big chill, but no good contacts there yet, you don't know anyone do you?' three very different answers, with different intentions and different images conjured up. But writing this has made me think that I've not really tried to label what I do in a way that makes sense to me - it just 'is' - I know the process, and I'm aware of my favourite harmonic areas, but taken as a whole, I've not really thought about a box. I guess I'm too into the minutae of what I'm doing to worry about the big picture... the only time I'm really aware of style in what I do is when I'm playing support to a particular artist, or in a particular context where some of what I do would be seen as wholly inappropriate - then I have to decide whether as a childish acts of annoyance I go ahead and try to turn a few heads, or play it safe... and to be honest, I have to admit it often depends on what I'm getting paid for the gig, which is a rather tragic admission... :o) Anyway, some people seem to have definite boxes in which to place things, in order to feel safe, and others are happier with ambiguity. Jeff Berlin thinks that all fretless bassists are essentially ripping off Jaco - that's all he can hear in the basic sound of the fretless bass. Others are able to hear and enjoy the myriad different possibilities inherent in fretless bass, and are therefor free to explore and listen without subscribing to Jeff's rather narrow parameters. It all seems to be about boxes. ...I also have qualitative problems with comparing myself to other artists, in that even those I'm influenced by are bound to be perceived as either 'better' or 'worse' than me, and therefor it can be seen as an act of self-aggrandisement to say 'yeah, I'm influenced by Bill Frisell' (or the ECM Cocteau's, or Frippertronics or whatever) - how many times have you been to see a mates band which he says are 'sort of a cross between the Beatles, The Cure and Radiohead, with a bit of early Floyd thrown in' and the nearest comparison you could honestly make is with some naive music students faffing about with guitars trying desparately to sound like their heros... So I'm obviously reluctant to sound like I'm dropping myself in that category, for fear that people may think that I'm doing precises the same thing as 'mate's band 1.1' So, what to do? I'd sound like a bit of a twat if I went through that whole list of options and criteria for assessment whenever anyone asked me what I sound like, so I guess I'll settle with 'solo bass - no, nothing like Level 42. Why not have a listen to the sound clips on my website?' and if they can't be arsed to do that, f*** 'em... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 13:13:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04598; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:49:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:49:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012501c171ea$6a57a7e0$8929f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: ramblings on originality/goodness Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:40:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>On a small scale, I'm fairly quick to point out to people who have had no other introduction to looping, e-bow, solo bass or whatever else I might be dabbling in at the time that I'm not the only person in the world using those things, and that what I do is a mish-mash of influences, some of whom loop, ** but these are just technology issues, right? they don't really adress the music. do you sound like these people? if not, what of the tech usage???? <<< maybe it's just that tech descriptions are concrete and objective - no one can say 'no you're not using a DL4!' when there's one under my feet with my bass signal going through it, but they could get my CD and then say 'you said you sound like Bill Frisell - well I really like Frisell, but I thought you were crap', or vice versa 'why didn't you say that you didn't really sound like Frisell, I hate his stuff, but you're the greatest musician I've ever had the good fortune to be in the mere presence of!'... Where there are obvious reference points, that's easier to handle (like if I was doing loads of slapping and tapping over funk changes, Vic Wooten would perhaps be a handy reference point), but as I haven't really co-opted my harmonic, rhythmic and melodic sensibilities from anyone person (it's all a bit to generic and simple for that... :o) it's a bit harder to reference... so, gear is solid, 'sound' is ephemeral would be my complete cop-out to the above question... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 13:57:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07378; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:19:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:53:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C171EC.5300DAB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171EC.5300DAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Josef Matthias Hauer (1883-1959) http://www.ibiblio.org/johncovach/hauerbio.htm ** okay. i looked this guy up in my grove when i got home today. here's what it says about his serialism: "In 1919 he discovered the serial method he used exclusively thereafter: he understood the 12-note set as a heachord trope (i.e., a sequence of *unordered groups of six note each*). emphasis in asterisks is mine. ths is a pretty interesting analog to the current conversation as: 1. he and schoenberg came up with different methodologies that were "serial" (and they were both very proprietery about it) at roughly the same time. 2. the way hauer used the system is not (to my knowledge) the way that most people use serialism - - my understanding is that most people use it *sequentially* (as did a schoenberg and those that followed). thanks for the info on hauer. i'll read up a little more on him soon. anyone actually heard any music he wrote?? stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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Josef Matthias Hauer (1883-1959)

http://www.ibiblio.org/johncovach/hauerbio.htm

** okay. i looked this guy up in my grove when i got home= today.

here's what it says about his serialism:

"In 1919 he discovered the serial method he used exc= lusively thereafter: he understood the 12-note set as a heachord trope (i.e= ., a sequence of *unordered groups of six note each*).

emphasis in asterisks is mine.

ths is a pretty interesting analog to the current convers= ation as:

1. he and schoenberg came up with different methodologies= that were "serial" (and they were both very proprietery about it= ) at roughly the same time.

2. the way hauer used the system is not (to my knowledge)= the way that most people use serialism - - my  understanding is that = most people use it *sequentially* (as did a schoenberg and those that follo= wed).

thanks for the info on hauer. i'll read up a little more = on him soon. anyone actually heard any music he wrote??

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171EC.5300DAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 14:24:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09194; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:37:17 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431E@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:53 PM -0500 11/20/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >1. [Hauer] and schoenberg came up with different methodologies that >were "serial" (and they were both very proprietery about it) at >roughly the same time. They were colleagues, and early on had actually discussed starting a school to teach 12-tone music. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 14:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11901; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:13:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:13:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200111201904.fAKJ4Dk20100@chmls05.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:00:56 -0500 From: Dean Stiglitz Subject: re: Stupid Microphone Question To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Peter Cohen Associates X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10424] Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA11239 Resent-Message-ID: <4yurP.A.2vC.Tlq-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, regardless, just as i don't think my money is well spent on over marketed products (like, bose, or boston acoustics) where you are paying for the marketing...i'd say the same about $15k mics...i'd rather pay for a skilled (and opinionated) engineer than a fancy mic in the arsinel. deknow >> Hey, all: >> Someone was telling me about a local studio in Pittsburgh where the >> proprietor stated that he uses microphones that cost $15,000 each. What >> mikes would cost that much? I've seen German mikes for $4-5K. Is this >> person B.S.'ing? >> Regards, Paul >> the 'Butch Band' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 15:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17507; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.224.68.31] From: "S.U.B. quality music" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: just beginning need help Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:59:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 19:59:51.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA1C91D0:01C171FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, i know this is probably a basic question for all of you out there but i am just beginning in looping and would appreciate some help. I am interested in looping several instruments live. I would play the drums, loop them and then switch to either keyboard and or guitar and loop them also and then if possible provide back-up vocals which i am also interested in looping. The only thing i know now is how to play these instruments. What kind of keyboard would help me with this? what machines would be best for looping? Can someone out there please help me with this setup? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chuck _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 15:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16871; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c171fc$ad027040$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:50:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like a great price- anyone on the list recieved a better price anywhere? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Weg" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Repeater > Hi All!, > I just ordered a new Repeater from Sixtecycle.com for $525.00 + $8.00 > for shipping. I am very excited and can hardly wait to get it. I've lurked > the list since purchasing an Echoplex several months ago. I missed several > discussions on the smart cards and was wondering which ones work the best in > the Repeater and where is the cheapest store to purchase one? I just > received shipment of the Alesis Air FX and wow is it cool. I will write a > review when I finish evaluating it but it seems like it will be a wonderful > addition to my arsenal. I am curious to hear how it will work with the > repeater. > > Thanks from a lurker, > > Weg > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 15:47:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18110; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:17:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:17:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:07:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 20:07:42.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[02F2A4A0:01C171FF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope not, but if you do good for you! I got my Repeater yesterday and I found it hard to go to bed after setting it up and playing for a few hours. A Repeater and an Echoplex.... Oh My! The fun never stops. I need more time to explore the sonics! I have an old ART X-15 pedal with crazy paint splatters, would that be a usable midi pedal? Has anyone tried one of these? Thanks, Weg From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:50:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDC4010F00904004325FCFE4EE0911B70; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:59:24 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15149;Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:51:27 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:59:27 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:51:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c171fc$ad027040$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like a great price- anyone on the list recieved a better price anywhere? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Weg" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Repeater > Hi All!, > I just ordered a new Repeater from Sixtecycle.com for $525.00 + $8.00 > for shipping. I am very excited and can hardly wait to get it. I've lurked > the list since purchasing an Echoplex several months ago. I missed several > discussions on the smart cards and was wondering which ones work the best in > the Repeater and where is the cheapest store to purchase one? I just > received shipment of the Alesis Air FX and wow is it cool. I will write a > review when I finish evaluating it but it seems like it will be a wonderful > addition to my arsenal. I am curious to hear how it will work with the > repeater. > > Thanks from a lurker, > > Weg > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 15:56:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18538; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:24:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:24:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:12:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C171FF.A1FD0F40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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Josef Matthias Hauer (1883-1959)

 
** okay thanks. have you heard any of the music? i'm intrigued by what i've been reading. there seems to be a dearth of recordings of the music he wrote. 
 
 
stig
 
and remember . . . it's all confidential (i'm sorry about this crap that follows, can't be helped i'm afraid).
 
 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C171FF.A1FD0F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 16:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20891; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:58:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:48:48 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... In-reply-to: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1205833133==_ma============" References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1205833133==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:12 PM -0500 11/20/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > >Josef Matthias Hauer (1883-1959) > >http://www.ibiblio.org/johncovach/hauerbio.htm > >** okay thanks. have you heard any of the music? i'm intrigued by >what i've been reading. there seems to be a dearth of recordings of >the music he wrote. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/classical-artist-search/Hauer%2C%20J.M./102-9388603-2784918 http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1073037816/pagename=/RP/CDN/CLASS/discography.html/C=HAUER*J.M. http://www.komponisten.at/cd_buecher/hauer_cd.htm I haven't heard any of his music. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1205833133==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...
At 3:12 PM -0500 11/20/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote:

Josef Matthias Hauer (1883-1959)

http://www.ibiblio.org/johncovach/hauerbio.htm 
 
** okay thanks. have you heard any of the music? i'm intrigued by what i've been reading. there seems to be a dearth of recordings of the music he wrote. 

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/classical-artist-search/Hauer%2C%20J.M./102-9388603-2784918

http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1073037816/pagename=/RP/CDN/CLASS/discography.html/C=HAUER*J.M.

http://www.komponisten.at/cd_buecher/hauer_cd.htm


I haven't heard any of his music.
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--============_-1205833133==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 16:39:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23563; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:16:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:16:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BFAC5E1.5CDCB928@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:06:41 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , DH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Loop and Micro Show in Phila Tomorrow night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-z1wU.A.3lF.1Ys-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm playing a weird show in a weird place tomorrow night (Wed 11/21/01) in Philadelphia. I just moved and all my gear is in pieces and/or boxes so this show will be just nord micromodular, Korg ER1, and Korg Kaoss pad. The kicker (well for me anyway) is I'm going to be sequencing everything live with mini music's Beatpad software for the palm pilot. (www.minimusic.com) Just to add some spice I may also be bringing out the nanoloop and using theremini (on the palm) as well. There will be looping, layering, live manipulation of the sounds, etc. I did some rehearsals this weekend and that frickin' nord micro modular/palm pilot combination can do some serious noise and it fits in coat pocket. *that* is cool. Here are the particulars if anyone is interested: Who: David Talento, The Centimeters, the Fourth Dimension Where: The Project Room 960 N 8th St (At Girard Ave), Phila PA When: Wednesday Nov 21st 9PM Should be a seriously good time in an underground music sort of way. If you come by be sure to say HI. I'll be the guy sitting in a chair playing with a palm pilot for the first set :) ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 16:41:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22960; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BFAD30E.DA1D560C@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:02:54 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4ssIq.A.EbF.NRs-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Weg wrote: > I have an old ART X-15 pedal with crazy paint > splatters, would that be a usable midi pedal? Has anyone tried one of > these? > i bought one cheap, and realized all to quickly that it is not the best pedal to go with the Repeater. It will work though, and perhaps it will suffice since you already got it. My X-15 is for sale... let me know if I should be more specific as why I dont like it. -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 16:41:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23556; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:16:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:16:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011120150904.00be7930@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: josnyder@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:11:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff snyder Subject: repeater-- reverse lead mode? In-Reply-To: <200111201715.MAA02240@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does the repeater have an easily accessible reverse lead mode (like the boomerang)? I'm still trying to decide which one to buy, between the repeater, the boomerang, and the EDP... I think EDP with a footpedal falls outside of my price range, but the repeater is probably within it... how does the tap tempo feature on the new boomerang measure up? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 16:59:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25444; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:37:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: WWOT: AV production contractor position Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:27:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C171C7.2AA21360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 21:27:58.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[39B2E7B0:01C1720A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C171C7.2AA21360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...(Apologies in advance to Matt, = since I've already been soliciting him) Hi all, This is about as off topic as it gets, but given the current = economic climate, expecially in Silicon Valley, I am sure you = understand.=20 I have an 20 hour contractor position open doing streaming media work in = Sunnyvale. You'll get to play with Sound Forge and Vegas all day, and = stream live video broadcasts from Hong Kong to Dubai. We are looking for = someone we can ideally groom into a full time position, and ideally with = experience building database interactive web pages - dreamweaver = Ultradev type work, or other media production related skills - = javascript, Flash etc. I think I have about as good a day job as it gets, and figure that the = others on the list would be like-minded. If you know anyone who is would = be interested, please forward this to them ASAP, and have them email me = at elbizri@juniper.net. I will send them the job description. We are = >already< interviewing, so the window >really, really< tight. Again, sorry for spamming but if you know as many people who as = totally hard up as I do, your probably glad I posted this here. Any = questions, comments DO NOT REPLY. Send email to elbizri@juniper.net , = off the list. Thanks, Jonathan El-Bizri ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C171C7.2AA21360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...
(Apologies in advance to Matt, since = I've already=20 been soliciting him)
 
Hi all,
 
    This is about as off = topic as it=20 gets, but given the current economic climate, expecially in Silicon = Valley, I am=20 sure you understand.
 
I have an 20 hour contractor position = open doing=20 streaming media work in Sunnyvale. You'll get to play with Sound Forge = and Vegas=20 all day, and stream live video broadcasts from Hong Kong to = Dubai. We=20 are looking for someone we can ideally groom into a full time position, = and=20 ideally with experience building database interactive web pages - = dreamweaver=20 Ultradev type work, or other media production related skills - = javascript, Flash=20 etc.
 
I think I have about as good a day job = as it gets,=20 and figure that the others on the list would be like-minded. = If you know anyone who is would be interested, = please forward=20 this to them ASAP, and have them email me at elbizri@juniper.net. I will send = them the=20 job description. We are >already< interviewing, so the window = >really,=20 really< tight.
 
    Again, sorry for = spamming but if=20 you know as many people who as totally hard up as I do, your probably = glad I=20 posted this here. Any questions, comments DO NOT REPLY. Send email to elbizri@juniper.net , off the=20 list.
 
Thanks,
 
Jonathan = El-Bizri
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C171C7.2AA21360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 17:18:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26603; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:48:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:48:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074321@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content... Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:38:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1720B.A66AD330" Resent-Message-ID: <38lKFC.A.OTG.e2s-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1720B.A66AD330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** thanks for the links, i had already found most of them + some others. like i said, not much around. particularly not pieces that seem to be his "important peices" . . . oh well. I haven't heard any of his music. ** too bad!!! i'm intrigued stig balther follows: Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1720B.A66AD330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...
** thanks for the links, i had already found most of them + some others. like i said, not much around. particularly not pieces that seem to be his "important peices" .  . . oh well.

I haven't heard any of his music. 
 
** too bad!!! i'm intrigued
 
stig
 
 
balther follows: 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1720B.A66AD330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 17:23:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26651; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:49:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:49:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1720b$ec6d5740$6a87abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <002a01c171fc$ad027040$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:40:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8LqqsD.A.iXG.V4s-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try altomusic luca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Repeater > That sounds like a great price- anyone on the list recieved a better price > anywhere? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Weg" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:44 PM > Subject: Repeater > > > > Hi All!, > > I just ordered a new Repeater from Sixtecycle.com for $525.00 + $8.00 > > for shipping. I am very excited and can hardly wait to get it. I've > lurked > > the list since purchasing an Echoplex several months ago. I missed > several > > discussions on the smart cards and was wondering which ones work the best > in > > the Repeater and where is the cheapest store to purchase one? I just > > received shipment of the Alesis Air FX and wow is it cool. I will write a > > review when I finish evaluating it but it seems like it will be a > wonderful > > addition to my arsenal. I am curious to hear how it will work with the > > repeater. > > > > Thanks from a lurker, > > > > Weg > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 17:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27064; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:56:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:43:53 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: just beginning need help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BFACE99.4010608@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Chuck, welcome. I use two Boomerang floor mounted units to play guitar, bass and percussion via a Roland hand percussion controller. I like the rangs because they are so basic and I have enough other things to think about while playing live. I bought these before the Repeater came out and if I had to do it now I would look into a Repeater with external foot pedals. I use one aux send of my mixer to route everything through the boomerangs so I can record different instruments without switching inputs. Another thing I struggle with is changing instruments, parts on the fly without losing my audience. I have had to write pieces to give me time to switch, loop parts, change foot pedal settings and try to make it look seamless. ...it's so much easier in the basement! Mike Killian S.U.B. quality music wrote: > Hi everybody, > i know this is probably a basic question for all of you out > there but i am just beginning in looping and would appreciate some > help. I am interested in looping several instruments live. I would > play the drums, loop them and then switch to either keyboard and or > guitar and loop them also and then if possible provide back-up vocals > which i am also interested in looping. The only thing i know now is > how to play these instruments. What kind of keyboard would help me > with this? what machines would be best for looping? Can someone out > there please help me with this setup? Any help at all would be > greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Chuck > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 17:40:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30225; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:15:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:15:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:03:43 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: repeater-- reverse lead mode? In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20011120150904.00be7930@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011120150904.00be7930@students.wisc.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <8hiuLC.A.xJH.tPt-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:11 PM -0600 11/20/01, jeff snyder wrote: >does the repeater have an easily accessible reverse lead mode (like >the boomerang)? The Repeater has a "Reverse" button on the front panel that toggles playback between forward and reverse. This function can also be engaged by a MIDI Program Change or Control Change message. The downside is that all four tracks are affected as a unit, so you can't reverse just one track. However, you can record a track while in reverse mode, so you can easily build up combinations of forward and reverse material. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 17:50:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30657; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:19:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:19:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:10:52 -0800 Subject: Roland Octapad II + Jamman users? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Tetsu Matsuo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200111202125.QAA24470@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <76250B6A-DE03-11D5-A983-003065B22E0E@pacbell.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Anyone using a Roland Octapad II with a Jamman? I have an Octapad II that my drummer is trying to use to trigger the Jamman with. Unfortunately, we have no Octapad manual. For each pad there is a menu option to send program changes (in addition to note, velocity, etc), but when I try, for instance, to set Pad 1 to send a Program Change 2 on Midi Channel 1, the Jamman does nothing. Curiously, using the Patch Change buttons (not pads) on the lower right of the Octapad evokes the proper Jamman response. What's the deal? Its seems like such a perfect solution for our band - having a drummer hit Octapad pads to control tap and reset on the Jamman. Anyone else doing this or something similar? Any help here is much appreciated....Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 17:56:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31925; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:31:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011120170959.00ac4600@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:29:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_28334936==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_28334936==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed it was written by: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:23:32 EST To: Subject: Stupid Microphone Question > Hey, all: > Someone was telling me about a local studio in Pittsburgh where the proprietor stated that he > uses microphones that cost $15,000 each. What mikes would cost that much? I've seen German > mikes for $4-5K. Is this person B.S.'ing? maybe he's just passing on the bs that he fell for when he paid that much for that "matched pair of SM-57s..." or that he's trying to justify charging you up the wazoo so's he CAN buy something over the top. believe it or not, you can drop just for an old (*whoops! did i mean "vintage"??) $7K for an M-49, and even more for C12s and los obscuros bottle style east european jobs. and, if their power supplies are in crummy shape and their tubes are past prime, who knows? that pair of 57's might be lookin better & better! so when you're ready for that calrec soundfield mic... ++++++++ just what the world needs.... another frikkin url --=====================_28334936==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

it was written by:

From: PaulPokr@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:23:32 EST
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Stupid Microphone Question

> Hey, all:
> Someone was telling me about a local studio in Pittsburgh where the proprietor stated that he
> uses microphones that cost $15,000 each. What mikes would cost that much? I've seen German
> mikes for $4-5K. Is this person B.S.'ing?

maybe he's just passing on the bs that he fell for when he paid that much for that "matched pair of SM-57s..." or that he's trying to justify charging you up the wazoo so's he CAN buy something over the top.

believe it or not, you can drop just for an old (*whoops! did i mean "vintage"??) $7K for an M-49, and even more for C12s and los obscuros bottle style east european jobs.

and, if their power supplies are in crummy shape and their tubes are past prime, who knows? that pair of 57's might be lookin better & better!

so when you're ready for that calrec soundfield mic...


++++++++
just what the world needs....
another frikkin url
--=====================_28334936==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 18:14:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00839; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:50:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRNJE9Oj5S/HJ74q3jTfcR/VhoCXAIUfWi+2yPtGXk4tQ5UxYxZDhh37q8= From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:37:00 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just beginning need help Message-ID: <1107-3BFADB0C-4952@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "S.U.B. quality music" 's message of Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:59:50 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm also new and have some of the same questions. Can you put everything into a mixer set your levels then in to the looping device? My main instruments I'm looping are Didgeridoo and hand drums some electronic percussion. thanx ahead of time. BongoBill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 18:36:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01387; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c17215$d14c4200$0200a8c0@boop> From: "Funkay" To: References: <37.1e27b956.292bdd84@aol.com> Subject: Re: Stupid Microphone Question Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:50:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like bs to me...even if there is some mic that costs $15000, I can't imagine how anal someone would have to be to shell out that much for a single microphone. Now maybe if the mic doubled as a new car... > Hey, all: > > Someone was telling me about a local studio in Pittsburgh where the proprietor stated that he uses microphones that cost $15,000 each. What mikes would cost that much? I've seen German mikes for $4-5K. Is this person B.S.'ing? > > Regards, Paul > > the 'Butch Band' > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 18:53:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04248; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:14:13 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: ramblings on originality/goodness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012001c17219$11ca1610$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007431A@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <012501c171ea$6a57a7e0$8929f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >but you're the greatest musician I've ever had the good fortune to be in the mere >presence of!'... i hate when they say that... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 18:53:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04180; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:25:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:25:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <164.43658d9.292c3e58@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:16:40 EST Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_164.43658d9.292c3e58_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_164.43658d9.292c3e58_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/01 5:00:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes: > Has anyone here experienced this? Is there a name for it? yes!.....in fact i invented it and its called the KLOBUCHARSIS EFFECT.....:)m --part1_164.43658d9.292c3e58_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/01 5:00:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes:


Has anyone here experienced this?  Is there a name for it?  


yes!.....in fact i invented it and its called the KLOBUCHARSIS EFFECT.....:)m --part1_164.43658d9.292c3e58_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 18:53:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03991; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:22:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:22:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.454a8da.292c3d71@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:12:49 EST Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14f.454a8da.292c3d71_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_14f.454a8da.292c3d71_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/01 4:44:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, biffoz@pacbell.net writes: > . Maybe I > should? > nah!.....:)m --part1_14f.454a8da.292c3d71_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/01 4:44:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, biffoz@pacbell.net writes:


. Maybe I
should?


nah!.....:)m --part1_14f.454a8da.292c3d71_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 19:06:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04890; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:39:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:39:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:21:28 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: just beginning need help In-reply-to: <1107-3BFADB0C-4952@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <1107-3BFADB0C-4952@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:37 PM -0800 11/20/01, William Mcallister wrote: >Can you put everything into a mixer set your levels then in to the >looping device? My main instruments I'm looping are Didgeridoo and >hand drums some electronic percussion. If you have multiple sound sources that's probably the best way to do it. The thing you have to be careful of is leakage from mics that aren't currently in use. For instance, if you're playing the didgeridoo you may need to mute the percussion mic(s) and vice versa. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 19:55:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09779; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:26:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:26:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <45.f36e6e7.292c4c59@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:16:25 EST Subject: Re: ramblings on originality/goodness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_45.f36e6e7.292c4c59_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_45.f36e6e7.292c4c59_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/01 7:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit > of meaning, > i feel like such a "cave-man".....i dont seem to have "lofty" thoughts anymore, what"s up wit dat?.....is it an age thing?.....:)m --part1_45.f36e6e7.292c4c59_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/01 7:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit
of meaning,


i feel like such a "cave-man".....i dont seem to have "lofty" thoughts anymore, what"s up wit dat?.....is it an age thing?.....:)m --part1_45.f36e6e7.292c4c59_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 20:24:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12020; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:56:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:48:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <002a01c171fc$ad027040$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's where I picked up my unit. John is a good guy to deal with. Altomusic was selling them at under 500 a piece but I think they have come up in price due to pressure from Electrix. Still, it seems that Sixtecycle and Alto are the two best choices right now. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:res0koq3@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater That sounds like a great price- anyone on the list recieved a better price anywhere? ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Weg" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Repeater > Hi All!, > I just ordered a new Repeater from Sixtecycle.com for $525.00 + $8.00 > for shipping. I am very excited and can hardly wait to get it. I've lurked > the list since purchasing an Echoplex several months ago. I missed several > discussions on the smart cards and was wondering which ones work the best in > the Repeater and where is the cheapest store to purchase one? I just > received shipment of the Alesis Air FX and wow is it cool. I will write a > review when I finish evaluating it but it seems like it will be a wonderful > addition to my arsenal. I am curious to hear how it will work with the > repeater. > > Thanks from a lurker, > > Weg > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 20:44:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13999; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:13:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:13:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074325@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: ramblings on originality/goodness Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:03:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17228.65AC1800" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17228.65AC1800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In a message dated 11/19/01 7:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit of meaning, i feel like such a "cave-man".....i dont seem to have "lofty" thoughts anymore, what"s up wit dat?.....is it an age thing?.....:)m ** just to set the record straight, i don't have such lofty thoughts - - those belonged to mr steve lawson. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17228.65AC1800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
In a message dated 11/19/01 7:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit
of meaning,


i feel like such a "cave-man".....i dont seem to have "lofty" thoughts anymore, what"s up wit dat?.....is it an age thing?.....:)m  
 
** just to set the record straight, i don't have such lofty thoughts -  - those belonged to mr steve lawson.
 
stig 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17228.65AC1800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 20:48:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14201; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:17:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:17:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BFAFE6E.94DD038C@wwnet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:07:59 -0500 From: xhedos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #685 References: <200111200945.EAA30846@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Geeeeee! When I suscribed to the Loopers'Delight digest, I didn't realize I'd still be getting 4 emails a day including weekends! Is there a digest of the digest? CG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 20:57:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15369; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:34:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:34:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.431eff8.292c5c4a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:24:26 EST Subject: Re: ramblings on originality/goodness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15e.431eff8.292c5c4a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <5u4PX.A.hnD.DKw-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15e.431eff8.292c5c4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/01 8:09:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > ** just to set the record straight, i don't have such lofty thoughts - - > those belonged to mr steve lawson. > see what im up against.....i cant even keep trac of 108 e-mails.....sorry to attribute mr lawson's thoughts to mr liebig.....its a time thing not an age thing.....must loop!.....:)m --part1_15e.431eff8.292c5c4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/01 8:09:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


** just to set the record straight, i don't have such lofty thoughts -  - those belonged to mr steve lawson.


see what im up against.....i cant even keep trac of 108 e-mails.....sorry to attribute mr lawson's thoughts to mr liebig.....its a time thing not an age thing.....must loop!.....:)m --part1_15e.431eff8.292c5c4a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 20:57:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15346; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:33:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:33:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:22:26 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: just beginning need help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3BFB01D2.10105@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 References: <1107-3BFADB0C-4952@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com depends on the mixer. I just bought a Behringer 1604 that allows me to do this and a lot more. It was only 169 at guitar center. Mike Killian William Mcallister wrote: >I'm also new and have some of the same questions. Can you put everything >into a mixer set your levels then in to the looping device? My main >instruments I'm looping are Didgeridoo and hand drums some electronic >percussion. thanx ahead of time. BongoBill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 21:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16405; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:49:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:40:48 EST Subject: RE: Repeater To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <165.4359163.292c6021@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-Alto has a better price and has 30 IN STOCK!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 21:23:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16498; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:51:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:51:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:43:10 EST Subject: Re: Repeater To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <74.13787f2e.292c60ae@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS Alto Music phone # 845 692 6922 OR email sales@altomusic.com Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 21:33:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18672; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:06:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:06:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BFB01D2.10105@swbell.net> References: <1107-3BFADB0C-4952@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3BFB01D2.10105@swbell.net> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:57:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff Subject: Re: just beginning need help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a tricky thing with that set-up it seems to me would be using mics to record your instruments. while listening back to the loop in headphones you would need to be sure there is no bleed from the phones, or anything else, into the mic input, since it will be amplified in the loop. also, you probably want a limiter and noise gate on the mic input... depends on if you are improving live or just taking short samples i guess. just my two cents, -jb > > >William Mcallister wrote: > >>I'm also new and have some of the same questions. Can you put everything >>into a mixer set your levels then in to the looping device? My main >>instruments I'm looping are Didgeridoo and hand drums some electronic >>percussion. thanx ahead of time. BongoBill -- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net ----- "Or take free enterprise, a term that refers, in practice, to a system of public subsidy and private profit, with massive government intervention in the economy to maintain a welfare state for the rich." - Noam Chomsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 21:47:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19023; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jeff@pop.modaldub.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:03:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jeff Subject: RE: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com eno's famous story of coming up with ambient music involved something like this. if i remember right, he was in the hospital (from a car accident i think it was) and someone set the record player volume too low, and he couldnt get out of bed to raise it, and ended up barely hearing the music mixed in with the environmental sounds around him. thus he ended up with the idea for music that would "support multiple levels of attention", or something like that. -jb >Eno descibes something in a Wired interview he did a few years ago where >he recorded a two minute loop of street noise and listened to it over >and over. At a certain point he came to anticipate and love each event >such a car passing. It makes sense to me. -- ----- Jeff Blanding jeff@modaldub.net ----- "Or take free enterprise, a term that refers, in practice, to a system of public subsidy and private profit, with massive government intervention in the economy to maintain a welfare state for the rich." - Noam Chomsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 21:58:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20326; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just beginning need help Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:25:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2001 02:25:13.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[C011B8D0:01C17233] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I'm also new and have some of the same questions. Can you put everything >>>into a mixer set your levels then in to the looping device? I loop live drums and percussion. I don't use any electronic percussion, so a real challenge for me is to keep acoustic feedback out of the mix. Mic placement is very important, as is using a mic that has good rejection from the rear. I'm loving my SM57's, and I mic the bass drum on the beater side (decent enough sound with EQ). I put all the mics into a 1402 Mackie mixer. I have aux3,4 assigned to my repeater and another aux assigned to my EDP. I am very carefull only to assign mics that I will be using to go to the loop to keep feedback to a minimum. The EDP and repeater each return to their own channel, so I can audition them before bringing them into the mix. I have had the best luck using headphones to hear myself and trying to keep stage sound to a minimum (when possible). If anyone wants to hear more about my setup, I would be happy to go further in depth. Hope this helps! My best advise would be to start simple and learn your tools first. I was really glad that I started with just one mic, into my EDP, going to a speaker. I really learned how to use the EDP that way, and gradually added more as I became more confident. I always try to remind myself (without effect) that _more_ gear is not always better! Jon ps. DL4, boomerang, repeater, and EDP all make excellent first loopers! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 22:43:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24270; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:17:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:17:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:10:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <164.43658d9.292c3e58@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3089128242_58975052_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3089128242_58975052_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Uhh huh, and did you also invent 12-tone music? :-) What is the origin of the word "KLOBUCHARSIS"? -Allan on 11/20/01 3:16 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/19/01 5:00:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes: Has anyone here experienced this? Is there a name for it? yes!.....in fact i invented it and its called the KLOBUCHARSIS EFFECT.....:)m --MS_Mac_OE_3089128242_58975052_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Uhh huh, and did you also invent 12-tone music?  :-= )

What is the origin of the word "KLOBUCHARSIS"?

-Allan

on 11/20/01 3:16 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/19/01 5:00:58 PM Eastern S= tandard Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes:


Has anyone here experienced this?  I= s there a name for it?  


yes!.....in fact i invented it and its called the KLOBUCHARSIS EFFECT.....:= )m

--MS_Mac_OE_3089128242_58975052_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 22:45:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23967; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011120220029.00803960@pop.metrocast.net> X-Sender: tnelson@pop.metrocast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:00:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: just beginning need help In-Reply-To: References: <3BFB01D2.10105@swbell.net> <1107-3BFADB0C-4952@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3BFB01D2.10105@swbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An acquaintance of mine mics his didges for looping using a Radio Shack PZM that's been removed from its square zone plate and mounted a few inches inside the end of the didge (the far end, not the beeswax mouth end). It's remarkably isolated from bleed. A while back, I posted a question regarding finding an XLR-equipped volume pedal to prevent bleed on the SM57 in my rig. Since I never did locate one, what I finally ended up doing was to plug the mic into one side of a MidiMan Audio Buddy preamp, then from there to a regular volume pedal, then to a Fostex processor set up for 'verb on one side and pitch shift on the other, and then on into two channels of my mixer. It works very well; when I want hands-free control of what enters the loop via the mic, I just use the volume pedal. I use regular monitors, making sure to position them out of the mic's pickup field just like you would for a vocalist. -t- >a tricky thing with that set-up it seems to me would be using mics to >record your instruments. while listening back to the loop in >headphones you would need to be sure there is no bleed from the >phones, or anything else, into the mic input, since it will be >amplified in the loop. >>William Mcallister wrote: >> >>>I'm also new and have some of the same questions. Can you put everything >>>into a mixer set your levels then in to the looping device? My main >>>instruments I'm looping are Didgeridoo and hand drums some electronic >>>percussion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 23:02:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25237; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:35:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c1723c$74a291e0$0200a8c0@boop> From: "Funkay" To: References: Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:27:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hopefully I'm not offending anyone, but I must say this all sounds like a bunch of pretentious BS. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wolf, Bill To: Allan Hoeltje ; Loopers Delight Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever > Eno descibes something in a Wired interview he did a few years ago where > he recorded a two minute loop of street noise and listened to it over > and over. At a certain point he came to anticipate and love each event > such a car passing. It makes sense to me. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 20 23:14:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26057; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:50:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:50:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c17230$a579bca0$3a5330d5@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:02:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01C17230.A41AC8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C17230.A41AC8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone got a uk price for the repeater ???? one less than none ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C17230.A41AC8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
has anyone got a uk price = for the=20 repeater ????
 
one less than=20 none
------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C17230.A41AC8E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 00:14:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30684; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:45:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:45:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c17248$59376960$9e6b0241@ehlls1.pa.home.com> From: "Paul Pokorski" To: Subject: Gibson Echoplex on eBay Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:52:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1721E.700EFBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1721E.700EFBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all: There's an Echoplex on eBay that someone may be interested in. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1488231391&r=3D0= &t=3D0&showTutorial=3D0&ed=3D1006740992&indexURL=3D0&rd=3D1 Regards, Paul R ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1721E.700EFBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, all:
 
There's an Echoplex on eBay that = someone may be=20 interested in.
 
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Regards, Paul = R
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1721E.700EFBA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 00:20:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31111; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c17247$5dfc39e0$9565fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:45:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, yeah actually i had something like that happen rather spontaneously one evening a few years back, i was just walking around in my apartment in a peculiar state of mind, it was summer and all my windows were open. all of a sudden i was struck with the perception that all the sounds outside, far away freeway shooshes, birds, voices, and car door slams, were a single concert of music. it stopped me in my tracks and i nearly dropped what i was holding. it was quite impressive and i've never encountered the phenomena again. although my perception of ambient sounds has been altered forever, i seek patterns now, sometimes idly, sometimes intently, and almost wonder if such concious work inhibits a reaccurance of the phenomenon. neato, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:00 PM Subject: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever > All this Eno/Fripp talk has got my loopie juices flowing. > > Every once and a while I will be in a noisy public place and I will > experience a phenomenon for which there must be a name. All the sounds in > the place are competing for my attention/interpretation and the result is a > perceived piece of music which is greater than the sum of its parts. > > The best place I've found for this is the Metro where there will be two or > three distant boomboxes, rhythmic train sounds, unintelligible announcements > on the PA, and lots of other background noise fading in and out of the mix. > Its as if my brain is desperate to hear a coherent melody and harmony and so > creates it. > > Has anyone here experienced this? Is there a name for it? W. A. Mathieu > ("The Listening Book") talks about listening to background sounds as if they > were music but I don't remember him giving it a name or describing that > which is heard as a synthesis created from the background. > > -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 01:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04465; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:57:06 -0800 From: Miko Biffle Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006001c17251$5a03cb00$1d02a8c0@MyComputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <14f.454a8da.292c3d71@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings MichaelNOTMiko! I greatly admire your brevity in this matter! -MikoNOTMichael... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: KC; Lawson's Missive and Originality... > > biffoz@pacbell.net writes: > > ... Maybe I should? > nah!.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 01:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05582; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:29:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:29:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:20:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <007201c1723c$74a291e0$0200a8c0@boop> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2k1BLD.A.XPB.pe0-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Naw- it aint so- just some like minded folks pondering amongst peers- stick around and you'll see for yourself I think- kind of like when you get together and drop acid and converse for hours- I think off list we all "come down" to whatever reality we may still have left- :) I don't feel anyone here takes themselves too seriously as to cramp the "trip" - Take care- Cliff PS- I've actually learned some things here about music I probably would have never known otherwise esp in regards to looping history. -----Original Message----- From: Funkay [mailto:funkay@mindless.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever Hopefully I'm not offending anyone, but I must say this all sounds like a bunch of pretentious BS. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wolf, Bill To: Allan Hoeltje ; Loopers Delight Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever > Eno descibes something in a Wired interview he did a few years ago where > he recorded a two minute loop of street noise and listened to it over > and over. At a certain point he came to anticipate and love each event > such a car passing. It makes sense to me. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 02:00:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05623; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:19:47 -0800 Subject: Re: repeater-- reverse lead mode? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011120150904.00be7930@students.wisc.edu> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <994Hc.A.3OB.he0-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure how the boomerang works, but the Repeater does in fact have a Reverse mode. You can record in this mode, but will seem like it's playing forward until you go back to regular mode. You can continue adding to the loop in either direction, playback of overdubs will be forward or reverse depending on the mode you're in, in relation to the mode you recorded the overdub in. Does that make sense? Mark On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, at 01:11 PM, jeff snyder wrote: > does the repeater have an easily accessible reverse lead mode (like the > boomerang)? I'm still trying to decide which one to buy, between the > repeater, the boomerang, and the EDP... I think EDP with a footpedal > falls outside of my price range, but the repeater is probably within > it... how does the tap tempo feature on the new boomerang measure up? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 02:56:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10223; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011121072614.86233.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Roger Linn stompbox in EM To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw the following in the new issue of Electronic Musician. No info on the web-site yet. Roger Linn Design's AdrenaLinn ($395) is a filter- processing stompbox that puts your guitar through a looping sequence of filter tones or LFO modulations in sync to an internal drum machine or MIDI. Also included are auto-wah & other classic filter effects, amp mod- eling, & tempo-synced delay. Roger Linn Design; htp://www.rlinndesign.com ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 03:10:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10837; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:47:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:47:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011121073850.87293.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:38:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Intel Computer Sound Morpher To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because we love our toys, also in EM.... The Computer Sound Morpher(Win;$49) from Intel Play features a handheld recorder that can capture four minutes of sound with its built-in adjustable microphone. You can transfer the sounds to your computer using the supplied USB cable. The Computer Sound Morpher includes Windows 95/98-compatible software for editing & syncing your audio to animated onscreen images. You also get more than 90 sound effects to get you started. Intel Corporation; http://www.intelplay.com ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 07:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01038; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c172a1$1a3a1600$23719818@default> From: "Daniel" To: "Lady_Saff" , "Mark Fantino" , "Rex Gray" , "zuma" , "Alice Falls" , "Erin Edwards" , "RaMOANa" , "Ida Davidov" Cc: "Matt Dunphy" , , , , Subject: Chilean music site Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:27:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C1726E.CBF3B500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C1726E.CBF3B500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0074_01C1726E.CBF3B500" ------=_NextPart_001_0074_01C1726E.CBF3B500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chilean music producer and musician Cristi=E1n Heyne releases an online = album (see attached document) called xyx which will precede the sale of = his 3 cd album. The online material is instrumental sans the spanish so = I thought you'd all appreciate it. His music project is called SHogun and it's webpage is available at: = http://www.arboluna.cielo.org ------=_NextPart_001_0074_01C1726E.CBF3B500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chilean music producer and musician Cristi=E1n Heyne = releases an=20 online album (see attached document) called xyx which will precede the = sale of=20 his 3 cd album. The online material is instrumental sans the spanish so = I=20 thought you'd all appreciate it.
 
His music project is called SHogun and it's webpage = is=20 available at: http://www.arboluna.cielo.org<= /FONT>
 
 
------=_NextPart_001_0074_01C1726E.CBF3B500-- ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C1726E.CBF3B500 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="xyx.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="xyx.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.gravert.cl/xyx/ [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.gravert.cl/xyx/ Modified=602E26382472C10144 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C1726E.CBF3B500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 08:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01925; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:54:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:54:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:45:12 +0000 Subject: Credit where it's due From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> ** just to set the record straight, i don't have such lofty thoughts - - those belonged to mr steve lawson. see what im up against.....i cant even keep trac of 108 e-mails.....sorry to attribute mr lawson's thoughts to mr liebig.....its a time thing not an age thing.....must loop!.....:)m <<< Was that me??????? I don't remember saying that! I did suggest that the search for meaning has becoming the search for novelty, but I don't think I suggested that everything I did was in the pursuit of meaning... :o) right now, paying the mortgage is slightly higher up the list than meaning, as is just trying to get to grips with all the software and stuff that I'm using for recording... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 08:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02044; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:56:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:56:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c1728a$5d5e50c0$150c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: OT- portland, OR? Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:45:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6cgHZB.A.GX.AK6-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon >I'm looking into moving to Portland, Oregon, as the SF Bay area is getting >too expensive. I'm going up to take a look at apartments and job ads just >after thanksgiving. Are there any locals on this list with any advice as to >convenient, artsy, nice neighborhoods with public transportation? Hi Matt, Just remember what a former mayor said: "Please come and visit, but don't stay!" If you like EM, Dweller at the Threshold and Mike Griffin (Mr. Hypnos) live there. I visited once for two short days and was very impressed. Nice town! Sorry, but I can't answer your specific questions. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 08:30:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03827; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:07:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:07:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014201c1728b$e1e84200$150c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Stupid Microphone Question Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:56:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Funkay >Sounds like bs to me...even if there is some mic that costs $15000, I can't >imagine how anal someone would have to be to shell out that much for a >single microphone. Now maybe if the mic doubled as a new car... > >> Hey, all: >> Someone was telling me about a local studio in Pittsburgh where the >proprietor stated that he uses microphones that cost $15,000 each. What >mikes would cost that much? I've seen German mikes for $4-5K. Is this person >B.S.'ing? $15k is not cost-effective so unless it's a VERY upscale studio, it's BS. Those who record orchestras for major labels might have a few, though. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 08:41:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04674; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:21:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:21:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BF7D672.5722E147@vtx.ch> References: <3BF7D672.5722E147@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:14:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: (OT) Who wants to review Claude's new album for the list ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a major event. Not because Claude has been an exelent host and contributor to our work, but because he plays really well and fluently dominates a very complex system of loops, sequences and filtering/panning he worked out. So, although I did not hear the CD yet, I did hear his impros enough to say that its PIONEER WORK! > >Its a great joy to announce to my prefered loopy community that I made >it. its out. >the "brand new from the factory" CD of [SeeWhat? >"Electro/Acoustic/Ambient"][ Disques Office ref. 65315] is in my hands >the national distribution in switzerland is done by Disques Office >fribourg (official release december) > > >Its 63 min long, 11 compositions, all instrumental, loopy, hypnotic and >groovy >From the liner: >This was recorded in two days, mixed in seven during aug/sept 2001 at >studio ARTEFAX in Lausanne Switzerland by Bernie Amaudruz. All music was >performed/recorded in realtime as a live performance. This recording is >totally faithful to the variety, excitement or boredom you may >experience seeing me playing live. SeeWhat? is a solo project of Claude >Voit. Sequencers, loopers, analog and digital processes, midi >automations/processes, midi pickups, slides, needles, bows etc... were >used and triggered by hand and feets. But, the start of any sound is the >acoustic guitar. > >It is really hard for me to write about this music: my english is so >limited and frankly, I've been playing and creating this music without >any concious reference to labels,artists that may follow a similar path, >so >I would like to send some cd's to anybody that would be eventually >interested to make a colourfull review for the list in mature english. >:=) > >Merci beaucoup > >Claude > >some links to my music for the Chaintape collective (mp3) > >http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_europe.html >http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html >http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/philterz/philterz.html >http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/acoustic/acoustic.html > >and a cool review (in french) of one of my stage appearance >http://www.hexadance.ch/fr/edito/hexasense/bdn_usineagaz.htm#top > > >And a lot more to come..... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 08:42:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04543; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:19:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:19:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:10:37 EST Subject: Re: Stupid Microphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com deknow@deknow.com writes: >just as i don't think my money is well spent on over marketed products >(like, bose, or boston acoustics) where you are paying for the marketing...i'd >say the same about $15k mics...i'd rather pay for a skilled (and opinionated) >engineer than a fancy mic in the arsinel. i worked quite a bit in a wonderful residential studio (near koln & aachen, germany). as a producer, i was really happy (and felt incredibly fortunate) that the studio owner had decided to pay more than $15k for his Calrec Soundfield mic! dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 08:46:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04883; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:26:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:26:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <109.8f7f133.292d038a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:18:02 EST Subject: Re: repeater-- reverse lead mode? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > jeff snyder wrote: >> does the repeater have an easily accessible reverse lead mode (like the >> boomerang)? no. dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 09:00:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05565; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:36:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:36:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: OT- portland, OR? Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 05:28:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the SE area around Hawthorne St. And check out the NW side around 23rd St. -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:23 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT- portland, OR? Hey Everyone, I'm looking into moving to Portland, Oregon, as the SF Bay area is getting too expensive. I'm going up to take a look at apartments and job ads just after thanksgiving. Are there any locals on this list with any advice as to convenient, artsy, nice neighborhoods with public transportation? Thanks, Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 09:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07099; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:56:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:56:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <59.13548fee.292d0a4a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:46:50 EST Subject: Yamaha MFC-10 owners read this To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been claiming the MFC-10 MIdi Footcontroller had a serious latency problem for a while now. Recently i got Yamaha UK ( a tech guy called Dusty) to confirm this. He basically said that Yamaha(parent co.) wouldn't be interested in this at all, and that his job was helping folks who didn't understand their gear, not sorting out stuff like this. So basically Yamaha have a 0% feedback policy, or so it seems. I was unable to find out (from Yam UK) whether or not Yamaha were aware of this fault, or even if a software update had occured in the life of the product. Presumably its just a matter of them programming a smaller delay, just long enough to debounce the switches. Any other MFC-10 owners may care to join me in getting on to Yamaha about this. The main point is that the MFC-10 is unsuitable for looping devices because of this , and that MIDI control looping devices are getting more popular now. If anyone wants to phone from the UK I'll give you the number to ring (mail me off list) and anyone outside UK could join in too. Mail me off list and I'll keep you up to date. ...and if they get enough complaints maybe there'll be some action. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 10:13:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11285; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:48:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.1f496d4b.292d1694@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:39:16 EST Subject: Re: Discrete/Ambient/SoundScape/Whatever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_38.1f496d4b.292d1694_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <11saP.A.IoC.zy7-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_38.1f496d4b.292d1694_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/01 10:17:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes: > i was afraid someone would ask this in light of the previous posts.....i did indeed have a hand in the inventing of the 12 tone scale but i was shooting for a 13 tone scale only i was out-voted.....:)m (michael klobuchar) --part1_38.1f496d4b.292d1694_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/01 10:17:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes:


Uhh huh, and did you also invent 12-tone music?


i was afraid someone would ask this in light of the previous posts.....i did indeed have a hand in the inventing of the 12 tone scale but i was shooting for a 13 tone scale only i was out-voted.....:)m  (michael klobuchar) --part1_38.1f496d4b.292d1694_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 10:24:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13409; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:51:17 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: ramblings on originality/goodness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004101c1729b$f9c10b40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17269.AF0ECD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074325@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17269.AF0ECD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think he must have meant "pursuit of money"... those spell checkers sure come up with some strange things. i've had mine change "looper" to "lopper" and to "loopier" (either way, it works. right?) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: RE: ramblings on originality/goodness In a message dated 11/19/01 7:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:=20 or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the pursuit=20 of meaning,=20 i feel like such a "cave-man".....i dont seem to have "lofty" = thoughts anymore, what"s up wit dat?.....is it an age thing?.....:)m =20 ** just to set the record straight, i don't have such lofty thoughts = - - those belonged to mr steve lawson. stig=20 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended = only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader = of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent = responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any = dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, = disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur = while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you = have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by = return e-mail. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17269.AF0ECD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i think he must have meant "pursuit of=20 money"...
those spell checkers sure come up with = some strange=20 things.
i've had mine change "looper" to = "lopper" and to=20 "loopier"
(either way, it works. = right?)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, = 2001 7:03=20 PM
Subject: RE: ramblings on=20 originality/goodness

In a message = dated=20 11/19/01 7:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com=20 writes:


or is it, like the rest of life, driven by the=20 pursuit =
of = meaning,=20


i feel like such a = "cave-man".....i=20 dont seem to have "lofty" thoughts anymore, what"s up wit = dat?.....is it an=20 age thing?.....:)m  
 
** just to set the record straight, i = don't have=20 such lofty thoughts -  - those belonged to mr steve=20 lawson.
 
stig 


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 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C17269.AF0ECD80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 10:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11790; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:54:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:54:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <111.8bdd734.292d17ee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:45:02 EST Subject: Re: Credit where it's due To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_111.8bdd734.292d17ee_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_111.8bdd734.292d17ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 7:48:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > ahhhh.....so no one wants to admit to "lofty" thoughts.....very interesting!.....:)m --part1_111.8bdd734.292d17ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 7:48:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


Was that me???????


ahhhh.....so no one wants to admit to "lofty" thoughts.....very interesting!.....:)m --part1_111.8bdd734.292d17ee_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 10:51:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15639; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:28:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:28:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:18:54 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC-10 owners read this To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008201c1729f$d57c6370$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <59.13548fee.292d0a4a@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Presumably its just a matter of them programming a smaller delay, just long > enough to debounce the switches. > i don't understand this debounce delay thing. matthias has referred to this causing latency (tiny as it is...) in the edp when using it's footswitch... can't you just assume the first signal is a press and deal with it immediately and then block any more press events from occurring for a short time? this is how double click works in windows. (btw, i realize there is no bounce problem in software) the first click results in an immediate onclick event, but if a second click occurs within the double click delay period, you do not get a second onclick event... i hope programereze isn't obscuring my meaning here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 10:54:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15853; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:31:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:31:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:18:57 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 11/21/2001 04:46:03 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA15081 Resent-Message-ID: <5cjoJC.A.4rD.ja8-7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have just ordered the electrix repeater from your web site, please note that my phone number would not fit into the boxes, as I am not in the US¨: Any queries to 0047 92814358 or this mail address. Thanks MArk Francombe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 11:05:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17369; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c301c172a2$7a8b4320$02d7d63f@richkroll> From: "Rich Kroll" To: References: <01af01c152b3$b04acbc0$d0cad63f@oemcomputer> <006b01c157f2$aef0bfc0$42d0d63f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $365.00 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:37:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C17278.9097E440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rich Kroll" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C17278.9097E440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $375.00 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Kroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Boomerang + phrase sampler NEW $365.00 Brand New boomerang + phrase sampler 4 meg version. dealer full waranty, Manual power supply. 15.00 shipping pay pal accepted. =20 Best looper available easy to use. 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Brand New boomerang + phrase = sampler 4 meg=20 version.
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------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C17278.9097E440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 12:57:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26869; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:35:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:35:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c172af$4afb21e0$18d91f3e@snowmonster> Reply-To: "one less than none" From: "one less than none" To: References: <59.13548fee.292d0a4a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC-10 owners read this Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:09:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C172AF.497174A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "one less than none" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C172AF.497174A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i havent notice any delay in my mfc-10 ! but i'll help out ....... ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C172AF.497174A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i havent notice any delay = in my mfc-10=20 ! but i'll help out .......
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C172AF.497174A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 13:28:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29765; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:06:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:06:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074327@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Credit where it's due Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:16:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C172B0.30D7BCA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B0.30D7BCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Was that me??????? I don't remember saying that! I did suggest that the search for meaning has becoming the search for novelty, but I don't think I suggested that everything I did was in the pursuit of meaning... :o) right now, paying the mortgage is slightly higher up the list than meaning, as is just trying to get to grips with all the software and stuff that I'm using for recording... :o) ** see steve, you're so damn original you can't even keep track of your own shit. ** you need a good secretary to keep track of your lofty thoughts. ** if i were unscrupulous i would've taken the credit for my "lofty ideas" - - so much for giving credit where it's due. ** maybe you DID invent looping with an eboqw on fretless bass!! ;-) . . . ;-) . . . ;-) . . . ;-) . . . ;-) . . . stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B0.30D7BCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Credit where it's due

Was that me??????? I don't remember saying that!  I = did suggest that the
search for meaning has becoming the search for novelty, = but I don't think I
suggested that everything I did was in the pursuit of me= aning... :o) right
now, paying the mortgage is slightly higher up the list = than meaning, as is
just trying to get to grips with all the software and st= uff that I'm using
for recording... :o)



** see steve, you're so damn original you can't even keep= track of your own shit.

** you need a good secretary to keep track of your lofty = thoughts.

** if i were unscrupulous i would've taken the credit for= my "lofty ideas" - - so much for giving credit where it's due. <= /FONT>

** maybe you DID invent looping with an eboqw on fretless= bass!!

;-) . . . ;-) . . . ;-) . . . ;-) . . . ;-) . . .


stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B0.30D7BCA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 13:37:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30217; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011121180436.79215.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: philip raath Subject: Re: just beginning need help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200111210650.BAA06543@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the behringer euroracks are all dropping in price right now. i also just got a 1604, i paid $150 at MARS. musiciansfriend.com is also trying to clear theirs out, you might check there as it is a good deal. these are great mixers, the sound is really superb. can't beat it for the price. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 14:51:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03787; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D007432B@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: ramblings on originality/goodness Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:22:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C172B9.77423B30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B9.77423B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" maybe it's just that tech descriptions are concrete and objective - no one can say 'no you're not using a DL4!' when there's one under my feet with my bass signal going through it, ** to me, i guess it comes down to what's really being questioned/asked. if the person is asking "how," i would be more inclined to discuss gear or technique/what-have-you; if the question is "what," it becomes a different discussion. but they could get my CD and then say 'you said you sound like Bill Frisell - well I really like Frisell, but I thought you were crap', or vice versa 'why didn't you say that you didn't really sound like Frisell, ** there always seems to be the problem of people wanting an analog to help them decide on a buying decision. I hate his stuff, but you're the greatest musician I've ever had the good fortune to be in the mere presence of!'... ** well this happens to me every day ;-0 Where there are obvious reference points, that's easier to handle (like if I was doing loads of slapping and tapping over funk changes, Vic Wooten would perhaps be a handy reference point), but as I haven't really co-opted my harmonic, rhythmic and melodic sensibilities from anyone person (it's all a bit to generic and simple for that... :o) it's a bit harder to reference... ** i suppose, to me that is stillmoe about technique than it is about music. so, gear is solid, 'sound' is ephemeral would be my complete cop-out to the above question... :o) ** i suppose, but to me it's like describing beethoven by talking about the piano or miles by talking about the trumpet. what really stands out about the work? is it the tool or the content? stig because everything i do is so important: Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B9.77423B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: ramblings on originality/goodness

maybe it's just that tech descriptions are concrete and o= bjective - no one can say 'no you're not using a DL4!' when there's<= /P>

one under my feet with my bass signal going through it, <= /FONT>

** to me, i guess it comes down to what's really being qu= estioned/asked. if the person is asking "how," i would be more in= clined to discuss gear or technique/what-have-you; if the question is "= ;what," it becomes a different discussion.


but they could get my CD and then say 'you said you sound= like Bill
Frisell - well I really like Frisell, but I thought you = were crap', or vice versa 'why didn't you say that you didn't really=

sound like Frisell,


** there always seems to be the problem of people wanting= an analog to help them decide on a buying decision.

I hate his stuff, but you're the greatest musician I've e= ver had the good fortune to be in the mere
presence of!'...

** well this happens to me every day   ;-0


Where there are obvious reference points, that's easier t= o handle (like if I was doing loads of slapping and tapping over

funk changes, Vic Wooten would perhaps be a handy referen= ce point), but as I haven't really co-opted my harmonic, rhythmic

and melodic sensibilities from anyone person (it's all a = bit to generic and simple for that... :o) it's a bit harder to
reference...

** i suppose, to me that is stillmoe about technique than= it is about music.

so, gear is solid, 'sound' is ephemeral would be my compl= ete cop-out to the above question... :o)

** i suppose, but to me it's like describing beethoven by= talking about the piano or miles by talking about the trumpet. what really= stands out about the work? is it the tool or the content?


stig

because everything i do is so important:



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C172B9.77423B30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 15:14:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05608; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:53:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jimb@ehmail.com Date: 21 Nov 2001 11:43:25 -0800 Message-ID: <20011121194325.20187.cpmta@c009.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 21 Nov 2001 19:43:25 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jimb@ehmail.com Subject: RE: Stupid Microphone Question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:11 AM > > i worked quite a bit in a wonderful residential studio (near > koln & aachen, > germany). > as a producer, i was really happy (and felt incredibly > fortunate) that the > studio owner had decided to pay more than $15k for his Calrec > Soundfield mic! > dt / s-c And if you want to know why they might cost that much, check out: http://www.soundfieldusa.com/ I tried to check out the price list, but it 404'd, so I can't confirm. It is an entire system, not just a microphone, which would account for the higher price tag - whatever that may be. James Bailey host: A Missing Sense / Electric Storm CKLN-FM 88.1 Toronto ckln.sac.ryerson.ca __________________________________________________________ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 18:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26111; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:25:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:25:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:16:56 EST Subject: Re: Repeater To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <6i-O2C.A.GPG.mYD_7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It left today.Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 19:10:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26973; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7039355.1006385515580.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:31:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: ken.cumali@excite.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just beginning need help - noise gates - RDL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.166.62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For live aplications, nothing beats having a noise gate on each input. To simplify things, I'd group the drum ones becuse if you hit any one of them it will probably set off the others as well... and if not, the threshold would most likely be too high for when you wanted to play softly. By group them, I mean a mixer. Specifically, I use RDL mixers. They make one for just about every function you can think of, and oll of them are only as big as two matchbooks put side by side. http://www.rdlnet.com/a_mix.htm HOWEVER, I am NOT happy with their noise gate. http://www.rdlnet.com/stgla1.htm I could have had it wired wrong, but I doubt it. I ripped it out of my system and haven't gotten around to putting it back in and seeing what the problem really was though, so you might want to check it out. (By the way, folks, this RDL stuff is really cool, though a bit tweaky. And Pricy. But you can make your own, customized gient circut bord and have something quite small and high quality. They even share the same power supply and stick together so in the end may be you have a high quality mixer with noise gates, mic/line transformation and mixing, switching, bla bla bla, customized EXACTLY to your system but all the size of a paperback book or two. On only one or two power supplies.) Anyway, the boss stomp box noise gate is actually good, but pricy... especially if you don't really nead it's other main feature, which is the ability to power 6 other boss-type pedals. If anyone knows other, better noise gate solutions I'd love to hear them too. On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:21:28 -0800, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > At 2:37 PM -0800 11/20/01, William Mcallister wrote: > >Can you put everything into a mixer set your levels then in to the > >looping device? My main instruments I'm looping are Didgeridoo and > >hand drums some electronic percussion. > > If you have multiple sound sources that's probably the best way to do > it. The thing you have to be careful of is leakage from mics that > aren't currently in use. For instance, if you're playing the > didgeridoo you may need to mute the percussion mic(s) and vice versa. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 19:13:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27602; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7788234.1006386140502.JavaMail.imail@lucy.excite.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:42:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Cumali Reply-To: ken.cumali@excite.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just beginning need help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.166.62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forgot to mention these in my post... yes, these are great--relatively small, good quality, and zero hastle. Some combination of these and noise gates (boss or otherwise) are your easiest solution. On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:04:36 -0800 (PST), Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > the behringer euroracks are all dropping in price > right now. i also just got a 1604, i paid $150 at > MARS. musiciansfriend.com is also trying to clear > theirs out, you might check there as it is a good > deal. these are great mixers, the sound is really > superb. can't beat it for the price. > > take care, > > phil > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > "The jewel is in the lotus." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 19:22:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27654; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <121.77f32da.292d9643@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:44:03 EST Subject: just to set the record straight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.77f32da.292d9643_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_121.77f32da.292d9643_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was also me that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy thanksgiving all.....:)m --part1_121.77f32da.292d9643_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was also me that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy thanksgiving all.....:)m --part1_121.77f32da.292d9643_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 19:43:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31266; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:20:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:20:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:06:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT: best wishes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com happy thanksgiving, loopheads. thanks for the loads of info, music, opinions and other crazyness that goes on here. thanks for a great forum, kim. be sure to take a loop around the block, (on yer feet) to burn off some of your thanksgiving dinner. give all your best to family, friends, and loved ones in these times... best regards, seeya next week! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 20:07:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32457; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:37:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c172ec$fa0a1e60$85f638cb@n> From: "Steven" To: References: <59.13548fee.292d0a4a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC-10 owners read this, OT Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:31:04 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wish you luck Yamaha in Australia is much worse than that. They were the Marshall inporters, every time you ring you get voice mail, you leave the messge and nobody ever rings Wonder why Marshall just gave them the flick and chose another company to handle their tubes on PCB Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:46 AM Subject: Yamaha MFC-10 owners read this > I've been claiming the MFC-10 MIdi Footcontroller had a serious latency > problem for a while now. > Recently i got Yamaha UK ( a tech guy called Dusty) to confirm this. > He basically said that Yamaha(parent co.) wouldn't be interested in this at > all, and that his job was helping folks who didn't understand their gear, not > sorting out stuff like this. > So basically Yamaha have a 0% feedback policy, or so it seems. > I was unable to find out (from Yam UK) whether or not Yamaha were aware of > this fault, or even if a software update had occured in the life of the > product. > > Presumably its just a matter of them programming a smaller delay, just long > enough to debounce the switches. > > Any other MFC-10 owners may care to join me in getting on to Yamaha about > this. The main point is that the MFC-10 is unsuitable for looping devices > because of this , and that MIDI control looping devices are getting more > popular now. > > If anyone wants to phone from the UK I'll give you the number to ring > (mail me off list) > > and anyone outside UK could join in too. > Mail me off list and I'll keep you up to date. > > ...and if they get enough complaints maybe there'll be some action. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 20:47:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03762; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:24:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:24:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:16:04 -0800 Subject: Re: just to set the record straight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-167276921 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <121.77f32da.292d9643@aol.com> Message-Id: <7FAF14A8-DEE6-11D5-A978-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-167276921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey sandwich, two pieces of turkey with bread in between. Good for low carb diets. Mark On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 03:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > it was also me that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy thanksgiving > all.....:)m > --Apple-Mail-2-167276921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey sandwich, two pieces of turkey with bread in between. Good for low carb diets. Mark On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 03:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: Arialit was also me that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy thanksgiving all.....:)m --Apple-Mail-2-167276921-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 22:39:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12047; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:10:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BFC69E3.D82DD2D0@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:58:43 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Soundscapes redux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to add a little more fuel to this dying fire, I just saw a record by Steven Halpern (Rainbow Suite??) recorded somewhere around 1976 in which the liner notes described it as part three in his SOUNDSCAPE (tm) recording series. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 21 22:48:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12852; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:22:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:22:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BFC7A46.B5C2C397@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:08:38 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just to set the record straight References: <7FAF14A8-DEE6-11D5-A978-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ive been telling people this for years, yet they continue to scoff. dont worry mark, someday you will get your due. -jas Albuquerque Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey sandwich, two pieces of turkey with bread in between. Good for low carb diets. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 22 00:46:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22886; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:26:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:26:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.91] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just to set the record straight Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:17:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2001 05:17:44.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[03F72300:01C17315] Resent-Message-ID: <2sqOGB.A.QgF.wqI_7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does the Repeater have an easily accesible reverse turkey sandwich mode? >From: Mark Sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: just to set the record straight >Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:16:04 -0800 > >Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey sandwich, two pieces of >turkey with bread in between. Good for low carb diets. > >Mark > >On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 03:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >>it was also me that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy thanksgiving >>all.....:)m >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 22 00:58:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23541; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:39:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:28:48 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP pedal fix From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200111192028.PAA00726@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3089233728_57741_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3089233728_57741_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The switches, alas, are expensive -- I was told they were $10 each. They are longer throw than the mouser switches. I personally love them, but they might not be to everyone's taste. I find them rhythmically quite accurate, but they need a much stronger push than the mouser switches. if you still want to know what they are, I can call dbm on Monday and find out -- If these switches are a massive improvement, and I can get them at a sensible price, we may be interested in using them for future manufacture and for replacements. Are they as responsive as the Mouser switch? I've tried many different ones and while most seem to last longer than the Mouser, none of them have been as precise in operation. There's a real trade-off here, accuracy versus reliability versus cost. I would love to offer the EDP F/S with accurate switches that last forever but cost the same :) Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Sandberg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix Just wanted to let all you EDP owners know that I had my pedal upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC. They seem to have done a great job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily destructible mouser plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could withstand a military campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away without worrying about breaking anything. Cheers! --MS_Mac_OE_3089233728_57741_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP pedal fix
The switches, alas, are expensive -- I was told they were $10 e= ach.  They are longer throw than the mouser switches.  I personall= y love them, but they might not be to everyone's taste.    I = find them rhythmically quite accurate, but they need a much stronger push th= an the mouser switches.  if you still want to know what they are, I can= call dbm on Monday and find out --






If these switches are a massive improvement, and I can get them at a sensib= le price, we may be interested in using them for future manufacture and for = replacements.
Are they as responsive as the Mouser switch? I've tried many different ones= and while most seem to last longer than the Mouser, none of them have been = as precise in operation. There's a real trade-off here, accuracy versus reli= ability versus cost.
I would love to offer the EDP F/S with accurate switches that last forever = but cost the same :)
Andy



----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sandberg <mailto:stevesandbe= rg@earthlink.net>  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix

Just wanted to let all you EDP owners know that I had my ped= al upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC.  They seem to have done a great = job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily destructible mouser = plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could withstand a mi= litary campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away without worry= ing about breaking anything.  Cheers!


--MS_Mac_OE_3089233728_57741_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 22 03:27:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01781; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:07:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1732B.8AE61A59" Subject: RE: EDP pedal fix X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:58:59 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP pedal fix Thread-Index: AcFzGxhGtHp8XSA9Q06D3J6znNF+WAAD7cAw From: "Andy Ewen" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1732B.8AE61A59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to worry; I have some metal ones here at that sort of price which work well. I can custom-make footcontrollers for anyone whose willing to pay the extra, Thanks anyway.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Sandberg [mailto:stevesandberg@earthlink.net] Sent: 22 November 2001 05:29 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP pedal fix The switches, alas, are expensive -- I was told they were $10 each. They are longer throw than the mouser switches. I personally love them, but they might not be to everyone's taste. I find them rhythmically quite accurate, but they need a much stronger push than the mouser switches. if you still want to know what they are, I can call dbm on Monday and find out -- If these switches are a massive improvement, and I can get them at a sensible price, we may be interested in using them for future manufacture and for replacements. Are they as responsive as the Mouser switch? I've tried many different ones and while most seem to last longer than the Mouser, none of them have been as precise in operation. There's a real trade-off here, accuracy versus reliability versus cost. I would love to offer the EDP F/S with accurate switches that last forever but cost the same :) Andy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: EDP Pedal Fix Just wanted to let all you EDP owners know that I had my pedal upgraded by dbm electronics in NYC. They seem to have done a great job (tho a bit expensive -- $200), replacing the easily destructible mouser plastic switches with metal things that look as if they could withstand a military campaign -- I'm having great fun stomping my heart away without worrying about breaking anything. Cheers!=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1732B.8AE61A59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP pedal fix
Not to worry; I have some = metal ones=20 here at that sort of price which work well. I can custom-make=20 footcontrollers for anyone whose willing to pay the=20 extra,
Thanks=20 anyway. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sandberg=20 [mailto:stevesandberg@earthlink.net]
Sent: 22 November 2001=20 05:29
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 EDP pedal fix

The switches, alas, are expensive -- I was told they were = $10=20 each.  They are longer throw than the mouser switches.  I=20 personally love them, but they might not be to everyone's taste.=20    I find them rhythmically quite accurate, but they = need a=20 much stronger push than the mouser switches.  if you still want = to know=20 what they are, I can call dbm on Monday and find out=20 --






If these switches are a massive=20 improvement, and I can get them at a sensible price, we may be = interested in=20 using them for future manufacture and for replacements.
Are they = as=20 responsive as the Mouser switch? I've tried many different ones and = while=20 most seem to last longer than the Mouser, none of them have been as = precise=20 in operation. There's a real trade-off here, accuracy versus = reliability=20 versus cost.
I would love to offer the EDP F/S with accurate = switches=20 that last forever but cost the same :)
Andy



----- Original Message -----
From: Steve = Sandberg=20 <mailto:stevesandberg@earthlink.net>=20  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:45 = PM
Subject:=20 Re: EDP Pedal Fix

Just wanted to let all = you EDP=20 owners know that I had my pedal upgraded by dbm electronics in = NYC.=20  They seem to have done a great job (tho a bit expensive -- = $200),=20 replacing the easily destructible mouser plastic switches with = metal=20 things that look as if they could withstand a military campaign = -- I'm=20 having great fun stomping my heart away without worrying about = breaking=20 anything.  Cheers!=20 =


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1732B.8AE61A59-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 22 08:09:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21959; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c17351$c8f92180$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: <7FAF14A8-DEE6-11D5-A978-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: just to set the record straight Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:32:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C17327.DFAD9B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C17327.DFAD9B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's nothing low carb about bread. dB on Adkins diet for two years * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Sottilaro=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Re: just to set the record straight Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey sandwich, two pieces = of turkey with bread in between. Good for low carb diets. Mark On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 03:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: it was also me that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy = thanksgiving all.....:)m ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C17327.DFAD9B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's nothing low carb about = bread.
 
 
dB
on Adkins diet for two = years
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley<= /FONT>
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From:=20 Mark=20 Sottilaro
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 8:16=20 PM
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Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey = sandwich, two=20 pieces of turkey with bread in between. Good for low carb=20 diets.

Mark

On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 03:44 = PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

it was also = me=20 that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy thanksgiving = all.....:)m

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C17327.DFAD9B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 22 12:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07277; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:19:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:19:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.1e545725.292e8b93@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:10:43 EST Subject: Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate postscript To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <6E13Y.A.IqB.0GT_7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopbozo@aol.com writes: >We can call it the "Original Thought" tour and play mostly >covers.... i'm *in*!..... .....so long as we only do covers of tunes by limp bizkit, anthrax & america. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 22 14:35:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16053; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:14:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:06:07 -0800 Subject: Re: just to set the record straight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No but the Againinator does, but it's REALLY messy. Mark On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 09:17 PM, Peter Underwood wrote: > Does the Repeater have an easily accesible reverse turkey sandwich mode? > > >> From: Mark Sottilaro >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: just to set the record straight >> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:16:04 -0800 >> >> Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey sandwich, two pieces >> of >> turkey with bread in between. Good for low carb diets. >> >> Mark >> >> On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 03:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >> >>> it was also me that invented the turkey sandwich.....happy >>> thanksgiving >>> all.....:)m >>> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 22 15:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18052; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:53:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:53:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3BFD5617.9E4A2C18@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:46:34 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: just to set the record straight References: <7FAF14A8-DEE6-11D5-A978-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <001c01c17351$c8f92180$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Ax6hC.A.9QE.dXV_7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > There's nothing low carb about bread. dBon Adkins diet for two > years * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: just to set the record straight > Ha! But is was I who invented the reverse turkey sandwich, > two pieces of turkey with bread in between. Good for low > carb diets. > > Mark > > > > um, i think that's why there's only one slice of it. you see, in a typical sandwich there's two slices of bread which means more carbohydrates, and with the addition of turkey then you've got extra protein, which balances out the carbohydrates and makes for stronger muscles. the milk that usually goes along with the sandwich contains calcium, which is good for bones. but if you drink whole milk there's extra fat which makes for circulatory system problems if consumed habitually. it also can contribute to lactose intolerance and a host of other conditions. but if you round out the meal with left-over cranberry sauce (assuming its been properly refrigerated to avoid botulism) you will be doing your urinary tract a favor. cranberries are also high in vitamin c, which is good for the immune system. too much vitamin c can lead to cancer though, so go easy on the sauce. actually, you'd be better off just sitting on the couch and not eating anything. happy thanksgiving, pilgrims! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 23 17:35:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20575; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:10:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c17469$e66bd820$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: New Looper Sub-Category OH YEAH!!! Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:57:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley said, in post subject "Re: just to set the record straight" ... > There's nothing low carb about bread. > > dB > on Adkins diet for two years DUDE!!! me too ... I think we've just found a new Ambient sub-category ... Atkin's Ambient Revolution. We are the newest breed of special-interest minority looper. Probably even smaller than the Retro Oliveros-cum-Frippertronics On Authentic Period Equipment minority looping category. ONLY loopers who are on his concept of the low-carbohydrate diet. DUDE!!! We could even have like a Midwest Lo-Carb Loopfest. We'll hold it at Jim's Steakhouse here in Peoria IL, and get Bob Atkins to underwrite it!! Got any ideas? Man, I'm getting stoked already! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 02:56:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19629; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 02:32:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 02:32:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: LOOP CONTENT Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 02:33:54 -0600 Message-ID: <01c174c2$c0c1fa60$42a0580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gobble Gobble couldn't help it, the list is so quiet at 3am est and i'm up making a racket :) Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 04:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25815; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:30:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:30:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: LOOP CONTENT Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:23:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01c174c2$c0c1fa60$42a0580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble G Gobble o Gobble b Gobble b Gobble l Gobble e Gobble Gobble Gobble G o b b l e G o b b l e G o b b l e e l b b o G e l b b o G e l b b o G -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: Pedro Felix [mailto:PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LOOP CONTENT Gobble Gobble couldn't help it, the list is so quiet at 3am est and i'm up making a racket :) Pedro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 05:17:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26850; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:57:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c174cd$82f9a100$1561f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200111240756.CAA20326@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: MIdwest Lo-Carb Loopfest VS. World'd First Southern California Fast Food Loopfest Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:50:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Williamson wrote: "DUDE!!! We could even have like a Midwest Lo-Carb Loopfest. We'll hold it at Jim's Steakhouse here in Peoria IL, and get Bob Atkins to underwrite it!! Got any ideas?" Fuck it dude!!! I will not be outdone!!! If you do that I will be forced to produce the WORLD's FIRST SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FAST FOOD LOOPFEST to be held a the Wendy's on Santa Monica Blvd. Only loopers who are 20 lbs overweight or more will be allowed to participate. We'll get Colonel Sanders to underwrite our festival........................ Yeah!!!!! BTW, Hey Jason, I proudly took off my overshirt to show my brother my beautiful brand new LOOPERS DELIGHT T-SHIRT and he laughed and took his overshirt off to show me his brand new LOOPERS DELIGHT T-SHIRT. Thanks for all your hard work. I am very happy to show my 'colors' in what Steve Lawson calls the Looping Capital of the World, my hometown...........Yeah Looping!!! yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 07:05:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32497; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: LOOP CONTENT Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:46:15 -0600 Message-ID: <01c174e6$01ae8840$bba3580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ROTFL! perfect. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Goodwin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, November 24, 2001 4:06 AM Subject: RE: LOOP CONTENT >Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble Gobble > Gobble G Gobble o Gobble b Gobble b Gobble l Gobble e >Gobble Gobble Gobble >G o b b l e G o b b l e G o b b l e > e l b b o G e l b b o G e l b b o G > >-- >Tim > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pedro Felix [mailto:PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net] >Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:34 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: LOOP CONTENT > > >Gobble Gobble > > >couldn't help it, the list is so quiet at 3am est and i'm up making a racket >:) >Pedro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 12:20:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16671; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:46:07 EST Subject: ALESIS AIR-FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f.1e66b202.293128cf_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f.1e66b202.293128cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a niffty little box to be sure.....i see it as an eye raiser when i play out, "whats that fat old bald dude doin now?" "dont like his music but his shirt sure is stylin!".....i wish i had more sends on my 1202 vlz, i have no idea how to do what i want.....something to try if you havent already, use a small mirror rather than your hand when controling the air-fx, its probably just my imagination, but this seems to work better and it LOOKS cooler.....ambient light makes the unit less sensative, the darker the better.....and lastly, some of the patches seem to do absolutly nothing, anyone else notice this?.....rick-ar-do walker, if you havent messed with this yet, i think its right up your alley!.....:)m --part1_f.1e66b202.293128cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a niffty little box to be sure.....i see it as an eye raiser when i play out, "whats that fat old bald dude doin now?" "dont like his music but his shirt sure is stylin!".....i wish i had more sends on my 1202 vlz, i have no idea how to do what i want.....something to try if you havent already, use a small mirror rather than your hand when controling the air-fx, its probably just my imagination, but this seems to work better and it LOOKS cooler.....ambient light makes the unit less sensative, the darker the better.....and lastly, some of the patches seem to do absolutly nothing, anyone else notice this?.....rick-ar-do walker, if you havent messed with this yet, i think its right up your alley!.....:)m --part1_f.1e66b202.293128cf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 12:57:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19766; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:27:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012c01c1750b$cca46360$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: Subject: spirit notepad mixer Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:16:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm looking for a little sub-mixer to use for feeding samplers and/or experimenting with effects routing in addition to my existing mixer. of the choices this seems to be a pretty handy device but i don't know anyone who's owned one. can anybody give me some idea of the quality, ease of use, how it stacks up with stuff in its class etc? thanks! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 13:07:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20890; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c1750f$b9cd8e20$aa59e540@sunspot> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: Subject: Re: ALESIS AIR-FX Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:44:54 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > a niffty little box to be sure..... > .....i wish i had more sends on my 1202 vlz, i have no idea > how to do what i want.....something to try if you havent already, use a small > mirror rather than your hand when controling the air-fx, its probably just my > imagination, but this seems to work better and it LOOKS cooler..... I'll try the mirror - I've been using a RAM card instead. Also try pens and pencils for fast, precise gestures. > ambient light makes the unit less sensative, the darker the better..... > and lastly, some of the patches seem to do absolutly nothing, > anyone else notice this? This "may" be because it's designed to work in-line and I got the impression you're using it in an effects send. For the visually inclined - that's the air-fx that looks like a hand drum I'm hitting in the photo from July 17th. http://www.dreamstate.to/events.htm I find two-handed techniques work well with many patches and I can have both hands free if I'm treating loops. 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------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C174F6.76C0ACC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 15:34:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30572; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:58:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c17520$bfa43ea0$08574f40@makata> From: "Mark Kata" To: Subject: Lexicon Vortex Sighting Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at: Huber & Breese Music 33540 Groesbeck Hwy. Fraser, Michigan 810-294-3950 www.huberbreese.com It appeared to be in excellent condition. MK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 18:03:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08580; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Obtaining latest EDP manual Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:33:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all- I would like to get a copy of the newest EDP manual- I love the on-line .pdf version but would prefer to have it in hard copy- my manual is older and does not contain the revisions related to Loop v 5.0 - I'm not sure who to contact at Gibson these days- the LD site lists Mike Ayers but I thought he was gone? Cliff PS- Loving delay mode- and slapping Insert whilst playing with Feedback set bout 1/3 - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 24 18:46:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11274; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:22:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:22:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: RE: Obtaining latest EDP manual Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:15:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... Insert mode = Reverse, of course! -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:34 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Obtaining latest EDP manual Hi all- I would like to get a copy of the newest EDP manual- I love the on-line .pdf version but would prefer to have it in hard copy- my manual is older and does not contain the revisions related to Loop v 5.0 - I'm not sure who to contact at Gibson these days- the LD site lists Mike Ayers but I thought he was gone? Cliff PS- Loving delay mode- and slapping Insert whilst playing with Feedback set bout 1/3 - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 00:37:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30866; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:14:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:14:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074314@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:06:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: That "lame bit" you mention. (OT) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >sorry about this lame bit that follows . . . > > > > >Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only >for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this >e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible >for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, >publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender >does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to >your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, >or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in >error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. For the record, "If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited." is total bullshit. If the recipient has no pre-defined contractual relationship with the sender, then any unsolicited email may be repeated anywhere and anyhow the recipient cares to do so. And whenever I read that blurb, I think "What a moron!" --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 01:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02421; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:36:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:36:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011125062729.87627.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:27:29 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Martinez Subject: Kansas City Loopers???... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01c174c2$c0c1fa60$42a0580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just moved to Kansas City, is there a looper's community here?, any loop gigs to check out?, anyone going to the King Crimson show next 27th?. Best. Alex. ===== http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 02:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04825; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:09:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:09:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c1757e$db369100$9565fea9@melon> Reply-To: "Michael LaMeyer" From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: OT: That "lame bit" you mention. Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:00:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've tried to read it but got too bored. mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "just john" To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: That "lame bit" you mention. (OT) > > > > >sorry about this lame bit that follows . . . > > > > > > > > > >Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only > >for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this > >e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible > >for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, > >publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender > >does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to > >your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, > >or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in > >error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. > > > For the record, "If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient > or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended > recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is > strictly prohibited." is total bullshit. If the recipient has no > pre-defined contractual relationship with the sender, then any unsolicited > email may be repeated anywhere and anyhow the recipient cares to do so. > > And whenever I read that blurb, I think "What a moron!" > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 10:09:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30690; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:46:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:46:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:34:03 -0600 From: Mike Killian Subject: Re: Kansas City Loopers???... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C01015B.5090202@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 References: <20011125062729.87627.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in St. Louis, going to KC tonight! Mike Killian Alex Martinez wrote: >Hi, I just moved to Kansas City, is there a looper's >community here?, any loop gigs to check out?, anyone >going to the King Crimson show next 27th?. > >Best. > >Alex. > >===== >http://www.mp3.com/Alex_Martinez > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 10:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30990; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:55:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c175bf$88033740$48943b3e@remco> From: "Remco" To: Subject: Loop copy questions Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:43:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C175C7.E7A6E220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C175C7.E7A6E220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings! I've a couple of qustions concerning the copy-functions of the Echoplex. = Is there a way to copy an existing loop to the next loop, without having = to use the SwitchQuant=3DON functions? The thing is that in other songs I switch sometimes during the loop. I = like this function to make the song more organic& unpredictable. When I = use SwitchQuant=3DON I first have to end the whole loop. Also, is there a way to make a dump of your settings at the beginning of = the song (I use a sequencer live to trigger a sampler for = percussionsounds). By making a dump I could switch between the above = mentioned differences when I start a new song. All the best, Remco www.editionblue.com ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C175C7.E7A6E220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings!
 
I've a couple of qustions concerning = the=20 copy-functions of the Echoplex. Is there a way to copy an existing loop = to the=20 next loop, without having to use the SwitchQuant=3DON = functions?
The thing is  that in other = songs I=20 switch sometimes during the loop. I like this function to make = the song=20 more organic& unpredictable. When I use SwitchQuant=3DON I first = have to end=20 the whole loop.
Also, is there a way to make a dump of = your=20 settings at the beginning of the song (I use a sequencer live to trigger = a=20 sampler for percussionsounds). By making a dump I could switch between = the above=20 mentioned differences when I start a new song.
 
All the best,
 
Remco
 
www.editionblue.com
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C175C7.E7A6E220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 12:46:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07981; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c175d4$09e98520$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Kansas City Loopers???... Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:10:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <0R5Ar.A.73B.ecSA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm in St. Louis, going to KC tonight! > >Mike Killian i'm in peoria il ... going to STL/kc tonight. who hoo i'll be the one in the suit ... 1980s Bob all the way hahaha i'm RIPPING BOB OFF!!! *tweak* Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 15:09:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15261; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BF5C608.F9A5E949@zerocrossing.net> References: <3BF5C608.F9A5E949@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:42:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Self promo crap... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, excuse the interruption, but I just found an online review of our recent CD, from music-reviewer.com (http://www.music-reviewer.com/10_01/minus.htm), written by Roxanne Blanford. While she gets a few things wrong (we're actually a 3-piece, with a few guests on the disc), it seems like she actually listened to the disc and got to some of our intent. The review: The Northwest USA six-member band, Minus, is far from being just an ordinary band. For starters, they are not easy to label. Are they hard rock? Are they electronic rock? Are they Funk groove rock? Are they none of the above, and at the same time, a little bit all of the above? Well, let's consider the evidence. Minus rocks, yes they do. Track number 2, "3 Bad Brothers", has a very definite "Rock n Roll Ain't Noise Pollution"-era AC/DC vibe to it. The rough n ready guitar work of Mark France is both defiant and classically rooted, while being pelted by a storm of raw and raucous drumming. Skin-man Henry Franzoni lets it rip fierce on a number of tracks, leaving no doubt at all that Minus IS a real rock n roll band. But, Minus is also pretty groovy in a funky, low key sort of way. Check out "Acid Flesh", with its seductive, jazz/funk improv stylings and lazy feedback, zizzing and zazzing through the speakers. "Tard Bop" (contemplate THAT song title for a minute!) blends sounds in a Rush-like haze with subtle bass funk inflections right out of the Herbie Hancock school. "Stoner" makes me want to start singing 'woke up in my clothes again this morning' and wonder what Andy Summers might think of my little "Shadows In The Rain" reverie. This particular cut begins with bass lines ala' The Police, then careens off into a full-on rock guitar mania, complete with grinding riffs and revved up licks. And let's not forget that Minus employs DJ Scratch n Sniff on turntables for that hip hop rock flava, and Mark France and Dave Trenkel as both producers AND multi-instrumentalist, electronic wizards have enough trickery up their sleeves to make Minus a computerized music-lover's wet dream! Dark Lit is a mostly instrumental recording, with very little true 'vocalization' at all. It's a smorgasbord of synthesized, programmed, hands-on, tweaked and peaked sounds; a spiraling, splintered array of aural transmutations. In short, Minus' fresh release is innovatively different. But, then again, what else would you expect from a far from ordinary band? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 16:19:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19039; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c175f2$d6f06a20$0200a8c0@erdem> Reply-To: "erdem helvacioglu" From: "erdem helvacioglu" To: Subject: New song upload Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:50:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear loopers, I have uploaded a new song "Parcalanan hayale yolculuk " (which means - Journey to the broken dream ) to my web site at http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com . Although there are no synths and only sounds created with Metasynth and ProTools, I hope you will still enjoy it anyway. Thank you very much. Erdem Helvacioglu erdemhel@turk.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 16:23:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20313; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:00:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:00:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:51:25 EST Subject: Re: Self promo crap... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/25/01 11:39:55 AM, improv@peak.org writes: >http://www.music-reviewer.com Congratulations Dave on the review! Minus' CD is terrific and any attention it receives is much deserved. Keep it up guys! Also Admiral Twinkle Devil (AKA Dave Trenkle and DJ Scratch 'n Sniff) is well worth a listen too. I addition to the recent live stuff they have posed on the web is a fine CD. Check it out! Best Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 17:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25648; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:22:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:22:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: WKlein8318@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.1ed19d65.2932c73d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:14:21 EST Subject: Re: ALESIS AIR-FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/24/01 11:48:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << some of the patches seem to do absolutly nothing, anyone else notice this? >> I thought so too, but it has more to do with the freq range of what's on the input. It seems to be ideally suited to a CD/full range spectrum - DJ - type o' thing. Wanna try the mirror trick now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 18:41:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30984; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c17605$b5d47bc0$a9857ad5@oemcomputer> From: "Gordon Elcock" To: Subject: self promotion? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:16:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi bit of a cheek as a newbie but what's the policy on self-promotion? Would I be way out of line asking people to check out our site and tell me what they think of our sounds? Before doing anything else? gordon www.groomlakedanceband.co.uk not at all what you'd expect http://groomlakedanceband.iuma.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 18:51:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31512; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:28:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:28:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:20:17 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: That "lame bit" you mention. (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003001c17607$be5d9fe0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you might try just not reading that blurb... > And whenever I read that blurb, I think "What a moron!" > --- > * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 18:55:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31448; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:27:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:27:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:18:41 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Obtaining latest EDP manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c17607$85573c60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <97fHPB.A.xkH.txXA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the beauty of pdf's is that they print up real nice... > Hi all- > > I would like to get a copy of the newest EDP manual- I love the on-line .pdf > version but would prefer to have it in hard copy- my manual is older and > does not contain the revisions related to Loop v 5.0 - I'm not sure who to > contact at Gibson these days- the LD site lists Mike Ayers but I thought he > was gone? > > Cliff > > PS- Loving delay mode- and slapping Insert whilst playing with Feedback set > bout 1/3 - > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 19:19:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00869; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:58:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:58:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:49:57 -0800 Subject: Re: ALESIS AIR-FX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <2b.1ed19d65.2932c73d@aol.com> Message-Id: <21E49A62-E1FF-11D5-AF0F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: <0a2RrC.A.OI.hPYA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Agreed. I find it to be a lot more effective on the loop itself, than on the instrument going into the loop. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 02:14 PM, WKlein8318@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/24/01 11:48:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > > << some of the patches seem to do absolutly nothing, anyone else notice > this? >> > > I thought so too, but it has more to do with the freq range of what's > on the > input. > It seems to be ideally suited to a CD/full range spectrum - DJ - type o' > thing. > > Wanna try the mirror trick now! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 22:23:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12947; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:00:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:00:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Emailit2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:51:33 EST Subject: New Forum:Synth & Sampling PC/Mac+MPC2000(XL), S5/S6000, S2000, many more To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought Id let you all know about a new forum http://www.voxbeatz.com There are many different categories (20+ more to come). Akai MPC2000(XL), S5/S6000, S2000, ASR-10, PC, Macintosh, Sampling Techniques, etc.... There is also a category for forum suggestions. Good setup, with no advertisements. Id like to see this one take off!! Check out http://www.voxbeatz.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 22:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13252; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c17721$80f8ce20$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: Repeater Info please Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:56:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C176DE.4C5F0F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C176DE.4C5F0F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, i'm going buy a repeater soon, but i need to clear a few things = up. 1. The 3 button footswitch, are the controls, stop/play, record, and = [taptempo], or stop/play, record, and [undo]? Undo would be fabulous! 2. Has the new downloadable software improved things,=20 Does the unit still have to be in the effects loop of an amp, [line = level]=20 to reduce the hiss?. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C176DE.4C5F0F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy, i'm going buy a repeater soon, but i need to = clear a=20 few things up.
 
1.  The 3 button footswitch,  are the=20 controls,   stop/play, record, and [taptempo],
or stop/play, record,  and [undo]?
Undo would be fabulous!
 
2.  Has the new downloadable software improved = things,=20
Does the unit still have to be in the effects loop = of an=20 amp, [line level] 
to reduce the hiss?.
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C176DE.4C5F0F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 23:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15052; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:47:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:47:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:38:25 -0800 Subject: Re: New song upload Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001701c175f2$d6f06a20$0200a8c0@erdem> Message-Id: <0C3E665F-E21F-11D5-AF0F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I did enjoy it "anyway" but I'm not sure if I agree that "no synths" were used. Metasynth is software that happens to run on non dedicated hardware. Is that so different than a modern dedicated synth? I think this line is likely to get more and more blurred as time goes. I yearn for a day I can do what I do with a laptop, my guitar and an amp. Keep up the good work! Mark On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 12:50 PM, erdem helvacioglu wrote: > Dear loopers, > > I have uploaded a new song "Parcalanan hayale yolculuk " (which means - > Journey to the broken dream ) to my web site at > http://erdemhelvacioglu.iuma.com . > > Although there are no synths and only sounds created with Metasynth and > ProTools, I hope you will still enjoy it anyway. > > Thank you very much. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > erdemhel@turk.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 23:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15433; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:58:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:58:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:50:30 -0800 Subject: Re: self promotion? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000301c17605$b5d47bc0$a9857ad5@oemcomputer> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't speak for the rest of the list, but I for one love to hear what others are doing, and get feedback on the list. It seems to happen a lot, so I don't think anyone minds, as long as it's got a bit of looping content. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 12:16 PM, Gordon Elcock wrote: > Hi > > bit of a cheek as a newbie but what's the policy on self-promotion? > > Would I be way out of line asking people to check out our site and tell > me > what they think of our sounds? > > Before doing anything else? > > gordon > www.groomlakedanceband.co.uk not at all what you'd expect > > http://groomlakedanceband.iuma.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 25 23:21:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15432; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:58:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:58:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:48:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Repeater Info please Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-522051126 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c17721$80f8ce20$02000003@mpx.com.au> Message-Id: <85969592-E220-11D5-AF0F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-522051126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yes, it is stop/play, Record and Undo. Also, the new software has=20 improved things A LOT. MIDI synch is tight now, though I admit, I have=20= my Repeater Slaved to a drum machine, and not the other way around. I think you're best bet (if you intend to put this before a guitar amp)=20= is to buy a device that will bring the line level down to an instrument=20= level. I've got a Lexicon Vortex (instrument level) in it's effect=20 loop, and I've got to tell you, it's hard to get the level thing right.=20= It's almost all the way down and can still peak a bit. There's a=20 schematic on http://www.electrixpro.com that will tell you how to put a=20= resistor in line to pad the output down when used with a guitar amp. Mark On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 12:56 AM, cameron street wrote: > Howdy, i'm going buy a repeater soon, but i need to clear a few things=20= > up. > =A0 > 1. =A0The 3 button footswitch,=A0 are the controls,=A0=A0 stop/play, = record,=20 > and [taptempo], > or stop/play, record,=A0 and [undo]? > Undo would be fabulous! > =A0 > 2.=A0 Has the new downloadable software improved things, > Does the unit still have to be in the effects loop of an amp,=A0[line=20= > level]=A0 > to reduce the hiss?. > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --Apple-Mail-1-522051126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, it is stop/play, Record and Undo. Also, the new software has improved things A LOT. MIDI synch is tight now, though I admit, I have my Repeater Slaved to a drum machine, and not the other way around. I think you're best bet (if you intend to put this before a guitar amp) is to buy a device that will bring the line level down to an instrument level. I've got a Lexicon Vortex (instrument level) in it's effect loop, and I've got to tell you, it's hard to get the level thing right. It's almost all the way down and can still peak a bit.=20 There's a schematic on http://www.electrixpro.com that will tell you how to put a resistor in line to pad the output down when used with a guitar amp. Mark On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 12:56 AM, cameron street wrote: Howdy, i'm going buy a repeater soon, but i need to clear a few things up. =A0 1. =A0The 3 button footswitch,=A0 are the controls,=A0=A0= stop/play, record, and [taptempo], or stop/play, record,=A0 and = [undo]? Undo would be fabulous! =A0 2.=A0 Has the new downloadable software improved things, Does the unit still have to be in the effects loop of an amp,=A0[line level]=A0 to reduce the hiss?. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = --Apple-Mail-1-522051126-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 00:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18948; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:57:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:57:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:48:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000a01c17721$80f8ce20$02000003@mpx.com.au> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1. (L-R) Undo, Play/Stop, Record. And Electrix may make it possible to select button functions at a future date. 2. The unit is noticeably less buggy with the new software. The update also allows the Repeater to be added to the FX loop of a mixer (with the option of muting the dry input). Like Mark said, it's a hot little number. Placing it before an amp becomes an issue of getting a good signal to noise ratio without clipping. When dialed up properly, the Repeater is pretty quiet (IMO). But getting a good signal without clipping can be tricky if the input has a lot of range. Also keep in mind that I don't perform with a Repeater. I use it for composition, recording, learning, etc. But it will soon be apart of my performance. When it is, it will most definitely be *within* the loop of an amp or mixer (FWIW). -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: cameron street [mailto:c.jas@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Info please Howdy, i'm going buy a repeater soon, but i need to clear a few things up. 1. The 3 button footswitch, are the controls, stop/play, record, and [taptempo], or stop/play, record, and [undo]? Undo would be fabulous! 2. Has the new downloadable software improved things, Does the unit still have to be in the effects loop of an amp, [line level] to reduce the hiss?. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 00:26:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20293; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:03:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:03:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c17636$fc3926c0$f664f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200111260329.WAA14293@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: ALESIS AIR FX and other things Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:58:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tip, Michael.........the unit looks really cool and I know what you mean about the visuals. I just bought myself a Yamaha WX5 wind synth for precisely that reason: people are for more fascinated to see you controlling sample/synth sounds with it than if you trigger it with keyboards (not to mention that is has more midi continuous control than keyboards do with embochoure (sp?), tongueing, breath and bending/slurring keys). I have to admit, that I'm put off by the DJ oriented (and sub-professional) RCA connectors: what's with that, anyway? Also, I got my new Repeater and am in seventh heaven: they really fixed all of the bugs in the software 1.1 revision. All the stretching/retuning and tempo changing features are just great for seriously warping sounds...........I actually like it that the extreme stretches and tempo changes cause all kinds of artifacts.......... It's good to be alive: I played an abstract/avante garde looping set at, of all things, a goth pajama party last night and had an overwhelming and boistrous response from the crowd. It felt really good to be accepted for my idiosyncratic music. god bless this wonderful technology!!!! yours, rick walker (aka, loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 01:55:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25311; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:32:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:32:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701c17642$e92f6100$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <200111260329.WAA14293@hemlock.violacea.com> <008501c17636$fc3926c0$f664f93f@looppool> Subject: re: unbalanced jacks/repeater Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:23:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4IT7YC.A.2GG.w_dA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have to admit, that I'm put off by the DJ oriented (and sub-professional) > RCA connectors: > > what's with that, anyway? > does it strike anyone else as weird that while most of the electrix effects have balanced ins and outs, repeater itself is unbalanced? i asked about this on the forum with no response, and i'm curious how folks here feel about it. it's clearly possible to have unbalanced and balanced jacks on the same circuit, since for example mo-fx has rca and trs ins and outs. is it because they expect those of us using repeater with a (non dj style) mixer rather than an amp to be the minority? i'm just confused, feeling just a little cheated, and wondering why this change was made for the apparent flagship product. any insight appreciated! jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 02:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25899; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:47:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:47:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c701c17642$e92f6100$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> References: <200111260329.WAA14293@hemlock.violacea.com> <008501c17636$fc3926c0$f664f93f@looppool> <00c701c17642$e92f6100$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:38:09 -0500 To: "diatom drone" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett L Maraldo Subject: re: unbalanced jacks/repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it was most likely a cost/space issue. cheated? hard to beat the price of the repeater, even without balanced audio. plexus > > >> I have to admit, that I'm put off by the DJ oriented (and >sub-professional) >> RCA connectors: >> >> what's with that, anyway? >> > >does it strike anyone else as weird that while most of the electrix effects >have balanced ins and outs, repeater itself is unbalanced? i asked about >this on the forum with no response, and i'm curious how folks here feel >about it. it's clearly possible to have unbalanced and balanced jacks on the >same circuit, since for example mo-fx has rca and trs ins and outs. is it >because they expect those of us using repeater with a (non dj style) mixer >rather than an amp to be the minority? i'm just confused, feeling just a >little cheated, and wondering why this change was made for the apparent >flagship product. any insight appreciated! > >jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 02:22:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26261; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:58:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:58:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c17646$a6c681a0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <200111260329.WAA14293@hemlock.violacea.com><008501c17636$fc3926c0$f664f93f@looppool><00c701c17642$e92f6100$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Subject: unbalanced jacks/repeater (addendum) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:50:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright. cheated was kind of over the top. it's been a bad day. no offense intended to electrix. it's a great tool, i just find the unbalanced jacks mysterious and frustrating. in the signal to noise war every little bit counts, you know? i can live with it, i'd just feel better about it if i knew why. jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett L Maraldo To: diatom drone ; Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:38 AM Subject: re: unbalanced jacks/repeater > it was most likely a cost/space issue. cheated? hard to beat the > price of the repeater, even without balanced audio. > > plexus > > > > > >> I have to admit, that I'm put off by the DJ oriented (and > >sub-professional) > >> RCA connectors: > >> > >> what's with that, anyway? > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 02:31:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28167; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:11:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:11:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:01:53 -0800 Subject: Re: ALESIS AIR FX and other things Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008501c17636$fc3926c0$f664f93f@looppool> Message-Id: <78B9399C-E23B-11D5-AF0F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 08:58 PM, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > I have to admit, that I'm put off by the DJ oriented (and > sub-professional) > RCA connectors: > > what's with that, anyway? > Yeah! What the hell IS with that? I'll tell ya what's up with that: My guess is that the DJ market is a lot bigger than the musical instrument market at this point, and is getting bigger. Prepare for a future where new cool gear has RCA connectors. > > It's good to be alive: I played an abstract/avante garde looping set > at, > of all things, a goth pajama party last night and had an overwhelming > and > boistrous response from the crowd. > It felt really good to be accepted for my idiosyncratic music. god > bless > this wonderful technology!!!! > > yours, rick walker (aka, loop.pool) > Did the pajamas with the feet in 'em give you decent pedal control? Don't lie, I know you wore them. I also have good news, the Halloween party we played at has landed us a Christmas party for a Forensic Science Lab. I can't think of a better gig. Mmmmmm lumenall.... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 02:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28394; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:17:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:17:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:08:43 -0800 Subject: Re: unbalanced jacks/repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00c701c17642$e92f6100$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Message-Id: <6D719FED-E23C-11D5-AF0F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you're a little confused. The only Electrix product with a balanced input is the mic input of the Warp Factory. Also, the Repeater has both quarter inch and RCA jacks in and out, including the effects loop. If you're going short distances with your cable, you'll be OK either way. Mark On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 10:23 PM, diatom drone wrote: > >> >> I have to admit, that I'm put off by the DJ oriented (and > sub-professional) >> RCA connectors: >> >> what's with that, anyway? >> > > does it strike anyone else as weird that while most of the electrix > effects > have balanced ins and outs, repeater itself is unbalanced? i asked about > this on the forum with no response, and i'm curious how folks here feel > about it. it's clearly possible to have unbalanced and balanced jacks > on the > same circuit, since for example mo-fx has rca and trs ins and outs. is > it > because they expect those of us using repeater with a (non dj style) > mixer > rather than an amp to be the minority? i'm just confused, feeling just a > little cheated, and wondering why this change was made for the apparent > flagship product. any insight appreciated! > > jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 03:27:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31223; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:04:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:04:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010601c1764f$d32696a0$38f62618@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <6D719FED-E23C-11D5-AF0F-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: unbalanced jacks/repeater Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:56:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No sir. The Warp Factory indeed has the only *XLR* input, but I was referring to the TRS jacks that are set up to accept balanced or unbalanced cables on the Mo-Fx, Warp Factory, and Filter Factory. Just checked all 3 manuals to be sure, they're there. But point taken on keeping the cable lengths short. Is there a rule of thumb? I don't have anything longer than 6 feet right now, but I suspect dirty wiring in my apartment, so i'm just trying to cover every base I can on a budget. Thanks! Jon > I think you're a little confused. The only Electrix product with a > balanced input is the mic input of the Warp Factory. Also, the Repeater > has both quarter inch and RCA jacks in and out, including the effects > loop. If you're going short distances with your cable, you'll be OK > either way. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 03:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32047; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:18:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:18:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mark.red@involvelearning.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:07:39 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mail/External/InvolveLearning(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 11/26/2001 09:34:37 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where did all you repeater guys get your SimpleTech Compact card memory online? good price? Can,t find off the shelf here in Norway. Actually, i couldnt get Repeater here either, had to order it. But if any of you want Moose, or Rotten Fish or pig fat (or other Norsk Christmas food, it can be arranged) MArk Red From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 05:23:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05982; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:00:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:00:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.pricewatch.com I went to www.PCStop.com -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: mark.red@involvelearning.com [mailto:mark.red@involvelearning.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Where did all you repeater guys get your SimpleTech Compact card memory online? good price? Can,t find off the shelf here in Norway. Actually, i couldnt get Repeater here either, had to order it. But if any of you want Moose, or Rotten Fish or pig fat (or other Norsk Christmas food, it can be arranged) MArk Red From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 10:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24227; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:06:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:57:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 14:57:09.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F8A4D10:01C1768A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I went to pricewatch and ordered it there for around $90.00. I went to the Sam's Club (local) and found it there for $60.00 but I didn't purchase it since I already ordered one. If they are the same I will inform the list, Sam's had them in stock which really bothered me after I order it but it's only money.... The Repeater is wonderful with the Echoplex in the effects loop! Weg From: "Tim Goodwin" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:53:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDCB5D9F00B1400431CCCFE4EE0909470; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:00:14 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04701;Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:52:22 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:01:29 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.pricewatch.com I went to www.PCStop.com -- Tim -----Original Message----- From: mark.red@involvelearning.com [mailto:mark.red@involvelearning.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Where did all you repeater guys get your SimpleTech Compact card memory online? good price? Can,t find off the shelf here in Norway. Actually, i couldnt get Repeater here either, had to order it. But if any of you want Moose, or Rotten Fish or pig fat (or other Norsk Christmas food, it can be arranged) MArk Red _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 11:48:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29776; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:25:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:25:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:18:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Resent-Message-ID: <3GLmGC.A.jLH.IsmA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I ordered a Simpletech 128MB from costco.com for $93 which included the reader, which I didn't really need because I had already bought one. The very same day I found out from a friend that Sam's Club had them so I cancelled my order with costco and went to Sam's. Sam's is selling them for $64.98 but you get a $10 rebate on top of that (Rebate is good until Nov 29). However the card I bought was one of those that wouldn't format so I mailed it to Electrix on Saturday for an exchange. So the total comes to around $60 after rebate plus tax and cost of mailing back to Electrix. I don't know if Electrix ever figured out which particular batches of Simpletech 128MB CFCs won't work in Repeater. Ed >Hi, > I went to pricewatch and ordered it there for around $90.00. I went to >the Sam's Club (local) and found it there for $60.00 but I didn't purchase >it since I already ordered one. If they are the same I will inform the >list, Sam's had them in stock which really bothered me after I order it but >it's only money.... The Repeater is wonderful with the Echoplex in the >effects loop! > > >Weg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 13:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04785; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:02:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:02:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.9115c11.2933db4f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:52:15 EST Subject: Re: Self promo crap... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10c.9115c11.2933db4f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10c.9115c11.2933db4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey dave.....how do i get this baby?.....nice review!!.....:)m --part1_10c.9115c11.2933db4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey dave.....how do i get this baby?.....nice review!!.....:)m --part1_10c.9115c11.2933db4f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 13:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06060; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:26:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:26:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:18:50 EST Subject: Re: ALESIS AIR-FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a6.1d5a7d37.2933e18a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a6.1d5a7d37.2933e18a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/01 5:16:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, :)m writes: > perhaps i over-reacted!.....it seems more willy-nilly, sometimes they do stuff, sometimes they dont.....i totally luv the ability to save a sound, its like a whole lot of footpedals, great fun and to me, usefull.....otbw, i discovered that i can send the signal from the rang thru all manner of stuff (rang>air-fx>electric stuff>into mackie vlz) then send this back into itself on an effects send on the mixer, what this means, is that i can effect the loop coming from the rang and then send that sound back into the rang and add it to the loop, the only problem is that the volume of the effected signal is a bit low in relation to the original loop but so what!.....patch 4 into a long delay is such fun, this is how i will start my next gig, just walk on stage and start goonin out.....i want to disguise the box somehow any ideas?.....im also working on playing it with the neck of my guitar a bit difficult but i imagine very do-able.....perhaps a mirror on the end of the neck.....does anyone have a good design for a tin-foil hat?.....:)m --part1_a6.1d5a7d37.2933e18a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/01 5:16:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, :)m writes:


some of the patches seem to do absolutly nothing


perhaps i over-reacted!.....it seems more willy-nilly, sometimes they do stuff, sometimes they dont.....i totally luv the ability to save a sound, its like a whole lot of footpedals, great fun and to me, usefull.....otbw, i discovered that i can send the signal from the rang thru all manner of stuff (rang>air-fx>electric stuff>into mackie vlz) then send this back into itself  on an effects send on the mixer, what this means, is that i can effect the loop coming from the rang and then send that sound back into the rang and add it to the loop, the only problem is that the volume of the effected signal is a bit low in relation to the original loop but so what!.....patch 4 into a long delay is such fun, this is how i will start my next gig, just walk on stage and start goonin out.....i want to disguise the box somehow any ideas?.....im also working on playing it with the neck of my guitar a bit difficult but i imagine very do-able.....perhaps a mirror on the end of the neck.....does anyone have a good design for a tin-foil hat?.....:)m --part1_a6.1d5a7d37.2933e18a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 13:51:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06186; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:28:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <138.53c5332.2933e22b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:21:31 EST Subject: Re: That "lame bit" you mention. (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_138.53c5332.2933e22b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: <1EXvWC.A.IbB.LhoA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_138.53c5332.2933e22b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/01 6:22:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > you might try just not reading that blurb... > > i read it every time.....damn.....thanks jim.....:)m --part1_138.53c5332.2933e22b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/01 6:22:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimp@pobox.com writes:


you might try just not reading that blurb...



i read it every time.....damn.....thanks jim.....:)m --part1_138.53c5332.2933e22b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 13:56:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06485; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:31:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "p koniuto" Subject: --M/C issue topic-- Message-Id: <261101330.37441@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:24:07 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <8VR7xC.A.YdB.jjoA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wonder if some writers in this here community can throw a spin on the issue topic of M/C with release date: 31 July 2002. http://moby.curtin.edu.au/~ausstud/mc/contrib.html They're looking for contributions. -peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 14:02:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06951; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:31:18 EST Subject: Re: Repeater Info please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fd.f98a409.2933e476_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fd.f98a409.2933e476_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/26/01 3:12:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.red@involvelearning.com writes: > sign me up!.....:)m --part1_fd.f98a409.2933e476_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/26/01 3:12:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.red@involvelearning.com writes:


But if any of you want Moose, or Rotten Fish or pig fat


sign me up!.....:)m --part1_fd.f98a409.2933e476_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 14:13:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07646; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:50:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Jamie Drouin (Electrix)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Need the new Repeater OS1.1...want another CompactFlash card? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:41:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, We've opened up a small online Electrix store carrying the following items: -OS1.1 preloaded onto 16MB CompactFlash cards -128MB SimpleTech CompactFlash cards -two styles of Electrix tshirts The preloaded cards are a good solution for those who were not setup to download the new Repeater OS off the web site. Payments are all handled through PayPal. Visit the Electrix store at http://www.electrixpro.com/purchase/store.html Best, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer Electrix/IVL Technologies Ltd 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 14:20:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08520; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <94.1d9669bc.2933e899@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:48:57 EST Subject: neat guitar (or anything else) tip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_94.1d9669bc.2933e899_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_94.1d9669bc.2933e899_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i never heard this one before.....might make a good CT-COLLECTIVE cd.....:)m <> --part1_94.1d9669bc.2933e899_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i never heard this one before.....might make a good CT-COLLECTIVE cd.....:)m


<<Alphabet Study

The tone color scale we will use is a simple one: the alphabet. Observe as you speak the alphabet, "A, B, C. . . ." Note the twenty-six tone colors your mouth produces, how they are produced, and the movement of your lips, tongue, and teeth. Incredible!

Now, with your pick hand (using a pick or your fingers), try to produce these twenty-six sounds -- or at least some facsimile of them -- on your guitar.

Choose a single note for your fingerboard hand to hold during this exploration. Imagine the sound of the letter A. Then with your pick hand, play the note until you find an articulation that sounds similar. Try varying the angle of the pick or your fingernail, or the location on the string that you are playing (between bridge and fingerboard), to find the sound. When you have your first tone color for the letter A, move on to the letter B. Just as your mouth changes to speak these letters, your pick hand should change to play them. How does your hand feel when you play the letter B, relative to how you played the letter A? More angle? Nearer to the fingerboard? Continue through the rest of the alphabet.

If this seems crazy, that's because it is! But! If you try it, I promise you will find some interesting sounds.

This is a subjective study. Everyone will play their tone color alphabet differently. It is simply a study to explore an array of tone color possibilities.>>

--part1_94.1d9669bc.2933e899_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 14:33:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10229; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:09:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.193.125.73] From: "The Weg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:55:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 18:55:54.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA001880:01C176AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, The card at Sam's Club says it is a Type I and it sells for around $60.00 with a $10.00 rebate (I didn't purchase yet), which sounds like a great deal but how long will Electrix exchange them? Today I received my card in the mail and it looks different from the Sam's card but the specs. are the same. It formated quickly and I was able to save a loop in seconds. Hey if Electrix exchanges you card let us know! I will purchase at Sam's. Thanks, Weg From: Ed Drake Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info please Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:18:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDCBB7BB0053400438D8CFE4EE090E120; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:24:32 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29416;Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:17:12 -0500 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:25:19 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ejdrake@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <3GLmGC.A.jLH.IsmA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I ordered a Simpletech 128MB from costco.com for $93 which included the reader, which I didn't really need because I had already bought one. The very same day I found out from a friend that Sam's Club had them so I cancelled my order with costco and went to Sam's. Sam's is selling them for $64.98 but you get a $10 rebate on top of that (Rebate is good until Nov 29). However the card I bought was one of those that wouldn't format so I mailed it to Electrix on Saturday for an exchange. So the total comes to around $60 after rebate plus tax and cost of mailing back to Electrix. I don't know if Electrix ever figured out which particular batches of Simpletech 128MB CFCs won't work in Repeater. Ed >Hi, > I went to pricewatch and ordered it there for around $90.00. I went to >the Sam's Club (local) and found it there for $60.00 but I didn't purchase >it since I already ordered one. If they are the same I will inform the >list, Sam's had them in stock which really bothered me after I order it but >it's only money.... The Repeater is wonderful with the Echoplex in the >effects loop! > > >Weg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 15:41:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15079; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:17:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:17:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0074333@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: san diego, ca, usa, gig spam Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:08:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C176B6.1C3A9010" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C176B6.1C3A9010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Scot Ray Quintet at Spruce Street Forum, San Diego Saturday December 1st / 8pm Nels Cline - guitar/loopage Jeff Gauthier - violin Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage Alex Cline - drums/percussion Scot Ray - trombone/compositions An evening of extreme-jazz, avant-funk, liquid-americana and skronk-blues experimentation! The LA Weekly extols, "Scot Ray is a trombonist with an exciting new plan. Ray veers from texture to texture, form to form, but with enough structure to keep everything from rolling off the table. The scattering and unifying drum opportunities surely appeal to percussionist Alex Cline. The intuitive relation to scored line and eventual improvisation is violinist Gauthier's forte. Bassist Liebig will dig deep into Ray's intermittent grooves, then generate waves of noise that'll scare a moose. And guitarist Nels Cline loves playing those tight unison lines and fogging out the big clouds of electronic atmosphere that Ray demands and helps create. Ray has also played in the Brian Setzer Orchestra. But anyone expecting swing revivals here will weep bitter tears." Spruce Street Forum www.sprucestreetforum.com 301 Spruce St. / San Diego / 92103 / #619-295-0301 tickets $15/10students Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Scot Ray Quintet at Spruce Street Forum, San Diego
Saturday December 1st / 8pm

Nels Cline - guitar/loopage
Jeff Gauthier - violin
Steuart Liebig - bass/(some) loopage
Alex Cline - drums/percussion
Scot Ray - trombone/compositions

An evening of extreme-jazz, avant-funk, liquid-americana and skronk-blues experimentation!
The LA Weekly extols, "Scot Ray is a trombonist with an exciting new plan.  Ray veers from
texture to texture, form to form, but with enough structure to keep everything from rolling
off the table.  The scattering and unifying drum opportunities surely appeal to percussionist
Alex Cline. The intuitive relation to scored line and eventual improvisation is violinist
Gauthier's forte.  Bassist Liebig will dig deep into Ray's intermittent grooves, then generate
waves of noise that'll scare a moose.  And guitarist Nels Cline loves playing those tight
unison lines and fogging out the big clouds of electronic atmosphere that Ray demands and
helps create.  Ray has also played in the Brian Setzer Orchestra.  But anyone expecting swing
revivals here will weep bitter tears."

Spruce Street Forum
www.sprucestreetforum.com
301 Spruce St. / San Diego / 92103 / #619-295-0301
tickets $15/10students




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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C176B6.1C3A9010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 17:31:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22664; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:05:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:05:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C02C9D8.7629D69F@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:01:44 -0800 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: World'd First Southern California Fast Food Loopfest References: <200111240756.CAA20326@hemlock.violacea.com> <00a101c174cd$82f9a100$1561f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > BTW, Hey Jason, I proudly took off my overshirt to show my brother my > beautiful brand new LOOPERS DELIGHT T-SHIRT and he laughed and took his > overshirt off to show me his brand new LOOPERS DELIGHT T-SHIRT. I knew there was something suspicious about 2 looping "Walker" guys on my shipping list! Both in California to boot. Glad you like the shirts... only one more box to mail. Those "Cave Studio" guys in Japan will have theirs on the way before this day is out. Yea! later, -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 20:53:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03796; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:26:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:26:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Reply-To: cave@osk.3web.ne.jp Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:19:33 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [webcast spam] 2nd Dec. Wavetable Workshop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I will stream my workshop via Real Video from Kobe. Please check it.. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/wavetable/wavetable.ram Real Player G2 or greater required. About "Wavetable Workshop" When: 2nd Dec. 2001 2:00-5:00PM (JST) = 5:00-8:00AM (GMT) Where: C.U.E CAPHOUSE #314,3-19-8,Cyuo-ku,Yamamoto Dori, Kobe City,Hyogo Lecturer: Sunao Inami Fee: 500 yen Menu: What is Wavetable? History Sound programing Tips and trick What is difference the sounds between 2.2,2.3,Microwave,XT etc.. Future Events(PPG UK reunion,PPG 2001,2002 etc) Archives,mailing list etc.. Blah blah blah.. Display and sound check: PPG Wave 2.2 and 2.3 Waldorf Microwave I ,Microwave XT,Q and PPG wave 2.V. Access Microwave Programmer Kenton MIDI kit for 2.2. etc.. More info: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/wavetable/index_e.html Contact: C.U.E http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/wavetable/ cue@cavestudio.org tel & fax +81-78-241-9389 ------------- Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 20:53:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04007; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:28:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Repeator outputs Resent-Message-ID: <1vepiC.A.e6.8tuA8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may be old news, but Ebtech makes a line level shifting/ground isolation device that a friend of mine says works great at cleaning up the output noise of his Jamman which has I believe -10db instrument level outputs. By stepping up the outputs to +4, he claims it really improves the S to N ratio. I have'nt tried it yet, but perhaps the Repeator might benefit from this same approach. Has anyone out there tried one of these device's? The are'nt very expensive and come in either non rack stereo or rack mounted multiple pair configurations. Might be worth the investigation. Bill Walker PS It might be my imagination, but since I've been wearing my looper shirt, I've been getting much more action from the Ladies..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 21:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07810; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:28:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:28:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c176ea$46e01540$e8954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: World'd First Southern California Fast Food Loopfest Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:21:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason wrote: >I knew there was something suspicious about 2 looping "Walker" guys on >my shipping list! Both in California to boot. yeah, these 2 "Mr. Walker-s"* making jungle music out there on the coast, in trench coats and oversize hats so you can't see their faces clearly . . . a glimpse of purple spandex under the trenchcoat . . . extremely suspicious . . . * for "The Ghost Who Walks" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 26 22:04:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08651; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:34:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C02F9DE.838B10CE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:26:38 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeator outputs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Repeater has the opposite problem, it's line level out, so it's a bit too hot for most guitar amps. Mark Sottilaro "William R. Walker," wrote: > This may be old news, but Ebtech makes a line level shifting/ground > isolation device that a friend of mine says works great at cleaning up the > output noise of his Jamman which has I believe -10db instrument level > outputs. By stepping up the outputs to +4, he claims it really improves the > S to N ratio. I have'nt tried it yet, but perhaps the Repeator might > benefit from this same approach. Has anyone out there tried one of these > device's? The are'nt very expensive and come in either non rack stereo or > rack mounted multiple pair configurations. > Might be worth the investigation. > Bill Walker > > PS It might be my imagination, but since I've been wearing my looper shirt, > I've been getting much more action from the Ladies..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 01:03:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19670; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:39:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:37:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Self promo crap... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 11/25/01 11:39:55 AM, improv@peak.org writes: > >>http://www.music-reviewer.com > >Congratulations Dave on the review! Minus' CD is terrific and >any attention it receives is much deserved. Keep it up guys! >Also Admiral Twinkle Devil (AKA Dave Trenkle and DJ Scratch 'n >Sniff) is well worth a listen too. I addition to the recent live >stuff they have posed on the web is a fine CD. Check it out! Thanks, Ted! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 11:09:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23724; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c17758$f696f440$2b0f5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #244 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:33:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #244 November 22, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I resumed the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert that sprang up to fill the void felt by the cancellation of some of this year's EM festivsls. The Featured CD at Midnight was replaced by the minidisc recording of Headshock. Thanks to Andy Bloyce for engineering the recording so that I could relax and enjoy the show! The vinyl show starter, a new feature of the show leftover from WDIY's Salute to Records, was by Klaus Schulze. The Hampshire Jam http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#nov PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze The Looper Isn't a Dig It (Brain) Hooker John Rose Gravity Cosmogenesis (SpaceForMusic.com Records) Lee DiBane Alone in a Church Falling Upwards Into Sky (Eleven One Records) Paul Nagle Wassernixe Blue Book (Neu Harmony) Todd Fletcher Between Islands Star (ARYA) Orbital Decay 6 of 3 Drastic Park (none) VA [Richard Bone] Inevitable Zen Tracks Across the Universe (none) OZMA 61 Cygni A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) Stephen Philips and Cave of the Wind * Cave of the Wind (Dark Duck) 12:00 am Headshock Careful with the Bass Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Eugene Headshock Twee Hugger Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock MFPE Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Rehash in Am Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Dark Bastard Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Gloom and a Prayer Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Melloman Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Lurking Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Where did the Polymorph Hampshire Jam Concert (none) go? Headshock Bongmystic Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Steve Roach Way of Now Core (Timeroom Editions) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on The Hampshire Jam, a concert that presented five of Europe's top electronic music acts and took place on October 27, 2001. The Feature CD at Midnight will be replaced by the performance given by Radio Massacre International. The set from AirSculpture will be played in the first hour of EMUSIC. Next week's vinyl show starter will be by Robert Schroder. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 12:37:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30194; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:06:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c17764$f58edca0$36964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: OT - Re: World'd First Southern California Fast Food Loopfest Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:00:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ***advance apologies for sending this to the list*** Ronald - I was unable to open your message at all. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 13:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03100; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:19:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:19:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRyqvJHuZt2Ywgzv3mXVR6APlA6WgIVALhVjPu+SIwxWlb5Ddn5FGpwy7bU From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:11:42 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed Message-ID: <3158-3C03D75E-6622@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Tom Ritchford 's message of Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:30:19 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone on this list tried the Map 1 arpeggiator. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 13:59:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04204; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:37:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:37:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c17771$b8cae900$2f362c42@hppav> From: "Ronald G. Begley" To: "Timothy A Price" , "Therese M. Droste" , , "Sales@OurismanFairfaxToyota.com" , "Renascence Clinic" , "Oliver Russell" , "O russell" , "Nancy S." , "Nancy Nickell" , "Mike Parquette" , "Mike Bagwell" , "Michael Trippi" , "Michael Lieberman" , "me at MCS" , , "Mary Jean Kane" , "Mary Begley" , "Mark Robinson" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Luisa_Fernanda_Bautista_Garc=EDa?= , "Loopers Delight" , "Kenny Begley .0at Home" , "Kenny Begley" , , "Joe Santone" , "Gardiner, William F." , "felipa medina" , "Edward Mittman" , "Douglas Rheinheimer" , "Doug Rheinheimer" , , "Cope's Jenny Koh" , , "Clark Chesser" , "Clark and Mike" , "chatterbox mailaccount \(auto reply\)" , "Carolyn Kravitz" , "Bob Crain" , "Bill Gardiner" , Subject: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:31:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01C17747.CC075320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C17747.CC075320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My computer was infected with the new Badtrans.B worm. It tried to send itself to everyone in my Inbox -- that means YOU. If you received an email from me with an attachment, DELETE IT -- DO NOT = OPEN IT. I did not send you any email with an attachment -- if you = received one, it was the virus. The virus's subject field probably says = "Re:" and nothing else. A couple of you have emailed me that you tried to open "my" attachment, = but couldn't. I do not know if that means you were infected or not -- = it probably does. When I got this virus, I thought the attachment I was = trying to open, was failing to open, but it still infected my computer. You'll know you have it and it is sending emails out if a) you get = automated responses from websites (Amazon.com, etc) thanking you for = your recent email and they will respond as soon as possible, when you = know you have not emailed them, and/or b) you get lots of = "undeliverable mail" messages in your Inbox. If you're infected, go to the website of your computer's virus scanning = software for an update and directions. Good luck. -- Ron (begley@starpower.net) . ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C17747.CC075320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My computer was infected with the new = Badtrans.B=20 worm.
It tried to send itself to everyone in = my Inbox --=20 that means YOU.
If you received an email from me with = an=20 attachment, DELETE IT -- DO NOT OPEN IT. I did not send you any email = with an=20 attachment -- if you received one, it was the virus. The virus's subject = field=20 probably says "Re:" and nothing else.
A couple of you have emailed me that = you tried to=20 open "my" attachment, but couldn't.  I do not know if that means = you were=20 infected or not -- it probably does. When I got this virus, I thought = the=20 attachment I was trying to open, was failing to open, but it still = infected my=20 computer.
You'll know you have it and it is = sending emails=20 out if  a) you get automated responses from websites = (Amazon.com, etc)=20 thanking you for your recent email and they will respond as soon as = possible,=20 when you know you have not emailed them,  and/or b) you get lots of = "undeliverable mail" messages in your Inbox.
If you're infected, go to the website = of your=20 computer's virus scanning software for an update and = directions.
Good luck.
 
-- Ron (begley@starpower.net) = .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_012F_01C17747.CC075320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:19:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09393; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:44:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:44:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01c175bf$88033740$48943b3e@remco> References: <001b01c175bf$88033740$48943b3e@remco> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:39:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop copy questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've a couple of qustions concerning the copy-functions of the >Echoplex. Is there a way to copy an existing loop to the next loop, >without having to use the SwitchQuant=ON functions? >The thing is that in other songs I switch sometimes during the >loop. I like this function to make the song more organic& >unpredictable. When I use SwitchQuant=ON I first have to end the >whole loop. SwitchQuant=CNF seems apropriate: select the loop you are going to, LEDs all brown. Then execute the swiching by hitting any button, being that they all do it in a different way. With Multiply, sound is copied while you can make it longer and play over it. The very same function you get with LoopCopy=Snd >Also, is there a way to make a dump of your settings at the >beginning of the song (I use a sequencer live to trigger a sampler >for percussionsounds). By making a dump I could switch between the >above mentioned differences when I start a new song. In Loop3, you have to create the "dump" by hand: Simply select the settings while the Sequencer is recording, starting with a longpress to set a defined value. Of course you can also create the right notes in the sequencer with the editor. To set SwitchQuant=CNF, for example: Long-Parameters 4 Parameters Long-Insert 2 Insert Long-Parameters In Loop4, we will have Sysex to set the parameters and presets you can choose with MIDI program change. Soon. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:22:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09750; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:50:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c17605$b5d47bc0$a9857ad5@oemcomputer> References: <000301c17605$b5d47bc0$a9857ad5@oemcomputer> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:46:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: self promotion? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi > >bit of a cheek as a newbie but what's the policy on self-promotion? every one offers on the list what he does, thats natural and informative. I have my URL in the signature and assume that anyone guesses that there is music of mine. And next time I put up something new, I will remind you. >Would I be way out of line asking people to check out our site and tell me >what they think of our sounds? > >Before doing anything else? this sounded attractive and I obeyed, but it also increases expectation... >gordon >www.groomlakedanceband.co.uk not at all what you'd expect > >http://groomlakedanceband.iuma.com/ So you want to know what I thought: It sounds similar to the loops I made on the Roland 3000 in '85, just that from the start, I had a volume pedal in the FeedBack insert, so I had a way to fade out of the story and grow into the next... and it rather sounds like the ones I trashed because I thought it was curing to do it but less for someone to listen to... but I may be wrong! keep looping! Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:22:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09809; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:51:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:43:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271943.OAA06397@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <-QLSaB.A.QSC.E0-A8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My computer was infected with the new Badtrans.B worm. Just in case you haven't noticed... basically ALL viruses to date work EXCLUSIVELY on Microsoft products. Since I don't use any Microsoft products (partly because they have very little interest in making them secure) I have never gotten a virus. Lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again. (Lose Windows and you'll be a happier person but that's a big wrench for most people.) The fix is in with the media and they never tell you this fact... /t -- The new moon is shining, The harmonious hand is now holding Lord Krishna's ring, the eagle's wing, The voice of mother, everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:54:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12704; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022701c17780$f20de280$21197ad5@oemcomputer> From: "Gordon Elcock" To: References: Subject: Re: self promotion? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:56:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:50 AM Subject: Re: self promotion? > I can't speak for the rest of the list, but I for one love to hear what > others are doing, and get feedback on the list. It seems to happen a > lot, so I don't think anyone minds, as long as it's got a bit of looping > content. > > Mark Sottilaro > well Korg AX-1G and AX-1B get well used not sure the tracks available on the two sites actually show that From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12691; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <200111271943.OAA06397@www.editev.com> Subject: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:23:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2001 20:23:27.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F0193F0:01C17781] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again. > (Lose Windows and you'll be a happier person but > that's a big wrench for most people.) > So what do you use? Wait, what choice do we have? Do you mean... a MAC? But, what if I'm not ready for that? I'm not sure if I'm man enough to be part of the Saturn driving crew. I did eat some quiche for breakfast, though... > Just in case you haven't noticed... basically ALL viruses to date > work EXCLUSIVELY on Microsoft products. Since I don't > use any Microsoft products (partly because they have > very little interest in making them secure) I have > never gotten a virus. > What??? I've NEVER heard that before!! Wow!! Why is it that no-one macs virus for the mac? Could it be that macs are inherently superior in every way? What about their users? Do they never get a cold, either? Are they also inherently superior members of a master race? Do you think we know something they don't? > The fix is in with the media and they never tell > you this fact... Naturally, it's part of the grand plot to stomp down macs and their users. All run by Bill, and the Taliban, of course. I hear that he sleeps with the devil. Or perhaps Steve Jobs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 15:59:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13250; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:39:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:39:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127122830.01c20ae8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: mpulver@mulder.intermag.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:31:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! In-Reply-To: References: <200111271943.OAA06397@www.editev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2001 20:31:38.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[83E76B80:01C17782] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri (12:23 PM 11.27.2001) wrote: >> Lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again. >> (Lose Windows and you'll be a happier person but >> that's a big wrench for most people.) > >So what do you use? Wait, what choice do we have? Do you mean... a MAC? But, >what if I'm not ready for that? I'm not sure if I'm man enough to be part of >the Saturn driving crew. I did eat some quiche for breakfast, though... I can't tell if you're being serious or tounge-in-cheek, but Eudora and Pegasus are popular choices for Windows email clients. Eudora: http://www.eudora.com Pegasus: http://www.pmail.com/ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 16:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13457; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:42:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:42:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CarlJacobson@cakewalk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOU S VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:36:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <5ZxLsC.A.0JD.Ok_A8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey I use a PC and drive a Saturn...What does that mean? -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! > Lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again. > (Lose Windows and you'll be a happier person but > that's a big wrench for most people.) > So what do you use? Wait, what choice do we have? Do you mean... a MAC? But, what if I'm not ready for that? I'm not sure if I'm man enough to be part of the Saturn driving crew. I did eat some quiche for breakfast, though... > Just in case you haven't noticed... basically ALL viruses to date > work EXCLUSIVELY on Microsoft products. Since I don't > use any Microsoft products (partly because they have > very little interest in making them secure) I have > never gotten a virus. > What??? I've NEVER heard that before!! Wow!! Why is it that no-one macs virus for the mac? Could it be that macs are inherently superior in every way? What about their users? Do they never get a cold, either? Are they also inherently superior members of a master race? Do you think we know something they don't? > The fix is in with the media and they never tell > you this fact... Naturally, it's part of the grand plot to stomp down macs and their users. All run by Bill, and the Taliban, of course. I hear that he sleeps with the devil. Or perhaps Steve Jobs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 16:33:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15767; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <046401c17786$20a21260$21197ad5@oemcomputer> From: "Gordon Elcock" To: References: <000301c17605$b5d47bc0$a9857ad5@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: self promotion? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:57:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > So you want to know what I thought: > It sounds similar to the loops I made on the Roland 3000 in '85, just > that from the start, I had a volume pedal in the FeedBack insert, so > I had a way to fade out of the story and grow into the next... and it > rather sounds like the ones I trashed because I thought it was curing > to do it but less for someone to listen to... but I may be wrong! and which track was that? just curious as I like to post all comments made on the site there for all to read > > keep looping! > Matthias > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 16:39:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15731; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:06:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:06:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013201c17771$b8cae900$2f362c42@hppav> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:58:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By the bye, if you really don't feel like sharing your whole email address book with the planet, the "BCC:" field can be your friend. (And as we say on NAN-AE, "Friends don't let friends use Microsoft Outlook.) --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 16:44:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16503; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ea01c17787$101c8780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:04:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_pG90C.A.28D.aGAB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey I use a PC and drive a Saturn...What does that mean? I tried that, but the dang monitor kept falling off the dashboard! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 16:45:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16502; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:02:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOU S VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey I use a PC and drive a Saturn...What does that mean? it means you have a 'different kind of car', but you don't 'think different'... dunno, you're 'half-different'? :) rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 16:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17032; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:29:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:29:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:20:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200111272120.QAA12486@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 64.59.15.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1GbLkD.A.yEE.SPAB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again. damn, I didn't realize that this went to the list! I'm terribly sorry, thought it was a private email to me and quickly responded. (but a note for those of you who think I'm pushing Macs: I am writing this on a FreeBSD machine and my server is a Linux machine, though I have a Mac at home. I ain't pro-Mac, I'm anti-MS, through many years of very direct experience with this hostile and unethical company. (And, yes, people told MS for, literally, years that Outlook was inherently unsafe and only after a literal BILLION dollars in damage was done did they do anything... (I repeat, lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again.) /t -- The new moon is shining, The harmonious hand is now holding Lord Krishna's ring, the eagle's wing, The voice of mother, everything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 17:21:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18320; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:51:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:51:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:53:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Looping Toys for sale Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Looper's Some things you folks may be interested in, if not they'll go to Harmony Central... Digitech RDS 7.6 $100.00 -Grunge-o-matic pitch mangling delays, infinte hold, voltage control of delay time, etc, Functionally fine, cosmetically only average, rack scratches and 2 missing "caps" for the knobs. SP-808 $600 -Basic SP-808 with upgrade to newer 808EX software, adds vocoder, formant shifter, numerous guitar fx, and Pad to Track function (allows routing each 4 pads to a separate tracks, w. slider control of track volume and fx sends) Cosmetically and functionally fine. Korg AM800R $300 -nice fx box w/ numerous delays, rez filters w/ LFO and Envelope Followers, ring mods, distortions, etc. 3 channels of FX, 2 can be any of the above, the last is reverb (a rather average 'verb) and delays. Numerous routing options (series, parallel...) Cosmetically and functionally fine. SBF-325 $150 -Stereo analog flanger, large heavy rack mount. mono flange, stereo flange, cross-mix flange and chorus modes, w/ selectable phase inversion per channel. LFO can have it's output inverted for channel B modulation as well. Good info on www.modezero.com. Cosmetically only good, shows age (rack scratches) but looks fine in rack, functionally fine. Electrix Repeater $450 -4 track looper, brand new unused w/ warranty, boxes, manual, card, etc Digitech 2101 Artist w/ 2nd chip and Control One foot controller $400 -Tube pre-amp, numerous fx modules, ability to create your own algorithms. Fx quality ranges from nice (distortion, delays) to average (verbs, flangers) to bleh (wah). Cosmetically and functionally fine. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 17:53:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21196; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C041159.A17C878D@HelpWantedProductions.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:19:05 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Toys for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5GSXDB.A.0FF.zEBB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > SBF-325 $150 -Stereo analog flanger, large heavy rack mount. mono flange, > stereo flange, cross-mix flange and chorus modes, w/ selectable phase > inversion per channel. LFO can have it's output inverted for channel B > modulation as well. Good info on www.modezero.com. Cosmetically only good, > shows age (rack scratches) but looks fine in rack, functionally fine. I'll take this ASAP. PLEASE call me or send me your # David Talento 215 928-1100 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 19:44:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28599; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:10:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:10:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c1779f$97934100$bc0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: Correction to EMUSC Playlist #244 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:58:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] Sorry for the inconvenience. The Headshock track titles from EMUSIC #244 should have been: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Headshock Phone Home Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Darkness Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Slow Bong Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Be Minor Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Fur Dean Sir Hampshire Jam Concert (none) Headshock Raucous Poke Us Hampshire Jam Concert (none) The playlist at http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2001/011122.html has been ammended. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 19:50:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29388; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:26:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:26:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: , References: <200111272120.QAA12486@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:17:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2001 00:17:31.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[125CE650:01C177A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (I repeat, lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again.) > You can have my Outlook when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers, but I send your this attachment in order to have your advice. Ok, enough :> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 20:35:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32420; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Looping Toys for sale Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:07:08 -0600 Message-ID: <01c177b1$623f0ae0$c1a4580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark - the 7.6 please, I am in NYC and can overnight you a money order contacts 212-980-8275 212-780-9413 check refs at ebay pfelix28 all positive, two yrs on and off (mainly on) the LD and in need of another 7.6 cheers, Pedro Felix -----Original Message----- From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: Looping Toys for sale >Greetings Looper's > >Some things you folks may be interested in, if not they'll go to Harmony >Central... > >Digitech RDS 7.6 $100.00 -Grunge-o-matic pitch mangling delays, infinte >hold, voltage control of delay time, etc, Functionally fine, cosmetically >only average, rack scratches and 2 missing "caps" for the knobs. > >SP-808 $600 -Basic SP-808 with upgrade to newer 808EX software, adds >vocoder, formant shifter, numerous guitar fx, and Pad to Track function >(allows routing each 4 pads to a separate tracks, w. slider control of >track volume and fx sends) Cosmetically and functionally fine. > >Korg AM800R $300 -nice fx box w/ numerous delays, rez filters w/ LFO and >Envelope Followers, ring mods, distortions, etc. 3 channels of FX, 2 can be >any of the above, the last is reverb (a rather average 'verb) and delays. >Numerous routing options (series, parallel...) Cosmetically and >functionally fine. > >SBF-325 $150 -Stereo analog flanger, large heavy rack mount. mono flange, >stereo flange, cross-mix flange and chorus modes, w/ selectable phase >inversion per channel. LFO can have it's output inverted for channel B >modulation as well. Good info on www.modezero.com. Cosmetically only good, >shows age (rack scratches) but looks fine in rack, functionally fine. > >Electrix Repeater $450 -4 track looper, brand new unused w/ warranty, >boxes, manual, card, etc > >Digitech 2101 Artist w/ 2nd chip and Control One foot controller $400 -Tube >pre-amp, numerous fx modules, ability to create your own algorithms. Fx >quality ranges from nice (distortion, delays) to average (verbs, flangers) >to bleh (wah). Cosmetically and functionally fine. > >Best- > >Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 21:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03556; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:02:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:02:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c177af$b3a98ce0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <01c177b1$623f0ae0$c1a4580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Digitech 7.6 audio examples? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:55:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am interested in hearing what these do to audio- I hear descriptions of "mangling" and so forth- and I need a replacement for my PDS8000 which colors/damages my signal- any examples anywhere? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 21:43:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04683; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:21:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:21:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:16:34 -0500 From: Greg Waltzer Subject: Re: SV: Midi arpeggiating with Quasimidi Quasar - advice needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3C044902.6AD0FD7B@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3158-3C03D75E-6622@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one. Here's my review: http://www.crosswinds.net/~zzero/egw/equipment/map1.htm William Mcallister wrote: > Has anyone on this list tried the Map 1 arpeggiator. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 27 22:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08362; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:03:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:03:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <046401c17786$20a21260$21197ad5@oemcomputer> References: <000301c17605$b5d47bc0$a9857ad5@oemcomputer> <046401c17786$20a21260$21197ad5@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:59:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: self promotion? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >> So you want to know what I thought: >> It sounds similar to the loops I made on the Roland 3000 in '85, just >> that from the start, I had a volume pedal in the FeedBack insert, so >> I had a way to fade out of the story and grow into the next... and it >> rather sounds like the ones I trashed because I thought it was curing >> to do it but less for someone to listen to... but I may be wrong! > >and which track was that? "Jeremy..." (by the way: its easy to find a soft that allows you to fill the mp3 tags with your info, a really nice feature!) >just curious as I like to post all comments made on the site there for all >to read oh, wait, that text of mine is not smart enough! > > >> keep looping! >> Matthias > > -- -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 01:57:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24012; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:34:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:34:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:27:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200111280627.BAA08028@www21.ureach.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Raphael Reply-to: Subject: re: ALESIS AIR FX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e Resent-Message-ID: <2HUjpD.A.XzF.ZPIB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<<>>> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" Thanks for the tip, Michael.........the unit looks really cool and I know what you mean about the visuals. I just bought myself a Yamaha WX5 wind synth for precisely that reason: people are for more fascinated to see you controlling sample/synth sounds with it than if you trigger it with keyboards (not to mention that is has more midi continuous control than keyboards do with embochoure (sp?), tongueing, breath and bending/slurring keys). <<<>>> Excuse me for butting in here, but do you mean to tell me that you can use this thing as a sort of breath controller for, say, a flute sound? And if so, which are you referring to - the Air FX, or the Yamaha WX5 (I've nver heard of the WX5)? I just thought that the Air FX was a sort of modern day Theramin, but I haven't really looked into it very closely. <<<>>> I have to admit, that I'm put off by the DJ oriented (and sub-professional) RCA connectors <<<>>> Is RCA the only I/O provided? If not, what other connections does it have? Thanks in advance for your input. Blessed be, :-)Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 02:37:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26932; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:10:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: FS- Korg DL8000R Delay Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:04:26 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling this unit in great condition- offering it to the list before I put it up on E-Bay. This is a multitap delay with extensive midi contollability- I have the full midi implementation docs avail upon request. There is a link below to a SOS review of the unit when it first came out- and pics on the Harmony Central link- there is also a review by a list member on HC as well. And finally I find it has it's own page right here on the LD website! $300 - unit is in Los Angeles- Thanks- Cliff http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/SNAMM97/Korg/DL8000R-AM8000R.html http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jan98/articles/korgdl8000.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 04:06:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31852; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:37:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:37:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:30:45 -0800 Subject: Re: WWOT, and no loop content. (Repetitive though) was Re: SERIOUS VIRUS WARNING FOR YOU PERSONALLY!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <381788E2-E3DA-11D5-989D-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >> Lose Outlook and you'll never get a virus again. >> (Lose Windows and you'll be a happier person but >> that's a big wrench for most people.) >> > > So what do you use? Wait, what choice do we have? Do you mean... a MAC? > But, > what if I'm not ready for that? I'm not sure if I'm man enough to be > part of > the Saturn driving crew. I did eat some quiche for breakfast, though... > That's right Jon. Perhaps you're still not ready. Not everyone is made for such an advanced OS. Remember the Prime Directive on Star Trek? It's something like that. >> very little interest in making them secure) I have >> never gotten a virus. >> > > What??? I've NEVER heard that before!! Wow!! Why is it that no-one macs > virus for the mac? Could it be that macs are inherently superior in > every > way? What about their users? Do they never get a cold, either? Are they > also > inherently superior members of a master race? Do you think we know > something > they don't? We mean no harm. If we wanted to kill you, you'd already be dead. We're only here to study you. > >> The fix is in with the media and they never tell >> you this fact... > > Naturally, it's part of the grand plot to stomp down macs and their > users. > All run by Bill, and the Taliban, of course. I hear that he sleeps with > the > devil. Or perhaps Steve Jobs. > Actually, it was an anamatronic Ethel Merman. Weird, eh? Marklar of Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 05:00:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02861; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:36:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:36:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: not8ohm@iinet.net.au Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:27:39 +0800 Message-Id: <200111280927.RAA01400@webmail2.iinet.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: webmail2.iinet.net.au: web set sender to not8ohm@iinet.net.au using -f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: not8ohm@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Looping Toys for sale X-Mailer: iiNet WebMail v2 Resent-Message-ID: <5k32bD.A.tp.U6KB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Electrix Repeater $450 -4 track looper, brand new unused w/ warranty, > boxes, manual, card, etc this one gone yet? let me know please as I will take it if it is still available thanks Michael Noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 06:06:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06823; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:44:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Powerspot" , "Loopers Delight" Subject: New King Crimson book Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:40:20 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just got my copy of Sid Smith's book about King Crimson. Wow! It looks great, and it contains the whole story with all background information based on tons of archive material and interviews with all of the members the band had since the beginning. Also, regular readers of Sid's online diary at DGM know that he is a great writer. If you're interested in KC, this book is a must-have. Check http://www.inthecourtofkingcrimson.com/ = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 11:12:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26284; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:44:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:44:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:36:13 EST Subject: Re: ALESIS AIR FX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d4.fade49c.29365e6d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d4.fade49c.29365e6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/28/01 1:30:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, mercury@ureach.com writes: > Is RCA the only I/O provided? yep.....aint no big thang imho.....also, its very sensative to the volume of the incoming signal, it needs to be pretty hot i think.....im having a ton-o-fun with mine.....:)m --part1_d4.fade49c.29365e6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/28/01 1:30:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, mercury@ureach.com writes:


Is RCA the only I/O provided?  


yep.....aint no big thang imho.....also, its very sensative to the volume of the incoming signal, it needs to be pretty hot i think.....im having a ton-o-fun with mine.....:)m --part1_d4.fade49c.29365e6d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 11:39:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30083; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:16:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011127163848.00e3ec30@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:38:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: [OT} re: MS OUTLOOK In-Reply-To: References: <013201c17771$b8cae900$2f362c42@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when I receive into Eudora messages created in Outlook much of the message is truncated in the REPLY window, seemingly randomly. Does anyone know why? I don't want to use Outlook as a solution. tnx, harveyS At 03:58 PM 11/27/01 -0500, you wrote: >By the bye, if you really don't feel like sharing your whole email address >book with the planet, the "BCC:" field can be your friend. > > >(And as we say on NAN-AE, "Friends don't let friends use Microsoft Outlook.) >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 12:20:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32645; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c1782b$2c956680$be00a8c0@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Eric Williamson" From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Digitech 7.6 audio examples? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:38:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am interested in hearing what these do to audio- I hear descriptions of >"mangling" and so forth- and I need a replacement for my PDS8000 which >colors/damages my signal- any examples anywhere? on my site ... on the music page (not the "albums" page): "Summertime" "Nice Girls Don't Have Toungue Rings" "Visiting Mr Greene" "Round One" all these tracks feature ambient loops (DOH!! excuse me ... "Frippertronic Impersonation Loops" ... i wouldn't want to mangle the good sensibilities of the looper list here) which i made on an RDS 7.6 with the delay and feedback bias all tweaked the hell out on the board. as in, i opened it up and adjusted the delay and feedback trimpots so i could get 34 _really_ shitty seconds of delay with full feedback outta this thing, as opposed to 7.6 seconds of shitty delay. a cool thing about this delay is that when you re-adjust the delay time bias like this, the nyquihst filter does _not_ shift accordingly .. so you get some _great_ aliasing. I am probably going to get another one of these when i build my modular synthesizer ... it's got _mucho_ connections for CV/trigger signals. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 12:32:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02469; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:06:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:06:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:57:41 -0400 Subject: OT: digitech pedal From: Paul Sullivan To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, a while ago, there was some discussion of a Digitech pedal that combined most of the patches of the various whammy pedals, but had adjustable parameters. Does anyone remember the model #, and which patches (from which whammys) it includes? Email me off list if it seems too OT. Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 13:08:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04298; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:36:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:36:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: digitech pedal Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:28:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2001 17:28:58.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[2974C160:01C17832] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech 2120 Rackmount. You can get a pedal for it, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sullivan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: OT: digitech pedal > Hello, > > a while ago, there was some discussion of a Digitech pedal that combined > most of the patches of the various whammy pedals, but had adjustable > parameters. Does anyone remember the model #, and which patches (from which > whammys) it includes? Email me off list if it seems too OT. > > Thanks, > > Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 13:25:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05422; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:51:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:51:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:52:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Looping Toys for sale Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks- The Repeater, RDS 7.6 and SBF-325 are sold, the AM800R and 2101 are being "nibbled upon", and the SP-808 has had it's sense of self-worth severely challenged... Thanks for all your speedy responses. Best- Mark > >Greetings Looper's > >Some things you folks may be interested in, if not they'll go to Harmony >Central... > >Digitech RDS 7.6 $100.00 -Grunge-o-matic pitch mangling delays, infinte >hold, voltage control of delay time, etc, Functionally fine, cosmetically >only average, rack scratches and 2 missing "caps" for the knobs. > >SP-808 $600 -Basic SP-808 with upgrade to newer 808EX software, adds >vocoder, formant shifter, numerous guitar fx, and Pad to Track function >(allows routing each 4 pads to a separate tracks, w. slider control of >track volume and fx sends) Cosmetically and functionally fine. > >Korg AM800R $300 -nice fx box w/ numerous delays, rez filters w/ LFO and >Envelope Followers, ring mods, distortions, etc. 3 channels of FX, 2 can be >any of the above, the last is reverb (a rather average 'verb) and delays. >Numerous routing options (series, parallel...) Cosmetically and >functionally fine. > >SBF-325 $150 -Stereo analog flanger, large heavy rack mount. mono flange, >stereo flange, cross-mix flange and chorus modes, w/ selectable phase >inversion per channel. LFO can have it's output inverted for channel B >modulation as well. Good info on www.modezero.com. Cosmetically only good, >shows age (rack scratches) but looks fine in rack, functionally fine. > >Electrix Repeater $450 -4 track looper, brand new unused w/ warranty, >boxes, manual, card, etc > >Digitech 2101 Artist w/ 2nd chip and Control One foot controller $400 -Tube >pre-amp, numerous fx modules, ability to create your own algorithms. Fx >quality ranges from nice (distortion, delays) to average (verbs, flangers) >to bleh (wah). Cosmetically and functionally fine. > >Best- > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 17:16:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24737; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:44:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:44:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013d01c17854$d0580560$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Virus from list members Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:36:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013A_01C17811.C140A160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <0FDhCB.A.J6F.WkVB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C17811.C140A160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have recieved a virus from 2 different list members- Luigi and Phil = Beazley- please be aware and use anti virus on your emails- Thanks-=20 Cliff PS- I sent this to the list bc my replies to Luigi were returned. ------=_NextPart_000_013A_01C17811.C140A160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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PS- I sent this to the list bc my replies to Luigi = were=20 returned.
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I had noticed the same thing happening when receiving into Eudora messages from (some but not all) AOL 6.0+ users! Maybe they're using Outlook? -t- At 04:38 PM 11/27/01 -0800, you wrote: >when I receive into Eudora messages created in Outlook much of the message >is truncated in the REPLY window, seemingly randomly. Does anyone know why? >I don't want to use Outlook as a solution. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 28 21:11:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09245; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:42:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C05921A.1015@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:42:09 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig- some looping References: <013201c17771$b8cae900$2f362c42@hppav> <3.0.5.32.20011128190929.008039b0@pop.metrocast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thursday the 28th at Cell Space in San Francisco I will be playing w/"the new" Land of the Blind http://www.landofthe blind.com Cyoackha Grace-vocals,harmonium,percussion,looping Roland Robles(Psuedo Buddha,Azigza)Hand and foot percussion. Krystov(land of the blind)Sitar,Digjeredoo,keyboards myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping The evening is the premere of "TREESIT" an eco-activist film featuring Julia Butterfly and others.The music of Land of the Blind is used throughout the film.We will begin playing about 9.30 when the movie is over. 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I don't have an effects loop so,
after the guitar and floor effects,
OK, laugh when ready, could i go = through
a passive DI box to lower the signal.? =
Before the amp!
Keep laughing
or would it lower it to much?
Is that close to line level?
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C17940.E795B320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 00:58:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26644; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:25:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Newbie repeater help Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-787036979 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003901c17983$f6cea8e0$02000003@mpx.com.au> Message-Id: <7D768773-E489-11D5-AD47-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: <66Lr5B.A.RcG.pbcB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-787036979 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Those who seek knowledge, will become knowledgeable. (from the electrix website) My Repeater seems really noisy. Why? For those of you who are experiencing excessive noise using Repeater in=20= a guitar amp FX loop or when connecting Repeater to a guitar amp input,=20= here's a brief explanation and fix: Repeater is a unity gain device for _line level_ devices and it has good=20= signal-to-noise specs when used with similar devices. Guitar amp FX=20 loops are not always at line level. This causes considerable noise and=20= unwanted high gain when connected to the FX loop. It's kind of like=20 trying to connect the headphone output of your tape deck to feed the=20 phono input of a stereo amp. No matter how you set the knobs, noise=20 occurs. You've tried turning down Repeater's track levels but this only=20= reduces the audio program level, not the noise. Here's the fix: Repeater's output needs to be attenuated to match the=20 signal level expected by your amp's FX loop or instrument input. See the=20= attached schematic diagram that shows how you or your solderin' buddy=20 can build an attenuator cable that will do the trick. We've tested this=20= on a Fender "Blackface" Deluxe (guitar to Repeater's instrument input=20 and the output to the Fender's instrument input) and a Peavey Delta=20 Blues (in the FX loop) and it works. Our Johnson Marquis amp had no=20 problem because it's FX loop returns through the Master volume knob=20 which does the attenuation for you. You can also insert an analog volume control between Repeaters output=20 and the FX Return of your Amp. You can use a small mixer or volume pedal=20= to do this. Keep Repeaters track levels at full volume and optimize=20 Repeaters input so the clip LED turns yellow at the loudest notes. Then=20= use the analog level to attenuate the output of Repeater to create the=20= proper balance with your amp's input. here's the link: http://www.electrixpro.com/support/faq.html the answers to all your questions... 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(from the electrix website) = Arial0000,0000,0000= My Repeater seems really noisy. = Why?Ari= al0000,0000,0000<= smaller> For those of you who are experiencing excessive noise using Repeater in a guitar amp FX loop or when connecting Repeater to a guitar amp input, here's a brief explanation and fix: Repeater is a unity gain device for _line level_ devices and it has good signal-to-noise specs when used with similar devices. Guitar amp FX loops are not always at line level. This causes considerable noise and unwanted high gain when connected to the FX loop. It's kind of like trying to connect the headphone output of your tape deck to feed the phono input of a stereo amp. No matter how you set the knobs, noise occurs. You've tried turning down Repeater's track levels but this only reduces the audio program level, not the noise. Here's the fix: Repeater's output needs to be attenuated to match the signal level expected by your amp's FX loop or instrument input. See the attached schematic diagram that shows how you or your solderin' buddy can build an attenuator cable that will do the trick. We've tested this on a Fender "Blackface" Deluxe (guitar to Repeater's instrument input and the output to the Fender's instrument input) and a Peavey Delta Blues (in the FX loop) and it works. Our Johnson Marquis amp had no problem because it's FX loop returns through the Master volume knob which does the attenuation for you. You can also insert an analog volume control between Repeaters output and the FX Return of your Amp. You can use a small mixer or volume pedal to do this. Keep Repeaters track levels at full volume and optimize Repeaters input so the clip LED turns yellow at the loudest notes. Then use the analog level to attenuate the output of Repeater to create the proper balance with your amp's input. here's the link: http://www.electrixpro.com/support/faq.html the answers to all your questions... 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So, is better that, for a few time, no = one will=20 post messages whit a similar type of subject ...
 
Best Regards,  Max = Power
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C178AC.DF9CFC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 03:40:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03912; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:12:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:12:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #698 Reply-To: A.Willers@t-online.de In-Reply-To: <200111290558.AAA27728@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200111290558.AAA27728@hemlock.violacea.com> From: A.Willers@t-online.de (A.Willers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:04:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-es Message-ID: <169MAt-22XnQOC@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I don't have an effects loop so, > after the guitar and floor effects, > OK, laugh when ready, could i go through > a passive DI box to lower the signal.?=20 > Before the amp! > Keep laughing > or would it lower it to much? > Is that close to line level? > ha ha hah ahahahahha = Well, I do not use effect loops either any more in my amps. I went through quite a lot of different 50's and 60's combos and it was just too much hassle to have effect loops installed everywhere. I just tried to plug from guitar, stompbox (1 overdrive, 1 Delay) to a modified tc multieffect which has a handy master volume pot. The stereo out goes through a EDP into one amp on one side, directly on the other (so there is room for one more looper here!). In fact even long reverb times and wild effects do not sound watered down in this setup....sort of to my surprise. So just experiment. andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 06:00:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13557; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:36:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:36:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:28:58 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Gig-_some_looping?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?italoop@libero.it?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.5 X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 213.45.76.240 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA13140 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott I wish I could be in San Francisco to enjoy your gig!!! Maybe I'll be there around Xmas time. Have a great gig and tons of looping, man! best regards Italo De Angelis > Thursday the 28th at Cell Space in San Francisco > I will be playing w/"the new" Land of the > Blind > http://www.landofthe blind.com > > Cyoackha Grace-vocals,harmonium,percussion,looping > Roland Robles(Psuedo Buddha,Azigza)Hand and foot percussion. > Krystov(land of the blind)Sitar,Digjeredoo,keyboards > myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping > > The evening is the premere of "TREESIT" an eco- activist film featuring > Julia Butterfly and others.The music of Land of the Blind is used > throughout the film.We will begin playing about 9.30 when the movie is > over. > > ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 07:16:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19395; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:54:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:54:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C061FEC.1D7C4261@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:45:48 +0100 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whaf whaf wahf surrender to the Max power virus http://www.us.datafellows.com/virus-info/hoax/ warf Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 10:18:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30985; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:50:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:50:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <106.96df15b.2937a30d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:41:17 EST Subject: Re: Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_106.96df15b.2937a30d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: <2p7-nD.A.4aH.xkkB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_106.96df15b.2937a30d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/01 6:48:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > whaf whaf wahf > i needed that.....lol.....:)m --part1_106.96df15b.2937a30d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/01 6:48:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:


whaf whaf wahf


i needed that.....lol.....:)m --part1_106.96df15b.2937a30d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 11:12:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02344; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:49:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:49:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Hunter" Importance: Normal Subject: Unoffical Repeater User Group To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: Sender: "Michael Hunter" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:44:19 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML235/01/M/IBM(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 11/29/2001 10:41:29 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI (again): Hey Repeater users! There's a user group set up for everyone...if your interested, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users All loopers are invited... ...but Loopers-Delight is still the "be all - end all" user group for ANY looper with ANY equipment... MH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 11:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06216; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:21:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:21:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAogU6wR0GcaHH3WluRvY0BsP5uEwCFDUN2Ff68QU02WVcSHJPFe64iH3M From: BILLYBUDDHA@webtv.net (William Mcallister) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:13:32 -0800 (PST) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RASA in Vegas Message-ID: <7404-3C065EAC-1852@storefull-136.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <-bZVY.A.jYB.O7lB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saw a band called Rasa last night and they were great. They play east Indian devotional music. Two people in the band a girl and a guy. The girl sings and the guy plays cello, sirangi, 5 string bass and other bizzar looking stringed instruments. Looks like a tuning nightmare. But the guy was using a echoplex and looping in every song. Very smooth, great rhythms and very powerfull melodies at large. Has anyone heard of them? Their on tour so if they play near you I highly recommend seeing them. namaste, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 12:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10283; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:00:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Gig- some looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C05921A.1015@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <93EDD540-E4EA-11D5-A4CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, thursday isn't the 28th of this month, or next month. FYI. Has this passed, or is it today? Mark On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 05:42 PM, scott kungha drengsen wrote: > Thursday the 28th at Cell Space in San Francisco > I will be playing w/"the new" Land of the > Blind > http://www.landofthe blind.com > > Cyoackha Grace-vocals,harmonium,percussion,looping > Roland Robles(Psuedo Buddha,Azigza)Hand and foot percussion. > Krystov(land of the blind)Sitar,Digjeredoo,keyboards > myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping > > The evening is the premere of "TREESIT" an eco-activist film featuring > Julia Butterfly and others.The music of Land of the Blind is used > throughout the film.We will begin playing about 9.30 when the movie is > over. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 12:53:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10768; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:20:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:20:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804778@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig- some looping Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:12:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C178F8.FAEAD100" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C178F8.FAEAD100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping ** okay scott . . . gotta ask. 12-string fretless? double courses x 6 string???? wanna see pics. who made it? you are a wild man. i say this with all respect!!!!! stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C178F8.FAEAD100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Gig- some looping

myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping


** okay scott . . . gotta ask. 12-string fretless? double courses x 6 string???? wanna see pics. who made it?

you are a wild man.


i say this with all respect!!!!!



stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C178F8.FAEAD100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 14:47:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20190; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:20:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:20:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c17909$600cc240$47961b97@s5v2x4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <013d01c17854$d0580560$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: R: Virus from list members Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:09:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C17911.B83A06A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C17911.B83A06A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excuse me for the virus. I had just received it from another list = member, and it just jumped back to a casual name in the list during the = same mail download. Dunno how it works, as my antivirus program blocked = it before it did install on my computer. Strange... My antivirus warned that something was trying to install and = it stopped it, and I didn't send a sole e-mail yesterday...:-( I hope this won't happen again. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: OT: Virus from list members I have recieved a virus from 2 different list members- Luigi and Phil = Beazley- please be aware and use anti virus on your emails- Thanks-=20 =20 Cliff =20 PS- I sent this to the list bc my replies to Luigi were returned. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C17911.B83A06A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excuse me for the virus. I had just = received it=20 from another list member, and it just jumped back to a casual name in = the=20 list during the same mail download. Dunno how it works, as my = antivirus=20 program blocked it before it did install on my computer.
Strange... My antivirus warned that = something was=20 trying to install and it stopped it, and I didn't send a sole e-mail=20 yesterday...:-(
I hope this won't happen = again.
 
Peace
Luigi
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clifford@BienAppraisers
To: Loopers Delight
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, = 2001 10:36=20 PM
Subject: OT: Virus from list=20 members

I have recieved a virus from 2 different list = members- Luigi=20 and Phil Beazley- please be aware and use anti virus on your emails- = Thanks-=20
 
Cliff
 
PS- I sent this to the list bc my replies to Luigi = were=20 returned.
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C17911.B83A06A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 14:48:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20283; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:21:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:21:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:24:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: More Stuff FS! Resent-Message-ID: <3k9hqD.A.v3E.bloB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang- Though none of these are loopers or processors, I thought some of you might be interested- Old toys must go to buy new toys! Jupiter 6 $675 -Cosmetically fine, functionally fine save portamento doesn't function (glissando does). Midi in & out version. Korg Z1EX $800 -Fully expanded, w/ memory card (more programs & arpeggios), manual, etc. Analog modeling and numerous other processes (comb osc., VPM osc., resonance Osc., ring mod,, sync and cross mod oscs., E piano, organ, brass, reed, plucked and bowed string models). Nice modulation and LFO capabilities. Akai MPC 2000 $800 -32 megs, cosmetically and functionally fine. Buyer pays shipping, preference for local buyers (SF bay area) for the J6 and Z1 so I don't have to deal w/ shipping! The SP-808 is still moping around as well- best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 14:55:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20193; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:20:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:20:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c17909$5e05f5c0$47961b97@s5v2x4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <013d01c17854$d0580560$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: R: Virus from list members Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:09:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C17911.B22293E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C17911.B22293E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excuse me for the virus. I had just received it from another list = member, and it just jumped back to a casual name in the list during the = same mail download. Dunno how it works, as my antivirus program blocked = it before it did install on my computer. Strange... My antivirus warned that something was trying to install and = it stopped it, and I didn't send a sole e-mail yesterday...:-( I hope this won't happen again. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clifford@BienAppraisers=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: OT: Virus from list members I have recieved a virus from 2 different list members- Luigi and Phil = Beazley- please be aware and use anti virus on your emails- Thanks-=20 =20 Cliff =20 PS- I sent this to the list bc my replies to Luigi were returned. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C17911.B22293E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excuse me for the virus. I had just = received it=20 from another list member, and it just jumped back to a casual name in = the=20 list during the same mail download. Dunno how it works, as my = antivirus=20 program blocked it before it did install on my computer.
Strange... My antivirus warned that = something was=20 trying to install and it stopped it, and I didn't send a sole e-mail=20 yesterday...:-(
I hope this won't happen = again.
 
Peace
Luigi
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clifford@BienAppraisers
To: Loopers Delight
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, = 2001 10:36=20 PM
Subject: OT: Virus from list=20 members

I have recieved a virus from 2 different list = members- Luigi=20 and Phil Beazley- please be aware and use anti virus on your emails- = Thanks-=20
 
Cliff
 
PS- I sent this to the list bc my replies to Luigi = were=20 returned.
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C17911.B22293E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 15:11:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21523; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:36:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:36:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c1790b$e4358b40$47961b97@s5v2x4> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: O.T. Iranian Music Theory books Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:27:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C17914.44FE2E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <30xifB.A.lHF.iyoB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C17914.44FE2E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. I've come in contact with an iranian cultural association, and = the president of this association asked me to compose some music (a = crossover between Occidental music and Iranian (persian) folk songs) for = a cd for the association, and now I'm looking to find some texts (I = already have some Iranian devotional and classical music cds, mostly = Santoor players or rythms,but also some violin music and other) = regarding the theory and the development of this music. Can anyone here = point me in the right direction? I've found many things about musical = instruments. but very little about music theory, so... Thanks in advance for the help Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C17914.44FE2E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all. I've come in contact with an = iranian=20 cultural association, and the president of this association asked me=20 to compose some music (a crossover between Occidental music and = Iranian=20 (persian) folk songs) for a cd for the association, and now I'm looking = to find=20 some texts (I already have some Iranian devotional and classical music = cds,=20 mostly Santoor players or rythms,but also some violin music and other) = regarding=20 the theory and the development of this music. Can anyone here point me = in the=20 right direction? I've found many things about musical instruments. but = very=20 little about music theory, so...
 
Thanks in advance for the = help
 
Peace
Luigi
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C17914.44FE2E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 15:14:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22112; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:47:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:47:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Fw: Robert Rich Concert, December 9 in San Francisco, CA Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:38:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2001 19:38:33.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E0D84C0:01C1790D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone going to this? I'll be there (though I may not be sober enough to interface correctly.) Let me know, and wear your t-shirt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Rich" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:24 AM Subject: Robert Rich Concert, December 9 in San Francisco, CA > > > Sunday Dec.9.01 > dub beautiful collective proudly presents > > -- Alien Zoology -- > with Robert Rich > > a special performance from the west-coast ambient master in Morrison > Planetarium at the California Academy of Sciences within Golden Gate Park. > a live star-show will accompany the music performance. This is Rich's only > US concert date this year. > > > door tickets on sale at 7.30pm > doors open at 8pm > show starts promptly at 8.30pm > > presale tickets $12 + $1 service charge available through > http://www.dub-beautiful.org > door admission $15 > this is an ALL AGES show > > Alien Zoology will be a unique performance where Robert Rich releases his > musical organisms into the wild underneath the canopy of stars. > > full information at http://www.dub-beautiful.org/alien_zoology.html > > Morrison Planetarium > California Academy of Sciences > 55 Concourse Drive > Golden Gate Park > San Francisco, CA USA 94118 > > dub beautiful collective - http://www.dub-beautiful.org > robert rich - http://www.amoeba.com > morrison planetarium - http://ww.calacademy.org/planetarium > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 15:54:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26535; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:30:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:30:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:23:12 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Gig- some looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003901c17913$ab61fdf0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C178E1.607D8CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804778@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_VnVlB.A.7XG.XlpB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C178E1.607D8CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig- some loopingi have seen 12 string basses with 4 triple string = sets... i think they were 3 octaves, but maybe just doubled upper octave. very thick, big sound. didn't get to try it myself, though... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Gig- some looping myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping=20 ** okay scott . . . gotta ask. 12-string fretless? double courses x 6 = string???? wanna see pics. who made it?=20 you are a wild man.=20 i say this with all respect!!!!!=20 stig=20 Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended = only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader = of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent = responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any = dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly = prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, = disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur = while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you = have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by = return e-mail. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C178E1.607D8CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig- some looping
i have seen 12 string basses with 4 = triple string=20 sets...
i think they were 3 octaves, but maybe = just doubled=20 upper octave.
very thick, big sound.
didn't get to try it myself, = though...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, November 29, = 2001 11:12=20 AM
Subject: RE: Gig- some = looping


myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric=20 cello,looping


** okay scott . . . gotta ask. 12-string fretless? = double=20 courses x 6 string???? wanna see pics. who made it?

you are a wild man.


i say this with all respect!!!!!



stig



Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information = intended only=20 for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of = this=20 e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent = responsible for=20 delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, = publication or=20 copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not = accept any=20 responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or = computer=20 system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted = with, this=20 e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately = notify=20 us by return e-mail. Thank=20 you.
 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C178E1.607D8CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27929; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:55:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:55:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c17917$26131cc0$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804778@mitorexch01.maritz.com> <003901c17913$ab61fdf0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Gig- some looping Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:48:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17917.25A9AC90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17917.25A9AC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig- some loopingAll the 12 string basses I've seen were doubled = upper octaves. That is one piece of gear I must own someday. The sound = is positively massive. Best exponents I've heard of the instrument are = Doug from King's X, Tom from Cheap Trick and the guy from Big Wreck (the = tone on "That Song" is awesome). I believe Hamer 12 string basses are = the most common I've seen around. =20 Maybe I should invest in one and start a band with me on 12 string bass, = drummer with a double-kick setup and a guitar player with a 6/12 string = Jimmy Page doubleneck. Not to be excessive or anything... Simon Kean -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jim palmer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: Re: Gig- some looping i have seen 12 string basses with 4 triple string sets... i think they were 3 octaves, but maybe just doubled upper octave. very thick, big sound. didn't get to try it myself, though... ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17917.25A9AC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig- some looping
All the 12 string basses I've seen were = doubled=20 upper octaves. That is one piece of gear I must own someday. The sound = is=20 positively massive. Best exponents I've heard of the instrument are Doug = from=20 King's X, Tom from Cheap Trick and the guy from Big Wreck (the tone on = "That=20 Song" is awesome). I believe Hamer 12 string basses are the most common = I've=20 seen around. 
 
Maybe I should invest in one and start = a band with=20 me on 12 string bass, drummer with a double-kick setup and a guitar = player with=20 a 6/12 string Jimmy Page doubleneck. Not to be excessive or=20 anything...
 
 
Simon=20 Kean
-----------------------------------------------------------------= ----------
Shallow=20 End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimm= ing
Ulcerate=20 (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jim = palmer
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 29, = 2001 8:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: Gig- some = looping

i have seen 12 string basses with 4 = triple string=20 sets...
i think they were 3 octaves, but = maybe just=20 doubled upper octave.
very thick, big sound.
didn't get to try it myself,=20 though...
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17917.25A9AC90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29496; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:03:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:03:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C06A2C1.47CA@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:04:02 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig- some looping References: <93EDD540-E4EA-11D5-A4CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > Uh, thursday isn't the 28th of this month, or next month. FYI. Has > this passed, or is it today? OOPS!! You're right Mark.Thank You. The Event is tonight. > On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 05:42 PM, scott kungha drengsen > wrote: > > > Thursday the 28th at Cell Space in San Francisco > > I will be playing w/"the new" Land of the > > Blind > > http://www.landofthe blind.com > > > > Cyoackha Grace-vocals,harmonium,percussion,looping > > Roland Robles(Psuedo Buddha,Azigza)Hand and foot percussion. > > Krystov(land of the blind)Sitar,Digjeredoo,keyboards > > myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping > > > > The evening is the premere of "TREESIT" an eco-activist film featuring > > Julia Butterfly and others.The music of Land of the Blind is used > > throughout the film.We will begin playing about 9.30 when the movie is > > over. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:38:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30023; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804781@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig- some looping Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:03:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17919.56E44BB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17919.56E44BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" **yeah, but i bet scott has one of 2x6. i'm getting a 2x6 made for me, but not fretless (scott's the MAN!) - - not brave enough. i just wanted to know who made it for him. stig -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig- some looping i have seen 12 string basses with 4 triple string sets... i think they were 3 octaves, but maybe just doubled upper octave. very thick, big sound. didn't get to try it myself, though... ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Gig- some looping myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping ** okay scott . . . gotta ask. 12-string fretless? double courses x 6 string???? wanna see pics. who made it? you are a wild man. i say this with all respect!!!!! stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. 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**yeah, but i bet scott has one of 2x6. i'm getting a 2x6 made for me, but not fretless (scott's the MAN!) - - not brave enough.
 
i just wanted to know who made it for him.
 
 
stig
-----Original Message-----
From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Gig- some looping

i have seen 12 string basses with 4 triple string sets...
i think they were 3 octaves, but maybe just doubled upper octave.
very thick, big sound.
didn't get to try it myself, though...
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: Gig- some looping


myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping


** okay scott . . . gotta ask. 12-string fretless? double courses x 6 string???? wanna see pics. who made it?

you are a wild man.


i say this with all respect!!!!!



stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17919.56E44BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:44:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30259; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:19:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:19:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <93EDD540-E4EA-11D5-A4CD-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3C06A2C1.47CA@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Gig- some looping Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:11:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2001 21:11:07.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C947BB0:01C1791A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great! I can't wait! Oh bugger... So, how was it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott kungha drengsen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Gig- some looping > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Uh, thursday isn't the 28th of this month, or next month. FYI. Has > > this passed, or is it today? > OOPS!! You're right Mark.Thank You. The Event is tonight. > > On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 05:42 PM, scott kungha drengsen > > wrote: > > > > > Thursday the 28th at Cell Space in San Francisco > > > I will be playing w/"the new" Land of the > > > Blind > > > http://www.landofthe blind.com > > > > > > Cyoackha Grace-vocals,harmonium,percussion,looping > > > Roland Robles(Psuedo Buddha,Azigza)Hand and foot percussion. > > > Krystov(land of the blind)Sitar,Digjeredoo,keyboards > > > myself-6 and 12 string fretless basses,electric cello,looping > > > > > > The evening is the premere of "TREESIT" an eco-activist film featuring > > > Julia Butterfly and others.The music of Land of the Blind is used > > > throughout the film.We will begin playing about 9.30 when the movie is > > > over. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 16:52:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30759; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:29:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:29:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C06A8C9.53AD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:29:46 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig- some looping-12 string bass References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804778@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9oa2ZC.A.ybH.qcqB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Steuart, It's 2 courses of octave strings.except for the high C which is doubled.(an octave would break)Wish I had some pics.(I think someone took some and posted them from the 1st Solo bass looping thing).It was built by Mark Garza http://www.garzguitars.com who has made all my basses and at least has pictures of a 9 string he built.Bobdog and Steve Lawson have seen it close up.(Steve-I'm looking for a "fraggle rock" T shirt for tonight:) Thanks for the compliment.I'm looking forward to my next opportunity to see you play. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:14:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31807; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:50:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:50:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c1791e$ea981620$9d924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: O.T. Iranian Music Theory books Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:43:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C178F5.00D711E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C178F5.00D711E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luigi wrote: Hi all. I've come in contact with an iranian cultural association, and = the president of this association asked me to compose some music (a = crossover between Occidental music and Iranian (persian) folk songs) for = a cd for the association, and now I'm looking to find some texts (I = already have some Iranian devotional and classical music cds, mostly = Santoor players or rythms,but also some violin music and other) = regarding the theory and the development of this music. Can anyone here = point me in the right direction? I've found many things about musical = instruments. but very little about music theory, so... Two classic texts on Iranian music: Classical Persian Music by Ella Zonis Mahler, published 1973 by Harvard = University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts. Sorry, I don't have the = Library of Congress catalogue information. This is a very thorough work = on Iranian musical history and gives good examples of the gusheh-ha = (motifs) within each dastgah (primary mode) in western notation. This = was one of the first major works outside Iran regarding the music. = There are some dubious statements throughout (e.g., "all Persian music = is sad," "the dastgah 'Mahur' is the basic scale for all melodies," = etc.) but overall it's a very good work. =20 The Radif of Persian Music - Studies of Structure and Cultural Context = in the Classical Music of Iran by Bruno Nettl, published 1992 by = Elephant & Cat, Champaign, Illinois. Another very systematic = ethnomusicological investigation of Iranian music, somewhat more of an = academic read than Ms. Zonis Mahler's. It too contains many examples of = the Radif (overall musical system) of Iranian music, and gives = particular comparisons between the radif-s established by various = masters. =20 Another work is The Art of Persian Music by Jean During and Zia = Mirabdolbaghi with Dariush Safvat, published 1991 by Mage Publishers, = Washington, D.C. ISBN #0-934211-22-1. http://www.mage.com/ This is a bit less scholarly than the works listed above. In fact, it's = more of a "coffee table" book with excellent illustrations as well as a = very good accompanying CD. I just received a notice from the publisher = that this is currently on sale for US$ 52.00, which is about half of the = original price. Jean During is a French ethnomusicologist who has learned Iranian = classic music and has written widely on the subject. I believe he has = many publications on Iranian music in French, which may be more = available to you in Europe than the books I mentioned (for example, the = Zonis Mahler work is long out of print, and the Nettl work is published = by a very small press - really almost a private release). =20 Good luck with the project! Please contact me if I can be of any = further assistance. James ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C178F5.00D711E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Luigi wrote:
Hi all. I've come in contact with an = iranian=20 cultural association, and the president of this association asked me to = compose=20 some music (a crossover between Occidental music and Iranian (persian) = folk=20 songs) for a cd for the association, and now I'm looking to find some = texts (I=20 already have some Iranian devotional and classical music cds, mostly = Santoor=20 players or rythms,but also some violin music and other) regarding the = theory and=20 the development of this music. Can anyone here point me in the right = direction?=20 I've found many things about musical instruments. but very little about = music=20 theory, so...
 
Two classic texts on Iranian = music:
 
Classical Persian Music by Ella = Zonis=20 Mahler, published 1973 by Harvard University Press, Cambridge,=20 Massachusetts.  Sorry, I don't have the Library of Congress = catalogue=20 information.  This is a very thorough work on Iranian musical = history and=20 gives good examples of the gusheh-ha (motifs) within each dastgah = (primary mode)=20 in western notation.  This was one of the first major works outside = Iran=20 regarding the music.  There are some dubious statements throughout = (e.g.,=20 "all Persian music is sad," "the dastgah 'Mahur' is the = basic=20 scale for all melodies," etc.) but overall it's a very good = work. =20
 
The Radif of Persian Music - Studies = of=20 Structure and Cultural Context in the Classical Music of Iran by = Bruno=20 Nettl, published 1992 by Elephant & Cat, Champaign, Illinois.  = Another=20 very systematic ethnomusicological investigation of Iranian music, = somewhat more=20 of an academic read than Ms. Zonis Mahler's.  It too contains many = examples=20 of the Radif (overall musical system) of Iranian music, and gives = particular=20 comparisons between the radif-s established by various masters. =20
 
Another work is The Art of Persian = Music by=20 Jean During and Zia Mirabdolbaghi with Dariush Safvat, published 1991 by = Mage=20 Publishers, Washington, D.C.  ISBN #0-934211-22-1.  http://www.mage.com/
This is a bit less scholarly than the = works listed=20 above.  In fact, it's more of a "coffee table" book with=20 excellent illustrations as well as a very good accompanying CD.  I = just=20 received a notice from the publisher that this is currently on sale for = US$=20 52.00, which is about half of the original price.
 
Jean During is a French = ethnomusicologist who has=20 learned Iranian classic music and has written widely on the = subject.  I=20 believe he has many publications on Iranian music in French, which may = be more=20 available to you in Europe than the books I mentioned (for example, the = Zonis=20 Mahler work is long out of print, and the Nettl work is published by a = very=20 small press - really almost a private release). 
 
Good luck with the project!  = Please contact me=20 if I can be of any further assistance.
 
James
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C178F5.00D711E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:21:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31869; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:48:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <97HHRB.A.UuH.YyqB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >i must admit, i used an ernie ball for a short while, and dumped it >when the responsiveness was too sluggish for me. yes, it would go >full off, but the ramp up to full volume seemed too concave for >me...too little too late, then full volume. If the value of the potentiometer is higher than the input impedance you connect the pedal to, you get this effect. >maybe just me and my style/rig...i know loads of folks love 'em. > >these pedals would be used with my mixer aux sends. i'll have the >aux sends pots up to unity gain, then use the volume pedals to >control input to jamman and mofx. then these will return to their >own channels on the mixer. there it is, the mixer probably has 20kOhm input and the pedal 100kOhm or more. Most pedals that dont reach 0 can be mechanically adjusted, just loosen the pot a bit and turn it until its all closed. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:54:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03059; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:27:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804783@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig- some looping Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:19:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.F9EBA1F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.F9EBA1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All the 12 string basses I've seen were doubled upper octaves. That is one piece of gear I must own someday. The sound is positively massive. Best exponents I've heard of the instrument are Doug from King's X, Tom from Cheap Trick and the guy from Big Wreck (the tone on "That Song" is awesome). I believe Hamer 12 string basses are the most common I've seen around ** yeah most are like that. the late allen woody had an alembic 18-string bass. 6x3 . . . there are a few people that are making the x2 rather than the x3 versions: warwick has, fodera, warrior. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.F9EBA1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Gig- some looping


All the 12 string basses I've seen were doubled upper octaves. That is one piece of gear I must own someday. The sound is positively massive. Best exponents I've heard of the instrument are Doug from King's X, Tom from Cheap Trick and the guy from Big Wreck (the tone on "That Song" is awesome). I believe Hamer 12 string basses are the most common I've seen around 
 
** yeah most are like that. the late allen woody had an alembic 18-string bass. 6x3 . . . there are a few people that are making the x2 rather than the x3 versions: warwick has, fodera, warrior.
 
stig 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.F9EBA1F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:57:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03284; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:30:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804784@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig- some looping-12 string bass Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:22:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17924.4385CBB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17924.4385CBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" addendum the bass is one the web site under basses. killer looking axe. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17924.4385CBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Gig- some looping-12 string bass

addendum

the bass is one the web site under basses.

killer looking axe.


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17924.4385CBB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 17:57:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02983; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:26:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:26:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804782@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Gig- some looping-12 string bass Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:18:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.B65CB5F0" Resent-Message-ID: <9LPx0B.A.Gn.8RrB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.B65CB5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's 2 courses of octave strings.except for the high C which is doubled.(an octave would break) ** okay, that's what i figured. i think mine is gonna be octaves all the way across. it seems like an .008 could do it, no? theguys who are making mine have done one previously and i think it was octaves straight across - - at least that's what i'm counting on. how's the string/neck tension? Wish I had some pics.(I think someone took some and posted them from the 1st Solo bass looping thing). ** will have to find that! Bobdog and Steve Lawson have seen it close up. ** so all of you guys - - how's the thing sound???? Thanks for the compliment. ** man fretless with that, sheesh. I'm looking forward to my next opportunity to see you play. ** likewise. you getting down to l.a. any time soon? i may get up that way in jan or so, l. stinkbug has a release slated and we seem to think we should do some playing to "promote it" (LOL). stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.B65CB5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig- some looping-12 string bass

 It's 2 courses of octave strings.except for the hig= h C which is
doubled.(an octave would break)

** okay, that's what i figured. i think mine is gonna be = octaves all the way across. it seems like an .008 could do it, no? theguys = who are making mine have done one previously and i think it was octaves str= aight across - - at least that's what i'm counting on. how's the string/nec= k tension?


Wish I had some pics.(I think someone
took some and posted them from the 1st Solo bass looping= thing).

** will have to find that!

Bobdog and Steve
Lawson have seen it close up.

** so all of you guys - - how's the thing sound????

 Thanks for the compliment.

** man fretless with that, sheesh.

I'm looking forward to my next opportunity to
see you play.

** likewise. you getting down to l.a. any time soon? i ma= y get up that way in jan or so, l. stinkbug has a release slated and we see= m to think we should do some playing to "promote it" (LOL).

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17923.B65CB5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 18:15:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03962; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:42:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:42:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:28:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>i must admit, i used an ernie ball for a short while, and dumped it >>when the responsiveness was too sluggish for me. yes, it would go >>full off, but the ramp up to full volume seemed too concave for >>me...too little too late, then full volume. > >If the value of the potentiometer is higher than the input impedance >you connect the pedal to, you get this effect. thanks matthias, for your input. when i said i used the ernie ball before....i used it strictly as a volume pedal for a guitar setup: guitar > volume pedal > stompboxes > amp i do a lot of volume swells into long delay lines for pads and such, and the ernie ball just didn't feel right...a bit bulky and slow to respond...i think it was just me! currently i use a george dennis volume/wah that seems to work nice. i just needed a passive pedal for this mixer setup. i did receive my two Proel PVP 14L units from AMS, and i must say, i think they work just fine. Some of ya complained that it let sound leak through at 0 volume, and i haven't had that problem. guitar > POD > behringer mixer > aux one to proel and into jamman > aux 2 into proel and into mofx. jammie and mofx return to their own channels on the mixer i tested these through headphones and couldn't hear anything leaking. i definitely don't do a lot of high gain stuff...and i'll push it more in the next few days. overall, i'm happy. they are a bit light, as someone mentioned, but i'll probably velcro 'em down to my pedalboard anyway. now what to do with the ernie ball stereo/pan pedal i bought? don't know whether to keep it around for some future use, or go get 120 bucks back in my pocket, or use it as a parking brake for my car. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 19:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08504; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:40:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:40:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C06C39C.1C3917E8@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:24:12 -0800 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Central Coast Looping Festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Everybody- Thanks to all who've shown interest thus far in the Central Coast Looping Festival! Here's a list of everyone who's [tentatively] signed up so far: Rick Walker GLOBAL@cruzio.com Miko Biffle biffoz@pacbell.net Max Valentino ekstasis1@hotmail.com Rich Atkinson rich@nuvisionsca.com Ted Killian KILLINFO@aol.com Steven Rice srice44@yahoo.com Stan Card stanitarium@earthlink.net Jon Wagner jondrums@hotmail.com Bill Walker chillyb@cruzio.com Richard Zvonar zvonar@zvonar.com Tom Heasley TomHeasley@aol.com Hans Lindauer hans@ernieball.com It looks like there's going to be a great bunch of loopers here in San Luis Obispo, and I'm really looking forward to hearing the variety of ways we each use looping to make music. If anyone else wants to get in on the act, please get in contact with me. The festival will be held on March 2nd, 2002. Keep on Looping...Keep on Looping...Keep on Looping... -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 19:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08505; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:40:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:40:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c1792e$0b95aea0$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: proel volume/expression pedals Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:31:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Give it to Cliff for a holiday gift. c Rich imploded: > now what to do with the ernie ball stereo/pan pedal i bought? don't > know whether to keep it around for some future use, or go get 120 > bucks back in my pocket, or use it as a parking brake for my car. > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 19:14:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08673; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c1792e$dadede20$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804783@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Gig- some looping Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:37:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1792E.D91C1F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1792E.D91C1F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig- some looping----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 All the 12 string basses I've seen were doubled upper octaves. That is = one piece of gear I must own someday. The sound is positively massive. = Best exponents I've heard of the instrument are Doug from King's X, Tom = from Cheap Trick and the guy from Big Wreck (the tone on "That Song" is = awesome). I believe Hamer 12 string basses are the most common I've seen = around=20 ** yeah most are like that. the late allen woody had an alembic = 18-string bass. 6x3 . . . there are a few people that are making the x2 = rather than the x3 versions: warwick has, fodera, warrior. 6x3 christ. The neck must be a tree trunk.I know Allen Woody had huge = hands, but there's no hope in hell I could fret a low C on the B string = unless my hand reached over the top of the neck. I've been playing 15 = years but still struggle at times with my 5 string because I have small = hands. Can manage a 4x3 no problem though.=20 Mark Egan used to have that double neck 4/8 string model too. That thing = sounded amazing. Not forgetting Derek Smalls of Spinal Tap - he had the = same! Big bottom...big bottom.... Simon Kean -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1792E.D91C1F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Gig- some looping
----- Original Message -----
From: Liebig,=20 Steuart A.



All the 12 string basses I've = seen were=20 doubled upper octaves. That is one piece of gear I must own someday. = The sound=20 is positively massive. Best exponents I've heard of the instrument are = Doug=20 from King's X, Tom from Cheap Trick and the guy from Big Wreck (the = tone on=20 "That Song" is awesome). I believe Hamer 12 string basses are the most = common=20 I've seen around 
 
** yeah most are like that. the late allen = woody had=20 an alembic 18-string bass. 6x3 . . . there are a = few people that are=20 making the x2 rather than the x3 versions: warwick has, fodera,=20 warrior.
 
6x3 christ. The neck must be a tree = trunk.I know=20 Allen Woody had huge hands, but there's no hope in hell I could fret a = low C on=20 the B string unless my hand reached over the top of the neck. I've been=20 playing 15 years but still struggle at times with my 5 string because I have small hands. Can = manage a=20 4x3 no problem though.
 
Mark Egan used to have that double neck = 4/8 string=20 model too. That thing sounded amazing. Not forgetting Derek Smalls of = Spinal Tap=20 - he had the same!
 
Big bottom...big = bottom....
 
Simon=20 Kean
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Shallow=20 End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimm= ing
Ulcerate=20 (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate =
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C1792E.D91C1F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:07:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13050; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:42:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:42:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20011130003428.48312.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Laketrout To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-d9OlC.A._GD.zQtB8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com saw Laketrout at my local venue last night. they are a live electronica/"organica" band. 2 guitars, drums,bass,keyboards, lots of effects pedals (singing through a microsynth and pitch shifter never loses its fun!)and plenty of looping! if ya dig electronica style beats these guys are well worth checking out. touring around the east coast for the rest of the year. www.laketrout.com -Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 29 20:20:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13946; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:56:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:56:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:46:27 +0000 Subject: Scott's 12 string From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> It's 2 courses of octave strings.except for the high C which is doubled.(an octave would break)Wish I had some pics.(I think someone took some and posted them from the 1st Solo bass looping thing).It was built by Mark Garza http://www.garzguitars.com who has made all my basses and at least has pictures of a 9 string he built.Bobdog and Steve Lawson have seen it close up.(Steve-I'm looking for a "fraggle rock" T shirt for tonight:) Thanks for the compliment.I'm looking forward to my next opportunity to see you play.<<< I have indeed seen said bass up close, and it's an amazing instrument - sounds great, looks great, and is no doubt a monster to play... :o) I'll stick to my (though i say so myself) rather awesome 12 string patch on my MPX-G2 - I have enough technical troubles with 6 strings! :o) ...and I'm sure it would sound even better were you to don the sacred Fraggle Rock t-shirt - I find that my performance improves at least 34% when wearing mine. Fraggle Rock + girly-dress-type-affair means an increase of up to 57%! BTW, Scott, I still want to see pix of your old band with you all busking in drag! Come on, get those photos onto your website! And what's happening with you album-wise? we want to hear more music! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 00:13:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29614; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:43:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:43:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.120.161.157] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Field Recordings event in San Francisco Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:35:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2001 04:35:45.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A48D140:01C17958] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just an early notice: A few friends and I are going to put together a night of music made entirely from field recordings. This is by no means an official announcement - more of an advance heads-up. Here's what we know: Friday, December 14th, 8:00 p.m. at an arts warehouse on Natoma St., between 10th and 11th. Loren Chasse (who presents extremely close-up views of landscapes as well as music with mesmerizing amounts of texture. http://www.23five.org/lchasse/) The Quiet American (Aaron Ximm using minidiscs of recordings he made during 9 months of travel in south to east Asia. See www.quietamerican.org for more details.) Tape Recorder (Matt Davignon using handheld cassette recorders of collected sounds from the San Francisco Bay Area see www.mp3.com/field_recordings for some tracks.) Plus one other artist who's well known for amazing music of this type (hopefully, we're still trying to get a definite answer). Plus: "field recording" video work by Carl Diehl, and perhaps also by additional artists. More info to follow.... Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 02:48:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06735; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:24:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:17:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Central Coast Looping Festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475) Cc: hans@ernieball.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Sottilaro In-Reply-To: <3C06C39C.1C3917E8@ernieball.com> Message-Id: <577AD5CA-E562-11D5-A330-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.475) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I've been holding out for the San Francisco Loop festival, but I guess we all know it's never going to happen. If it's not to late, put me in! Do I smell a loopers roadtrip? Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, November 29, 2001, at 03:24 PM, Hans Lindauer wrote: > Hello Everybody- > > Thanks to all who've shown interest thus far in the Central Coast > Looping Festival! Here's a list of everyone who's [tentatively] signed > up so far: > > Rick Walker GLOBAL@cruzio.com > Miko Biffle biffoz@pacbell.net > Max Valentino ekstasis1@hotmail.com > Rich Atkinson rich@nuvisionsca.com > Ted Killian KILLINFO@aol.com > Steven Rice srice44@yahoo.com > Stan Card stanitarium@earthlink.net > Jon Wagner jondrums@hotmail.com > Bill Walker chillyb@cruzio.com > Richard Zvonar zvonar@zvonar.com > Tom Heasley TomHeasley@aol.com > Hans Lindauer hans@ernieball.com > > It looks like there's going to be a great bunch of loopers here in San > Luis Obispo, and I'm really looking forward to hearing the variety of > ways we each use looping to make music. If anyone else wants to get in > on the act, please get in contact with me. The festival will be held on > March 2nd, 2002. > > Keep on Looping...Keep on Looping...Keep on Looping... > > -Hans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 10:10:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32421; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C073772.8BDA180@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:38:27 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig- some looping References: <013201c17771$b8cae900$2f362c42@hppav> <3.0.5.32.20011128190929.008039b0@pop.metrocast.net> <3C05921A.1015@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey kungha - break a leg, give roland big kisses & i hope you don't haveta sweep up @ the end of the gig. much love! bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 10:22:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00449; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:54:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:54:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C0739D0.73884426@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:48:35 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig- some looping-12 string bass References: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804782@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Bobdog and Steve > Lawson have seen it close up. > > ** so all of you guys - - how's the thing sound???? kungha & i did some low key gigging earlier this summer & i thoroughly dug his playing on all of his basses. the double course strings on the fretless have the most amazing natural chorus, big thick beat frequencies. the neck is huge; i doubt i could get around on it too well as i have little fat roy clark hands. kungha, though, is a giant so he gets around on it just fine. check him out when you can. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 10:30:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02094; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:05:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:05:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c179ae$d64c9ca0$4a0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Gig- some looping Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:53:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Simon Kean >Maybe I should invest in one and start a band with me on 12 string bass, drummer with a double-kick setup and a guitar >player with a 6/12 string Jimmy Page doubleneck. Not to be excessive or anything... I wish you and your back all the best. :-) Regards to your chiropractor, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 10:39:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02919; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:14:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:14:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012201c179b0$665c1400$4a0c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Central Coast Looping Festival Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:05:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <3z1rB.A.pk.kD6B8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- >> Thanks to all who've shown interest thus far in the Central Coast >> Looping Festival! Here's a list of everyone who's [tentatively] signed >> up so far: >> Rick Walker GLOBAL@cruzio.com >> Miko Biffle biffoz@pacbell.net >> Max Valentino ekstasis1@hotmail.com >> Rich Atkinson rich@nuvisionsca.com >> Ted Killian KILLINFO@aol.com >> Steven Rice srice44@yahoo.com >> Stan Card stanitarium@earthlink.net >> Jon Wagner jondrums@hotmail.com >> Bill Walker chillyb@cruzio.com >> Richard Zvonar zvonar@zvonar.com >> Tom Heasley TomHeasley@aol.com >> Hans Lindauer hans@ernieball.com Wow! If all these loopists strung their loopers in series, would they make the Guiness Book of World Records for having the longest loop? :-) Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 10:42:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02996; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:16:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c179b1$02e66370$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <00f301c179ae$d64c9ca0$4a0c5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Gig- some looping Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:09:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" > >Maybe I should invest in one and start a band with me on 12 string bass, > drummer with a double-kick setup and a guitar >player with a 6/12 string Jimmy > Page doubleneck. Not to be excessive or anything... > > I wish you and your back all the best. > :-) > Regards to your chiropractor, Oh god, I already "drop" my left shoulder when I walk as a result of jumping around with P-Basses and assorted 5-strings for the last 15 years or so, let alone upping the ante. Maybe I could get a chiropractic endorsment deal. Simon Kean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 12:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11787; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:29:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:29:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Central Coast Looping Festival Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:21:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2001 17:21:31.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[73F64EB0:01C179C3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OK, I've been holding out for the San Francisco Loop festival, but I >guess we all know it's never going to happen. I wouldn't hold out for it, but don't say "never" just yet. There's lots of time left in the history of man. >put >me in! Do I smell a loopers roadtrip? > yes. Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 13:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14624; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:04:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:04:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <122.8493ef5.2939224f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:56:31 EST Subject: Re: Central Coast Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_122.8493ef5.2939224f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_122.8493ef5.2939224f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just jumped on this thread......where would a central coast loop fest be held? brian In a message dated 11/30/01 10:10:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, billfox@fast.net writes: > > -----Original Message----- > >> Thanks to all who've shown interest thus far in the Central Coast > >> Looping Festival! Here's a list of everyone who's [tentatively] signed > >> up so far: > >> Rick Walker GLOBAL@cruzio.com > >> Miko Biffle biffoz@pacbell.net > >> Max Valentino ekstasis1@hotmail.com > >> Rich Atkinson rich@nuvisionsca.com > >> Ted Killian KILLINFO@aol.com > >> Steven Rice srice44@yahoo.com > >> Stan Card stanitarium@earthlink.net > >> Jon Wagner jondrums@hotmail.com > >> Bill Walker chillyb@cruzio.com > >> Richard Zvonar zvonar@zvonar.com > >> Tom Heasley TomHeasley@aol.com > >> Hans Lindauer hans@ernieball.com > > --part1_122.8493ef5.2939224f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i just jumped on this thread......where would a central coast loop fest be held?
brian

In a message dated 11/30/01 10:10:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, billfox@fast.net writes:



-----Original Message-----
>> Thanks to all who've shown interest thus far in the Central Coast
>> Looping Festival!  Here's a list of everyone who's [tentatively] signed
>> up so far:
>> Rick Walker     GLOBAL@cruzio.com
>> Miko Biffle     biffoz@pacbell.net
>> Max Valentino   ekstasis1@hotmail.com
>> Rich Atkinson   rich@nuvisionsca.com
>> Ted Killian     KILLINFO@aol.com
>> Steven Rice     srice44@yahoo.com
>> Stan Card       stanitarium@earthlink.net
>> Jon Wagner      jondrums@hotmail.com
>> Bill Walker     chillyb@cruzio.com
>> Richard Zvonar  zvonar@zvonar.com
>> Tom Heasley     TomHeasley@aol.com
>> Hans Lindauer   hans@ernieball.com



 --part1_122.8493ef5.2939224f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 14:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19511; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c179d1$af9cd020$0801a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: PDS-8000 replacement? Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:03:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C1798E.A0963500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C1798E.A0963500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need to replace my noisy-lame-signal-path PDS-8000 that I love so = much- any other loopers that can adjust time/pitch like this one? I = think the DL4 does but to be honest I can't stand the size/format of = that thing- maybe I'll have to try it anyway- but I can do a rackmount = like the 7.6- but I'm not looking for "artifacts" - just smooth loop = time change-=20 Cliff PS- Does the Repeater sound smooth (tape-like) if you slow the loop way = down? Can you slow time/pitch together or does it always try to retain = orig pitch? ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C1798E.A0963500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need to replace my noisy-lame-signal-path PDS-8000 = that I=20 love so much- any other loopers that can adjust time/pitch like this = one? I=20 think the DL4 does but to be honest I can't stand the size/format of = that thing-=20 maybe I'll have to try it anyway- but I can do a rackmount like the 7.6- = but I'm=20 not looking for "artifacts" - just smooth loop time change- =
 
Cliff
 
PS- Does the Repeater sound smooth = (tape-like) if you=20 slow the loop way down? Can you slow time/pitch together or does it = always try=20 to retain orig pitch?
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C1798E.A0963500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 15:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20816; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:31:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:31:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D080478F@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Scott's 12 string Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:21:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C179D4.4275AB40" Resent-Message-ID: <3foIOB.A.x-E.6y9B8@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C179D4.4275AB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have indeed seen said bass up close, and it's an amazing instrument - sounds great, looks great, and is no doubt a monster to play... :o) I'll stick to my (though i say so myself) rather awesome 12 string patch on my MPX-G2 - I have enough technical troubles with 6 strings! :o) ** 12-string patch won't really be the same will it?? steve you already play 6-strings, it's all the same fingerings, no? ...and I'm sure it would sound even better were you to don the sacred Fraggle Rock t-shirt - I find that my performance improves at least 34% when wearing mine. Fraggle Rock + girly-dress-type-affair means an increase of up to 57%! BTW, Scott, I still want to see pix of your old band with you all busking in drag! Come on, get those photos onto your website! And what's happening with you album-wise? we want to hear more music! ** maybe to need fasion consultant to get my shit across! stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C179D4.4275AB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Scott's 12 string

I have indeed seen said bass up close, and it's an amazin= g instrument -
sounds great, looks great, and is no doubt a monster to = play... :o) I'll
stick to my (though i say so myself) rather awesome 12 s= tring patch on my
MPX-G2 - I have enough technical troubles with 6 strings= ! :o)

** 12-string patch won't really be the same will it?? ste= ve you already play 6-strings, it's all the same fingerings, no?

...and I'm sure it would sound even better were you to do= n the sacred
Fraggle Rock t-shirt - I find that my performance improv= es at least 34% when
wearing mine. Fraggle Rock + girly-dress-type-affair mea= ns an increase of up
to 57%! BTW, Scott, I still want to see pix of your old = band with you all
busking in drag! Come on, get those photos onto your web= site! And what's
happening with you album-wise? we want to hear more musi= c!

** maybe to need  fasion consultant to get my shit a= cross!

stig



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C179D4.4275AB40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 15:51:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24470; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:15:31 -0800 From: "Jan Pek" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: swirlee@angelfire.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: worldbridger X-Sender-Ip: 152.18.39.0 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so, i have a request for yall. im looking for South American tribal music, spirit of the rainforest, grandfather drum, voice of the cloud, to South America what Farafina is to Africa... something polyrhythmic, polymetric, whatever you want to call it, building repetition. someone, give me the words! i'm moving Asheville -> NYC feeling as though i may get spit out on another world journey, and am magnetizing africa (guinea? senegal? dogon and the nommo?) and s. america (ecuador? brazil? bolivia?) for world bridging. i know i'm here to embody spirit, to bring magic to the flesh. the way of technology magic-- i've spent most of my life there, on the outside, in the crystal megahertz. so i am learning another way, the long road back to embodiment, the 'red pill', if you will. because the guides tell me the next leg of training as shaman is in the primitive, embodying spirit in dance, breath, voice, drum, trance. the animals. so where can i exist on that edge? can i place myself where i can honor and learn from the tribes without eroding their culture? how to exit the tourist conveyorbelt and become of service to these indigenous people, so that we can recognize, we are all indigenous. is there not a mystery school somewhere, teetering on that precipice where the voice is the synthesizer, the body is levity, the breath is operating system upgrade, time is echoplex, where Western magic is tenderly and appropriately introduced, built with spirit of the local land, not bulldozed like formula over tender rainforest shoots? shit, there must be. where is it? right under your nose? fuzzy and blue, yon Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 16:03:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24951; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:31:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:31:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C07EB60.7E74D219@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:29:24 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (long, long, long time) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bye george lg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 16:48:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28283; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:21:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C07F6AF.6A12CACB@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:17:49 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: worldbridger References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jan Pek wrote: (snip) > ...is there not a mystery school somewhere, teetering on that precipice where the voice is the synthesizer, the body is levity, the breath is operating system upgrade, time is echoplex, where Western magic is tenderly and appropriately introduced, built with spirit of the local land, not bulldozed like formula over tender rainforest shoots? shit, there must be. where is it? right under your nose? yes, right under your nose. seriously. :-) best, lance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 17:04:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28805; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:30:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:30:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <83.13dce41f.293952d6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:23:34 EST Subject: Re: Central Coast Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_83.13dce41f.293952d6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_83.13dce41f.293952d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/30/01 1:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, ENAT21213@aol.com writes: > where would a central coast loop fest be held? > pittsburgh of course.....:)m --part1_83.13dce41f.293952d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/30/01 1:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, ENAT21213@aol.com writes:


where would a central coast loop fest be held?


pittsburgh of course.....:)m --part1_83.13dce41f.293952d6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 17:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30530; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:46:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:46:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C07FC8E.802FFE01@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:39:24 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Central Coast Looping Festival References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SWEET! Is is too late for me to get on the bill? I'm thinking of making it a vacation type thing. Mark Jon Wagner wrote: > >OK, I've been holding out for the San Francisco Loop festival, but I > >guess we all know it's never going to happen. > > I wouldn't hold out for it, but don't say "never" just yet. There's lots of > time left in the history of man. > > >put > >me in! Do I smell a loopers roadtrip? > > > > yes. > > Jon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 17:18:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30409; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:45:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:45:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C07FC28.AC5B7C36@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:37:42 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: worldbridger References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just try not to get in Paul Simon or Peter Gabrial's way. They can get a bit testy. Mark Jan Pek wrote: > so, i have a request for yall. > > im looking for South American tribal music, spirit of the rainforest, grandfather drum, voice of the cloud, to South America what Farafina is to Africa... something polyrhythmic, polymetric, whatever you want to call it, building repetition. someone, give me the words! > > i'm moving Asheville -> NYC feeling as though i may get spit out on another world journey, and am magnetizing africa (guinea? senegal? dogon and the nommo?) and s. america (ecuador? brazil? bolivia?) for world bridging. i know i'm here to embody spirit, to bring magic to the flesh. the way of technology magic-- i've spent most of my life there, on the outside, in the crystal megahertz. > > so i am learning another way, the long road back to embodiment, the 'red pill', if you will. because the guides tell me the next leg of training as shaman is in the primitive, embodying spirit in dance, breath, voice, drum, trance. the animals. > > so where can i exist on that edge? can i place myself where i can honor and learn from the tribes without eroding their culture? how to exit the tourist conveyorbelt and become of service to these indigenous people, so that we can recognize, we are all indigenous. is there not a mystery school somewhere, teetering on that precipice where the voice is the synthesizer, the body is levity, the breath is operating system upgrade, time is echoplex, where Western magic is tenderly and appropriately introduced, built with spirit of the local land, not bulldozed like formula over tender rainforest shoots? shit, there must be. where is it? right under your nose? > > fuzzy and blue, > yon > > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! > http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 19:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06642; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c179f9$14f4f520$53944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: , Subject: Re: worldbridger Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:45:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Jan Pek wrote: > . . . so that we can recognize, we are all indigenous > >> ...is there not a mystery school somewhere, teetering on that precipice where the voice is the synthesizer, the body is levity, the breath is operating system upgrade, time is echoplex, where Western magic is tenderly and appropriately introduced, built with spirit of the local land, not bulldozed like formula over tender rainforest shoots? shit, there must be. where is it? right under your nose? Lance Glover replied: >yes, >right under your nose. seriously. :-) So true. Both statements: "we are all indigenous" and "right under your nose. seriously." And Jan definitely gets my vote for Poet Laureate of Looping! (with Matthias running a very close second) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 20:09:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10414; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:44:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C08263B.921089B3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:37:14 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: heavy string instruments References: <00f301c179ae$d64c9ca0$4a0c5cd1@-> <001d01c179b1$02e66370$1b86893e@simes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I put my bass on one of these. Really good for your shoulder. http://store.yahoo.com/apollosaxes/gracstanupho.html Mark Sottilaro "There is no spoon." Simon Kean wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Fox" > > > >Maybe I should invest in one and start a band with me on 12 string bass, > > drummer with a double-kick setup and a guitar >player with a 6/12 string > Jimmy > > Page doubleneck. Not to be excessive or anything... > > > > I wish you and your back all the best. > > :-) > > Regards to your chiropractor, > > Oh god, I already "drop" my left shoulder when I walk as a result of jumping > around with P-Basses and assorted 5-strings for the last 15 years or so, let > alone upping the ante. > > Maybe I could get a chiropractic endorsment deal. > > Simon Kean > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Shallow End Swimming (Post-Rock) - http://mp3.com/shallowendswimming > Ulcerate (Alternative/Industrial) - http://mp3.com/ulcerate From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 20:20:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11126; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:55:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:55:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:48:34 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: worldbridger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01bd01c17a01$e7e86e50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004401c179f9$14f4f520$53944e0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > And Jan definitely gets my vote for Poet Laureate of Looping! (with > Matthias running a very close second) > i totally agree. but wait... competitive poetry? a new olympic event? wait! olympic philosophy! yeah! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 20:28:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12942; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C08263B.921089B3@zerocrossing.net> References: <00f301c179ae$d64c9ca0$4a0c5cd1@-> <001d01c179b1$02e66370$1b86893e@simes> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:59:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: heavy string instruments Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My bass weighs all of three pounds ... http://www.ashelec.demon.co.uk/ashbory/trans1.gif >Hey, I put my bass on one of these. Really good for your shoulder. > >> Oh god, I already "drop" my left shoulder when I walk as a result of jumping >> around with P-Basses and assorted 5-strings for the last 15 years or so, let >> alone upping the ante. >> >> Maybe I could get a chiropractic endorsment deal. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 21:14:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14547; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804797@mitorexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: worldbridger Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:34:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C17A08.40E74570" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17A08.40E74570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i totally agree. but wait... competitive poetry? a new olympic event? wait! olympic philosophy! ** sure, but can't you see it now: professional improvisational poetry. cities with lots of drunk guys with bizarrely painted faces sitting in huge stadia as their poetry squad takes on the visiting team. sixteen teams, broken into four divisions, all vying for a chance to get in the playoffs. championship banners hung high and proud. free agency, inflated salaries, anti-trust exemption from congress. stig Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17A08.40E74570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: worldbridger

i totally agree.

but wait...
competitive poetry?
a new olympic event?
wait!
olympic philosophy!

** sure, but can't you see it now: professional improvisa= tional poetry. cities with lots of drunk guys with bizarrely painted faces = sitting in huge stadia as their poetry squad takes on the visiting team. si= xteen teams, broken into four divisions, all vying for a chance to get in t= he playoffs. championship banners hung high and proud. free agency, inflate= d salaries, anti-trust exemption from congress.

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17A08.40E74570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 21:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17097; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:15:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:15:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F558325FAAED51190EF00508BBE34D0804797@mitorexch01.maritz.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:07:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: (Heading OT-ward.) RE: worldbridger Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>i totally agree. >> >>but wait... >>competitive poetry? >>a new olympic event? >>wait! >>olympic philosophy! >> >** sure, but can't you see it now: professional improvisational poetry. >cities with lots of drunk guys with bizarrely painted faces sitting in >huge stadia as their poetry squad takes on the visiting team. sixteen >teams, broken into four divisions, all vying for a chance to get in the >playoffs. championship banners hung high and proud. free agency, inflated >salaries, anti-trust exemption from congress. It all went downhill after the Designated Orator Rule. --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 30 23:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21689; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:40:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:40:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3C07ECA8.22021F42@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:31:40 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Review: Danelectro Sitar Swami & Backtalk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a coupla days/weeks ago there was some question about the dano sitar swami. we got a couple in today where i do my day job ( http://www.krazykatmusic.com ) and i think it is horrid. it's basically a distortion w/octave drop, some flange & a filter sweep. i am frankly surprised that the decision was made to market this dog, although it could be kinda cool to freak out drum loops or some such. i can't see how anyone could confuse the sound of a guitar signal passing through this thing with anything remotely like the sound of a sitar. but the backtalk is pretty hip. it has a slightly different feel than my boss rps-10, and it is also a bit different from the reverse setting i have in my line 6 dl-4. it would be super hip to connect controller pedals to the mix & repeat knobs to shift thru these as you play. i'm thinking that i might get one. **does anyone have one of those d'armond volume/tone pedals that control volume vertically & tone horizontally that they'd like to sell? it would be hip to combine these 2 devices through some silly mod! ***anyone interested in a boss rps-10? i have 2 & only need one... bobdog